Speaker 1: Hello and happy Friday. Welcome back to the nonprofits. So
Speaker 1: somehow I have never heard of dominionism. I've heard of
Speaker 1: dominion the board game pretty good, but not dominionism. Well,
Speaker 1: do you want more religion in your government? How about
Speaker 1: more Christianity specifically in every aspect of your life? The
Speaker 1: Seven Mountains Mandate is a dominionist movement within Evangelical Christianity.
Speaker 1: They say they want to take back the seven cultural
Speaker 1: spheres of society. It is to me startling when the
Speaker 1: agenda is literally to dominate every part of society and
Speaker 1: your life. Wait, hold on, wasn't that exactly what they
Speaker 1: said sharia law was going to be. This story is
Speaker 1: from a Snarky Faith by Stuart Delany on August sixth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as as I said, very brief history of me,
Speaker 1: I have never been a feist. So sometimes things I
Speaker 1: learned about things that I than, I am confused by them.
Speaker 1: And I have never heard of dominionism, which I had
Speaker 1: to go out do some extracurricular reading and discover that
Speaker 1: it is effectively a far right movement of literally taking
Speaker 1: over everything in American society. I'm glad that they have
Speaker 1: a name for it, I guess. And what was then
Speaker 1: startling to me was that I discovered that that is
Speaker 1: forty one percent of Evangelical Christians support not just know about,
Speaker 1: but support the idea of the Seven Mountains mandate, which
Speaker 1: we'll talk a little bit more about specifically where the
Speaker 1: seven Mountains are. But I actually just want to cut
Speaker 1: straight to Chasey Tracy and say, on the face of it,
Speaker 1: with nothing else going on, what do you think of
Speaker 1: this absolute broad stroke? Thoughts will dig deeper, It's fascism,
Speaker 1: all right? Cool? And how why? Because because okay, let me,
Speaker 1: let me, let me attempt to steal men them and
Speaker 1: actually be charitable. Is it not the case that pretty
Speaker 1: much every group out there wants to spread their own ideology? Why?
Speaker 1: Why is this fascint fascism?
Speaker 3: So it is not necessarily the spreading of one's own
Speaker 3: ideology that would constitute fascism. If you think you're right,
Speaker 3: then you should try and spread that idea. Uh, that's
Speaker 3: just kind of kind of basic, because if you care
Speaker 3: about other people, you'd want them to also be right.
Speaker 3: That's not where I would would draw my fascism from
Speaker 3: from the wanting to spread It's the wanting to take over.
Speaker 3: It's not let's get it in there. It's not let's
Speaker 3: make it a bigger presence. It's let's take it over
Speaker 3: and make it all ours.
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it perhaps the domination?
Speaker 3: Oh yes, sir, it is definitely the domination and the
Speaker 3: suppression of opposition. Also the nationalism and the authoritarianism.
Speaker 1: I'm just actually, like really happy that they just like
Speaker 1: they named it right on the nose. It's literally called dominionism,
Speaker 1: which is domination. I just love this so much, so
Speaker 1: I wanted to mention pretty quickly what the seven mountains
Speaker 1: are according to them. So the seven mountains that they
Speaker 1: want to take back within society are religion, family, education, government, media,
Speaker 1: arts and entertainment, and business. Two thoughts one arts and
Speaker 1: entertainment is there's a conjunct there, so I guess there's eight,
Speaker 1: but they just wanted to be one thing, I'm being snarky,
Speaker 1: and the other is I'm actually really pleased. This is
Speaker 1: a really morbid and bittersweet thought. I'm actually really pleased
Speaker 1: that they exclusively call out arts because I'm in very
Speaker 1: much a stam related field and I don't get a
Speaker 1: lot of arts despite being a trained actor. So I'm like, oh, yay,
Speaker 1: the Christian fascists want to bring back arts. But I
Speaker 1: do want to know, AJ. So I have heard you
Speaker 1: on previous shows, and I see your notes here as well.
Speaker 1: How does the Seven Mountains mandate with the televangelists that
Speaker 1: have been pushing it since the nineteen seventies, How can
Speaker 1: this relate to something that's occurring right now with our
Speaker 1: current administration, with things like Project twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: It does sound a lot alike, you know, like you said,
Speaker 2: it's meant to take over all aspects of society, like
Speaker 2: education and government, media especially, I think especially media is
Speaker 2: the one that they're focusing on right now, and they
Speaker 2: aim to do this to bring back Christian values to
Speaker 2: the phase of the Earth right and facilitate the second
Speaker 2: Coming of Jesus, because I guess Jesus needed some help coming.
Speaker 3: That was a joke.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yes, I thought you guys.
Speaker 2: I thought, guys, you will get that.
Speaker 1: Anyways, it's so helpful.
Speaker 2: But anyways, so to me, it seems like Project twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five was brought to us by the Heritage Foundation,
Speaker 2: but they cannot put this into motion without some kind
Speaker 2: of support. So the Seven Mountains Mindage is like the
Speaker 2: public face that is normalizing the goals of Project twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five. They're using all of their available avenues to
Speaker 2: make this question authoritarian reality come true. And the way
Speaker 2: that they do that is by using the media, TVs, movies, documentaries, music,
Speaker 2: all of that, pushing all of these Christian values, you know,
Speaker 2: like of anti abortion and pro life and marriage sanctity
Speaker 2: and purred the culture and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2: And this is out at the back of the Horizonation
Speaker 2: Foundations Project twenty twenty five. To me, it seems very
Speaker 2: very interconnected.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm actually just trying to do a little
Speaker 1: bit more trying to look into it. And one of
Speaker 1: the abbreviations the seven months mandate is seven M and
Speaker 1: apparently attached to them as the seven M films is
Speaker 1: a quote talent management agency accused of cult like behavior
Speaker 1: at least tho says Early Bevin from TikTok Star Family
Speaker 1: says she's going to be held hostage in a dance colt.
Speaker 2: So like, yeah, we talked about that on a past
Speaker 2: Nonprofitts episode about the seven and seven M TikTok bullshit.
Speaker 2: They're like, literally keep these young people from reaching out
Speaker 2: to their families and telling that all these horrible things
Speaker 2: about their family, so that they don't have any other
Speaker 2: type of support and the only support that they have
Speaker 2: is from this dance family. So they're stuck there.
Speaker 1: Have you have either of you ever heard of Steven
Speaker 1: Haissan's method of defining a cult, which is the byte model.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of that?
Speaker 3: Is that? I don't think is that his? Is it
Speaker 3: accurate to say that's his?
Speaker 1: Or is that just what he uses? Well, Steven has
Speaker 1: on developed the Byte model is just really quick catchphrase.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be accurate to say with, but.
Speaker 1: It's the one that says behavior, behavioral control, information control,
Speaker 1: thought control, and emotional control. And at least one thing
Speaker 1: that he does that I think is really interesting as
Speaker 1: he tries to say that like not like pretty much
Speaker 1: every form of group which wants to spread its ideology,
Speaker 1: as we talked about Tracy will adhere to what will
Speaker 1: tick certain boxes on this model. So it's more like
Speaker 1: actually a lot of psychology where it's like cluster symptoms,
Speaker 1: like do you get enough of them under certain categories?
Speaker 1: So I don't know if the seven M films people
Speaker 1: or if the Seven Mountains Mandate is going to do
Speaker 1: a lot of emotional control that have to dig pretty
Speaker 1: deep into their actual documentation. But like thought control, information control.
Speaker 1: They literally say that they want to take over arts
Speaker 1: and media, and then they have this dance studio that
Speaker 1: is being accused of cult like behavior. So to what extent,
Speaker 1: if any, is information control, thought control useful or necessary
Speaker 1: within fascism? Tracy, Well, you.
Speaker 3: See when you have a fascist Regime's what's really interesting
Speaker 3: is if you tell everybody what you're doing, then they
Speaker 3: don't really tend to like be in favor of it,
Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, you're doing some
Speaker 3: kind of heinous shit. So it's been long enough, I
Speaker 3: can say shit, So like the it's been said a lot.
Speaker 3: A lot of the people in World War two era
Speaker 3: Europe didn't know about the camps. They knew things were
Speaker 3: going bad, and they didn't know what was happening in
Speaker 3: the camps. They knew that there was a camp, but
Speaker 3: they weren't going in there and figuring out what was
Speaker 3: going on. You need to be able to hide certain
Speaker 3: things and lie about certain things, because if you give
Speaker 3: somebody the entire truth and you explain it to them, well,
Speaker 3: they're not gonna listen to you and your hateful messaging.
Speaker 3: That's like it's been said before. I guess, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: been said before that like religion, if you didn't introduce
Speaker 3: somebody to religion until they were in their mid twenties,
Speaker 3: that it would die out within a generation. And that's
Speaker 3: kind of the same idea here that you need to
Speaker 3: that you give people information when they're in a vulnerable
Speaker 3: position that isn't necessarily right, but appeals to them along
Speaker 3: certain lines. And that is how you gain a fascistic
Speaker 3: amount of control is through this not honest display of
Speaker 3: information as well as misinformation. And so yeah, that's some ways.
Speaker 3: Those are some of the ways. That's the way I
Speaker 3: answer your question. Ron.
Speaker 1: That actually is really interesting because if you go down,
Speaker 1: if you go down your line that for fascism to
Speaker 1: exist in as widespread of a capacity as it would
Speaker 1: like to, it cannot allow everyone to know what is
Speaker 1: actually going on. Clearly, many people are going to have
Speaker 1: to know what's going on the people who are in charge,
Speaker 1: but most people will not be aware of what's happening. Therefore,
Speaker 1: it seems like seven m here, who wants to let
Speaker 1: me scroll up? Take over religion, family, education, government, media, arts, entertainment,
Speaker 1: and business are kind of in many ways doing the
Speaker 1: only thing that they can do, which is to take
Speaker 1: over and control all informedia, all information in media immediately,
Speaker 1: because you have to get when they're young, otherwise they're
Speaker 1: going to find out what's going on and they not
Speaker 1: want to participate.
Speaker 3: Yea, they want to take it all over. They want
Speaker 3: to reject liberalism and Marxism apparently with its focus on
Speaker 3: class struggle and internationalism. They want to get rid of liberalism.
Speaker 3: Like we although we may not call ourselves liberals, we
Speaker 3: we do share a lot of values with liberals, saying
Speaker 3: that emphasis on individual rights and democratic form of government
Speaker 3: and things of that nature. But they would reject that entirely.
Speaker 3: I mean, you've seen what with what's that what's that
Speaker 3: show called that YouTube show where they all sit there's
Speaker 3: like twenty guys all against one guy and it's like, belie,
Speaker 3: there was that fella who hopped on and just what
Speaker 3: was like emphatically, yeah, yeah, I guess I don't like democracy.
Speaker 3: I guess I am a fascist and like he was
Speaker 3: just he was being applauded, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, reminder, Evangelical Christians support the idea of seven m
Speaker 1: taking over literally dominating society. So ajay, I wonder to
Speaker 1: you to what, like like all about this control does that?
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with it. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it is a clear call to action of takeover everything.
Speaker 1: Have you seen this before, because, like I said, dominionism
Speaker 1: is new to me.
Speaker 2: It really is. Yeah, it really is all about control.
Speaker 2: And I'm tired of hearing about all of these plots
Speaker 2: by religious extremists trying to take over literally everything, like
Speaker 2: every aspect of our lives. They want to control people's decisions.
Speaker 2: They want to control their lives, their choices, their bodily autonomy,
Speaker 2: and to be able to say, you know what, my
Speaker 2: imaginary friends said, that you have to do this or else, whatever, hell,
Speaker 2: whatever is more fearful for you. And then suddenly, because
Speaker 2: it didn't come from them, and it came from their
Speaker 2: imaginary friend, then you feel like you are forced to
Speaker 2: follow this invisible leader's demands right when in reality it
Speaker 2: is their own personal interpretation of the demands of this
Speaker 2: deity when in the Bible. So I don't get people's
Speaker 2: willingness to do this, but I was thinking about something
Speaker 2: you mentioned earlier, you said something about them trying to
Speaker 2: control people's minds and to get them early, to get
Speaker 2: people early in life, right, because that's when they're more
Speaker 2: easily manipulated. And that's exactly what they were doing with
Speaker 2: that dance club or studio or actually it's not even that.
Speaker 2: It's like a compound. They have like houses where they
Speaker 2: house these people. These kids, they're like barely out of
Speaker 2: high school teenagers that they're targeting. And because they're so young,
Speaker 2: generally there are kids that have come from unstable families
Speaker 2: and they don't have that support to go back to
Speaker 2: their families, and the little families that they do have,
Speaker 2: this cult turns them against those very few families, and
Speaker 2: so they have no other resources outside of these compounds.
Speaker 2: And there's still they have to stay there because that's
Speaker 2: the roof, that's their payment for their phone bills, that's
Speaker 2: their car payment or whatever they provide them with transportation,
Speaker 2: that's the food that they eat. They leave that place
Speaker 2: and they got nothing now in these place it's kind
Speaker 2: of like the fancy churches. They give them a super
Speaker 2: nice house to stay in with their own bedrooms. You know,
Speaker 2: they have their own phones, et cetera. They get to
Speaker 2: wear super fancy clothing when they're dancing, they get dance classes.
Speaker 2: So they feel like they kind of said, but they
Speaker 2: truly are being fully manipulated into these very very evangelical,
Speaker 2: fundamental religious beliefs, Ajay.
Speaker 3: Something that I think that like I'd like to add
Speaker 3: on to what you're saying here is that this is
Speaker 3: I think a one hundred percent in tensional action here
Speaker 3: that they're targeting the young people because young people are
Speaker 3: for an army, like bullets and a gun, it just
Speaker 3: doesn't work without them. You need young people to fuel
Speaker 3: an army because the old people can't fight very well
Speaker 3: and numbers, and that's the thing. Young people will have
Speaker 3: more children than older people will, and so they will
Speaker 3: fuel the army by giving the your their ideology, which
Speaker 3: is your ideology you put on them to their children,
Speaker 3: growing it out larger and giving you more young people.
Speaker 3: They're trying to build an army, is what they're doing.
Speaker 3: And it may not be an army for for a
Speaker 3: physical battle, but it's definitely an army for a takeover.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing that scares me the most when
Speaker 3: I see them targeting young people, people younger than me
Speaker 3: and I'm really young. They're trying to build an army,
Speaker 3: and they aren't really concerned whether it happens this year
Speaker 3: or next year. They're investing in young people, and that's
Speaker 3: the problem that I see my apology. I just wanted
Speaker 3: to add that to what you were saying about these
Speaker 3: cultish like behaviors.
Speaker 2: No, that was a weird point. That was a good point, right.
Speaker 1: No, that's that's actually excellent because it made me tangentially
Speaker 1: think of another thing, which is I said earlier I
Speaker 1: was not religious, and I did not deconvert, So you
Speaker 1: don't have to tell me if you don't want to.
Speaker 1: But did you, guys deconvert or you're always non religious?
Speaker 2: I was an atheist growing up surprisingly.
Speaker 3: The same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when I came to the US, I kind
Speaker 2: of got thrown into the religious deep end. And I
Speaker 2: think that's very slowly over the next few years, it
Speaker 2: was like all of these religious ideologists that I've never
Speaker 2: heard of before, of souls and ghosts and things like
Speaker 2: that kind of became more normalized. And so by the
Speaker 2: time I had my first kid has some health problems.
Speaker 2: My baby has some health problems, and my husband's family
Speaker 2: was like, Hey, come to church, they will like, heal
Speaker 2: your baby and all of that, and for me that
Speaker 2: was like, all right, let's try it. And so that's
Speaker 2: how I got indoctrinated for quite a few years and
Speaker 2: then converted for the same reason because my kid didn't
Speaker 2: get healed and was suffering a lot, and I was like,
Speaker 2: there's no kind of God that would do that to
Speaker 2: a child.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to answer, Tracy, but
Speaker 1: the reason why I do, go for it.
Speaker 3: No, Ya want you to talk first, and then I'll answer.
Speaker 3: You were about to say something.
Speaker 1: Well, it's from the answer, please answer.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, fine, all right. I was raised in
Speaker 3: the Catholic Church. I did all the stuff. I did
Speaker 3: all the little coming of age thingy boppers in the
Speaker 3: Catholic Church, and then when I was eighteen, I decided
Speaker 3: to start taking it seriously. And when I started doing that,
Speaker 3: my life became very miserable because I turned into a
Speaker 3: person that I hated. And I was happy in my life,
Speaker 3: I had a good quality of life. I hated me.
Speaker 3: I thought I was a bad person, not because I
Speaker 3: thought God thought I was a bad person, but because
Speaker 3: the way I had to act in order to be
Speaker 3: in accordance with what I saw as true, I hated,
Speaker 3: and so you said. Eventually I started looking even deeper
Speaker 3: into the Bible, and I realized, wait a second, I'm
Speaker 3: this doesn't make any sense because I wasn't my understanding
Speaker 3: of religion that I was pulling from to create a
Speaker 3: person that I didn't like that was based off of
Speaker 3: Catholic doctrine, not what the book said. And so then
Speaker 3: I read the book and I was like, wait a second,
Speaker 3: the book is nonsense. So I just I kind of
Speaker 3: had to just throw it all away.
Speaker 1: Well, the reason why I ask, and i'm actually you
Speaker 1: said very specifically based on what's true. The reason why
Speaker 1: I ask is because I once heard a quippy little
Speaker 1: thing that says, when somebody tells you about themselves, So
Speaker 1: somebody tells you what they're like, believe them, because it's
Speaker 1: really easy for me to go, Okay, why are they
Speaker 1: doing this? Why do seven m exist such that they
Speaker 1: want to quite literally dominate society? So how does something
Speaker 1: like that come to me? Now? I think the naive
Speaker 1: question would be to say something like, well, do they
Speaker 1: just want this or do they not really care about
Speaker 1: what religion? They just wish that it is religious. Why
Speaker 1: does it have to be theirs? And no, stop it
Speaker 1: don't do that. They clearly want their religion to be first. Therefore,
Speaker 1: how do they know they're right? I can't understand it.
Speaker 1: I've never been exposed to this in this way. But
Speaker 1: you just said based on what's true, So like they
Speaker 1: do care about truth, they just think they're right. How
Speaker 1: does this happen like this?
Speaker 3: So from my perspective, it was true because my mom
Speaker 3: and dad ad were smart and they wouldn't have made
Speaker 3: me go through all that crap in church unless it
Speaker 3: was right for me.
Speaker 1: That was just how well.
Speaker 3: I was like, Yeah, my mom and dad are smart people.
Speaker 3: My dad has a good job, my mom has a
Speaker 3: good job, they started businesses. They wouldn't put me through
Speaker 3: this if it wasn't right. And so that's just that
Speaker 3: was just kind of what it was.
Speaker 1: I really I really liked the undercutting because I had
Speaker 1: such a swelling question and then a truthful, honest, juvenile answer.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Fred, I am here to be undercut. No,
Speaker 1: that's perfect.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: I actually love this sincere answer as well. But AJ,
Speaker 1: do you have any comments on that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I was I was going to comment that I have
Speaker 2: a different answer to it. And I think that humans
Speaker 2: are always super scared to be wrong. Okay, so when
Speaker 2: you told someone that someone outside of humanity said so,
Speaker 2: it makes it easier for them to think, well, that's true.
Speaker 2: I can't question that, right, So I don't know. I
Speaker 2: think that's why we both fear for religious in that way,
Speaker 2: because scarce to rely on on.
Speaker 3: Their own saying I so you're saying humans are ultimately fallible.
Speaker 3: So they But I guess where I would just poke
Speaker 3: a hole in. It's like, yeah, but who told you that?
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: The person who told you someone outside of humanity did
Speaker 3: this was another human.
Speaker 1: So well, no, no, no, I see, I got it. I
Speaker 1: got it. I got it from the book that was
Speaker 1: itself divinely written by the person who himself cannot make mistakes.
Speaker 2: Damn, there it is. And they say so probably in
Speaker 2: the first face this.
Speaker 1: He said so. He just said he said so through me,
Speaker 1: I said so through for him. Yeah all right, well,
Speaker 1: thank you guys,