Speaker 1: Billy Cunningham, the great American of course, the issue of
Speaker 1: transgender rights and women's rights, etc. After the Olympics we
Speaker 1: had some of the fall to all fallout from that.
Speaker 1: There were two identified x Y male boxers identifying as
Speaker 1: women who beat the crap out of the female boxers
Speaker 1: and won the gold medals. And the topic has been
Speaker 1: shortainly addressed to force leave by Kardansky, the author of
Speaker 1: the Reckoning How the Democrats and the Left Betrayed Women
Speaker 1: and Girls and also the book The Abolition of Sex,
Speaker 1: How the transgender agenda harms women and girls and Kara Dansky.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show and care. First of all,
Speaker 1: a year or two ago I can recall all the
Speaker 1: celebrations about fifty years of Title nine. And if somebody
Speaker 1: would have told those who put together Title nine some
Speaker 1: fifty some years ago that this thing would be morphed
Speaker 1: and of what it is today, would they have been
Speaker 1: shocked or assist this the abolition of rights? Give me
Speaker 1: your perspective of what's happening was transgender rights, especially with
Speaker 1: men playing women's sports in the locker room and blurning
Speaker 1: the lines between male and female.
Speaker 2: It's such an important question. Thank you for having me on. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Title nine was enacted in nineteen seventy two. Fast forward
Speaker 2: fifty years, and the Biden administration in June of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two proposed a complete rewrite of Title nines, implementing regulations. Specifically,
Speaker 2: what that rewrite would do is redefine the word sex
Speaker 2: to include the amorphist and sexist and nebulous concept of
Speaker 2: gender identity. And that final rule. I'm sorry that proposed
Speaker 2: rule became final in April of this year, and a
Speaker 2: lot of people are battling it out in the courts,
Speaker 2: and I can talk to you a lot about that.
Speaker 2: I do want to make very clear though, Yes, the
Speaker 2: titles of my book are exactly as you read them.
Speaker 2: My books exactly as you read them. I'm a lifelong Democrat,
Speaker 2: and that's part of what makes me a little bit
Speaker 2: unique in many of your listeners may not realize it.
Speaker 2: There are rank and file Democrats all over this country
Speaker 2: who are completely set up with what party leadership is
Speaker 2: doing on this topic. But there's no reason your listeners
Speaker 2: would have any reason to know that, because most media
Speaker 2: outlets will not platform those of us who are speaking
Speaker 2: out against gender identity. From the political left, So thank
Speaker 2: you in particular for having me on for that reason.
Speaker 1: And of course, gender identity is a fluid concept. I
Speaker 1: guess I could identify as a different gender, and there
Speaker 1: might be as many as one hundred and five or
Speaker 1: nineteen different genders, and it's self identification. I can identify
Speaker 1: as a left hander and play golf, but I guess
Speaker 1: I can identify as a female and take advantage of that.
Speaker 1: And I would think this is an issue that moms
Speaker 1: and dads and grandparents and granddads and grandmothers care about.
Speaker 1: Just a few days ago, a week or so ago,
Speaker 1: the US Supreme Court and a five to four decision
Speaker 1: temporarily and only temporarily, kept the status quo, which is
Speaker 1: to hold act for the time being. What's going to
Speaker 1: happen with Title nine being redefined? And ultimately it'll be
Speaker 1: ferreted out and clear away maybe sometime next year. But
Speaker 1: the issue of how gender identity? Can you tell me? Why?
Speaker 1: Why we're here? Because I'm a conservative Republican slash libertarian.
Speaker 1: I tend to vote Republican, but I vote for Democrats too.
Speaker 1: You're a self identified Democrat, and I would assume somewhat
Speaker 1: liberal but why don't more mothers and daughters and anties
Speaker 1: look at this issue and say, what does this mean?
Speaker 1: If a man can become a woman or vice versa,
Speaker 1: what does it mean for a gender identity? And also
Speaker 1: sex discrimination, which I guess doesn't exist anymore because if
Speaker 1: one's gender is amorphous, it goes back and forth, then
Speaker 1: there is no difference in the sexes. And I'd love
Speaker 1: title nine. I think it's a great idea. I'm glad
Speaker 1: it worked out. Why aren't more people grasping on the issue?
Speaker 2: Do you think? Right? So? I just want to with you.
Speaker 2: Gender identity is a ridiculous concept. It's just an absolutely
Speaker 2: ridiculous concept that has no grounding in reality. If a
Speaker 2: person wants to have a gender identity, I suppose they can,
Speaker 2: but that doesn't make the person not either female or male.
Speaker 2: Every single one of us, all eight billion of us,
Speaker 2: are all either female or male. So I just wanted
Speaker 2: to get that out there. Why don't more speak out?
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting a lot of people on the
Speaker 2: left still don't understand what's going on. That's changing. People
Speaker 2: are getting educated. You mentioned in the Olympics that was
Speaker 2: a pivotal, pivotal moment. But I can tell you that
Speaker 2: I personally know a woman who is a Democrat whose
Speaker 2: daughter was competing in the Ivy League in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two and had to compete against Leah or Will Thomas
Speaker 2: in the NCAA swimming finals in the women's category. That
Speaker 2: was her first exposure to this issue. She first learned
Speaker 2: about it in late twenty twenty one, and she educated
Speaker 2: about herself about it, and then she turned around in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two and started a new organization called the
Speaker 2: Independent Council on Women's precisely for this reason, for moms
Speaker 2: and dads to get involved in protecting single sex sports
Speaker 2: for women and girls. A lot of people still don't know,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people are still scared. Unfortunately. I
Speaker 2: just want to say, for any listeners out there who
Speaker 2: are still scared to speak out about this, you can
Speaker 2: just say right out loud that a woman is an
Speaker 2: adult human female. People will be mad at you, people
Speaker 2: will yell at you. You might get canceled. I've been canceled.
Speaker 2: I've been yelled at by friends and family members. That's okay.
Speaker 2: It's perfectly fine just to say the truth right out loud.
Speaker 1: So as we're formed in the womb. We get X
Speaker 1: and X or X and y, and that's it. There's
Speaker 1: no x y X or x Y or y y X.
Speaker 1: It's one or the other, and that's it.
Speaker 2: When I hear that, let let me jump in on
Speaker 2: this just for a second. It's slightly more complicated than that,
Speaker 2: and this is where the issue with what happened in
Speaker 2: the Olympics gets a little confusing. So generally speaking, you
Speaker 2: are absolutely right. I understand from doctors. I've spoken with
Speaker 2: developmental biologists evolutionary biologists, so the vast majority of the time,
Speaker 2: every single fetus is either xx or XY. However, it
Speaker 2: is true that there is a tiny sliver of the
Speaker 2: population who have differences of sexual development, which means that
Speaker 2: they have a slightly different chromosomal makeup other than xx
Speaker 2: or XY. That is approximately point zero two percent of
Speaker 2: the population. That's a legitimate medical condition. Those people who
Speaker 2: have that condition have really serious medical conditions and problems
Speaker 2: that they have to work out with their families and
Speaker 2: their doctors. That's a real thing and that needs to
Speaker 2: be addressed medically. But that has nothing to do with
Speaker 2: quote unquote gender identity or quote unquote trans.
Speaker 1: Let's play this out, say ten or fifteen years. So
Speaker 1: now let's say the US Supreme Court somehow expands Title
Speaker 1: nines definition to include identity as opposed to sex orientation,
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. The Supreme Court says, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: we buy the liberal democratic argument and five or ten
Speaker 1: or fifteen years that one can self identify as a
Speaker 1: different gender than what appears to be. Tell me the world,
Speaker 1: say in twenty thirty five, twenty forty, when some little
Speaker 1: three or four year old girl wants privacy in her
Speaker 1: high school locker room, or she wants to play sports
Speaker 1: getting the Olympics, so she wants to go on the
Speaker 1: LPGA tour and she can't because of males hitting the
Speaker 1: ball fifty yards farther. Can you play out, Karadansky, What
Speaker 1: happens if this goes the liberal democratic Kamala Harris way
Speaker 1: and Kamala Harrison and her type wins the argument? What
Speaker 1: does America look like in twenty thirty five?
Speaker 2: So if that happens, women and girls will have lost
Speaker 2: everything we have bought since you know, for centuries to game,
Speaker 2: we fought for the right to vote, and you know
Speaker 2: at the time that we had to fight for the
Speaker 2: right to vote everybody knew what a woman was, everybody
Speaker 2: knew who was excluded from the franchise, nobody was confused
Speaker 2: about what the words mail moment when women weren't allowed
Speaker 2: to vote. And you know, by the way, I have
Speaker 2: made very close common cause with a lot of conservative
Speaker 2: Republican women who understand that if they have the right
Speaker 2: to vote for Republicans, they have first wave feminists to
Speaker 2: think to thank for that. And I'm very grateful to
Speaker 2: the conservative Republican women that I have had the great
Speaker 2: pleasure to work with over the years and protecting women
Speaker 2: and girls as a sex class. But the other thing
Speaker 2: is that in the nineteen sixties and seventies, and many
Speaker 2: of your listeners may disagree with this, but feminists made
Speaker 2: huge gains for women and girls. So, for example, we
Speaker 2: set up domestic violent shelters so that women could flee
Speaker 2: abusive relationships. No one at a domestic violent shelter asks
Speaker 2: for the political affiliation of a woman who's laying violence,
Speaker 2: you know, And it was feminists who set up all
Speaker 2: these things. We set up great crisis shelters, We got
Speaker 2: the right to have credit cards. You know, we won
Speaker 2: a lot of things over the course of the nineteen
Speaker 2: sixties and seventies, including Title nine. All of that is
Speaker 2: gone if the Democrats in power get their way. And
Speaker 2: I want to stress it's the demic crafts in power.
Speaker 2: It's not rank and file Democrats who are pushing this.
Speaker 2: It truly isn't. I have spoken to so many rank
Speaker 2: and file Democrats who are saying, if if the Democrats
Speaker 2: don't change their course on this, I'm just not going
Speaker 2: to vote for them ever. Again. Some are saying, you
Speaker 2: know what, forget the Democratic Party. I'm becoming independent. Some
Speaker 2: of them are saying, you know what, I've had enough.
Speaker 2: I'm voting for Trump in November. So rank and file
Speaker 2: Democrats are not in lockstep with party leadership on this,
Speaker 2: and part of what is so frustrating. You may have
Speaker 2: seen that I wrote an open letter to Kamala Harris,
Speaker 2: who I have met before, and I'm I'm you know,
Speaker 2: I'm saying, look, stand up, do the right thing at
Speaker 2: the DMC. Do I think she's going to do that? No?
Speaker 2: I do not. I don't think that for a second.
Speaker 2: But Martina Navertilova, the tennis champ, put my open letter
Speaker 2: to Kamala Harris on for Twitter, and that means that
Speaker 2: you know, several hundred thousand people saw it who otherwise
Speaker 2: may not have. And so my hope in writing something
Speaker 2: like that is not that I'm actually going to persuade
Speaker 2: Gamala Harris to do the right thing. My hope is
Speaker 2: that I will persuade ordinary Americans across the political spectrum
Speaker 2: to take a stand, stand up, stay what it's true,
Speaker 2: and really work together just as ordinary Americans across the
Speaker 2: political spectrum to get this done. If our leaders aren't
Speaker 2: going to do it, we need to do it ourselves.
Speaker 1: You know, I've practiced law for many years. I've represented
Speaker 1: many battered women, generally men that do the battering. I
Speaker 1: have a wife who's been a great appellate judge, and
Speaker 1: I look at my little granddaughter and I'm thinking, the
Speaker 1: last thing I want is for her to be in
Speaker 1: a situation where she's competing against males in sports or
Speaker 1: in high school or college situations. I think women are
Speaker 1: better than men. I think women live longer than men.
Speaker 1: I think women are better people than men. And the
Speaker 1: idea that we're going to blur the differentials between male
Speaker 1: and female to benefit is point zero two, maybe point
Speaker 1: zero two, at the cost of so many tens of
Speaker 1: millions of girls and women is sickening. Of course, my
Speaker 1: wife when she went to law school, her class it
Speaker 1: was the first class in which the majority of the
Speaker 1: students for female females dominate. In the colleges. Males are
Speaker 1: the ones who don't graduate in the same races. Put
Speaker 1: in the same time, I think men don't mature to
Speaker 1: the twenty five or thirty years old. Women tend to
Speaker 1: do it a bit earlier because they're better human beings. Now,
Speaker 1: having said that, I'm shocked that more liberal females who
Speaker 1: always vote Democratic are going to look at this issue
Speaker 1: and say, you know what, Kamala Harris is great. The
Speaker 1: Democratic Party is correct that one sex is fluid. You
Speaker 1: can be male one year, female the next based upon advantages.
Speaker 1: There's no such a thing. Therefore a sex discrimination because
Speaker 1: you don't know what gender you're dealing with, you go
Speaker 1: the opposite direction. There goes Title nine. There goes all
Speaker 1: kinds of protections for women that ought to be in
Speaker 1: the marketplace and ought to be in the law. It's
Speaker 1: all ruled unconstitutional because there's not a difference. They're all
Speaker 1: the same. No one's a male, no one's a female,
Speaker 1: and you move back and forth. Why don't more women
Speaker 1: figure this out? Care? Can you tell me that?
Speaker 2: Well, I think that it's not true that women are
Speaker 2: the rank and file female Democrat voters are in favor
Speaker 2: of this. They're not, They truly aren't. You just can't
Speaker 2: see it because the media will not platform the liberal
Speaker 2: women's opposition to this, So there's it's not in the
Speaker 2: public eye other than this conversation that we're having right now,
Speaker 2: which I'm very grateful for. You have no reason to know.
Speaker 2: There are countless women all over this country who are
Speaker 2: speaking out in their communities and in their families. They
Speaker 2: just can't get a voice in the mainstream legacy media.
Speaker 2: So why because the mainstream legacy media is invested in
Speaker 2: Americans not understanding that we are actually much more united
Speaker 2: on this topic than we are divided.
Speaker 1: Is there a political reason? Is that such hatred of
Speaker 1: Trump and Republicans?
Speaker 2: Or is it?
Speaker 1: Well, what's the motivation to say Gail King, for example,
Speaker 1: CBS Morning, she ought to be out there speaking loud
Speaker 1: and crowd about women and girls and they're different, and
Speaker 1: we have to have sex discrimination laws auto exists. Title
Speaker 1: nine means something now, Nevatolova has spoken out hardly anyone
Speaker 1: else has why So that's.
Speaker 2: When you have to look at the money. And so
Speaker 2: that's that's where I want to encourage listeners to visit
Speaker 2: something called the eleventh Hour Blog literally the number eleven
Speaker 2: one one phourblog dot com. It's written by a woman
Speaker 2: named Jennifer Billick, who has done some unbelievably impressive journalistic
Speaker 2: investigation into the money behind what is pushing all of this.
Speaker 2: I want everyone in America to become familiar with names
Speaker 2: like Tim Gill, who runs something called the Gill Foundation,
Speaker 2: which is based in Colorado, and Rolling Stone has called
Speaker 2: him a megadowner to the Democratic Party. I want everyone
Speaker 2: to get familiar with the name John Striker. He's a
Speaker 2: man who founded something called the Arcis Foundation, which funds
Speaker 2: millions and millions of dollars worth of quote trans and
Speaker 2: queer liberation movement. I want everyone to be familiar with
Speaker 2: the name Martin Rossblatt. He's also a multimillionaire. He runs
Speaker 2: an organization called Terrorist m T e R a s
Speaker 2: e M. He views it as a religion. He thinks
Speaker 2: that we can all become completely non sex. He thinks
Speaker 2: that we can move beyond our biology as human beings.
Speaker 2: And you know, I start to sound a little conspiratorial here.
Speaker 2: I realized. But if Martin Rosblatt were just some weirdo
Speaker 2: typing out crazy, you know, crazy theories on a computer
Speaker 2: in his basement, I wouldn't be worried about it. But
Speaker 2: Martin Rossblatt is a multimillionaire who's been featured in New
Speaker 2: York Magazine. He's been featured on NBC, He's been on Oprah.
Speaker 2: So this man has influence, he has a platform. He
Speaker 2: calls himself a woman. His name is Martin, he was
Speaker 2: born Martin. He calls himself Martin.
Speaker 1: You get the picture, right, Yeah, I think this is wonderful.
Speaker 1: This is one thing. As a grandfather and as a parent,
Speaker 1: I can I believe in this. This is bad. This
Speaker 1: is bad stuff. And if we legally, if this issue
Speaker 1: is lost, the gains of women since nineteen seventy two
Speaker 1: are gone.
Speaker 2: Yes, of course. And also we can't forget pharma, and
Speaker 2: so we can't forget the scandal of a medical establishment
Speaker 2: that is putting in entire generations worth its young people,
Speaker 2: miners and young adults on hormones and giving them surgeries
Speaker 2: that are utterly irreversible, and that caused permanent damage, including
Speaker 2: loss of sexual function, lots of reproductive function, bone density laws,
Speaker 2: sometimes long term disease, including cancer. And there's an industry
Speaker 2: that stands to get it from doing that, and that's
Speaker 2: called pharma.
Speaker 1: Billions of dollars we got to run. Karen Dansky, author
Speaker 1: of The Reckoning, How the Democrats and the Left Betrayed
Speaker 1: Women and Girls. Also the book The Abolition of Sex,
Speaker 1: How the transgender Agenda Harms women and girls. Once again,
Speaker 1: Karen Dansky, this is wonderful.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Get the message out and the truth will set us
Speaker 1: off free in Karen Dansky, once again, thank you for
Speaker 1: coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. And perhaps we'll do
Speaker 1: it again later in the year, but thank you very much.
Speaker 2: I'd love that. Thanks so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you care kar Dansky. Wow, your reaction. Let's continue
Speaker 1: with more your reaction. Bill Cunningham with you every day
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