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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow sickos, I am Dampa Valley coming

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at you with this certified fantabulous mister Grant Hughes. We're

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here to talk about something we don't really do or

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haven't done in the past, as we've done probably summer

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league taways, but never anything like too deep. We kind

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of like going into the regular season with more of

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a blank slate of these guys, but no, we're gonna

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dig deep into summer league. We began with the Western Conference.

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We decided last minute. I threw it on Granted, I

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proposed it and he's willing to roll along with it.

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To kind of wrap up how we're talking about each player,

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we're gonna do start bench or G league as to

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where you would put these guys, assuming some of them

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don't have contracts yet, what would you do with them?

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That might be a fun little way. The way that

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we kind of plucked these out is every first round

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pick that suited up at any point in Summer league,

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so the California, Classic, Vegas, Salt Lake City, the whole nine,

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they will be talked about. And then for teams that

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didn't have someone who fell into that. It's kind of

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just like Okay, was there a second round prospect that

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intrigued If they didn't have one of those, like the

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Lakers guy didn't suit up, we just go to the

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undrafted guy that intrigued us the most, and we're just

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gonna talk about them. But before we talk about them,

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grant how you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm prepared to learn because you put a ton

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of work into this, and you watched more Summer league

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basketball certainly then I watch, and that most normal people

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would ever agree to watch. So I'm gonna pepper in

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questions that I have based on like pre draft evaluation

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and maybe anything I've heard or seen. But I am

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gonna come to you, I think for in addition to

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the start bench G League, which is final forever. By

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the way, if we say a guy is a G leaguer,

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his career is over. So these are gonna lock in.

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But no, I'm excited. I'm excited to pick your brain

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a little bit on especially some of these guys, because

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Summer League, as you know, is just it can be

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a bit of a black box. Numbers mean something and

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then they don't. The context is hard to sort of

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sort of parse. So looking forward to this and excited

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to be taught all about Summer League by you.

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Speaker 3: Uh, that's a scary proposition for everybody.

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Speaker 1: It's funny I find myself getting just I think it

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is part of the nature of social media is I

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get more defensive about the things I writer say, which

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is I feel like I close the last podcast like

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erroneously yelling at a Denver Nuggets fan that wasn't even

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yelling at me. You told me in the gument So

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apologies to them again, but it's just I get so tired,

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especially after something like this. The number of tags are like, well,

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you clearly didn't watch this, and I was like, if

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I have to watch one more Possession Richard, like I'm

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gonna like grind my teeth into dust, and no offense

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to Will Richard. I just don't enjoy Summer League. But

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so the things that we look at when we're talking

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about Summer League is a lot of the efficiency and

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the actual raw numbers just get thrown out the window.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of eye test stuff.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I think are really tough

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to track is turnovers. Not tough to track, but when

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I'm talking about them, if we bring them up, it's

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because I actually think there's a problem. This wasn't just yes,

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there's always gonna be the summer League. You don't play

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with these guys normally for the most part, and then

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especially when it's like a primary playmaker trying to throw

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the ball to bigs, like the bigs at this level,

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just a lot of them have trouble catching it or

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just aren't in the right spot. And again, you're not

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in the same wavelength. So if we bring up turnovers,

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we're not you know, if someone had half their turnovers,

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was like, oh, it's not their fault. That's not what

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we're sighting when we're citing turnovers. And so that's why

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some of these guys had like games with like six turnovers.

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And I'm coming away like, man, their playmaking.

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Speaker 3: Is really good.

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Speaker 1: That's how I approach Summer League. And it's probably overly positive,

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but I think that's fine. It's like, we're just trying

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to get these general impressions in a snapshot of where

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do we think these guys are at. Are we more

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or less intrigued by them than we were when they

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were drafted?

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Speaker 2: Would would you say? And I don't want to put

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words in your mouth, but it feels like I think

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we kind of approach it the same way. Would you

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say that when you're when you're evaluating like turnovers, is

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it are they a problem type of thing? What you're

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really doing with that and with other skills or lack

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of skills is kind of trying to as best you

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can project like will this be a pro or is

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this a carrying skill? Like going forward? Like in the

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type of player that this guy ultimately becomes, like where

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does this particular issue or or positive thing sit right?

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like to that, to that turnover example, it's like if

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the big guy that's underneath can't catch the ball and

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you're the guard you're talking about has five turnovers, well

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that's not something that projects for. But if it's like,

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well he lacks strength and keeps getting stripped, like then okay,

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that's something we might worry about in a point guard

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for example, Like that is that kind of the lens

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you view it through?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of the things who is like

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I not even like I try and throw the handle

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out the window because sometimes the spacing is so poor,

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into Travis. They're not a directionality to the way they play.

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But yeah, we have like thirty names to get to.

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I feel like we do get started, and we're gonna

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we're gonna flip it. We're not gonna go alphabetically. We're

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gonna go in reverse alpha medical order, which means, excuse me,

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wrong scene.

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Speaker 2: What do we begin with? Grant, We've got the Utah

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Jazz and and I I'm just ecstatic that we're starting here. Uh.

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We have Ace Bailey as their first Uh. They also

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have Walter Clinton Junior. But I want you to talk

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to me about Ace Bailey first, one of the most

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interesting draft prospects, like full stop, just because of the

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pluses and minuses. What did you see from him on

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the good side of the ledger and on the more

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concerning side of the ledger, and just any stray thoughts

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on if you care to, like how how much does

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all the pre draft like lack of interviews and and

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any of that stuff, like did you see you can't

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really learn that much about him that way in summer League?

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Speaker 3: But I mean he played games.

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Speaker 2: I think I know that everything there is you can

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nail down his whole personality profiles. He like an e

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NTJ or like a what that the Myers Briggs thing

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tell me about a.

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Speaker 1: So he does not play like someone who did not

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want to be in Utah, which I don't think that

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anyone expects him to be. You look at what I

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was kind of impressed with, is it's cool that he

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could get off these like ultra difficult jumpers. Those are

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not going in just yet, and so like I still

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believe in his shot creation overall, but I thought he

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was at his best when he was kind of playing

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within the flow of the offense. And it's again like

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get off those off the dribble threes, those those fadeaway jumpers.

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for cuts or like hitting those corner threes, and there

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showed there as well. I think the thing that I

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was probably most impressed with was just the energy on

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defense and then specifically on the glass too, Like this

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was someone who was coming in like really trying to

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and he has really good size.

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Speaker 3: He looked bigger.

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Speaker 1: Like being exposed to him a little bit more, he

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looked bigger than like you're anticipating when you see what

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he's listed at. And so I think that he's going

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to end up being like, really valuable. There is maybe

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a second effort guy when he doesn't have the ball necessarily,

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and I was honestly expecting them to have the ball

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in his hands. Even more, when you look at what

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his profile is going to be for UTIL, you think

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moving forward, but also kind of gives me hope to

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where it's, oh, they might try to balance this, and

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I think it's I think there's there's value in saying, hey,

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here's this player like Jalen Wells with Memphis this year,

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we're gonna put the ball in his hands a ton

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in summer league to see what he could do there.

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sniff at the next time, I mean, maybe he's preparing

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for that Desmond Bane type leap.

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Speaker 3: Who knows.

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Speaker 1: So I think there was value in trying to strike

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that balance with Ace Bailey. And so when you look

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at the offensive armory again, I think the on ball

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stuff is there, The passing is gonna have to get

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better though, Like that's a thing for him, is like

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he can get some kind of just it's not tunnel vision,

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but it just that he can be very singularly focused.

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But I came away feeling better about Ace Bailey overall.

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Speaker 2: Do you think and else, I'll only say this once

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because it's going to apply to like every question I

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ask you this caveat, it's too early to say for sure,

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like just blanket that throughout every player we talk about.

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Bailey landing in Utah was they don't have a cornerstone,

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by a fair amount, that was the consensus. Maybe he

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is a cornerstone. It sounds like to me what you're

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saying is that, at least for the moment, he's got

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a lot more like supporting player skills in at least

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as far as the cutting and the defense and the

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glass stuff. Do you think did you see anything in

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summer League that made it seem likely to you that

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he is maybe the on ball like first option and

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everything's built around this guy player.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I would point to again again the sample

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size is just so terribly small, no turnovers, while getting

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a ton of on ball looks and going into the

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lane and not having right now again, he flashed some

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of them, but maybe not having a ton of counters.

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sort of this chaos. There might be lineups where there's

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great spacing in there, but the fact that he did

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feel like he was constantly playing under control. You look

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at that and say, right, like I could see that

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and some again, some of the shots you could get off,

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it's okay, Like he has the size to to get

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that off. I'm curious to see how the like, the

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more of the face up stuff, the off the dribble three.

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Speaker 3: Specifically, like what does that come to be like for him?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I like, if there was a concern that

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he wanted to be the guy so badly he wouldn't

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be able to figure figure out how to toggle between

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different modes. I and I had my concern just but

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you know, you read those reports, so that's how we're

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gonna like feel. But I came away just unconcerned about that. Like,

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I think he's gonna figure out a way to fit

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in while also standing out.

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Speaker 2: All right, slightly smaller scale, lower stakes, still an interesting player.

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Walter Clayton Junior, start bencher G League. Oh, I'm asking

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you you have.

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Speaker 3: To start him, right, like you just have.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you're the Jazz and you're not starting him,

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what are you doing that? Like? Why why not? Why

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wouldn't you?

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Speaker 3: I'm with you? Uh yeah, but so please take us

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to this next due.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Walter Clayton Junior. So do the Jazz have another

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starting point guard prospect that's gonna tantalize us and then

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maybe not quite be good enough.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's summer League, So maybe I'm just

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a literal you know, uh call them. Oh my god,

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what's wrong with me? I've watched too much Sunner League.

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Maybe a little Walter Clayton, Jude right pilled right now.

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I think like he's gonna up their entertainment factor by

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a value of infinity.

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Speaker 3: Uh, there's a I think a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of the like the people the scouts who had

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watched him in school, like, oh, you could just get

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off any type of shot, and they really just weren't.

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Speaker 3: They weren't kidding.

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Speaker 1: Like he was coming around screens, he was using escape

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and gathered dribbles, he was snaking, picking rolls, he was

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getting defenders on his back hip, dribbling into runners, attacking

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right only to kind of pivot left, and even had

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some moves after picking up his dribble.

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, I came away looking at him.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna have you know, I

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think he's gonna take a lot of bad shots because

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he thinks that he can make all of them.

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Speaker 3: So when you look at what's gonna.

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Speaker 1: Happen at the NBA like level, but man, there's also

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a plug and play to the way that he scores.

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I don't and I don't. He didn't seem like someone

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who's gonna hijack possessions either. I don't know how to

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feel about him as a playmaker just yet. I think

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it's encouraging that with the exception of like one instance,

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he didn't really have like these massive turnover issues. But

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I didn't come away thinking, oh, like, this is maybe

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someone who could lead the entire offense. At the same time, like,

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I still think Isaiah Collier is probably unless I'm misremembering

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who else is on their roster.

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Speaker 3: I think Isaiah Collier is still pretty clearly the best

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passer on this team.

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Speaker 2: Got it start bencher G League for Clinton Junior.

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Speaker 1: I think he needs to be. I mean it's like

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what Utah is doing. I think he should absolutely be

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like on the bench. I mean this is also someone

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though when you look at Isaiah Collier at Kiante George,

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if you're the Jazz Grant or you're head coach Will Hardy,

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like you're really ruling out like maybe this guy is

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kind of starting on like because you have Bryce Sensibot,

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you have a whole bunch of players. But it's not

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as cutt and dry as Peley. But it wouldn't shock

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me if by the end of the season he is starting.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean not with the way that George was

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the guy until Callier was, and then maybe Collier's the

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guy until Clayton is. So that's what it's a. It's

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a I don't think G League is in play. I

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think it's like start is actually a consideration for him

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at some point. I think during the season also.

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Speaker 1: Someone who could probably benefit just from getting if you're

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not going to give him a ton of minutes or

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on ball reps like, yeah, that could certainly help him

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by going to the G League, of course.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's move to the San Antonio Spurs.

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They've got a couple just like like Utah, one high

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lottery pick and a later pick that's also interesting for

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very different reasons. Dylan Harper number two overall, what did

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you see? What did you like most from him? And

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any any concerns on the other side.

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Speaker 3: So I the efficiency wasn't there.

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Speaker 1: I think that we could say this about everybody, but

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for someone who's dealing with a groin issue, where it

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was like, oh is he how much is he gonna play?

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Speaker 3: Is he gonna play? He was moving like.

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Speaker 1: What does he look like when he's fully healthy and

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not dealing with a groin issue? Because the way he moves,

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I was really like, the thing that's going to translate,

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And I think everyone kind of understood this. He's just

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going to get downhill, he's going to draw contact, he's

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going to get to the foul line. So if you're

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the Spurs, you're super confident in that. I thought the

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live dribble playmaking has a long way to go. But

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I also don't know how much of like some of

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that was a timing thing with his teammates, who again

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he hasn't known or played with before. But there were

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just some passes where it's kind of like, oh, like,

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why did you throw that? So like it felt like

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it was happening in slow motion and made defenses able

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to read it. But the overall control he has on

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the ball incredible. The things that stood out to me

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the defensive energy, I'll probably say that a lot with

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this guy's like he was a lot tougher.

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Speaker 3: To move on that side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: And then again, while the numbers aren't going to support this,

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when you're looking at the efficiency, his ability to move

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away from the ball and kind of understanding like the

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spots he needs to get to when it's whether in

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transition or.

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Speaker 3: In the half court.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, that's really gonna be big because what we've

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talked about is a potential concern, not you know, an

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irreversible concern. Is you have de Hearn Fox, Steph Castle,

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and Dylan Harper's. You're gonna play two of them at

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some point, but could you even get to a stage

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can you play all three of them? I think Steph

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Castle's defense and ability to guard up opens all sorts

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of opportunities up. So I came away feeling better about

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slotting him alongside one or both of them if you

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want to get really kooky with your lineups.

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Speaker 2: So that was I mean, maybe that's you can roll

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this into the start bench de league question. What did

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you see from him? If anything, that maybe gives you

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a clearer sense of where he fits skill wise, specifically

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with Fox and or Castle, Like what is he doing?

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What is he providing that they won't the Spurs won't

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get from those two guys, And maybe what does he

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not do well that either of those two guys might

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like make up for.

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Speaker 1: So I think that there's what pretty clearly I think

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he does better is you're not looking at Daron Fox

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or Steph Castle and thinking that's someone who could classify

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as a motion shooter. I think Dylan Harper could probably

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do that and do it quite well, which again, that

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helps because it allows you to move him off the ball.

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And I think think right now Darn Fox is kind

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of going to man and I mean, no surprise, Daran

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Fox been in the league for what like almost a

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decade at this point, I don't know where he's gonna

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rank between the two when it comes to his playmaking.

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I think when you look at just the live dribble

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and the handle itself, I could see him being someone

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who runs your offense. But when you're weighing him against

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Darn Fox, then also Steph Castle, it probably I guess

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you have to give the edge to Harper if he's

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the guy that defenses won't go under against or sag

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off of. But like, there's a chance that he ends

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up being like ranking three of three when it comes out.

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Let's rank these guys as passers.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I wouldn't predu. I really like him.

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Speaker 1: I'm higher on him than I am Steph Castle overall,

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who's a fantastic defender already, it feels like he'll end

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up being the more complete offensive player. But there is

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specifically two areas where I think you could look at

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Steph Castle and say, oh, he's gonna be better than

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him on defense. But is there a chance that he'll

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be a little bit better of a playmaker, Which is

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a weird thing to say when you look at Castle limitations,

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but all the like and by the way, you have

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like all three of these guys and certainly Fox and

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Harper like they all profiles, like, oh, if they get downhill,

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like they will draw fouls. Right, Like if we fast

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forward three well maybe Fox in three years on how

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old he'll be.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, what do you do with him?

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Speaker 1: I know you're asking me, but yeah, he comes off

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the bench to start, right, because you don't want to.

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I think for what he does, you like want to

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stagger him from Fox a little bit, just because both

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of them provide elements that you're most likely not going

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to get from Castle.

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Speaker 2: Right now, I think that's right, and it's all not

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the worst thing to have him out there against backups

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at least, you know, for his first half minutes for example,

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and you can really game it so that he really

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does spend most of his time, like you know, starting

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the second quarter or the fourth quarter. So I do think,

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I do think you play Fox and Castle over him.

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But as we're talking about it, it does really feel

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to me like Castle's the guy that is kind of

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in for a tough test because I agree with you

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that I think you want the ball in either Harper's

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or Fox's hands first, and that kind of puts Castle

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in an off ball roll where defenses don't take him seriously,

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and so he just has to for for all this

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to work, I think Castle either has to prove he's

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gonna make open shots or do the even harder thing,

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which is proved that he's a better on ball playmaker

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than either of the other two guards that he's vying

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for minutes against, And like that I don't see at all,

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because it's just that hasn't been his game.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he's like big enough and strong enough

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to just he'll be like, especially because you have Wemby

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as a floor space or in Cornett could technically space

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the floor and Kelly Linix on this person, like, do

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you consider just using Castle as a screen.

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Speaker 3: Or some of those two?

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Speaker 2: Like I mean implicit in that is like he's kind

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of a three, you know a lot of the time.

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So and I am. I guess he's probably big enough

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to guard up, but he will run into matchups that

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are just like I don't love him constantly on like

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a six nine two thirty small forward. You know, that's

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just that's not a good setup for him. Yeah, I

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think the Castle dynamics can be really interesting. So we're benching,

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we're benching Harper, but it's a it's a for your

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own good benching going to the G League. No, that's out,

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Carter Bryant. From what I saw, Dan, this guy can

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guard and not do a whole heck of a lot else.

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Has that been your assessment?

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Speaker 3: Ah, yeah, pretty much. We can move on. So we'll

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bring him off the bench and that'll be I will

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say he did.

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Speaker 1: I was really starting to worry about the three point shot,

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and then he went four of six in that final

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game against Charlotte, So I think he can hit those.

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And when you're gonna get like when you're getting passes

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from it'll be Harper and Castle and Fox, it should

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like the look should be higher quality NBA spacing should

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help him a ton. I don't think you need him

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to do a ton on all. Like he'll show some

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hustle on the glass too, like had some of those moments,

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So I think that's good. But when you look at

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his defense, Grant, I I don't. I'm trying to think

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of like who this summer like and played as many

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like games, by the way, because he ended up playing

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in what six summer league games, I don't know who

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maintained like in recent memory a better and as like

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a not a big let's say, just a better ceiling

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on the defensive end, because it's he profiles as a

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three to four. But I think he can guard basically everybody.

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And for the Spurs to just wind up with him

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next to Victor Wembinyama, next to Stefan Castle, holy holy hell,

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Like this is just there's and when I've looked at him,

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because the way he moves is he's another player. Where

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I was watching him and it was, oh, he just

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looks like a lot bigger.

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Speaker 3: And stockier than I was expecting. He's six 's eight.

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He looks a little bigger.

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Speaker 1: He's strong, and he's not like the quickest, but like

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he understands like time and placement. He's obviously he's long enough.

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He has a seven foot wingspan. I like, I don't

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think he needs he doesn't need lateral foot speed to

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go out and switch on to a guard. He's just

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going to envelop everybody of all sizes, of all different prototypes.

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You can't really dribble around him. It's an exercise in futility.

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And he's like he's got shot blocking instincts too, like

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on or away from the ball. This is if I

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I thought he was gonna play enough, and you could

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probably make the case that he feels their need for

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the Spurs right now than Dylan Harper does. Like he

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would be like a nice under the radar Rookie of

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the Year pick, But we always gravitate towards scores, and

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I don't know how much he's gonna play, so I

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won't go that far.

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Speaker 2: Is it fair to say that, I guess they have

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two questions. Maybe let's frame it this way and you

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can sort of answer the start bench g league through this.

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You can get there through this. It is he someone

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that defenses will care about, uh, Like because this is

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the Spurs and we don't know what their floor and

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ceiling is gonna be, but because they have Wemby and

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00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,960
because his ceiling is so high, it's it's reasonable to

477
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,720
consider questions like this, can he could could Bryant be

478
00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:44,920
someone that is in the rotation in a playoff series

479
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,920
or in big regular season games and be taken seriously

480
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,680
on offense, so you can get his defense on the floor,

481
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,559
like because it has to be because he can't really

482
00:20:54,559 --> 00:20:58,119
do anything else but make threes, right like offensively, So like,

483
00:20:58,599 --> 00:21:00,319
maybe you disagree with that, but but I I'm just

484
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,759
trying to get to the bottom of like, if the

485
00:21:02,759 --> 00:21:04,960
Spurs are any good at all, can he matter?

486
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:06,319
Speaker 3: Yes?

487
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 1: I mean because one, I think just his archetype when

488
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,160
you look at if you don't even if you don't

489
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,920
want him dribbling, his archetype just still becomes hyper valuable

490
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,200
because of what he does defensively. I think he could

491
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,640
probably I would. I would say I'm closer to agreeing

492
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,559
with you than not. I think with something like he

493
00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:25,640
should like there's there's he has sometimes a do too

494
00:21:25,759 --> 00:21:27,640
much factor, but like if you need him to attack

495
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,680
like a straight line closeout or something, or just some

496
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,960
of the passes he might be catching, I think he'll

497
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,359
be more than fine. I think what's gonna be challenging,

498
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,200
And this is interesting when you're looking at it through

499
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,720
all the teams, is how do you develop his offensive

500
00:21:39,799 --> 00:21:42,279
role on a team that's trying to be good, Because

501
00:21:42,279 --> 00:21:43,799
I think when you look at some of these players,

502
00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:46,000
it's you worry a lot of times about, oh, will

503
00:21:46,039 --> 00:21:49,000
defense keep this rookie off the floor. And the answer

504
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,079
for some of these guys, like even a VJ. Edgecomb,

505
00:21:51,079 --> 00:21:54,119
who will talk about later this week, that's that's a no,

506
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,400
like for card Like, the defense is not to keep

507
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:57,079
him off the floor.

508
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 3: It is the offense.

509
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,799
Speaker 1: And when you're a Spurs team that hasn't had phenomenal

510
00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:03,359
spacing around Wemby and you're not guaranteed to do so

511
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,599
necessarily next season. I don't know how much of an

512
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,960
immediate factor he is, but I do think over time,

513
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,200
surely I think that look back and say, okay, is

514
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,839
he like think about og Anenobi's offensive bag and there's

515
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,640
like a little bit more explosion there and he tries

516
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,240
that he has some more daring dude to what he does.

517
00:22:20,279 --> 00:22:22,079
But it wouldn't shock me if it's something like that

518
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:23,640
to where it's, oh, we'd like to see him branch

519
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,519
out a little bit more, and there's moments where it

520
00:22:25,519 --> 00:22:27,920
looks like he can. But overall, I think it's just

521
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,880
the threes will fall at a higher clip and ultimately

522
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,079
I think that's all that matters.

523
00:22:32,079 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 3: When you look at what he does defense.

524
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 2: You know, as we're talking about him, Shane Battier kind

525
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,880
of comes to mind as like a guy that's out

526
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,240
there because he can guard everybody. He's always in the

527
00:22:40,279 --> 00:22:43,880
right spot and if he makes two threes, great game,

528
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,079
right like because he that means he has to be

529
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,720
honored out there, and that's really all you need from

530
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,599
this player. I still think that player type is valuable,

531
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,759
even though one of the things I've been thinking about

532
00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:56,640
a lot is like, does everybody have to be able

533
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,680
to do something with the ball to be on like

534
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,119
a really good, like deep playoff team At this point,

535
00:23:01,279 --> 00:23:05,759
the thunder would suggest the answers no, But like I mean, it.

536
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 1: Does feel like we're going through a phase of though,

537
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:12,680
like teams want size with pass, dribble shoot type decision

538
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:13,279
making though.

539
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,799
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, and he's not that right now. But

540
00:23:16,039 --> 00:23:18,279
again I agree with you. So he's a he's a

541
00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:20,839
bench right, Like he's not a starter, but like he's

542
00:23:20,839 --> 00:23:23,400
also not someone you just the league.

543
00:23:23,559 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 3: I do think we look.

544
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: Back and maybe this is roly a dice a little

545
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,920
bit and this is gonna be someone who's like one

546
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:29,759
of the five.

547
00:23:29,599 --> 00:23:31,039
Speaker 3: Or seven best players in the class.

548
00:23:31,519 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: And that's like, as someone who's pretty high on a

549
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,920
lot of these guys now because I spend too much

550
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,240
time watching them stay tuned for my Alex Twee.

551
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,599
Speaker 2: But well I get it though, because he has a

552
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,200
superpower and he because he can just guard anybody, right,

553
00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:44,960
It's like easy to project forward from that.

554
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: I do think when if people haven't dug into him yet,

555
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,599
I just I watch him, and sometimes his defense doesn't

556
00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:52,480
make sense because I'm so used to the way that

557
00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:54,359
he's able to guard and the things that he's able

558
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,720
to do. I associate like with this raw detonation, not

559
00:23:58,839 --> 00:24:01,200
just going straight up to block shots, but like this

560
00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:04,200
sort of this east West explosion, and that's just not

561
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,759
how he defends. And yet he's kind of suffocating anyway,

562
00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:09,000
And I'm putting him next to Wemby and Steph Castle

563
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,880
should honestly, like the NBA should outlaw that in its

564
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,319
next collective bargaining agreement.

565
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 2: Man, now we're really gonna have to pay attention name

566
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,720
going forward, all right, Sacramento Kings are next in our

567
00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:23,640
reverse alphabetical order, Summer League Superstar Nee Clifford. So this,

568
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,359
I will admit not super familiar with his game. I'm good,

569
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,319
I'm asking you. Do I owe him an apology for

570
00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:35,200
not knowing because of the guys that generated a lot

571
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,279
of buzz, He's definitely, to me was the name where

572
00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:38,839
I had to kind of double check the most and

573
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,279
be like, who's this again, so.

574
00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:42,759
Speaker 1: I think he's a bust because the Kings were not

575
00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:45,720
Summer League champions and so the dynasty not a winner.

576
00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:48,680
I do, so I'll say my actual take is I

577
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,640
think he was just the best rookie in Summer League

578
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,400
all around, Like when you look at I think playing

579
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:54,880
times part of that. But because you could say, oh,

580
00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:57,599
what about that second Cooper Flag game. Yeah, sure, Cooper

581
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,960
Flag is gonna be better than Neil Clifford. That's ground

582
00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:04,359
breaking shit. But I think so I'm trying to figure

583
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,240
out before like get into some of the nuance of

584
00:25:06,279 --> 00:25:09,519
what I liked about him. He just seems like he's

585
00:25:09,599 --> 00:25:13,079
someone who is going to fill gaps for Sacramento but

586
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,799
then strengthen their strength as well. He just in the chat,

587
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,559
heine King will probably trade him to the Bulls regulator said,

588
00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:24,319
Nick looked rough his last two games shot. I noticed

589
00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:25,680
that with some of the guys, but'ch just like when

590
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,160
you're like in Vegas or something league specifically for that long.

591
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna excuse you.

592
00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: I think the defensive energy a lot of the time

593
00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:33,640
was still rare. He saw it a lot on the

594
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,880
offensive end. The offensive end, I don't this is like

595
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,200
kind of another guy to where it's all right, I

596
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,880
don't know, like you want him as your primary ball handler,

597
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,119
and it's he's six six, so I will call him

598
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,960
a wing even though like everyone's gonna list him as

599
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,279
a shooting guard. He has good feel like when you

600
00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:51,640
look at his arsenal of passes, the degree of difficulty

601
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,160
on some of the threes he shot was actually outrageous.

602
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 3: He hit this is the.

603
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: One that's gonna live rent free, and I put it

604
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,920
in my notes. He hit a crossover step back triple

605
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,359
coming off a baseline handoff against the Cleveland Cavaliers, and

606
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,920
it was just like that was the moment for me, whereas, oh, right,

607
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,000
this guy has juice and I don't know if he

608
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,400
should sponge up and he reps at point guard if

609
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,000
he can, that's huge, Like that's a huge point guard

610
00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:18,119
if you were I shouldn't say point guard. But oh

611
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,960
someone who we're gonna use with the bonus and be

612
00:26:20,039 --> 00:26:23,000
our initiation that's bigger than Diaron Fox was, And so

613
00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:26,759
I don't it's like it's DeMar de Rosen size ish basically,

614
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,839
And so I don't know if you can use him

615
00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:30,400
that way. But if I'm the Kings, I'm in fall

616
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,200
on experimental moment, like Dennis Shruder is not. Oh Nie

617
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,079
Cliff can't get on ball reps because we've got Dennis

618
00:26:35,079 --> 00:26:36,880
Shruder here now on a deal that's probably a little

619
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,400
bit too spicy. So the defense too, just like I

620
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,079
don't I don't know what I didn't like about the defense,

621
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,359
Like he's kind of just like he can be everywhere,

622
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,640
Like he can do the playmaking stuff, but he can

623
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,759
be like a timely rebounder if you needed him to.

624
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,039
He just like I said, he's gonna fill gaps but

625
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,759
also strengthen your strengths. And he's not gonna require you

626
00:26:56,839 --> 00:26:59,480
to change anything about the way you play.

627
00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: Who's whose minutes is he chipping away at? And what

628
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,319
is the rea like in each case, what is the

629
00:27:06,519 --> 00:27:09,119
like what is he, in your opinion, going to do

630
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,759
better that justifies Like I got I knocked off like

631
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:15,839
six of Keegan Murray's minutes, or three of Kean House's

632
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,799
or four of Milik Monks, Like who you know what

633
00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:20,119
I mean? Like, yeah, You're you're talking about him as

634
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,799
like a gap filler, So I'm curious, like what will

635
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,279
what will he do that will justify him trimming minutes

636
00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:29,440
from other guys that are more established.

637
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,519
Speaker 3: Dennis Shuter never should have been acquired. I would be

638
00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:33,000
trying to.

639
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,039
Speaker 1: Move to Marta Rosen end or a Melik Monk immediately,

640
00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:37,519
and I'd probably be Demarta rozen just because the downhill

641
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:40,200
stuff like Malik has more of that raw explosion. But

642
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,359
if you're looking for someone who's able to maintain a

643
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,400
live dribble, gonna give you some kind of like different

644
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,960
angles on his finishes around the basket or even his passes.

645
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,759
I think Nee Clifford long term is going to do

646
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:52,319
more of that than a Molik Monk. And just we

647
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,680
know Demarta Rosen's gonna age out by then.

648
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,079
Speaker 3: This is a move. I don't know.

649
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,279
Speaker 1: We haven't done our off season grades and we will

650
00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:00,240
not do our off season grades until were strict free

651
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,720
agency is over, folks. That is that's not happening.

652
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,759
Speaker 2: So I'm like it so like November of twenty twenty

653
00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:06,519
nine at this.

654
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so just yeah, around then the end of the decade,

655
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:09,519
I would think.

656
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: But I think, yeah, I think that this is like

657
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,119
a move that we're both gonna end up loving it.

658
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, the Kings did a thing that was

659
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:18,880
like we could, and we liked it.

660
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: I will say I don't want to see him take

661
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,960
away playing time from Keegan Murray and Keon Ellis because

662
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,240
when I'm looking at this King's team, I think it's

663
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:30,039
important to have guys that either just have minimal weaknesses

664
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:32,359
or just like can fit around everyone. And I think

665
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,680
someone like a Demart Rosen or even malikue Monk when

666
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,200
you're looking at planning defensively, like those are guys you

667
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,119
have to plan around a little bit more than a

668
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,079
Nie Clifford, a ke On Ellis and Keegan Murray. And

669
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,640
also like Keegan Murray, like, let's figure out a way

670
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,759
to try and groom him on offense a little bit

671
00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:46,400
more aggressively.

672
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: Anyway, interesting, all right, let's move to the Portland Trailblazers

673
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,039
and the player I think I'm probably most interested to

674
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:56,559
talk to you about our guy, young handsome yea. So

675
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,480
I love that Nick Dame. I'm going to try to

676
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,160
stick I h we need to find the person in

677
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,200
credit them. But so, this guy was kind of the

678
00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:09,359
one of the big stories of Summer League. Everything I

679
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:14,519
saw was at least interesting and occasionally like very tantalizing,

680
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,839
And I'm curious if over a larger sample you left

681
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,720
kind of feeling the same way about him.

682
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 3: It was this is and I've gotten better.

683
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: There are so many things that I'm bad at when

684
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,759
it comes to reactionary content, I've gotten better at. Just like,

685
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,279
we don't destroy picks unless we feel super strongly about

686
00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:33,359
a player. So when the Blazers reached for him, I

687
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,279
was like, I don't really know, Like sure, like you.

688
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:36,799
Speaker 3: Might as well dagas way, why not?

689
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,799
Speaker 1: I didn't really know going and what to expect, and

690
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,640
watching him, I became very concerned, I'm gonna start with

691
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,319
the defense, even though I think that the offense is

692
00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:46,319
sort of the main attraction for him. I was like,

693
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:48,480
kind of the same concerns I had with a Don

694
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:50,839
van Klingen or even a Zach Edie was always he

695
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,000
gonna end up being too slow. Yeah, and I think

696
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,440
there will be some of that against certain matchups, But

697
00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:00,599
like this dude can I don't know. Again, I don't

698
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,799
actually know what he can become on defense. But he

699
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,960
ran the floor really well, like just kind of end

700
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,920
to end, not like oh, like you know, criss crossing

701
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,519
or anything complicated having to navigate that. But he's just

702
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:12,519
kind of huge and knows how to use it, like

703
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,240
he was a way better shot blocker than I had

704
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,839
read or just expected. And I think what really caught

705
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,559
my eye is he's another one of those bigs to

706
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:22,519
where no it's not like he's getting super low to

707
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,640
the ground or has this complicated footwork, but like he

708
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,519
can backpedal at such like with coordination and speed that

709
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:32,039
it's actually hard to get by him because he's most

710
00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:34,079
likely playing so far off of you to begin with.

711
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,319
I think that this is just like, do I think

712
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:39,680
he can be the like base defender of a top

713
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,599
tier off a defense? I don't know, but I would

714
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:44,799
have absolutely ruled it out coming in. And so when

715
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:49,799
you have that attached to his offensive arsenal, which is

716
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,920
just like the passing and you could see it in

717
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,880
Summer League, it makes guys move around him.

718
00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 3: That's whether he's go ahead. Yah.

719
00:30:58,079 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say that is that is to me,

720
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:05,920
the most conspicuous, conspicuously positive aspect of what I saw,

721
00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:10,519
And it's like so few guys have that effect, right,

722
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:13,240
like Yoke, how far do we make it into the

723
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,000
handsome conversation before we mentioned Yoki? Like sorry, it's my fault.

724
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,759
It's just like anytime a big guy can pass, but

725
00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:23,319
like it's so rare for a player at any at

726
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:27,039
any position, specifically the big spot to have the effect

727
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:29,319
on his teammates that he did in Summer League. And

728
00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:31,839
these are guys that like probably met him like three

729
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,640
days before, you know what I mean. It wasn't like

730
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,880
they'd like gotten a tuned to like, well, when I

731
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,759
do this, he'll he'll throw this bounce pass. Like something

732
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:42,000
about him just makes guys move and and like that

733
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,799
that on its own is valuable because offense is worse

734
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,160
when it's stagnant, and if he's out there, it seems

735
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,680
like he makes it more dynamic and more there's just

736
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,119
more movement. So to talk about that and then sorry,

737
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,799
I just I totally agree that. That to me was like, oh,

738
00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:56,759
that's that's a thing.

739
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: Regulator says.

740
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: Love that the Blazers trusted their scouting department to make

741
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:01,759
that pick.

742
00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: I mean, like, yeah, that's cool.

743
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: I think they were in a fortunate position to where

744
00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:07,279
and look hard when Knox was here first, Like they

745
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:09,200
were just so stacked when you have so many dudes

746
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,839
that you maybe had the leeway to do that. But

747
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:14,599
now I'm looking at this and like start Bencher Gee League,

748
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:15,079
I'm like, shouit.

749
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,559
Speaker 3: He's dart over Timan click it. So that's that's how

750
00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:19,279
you know that. I'm like two in the Summer League

751
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:20,279
Weeds right now.

752
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: But the other stuff he's doing on offense too, there's

753
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:25,920
like a it's like a Gortadian way to how he

754
00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:27,960
screens or whether it's coming off of handles where it's

755
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,480
like you know how you're gonna block the path of

756
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:31,200
like the like your guy behind you.

757
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:32,759
Speaker 3: He does that really well.

758
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:34,359
Speaker 1: I think when you looked at it and it was

759
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,279
the same game, so I'd have to go back and see,

760
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:38,000
but it was like he did that like three times

761
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,720
for Caleb Love and one of the Blazers games. I

762
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:43,000
was just like, what is there anything he can do?

763
00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:44,519
And it's like, well, you look, is the three point

764
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:47,160
shot like gonna be proven enough? And the clip wasn't

765
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,119
what he shoot. I'll look at the percentages ended up

766
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,839
being like thirty three percent or thirty three point eight percent,

767
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,559
but like the stroke is there, and I think, Grant,

768
00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:57,519
I'm curious how you feel about this. I'm just a

769
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:00,839
Blazers team that traded away. It's better shooter and Affony

770
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,119
Simon's well getting someone who is worse in Drew Holliday.

771
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:07,279
You have Damian Lillard who's not going to play this year.

772
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,079
You then sign were they the Blake Wesley team? Like,

773
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,880
that's not gonna be someone who improves your shooting.

774
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:14,559
Speaker 3: I hope I'm not wrong on.

775
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,839
Speaker 1: That, but like his floor spacing and look at their

776
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,400
other bigs, like that wasn't something Eighton did last season. Yes,

777
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,039
I know he's a Laker now, it's not something Donovan

778
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:25,440
Klingon should really be doing.

779
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 3: It's not some r W three is gonna do.

780
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,839
Speaker 1: I guess you'd get some of it from dwop Wreath,

781
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,559
but he might be like sneaky important is just oh

782
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,200
you can run picking pops with him, and you need

783
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,839
that because we want Scoot Henderson above and Danny Afya

784
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,799
of course, like more than anyone. I think Scoot Henderson

785
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,960
just like, can we give that guy some space to

786
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:47,200
operate so we kind of understand who Scoot Henderson is

787
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,160
by the end of year three?

788
00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:51,599
Speaker 2: Is he someone that you wouldn't because it's related to

789
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,799
the space in question? And maybe this is another like

790
00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:58,039
start bench g League kind of way in to me

791
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:02,319
very early. It seems seems like he's someone who's maximal

792
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,519
value comes with a lot of touches, right, because that's

793
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:07,680
how you leverage the passing, That's how you leverage the

794
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,000
handoff game, the size, even the shooting. Like do you

795
00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:15,159
do you see him as someone that can be really

796
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,239
successful and help a lot if he isn't like a

797
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,719
huge part, like not necessarily the total fulcrum of the offense,

798
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,519
But like do you see what I'm getting at? Like

799
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:26,960
it feels like the skills that he has are probably

800
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:30,880
best utilized in like a major offensive role. Can he

801
00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:34,280
can he be helpful if if he is just kind

802
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,840
of standing out there spacing for example, or if he's

803
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,320
you know, just more of a screen setter and you're

804
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,760
not putting the ball in his hands a lot.

805
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,639
Speaker 3: Is that a plausible I think it is?

806
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,599
Speaker 1: You probably, I think with what he can do on

807
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:47,280
the ball, like even when it's from a lot of

808
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,639
it was outside in stuff, which I actually is encouraging

809
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:51,920
because he's comfortable putting the ball on the floor, But

810
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,400
like if you're gonna have him on the block, I

811
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,840
think that's probably like just making him maybe not the

812
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,440
center of your offense, but a co folkrum where he

813
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,840
would shine the most. At the same time, like I

814
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,159
do think he can be complimentary and there might even

815
00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:08,199
be something too. Is that better for him early on

816
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:09,960
because one of the issues that I think he's gonna

817
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,239
have is the rebounding was not great and you did

818
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:14,840
see it on like some of his roles to the

819
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,199
basket where he could be physical and like maybe finish

820
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,679
with some force, but you're gonna go in the NBA

821
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,280
and like you need to be he'll get stronger. But

822
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,719
like he needs to play with more thrust, and I

823
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,840
think he has it in him, like just because we

824
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,000
saw it. So like if you put him in the

825
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:32,760
situation of having a screen and then roll, does that

826
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,519
force him to play with more thrust? And I think

827
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:37,719
it would unless he's gonna bail out kind of in

828
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,159
the short role stop for a floater.

829
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 3: But he doesn't.

830
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: He didn't seem to have that, Like if he was

831
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,719
gonna operate from there, it almost he had to be

832
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,559
in the mid post to start. It wasn't I'm gonna

833
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:49,960
stop mid b line to the basket. So I almost

834
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,559
think it might be better for him to do more

835
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:54,400
of that so he can experience like okay, Like I

836
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,800
need to do better of like figuring out how to

837
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,039
adjust to contact or just drawing it in general. But

838
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:01,880
that's an interesting question I hadn't thought about. Is I

839
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,360
think he can scale down? But it does get into

840
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,679
the proposition of like, well do you want him to?

841
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,159
And if you don't want him to, what does that

842
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,079
mean for Danny Avdia and Scoot Henderson and oh, Damian

843
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:13,079
Miller's gonna be on this team in twenty twenty six

844
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:14,119
twenty seven?

845
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: Do you think opponents will try, like is it a

846
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:21,639
viable strategy to guard him with a non big like

847
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,119
is that you know in terms of his like willingness

848
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:27,239
to just be physical if he's guarded by a wing

849
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,119
or whatever, Like maybe teams try to get away with

850
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:30,880
that if if he's out I don't know if he's

851
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,880
ever gonna be out there with clinging, but just hypothetically, like,

852
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,880
can can you can he punish smaller? Like is he

853
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,079
physical enough? Is he like wired in a way that

854
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:43,199
will just be like you can't get away with putting

855
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,079
a smaller guy on me the.

856
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: Way that I saw him put the ball on the

857
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,960
floor a couple of times, And just like if you're

858
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,719
going to defend him on the block with a smaller

859
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,599
player that he doesn't even need to play with force

860
00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:53,199
at that point. And then if you're gonna send and

861
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:54,880
we didn't see this too much. I mean it's summer

862
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,880
League and he was sort of this unknown quantity. You

863
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,360
can't it's not even you can't send two the ball

864
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,519
on him, like you can't even like show a second

865
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:05,639
defender could because he will find them. But to your question,

866
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,360
I think he's capable of it. I just didn't see

867
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,920
it happening consistently. And so yeah, there's a if I'm

868
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,039
a team, I'm app and he's especially if he is

869
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:15,679
spacing or if he's gonna spend a lot of time

870
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,519
on the perimeter, I'm absolutely experimenting with that because that

871
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:20,559
might be one of the way that you limit what

872
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:23,239
we believe to be his superpower, which is just he

873
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,360
is so versatile on offense. I just keep coming back to, like,

874
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,360
he's gonna make the guys and the Blazers just one.

875
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,719
I mean, and we'll have to see how he gets

876
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,119
integrated there because his role, he's gonna have to scale

877
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:34,960
down if you want to see him get minutes right

878
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:36,239
the big club and then.

879
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 2: If it's if he doesn't scale down, it's like, so, like,

880
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,719
you know what, That's why that question is so interesting

881
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,039
to me, is if he doesn't scale down, the trickle

882
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:46,239
down effect of that is like, Okay, so Scoot is

883
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,920
just like not our guy anymore as far as our

884
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,159
offensive engine or our perspective offensive engine, and it like

885
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,199
it changes a ton if he takes on anything approaching

886
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,159
like a Yoka troll or even forget that, like a

887
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:01,760
like some of alpernsching goons like higher usage like full

888
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,719
or sabonus. Like, if he takes on that kind of role,

889
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,880
suddenly he's in the middle of everything, which is I

890
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,119
mean great, if he's good enough to do that.

891
00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: What how do you approach it with the Blazers those

892
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:13,519
you're running the Blazers now, and you know the outline

893
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:15,880
the skeleton of John Hanson's game?

894
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 3: What are you doing you have?

895
00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I think Donovan Clinton's really the only

896
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,519
player that matters in this discussion because r W three

897
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:24,000
is always injured only as a year left on it,

898
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:26,079
He's probably a buyout candidate with the way things are

899
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,639
working at this point. What do you like, how do

900
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:31,840
you treat this? I think it's you could probably split it,

901
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,840
but it's just like, who are you more invested in?

902
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,440
Is like Donovan Clinton's the higher pick, and we know

903
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:39,519
he has We're just basing this off.

904
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 3: A few Summer League performances.

905
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,639
Speaker 1: We know what Hanson's marketable or like most notable skills are,

906
00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:46,480
but like Donovan Clinton has proven like he kind of

907
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:49,239
has an NBA level superpower right now.

908
00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: That Yeah, and so I think I'm still I'm bringing

909
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,480
Hanson off the bench for a number of reasons, but

910
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,880
not the least of which is like I'm trying to

911
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:02,440
keep Klingon's trade value a little higher. If it does

912
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,000
turn out that like these guys can't play together and

913
00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:08,480
Hanson is like a total like offensive level razer, I

914
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:11,840
care more about that if I'm the Blazers then Clinging being,

915
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,599
you know, one of the five or six best defensive

916
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:16,920
centers with a lot of other limitations like kind of

917
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,639
priced in if you can play him together. Regulators asking

918
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:23,039
Twin Towers maybe like I think you got to give

919
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:25,599
that a shot. I don't know how successful I think

920
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:29,400
that might be, but yeah, I'm benching him, but I'm

921
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:33,840
very very open to it. Staring Hope Okay, I wouldn't.

922
00:39:33,559 --> 00:39:36,639
Speaker 1: Just like, I understand that's egregious. And I actually I

923
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,920
was wrong about Donovan Klingon. I don't remember what I

924
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,119
said about it, it was it was preposterous.

925
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: It was easy to be out on him though, Like right,

926
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,360
last year was a big year for like ground slow

927
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:50,000
non switch bigs, like they've made a real comeback, so

928
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:51,800
it was okay to be out on him.

929
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: I don't you know, this is interesting regulars his twin

930
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,159
towers in the chat and we have so much less

931
00:39:56,199 --> 00:39:56,719
chats going on.

932
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,599
Speaker 3: The normal people don't like this under league deep dives.

933
00:39:58,599 --> 00:39:59,960
So so we'll make a note of this for next year.

934
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:05,199
Speaker 1: So I have you noticed were We've noticed that teams

935
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:07,039
are going more to double big, but now it seems

936
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:09,440
like they might be doing so without regard to maybe

937
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,559
the spacing compromises they needed to make. And maybe we're

938
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:14,480
just we've seen too much of the Houston Rockets. But

939
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,920
Steven Adams and Alphin Shangun together you add Clink capella

940
00:40:18,199 --> 00:40:19,760
to that, and so I would normally look at this

941
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,320
and say no, Donovan Klingon and yanghas like they can't

942
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,800
put like the lack of foot speed there technically on defense.

943
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,119
I don't know what that's going to look like, but

944
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:28,639
it seems like what NBA teams are thinking, and like

945
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,199
because offensive rebounding is a thing again, I do like

946
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,480
I understand that aspect of it, but I can't remember

947
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,280
who made this point, and I haven't thought about it

948
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:36,760
this way.

949
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 3: Maybe it was Nate Duncan.

950
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: But it feels like NBA teams might now do this

951
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,199
without regard for the spacing because on defense, you can

952
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,239
play one of these bigs aggressively and then you have

953
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,920
someone else behind them to cover it up, and so

954
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,000
it's very easy. I think Karl Anthony Towns and Mitchell

955
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:54,280
Robinson are kind of a perfect example there. But like,

956
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,239
can you do that with like we could definitely we've

957
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,039
seen it in Houston. Could you do that with these

958
00:40:58,039 --> 00:40:59,800
two bigs in Portland? Is that something you're willing to

959
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:01,239
or if you're that grant.

960
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: I mean one hundred percent yes, if any of Hanson's

961
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,239
shooting is real, because then on offense you're getting kind

962
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,800
of more, you're getting what you need. I think it's

963
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:14,719
I think it's worth a shot either way, just because

964
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,000
it does feel like things are trending in that direction.

965
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:19,639
And and really a big component of this is like,

966
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:22,079
I don't know that the bigs that the bigs that

967
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,639
used to for like a five to eight year stretch

968
00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:26,559
felt like they were dinosaurs. I don't know that those

969
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:29,440
guys have gotten any more skilled. I think schematically, teams

970
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,239
have gotten better at figuring out ways to keep one

971
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,840
and sometimes two of those guys on the floor, which

972
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:37,840
using the kind of stuff you're talking about, where like

973
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:40,360
maybe you stash one on the weakest shooter that hangs

974
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,920
out in the corner and he's just kind of a

975
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,199
backline help guy. The other guy's the one that has

976
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,159
to handle pick and roll stuff just in a drop,

977
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,400
And guys like team schemes are good enough now that

978
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,920
you can get away with that. So yeah, I think

979
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:53,960
I'm trying it. I'm not ready to jump on the

980
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,440
starter train quite yet, but that'll just give it so

981
00:41:56,559 --> 00:41:58,119
you're way out ahead of the curve on him, you

982
00:41:58,119 --> 00:41:58,280
know what.

983
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 3: That's disrespectful of Donovan kling In.

984
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,039
Speaker 1: But maybe, like every other game, can we do something

985
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:05,280
like that like a rotating star?

986
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? Great, h probably not on him. Who are we

987
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:09,519
going to next?

988
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,679
Speaker 2: We'll go to the Phoenix Suns. Cayman malawatch number ten

989
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,760
pick acquired in the Kevin Durant trade, essentially.

990
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 3: With the Sons his own pick. I find that thing.

991
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, Suns via Rockets via Suns. In fact, I learned

992
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:27,280
higher standing reach than Victor women Yama. So obviously he

993
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,719
was the best player in Summer League.

994
00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: Right, Uh, false, that's fake news, sir. I feel a

995
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,800
little bit worse about him. And you know why I

996
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,039
feel a little bit worse.

997
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,639
Speaker 3: Is he's eighteen. He very much looked eighteen. That is fine.

998
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:44,079
Speaker 1: I think some of the stuff, the defensive footwork and

999
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:46,199
positioning like he was sometimes just like kind of tilt

1000
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,119
I'm moving away from the mic.

1001
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 3: Like so I'm doing my job poorly. He's kind of tilted.

1002
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: And he's also just like in no man's land at points.

1003
00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:56,599
I don't like there's some energy there and like.

1004
00:42:56,559 --> 00:42:57,519
Speaker 3: There was some moments.

1005
00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: But putting him on a Sun's team that has a

1006
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:03,239
right now just does not have like a floor general

1007
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,719
or like a really elite lob thrower is criminal. And

1008
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,480
I think you could say that about well. Mark Williams

1009
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:11,280
is on this team too, and Devin Booker can do

1010
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:12,800
some of that stuff, but I don't think he should

1011
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,119
have to is the problem, and so it's a do

1012
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:18,000
you want Jalen Green or Grayson Allen doing that? Like

1013
00:43:18,199 --> 00:43:20,480
what are we kind of doing here? So I think

1014
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,960
CP three would have been so great for them because

1015
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,760
I think he could have helped all of their bigs

1016
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,400
Mark Williams, Nick Richards, malawatch. But he's just I came

1017
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,679
away feeling a little bit worse with the caveat that

1018
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,800
he's just so young. I don't know why you would

1019
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,880
feel worse. And Phoenix seems to be very high on him,

1020
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,559
which they drafted him at ten. But like some of

1021
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:42,079
the things scouts said to Keith Smith of SPO Track,

1022
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:43,519
just they think he's going to be like a top

1023
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:46,760
tier big man. I didn't see that during Summer League.

1024
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,840
I guess the complexion the trajectory changes quite a bit

1025
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,480
if you buy into like the the three point exploration,

1026
00:43:54,639 --> 00:43:55,440
like that could be big.

1027
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,079
Speaker 3: But that's all. That's also just those feel I don't.

1028
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,199
Speaker 1: Even want to say breaking case of emergency, but it's

1029
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,840
more of just like an add on to what he's

1030
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,480
gonna do best. You're not gonna look at him out

1031
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,199
watch and be like we need that dude to take

1032
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,599
as many three as Victor women Yama, because if he is,

1033
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,000
I don't really know what that means.

1034
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,039
Speaker 2: Well, and that argument is is always one that you

1035
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:17,280
make with a guy that's this young that can't do

1036
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,199
that right, Like it's like, well, if he could just

1037
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,960
shoot a three. It's like, I don't know, we were we

1038
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,719
saying that about Clint Capella like thirteen years ago, Like

1039
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,519
you know what I mean, Like anytime there's a guy

1040
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:29,559
that has like great measurables, it's pretty clearly like significant

1041
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:32,639
defensive potential, the good size, it's like, well, if you

1042
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:35,519
could just add a three, you know like that, Yeah,

1043
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:39,639
of course you know that's so I guess then this

1044
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,320
is not someone that's gonna push Mark Williams or kind

1045
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,320
of like make the Sons not skip a beat in

1046
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,840
the likely event that Williams misses time.

1047
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be pretty surprised if it happens in

1048
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:52,599
year one?

1049
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:54,639
Speaker 2: Where is he playing over Richard's.

1050
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 3: I mean, if the Sons are trying to win games,

1051
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:58,480
probably not.

1052
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: I assume they are. I don't know, well, they.

1053
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,199
Speaker 1: Have nineteen point four million dollars in dead money on

1054
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:04,880
the books, I think, I don't know.

1055
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:05,519
Speaker 3: So what would you.

1056
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: Make of it if you know, you know, like what

1057
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,960
the lowdown was on Malawatch coming into Summer League, what

1058
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,159
he's supposed to be a prospect. Now, I'm gonna tell

1059
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:16,000
you I came away feeling better about he opened Summer League,

1060
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:18,039
like with a little glimpse into his floor game where

1061
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:20,280
like spins into a left handed hook shot. I came

1062
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,679
away feeling better about him doing something like that than

1063
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:28,199
I did of him being like this consistent screener, roller finisher.

1064
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:30,760
And that's with me, the caveat of rethrow efficiency out

1065
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,480
the window. But if I'm coming away from this and

1066
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:36,960
saying that it's like, is that good because it's oh

1067
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:38,800
the skills that he's supposed to be good and he'll

1068
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,559
just develop, or is it alarming?

1069
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 3: Is it nothing?

1070
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,679
Speaker 1: It's this, is and this. Honestly, I don't think this

1071
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,760
situation helps him, Like I really think they need to

1072
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,159
get like more of an offensive organizer game map like

1073
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,119
Tias Jones in the Tias Jones role for this team

1074
00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:53,840
would have mattered a great deal this season.

1075
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,199
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, so then in that case, to answer your question,

1076
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,159
I would have just rather him show that he was

1077
00:45:59,199 --> 00:46:01,000
good at the like two or three things I hoped

1078
00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:03,440
I was getting out of the draft, you know, like

1079
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:06,079
can you catch a lob? Can you defend the room?

1080
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: And he seems like when he kind of like really

1081
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,519
zeros in, And I think that and Chandler sv sas

1082
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:15,440
Sons will probably trade Nick Richards back and back to

1083
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,920
the one that they love swapping setters. They should probably

1084
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,480
just trade Nick Richards because you don't have an incentive

1085
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:22,440
to be bad this year. But like you're invested in

1086
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,559
Malwatch and I don't, like, I assume the Devin Booker

1087
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:27,119
extension was just hush money until he eventually wants out.

1088
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,119
Speaker 3: That's just that's that's how I viewed that.

1089
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:32,119
Speaker 1: So I I'm not I wouldn't write him off by

1090
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:33,920
any stretch. And I can like kind of see what

1091
00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:36,679
like they viewing him. But I I don't know how

1092
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,320
much of this was Summer League where it's okay, the

1093
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,679
playmaking and like the chemistry is already gonna be spotty,

1094
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,480
But are we sure it's gonna get a lot better

1095
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:45,119
when he goes into like Phoenix is actually doing this year?

1096
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: Well, so then are he's clearly not a start? Is

1097
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,760
this a is this a bench? Or do you think

1098
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,280
he would benefit from being in the G League, man,

1099
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:54,239
I think.

1100
00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: You probably benefit from being in the like if we're

1101
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,519
trying to like view it as where is he spending

1102
00:46:57,559 --> 00:46:59,679
both of his time? Because I don't if the Suns

1103
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:02,199
are being serious that they're trying to win games, I

1104
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:03,880
don't know that man, which is, by the way, he's

1105
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,679
a teenager, so that's fine. So I'm just gonna say

1106
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,760
G League, which I think a lot of people may

1107
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,519
think is egregious when you're talking about a top ten pick.

1108
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:14,760
He did have, like the he faced Johann Berenjay like

1109
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,880
in the Minnesota game, and he had some moments against him.

1110
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,400
But I came away from that game and overall from

1111
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,119
some of the feeling better about Baron Jay and Chann

1112
00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:24,639
the RESTV says in the chat Nick Mark malawatch A

1113
00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:27,159
is super similar. Should no joke move off Nick and

1114
00:47:27,199 --> 00:47:30,119
give Malawachi? Yeah, I think if my whole thing is

1115
00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:32,159
just grant like the Sons, don't we know, there's no

1116
00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:35,079
incentive to be bad, but like, you have no badin

1117
00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:38,239
in being good, so why not give him? If I

1118
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,159
were the Sons, I would just probably start him, like

1119
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,480
I'm fine with the Mark Williams trade.

1120
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 3: And maybe you don't start him.

1121
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,599
Speaker 1: But you know that Mark William probably shouldn't be playing

1122
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:47,320
a ton of minutes anyway. But he's my second big

1123
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,760
if I'm the Suns just because I love Alaso Wigadaro.

1124
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,880
But you have this top ten pick invested in him,

1125
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,039
just see what you have. But then do you think

1126
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:57,079
it does a disservice if Devin Booker or Jalen Green

1127
00:47:57,159 --> 00:47:59,320
or your day facto point guards. And again, I think

1128
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,960
Devin Bookers underrated passer. You know that I've said that

1129
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:04,559
a bunch. I just think that he's better with like

1130
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:06,840
an Ohsobigadaro type big than he is, like, oh, you

1131
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,159
need to pass these guys open or hit these guys

1132
00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:09,639
for lobs.

1133
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know if that's his strong suit.

1134
00:48:11,679 --> 00:48:13,599
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I think it's asking too much of

1135
00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:16,360
him and he hasn't shown it that he's like the

1136
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,760
guy that will just Chris Paul is the good counter example,

1137
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,000
like I'll just make this guy better because I will

1138
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,440
spoon feed him. He's getting eight points a night, just

1139
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:26,679
that he doesn't have to do anything for all. Right, Interesting,

1140
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:30,480
let's go to the Oklahoma City thunder Here continuing reverse alphabetically,

1141
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:35,360
another exciting, like an asterisk rookie because he missed all

1142
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,280
of last season, was drafted injured, essentially Nicole A. Topich.

1143
00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:43,440
I get so before you just give the general impression, like,

1144
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:46,800
what I'm most curious about is like, is he someone

1145
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,239
because look, hey, newsflash, the thunder won the title, but

1146
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,800
they did not have great secondary creation all the time.

1147
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,079
Is he someone that you think can do that? And

1148
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:57,320
is he someone that you think will actually be good

1149
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,840
enough at that to pull minutes away from what's otherwise

1150
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,119
like one of the deepest, maybe the deepest team in

1151
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:03,559
the league.

1152
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: The answer is just yes to all the above. Okay,

1153
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,639
we still have questions about the shooting for him, but

1154
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,000
you could see the passing, you could see the field.

1155
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,239
I think what's also interesting is how do you figure

1156
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,199
out how to get reps for someone like him on

1157
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,360
a team that already has some of the most established

1158
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,199
players his movement away from the ball, like for someone

1159
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,760
who's coming off an ACL injury, that's like, where's the

1160
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,800
we need to have the Apologies. I'm sorry it wasn't

1161
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,320
familiar enough with your game meme up here, because I

1162
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,360
thought that was actually phenomenal and that's like a way

1163
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,280
for him to kind of like the way that aj

1164
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,480
Mitchell broke his way into the rotation to start last

1165
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,599
season was Yeah, it took injuries, but he was able

1166
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:41,639
to just plug and play. I came away from TOPA

1167
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,320
just like, well, this dude is way more plug and

1168
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,000
play than I thought. But he like I don't know

1169
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,840
what to make of the three ball at the same time,

1170
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,519
like he drilled like a couple of self created bombs

1171
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,920
and one of them was it was just against the pacers,

1172
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,400
and I was, all right, now can we get him to.

1173
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,039
Speaker 3: Actually take those types of shots. I don't know. He

1174
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:01,280
wasn't really looking at the back either from the perimeters.

1175
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:05,119
Speaker 1: There's I'll forgive any turnovers in summer League, and I'm

1176
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:07,679
even more so gonna like forgive them because his usage

1177
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,639
was through the roof for a lot of those games.

1178
00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:13,599
He probably needs to Like there's he is flash meets substance,

1179
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:16,599
but he does lean too much towards like you don't

1180
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:19,000
not every pass needs to be like one handed and all.

1181
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:20,199
Speaker 2: Now you have my attention.

1182
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of like you. It's it's not he

1183
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:26,239
doesn't move the same way, but it's just like you.

1184
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,400
So manager nobly like would try things a few too

1185
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,360
many times, and he like kind of has that like

1186
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:34,800
superfluous flair that he plays with. But it's fun to

1187
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,199
watch that, I would say.

1188
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:41,039
Speaker 2: I mean, look that that so that's very exciting to me.

1189
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:42,920
That's the most that's the most intriguing thing. You said

1190
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,960
that he's a little too flashy. I'm on, I'm super

1191
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:45,440
on board.

1192
00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: The other thing, too, is when I mentioned his off

1193
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,400
ball movement, like it kind of scaled to the defensive

1194
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,159
end too, and so it's like, oh, all right, of

1195
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:54,800
course the thunder have just somebody that might be okay

1196
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,239
off defense that people weren't really talking about defense.

1197
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:02,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, is he someone that's just imagine it's December and

1198
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,559
Shay and Jadab are not on the floor and Topitch

1199
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:09,039
has the ball, he's running the offense. Is he someone

1200
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:12,119
that you just in a high pick and roll, He's

1201
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:14,960
gonna turn the corner, maybe get the guy, get the

1202
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,679
defender on it back, Like is that something that he

1203
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,599
can do? And just like, oh my god, he's got

1204
00:51:20,639 --> 00:51:22,639
everybody right where he wants him, Like is he that

1205
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,880
level of sort of like floor mapper, like like you

1206
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,519
know what I mean what I'm getting at, Like, is

1207
00:51:28,519 --> 00:51:31,400
he someone that like just with a screen, he has

1208
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,159
compromised the defense and now has options off of that.

1209
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:37,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that he'll And I also just like

1210
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:41,079
playing with Yeah, with all due respect to like Brandon Carlson,

1211
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,159
who I actually I took. I put him in the

1212
00:51:43,159 --> 00:51:45,760
first round of a when I did a redraft, by

1213
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,559
the way, for anyone who cares, But like when you're

1214
00:51:48,599 --> 00:51:51,000
looking at the bigs that he was playing with in

1215
00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:55,239
Summer League, I just like to play with the god

1216
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,840
from that to Chet and the Hartenstein I mean, and

1217
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:58,519
even big.

1218
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,519
Speaker 3: Jaylen Williams, Like I just yes, I think he can.

1219
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:01,920
I don't.

1220
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: There's like a change. I compared him to shake gilges

1221
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:07,679
Alexander leading into the draft last year. I might not

1222
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,079
ready to move off that entirely. There's like a change

1223
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:12,800
of gears so that I don't think he's gonna do

1224
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,119
that stuff right off. Rip and Shay always had just

1225
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,480
you don't maybe don't trust his three point shot like

1226
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:22,639
intrinsically relative to other players, but you trust him like okay,

1227
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:24,280
like he got Like I don't feel that way with

1228
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,880
Topitch just yet. And I think that he kind of

1229
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,960
suffers more from a passivity as a scorer. So that's

1230
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,039
something that defenses will adjust to and maybe make him

1231
00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:34,239
easier to guard. But he's someone that I think at

1232
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,280
the NBA level, maybe not right out of the gate,

1233
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,920
but like if you mentioned December, let's say February post

1234
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,400
All Star Break, if you're trying to like conserve your guys,

1235
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:42,920
I think he's someone who could eat up a lot

1236
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:47,360
of on ball usage and like not make it look like, oh,

1237
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,519
we're trying to develop too hard, Like no, might feel

1238
00:52:49,519 --> 00:52:50,960
more organic, as in.

1239
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:52,559
Speaker 3: Oh, this is actually helping us.

1240
00:52:53,039 --> 00:52:55,199
Speaker 2: Okay, start, you start?

1241
00:52:55,559 --> 00:52:56,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, you started?

1242
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: He started?

1243
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:58,679
Speaker 3: What's the it's bench?

1244
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: Because I want to see it, But it's all so like, oh, well,

1245
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,480
then how are we like who's it might have to be?

1246
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:05,679
Speaker 3: Gee? Well not just to look at this year.

1247
00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:10,519
Speaker 2: With the thunder specifically, though, you can definitely pull minutes

1248
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:13,239
from Cruise. So during the regular season, like maybe you

1249
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,719
just you play him twice a week or whatever, and

1250
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,159
he plays fifteen minutes most nights because who cares and

1251
00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:20,119
you just want him healthy late in the year, and

1252
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:22,719
then it's like is it Wiggins or is it uh?

1253
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:26,079
Is it Joe? I guess that you're at or Wallace

1254
00:53:26,159 --> 00:53:28,760
even you're probably not taking Wallace's minutes, but there's I

1255
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,000
think there will be minutes there assuming the Thunder really

1256
00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:35,079
take the view of like, we're thank you, Eric, we

1257
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:36,280
agree we are.

1258
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: Our biased opinion, Eric is one of the smartest human

1259
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,079
beings to ever grace this.

1260
00:53:40,119 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 2: Or Okay, that's enough on toepitch, Let's get to Brooks.

1261
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,119
I have So how much do you have to say

1262
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:50,519
about Brooks Barnheiser? You see, I actually.

1263
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:52,679
Speaker 1: Do have things to say, but only well because he

1264
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,000
was First of all, can we tell anyone who's watching,

1265
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,719
can we take a minute to appreciate that this dude

1266
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,079
was definitely doing like bicep curls and push ups before

1267
00:53:59,079 --> 00:53:59,840
you like, we see.

1268
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 2: The for sure there's a pump going on there.

1269
00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 3: Right. First of all, good for him, I favor.

1270
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: But what I want to say, well, maybe I'll start

1271
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,400
with the player before my actually overarching thought on like

1272
00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:13,119
the Thunder really just did it again, Grant. It turns

1273
00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:16,159
out Oklahoma City selected another grittiest hell perimeter defender with

1274
00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:20,079
top shelf basketball IQ is that how how surprising is that.

1275
00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 2: You knock me over with a feather?

1276
00:54:23,159 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: So the on ball pressure he could provide is insane?

1277
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,719
Like can cover the entire floor. Now it's oh, a rookie.

1278
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,880
I don't know how much it's gonna play, But Cason

1279
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,840
Wallace and Alex Caruso are just also on this team

1280
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:35,559
as his blue door.

1281
00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 3: This is this is stupid stuff. Now, grant uh.

1282
00:54:39,159 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: He can get strips, he will force turnovers away from

1283
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,880
the ball, and he does this like it is p

1284
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,920
is his primary life source. His aggression can mutate into

1285
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,119
like over eagerness, and there will be some fouls. But

1286
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:55,320
it wasn't like egregious in something like in Summer League.

1287
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,159
Is oh, you get the ten fouls across a forty

1288
00:54:57,199 --> 00:54:59,199
minute game. And I didn't come away thinking that he

1289
00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:02,199
would ever be someone who came in locked eight minutes

1290
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,639
and picked up four fouls or something. Again, the thunder

1291
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:10,000
did it again there offensively shocker questions about the jump shot,

1292
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,840
I still have them. I think that he's probably like

1293
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:18,159
if you can give him super wide open looks, if

1294
00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:20,039
he could just like put a little bit more I

1295
00:55:20,039 --> 00:55:21,760
don't know if it's arc or just needs to put

1296
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,480
more moop behind them, but a lot of his shots

1297
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:24,440
just felt the fall short.

1298
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:26,199
Speaker 3: Your move chip angled.

1299
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: So we have him in Oklahoma City by the way,

1300
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,639
So I assume he'll eventually shoot forty percent from three

1301
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:34,079
on five attempts or more per thirty six minutes. I

1302
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:37,039
thought that, like the overall balance of his offensive portfolio, though,

1303
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:39,519
was very solid. He has a little bit of a handle.

1304
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:41,599
He tries to get like too cute with it when

1305
00:55:41,639 --> 00:55:44,360
he's attacking the paint, but he also when he's really

1306
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,920
at his best, there's control in the half court to

1307
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,960
where all right, No, I don't know that you want

1308
00:55:49,039 --> 00:55:51,599
him running when you're looking for those secondary ball handlers.

1309
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,039
Speaker 3: You want him running pick and rolls and initiate any offense.

1310
00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:56,159
Maybe not, but I'm not ready to say no.

1311
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: Like he has kind of like stop on a dime,

1312
00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:00,280
throw up a floater, can use a little bit of

1313
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,320
more tricks with the shoulders and body to try and

1314
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:03,159
get to the basket.

1315
00:56:04,199 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 3: Uh, do you have anything on that? Before? What I'm

1316
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:09,679
questioning about the thunder like macro with I.

1317
00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 2: Was gonna ask you what positions you're comfortable with him

1318
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,679
guarding all of them? Okay, no, justill just the ones

1319
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:16,239
on the floor.

1320
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the ones on the floor. Maybe some of

1321
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,400
the ones that are in the locker room at points.

1322
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:26,679
Speaker 3: So this is probably I'm gonna say one through three. Yeah,

1323
00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:29,239
with like the ability to maybe he could scale up

1324
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:29,639
to four.

1325
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 2: More more Wallace than Caruso in that sense, because Caruso

1326
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,079
you can get away with on some fives, but Wallace

1327
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:39,239
is like strong and good enough for threes, but not

1328
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:40,960
quite a one through four guy.

1329
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. He's pretty strong.

1330
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: It's just like like he could be technically. I could

1331
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,840
see him being a lou Dort replacement eventually if you

1332
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,719
thought so, because he's six' five and what is Lou?

1333
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 3: Dohrt he's six, four he's.

1334
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: SIX i, mean there you, go like, Now it's just

1335
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,519
It's that's like What i'm kind of getting into is

1336
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,760
when people are worried about can the THUNDER i, see

1337
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,960
can they keep their big three. Together i'm not saying

1338
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,199
they're gonna end up doing, this but you could move

1339
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,880
off of a loudhort In Alex, caruso even If Cason

1340
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,199
wallace ends up getting more, expensive and it's, well we

1341
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,639
Have Aj mitchell on a cheap contract, or we have

1342
00:57:17,719 --> 00:57:21,079
Brook Brooks, barnheiser who has shown all this. Stuff, Defensively

1343
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:22,760
i'm not saying he's going to be as good as

1344
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,679
any of these guys in all likelihood it's The, thunder

1345
00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:28,559
so maybe you assign more value to it, happening but

1346
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:30,280
are a, Likelihood, no he's not going to be those.

1347
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:31,239
Speaker 3: Guys they've just.

1348
00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: Peppered themselves with All, like some of these guys get too.

1349
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,880
Expensive it's, Well Nicola topinch still might.

1350
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 3: Just be pretty. Cheap, yeah and that's another ball handler right.

1351
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,239
Speaker 1: There and if he's not gonna hurt you, defensively he's,

1352
00:57:41,239 --> 00:57:44,199
Not like he can't Replace caruso and he can't Replace,

1353
00:57:44,239 --> 00:57:47,679
loudort so that gets a little. Trickier but, like could

1354
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:49,440
he if you have some of these guys in a

1355
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,719
rookie skill like let's Say barnheives or A J mitchell super,

1356
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,360
cheap you feel, okay like having two of them versus

1357
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,440
having to Pay caruso or Lou dort on his next.

1358
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,880
Deal not decisions The thunder need make right, Now BUT

1359
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,599
i think people are under selling where it's twenty twenty,

1360
00:58:02,639 --> 00:58:04,599
seven that's gonna be the year they make them some

1361
00:58:04,679 --> 00:58:09,920
tough decisions, maybe but also maybe not well.

1362
00:58:09,639 --> 00:58:13,159
Speaker 2: And look like there'll be a third wave two because

1363
00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:15,719
of all the picks like so like right around the

1364
00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:18,639
Time barnheuser And topitch get. Expensive there's gonna be like

1365
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:21,159
the twenty twenty nine and twenty thirty first they've got

1366
00:58:21,159 --> 00:58:23,719
coming in from god knows. Who so, yeah, LIKE i

1367
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,840
DON'T i think that's a real. THING i, mean you

1368
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,960
just against. That you have to weigh just the chronic

1369
00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:35,079
uncertainty of like how long windows are, open and like

1370
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:37,559
what's gonna happen with their three best play like all that.

1371
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:40,360
Stuff but, like, YEAH i, DON'T i MEAN i. Wouldn't

1372
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:43,599
The thunder are set up better to sort of keep

1373
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:48,000
this thing running than any TEAM i can. Remember like

1374
00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:50,840
that's just, that that's a fact because of the guys

1375
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,920
that are in there now on rookie scale deals and

1376
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,039
the guys that are like sophomores in college or in

1377
00:58:56,079 --> 00:58:58,719
high school right now that they're gonna repopulate the roster with.

1378
00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:01,519
Speaker 1: Soon or is it surprising to you that they weren't

1379
00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:03,880
the first team to acquire some type of twenty thirty

1380
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,119
two draft pick a little?

1381
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:07,079
Speaker 2: BIT i mean there's still time that could.

1382
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:09,239
Speaker 1: STILL i, Mean brooklyn got. IT i JUST i would

1383
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,320
assume THAT okac on draft night would.

1384
00:59:11,079 --> 00:59:11,719
Speaker 3: Have been like the first.

1385
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,679
Speaker 2: Team OH i, See, yeah they weren't the first one

1386
00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:16,599
to get a twenty thirty. Two all, right so this

1387
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:19,639
is still, though just because of the positional, Glut barnheiser

1388
00:59:19,679 --> 00:59:21,599
is A g, leaguer right like just sort of has to.

1389
00:59:21,639 --> 00:59:24,239
Speaker 1: Be, YEAH i think that he's not gonna fill like

1390
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,880
there's a chance That topis could fill a need right.

1391
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,960
Away he's just when, YOU i, mean we named all

1392
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,119
of them, already it's just Knocking Jallen. Williams we didn't

1393
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:33,039
even mention, it like WING J, dub we didn't even

1394
00:59:33,039 --> 00:59:36,039
mentioned him. Yet so there's just, yeah SO i WOULD

1395
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:37,719
i would SAY g, league but this is someone who

1396
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,320
this isn't gonna don't think it's gonna be A Dylan

1397
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,079
jones situation where they're looking to get rid of him

1398
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:41,400
after a.

1399
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 2: Year, gotcha all, Right, Dan it's time to talk about

1400
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,840
The New Orleans. Pelicans let's start with the guy they picked, highest,

1401
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,280
Uh Jeremiah. FEARS i, mean this was a player that came,

1402
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,599
in like even if even people that liked him were,

1403
00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:57,679
like there are some real potential problems here with the

1404
00:59:57,719 --> 01:00:01,000
size and with the turnover propensity and with the. Shooting

1405
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:06,639
did you leave The Jeremiah fears experience feeling like the

1406
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:12,199
concerns were greater or less than they were like around the.

1407
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: Draft so they're less then for, ME i think because

1408
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:20,360
his strengths translated really really well where it's and.

1409
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:21,719
Speaker 3: Maybe you won't see as much of this In New.

1410
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: ORLEANS i don't know how to feel About New orleans

1411
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,639
a spacing this, year just because they do Have Trey,

1412
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,239
Murphy Sadik bay's, healthy they Got Jordan poole who shot

1413
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,480
really well last. Year But Jeremiah fears is just like

1414
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:35,079
he will get downhill and figure out how to get

1415
01:00:35,079 --> 01:00:38,119
to the basket even if there's no spacing around, him

1416
01:00:38,159 --> 01:00:40,719
and SO i think that's really. IMPORTANT i came away

1417
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,559
probably feeling a little bit better about his passing. OVERALL

1418
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,440
a lot of, it, though does feel, Like, okay this

1419
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:48,199
is gonna have to come out of. DRIVES i don't

1420
01:00:48,199 --> 01:00:49,880
know if you want him to have to slow down

1421
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,199
and run the offense that. WAY i also think that

1422
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,519
when you're looking at him getting downhill the, finishing it

1423
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:58,679
didn't pop all the, time AND i think some of

1424
01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:01,639
that has to do with his take off points and

1425
01:01:01,679 --> 01:01:04,719
then he. Does he's someone who definitely gets like tunnel,

1426
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,280
vision and those can be self saboteurs for. HIM i

1427
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,199
don't know what to ding him for with the three

1428
01:01:10,239 --> 01:01:13,199
point shooting, though because we knew that was a concern for,

1429
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,159
him and so like it was if if it's still a,

1430
01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:18,159
concern but it's. Not to, me it's not any greater

1431
01:01:18,639 --> 01:01:20,280
of a. Concern it's just in the context of The

1432
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,000
New Orleans, pelicans is that what they need from the guard.

1433
01:01:23,079 --> 01:01:26,239
Speaker 3: SPOT i don't feel AND i felt this.

1434
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,639
Speaker 1: WAY i think coming Into Summer, LEAGUE i DON'T i

1435
01:01:28,679 --> 01:01:31,559
feel better About Derek, queen LIKE i would still rate,

1436
01:01:31,639 --> 01:01:33,480
him and we're gonna talk about him in a. SECOND

1437
01:01:34,039 --> 01:01:35,639
i do think, though what popped with me for the

1438
01:01:35,679 --> 01:01:38,920
passing is like when he really was surveying the floor

1439
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:40,679
and had his head up on his drives or at

1440
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,039
least like not just looking straight, ahead he would have

1441
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:44,719
had so many more.

1442
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 3: Assists and you.

1443
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:46,639
Speaker 1: Could say this about a lot of, guys but he

1444
01:01:46,639 --> 01:01:48,239
would have had a lot more assists, if like The

1445
01:01:48,239 --> 01:01:51,119
Summer pelicans hit more shots like off of his. Passes

1446
01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:53,119
so that is someone, who like you want to put

1447
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:56,079
the defense into rotation or get other guys. Open that's

1448
01:01:56,119 --> 01:01:59,679
a big deal because Like Zion, WILLIAMSON i Just i'm

1449
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:01,480
going out on a limb, here he might miss some. Time,

1450
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,719
grant it's like to have somebody could do, That why

1451
01:02:04,719 --> 01:02:05,239
would you say?

1452
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 3: THAT i, Know i'm.

1453
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: Sorry to have someone that could do, THAT i think

1454
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,800
is absolutely. Huge SO i feel better About fears following

1455
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,960
His vegas. Stint it's not that to, me he didn't

1456
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,119
disprove any of his, weaknesses BUT i think that he

1457
01:02:16,199 --> 01:02:19,199
proved that nucleus of his. Game the driving, again the,

1458
01:02:19,239 --> 01:02:22,039
finishing even though it wasn't, pristine and then of course

1459
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:24,360
the foul. DRAWING i think that translates right.

1460
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 2: AWAY i asked wass this BECAUSE i just trying to

1461
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,239
get a sense of how to think About. Fears did

1462
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,960
he remind you of anybody? Like is there you? Know

1463
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,480
in Basically i'm looking for small guard comps that like

1464
01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:45,000
he flashed glimpses of small guard. Comps man did he,

1465
01:02:45,159 --> 01:02:47,480
well maybe the question is did He as you're watching,

1466
01:02:47,559 --> 01:02:49,840
him were you like this guy's? Undersized did that was

1467
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:50,760
that part of Your.

1468
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 3: It was like he could stand a get a little bit.

1469
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:58,480
Stronger it was so how tall Was john WALL i think.

1470
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 2: He was listed at six, four but so probably he

1471
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:02,239
was six two or six.

1472
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,039
Speaker 3: Three so LIKE i think he's probably not as.

1473
01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: PHYSICAL i, mean But Jeremiah fears is listed at six to,

1474
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:09,960
three AND i guess that you quibble over do you

1475
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,000
think that he can be a point?

1476
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 3: Guard AND i think That John wall what? Prime John

1477
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:15,159
wall developed some.

1478
01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:19,119
Speaker 1: PATIENTS i just because he doesn't pop necessarily athletically like

1479
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:21,679
A John, Waller Russell westbrook Or Derrick.

1480
01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:25,159
Speaker 2: ROSE i, mean three of the, best.

1481
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: Right but that's like Who i'm gravitating. To and he

1482
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,840
doesn't play with the elegance of like What John morant.

1483
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:30,960
Did SO i, don't, MAN i don't know what the

1484
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,360
comp is good chat is a good comp For? Jeremiah

1485
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:34,440
do you know what his pro comp?

1486
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:36,079
Speaker 3: Was? Like what was the most Popular Jeremiah?

1487
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:38,079
Speaker 2: Fear Oh, GOD i HAVE i, Mean i'm Sure Darius

1488
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:41,679
garland got, mentioned just because that's that's the most recent

1489
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:46,079
successful smallest. GUARD i, mean He fears has to play point, guard,

1490
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:48,159
Right like he Can't if he's a, two then he's

1491
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:52,079
just like so much less. Valuable like is there did

1492
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:53,400
you have a did you? HAVE i, MEAN i don't

1493
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,840
want to like misconstrue what you're, saying but like you

1494
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,199
don't view him as someone that would play the two

1495
01:03:58,280 --> 01:03:59,719
like he has to be a, one doesn't.

1496
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: HE i think that he could have The, YEAH i

1497
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,280
would put him on the ball BECAUSE i think that's

1498
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,239
where he's going to be strongest right. Now and JUST

1499
01:04:06,719 --> 01:04:08,880
i do wonder though because the level of difficulty on

1500
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,079
some of his shots and again they're not going in right,

1501
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:13,679
now it does make me hopeful, That, okay well maybe

1502
01:04:13,679 --> 01:04:15,280
there is someone who can hit like some of these

1503
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,039
set white like because when you look at some of the,

1504
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,360
guys excuse me on The, pelicans AND i Think Derek

1505
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,840
queen when he's healthy And Zion. Williamson of, course they're

1506
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,119
gonna get their own drible. Penetration Like Jeremiah fears has

1507
01:04:26,159 --> 01:04:27,920
the tools to be like can he do like a

1508
01:04:28,199 --> 01:04:30,079
like just cut, in whether it's on the corner or

1509
01:04:30,159 --> 01:04:32,320
like from forty five degrees? IN i think he can

1510
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,719
do some of that, Stuff But i'm developing him as

1511
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,760
an on ball point. GUARD i THINK i do though

1512
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,559
with all, that and now he has the bigs for

1513
01:04:40,639 --> 01:04:42,199
DO i think work better for him than maybe where

1514
01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:44,559
it's playmaking will pop even. More the question is is

1515
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:47,440
they're enough spacing around? Him and you could, say like

1516
01:04:47,679 --> 01:04:49,840
does that spacing come in the form of players who

1517
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,440
make sense around. Him AND i was just about to

1518
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,880
mention as, chandlers he says in the, chat like Playing

1519
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,280
fears And pool together. DEFENSIVELY i just really don't know

1520
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:58,760
how that's going to work.

1521
01:04:58,599 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 2: Out, right all? Right so is He it sounds like

1522
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,599
he's not a. Start is he a bench or A

1523
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:04,079
G league?

1524
01:05:04,119 --> 01:05:06,679
Speaker 1: GUY i would bet he could come off the bench for.

1525
01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:08,559
Sure AND i, mean like you have like this high

1526
01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:09,559
equity invested.

1527
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,519
Speaker 2: The seventh, pick you sort of you have to with

1528
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:12,880
the pick That, OKAY i.

1529
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,039
Speaker 1: Think you can question do The pelicans have more invested

1530
01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:18,920
right now In Jeremiah fears or this, guy Mister Darren?

1531
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,039
Speaker 3: Queen, well did.

1532
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,119
Speaker 2: They give up an unprotected first For Jeremiah?

1533
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:26,239
Speaker 3: Fears, no they used the seventh overall pick on him

1534
01:05:26,239 --> 01:05:28,079
instead of Number what was he? Thirteen twelve?

1535
01:05:28,119 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 2: Thirteen, YEAH i mean it's so, Uh Derek queen got.

1536
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,199
Hurt he's gonna miss what is it like a twelve

1537
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:35,360
weeks with the wrist.

1538
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,239
Speaker 3: SURGERY i was just, yeah just read are?

1539
01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 2: You? Yeah, no he? Reevaluated so then who, knows like

1540
01:05:41,519 --> 01:05:45,159
how much longer that's gonna? Go throw that? Out just

1541
01:05:45,239 --> 01:05:48,079
talk as you know from what he actually did on

1542
01:05:48,119 --> 01:05:50,639
the court prior to prior to a huge bummer of an.

1543
01:05:50,639 --> 01:05:53,880
Injury just, like regardless of how you feel about The

1544
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,280
pelicans' machinations to get, him that sucks for him and for.

1545
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,000
Them what did he show?

1546
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:00,199
Speaker 3: You uh?

1547
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 2: That, WELL i guess the million dollar question is like

1548
01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:07,119
did he show enough to justify the tense spot move

1549
01:06:07,239 --> 01:06:09,440
up and the unprotected pick being traded to get? Him,

1550
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,320
LIKE i don't know how he possibly could, have but

1551
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:13,559
you have to view it through that. LENS i think

1552
01:06:13,639 --> 01:06:15,599
just because that that's a thing that, happened.

1553
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: Right and it doesn't so it doesn't color my evaluation of.

1554
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,840
HIM i think IT'S i tried to untether it from

1555
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,559
what they gave the opportunity cost of getting. Him BUT

1556
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:27,559
i understand why The pelicans coveted him so coveted him so.

1557
01:06:27,639 --> 01:06:29,360
Much but with that being, said AS i mentioned at

1558
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,679
the top of The fears, THING i would have just

1559
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,280
Taken Derek queen a number because SO i look At,

1560
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,679
FEARS i think he can end up being a GOOD nba,

1561
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,559
Player BUT i don't look at like that wasn't a

1562
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:41,679
can't miss prospect to. Me BUT i also try to

1563
01:06:41,719 --> 01:06:45,480
recognize that those prototypes of players like, that And I'm

1564
01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:47,599
i'm not comparing him necessarily any of, them but like

1565
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,239
even A. Rj, barrett who's probably a more dynamic and

1566
01:06:50,239 --> 01:06:52,840
bigger form of that type of. Player but like The Cam,

1567
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:57,599
thomases The Jalen, greens like those players just really aren't

1568
01:06:57,639 --> 01:06:59,480
my cup of. Tea So i'm trying to like my

1569
01:06:59,559 --> 01:07:01,559
bias creeping in. THERE i think, AGAIN i Think Jeremi

1570
01:07:01,639 --> 01:07:03,760
fears can be an IMPACTFUL nba. Player If i'm The

1571
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,880
pelicans and my intention was to be good this, SEASON

1572
01:07:07,639 --> 01:07:10,440
i wouldn't have been viewed incorporating two lottery picks as

1573
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,159
a priority number one and then. Two Like Derek queen

1574
01:07:14,239 --> 01:07:15,760
is just going to be a BETTER nba player to,

1575
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,920
Me and there was look slopping has permeated everything he.

1576
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,199
DID i think that the turnovers would get better if

1577
01:07:21,199 --> 01:07:24,239
he had more, chemistry but also just like the passes

1578
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,639
come a be too. Late he has when you look

1579
01:07:26,679 --> 01:07:29,480
at how big he, Is, yes the handle is, good

1580
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:31,800
but it's also like too far out in front of

1581
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:33,639
him and he will just sometimes and he would just

1582
01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:36,239
dribble like right through traffic or try to and it's

1583
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,760
not going it's not going to go well spoiler, alert

1584
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,480
but Man grant like he just has. FEEL i, KNOW

1585
01:07:42,519 --> 01:07:44,719
i hate throwing out that word BECAUSE i KNOW i don't.

1586
01:07:44,719 --> 01:07:47,639
Speaker 2: APPALL i love talking about feel so that it's LIKE

1587
01:07:47,679 --> 01:07:49,880
i know when you see, It so point to talk

1588
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:53,719
to me about like a play or two that gave

1589
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:57,599
you that sense of, like, oh he's like he's got

1590
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,599
he's got. It he's got that intangible feeling like what

1591
01:08:00,719 --> 01:08:03,519
kinds of things was he doing that made that apparent to.

1592
01:08:03,559 --> 01:08:05,199
Speaker 3: You so there was the.

1593
01:08:05,159 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: GAME i think it was against THE i want to

1594
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,599
say it was The timberwolves. Game and so just like

1595
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,800
the way that he's able to work from the outsiding

1596
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,519
while using his live. Dribble, again if he's gonna get

1597
01:08:15,519 --> 01:08:18,279
some space there and it's he's going to throw passes

1598
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,199
from all over the, Floor and like the assists don't

1599
01:08:21,239 --> 01:08:22,960
really show. That again In Summer, LEAGUE i think he

1600
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,600
finished with seven assists through three, games which doesn't feel

1601
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,600
like a, lot but you can like see him just

1602
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,680
kind of scanning the, floor mapping the. Floor AND i

1603
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:37,199
think what's also encouraging that it's like the, jumper is

1604
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:39,079
he ever gonna be like someone who could like score

1605
01:08:39,119 --> 01:08:40,560
from the. PERIMETER i don't, know but he has some

1606
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,560
like pushot touch and like feathery touch around the. Basket

1607
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:45,239
but WHAT i think is a big deal is like

1608
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:46,840
he can move without the, ball and so if there

1609
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,239
was ever a pathway to like him working With Zion,

1610
01:08:49,239 --> 01:08:51,279
williams and it feels like that's it Because zion is

1611
01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:53,560
just if he's gonna work without the, ball whether it's

1612
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,359
gonna be like a cut in Or canny's green and,

1613
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,520
Roll LIKE i Think Derek queen can just do a

1614
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,479
lot more different things away from the ball when it

1615
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,800
comes with more of that limited range again that you

1616
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:07,680
get From Zion williamson as. Well so between that and

1617
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,680
just like knowing how to carve out the opportunities for.

1618
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,159
Himselves AND i think you look at his best scoring

1619
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:16,199
performance came and what was his final outing against The.

1620
01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:19,600
Trailblazers he had seventeen, points again only on five of eleven.

1621
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,399
Shooting the thing that really stuck out to me is

1622
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,000
just that he will move at kind of his own

1623
01:09:25,039 --> 01:09:28,000
cadence and like he will wait out the defense to

1624
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,520
get to like what he's going to need to maybe

1625
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,000
get to his spots or he's going to be able

1626
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,720
to score with kind of like different sleights of. Hand

1627
01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:36,600
and then also if you're looking for As i'm just,

1628
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,479
like you, know, throwing, dumping vomiting all my notes out,

1629
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,880
here if you're looking for hope that, oh like maybe

1630
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,119
he has some expanded range seven of eight from the

1631
01:09:44,119 --> 01:09:46,000
foul line in that, game and as someone that has

1632
01:09:46,039 --> 01:09:48,399
the body to draw, fouls there might be a does

1633
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:49,520
he play explosive?

1634
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 3: Enough he?

1635
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: Is this is the thing we did not know. Yet

1636
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:55,359
he is very much as groundbound as. Advertised it doesn't

1637
01:09:55,359 --> 01:09:57,119
seem like it's gonna prevent him from being a double

1638
01:09:57,119 --> 01:09:58,760
double machine, though WHICH i think is going to be

1639
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,960
valuable on the. Glo and just like specifically as someone

1640
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,119
if he's going to be off the ball or just,

1641
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:06,560
looking maybe it's gonna come off his own misses like

1642
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,800
that dude is gonna figure out ways to make an

1643
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,359
impact on the offense offensive glass as, well like so

1644
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,560
long as The pelicans are going to let. Him and

1645
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,119
SO i came away just there's a lot of rawness

1646
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:18,880
here for, Sure but LIKE i came away, thinking all,

1647
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,840
RIGHT i get why The pelicans wanted him so, badly

1648
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,119
but it it made me even more curious as to

1649
01:10:24,119 --> 01:10:26,279
why he just wasn't their pick at number.

1650
01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 2: Seven got? It, okay so he's a bench, too because

1651
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,399
you're not sending him down obviously in the starting, lineup.

1652
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 3: Is, WELL i mean the way mec played in summer.

1653
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,079
Speaker 1: LEAGUE i mean maybe you just, started But i'm, yeah

1654
01:10:35,159 --> 01:10:37,560
He's meci's good and he has THE nba. Reps and,

1655
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,960
also this is a question for, you what does it?

1656
01:10:41,039 --> 01:10:45,560
Do so like twelve week reevaluation period That's, october, Right

1657
01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:48,560
like what do you so you're not gonna be ready

1658
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:49,039
for training?

1659
01:10:49,079 --> 01:10:52,079
Speaker 3: Camp is? It how do you how do you? Integrate?

1660
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,520
Speaker 1: Well, guy then he's not gonna get reps really like

1661
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,359
with those training camp, reps with the with the with the.

1662
01:10:57,399 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 2: TEAM i, mean maybe he does get a few weeks

1663
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,760
in The jillie for that. Reason not to say that

1664
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,319
that's where he's gonna be, stuck but like maybe that's

1665
01:11:05,359 --> 01:11:07,319
the move where you, know if he's if he's like

1666
01:11:07,359 --> 01:11:10,960
a field player and he he might need that ramp up.

1667
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,880
TIME i, MEAN i given the, INVESTMENT i would want

1668
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:18,359
him in the rotation. Asap, uh just BECAUSE i want

1669
01:11:18,359 --> 01:11:22,520
to know WHAT i have here in competition that. Counts but,

1670
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,520
yeah maybe THE G league is where you start him

1671
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,600
just to just you, know you start you you're on

1672
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,159
the ball all the. Time let's kind of let you

1673
01:11:29,319 --> 01:11:31,439
get all the way back and then then your role

1674
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:32,800
shrinks probably when you make it.

1675
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,159
Speaker 3: UP i do think maybe it wouldn't be right, away

1676
01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:36,359
BUT i think if they put him in THE G

1677
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,239
league that he's just gonna make it kind of a.

1678
01:11:38,319 --> 01:11:40,359
Farce that would be my. GUESS i, mean.

1679
01:11:40,199 --> 01:11:42,079
Speaker 2: That'd be a great outcome if that's what, happens if

1680
01:11:42,119 --> 01:11:44,479
he's in THE G. League all, right let's jump To.

1681
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:48,960
Minnesota we Have Johann Baron. Jay tell me all about,

1682
01:11:49,079 --> 01:11:53,239
This uh this, Frenchman i'm gonna Guess.

1683
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm honestly surprised that they haven't Traded Rudy gobert already

1684
01:11:58,039 --> 01:11:59,760
because they just Have we only get?

1685
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 2: One is? That what is that there's a quota On french.

1686
01:12:03,039 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 1: Centers, uh there's not a quota On french, centers but

1687
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,079
there's a quota on like how many minutes are available

1688
01:12:09,119 --> 01:12:11,079
in a, game and so you can't Play Baron jay

1689
01:12:11,119 --> 01:12:11,760
forty eight.

1690
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 3: Minutes Deserves, yeah got?

1691
01:12:14,039 --> 01:12:18,079
Speaker 1: It so, man this is for someone who's just like

1692
01:12:18,399 --> 01:12:21,079
clearly a. Project he was like kind of a lot

1693
01:12:21,119 --> 01:12:24,520
more polished THAN i, Thought like he might already have

1694
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,680
better hands Than Rudy. Gobert AND i evened, it.

1695
01:12:28,039 --> 01:12:33,520
Speaker 2: You AND i are better hands Than Rudy, Gobert Like i'm, SORRY.

1696
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,039
Speaker 1: I definitely do not. THERE i think it was his first.

1697
01:12:36,079 --> 01:12:38,439
Game some people were saying it was, seven others were

1698
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,199
saying it was. Six some are saying it was two.

1699
01:12:40,199 --> 01:12:41,920
Trillion he just had like that many.

1700
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:43,319
Speaker 3: Blocks like.

1701
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 1: INSANE i think that the defensive activity he's gonna hold

1702
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,039
up on the, perimeter the shot blocking instincts are. There

1703
01:12:50,079 --> 01:12:52,680
you probably if he's gonna rumble with like some of

1704
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:54,880
the burlier, bigs you want him to get. Stronger BUT

1705
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,680
i Think Rudy gobert is a really good case study

1706
01:12:57,680 --> 01:12:59,800
in like this is someone who could get strong with

1707
01:13:00,199 --> 01:13:03,239
having to be like too, bulky so that bodes well for.

1708
01:13:03,319 --> 01:13:06,520
Speaker 3: Him he did foul a lot at some points.

1709
01:13:06,119 --> 01:13:08,079
Speaker 1: At Summer league, Festivities LIKE i, mean you get ten,

1710
01:13:08,119 --> 01:13:08,880
fouls why not use?

1711
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,399
Speaker 3: Him it's kind of HOW i.

1712
01:13:10,319 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: FEEL i will, say because you, look he has their

1713
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:17,680
traditional big man's skill, set so his offensive impact can

1714
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:22,840
get like really muted for large swaths of, time but like,

1715
01:13:23,319 --> 01:13:25,920
man he can dunk everything if you want him, to

1716
01:13:26,119 --> 01:13:28,239
and then he'll dunk some more after. THAT i thought

1717
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:29,960
he did a good job even when he wasn't the

1718
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:33,399
primary screener positioning himself in the. Floor it's either where

1719
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,840
you could score from the dunker spot or you're gonna

1720
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,840
help out on the offensive. GLASS i mentioned the hands,

1721
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,720
thing AND i know he doesn't like have, range BUT

1722
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,680
i don't remember the. GAME i think it was maybe

1723
01:13:46,079 --> 01:13:48,079
his first game where he had all those blocks against The,

1724
01:13:48,079 --> 01:13:51,279
Pelicans like he just busted out a push shot and

1725
01:13:51,319 --> 01:13:51,800
so just.

1726
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 3: Like that's Like.

1727
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 1: Rudy you don't Trust Rudy gobert to take push. Shots

1728
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,720
So i'm not saying that he's gonna Replace Rudy. Gobert

1729
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,279
but this is someone now that you kind of look

1730
01:13:59,279 --> 01:14:01,119
at the big man say situation. THERE i Know Julius

1731
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:03,359
randall nas reed and and go, bear but.

1732
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:05,119
Speaker 3: Like you might be able to soak up some.

1733
01:14:05,119 --> 01:14:08,319
Speaker 1: Minutes that would be my prediction IS i Think Johan

1734
01:14:08,399 --> 01:14:11,119
bearonjay is gonna log more regular season minutes with the

1735
01:14:11,159 --> 01:14:13,600
Actual Minnesota timberwolves than you would.

1736
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,399
Speaker 2: Expect, okay, well then he's a he's clearly a bench, then,

1737
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:18,359
right LIKE i was THINKING G league for, sure BUT

1738
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:19,159
i mean even.

1739
01:14:19,079 --> 01:14:22,119
Speaker 1: You probably should you throw him by if we're being honest,

1740
01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:23,960
Though like should you throw him in THE G league

1741
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:24,800
to like get those?

1742
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 2: REPS i mean, yeah but like if if The wolves

1743
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,359
aren't and have never really been that high on playing

1744
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:36,279
McDaniels at the, FOUR i, mean maybe there's room up,

1745
01:14:36,319 --> 01:14:38,960
there LIKE i, mean. Yeah the other thing, is, well,

1746
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,439
NO i Guess reid does enable some, things like you

1747
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,600
could play him With reid certainly if you can play

1748
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,439
Go beart With, reid so like, there maybe maybe it's

1749
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,840
not as as congested as as it might. Seem but

1750
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,720
given his youth and the and you look like The,

1751
01:14:54,039 --> 01:14:57,439
wolves if everybody's, healthy can keep a very good center

1752
01:14:57,479 --> 01:14:58,800
on one end of the floor or the other on

1753
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,039
the court for forty eight minutes Without Baron. Jay SO

1754
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:04,239
i would want to develop him down down in THE G.

1755
01:15:04,359 --> 01:15:07,039
League BUT i don't. Know you've got me excited about his.

1756
01:15:07,079 --> 01:15:09,520
Potential so you're very high on the rookies so. FAR

1757
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,359
i think that's a great. THING i think it's good

1758
01:15:11,359 --> 01:15:11,560
to be.

1759
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:13,319
Speaker 1: POSITIVE i, Mean i'm trying to focus on some of the,

1760
01:15:13,359 --> 01:15:14,920
weekends but it's just LIKE i don't want to trash.

1761
01:15:15,079 --> 01:15:17,760
There these are teenagers like and they're just they're Bringing

1762
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,159
chopper into these, games like immediately after having their lives

1763
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:23,000
wouldcome a whirlwind with not playing with people they're necessarily familiar.

1764
01:15:23,079 --> 01:15:25,880
WITH i will say kind of similar but less so

1765
01:15:26,359 --> 01:15:29,600
To malawatch with The. Suns when you look at the

1766
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:33,079
playmakers that are On minnesota's, team like the primary, ones

1767
01:15:33,079 --> 01:15:36,479
It's Anthy, edwards It's Julius, randall is whatever's left Of Mike.

1768
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:40,319
Conley and If Mike conley was, Capslock Mike conley perfect

1769
01:15:40,359 --> 01:15:42,319
situation for, him but as we kind of saw last.

1770
01:15:42,199 --> 01:15:43,199
Speaker 3: Year he's.

1771
01:15:43,239 --> 01:15:45,319
Speaker 1: Not and So i'm wondering in the same ways that

1772
01:15:45,319 --> 01:15:48,439
we could See gobert become an offensive, LIABILITY i DON'T

1773
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:50,479
i don't Think Baron jay is gonna have that same

1774
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,039
issue again when it comes to the, hands and he

1775
01:15:52,119 --> 01:15:54,199
might be able to to make defense his guests a

1776
01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:56,439
little bit more in the middle of the, floor BUT

1777
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:58,479
i just don't know that they like. It there's gonna

1778
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:00,079
be a lot BECAUSE i don't Think Julius randall is.

1779
01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:04,880
It there's going to be a lot like On Anthony edwards's.

1780
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,279
Shoulders if, this If Baron jay is going to work

1781
01:16:07,319 --> 01:16:09,760
out in The New yar term Or Rob dillingham of,

1782
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,800
course BUT i don't even know If Rob dillingham isn't

1783
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:13,119
necessarily that type of playmaker.

1784
01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:16,520
Speaker 2: Yet, WELL i mean The wolves would certainly like to

1785
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,760
have him become. That, okay, Great so he's a he's

1786
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,079
a probably bench but possibly BORDERLINE g.

1787
01:16:22,199 --> 01:16:23,399
Speaker 3: League he should, be he should BE g.

1788
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,239
Speaker 1: LEAGUE i Think i'll say we're gonna get to some.

1789
01:16:25,279 --> 01:16:26,960
GUYS i promise that we won't be spending as much

1790
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:30,119
time on because Although i'm, UPSET i wanted to see

1791
01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:32,960
more Of Cedric coward and we obviously couldn't because of the.

1792
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 2: Injury so a very important player based on The, grizzlies

1793
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,079
like The Derek queen move like kind of is the

1794
01:16:40,079 --> 01:16:42,119
one everyone talks. About The grizzlies also moved up for.

1795
01:16:42,199 --> 01:16:44,680
Him we're not gonna talk about. Him tell me About Javon.

1796
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 3: Small CAN i talk About Jayleen wells?

1797
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,119
Speaker 2: Instead really?

1798
01:16:49,159 --> 01:16:49,279
Speaker 3: Good?

1799
01:16:49,399 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we you already. Did, actually so can we

1800
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,960
talk About Jillen wills twice in the same? Podcast?

1801
01:16:55,039 --> 01:16:55,239
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1802
01:16:55,279 --> 01:16:58,119
Speaker 1: So He so he played in On july fifth Against

1803
01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:00,399
Oklahoma City thunder and then didn't take The floorgain Until

1804
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:03,560
july seventeenth versus The Atlanta. HAWKS i will Say, GRANT

1805
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,039
i thought he was worth the. Way, surprise, Surprise i'm pretty.

1806
01:17:06,119 --> 01:17:08,520
High but he dropped seventeen points in that game Against

1807
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:10,840
atlanta to go along with five assists and five. Rebounds

1808
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,479
it just incorporated a little bit of. Everything like he

1809
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,520
had the, scoring had some pull, ups had some step,

1810
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:18,039
backs the ability to get to his floater dimes in

1811
01:17:18,079 --> 01:17:21,279
the pocket and on. Kickouts he had a really nice

1812
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:24,439
and decisive baseline. Drive there was even some off ball

1813
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:28,319
movement from. Him he's six', to one, so, that like

1814
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,720
his utility can devolve. Pretty QUICKLY and i don't Know

1815
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,399
if memphis is built to, insulate him especially if you're

1816
01:17:34,399 --> 01:17:39,039
gonna Lean On cedric coward AND everything, i like and You, Have,

1817
01:17:39,119 --> 01:17:41,079
jaalen like do they have the defense to? Insulate him

1818
01:17:41,079 --> 01:17:43,000
it's just my IS what i would want. To know,

1819
01:17:43,039 --> 01:17:45,119
and Now Like desmond baine's, not there so like You Have.

1820
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:48,000
KNAVIOUS calopope i forgot about him for, a minute but

1821
01:17:48,119 --> 01:17:49,720
like it seems like they might be able to just

1822
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,479
find these guys that can do a bunch of little,

1823
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,319
different things but who are also not as big as

1824
01:17:54,319 --> 01:17:56,199
you would like Them Like Scotti pippen junior would be

1825
01:17:56,199 --> 01:17:57,720
another EXAMPLE where i know we don't have as big

1826
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,239
of a problem with but it's JUST so i think

1827
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:02,720
that he's could BE an. NBA player i, don't know

1828
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:04,680
like HE'S A g league guy, to me if like

1829
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:06,960
in all For, the grizzlies but like THERE is i

1830
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,119
would call it like he has the works about him

1831
01:18:09,159 --> 01:18:11,520
or maybe there's not like this elite, marketable skill but

1832
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:13,920
he can do a bunch of. DIFFERENT things i just,

1833
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,760
don't know like do you viuse someone who like could

1834
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,039
be six to one and do some things off the

1835
01:18:19,039 --> 01:18:21,840
ball on offense like as and He's not he's not

1836
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:24,439
gonna have like the super Just like debt native. Speed

1837
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:27,640
either but he's he's just. He's solid but He's Not Scottie.

1838
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:32,239
Pippen junior, On DEFENSE he's i, will say he's probably is.

1839
01:18:32,279 --> 01:18:34,159
Speaker 3: Gonna be Better Than john moran. On defense let's not

1840
01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:34,520
get into.

1841
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:41,159
Speaker 2: That conversation let's instead get Into Uh. Jimi mayshak he.

1842
01:18:41,239 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 3: Was, also grant you, KNOW what i have some things

1843
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:44,000
to say.

1844
01:18:44,039 --> 01:18:46,600
Speaker 1: About him he was he was, all right the kids are,

1845
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,000
All Right, Oh, grant look WE gotta i think our first.

1846
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 3: There's his button work.

1847
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,359
Speaker 2: OUR first i don't know if. It, does hey there.

1848
01:18:52,399 --> 01:18:52,680
We go.

1849
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 1: IT might i think you two takes like seventy percent,

1850
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,479
of it so showy YouTube or something. Like that thank

1851
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,199
you an. Actual cloud that was very kind, of you

1852
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:01,960
and you're always tuning into the. Live streams you really.

1853
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,159
Appreciate it WHO am i talking about?

1854
01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 2: Right now he's talking about the one And Only. Jami.

1855
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:09,560
Speaker 1: Mayshack YEAH so i think he's a starter in this

1856
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,640
league right off. THE bat i actually didn't think that

1857
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:14,880
he was going to get his, own blurb but it

1858
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,600
feels wrong to ignore someone who plays at the cross

1859
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,319
section of the flash. And substance there's another guy who's gonna,

1860
01:19:21,359 --> 01:19:23,000
come in like the jumper came.

1861
01:19:23,039 --> 01:19:24,119
Speaker 3: And went that HAPPENS In.

1862
01:19:24,199 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 1: G league i think logging so much time on ball

1863
01:19:27,119 --> 01:19:28,880
up to the. Erranty factor when you look at how his,

1864
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,840
turnovers came he still looked at home pacing the offense

1865
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,279
in transition and coming around screens when.

1866
01:19:34,199 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 3: He would get those.

1867
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:38,600
Speaker 1: Ball screens more of a secondary creator. TYPE thing i, will,

1868
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:40,039
say though the fact that he could do that and

1869
01:19:40,039 --> 01:19:43,600
then defend his Ass Off grant man like he can

1870
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,439
guard some wings and so both the ball pressure and

1871
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:48,239
then just the help that he would provide in, driving

1872
01:19:48,279 --> 01:19:52,159
lanes including forcing. Some turnovers he can, tested jumpers he can.

1873
01:19:52,159 --> 01:19:55,359
TESTED layups i would describe the way that he plays

1874
01:19:55,399 --> 01:19:57,359
on defense when he doesn't have to zero win on.

1875
01:19:57,359 --> 01:20:00,359
One thing it's with like a control the. End in

1876
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:02,680
and this is someone who's, BLOCK rate i would guess

1877
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:03,760
is going to belie.

1878
01:20:04,039 --> 01:20:07,399
Speaker 3: His size he's listed at. SIX three i like he

1879
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,000
looking At, the grizzlies he's probably a. G leaguer but

1880
01:20:10,119 --> 01:20:12,840
at the, Same, time uh he's SOMEONE who i think

1881
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,079
has like the qualities of a real.

1882
01:20:14,079 --> 01:20:17,039
Speaker 2: BENCH player, i Mean the grizzlies kind of do, this

1883
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:19,399
right like, you Know The vince williams is And The

1884
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:21,960
gig jackson's And, the pippins and like they kind of

1885
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,159
do pick these guys out. Pretty EFFECTIVELY so, i think

1886
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,279
if all things, being equal you probably should Assume that

1887
01:20:28,319 --> 01:20:30,359
mayshack has a little more than that.

1888
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: YOU might i have a, question THOUGH and i guess

1889
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,000
it comes with the caveat, Of Oh john uran's probably

1890
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:36,760
gonna miss. Some time do they have like any guard

1891
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:40,039
minutes to, go around like if they wanted, TO experiment.

1892
01:20:41,039 --> 01:20:43,239
Speaker 2: I mean you're going to force me to remember who,

1893
01:20:43,279 --> 01:20:45,279
they signed because they. Definitely, did oh They Got. Ti

1894
01:20:45,399 --> 01:20:46,359
jerome THAT'S what, I Have.

1895
01:20:46,399 --> 01:20:47,079
Speaker 3: Ti jerome THEY.

1896
01:20:47,079 --> 01:20:49,399
Speaker 1: Have kcp and so it's JUST like i, don't like

1897
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,960
do youse FEEL Like g? League GUYS and i mean

1898
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:55,199
that's one, that's fine, BUT yeah i think.

1899
01:20:55,079 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 2: These guys are BOTH Clearly g league with with maybe

1900
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,720
some opportunity to play if if and when. Gets hurt

1901
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,000
And the grizzlies, they're like can we Were Given ty

1902
01:21:03,079 --> 01:21:05,399
jerome forty minutes a? Night now like that's you know

1903
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,720
that you're gonna want some backups there. For, SURE yeah i.

1904
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:12,359
Don't know maybe not the, best situation, but again because

1905
01:21:12,359 --> 01:21:14,359
this Is the grizzlies and for all, their flaws like

1906
01:21:14,399 --> 01:21:17,119
they do kind of find guys like this that have

1907
01:21:17,159 --> 01:21:17,800
a little more than.

1908
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 1: You, think yeah and then so maybe it's also like as,

1909
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,800
SOME guy, i mean Was It Scottie pippen junior on

1910
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:24,079
the books for like ever there was like some of

1911
01:21:24,119 --> 01:21:27,039
these guys might get, more expensive but He's, Someone look

1912
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,119
i'm just, very loosey like if you were, looking, for

1913
01:21:30,359 --> 01:21:33,039
oh could there be LIKE a kcp replacement if they

1914
01:21:33,039 --> 01:21:35,079
ever used his salary to get like another type of

1915
01:21:35,119 --> 01:21:37,600
wing or something. Like that like maybe you could see

1916
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:40,800
him turning into at his, absolute peak that type of

1917
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,239
PLAYER with i don't know if he could could he

1918
01:21:43,319 --> 01:21:46,279
defend up, as WELL but i would, say probably like

1919
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:49,359
maybe with a little bit more juice as a creator,

1920
01:21:49,399 --> 01:21:51,760
on offense but not the same level of SHOOTING that.

1921
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:56,039
Speaker 2: Cacp, provides okay, all right let's move To, the lakers,

1922
01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:00,199
And uh i'm just gonna Assume that luca recruited this,

1923
01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:02,199
guy too because that's the narrative, right now that he

1924
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:04,960
goes and just. Gets People arthur kaluma tell me.

1925
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 1: About him he, Was fine like this is like the

1926
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:09,399
ONE where, i like you look at him and he

1927
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,640
laid THE blueprint i think for sticking at. This level

1928
01:22:13,039 --> 01:22:15,680
in that win Over the pelicans THAT was i don't

1929
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,600
remember what day, that was but he hit two threes

1930
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,119
from the corners and like that would be the swing

1931
01:22:19,159 --> 01:22:21,439
swing skill him doing that and running. The floor he

1932
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:25,239
even threw down like a pretty powerful drunk in transition during.

1933
01:22:25,279 --> 01:22:27,880
That game though grant he ALSO as i my foot

1934
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:29,479
slip on my little stool, right here.

1935
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:33,039
Speaker 3: He racked up, a fouls which you don't get. A

1936
01:22:33,119 --> 01:22:34,000
faults it's.

1937
01:22:34,039 --> 01:22:35,239
Speaker 2: Too many that's.

1938
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:39,279
Speaker 1: Too many so there's JUST like i feel like he

1939
01:22:39,319 --> 01:22:41,760
should have more defensive range than he should or because

1940
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,600
if you're gonna test his, defensive range there's going to

1941
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:45,159
be those types.

1942
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 3: OF instances i will say the.

1943
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 1: Fouling was not a, reoccurring issue so there. Is THAT

1944
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,960
and i think it's easy to appreciate the times in

1945
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:54,880
which he was getting beat and then trying to be,

1946
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:56,319
hyper aggressive.

1947
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 3: Like and that's that's what. Was happening SO like i like.

1948
01:22:58,199 --> 01:23:01,520
Speaker 1: THAT energy I just i, don't know he just he's

1949
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,159
kind of for for someone who scales, is like, all

1950
01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:06,119
right it's gonna be maybe this wing type player.

1951
01:23:06,239 --> 01:23:08,039
Speaker 3: Or forward you don't want him to get caught.

1952
01:23:08,079 --> 01:23:10,399
Speaker 1: OFF footed i think as much as, he did he

1953
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,479
was also just kind of stumbling into people when he

1954
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:15,600
was going. For, REBOUNDS look i don't know what the

1955
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,039
expectations are, for here but like this is it would

1956
01:23:18,039 --> 01:23:18,520
be g leak.

1957
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,359
Speaker 3: For Sure the lakers found a diamond in the rough.

1958
01:23:21,399 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 2: Type deal sounds like. A, leaguer, okay well let's look

1959
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,199
to THE other. La team this Is, the clippers and

1960
01:23:26,359 --> 01:23:29,159
This Is Yannick conan NIEDERHAUSER and i am right now

1961
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:33,399
officially filing a motion that he needs to become Y

1962
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:36,279
k N because i think there's like one or two

1963
01:23:36,399 --> 01:23:40,079
fewer letters Than Shake gilles, alexander's name and it's close

1964
01:23:40,199 --> 01:23:42,680
enough that if he CAN, BE sga i think a

1965
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:46,199
guy with this this many consonants of valves can just BE.

1966
01:23:46,399 --> 01:23:48,039
Y kN i'm gonna see if it STICKS.

1967
01:23:49,159 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 3: Y kN that sounds like some type of like a

1968
01:23:51,319 --> 01:23:54,000
LIKE like Y two k. Type deal the.

1969
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 2: Can we Work in maybe we can PLAY off Y

1970
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,479
two k a little. Bit somehow it's just to keep

1971
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:04,600
the references. Really timely. That's important so we can. Do

1972
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:09,800
that tell me? About him Have the clippers further deepened

1973
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,560
what is already one of the deepest front court rotations in.

1974
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 1: The league they, might have but it's not gonna be

1975
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:17,680
anytime soon like a START bench.

1976
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 3: G league THIS is g league.

1977
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:22,199
Speaker 1: For them there was just so he had the In

1978
01:24:22,199 --> 01:24:24,520
the july fourteenth winner Of, the lakers he had ten

1979
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,239
points on five or nine shooting that like. Saw him

1980
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:29,439
he kind of had he like he can dunk what

1981
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:32,520
he really, wants to and he caught one in which

1982
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:36,159
it was just like unexpected pass and transition and he

1983
01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:38,520
was able to use two dribbles to clear half, the

1984
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,800
floor like go the length of half the floor and just.

1985
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,760
DUNK it i think that that was the road map like,

1986
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,359
that game like the snapshot of it was how he

1987
01:24:46,359 --> 01:24:50,079
can make an impact. On offense and, it's yeah you

1988
01:24:50,079 --> 01:24:51,920
could test out his three, point TOUCH but i don't

1989
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,119
know that we need to. Just yet he can run

1990
01:24:54,119 --> 01:24:56,159
the floor like hell and good things is going to

1991
01:24:56,159 --> 01:24:58,560
happen when he. Does that but his aggression really waxed,

1992
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,520
and waned as did, his physicality as did his connection.

1993
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:04,520
On screens he's not the cleanest pass, catcher EITHER which

1994
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,399
i think is to be expected on. This uh But

1995
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:10,800
like niederaus was already pretty disruptive, on defense and there's

1996
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:14,199
like a like a very alluring element. To it he

1997
01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:16,119
had some really nice like contests on like when they

1998
01:25:16,119 --> 01:25:18,720
were inbounding. The ball it's hard to make entry passes,

1999
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:20,800
against him like if he's the guy like you're trying

2000
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:22,199
to get into the post and, he's there or if

2001
01:25:22,199 --> 01:25:23,760
he's guarding the guy who's trying to make the, entry

2002
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:24,880
pass so he's really.

2003
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:26,279
Speaker 3: Active THERE.

2004
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:31,560
Speaker 1: Like i don't know though that like like the, shot

2005
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:35,319
blocking like it's certainly there In This summer. League deview

2006
01:25:35,399 --> 01:25:37,199
but that was also another Thing that Wax. And wayne

2007
01:25:37,239 --> 01:25:38,800
the rebounding is going to need to be better than

2008
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,439
it Was in, Vegas specifically and it was just he

2009
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:44,199
didn't he was too nonchalant about trying to gather position

2010
01:25:44,239 --> 01:25:46,520
in too many of, those instances or didn't feel like

2011
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:48,800
he was trying to go up with urgency because is

2012
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:51,479
he so used to just like being bigger and better

2013
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,800
like of all these people him sets in, the chat

2014
01:25:54,920 --> 01:26:00,720
elderly people And ykn So what, I'm interested it's, just

2015
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:03,760
like so you mentioned their big man, depth here he

2016
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,439
kind of like You Have, john collins someone who could

2017
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:09,239
space the floor and be used as like this athletic

2018
01:26:09,279 --> 01:26:11,800
guy play above. The rim you Have A vita zubats

2019
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:16,439
who is like the cross section of brutality and finesse

2020
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:18,680
at the. Same time and then You Have brook lopez

2021
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:21,399
who's just like doesn't have the best physical tools but

2022
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,000
knows how to make it work. On defense stretched his

2023
01:26:24,119 --> 01:26:25,800
range down to the three, point line but there was

2024
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:29,800
some dynamism like below. The arc he kind of like

2025
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,039
to be learning or practicing against all of those guys,

2026
01:26:33,039 --> 01:26:33,760
at once or have.

2027
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 3: THEM there i think could be.

2028
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 1: Really beneficial to HIM because i don't know what his long,

2029
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:42,359
term bag so, to speak on offense. Will be but

2030
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:44,680
you have the full gamut of like you need to learn,

2031
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:46,800
screen Setting Like john collins And A vita zubats.

2032
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:47,720
Speaker 3: Right there you're looking to stretch.

2033
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:50,359
Speaker 1: Your Range brook Lopez And john collins are, Right there

2034
01:26:50,399 --> 01:26:52,880
like you're looking to someone who's gonna be more aggressive on, the, glass,

2035
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,239
Like Oh viza zubas is. Right there and also just

2036
01:26:55,279 --> 01:26:58,399
someone with this size Because Of vita zubach one of

2037
01:26:58,399 --> 01:26:59,680
the things that he probably still doesn't receive.

2038
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:01,119
Speaker 3: Enough FOR and i know he got some.

2039
01:27:01,119 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 1: Defensive player that, you love like this, past year like

2040
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:06,560
the way he moves, his feet just like not in

2041
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,479
a Way That john Collinson brook lopez is ever. GONNA

2042
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:10,319
do i think it's cool That now i'm gonna call

2043
01:27:10,399 --> 01:27:11,279
him Y kN now you.

2044
01:27:11,319 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 3: Did it You, Know needenhauser that's what that's what it.

2045
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,399
Speaker 1: Stands for but why Hy km like he's in a

2046
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,800
good situation of just like all these different archetypal bigs

2047
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:21,920
that maybe he can pull.

2048
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:24,520
Speaker 2: STUFF from, i mean if and if it isn't that

2049
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,800
at least he's getting exposed to all those different play

2050
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,359
styles that he has to, Guard right like he's gonna

2051
01:27:30,399 --> 01:27:36,000
see almost everything that he could imagine. In, practice yeah.

2052
01:27:36,079 --> 01:27:38,119
In practice so like maybe the move is you have

2053
01:27:38,199 --> 01:27:41,119
him up as as much as you can just because

2054
01:27:41,159 --> 01:27:43,600
practice might be valuable or, JUST yeah I think i

2055
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,239
think it's it's a bad situation because there's a million

2056
01:27:46,239 --> 01:27:47,720
really good players in front. Of him it's a good

2057
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:50,560
situation because it's a. Learning environment and at this stage of,

2058
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:52,319
his career it seems to me like you're saying he's

2059
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:53,560
very much in the like. Learning.

2060
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:57,239
Speaker 1: Phase, STILL yeah I mean i was more intrigued by

2061
01:27:57,319 --> 01:28:00,119
HIM than I thought i would be floored to he

2062
01:28:00,199 --> 01:28:02,079
plays like any sort of role IN the nba for

2063
01:28:02,119 --> 01:28:02,880
his first two, years.

2064
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:07,159
Speaker 2: Though gotcha let's Move. To Houston the rockets have one.

2065
01:28:07,159 --> 01:28:10,239
Player here we're gonna discuss the best name of anyone we're,

2066
01:28:10,279 --> 01:28:13,399
GONNA talk i, mean Other Unless young hansom becomes his,

2067
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:16,000
official name like if he gets if he changes, it

2068
01:28:16,079 --> 01:28:19,359
Legally young hansom would be. The Best but Adnna's arms uh,

2069
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,960
just tremendous. Tremendous name if you knew Nothing about, adonna's

2070
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:26,159
arms you would assume he was a, really rugged. Positionless.

2071
01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:28,239
Defender uh tell me how close.

2072
01:28:28,279 --> 01:28:30,159
Speaker 1: That is so here's the, thing IS if i had

2073
01:28:30,199 --> 01:28:32,199
A Greate sumer, league performance he GETS an f because

2074
01:28:32,239 --> 01:28:33,520
someone with his name should have.

2075
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 3: Bigger biceps, NO.

2076
01:28:35,159 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 2: Yeah i mean because they're Adult like. Adonnas's arms it's,

2077
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:39,560
just like what is?

2078
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:43,239
Speaker 1: He doing but, THE defense, i mean it's basically everything.

2079
01:28:43,279 --> 01:28:45,760
You said and so he has the potential to guard

2080
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,520
up and then he will get into. Passing lanes he

2081
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:52,199
is blanketing in one on. One situations he's also like

2082
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:54,920
bumping him, off course like if you are bigger, than

2083
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,319
him or you have the size of the, physicality advantage

2084
01:28:57,319 --> 01:28:58,960
like you can't use your shoulder to get off.

2085
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 3: That guy screening him as going to be.

2086
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:05,640
Speaker 1: EXTRA difficult i like there might be sometimes where he'll

2087
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:07,600
get caught up and zeroing in on one thing, Too

2088
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:09,279
OFTEN but I think i'd live with that trade off

2089
01:29:09,319 --> 01:29:11,920
given his just like, the effect like he can he

2090
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,880
can defensive playmake while also just if you if that's

2091
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:16,439
not what he's tasked, with doing if you need him

2092
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:18,439
to shut down someone away from, the ball he could do.

2093
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:20,920
THAT too i don't really know what he's gonna be on,

2094
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:24,239
Offense though like the jumper cannot. Be trusted he runs

2095
01:29:24,279 --> 01:29:26,680
into trouble when he's trying to change directions or when

2096
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,800
when his drives get, cut off it's liable to be.

2097
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:30,960
A DISASTER like i don't know he has the decision making.

2098
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:35,199
Capability yet his time With the, summer rockets like there

2099
01:29:35,319 --> 01:29:37,680
was some like, nice finishing but it was, mostly off

2100
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:41,640
like the straight line attacks and like some settled down approach.

2101
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:45,000
In TRANSITION but i don't like he needs to be

2102
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,119
more of, a passer like when he's gonna get DOWNHILL

2103
01:29:47,159 --> 01:29:48,399
for i think him to kind of stick at the,

2104
01:29:48,399 --> 01:29:50,840
next level and that's assuming like that the jumper gets

2105
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:54,479
a little. Bit BETTER so i would still classify HIM as.

2106
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:56,760
G league but it's just the types of guys that

2107
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:58,479
can come in and you're looking at them, and, it's.

2108
01:29:58,359 --> 01:30:00,640
Speaker 3: Oh they could. Really use the word rugged is like

2109
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:02,479
a really good way to describe what he can do.

2110
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:04,720
On defense it has like THE like.

2111
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 1: I see and he's twenty, seven too by, the way

2112
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:08,399
so this is not someone who has like a ton

2113
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:10,119
of ton. Of upside he's a ROOKIE and i think

2114
01:30:10,119 --> 01:30:12,159
he was eligibly drafted in twenty twenty one or.

2115
01:30:12,199 --> 01:30:14,159
Speaker 3: SOME shit i don't don't. Even remember. The year but

2116
01:30:14,359 --> 01:30:16,560
JUST like i appreciate like the wing sized guys who

2117
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:18,600
could defend all over, the place and that would Fit

2118
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:20,319
the rocket's motif, of, like yay we like.

2119
01:30:20,359 --> 01:30:22,359
Speaker 2: THOSE dudes i was, gonna say they have. A type

2120
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:24,960
that's definitely he's the right kind. Of, guy okay so

2121
01:30:25,079 --> 01:30:26,479
we have a.

2122
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:28,720
Speaker 3: Bonus thing, oh, good here.

2123
01:30:33,399 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 2: Tell me about tell Me About. Cocaine curry.

2124
01:30:37,079 --> 01:30:39,600
Speaker 3: So he's an honorary ROOKIE because i don't think that he.

2125
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,159
Played enough we're Talking About.

2126
01:30:41,159 --> 01:30:43,239
Speaker 2: Reed shepherd if you're, not, watching yeah.

2127
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:45,560
Speaker 1: For anyone who's if you're new and listening, TO this

2128
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:48,520
i kind of have a Thing For. REED shepherd i

2129
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:50,359
think a lot of, people do and he proved it

2130
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:52,279
during his brief summer. League stance That's a i'm, gonna

2131
01:30:52,279 --> 01:30:55,880
Say baby goat is going To Win Most, improved player

2132
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,720
might EVEN win mvp at. THIS rate i saw people

2133
01:30:58,760 --> 01:30:59,079
call him the.

2134
01:30:59,159 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 3: TAX man i don't really. Like that do you like

2135
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:03,199
THE tax I Like cocaine curry better because it looks like.

2136
01:31:03,239 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 2: An accountant is that what we're trying?

2137
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,319
Speaker 3: To, say, uh yeah THAT'S what i. WOULD assume i

2138
01:31:07,319 --> 01:31:09,880
didn't actually dig. INTO why i just don't he's not catchy. TO.

2139
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 1: Me ttm maybe we could abbreviate it. To, that YEAH

2140
01:31:13,159 --> 01:31:17,119
just i think He START Bencher g league, for. HIM grant,

2141
01:31:17,239 --> 01:31:18,199
i look He.

2142
01:31:18,359 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 2: The, rockets well But the rockets have done ALL three i.

2143
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 1: Guess, right uh he, impressed, ME though i think he's made,

2144
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:27,600
some strides like in terms of getting stronger and like,

2145
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:30,319
having uh like being able to survive on defense at

2146
01:31:30,319 --> 01:31:32,319
the point Where Hemy r dooka, is like that's not

2147
01:31:32,359 --> 01:31:33,720
going to be the excuse not to. Play him at,

2148
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,600
this point the efficiency was all over, the place but

2149
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:38,159
he could still get to, his SPOTS and i think

2150
01:31:38,279 --> 01:31:41,079
defenses are still gonna react when he gets going downhill

2151
01:31:41,079 --> 01:31:42,920
and if if he's moving off, the ball and just

2152
01:31:43,279 --> 01:31:45,840
if he gets to play Away from Alper and shangun,

2153
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:47,680
at POINTS like i think that's a connection that could

2154
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:49,720
really develop and the way the floor would, Open UP

2155
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:53,439
like i really want to See the Durant Shng Gun

2156
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:55,960
read shepherd lineups and maybe EVEN like i would play

2157
01:31:56,039 --> 01:31:57,880
him with Bred van, fleet TOO because i think that

2158
01:31:57,920 --> 01:31:59,960
puts him in like kind of the best offensive, environment

2159
01:32:00,319 --> 01:32:03,000
possible especially if you're looking for him to improve his

2160
01:32:03,039 --> 01:32:06,000
live yable playmaking and make his impact. That way, BUT

2161
01:32:06,079 --> 01:32:07,560
yeah i just want to throw him in THERE because

2162
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:08,640
i feel a.

2163
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:14,119
Speaker 2: LITTLE vindicated, i, MEAN look i would count myself As

2164
01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:16,960
among shepherd's, biggest FANS except i talked to you and

2165
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,479
you have. Me beat so but you might be number

2166
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:22,520
one outside Of the. Houston Area i'm i'm. With You

2167
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:26,079
though i'm excited, About him i'm not excited about the.

2168
01:32:26,079 --> 01:32:27,159
Next team He's not he's not.

2169
01:32:27,199 --> 01:32:29,600
Speaker 3: A rookie how many of those comments do you think we're?

2170
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:33,720
Speaker 2: GONNA get i, Don't, care ella do we? Have to

2171
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:38,079
let's Talk About alex, Tooey First Golden state warriors fifty

2172
01:32:38,119 --> 01:32:39,359
something if pick this in.

2173
01:32:39,399 --> 01:32:42,399
Speaker 1: THIS draft i would like to first shout Out The

2174
01:32:42,399 --> 01:32:45,159
Golden state warriors for actually having a summer, league TEAM

2175
01:32:45,159 --> 01:32:46,960
because i didn't think they were doing anything, this summer

2176
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:49,840
which included just like like not, signing guys not trading,

2177
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:51,239
for them not even participating in.

2178
01:32:51,279 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 3: Summer. League, uh look you you nailed the number fifty

2179
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:58,279
two pick last Year With. Quinton posts you didn't. DO

2180
01:32:58,319 --> 01:32:59,279
it i don't think you did It With.

2181
01:32:59,319 --> 01:33:01,600
Speaker 1: Alex tooey he build is sort of this and when

2182
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:03,279
you look and watch. IT'S okay i could see the

2183
01:33:03,319 --> 01:33:05,279
do at all skill set that everyone says that, he yes,

2184
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:09,239
and look he finished a couple of shots around, the

2185
01:33:09,279 --> 01:33:11,680
hoop and he proved a little bit pesky, on defense

2186
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:14,039
like the shots are gonna have to go in into

2187
01:33:14,039 --> 01:33:16,840
a higher, clip eventually and they never did for him

2188
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,239
Really In. Summer league he also seemed just like a

2189
01:33:19,239 --> 01:33:22,760
few beats slow in his worst. Defensive moments tracking the

2190
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:24,520
ball is just not, like no like he's gonna get

2191
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,319
beat back to where if that's going. To happen and

2192
01:33:26,319 --> 01:33:28,800
that's a recipe to not Play With, GOLDEN state i,

2193
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,279
WOULD argue i think he just needs to adjust to

2194
01:33:31,319 --> 01:33:33,239
the speed and physicality of. The game he actually did talk,

2195
01:33:33,279 --> 01:33:35,760
ABOUT that i think in one of. HIS interviews I

2196
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,960
just i DON'T It's g league, for sure if, IT'S

2197
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:39,560
anything i.

2198
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:42,039
Speaker 3: Don't know IF he's i don't know if HE'S an.

2199
01:33:42,119 --> 01:33:44,199
Speaker 1: NBA player i get the intrigue in the theory, of

2200
01:33:44,279 --> 01:33:45,279
HIM but i don't know if HE'S.

2201
01:33:45,279 --> 01:33:47,159
Speaker 2: THE nba i don't KNOW if i get the theory,

2202
01:33:47,199 --> 01:33:50,239
of HIM because, i just like, you know we're all

2203
01:33:50,279 --> 01:33:53,279
dealing with. Limited INFORMATION but i don't know if you,

2204
01:33:53,399 --> 01:33:56,479
noticed this but so many of his like draft, Hype

2205
01:33:57,319 --> 01:34:00,920
highlights i'm USING the i mean in, their highlight like

2206
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:03,640
he would jump a passing lane and get on a

2207
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:07,760
breakaway and just barely beat the trailing defensive to. The

2208
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:11,119
bucket it was, just like this guy's at an athletic disadvantage,

2209
01:34:11,159 --> 01:34:14,560
against UH non, Nba players and it just felt like

2210
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:18,800
that's just such a difficult starting point to go from

2211
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:22,720
where where you clearly are kind of like compromised just

2212
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:25,920
on a fundamental level based on how effectively you can

2213
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:28,439
move compared, to, like yeah it's compared to the best

2214
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:32,239
athletes in, the world but like good anticipation and decent

2215
01:34:32,319 --> 01:34:35,560
size will take you. So FAR but i just you

2216
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:37,560
watched MORE than, i did so. Correct ME but i

2217
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:41,439
just never thought, watching him even against, inferior competition, was,

2218
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:45,119
like oh this is a guy that, athletically belongs, you

2219
01:34:45,159 --> 01:34:47,600
know IN. THE nba i don't.

2220
01:34:47,399 --> 01:34:49,159
Speaker 3: Mean to bring it Back To, quinton post OR maybe.

2221
01:34:49,159 --> 01:34:49,720
I do that's.

2222
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:52,560
Speaker 1: OUR brand I wish i would you get the sense, of,

2223
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:56,119
Like Oh quentin post has a pathway to improving it

2224
01:34:56,279 --> 01:34:59,000
having a like carved out defensive role where it's even

2225
01:34:59,079 --> 01:35:01,920
just as maybe a base. AND protector i don't, Know

2226
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:05,319
what like there's some utility there because there's, there's malleability

2227
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:08,399
but it's just so often, just, like oh it's going

2228
01:35:08,399 --> 01:35:10,479
to end, Badly though and if it if it ended

2229
01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:13,399
badly so much against summer, league competition what is that

2230
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:16,520
gonna DO against g league competition or even AGAINST the

2231
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:19,560
nba competition once he. Gets there but again, he said

2232
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:23,520
because there were moments where he moved a, LOT faster

2233
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:25,800
i don't know if the physicality is ever gonna physicality

2234
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:26,279
is ever gonna.

2235
01:35:26,319 --> 01:35:27,279
Speaker 3: BE there i didn't see too much.

2236
01:35:27,279 --> 01:35:29,520
Speaker 1: Of that but if he has the ability to like

2237
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:32,800
turn the dial up a couple of notches when looking at, the,

2238
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:35,960
speed maybe, but yeah this is and what are you

2239
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:37,039
expecting in general?

2240
01:35:37,079 --> 01:35:37,680
Speaker 3: With it like it's.

2241
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,680
Speaker 1: A FLYER so i don't think it. Is right he's not.

2242
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:44,479
Some disaster we're not gonna talk about him on. This

2243
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:48,600
podcast but my answer, would be and maybe he shouldn't.

2244
01:35:49,039 --> 01:35:51,199
Speaker 2: GO ahead i was, gonna, Say well heine wants to

2245
01:35:51,279 --> 01:35:56,159
know who's This Year's. CODY williams i Would Posit. Cody Williams.

2246
01:35:56,159 --> 01:35:58,359
Speaker 1: Cody williams he Might Win Most improved, Player too we're

2247
01:35:58,359 --> 01:36:01,079
gonna Have Co Most improved. Player WINNER but i actually

2248
01:36:01,159 --> 01:36:02,960
think you could. Correct me if you think this is

2249
01:36:03,039 --> 01:36:05,399
just he wasn't drafted. HIGH enough i think it's gonna

2250
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:08,920
end up Being Like Casparis. Yoka, SCHONIS oh i.

2251
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:10,399
Speaker 2: Can't wait to talk to you. About him. We're not

2252
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:13,239
we're gonna get to him later. This week he's a

2253
01:36:13,239 --> 01:36:16,439
fascinating player. To me there was a goran dragic comp thrown,

2254
01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:18,279
out Early and i've never been able to. SHAKE it

2255
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:19,600
i could quit hard.

2256
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:21,520
Speaker 1: Enough and see it eventually, being there just a, quick

2257
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:24,520
OVERVIEW but i don't know it's gonna come to Be

2258
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,960
fair like his First Like summer league games before Getting

2259
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:29,960
to vegas were, pretty bad and he settled down, after

2260
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,520
that but like, the turnovers despite there were some heat

2261
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:34,479
fans that are made, me, saying well if you Watch

2262
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:37,359
like biggs couldn't. CATCH passes i was very much aware,

2263
01:36:37,399 --> 01:36:39,039
of THAT and i still thought that he's just like

2264
01:36:39,079 --> 01:36:42,600
it's not even audacious, decision making it's just actively ignorant,

2265
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:43,399
decision making is.

2266
01:36:43,399 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 3: What it kind of.

2267
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:47,119
Speaker 2: Feels, like uh let's talk About. WILL richard i guess

2268
01:36:47,159 --> 01:36:49,520
because we have to you like him even Less Than

2269
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:50,319
alex tooey is.

2270
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 1: My, takeaway NO actually i like him Better than ALEX

2271
01:36:54,119 --> 01:36:56,119
because i think he can defend AT the, NBA level

2272
01:36:56,199 --> 01:36:57,439
i just don't know what else he could do.

2273
01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:00,840
Speaker 3: On offense it's can he hit a? Set three we

2274
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:01,720
didn't see a lot of That In.

2275
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:03,399
Speaker 1: Summer league there was a take a game Against the

2276
01:37:03,399 --> 01:37:05,640
blazers where it. Looked better but is that going to

2277
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:09,279
BE like i just for someone who's listed at six,

2278
01:37:09,319 --> 01:37:10,920
TO four i, will say like if you told me

2279
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:12,640
he was guarding someone who was six seven or, six

2280
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:15,039
eight that wouldn't. Shock me so that would be like

2281
01:37:15,039 --> 01:37:17,039
the highest warm OF praise i could. Give HIM but

2282
01:37:17,079 --> 01:37:18,680
i didn't come away thinking that there was a clear

2283
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:21,439
pathway to him sticking on the, offensive end Where with

2284
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:23,439
twoey it almost feels like you. Flip it he has

2285
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:25,680
a lot of tool because you don't need to. NECESSARILY operate,

2286
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,239
i mean Look At kyle anderson Or Like, joe ingles

2287
01:37:28,279 --> 01:37:30,199
like you don't need to operate at blazing speeds to

2288
01:37:30,199 --> 01:37:33,239
be an effective. Offensive, player uh But will richard IS

2289
01:37:33,279 --> 01:37:36,600
just i don't know what his offensive signature is going

2290
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:38,760
to be if he was to stick in the stick IN.

2291
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:40,720
Speaker 3: The nba but we like guys.

2292
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:42,640
Speaker 1: WHO there i think there are people who have a

2293
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:46,479
soft spot for they have limitations, on offense but like

2294
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:48,640
they can just guard up like even though they're. Not

2295
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:50,960
cute but also that works against, him too because you're

2296
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:52,560
gonna run into matchups on the wing where, it's no

2297
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:54,920
you can't, do that like you Can't Throw will richard

2298
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:55,159
on an.

2299
01:37:55,159 --> 01:37:55,680
Speaker 3: Actual wing?

2300
01:37:56,239 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 2: Got? It okay so him and two we BOTH Are

2301
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:01,079
g league like at best probably, this, Point, RIGHT yeah

2302
01:38:01,199 --> 01:38:01,680
i think.

2303
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:03,720
Speaker 1: Did you just because you Are the, warriors guy did

2304
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:06,359
you have even just knowing the background, of them would

2305
01:38:06,399 --> 01:38:07,880
you have would you have thought it would have, been,

2306
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,520
Like oh i'm gonna come away feeling better About to E.

2307
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:14,199
Speaker 2: Than, richard no. NOT necessarily i was KIND of i

2308
01:38:14,279 --> 01:38:16,399
kind of viewed both of these picks as like, these

2309
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:20,079
ARE like, i said THESE Are g, league stashes top,

2310
01:38:20,239 --> 01:38:23,119
top end like. Good outcome just they'd never SEEMED like

2311
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:26,239
i Think the warriors are, you know, cost conscious and

2312
01:38:26,279 --> 01:38:29,039
they're also like they haven't Even Reassigned, gary payton so

2313
01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:31,319
like if he's not, coming BACK like, i mean that's

2314
01:38:31,359 --> 01:38:33,159
the guy that would just Play over richard in that

2315
01:38:33,239 --> 01:38:36,640
type of. Role anyway, SO yeah i didn't expect a whole.

2316
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:40,960
Lot there let's get To The denver nuggets and A

2317
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:43,479
player i'm very interested to hear your take on because

2318
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:47,880
we basically lost his entire. Rookie, Season Uh, deron holmes

2319
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:51,479
which like might. Might play valentunis is going to, be

2320
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:53,720
there so it changes a. Little bit but like was

2321
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:55,760
at least last, year too like in line for what

2322
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:58,439
could have been a big role on A good. Nuggets

2323
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:01,079
team did do you think based on what you.

2324
01:39:01,119 --> 01:39:03,560
Speaker 3: Saw trade salnis? Right?

2325
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:07,039
Speaker 2: Now, well yeah one is he is he like physically

2326
01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:11,520
back After The achilles, and, two uh do you see

2327
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:14,079
him getting minutes even in a front court that has

2328
01:39:14,239 --> 01:39:15,840
That has valentunas Backing?

2329
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:19,920
Speaker 1: UP jokic i Think so i'd be curious to see

2330
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:22,359
if he can play alongside another big and It would

2331
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:23,479
i'd probably prefer it To.

2332
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:26,319
Speaker 3: Be jokic Than than Jonas valentewnish is, because.

2333
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:30,319
Speaker 1: Duh, why, Wouldn't right, but so coming back From the,

2334
01:39:30,319 --> 01:39:32,800
ACHILLES injury i was impressed with how well he did

2335
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:34,920
kind of hang like hang, in space and.

2336
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:36,079
Speaker 3: When you're, six nine it's kind of.

2337
01:39:36,119 --> 01:39:40,399
Speaker 1: The expectation at the, Same time i'm curious to see

2338
01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:43,359
how it would work AGAINST like nba level playmakers and

2339
01:39:43,399 --> 01:39:45,800
ball handlers and just that like those type of physical

2340
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:48,079
tool guys like more than like if he is someone

2341
01:39:48,119 --> 01:39:50,760
who needs to switch on to, to use Like Like.

2342
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:53,279
Jeremiah fears just someone, like that like even just the

2343
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:56,359
blinding straight, Line speed i'd just be curious to see

2344
01:39:56,359 --> 01:39:56,560
how he.

2345
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 3: Handles That but i'm ACTUALLY more i don't even know if.

2346
01:39:59,880 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 1: It's worried and this all comes at the CAVEAT that

2347
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:04,560
i was so High On, zeke NAGY like. I drank

2348
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:06,680
i drank the kool aid for, a minute a few

2349
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:10,000
Minutes On. Zeke nagy, i'm wondering like do you did

2350
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:11,840
you view him as someone that you thought could actually

2351
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:13,800
play center at, this level as being six.

2352
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:17,399
Speaker 2: OR nine i kind, of did but more in a change,

2353
01:40:17,399 --> 01:40:20,600
of pace probably against second units type, of thing or

2354
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:23,039
just you KNOW what, i mean like You because jokic

2355
01:40:23,159 --> 01:40:26,680
is on, that team it's just his opportunity Player like

2356
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:28,840
holmes's opportunities were gonna. Be LIMITED but i always like

2357
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:31,640
the theory. Of him, You know bam Out of bio

2358
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:34,039
is an unfair comp but someone more, like that where

2359
01:40:34,039 --> 01:40:35,680
IT'S like i don't know if he's gonna hold up

2360
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:38,960
against the, biggest guys but maybe he survives in space

2361
01:40:39,079 --> 01:40:42,119
enables some switching looks And gives denver just a very

2362
01:40:42,119 --> 01:40:45,239
different kind of way to play against certain matchups for.

2363
01:40:45,279 --> 01:40:47,119
Short stints like that kind of thing IS what. I

2364
01:40:47,119 --> 01:40:49,000
thought i thought that might be possible. For him maybe.

2365
01:40:49,039 --> 01:40:51,560
Speaker 3: IT IS i I think i could.

2366
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:54,159
Speaker 1: SEE it I really i would love to see him

2367
01:40:54,199 --> 01:40:56,199
just play a bunch of Minutes With, aaron GORDON because

2368
01:40:56,199 --> 01:40:57,800
i feel like that might be the where they, he

2369
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:00,279
Can Like aaron gordon can offset maybe a Lot, OF

2370
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:02,039
again i think he did well in kind of those,

2371
01:41:02,039 --> 01:41:04,119
spatial MOMENTS but i don't know if it's going to.

2372
01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:07,039
Like translate it felt like sometimes his body wasn't turn

2373
01:41:07,039 --> 01:41:08,359
the right way where he was a few beats. Too

2374
01:41:08,399 --> 01:41:11,000
SLOW but i look at HIM and, I like i

2375
01:41:11,079 --> 01:41:13,560
kind of want to see him because he does like maybe,

2376
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:15,079
The three like he does have three.

2377
01:41:15,079 --> 01:41:17,039
Speaker 3: POINT range i think that's a. Big deal BUT what's

2378
01:41:17,079 --> 01:41:17,479
i think.

2379
01:41:17,399 --> 01:41:20,560
Speaker 1: Super interesting about him is that there's some, passing there

2380
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:22,399
like off, the catch like if you wanted to try

2381
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:25,439
and use him in short. ROLE situations i think that

2382
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:28,159
he is like has the intuition to do something. Like

2383
01:41:28,199 --> 01:41:30,760
that he reminds me of on offenses because he has

2384
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:34,079
like a driving, game too is What If nick claxton

2385
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:36,760
didn't drive, as much but he also had a, hesitation

2386
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:39,720
dribbling could space the floor a little bit like that's.

2387
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:43,560
Speaker 2: What little Nas Read Little Nick nick claxton, combo, Situation.

2388
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:45,600
Speaker 1: Right SO and i think you're you have to be

2389
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:47,479
encouraged with what he shot for most of the time

2390
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:50,039
from deep In In. Summer LEAGUE but i think even

2391
01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:54,119
just getting to like his spots on, the floor like

2392
01:41:54,159 --> 01:41:57,000
fanning out, in transition like getting to, the corners that's

2393
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:59,880
something he did. Really well And so i'm curious to

2394
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:03,079
see if he could get minutes because, the honestly the

2395
01:42:03,119 --> 01:42:04,840
PLAYER that i think he would have to beat out,

2396
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:06,680
for MINUTES and i don't think it's out of, the

2397
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:11,000
question would Be A, peyton, watson right because It's If

2398
01:42:11,039 --> 01:42:12,880
peyton watson's not giving you enough, on offense do you

2399
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:15,119
think that you can get enough on defense Out, Of

2400
01:42:15,159 --> 01:42:16,680
Yeah peyton watson is going to be better in like

2401
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:18,880
the one on, one situations but do you think you

2402
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:21,439
can get enough of him playing next To a gordon

2403
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:23,199
or next To a yokich to, where well like maybe

2404
01:42:23,239 --> 01:42:24,560
we want to test out and see what he can

2405
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:26,359
do on offense if he's a little bit more.

2406
01:42:26,399 --> 01:42:28,640
Speaker 2: CONSISTENT there i think that makes a lot of sense

2407
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:33,079
just Because What peyton watson's good at. It matters BUT

2408
01:42:33,079 --> 01:42:35,640
but i think like that's it's sort, of additive whereas

2409
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:38,800
like if you're a good offensive big or, like forward,

2410
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:44,000
you know combo for whatever You think, holmes is that

2411
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:46,399
that just feels more important. TO me, i GUESS like

2412
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:48,159
i don't know if that's just where the league. Is going,

2413
01:42:48,159 --> 01:42:49,920
where again the kind of LIKE how i, asked earlier

2414
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:52,720
like can you just be a guy that only shoots

2415
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:55,199
threes and have? OFFENSIVE value i think that just is

2416
01:42:55,239 --> 01:42:58,319
another way of kind of getting to the idea that

2417
01:42:58,319 --> 01:43:01,640
that offense just. MATTERS more, i think and like multi,

2418
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:04,399
skilled Stuff and watson just hasn't really shown enough. Of

2419
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:06,600
THAT so I think watson still has, A place, but,

2420
01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:08,479
like yeah if you're trying to figure Out where holmes

2421
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:11,399
is gonna get his minutes and you don't love him

2422
01:43:11,399 --> 01:43:13,720
as a as a center by himself, out there then

2423
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:16,520
maybe it does Eat into, watson's minutes which Maybe maybe

2424
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:19,680
denver's not mad about because like you know that You

2425
01:43:20,319 --> 01:43:23,239
lower watson's value if you're trying to. KEEP him i,

2426
01:43:23,279 --> 01:43:23,720
don't know.

2427
01:43:24,039 --> 01:43:27,399
Speaker 1: Just because after, they again It's the jonas valentniss like

2428
01:43:27,399 --> 01:43:29,239
like getting him as your back, Up five and he

2429
01:43:29,279 --> 01:43:31,720
did just say that he's gonna honor his Contract, with

2430
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:32,960
devers like that just becomes a.

2431
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:34,119
Speaker 3: Non, Issue, now.

2432
01:43:34,399 --> 01:43:37,680
Speaker 1: Yeah like he's but it's Just Like doron holmes seems

2433
01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:39,359
like there's A real nba player. AND there i just

2434
01:43:39,399 --> 01:43:42,800
don't know the pathway to him getting minutes, Is WHAT

2435
01:43:43,039 --> 01:43:44,800
like i guess you can say you'll run three, bigs

2436
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:46,720
deep but if you view him as, A five i

2437
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:48,960
want it really difficult to believe that you might be

2438
01:43:49,199 --> 01:43:50,680
like he just might be getting more reps IN The g.

2439
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:53,479
League Then so i'm wondering if there's a way for

2440
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:56,520
HIM to i. DON'T think, i mean MAYBE like, i

2441
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:58,760
COULD like i don't know if he could loged minutes

2442
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:01,119
Next to, jonas Valentiunis but i'd be intrigued, to see

2443
01:44:01,159 --> 01:44:03,159
like if they want To use jokic a little bit

2444
01:44:03,159 --> 01:44:05,399
more aggressively on defense and They Have deuran holmes on,

2445
01:44:05,399 --> 01:44:07,199
the court maybe during the Minutes That aaron gordon's not,

2446
01:44:07,319 --> 01:44:08,880
or something is that something they could TRY at i.

2447
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:10,720
Speaker 2: Don't, know well they got to find a way to

2448
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:13,800
not you got To Preserve. AARON gordon, i, think yeah

2449
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:15,640
so maybe maybe that's where he gets. His minutes is

2450
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:18,680
just guys get rest or. Nights Off, curtis jones he's

2451
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:21,520
The other Nuggets Or. Gellie Girl maybe i'd tip my.

2452
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:23,880
Hand there a summer leaguer we got to. Talk about he.

2453
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:26,079
Speaker 1: Did already get a two way so From, the nuggets

2454
01:44:26,119 --> 01:44:28,000
so they thought he was. A keeper i think that

2455
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:30,439
that was like that was their last two way spot

2456
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:32,319
and as, of, now anyway like, we know those things are.

2457
01:44:32,359 --> 01:44:34,640
PRETTY fungible i think that was the, right call just

2458
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:37,600
based off what we kind. Of saw he hit the

2459
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:41,159
twenty point performance Against The toronto raptors that was the

2460
01:44:41,199 --> 01:44:43,920
primary attraction of his. Summer league but he did kind

2461
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:47,039
of just validate that he belongs with the outside. Shooting

2462
01:44:47,079 --> 01:44:49,319
improvement he can a bunch of Threes in, vegas overall

2463
01:44:49,359 --> 01:44:51,960
AND what i would say is like. Reasonable volumes there

2464
01:44:52,119 --> 01:44:54,000
was some just off the balance plays that were.

2465
01:44:54,039 --> 01:44:56,239
Speaker 3: Absolutely electric he.

2466
01:44:56,119 --> 01:44:58,319
Speaker 1: Doesn't have the size of the strength to get all

2467
01:44:58,399 --> 01:45:01,079
the way to, the basket at least distantly against those,

2468
01:45:01,079 --> 01:45:04,479
set defenses but he really knows how to leverage the

2469
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:06,640
floor and he's long enough LIKE he's i think he's

2470
01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:08,319
a six to, eight wingspan IS what i have in

2471
01:45:08,359 --> 01:45:11,720
my notes here to make, Good on like like some

2472
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:14,119
of the layups he hit or just shots in the

2473
01:45:14,279 --> 01:45:16,800
restricted area when he did get there were just preposterous

2474
01:45:17,079 --> 01:45:19,359
and so just kind of like sort of a nice, flyer, here,

2475
01:45:19,399 --> 01:45:21,960
like hey let's see you look at this. TEAM overall i,

2476
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:24,159
DON'T again i do not expect him, to play but

2477
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:27,600
if you're looking for someone as a backup, ball handler

2478
01:45:28,119 --> 01:45:30,560
the options are pretty sparse at. This point That's Not

2479
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:34,560
bruce brown's game even at. His, Peak Really jalen Pickett Is,

2480
01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:37,640
jalen pickett and after that It's Like russell westbrook's not

2481
01:45:37,960 --> 01:45:41,119
back there like they would. HAVE been I think PHOENIX

2482
01:45:41,199 --> 01:45:43,199
needed cp three. THE most i would have loved to

2483
01:45:43,239 --> 01:45:44,359
HAVE seen cp Three and denver.

2484
01:45:44,439 --> 01:45:47,640
Speaker 2: Though, definitely yeah what a weird thing to just have

2485
01:45:48,159 --> 01:45:52,840
a very different ball dominant orchestrator out there with with Other.

2486
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:56,159
Than jokich so do? You uh the one guy you

2487
01:45:56,159 --> 01:45:59,000
didn't mention in running Through the jones issue, is like

2488
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:02,359
are a there's minutes at risk here or is it more, just,

2489
01:46:02,399 --> 01:46:03,960
like yeah we don't Know If bruce brown is going

2490
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:04,840
to be the ball handler.

2491
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:08,479
Speaker 1: LIKE do i guess it depends on whether You Trust

2492
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:10,560
julian strother do a lot of the on. BALL stuff

2493
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:13,640
i think ON ball I Trust curtis jones more. Right

2494
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:15,800
now but in terms of just like we've seen The

2495
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:18,560
Way julian strather will fly around, the floor like the,

2496
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:20,640
three points three pointers aren't always. Gonna FALL but i

2497
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:22,159
don't Know If curtis jones at that the same level

2498
01:46:22,199 --> 01:46:25,199
of just like motion shooting capability. Within him SO and

2499
01:46:25,239 --> 01:46:27,920
i also just. CAN'T see i Know the nuggets want

2500
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:30,239
to prioritize development we're talking about if we Don't Think

2501
01:46:30,279 --> 01:46:32,000
dyron holmes is gonna have like a clear path to,

2502
01:46:32,039 --> 01:46:34,079
PLAYING time i don't. Know that just like when You

2503
01:46:34,079 --> 01:46:36,039
Have bruce Brown And tim hardaway junior on this team,

2504
01:46:36,079 --> 01:46:38,000
AS well i would struggle to see him unless there's

2505
01:46:38,359 --> 01:46:40,800
a bunch of injuries, seeing him, you know have any

2506
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:41,640
type of impact for.

2507
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:45,279
Speaker 2: This Team, all right we did save the best, for

2508
01:46:45,399 --> 01:46:51,600
last just because we went backwards. THE well, I mean

2509
01:46:52,399 --> 01:46:54,760
i've read and heard some interesting Things About nim hard

2510
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:56,840
but we're not gonna talk about him. So Much cooper

2511
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:01,359
flagg Billed as jack of, all trade essentially. Weakness free

2512
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:05,439
maybe not great at any, one thing like a plus,

2513
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:09,119
on offense MAYBE an a. PLUS defender, i mean the

2514
01:47:09,159 --> 01:47:13,159
expectations and the hype were all over. The place probably

2515
01:47:13,159 --> 01:47:15,319
impossible for him to measure up. To it only played

2516
01:47:15,359 --> 01:47:18,119
what TWO games i guess had a bad one and

2517
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:21,399
a very. Good one what did you see? From him

2518
01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:23,600
maybe the question is because we kind of know the

2519
01:47:25,159 --> 01:47:28,039
thumbnail sketch of like what he's supposed, to be what

2520
01:47:28,079 --> 01:47:31,600
did you see from him that most aligned in a

2521
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:34,760
good WAY with i don't know the pre, Draft billing

2522
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:36,119
and what did you see from him that?

2523
01:47:36,239 --> 01:47:40,600
Speaker 1: Surprised you so the defense is no note stuff, For

2524
01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:42,800
me like there'll probably just be moments where he, gets

2525
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:46,359
burned is in the, Wrong position but like there's defensive

2526
01:47:46,359 --> 01:47:50,960
playmaking AND there's iq THERE AND i i don't call

2527
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:53,239
him a five, position DEFENDER but i just you asked the,

2528
01:47:53,279 --> 01:47:56,079
question before like which players can't? He guard and it's

2529
01:47:56,119 --> 01:47:58,720
the ones who aren't in the, Game, basically yeah and

2530
01:47:58,760 --> 01:47:59,520
WE'RE seeing.

2531
01:47:59,239 --> 01:48:01,800
Speaker 3: I think i've mentioned you've maybe we've had a discussion.

2532
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:04,159
Speaker 1: About it it just feels like some of, these rookies

2533
01:48:04,319 --> 01:48:06,840
especially if they're bigs or maybe, wing types they're coming

2534
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:10,119
in and they're so much better defensively, off rip and.

2535
01:48:10,079 --> 01:48:12,159
Speaker 2: He's used to be one to guarantee that a rookie

2536
01:48:12,199 --> 01:48:14,720
was gonna suck, On DEFENSE like i mean almost across.

2537
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:17,560
Speaker 1: The board i'd be shocked if he is. Like one

2538
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:19,479
i'd be shocked if he made an all. Defensive team

2539
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:22,359
BUT like, i, maybe like if you're, asking me is

2540
01:48:22,359 --> 01:48:23,560
he gonna? Be terrible is he more like going to

2541
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:25,640
be terrible or making all, defense TEAM that i might

2542
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:28,840
actually have to think about. That ONE the i guess

2543
01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:32,039
the thing that most surprised me WAS just i.

2544
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:34,000
Speaker 3: Thought his handle was gonna be a little, bit better.

2545
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:36,159
Speaker 1: AND but i was also, pleasantly surprised like he didn't

2546
01:48:36,159 --> 01:48:38,479
really have any problems getting. Off jumpers there was clearly

2547
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:40,800
two things that they said he needed, to do is

2548
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:41,159
you need.

2549
01:48:41,079 --> 01:48:43,000
Speaker 3: To operate on ball and try and create for everybody

2550
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:44,359
and get.

2551
01:48:44,359 --> 01:48:46,319
Speaker 1: Off jumpers and he did, all THAT and i think

2552
01:48:46,359 --> 01:48:49,640
the second game he showed like the full breadth of his.

2553
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:53,479
Offensive arsenal like there was the, floor running there was the,

2554
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:55,920
lob finishing there was some pull, up touch he had three,

2555
01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:58,159
point volume there was driving, and finishing there was. Foul

2556
01:48:58,239 --> 01:49:00,680
drawing it was just it was everything that's like. Pretty

2557
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:03,840
TERRIFYING what i think is gonna, take time and especially

2558
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:06,600
when you look at the handle and Like the. MAVs

2559
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:09,000
spacing it might look fine in some lineups when you

2560
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:10,359
have a, d log but can you play Him. With

2561
01:49:10,399 --> 01:49:12,159
Klaye thompson and then if you're gonna play two bigs,

2562
01:49:12,239 --> 01:49:15,680
up front LIKE. It's pj Washington And naji marshall or are

2563
01:49:15,640 --> 01:49:17,600
they good enough TO so i think that's gonna give

2564
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:18,960
him some issues early on if you wanted to be

2565
01:49:19,039 --> 01:49:21,680
a primary. Ball handler but just in terms of a,

2566
01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:23,520
PLAY finisher i think he's gonna be great right off,

2567
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:26,920
the Bat and i'm more optimistic about him becoming a

2568
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:30,920
primary ball handler primary play maker. Long Term and i'm

2569
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:33,119
more optimistic about the jump SHOT than I thought i

2570
01:49:33,199 --> 01:49:33,520
was going.

2571
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:33,840
Speaker 3: To be.

2572
01:49:35,479 --> 01:49:38,640
Speaker 2: Do you did you? SEE enough i know That the

2573
01:49:38,680 --> 01:49:42,520
maps like kind of admittedly like sort of threw him

2574
01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:45,479
out there and asked him to do things like bring

2575
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:48,520
the ball up every time that like they probably won't,

2576
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:50,640
this year maybe that is part of the plan, Long

2577
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:54,000
term but did you see enough from him in the

2578
01:49:54,199 --> 01:49:56,960
in that kind of role to make you, confident, that

2579
01:49:57,079 --> 01:49:59,960
like Because the MAVs have. THIS massive, I Mean dery

2580
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,119
glave was hurt again, already obviously but like they have

2581
01:50:02,159 --> 01:50:05,319
a glood. Of Biggs did flags show enough to make you,

2582
01:50:05,399 --> 01:50:08,079
confident that like if he's just a three, AND again

2583
01:50:08,359 --> 01:50:10,479
I know i'm throwing caveats, all over like the three

2584
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:13,760
in the four have, become interchangeable but you do still

2585
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:16,840
think of small, forwards differently like it is is a

2586
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:20,760
small forward Version Of cooper flag a viable and b

2587
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:24,439
where you might get the most out, of him like

2588
01:50:24,479 --> 01:50:25,479
on a normal team Or.

2589
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:29,680
Speaker 3: The, MAVs uh that's a really. GOOD question i think

2590
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:31,079
he's ultimately gonna need to be like a.

2591
01:50:31,119 --> 01:50:33,680
Speaker 1: POINT forward i think that's gonna be at least do

2592
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:35,800
you know how kind Of Like lebron james, early on

2593
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:38,600
like didn't he had like a different level of Athleticism

2594
01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:39,039
Than cooper.

2595
01:50:39,039 --> 01:50:42,199
Speaker 3: Flag does but like when he was before he was a.

2596
01:50:42,279 --> 01:50:44,319
Speaker 1: JUMP shooter i Could see flag maybe being a little

2597
01:50:44,319 --> 01:50:45,960
bit better of a. Jump shooter but he's not gonna

2598
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:48,000
have the ability to maybe generate as much on ball

2599
01:50:48,479 --> 01:50:52,279
separation as someone. Like that but if you're gonna, use

2600
01:50:52,319 --> 01:50:54,439
it like if you're gonna use him in a traditional small,

2601
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:57,039
FORWARDS role i just like if you did That To,

2602
01:50:57,119 --> 01:50:59,840
lebron james wouldn't that have just felt like a waste.

2603
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:03,039
Speaker 3: And his peak and we haven't even really.

2604
01:51:03,039 --> 01:51:06,399
Speaker 2: Seen, it, YEAH well I guess i guess maybe the

2605
01:51:06,439 --> 01:51:09,079
other the other way to approach it, is like can

2606
01:51:09,119 --> 01:51:13,279
you play two bigs with flag and not sacrifice your

2607
01:51:13,319 --> 01:51:17,039
wing defense and? Your spacing? YOU know, I mean i,

2608
01:51:17,039 --> 01:51:18,720
guess YOU but.

2609
01:51:18,760 --> 01:51:21,119
Speaker 1: I zero questions about, The DEFENSE like i think THAT

2610
01:51:21,159 --> 01:51:23,680
he i think that would be. Perfectly fine it'll be

2611
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:25,479
even Better When anthony davis is one of the bigs

2612
01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:26,199
that you know it's gonna be on.

2613
01:51:26,239 --> 01:51:27,159
Speaker 2: The court.

2614
01:51:27,199 --> 01:51:28,960
Speaker 1: THE offense i just don't like if the ball is

2615
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:33,119
not gonna be in, his hands like, you know because

2616
01:51:33,159 --> 01:51:35,039
the problem is is a lot of the stuff he

2617
01:51:35,119 --> 01:51:37,439
can do off the ball is the, stuff that like

2618
01:51:37,479 --> 01:51:39,600
the the bigs need to do off, the ball like

2619
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:41,520
You're not he's never gonna be the primary screener if

2620
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:44,920
he's playing with three even, like okay getting out, in transition,

2621
01:51:45,039 --> 01:51:46,439
That's fine like you could, do.

2622
01:51:46,479 --> 01:51:49,279
Speaker 3: THAT sure i just think he's gonna need to come in,

2623
01:51:49,319 --> 01:51:49,840
and like can.

2624
01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:52,319
Speaker 1: You get up six threes a game and hit them

2625
01:51:52,319 --> 01:51:54,680
at a thirty seven and a half? PERCENT clip i

2626
01:51:54,720 --> 01:51:56,960
think he has the potential to, do that, but like

2627
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:58,880
if that's the role he kind OF like i guess

2628
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:01,039
when you're saying, small forward struggling, to think like what

2629
01:52:01,119 --> 01:52:04,359
would be the not the same like this, player archetype

2630
01:52:04,359 --> 01:52:07,239
but like whose Role, would yeah are you trying to?

2631
01:52:07,239 --> 01:52:09,760
Speaker 2: Think about That's what, You're right you're you're right to

2632
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:11,800
think of it in terms of role as opposed, to position,

2633
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:14,239
BECAUSE like i, Don't Know jason tatum's a, SMALL forward

2634
01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:17,560
i guess sometimes maybe, and like but that doesn't mean

2635
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:21,560
he's the, primary playmaker, you know like and but there

2636
01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:24,199
are also SMALL like i guess you, could say we've talked,

2637
01:52:24,199 --> 01:52:26,279
about this he'd be more of A Forre cam johnson

2638
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:28,680
is a power forward slash, small forward and he just

2639
01:52:28,720 --> 01:52:31,319
does more catch and, shot like so the position doesn't matter.

2640
01:52:31,359 --> 01:52:33,159
A ton i. Guess maybe Really what i'm asking is.

2641
01:52:33,159 --> 01:52:35,119
Speaker 1: THE role i think if you were gonna make him

2642
01:52:35,199 --> 01:52:37,239
more of an off ball player to maybe he's your

2643
01:52:37,279 --> 01:52:41,359
second or third, ball handler could he and please correct

2644
01:52:41,359 --> 01:52:41,760
Me if, i'm.

2645
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:44,640
Speaker 3: WRONG because i haven't thought, about this is can He Be? Jalen?

2646
01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:49,159
Speaker 1: Brown BASICALLY and i, would, say, yeah yes Because If

2647
01:52:49,239 --> 01:52:51,720
jalen brown's like not the most bankable shooter at the,

2648
01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:53,119
Moment either and.

2649
01:52:53,439 --> 01:52:56,000
Speaker 2: You don't, you know you're not always in love night

2650
01:52:56,039 --> 01:52:59,520
tonight with what he does attacking because the, turnover, stuff

2651
01:52:59,680 --> 01:53:03,079
okay but he also was the second best offensive player

2652
01:53:03,079 --> 01:53:03,239
on a.

2653
01:53:03,279 --> 01:53:06,119
Speaker 1: Title winner and the other, thing is it's JUST like

2654
01:53:06,159 --> 01:53:07,720
i Don't Think cooper flag is gonna have the same

2655
01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:10,119
JUST like i don't know what the word is like

2656
01:53:10,159 --> 01:53:11,960
oof on his Drives That, Jalen, Brown.

2657
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:14,760
Speaker 2: Yeah Brown also brown's a, crazy, athlete right.

2658
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:17,960
Speaker 1: We don't feel Good About jaylen brown being the primary.

2659
01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:20,279
Ball handler he has to be in. This Role, Cooper

2660
01:53:20,319 --> 01:53:23,000
flag i'd feel pretty good ABOUT being i think being

2661
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:26,359
the primary. Ball handler i'll say it doesn't feel like

2662
01:53:26,359 --> 01:53:28,159
it's going to be necessary though if they don't want

2663
01:53:28,199 --> 01:53:29,680
him to. Be THAT but i, would argue, you know

2664
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:32,479
you said that maybe they're not going to, do that like,

2665
01:53:33,119 --> 01:53:35,800
right out like from, THE jump i think they should

2666
01:53:36,199 --> 01:53:39,159
like Because like kyrie plays well off Everyone d lo

2667
01:53:39,359 --> 01:53:41,319
is like that's your other, guard there like mix and match,

2668
01:53:41,359 --> 01:53:43,640
With that i'm absolutely the THING that i would be.

2669
01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:47,000
Concerned ABOUT and i don't Know if i'm like reading

2670
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:48,640
too much, into it is it felt like he was

2671
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:51,399
getting tired by playing on the ball, so much and so.

2672
01:53:51,399 --> 01:53:54,600
Speaker 2: Well he said that, he, did yeah because, He's like

2673
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:56,600
i've never been picked up full court one because he

2674
01:53:56,680 --> 01:53:59,319
probably didn't bring the ball up every. Single time but, but,

2675
01:53:59,399 --> 01:54:01,399
YEAH no I think i think that's a real thing

2676
01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:03,920
you have to, think about because you would hate to

2677
01:54:03,960 --> 01:54:07,640
cut into his sort of his defensive gas tank by

2678
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:10,520
by forcing him to like burn a bunch of calories

2679
01:54:11,079 --> 01:54:14,720
bring just bringing the ball up against pressure thirty times

2680
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:17,359
a Game like that's that's that's definitely something you have to.

2681
01:54:17,399 --> 01:54:19,560
Think ABOUT but i think you're right in general, that,

2682
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:23,520
like look we got to see if he can be

2683
01:54:24,479 --> 01:54:26,600
the best Version Of cooper flag is a guy that

2684
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:30,399
plays a super high, leverage role because if he's in,

2685
01:54:30,399 --> 01:54:31,760
that role it means he proved that he could. Do

2686
01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:34,239
it and then like that's just what you Want. As

2687
01:54:34,359 --> 01:54:36,520
DALLAS so i THINK it's I think i agree that

2688
01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:40,159
it's right to just kind of over stretch him early

2689
01:54:40,239 --> 01:54:42,399
and just kind of see like how he, holds up

2690
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:45,880
because if he, does fine which he, mostly did then

2691
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:48,079
maybe you do have maybe you are just sort of

2692
01:54:48,079 --> 01:54:50,640
seeing your way, to, well yeah he's the jack of,

2693
01:54:50,680 --> 01:54:53,560
all trades but also like he's gonna have the most

2694
01:54:53,560 --> 01:54:56,479
touch time on the team, like that that's that's a possibility.

2695
01:54:56,479 --> 01:54:58,840
Speaker 1: For him i'm going to just be very CURIOUS because

2696
01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:02,199
i don't Know where i'm gonna like where do per your.

2697
01:55:02,239 --> 01:55:04,800
Proprietary metrics i'm Curious where dallas is gonna grade out

2698
01:55:05,079 --> 01:55:07,199
with their, floor SPACING and i think that might be

2699
01:55:07,279 --> 01:55:09,600
important early on To, where okay then the moments are gonna,

2700
01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:11,479
be UGLY but i still think that they need to

2701
01:55:11,479 --> 01:55:12,359
put him in that type.

2702
01:55:12,399 --> 01:55:15,600
Speaker 3: Of role and the other, thing TOO is i guess

2703
01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:16,600
we might do this with all.

2704
01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:20,119
Speaker 1: Generational prospects but there's like this lore of these stories that.

2705
01:55:20,159 --> 01:55:22,039
Come out remember the one With the olympics last YEAR

2706
01:55:22,079 --> 01:55:25,079
where nba players were. Not off my, FAVORITE anecdote i

2707
01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:28,119
think this might Have Been keith smith had a spow

2708
01:55:28,199 --> 01:55:31,359
track notebook and maybe it was someone else who like

2709
01:55:31,479 --> 01:55:33,880
put it. Out THERE so i Apologize if i'm, missourcing

2710
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:36,680
this but like he wanted to play a third Game

2711
01:55:36,680 --> 01:55:38,720
In summer league And the max had. To, Act no,

2712
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:40,319
HE'S like i want people to know that the second

2713
01:55:40,359 --> 01:55:43,119
gig wasn't, a fluke and it's just like shit like

2714
01:55:43,159 --> 01:55:45,000
That is i'm sure a bunch of other players has done.

2715
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:47,279
Something similar but THE thing i was gonna meant to

2716
01:55:47,279 --> 01:55:48,720
tell you at the, top is do you remember two

2717
01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:51,520
years ago we ACTUALLY recorded i think we did. A

2718
01:55:51,560 --> 01:55:54,960
stream we Were Covering victor wenberyama's game immediately after his

2719
01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:55,520
first summer of.

2720
01:55:55,520 --> 01:55:56,760
Speaker 3: The game people were.

2721
01:55:56,800 --> 01:55:58,760
Speaker 1: SO concerned i remember we were talking about it after,

2722
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:01,119
the FACT and i TOLD you i came away thinking

2723
01:56:01,159 --> 01:56:03,279
that he was gonna be one of the Best players

2724
01:56:03,319 --> 01:56:05,399
i've ever watched in my. Entire life and after his,

2725
01:56:05,479 --> 01:56:06,239
BAD game i.

2726
01:56:06,199 --> 01:56:08,119
Speaker 2: Was, gonna, SAY yeah i do remember that you saw

2727
01:56:08,119 --> 01:56:11,159
the bad game and we're just hook Line and SINKER sold.

2728
01:56:10,920 --> 01:56:12,119
Speaker 3: I saw the, bad GAME and.

2729
01:56:12,159 --> 01:56:14,159
Speaker 1: I didn't i didn't feel the same Way About cooper

2730
01:56:14,159 --> 01:56:17,239
FLAG that i Did. About WIMBY but i came, away,

2731
01:56:17,279 --> 01:56:19,720
thinking oh like this he's gonna have DOUBLE digital. Nba

2732
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:22,039
appearances this is, just like this is a non and that.

2733
01:56:22,199 --> 01:56:24,640
CAN'T miss i don't know what his OFFENSIVE role i

2734
01:56:24,680 --> 01:56:26,640
guess shakes out, to BE but i came away thinking

2735
01:56:26,680 --> 01:56:29,760
based off that GAME was i, was, like, oh yeah he.

2736
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:31,720
Speaker 3: Doesn't need to. Play again that's fine. For me i've seen.

2737
01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:34,239
Speaker 2: It, enough, yeah okay we've and we've already talked about

2738
01:56:34,319 --> 01:56:38,279
feel so maybe the CLICHE THAT i i am drawn

2739
01:56:38,319 --> 01:56:40,600
to with him is like he's just gonna be, a winner,

2740
01:56:41,039 --> 01:56:43,560
just like, you know to really drive home the coach,

2741
01:56:43,600 --> 01:56:46,039
speak stuff just because if you play that hard and

2742
01:56:46,039 --> 01:56:48,479
you care that much and you defend, that WAY and i,

2743
01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:51,279
think Like Unlike, jalen brown just to draw back to,

2744
01:56:51,319 --> 01:56:54,279
THAT comparison I think flag is kind of like a

2745
01:56:54,359 --> 01:56:57,319
right play machine where it's like he just kind of

2746
01:56:57,319 --> 01:56:59,960
wants to do the correct thing in a team sense

2747
01:57:00,079 --> 01:57:02,439
with the basketball all, The time like that's just kind of,

2748
01:57:02,479 --> 01:57:04,880
Winning stuff like none of that matters if you don't

2749
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:06,880
have the, physical tools but like he seems to have

2750
01:57:07,039 --> 01:57:11,039
enough of that to where that's gonna. Come through, SO

2751
01:57:11,560 --> 01:57:14,479
yeah I again i. WOULD agree i don't feel the

2752
01:57:14,479 --> 01:57:16,359
same way ABOUT him i did About. Women yama but

2753
01:57:16,399 --> 01:57:18,600
some of that was just like the shock factor of

2754
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:19,079
like what?

2755
01:57:19,199 --> 01:57:22,079
Speaker 3: Is this why is this person who's eight feet tall

2756
01:57:22,119 --> 01:57:22,720
doing all these?

2757
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:25,359
Speaker 2: Things right It's like I've never i've never Seen. This

2758
01:57:25,479 --> 01:57:28,960
flag we've seen some version, Of this but that's not

2759
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:31,159
to take anything away, from HIM BECAUSE i i think

2760
01:57:31,479 --> 01:57:33,760
you've seen MORE than. I HAVE but i just don't

2761
01:57:33,800 --> 01:57:36,880
KNOW how i don't know how great. HE'LL be i

2762
01:57:37,039 --> 01:57:39,399
do know that he's not, gonna fail like that's just

2763
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:40,600
that's out of. The question.

2764
01:57:40,720 --> 01:57:43,600
Speaker 1: To me he is one of the most bankable prospects that.

2765
01:57:43,640 --> 01:57:46,640
We've seen and the other, thing, THOUGH too i was

2766
01:57:46,640 --> 01:57:51,039
gonna ask you. THIS question i do feel reading too.

2767
01:57:51,039 --> 01:57:53,159
FAR ahead I think kyrie is probably a perfect fit next.

2768
01:57:53,159 --> 01:57:54,840
To him it's just someone who's played off of others

2769
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:56,880
who have. The ball but maybe if you Don't want

2770
01:57:56,880 --> 01:57:59,039
cooper flag on the ball against maybe something like Against.

2771
01:57:59,079 --> 01:58:01,439
Speaker 3: An Okac putting cooper flag.

2772
01:58:01,199 --> 01:58:03,920
Speaker 1: On the ball is probably cruel and unusual punishment ro. The,

2773
01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:07,159
stage yeah that to, Any team but Like the rock, like,

2774
01:58:07,239 --> 01:58:08,960
name like what's a solid defense that's?

2775
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:10,199
Speaker 3: Not, Okay SEE like.

2776
01:58:10,760 --> 01:58:13,439
Speaker 2: I mean orlando's A great orlando's a. Great defense i'd

2777
01:58:13,439 --> 01:58:15,399
feel way better about because it sugs won't be, on

2778
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:18,239
him so it's like he'll. BE well i, don't, know,

2779
01:58:19,039 --> 01:58:20,600
SO yeah.

2780
01:58:20,119 --> 01:58:22,960
Speaker 1: I do think that If the MAVs aren't Gonna Play

2781
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:25,760
anthony davis at the Five With cooper flagg as the,

2782
01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:28,159
OTHER primary i think that They're Doing cooper flag a

2783
01:58:28,239 --> 01:58:32,039
disservice because that gives him just if you're playing on

2784
01:58:32,079 --> 01:58:35,119
the Court with Gafford and Davis or Lively and davis

2785
01:58:35,720 --> 01:58:37,039
versus playing on the court.

2786
01:58:36,840 --> 01:58:38,640
Speaker 3: With just Davis As.

2787
01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:41,520
Speaker 1: Cooper flagg the spacing is going to be, just DIFFERENT

2788
01:58:41,600 --> 01:58:42,479
and i think especially.

2789
01:58:42,520 --> 01:58:44,079
Speaker 3: Early on but also.

2790
01:58:44,399 --> 01:58:46,239
Speaker 1: Like he can DO stuff i didn't, Mention this like

2791
01:58:46,279 --> 01:58:47,800
he has stuff he could just do in. The post

2792
01:58:48,159 --> 01:58:50,000
you're not gonna be able to do that if you

2793
01:58:50,119 --> 01:58:51,960
have two other bigs on, the court AND so i

2794
01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:54,359
think he can make. IT work, i like he's not

2795
01:58:54,359 --> 01:58:56,079
even gonna be able to get Those Like jaalen brown

2796
01:58:56,159 --> 01:58:58,399
midpost touches if he like the way That the celtics

2797
01:58:58,479 --> 01:59:01,399
use their bigs, right Now Because anthony davis is, he

2798
01:59:01,479 --> 01:59:04,239
okay here's, a Question Is anthony davis okay Being al

2799
01:59:04,279 --> 01:59:06,079
horford if he gets to play power forward to where

2800
01:59:06,079 --> 01:59:07,880
you have to try and space the floor so that

2801
01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:10,119
you Could Give cooper flag those types. OF touches i

2802
01:59:10,159 --> 01:59:13,479
have no, fucking IDEA but i really hope that we

2803
01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:16,760
get to see Plenty Of cooper flag plus one big.

2804
01:59:16,840 --> 01:59:19,039
Speaker 3: Line, up yeah maybe injuries will work. It Out derek

2805
01:59:19,079 --> 01:59:21,760
lively's hurt as we, record this SO but i don't

2806
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:22,279
want anyone to.

2807
01:59:22,319 --> 01:59:24,520
Speaker 2: Be hurt is the, thing right that's, F, RIGHT no.

2808
01:59:24,640 --> 01:59:28,920
I think, i mean, you know you get into this

2809
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:31,520
with guys that can play a big spot that also.

2810
01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:34,039
Can shoot, it's, like well THAT'S what i was getting.

2811
01:59:34,039 --> 01:59:35,840
At earlier, it's, LIKE well i guess that means we

2812
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:37,880
can get away with. Two bigs, it's, like no. You

2813
01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:40,359
shouldn't you shouldn't really be hoping to get away with.

2814
01:59:40,439 --> 01:59:43,920
Two bigs you should be trying to space the floor

2815
01:59:43,960 --> 01:59:48,399
with one that so as to maximize the player, like

2816
01:59:48,479 --> 01:59:51,640
flags like, various abilities because, You're, right like, you know

2817
01:59:52,079 --> 01:59:55,000
we were Talking about hanson and it, was, like well

2818
01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:56,439
can you guard him with A small like if you

2819
01:59:56,439 --> 01:59:58,319
put a small guy, on flag he's gonna eat, Him

2820
01:59:58,319 --> 01:59:59,920
alive like he will just put him in. The bass

2821
02:00:00,920 --> 02:00:03,119
and so you want to create situations. Like that if

2822
02:00:03,159 --> 02:00:05,960
you're playing him at, the three there's gonna be more bigs,

2823
02:00:05,960 --> 02:00:07,479
out there it's gonna be harder for him to pick.

2824
02:00:07,520 --> 02:00:10,520
On matchups, SO yeah, i agree like it would be

2825
02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:14,239
by far the best situation for him To just davis

2826
02:00:14,239 --> 02:00:16,680
as the Five or gafford, or whoever and you don't

2827
02:00:16,720 --> 02:00:18,399
see two. BIG looks i.

2828
02:00:18,399 --> 02:00:20,760
Speaker 1: DON'T think i do, think though if they're gonna play

2829
02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:23,199
the two big Looks. WITH flag, i mean just look

2830
02:00:23,199 --> 02:00:26,119
at the other defenders on, this roster LIKE. Even, Pj Washington,

2831
02:00:26,199 --> 02:00:30,239
Naji Marshall kayle martin if, He's Healthy, Max, CHRISTIE like,

2832
02:00:30,520 --> 02:00:31,880
I don't i don't Know if i'm gonna say this

2833
02:00:31,880 --> 02:00:34,239
team would be A top they have top five. Defensive

2834
02:00:34,239 --> 02:00:36,159
potential we had a lot of shit in the comments

2835
02:00:36,159 --> 02:00:38,119
and we Were Doing west tiers that we were too

2836
02:00:38,199 --> 02:00:40,319
high On. The MAVERICKS and i think that they're gonna

2837
02:00:40,319 --> 02:00:42,239
settle into somewhere in the middle just because there will

2838
02:00:42,279 --> 02:00:44,760
be growing Pains. WITH flag i think the offense is

2839
02:00:44,760 --> 02:00:47,760
gonna struggle at Least until kyrie. Comes back but like

2840
02:00:47,800 --> 02:00:50,319
the defensive ceiling on, this team regardless of what type

2841
02:00:50,319 --> 02:00:51,720
of lineup they're running out by, THE way i think

2842
02:00:51,720 --> 02:00:52,039
it's through.

2843
02:00:52,039 --> 02:00:54,520
Speaker 2: THE roof. I agree, i agree just the size like

2844
02:00:54,560 --> 02:00:57,199
that you met you just ran through Like the Christie's,

2845
02:00:57,199 --> 02:00:59,720
In washington's like they could put six or eight or

2846
02:00:59,840 --> 02:01:03,520
like six eight or above lineups on, the floor, No problem,

2847
02:01:03,720 --> 02:01:06,119
like if Especially if flag really can't handle the ball Like, That.

2848
02:01:06,159 --> 02:01:10,079
Speaker 1: Flag, Marshall washington davis And then LIVELY or, I mean

2849
02:01:10,119 --> 02:01:11,520
i don't know what the shooting looks like, in there

2850
02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:12,359
but you could you could.

2851
02:01:13,159 --> 02:01:14,800
Speaker 2: Or you could Just have clay. Out there and he's

2852
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:17,680
your smallest guy at. Six seven THAT SO i i,

2853
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:19,239
you know there are a lot of ways to go

2854
02:01:19,279 --> 02:01:22,479
defensively and you can sort of game it if you

2855
02:01:22,600 --> 02:01:24,840
do it right with. ENOUGH shooting i. Don't, know uh

2856
02:01:25,079 --> 02:01:27,560
that's a conversation for. Another day anything else, to add

2857
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:28,960
any superlatives you'd like to?

2858
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:32,239
Speaker 3: Throw out start bench your g. League grant we didn't answer.

2859
02:01:32,239 --> 02:01:32,800
The question we're.

2860
02:01:32,840 --> 02:01:33,560
Speaker 2: Starting him you.

2861
02:01:33,600 --> 02:01:36,119
Speaker 3: Gotta start i'm g. Leaguing him make.

2862
02:01:36,159 --> 02:01:38,920
Speaker 2: Him earn you got to earn your. Stripes today these days,

2863
02:01:39,079 --> 02:01:42,239
he's been he's He hasn't he hasn't. Done anything he hasn't,

2864
02:01:42,279 --> 02:01:43,640
Proved anything so make him.

2865
02:01:43,680 --> 02:01:46,359
Speaker 1: Prove it my one, SHOUT out i lost the, chat

2866
02:01:46,439 --> 02:01:49,680
already but we're not talking. About sophomores shout out To

2867
02:01:49,720 --> 02:01:51,159
aj mitchell for what he Proved In.

2868
02:01:51,159 --> 02:01:51,840
Speaker 3: Summer league and.

2869
02:01:51,880 --> 02:01:54,399
Speaker 1: That's that how many times we need like a button,

2870
02:01:54,439 --> 02:01:56,000
that said, oh okay so he just did. It again

2871
02:01:56,039 --> 02:01:57,840
we kind of alread knew that because before he got

2872
02:01:57,840 --> 02:01:58,600
injured last year he.

2873
02:01:58,600 --> 02:02:01,039
Speaker 3: Showed it but. SHOUT out i think he was probably.

2874
02:02:01,039 --> 02:02:02,800
Speaker 1: The SOPHOMORE maybe i don't know if you want to

2875
02:02:02,800 --> 02:02:04,520
say the most, impressive one but he could have been

2876
02:02:04,560 --> 02:02:06,680
the most. Impressive ONE but i came away just like

2877
02:02:07,079 --> 02:02:10,760
this guy would start on like fifteen other teams, right now, he's,

2878
02:02:10,760 --> 02:02:12,319
what okase he's tenth man?

2879
02:02:12,479 --> 02:02:13,279
Speaker 2: Or something was he the?

2880
02:02:13,399 --> 02:02:13,720
Speaker 3: Number?

2881
02:02:13,720 --> 02:02:16,800
Speaker 2: One like why are? You? Here guy for you Of

2882
02:02:16,840 --> 02:02:18,479
The summer lea players? You, WATCHED.

2883
02:02:19,720 --> 02:02:22,199
Speaker 1: Yeah i, Think so i'm trying to like it was

2884
02:02:22,239 --> 02:02:23,840
Him Mar. REEVE sheeppard, i mean let's just.

2885
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:29,520
Speaker 2: Wait to bring, it back? All right anything else to

2886
02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:31,640
add besides Your aj, mitchell PRAISE which, I.

2887
02:02:31,680 --> 02:02:33,079
Speaker 3: RESPOND no i hope people.

2888
02:02:33,199 --> 02:02:34,640
Speaker 1: Enjoy this this was a little bit different than. The

2889
02:02:34,640 --> 02:02:37,039
stuff we don't typically go Deep Into, summer LEAGUE but

2890
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:39,560
i had to, do IT so i FIGURED when i

2891
02:02:39,640 --> 02:02:40,399
do it, a shot.

2892
02:02:40,319 --> 02:02:43,760
Speaker 2: So we had to. Do it thanks everybody, for watching,

2893
02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:48,000
for listening as commentars especially. Appreciate it, please remember wherever

2894
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:51,079
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2895
02:02:51,079 --> 02:02:53,600
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2896
02:02:53,680 --> 02:02:55,760
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2897
02:02:55,880 --> 02:02:58,479
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2898
02:02:58,479 --> 02:03:01,800
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2899
02:03:01,840 --> 02:03:05,039
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