WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:05.799 Meaning a light man like this man letting butterfly flapping 2 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:07.960 and win big down in the forest. Man, it gonna 3 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:11.480 cause the tree fall, letting five thousand miles away. Many 4 00:00:11.560 --> 00:00:12.160 nobody see it. 5 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:19.640 Nobody else might see. You don't need to know, man, 6 00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:22.640 like you followed another story and you got back to 7 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:25.679 fact that that's still win. Man, don't black to dag 8 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:26.239 on the panel. 9 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:28.800 Man, Now you don't don't better, man, I. 10 00:00:28.879 --> 00:00:30.719 Don't pay anyway. 11 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:39.679 All right, I'm gonna be honest. Now, Normally when I 12 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:43.640 record these monologues, I have some time, right, I have 13 00:00:43.719 --> 00:00:46.039 an idea of bouncing around in my head after the 14 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:48.759 podcast record it, maybe an hour or two later, give 15 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:51.320 myself some time to perkoly. That's not what I did. 16 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:55.799 It's Memorial Day. It's also my birthday, so we had 17 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:57.960 some people over and a lot of people over. Its 18 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:02.240 now ten pm. I normally go to bed at ten pm. 19 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:05.040 That kind of guy. So this isn't a normal monologue. 20 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:06.599 But you know what, I'll try my best. I think 21 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:08.719 I'm getting better at them at the very least. So 22 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:12.799 you know what, forgive me if you will. Lack of 23 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:15.280 preparation in habits. I put a lot of these out 24 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:19.280 at the very least productive. That's not really what I'm 25 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:21.640 here to talk about is media inside Baseball of having 26 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:24.959 a podcast that sort of stuff. This is a follow 27 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:29.760 up to the episode I did with Benjamin Michael a 28 00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:34.000 few days back talking about young men coming back to church. 29 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:38.120 I like doing these sort of alternate perspectives. I did 30 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:41.200 one recently on the election Thomas Massey, first with Carl 31 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:43.840 Dahl than with Ronald Dobson, that many of you have 32 00:01:43.959 --> 00:01:48.560 expressed your opinions about, and I appreciate those opinions, but 33 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:51.319 I think it's interesting to take multiple looks at the 34 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:55.439 same issue, because look, I have my opinions, my guests 35 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:57.879 have their opinions, and I feel like it's worth getting 36 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:02.680 multiple signs. And so this is with my good buddy Kruptos, 37 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:05.079 I haven't talked to in a long time about young 38 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:08.120 men coming back to church, and he brought up a 39 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:11.840 number of really interesting things that I hadn't even considered, 40 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:15.199 things that I know, things that I talk about often, 41 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:18.360 but it never brought to bear on this, particularly talking 42 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:20.479 about the difference between men and women, how men and 43 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:25.400 women have become two separate, antagonistic political blocks, which obviously 44 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:27.719 is not a good thing, and how that's sort of 45 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:32.840 affecting these weird dynamics as now there are congregations which 46 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:35.479 have an increasing amount of radicalized young men in them. 47 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:39.280 The genesis for this particular conversation is an article written 48 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:43.599 by Rod Dreer responding to some random woman. It's not good. 49 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:48.599 You actually will probably hear me get unusually heated drop 50 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:54.560 some game rewards about my friend Ronathan Dreyer. And by 51 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:56.439 my friend, I mean I do not like him. I 52 00:02:56.479 --> 00:03:00.439 think he's bad and writes bad articles, and you will 53 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:03.719 hear me say that in pretty explicit detail. The point 54 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:07.639 is he adopts the position that I'm seeing more and 55 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:11.439 more of, which is the conservative quote unquote older man saying, 56 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:15.560 oh this is horrible. These young men are so radicalized. 57 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:18.520 Where'd they get these ideas? He doesn't talk like that, 58 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:21.840 but in my head he does, basically saying the exact 59 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:26.280 same thing the progressive elites say, like when they're talking 60 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:29.639 about young white men, and it's incredibly short sighted, it's 61 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:33.840 incredibly stupid, and to be honest, it's only going to 62 00:03:33.879 --> 00:03:36.919 serve to radicalize these guys further because the attitude I 63 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:39.479 hear over and over and over again is. I want 64 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:43.039 to get away from it. I want something that is 65 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:48.479 untouched by it, progressivism, woke, genc, whatever term you use 66 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:52.879 for it. I want to worship in a way that 67 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:55.840 is removed from that. Right, I don't have to touch that 68 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:58.919 sort of oil slick to get through it. And for 69 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:02.960 many of these older people, they've sort of just abs absorbed. 70 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:05.520 Rather those guys are bad and there's something wrong about them. 71 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:08.439 They need to be pushed out. And if anything, the 72 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:10.879 places where they're rough, where they say things are not 73 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:12.840 really supposed to or they may take you a little 74 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:14.919 too far and maybe a little bit of cervic maybe 75 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:18.360 a little bit autistic, as we might say. That's a 76 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:22.439 real problem. It's a very deep moral issue, especially in 77 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:26.839 comparison to you know, minor things like you know, heresy, 78 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:29.199 having only fans whatever. That's all minor stuff. We don't 79 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:31.920 care about that, and it's never stated, well not I 80 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:35.839 should say never, It rarely stated that explicitly. But really 81 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:40.279 what we're seeing there is sort of cultural vestige. They've 82 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:44.000 absorbed that from wider kind of mainstream culture, and they're 83 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:47.399 bringing in to the church and placing it on the 84 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:50.720 same level of doctrine, so to speak and it's frustrating. 85 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:52.519 It's really frustrating. Now. 86 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:55.639 One of the other dynamics is that typically there are 87 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:58.560 more young women than young men in church, and as 88 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:05.360 young men have come back, it's created this weird gender dynamic. Apparently, 89 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:07.600 at least according to what you can read on the Internet. 90 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:10.959 There's some women who are unhappy about this, saying things like, oh, 91 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:13.680 these guys are icky and gross, and I wouldn't want 92 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:15.639 to date them. And there's a couple of things, which 93 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:21.000 is one these articles are stupid. They're not real arguments, right, 94 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:24.560 These things are sort of put out for public consumption 95 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:27.360 in a way like, oh, yes, I have horrible stories. 96 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:30.519 I'm just so beautiful that many men many men, and 97 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:33.920 I turn them all down. That's perfect. There's some peacocking 98 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:37.920 going on with this, and also it's the Internet. That narrative, 99 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:42.319 of course is massively boosted. But also I think we're 100 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:47.240 seeing that breakdown those two political groups classes, men and 101 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:52.040 women looking for different things. Women looking for husband or 102 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:56.079 at least looking for male attention, and guys who obviously 103 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:59.319 want that. You know, they are traditionally minded, they want 104 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:04.759 to have a family, genuinely interested in the creator or 105 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:09.079 having a relationship with God connecting to something outside of themselves. 106 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:12.360 So I always think we're seeing a mismatch there. It's 107 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:16.800 an interesting thing. And unless you ever doubt that conservatives, 108 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:19.920 and I don't literally just mean political conservatives, but people 109 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:25.680 of that bent sort of sociological niche are almost preternaturally 110 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:29.040 gifted with the ability to distract, to snatch defeat from 111 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:32.079 the jaws of victory. These people who for decades have 112 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:35.759 been wishing and hoping and waiting for young people right 113 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:38.360 to have our own youth movement, well, not like that. 114 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:41.279 I don't want those gross, icky guys who say bad things. 115 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:44.120 I don't want in cells quote unquote. And of course, 116 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:47.279 what does in cell mean in a religious context, of 117 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:49.839 conservative religious context, where you're not supposed to be having 118 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:52.959 sex outside of a very specific context. It's almost a 119 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:56.319 meaningless term. It is so clearly sort of appended on 120 00:06:56.639 --> 00:07:01.480 from wider culture. It's ridiculous. Especially ridiculous is that many 121 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:05.439 of these conservatives have made arguments prayers one, but there 122 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:08.959 are many others that these young men have listened to, 123 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:14.639 and they made these young men the horribly naive conclusion 124 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:18.319 that these arguments were sincere, that they meant them all 125 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:21.399 the way and that's not true. They only meant them 126 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:24.680 a little bit. They only meant them sixty percent of 127 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:27.560 the way there. And when someone takes their idea and says, yes, 128 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:30.800 that's true, let's do it, they lose it. They freak 129 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:33.240 out there no, no, no, no. You weren't actually supposed 130 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:37.240 to pay attention. You weren't actually supposed to read what 131 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:40.879 I said and run with You were just supposed to 132 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:45.000 use it as a sort of an opportunistic attack against 133 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:49.079 the woke. But if you actually think that woke is 134 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:51.040 enough of a problem to do something about me, And 135 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:52.839 of course when I say wof, I'm using it in 136 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:56.279 their terminology. I don't like that term when you're a problem, 137 00:07:56.639 --> 00:07:59.319 I don't think they're going to That attitude is so 138 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:03.399 self defeat. It's it's so clearly and totally obviously stupid. 139 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:06.399 It's not gonna go anywhere. But it is frustrating. It's 140 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:09.319 frustrating to see these guys flounder to try and take 141 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:11.959 cheap shots at guys who are doing what they're supposed 142 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:15.360 to do, who are trying to better themselves, trying to 143 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:20.600 index themselves to logos, to truth, to the fabric of reality, 144 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:26.600 you're doing exactly what adamized young men should do. It's absurd, 145 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:31.399 completely and totally absurd. And again, I'm not the biggest 146 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:34.399 anti feminist. I'm certainly not feminist, but it's not my beat. 147 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:36.960 You don't hear me talking about it a lot. But 148 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.720 you also see the kind of slavish devotion that many 149 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:43.879 American Christian leaders have towards women, like the concept of 150 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:45.919 women again as a political group, where they almost view 151 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:50.279 them as being like holy or sacred. And I've a 152 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:55.519 very controversial view of women that I believe that they're human. 153 00:08:56.440 --> 00:08:59.080 You know, they do bad things, sometimes they do good things, 154 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:03.440 and they're virtues and vices that the fair sex is 155 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:07.240 more inclined to than my audience. I know there are women. 156 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:09.039 There must be women that listen to this. I mean, 157 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:12.559 there's enough of you. I joked a while back that 158 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:15.360 I have no Korean listeners. Apparently I do. I have one, 159 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:18.399 at least one who sent me a message. So if 160 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:20.519 you're actually don't don't do that, don't do that. I 161 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:24.440 don't care. But point is right, women are human is 162 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:27.600 a very radical position. Apparently that women can do bad 163 00:09:27.639 --> 00:09:30.759 things and women can do good things. But this sort 164 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:36.360 of conservative girl dad brain use all men as sort 165 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:42.399 of uniquely flawed, predatory and probably I'm just ready to 166 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:46.360 shoot up a school, and women as at best, at 167 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:51.320 worst only mistaken. Right, Oh, you had an only fans 168 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:54.639 you were deceived. Now you've repented, and I want to say, 169 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:57.879 right as a Christian that repentance is very important, much 170 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:00.519 in the same way that there are certainly flawed. There 171 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:04.879 certainly sins. Men are more I guess you could say 172 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:08.840 men are more prone to and those again require repentance. 173 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:14.240 But you know, it seems only fair that you know, 174 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:18.279 repentance is as repentance does that sin should be treated 175 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:21.519 relatively equally. Obviously, maybe if you have Jeffrey Dahmer coming in, 176 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:26.320 you might maybe take his word for it, but you know, 177 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:31.320 don't give them a knife. You know, you check up 178 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:34.039 on him. But when you see that double standard, when 179 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:37.639 you see one group one sex being treated with kid 180 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:40.320 clubs and the other one being being down, the other 181 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:45.600 one being constantly criticized, viewed as uniquely morally responsible and sinister, 182 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:48.840 it's like, well, that same attitude is what drove young 183 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:53.480 men away from progressive politics, what drove men away from academia. 184 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:56.519 The corporate world. But you're doing the same thing, You're 185 00:10:56.559 --> 00:11:00.240 making exactly the same mistake. And particularly for people who 186 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:05.159 criticize those institutions, it's even more deeply ironic, because, according 187 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:07.240 to their writings, I was sure that you were a dissident, 188 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:11.879 you were willing to live not by lies, you were 189 00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:16.840 willing to apparently be thrown into the goolog But we 190 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:19.840 had a little bit of social disapprobation, a little bit 191 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:22.480 of criticism, kind of a raised eyebrow, and you melt, 192 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:26.759 turn to nothing, completely and totally cock out. The question is, 193 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:29.360 of course why, And that's a question that you know 194 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:32.320 we've answered elsewhere, of course. But for those guys who 195 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:35.639 are doing something countercultural, who are doing something difficult, who 196 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.559 want something strenuous, who want something that requires something of them, 197 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:42.519 when they see a man who and it's not just one, 198 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:44.720 there are many like this. When they see men who, 199 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:47.720 out of one side of their mouth talk about their deep, 200 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:52.159 abiding commitment and on the other compromise under the smallest 201 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:56.279 amount of pressure, they're not impressed. Far from it. They 202 00:11:56.320 --> 00:12:00.720 see that weakness. And I see men my own community 203 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:05.840 online elsewhere, who were looking for elders to respect, who 204 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:09.320 are looking for men that they can model themselves after, 205 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:12.879 and they're not finding it. Certainly, there are exceptions to 206 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:16.200 that rule, many on the show, many in my personal life, 207 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:21.399 but I can see that frustration building and it's entirely reasonable. Look, 208 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:25.600 we are called to respect our elders, respect our parents, 209 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:30.240 both literal and metaphorical. But there is an incommon duty, 210 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:34.440 right sort of reciprocal one on our elders to be 211 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:37.559 worthy of respect. And that doesn't mean agreeing with me, 212 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:39.600 Like there are a great number of people I don't 213 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:41.879 agree with politically or would think that my politics are 214 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:46.440 pants shittingly retarded, but I can respect them. That's a 215 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:49.799 good man, the man who's lived his life well. And 216 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:52.039 when you don't see that, well, those guys aren't going 217 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:54.759 to stick around. They're going to go somewhere else. And 218 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:57.159 I think that's what we have seen. To what we 219 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:01.000 are seeing Church is a comedian metaphor. They has seen 220 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:05.679 many others. So how's that for a slightly hungover, so 221 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.960 off the cuff rant. Three days after I recorded the podcast, 222 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:12.120 I don't think it was too bad. A little shorter 223 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:15.559 than normal. Sorry it's past my bedtime, but let me 224 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.080 turn you over to the interview with the cryptos. But 225 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:21.960 before I do, check out our sponsors Axios Remote Fitness 226 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:24.559 and Coaching. Did it work out today? 227 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:25.799 From JD? It's great. 228 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:28.320 I'm gonna show you what look better than I ever 229 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:31.879 have a compliment from my grandma, who you know. Fair enough, 230 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:33.919 you'd probably say I looked great if I didn't. But 231 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:37.039 if you want compliments from your grandma, tell JD. I 232 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:39.720 sent you. Oh one more thing. I had a complaint 233 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:42.399 because I bumped up the price of the subscription on 234 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:45.720 subset to six dollars a month from five. I didn't 235 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:48.799 do that just to be money grubbing, although I am 236 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:52.320 money grubbing. It's because the lowest amount I could set 237 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:55.240 it to on one of the other platforms was six dollars, 238 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:58.320 and it didn't seem fair to make it five on 239 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:03.279 some and six on others. But it's not retroactive, so 240 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:04.799 if you're already paying, it doesn't matter for you. But 241 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:07.879 just going forward, it's the same everywhere now there's no gap. 242 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:11.519 Just because I feel like that's fair, that makes sense. 243 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:14.039 I mean, if it really bothers you the twelve dollars 244 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:17.279 a year, if you meet me im personals, I don't know, 245 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:19.720 I'll buy you a beer or something. Make it up 246 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:22.679 to you. I don't know, and don't let everyone do it, 247 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:26.320 but I would actually I'll honor that. How's that for 248 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:30.840 a sponsorship read? Probably not that good anyway, here's gryptos. 249 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:33.480 All right, Cryptos, welcome back to the Jay Burden Show. 250 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:35.559 How are you doing, man, I'm doing really well. Thanks 251 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:37.879 for having me on. It's it's a pleasure to be back. 252 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:41.039 And I've been a bit busy and we haven't been 253 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:44.840 texting as much lately, so you know you are posting 254 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:46.919 still continue like a lot of stuff. It's great to 255 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:49.120 see you're up to. Like what episode five twenty two, 256 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:52.960 it's crazy. So kudos to how your show has taken off. 257 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:55.960 And if I remember correctly, this is basically now what 258 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:58.000 you're doing, right, this is your full time I know 259 00:14:58.039 --> 00:14:58.360 it is. 260 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:01.440 I am a full time I'm podcaster for good or 261 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:05.559 for ill? Yeah, yeah, I mean I I put out 262 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:11.440 something in the order of like eight to fifteen hours 263 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:16.200 a week between my stuff and others, which is you know, look, 264 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:18.080 that's not forty you know, that's not working in a 265 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:18.600 coal mine. 266 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:21.960 But there's all the back room that the editing, the posting, 267 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:24.200 the answering, like it's all there's all of the stuff 268 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:26.600 of keeping up a social media presence, right. 269 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:30.320 So yeah, and as someone who is, as you found out, 270 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:35.159 not the best at scheduling or maintaining my own calendar, 271 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:37.720 I see why guys like Scott Horton, who are you know, 272 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:42.879 more established, have a secretary because I am just due 273 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:46.240 to you know, lack of ability constantly. 274 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:48.919 I will be honest too, I got busy with work, 275 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:53.639 like actual work, and I actually missed I was supposed 276 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:57.399 to go on on black Horse's channel, and I actually 277 00:15:57.399 --> 00:15:59.679 completely forgot about it and just completely missed the day. 278 00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:01.919 And I'm like, oh my word, I don't do like 279 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:03.960 that's just something not that I don't and I had 280 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:05.879 it in my book and I just got busy. And 281 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:08.399 that's the kind of thing where you almost it's nice 282 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:10.720 to have somebody who to say, you know, hey, hey, 283 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:13.440 you're you know, you're on with pH in like an hour. 284 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:14.879 Are you ready to go? And you're like, oh, yeah, 285 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:16.159 I forgot about that. 286 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:21.120 Just so yeah, so I believe me, I've been there. 287 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:25.440 Yeah, exactly. Well, And strangely enough, this is the funny 288 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:27.320 thing is I often end up here on the show 289 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:33.080 when your your scheduling drops through, and you look for 290 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:36.159 like a, hey, I need somebody to to go on 291 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:38.679 as anybody available, Like you know what, Yeah, I'm fine, 292 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:40.360 let's do another episode. 293 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:46.360 It's funny because I'm always cautious on overleaning on people 294 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:48.639 as my ringers, right, and so I have kind of 295 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:50.279 a short list. I don't want to always pull on 296 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:52.799 the same people to prospect their time and also just 297 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:54.000 to avoid redundancy. 298 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:54.840 Uh. 299 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:57.399 And I'll put it this way, guys, you can tell 300 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:00.159 a bunch of things fell through this week because in 301 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:04.920 sequence I have talked to Carl dol Ron Dobson and Cryptos, 302 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:08.200 which is basically the top three on my everyone else 303 00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:11.200 is busy, And again it's because you guys are very 304 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:14.240 fun to talk about and you have more open schedules. 305 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:17.880 Yeah, we were self employed and so we can basically 306 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:20.960 set our own schedules and that that helps a lot 307 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:23.599 when you're everybody is that. It's a lifesaver when doing 308 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:25.279 this because I can just book an appointment and they 309 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:27.680 just work myself around it, right, And that's the nice thing. 310 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:30.319 And I can always I don't have to generally cancel 311 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:33.200 unless I have a client who has a hard scheduling thing, 312 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:37.079 and then I will sometimes read book, but it's but yeah, 313 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:38.920 so for the most part, that's it's nice to be 314 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:40.480 able to sort of fill and do that, you know, 315 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:42.920 and in turn on my show, like I kind of 316 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:45.680 do the opposite. I have found myself as of late 317 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:48.960 leaning on a narrow list, in part because I mine 318 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:52.359 is not an interview show. I do conversations. And that 319 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:54.799 was what something somebody early on. They said, you know, 320 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:57.720 let the guests talk, and I'm like, well, no, I'm 321 00:17:57.720 --> 00:17:59.680 not there to interview the guest. I'm here to have 322 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:02.480 a conversation with him, which means we should be talking 323 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:06.640 about the same amount of time. And black Horse noted 324 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:08.960 for he says, he says, you tend to generally tend 325 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:11.799 to do interviews as to way to work out things 326 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:13.759 that you want to write. And I think once that 327 00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:15.960 sort of clicked with me and I find myself I 328 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:18.720 do do that. Where I'm looking on right now, a 329 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:21.519 very big piece that's up to about nine thousand words, 330 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:25.640 but I've had like three, i think three conversations sort 331 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:28.279 of dance around pieces of that that allowed me to 332 00:18:28.359 --> 00:18:32.000 kind of talk it out out loud, both on my 333 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:34.480 channel and others and that kind of helps. So that's 334 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:36.599 kind of what I do, is if I have an 335 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:38.920 interesting conversation that I want to have with somebody, that 336 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:41.680 I have them on And oftentimes I have the same 337 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:45.599 four or five people on regularly because I've been enjoying 338 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:48.039 the conversations I have with them. So that's just one 339 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:49.039 of the ways it works. 340 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:53.039 Yeah, I mean, and I technically have an interview show. 341 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:55.680 It's basically a conversation show. And since I've started doing 342 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:58.880 monologues more right, I've been kind of putting more myself 343 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:02.160 out there. But it's an interesting thing, and we are 344 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:04.720 actually here to discuss a topic not just inside baseball. 345 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:09.039 We'll get to that sooner orly, sure, but it is interesting. 346 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:12.079 This is something that you do kind of watching tape 347 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:15.079 and watching how other people do it because there are 348 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:19.079 a number of different kind of stylistic focuses people you 349 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:22.480 know people do and so you know, again just as 350 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:25.799 someone who does this professionally, it's kind of interesting. But Cryptos, 351 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:29.480 you and I are actually here to sort of record 352 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:32.559 a follow up to a discussion from I guess a 353 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:35.400 year and a half ago now on your show on 354 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:39.000 your sub stack, and it was titled something incredibly inflammatory 355 00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:42.240 like the Hitler youth are coming to church, and I like. 356 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:44.720 To do that and then down and then and then 357 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:48.039 oftentimes the content is very vanilla ish, you know what 358 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:51.519 I mean, but yeah, the shocking. I wrote an article 359 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:55.599 one time, what is it the Case for concern Coercive Christianity, 360 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:58.359 which really wasn't It's just basically an article, a long 361 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:04.000 article explaining how generally ideas float down from the top, 362 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:06.559 not from the bottom up, and that if you try 363 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:08.279 to convert people one at a time, you're never going 364 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:12.480 to get anywhere. And if you're if you have a 365 00:20:12.599 --> 00:20:16.279 group of elites who are actually devout Christians, like not 366 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:20.599 just faking it because you know it's civic religion, but 367 00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:24.200 are actually devout Christians, that works generally far better than 368 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:26.559 the other way around. And that was It's sort of 369 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:29.880 an anodyne topic, felt a nice fun title like, you know, 370 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:34.160 the Case for Course of Christianity, which is my best 371 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:38.920 doing article because who's the gentleman from gab. 372 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:41.119 Andrew Torba. 373 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:46.039 Andrew Torba caught managed to read my piece, loved it 374 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:48.759 and started flogging it like he was like he was 375 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:51.400 texting people or tweeting people online, like, you've got to 376 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:54.359 read this piece. I ignore the title, just read it. 377 00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:59.279 It's fantastic, and I'm like, oh, my word. Normally, like 378 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:02.559 my stuff is very consistent. It's just been growing consistently 379 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:04.920 over time, like I get, you know, between three and 380 00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:07.359 five thousand views, and I have yet to have an 381 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:11.480 article eclipsed ten thousand views, which is funny. But that 382 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:14.680 one got within fifty I think, I think only eight 383 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:17.759 like nine, eight hundred and seventy five or something like that. 384 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:19.440 I mean like one hundred and twenty hundred and fifty 385 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:24.119 kind of thing close to ten thousand views, which is 386 00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:27.279 was quite so that's my best performing piece, largely because 387 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:30.720 Andrew Torba flogged it for me. But again, shocking title, 388 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:34.279 not much, but you know, the content is fairly I'm 389 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:36.720 not nearly athratical, as I like to pretend I am 390 00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:38.799 sometimes my or that my wife thinks I am. 391 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:45.640 But that podcast was sort of going over then new 392 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:52.400 demographic information about the return of primarily young gen Z 393 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:56.599 men to church. For the first time in recent recorded history, 394 00:21:56.599 --> 00:21:59.559 there were more men than women in church, which is unusual. 395 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:05.319 And then also it was trending younger. It's not necessarily 396 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:09.039 that you know, more of gen Z in relation to 397 00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:12.920 previous generations is going to church, but the proportion of 398 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:16.319 those that do that attend seriously and are going to 399 00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:21.359 traditional denominations, a term that will no doubt trigger the 400 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:23.279 Catholics in the Orthodox will be nice to you. I 401 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:26.680