WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.839 What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the 2 00:00:02.879 --> 00:00:06.160 Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up 3 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.880 where he left off with the Sarah Kelln conversation with Congress. 4 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:15.240 Question how did the abuse change over the years? Answer? 5 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:18.480 It was pretty consistent, It wasn't It had a period 6 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:20.399 of slight reprieve when he was in jail for a 7 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:22.719 short period of time and then he got out on 8 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:25.679 work release. It wasn't as bad in the years that 9 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:28.600 followed his when he got out of work release, but 10 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:31.199 it was still it still continued, just not to the 11 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:35.280 frequency as much as the last few years. Question when 12 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:37.719 was the first time he abused you? Answer? I don't 13 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:40.759 remember exactly what happened on the first time on the island. 14 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:42.799 The first time I met him, he gave me a 15 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:44.520 tour of the island and then he took me to 16 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:47.759 his bedroom, and I have a visual of him walking 17 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:50.000 up to me and starting to pull up my shirt, 18 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:53.560 but I don't know exactly what happened after that, mister Tolin. 19 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:57.119 And how old were you at the time? Kellen twenty two? 20 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:02.399 Brignac did miss mac Maxwell abuse you? Answer? Yes? Question 21 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:06.040 can you tell us more? Answer? We were on the island, 22 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:08.480 and it was in the bedroom, and I remember Glaine 23 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:10.280 just being on the bed naked, and I was not 24 00:01:10.359 --> 00:01:12.799 expecting her to be there, and I was just very 25 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:17.000 surprised and extremely uncomfortable, and I just remember her kind 26 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:19.200 of like touching me and showing me how to touch 27 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:23.439 Jeffrey and what he liked. Question did anyone witness when 28 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:28.640 Maxwell would abuse you? Answer no, Jeffrey. Question who did 29 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:31.920 you tell about the abuse? Answer nobody until twenty nineteen. 30 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:36.640 Question who did you tell in twenty nineteen? Answer the SDNY, 31 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:41.000 my attorneys, my husband for the first time, other one 32 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:44.680 of my best friends. Question did anyone associated with mister 33 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:50.000 Epstein abuse you? Answer yes? Question who answer Frederick Fokai, 34 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:54.439 also Philip Levine, Gulayne Obviously, Well, so much for Jeffrey 35 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:58.719 Epstein not trafficking to other people. Huh, Brignac. When did 36 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:02.560 Frederick Fokai be use you? Answer in Maui when he 37 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:04.280 asked me to come be in a hair show that 38 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:07.359 didn't exist, and then he had me staying in his 39 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:09.680 hotel room and I didn't have any money to get 40 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:11.719 my own room or to fly back, and he took 41 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:15.680 advantage of me that night. Question did mister Epstein facilitate 42 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:20.080 that abuse? Answer no, because then Frederick introduced me to 43 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:24.360 Jeffrey Epstein. Question did mister Epstein facilitate the abuse by 44 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:28.000 Philip Levine? Answer? I don't know what he knew. It 45 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:30.479 was my first or second year working for them. They 46 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:33.199 rented a house in Santrope one summer, and Philip was 47 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:35.840 really good friends with Golene and he came to stay 48 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:38.840 with us at the house, and Jeffrey and Golene had 49 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:40.919 gone to bed, and Philip and I were still love 50 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:43.639 and he he came up to me and he was like, 51 00:02:43.719 --> 00:02:46.560 you know, must be so lonely for you working with them, 52 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:49.039 because you're with them all the time and you can't 53 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:51.360 have your own life, so you must be really lonely, 54 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:55.000 and he basically forced himself on me. Question did anyone 55 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:59.400 witness the abuse by a Frederick Focai or a Philip Levine? Answer? No? 56 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:04.080 Did you tell anyone? Answer no? Question do you believe 57 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:07.400 that mister Epstein knew about the abuse? Answer? I believe 58 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:09.719 he would have known about Frederick. Clearly, he was not 59 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:12.840 a Victoria's secret scout, and that's what they were posturing 60 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:17.560 him to be. Question did Frederick Focai abuse any others? Answer? 61 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:22.360 I don't know. Question did Philip Levine abuse any others? Answer? 62 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:25.800 I'm not sure. Question when did you first learn that 63 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:29.560 mister Epstein was not Victoria's Secret Scout? Answer? When I 64 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:32.159 went to his island, I learned he was a money manager. 65 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:37.560 Question were any others involved in the Victoria's Secret scheme? Answer? Well, 66 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:39.840 I had learned that one of his main clients was 67 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:43.840 Les Wexner, so it didn't seem too far fetched then 68 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:45.759 that they that he would have had some I mean, 69 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:48.639 he had like a big connection to them. I knew 70 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:51.520 that he was friends with Ed Razik, who was the 71 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:54.840 guy in charge of hiring all Victoria's Secret models, so 72 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:56.879 it kind of seemed to make sense that he could 73 00:03:56.879 --> 00:03:59.960 have been a scout. Question when did you first learn 74 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:03.120 learn that he was not a scout? Answer? I don't 75 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:06.080 know exactly. I kind of felt that he had influence 76 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:08.479 in the arena. I know that someone that he knew 77 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:11.680 was in the Victoria's Secret catalog, and he was friendly 78 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:15.800 with like another Victoria's Secret model, so it wasn't necessarily 79 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:19.160 like just a scout, but he was mostly a money manager. 80 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:23.519 Mister Tolan are you aware of any other instance where 81 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:28.120 mister Epstein presented himself as a Victoria's secret scout. Miss Kellen, 82 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:31.399 I've read about that, but I don't recall who exactly 83 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:36.199 it was, Miss Brignac. Did anyone else abuse you? Miss Ham? 84 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:41.360 Can you clarify the time period, Miss Brignac, Did anyone 85 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:43.720 else abuse you during the time period you work for 86 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:47.040 mister Epstein? Answer? There was an incident related to Frederick. 87 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:50.680 I don't know that Jeffrey knew about it. Frederick introduced 88 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:55.560 me to Patrick de Marcier, a very famous fashion photographer, 89 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:57.959 and I went to his studio and he did photos 90 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:00.160 of me and then walked over to me with his 91 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:05.399 pants down. Question and who is the Marchier? Answer? He 92 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:08.240 is a very famous fashion photographer in all the vogues 93 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:11.800 and bazaars, and very well regarded in the fashion industry. 94 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:17.120 Mister Tolan, what year was that? Kellen? Probably two thousand 95 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:21.560 and two, Miss Brignac. Question Who's Philip Levine? Answer? Who 96 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:23.720 is he? He was a really good friend of Gallayne's. 97 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:25.839 He worked, he had a business, something to do with 98 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:28.639 cruise ships, and then later he became the mayor of 99 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:32.079 Miami Beach. Miss Ham, Sorry, to clarify, was he mayor 100 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:36.199 then Kellen? No? I think I don't know what company 101 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:38.240 was exactly, but I know it had something to do 102 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:41.839 with cruise ships. Mister Biggs, would you mind? I know 103 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.560 this is weird, but d Martier, can you spell that 104 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:47.439 last name for me? Kellen? I have to write it, 105 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:51.319 mister Biggs. Oh, here we go. How about Kellen? It's 106 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:56.040 French like Biggs jumps in D E M A R 107 00:05:56.560 --> 00:06:01.480 C H E L I E R Kellen yep, Bigs. Okay, 108 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:04.240 that helps me. Thank you, Tolin. Just to go back 109 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:08.079 to Philip Levine, what year was that, Kellen? It would 110 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:09.920 have been two thousand and two or two thousand and three, 111 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:14.199 Miss Brignac. Was Les Wexner aware of the abuse? Answer? 112 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:17.920 I don't think so. Question. Can you describe your interactions 113 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:21.560 with Les Wexner? Answer? I met him very briefly. On 114 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:24.600 a few occasions. I went with Jeffrey to his office 115 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:27.240 in Ohio. I remember him and Less going into an 116 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:30.319 office privately, and I was wedding outside with his assistant, 117 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:33.079 and I think there was another worker there and we 118 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:35.360 were just talking and he was like, oh, you work 119 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:38.519 for Jeffrey. They're like, we're terrified of him, like he's 120 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:42.319 very scary. I was like, yeah, I know, but I didn't. 121 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:45.120 I wasn't in the room with them. And then there 122 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:47.720 was one time I remember being like it was outside 123 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:49.639 in the field. It was like a horse thing or 124 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:52.839 something like that, and I believe Abagail was there. And 125 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:56.319 then there was one time on his yacht Mayorca. They 126 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:59.560 docked in Majorca and we went onto the boat for 127 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:02.879 like an hour or so. Question is there anything else 128 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:05.839 you believe facilitated your abuse during the period of time 129 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:09.399 you work with mister Epstein? Answer? No other than the 130 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:13.480 ones I've already said. Question is there anyone who witnessed 131 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:17.360 the abuse of Jeffrey Epstein? Ham the abuse of miss 132 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:21.240 Kellen Brignac? Yes, Kellen Golaine. Sorry, I'm not sure if 133 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:24.360 I can answer the others. Ham. Can we go off 134 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:27.040 record for a second? Brignac, can you answer the question? 135 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:30.600 We can go off record, they come back on record. 136 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:34.399 Question by Brignac. So the question was is there anyone 137 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:37.800 who witnessed the abuse by mister Epstein? Answer? So there 138 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:41.439 was specifically three occasions with other people present. Let me 139 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:44.279 just preface that by saying that I also had my 140 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:48.199 like nude photographs of me displayed around the houses, So 141 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:50.439 anybody that would have been at the houses would have 142 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:53.519 seen that, all the staff members and the guests. So 143 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:56.519 there was an occasion with Glaine, and then there were 144 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:59.000 two other occasions with two other women, once on the 145 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.959 island and once in New York. Question can you tell 146 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:06.160 me about those instances? Answer? So the island was I 147 00:08:06.199 --> 00:08:08.639 don't know how else to call them. Had a girlfriend 148 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:11.399 of his in his bedroom that he directed me how 149 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:14.600 to interact with her. Question did any of mister Epstein's 150 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:18.319 clients witness the abuse by mister Epstein? Answer not that 151 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:21.720 I'm aware of. Question which visitors would have seen the 152 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:25.199 nude photographs of you? Answer anyone. In the Paris apartment, 153 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:28.319 he had a massive, almost life sized nude photo of 154 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:31.279 me in the gym above the fireplace on the island. 155 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:33.320 In the gym, he had a massive, I don't know, 156 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:36.399 like eight foot photo of me naked. On his desk 157 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:38.799 at the ranch, he had a photo of me. Gleayne 158 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:41.480 blew up like a massive, probably three by four foot 159 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:45.960 photo of me mounted into a foam corps. I believe 160 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.120 that was on the island. He had a nude photo 161 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:50.080 of me in the gym in Palm Beach. So I 162 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:54.600 guess whoever, any visitors, any staff members. Question can you 163 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:57.080 recall any clients in mister Epstein that you witness seeing 164 00:08:57.120 --> 00:09:00.240 the nude photographs? Answer? I don't remember a lot of 165 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:03.440 clients being at houses. I remember if they were at 166 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:06.440 the house, they probably mostly would have just been in 167 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:10.000 the common spaces that they may not have been, but 168 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:12.919 not where the photographs are. Within his dining room in 169 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:15.519 New York, that's where he usually had his meetings. I 170 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:17.960 don't remember a lot of clients visiting houses in general. 171 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:22.399 I do remember New York was probably the most often question. 172 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:25.559 You mentioned in your opening statement that you did not 173 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:28.519 feel like you could leave. Can you describe any threats 174 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:31.039 that were made towards you that made you feel that way? 175 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:34.679 Answer that I think is one like. I think the 176 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:38.159 most important thing to understand in all of this that 177 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:40.840 it wasn't so obvious and it wasn't so like in 178 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:44.720 your face. It was covert, behind closed doors, the grooming 179 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:48.080 process of you know, being targeted as a vulnerable person 180 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:51.080 and then him gaining your trust and then making you 181 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:54.919 dependent on him and making false promises to you. It 182 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:57.120 was like he kept you trapped and you know, making 183 00:09:57.200 --> 00:10:00.639 him seem like he was your savior. And then you 184 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:03.399 saw the power and balance and the power dynamic of 185 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:07.200 him knowing everybody in the world. And I remember during 186 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.919 my employment talking to one of my friends and they 187 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:13.200 were like, Sarah, you work twenty four to seven, traveling 188 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:16.000 every two to three days. The amount of hours that 189 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:18.879 you work, you should be making two to three hundred 190 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:21.960 thousand a year. And I was like, yeah, but anybody 191 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:24.600 that could hire me or would hire me in that capacity, 192 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:27.279 like they're all friends with Jeffrey and he's not gonna 193 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:29.919 let us leave, Like he won't let me, he won't 194 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:32.720 let them hire me. So it was just knowing that 195 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:36.240 he really had full control over everything, and then just 196 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:39.519 the fear of not knowing where else to go and 197 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:43.279 not wanting to upset him. Mister Higgins, ma'am, thank you 198 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:45.759 for your calm demeanor. I'm sorry for what you have 199 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:50.519 suffered in your life. Kellen, thank you, Thank you, Higgins. 200 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:53.440 I hope that this time for disclosure and discussion can 201 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:56.840 bring you some peace. Kellen, thank you. I've been waiting 202 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:00.559 a long time to speak. Higgins. Did you have in 203 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:04.039 the course of your time and interactions with Epstein's cabal. 204 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:06.879 Did you have reason to suspect that very young children 205 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:11.320 were also being abused? Pre pubescent children. Did you have 206 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:15.000 any reason to suspect that, Kellen no Higgins, You never 207 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:19.919 saw that, Kellen no ham I think we don't, though, 208 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:22.039 as I mentioned at the beginning, want her to talk 209 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:24.919 about other victims. She can talk about her own experience 210 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:27.799 as a victim, but she's not prepared to talk about 211 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:31.960 other victims, mister Higgins. To the gentle Lady's point, I 212 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:34.600 was careful to phrase my question within her own assessment. 213 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:39.000 I will absolutely respect the parameters at this time on 214 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:41.399 the island. How much time did you spend on the 215 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:45.960 island Kellen quite a bit. That was his main residence, Higgins. 216 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:48.679 Did you have a chance to explore the island very much? 217 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:52.679 Kellen yes, Higgins. Would you be or did you have 218 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:55.600 any knowledge of any secret areas, secret rooms that might 219 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:58.320 be difficult to detect if you did not know that 220 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:00.879 they were there, Like doors that look like walls, things 221 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:05.159 like that, Kellen no Higgins. Okay, thank you for answering 222 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:08.200 those questions. They're helpful for us to dispel some of 223 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:11.440 some of the murmurs that are out there. My final question, 224 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:15.320 your assessment of Jeffrey Epstein, by all accounts was he 225 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:19.519 was a monster? Miss Kellen. Yes, Higgins, did you ever 226 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:22.879 see him as a type of monster that would commit suicide? Kellen? No, 227 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:26.879 I don't believe he did. Higgins. You said that very affirmatively. 228 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:30.399 Can you speak to your assessment there, Kellen. I believe 229 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:32.759 he was too much of a narcissist, that it was 230 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:35.399 too soon. It was just a month and from him 231 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:38.120 getting arrested, and I think that he I'm sure that 232 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:40.840 he thought he'd get off again. He was a coward. 233 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:43.639 I just don't see him going through something like that. 234 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:47.279 I feel like reading kind of like Michael Boden or 235 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:50.120 Boden's assessment of the markings on his neck, the broken 236 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:52.519 bones in his neck. I don't know how that would happen, 237 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:55.559 kind of leaning forward from a bedpost with sheets, none 238 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:58.039 of it. None of it made sense to me. And 239 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.919 just knowing them in general, don't leave it, Higgins. So 240 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:05.120 you believe he was murdered, kell and I do, Higgins. 241 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:08.440 Thank you for answering my questions, mister chairman. That's all 242 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:11.200 I have. All right, folks, We're gonna wrap up right here, 243 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:13.559 and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're 244 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.639 gonna pick up where we left off. All the information 245 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:19.639 that goes with this episode can be found in the 246 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:23.320 description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode 247 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:27.039 of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right 248 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:34.759 back to Sarah Kellen's conversation with Congress mister Biggs. Thank you, 249 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:37.799 and again, thank you for your courage speaking up here 250 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:41.000 with us today. We appreciate it very much. I hope 251 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:43.480 you don't mind that I'm going to revisit the discussion 252 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:46.759 we had with regard to redacted. I believe redacted, and 253 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:49.039 I just want to confirm in my mind to understand 254 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:51.840 if that's okay, and I'm not trying to step outside 255 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:54.559 the bounds that we've set. But here we go. So 256 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:57.600 if I understand right, redacted is the one who arranged 257 00:13:57.639 --> 00:14:00.759 your trip to Epstein's Island to pursue the job as 258 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:06.600 an assistant. Kellen, correct, Biggs. And she also accompanied you 259 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:10.159 to the island. Kellen, yes, Biggs, and she was your 260 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:14.759 roommate for several days on the island. Kellen, yes, Biggs. 261 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:17.720 You were offered the job. I understand during your visit 262 00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:21.960 to the island, Kellen, not that trip Bigs, okay, Kellen. 263 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:24.360 I traveled with them for about a week. We were 264 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:26.600 on the island for about thirty three days, and then 265 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:29.000 Palm Beach for a few days, and then New York 266 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:31.279 for a few days, and then I flew back to Hawaii. 267 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:34.120 It was September tenth, two thousand and one, so I 268 00:14:34.200 --> 00:14:37.120 remember it like it was the day before September eleventh. 269 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:39.759 I was thinking like I had just been in New 270 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:42.840 York the day before, and I flew back to Hawaii, 271 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:45.600 went back to my job at the hotel restaurant, and 272 00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:48.360 then probably like three weeks or a month later, Glane 273 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:50.600 called me and asked if I could fly to Palm 274 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:54.000 Beach that day to start training to work Biggs. All right, 275 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:56.559 and did or redacted? Did she ever end up working 276 00:14:56.600 --> 00:14:59.399 for Epstein or Maxwell? Kellen, No, not that I'm aware 277 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:02.759 of Biggs, And to your knowledge, did she ever? Well, 278 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:06.000 I'll just leave it there. I appreciate the answers. Timmins, 279 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:08.879 thank you. I want to ask some questions about the 280 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:13.200 non prosecution agreement you're specifically mentioned in it. Were you 281 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:17.120 represented by an attorney in that process? Kellen. No, Timmins. 282 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:19.600 When did you find out that your name was included 283 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:23.879 in the non prosecution agreement? Kellen? When it was publicly 284 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:28.000 released Timmins? Around what time? Around what year? Kellen? I 285 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:30.320 think it was probably like a year or two after 286 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:33.840 it was executed, when I think there was like a fight, 287 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:36.600 a legal fight about undoing it or something, and it 288 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:39.039 had been or not been a secret anymore and it 289 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:42.440 was released to the public. Mister Timmins, you've met Darren 290 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:47.240 Endyck Kellen. Yes, Timmins. When did you first meet him? Kellen? 291 00:15:47.559 --> 00:15:50.799 Beginning of my employment in two thousand and two? Timmins. 292 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:54.600 How regular was your interaction with him? Kellen? Not super regular. 293 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:57.399 We worked out of the main office on Madison Avenue 294 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:00.440 in New York, and then eventually they moved offices to 295 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:03.120 three oh one E sixty sixth Street, so I didn't 296 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:05.840 go to the main office very often. Mister Timmins, have 297 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:09.200 you met Richard Kahn, Miss Kellen, Yeah, Timmins. When did 298 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:12.559 you meet him Kellen? When he started working? I don't know. 299 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:15.519 He replaced There was a different accountant when I first 300 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:18.759 started working, and he replaced him a few years into 301 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:22.960 my employment. Timmins. How regular was your interactions with Kahn 302 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:26.399 Kellen again, pretty much the same thing. He worked in 303 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:30.639 the Madison Avenue office, so it wasn't super regular, Timmins. 304 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:33.840 So again, you are not represented by an attorney when 305 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:36.720 your name was put into a non prosecution agreement by 306 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:40.240 the Department of Justice, Kellen, correct, I was never questioned 307 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:43.799 by any law enforcement. Didn't have an attorney, Timmins. You 308 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:47.799 said that earlier. Have you ever been questioned by law enforcement? Kellen? 309 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:52.279 Not until twenty nineteen, for the first time ever, Timmins. 310 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:56.480 You were not questioned by any law enforcement before twenty nineteen, Kellen, 311 00:16:56.600 --> 00:17:01.039 Not a single not a single law enforcement ever twenty nineteen, 312 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:04.240 for the very first time, Timmins. Were you aware that 313 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:07.680 Epstein was considering pleading to something in an effort to 314 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:09.920 wipe away all the crimes he had committed as of 315 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:12.880 two thousand and seven, were you aware that he was 316 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:17.759 being investigated? Were you aware that there was a legal issue? Kellen, Yeah, Timmins, 317 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:20.960 and you had no knowledge that you were associated with 318 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:26.240 his non prosecution agreement Kellen, No, Timmins. Has Richard Dyke 319 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:31.279 ever represented you in any capacity? Kellen, Darrenan Dyke, Timmins, sorry, 320 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:35.440 Darrenan Dyke Kellen, not officially, but he was, Timmins. Did 321 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:39.720 he create your LLC? Kellen? He did, yes, Timmins, So 322 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:43.119 he did represent you. Has Richard Kahn ever done any 323 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:46.240 work for you? Has he prepared your taxes? Kellen? I 324 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:49.680 don't know. I did my own taxes in the beginning, Timmins. 325 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:52.359 Did you ever submit any documents to confirm for the 326 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:55.759 purpose a review? Kellen? So, I don't know if Kahn 327 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:58.359 how much he was involved, but it was another account 328 00:17:58.359 --> 00:18:01.359 and redacted who took like matted all the banking for 329 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:06.000 SLK Designs and all the associations. Timmins. And you were 330 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:09.680 one of the plaintiffs that sue the estate Kellen, yeah, Timmins. 331 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:13.440 Did Indyke ever provide you any illegal advice prior to 332 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:18.000 outside the LLC? Has he ever provided you with legal advice? Kellen? 333 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:21.119 He was kind of like the liaison for hiring attorneys 334 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:24.240 for me in some of the civil cases. He basically 335 00:18:24.279 --> 00:18:26.839 was like, these are your attorneys, connecting me with them. 336 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:29.359 He was the one who up schedule the dates for 337 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:32.319 my deposition. He's the one who would give me documents 338 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:36.160 to sign, not my ex attorneys who were supposedly my attorneys. 339 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:39.359 He was going to do it, Timmins, So did you 340 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:43.559 ever sign a representation agreement with Darren Endyke Kellen? No, 341 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:47.000 I remember he told me one time. I think I 342 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:49.839 don't know how I was subpoenaed for a deposition, and 343 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:51.680 he told me to get my own attorney and that 344 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:54.559 Jeffrey would pay for it. And then Jeffrey was upset 345 00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:56.400 with how much it costs and he didn't want to 346 00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:59.119 pay the fees. So then he sent Darren and I 347 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:01.839 an email that said, you know, can somebody tell me 348 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:05.880 we have this goofball lawyer involved at all? And Darren 349 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:09.640 replied it was my understanding that Brian required Sarah to 350 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:12.160 have her own counsel, but I never understood why she 351 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:14.599 needed her own attorney, like, of course, we can get 352 00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:17.480 rid of them. And so then they didn't pay his 353 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:19.920 fees and I couldn't afford to pay his fees, and 354 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:22.559 then Darren arranged for me to have the same attorney 355 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:26.440 as Jeffrey. Timmins. I'm out of time, but I'm going 356 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:29.119 to have some follow ups. Thank you, miss Brignac, thank 357 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:32.440 you miss Kellen. That will conclude the majority's first hour 358 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:37.079 of questioning. We'll go off the record. Mister redacted, we 359 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:39.880 are on the record. I understand that one or more 360 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:43.079 members has joined us, if they could please identify themselves 361 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:49.599 for the record. Bobert Lauren Bobert question by mister redacted. 362 00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:54.680 Good morning, Miss Kellen. Kellen answer, Good morning. Question. My 363 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:57.279 name is redacted, and I'm going to be doing most 364 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:00.680 of the questions today for the minority. As we proceed, 365 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:02.720 I'm going to cover some of the topics that the 366 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:05.680 Majority is covered with you in the previous round. I'm 367 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:08.079 going to do that not to make you repeat yourself, 368 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:10.319 but just to make sure that we have a clear 369 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:14.559 record as is possible. Before I proceed, I'll note that 370 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:17.240 it's possible that some of my questions today may call 371 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:21.599 for answers that identify actual or potential survivors of Jeffrey 372 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:26.200 Epstein and Glenn Maxwell, or information from which those survivors 373 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:29.880 might be identified. To the extent that my answers to 374 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:33.200 any of those questions do contain such names or information, 375 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:36.759 I'd ask on behalf of the Minority that, prior to 376 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:39.519 any public release of the transcript of the preceding the 377 00:20:39.559 --> 00:20:43.440 Majority ensure that the names of any such survivors, as 378 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:46.880 well as information from which they could be identified, are 379 00:20:46.920 --> 00:20:50.680 fully redacted. And with that, Miss Kellen, you spoke during 380 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:54.119 the previous hour about certain tasks that Jeffrey asked you 381 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:56.519 to perform. I think it would be helpful if you 382 00:20:56.559 --> 00:20:59.000 would just get a fuller sense of the scope of 383 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:01.359 your job duties when you were working for him and 384 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:05.519 Glenn Maxwell. Could you expound on those a bit answer. So, 385 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:08.200 it was a lot of sourcing things for all the houses. 386 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:11.160 I would have to go buy. He would say, I 387 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:13.519 want new tea sets for Palm Beach, So then I 388 00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:16.480 would have to be like as many examples as I 389 00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:19.119 could to show it to him and get his approval 390 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:21.839 and then go buy it. I had to put music 391 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:26.079 on his MP three player I would have. Even though 392 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:28.319 he had a private chef most of the time, he 393 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:30.440 still had me make food for him. He liked the 394 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:32.720 way I made his peanut butter and jelly sandwiches or 395 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:37.039 his tomato mozzarella sandwiches. There were different projects that Glainne 396 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:39.759 would give me. They would have had binders full of 397 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:42.839 the furniture in all of the houses that listed like 398 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:45.440 where they were from, how much they cost, and where 399 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:49.200 they were located. They were constantly moving things around, so 400 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:52.319 I had to update those. A lot of interior design 401 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:55.640