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<v Speaker 1>This is later with Lee Matthews the Lee Matthews Podcast

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<v Speaker 1>more what You Hear weekday afternoons on the Drive.

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<v Speaker 3>He was the.

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<v Speaker 2>Assistant Director for counter Intelligence at the FBI, where he

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<v Speaker 2>served twenty five years as a special agent and directed

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<v Speaker 2>all espionage investigations across the government. Frank Figliuzi is now

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<v Speaker 2>a columnist at the National Security Analyst and author of

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<v Speaker 2>the recently published Long Haul about Trucker serial Killers, had

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<v Speaker 2>him on about that a couple of weeks ago. Democrat

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<v Speaker 2>National Convention is beginning, and Frank, given the recent actions

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<v Speaker 2>of the Secret Service and FBI, there are a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of questions as to how it'll go.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the spotlight will certainly be on the Secret Service

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<v Speaker 3>for sure. I mean, they've had a colossal failure. It

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<v Speaker 3>can't happen again. They've got to get this right. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you can't have a more stark contrast between

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<v Speaker 3>an open field rally in a small town in Pennsylvania

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<v Speaker 3>and a hardened venue convention center in a major city.

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<v Speaker 3>So they'll have the convention venue under control. Where I'm

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<v Speaker 3>looking at is the softer perimeter and the protesters. So

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<v Speaker 3>here's the latest intel with regard to security in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 3>The protesters have been moved by a federal judge as

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<v Speaker 3>of yesterday or just just this week a mile away.

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<v Speaker 3>Now what am I talking about? They are expecting a

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<v Speaker 3>minimum of twenty five thousand pro Palestinian protesters. And let

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<v Speaker 3>me lay this scenario out for you. Imagine when the

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<v Speaker 3>convention starts, that hostilities begin in the Middle East with

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<v Speaker 3>Iran lobbing missiles at Israel, which is expected, and Hesbola

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<v Speaker 3>simultaneously from Lebanon lobbing missiles at Israel. US feels compelled

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<v Speaker 3>to intervene militarily. And now those twenty five thousand pro

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<v Speaker 3>Palestine and protesters on the streets of Chicago turn into

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<v Speaker 3>fifty thousand. That's a scenario we're going to be watching.

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<v Speaker 3>And then so combine that with not only an international

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<v Speaker 3>terror threat with ISIS and others, but a domestic terror

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<v Speaker 3>threat that we know can turn violent, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep hearing comparisons to nineteen sixty eight. I disagree on

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<v Speaker 2>a number of angles on that we are not in

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<v Speaker 2>a war that is wildly unpopular. We're not sending eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>to twenty one year olds to their deaths. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a president that supports one or the other, nor

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<v Speaker 2>a candidate that is at this convention supporting one or

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<v Speaker 2>the other. What are your thoughts on a repeat of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen and sixty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the police back in sixty eight were wholly unprepared

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<v Speaker 3>for what was happening and really untrained to deal with

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<v Speaker 3>what broke out. We've had the Chicago Police chief this

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<v Speaker 3>week come out publicly at a press conference and say

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<v Speaker 3>they are not going to talk tolerate rioting. They have

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<v Speaker 3>a plan to intervene quickly as soon as any violence

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<v Speaker 3>looks like it's breaking out. I'm confident we're not going

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<v Speaker 3>to have that kind of repeat of sixty eight, But

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<v Speaker 3>I would keep my eye on the issue of loan

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<v Speaker 3>actors that like Butler Pennsylvania as the young man who

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<v Speaker 3>tried to assassinate Trump. Those people are very hard to

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<v Speaker 3>guard against except to keep them far away from the venue.

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<v Speaker 3>So if the activity occurs illegally, we're going to see

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<v Speaker 3>it happen in the soft perimeter or beyond. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to watch that pro protest crowd and see if

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<v Speaker 3>they turn violent and try to breach the perimeter. And

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<v Speaker 3>then let's not forget that the FBI director has told

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<v Speaker 3>us multiple times that within the FBI's domestic terror case slope,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the race based and hate based domestic terror that

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<v Speaker 3>is most lethal. That's his quote. What do we have

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<v Speaker 3>with regard to the convention. We have a mixed race

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<v Speaker 3>person of color who is going to be the nominee

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<v Speaker 3>for a party that is not going over well with

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<v Speaker 3>some of the white supremacy, white hate based groups that

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<v Speaker 3>we're looking at.

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<v Speaker 2>Frank Figliuzi is with us. He is a security expert,

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<v Speaker 2>former Assistant director for counter intelligence at the FBI, is

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<v Speaker 2>now an author and analyst, and you may remember we

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<v Speaker 2>had him on to talk about his book recently, Long Haul,

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the security at the upcoming Democrat National Convention. Now, Frank,

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<v Speaker 2>we all witnessed what happened last week in Vienna at

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<v Speaker 2>the Taylor Swift Concerts. Those terrorists, as it turned out,

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<v Speaker 2>looked like they were cultivated within the country itself, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're starting to see some of that here in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. It's not foreign actors, it's cultivated and conditioned

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<v Speaker 2>domestic actors. Are we starting to see a bigger threat

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<v Speaker 2>from our own people than those trying to come into

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<v Speaker 2>our country and hurt us?

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<v Speaker 3>For sure? I'm seeing disturbingly the online radicalization of people.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, this applies to the left, to

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<v Speaker 3>the right, to domestic terror, to international terror. The action

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<v Speaker 3>is happening online and what we're watching is an increasing

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<v Speaker 3>speed to radicalization is what we call it. By that,

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<v Speaker 3>we mean the time it takes for a young person

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<v Speaker 3>to become radicalized from the first time they're exposed to

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<v Speaker 3>an extremist ideology, whether they're watching a cleric talk about

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<v Speaker 3>killing the Jews, for example, or they're watching beheading videos,

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<v Speaker 3>to the time they're willing to act out violently themselves

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<v Speaker 3>is increasing rapidly. So you can take a seventeen year

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<v Speaker 3>old young man who's seeking something in his life. You

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<v Speaker 3>can expose into this training, to this ideology, and literally

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<v Speaker 3>within two months they're willing to commit an act of

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<v Speaker 3>terror that happens within our own borders.

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<v Speaker 2>And as was the case in Vienna with the Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>Swift situation, they shut things down, secret service taking notes

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<v Speaker 2>on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh for sure. I mean again, the young people that

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<v Speaker 3>are not necessarily known. Thank god, the FBI actually tipped

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<v Speaker 3>off the Austrians to that. So we're doing okay here

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<v Speaker 3>from him. Yeah, it's been established that the FBI tipped

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<v Speaker 3>off the Austrians. So that's good news of course that

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<v Speaker 3>we have eyes on some of these people. But but

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<v Speaker 3>you can't get it right every single time, and the

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<v Speaker 3>bad guy only needs to get it right once. And

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<v Speaker 3>so yes, that is a concern here. So a bomb device,

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<v Speaker 3>is any kind of improvised explosive, is a biochem threat.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the good news. This event has been designated a

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<v Speaker 3>National security Special event. That means the entire toolkit of

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<v Speaker 3>the federal government, including some classified techniques that will look

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<v Speaker 3>for say a dirty bomb or some kind of improvised device,

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<v Speaker 3>that's all going to be on the ground, even in

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<v Speaker 3>the air in Chicago. And that does give me some

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<v Speaker 3>high level of confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>Frank Figliuosi, assistant director, former assistant director for counter intelligence

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<v Speaker 2>at the FBI, and the security at the Democrat National

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<v Speaker 2>Committee coming up in Chicago, and I get, what's the

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<v Speaker 2>worst case scenario?

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<v Speaker 3>You think, oh, my goodness, Well, a breach, So on

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<v Speaker 3>a general level, a breach of the actual venue site

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<v Speaker 3>is going to would obviously be horrific. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we saw that on January sixth at the Capitol. They

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<v Speaker 3>got inside. Now you can argue how they got inside,

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<v Speaker 3>but they got me breached and they got inside, that

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<v Speaker 3>would be worse. But let's talk on the international level.

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<v Speaker 3>Or anybody who has gotten their hands on some radiological

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<v Speaker 3>device and wants to detonate a small dirty bomb in

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<v Speaker 3>the crowd outside the venue that has a tremendous fear

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<v Speaker 3>factor associated with it, and that's what they'll be looking for,

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<v Speaker 3>is some kind of mass killing device outside the vent.

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<v Speaker 2>Frank Figliosi, thank you for joining us, and again his

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<v Speaker 2>book is still out by the way, Long Haul, about

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<v Speaker 2>the trucking industry and the infiltration of sex traffickers and

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<v Speaker 2>drug traffickers as well into that industry. Will thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for joining us again, thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>Having me, Thanks for listening to Later with Lee Matthews

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