Speaker 1: What is up, fellow sickos, I am Dampa Valley coming
at you with this certified fantabulous mister Grant Hughes. We're
here to talk about something we don't really do or
haven't done in the past, as we've done probably summer
league taways, but never anything like too deep. We kind
of like going into the regular season with more of
a blank slate of these guys, but no, we're gonna
dig deep into summer league. We began with the Western Conference.
We decided last minute. I threw it on Granted, I
proposed it and he's willing to roll along with it.
To kind of wrap up how we're talking about each player,
we're gonna do start bench or G league as to
where you would put these guys, assuming some of them
don't have contracts yet, what would you do with them?
That might be a fun little way. The way that
we kind of plucked these out is every first round
pick that suited up at any point in Summer league,
so the California, Classic, Vegas, Salt Lake City, the whole nine,
they will be talked about. And then for teams that
didn't have someone who fell into that. It's kind of
just like Okay, was there a second round prospect that
intrigued If they didn't have one of those, like the
Lakers guy didn't suit up, we just go to the
undrafted guy that intrigued us the most, and we're just
gonna talk about them. But before we talk about them,
grant how you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm prepared to learn because you put a ton
of work into this, and you watched more Summer league
basketball certainly then I watch, and that most normal people
would ever agree to watch. So I'm gonna pepper in
questions that I have based on like pre draft evaluation
and maybe anything I've heard or seen. But I am
gonna come to you, I think for in addition to
the start bench G League, which is final forever. By
the way, if we say a guy is a G leaguer,
his career is over. So these are gonna lock in.
But no, I'm excited. I'm excited to pick your brain
a little bit on especially some of these guys, because
Summer League, as you know, is just it can be
a bit of a black box. Numbers mean something and
then they don't. The context is hard to sort of
sort of parse. So looking forward to this and excited
to be taught all about Summer League by you.
Speaker 3: Uh, that's a scary proposition for everybody.
Speaker 1: It's funny I find myself getting just I think it
is part of the nature of social media is I
get more defensive about the things I writer say, which
is I feel like I close the last podcast like
erroneously yelling at a Denver Nuggets fan that wasn't even
yelling at me. You told me in the gument So
apologies to them again, but it's just I get so tired,
especially after something like this. The number of tags are like, well,
you clearly didn't watch this, and I was like, if
I have to watch one more Possession Richard, like I'm
gonna like grind my teeth into dust, and no offense
to Will Richard. I just don't enjoy Summer League. But
so the things that we look at when we're talking
about Summer League is a lot of the efficiency and
the actual raw numbers just get thrown out the window.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of eye test stuff.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I think are really tough
to track is turnovers. Not tough to track, but when
I'm talking about them, if we bring them up, it's
because I actually think there's a problem. This wasn't just yes,
there's always gonna be the summer League. You don't play
with these guys normally for the most part, and then
especially when it's like a primary playmaker trying to throw
the ball to bigs, like the bigs at this level,
just a lot of them have trouble catching it or
just aren't in the right spot. And again, you're not
in the same wavelength. So if we bring up turnovers,
we're not you know, if someone had half their turnovers,
was like, oh, it's not their fault. That's not what
we're sighting when we're citing turnovers. And so that's why
some of these guys had like games with like six turnovers.
And I'm coming away like, man, their playmaking.
Speaker 3: Is really good.
Speaker 1: That's how I approach Summer League. And it's probably overly positive,
but I think that's fine. It's like, we're just trying
to get these general impressions in a snapshot of where
do we think these guys are at. Are we more
or less intrigued by them than we were when they
were drafted?
Speaker 2: Would would you say? And I don't want to put
words in your mouth, but it feels like I think
we kind of approach it the same way. Would you
say that when you're when you're evaluating like turnovers, is
it are they a problem type of thing? What you're
really doing with that and with other skills or lack
of skills is kind of trying to as best you
can project like will this be a pro or is
this a carrying skill? Like going forward? Like in the
type of player that this guy ultimately becomes, like where
does this particular issue or or positive thing sit right?
Like it's it's there is like some forecasting involved, so
like to that, to that turnover example, it's like if
the big guy that's underneath can't catch the ball and
you're the guard you're talking about has five turnovers, well
that's not something that projects for. But if it's like,
well he lacks strength and keeps getting stripped, like then okay,
that's something we might worry about in a point guard
for example, Like that is that kind of the lens
you view it through?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of the things who is like
I not even like I try and throw the handle
out the window because sometimes the spacing is so poor,
But it's just like where are they throwing their their passes.
But like you said, is it or they're just dribbling
into Travis. They're not a directionality to the way they play.
But yeah, we have like thirty names to get to.
I feel like we do get started, and we're gonna
we're gonna flip it. We're not gonna go alphabetically. We're
gonna go in reverse alpha medical order, which means, excuse me,
wrong scene.
Speaker 2: What do we begin with? Grant, We've got the Utah
Jazz and and I I'm just ecstatic that we're starting here. Uh.
We have Ace Bailey as their first Uh. They also
have Walter Clinton Junior. But I want you to talk
to me about Ace Bailey first, one of the most
interesting draft prospects, like full stop, just because of the
pluses and minuses. What did you see from him on
the good side of the ledger and on the more
concerning side of the ledger, and just any stray thoughts
on if you care to, like how how much does
all the pre draft like lack of interviews and and
any of that stuff, like did you see you can't
really learn that much about him that way in summer League?
Speaker 3: But I mean he played games.
Speaker 2: I think I know that everything there is you can
nail down his whole personality profiles. He like an e
NTJ or like a what that the Myers Briggs thing
tell me about a.
Speaker 1: So he does not play like someone who did not
want to be in Utah, which I don't think that
anyone expects him to be. You look at what I
was kind of impressed with, is it's cool that he
could get off these like ultra difficult jumpers. Those are
not going in just yet, and so like I still
believe in his shot creation overall, but I thought he
was at his best when he was kind of playing
within the flow of the offense. And it's again like
I said, it's it is a feature that he can
get off those off the dribble threes, those those fadeaway jumpers.
But what he's playing with him when he's coming in
for cuts or like hitting those corner threes, and there
was like some no dip action like he might have
showed there as well. I think the thing that I
was probably most impressed with was just the energy on
defense and then specifically on the glass too, Like this
was someone who was coming in like really trying to
and he has really good size.
Speaker 3: He looked bigger.
Speaker 1: Like being exposed to him a little bit more, he
looked bigger than like you're anticipating when you see what
he's listed at. And so I think that he's going
to end up being like, really valuable. There is maybe
a second effort guy when he doesn't have the ball necessarily,
and I was honestly expecting them to have the ball
in his hands. Even more, when you look at what
his profile is going to be for UTIL, you think
moving forward, but also kind of gives me hope to
where it's, oh, they might try to balance this, and
I think it's I think there's there's value in saying, hey,
here's this player like Jalen Wells with Memphis this year,
we're gonna put the ball in his hands a ton
in summer league to see what he could do there.
But if that's not the role that you're even gonna
sniff at the next time, I mean, maybe he's preparing
for that Desmond Bane type leap.
Speaker 3: Who knows.
Speaker 1: So I think there was value in trying to strike
that balance with Ace Bailey. And so when you look
at the offensive armory again, I think the on ball
stuff is there, The passing is gonna have to get
better though, Like that's a thing for him, is like
he can get some kind of just it's not tunnel vision,
but it just that he can be very singularly focused.
But I came away feeling better about Ace Bailey overall.
Speaker 2: Do you think and else, I'll only say this once
because it's going to apply to like every question I
ask you this caveat, it's too early to say for sure,
like just blanket that throughout every player we talk about.
Do you think that because part of the appeal of
Bailey landing in Utah was they don't have a cornerstone,
He's the most talented guy left on the board, like
by a fair amount, that was the consensus. Maybe he
is a cornerstone. It sounds like to me what you're
saying is that, at least for the moment, he's got
a lot more like supporting player skills in at least
as far as the cutting and the defense and the
glass stuff. Do you think did you see anything in
summer League that made it seem likely to you that
he is maybe the on ball like first option and
everything's built around this guy player.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I would point to again again the sample
size is just so terribly small, no turnovers, while getting
a ton of on ball looks and going into the
lane and not having right now again, he flashed some
of them, but maybe not having a ton of counters.
So when I look at that, like the ball control
in this setting where it's okay, Summer League is just
sort of this chaos. There might be lineups where there's
great spacing in there, but the fact that he did
feel like he was constantly playing under control. You look
at that and say, right, like I could see that
and some again, some of the shots you could get off,
Like when he's kind of getting to a fade away,
it's okay, Like he has the size to to get
that off. I'm curious to see how the like, the
more of the face up stuff, the off the dribble three.
Speaker 3: Specifically, like what does that come to be like for him?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: But yeah, I like, if there was a concern that
he wanted to be the guy so badly he wouldn't
be able to figure figure out how to toggle between
different modes. I and I had my concern just but
you know, you read those reports, so that's how we're
gonna like feel. But I came away just unconcerned about that. Like,
I think he's gonna figure out a way to fit
in while also standing out.
Speaker 2: All right, slightly smaller scale, lower stakes, still an interesting player.
Walter Clayton Junior, start bencher G League. Oh, I'm asking
you you have.
Speaker 3: To start him, right, like you just have.
Speaker 2: Well, if you're the Jazz and you're not starting him,
what are you doing that? Like? Why why not? Why
wouldn't you?
Speaker 3: I'm with you? Uh yeah, but so please take us
to this next due.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Walter Clayton Junior. So do the Jazz have another
starting point guard prospect that's gonna tantalize us and then
maybe not quite be good enough.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's summer League, So maybe I'm just
a literal you know, uh call them. Oh my god,
what's wrong with me? I've watched too much Sunner League.
Maybe a little Walter Clayton, Jude right pilled right now.
I think like he's gonna up their entertainment factor by
a value of infinity.
Speaker 3: Uh, there's a I think a.
Speaker 1: Lot of the like the people the scouts who had
watched him in school, like, oh, you could just get
off any type of shot, and they really just weren't.
Speaker 3: They weren't kidding.
Speaker 1: Like he was coming around screens, he was using escape
and gathered dribbles, he was snaking, picking rolls, he was
getting defenders on his back hip, dribbling into runners, attacking
right only to kind of pivot left, and even had
some moves after picking up his dribble.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I came away looking at him.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna have you know, I
think he's gonna take a lot of bad shots because
he thinks that he can make all of them.
Speaker 3: So when you look at what's gonna.
Speaker 1: Happen at the NBA like level, but man, there's also
a plug and play to the way that he scores.
I don't and I don't. He didn't seem like someone
who's gonna hijack possessions either. I don't know how to
feel about him as a playmaker just yet. I think
it's encouraging that with the exception of like one instance,
he didn't really have like these massive turnover issues. But
I didn't come away thinking, oh, like, this is maybe
someone who could lead the entire offense. At the same time, like,
I still think Isaiah Collier is probably unless I'm misremembering
who else is on their roster.
Speaker 3: I think Isaiah Collier is still pretty clearly the best
passer on this team.
Speaker 2: Got it start bencher G League for Clinton Junior.
Speaker 1: I think he needs to be. I mean it's like
what Utah is doing. I think he should absolutely be
like on the bench. I mean this is also someone
though when you look at Isaiah Collier at Kiante George,
if you're the Jazz Grant or you're head coach Will Hardy,
like you're really ruling out like maybe this guy is
kind of starting on like because you have Bryce Sensibot,
you have a whole bunch of players. But it's not
as cutt and dry as Peley. But it wouldn't shock
me if by the end of the season he is starting.
Speaker 2: No, I mean not with the way that George was
the guy until Callier was, and then maybe Collier's the
guy until Clayton is. So that's what it's a. It's
a I don't think G League is in play. I
think it's like start is actually a consideration for him
at some point. I think during the season also.
Speaker 1: Someone who could probably benefit just from getting if you're
not going to give him a ton of minutes or
on ball reps like, yeah, that could certainly help him
by going to the G League, of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's move to the San Antonio Spurs.
They've got a couple just like like Utah, one high
lottery pick and a later pick that's also interesting for
very different reasons. Dylan Harper number two overall, what did
you see? What did you like most from him? And
any any concerns on the other side.
Speaker 3: So I the efficiency wasn't there.
Speaker 1: I think that we could say this about everybody, but
for someone who's dealing with a groin issue, where it
was like, oh is he how much is he gonna play?
Speaker 3: Is he gonna play? He was moving like.
Speaker 1: What does he look like when he's fully healthy and
not dealing with a groin issue? Because the way he moves,
I was really like, the thing that's going to translate,
And I think everyone kind of understood this. He's just
going to get downhill, he's going to draw contact, he's
going to get to the foul line. So if you're
the Spurs, you're super confident in that. I thought the
live dribble playmaking has a long way to go. But
I also don't know how much of like some of
that was a timing thing with his teammates, who again
he hasn't known or played with before. But there were
just some passes where it's kind of like, oh, like,
why did you throw that? So like it felt like
it was happening in slow motion and made defenses able
to read it. But the overall control he has on
the ball incredible. The things that stood out to me
the defensive energy, I'll probably say that a lot with
this guy's like he was a lot tougher.
Speaker 3: To move on that side of the ball.
Speaker 1: And then again, while the numbers aren't going to support this,
when you're looking at the efficiency, his ability to move
away from the ball and kind of understanding like the
spots he needs to get to when it's whether in
transition or.
Speaker 3: In the half court.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, that's really gonna be big because what we've
talked about is a potential concern, not you know, an
irreversible concern. Is you have de Hearn Fox, Steph Castle,
and Dylan Harper's. You're gonna play two of them at
some point, but could you even get to a stage
can you play all three of them? I think Steph
Castle's defense and ability to guard up opens all sorts
of opportunities up. So I came away feeling better about
slotting him alongside one or both of them if you
want to get really kooky with your lineups.
Speaker 2: So that was I mean, maybe that's you can roll
this into the start bench de league question. What did
you see from him? If anything, that maybe gives you
a clearer sense of where he fits skill wise, specifically
with Fox and or Castle, Like what is he doing?
What is he providing that they won't the Spurs won't
get from those two guys, And maybe what does he
not do well that either of those two guys might
like make up for.
Speaker 1: So I think that there's what pretty clearly I think
he does better is you're not looking at Daron Fox
or Steph Castle and thinking that's someone who could classify
as a motion shooter. I think Dylan Harper could probably
do that and do it quite well, which again, that
helps because it allows you to move him off the ball.
And I think think right now Darn Fox is kind
of going to man and I mean, no surprise, Daran
Fox been in the league for what like almost a
decade at this point, I don't know where he's gonna
rank between the two when it comes to his playmaking.
I think when you look at just the live dribble
and the handle itself, I could see him being someone
who runs your offense. But when you're weighing him against
Darn Fox, then also Steph Castle, it probably I guess
you have to give the edge to Harper if he's
the guy that defenses won't go under against or sag
off of. But like, there's a chance that he ends
up being like ranking three of three when it comes out.
Let's rank these guys as passers.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I wouldn't predu. I really like him.
Speaker 1: I'm higher on him than I am Steph Castle overall,
who's a fantastic defender already, it feels like he'll end
up being the more complete offensive player. But there is
specifically two areas where I think you could look at
Steph Castle and say, oh, he's gonna be better than
him on defense. But is there a chance that he'll
be a little bit better of a playmaker, Which is
a weird thing to say when you look at Castle limitations,
but all the like and by the way, you have
like all three of these guys and certainly Fox and
Harper like they all profiles, like, oh, if they get downhill,
like they will draw fouls. Right, Like if we fast
forward three well maybe Fox in three years on how
old he'll be.
Speaker 2: But yeah, what do you do with him?
Speaker 1: I know you're asking me, but yeah, he comes off
the bench to start, right, because you don't want to.
I think for what he does, you like want to
stagger him from Fox a little bit, just because both
of them provide elements that you're most likely not going
to get from Castle.
Speaker 2: Right now, I think that's right, and it's all not
the worst thing to have him out there against backups
at least, you know, for his first half minutes for example,
and you can really game it so that he really
does spend most of his time, like you know, starting
the second quarter or the fourth quarter. So I do think,
I do think you play Fox and Castle over him.
But as we're talking about it, it does really feel
to me like Castle's the guy that is kind of
in for a tough test because I agree with you
that I think you want the ball in either Harper's
or Fox's hands first, and that kind of puts Castle
in an off ball roll where defenses don't take him seriously,
and so he just has to for for all this
to work, I think Castle either has to prove he's
gonna make open shots or do the even harder thing,
which is proved that he's a better on ball playmaker
than either of the other two guards that he's vying
for minutes against, And like that I don't see at all,
because it's just that hasn't been his game.
Speaker 1: Do you think he's like big enough and strong enough
to just he'll be like, especially because you have Wemby
as a floor space or in Cornett could technically space
the floor and Kelly Linix on this person, like, do
you consider just using Castle as a screen.
Speaker 3: Or some of those two?
Speaker 2: Like I mean implicit in that is like he's kind
of a three, you know a lot of the time.
So and I am. I guess he's probably big enough
to guard up, but he will run into matchups that
are just like I don't love him constantly on like
a six nine two thirty small forward. You know, that's
just that's not a good setup for him. Yeah, I
think the Castle dynamics can be really interesting. So we're benching,
we're benching Harper, but it's a it's a for your
own good benching going to the G League. No, that's out,
Carter Bryant. From what I saw, Dan, this guy can
guard and not do a whole heck of a lot else.
Has that been your assessment?
Speaker 3: Ah, yeah, pretty much. We can move on. So we'll
bring him off the bench and that'll be I will
say he did.
Speaker 1: I was really starting to worry about the three point shot,
and then he went four of six in that final
game against Charlotte, So I think he can hit those.
And when you're gonna get like when you're getting passes
from it'll be Harper and Castle and Fox, it should
like the look should be higher quality NBA spacing should
help him a ton. I don't think you need him
to do a ton on all. Like he'll show some
hustle on the glass too, like had some of those moments,
So I think that's good. But when you look at
his defense, Grant, I I don't. I'm trying to think
of like who this summer like and played as many
like games, by the way, because he ended up playing
in what six summer league games, I don't know who
maintained like in recent memory a better and as like
a not a big let's say, just a better ceiling
on the defensive end, because it's he profiles as a
three to four. But I think he can guard basically everybody.
And for the Spurs to just wind up with him
next to Victor Wembinyama, next to Stefan Castle, holy holy hell,
Like this is just there's and when I've looked at him,
because the way he moves is he's another player. Where
I was watching him and it was, oh, he just
looks like a lot bigger.
Speaker 3: And stockier than I was expecting. He's six 's eight.
He looks a little bigger.
Speaker 1: He's strong, and he's not like the quickest, but like
he understands like time and placement. He's obviously he's long enough.
He has a seven foot wingspan. I like, I don't
think he needs he doesn't need lateral foot speed to
go out and switch on to a guard. He's just
going to envelop everybody of all sizes, of all different prototypes.
You can't really dribble around him. It's an exercise in futility.
And he's like he's got shot blocking instincts too, like
on or away from the ball. This is if I
I thought he was gonna play enough, and you could
probably make the case that he feels their need for
the Spurs right now than Dylan Harper does. Like he
would be like a nice under the radar Rookie of
the Year pick, But we always gravitate towards scores, and
I don't know how much he's gonna play, so I
won't go that far.
Speaker 2: Is it fair to say that, I guess they have
two questions. Maybe let's frame it this way and you
can sort of answer the start bench g league through this.
You can get there through this. It is he someone
that defenses will care about, uh, Like because this is
the Spurs and we don't know what their floor and
ceiling is gonna be, but because they have Wemby and
because his ceiling is so high, it's it's reasonable to
consider questions like this, can he could could Bryant be
someone that is in the rotation in a playoff series
or in big regular season games and be taken seriously
on offense, so you can get his defense on the floor,
like because it has to be because he can't really
do anything else but make threes, right like offensively, So like,
maybe you disagree with that, but but I I'm just
trying to get to the bottom of like, if the
Spurs are any good at all, can he matter?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: I mean because one, I think just his archetype when
you look at if you don't even if you don't
want him dribbling, his archetype just still becomes hyper valuable
because of what he does defensively. I think he could
probably I would. I would say I'm closer to agreeing
with you than not. I think with something like he
should like there's there's he has sometimes a do too
much factor, but like if you need him to attack
like a straight line closeout or something, or just some
of the passes he might be catching, I think he'll
be more than fine. I think what's gonna be challenging,
And this is interesting when you're looking at it through
all the teams, is how do you develop his offensive
role on a team that's trying to be good, Because
I think when you look at some of these players,
it's you worry a lot of times about, oh, will
defense keep this rookie off the floor. And the answer
for some of these guys, like even a VJ. Edgecomb,
who will talk about later this week, that's that's a no,
like for card Like, the defense is not to keep
him off the floor.
Speaker 3: It is the offense.
Speaker 1: And when you're a Spurs team that hasn't had phenomenal
spacing around Wemby and you're not guaranteed to do so
necessarily next season. I don't know how much of an
immediate factor he is, but I do think over time,
surely I think that look back and say, okay, is
he like think about og Anenobi's offensive bag and there's
like a little bit more explosion there and he tries
that he has some more daring dude to what he does.
But it wouldn't shock me if it's something like that
to where it's, oh, we'd like to see him branch
out a little bit more, and there's moments where it
looks like he can. But overall, I think it's just
the threes will fall at a higher clip and ultimately
I think that's all that matters.
Speaker 3: When you look at what he does defense.
Speaker 2: You know, as we're talking about him, Shane Battier kind
of comes to mind as like a guy that's out
there because he can guard everybody. He's always in the
right spot and if he makes two threes, great game,
right like because he that means he has to be
honored out there, and that's really all you need from
this player. I still think that player type is valuable,
even though one of the things I've been thinking about
a lot is like, does everybody have to be able
to do something with the ball to be on like
a really good, like deep playoff team At this point,
the thunder would suggest the answers no, But like I mean, it.
Speaker 1: Does feel like we're going through a phase of though,
like teams want size with pass, dribble shoot type decision
making though.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, and he's not that right now. But
again I agree with you. So he's a he's a
bench right, Like he's not a starter, but like he's
also not someone you just the league.
Speaker 3: I do think we look.
Speaker 1: Back and maybe this is roly a dice a little
bit and this is gonna be someone who's like one
of the five.
Speaker 3: Or seven best players in the class.
Speaker 1: And that's like, as someone who's pretty high on a
lot of these guys now because I spend too much
time watching them stay tuned for my Alex Twee.
Speaker 2: But well I get it though, because he has a
superpower and he because he can just guard anybody, right,
It's like easy to project forward from that.
Speaker 1: I do think when if people haven't dug into him yet,
I just I watch him, and sometimes his defense doesn't
make sense because I'm so used to the way that
he's able to guard and the things that he's able
to do. I associate like with this raw detonation, not
just going straight up to block shots, but like this
sort of this east West explosion, and that's just not
how he defends. And yet he's kind of suffocating anyway,
And I'm putting him next to Wemby and Steph Castle
should honestly, like the NBA should outlaw that in its
next collective bargaining agreement.
Speaker 2: Man, now we're really gonna have to pay attention name
going forward, all right, Sacramento Kings are next in our
reverse alphabetical order, Summer League Superstar Nee Clifford. So this,
I will admit not super familiar with his game. I'm good,
I'm asking you. Do I owe him an apology for
not knowing because of the guys that generated a lot
of buzz, He's definitely, to me was the name where
I had to kind of double check the most and
be like, who's this again, so.
Speaker 1: I think he's a bust because the Kings were not
Summer League champions and so the dynasty not a winner.
I do, so I'll say my actual take is I
think he was just the best rookie in Summer League
all around, Like when you look at I think playing
times part of that. But because you could say, oh,
what about that second Cooper Flag game. Yeah, sure, Cooper
Flag is gonna be better than Neil Clifford. That's ground
breaking shit. But I think so I'm trying to figure
out before like get into some of the nuance of
what I liked about him. He just seems like he's
someone who is going to fill gaps for Sacramento but
then strengthen their strength as well. He just in the chat,
heine King will probably trade him to the Bulls regulator said,
Nick looked rough his last two games shot. I noticed
that with some of the guys, but'ch just like when
you're like in Vegas or something league specifically for that long.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna excuse you.
Speaker 1: I think the defensive energy a lot of the time
was still rare. He saw it a lot on the
offensive end. The offensive end, I don't this is like
kind of another guy to where it's all right, I
don't know, like you want him as your primary ball handler,
and it's he's six six, so I will call him
a wing even though like everyone's gonna list him as
a shooting guard. He has good feel like when you
look at his arsenal of passes, the degree of difficulty
on some of the threes he shot was actually outrageous.
Speaker 3: He hit this is the.
Speaker 1: One that's gonna live rent free, and I put it
in my notes. He hit a crossover step back triple
coming off a baseline handoff against the Cleveland Cavaliers, and
it was just like that was the moment for me, whereas, oh, right,
this guy has juice and I don't know if he
should sponge up and he reps at point guard if
he can, that's huge, Like that's a huge point guard
if you were I shouldn't say point guard. But oh
someone who we're gonna use with the bonus and be
our initiation that's bigger than Diaron Fox was, And so
I don't it's like it's DeMar de Rosen size ish basically,
And so I don't know if you can use him
that way. But if I'm the Kings, I'm in fall
on experimental moment, like Dennis Shruder is not. Oh Nie
Cliff can't get on ball reps because we've got Dennis
Shruder here now on a deal that's probably a little
bit too spicy. So the defense too, just like I
don't I don't know what I didn't like about the defense,
Like he's kind of just like he can be everywhere,
Like he can do the playmaking stuff, but he can
be like a timely rebounder if you needed him to.
He just like I said, he's gonna fill gaps but
also strengthen your strengths. And he's not gonna require you
to change anything about the way you play.
Speaker 2: Who's whose minutes is he chipping away at? And what
is the rea like in each case, what is the
like what is he, in your opinion, going to do
better that justifies Like I got I knocked off like
six of Keegan Murray's minutes, or three of Kean House's
or four of Milik Monks, Like who you know what
I mean? Like, yeah, You're you're talking about him as
like a gap filler, So I'm curious, like what will
what will he do that will justify him trimming minutes
from other guys that are more established.
Speaker 3: Dennis Shuter never should have been acquired. I would be
trying to.
Speaker 1: Move to Marta Rosen end or a Melik Monk immediately,
and I'd probably be Demarta rozen just because the downhill
stuff like Malik has more of that raw explosion. But
if you're looking for someone who's able to maintain a
live dribble, gonna give you some kind of like different
angles on his finishes around the basket or even his passes.
I think Nee Clifford long term is going to do
more of that than a Molik Monk. And just we
know Demarta Rosen's gonna age out by then.
Speaker 3: This is a move. I don't know.
Speaker 1: We haven't done our off season grades and we will
not do our off season grades until were strict free
agency is over, folks. That is that's not happening.
Speaker 2: So I'm like it so like November of twenty twenty
nine at this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so just yeah, around then the end of the decade,
I would think.
Speaker 1: But I think, yeah, I think that this is like
a move that we're both gonna end up loving it.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, the Kings did a thing that was
like we could, and we liked it.
Speaker 1: I will say I don't want to see him take
away playing time from Keegan Murray and Keon Ellis because
when I'm looking at this King's team, I think it's
important to have guys that either just have minimal weaknesses
or just like can fit around everyone. And I think
someone like a Demart Rosen or even malikue Monk when
you're looking at planning defensively, like those are guys you
have to plan around a little bit more than a
Nie Clifford, a ke On Ellis and Keegan Murray. And
also like Keegan Murray, like, let's figure out a way
to try and groom him on offense a little bit
more aggressively.
Speaker 2: Anyway, interesting, all right, let's move to the Portland Trailblazers
and the player I think I'm probably most interested to
talk to you about our guy, young handsome yea. So
I love that Nick Dame. I'm going to try to
stick I h we need to find the person in
credit them. But so, this guy was kind of the
one of the big stories of Summer League. Everything I
saw was at least interesting and occasionally like very tantalizing,
And I'm curious if over a larger sample you left
kind of feeling the same way about him.
Speaker 3: It was this is and I've gotten better.
Speaker 1: There are so many things that I'm bad at when
it comes to reactionary content, I've gotten better at. Just like,
we don't destroy picks unless we feel super strongly about
a player. So when the Blazers reached for him, I
was like, I don't really know, Like sure, like you.
Speaker 3: Might as well dagas way, why not?
Speaker 1: I didn't really know going and what to expect, and
watching him, I became very concerned, I'm gonna start with
the defense, even though I think that the offense is
sort of the main attraction for him. I was like,
kind of the same concerns I had with a Don
van Klingen or even a Zach Edie was always he
gonna end up being too slow. Yeah, and I think
there will be some of that against certain matchups, But
like this dude can I don't know. Again, I don't
actually know what he can become on defense. But he
ran the floor really well, like just kind of end
to end, not like oh, like you know, criss crossing
or anything complicated having to navigate that. But he's just
kind of huge and knows how to use it, like
he was a way better shot blocker than I had
read or just expected. And I think what really caught
my eye is he's another one of those bigs to
where no it's not like he's getting super low to
the ground or has this complicated footwork, but like he
can backpedal at such like with coordination and speed that
it's actually hard to get by him because he's most
likely playing so far off of you to begin with.
I think that this is just like, do I think
he can be the like base defender of a top
tier off a defense? I don't know, but I would
have absolutely ruled it out coming in. And so when
you have that attached to his offensive arsenal, which is
just like the passing and you could see it in
Summer League, it makes guys move around him.
Speaker 3: That's whether he's go ahead. Yah.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say that is that is to me,
the most conspicuous, conspicuously positive aspect of what I saw,
And it's like so few guys have that effect, right,
like Yoke, how far do we make it into the
handsome conversation before we mentioned Yoki? Like sorry, it's my fault.
It's just like anytime a big guy can pass, but
like it's so rare for a player at any at
any position, specifically the big spot to have the effect
on his teammates that he did in Summer League. And
these are guys that like probably met him like three
days before, you know what I mean. It wasn't like
they'd like gotten a tuned to like, well, when I
do this, he'll he'll throw this bounce pass. Like something
about him just makes guys move and and like that
that on its own is valuable because offense is worse
when it's stagnant, and if he's out there, it seems
like he makes it more dynamic and more there's just
more movement. So to talk about that and then sorry,
I just I totally agree that. That to me was like, oh,
that's that's a thing.
Speaker 3: Regulator says.
Speaker 1: Love that the Blazers trusted their scouting department to make
that pick.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: I think they were in a fortunate position to where
and look hard when Knox was here first, Like they
were just so stacked when you have so many dudes
that you maybe had the leeway to do that. But
now I'm looking at this and like start Bencher Gee League,
I'm like, shouit.
Speaker 3: He's dart over Timan click it. So that's that's how
you know that. I'm like two in the Summer League
Weeds right now.
Speaker 1: But the other stuff he's doing on offense too, there's
like a it's like a Gortadian way to how he
screens or whether it's coming off of handles where it's
like you know how you're gonna block the path of
like the like your guy behind you.
Speaker 3: He does that really well.
Speaker 1: I think when you looked at it and it was
the same game, so I'd have to go back and see,
but it was like he did that like three times
for Caleb Love and one of the Blazers games. I
was just like, what is there anything he can do?
And it's like, well, you look, is the three point
shot like gonna be proven enough? And the clip wasn't
what he shoot. I'll look at the percentages ended up
being like thirty three percent or thirty three point eight percent,
but like the stroke is there, and I think, Grant,
I'm curious how you feel about this. I'm just a
Blazers team that traded away. It's better shooter and Affony
Simon's well getting someone who is worse in Drew Holliday.
You have Damian Lillard who's not going to play this year.
You then sign were they the Blake Wesley team? Like,
that's not gonna be someone who improves your shooting.
Speaker 3: I hope I'm not wrong on.
Speaker 1: That, but like his floor spacing and look at their
other bigs, like that wasn't something Eighton did last season. Yes,
I know he's a Laker now, it's not something Donovan
Klingon should really be doing.
Speaker 3: It's not some r W three is gonna do.
Speaker 1: I guess you'd get some of it from dwop Wreath,
but he might be like sneaky important is just oh
you can run picking pops with him, and you need
that because we want Scoot Henderson above and Danny Afya
of course, like more than anyone. I think Scoot Henderson
just like, can we give that guy some space to
operate so we kind of understand who Scoot Henderson is
by the end of year three?
Speaker 2: Is he someone that you wouldn't because it's related to
the space in question? And maybe this is another like
start bench g League kind of way in to me
very early. It seems seems like he's someone who's maximal
value comes with a lot of touches, right, because that's
how you leverage the passing, That's how you leverage the
handoff game, the size, even the shooting. Like do you
do you see him as someone that can be really
successful and help a lot if he isn't like a
huge part, like not necessarily the total fulcrum of the offense,
But like do you see what I'm getting at? Like
it feels like the skills that he has are probably
best utilized in like a major offensive role. Can he
can he be helpful if if he is just kind
of standing out there spacing for example, or if he's
you know, just more of a screen setter and you're
not putting the ball in his hands a lot.
Speaker 3: Is that a plausible I think it is?
Speaker 1: You probably, I think with what he can do on
the ball, like even when it's from a lot of
it was outside in stuff, which I actually is encouraging
because he's comfortable putting the ball on the floor, But
like if you're gonna have him on the block, I
think that's probably like just making him maybe not the
center of your offense, but a co folkrum where he
would shine the most. At the same time, like I
do think he can be complimentary and there might even
be something too. Is that better for him early on
because one of the issues that I think he's gonna
have is the rebounding was not great and you did
see it on like some of his roles to the
basket where he could be physical and like maybe finish
with some force, but you're gonna go in the NBA
and like you need to be he'll get stronger. But
like he needs to play with more thrust, and I
think he has it in him, like just because we
saw it. So like if you put him in the
situation of having a screen and then roll, does that
force him to play with more thrust? And I think
it would unless he's gonna bail out kind of in
the short role stop for a floater.
Speaker 3: But he doesn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't seem to have that, Like if he was
gonna operate from there, it almost he had to be
in the mid post to start. It wasn't I'm gonna
stop mid b line to the basket. So I almost
think it might be better for him to do more
of that so he can experience like okay, Like I
need to do better of like figuring out how to
adjust to contact or just drawing it in general. But
that's an interesting question I hadn't thought about. Is I
think he can scale down? But it does get into
the proposition of like, well do you want him to?
And if you don't want him to, what does that
mean for Danny Avdia and Scoot Henderson and oh, Damian
Miller's gonna be on this team in twenty twenty six
twenty seven?
Speaker 2: Do you think opponents will try, like is it a
viable strategy to guard him with a non big like
is that you know in terms of his like willingness
to just be physical if he's guarded by a wing
or whatever, Like maybe teams try to get away with
that if if he's out I don't know if he's
ever gonna be out there with clinging, but just hypothetically, like,
can can you can he punish smaller? Like is he
physical enough? Is he like wired in a way that
will just be like you can't get away with putting
a smaller guy on me the.
Speaker 1: Way that I saw him put the ball on the
floor a couple of times, And just like if you're
going to defend him on the block with a smaller
player that he doesn't even need to play with force
at that point. And then if you're gonna send and
we didn't see this too much. I mean it's summer
League and he was sort of this unknown quantity. You
can't it's not even you can't send two the ball
on him, like you can't even like show a second
defender could because he will find them. But to your question,
I think he's capable of it. I just didn't see
it happening consistently. And so yeah, there's a if I'm
a team, I'm app and he's especially if he is
spacing or if he's gonna spend a lot of time
on the perimeter, I'm absolutely experimenting with that because that
might be one of the way that you limit what
we believe to be his superpower, which is just he
is so versatile on offense. I just keep coming back to, like,
he's gonna make the guys and the Blazers just one.
I mean, and we'll have to see how he gets
integrated there because his role, he's gonna have to scale
down if you want to see him get minutes right
the big club and then.
Speaker 2: If it's if he doesn't scale down, it's like, so, like,
you know what, That's why that question is so interesting
to me, is if he doesn't scale down, the trickle
down effect of that is like, Okay, so Scoot is
just like not our guy anymore as far as our
offensive engine or our perspective offensive engine, and it like
it changes a ton if he takes on anything approaching
like a Yoka troll or even forget that, like a
like some of alpernsching goons like higher usage like full
or sabonus. Like, if he takes on that kind of role,
suddenly he's in the middle of everything, which is I
mean great, if he's good enough to do that.
Speaker 1: What how do you approach it with the Blazers those
you're running the Blazers now, and you know the outline
the skeleton of John Hanson's game?
Speaker 3: What are you doing you have?
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I think Donovan Clinton's really the only
player that matters in this discussion because r W three
is always injured only as a year left on it,
He's probably a buyout candidate with the way things are
working at this point. What do you like, how do
you treat this? I think it's you could probably split it,
but it's just like, who are you more invested in?
Is like Donovan Clinton's the higher pick, and we know
he has We're just basing this off.
Speaker 3: A few Summer League performances.
Speaker 1: We know what Hanson's marketable or like most notable skills are,
but like Donovan Clinton has proven like he kind of
has an NBA level superpower right now.
Speaker 2: That Yeah, and so I think I'm still I'm bringing
Hanson off the bench for a number of reasons, but
not the least of which is like I'm trying to
keep Klingon's trade value a little higher. If it does
turn out that like these guys can't play together and
Hanson is like a total like offensive level razer, I
care more about that if I'm the Blazers then Clinging being,
you know, one of the five or six best defensive
centers with a lot of other limitations like kind of
priced in if you can play him together. Regulators asking
Twin Towers maybe like I think you got to give
that a shot. I don't know how successful I think
that might be, but yeah, I'm benching him, but I'm
very very open to it. Staring Hope Okay, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Just like, I understand that's egregious. And I actually I
was wrong about Donovan Klingon. I don't remember what I
said about it, it was it was preposterous.
Speaker 2: It was easy to be out on him though, Like right,
last year was a big year for like ground slow
non switch bigs, like they've made a real comeback, so
it was okay to be out on him.
Speaker 1: I don't you know, this is interesting regulars his twin
towers in the chat and we have so much less
chats going on.
Speaker 3: The normal people don't like this under league deep dives.
So so we'll make a note of this for next year.
Speaker 1: So I have you noticed were We've noticed that teams
are going more to double big, but now it seems
like they might be doing so without regard to maybe
the spacing compromises they needed to make. And maybe we're
just we've seen too much of the Houston Rockets. But
Steven Adams and Alphin Shangun together you add Clink capella
to that, and so I would normally look at this
and say no, Donovan Klingon and yanghas like they can't
put like the lack of foot speed there technically on defense.
I don't know what that's going to look like, but
it seems like what NBA teams are thinking, and like
because offensive rebounding is a thing again, I do like
I understand that aspect of it, but I can't remember
who made this point, and I haven't thought about it
this way.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was Nate Duncan.
Speaker 1: But it feels like NBA teams might now do this
without regard for the spacing because on defense, you can
play one of these bigs aggressively and then you have
someone else behind them to cover it up, and so
it's very easy. I think Karl Anthony Towns and Mitchell
Robinson are kind of a perfect example there. But like,
can you do that with like we could definitely we've
seen it in Houston. Could you do that with these
two bigs in Portland? Is that something you're willing to
or if you're that grant.
Speaker 2: I mean one hundred percent yes, if any of Hanson's
shooting is real, because then on offense you're getting kind
of more, you're getting what you need. I think it's
I think it's worth a shot either way, just because
it does feel like things are trending in that direction.
And and really a big component of this is like,
I don't know that the bigs that the bigs that
used to for like a five to eight year stretch
felt like they were dinosaurs. I don't know that those
guys have gotten any more skilled. I think schematically, teams
have gotten better at figuring out ways to keep one
and sometimes two of those guys on the floor, which
using the kind of stuff you're talking about, where like
maybe you stash one on the weakest shooter that hangs
out in the corner and he's just kind of a
backline help guy. The other guy's the one that has
to handle pick and roll stuff just in a drop,
And guys like team schemes are good enough now that
you can get away with that. So yeah, I think
I'm trying it. I'm not ready to jump on the
starter train quite yet, but that'll just give it so
you're way out ahead of the curve on him, you
know what.
Speaker 3: That's disrespectful of Donovan kling In.
Speaker 1: But maybe, like every other game, can we do something
like that like a rotating star?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Great, h probably not on him. Who are we
going to next?
Speaker 2: We'll go to the Phoenix Suns. Cayman malawatch number ten
pick acquired in the Kevin Durant trade, essentially.
Speaker 3: With the Sons his own pick. I find that thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Suns via Rockets via Suns. In fact, I learned
higher standing reach than Victor women Yama. So obviously he
was the best player in Summer League.
Speaker 1: Right, Uh, false, that's fake news, sir. I feel a
little bit worse about him. And you know why I
feel a little bit worse.
Speaker 3: Is he's eighteen. He very much looked eighteen. That is fine.
Speaker 1: I think some of the stuff, the defensive footwork and
positioning like he was sometimes just like kind of tilt
I'm moving away from the mic.
Speaker 3: Like so I'm doing my job poorly. He's kind of tilted.
Speaker 1: And he's also just like in no man's land at points.
I don't like there's some energy there and like.
Speaker 3: There was some moments.
Speaker 1: But putting him on a Sun's team that has a
right now just does not have like a floor general
or like a really elite lob thrower is criminal. And
I think you could say that about well. Mark Williams
is on this team too, and Devin Booker can do
some of that stuff, but I don't think he should
have to is the problem, and so it's a do
you want Jalen Green or Grayson Allen doing that? Like
what are we kind of doing here? So I think
CP three would have been so great for them because
I think he could have helped all of their bigs
Mark Williams, Nick Richards, malawatch. But he's just I came
away feeling a little bit worse with the caveat that
he's just so young. I don't know why you would
feel worse. And Phoenix seems to be very high on him,
which they drafted him at ten. But like some of
the things scouts said to Keith Smith of SPO Track,
just they think he's going to be like a top
tier big man. I didn't see that during Summer League.
I guess the complexion the trajectory changes quite a bit
if you buy into like the the three point exploration,
like that could be big.
Speaker 3: But that's all. That's also just those feel I don't.
Speaker 1: Even want to say breaking case of emergency, but it's
more of just like an add on to what he's
gonna do best. You're not gonna look at him out
watch and be like we need that dude to take
as many three as Victor women Yama, because if he is,
I don't really know what that means.
Speaker 2: Well, and that argument is is always one that you
make with a guy that's this young that can't do
that right, Like it's like, well, if he could just
shoot a three. It's like, I don't know, we were we
saying that about Clint Capella like thirteen years ago, Like
you know what I mean, Like anytime there's a guy
that has like great measurables, it's pretty clearly like significant
defensive potential, the good size, it's like, well, if you
could just add a three, you know like that, Yeah,
of course you know that's so I guess then this
is not someone that's gonna push Mark Williams or kind
of like make the Sons not skip a beat in
the likely event that Williams misses time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be pretty surprised if it happens in
year one?
Speaker 2: Where is he playing over Richard's.
Speaker 3: I mean, if the Sons are trying to win games,
probably not.
Speaker 2: I assume they are. I don't know, well, they.
Speaker 1: Have nineteen point four million dollars in dead money on
the books, I think, I don't know.
Speaker 3: So what would you.
Speaker 1: Make of it if you know, you know, like what
the lowdown was on Malawatch coming into Summer League, what
he's supposed to be a prospect. Now, I'm gonna tell
you I came away feeling better about he opened Summer League,
like with a little glimpse into his floor game where
like spins into a left handed hook shot. I came
away feeling better about him doing something like that than
I did of him being like this consistent screener, roller finisher.
And that's with me, the caveat of rethrow efficiency out
the window. But if I'm coming away from this and
saying that it's like, is that good because it's oh
the skills that he's supposed to be good and he'll
just develop, or is it alarming?
Speaker 3: Is it nothing?
Speaker 1: It's this, is and this. Honestly, I don't think this
situation helps him, Like I really think they need to
get like more of an offensive organizer game map like
Tias Jones in the Tias Jones role for this team
would have mattered a great deal this season.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, so then in that case, to answer your question,
I would have just rather him show that he was
good at the like two or three things I hoped
I was getting out of the draft, you know, like
can you catch a lob? Can you defend the room?
Speaker 1: And he seems like when he kind of like really
zeros in, And I think that and Chandler sv sas
Sons will probably trade Nick Richards back and back to
the one that they love swapping setters. They should probably
just trade Nick Richards because you don't have an incentive
to be bad this year. But like you're invested in
Malwatch and I don't, like, I assume the Devin Booker
extension was just hush money until he eventually wants out.
Speaker 3: That's just that's that's how I viewed that.
Speaker 1: So I I'm not I wouldn't write him off by
any stretch. And I can like kind of see what
like they viewing him. But I I don't know how
much of this was Summer League where it's okay, the
playmaking and like the chemistry is already gonna be spotty,
But are we sure it's gonna get a lot better
when he goes into like Phoenix is actually doing this year?
Speaker 2: Well, so then are he's clearly not a start? Is
this a is this a bench? Or do you think
he would benefit from being in the G League, man,
I think.
Speaker 1: You probably benefit from being in the like if we're
trying to like view it as where is he spending
both of his time? Because I don't if the Suns
are being serious that they're trying to win games, I
don't know that man, which is, by the way, he's
a teenager, so that's fine. So I'm just gonna say
G League, which I think a lot of people may
think is egregious when you're talking about a top ten pick.
He did have, like the he faced Johann Berenjay like
in the Minnesota game, and he had some moments against him.
But I came away from that game and overall from
some of the feeling better about Baron Jay and Chann
the RESTV says in the chat Nick Mark malawatch A
is super similar. Should no joke move off Nick and
give Malawachi? Yeah, I think if my whole thing is
just grant like the Sons, don't we know, there's no
incentive to be bad, but like, you have no badin
in being good, so why not give him? If I
were the Sons, I would just probably start him, like
I'm fine with the Mark Williams trade.
Speaker 3: And maybe you don't start him.
Speaker 1: But you know that Mark William probably shouldn't be playing
a ton of minutes anyway. But he's my second big
if I'm the Suns just because I love Alaso Wigadaro.
But you have this top ten pick invested in him,
just see what you have. But then do you think
it does a disservice if Devin Booker or Jalen Green
or your day facto point guards. And again, I think
Devin Bookers underrated passer. You know that I've said that
a bunch. I just think that he's better with like
an Ohsobigadaro type big than he is, like, oh, you
need to pass these guys open or hit these guys
for lobs.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know if that's his strong suit.
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I think it's asking too much of
him and he hasn't shown it that he's like the
guy that will just Chris Paul is the good counter example,
like I'll just make this guy better because I will
spoon feed him. He's getting eight points a night, just
that he doesn't have to do anything for all. Right, Interesting,
let's go to the Oklahoma City thunder Here continuing reverse alphabetically,
another exciting, like an asterisk rookie because he missed all
of last season, was drafted injured, essentially Nicole A. Topich.
I get so before you just give the general impression, like,
what I'm most curious about is like, is he someone
because look, hey, newsflash, the thunder won the title, but
they did not have great secondary creation all the time.
Is he someone that you think can do that? And
is he someone that you think will actually be good
enough at that to pull minutes away from what's otherwise
like one of the deepest, maybe the deepest team in
the league.
Speaker 1: The answer is just yes to all the above. Okay,
we still have questions about the shooting for him, but
you could see the passing, you could see the field.
I think what's also interesting is how do you figure
out how to get reps for someone like him on
a team that already has some of the most established
players his movement away from the ball, like for someone
who's coming off an ACL injury, that's like, where's the
we need to have the Apologies. I'm sorry it wasn't
familiar enough with your game meme up here, because I
thought that was actually phenomenal and that's like a way
for him to kind of like the way that aj
Mitchell broke his way into the rotation to start last
season was Yeah, it took injuries, but he was able
to just plug and play. I came away from TOPA
just like, well, this dude is way more plug and
play than I thought. But he like I don't know
what to make of the three ball at the same time,
like he drilled like a couple of self created bombs
and one of them was it was just against the pacers,
and I was, all right, now can we get him to.
Speaker 3: Actually take those types of shots. I don't know. He
wasn't really looking at the back either from the perimeters.
Speaker 1: There's I'll forgive any turnovers in summer League, and I'm
even more so gonna like forgive them because his usage
was through the roof for a lot of those games.
He probably needs to Like there's he is flash meets substance,
but he does lean too much towards like you don't
not every pass needs to be like one handed and all.
Speaker 2: Now you have my attention.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of like you. It's it's not he
doesn't move the same way, but it's just like you.
So manager nobly like would try things a few too
many times, and he like kind of has that like
superfluous flair that he plays with. But it's fun to
watch that, I would say.
Speaker 2: I mean, look that that so that's very exciting to me.
That's the most that's the most intriguing thing. You said
that he's a little too flashy. I'm on, I'm super
on board.
Speaker 1: The other thing, too, is when I mentioned his off
ball movement, like it kind of scaled to the defensive
end too, and so it's like, oh, all right, of
course the thunder have just somebody that might be okay
off defense that people weren't really talking about defense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is he someone that's just imagine it's December and
Shay and Jadab are not on the floor and Topitch
has the ball, he's running the offense. Is he someone
that you just in a high pick and roll, He's
gonna turn the corner, maybe get the guy, get the
defender on it back, Like is that something that he
can do? And just like, oh my god, he's got
everybody right where he wants him, Like is he that
level of sort of like floor mapper, like like you
know what I mean what I'm getting at, Like, is
he someone that like just with a screen, he has
compromised the defense and now has options off of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that he'll And I also just like
playing with Yeah, with all due respect to like Brandon Carlson,
who I actually I took. I put him in the
first round of a when I did a redraft, by
the way, for anyone who cares, But like when you're
looking at the bigs that he was playing with in
Summer League, I just like to play with the god
from that to Chet and the Hartenstein I mean, and
even big.
Speaker 3: Jaylen Williams, Like I just yes, I think he can.
I don't.
Speaker 1: There's like a change. I compared him to shake gilges
Alexander leading into the draft last year. I might not
ready to move off that entirely. There's like a change
of gears so that I don't think he's gonna do
that stuff right off. Rip and Shay always had just
you don't maybe don't trust his three point shot like
intrinsically relative to other players, but you trust him like okay,
like he got Like I don't feel that way with
Topitch just yet. And I think that he kind of
suffers more from a passivity as a scorer. So that's
something that defenses will adjust to and maybe make him
easier to guard. But he's someone that I think at
the NBA level, maybe not right out of the gate,
but like if you mentioned December, let's say February post
All Star Break, if you're trying to like conserve your guys,
I think he's someone who could eat up a lot
of on ball usage and like not make it look like, oh,
we're trying to develop too hard, Like no, might feel
more organic, as in.
Speaker 3: Oh, this is actually helping us.
Speaker 2: Okay, start, you start?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you started?
Speaker 2: He started?
Speaker 3: What's the it's bench?
Speaker 1: Because I want to see it, But it's all so like, oh, well,
then how are we like who's it might have to be?
Speaker 3: Gee? Well not just to look at this year.
Speaker 2: With the thunder specifically, though, you can definitely pull minutes
from Cruise. So during the regular season, like maybe you
just you play him twice a week or whatever, and
he plays fifteen minutes most nights because who cares and
you just want him healthy late in the year, and
then it's like is it Wiggins or is it uh?
Is it Joe? I guess that you're at or Wallace
even you're probably not taking Wallace's minutes, but there's I
think there will be minutes there assuming the Thunder really
take the view of like, we're thank you, Eric, we
agree we are.
Speaker 1: Our biased opinion, Eric is one of the smartest human
beings to ever grace this.
Speaker 2: Or Okay, that's enough on toepitch, Let's get to Brooks.
I have So how much do you have to say
about Brooks Barnheiser? You see, I actually.
Speaker 1: Do have things to say, but only well because he
was First of all, can we tell anyone who's watching,
can we take a minute to appreciate that this dude
was definitely doing like bicep curls and push ups before
you like, we see.
Speaker 2: The for sure there's a pump going on there.
Speaker 3: Right. First of all, good for him, I favor.
Speaker 1: But what I want to say, well, maybe I'll start
with the player before my actually overarching thought on like
the Thunder really just did it again, Grant. It turns
out Oklahoma City selected another grittiest hell perimeter defender with
top shelf basketball IQ is that how how surprising is that.
Speaker 2: You knock me over with a feather?
Speaker 1: So the on ball pressure he could provide is insane?
Like can cover the entire floor. Now it's oh, a rookie.
I don't know how much it's gonna play, But Cason
Wallace and Alex Caruso are just also on this team
as his blue door.
Speaker 3: This is this is stupid stuff. Now, grant uh.
Speaker 1: He can get strips, he will force turnovers away from
the ball, and he does this like it is p
is his primary life source. His aggression can mutate into
like over eagerness, and there will be some fouls. But
it wasn't like egregious in something like in Summer League.
Is oh, you get the ten fouls across a forty
minute game. And I didn't come away thinking that he
would ever be someone who came in locked eight minutes
and picked up four fouls or something. Again, the thunder
did it again there offensively shocker questions about the jump shot,
I still have them. I think that he's probably like
if you can give him super wide open looks, if
he could just like put a little bit more I
don't know if it's arc or just needs to put
more moop behind them, but a lot of his shots
just felt the fall short.
Speaker 3: Your move chip angled.
Speaker 1: So we have him in Oklahoma City by the way,
So I assume he'll eventually shoot forty percent from three
on five attempts or more per thirty six minutes. I
thought that, like the overall balance of his offensive portfolio, though,
was very solid. He has a little bit of a handle.
He tries to get like too cute with it when
he's attacking the paint, but he also when he's really
at his best, there's control in the half court to
where all right, No, I don't know that you want
him running when you're looking for those secondary ball handlers.
Speaker 3: You want him running pick and rolls and initiate any offense.
Maybe not, but I'm not ready to say no.
Speaker 1: Like he has kind of like stop on a dime,
throw up a floater, can use a little bit of
more tricks with the shoulders and body to try and
get to the basket.
Speaker 3: Uh, do you have anything on that? Before? What I'm
questioning about the thunder like macro with I.
Speaker 2: Was gonna ask you what positions you're comfortable with him
guarding all of them? Okay, no, justill just the ones
on the floor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the ones on the floor. Maybe some of
the ones that are in the locker room at points.
Speaker 3: So this is probably I'm gonna say one through three. Yeah,
with like the ability to maybe he could scale up
to four.
Speaker 2: More more Wallace than Caruso in that sense, because Caruso
you can get away with on some fives, but Wallace
is like strong and good enough for threes, but not
quite a one through four guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. He's pretty strong.
Speaker 1: It's just like like he could be technically. I could
see him being a lou Dort replacement eventually if you
thought so, because he's six' five and what is Lou?
Speaker 3: Dohrt he's six, four he's.
Speaker 1: SIX i, mean there you, go like, Now it's just
It's that's like What i'm kind of getting into is
when people are worried about can the THUNDER i, see
can they keep their big three. Together i'm not saying
they're gonna end up doing, this but you could move
off of a loudhort In Alex, caruso even If Cason
wallace ends up getting more, expensive and it's, well we
Have Aj mitchell on a cheap contract, or we have
Brook Brooks, barnheiser who has shown all this. Stuff, Defensively
i'm not saying he's going to be as good as
any of these guys in all likelihood it's The, thunder
so maybe you assign more value to it, happening but
are a, Likelihood, no he's not going to be those.
Speaker 3: Guys they've just.
Speaker 1: Peppered themselves with All, like some of these guys get too.
Expensive it's, Well Nicola topinch still might.
Speaker 3: Just be pretty. Cheap, yeah and that's another ball handler right.
Speaker 1: There and if he's not gonna hurt you, defensively he's,
Not like he can't Replace caruso and he can't Replace,
loudort so that gets a little. Trickier but, like could
he if you have some of these guys in a
rookie skill like let's Say barnheives or A J mitchell super,
cheap you feel, okay like having two of them versus
having to Pay caruso or Lou dort on his next.
Deal not decisions The thunder need make right, Now BUT
i think people are under selling where it's twenty twenty,
seven that's gonna be the year they make them some
tough decisions, maybe but also maybe not well.
Speaker 2: And look like there'll be a third wave two because
of all the picks like so like right around the
Time barnheuser And topitch get. Expensive there's gonna be like
the twenty twenty nine and twenty thirty first they've got
coming in from god knows. Who so, yeah, LIKE i
DON'T i think that's a real. THING i, mean you
just against. That you have to weigh just the chronic
uncertainty of like how long windows are, open and like
what's gonna happen with their three best play like all that.
Stuff but, like, YEAH i, DON'T i MEAN i. Wouldn't
The thunder are set up better to sort of keep
this thing running than any TEAM i can. Remember like
that's just, that that's a fact because of the guys
that are in there now on rookie scale deals and
the guys that are like sophomores in college or in
high school right now that they're gonna repopulate the roster with.
Speaker 1: Soon or is it surprising to you that they weren't
the first team to acquire some type of twenty thirty
two draft pick a little?
Speaker 2: BIT i mean there's still time that could.
Speaker 1: STILL i, Mean brooklyn got. IT i JUST i would
assume THAT okac on draft night would.
Speaker 3: Have been like the first.
Speaker 2: Team OH i, See, yeah they weren't the first one
to get a twenty thirty. Two all, right so this
is still, though just because of the positional, Glut barnheiser
is A g, leaguer right like just sort of has to.
Speaker 1: Be, YEAH i think that he's not gonna fill like
there's a chance That topis could fill a need right.
Away he's just when, YOU i, mean we named all
of them, already it's just Knocking Jallen. Williams we didn't
even mention, it like WING J, dub we didn't even
mentioned him. Yet so there's just, yeah SO i WOULD
i would SAY g, league but this is someone who
this isn't gonna don't think it's gonna be A Dylan
jones situation where they're looking to get rid of him
after a.
Speaker 2: Year, gotcha all, Right, Dan it's time to talk about
The New Orleans. Pelicans let's start with the guy they picked, highest,
Uh Jeremiah. FEARS i, mean this was a player that came,
in like even if even people that liked him were,
like there are some real potential problems here with the
size and with the turnover propensity and with the. Shooting
did you leave The Jeremiah fears experience feeling like the
concerns were greater or less than they were like around the.
Speaker 1: Draft so they're less then for, ME i think because
his strengths translated really really well where it's and.
Speaker 3: Maybe you won't see as much of this In New.
Speaker 1: ORLEANS i don't know how to feel About New orleans
a spacing this, year just because they do Have Trey,
Murphy Sadik bay's, healthy they Got Jordan poole who shot
really well last. Year But Jeremiah fears is just like
he will get downhill and figure out how to get
to the basket even if there's no spacing around, him
and SO i think that's really. IMPORTANT i came away
probably feeling a little bit better about his passing. OVERALL
a lot of, it, though does feel, Like, okay this
is gonna have to come out of. DRIVES i don't
know if you want him to have to slow down
and run the offense that. WAY i also think that
when you're looking at him getting downhill the, finishing it
didn't pop all the, time AND i think some of
that has to do with his take off points and
then he. Does he's someone who definitely gets like tunnel,
vision and those can be self saboteurs for. HIM i
don't know what to ding him for with the three
point shooting, though because we knew that was a concern for,
him and so like it was if if it's still a,
concern but it's. Not to, me it's not any greater
of a. Concern it's just in the context of The
New Orleans, pelicans is that what they need from the guard.
Speaker 3: SPOT i don't feel AND i felt this.
Speaker 1: WAY i think coming Into Summer, LEAGUE i DON'T i
feel better About Derek, queen LIKE i would still rate,
him and we're gonna talk about him in a. SECOND
i do think, though what popped with me for the
passing is like when he really was surveying the floor
and had his head up on his drives or at
least like not just looking straight, ahead he would have
had so many more.
Speaker 3: Assists and you.
Speaker 1: Could say this about a lot of, guys but he
would have had a lot more assists, if like The
Summer pelicans hit more shots like off of his. Passes
so that is someone, who like you want to put
the defense into rotation or get other guys. Open that's
a big deal because Like Zion, WILLIAMSON i Just i'm
going out on a limb, here he might miss some. Time,
grant it's like to have somebody could do, That why
would you say?
Speaker 3: THAT i, Know i'm.
Speaker 1: Sorry to have someone that could do, THAT i think
is absolutely. Huge SO i feel better About fears following
His vegas. Stint it's not that to, me he didn't
disprove any of his, weaknesses BUT i think that he
proved that nucleus of his. Game the driving, again the,
finishing even though it wasn't, pristine and then of course
the foul. DRAWING i think that translates right.
Speaker 2: AWAY i asked wass this BECAUSE i just trying to
get a sense of how to think About. Fears did
he remind you of anybody? Like is there you? Know
in Basically i'm looking for small guard comps that like
he flashed glimpses of small guard. Comps man did he,
well maybe the question is did He as you're watching,
him were you like this guy's? Undersized did that was
that part of Your.
Speaker 3: It was like he could stand a get a little bit.
Stronger it was so how tall Was john WALL i think.
Speaker 2: He was listed at six, four but so probably he
was six two or six.
Speaker 3: Three so LIKE i think he's probably not as.
Speaker 1: PHYSICAL i, mean But Jeremiah fears is listed at six to,
three AND i guess that you quibble over do you
think that he can be a point?
Speaker 3: Guard AND i think That John wall what? Prime John
wall developed some.
Speaker 1: PATIENTS i just because he doesn't pop necessarily athletically like
A John, Waller Russell westbrook Or Derrick.
Speaker 2: ROSE i, mean three of the, best.
Speaker 1: Right but that's like Who i'm gravitating. To and he
doesn't play with the elegance of like What John morant.
Did SO i, don't, MAN i don't know what the
comp is good chat is a good comp For? Jeremiah
do you know what his pro comp?
Speaker 3: Was? Like what was the most Popular Jeremiah?
Speaker 2: Fear Oh, GOD i HAVE i, Mean i'm Sure Darius
garland got, mentioned just because that's that's the most recent
successful smallest. GUARD i, mean He fears has to play point, guard,
Right like he Can't if he's a, two then he's
just like so much less. Valuable like is there did
you have a did you? HAVE i, MEAN i don't
want to like misconstrue what you're, saying but like you
don't view him as someone that would play the two
like he has to be a, one doesn't.
Speaker 1: HE i think that he could have The, YEAH i
would put him on the ball BECAUSE i think that's
where he's going to be strongest right. Now and JUST
i do wonder though because the level of difficulty on
some of his shots and again they're not going in right,
now it does make me hopeful, That, okay well maybe
there is someone who can hit like some of these
set white like because when you look at some of the,
guys excuse me on The, pelicans AND i Think Derek
queen when he's healthy And Zion. Williamson of, course they're
gonna get their own drible. Penetration Like Jeremiah fears has
the tools to be like can he do like a
like just cut, in whether it's on the corner or
like from forty five degrees? IN i think he can
do some of that, Stuff But i'm developing him as
an on ball point. GUARD i THINK i do though
with all, that and now he has the bigs for
DO i think work better for him than maybe where
it's playmaking will pop even. More the question is is
they're enough spacing around? Him and you could, say like
does that spacing come in the form of players who
make sense around. Him AND i was just about to
mention as, chandlers he says in the, chat like Playing
fears And pool together. DEFENSIVELY i just really don't know
how that's going to work.
Speaker 2: Out, right all? Right so is He it sounds like
he's not a. Start is he a bench or A
G league?
Speaker 1: GUY i would bet he could come off the bench for.
Sure AND i, mean like you have like this high
equity invested.
Speaker 2: The seventh, pick you sort of you have to with
the pick That, OKAY i.
Speaker 1: Think you can question do The pelicans have more invested
right now In Jeremiah fears or this, guy Mister Darren?
Speaker 3: Queen, well did.
Speaker 2: They give up an unprotected first For Jeremiah?
Speaker 3: Fears, no they used the seventh overall pick on him
instead of Number what was he? Thirteen twelve?
Speaker 2: Thirteen, YEAH i mean it's so, Uh Derek queen got.
Hurt he's gonna miss what is it like a twelve
weeks with the wrist.
Speaker 3: SURGERY i was just, yeah just read are?
Speaker 2: You? Yeah, no he? Reevaluated so then who, knows like
how much longer that's gonna? Go throw that? Out just
talk as you know from what he actually did on
the court prior to prior to a huge bummer of an.
Injury just, like regardless of how you feel about The
pelicans' machinations to get, him that sucks for him and for.
Them what did he show?
Speaker 3: You uh?
Speaker 2: That, WELL i guess the million dollar question is like
did he show enough to justify the tense spot move
up and the unprotected pick being traded to get? Him,
LIKE i don't know how he possibly could, have but
you have to view it through that. LENS i think
just because that that's a thing that, happened.
Speaker 1: Right and it doesn't so it doesn't color my evaluation of.
HIM i think IT'S i tried to untether it from
what they gave the opportunity cost of getting. Him BUT
i understand why The pelicans coveted him so coveted him so.
Much but with that being, said AS i mentioned at
the top of The fears, THING i would have just
Taken Derek queen a number because SO i look At,
FEARS i think he can end up being a GOOD nba,
Player BUT i don't look at like that wasn't a
can't miss prospect to. Me BUT i also try to
recognize that those prototypes of players like, that And I'm
i'm not comparing him necessarily any of, them but like
even A. Rj, barrett who's probably a more dynamic and
bigger form of that type of. Player but like The Cam,
thomases The Jalen, greens like those players just really aren't
my cup of. Tea So i'm trying to like my
bias creeping in. THERE i think, AGAIN i Think Jeremi
fears can be an IMPACTFUL nba. Player If i'm The
pelicans and my intention was to be good this, SEASON
i wouldn't have been viewed incorporating two lottery picks as
a priority number one and then. Two Like Derek queen
is just going to be a BETTER nba player to,
Me and there was look slopping has permeated everything he.
DID i think that the turnovers would get better if
he had more, chemistry but also just like the passes
come a be too. Late he has when you look
at how big he, Is, yes the handle is, good
but it's also like too far out in front of
him and he will just sometimes and he would just
dribble like right through traffic or try to and it's
not going it's not going to go well spoiler, alert
but Man grant like he just has. FEEL i, KNOW
i hate throwing out that word BECAUSE i KNOW i don't.
Speaker 2: APPALL i love talking about feel so that it's LIKE
i know when you see, It so point to talk
to me about like a play or two that gave
you that sense of, like, oh he's like he's got
he's got. It he's got that intangible feeling like what
kinds of things was he doing that made that apparent to.
Speaker 3: You so there was the.
Speaker 1: GAME i think it was against THE i want to
say it was The timberwolves. Game and so just like
the way that he's able to work from the outsiding
while using his live. Dribble, again if he's gonna get
some space there and it's he's going to throw passes
from all over the, Floor and like the assists don't
really show. That again In Summer, LEAGUE i think he
finished with seven assists through three, games which doesn't feel
like a, lot but you can like see him just
kind of scanning the, floor mapping the. Floor AND i
think what's also encouraging that it's like the, jumper is
he ever gonna be like someone who could like score
from the. PERIMETER i don't, know but he has some
like pushot touch and like feathery touch around the. Basket
but WHAT i think is a big deal is like
he can move without the, ball and so if there
was ever a pathway to like him working With Zion,
williams and it feels like that's it Because zion is
just if he's gonna work without the, ball whether it's
gonna be like a cut in Or canny's green and,
Roll LIKE i Think Derek queen can just do a
lot more different things away from the ball when it
comes with more of that limited range again that you
get From Zion williamson as. Well so between that and
just like knowing how to carve out the opportunities for.
Himselves AND i think you look at his best scoring
performance came and what was his final outing against The.
Trailblazers he had seventeen, points again only on five of eleven.
Shooting the thing that really stuck out to me is
just that he will move at kind of his own
cadence and like he will wait out the defense to
get to like what he's going to need to maybe
get to his spots or he's going to be able
to score with kind of like different sleights of. Hand
and then also if you're looking for As i'm just,
like you, know, throwing, dumping vomiting all my notes out,
here if you're looking for hope that, oh like maybe
he has some expanded range seven of eight from the
foul line in that, game and as someone that has
the body to draw, fouls there might be a does
he play explosive?
Speaker 3: Enough he?
Speaker 1: Is this is the thing we did not know. Yet
he is very much as groundbound as. Advertised it doesn't
seem like it's gonna prevent him from being a double
double machine, though WHICH i think is going to be
valuable on the. Glo and just like specifically as someone
if he's going to be off the ball or just,
looking maybe it's gonna come off his own misses like
that dude is gonna figure out ways to make an
impact on the offense offensive glass as, well like so
long as The pelicans are going to let. Him and
SO i came away just there's a lot of rawness
here for, Sure but LIKE i came away, thinking all,
RIGHT i get why The pelicans wanted him so, badly
but it it made me even more curious as to
why he just wasn't their pick at number.
Speaker 2: Seven got? It, okay so he's a bench, too because
you're not sending him down obviously in the starting, lineup.
Speaker 3: Is, WELL i mean the way mec played in summer.
Speaker 1: LEAGUE i mean maybe you just, started But i'm, yeah
He's meci's good and he has THE nba. Reps and,
also this is a question for, you what does it?
Do so like twelve week reevaluation period That's, october, Right
like what do you so you're not gonna be ready
for training?
Speaker 3: Camp is? It how do you how do you? Integrate?
Speaker 1: Well, guy then he's not gonna get reps really like
with those training camp, reps with the with the with the.
Speaker 2: TEAM i, mean maybe he does get a few weeks
in The jillie for that. Reason not to say that
that's where he's gonna be, stuck but like maybe that's
the move where you, know if he's if he's like
a field player and he he might need that ramp up.
TIME i, MEAN i given the, INVESTMENT i would want
him in the rotation. Asap, uh just BECAUSE i want
to know WHAT i have here in competition that. Counts but,
yeah maybe THE G league is where you start him
just to just you, know you start you you're on
the ball all the. Time let's kind of let you
get all the way back and then then your role
shrinks probably when you make it.
Speaker 3: UP i do think maybe it wouldn't be right, away
BUT i think if they put him in THE G
league that he's just gonna make it kind of a.
Farce that would be my. GUESS i, mean.
Speaker 2: That'd be a great outcome if that's what, happens if
he's in THE G. League all, right let's jump To.
Minnesota we Have Johann Baron. Jay tell me all about,
This uh this, Frenchman i'm gonna Guess.
Speaker 1: I'm honestly surprised that they haven't Traded Rudy gobert already
because they just Have we only get?
Speaker 2: One is? That what is that there's a quota On french.
Speaker 1: Centers, uh there's not a quota On french, centers but
there's a quota on like how many minutes are available
in a, game and so you can't Play Baron jay
forty eight.
Speaker 3: Minutes Deserves, yeah got?
Speaker 1: It so, man this is for someone who's just like
clearly a. Project he was like kind of a lot
more polished THAN i, Thought like he might already have
better hands Than Rudy. Gobert AND i evened, it.
Speaker 2: You AND i are better hands Than Rudy, Gobert Like i'm, SORRY.
Speaker 1: I definitely do not. THERE i think it was his first.
Game some people were saying it was, seven others were
saying it was. Six some are saying it was two.
Trillion he just had like that many.
Speaker 3: Blocks like.
Speaker 1: INSANE i think that the defensive activity he's gonna hold
up on the, perimeter the shot blocking instincts are. There
you probably if he's gonna rumble with like some of
the burlier, bigs you want him to get. Stronger BUT
i Think Rudy gobert is a really good case study
in like this is someone who could get strong with
having to be like too, bulky so that bodes well for.
Speaker 3: Him he did foul a lot at some points.
Speaker 1: At Summer league, Festivities LIKE i, mean you get ten,
fouls why not use?
Speaker 3: Him it's kind of HOW i.
Speaker 1: FEEL i will, say because you, look he has their
traditional big man's skill, set so his offensive impact can
get like really muted for large swaths of, time but like,
man he can dunk everything if you want him, to
and then he'll dunk some more after. THAT i thought
he did a good job even when he wasn't the
primary screener positioning himself in the. Floor it's either where
you could score from the dunker spot or you're gonna
help out on the offensive. GLASS i mentioned the hands,
thing AND i know he doesn't like have, range BUT
i don't remember the. GAME i think it was maybe
his first game where he had all those blocks against The,
Pelicans like he just busted out a push shot and
so just.
Speaker 3: Like that's Like.
Speaker 1: Rudy you don't Trust Rudy gobert to take push. Shots
So i'm not saying that he's gonna Replace Rudy. Gobert
but this is someone now that you kind of look
at the big man say situation. THERE i Know Julius
randall nas reed and and go, bear but.
Speaker 3: Like you might be able to soak up some.
Speaker 1: Minutes that would be my prediction IS i Think Johan
bearonjay is gonna log more regular season minutes with the
Actual Minnesota timberwolves than you would.
Speaker 2: Expect, okay, well then he's a he's clearly a bench, then,
right LIKE i was THINKING G league for, sure BUT
i mean even.
Speaker 1: You probably should you throw him by if we're being honest,
Though like should you throw him in THE G league
to like get those?
Speaker 2: REPS i mean, yeah but like if if The wolves
aren't and have never really been that high on playing
McDaniels at the, FOUR i, mean maybe there's room up,
there LIKE i, mean. Yeah the other thing, is, well,
NO i Guess reid does enable some, things like you
could play him With reid certainly if you can play
Go beart With, reid so like, there maybe maybe it's
not as as congested as as it might. Seem but
given his youth and the and you look like The,
wolves if everybody's, healthy can keep a very good center
on one end of the floor or the other on
the court for forty eight minutes Without Baron. Jay SO
i would want to develop him down down in THE G.
League BUT i don't. Know you've got me excited about his.
Potential so you're very high on the rookies so. FAR
i think that's a great. THING i think it's good
to be.
Speaker 1: POSITIVE i, Mean i'm trying to focus on some of the,
weekends but it's just LIKE i don't want to trash.
There these are teenagers like and they're just they're Bringing
chopper into these, games like immediately after having their lives
wouldcome a whirlwind with not playing with people they're necessarily familiar.
WITH i will say kind of similar but less so
To malawatch with The. Suns when you look at the
playmakers that are On minnesota's, team like the primary, ones
It's Anthy, edwards It's Julius, randall is whatever's left Of Mike.
Conley and If Mike conley was, Capslock Mike conley perfect
situation for, him but as we kind of saw last.
Speaker 3: Year he's.
Speaker 1: Not and So i'm wondering in the same ways that
we could See gobert become an offensive, LIABILITY i DON'T
i don't Think Baron jay is gonna have that same
issue again when it comes to the, hands and he
might be able to to make defense his guests a
little bit more in the middle of the, floor BUT
i just don't know that they like. It there's gonna
be a lot BECAUSE i don't Think Julius randall is.
It there's going to be a lot like On Anthony edwards's.
Shoulders if, this If Baron jay is going to work
out in The New yar term Or Rob dillingham of,
course BUT i don't even know If Rob dillingham isn't
necessarily that type of playmaker.
Speaker 2: Yet, WELL i mean The wolves would certainly like to
have him become. That, okay, Great so he's a he's
a probably bench but possibly BORDERLINE g.
Speaker 3: League he should, be he should BE g.
Speaker 1: LEAGUE i Think i'll say we're gonna get to some.
GUYS i promise that we won't be spending as much
time on because Although i'm, UPSET i wanted to see
more Of Cedric coward and we obviously couldn't because of the.
Speaker 2: Injury so a very important player based on The, grizzlies
like The Derek queen move like kind of is the
one everyone talks. About The grizzlies also moved up for.
Him we're not gonna talk about. Him tell me About Javon.
Speaker 3: Small CAN i talk About Jayleen wells?
Speaker 2: Instead really?
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we you already. Did, actually so can we
talk About Jillen wills twice in the same? Podcast?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So He so he played in On july fifth Against
Oklahoma City thunder and then didn't take The floorgain Until
july seventeenth versus The Atlanta. HAWKS i will Say, GRANT
i thought he was worth the. Way, surprise, Surprise i'm pretty.
High but he dropped seventeen points in that game Against
atlanta to go along with five assists and five. Rebounds
it just incorporated a little bit of. Everything like he
had the, scoring had some pull, ups had some step,
backs the ability to get to his floater dimes in
the pocket and on. Kickouts he had a really nice
and decisive baseline. Drive there was even some off ball
movement from. Him he's six', to one, so, that like
his utility can devolve. Pretty QUICKLY and i don't Know
if memphis is built to, insulate him especially if you're
gonna Lean On cedric coward AND everything, i like and You, Have,
jaalen like do they have the defense to? Insulate him
it's just my IS what i would want. To know,
and Now Like desmond baine's, not there so like You Have.
KNAVIOUS calopope i forgot about him for, a minute but
like it seems like they might be able to just
find these guys that can do a bunch of little,
different things but who are also not as big as
you would like Them Like Scotti pippen junior would be
another EXAMPLE where i know we don't have as big
of a problem with but it's JUST so i think
that he's could BE an. NBA player i, don't know
like HE'S A g league guy, to me if like
in all For, the grizzlies but like THERE is i
would call it like he has the works about him
or maybe there's not like this elite, marketable skill but
he can do a bunch of. DIFFERENT things i just,
don't know like do you viuse someone who like could
be six to one and do some things off the
ball on offense like as and He's not he's not
gonna have like the super Just like debt native. Speed
either but he's he's just. He's solid but He's Not Scottie.
Pippen junior, On DEFENSE he's i, will say he's probably is.
Speaker 3: Gonna be Better Than john moran. On defense let's not
get into.
Speaker 2: That conversation let's instead get Into Uh. Jimi mayshak he.
Speaker 3: Was, also grant you, KNOW what i have some things
to say.
Speaker 1: About him he was he was, all right the kids are,
All Right, Oh, grant look WE gotta i think our first.
Speaker 3: There's his button work.
Speaker 2: OUR first i don't know if. It, does hey there.
We go.
Speaker 1: IT might i think you two takes like seventy percent,
of it so showy YouTube or something. Like that thank
you an. Actual cloud that was very kind, of you
and you're always tuning into the. Live streams you really.
Appreciate it WHO am i talking about?
Speaker 2: Right now he's talking about the one And Only. Jami.
Speaker 1: Mayshack YEAH so i think he's a starter in this
league right off. THE bat i actually didn't think that
he was going to get his, own blurb but it
feels wrong to ignore someone who plays at the cross
section of the flash. And substance there's another guy who's gonna,
come in like the jumper came.
Speaker 3: And went that HAPPENS In.
Speaker 1: G league i think logging so much time on ball
up to the. Erranty factor when you look at how his,
turnovers came he still looked at home pacing the offense
in transition and coming around screens when.
Speaker 3: He would get those.
Speaker 1: Ball screens more of a secondary creator. TYPE thing i, will,
say though the fact that he could do that and
then defend his Ass Off grant man like he can
guard some wings and so both the ball pressure and
then just the help that he would provide in, driving
lanes including forcing. Some turnovers he can, tested jumpers he can.
TESTED layups i would describe the way that he plays
on defense when he doesn't have to zero win on.
One thing it's with like a control the. End in
and this is someone who's, BLOCK rate i would guess
is going to belie.
Speaker 3: His size he's listed at. SIX three i like he
looking At, the grizzlies he's probably a. G leaguer but
at the, Same, time uh he's SOMEONE who i think
has like the qualities of a real.
Speaker 2: BENCH player, i Mean the grizzlies kind of do, this
right like, you Know The vince williams is And The
gig jackson's And, the pippins and like they kind of
do pick these guys out. Pretty EFFECTIVELY so, i think
if all things, being equal you probably should Assume that
mayshack has a little more than that.
Speaker 1: YOU might i have a, question THOUGH and i guess
it comes with the caveat, Of Oh john uran's probably
gonna miss. Some time do they have like any guard
minutes to, go around like if they wanted, TO experiment.
Speaker 2: I mean you're going to force me to remember who,
they signed because they. Definitely, did oh They Got. Ti
jerome THAT'S what, I Have.
Speaker 3: Ti jerome THEY.
Speaker 1: Have kcp and so it's JUST like i, don't like
do youse FEEL Like g? League GUYS and i mean
that's one, that's fine, BUT yeah i think.
Speaker 2: These guys are BOTH Clearly g league with with maybe
some opportunity to play if if and when. Gets hurt
And the grizzlies, they're like can we Were Given ty
jerome forty minutes a? Night now like that's you know
that you're gonna want some backups there. For, SURE yeah i.
Don't know maybe not the, best situation, but again because
this Is the grizzlies and for all, their flaws like
they do kind of find guys like this that have
a little more than.
Speaker 1: You, think yeah and then so maybe it's also like as,
SOME guy, i mean Was It Scottie pippen junior on
the books for like ever there was like some of
these guys might get, more expensive but He's, Someone look
i'm just, very loosey like if you were, looking, for
oh could there be LIKE a kcp replacement if they
ever used his salary to get like another type of
wing or something. Like that like maybe you could see
him turning into at his, absolute peak that type of
PLAYER with i don't know if he could could he
defend up, as WELL but i would, say probably like
maybe with a little bit more juice as a creator,
on offense but not the same level of SHOOTING that.
Speaker 2: Cacp, provides okay, all right let's move To, the lakers,
And uh i'm just gonna Assume that luca recruited this,
guy too because that's the narrative, right now that he
goes and just. Gets People arthur kaluma tell me.
Speaker 1: About him he, Was fine like this is like the
ONE where, i like you look at him and he
laid THE blueprint i think for sticking at. This level
in that win Over the pelicans THAT was i don't
remember what day, that was but he hit two threes
from the corners and like that would be the swing
swing skill him doing that and running. The floor he
even threw down like a pretty powerful drunk in transition during.
That game though grant he ALSO as i my foot
slip on my little stool, right here.
Speaker 3: He racked up, a fouls which you don't get. A
faults it's.
Speaker 2: Too many that's.
Speaker 1: Too many so there's JUST like i feel like he
should have more defensive range than he should or because
if you're gonna test his, defensive range there's going to
be those types.
Speaker 3: OF instances i will say the.
Speaker 1: Fouling was not a, reoccurring issue so there. Is THAT
and i think it's easy to appreciate the times in
which he was getting beat and then trying to be,
hyper aggressive.
Speaker 3: Like and that's that's what. Was happening SO like i like.
Speaker 1: THAT energy I just i, don't know he just he's
kind of for for someone who scales, is like, all
right it's gonna be maybe this wing type player.
Speaker 3: Or forward you don't want him to get caught.
Speaker 1: OFF footed i think as much as, he did he
was also just kind of stumbling into people when he
was going. For, REBOUNDS look i don't know what the
expectations are, for here but like this is it would
be g leak.
Speaker 3: For Sure the lakers found a diamond in the rough.
Speaker 2: Type deal sounds like. A, leaguer, okay well let's look
to THE other. La team this Is, the clippers and
This Is Yannick conan NIEDERHAUSER and i am right now
officially filing a motion that he needs to become Y
k N because i think there's like one or two
fewer letters Than Shake gilles, alexander's name and it's close
enough that if he CAN, BE sga i think a
guy with this this many consonants of valves can just BE.
Y kN i'm gonna see if it STICKS.
Speaker 3: Y kN that sounds like some type of like a
LIKE like Y two k. Type deal the.
Speaker 2: Can we Work in maybe we can PLAY off Y
two k a little. Bit somehow it's just to keep
the references. Really timely. That's important so we can. Do
that tell me? About him Have the clippers further deepened
what is already one of the deepest front court rotations in.
Speaker 1: The league they, might have but it's not gonna be
anytime soon like a START bench.
Speaker 3: G league THIS is g league.
Speaker 1: For them there was just so he had the In
the july fourteenth winner Of, the lakers he had ten
points on five or nine shooting that like. Saw him
he kind of had he like he can dunk what
he really, wants to and he caught one in which
it was just like unexpected pass and transition and he
was able to use two dribbles to clear half, the
floor like go the length of half the floor and just.
DUNK it i think that that was the road map like,
that game like the snapshot of it was how he
can make an impact. On offense and, it's yeah you
could test out his three, point TOUCH but i don't
know that we need to. Just yet he can run
the floor like hell and good things is going to
happen when he. Does that but his aggression really waxed,
and waned as did, his physicality as did his connection.
On screens he's not the cleanest pass, catcher EITHER which
i think is to be expected on. This uh But
like niederaus was already pretty disruptive, on defense and there's
like a like a very alluring element. To it he
had some really nice like contests on like when they
were inbounding. The ball it's hard to make entry passes,
against him like if he's the guy like you're trying
to get into the post and, he's there or if
he's guarding the guy who's trying to make the, entry
pass so he's really.
Speaker 3: Active THERE.
Speaker 1: Like i don't know though that like like the, shot
blocking like it's certainly there In This summer. League deview
but that was also another Thing that Wax. And wayne
the rebounding is going to need to be better than
it Was in, Vegas specifically and it was just he
didn't he was too nonchalant about trying to gather position
in too many of, those instances or didn't feel like
he was trying to go up with urgency because is
he so used to just like being bigger and better
like of all these people him sets in, the chat
elderly people And ykn So what, I'm interested it's, just
like so you mentioned their big man, depth here he
kind of like You Have, john collins someone who could
space the floor and be used as like this athletic
guy play above. The rim you Have A vita zubats
who is like the cross section of brutality and finesse
at the. Same time and then You Have brook lopez
who's just like doesn't have the best physical tools but
knows how to make it work. On defense stretched his
range down to the three, point line but there was
some dynamism like below. The arc he kind of like
to be learning or practicing against all of those guys,
at once or have.
Speaker 3: THEM there i think could be.
Speaker 1: Really beneficial to HIM because i don't know what his long,
term bag so, to speak on offense. Will be but
you have the full gamut of like you need to learn,
screen Setting Like john collins And A vita zubats.
Speaker 3: Right there you're looking to stretch.
Speaker 1: Your Range brook Lopez And john collins are, Right there
like you're looking to someone who's gonna be more aggressive on, the, glass,
Like Oh viza zubas is. Right there and also just
someone with this size Because Of vita zubach one of
the things that he probably still doesn't receive.
Speaker 3: Enough FOR and i know he got some.
Speaker 1: Defensive player that, you love like this, past year like
the way he moves, his feet just like not in
a Way That john Collinson brook lopez is ever. GONNA
do i think it's cool That now i'm gonna call
him Y kN now you.
Speaker 3: Did it You, Know needenhauser that's what that's what it.
Speaker 1: Stands for but why Hy km like he's in a
good situation of just like all these different archetypal bigs
that maybe he can pull.
Speaker 2: STUFF from, i mean if and if it isn't that
at least he's getting exposed to all those different play
styles that he has to, Guard right like he's gonna
see almost everything that he could imagine. In, practice yeah.
In practice so like maybe the move is you have
him up as as much as you can just because
practice might be valuable or, JUST yeah I think i
think it's it's a bad situation because there's a million
really good players in front. Of him it's a good
situation because it's a. Learning environment and at this stage of,
his career it seems to me like you're saying he's
very much in the like. Learning.
Speaker 1: Phase, STILL yeah I mean i was more intrigued by
HIM than I thought i would be floored to he
plays like any sort of role IN the nba for
his first two, years.
Speaker 2: Though gotcha let's Move. To Houston the rockets have one.
Player here we're gonna discuss the best name of anyone we're,
GONNA talk i, mean Other Unless young hansom becomes his,
official name like if he gets if he changes, it
Legally young hansom would be. The Best but Adnna's arms uh,
just tremendous. Tremendous name if you knew Nothing about, adonna's
arms you would assume he was a, really rugged. Positionless.
Defender uh tell me how close.
Speaker 1: That is so here's the, thing IS if i had
A Greate sumer, league performance he GETS an f because
someone with his name should have.
Speaker 3: Bigger biceps, NO.
Speaker 2: Yeah i mean because they're Adult like. Adonnas's arms it's,
just like what is?
Speaker 1: He doing but, THE defense, i mean it's basically everything.
You said and so he has the potential to guard
up and then he will get into. Passing lanes he
is blanketing in one on. One situations he's also like
bumping him, off course like if you are bigger, than
him or you have the size of the, physicality advantage
like you can't use your shoulder to get off.
Speaker 3: That guy screening him as going to be.
Speaker 1: EXTRA difficult i like there might be sometimes where he'll
get caught up and zeroing in on one thing, Too
OFTEN but I think i'd live with that trade off
given his just like, the effect like he can he
can defensive playmake while also just if you if that's
not what he's tasked, with doing if you need him
to shut down someone away from, the ball he could do.
THAT too i don't really know what he's gonna be on,
Offense though like the jumper cannot. Be trusted he runs
into trouble when he's trying to change directions or when
when his drives get, cut off it's liable to be.
A DISASTER like i don't know he has the decision making.
Capability yet his time With the, summer rockets like there
was some like, nice finishing but it was, mostly off
like the straight line attacks and like some settled down approach.
In TRANSITION but i don't like he needs to be
more of, a passer like when he's gonna get DOWNHILL
for i think him to kind of stick at the,
next level and that's assuming like that the jumper gets
a little. Bit BETTER so i would still classify HIM as.
G league but it's just the types of guys that
can come in and you're looking at them, and, it's.
Speaker 3: Oh they could. Really use the word rugged is like
a really good way to describe what he can do.
On defense it has like THE like.
Speaker 1: I see and he's twenty, seven too by, the way
so this is not someone who has like a ton
of ton. Of upside he's a ROOKIE and i think
he was eligibly drafted in twenty twenty one or.
Speaker 3: SOME shit i don't don't. Even remember. The year but
JUST like i appreciate like the wing sized guys who
could defend all over, the place and that would Fit
the rocket's motif, of, like yay we like.
Speaker 2: THOSE dudes i was, gonna say they have. A type
that's definitely he's the right kind. Of, guy okay so
we have a.
Speaker 3: Bonus thing, oh, good here.
Speaker 2: Tell me about tell Me About. Cocaine curry.
Speaker 3: So he's an honorary ROOKIE because i don't think that he.
Played enough we're Talking About.
Speaker 2: Reed shepherd if you're, not, watching yeah.
Speaker 1: For anyone who's if you're new and listening, TO this
i kind of have a Thing For. REED shepherd i
think a lot of, people do and he proved it
during his brief summer. League stance That's a i'm, gonna
Say baby goat is going To Win Most, improved player
might EVEN win mvp at. THIS rate i saw people
call him the.
Speaker 3: TAX man i don't really. Like that do you like
THE tax I Like cocaine curry better because it looks like.
Speaker 2: An accountant is that what we're trying?
Speaker 3: To, say, uh yeah THAT'S what i. WOULD assume i
didn't actually dig. INTO why i just don't he's not catchy. TO.
Speaker 1: Me ttm maybe we could abbreviate it. To, that YEAH
just i think He START Bencher g league, for. HIM grant,
i look He.
Speaker 2: The, rockets well But the rockets have done ALL three i.
Speaker 1: Guess, right uh he, impressed, ME though i think he's made,
some strides like in terms of getting stronger and like,
having uh like being able to survive on defense at
the point Where Hemy r dooka, is like that's not
going to be the excuse not to. Play him at,
this point the efficiency was all over, the place but
he could still get to, his SPOTS and i think
defenses are still gonna react when he gets going downhill
and if if he's moving off, the ball and just
if he gets to play Away from Alper and shangun,
at POINTS like i think that's a connection that could
really develop and the way the floor would, Open UP
like i really want to See the Durant Shng Gun
read shepherd lineups and maybe EVEN like i would play
him with Bred van, fleet TOO because i think that
puts him in like kind of the best offensive, environment
possible especially if you're looking for him to improve his
live yable playmaking and make his impact. That way, BUT
yeah i just want to throw him in THERE because
i feel a.
Speaker 2: LITTLE vindicated, i, MEAN look i would count myself As
among shepherd's, biggest FANS except i talked to you and
you have. Me beat so but you might be number
one outside Of the. Houston Area i'm i'm. With You
though i'm excited, About him i'm not excited about the.
Next team He's not he's not.
Speaker 3: A rookie how many of those comments do you think we're?
Speaker 2: GONNA get i, Don't, care ella do we? Have to
let's Talk About alex, Tooey First Golden state warriors fifty
something if pick this in.
Speaker 1: THIS draft i would like to first shout Out The
Golden state warriors for actually having a summer, league TEAM
because i didn't think they were doing anything, this summer
which included just like like not, signing guys not trading,
for them not even participating in.
Speaker 3: Summer. League, uh look you you nailed the number fifty
two pick last Year With. Quinton posts you didn't. DO
it i don't think you did It With.
Speaker 1: Alex tooey he build is sort of this and when
you look and watch. IT'S okay i could see the
do at all skill set that everyone says that, he yes,
and look he finished a couple of shots around, the
hoop and he proved a little bit pesky, on defense
like the shots are gonna have to go in into
a higher, clip eventually and they never did for him
Really In. Summer league he also seemed just like a
few beats slow in his worst. Defensive moments tracking the
ball is just not, like no like he's gonna get
beat back to where if that's going. To happen and
that's a recipe to not Play With, GOLDEN state i,
WOULD argue i think he just needs to adjust to
the speed and physicality of. The game he actually did talk,
ABOUT that i think in one of. HIS interviews I
just i DON'T It's g league, for sure if, IT'S
anything i.
Speaker 3: Don't know IF he's i don't know if HE'S an.
Speaker 1: NBA player i get the intrigue in the theory, of
HIM but i don't know if HE'S.
Speaker 2: THE nba i don't KNOW if i get the theory,
of HIM because, i just like, you know we're all
dealing with. Limited INFORMATION but i don't know if you,
noticed this but so many of his like draft, Hype
highlights i'm USING the i mean in, their highlight like
he would jump a passing lane and get on a
breakaway and just barely beat the trailing defensive to. The
bucket it was, just like this guy's at an athletic disadvantage,
against UH non, Nba players and it just felt like
that's just such a difficult starting point to go from
where where you clearly are kind of like compromised just
on a fundamental level based on how effectively you can
move compared, to, like yeah it's compared to the best
athletes in, the world but like good anticipation and decent
size will take you. So FAR but i just you
watched MORE than, i did so. Correct ME but i
just never thought, watching him even against, inferior competition, was,
like oh this is a guy that, athletically belongs, you
know IN. THE nba i don't.
Speaker 3: Mean to bring it Back To, quinton post OR maybe.
I do that's.
Speaker 1: OUR brand I wish i would you get the sense, of,
Like Oh quentin post has a pathway to improving it
having a like carved out defensive role where it's even
just as maybe a base. AND protector i don't, Know
what like there's some utility there because there's, there's malleability
but it's just so often, just, like oh it's going
to end, Badly though and if it if it ended
badly so much against summer, league competition what is that
gonna DO against g league competition or even AGAINST the
nba competition once he. Gets there but again, he said
because there were moments where he moved a, LOT faster
i don't know if the physicality is ever gonna physicality
is ever gonna.
Speaker 3: BE there i didn't see too much.
Speaker 1: Of that but if he has the ability to like
turn the dial up a couple of notches when looking at, the,
speed maybe, but yeah this is and what are you
expecting in general?
Speaker 3: With it like it's.
Speaker 1: A FLYER so i don't think it. Is right he's not.
Some disaster we're not gonna talk about him on. This
podcast but my answer, would be and maybe he shouldn't.
Speaker 2: GO ahead i was, gonna, Say well heine wants to
know who's This Year's. CODY williams i Would Posit. Cody Williams.
Speaker 1: Cody williams he Might Win Most improved, Player too we're
gonna Have Co Most improved. Player WINNER but i actually
think you could. Correct me if you think this is
just he wasn't drafted. HIGH enough i think it's gonna
end up Being Like Casparis. Yoka, SCHONIS oh i.
Speaker 2: Can't wait to talk to you. About him. We're not
we're gonna get to him later. This week he's a
fascinating player. To me there was a goran dragic comp thrown,
out Early and i've never been able to. SHAKE it
i could quit hard.
Speaker 1: Enough and see it eventually, being there just a, quick
OVERVIEW but i don't know it's gonna come to Be
fair like his First Like summer league games before Getting
to vegas were, pretty bad and he settled down, after
that but like, the turnovers despite there were some heat
fans that are made, me, saying well if you Watch
like biggs couldn't. CATCH passes i was very much aware,
of THAT and i still thought that he's just like
it's not even audacious, decision making it's just actively ignorant,
decision making is.
Speaker 3: What it kind of.
Speaker 2: Feels, like uh let's talk About. WILL richard i guess
because we have to you like him even Less Than
alex tooey is.
Speaker 1: My, takeaway NO actually i like him Better than ALEX
because i think he can defend AT the, NBA level
i just don't know what else he could do.
Speaker 3: On offense it's can he hit a? Set three we
didn't see a lot of That In.
Speaker 1: Summer league there was a take a game Against the
blazers where it. Looked better but is that going to
BE like i just for someone who's listed at six,
TO four i, will say like if you told me
he was guarding someone who was six seven or, six
eight that wouldn't. Shock me so that would be like
the highest warm OF praise i could. Give HIM but
i didn't come away thinking that there was a clear
pathway to him sticking on the, offensive end Where with
twoey it almost feels like you. Flip it he has
a lot of tool because you don't need to. NECESSARILY operate,
i mean Look At kyle anderson Or Like, joe ingles
like you don't need to operate at blazing speeds to
be an effective. Offensive, player uh But will richard IS
just i don't know what his offensive signature is going
to be if he was to stick in the stick IN.
Speaker 3: The nba but we like guys.
Speaker 1: WHO there i think there are people who have a
soft spot for they have limitations, on offense but like
they can just guard up like even though they're. Not
cute but also that works against, him too because you're
gonna run into matchups on the wing where, it's no
you can't, do that like you Can't Throw will richard
on an.
Speaker 3: Actual wing?
Speaker 2: Got? It okay so him and two we BOTH Are
g league like at best probably, this, Point, RIGHT yeah
i think.
Speaker 1: Did you just because you Are the, warriors guy did
you have even just knowing the background, of them would
you have would you have thought it would have, been,
Like oh i'm gonna come away feeling better About to E.
Speaker 2: Than, richard no. NOT necessarily i was KIND of i
kind of viewed both of these picks as like, these
ARE like, i said THESE Are g, league stashes top,
top end like. Good outcome just they'd never SEEMED like
i Think the warriors are, you know, cost conscious and
they're also like they haven't Even Reassigned, gary payton so
like if he's not, coming BACK like, i mean that's
the guy that would just Play over richard in that
type of. Role anyway, SO yeah i didn't expect a whole.
Lot there let's get To The denver nuggets and A
player i'm very interested to hear your take on because
we basically lost his entire. Rookie, Season Uh, deron holmes
which like might. Might play valentunis is going to, be
there so it changes a. Little bit but like was
at least last, year too like in line for what
could have been a big role on A good. Nuggets
team did do you think based on what you.
Speaker 3: Saw trade salnis? Right?
Speaker 2: Now, well yeah one is he is he like physically
back After The achilles, and, two uh do you see
him getting minutes even in a front court that has
That has valentunas Backing?
Speaker 1: UP jokic i Think so i'd be curious to see
if he can play alongside another big and It would
i'd probably prefer it To.
Speaker 3: Be jokic Than than Jonas valentewnish is, because.
Speaker 1: Duh, why, Wouldn't right, but so coming back From the,
ACHILLES injury i was impressed with how well he did
kind of hang like hang, in space and.
Speaker 3: When you're, six nine it's kind of.
Speaker 1: The expectation at the, Same time i'm curious to see
how it would work AGAINST like nba level playmakers and
ball handlers and just that like those type of physical
tool guys like more than like if he is someone
who needs to switch on to, to use Like Like.
Jeremiah fears just someone, like that like even just the
blinding straight, Line speed i'd just be curious to see
how he.
Speaker 3: Handles That but i'm ACTUALLY more i don't even know if.
Speaker 1: It's worried and this all comes at the CAVEAT that
i was so High On, zeke NAGY like. I drank
i drank the kool aid for, a minute a few
Minutes On. Zeke nagy, i'm wondering like do you did
you view him as someone that you thought could actually
play center at, this level as being six.
Speaker 2: OR nine i kind, of did but more in a change,
of pace probably against second units type, of thing or
just you KNOW what, i mean like You because jokic
is on, that team it's just his opportunity Player like
holmes's opportunities were gonna. Be LIMITED but i always like
the theory. Of him, You know bam Out of bio
is an unfair comp but someone more, like that where
IT'S like i don't know if he's gonna hold up
against the, biggest guys but maybe he survives in space
enables some switching looks And gives denver just a very
different kind of way to play against certain matchups for.
Short stints like that kind of thing IS what. I
thought i thought that might be possible. For him maybe.
Speaker 3: IT IS i I think i could.
Speaker 1: SEE it I really i would love to see him
just play a bunch of Minutes With, aaron GORDON because
i feel like that might be the where they, he
Can Like aaron gordon can offset maybe a Lot, OF
again i think he did well in kind of those,
spatial MOMENTS but i don't know if it's going to.
Like translate it felt like sometimes his body wasn't turn
the right way where he was a few beats. Too
SLOW but i look at HIM and, I like i
kind of want to see him because he does like maybe,
The three like he does have three.
Speaker 3: POINT range i think that's a. Big deal BUT what's
i think.
Speaker 1: Super interesting about him is that there's some, passing there
like off, the catch like if you wanted to try
and use him in short. ROLE situations i think that
he is like has the intuition to do something. Like
that he reminds me of on offenses because he has
like a driving, game too is What If nick claxton
didn't drive, as much but he also had a, hesitation
dribbling could space the floor a little bit like that's.
Speaker 2: What little Nas Read Little Nick nick claxton, combo, Situation.
Speaker 1: Right SO and i think you're you have to be
encouraged with what he shot for most of the time
from deep In In. Summer LEAGUE but i think even
just getting to like his spots on, the floor like
fanning out, in transition like getting to, the corners that's
something he did. Really well And so i'm curious to
see if he could get minutes because, the honestly the
PLAYER that i think he would have to beat out,
for MINUTES and i don't think it's out of, the
question would Be A, peyton, watson right because It's If
peyton watson's not giving you enough, on offense do you
think that you can get enough on defense Out, Of
Yeah peyton watson is going to be better in like
the one on, one situations but do you think you
can get enough of him playing next To a gordon
or next To a yokich to, where well like maybe
we want to test out and see what he can
do on offense if he's a little bit more.
Speaker 2: CONSISTENT there i think that makes a lot of sense
just Because What peyton watson's good at. It matters BUT
but i think like that's it's sort, of additive whereas
like if you're a good offensive big or, like forward,
you know combo for whatever You think, holmes is that
that just feels more important. TO me, i GUESS like
i don't know if that's just where the league. Is going,
where again the kind of LIKE how i, asked earlier
like can you just be a guy that only shoots
threes and have? OFFENSIVE value i think that just is
another way of kind of getting to the idea that
that offense just. MATTERS more, i think and like multi,
skilled Stuff and watson just hasn't really shown enough. Of
THAT so I think watson still has, A place, but,
like yeah if you're trying to figure Out where holmes
is gonna get his minutes and you don't love him
as a as a center by himself, out there then
maybe it does Eat into, watson's minutes which Maybe maybe
denver's not mad about because like you know that You
lower watson's value if you're trying to. KEEP him i,
don't know.
Speaker 1: Just because after, they again It's the jonas valentniss like
like getting him as your back, Up five and he
did just say that he's gonna honor his Contract, with
devers like that just becomes a.
Speaker 3: Non, Issue, now.
Speaker 1: Yeah like he's but it's Just Like doron holmes seems
like there's A real nba player. AND there i just
don't know the pathway to him getting minutes, Is WHAT
like i guess you can say you'll run three, bigs
deep but if you view him as, A five i
want it really difficult to believe that you might be
like he just might be getting more reps IN The g.
League Then so i'm wondering if there's a way for
HIM to i. DON'T think, i mean MAYBE like, i
COULD like i don't know if he could loged minutes
Next to, jonas Valentiunis but i'd be intrigued, to see
like if they want To use jokic a little bit
more aggressively on defense and They Have deuran holmes on,
the court maybe during the Minutes That aaron gordon's not,
or something is that something they could TRY at i.
Speaker 2: Don't, know well they got to find a way to
not you got To Preserve. AARON gordon, i, think yeah
so maybe maybe that's where he gets. His minutes is
just guys get rest or. Nights Off, curtis jones he's
The other Nuggets Or. Gellie Girl maybe i'd tip my.
Hand there a summer leaguer we got to. Talk about he.
Speaker 1: Did already get a two way so From, the nuggets
so they thought he was. A keeper i think that
that was like that was their last two way spot
and as, of, now anyway like, we know those things are.
PRETTY fungible i think that was the, right call just
based off what we kind. Of saw he hit the
twenty point performance Against The toronto raptors that was the
primary attraction of his. Summer league but he did kind
of just validate that he belongs with the outside. Shooting
improvement he can a bunch of Threes in, vegas overall
AND what i would say is like. Reasonable volumes there
was some just off the balance plays that were.
Speaker 3: Absolutely electric he.
Speaker 1: Doesn't have the size of the strength to get all
the way to, the basket at least distantly against those,
set defenses but he really knows how to leverage the
floor and he's long enough LIKE he's i think he's
a six to, eight wingspan IS what i have in
my notes here to make, Good on like like some
of the layups he hit or just shots in the
restricted area when he did get there were just preposterous
and so just kind of like sort of a nice, flyer, here,
like hey let's see you look at this. TEAM overall i,
DON'T again i do not expect him, to play but
if you're looking for someone as a backup, ball handler
the options are pretty sparse at. This point That's Not
bruce brown's game even at. His, Peak Really jalen Pickett Is,
jalen pickett and after that It's Like russell westbrook's not
back there like they would. HAVE been I think PHOENIX
needed cp three. THE most i would have loved to
HAVE seen cp Three and denver.
Speaker 2: Though, definitely yeah what a weird thing to just have
a very different ball dominant orchestrator out there with with Other.
Than jokich so do? You uh the one guy you
didn't mention in running Through the jones issue, is like
are a there's minutes at risk here or is it more, just,
like yeah we don't Know If bruce brown is going
to be the ball handler.
Speaker 1: LIKE do i guess it depends on whether You Trust
julian strother do a lot of the on. BALL stuff
i think ON ball I Trust curtis jones more. Right
now but in terms of just like we've seen The
Way julian strather will fly around, the floor like the,
three points three pointers aren't always. Gonna FALL but i
don't Know If curtis jones at that the same level
of just like motion shooting capability. Within him SO and
i also just. CAN'T see i Know the nuggets want
to prioritize development we're talking about if we Don't Think
dyron holmes is gonna have like a clear path to,
PLAYING time i don't. Know that just like when You
Have bruce Brown And tim hardaway junior on this team,
AS well i would struggle to see him unless there's
a bunch of injuries, seeing him, you know have any
type of impact for.
Speaker 2: This Team, all right we did save the best, for
last just because we went backwards. THE well, I mean
i've read and heard some interesting Things About nim hard
but we're not gonna talk about him. So Much cooper
flagg Billed as jack of, all trade essentially. Weakness free
maybe not great at any, one thing like a plus,
on offense MAYBE an a. PLUS defender, i mean the
expectations and the hype were all over. The place probably
impossible for him to measure up. To it only played
what TWO games i guess had a bad one and
a very. Good one what did you see? From him
maybe the question is because we kind of know the
thumbnail sketch of like what he's supposed, to be what
did you see from him that most aligned in a
good WAY with i don't know the pre, Draft billing
and what did you see from him that?
Speaker 1: Surprised you so the defense is no note stuff, For
me like there'll probably just be moments where he, gets
burned is in the, Wrong position but like there's defensive
playmaking AND there's iq THERE AND i i don't call
him a five, position DEFENDER but i just you asked the,
question before like which players can't? He guard and it's
the ones who aren't in the, Game, basically yeah and
WE'RE seeing.
Speaker 3: I think i've mentioned you've maybe we've had a discussion.
Speaker 1: About it it just feels like some of, these rookies
especially if they're bigs or maybe, wing types they're coming
in and they're so much better defensively, off rip and.
Speaker 2: He's used to be one to guarantee that a rookie
was gonna suck, On DEFENSE like i mean almost across.
Speaker 1: The board i'd be shocked if he is. Like one
i'd be shocked if he made an all. Defensive team
BUT like, i, maybe like if you're, asking me is
he gonna? Be terrible is he more like going to
be terrible or making all, defense TEAM that i might
actually have to think about. That ONE the i guess
the thing that most surprised me WAS just i.
Speaker 3: Thought his handle was gonna be a little, bit better.
Speaker 1: AND but i was also, pleasantly surprised like he didn't
really have any problems getting. Off jumpers there was clearly
two things that they said he needed, to do is
you need.
Speaker 3: To operate on ball and try and create for everybody
and get.
Speaker 1: Off jumpers and he did, all THAT and i think
the second game he showed like the full breadth of his.
Offensive arsenal like there was the, floor running there was the,
lob finishing there was some pull, up touch he had three,
point volume there was driving, and finishing there was. Foul
drawing it was just it was everything that's like. Pretty
TERRIFYING what i think is gonna, take time and especially
when you look at the handle and Like the. MAVs
spacing it might look fine in some lineups when you
have a, d log but can you play Him. With
Klaye thompson and then if you're gonna play two bigs,
up front LIKE. It's pj Washington And naji marshall or are
they good enough TO so i think that's gonna give
him some issues early on if you wanted to be
a primary. Ball handler but just in terms of a,
PLAY finisher i think he's gonna be great right off,
the Bat and i'm more optimistic about him becoming a
primary ball handler primary play maker. Long Term and i'm
more optimistic about the jump SHOT than I thought i
was going.
Speaker 3: To be.
Speaker 2: Do you did you? SEE enough i know That the
maps like kind of admittedly like sort of threw him
out there and asked him to do things like bring
the ball up every time that like they probably won't,
this year maybe that is part of the plan, Long
term but did you see enough from him in the
in that kind of role to make you, confident, that
like Because the MAVs have. THIS massive, I Mean dery
glave was hurt again, already obviously but like they have
a glood. Of Biggs did flags show enough to make you,
confident that like if he's just a three, AND again
I know i'm throwing caveats, all over like the three
in the four have, become interchangeable but you do still
think of small, forwards differently like it is is a
small forward Version Of cooper flag a viable and b
where you might get the most out, of him like
on a normal team Or.
Speaker 3: The, MAVs uh that's a really. GOOD question i think
he's ultimately gonna need to be like a.
Speaker 1: POINT forward i think that's gonna be at least do
you know how kind Of Like lebron james, early on
like didn't he had like a different level of Athleticism
Than cooper.
Speaker 3: Flag does but like when he was before he was a.
Speaker 1: JUMP shooter i Could see flag maybe being a little
bit better of a. Jump shooter but he's not gonna
have the ability to maybe generate as much on ball
separation as someone. Like that but if you're gonna, use
it like if you're gonna use him in a traditional small,
FORWARDS role i just like if you did That To,
lebron james wouldn't that have just felt like a waste.
Speaker 3: And his peak and we haven't even really.
Speaker 2: Seen, it, YEAH well I guess i guess maybe the
other the other way to approach it, is like can
you play two bigs with flag and not sacrifice your
wing defense and? Your spacing? YOU know, I mean i,
guess YOU but.
Speaker 1: I zero questions about, The DEFENSE like i think THAT
he i think that would be. Perfectly fine it'll be
even Better When anthony davis is one of the bigs
that you know it's gonna be on.
Speaker 2: The court.
Speaker 1: THE offense i just don't like if the ball is
not gonna be in, his hands like, you know because
the problem is is a lot of the stuff he
can do off the ball is the, stuff that like
the the bigs need to do off, the ball like
You're not he's never gonna be the primary screener if
he's playing with three even, like okay getting out, in transition,
That's fine like you could, do.
Speaker 3: THAT sure i just think he's gonna need to come in,
and like can.
Speaker 1: You get up six threes a game and hit them
at a thirty seven and a half? PERCENT clip i
think he has the potential to, do that, but like
if that's the role he kind OF like i guess
when you're saying, small forward struggling, to think like what
would be the not the same like this, player archetype
but like whose Role, would yeah are you trying to?
Speaker 2: Think about That's what, You're right you're you're right to
think of it in terms of role as opposed, to position,
BECAUSE like i, Don't Know jason tatum's a, SMALL forward
i guess sometimes maybe, and like but that doesn't mean
he's the, primary playmaker, you know like and but there
are also SMALL like i guess you, could say we've talked,
about this he'd be more of A Forre cam johnson
is a power forward slash, small forward and he just
does more catch and, shot like so the position doesn't matter.
A ton i. Guess maybe Really what i'm asking is.
Speaker 1: THE role i think if you were gonna make him
more of an off ball player to maybe he's your
second or third, ball handler could he and please correct
Me if, i'm.
Speaker 3: WRONG because i haven't thought, about this is can He Be? Jalen?
Speaker 1: Brown BASICALLY and i, would, say, yeah yes Because If
jalen brown's like not the most bankable shooter at the,
Moment either and.
Speaker 2: You don't, you know you're not always in love night
tonight with what he does attacking because the, turnover, stuff
okay but he also was the second best offensive player
on a.
Speaker 1: Title winner and the other, thing is it's JUST like
i Don't Think cooper flag is gonna have the same
JUST like i don't know what the word is like
oof on his Drives That, Jalen, Brown.
Speaker 2: Yeah Brown also brown's a, crazy, athlete right.
Speaker 1: We don't feel Good About jaylen brown being the primary.
Ball handler he has to be in. This Role, Cooper
flag i'd feel pretty good ABOUT being i think being
the primary. Ball handler i'll say it doesn't feel like
it's going to be necessary though if they don't want
him to. Be THAT but i, would argue, you know
you said that maybe they're not going to, do that like,
right out like from, THE jump i think they should
like Because like kyrie plays well off Everyone d lo
is like that's your other, guard there like mix and match,
With that i'm absolutely the THING that i would be.
Concerned ABOUT and i don't Know if i'm like reading
too much, into it is it felt like he was
getting tired by playing on the ball, so much and so.
Speaker 2: Well he said that, he, did yeah because, He's like
i've never been picked up full court one because he
probably didn't bring the ball up every. Single time but, but,
YEAH no I think i think that's a real thing
you have to, think about because you would hate to
cut into his sort of his defensive gas tank by
by forcing him to like burn a bunch of calories
bring just bringing the ball up against pressure thirty times
a Game like that's that's that's definitely something you have to.
Think ABOUT but i think you're right in general, that,
like look we got to see if he can be
the best Version Of cooper flag is a guy that
plays a super high, leverage role because if he's in,
that role it means he proved that he could. Do
it and then like that's just what you Want. As
DALLAS so i THINK it's I think i agree that
it's right to just kind of over stretch him early
and just kind of see like how he, holds up
because if he, does fine which he, mostly did then
maybe you do have maybe you are just sort of
seeing your way, to, well yeah he's the jack of,
all trades but also like he's gonna have the most
touch time on the team, like that that's that's a possibility.
Speaker 1: For him i'm going to just be very CURIOUS because
i don't Know where i'm gonna like where do per your.
Proprietary metrics i'm Curious where dallas is gonna grade out
with their, floor SPACING and i think that might be
important early on To, where okay then the moments are gonna,
be UGLY but i still think that they need to
put him in that type.
Speaker 3: Of role and the other, thing TOO is i guess
we might do this with all.
Speaker 1: Generational prospects but there's like this lore of these stories that.
Come out remember the one With the olympics last YEAR
where nba players were. Not off my, FAVORITE anecdote i
think this might Have Been keith smith had a spow
track notebook and maybe it was someone else who like
put it. Out THERE so i Apologize if i'm, missourcing
this but like he wanted to play a third Game
In summer league And the max had. To, Act no,
HE'S like i want people to know that the second
gig wasn't, a fluke and it's just like shit like
That is i'm sure a bunch of other players has done.
Something similar but THE thing i was gonna meant to
tell you at the, top is do you remember two
years ago we ACTUALLY recorded i think we did. A
stream we Were Covering victor wenberyama's game immediately after his
first summer of.
Speaker 3: The game people were.
Speaker 1: SO concerned i remember we were talking about it after,
the FACT and i TOLD you i came away thinking
that he was gonna be one of the Best players
i've ever watched in my. Entire life and after his,
BAD game i.
Speaker 2: Was, gonna, SAY yeah i do remember that you saw
the bad game and we're just hook Line and SINKER sold.
Speaker 3: I saw the, bad GAME and.
Speaker 1: I didn't i didn't feel the same Way About cooper
FLAG that i Did. About WIMBY but i came, away,
thinking oh like this he's gonna have DOUBLE digital. Nba
appearances this is, just like this is a non and that.
CAN'T miss i don't know what his OFFENSIVE role i
guess shakes out, to BE but i came away thinking
based off that GAME was i, was, like, oh yeah he.
Speaker 3: Doesn't need to. Play again that's fine. For me i've seen.
Speaker 2: It, enough, yeah okay we've and we've already talked about
feel so maybe the CLICHE THAT i i am drawn
to with him is like he's just gonna be, a winner,
just like, you know to really drive home the coach,
speak stuff just because if you play that hard and
you care that much and you defend, that WAY and i,
think Like Unlike, jalen brown just to draw back to,
THAT comparison I think flag is kind of like a
right play machine where it's like he just kind of
wants to do the correct thing in a team sense
with the basketball all, The time like that's just kind of,
Winning stuff like none of that matters if you don't
have the, physical tools but like he seems to have
enough of that to where that's gonna. Come through, SO
yeah I again i. WOULD agree i don't feel the
same way ABOUT him i did About. Women yama but
some of that was just like the shock factor of
like what?
Speaker 3: Is this why is this person who's eight feet tall
doing all these?
Speaker 2: Things right It's like I've never i've never Seen. This
flag we've seen some version, Of this but that's not
to take anything away, from HIM BECAUSE i i think
you've seen MORE than. I HAVE but i just don't
KNOW how i don't know how great. HE'LL be i
do know that he's not, gonna fail like that's just
that's out of. The question.
Speaker 1: To me he is one of the most bankable prospects that.
We've seen and the other, thing, THOUGH too i was
gonna ask you. THIS question i do feel reading too.
FAR ahead I think kyrie is probably a perfect fit next.
To him it's just someone who's played off of others
who have. The ball but maybe if you Don't want
cooper flag on the ball against maybe something like Against.
Speaker 3: An Okac putting cooper flag.
Speaker 1: On the ball is probably cruel and unusual punishment ro. The,
stage yeah that to, Any team but Like the rock, like,
name like what's a solid defense that's?
Speaker 3: Not, Okay SEE like.
Speaker 2: I mean orlando's A great orlando's a. Great defense i'd
feel way better about because it sugs won't be, on
him so it's like he'll. BE well i, don't, know,
SO yeah.
Speaker 1: I do think that If the MAVs aren't Gonna Play
anthony davis at the Five With cooper flagg as the,
OTHER primary i think that They're Doing cooper flag a
disservice because that gives him just if you're playing on
the Court with Gafford and Davis or Lively and davis
versus playing on the court.
Speaker 3: With just Davis As.
Speaker 1: Cooper flagg the spacing is going to be, just DIFFERENT
and i think especially.
Speaker 3: Early on but also.
Speaker 1: Like he can DO stuff i didn't, Mention this like
he has stuff he could just do in. The post
you're not gonna be able to do that if you
have two other bigs on, the court AND so i
think he can make. IT work, i like he's not
even gonna be able to get Those Like jaalen brown
midpost touches if he like the way That the celtics
use their bigs, right Now Because anthony davis is, he
okay here's, a Question Is anthony davis okay Being al
horford if he gets to play power forward to where
you have to try and space the floor so that
you Could Give cooper flag those types. OF touches i
have no, fucking IDEA but i really hope that we
get to see Plenty Of cooper flag plus one big.
Speaker 3: Line, up yeah maybe injuries will work. It Out derek
lively's hurt as we, record this SO but i don't
want anyone to.
Speaker 2: Be hurt is the, thing right that's, F, RIGHT no.
I think, i mean, you know you get into this
with guys that can play a big spot that also.
Can shoot, it's, like well THAT'S what i was getting.
At earlier, it's, LIKE well i guess that means we
can get away with. Two bigs, it's, like no. You
shouldn't you shouldn't really be hoping to get away with.
Two bigs you should be trying to space the floor
with one that so as to maximize the player, like
flags like, various abilities because, You're, right like, you know
we were Talking about hanson and it, was, like well
can you guard him with A small like if you
put a small guy, on flag he's gonna eat, Him
alive like he will just put him in. The bass
and so you want to create situations. Like that if
you're playing him at, the three there's gonna be more bigs,
out there it's gonna be harder for him to pick.
On matchups, SO yeah, i agree like it would be
by far the best situation for him To just davis
as the Five or gafford, or whoever and you don't
see two. BIG looks i.
Speaker 1: DON'T think i do, think though if they're gonna play
the two big Looks. WITH flag, i mean just look
at the other defenders on, this roster LIKE. Even, Pj Washington,
Naji Marshall kayle martin if, He's Healthy, Max, CHRISTIE like,
I don't i don't Know if i'm gonna say this
team would be A top they have top five. Defensive
potential we had a lot of shit in the comments
and we Were Doing west tiers that we were too
high On. The MAVERICKS and i think that they're gonna
settle into somewhere in the middle just because there will
be growing Pains. WITH flag i think the offense is
gonna struggle at Least until kyrie. Comes back but like
the defensive ceiling on, this team regardless of what type
of lineup they're running out by, THE way i think
it's through.
Speaker 2: THE roof. I agree, i agree just the size like
that you met you just ran through Like the Christie's,
In washington's like they could put six or eight or
like six eight or above lineups on, the floor, No problem,
like if Especially if flag really can't handle the ball Like, That.
Speaker 1: Flag, Marshall washington davis And then LIVELY or, I mean
i don't know what the shooting looks like, in there
but you could you could.
Speaker 2: Or you could Just have clay. Out there and he's
your smallest guy at. Six seven THAT SO i i,
you know there are a lot of ways to go
defensively and you can sort of game it if you
do it right with. ENOUGH shooting i. Don't, know uh
that's a conversation for. Another day anything else, to add
any superlatives you'd like to?
Speaker 3: Throw out start bench your g. League grant we didn't answer.
The question we're.
Speaker 2: Starting him you.
Speaker 3: Gotta start i'm g. Leaguing him make.
Speaker 2: Him earn you got to earn your. Stripes today these days,
he's been he's He hasn't he hasn't. Done anything he hasn't,
Proved anything so make him.
Speaker 1: Prove it my one, SHOUT out i lost the, chat
already but we're not talking. About sophomores shout out To
aj mitchell for what he Proved In.
Speaker 3: Summer league and.
Speaker 1: That's that how many times we need like a button,
that said, oh okay so he just did. It again
we kind of alread knew that because before he got
injured last year he.
Speaker 3: Showed it but. SHOUT out i think he was probably.
Speaker 1: The SOPHOMORE maybe i don't know if you want to
say the most, impressive one but he could have been
the most. Impressive ONE but i came away just like
this guy would start on like fifteen other teams, right now, he's,
what okase he's tenth man?
Speaker 2: Or something was he the?
Speaker 3: Number?
Speaker 2: One like why are? You? Here guy for you Of
The summer lea players? You, WATCHED.
Speaker 1: Yeah i, Think so i'm trying to like it was
Him Mar. REEVE sheeppard, i mean let's just.
Speaker 2: Wait to bring, it back? All right anything else to
add besides Your aj, mitchell PRAISE which, I.
Speaker 3: RESPOND no i hope people.
Speaker 1: Enjoy this this was a little bit different than. The
stuff we don't typically go Deep Into, summer LEAGUE but
i had to, do IT so i FIGURED when i
do it, a shot.
Speaker 2: So we had to. Do it thanks everybody, for watching,
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