Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here, something.
Speaker 2: Just because my dog.
Speaker 1: Something killed your dog.
Speaker 3: My dog.
Speaker 1: We're flying through the air over the tree.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: How it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm really confused. All
Speaker 1: I saw was my dog.
Speaker 4: Coming over the fence and he was dead.
Speaker 1: And once you hit the ground like, I didn't see
Speaker 1: any cars.
Speaker 3: All I saw was my dog coming over the fence.
Speaker 4: Sat what are you putting?
Speaker 3: We got some wonder or something crawling around out here?
Speaker 1: Did you see what it was or was it was?
Speaker 1: Standing enough. I'm out here looking through the window now
Speaker 1: and I don't see anything. I don't want to go outside, Jesus.
Speaker 2: Quice you bick.
Speaker 3: Hello, hit the boddy out here, quin, I'm out there.
Speaker 1: I thought of a.
Speaker 3: Bitch about tech forty nine. I don't know easy, am
Speaker 3: out there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm walking right. Hey.
Speaker 3: I welcome my guest to the show. It is Joey
Speaker 3: from Maryland. Welcome to the show man.
Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate you taking the time to hear me out.
Speaker 3: I'm glad to have you. You got here in a little
Speaker 3: bit of an unconventional way for the show, because the
Speaker 3: show is obviously about sitting down talking to people about
Speaker 3: their encounter stories. But we've had this thing on our
Speaker 3: website for years. We pay for it every month, and
Speaker 3: I've talked about it add nauseum on the show, trying
Speaker 3: to get people to use this function where you can
Speaker 3: just click a button, talk into your phone or your computer,
Speaker 3: your tablet, whatever the hell you're using, and just leave
Speaker 3: us a voicemail. I've absolutely loved those things. That's why
Speaker 3: I've kept it on the website all these years. We
Speaker 3: used to do it a lot on that Bigfoot podcast
Speaker 3: when Wayne and I were co hosting that show together.
Speaker 3: I would read emails from people that we got all
Speaker 3: the time about that particular show, my show, his show,
Speaker 3: and the voicemails were always one of these centralized things
Speaker 3: that I looked forward to the most. Because you can
Speaker 3: send an email to somebody and we get tons of
Speaker 3: emails every day. I get tons of messages on social media,
Speaker 3: and I respond to all of those, but there's something
Speaker 3: about hearing somebody's voice. I tell you a little inside Baseball.
Speaker 3: My day starts the same almost every day. I get
Speaker 3: up fairly early, usually an hour or so before Danny
Speaker 3: gets up, and I do my thing I have my
Speaker 3: coffee and it's my time to get ready for the workday.
Speaker 3: I get ready to go into whatever I'm going to
Speaker 3: be doing as far as production that day, interviews, editing, whatever,
Speaker 3: and I go and look on social media, see what's
Speaker 3: going on in the world. A bigfoot. Everything in my feed,
Speaker 3: all of my algorithms are all bigfoot all the time.
Speaker 3: So that's pretty much what I'm indicated with. But part
Speaker 3: of that is I go through and I breeze through
Speaker 3: the emails. That's Danny's job. I don't really get into
Speaker 3: the emails unless I need to, and we have a
Speaker 3: fly bagging system. If something needs my attention, it'll get flagged.
Speaker 3: But that particular morning, just a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 3: when you sent that voicemail, I got up, I did
Speaker 3: my morning thing, I had my coffee, and I made
Speaker 3: my way into the studio and I opened up the
Speaker 3: emails and I saw there was an email that had
Speaker 3: a voicemail attached to it. Okay, I'm going to listen
Speaker 3: to this. And I got to be honest, man, I
Speaker 3: sat here, it was probably seven thirty and I clicked
Speaker 3: your voicemail and I played it. There was a little
Speaker 3: over three and a half minutes, and I just sat
Speaker 3: here in stunned silence listening to your voicemail. And I
Speaker 3: say that because it wasn't really about an encounter. It
Speaker 3: was about this new book that I've been working on
Speaker 3: called Bigfoot Country, and I put out the first couple
Speaker 3: of chapters of that book, and most people that are
Speaker 3: listening to this right now probably heard. I think I've
Speaker 3: put out the first three or four parts of that
Speaker 3: over here. The other show that I do, backwards Bigfoot Stories,
Speaker 3: I think I'm on part six over there, so I've
Speaker 3: got a little farther ahead there. I don't like to
Speaker 3: cross post a lot of stuff on both of the
Speaker 3: shows because a lot of the listenership listens to both shows,
Speaker 3: so I try to do different things. But that book,
Speaker 3: to me, is special, so I've done it in both places,
Speaker 3: and your voicemail was specifically about that first part of
Speaker 3: that book that I put out, and I've literally been
Speaker 3: sitting on writing that book for years because I wanted
Speaker 3: to incorporate some of my personal story in the book.
Speaker 3: Because this love of bigfoot, this love of the search
Speaker 3: for the answers about this creature, started in my childhood.
Speaker 3: So I was like, how do I do that without
Speaker 3: boring people? Obviously, nobody wants to hear about my horrible
Speaker 3: childhood traumas and all the shit that I dealt with
Speaker 3: as a kid, but it, to me is a very
Speaker 3: powerful and integral part of the story. So I wrestled
Speaker 3: with how to do that and be honest because I've
Speaker 3: always prided myself on the show. I just had a
Speaker 3: conversation with a guy named Luke recently that's similar to this,
Speaker 3: even though you have your own encounters and experiences we're
Speaker 3: going to talk about later and get into. But Luke
Speaker 3: reached out a couple of weeks ago. This episode literally
Speaker 3: as we record this today, aired today on Friday, and
Speaker 3: it was just a conversation about Bigfoot. Luke reached out
Speaker 3: via email. He said, Hey, man, I've been listening to
Speaker 3: your show for years. I love what you do. I'm
Speaker 3: a huge fan of the show. I don't have any encounters.
Speaker 3: I just want to talk about Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: At the interview. It's really good too, man. It was
Speaker 1: just a conversation between two people that was a really
Speaker 1: good show.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was hoping that it would resonate as much
Speaker 3: as it did for me doing the show. As it
Speaker 3: did with Luke and I having that conversation, because I
Speaker 3: think he told one encounter that his grandmother had shared
Speaker 3: with him, and maybe some other stuff that people had
Speaker 3: shared with him, but nothing really of his own. But
Speaker 3: I thought it was so impactful just for him to
Speaker 3: reach out and say, Hey, let's have a conversation about bigfoot.
Speaker 3: I love talking about bigfoot, right, It was just a
Speaker 3: sort of an experiment for us. He didn't want to
Speaker 3: be on the show. That was not his intention. I
Speaker 3: just said, hey, can I record our conversation because I
Speaker 3: think it's a powerful way for us to connect about
Speaker 3: the subject of bigfoot. So when I heard your voicemail, man,
Speaker 3: I sat here and literally teared up in my studio
Speaker 3: because that book was and is so much a part
Speaker 3: of me, right, and to know that it impacted someone
Speaker 3: the way that it impacted you literally not only changed
Speaker 3: my day and how I saw the rest of that day,
Speaker 3: but literally, since that voicemail, I have really had to
Speaker 3: do sort of a one eighty on the way that
Speaker 3: I look at the show, because you do this in
Speaker 3: a vacuum, right. I sit in this little room in
Speaker 3: our little tiny house, and I talk to people, and
Speaker 3: I put the show together, and I put it out
Speaker 3: for people. I never really am able to connect the
Speaker 3: dots of how it impacts the people that might consume
Speaker 3: the show. I know what it does for me. I
Speaker 3: know how important and impactful every conversation I have with
Speaker 3: every person I interview is. But hearing from someone like
Speaker 3: you that it does make a difference, it does impact
Speaker 3: you on a different level. And we're talking to go
Speaker 3: out a personal level because you connected with my childhood.
Speaker 3: And for everybody who's heard that, those first couple of
Speaker 3: parts of the book, i'd say part one through three
Speaker 3: are pretty much the way that my life went. I
Speaker 3: didn't embellish there, it wasn't fictionalized. There were some things
Speaker 3: that were changed here and there in certain ways just
Speaker 3: to protect other people, so to speak. But by and large,
Speaker 3: what you hear is my childhood. It is the way
Speaker 3: that I grew up. It is my life. So I
Speaker 3: wrestled with that. But part of doing this show for
Speaker 3: me all these years has been about honesty. When I
Speaker 3: first started finding evidence, I talked about it with Luke
Speaker 3: in that episode that aired today. I sat on a
Speaker 3: lot of evidence because I know how people are going
Speaker 3: to see that I know how people are going to
Speaker 3: react to me. When I say I do this, or
Speaker 3: I found this or I experienced this. It gets looked
Speaker 3: at through a different lens because of how I'm seen
Speaker 3: as just an entertainer, as just a podcast in this realm.
Speaker 1: If I may, I'm going to have to stop you
Speaker 1: there to you are not seen as just an entertainer.
Speaker 1: You have absolutely no idea how much respect people have
Speaker 1: for you, how much further you push not only this subject,
Speaker 1: but those of us that listen to you follow you.
Speaker 1: It may sound strange, but we love not only you
Speaker 1: and the work that you're doing. You put yourself out
Speaker 1: so much in ways you don't understand that. Obviously, I
Speaker 1: don't know you, but I feel like I know you.
Speaker 1: I've been listening to you for so long following the stories.
Speaker 1: I love the podcast. I loved the Sasqutch stuff. Like
Speaker 1: I said in the voicemail, I loved you. When you
Speaker 1: opened up in that manner, I connected with you a
Speaker 1: carter percent. That was it, because then I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: you're basically talking about my childhood. I get it. It's
Speaker 1: a big, put cryptid podcast we're talking about. But you
Speaker 1: open yourself up in such a way that was just
Speaker 1: kind of put this. It was so honest that I
Speaker 1: had absolutely no recourse but to reach out to you
Speaker 1: because I grew up the same way. My dad was
Speaker 1: a jerk. I dropped out of high school to help
Speaker 1: take care of my mother because she had cancer. Listening
Speaker 1: to you, it went beyond the whole Bigfoot thing. It
Speaker 1: was like, I can actually relate to this person. We
Speaker 1: have such similar childhood. See, that's why I used to
Speaker 1: go into the woods. That's why I had my encounter,
Speaker 1: because that was my relief was to just deep and
Speaker 1: go into the woods. Again. You don't understand how you
Speaker 1: touch people buying. You're a humble person, the way you
Speaker 1: talk to people, the way you say, the things that
Speaker 1: you say, and everything else, and you're so honest and
Speaker 1: open about it that truthfully, that's why I reached out
Speaker 1: to you, and the same way that you spoke openly,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to be an open book because of who
Speaker 1: you are. I got nothing but tons of respect for you.
Speaker 3: I definitely appreciate it. Let's stop being so sappy and
Speaker 3: get to what everybody I clicked to play for, which
Speaker 3: is actually going to be hearing an encounter let's get
Speaker 3: into that. Man, you didn't think it was a big deal,
Speaker 3: but I think every encounter is huge. Whether it's you
Speaker 3: heard something, saw something, smelled something felt something, I don't care.
Speaker 3: It's all datus. Let's get into that. Why don't you
Speaker 3: take us back to where you were, what you were doing,
Speaker 3: and tell us what happened to you. All right?
Speaker 1: This is back in the mid late eighties. I was twelve,
Speaker 1: thirteen years old and almost fifty now. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I used to go into the woods all the time.
Speaker 1: It was just a creep Like that little creek a
Speaker 1: couple of blocks down from my house that I used
Speaker 1: to go hike into that were deer. I saw a
Speaker 1: bobcat that was really cool. I ran into a couple
Speaker 1: of boxes and coyotes, and it was just my thing.
Speaker 1: That was like my getaway. I used to love going
Speaker 1: through the creeks and looking for turtles and water snakes,
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, just being a little kid. In
Speaker 1: this one time, I heard a noise behind me. I
Speaker 1: want to treat like when a squirreled into the bark.
Speaker 1: So I turned around and start scanning. But it wasn't
Speaker 1: a squirrel. It was a little white I call it
Speaker 1: a monkey. People have corrected me on that because it
Speaker 1: looked like a little chimp. That's what it looked like
Speaker 1: to me. I was twelve years old, so my knowledge
Speaker 1: was obviously limited, but that's what it looked like to me.
Speaker 1: The little thing was coming down at the tree head first.
Speaker 1: Since the first time I actually spoke about it, I
Speaker 1: try to remember more about it. I know that there
Speaker 1: was a limb that it had its little arm on once.
Speaker 1: It was a left arm that was leaning on the limb,
Speaker 1: and the other one was just around the tree. We
Speaker 1: just locked eyes and we just looked at each other. Now,
Speaker 1: this little thing to me looked like a baby chimp.
Speaker 1: It was no more two feet from the top of
Speaker 1: the head to the bottom. Obviously it's got its little
Speaker 1: legs and stuff, but that was it. It was a
Speaker 1: trainy little thing. Any way I would see it. It
Speaker 1: was a big kind of primate monkey, whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call but I know that it was a bee.
Speaker 1: We just locked eyes. After we looked at each other
Speaker 1: for a minute, it went around the tree. I've said
Speaker 1: before that it went around the tree like a squirrel.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like head down and it just went around
Speaker 1: the tree.
Speaker 3: Legged squirrel.
Speaker 1: No, it actually turned and went around. So I come over.
Speaker 1: I walk out of the creek because I was waiting
Speaker 1: through the creek looking for stuff. I come out of
Speaker 1: the creek and go over to the tree, and I
Speaker 1: circle the tree looking for it, and I couldn't see
Speaker 1: it again. I don't know if there was a hole
Speaker 1: in the tree. I don't know if it made it
Speaker 1: to another tree and jumped away. Well anything, there was
Speaker 1: no feeling of anything weird. I didn't smell anything. As
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I can't even tell you that
Speaker 1: what I saw was a quote unquote Bigfoot or sasquad.
Speaker 1: I'm simply telling you what I saw. I don't know
Speaker 1: what I saw it that that's what it looked like
Speaker 1: to me. I know that it was not an albino,
Speaker 1: because the albinos have the red eyes and the pale
Speaker 1: skin and all that stuff. That little thing did not
Speaker 1: have any of those characteristics. The hair for the fur
Speaker 1: was white, but to the best of my recollection and
Speaker 1: my new this is what thirty years ago, the skin
Speaker 1: was gray, the eyes were normal, and we just looked
Speaker 1: at each other. I don't necessarily know what to make
Speaker 1: of that, because I can't tell you what it was.
Speaker 3: I went home.
Speaker 1: I told my older brother that I saw this thing,
Speaker 1: and he just looked at me and said, he probably
Speaker 1: just saw it squirrel man. I left it there. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like one of those things that it didn't threaten me.
Speaker 1: It was just something I saw. I had run into
Speaker 1: a bobcat back then. Bobcat will give you a whoop
Speaker 1: if you mess with him. I knew better to go
Speaker 1: mess with a Bobcat. I knew better than to mess
Speaker 1: with a kyo or something like that. This was just
Speaker 1: another I thought, just another animal I ran into, and
Speaker 1: I never thought that it could be anything else. I
Speaker 1: didn't understand it, but I didn't have bigfoot or cryptis
Speaker 1: in my mind at that time. It wasn't until I
Speaker 1: grew up much later in my late thirties early forties
Speaker 1: started to find out about this big crypting. People started
Speaker 1: talking about it, and then I started putting things together,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wait a minute, I've seen these things.
Speaker 1: I've heard things in the woods before. That's where I
Speaker 1: started to put two and two together, and I thought
Speaker 1: to myself, is that what I saw? Is that what
Speaker 1: it was? But again, there was no feeling of dread.
Speaker 1: I didn't see a mom or dadd or, and I
Speaker 1: just saw that little thing. And that's the only thing
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Everything else you can say you circumstantial,
Speaker 1: because it's just things that I've heard and seen. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you about how my dogs react to it.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more Sasquatch Outasy. We'll be right back
Speaker 4: after these messages.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, once I was trying to get
Speaker 1: into this, I started blasting the Sierra sounds into the
Speaker 1: back of this creek where we were at for a
Speaker 1: little bit. We had dogs. I was working with some rescues,
Speaker 1: so we had more dolls than we do now. Nothing
Speaker 1: happened for months. I'm not gonna lie to you and
Speaker 1: tell you that, oh yeah, we got tons of response.
Speaker 3: No we didn't.
Speaker 1: I blasted it, didn't blast it. Nothing happened. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, a few months later, I'm taking my dolls
Speaker 1: out because I leave very early for work. I do
Speaker 1: electrical work, so I usually i'm up by two forty
Speaker 1: two forty five in the morning, and I try to
Speaker 1: leave the house buying about three twenty. So I got
Speaker 1: to feed the dogs, get everything done, all that other
Speaker 1: stuff I take the dolls out through the back. They
Speaker 1: won't come up. They won't come off the back porch,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, let's go. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: laid for work.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't come off the back porch. Then behind me,
Speaker 1: to my I guess if I'm facing the back, to
Speaker 1: my right, I hear chimps. The sound of chimps, mate.
Speaker 1: It was an exchange between two entities, I guess I
Speaker 1: can say that went back and forth. It was very
Speaker 1: similar to the Sierra sounds at exactly like that, but
Speaker 1: it was that same kind of vocalization the world like
Speaker 1: you can tell that there's two entities there. There was
Speaker 1: an exchange. We might have heard it for ten seconds,
Speaker 1: that's it. And those dogs would not move off the
Speaker 1: back porch, so I bring them back in. I'm on
Speaker 1: my way into work and I call my brother and
Speaker 1: I tell him, hey, dude, I think I just heard
Speaker 1: two chimps, and he's sure you did, laughs at me,
Speaker 1: and I left it there. The thing about it is
Speaker 1: about a week later, we had gone to bed already
Speaker 1: and I hear and always wakes me up. So I
Speaker 1: wake up and what I hear is something like a
Speaker 1: baseball back hitting a tree because it's just going. But
Speaker 1: the thing about it is after it would hit whatever
Speaker 1: it was hitting three times. Talk to other people since
Speaker 1: then and what it mimicked. Actually, what I came to
Speaker 1: realize what it mimic is the same way that a
Speaker 1: gorilla will beat on his chest because they can do
Speaker 1: that so quickly. Again, Brian, I'm not going to tell
Speaker 1: you what it was. I'm simply telling you what I've
Speaker 1: heard and what other people have suggested. I am not
Speaker 1: telling you that there was a sasquatch there because I
Speaker 1: don't know what the heck they are. I'm only telling
Speaker 1: you what happened to me so I wake up. This
Speaker 1: is going on. I own German line, German blood or
Speaker 1: to German shepherds. They are trained in protection. Everybody knows
Speaker 1: that my dogs are very social. But you're not coming
Speaker 1: up to the house in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: to start something and not going to get a response.
Speaker 1: Even the big male I have, who his bed was
Speaker 1: always next to my bed on the floor, these dogs
Speaker 1: are laying down and if you look at them, they're
Speaker 1: basically trying to bury themselves in their bed. Ears back
Speaker 1: just completely flack, and those are not the dogs that
Speaker 1: I own. If somebody came to the door and started
Speaker 1: beating on a tree or knocking on the door, those
Speaker 1: dogs would have ripped through their floor and been down there,
Speaker 1: not heartbeat, ready to challenge whatever was doing that. I
Speaker 1: even had a dog Argentina at that time. All these
Speaker 1: dogs were buried in their beds trying to and as
Speaker 1: I sat up picked up the phone in the nightstand
Speaker 1: to try to record this, and as soon as I
Speaker 1: picked up the phone, they'd immediately stopped. I don't know
Speaker 1: how to explain this. People can believe this if they
Speaker 1: want to, or not if they don't want to. But
Speaker 1: this feeling just came over me, and all my share
Speaker 1: just all of a sudden stood up, and I felt
Speaker 1: this horrible fear that I can't explain. I have seen
Speaker 1: nothing from literally sitting up in my bed, and this
Speaker 1: feeling just overwhelmed that my shair stood up. I could
Speaker 1: sense that there was something that was so angry outside.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to explain that. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I had the phone meaningly stop when I had the
Speaker 1: phone in my hand, so I turned it off and
Speaker 1: then I see the Knox again. They sound so much
Speaker 1: further away, and I tried recording it, and I've tried
Speaker 1: to have that clarified. What's a cell phone inside a room?
Speaker 1: And by then it was far away, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: how does something move that far away so quickly? Those
Speaker 1: are things I can't explain. Again, I'm telling you truth
Speaker 1: be told, Brian. I'm not going to tell you that
Speaker 1: was a sasquatch because I never saw anything. I can
Speaker 1: only tell you what I experienced. I can only tell
Speaker 1: you how my dogs reacted to it. I don't know
Speaker 1: what was outside, but I know that it put the
Speaker 1: fear of God into me and into the dogs. And
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was.
Speaker 3: Is that the only kind of experiences that you've had
Speaker 3: like that, the wood knocking and the vocalizations outside of
Speaker 3: seeing what you saw when you were a kid.
Speaker 1: No, since then, that's all abound, all these other things.
Speaker 1: And I remember this one time that, like I told you,
Speaker 1: I lived in Maryland. There's a Tumick River that's a
Speaker 1: really damous river in our state, and I used to
Speaker 1: go fishing, like really early in the morning. I was
Speaker 1: trying to catch fishing stuff. And I remember this one
Speaker 1: morning where I pronounce and it's not like I'm not
Speaker 1: familiar with ounce, but they were on the left side
Speaker 1: and on the right side of the trail I was
Speaker 1: walking on, and they were following me. It sounded like
Speaker 1: they were following me. I didn't hear footsteps, I didn't
Speaker 1: see anything in the woods. But it was two and
Speaker 1: I was hooting back and forth as I was walking
Speaker 1: down the trail, and I won't probably half a mile
Speaker 1: to the little creek I was going to. Eventually just
Speaker 1: creeped me out that I turned around and less because
Speaker 1: I don't know any outlet follows you. But at that
Speaker 1: point I wasn't thinking anything else. It was just creepy
Speaker 1: to me. Like I said, on these things I looked
Speaker 1: back on, I never thought about bigfood sasquatch or anything
Speaker 1: like that. It was just experiences I've had in my
Speaker 1: life with those things.
Speaker 3: I want to go back to the siding of this
Speaker 3: white chimp, black thing that you saw when you were
Speaker 3: a kid, just for context, so there's no room for
Speaker 3: people to not understand what's happening here. You weren't at
Speaker 3: the zoo, and you weren't anywhere where these things would
Speaker 3: be native. Right, What state were you in when you
Speaker 3: saw this thing?
Speaker 1: I was simply a twelve year old kid. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure that there are no chimpanzees in Maryland. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure that most chimps are not white. It's simply what
Speaker 1: I saw. And people have asked me before, how was
Speaker 1: it coming down head down? I can't answer that question.
Speaker 1: I can only tell you what I saw. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was gripping with its its hands or
Speaker 1: what it was doing. I was a twelve year old
Speaker 1: little kid that didn't believe in any of this stuff,
Speaker 1: didn't know any of this stuff. So that's the only
Speaker 1: thing I can tell you is I locked eyes with
Speaker 1: this little tiny thing that to me looked like a chimp.
Speaker 1: It didn't have the conical head that they claimed the
Speaker 1: sasquantches have or anything like that. I know it was
Speaker 1: not a chimp. Chimp wouldn't survive the winters in Maryland,
Speaker 1: especially in the eighties when we still got snow and cold.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I saw, Brian, I can't tell
Speaker 1: you what it was. I'm only telling you what I saw.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it busts and that's the honest truth.
Speaker 3: And I appreciate that because it reminds me of a
Speaker 3: couple of things. I go back to Kathy Strain in
Speaker 3: Area X. I've had Kathy on, I've had Bob, her
Speaker 3: husband on. They've both seen what they consider to be
Speaker 3: baby or juvenile sasquatches that are extremely chimp like in
Speaker 3: the trees in and around Area X. Because it would
Speaker 3: make sense. Obviously, I've seen these things. I know they're real,
Speaker 3: so they exist, and if they are existing, there's more
Speaker 3: than one or two of them, because we get reports
Speaker 3: from literally all fifty states. These things have to have
Speaker 3: breeding populations. There has to be males and females. They
Speaker 3: have to breed to continue to populate the species. Everybody
Speaker 3: thinks that every bigfoot encounter is this seven to eight
Speaker 3: foot massive creature, and that's what most people see. But
Speaker 3: there are this handful of encounters yours, Kathy Strain and
Speaker 3: Bob Strain and other people have seen these very small
Speaker 3: creatures that are chimp size and jimp like in Area X.
Speaker 3: I go back to Paul Freeman's second video. I think
Speaker 3: it was nineteen ninety two, the Baby Lift video that
Speaker 3: Paul Freeman captured when he was following this line of
Speaker 3: footprints that looks like this big ass sasquatch. It's debatable,
Speaker 3: Doug Hichek has said in the enhanced version of that film,
Speaker 3: and it does look similar to a possible pregnant female
Speaker 3: walks across the trail and picks up what looks like
Speaker 3: a baby chimpanzee off of this tree and just puts
Speaker 3: it around its waist like you would, or I would
Speaker 3: a two year old toddler that we're picking up off
Speaker 3: the floor or something and holding them. It's exactly what
Speaker 3: it looks like. So I think it is incredible that
Speaker 3: you got to experience that, because although it is subjective.
Speaker 3: Obviously I wasn't there. I can't say for certain what
Speaker 3: you saw and what you didn't see. But what it
Speaker 3: sounds like you're describing to me is either you saw
Speaker 3: a chimpanzee or you saw potentially a baby sasquatch. That's
Speaker 3: what it sounds like to me. It's fascinating to me
Speaker 3: that out of all these encounter stories, and there's been
Speaker 3: tons of encounter stories, there's literally those few instances that
Speaker 3: I can say where there's been something other than now.
Speaker 3: I've heard people describe five six foot tall and they say,
Speaker 3: I think that was a juvenile, or people out in
Speaker 3: the four hundred chain Carpenter out of the four hundred
Speaker 3: is finding six seven inch foot prints that he's associated
Speaker 3: with some smaller sasquatches that he's seen in that area
Speaker 3: that are about four to five feet tall. But it's
Speaker 3: very rare for anybody to describe something that small. But
Speaker 3: it would make sense that there has to be babies,
Speaker 3: right these things are populating. If they're breeding and they're
Speaker 3: having babies, it sounds like to me that it's potentially
Speaker 3: what you saw.
Speaker 1: I won't cling to ever have seen a bit put
Speaker 1: because like I said, I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1: But the one thing that I find peculiar now as
Speaker 1: an adult specially, is the fact I circled the whole
Speaker 1: tree and I didn't see it. Again. That's always stuck
Speaker 1: in my mind. Just where did it go? Did it
Speaker 1: jump to another tree when I wasn't looking at it.
Speaker 1: Did it use the tree to hide while it jumped
Speaker 1: to another tree? That's what puzzles me. Where did it go?
Speaker 1: Because even a squirrel, if you turn enough and then
Speaker 1: you go back in the opposite direction, then you will
Speaker 1: see the squirrel. And yes, it's going to keep going
Speaker 1: around the tree. But we'll see it. This little thing
Speaker 1: went around the tree. I couldn't see it anymore. I
Speaker 1: didn't find it. Where did the little thing go?
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's a whole nother rabbit hole we
Speaker 3: could go down. Did it go through a portal? Sit
Speaker 3: somewhere on the side of the tree. I'm sure somebody
Speaker 3: out there is screaming right now. It's a portal. I've
Speaker 3: been telling you that for years. I'm just not there yet.
Speaker 3: It's interesting too that you're talking about blasting the Sierra
Speaker 3: Sounds and getting a response what seemed like a delayed
Speaker 3: response after you play these sounds. I've talked to people,
Speaker 3: and I've never thought that was a great idea. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be honest with you. I have always been fascinated
Speaker 3: with the Sierra Sounds. I have always gone back and
Speaker 3: forth on their authenticity. I've been very open and frank
Speaker 3: about that. I love Ron Morehead dearly. I have never accused,
Speaker 3: and would never accuse Ron Morehead of hoaxing anything. I
Speaker 3: don't think he's capable of it. But I've always come
Speaker 3: at that from the perspective of was it potentially him
Speaker 3: being hoaxed in that I'm not sure about these sounds,
Speaker 3: and that only changed for me after hearing them myself.
Speaker 3: I heard them in October of twenty twenty three when
Speaker 3: I was up in Radium, BC, Canada, with side standing
Speaker 3: clear as day. We heard what sounded like sierra sound
Speaker 3: samurai chatter thirty feet away from us in the woodline
Speaker 3: where we're sitting around the campfire. Very distinctive, very eerie,
Speaker 3: very creepy. And by the way, it was the same
Speaker 3: direction where we had rocks thrown at us for two
Speaker 3: nights in a row that were hitting the campers behind
Speaker 3: us as we're sitting around the fire. So the sier
Speaker 3: sounds have always been interesting to me because I've talked
Speaker 3: to other people that have had very aggressive experiences after
Speaker 3: call blasting the Sierra sounds, and I've talked to Ron
Speaker 3: about that a little bit. And Ron's thing is, look,
Speaker 3: we don't know what they mean. Right. We recorded them,
Speaker 3: we've put them out there, but we have no idea
Speaker 3: what these sounds mean. It could be a mating call,
Speaker 3: It could be some kind of a war call. It
Speaker 3: could be a very aggressive male posturing. It could be
Speaker 3: so many things. So I always caution people, especially if
Speaker 3: you're going to go out by yourself deep in the
Speaker 3: wood somewhere. I don't think it's a good idea to
Speaker 3: carry your boombox out there that you pulled out of
Speaker 3: the closet from nineteen eighty two and call blast this
Speaker 3: here sounds while you're sitting in the middle of the
Speaker 3: woods by yourself. I just want to put that disclaimer
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent agree because of the fact that you
Speaker 1: just said that we don't know if we truly believe
Speaker 1: that these things have a language. We don't know what
Speaker 1: they were saying. He could have been mocking wrong, he
Speaker 1: could have been antagonized wrong. And here we are like
Speaker 1: a bunch of fools playing its back gap into the woods.
Speaker 1: So how do we know that we don't have another
Speaker 1: dominant male say wait, what you're going to talk to
Speaker 1: me like that? Again? I have actually no idea, so
Speaker 1: I cannot tell you that it was a sassquitch. But
Speaker 1: whatever was outside of my home in the tree line,
Speaker 1: beating on trees and maybe possibly beating on its chest,
Speaker 1: it scared my dogs and it put the fear of
Speaker 1: God into me.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more sasquatch otasy well be right back.
Speaker 3: After these messages.
Speaker 1: I could sense the anger, and again I literally sitting
Speaker 1: up in my bed houn something like that have the
Speaker 1: ability to put that kind of fear into me or
Speaker 1: into my animals, who my animals are trying. I don't
Speaker 1: want people to take this one away, but literally, they
Speaker 1: are willing to give their lives for protection. I would
Speaker 1: obviously never let my dogs get hurt. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that's the kind of training they have, and they wouldn't move,
Speaker 1: and they put that kind of fear into me. So
Speaker 1: I don't think these things are necessarily just flush and blood,
Speaker 1: because if a grizzly bear showed up, my dogs should
Speaker 1: still go after it. They chase a black bear off
Speaker 1: before they chase the coyotes off before. I'm not in
Speaker 1: the most rural area, but I'm still rural enough that
Speaker 1: we do have black bears and we do have coyotes,
Speaker 1: and they have no problem dealing with They're just natural
Speaker 1: animals and they can deal with it. I couldn't dragged
Speaker 1: my dogs out that day and face whatever the heck
Speaker 1: was out there.
Speaker 3: That speaks volumes to me because I've heard so many
Speaker 3: stories like that about how dogs will respond. I do
Speaker 3: it with my own dogs. We just put one of
Speaker 3: our dogs down last month. He was sixteen. I appreciate
Speaker 3: that we have the two bigger dogs that are still here.
Speaker 3: And I do that with some of the audio that
Speaker 3: people send me. I do the dog test. I play
Speaker 3: it as loud as I can on my computer or
Speaker 3: my phone or whatever, and see how the dogs react
Speaker 3: to it. And sometimes the girls don't react at all.
Speaker 3: But when it's a really weird sound that I don't
Speaker 3: know what it is, I've gotten some really interesting responses,
Speaker 3: not necessarily fear responses, but sometimes when I'm just working
Speaker 3: on audio or something that I'm going to insert into
Speaker 3: the show, I've had the dogs come in here because
Speaker 3: they hear what I'm playing and they're giving me a dad,
Speaker 3: what are you doing? What's that noise? And it's always
Speaker 3: a good litmus test for me when people send me
Speaker 3: audio to see how the dogs respond to it, if
Speaker 3: it's something that they've heard before, maybe not heard before,
Speaker 3: or I get a different response. I love that dog
Speaker 3: litmus test. That's why I love to take the girls
Speaker 3: out when I can to go out. They obviously go
Speaker 3: out every day with me on the property here, but
Speaker 3: I travel and do these conferences and do camp outs
Speaker 3: and other things. I try to take them as much
Speaker 3: as possible because I think dogs have much more heightened
Speaker 3: senses and awareness than we do when we're in the woods.
Speaker 3: It's one of the things I love about going out
Speaker 3: with Shane Carpenter when we do the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference,
Speaker 3: which is coming up in October this year, folks, I'd
Speaker 3: love to see you guys there. We do a camp
Speaker 3: out after the conference for I think they do it
Speaker 3: for five days. I usually hang out for two or
Speaker 3: three of those days after the conference, and Shane always
Speaker 3: brings his dog out, and he's got a German Shepherd.
Speaker 3: He's always on point with everything, and he is a
Speaker 3: very good litmus test for what's going on in the woods.
Speaker 3: If we hear something weird, if he's acting weird. I'm
Speaker 3: paying more attention to the dog than I am any
Speaker 3: of the people around me, because I think that is
Speaker 3: a great way to tell if something's off in the sauce,
Speaker 3: so to speak. One last thing, I think it's appropriate
Speaker 3: since we're talking about the Sierra Sounds here. I haven't
Speaker 3: talked about this publicly anywhere, really, but I've always been
Speaker 3: a fan of the Sierra Sounds. I've always loved the
Speaker 3: Sierra Sounds. I was up at Ron's house what last
Speaker 3: year doing an interview with him, and we talked a
Speaker 3: little bit about some of the sounds that he's never released.
Speaker 3: I think he's got twelve or fourteen hours or so
Speaker 3: of the Sierra Sounds that he's never put out there publicly.
Speaker 3: I have some of those here and I've looked for
Speaker 3: Back in the seventies, there was an LP. I collect vinyl.
Speaker 3: It's one of my hobbies. We live in a four
Speaker 3: hundred square foot tiny house, and I think I've got
Speaker 3: four hundred vinyl records in and around the house, and
Speaker 3: I've looked for this album that was pressed on vinyl
Speaker 3: of the Sierra Sounds. I think there was probably fifty
Speaker 3: copies of this made back in seventy one or seventy two,
Speaker 3: and I've not been able to find one anywhere to
Speaker 3: the point I've actually I don't know if I've talked
Speaker 3: about this publicly or not, but I got scammed a
Speaker 3: couple of times on Facebook from people who claim they
Speaker 3: had it, and I sent them like a hundred bucks
Speaker 3: and I got scammed. I'll admit it, folks. I'm not perfect.
Speaker 3: That said, I have a great guy here locally that
Speaker 3: I get records from, and I saw him recently around
Speaker 3: the holidays, and I was shooting the Breeze with Brent
Speaker 3: in his store and I pulled up a picture of
Speaker 3: the album from the Sierra Sounds from the seventies, and
Speaker 3: as soon as I held my phone up, he said,
Speaker 3: good luck, dude, you'll never find one. My wife loves
Speaker 3: Bigfoot and she wants this record so bad and she's
Speaker 3: looked for it for years. You're never going to find it.
Speaker 3: So I finally got to thinking. I was like, this
Speaker 3: is probably a unicorn. I'm never going to get this
Speaker 3: original pressing of the Sierra Sounds right. But I was
Speaker 3: sitting here thinking, hey, Ron has all of the sounds.
Speaker 3: Why don't I just call Ron and see if he'll
Speaker 3: let me press a new vinyl of the Seer Sounds.
Speaker 3: Do a side of the Sierra Sounds. I think you
Speaker 3: could do twenty minutes on each side of a vinyl record.
Speaker 3: What if we did twenty minutes of unreleased Sierra Sounds
Speaker 3: that nobody's ever heard, and do like a limited release
Speaker 3: of I don't know, three hundred vinyls or so. I
Speaker 3: don't know what we'll do, so I called Run up.
Speaker 3: To my surprise, he loved the idea, so we're talking
Speaker 3: back and forth. He had some things going on. He
Speaker 3: was doing some filming with the new documentary that he's
Speaker 3: involved in, and I wanted to get through the holidays.
Speaker 3: But I'm going to circle back to Ron here in
Speaker 3: the next couple of weeks, and hopefully I'm trying to
Speaker 3: get it done. I think April eighteenth is Record Store Day.
Speaker 3: Anybody who collects vinyl knows what record store Day is.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to have that done before record store Day
Speaker 3: so we can get the new vinyl pressed with the
Speaker 3: Sierra Sounds, So if anybody's interested in that, I know
Speaker 3: everybody's not a vinyl person like me, but just a
Speaker 3: little inside baseball that I think Ron and I are
Speaker 3: going to press or new vinyl record with the Sierra
Speaker 3: Sounds and some of them, if not all of them.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if we may even do an
Speaker 3: entire album of limited release Seira Sounds that nobody's ever
Speaker 3: heard before. So there you go.
Speaker 1: That'd be so cool. I'm in I'll buy it.
Speaker 3: We're working on it. We're working on it, so hopefully
Speaker 3: that'll happen, man, I appreciate so much, a like I said,
Speaker 3: taking time to send the voicemail and let me know
Speaker 3: what you thought about the first part of the book.
Speaker 3: That kind of stuff is huge. Writing books is a
Speaker 3: labor of love. Writing books does not pay my bills.
Speaker 3: I can tell you that I wrote three books in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. I just got Bigfoot Country, the audio
Speaker 3: book done and I'm putting that out on the show,
Speaker 3: and I've got the actual book sent off to the publishers.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping it'll be out in the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: I wrote the second book to Coda's Odyssey. It's still
Speaker 3: in the process of me going back and doing some
Speaker 3: chapter rewrites because I'm not exactly happy with the story
Speaker 3: as it stands. And then I wrote another book called
Speaker 3: The Bigfoot Journals. I put that out on the show already,
Speaker 3: but I'm going to turn that into a book as well.
Speaker 3: Every time I wrote a new book, Danny rolls his
Speaker 3: eyes and say, okay, whatever, But it's my outlet. It's
Speaker 3: that escape in the Woods.
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely amazing imagination that I want to tell
Speaker 1: you that because those books are just absolutely amazing. I've enjoyed.
Speaker 1: I came on to those podcasts. What I've been able
Speaker 1: to listen to what you're putting out, you have it
Speaker 1: definitely an amazing mind. I can tell you that we
Speaker 1: definitely appreciate the content you're putting out. Man, it's fantastic.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Man, I appreciate you taking time to
Speaker 3: come on the show.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you one last question, of course, do
Speaker 1: you believe that when you're exposed to certain things. I'm
Speaker 1: going to put this that it keeps being a part
Speaker 1: of your life because I've seen something else too.
Speaker 3: Oh detail.
Speaker 1: This happened last year. I come up a lot to
Speaker 1: northeastern Maryland to help my sister out with my mom
Speaker 1: because she's got dementia. So between my wife and my kid,
Speaker 1: I cut in my weeks in half and come up
Speaker 1: Peter to help my sister too. And I was leaving
Speaker 1: because I was doing a night shift at work. I
Speaker 1: do electrical work. This was in broad daylight, three pm
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, and as I'm leaving, there's a corridor
Speaker 1: where a lot of the deer cut through, just moving
Speaker 1: about and stuff through the neighborhood and stuff. And what
Speaker 1: I saw was a very large kennine. Now, I know
Speaker 1: there's no big deal to see in a dog crossing
Speaker 1: a road. I get that. But I have been working
Speaker 1: with rescues German Shepherd rescues in particular, since I was
Speaker 1: in my early twenties, so I know what a big
Speaker 1: dog looks like. I've worked with great things, great Pyrenees,
Speaker 1: me King Corso's big dogs like that. I know what
Speaker 1: a big dog looks like. My current males one hundred pounds.
Speaker 1: Why that at a certain distance. I know how tiny
Speaker 1: key looks. And because of other reasons, I can talk
Speaker 1: to you off the air mine afterdecks, and I want
Speaker 1: to speak about that. But I went back and I
Speaker 1: measured the road twenty feet across just a two lay road,
Speaker 1: so each lane is ten feet. I did not see
Speaker 1: the head of this dog because of the turn that
Speaker 1: it was going through a turn, so I didn't see
Speaker 1: the head. It just caught my hand. I didn't see
Speaker 1: the head, So basically we're talking from the shoulders back
Speaker 1: to its rear, and the doll was taking about almost
Speaker 1: half the road. So that made me get to a
Speaker 1: point where I went home and I measured my own
Speaker 1: dog at the shoulder. He's twenty four inches from the
Speaker 1: shoulders without the neck. From the shoulders back, he's thirty inches.
Speaker 1: That's not even three feet. How does a dog take
Speaker 1: up almost ten feet of road? I don't know what
Speaker 1: I saw. I talked to other people, since you know
Speaker 1: what they told me that I saw. I don't know
Speaker 1: that is what I saw. All I can tell you
Speaker 1: is that I saw an unusually large dog. He was
Speaker 1: easily at least twice the height of my dog. And
Speaker 1: for a dog to take up that much space, now
Speaker 1: we're talking about six seven eight feet long from the
Speaker 1: shoulder to the rear. And the only reason why I
Speaker 1: think about it is because there was a person that
Speaker 1: I've heard what she saw not too far away from
Speaker 1: here about the tail. And that's what stood out, is
Speaker 1: was she tail in the way she described it? And
Speaker 1: I said, that was the same kind of tale. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I didn't see ahead, I didn't see you
Speaker 1: neck anything. I just saw a really large dog. So
Speaker 1: I wonder sometimes I don't know if I've heard you
Speaker 1: speak on this before or not. If you see something,
Speaker 1: are you mark or do these things? Having men know
Speaker 1: where I want to go with this, I guess let
Speaker 1: me put it this way why I said that, if
Speaker 1: you see one thing once, you see them again.
Speaker 3: I have talked about this a little bit. Here's what
Speaker 3: I think, and I certainly don't know any more than
Speaker 3: anybody else listening right now, but here's what I think.
Speaker 3: I think it's more of And I used to have
Speaker 3: this issue when I first started the show of interviewing
Speaker 3: people that had so many experiences, because I've always just
Speaker 3: been more interested in the bigfoot stuff. Right, somebody had
Speaker 3: a big foot encounter. We having a conversation like we
Speaker 3: are now, and you get towards the end and it's
Speaker 3: very much like this conversation, there's this other thing that
Speaker 3: I saw, and then you get into this weird thing,
Speaker 3: like this gigantic dog that you're talking about that neither
Speaker 3: of us have an explanation for. And I say to that,
Speaker 3: I think when I first started hearing stories of people
Speaker 3: that had potentially had a bigfoot encounter, and they've had
Speaker 3: a UFO encounter, and then they see a weird dog thing,
Speaker 3: and then they see a ghost maybe or these other things.
Speaker 3: And I used to shake a stick and go, I'm
Speaker 3: not sure about all that. I just want to focus
Speaker 3: on the bigfoot stuff. I would walk away from some
Speaker 3: of those conversations and say, I think that person might
Speaker 3: have been making that up right. That was embellishment. And
Speaker 3: then I started really looking at my own life. I
Speaker 3: grew up in hunted houses. I had what I believed
Speaker 3: to be a demonic experience in that house I was
Speaker 3: living in when I was twelve, where I also believe
Speaker 3: I had a Bigfoot experience. I saw UFO when I
Speaker 3: was sixteen with my mom. I've seen multiple UFOs over
Speaker 3: the course of my adult life, as recently as last
Speaker 3: year here on our property. I've heard disembodied voices. I've
Speaker 3: caught disembodied voices or EVPs during paranormal investigations. And it
Speaker 3: just hit me one day, I am that person. I
Speaker 3: am the person that I used to doubt and say,
Speaker 3: you can't have all of those experiences, just pick one,
Speaker 3: damn it. But I'm that person. I've had all these experiences,
Speaker 3: and I don't necessarily think it has anything to do
Speaker 3: with being marked, so to speak, or if you see
Speaker 3: one thing, then you're more likely to see something else
Speaker 3: because you're marked. I think it's just simply you open
Speaker 3: yourself up when you have an experience that you can
Speaker 3: explain whatever that is, whether it be an experience in
Speaker 3: a haunted house or in a haunted cemetery, or you
Speaker 3: hear an EVP or a disembodied voice, or you see
Speaker 3: a sasquatch, or you see a UFO, or you're abducted
Speaker 3: by aliens. I certainly believe many people have been taken
Speaker 3: by extraterrestrials. I think when you have one of those experiences,
Speaker 3: whatever that happens to be, whenever it happens in your life,
Speaker 3: I think it just opens you up to the fact
Speaker 3: that if that's possible, anything is possible. So you start
Speaker 3: looking for everything and you become more receptive. I think
Speaker 3: you open yourself up, even subconsciously, to be more open
Speaker 3: to those experiences. I tell people all the time when
Speaker 3: we're driving and I'm not driving somewhere, I'm kind of
Speaker 3: a control freak. The cop in me always likes to
Speaker 3: be the driver. But I will ride in a car
Speaker 3: with someone I trust. Implicitly. If I'm in a car
Speaker 3: driving with somebody, I may be having a conversation, but
Speaker 3: I'm always looking up. I'm always looking at the sky.
Speaker 3: I'm always looking at my surroundings. And I do it
Speaker 3: because I'm literally looking to see if I see a
Speaker 3: UFO and it happens. I've seen it several times. We
Speaker 3: drive to and from the Farmer's Market in Hickory, which
Speaker 3: is about forty minutes from our house. Saturdays and Wednesdays
Speaker 3: we go to the farmers market and I'm always looking
Speaker 3: at the sky, and I've seen some weird shit flying
Speaker 3: overhead that probably nobody else in and around saw because
Speaker 3: guess what nobody's doing. They're not looking up. It's like
Speaker 3: when you go out in the woods a bigfoot researcher
Speaker 3: or somebody who is into the subject of bigfoot. What
Speaker 3: are you looking for? You're looking at the ground for footprints,
Speaker 3: You're looking for tree breaks, you're listening. You're constantly aware
Speaker 3: in the woods.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back. After these messages. You go to
Speaker 3: an area where people are just out hiking or playing
Speaker 3: or doing whatever. Just sit on a bench and watch
Speaker 3: how people act in the woods. Zero people are paying
Speaker 3: attention to any of the shit that we are, So
Speaker 3: I think that is how it happens. I think that's
Speaker 3: what happens to people. You become more hypervigilant about everything
Speaker 3: because you're open to it, and that's when you see
Speaker 3: things because you're paying attention. Could anybody have came around
Speaker 3: the corner and saw this giant dog that you saw. Sure,
Speaker 3: you just happened to be in the wrong place at
Speaker 3: the wrong time or the right place at the right time,
Speaker 3: depending on how you're looking at it. And I think
Speaker 3: it's the same thing with sasquatch experiences. I think it's
Speaker 3: the same thing with UFOs. We were out looking for
Speaker 3: Bigfoot in Radium back in twenty twenty three in October,
Speaker 3: but we were looking up. We were bored. There was
Speaker 3: nothing going on. There was no vocalizations happening, there was
Speaker 3: no tree knocks, it was nothing happening. We were just
Speaker 3: three guys sitting around the fire talking. But we're all
Speaker 3: looking up at this beautiful sky above us and we're
Speaker 3: watching skyneck come across. We're watching the satellites, and then
Speaker 3: we see these UFOs that we watched for another hour,
Speaker 3: probably an hour and a half. We watched these things
Speaker 3: dance around and do this crazy stuff that they were doing.
Speaker 3: But had we not been looking up, nobody would have
Speaker 3: seen it. I think it's just that simple. That was
Speaker 3: a long ass winded way to say, I think you're
Speaker 3: the person who looks up. I know that doesn't make
Speaker 3: sense for everything, but that's the simplest way that I
Speaker 3: can put it. I think you're the person that looks up.
Speaker 3: I think you're the person that looks around, and you're
Speaker 3: open to that. And here's the other thing. I think
Speaker 3: that happens too, and it happened. I think to you,
Speaker 3: you had this experience when you were twelve. I had
Speaker 3: an experience when I was twelve. I go through life.
Speaker 3: I'm in the woods all the time, we live in
Speaker 3: the woods. Weird shit happens all the time in the woods.
Speaker 3: You just say, ah, yeah, that was a woodpecker. Oh
Speaker 3: that's this. We dismiss a lot of things that we
Speaker 3: don't understand because the alternative means so many different things. Right,
Speaker 3: If you try to explain that, people think you're crazy.
Speaker 3: If you start looking into it, you think you're crazy.
Speaker 3: So I think people just have some experiences that they
Speaker 3: don't know how to explain, and they just chalk it
Speaker 3: up to I'm just not going to talk about that,
Speaker 3: or that was a perfectly normal thing. Yeah. Most dogs
Speaker 3: are seven feet long. Yeah, most dogs are forty eight
Speaker 3: inches at the shoulder. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna go back to work, or I'm going to
Speaker 3: go make dinner or whatever. I think it's the same thing,
Speaker 3: this weird thing. And I know you've heard enough of
Speaker 3: encounter stories. If you've listened to my show long enough,
Speaker 3: you hear people talk about having an encounter and they
Speaker 3: just go back to their tent and go to sleep.
Speaker 3: Isn't that the weirdest thing in the world. You saw
Speaker 3: a big, giant, hairy monkey outside your tent and your
Speaker 3: reaction is to go to sleep. There are people that
Speaker 3: postulate and have said to me, I think it's infrasound.
Speaker 3: I think they have the ability to do that. Somehow
Speaker 3: they're doing something that makes you hired physically. I've heard
Speaker 3: that from so many people. I've never experienced that personally,
Speaker 3: but a ton of people have. But how many people
Speaker 3: have those experiences and they just go to sleep and
Speaker 3: tell themselves they were dreaming, They didn't really see what
Speaker 3: they saw before they got sleepy. I know this is
Speaker 3: a rabbit hole, this is a slippery slope, but I
Speaker 3: think that's what it boils down to. I don't think
Speaker 3: you're marked. I think that would imply some things. Some
Speaker 3: people believe that these creatures show themselves to certain people
Speaker 3: because they can read your energy. And I think on
Speaker 3: some level that is true. You're a dog person, so
Speaker 3: you totally get that dogs are all about energy. I've
Speaker 3: worked with dogs my entire life. I see people who
Speaker 3: don't know how to be around dogs or how to
Speaker 3: deal with dogs, and it drives me insane. And it's
Speaker 3: ninety eight percent of it is just your energy. It's
Speaker 3: the way you present yourself, it's the way you stand,
Speaker 3: it's the way you physically emote towards an animal. They
Speaker 3: react to that stuff, and I think these creatures are
Speaker 3: very similar. They're animals just like us. We do the
Speaker 3: same thing. How many times you walk in a room
Speaker 3: full of people, there's twenty people in there, and you
Speaker 3: immediately gravitate to one person in the room, or you
Speaker 3: immediately go to the opposite corner from one person that
Speaker 3: you don't even know. You've never met them, you've never
Speaker 3: exchanged a word with them. You just don't like them.
Speaker 3: There's a reason for that. That person is probably a psychopath.
Speaker 3: They may have people tied up in their basement. I
Speaker 3: joke about it all the time when we go out
Speaker 3: and I see somebody, I'm like, you know that dude
Speaker 3: that was over the corner. Stead, Yeah, that dude's a
Speaker 3: serial killer. Guarantee you.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. I've had my dog. Yes, he's training
Speaker 1: and protection, but he is one of the nicest, sweetest.
Speaker 1: He wants nothing but for people to pet him. And
Speaker 1: he meant this one person one time. So he just
Speaker 1: looked at him and immediately he starts growling. Just looked
Speaker 1: at him, and that just didn't deep down, I'm about
Speaker 1: the best you up and I'm like, where did that
Speaker 1: come from? As soon as he does that, then I'm
Speaker 1: thinking there's no reason for me to get to know
Speaker 1: you then, because if he doesn't trust you, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to trust you.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. Yep. If you're a dog person, you
Speaker 3: get it. If my dog doesn't like you, I'm probably
Speaker 3: not gonna like you. It's just that simple.
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