1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: What is up, Fellowsikos, I am Dana Valley coming at 2 00:00:08,599 --> 00:00:11,480 you with the one, the only, this certified fan tabulous 3 00:00:11,519 --> 00:00:16,000 mister Grant Hughes. The offseason look ahead train rolls onward. 4 00:00:16,039 --> 00:00:18,239 We're onto the Charlotte Hornets. As anyone can see if 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,399 they're watching on YouTube, Grant, how are you feeling about 6 00:00:21,399 --> 00:00:23,440 this team as we enter their offseason? 7 00:00:24,039 --> 00:00:27,039 Speaker 2: I feel like I should take a thirty minute pause 8 00:00:27,359 --> 00:00:32,759 to think about my answer to convey the Charlotte Hornets 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,960 level of patience, because that's the kind of team the 10 00:00:37,039 --> 00:00:38,600 Charlotte Hornets are. 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,359 Speaker 1: They're paid now under the new regime. For sure is 12 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:44,799 they've at each of the past trade deadlines. They prioritize 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,000 just getting some extra picks in there, trading away talent 14 00:00:47,119 --> 00:00:49,240 taking on this year was the use of Nurkic's money 15 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,000 last year was Grant Williams is. But they're in sort 16 00:00:52,039 --> 00:00:54,759 of a weird spot now to where I'm guessing you 17 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,960 think that they're going to remain patient, which is probably 18 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,399 the right call. But we should go through their off 19 00:00:59,479 --> 00:01:01,920 season vite here to see what they're working with, what 20 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,879 decisions they have to make. They project to be about 21 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,719 twelve million dollars under the tax This includes the tray 22 00:01:08,799 --> 00:01:11,920 Man RFA hold, which checks in at fourteen point seven million. 23 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,760 It also includes guaranteeing Joshua Kogi at seven point eight million, 24 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,079 and it of course includes the number four overall pick. 25 00:01:19,519 --> 00:01:22,519 Let's start there, just because those impact their immediate finances. 26 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:27,000 Trey Man disappeared this year like due to injury. Basically 27 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,519 are like, I don't even know what to figure out 28 00:01:29,519 --> 00:01:31,599 as fourteen point seven million? Does he even get that? 29 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,680 And if he does, is it more than one guarantee 30 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,280 year at this point after all the injuries he's dealing. 31 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 2: With, And isn't his qualifying offer like just under seven million? 32 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,640 So like, is he getting that like that? I mean 33 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:48,879 I don't maybe you're definitely he's no, So answering your question, no, 34 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,799 he will not get anything approaching that's basically like mid 35 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:52,359 level money. 36 00:01:52,359 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: He's not touching that. There's no way. 37 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: So they're gonna be working then, in all likelihood with 38 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,079 the non taxpayer mid level What do you view as 39 00:02:02,239 --> 00:02:04,079 just sort of before getting into a little bit of 40 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,560 their own decisions, what trades they would consider making, what 41 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,319 do you view as their biggest need right now? I? 42 00:02:09,319 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: I mean I think their biggest need is probably figuring 43 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,159 out if LaMelo Ball is the guy we're building around, 44 00:02:15,319 --> 00:02:18,159 or is it a player we don't even have, or 45 00:02:18,439 --> 00:02:22,039 which or is it like whatever Brandon Miller's timeline is. 46 00:02:22,199 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 3: You know, that's not that's not the question you're asking. 47 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,719 Speaker 2: But like they're far enough you know, down the standings 48 00:02:28,759 --> 00:02:32,599 and early enough in this rebuild. Uh that Like I 49 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,960 don't think you go like, well, they need a need 50 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,560 a three and D wing or they need a A. 51 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:38,879 I mean they kind of have a room rolling center 52 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:40,599 and Mark Williams, who we can talk about, but like, 53 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:42,879 I don't view them as a team that kind of 54 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,800 gets to say we need this type of player. It's 55 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:47,240 kind of like in a draft, it's like it's a 56 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,080 best player available situation. Like that's that's kind of where 57 00:02:50,199 --> 00:02:50,719 it's where. 58 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:53,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, you don't not draft Dylan Harper because 59 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,879 you have anybody on if he's still valuable for some 60 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,599 reason at number four. You don't not draft VJ. Edgecombe 61 00:02:58,599 --> 00:02:59,639 because of anybody on this. 62 00:03:00,479 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 63 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think I think that the Hornets feel 64 00:03:03,719 --> 00:03:07,280 to me like a team that's kind of I mean, 65 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,080 Ball complicates it. I'm sure we'll talk about him in 66 00:03:11,159 --> 00:03:14,479 like some hypothetical trade stuff, but like they feel like 67 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,960 a team that is kind of like hunkered down in 68 00:03:18,319 --> 00:03:20,599 like a bunker, just waiting to see like what the 69 00:03:20,599 --> 00:03:23,879 second Apron fallout is around the league. And then that's clear, 70 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,439 they're like, Okay, so here's what we should do and 71 00:03:26,479 --> 00:03:28,639 then and now we'll start, you know, because they they 72 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,560 set the timeline back two years in a row, right, 73 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,919 like with just the way they've operated trying to get 74 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,120 you know, first round assets here and there, with taking 75 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,439 on like iffy money and just being careful, which is like, 76 00:03:40,599 --> 00:03:42,759 if you're a Hornets fan, maybe this isn't super fun, 77 00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:45,080 but man, this is just a more promising tact than 78 00:03:45,479 --> 00:03:48,400 what they've been you know, operating, or what they've been 79 00:03:48,439 --> 00:03:50,960 trying to do before. So I don't know what the 80 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:52,599 needs are. I don't I don't think that's even like 81 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,199 that's not the type of question this team should be 82 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,159 asking itself, right, No. 83 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,879 Speaker 1: I think I guess if ideally, if you're looking at fit, 84 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:01,800 A lot of it will depend on you could say 85 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,280 they still kind of need a five of the future, 86 00:04:03,319 --> 00:04:06,280 depending on what's gonna happen with Mark Williams. But the 87 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,599 idea of like what Trey Man is, Like, who's the 88 00:04:08,759 --> 00:04:11,560 secondary offensive option on this team moving forward? Is Brandon 89 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,479 Miller gonna be that good to be that player? Because 90 00:04:14,479 --> 00:04:16,800 then you don't you could, you know, kind of move 91 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,040 your focus off that. Miles Bridges is like, that's not 92 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:21,519 gonna be the guy. He's certainly not gonna be the 93 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,839 guy long term, so they could still use that. They 94 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,920 do also need though, like all right, like Brandon Miller, 95 00:04:26,959 --> 00:04:28,920 we don't necessarily we still don't know what he's gonna become. 96 00:04:28,959 --> 00:04:30,720 I think you know his progress was I'll call it 97 00:04:30,759 --> 00:04:33,079 incremental based off what I saw last season before his 98 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,720 own injury. You do kind of you mentioned a three 99 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,240 and D wing like they do really need like good 100 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,839 net positive excuse me, impact wing defenders here, and like 101 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,240 Josha Kogi is fine, but he's not gonna give you 102 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:45,639 a lot on offense. And then I don't think you 103 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,240 want Brandon Miller as your most important wing defender moving forward. 104 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,519 And I was against the trade at the time. I 105 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,879 still don't understand why they did it. Josh Green ain't 106 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,079 that guy either, Grant. 107 00:04:55,439 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: Have you heard he can pass on the move? Though, 108 00:04:57,199 --> 00:04:58,639 Like maybe what they need is an. 109 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,399 Speaker 2: Uptempo offense that allows Josh Green to move more. 110 00:05:02,399 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: You need to train LaMelo to make sure that Josh 111 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,000 Green gets more of those on ball reps, is what 112 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:06,399 you're saying. 113 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:08,319 Speaker 3: No, he doesn't even need all he just needs to 114 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,600 be moving while he's passing. That's what he's good at. 115 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:11,600 That's that's where. 116 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 2: Josh Green really shines. It's been a long time since 117 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,000 I did the Josh Green bit feels good. Yeah, no, 118 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,800 I I mean what they need is a cornerstone. If 119 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,120 it's not Lamello, right, maybe that's the simplest way to 120 00:05:24,439 --> 00:05:25,079 boil it down. 121 00:05:25,079 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 3: And maybe that guy comes at number four, and maybe 122 00:05:27,439 --> 00:05:29,040 maybe you're waiting another year. I don't know. 123 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: There is pressure on them to nail this pick, and 124 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,319 it feels a little different than last year because I 125 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,680 guess Trey Johnson could sneak in here. But it feels 126 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,800 like they're just gonna take who's left over from Dylan 127 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,000 Harper vj Edgecomb, so that the decision. 128 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 3: Bay might it might be it might be Bailey. 129 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: Excuse Yea's why I meant I met Bailey or Edgecomb 130 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,720 because it just feels like those are gonna be like 131 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:52,759 the Sixers decide whoever's drafting at number three decides between 132 00:05:52,759 --> 00:05:55,120 those two and then Charlotte Takesho's ever left over. But 133 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,480 the t John's Law experience was not great, and it's 134 00:05:58,519 --> 00:06:00,279 just you can call him a rookie, but I went 135 00:06:00,319 --> 00:06:03,720 through for this specific purpose of just like, okay, like, 136 00:06:04,079 --> 00:06:06,360 who are the players in the rookie season who logged 137 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,759 over a thousand minutes had a true shooting percentage as 138 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,680 bad with a box plus minus that was he was 139 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,480 at minus five point six, So I said it at 140 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,839 minus five or worse. The list is not great. I 141 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,439 will include the three best players to come out of 142 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,079 that list so far, Jaleen Suggs, Jordan Poole, and Austin Rivers. 143 00:06:24,399 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 2: And so that's like, you know, are very different players 144 00:06:28,079 --> 00:06:29,399 than On too. 145 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: So he's high energy, so like it could be kind 146 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,920 of fun to watch him play, but there is when 147 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,800 you turn looking at some of the players that went 148 00:06:35,879 --> 00:06:38,720 after him, especially like Zach Heaty could have worked here. 149 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,639 Donovan Klingon would have made a lot of sense, especially 150 00:06:40,639 --> 00:06:43,560 when you tried to turn around and trademark Williams. Anyway, 151 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,720 not the traditional above the rim guys that maybe you 152 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,360 want next to LaMelo there's pressure on them to nail 153 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:49,839 that pick, but there's also I wonder if some of 154 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,920 the pressures off because there if you just take who's 155 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,160 ever left over out of Edgecomb or Bailey, I would 156 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:57,920 assume that you're almost off the hook regardless of what happens. 157 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: I kind of like their draft position for that reason. 158 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,279 I mean, I'm Bailey antire. Yeah, yeah, right, I just 159 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:06,319 I would like someone to make my decision for me, 160 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:07,120 is what I'm saying. 161 00:07:07,199 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 3: And that is. 162 00:07:07,759 --> 00:07:10,759 Speaker 2: Really where they're at. Although like if it's Edgecomb, I 163 00:07:10,759 --> 00:07:14,040 think it's easy. But if it is Bailey, that I've 164 00:07:14,079 --> 00:07:15,959 just you know, I don't know how much you've read 165 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:17,639 up yet. I haven't done a lot of draft prep, 166 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:23,240 but like that's a polarizing guy, you know, he's that 167 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,079 I would feel very I would feel much less comfortable 168 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,399 if it's Bailey on the board than if it were Edgecomb. 169 00:07:28,439 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: I think Edge Combs just like, yeah, you just take 170 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:30,279 that guy. 171 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: And again, having done not enough draft prep yet, but 172 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,600 I think they're in a decent position draft wise. But like, 173 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,480 oh sorry, I want to back up. They got to 174 00:07:40,519 --> 00:07:42,480 trade Mark Williams, right, Like, I mean. 175 00:07:42,959 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: Like extension eligible Mark Williams who has missed more games 176 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:47,800 than he's played in for his career. 177 00:07:47,839 --> 00:07:49,959 Speaker 2: For anyone, I just I just mean, like they did 178 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,560 trade it's just for the vibes, Like you did trade 179 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:55,839 him like and then and then you can't just have 180 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:56,680 him around. 181 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: I mean, he did play well to close the year 182 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,759 after that. Sure, my whole thing is just anything you've 183 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,800 seen from him, and the samplesize has been limited. Do 184 00:08:05,839 --> 00:08:08,600 you believe that he can be the anchor, like the 185 00:08:08,639 --> 00:08:10,800 backlying anchor of a really good defense. 186 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 2: Uh No, I think I think he Well I was 187 00:08:14,519 --> 00:08:17,160 gonna I was gonna frame it like, is he ever? 188 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,519 Speaker 3: Do you think it's likely that he'll. 189 00:08:19,279 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: Be better than the fifteenth best starting center in the 190 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,639 league or like twentieth best starting center, Like that's the 191 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,879 range he's in now, I think if you're being generous, 192 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,039 and certainly not if you're pricing in availability. So it's 193 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,399 like we in some ways Charlotte has kind of seen 194 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,559 what it needs to see, I think, and they did. 195 00:08:38,639 --> 00:08:41,360 They they traded him, they decided that he's not like 196 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,279 and then we don't want him around. 197 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: Do you know what was great about that trades that 198 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:47,399 Kyri reinforced the vision of the front office to where 199 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,360 it's like, well, we're shorting the Lakers' future long term 200 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,320 or is it twenty they were gonna twenty thirty one 201 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,120 pick and a twenty thirty swap and then Dalton connect 202 00:08:55,159 --> 00:08:56,600 shirt just that you could add some like they could 203 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,120 use some dead eye shooters around Lamelow. For sure. I 204 00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:01,720 think that that still needs to be the plan. But 205 00:09:01,759 --> 00:09:05,039 now that you've telegraphed that you don't want him, I 206 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,240 don't like you're not getting Even if the Lakers were 207 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,480 gonna trade for him, they're not giving up that package 208 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:13,559 because they already decided that they were like drunk or something, You're. 209 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 2: You're never doing better than that package. Like that was 210 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,759 a good that was a good return, Like that was 211 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:20,399 a massive, that real win. 212 00:09:20,879 --> 00:09:22,799 Speaker 1: I had to grade that trade when we all thought 213 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,399 it was gonna happen, and I destroyed the Lakers for it, 214 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,240 and I gave the Hornet. It's Mark Williams a good player. 215 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,960 I just don't headed towards his next And even if 216 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,559 even if you're the Hornets, what is the money you're 217 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,200 willing to give him to say, well, maybe he'll be 218 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,080 more valuable on an extension that is it just four 219 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:39,720 and sixty Is that too much? 220 00:09:40,039 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: I don't know that. 221 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that ups his value. That that's 222 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:44,600 the thing, Like, I just don't think there's a scenario 223 00:09:44,639 --> 00:09:47,159 where he becomes more one that offer was bonkers, and 224 00:09:47,159 --> 00:09:49,480 two like his value is not increasing as he gets 225 00:09:49,519 --> 00:09:51,799 more expensive. That's just like I don't he's not that 226 00:09:51,879 --> 00:09:54,720 caliber of player. I don't think so, yeah that I 227 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,840 don't know. So I started this by saying, like, you 228 00:09:56,919 --> 00:09:59,480 gotta trade him, but it's like, well, his value is 229 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:02,919 pretty low, oh right now relative was six months ago. 230 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: For them, Because we know what kind of timeline they're on. 231 00:10:05,399 --> 00:10:07,279 It's not the worst outcome in the world to see that, Well, 232 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,559 can he stay healthy and maybe he ups his value 233 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,639 ahead of restricted free agency before the trade deadline. There's 234 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,279 Here's here's the thing. And I don't want to go 235 00:10:15,399 --> 00:10:17,639 back to the LaMelo Ball. Well, but when you're looking 236 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,120 at this Hornets team, if you decide that LaMelo Ball 237 00:10:21,159 --> 00:10:22,840 is worth keeping around, which I think is a totally 238 00:10:22,879 --> 00:10:24,919 reasonable decision, And if I were the Hornets, I would 239 00:10:24,919 --> 00:10:27,159 not move him, especially coming off the way he finished 240 00:10:27,159 --> 00:10:31,039 the season injured and inefficient. But like, there's no make 241 00:10:31,159 --> 00:10:33,519 or break thing happening here this year. There's a lot 242 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,600 of other teams are approaching these inflection points, and the 243 00:10:36,639 --> 00:10:39,039 only way the Charlotte Hornets are there is if you think, one, 244 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,960 LaMelo Ball is not the guy, and two that he 245 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,399 can't be scaled to a situation where you found your 246 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,080 guy and you're kind of pulling his role back, and 247 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,360 then three that you think you could get a ton 248 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,679 of value for him in a trade right now, which 249 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,799 anyone who's listening to this podcast knows. I would give 250 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,480 up a lot for LaMelo Ball because I think he 251 00:10:57,519 --> 00:10:59,919 is a transcendent offensive player and if he could stay healthy, 252 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,399 there's a lot of like Steller's remorse, potential there for Charlotte. 253 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:07,120 But I don't I could say, like with some semblance 254 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,600 of certainty, he's not viewed that way like around the 255 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:10,320 league at all. 256 00:11:10,879 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: No, I was gonna add, you kind of touched on it, 257 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,240 but like four, like you, as the Hornets are just 258 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,919 you've got more information than anybody else, and you're just 259 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,039 gonna conclude that, like what everybody thought about Steph Curry 260 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,960 and his ankles is actually true about LaMelo and it's 261 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,399 you're never getting a full season. 262 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 3: I don't know how any of us outside could know that. 263 00:11:29,759 --> 00:11:32,919 Speaker 2: But maybe Charlotte knows that, and and maybe what happens 264 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,440 is you trade LaMelo and that trade gets avoided by 265 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,080 another team. That's like, nah, he's not good enough, he's 266 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,440 not healthy enough, and thin it's Mark Williams all over again, 267 00:11:40,519 --> 00:11:43,799 just on a larger scale. I agree with you mostly 268 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,639 about like there's nothing seismic that's gonna happen, and I 269 00:11:47,639 --> 00:11:50,600 think Ball still has quite a bit of value. But 270 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,200 I would say that trading Ball would be a pretty 271 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:57,919 significant like make or break is the phrase you use, 272 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,200 but like that's a turning point at least, right, Like 273 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,759 that's a pretty that's a pretty meaningful sort of reassessment 274 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,440 of where the Hornets are if you move off of him, 275 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,039 because like you've already you've already paid him his max 276 00:12:10,399 --> 00:12:13,080 or the rookie max, You've oriented the team around him 277 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,320 to some extent, and to move him would be just 278 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,360 to say, like, here comes four to five more years 279 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,279 of us building because we don't have the guy. Like 280 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:26,000 that's a big deal, even though, like you know, with him, 281 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:27,960 they got an All Star season out of him and 282 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,720 they were half decent whatever that was twenty one twenty 283 00:12:30,759 --> 00:12:33,480 two maybe when they went I forget they were in 284 00:12:33,519 --> 00:12:37,879 the play in mix, but like it hasn't been great, 285 00:12:38,159 --> 00:12:40,519 And part of that's because he's been hurt, but part 286 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,399 of that's because like the team just isn't good enough 287 00:12:42,639 --> 00:12:44,600 with him leading it in the talent they have around it. 288 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,759 So like I would think pretty hard about trading him, 289 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,960 knowing that you're really setting the clock back even farther. 290 00:12:52,919 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: That's interesting because I just what is the team that's 291 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,960 coming in with the Like if I was Orlando, Yes, 292 00:12:59,039 --> 00:13:01,120 sure they're not going to do that. We just know 293 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,480 like too much about Orlando. Houston should do it. I 294 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:05,840 don't think they would do it. And so it's just 295 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,360 like you could identify teams that maybe should give up 296 00:13:08,399 --> 00:13:10,559 the moon for Lamela, Like what it you don't be 297 00:13:10,639 --> 00:13:13,440 really interested again? Should I note? Should I make the 298 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,919 note where if you entered the we're just asking questions, p. 299 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,519 Speaker 3: Yes, I have some. I'm also prepared to ask some 300 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:19,559 questions on this front. 301 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: Would you do? Like what if Portland was just my team? 302 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,679 It's like, let's can we build something around Scoot and 303 00:13:27,799 --> 00:13:30,200 number eleven and like what else needs to be in there? 304 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,399 Speaker 3: Yep, they have some of their young players. 305 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 2: They have a trillion of them, Like I I think 306 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:39,240 Portland is a really interesting landing spot for him, and 307 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:42,559 I'm super annoyed. So my if Portland parentheses for Scoot 308 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,840 and young pieces, like so you're we're hive minded. I mean, 309 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:51,240 like you could go, what about like I mean Brooklyn, uh, 310 00:13:51,759 --> 00:13:55,000 New Orleans, you take back the de Jonte Murray contract 311 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,039 and you get some picks, maybe you can this doesn't 312 00:13:57,039 --> 00:13:58,879 the don't the Pelicans still have a Lakers pick out 313 00:13:58,919 --> 00:14:00,840 there somewhere, or they've got some from the Bucks that 314 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:02,000 you know if you you. 315 00:14:02,039 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: Want those swaps from the they control the Bucks picks 316 00:14:05,039 --> 00:14:07,799 in twenty they're the team that hasn't been twenty six 317 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:08,840 and twenty seven vs. One. 318 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: Get a hold of some of that, and and you're 319 00:14:11,159 --> 00:14:13,399 helping the Pelicans out by taking Murray's money too, So 320 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,000 you could really ask for the Moon draft asset wise, 321 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:18,919 I mean, like Utah, that's just a weird fit. 322 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: But like, I don't know how Utah would be so 323 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:21,960 much fun under it. 324 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: Any somebody they don't have anything close to like a 325 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,480 foundational player Detroit, Like how. 326 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: Fun next decade? That why insane? 327 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:32,639 Speaker 3: So there's a lot of teams that. 328 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:35,519 Speaker 2: I think that's all to say the market for LaMelo, 329 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,279 even though I kind of just bashed him as like 330 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,879 it's there, I think it's there, and it's all teams 331 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:44,120 that are mostly young and just should be very He's 332 00:14:44,159 --> 00:14:45,120 not a second draft guy. 333 00:14:45,159 --> 00:14:46,919 Speaker 3: We're way too deep for that. But it's like, what 334 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,480 if you put him on a team with a bunch. 335 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 2: Of real players, like and he stays healthy, Like, the 336 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,320 conversation could be very different about him a year from 337 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:55,159 now if that happens. 338 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: Would you do if you're Charlotte As the baseline of 339 00:14:58,759 --> 00:15:03,200 number four LaMelo and Dallas is twenty twenty seven first 340 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:04,679 and by the way, the Hornets can trade up to 341 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,679 five first round picks this year, four of their own 342 00:15:06,679 --> 00:15:09,320 plus that Dallas pick. Are you giving that up for 343 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:10,720 a Cooper flag? Oh? 344 00:15:10,759 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: You got to? I think you gotta. 345 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: Does God even get Dallas thinking? 346 00:15:15,799 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I Well, does he get him thinking? 347 00:15:19,519 --> 00:15:20,679 Getting that twenty seven. 348 00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: Numberack, you're giving up Lamello and a first round pick 349 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:26,840 top two protected first round pick on a team that 350 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:29,240 quite frankly isn't guaranteed to be good in twenty twenty, 351 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:30,919 but it has more value to Dallas than any other 352 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,399 team LaMelo in a first round pick to move up 353 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:34,519 three spots. 354 00:15:35,639 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 3: Okay, here's why this isn't happening. 355 00:15:39,559 --> 00:15:43,799 Speaker 2: I've heard it said that Dallas really cares about like 356 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:48,879 conditioning and defense and like professionalism and work ethic And 357 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,879 so you're gonna dump Luca and replace him with LaMelo 358 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,960 Ball like that that's the move. How does Nico Harrison 359 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:55,759 explain that one? 360 00:15:56,879 --> 00:15:58,639 Speaker 1: He still can't explain Luca Nachi trades. 361 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 3: I'm not running out of anything for don't explain it with. 362 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: A straight face, and it won't make sense, I guess 363 00:16:03,279 --> 00:16:04,399 is the stock answer. 364 00:16:04,799 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: Now, this is an interesting place to end to keep it, like, 365 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,120 we don't want to be the just the LaMelo Ball 366 00:16:09,159 --> 00:16:11,879 Trade podcast like every other one is. You mentioned what 367 00:16:12,039 --> 00:16:14,559 happens if you put LaMelo Ball on a team with 368 00:16:14,679 --> 00:16:16,919 serious players, and I think right now you just go 369 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,240 look at the people can criticize LaMelo Ball. There's there's 370 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,919 real criticisms to be had, the supporting cast. Even if 371 00:16:22,919 --> 00:16:24,399 you think it's been good enough, it has not been 372 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,759 available enough. And look, he's part of that. When you 373 00:16:26,759 --> 00:16:29,320 look at the catch all metrics, like his teammates just 374 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,720 grayed out in like the one to tenth percent tile 375 00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:35,759 of all the things that matter, Like in some is 376 00:16:35,759 --> 00:16:39,080 there gonna be any like when when do you finally 377 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:40,960 feel compelled to say, well, we need to be the 378 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,759 team that puts real players around him to see what 379 00:16:43,799 --> 00:16:46,879 we look like versus because that informs your timeline and 380 00:16:46,879 --> 00:16:48,840 informs what you're gonna do with LaMelo. Because we're getting 381 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:51,720 to a point where it's all right, he has three 382 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,000 is he have four years left on his rookie scale 383 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,039 including next season? He not scale the. 384 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,039 Speaker 2: Rookie he's gotten, so he's on the books for thirty 385 00:16:59,039 --> 00:17:03,679 seven point nine next season, forty forty three, forty six, 386 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,359 So he's got four full years left. 387 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: So I would say this is your last fuck around 388 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:12,319 season then, because it's you want to get you need 389 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,519 data points on what does he look like independent of 390 00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:17,680 a rebuild. And I'm not saying he's culpable in some 391 00:17:17,759 --> 00:17:20,119 of it, but you look at who was in charge beforehand, 392 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:25,000 like the Hornets weren't well run. So like as as Charlotte, 393 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,240 do you think there's any temptation to say, like, well, 394 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,079 do we need to do something to put some real 395 00:17:29,079 --> 00:17:31,000 players in here? That I don't want to say This 396 00:17:31,039 --> 00:17:33,319 isn't a two timeline approach, but it's I don't even 397 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,599 know what would be a good analog for them, but 398 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,079 like we need to get some veterans in here in 399 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:38,599 addition to developing number four. 400 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: Brandon Miller, I think, I think the issues of the 401 00:17:42,279 --> 00:17:46,079 timeline and a LaMelo trade are just are inseparable because 402 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,960 you're right, like, if you're gonna keep we want picks, 403 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,359 we want assets, we want flexibility, we want young players. 404 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,799 If you're gonna keep going that route, then you're never 405 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,039 gonna see like what LaMelo ball could do with you know, 406 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,880 serious veteran players, because you you just will not have 407 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,200 that team. And so then you like you must trade 408 00:18:04,279 --> 00:18:07,519 him if that's the plan, right, because like you won't 409 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:10,119 one like the longer this goes on, where he's just 410 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,079 surrounded by like you know, a G League roster or whatever, 411 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,160 a bunch of rookies and stuff, he's his value's not 412 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,200 going up because he's just not gonna look as good 413 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,279 if he's surrounded by inferior talent and so and if 414 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,640 if you if he is your guy, then you need 415 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,640 to fast track the time, not like go crazy, but 416 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,000 like you do need to put real players around him, so. 417 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: You can't really have it. 418 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 3: You can't have it both ways. I don't think. 419 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 2: I think and like it does seem like everything Charlotte's 420 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,240 doing is suggesting like you just should trade ball because 421 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,079 they're getting younger and cheaper and more flexible and getting 422 00:18:40,079 --> 00:18:40,920 more draft assets. 423 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,279 Speaker 3: So like, how are you like you got to pick one? 424 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:45,920 I guess is where I would land on it. 425 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: I would like to see them because I don't think 426 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,720 they're gonna trade Lamelow. I think maybe that's what Shom's 427 00:18:50,759 --> 00:18:52,079 was hinting out when he said this is gonna be 428 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:55,200 the wildless offseason he could remember. I would love to 429 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,640 see them. I think there's like defensive issues, but I 430 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,680 think like the way that they like. I think I 431 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,319 would just like to see them put more shooting around 432 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,200 the Melow. That's what I wanted, just deadI shooting. It's 433 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,799 just like if you had the opportunity to be like 434 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,720 Denver's looking to cut costs, extend the rotation, I don't 435 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,599 know if it improves it and said we'll give you 436 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,640 Michael Porter Junior for Grant Williams and Josh Green. I'm 437 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,559 probably striking that deal. If I'm Charlotte it's consolidation. Do 438 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:20,759 you need is Michael Porter Junior giving you a ton 439 00:19:20,799 --> 00:19:22,440 of What you need is two years left. But like, 440 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,079 that type of shooting around LaMelo would be super dangerous, 441 00:19:25,079 --> 00:19:26,480 and so I'd like to see them kind of stack 442 00:19:26,519 --> 00:19:29,759 the deck with more shooting, because let's not just see 443 00:19:29,759 --> 00:19:31,640 like what does LaMelo look like with real NBA players, 444 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,480 Let's optimize the offense around him to see the heights 445 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,599 to which he can carry it. Because for the most 446 00:19:36,599 --> 00:19:38,440 part this year when he was on the floor, they 447 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,640 were above average in offensive efficiency when you look at 448 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,400 who was available and who was playing alongside him, Like, 449 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,000 that's not necessarily easy to do. I don't know. I'm 450 00:19:46,039 --> 00:19:47,839 sure there's a bunch of players who could have done it, 451 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,279 But it's not like you could have just thrown Tighus 452 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,240 Jones in here and Charlotte would have done the same 453 00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:53,720 thing during LaMelo balls minutes. 454 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,839 Speaker 2: If they do something like that, can't you imagine us 455 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,599 and Charlotte wins thirty nine games in mellow has an 456 00:20:00,599 --> 00:20:03,160 All Star season? Are we just giving them a bunch 457 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,759 of shit because they're the bulls now? You know, like, 458 00:20:05,319 --> 00:20:06,960 are like you know what I mean? 459 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,519 Speaker 1: Like if they short circuited their future. So if they 460 00:20:09,599 --> 00:20:12,200 traded like picks and stuff to be like, well, let's 461 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,480 pair dematoes and a vooch and Zack LVI sure. 462 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 2: Well, I just if they literally became the bulls. I 463 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,079 just think, like, because we're deep in the playoffs, as 464 00:20:23,079 --> 00:20:28,000 we're recording this, I am constantly thinking about how there's 465 00:20:28,039 --> 00:20:30,759 just levels to this and and what we're talking about, 466 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:33,079 like let's surround LaMelo with some talent to see what 467 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:37,440 there is, like that's so far below being a competitive, 468 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,599 like real playoff team that it's almost just like, well, now, 469 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,160 I'm just like you might as well trade them and 470 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,920 just start from scratch, because like, I don't I could 471 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,319 see them becoming a play in team or maybe like 472 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,759 especially in the East, maybe they're the six or seven seed. 473 00:20:49,799 --> 00:20:52,799 But like I guess, as long as you're not sending 474 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:55,640 out first to accomplish what you're talking about, then sure, 475 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,279 but the worst thing you can do is and the 476 00:20:59,279 --> 00:21:01,519 most on brand and old school Charlotte thing you could 477 00:21:01,559 --> 00:21:03,599 do is short circuit a little bit of this patient 478 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,319 stuff and try to win forty two games, you know, 479 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,559 because you have LaMelo and you need to see what's there. 480 00:21:09,039 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: I'm just and I agree that if you're doing if 481 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:13,799 you're short circuiting things to do that, then the answer 482 00:21:13,839 --> 00:21:15,519 should be, well, then just move them, like if that's 483 00:21:15,559 --> 00:21:17,480 the alternative. But I just don't. I guess I don't 484 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,359 think it's that binary yet. I think you have another 485 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,680 year to play around with this. And just like you know, 486 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,640 so you have the non tax payer mid level, and 487 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,960 it's let's just bring in like some higher culture guys 488 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,759 where it's imagine if they just gave the non tax 489 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,319 put this flies in the face of put shooting around him. 490 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:33,240 But like magine putting Steven Adams on this team as 491 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:36,440 you're five, Like that's just like like do stuff like that, 492 00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:38,960 like go out trade for shooting signs like a high 493 00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:41,519 character guy or and someone who's actually useful with the 494 00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:43,400 mid level. And I think, look, I know they have 495 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,720 Grant Williams, I know they have Diabat on this roster. 496 00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:47,960 I know Mark Williams is technically still there. I'm like 497 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,160 kind of infatuated with, Like, no, let's try some different 498 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,039 type of stuff at the five. I don't think you 499 00:21:52,039 --> 00:21:54,200 can get nas red with the mid level. But like 500 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,400 Brook Lopez isn't a terrible fit here. Al Horford could 501 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,480 be fun if he just doesn't have mid level offers 502 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,480 and they're wily them the most money there. But like 503 00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:05,039 I think that's the pathway for them is like let's 504 00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:06,440 put more shooting on the court. I would like to 505 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,039 see them figure out like the five spot rotation with someone, 506 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,440 if not more permanent, I will say, better than Mark 507 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,759 Williams slash Grant Williams who will come back from injury 508 00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:18,079 slash Deabata that that whole nine. I'm also looking at, 509 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,559 like will anyone give you anything for Miles Bridges, Like 510 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,640 that's not someone that I feel inclined to keep around 511 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:23,759 and on them. 512 00:22:23,519 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 3: Sure, I think I would co sign what you're saying of, Like. 513 00:22:28,519 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 2: It's almost like you're asking the Horns to kind of 514 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,680 do their due diligence on like what could we actually 515 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,240 accomplish with LaMelo surrounded by like a real supporting cast. 516 00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:40,319 You probably should find that out before you make the decision. 517 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,880 I keep pushing them towards of like either move him 518 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,720 or really go for it. Like it's kind of like 519 00:22:46,079 --> 00:22:48,519 I kept talking about this season's Rockets as like they're 520 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:51,039 on a fact finding mission, like let's see what these 521 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:52,039 guys look like together. 522 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,079 Speaker 3: How good can they be? 523 00:22:53,759 --> 00:22:56,799 Speaker 2: Like Charlotte, maybe should I think I would co sign 524 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,079 that idea as long as there was like this understanding 525 00:23:01,079 --> 00:23:03,240 that we're pulling the ripcord if he gets hurt again 526 00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:05,799 and or this just doesn't work and we're really moving on. 527 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: And you know what, that's the tough part of it all, too, 528 00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:12,160 is because I would argue against moving LaMelo now because 529 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,200 I wouldn't say his values add it's nay dear, but 530 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:17,039 it's coming off like finishes the season on the shelf. 531 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,640 But you could also say, well, you know that doesn't 532 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,480 mean his trade value is gonna go up, like we've 533 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,960 how long has it been since he finished the season healthy? 534 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,599 And you could say, well, part of that is the 535 00:23:25,599 --> 00:23:29,680 situation they are in, but like we are now three years, 536 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,240 like twenty two his sophomore season was the last time 537 00:23:33,319 --> 00:23:35,000 he missed fewer than twenty games. 538 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,519 Speaker 2: Yeah that it's like, no, it's a calculated risk either way, 539 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,240 you know what I mean, Like you can bet on 540 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,839 him being better and you know, bumping up that trade 541 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,599 value or just proving to be so good that you're 542 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,799 like we're never trading him, or things could get worse 543 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,480 like that. Really, like we don't. I don't think we 544 00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:54,400 account for that like he could his value could be lower. 545 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,480 That really is true. I I like the I like 546 00:23:57,559 --> 00:24:00,599 the the like let's see what's up year kind of idea. 547 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:03,400 And it's especially you might make the playoffs right, And 548 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:03,920 I also. 549 00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: Think, by the way, and this might be where we 550 00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:08,519 would diverge it. I think he's kind of maybe not 551 00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:10,839 indispensable too, but he's important to like if you want 552 00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:13,599 to streamline the development of Brandon Miller and whoever you 553 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,200 take it number four, Having someone who could do the 554 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,599 heavy lifting on offense makes their jobs easier and allows 555 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,559 you to bring them along more slowly. Now you could say, like, 556 00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:24,720 well that's I just don't think that he's gonna uplift 557 00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:26,839 guys like that. I think he is capable of that player. 558 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,039 It just for me comes down to can we see 559 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,799 him play in sixty plus games again? 560 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 3: Right? 561 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 2: It'd be a real different conversation about him if he 562 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,880 just didn't have the injury stuff. 563 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,319 Speaker 1: Got anything else to say on this team before we 564 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:37,839 could at or are you ready to take us out of here? 565 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 2: I think that's gonna do it for Charlotte. Thanks everybody 566 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,960 for listening, for watching, Member to rate, review, subscribe. 567 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,599 Speaker 3: Gives a thumbs up on YouTube. Believe it's a comment there. 568 00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:47,799 Speaker 2: Tell your friends, tell your enemy's joining our discord links 569 00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:49,319 for that in YouTube and podcast description. 570 00:24:50,759 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 3: I think that's good man, we've banged that out. That's good. Okay. 571 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 2: Charlotte was much more interesting than I thought. Hopefully their 572 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,079 offseason is more. 573 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: We were just asking questions. 574 00:24:58,079 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 3: They're just asking questions, that's all. Don't take don't don't 575 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,519 take them to heart. We're not trying to trade. Lamia 576 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,160 shouts Frank Milo King. Apologies, Dared Allen m.