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<v Speaker 1>Hello and happy Friday. Welcome back to the nonprofits. So

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<v Speaker 1>somehow I have never heard of dominionism. I've heard of

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<v Speaker 1>dominion the board game pretty good, but not dominionism. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want more religion in your government? How about

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<v Speaker 1>more Christianity specifically in every aspect of your life? The

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<v Speaker 1>Seven Mountains Mandate is a dominionist movement within Evangelical Christianity.

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<v Speaker 1>They say they want to take back the seven cultural

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<v Speaker 1>spheres of society. It is to me startling when the

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<v Speaker 1>agenda is literally to dominate every part of society and

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<v Speaker 1>your life. Wait, hold on, wasn't that exactly what they

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<v Speaker 1>said sharia law was going to be. This story is

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<v Speaker 1>from a Snarky Faith by Stuart Delany on August sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as as I said, very brief history of me,

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<v Speaker 1>I have never been a feist. So sometimes things I

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<v Speaker 1>learned about things that I than, I am confused by them.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have never heard of dominionism, which I had

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<v Speaker 1>to go out do some extracurricular reading and discover that

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<v Speaker 1>it is effectively a far right movement of literally taking

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<v Speaker 1>over everything in American society. I'm glad that they have

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<v Speaker 1>a name for it, I guess. And what was then

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<v Speaker 1>startling to me was that I discovered that that is

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<v Speaker 1>forty one percent of Evangelical Christians support not just know about,

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<v Speaker 1>but support the idea of the Seven Mountains mandate, which

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk a little bit more about specifically where the

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<v Speaker 1>seven Mountains are. But I actually just want to cut

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<v Speaker 1>straight to Chasey Tracy and say, on the face of it,

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<v Speaker 1>with nothing else going on, what do you think of

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<v Speaker 1>this absolute broad stroke? Thoughts will dig deeper, It's fascism,

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<v Speaker 1>all right? Cool? And how why? Because because okay, let me,

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<v Speaker 1>let me, let me attempt to steal men them and

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<v Speaker 1>actually be charitable. Is it not the case that pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much every group out there wants to spread their own ideology? Why?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is this fascint fascism?

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<v Speaker 3>So it is not necessarily the spreading of one's own

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<v Speaker 3>ideology that would constitute fascism. If you think you're right,

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<v Speaker 3>then you should try and spread that idea. Uh, that's

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of kind of basic, because if you care

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<v Speaker 3>about other people, you'd want them to also be right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not where I would would draw my fascism from

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<v Speaker 3>from the wanting to spread It's the wanting to take over.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not let's get it in there. It's not let's

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<v Speaker 3>make it a bigger presence. It's let's take it over

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<v Speaker 3>and make it all ours.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it? Is it perhaps the domination?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, sir, it is definitely the domination and the

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<v Speaker 3>suppression of opposition. Also the nationalism and the authoritarianism.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just actually, like really happy that they just like

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<v Speaker 1>they named it right on the nose. It's literally called dominionism,

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<v Speaker 1>which is domination. I just love this so much, so

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to mention pretty quickly what the seven mountains

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<v Speaker 1>are according to them. So the seven mountains that they

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<v Speaker 1>want to take back within society are religion, family, education, government, media,

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<v Speaker 1>arts and entertainment, and business. Two thoughts one arts and

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<v Speaker 1>entertainment is there's a conjunct there, so I guess there's eight,

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<v Speaker 1>but they just wanted to be one thing, I'm being snarky,

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<v Speaker 1>and the other is I'm actually really pleased. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a really morbid and bittersweet thought. I'm actually really pleased

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<v Speaker 1>that they exclusively call out arts because I'm in very

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<v Speaker 1>much a stam related field and I don't get a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of arts despite being a trained actor. So I'm like, oh, yay,

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<v Speaker 1>the Christian fascists want to bring back arts. But I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to know, AJ. So I have heard you

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<v Speaker 1>on previous shows, and I see your notes here as well.

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<v Speaker 1>How does the Seven Mountains mandate with the televangelists that

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<v Speaker 1>have been pushing it since the nineteen seventies, How can

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<v Speaker 1>this relate to something that's occurring right now with our

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<v Speaker 1>current administration, with things like Project twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>It does sound a lot alike, you know, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's meant to take over all aspects of society, like

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<v Speaker 2>education and government, media especially, I think especially media is

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<v Speaker 2>the one that they're focusing on right now, and they

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<v Speaker 2>aim to do this to bring back Christian values to

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<v Speaker 2>the phase of the Earth right and facilitate the second

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<v Speaker 2>Coming of Jesus, because I guess Jesus needed some help coming.

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<v Speaker 3>That was a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, Yes, I thought you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, guys, you will get that.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyways, it's so helpful.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyways, so to me, it seems like Project twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five was brought to us by the Heritage Foundation,

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<v Speaker 2>but they cannot put this into motion without some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of support. So the Seven Mountains Mindage is like the

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<v Speaker 2>public face that is normalizing the goals of Project twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five. They're using all of their available avenues to

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<v Speaker 2>make this question authoritarian reality come true. And the way

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<v Speaker 2>that they do that is by using the media, TVs, movies, documentaries, music,

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<v Speaker 2>all of that, pushing all of these Christian values, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like of anti abortion and pro life and marriage sanctity

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<v Speaker 2>and purred the culture and so on and so forth.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is out at the back of the Horizonation

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<v Speaker 2>Foundations Project twenty twenty five. To me, it seems very

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<v Speaker 2>very interconnected.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm I'm actually just trying to do a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more trying to look into it. And one of

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<v Speaker 1>the abbreviations the seven months mandate is seven M and

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<v Speaker 1>apparently attached to them as the seven M films is

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<v Speaker 1>a quote talent management agency accused of cult like behavior

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<v Speaker 1>at least tho says Early Bevin from TikTok Star Family

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<v Speaker 1>says she's going to be held hostage in a dance colt.

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<v Speaker 2>So like, yeah, we talked about that on a past

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<v Speaker 2>Nonprofitts episode about the seven and seven M TikTok bullshit.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, literally keep these young people from reaching out

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<v Speaker 2>to their families and telling that all these horrible things

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<v Speaker 2>about their family, so that they don't have any other

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<v Speaker 2>type of support and the only support that they have

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<v Speaker 2>is from this dance family. So they're stuck there.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you have either of you ever heard of Steven

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<v Speaker 1>Haissan's method of defining a cult, which is the byte model.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever heard of that?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that? I don't think is that his? Is it

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<v Speaker 3>accurate to say that's his?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is that just what he uses? Well, Steven has

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<v Speaker 1>on developed the Byte model is just really quick catchphrase.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that would be accurate to say with, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the one that says behavior, behavioral control, information control,

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<v Speaker 1>thought control, and emotional control. And at least one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that he does that I think is really interesting as

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<v Speaker 1>he tries to say that like not like pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>every form of group which wants to spread its ideology,

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<v Speaker 1>as we talked about Tracy will adhere to what will

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<v Speaker 1>tick certain boxes on this model. So it's more like

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<v Speaker 1>actually a lot of psychology where it's like cluster symptoms,

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<v Speaker 1>like do you get enough of them under certain categories?

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if the seven M films people

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<v Speaker 1>or if the Seven Mountains Mandate is going to do

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of emotional control that have to dig pretty

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<v Speaker 1>deep into their actual documentation. But like thought control, information control.

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<v Speaker 1>They literally say that they want to take over arts

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<v Speaker 1>and media, and then they have this dance studio that

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<v Speaker 1>is being accused of cult like behavior. So to what extent,

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<v Speaker 1>if any, is information control, thought control useful or necessary

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<v Speaker 1>within fascism? Tracy, Well, you.

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<v Speaker 3>See when you have a fascist Regime's what's really interesting

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<v Speaker 3>is if you tell everybody what you're doing, then they

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<v Speaker 3>don't really tend to like be in favor of it,

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<v Speaker 3>because at the end of the day, you're doing some

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<v Speaker 3>kind of heinous shit. So it's been long enough, I

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<v Speaker 3>can say shit, So like the it's been said a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of the people in World War two era

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<v Speaker 3>Europe didn't know about the camps. They knew things were

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<v Speaker 3>going bad, and they didn't know what was happening in

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<v Speaker 3>the camps. They knew that there was a camp, but

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<v Speaker 3>they weren't going in there and figuring out what was

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<v Speaker 3>going on. You need to be able to hide certain

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<v Speaker 3>things and lie about certain things, because if you give

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<v Speaker 3>somebody the entire truth and you explain it to them, well,

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<v Speaker 3>they're not gonna listen to you and your hateful messaging.

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<v Speaker 3>That's like it's been said before. I guess, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 3>been said before that like religion, if you didn't introduce

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<v Speaker 3>somebody to religion until they were in their mid twenties,

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<v Speaker 3>that it would die out within a generation. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of the same idea here that you need to

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<v Speaker 3>that you give people information when they're in a vulnerable

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<v Speaker 3>position that isn't necessarily right, but appeals to them along

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<v Speaker 3>certain lines. And that is how you gain a fascistic

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<v Speaker 3>amount of control is through this not honest display of

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<v Speaker 3>information as well as misinformation. And so yeah, that's some ways.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are some of the ways. That's the way I

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<v Speaker 3>answer your question. Ron.

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<v Speaker 1>That actually is really interesting because if you go down,

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<v Speaker 1>if you go down your line that for fascism to

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<v Speaker 1>exist in as widespread of a capacity as it would

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<v Speaker 1>like to, it cannot allow everyone to know what is

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<v Speaker 1>actually going on. Clearly, many people are going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to know what's going on the people who are in charge,

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<v Speaker 1>but most people will not be aware of what's happening. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like seven m here, who wants to let

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<v Speaker 1>me scroll up? Take over religion, family, education, government, media, arts, entertainment,

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<v Speaker 1>and business are kind of in many ways doing the

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<v Speaker 1>only thing that they can do, which is to take

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<v Speaker 1>over and control all informedia, all information in media immediately,

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<v Speaker 1>because you have to get when they're young, otherwise they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to find out what's going on and they not

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<v Speaker 3>Yea, they want to take it all over. They want

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<v Speaker 3>to reject liberalism and Marxism apparently with its focus on

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<v Speaker 3>class struggle and internationalism. They want to get rid of liberalism.

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<v Speaker 3>Like we although we may not call ourselves liberals, we

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<v Speaker 3>we do share a lot of values with liberals, saying

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<v Speaker 3>that emphasis on individual rights and democratic form of government

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<v Speaker 3>and things of that nature. But they would reject that entirely.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you've seen what with what's that what's that

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<v Speaker 3>show called that YouTube show where they all sit there's

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<v Speaker 3>like twenty guys all against one guy and it's like, belie,

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<v Speaker 3>there was that fella who hopped on and just what

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<v Speaker 3>was like emphatically, yeah, yeah, I guess I don't like democracy.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess I am a fascist and like he was

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<v Speaker 3>just he was being applauded, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, reminder, Evangelical Christians support the idea of seven m

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<v Speaker 1>taking over literally dominating society. So ajay, I wonder to

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<v Speaker 1>you to what, like like all about this control does that?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to do with it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it is a clear call to action of takeover everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you seen this before, because, like I said, dominionism

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<v Speaker 1>is new to me.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is. Yeah, it really is all about control.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm tired of hearing about all of these plots

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<v Speaker 2>by religious extremists trying to take over literally everything, like

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<v Speaker 2>every aspect of our lives. They want to control people's decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to control their lives, their choices, their bodily autonomy,

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<v Speaker 2>and to be able to say, you know what, my

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<v Speaker 2>imaginary friends said, that you have to do this or else, whatever, hell,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever is more fearful for you. And then suddenly, because

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't come from them, and it came from their

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<v Speaker 2>imaginary friend, then you feel like you are forced to

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<v Speaker 2>follow this invisible leader's demands right when in reality it

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<v Speaker 2>deity when in the Bible. So I don't get people's

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<v Speaker 2>willingness to do this, but I was thinking about something

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned earlier, you said something about them trying to

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<v Speaker 2>control people's minds and to get them early, to get

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<v Speaker 2>people early in life, right, because that's when they're more

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<v Speaker 2>easily manipulated. And that's exactly what they were doing with

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<v Speaker 2>that dance club or studio or actually it's not even that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a compound. They have like houses where they

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<v Speaker 2>house these people. These kids, they're like barely out of

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<v Speaker 2>high school teenagers that they're targeting. And because they're so young,

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<v Speaker 2>generally there are kids that have come from unstable families

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<v Speaker 2>and they don't have that support to go back to

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<v Speaker 2>their families, and the little families that they do have,

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<v Speaker 2>this cult turns them against those very few families, and

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<v Speaker 2>so they have no other resources outside of these compounds.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's still they have to stay there because that's

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<v Speaker 2>the roof, that's their payment for their phone bills, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's the food that they eat. They leave that place

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<v Speaker 2>and they got nothing now in these place it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like the fancy churches. They give them a super

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<v Speaker 2>they have their own phones, et cetera. They get to

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<v Speaker 2>wear super fancy clothing when they're dancing, they get dance classes.

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<v Speaker 2>So they feel like they kind of said, but they

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<v Speaker 2>truly are being fully manipulated into these very very evangelical,

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<v Speaker 2>fundamental religious beliefs, Ajay.

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<v Speaker 3>Something that I think that like I'd like to add

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<v Speaker 3>on to what you're saying here is that this is

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<v Speaker 3>I think a one hundred percent in tensional action here

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<v Speaker 3>that they're targeting the young people because young people are

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<v Speaker 3>for an army, like bullets and a gun, it just

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't work without them. You need young people to fuel

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<v Speaker 3>an army because the old people can't fight very well

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<v Speaker 3>and numbers, and that's the thing. Young people will have

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<v Speaker 3>more children than older people will, and so they will

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<v Speaker 3>fuel the army by giving the your their ideology, which

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<v Speaker 3>is your ideology you put on them to their children,

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<v Speaker 3>growing it out larger and giving you more young people.

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<v Speaker 3>They're trying to build an army, is what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 3>And it may not be an army for for a

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<v Speaker 3>physical battle, but it's definitely an army for a takeover.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the thing that scares me the most when

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<v Speaker 3>I see them targeting young people, people younger than me

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm really young. They're trying to build an army,

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<v Speaker 3>and they aren't really concerned whether it happens this year

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<v Speaker 3>or next year. They're investing in young people, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>the problem that I see my apology. I just wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to add that to what you were saying about these

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<v Speaker 3>cultish like behaviors.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that was a weird point. That was a good point, right.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's that's actually excellent because it made me tangentially

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<v Speaker 1>think of another thing, which is I said earlier I

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<v Speaker 1>was not religious, and I did not deconvert, So you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to tell me if you don't want to.

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<v Speaker 1>But did you, guys deconvert or you're always non religious?

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<v Speaker 2>I was an atheist growing up surprisingly.

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<v Speaker 3>The same.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but when I came to the US, I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of got thrown into the religious deep end. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's very slowly over the next few years, it

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<v Speaker 2>was like all of these religious ideologists that I've never

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<v Speaker 2>heard of before, of souls and ghosts and things like

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of became more normalized. And so by the

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<v Speaker 2>time I had my first kid has some health problems.

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<v Speaker 2>My baby has some health problems, and my husband's family

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<v Speaker 2>was like, Hey, come to church, they will like, heal

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<v Speaker 2>your baby and all of that, and for me that

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<v Speaker 2>was like, all right, let's try it. And so that's

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<v Speaker 2>how I got indoctrinated for quite a few years and

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<v Speaker 2>then converted for the same reason because my kid didn't

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<v Speaker 2>there's no kind of God that would do that to

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<v Speaker 2>a child.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you want to answer, Tracy, but

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why I do, go for it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, Ya want you to talk first, and then I'll answer.

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<v Speaker 3>You were about to say something.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's from the answer, please answer.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, fine, all right. I was raised in

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<v Speaker 3>the Catholic Church. I did all the stuff. I did

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<v Speaker 3>all the little coming of age thingy boppers in the

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<v Speaker 3>Catholic Church, and then when I was eighteen, I decided

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<v Speaker 3>to start taking it seriously. And when I started doing that,

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<v Speaker 3>my life became very miserable because I turned into a

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<v Speaker 3>person that I hated. And I was happy in my life,

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<v Speaker 3>I had a good quality of life. I hated me.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought I was a bad person, not because I

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<v Speaker 3>thought God thought I was a bad person, but because

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<v Speaker 3>in accordance with what I saw as true, I hated,

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<v Speaker 3>and so you said. Eventually I started looking even deeper

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<v Speaker 3>into the Bible, and I realized, wait a second, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>this doesn't make any sense because I wasn't my understanding

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<v Speaker 3>of religion that I was pulling from to create a

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<v Speaker 3>person that I didn't like that was based off of

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<v Speaker 3>Catholic doctrine, not what the book said. And so then

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<v Speaker 3>I read the book and I was like, wait a second,

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<v Speaker 3>the book is nonsense. So I just I kind of

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<v Speaker 3>had to just throw it all away.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the reason why I ask, and i'm actually you

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<v Speaker 1>said very specifically based on what's true. The reason why

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<v Speaker 1>I ask is because I once heard a quippy little

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<v Speaker 1>thing that says, when somebody tells you about themselves, So

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<v Speaker 1>somebody tells you what they're like, believe them, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>really easy for me to go, Okay, why are they

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<v Speaker 1>doing this? Why do seven m exist such that they

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<v Speaker 1>want to quite literally dominate society? So how does something

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<v Speaker 1>like that come to me? Now? I think the naive

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<v Speaker 1>question would be to say something like, well, do they

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<v Speaker 1>just want this or do they not really care about

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<v Speaker 1>what religion? They just wish that it is religious. Why

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<v Speaker 1>does it have to be theirs? And no, stop it

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<v Speaker 1>don't do that. They clearly want their religion to be first. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 1>how do they know they're right? I can't understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been exposed to this in this way. But

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<v Speaker 1>you just said based on what's true, So like they

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<v Speaker 1>do care about truth, they just think they're right. How

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<v Speaker 1>does this happen like this?

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<v Speaker 3>So from my perspective, it was true because my mom

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<v Speaker 3>and dad ad were smart and they wouldn't have made

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<v Speaker 3>me go through all that crap in church unless it

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<v Speaker 3>was right for me.

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<v Speaker 1>That was just how well.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, Yeah, my mom and dad are smart people.

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<v Speaker 3>My dad has a good job, my mom has a

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<v Speaker 3>good job, they started businesses. They wouldn't put me through

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<v Speaker 3>this if it wasn't right. And so that's just that

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<v Speaker 3>was just kind of what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I really I really liked the undercutting because I had

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<v Speaker 1>such a swelling question and then a truthful, honest, juvenile answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Fred, I am here to be undercut. No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually love this sincere answer as well. But AJ,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have any comments on that? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I was I was going to comment that I have

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<v Speaker 2>a different answer to it. And I think that humans

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<v Speaker 2>are always super scared to be wrong. Okay, so when

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<v Speaker 2>you told someone that someone outside of humanity said so,

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<v Speaker 2>it makes it easier for them to think, well, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't question that, right, So I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's why we both fear for religious in that way,

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<v Speaker 2>because scarce to rely on on.

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<v Speaker 3>Their own saying I so you're saying humans are ultimately fallible.

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<v Speaker 3>So they But I guess where I would just poke

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<v Speaker 3>a hole in. It's like, yeah, but who told you that?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>The person who told you someone outside of humanity did

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<v Speaker 3>this was another human.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, no, no, no, I see, I got it. I

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<v Speaker 1>got it. I got it from the book that was

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<v Speaker 1>itself divinely written by the person who himself cannot make mistakes.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn, there it is. And they say so probably in

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<v Speaker 2>the first face this.

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<v Speaker 1>He said so. He just said he said so through me,

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<v Speaker 1>I said so through for him. Yeah all right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you guys,