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<v Speaker 1>Billy Cunningham, the great American of course, the issue of

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<v Speaker 1>transgender rights and women's rights, etc. After the Olympics we

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<v Speaker 1>had some of the fall to all fallout from that.

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<v Speaker 1>There were two identified x Y male boxers identifying as

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<v Speaker 1>women who beat the crap out of the female boxers

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<v Speaker 1>and won the gold medals. And the topic has been

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<v Speaker 1>shortainly addressed to force leave by Kardansky, the author of

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<v Speaker 1>the Reckoning How the Democrats and the Left Betrayed Women

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<v Speaker 1>and Girls and also the book The Abolition of Sex,

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<v Speaker 1>How the transgender agenda harms women and girls and Kara Dansky.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show and care. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>a year or two ago I can recall all the

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<v Speaker 1>celebrations about fifty years of Title nine. And if somebody

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<v Speaker 1>would have told those who put together Title nine some

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<v Speaker 1>fifty some years ago that this thing would be morphed

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<v Speaker 1>and of what it is today, would they have been

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<v Speaker 1>shocked or assist this the abolition of rights? Give me

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<v Speaker 1>your perspective of what's happening was transgender rights, especially with

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<v Speaker 1>men playing women's sports in the locker room and blurning

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<v Speaker 1>the lines between male and female.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such an important question. Thank you for having me on. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Title nine was enacted in nineteen seventy two. Fast forward

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<v Speaker 2>fifty years, and the Biden administration in June of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two proposed a complete rewrite of Title nines, implementing regulations. Specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>what that rewrite would do is redefine the word sex

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<v Speaker 2>to include the amorphist and sexist and nebulous concept of

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<v Speaker 2>gender identity. And that final rule. I'm sorry that proposed

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<v Speaker 2>rule became final in April of this year, and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people are battling it out in the courts,

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<v Speaker 2>and I can talk to you a lot about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to make very clear though, Yes, the

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<v Speaker 2>titles of my book are exactly as you read them.

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<v Speaker 2>My books exactly as you read them. I'm a lifelong Democrat,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's part of what makes me a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>unique in many of your listeners may not realize it.

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<v Speaker 2>There are rank and file Democrats all over this country

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<v Speaker 2>who are completely set up with what party leadership is

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<v Speaker 2>doing on this topic. But there's no reason your listeners

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<v Speaker 2>would have any reason to know that, because most media

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<v Speaker 2>outlets will not platform those of us who are speaking

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<v Speaker 2>out against gender identity. From the political left, So thank

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<v Speaker 2>you in particular for having me on for that reason.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, gender identity is a fluid concept. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I could identify as a different gender, and there

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<v Speaker 1>might be as many as one hundred and five or

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen different genders, and it's self identification. I can identify

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<v Speaker 1>as a left hander and play golf, but I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I can identify as a female and take advantage of that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would think this is an issue that moms

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<v Speaker 1>and dads and grandparents and granddads and grandmothers care about.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a few days ago, a week or so ago,

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<v Speaker 1>the US Supreme Court and a five to four decision

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<v Speaker 1>temporarily and only temporarily, kept the status quo, which is

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<v Speaker 1>to hold act for the time being. What's going to

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<v Speaker 1>happen with Title nine being redefined? And ultimately it'll be

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<v Speaker 1>ferreted out and clear away maybe sometime next year. But

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<v Speaker 1>the issue of how gender identity? Can you tell me? Why?

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<v Speaker 1>Why we're here? Because I'm a conservative Republican slash libertarian.

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<v Speaker 1>I tend to vote Republican, but I vote for Democrats too.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a self identified Democrat, and I would assume somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>liberal but why don't more mothers and daughters and anties

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<v Speaker 1>look at this issue and say, what does this mean?

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<v Speaker 1>If a man can become a woman or vice versa,

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<v Speaker 1>what does it mean for a gender identity? And also

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<v Speaker 1>sex discrimination, which I guess doesn't exist anymore because if

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<v Speaker 1>one's gender is amorphous, it goes back and forth, then

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<v Speaker 1>there is no difference in the sexes. And I'd love

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<v Speaker 1>title nine. I think it's a great idea. I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>it worked out. Why aren't more people grasping on the issue?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think? Right? So? I just want to with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Gender identity is a ridiculous concept. It's just an absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculous concept that has no grounding in reality. If a

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<v Speaker 2>person wants to have a gender identity, I suppose they can,

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<v Speaker 2>but that doesn't make the person not either female or male.

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<v Speaker 2>Every single one of us, all eight billion of us,

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<v Speaker 2>are all either female or male. So I just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to get that out there. Why don't more speak out?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's interesting a lot of people on the

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<v Speaker 2>left still don't understand what's going on. That's changing. People

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<v Speaker 2>are getting educated. You mentioned in the Olympics that was

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<v Speaker 2>a pivotal, pivotal moment. But I can tell you that

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<v Speaker 2>I personally know a woman who is a Democrat whose

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<v Speaker 2>daughter was competing in the Ivy League in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two and had to compete against Leah or Will Thomas

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<v Speaker 2>in the NCAA swimming finals in the women's category. That

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<v Speaker 2>was her first exposure to this issue. She first learned

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<v Speaker 2>about it in late twenty twenty one, and she educated

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<v Speaker 2>about herself about it, and then she turned around in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two and started a new organization called the

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<v Speaker 2>Independent Council on Women's precisely for this reason, for moms

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<v Speaker 2>and dads to get involved in protecting single sex sports

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<v Speaker 2>for women and girls. A lot of people still don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of people are still scared. Unfortunately. I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to say, for any listeners out there who

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<v Speaker 2>are still scared to speak out about this, you can

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<v Speaker 2>just say right out loud that a woman is an

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<v Speaker 2>adult human female. People will be mad at you, people

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<v Speaker 2>will yell at you. You might get canceled. I've been canceled.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been yelled at by friends and family members. That's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It's perfectly fine just to say the truth right out loud.

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<v Speaker 1>So as we're formed in the womb. We get X

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<v Speaker 1>and X or X and y, and that's it. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no x y X or x Y or y y X.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one or the other, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>When I hear that, let let me jump in on

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<v Speaker 2>this just for a second. It's slightly more complicated than that,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is where the issue with what happened in

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympics gets a little confusing. So generally speaking, you

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<v Speaker 2>are absolutely right. I understand from doctors. I've spoken with

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<v Speaker 2>developmental biologists evolutionary biologists, so the vast majority of the time,

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<v Speaker 2>every single fetus is either xx or XY. However, it

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<v Speaker 2>is true that there is a tiny sliver of the

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<v Speaker 2>population who have differences of sexual development, which means that

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<v Speaker 2>they have a slightly different chromosomal makeup other than xx

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<v Speaker 2>or XY. That is approximately point zero two percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the population. That's a legitimate medical condition. Those people who

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<v Speaker 2>have that condition have really serious medical conditions and problems

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<v Speaker 2>that they have to work out with their families and

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<v Speaker 2>their doctors. That's a real thing and that needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be addressed medically. But that has nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote gender identity or quote unquote trans.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's play this out, say ten or fifteen years. So

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<v Speaker 1>now let's say the US Supreme Court somehow expands Title

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<v Speaker 1>nines definition to include identity as opposed to sex orientation,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it might be. The Supreme Court says, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we buy the liberal democratic argument and five or ten

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<v Speaker 1>or fifteen years that one can self identify as a

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<v Speaker 1>different gender than what appears to be. Tell me the world,

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<v Speaker 1>say in twenty thirty five, twenty forty, when some little

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<v Speaker 1>three or four year old girl wants privacy in her

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<v Speaker 1>high school locker room, or she wants to play sports

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<v Speaker 1>getting the Olympics, so she wants to go on the

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<v Speaker 1>LPGA tour and she can't because of males hitting the

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<v Speaker 1>ball fifty yards farther. Can you play out, Karadansky, What

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<v Speaker 1>happens if this goes the liberal democratic Kamala Harris way

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<v Speaker 1>and Kamala Harrison and her type wins the argument? What

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<v Speaker 1>does America look like in twenty thirty five?

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<v Speaker 2>So if that happens, women and girls will have lost

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<v Speaker 2>everything we have bought since you know, for centuries to game,

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<v Speaker 2>we fought for the right to vote, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>at the time that we had to fight for the

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<v Speaker 2>right to vote everybody knew what a woman was, everybody

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<v Speaker 2>knew who was excluded from the franchise, nobody was confused

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<v Speaker 2>about what the words mail moment when women weren't allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to vote. And you know, by the way, I have

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<v Speaker 2>made very close common cause with a lot of conservative

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<v Speaker 2>Republican women who understand that if they have the right

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<v Speaker 2>to vote for Republicans, they have first wave feminists to

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<v Speaker 2>think to thank for that. And I'm very grateful to

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<v Speaker 2>the conservative Republican women that I have had the great

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<v Speaker 2>pleasure to work with over the years and protecting women

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<v Speaker 2>and girls as a sex class. But the other thing

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<v Speaker 2>is that in the nineteen sixties and seventies, and many

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<v Speaker 2>of your listeners may disagree with this, but feminists made

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<v Speaker 2>huge gains for women and girls. So, for example, we

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<v Speaker 2>set up domestic violent shelters so that women could flee

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<v Speaker 2>abusive relationships. No one at a domestic violent shelter asks

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<v Speaker 2>for the political affiliation of a woman who's laying violence,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And it was feminists who set up all

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<v Speaker 2>these things. We set up great crisis shelters, We got

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<v Speaker 2>the right to have credit cards. You know, we won

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things over the course of the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixties and seventies, including Title nine. All of that is

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<v Speaker 2>gone if the Democrats in power get their way. And

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<v Speaker 2>I want to stress it's the demic crafts in power.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not rank and file Democrats who are pushing this.

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<v Speaker 2>It truly isn't. I have spoken to so many rank

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<v Speaker 2>and file Democrats who are saying, if if the Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>don't change their course on this, I'm just not going

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<v Speaker 2>to vote for them ever. Again. Some are saying, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, forget the Democratic Party. I'm becoming independent. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of them are saying, you know what, I've had enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm voting for Trump in November. So rank and file

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats are not in lockstep with party leadership on this,

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<v Speaker 2>and part of what is so frustrating. You may have

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<v Speaker 2>seen that I wrote an open letter to Kamala Harris,

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<v Speaker 2>who I have met before, and I'm I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, look, stand up, do the right thing at

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<v Speaker 2>the DMC. Do I think she's going to do that? No?

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<v Speaker 2>I do not. I don't think that for a second.

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<v Speaker 2>But Martina Navertilova, the tennis champ, put my open letter

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<v Speaker 2>to Kamala Harris on for Twitter, and that means that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, several hundred thousand people saw it who otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>may not have. And so my hope in writing something

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<v Speaker 2>like that is not that I'm actually going to persuade

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<v Speaker 2>Gamala Harris to do the right thing. My hope is

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<v Speaker 2>that I will persuade ordinary Americans across the political spectrum

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<v Speaker 2>to take a stand, stand up, stay what it's true,

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<v Speaker 2>and really work together just as ordinary Americans across the

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<v Speaker 2>political spectrum to get this done. If our leaders aren't

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<v Speaker 2>going to do it, we need to do it ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I've practiced law for many years. I've represented

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<v Speaker 1>many battered women, generally men that do the battering. I

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<v Speaker 1>have a wife who's been a great appellate judge, and

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<v Speaker 1>I look at my little granddaughter and I'm thinking, the

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<v Speaker 1>last thing I want is for her to be in

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<v Speaker 1>a situation where she's competing against males in sports or

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<v Speaker 1>in high school or college situations. I think women are

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<v Speaker 1>better than men. I think women live longer than men.

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<v Speaker 1>I think women are better people than men. And the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that we're going to blur the differentials between male

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<v Speaker 1>and female to benefit is point zero two, maybe point

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<v Speaker 1>zero two, at the cost of so many tens of

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<v Speaker 1>millions of girls and women is sickening. Of course, my

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<v Speaker 1>wife when she went to law school, her class it

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<v Speaker 1>students for female females dominate. In the colleges. Males are

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<v Speaker 1>in the same time, I think men don't mature to

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<v Speaker 1>do it a bit earlier because they're better human beings. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>having said that, I'm shocked that more liberal females who

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<v Speaker 1>always vote Democratic are going to look at this issue

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<v Speaker 1>and say, you know what, Kamala Harris is great. The

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party is correct that one sex is fluid. You

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<v Speaker 1>can be male one year, female the next based upon advantages.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no such a thing. Therefore a sex discrimination because

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know what gender you're dealing with, you go

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite direction. There goes Title nine. There goes all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of protections for women that ought to be in

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<v Speaker 1>the marketplace and ought to be in the law. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all ruled unconstitutional because there's not a difference. They're all

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<v Speaker 1>the same. No one's a male, no one's a female,

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<v Speaker 1>and you move back and forth. Why don't more women

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<v Speaker 1>figure this out? Care? Can you tell me that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that it's not true that women are

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<v Speaker 2>the rank and file female Democrat voters are in favor

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<v Speaker 2>of this. They're not, They truly aren't. You just can't

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<v Speaker 2>see it because the media will not platform the liberal

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<v Speaker 2>women's opposition to this, So there's it's not in the

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<v Speaker 2>public eye other than this conversation that we're having right now,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm very grateful for. You have no reason to know.

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<v Speaker 2>There are countless women all over this country who are

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<v Speaker 2>speaking out in their communities and in their families. They

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<v Speaker 2>just can't get a voice in the mainstream legacy media.

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<v Speaker 2>So why because the mainstream legacy media is invested in

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<v Speaker 2>Americans not understanding that we are actually much more united

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<v Speaker 2>on this topic than we are divided.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a political reason? Is that such hatred of

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<v Speaker 2>Or is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what's the motivation to say Gail King, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>CBS Morning, she ought to be out there speaking loud

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<v Speaker 1>and crowd about women and girls and they're different, and

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<v Speaker 1>we have to have sex discrimination laws auto exists. Title

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<v Speaker 1>nine means something now, Nevatolova has spoken out hardly anyone

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<v Speaker 1>else has why So that's.

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<v Speaker 2>When you have to look at the money. And so

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's where I want to encourage listeners to visit

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<v Speaker 2>something called the eleventh Hour Blog literally the number eleven

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<v Speaker 2>one one phourblog dot com. It's written by a woman

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<v Speaker 2>named Jennifer Billick, who has done some unbelievably impressive journalistic

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<v Speaker 2>investigation into the money behind what is pushing all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>I want everyone in America to become familiar with names

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<v Speaker 2>like Tim Gill, who runs something called the Gill Foundation,

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<v Speaker 2>which is based in Colorado, and Rolling Stone has called

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<v Speaker 2>him a megadowner to the Democratic Party. I want everyone

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<v Speaker 2>to get familiar with the name John Striker. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>millions and millions of dollars worth of quote trans and

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<v Speaker 2>queer liberation movement. I want everyone to be familiar with

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<v Speaker 2>the name Martin Rossblatt. He's also a multimillionaire. He runs

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<v Speaker 2>that we can all become completely non sex. He thinks

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<v Speaker 2>that we can move beyond our biology as human beings.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I start to sound a little conspiratorial here.

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<v Speaker 2>I realized. But if Martin Rosblatt were just some weirdo

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<v Speaker 2>in his basement, I wouldn't be worried about it. But

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<v Speaker 2>Martin Rossblatt is a multimillionaire who's been featured in New

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<v Speaker 2>York Magazine. He's been featured on NBC, He's been on Oprah.

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<v Speaker 2>So this man has influence, he has a platform. He

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<v Speaker 2>calls himself a woman. His name is Martin, he was

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<v Speaker 1>You get the picture, right, Yeah, I think this is wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one thing. As a grandfather and as a parent,

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<v Speaker 1>I can I believe in this. This is bad. This

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<v Speaker 1>is bad stuff. And if we legally, if this issue

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<v Speaker 1>is lost, the gains of women since nineteen seventy two

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, of course. And also we can't forget pharma, and

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<v Speaker 2>so we can't forget the scandal of a medical establishment

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<v Speaker 2>that is putting in entire generations worth its young people,

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<v Speaker 2>miners and young adults on hormones and giving them surgeries

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<v Speaker 2>that are utterly irreversible, and that caused permanent damage, including

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<v Speaker 2>loss of sexual function, lots of reproductive function, bone density laws,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes long term disease, including cancer. And there's an industry

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<v Speaker 2>that stands to get it from doing that, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>called pharma.

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<v Speaker 1>Billions of dollars we got to run. Karen Dansky, author

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<v Speaker 1>of The Reckoning, How the Democrats and the Left Betrayed

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<v Speaker 1>Women and Girls. Also the book The Abolition of Sex,

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<v Speaker 1>How the transgender Agenda Harms women and girls. Once again,

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<v Speaker 1>Karen Dansky, this is wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Get the message out and the truth will set us

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<v Speaker 1>off free in Karen Dansky, once again, thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. And perhaps we'll do

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<v Speaker 1>it again later in the year, but thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love that. Thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you care kar Dansky. Wow, your reaction. Let's continue

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<v Speaker 1>with more your reaction. Bill Cunningham with you every day

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<v Speaker 1>at your home of the Reds on news radio seven

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