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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, welcome to That's not a UK Day AFI,

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but you are getting closer. No, it's That's not Metal,

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your weekly rock and heavy metal podcast. And here we

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are in twenty twenty six for the first review show

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of the year. We're a month in now to this

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year what was big. We've got the records that maybe

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you most want to hear about. Our names are Pernhaeish,

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Elliott Paisley and Sam Dignant are here as well. Sorry

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that the show is a bit late. We didn't actually

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make the Friday. Between the three of us, we had

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work scheduling issues, we had illness, and we had like

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electrical breakdowns so that the metal gods did not want

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us to record for Friday. But here we are. We

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made it. Everyone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm healthy again. I just it was on further.

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Speaker 3: I was strugg down for cold and I was like, yeah,

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it's happening today for some of the other things that

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you'd mentioned, was like, yeah, we like, you know, scrap

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it and reroof at the weekend when I'm feeling a

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bit more alive and you've resolved your various things.

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Speaker 4: It's the it's the restorative quality of Dave Mustain that

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has brought you back from the it get to that

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libel of put a bit of credit on the man's name.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, so there he is. He's been mentioned. Our reviews

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for today, our albums from January that we are going

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to run through for you come from Megadeath creator Earn Mull,

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Joyce Manner, The Ruins of beaver Ust and backing Grillin.

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There is quite a lot of news, mainly loads of

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like one of those again weeks where just like the festival,

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avalanches kept coming. I'm going to try and blit through

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this news as swiftly as we can so we can

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really get into the meat of this show, which is

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the album we use. But stuff that has happened over

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the past I guess sort of like nine or ten

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days or so at this point. Firstly, new music wise,

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I guess a lot of people will be interested in

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keeping eyes on the new single from the Excerpts, which

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was released in that period. It's called do It to

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Myself and you know, won't go over what the last

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album was too heavily, but there were there were eyes

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on this. Elliott, you very rightly pointed out, oh no,

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all lowercase song title Prepare for impact. Everyone but Sam

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I know you have, so you can answer for us.

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Is this more along the lines of, you know, what

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we kind of have in mind when we think of

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the excerpts and why we like them.

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Speaker 3: So the song itself, Yeah, the song they're you know,

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they're back to writing actual kind of like framing it

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kind of like anthemic pop song. At the production is

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a choice that that still feels like they're kind of

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like trying to appeal to that gen Z kind of

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market that the last album was like zeroing in on.

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Speaker 2: But at least it does sound like the skin.

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Speaker 3: There's just a weird vocal effect on Marria, which I'm like, dude,

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you've got an amazing voice. You don't need to muddle

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with it. I mean, it's a step back in the

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right direction.

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Speaker 2: We all have a case. I as like I had

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a bit of an aro seeing that.

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Speaker 3: But the song itself, it's got catchy chorus, like the

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guitars are a bit more present in the mix. Again,

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it just it feels a healthy step in the right direction.

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that we're all kind of like a lot of us

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are desperately praying for From the excerpts.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what I have heard is there was also a

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new EP that dropped in the last week or so

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from Final Dose, one of our favorite bands of last year,

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really based on their album they put out last year.

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you know, their records are short and sweet, aren't they,

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be happy. New EP is called Endless Woe. Nice way

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to start off the year. If you enjoyed the record

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last year, with that very particular combination of you know,

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black metal than a lot of the album did, which

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was a bit more punk, but it's still in that

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ballpark of combinations of flavors. It's very good stuff if

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you enjoyed what you heard from them last year. So

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that one was out as well. Like I said, festival barrage,

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we got the news that I guess is worthy of

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its own, you know kind of announcement if you are

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so inclined that Arcane Roots have returned into action one

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of the you know, sort of staple to some degree

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another but in a very kind of cult underground sense.

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much in the two thousand Trees and Arctangent side of

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the audience, so it makes sense that have been added

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single out, which is their first single in eight years.

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on top of that, including pupil slicer Jamie Lehman appearing

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for a live performance nothing Marooge. Really. One that jumped

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out to me is Scorpion Milk have been announced for

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a UK show at Arctangent and the whole Like the

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Arctangent lineup is looking so good. The whole weekend is

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a right off for me, unfortunately, But with this announcement,

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I am looking at the Chelsea Wolf Day and being like,

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do I need to just get down for Chelsea Wolf

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and Scorpion Milk on a Thursday? Because God, whichever one

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you like, throw a dart at, whichever day you managed

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to arrive to if you weren't doing the whole weekend,

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there is really something special.

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Speaker 4: I mean that day with Primus and Napalm Death together, yeah,

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is it's just it's wild. Like there's so many bands

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on this lineup who I've been meaning to see I

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would love to see again. Octanda is one of those

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festivals which I've been meanings to go to for years

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and it's never been quite on the cards, and I

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would like to. I might try and make the trip

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for the Primersday because that's one of my real bucket bands.

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But like you say, the whole thing is just it's rocky.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. If I wasn't otherwise it's engaged. The whole weekend

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would be the thing because it looks unbelievable, Like I said,

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I am, I'm looking at that Chelsea Wolfan Scorpion Milk

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that is really really a bit of me, but more

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great stuff coming from art Tangent. Outbreak have expanded their

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lineup as well. Particularly they have added a lot of

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bands onto the Friday, which is the kind of separately

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you know, ticketed sort of part of it. The Saturday

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and the Sunday has a lot of the really heavy

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hardcore stuff that we've been raving about before, but the

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Friday of that Break now includes the Front Bottoms playing

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their album Talon of the Hawk. It has a bouncing

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composure doing a set mainly themed around their first couple

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of albums. It has Tiger's Jaw free throw pool Kids, Sam.

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system with like different you know, chunks of Outbreak I

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the work sometimes. But do you think that's a solid

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looking first day? Obviously more of the emo and punk

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side of the Outbreak equation. Does that look good?

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Speaker 3: I think if you're into that kind of emo, being

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like the front Bombs on those bands. I never gone

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boarding and haven't gone back to how have they haven't

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twenty ten's Emo, they were one of the like the

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real seminal bands that people like, they're all the most popular,

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Speaker 2: Mainstream pushing of those bands.

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Speaker 3: So I get like, they haven't done anything for a while,

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so then come back to do that album. That's definitely

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a big draw for people who are into that sort

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of thing. And then when you add in you know,

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Tiger's John bands composed underneath them. If you are like

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show extra day to add on. So I think like

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like not ness not normally won me over this time,

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just because again as a headliner, I'm not massively into

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the front bottoms, but I think if you want that

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side of Outbreak, definitely get along for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, up over the wall into Scotland Core Festival, which

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is one of those funny looking festials. I always look

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at their lineups and this one in particular that jumps

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out with me is going this is a really like eclectic,

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strange combination in trying to nail down an audience. I

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suppose it's hard to pin down what Core does beyond

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its own kind of subtag where they describe as a

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celebration of noise, because they have added a bunch of

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bands onto this year's lineup. One includes on the Sunday,

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of the essentially your Damnation type bands. Several of those

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obviously are playing Damnation. I don't know if that's the

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case of, you know, some of them exclusive to Scotland,

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some exclusive to to you know, England, whatever, But if

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you are in Scotland and just cannot bear the thought

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of entering into English territory, then that day is there

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for you. But you also have prior to that, there's

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the headliner for that day. And there's also the likes

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stuff that's on the Sunday, But as it says, a

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celebration of noise picking up a whole bunch of stuff there.

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their already pretty great looking lineup. We very recently got

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the latest announcement from them was Stacked, but they've added

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three more bands onto the festival this week, which includes

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the Danish kind of metallic hardcore band Eyes, Walls in

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the Throne Room and right there currently on the top

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you know rung of the poster, although no headline is

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still announced, Health added to it. And this is a

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Damnation band. You know, they are heavy, their stompy industrial stuff,

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they make sense. They're just as much as the likes

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lots of other territory that is not the Damnation audience,

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so it makes sense they will be high up. But

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it really it kind of threw me for a loop

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still somehow seeing this Damnation poster with you know, such

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bands like Wolves in the Throne Room and obviously I

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Hate God as well. And then there's this massive Health

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logo at the top just in there, like very plain

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font text, and you know, the Damnation kind of team

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have been kind of suggesting that this announcement has been

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like flogging a lot of tickets for them in terms

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of like the weekly uptick of what they do. So

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I think Health really gonna be bringing in a lot

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Speaker 3: Well, there are contemporary They're a band, the one of

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these bands that they are deceptively big in how many

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kind of yeah, different areas they cross into where they

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Needle Drop kind of liked crowd that people like that

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sort of stuff, and that's all things so that they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's called booking.

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last ten years. When they I think it's like get color.

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they sounded like lightning bolts or boredoms and stuff like that.

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it's it's only you mentioning it now that I realized, oh,

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there is a bit od Maybe it's because I was

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teed up by Perth Based and Goss last year, but

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when I saw that, I just thought My initial reactions

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was just well, of course it makes total sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. It's just like I said, you

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just get hit by that. Oh yeah, you are a

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genuinely big band now. Yeah. And as they have this,

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like you know, leap into a different kind of areas

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of the metal audience beyond just what is kind of regularly,

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even though it does I agree, it does very much

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make sense at a damnation and still more festivals just

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popping up and existing. If that wasn't filling your books enough,

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this is looking interesting. The London Metal Fest is something

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that's been announced in the last week. It's taking place

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in just the Underworld, I think, which is mad because

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the headliner is Candle Mass, which I would look at

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that and went, surely you must be including the electric

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Boarnm or something as well, But there you go. London

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Metal Fest happening on the twelfth of September since been

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all day thing. Candle Mass are there and Duel have

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also been announced as one of their kind of rareer

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you know, UK appearances as just underneath Candle Mass there,

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there's something to entice you there and just on the

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kind of the trip of London getting uniquely awesome looking

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stuff that the rest of us go, oh fuck you.

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There are two metal tours going around the UK this

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month that particularly jump out as like, do you just

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like fucking metal? Then these are things that you might

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be attending right. One of them is Heaven Shall Burn

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doing a UK headline tour where they are bringing along

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the Black Dahlia Murder and Frozen Soul. Another tour that's

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happening is Silosis headlining around the country bringing you along

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Revocation as well as a bunch of other opening bands.

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two tours are happening. You know, I am definitely going

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to at least one of those. I would like to

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go to both, but you know how it is, you

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kind of you have to pick your battles. If you're

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in London, you don't have to do that because they

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smushed them together, which means at the Too Kentish Town Forum,

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there is I don't know when this must start, but

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there is a massive day of matter been.

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Speaker 1: By Silosis, which that's pretty cool to see them headlining

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the Forum atop all of these, you know, incredible iconic

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in some cases bands just kind of where they've kind

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of arrived at these days, so good for them. But Silosis,

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Heaven Shall Burn, the Black Dahlia Murder, Revocation, Frozen Soul,

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and then I mentioned the couple of Silosis open as well,

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so they've got a distant and life cycles there. That's

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a crazy day.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have a ticket for even of those tours.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm looking at that and like I should probably

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just get a ticket for that, Like it's like less

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than forty quid for that many bands like it's one

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of those where like they're obviously both tourn Airs and

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the land On London at the same time, and there's

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definitely no yeah faging into each other's ticket, so they've

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probably gone fuck it, like half day, let's get everyone together.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just like, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm not even

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like the biggest Himiho Berth fan.

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Speaker 3: But when I go like Revocation, black Dot, like Froze

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of Revocation, Black Doll.

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Speaker 2: Heavnship and Silosis, the amount of rifts and like, I'm

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just gonna hear and that's a pin.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I should I should just get a ticket

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that that's ridiculously stupid.

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Speaker 1: Just like brilliantly straightforwardly metal rifts as well. Right, there's

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no one there trying any panderin. Yeah, there's no one

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there trying to know, like tap into some trend or

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market that they don't really fit. It's just such a like,

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oh yeah, I love this, this is why we all

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are into this unanimously brilliant run of riffs there. So yeah,

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fuck you everyone in London. That's a ridiculous day. But

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fair enough. As I alluded to earlier, AFI Watch continues

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because AFI have announced an appearance in France. Right they

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are playing the Rock and Senne Festival in Paris. There

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is a day which seems, you know, the more t

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and m friendly day, headlined by Deaftones, also featuring Turnstile Amalon.

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The sniffers landmarks are very high up. I guess they

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are French. And underneath all his bands there is just

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a little AFI name tucked in there. AFI don't come

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to Europe very much. They come to the UK even

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less than they come to the wider continent of Europe.

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But if you are looking at well, they are across

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the channel at least on that particular date. Does this

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mean it's the closest to an AFI UK date we

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have had in quite a while. So the binoculars are out,

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I'll just put it that way. The binoculars are out

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spying across the channel to what might be going on

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over there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking at like what could possibly like likes

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it's very close out the Outbreak London weekend. Deaftones are

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on that, So I'm on the differend. So like I'm like,

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you could say a FI into the Outbreak London line.

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I think I think you can do it, Like I

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know that's the same weekend as like as our Tangent

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and The Cure, Like there's so much going on that weekends,

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it's like is it a worthing alane? But like I'm

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letting the A Fi delusion ride, like we're keeping it going.

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Speaker 2: AFI are going to play the UK next this coming summer.

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Speaker 1: We have to believe, just my luck, AFI will announce

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a fucking headlining show at Bricks and Academy on the

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day that we're seeing The Cure as well. But AFI,

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which continues, they are, They're getting close, They're getting close.

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And the best rock and metal news story of the

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week is that Chuck d from Public Enemy and John

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Densmore from The Doors to Ban they're putting out a

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record for Record Store Day and just this alone, the

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cover art. The first thing I saw of this was

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when you Elliott sent us the cover art and the

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record cover. It looks like you know those fake AI

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movie sequel posters that go around boomer Facebook because they

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don't know any better, right, And it's like Titanic two

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is coming this year, featuring Leonardo DiCaprio reprising his role,

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you know, and there are just all these faces blurred

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over each other. That's what the cover looks like with

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John Densmore and Chuck d like in the clouds of

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I don't know, some like rubble or something. But the

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name of this project, which apparently has been like long rumored,

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I wasn't aware of this seems like a weird combination

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of people anyway, Like musically, I don't know, like I

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like both those artists, but that's a weird, weird, you know,

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fucking egg and I don't know, like like salsa like

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weird thing going on there. What they have done is

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they have taken the name the Doors, taken it down

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to just d O lower case, as the Door's logo

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often was, so it's d O. Then they've taken public

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enemy PE and they've put them together to create Dope.

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Could have been worse, and as many people would if

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you are familiar with rock bands from the turn of

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the millennium, I suppose you go, hang on, there's already

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a band called Dope, and mister Dope himself has come

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forward saying, hang on a minute, that I own that

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that's my band. What a weird confluence of characters here.

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Speaker 4: It's it's just like the guy from Dope who's been

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slugging away in the new metal trenches for the two

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of the most famous, iconic influencial musicians of all time

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get together to steal his band name, and it's it's

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not even gonna be good, Like you just know this album,

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like not to write it off, but it's not going

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to be good. I love that it's called No Country

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for Old Men. I don't know why that makes me

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laugh so much. The whole thing is just like it's

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it's like it was designed to be NAF And it's like,

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we have two bands called Dope now and we yet

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to have a good one.

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Speaker 1: I mean credit to mister Dope his statement. He is like,

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now I know you both legends, Like I've grown up

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listening to both of your bands. I love you both.

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I love the Doors, I love Public Enemy. He's not

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gone scorched earth on them, right, He is like, can

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we can we work this out? Please? Like I don't

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want to get into some kind of spat with these

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musicians that I admire greatly, but I do own that.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy when if you Dope is being like the

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voice of reason in the whole situation, like how have

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we ended up here? Liked reckon the thing of like, oh,

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we've got d O and we have pe, like we

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have those two things together. Well, you know, if he

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wants to rearrange it then maybe no, No, we're gonna stit

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with dope.

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Speaker 4: Actually, like that's the better way around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder why. Well, there you go. That is

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the news in rapid fire for this week. Let's get

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into the main course for today's episode, which as said,

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we have picked out the albums that we most wanted

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to talk about that have come from the first month

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of this year, and we are going to start off

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with the new album from Megadeath. It is a self

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titled album came out a bit over a week ago.

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Now most of you have either heard it or just

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decided that you are going to not listen to it

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out of some principle. So we are here to give

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our takes on it because it is a moment and

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whatever else we will say. There will be things that

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are amusing on this album that we will highlight. There

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might be things that we laugh at kind of lovingly.

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There will be things that might be worthy of derision.

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But I would like to reassert because so little of

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the discussion around this album actually seems to be doing

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so that I think there should be some serious consideration

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of it and some level of weight to it, because

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this is regardless of how long ago the last Megadeth

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album that you liked was, even if you've never liked them,

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without any serious argument, what's whether it's worth considering. Megadeth

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are one of the most integral and definitive heavy metal

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bands of all time. This is a band who helped

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revolutionize the genre and have for forty years been an unstoppable

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presence in our world. Many times. They were nearly stopped

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Mustange's cancer, his debilitating arm injury over twenty years ago

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when he broke up the band, only to say fuck

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you and start it up again a year later. Momentum

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derailing albums, line up after line up after lineup, throw

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it all, Megadeth have not thrown in the towel, and

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they have to show for it. Some of the most perfect,

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quintessential metal albums of all time, and you know that

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have been never beaten or replicated in their lane and

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across a yes sometimes spotty catalog, still a towering collection

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amongst the most size all the genre has ever produced

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of classic and timeless songs one of the literal Big Four,

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probably one of the ten most classic heavy metal bands ever.

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Them finally calling an end to their career is magnificance.

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And while we had the you know, the disclaimer at

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the start there, I've been a bit disheartened by the

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jeering that seems to have primarily accompanied this album online.

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From what I've seen, I know that Megadeth are not

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a cool name in contemporary metal music. I know that

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they are not a band that particularly appeal to gen

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z at the moment, because Dave Mustaine's stick is about

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as far away from a white boy R and B

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singer in a mask that you could possibly get. And

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I know that the future of metal as it appears

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right now is not massively made in Megadeth's image, And

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in recent years they've been, you know, somehow relegated to

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slightly humiliating spots of opening for bands like Disturbed and

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Five Finger Death Punch who have not as yet died

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away in popularity in the same way. So when Megadeth

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do funny Megadeth things like basically the entire rollout for

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this album, it seems even more odds with the rest

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of us. Are all that in twenty twenty six and

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it provokes derision. But if that extends to revisionist history

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about the respect and the credibility that MegaDEF have rightfully earned,

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I have to stand in the way of that and go, sorry, No,

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there are lots of you listening who are waiting for

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us to get completely our knives out for Megadeth the

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way that you have. And there are also lots of

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you listening who have a really strong relationship with this

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band going back, I don't know how many years, and

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I would like, if possible, to strike the balance between

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that in this review, because it is our last time

473
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,200
ever to do so with a new Megadith album.

474
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 3: So I wan, you know, come in as the the

475
00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:39,319
Megadeth hater of the group. I will say you are

476
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,039
so right with a lot of what you said there.

477
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,720
I think here's the thing is, I think MegaDEF have

478
00:23:43,799 --> 00:23:47,160
been worthless for twenty plus years.

479
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 2: We'll say, like in terms of cretive.

480
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,279
Speaker 3: Output, with one good album in the middle of that

481
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,440
sort of twenty year period, I think they're like twenty

482
00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:59,319
first century output has been mostly rubbish. It's been loathsome

483
00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:01,279
at points in some the sort of like things Dave

484
00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:04,000
has said and done on songs whatever, all that sort

485
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:04,400
of stuff.

486
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 2: But I was kind of.

487
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,599
Speaker 3: Looking at this album kind of like they are a

488
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,079
huge in punk band, and it is weird that this

489
00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:15,319
album isn't being kind of greeted with ceremony in a

490
00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:17,720
lot of places, and I think that's our own fault.

491
00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:21,000
I think they have entirely self inflicted the sort of

492
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,319
situation where they are being ridiculed and laughed at with

493
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,319
this album. I think you know we're gonna we've We've

494
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,799
spoken about this song a bunch already, We've laughed at

495
00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:33,720
this song alade I Don't Care is awful, and it

496
00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:35,559
might not even be the worst one on the album,

497
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,200
but that going being like your second single afterget like

498
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,240
we I gave them the kind of like the gentlemen,

499
00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:41,920
sort of like the golf clubs, like tipping point. You

500
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,359
know what, if this is what you're leading your fan

501
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,160
album with, fair enough, this is not the worst way

502
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:46,640
to kind of.

503
00:24:46,599 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: Like send off MegaDEF. And then they immediately shat it.

504
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 3: If I don't care, And I was kind of like,

505
00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:54,200
fuck it, this album is not gonna be worth taking seriously,

506
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,359
But I like I do agree like megaef at their

507
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:03,079
best are like classic timeless albums that even though I

508
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,079
even you have got me begrudging you kind of going, yeah,

509
00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:07,039
these albums are fucking unbelievably good.

510
00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:07,839
Speaker 2: Like they are.

511
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,759
Speaker 3: Like, as much as I wish I could hate all

512
00:25:09,759 --> 00:25:12,880
of Megadeth, i'd be lying to everyone if I said

513
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,960
it was all bad. I think there's a lot there's

514
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,680
a lot of bad in there, but I just think

515
00:25:16,759 --> 00:25:20,240
regards to this album, they've just painted their own target

516
00:25:20,279 --> 00:25:22,200
on their on their backs to just be laughed at

517
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,640
and mocked. And I would have, you know what, I

518
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,480
would have been quite happy to come to the fan

519
00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:28,440
O MEGANI family and go, like, you know what, you

520
00:25:28,519 --> 00:25:29,559
bowed out respectfully.

521
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,319
Speaker 2: There's some dignity there, you know.

522
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,279
Speaker 3: I would have been more than happy to kind of

523
00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:35,880
like eat this st humble Piet and give Megadeth the

524
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,519
sort of the tip of the cap on the way out.

525
00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:39,640
But no, this album is fucking terrible, and I'll let

526
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,079
you two say what you need to say to defend

527
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,039
it for I get the knives out.

528
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's kind of like my preamble out the way.

529
00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 4: Well, I just like, you know, Megadeth are one of

530
00:25:50,599 --> 00:25:52,559
in my life. They've been one of my favorite bands

531
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,000
for most of it. And I think, as I say

532
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,599
what you're saying something about the painted of targets on

533
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,559
their back. And I'm not asking people to I'm not

534
00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:03,359
expecting people to like Megadeth because it's far too late

535
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,799
for that for most people. But I can only speak

536
00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:07,880
as my experience. I think it's a shared experience among

537
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,039
other people, is they are one of the most fun

538
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,960
and rewarding bands to be a fan of in all

539
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,519
of metal. And it's it's because it's not all perfect.

540
00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:19,680
It's because you can't you don't look at it and go, well,

541
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,319
they really nailed it the whole time, and they never

542
00:26:21,319 --> 00:26:23,640
messed anything up, and they never embarrassed themselves and nothing

543
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,319
ever went wrong for a moment. It's because sometimes they

544
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,000
do fuck up, and sometimes things are like laugh out

545
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,839
loud hilarious, like you're buried over laughing at this band

546
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,640
that you adore. But the only reason you care, or

547
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,279
the reason why the stakes are so high, is because

548
00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:41,359
when it's good, which it often is, and I think

549
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,279
pretty much throughout their care there's like the stretch between

550
00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:48,839
Gold and Megadeth material I think goes larger than most

551
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,000
people give them credit for and the stuff that's great,

552
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:52,880
like we did the Rust and Peace Alm Club last year.

553
00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:58,319
It's as good and as exciting as music has ever been.

554
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,319
And for Megadeth to be I was trying to think,

555
00:27:02,319 --> 00:27:04,000
are they the most popular? Not the most popular, maybe

556
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,559
it's not the world, but like most well known metal

557
00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:08,720
band to be bowing out deliberately like this where they're

558
00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:11,079
going out on an album and say this is our

559
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,119
last time. We don't really get many of those. Often

560
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,079
it's in the rearview miror you look at fine lambs

561
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,319
and judging them. So it's like this album, would we

562
00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:20,400
see it differently if we weren't looking at it through that lens?

563
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: I don't know.

564
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,039
Speaker 4: I appreciated recognize that there's wild stuff on this record

565
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,480
that people aren't gonna like, and there's stuff that it's

566
00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:33,400
very easy to laugh at. But I think, like I

567
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,960
said that thing I was saying at the beginning about

568
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,920
then being one of the most rewarding and fun bands

569
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,480
to be a fan of, because it's so exciting getting

570
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:41,000
their records and not knowing how much of it's gonna

571
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,720
be good orw much it's gonna be about what ways

572
00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:44,920
it's gonna be good and bad knowing that this is

573
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,319
the last time I'm when you get that experience, and

574
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,200
again one of the more active classic metal bands in

575
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,200
my lifetime, the fifth or sixth time I got to

576
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:58,599
do that with new records. I do think it might

577
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,839
not map onto some of the songs on record, but

578
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:03,160
the way to that it certainly wasn't lost on me.

579
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the problem with the band as divisive

580
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,720
as Megadeth easily by the way, I think they are

581
00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:12,160
the most rabidly divisive band to ever come out of

582
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,839
thrash metal, and certainly again of that like that list

583
00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:18,519
of as you're saying, sort of the most the ten

584
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,000
most iconic class metal bands ever, they're probably the most

585
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,960
divisive in that list as well, and again they've survived

586
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,920
for over forty years continuously. With that being the case,

587
00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:32,160
The problem is they result in extreme confirmation bias because

588
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,359
much of both sides here in their records, the exact

589
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,200
record they are already predisposed to hear, and almost every

590
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,960
album they've made in the last twenty years has been

591
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,440
subject to that. I think, particularly the last run of them.

592
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,240
You look at Dystopia and the Sick, the dying and

593
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,200
the dead. You look around when those albums are coming

594
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,160
out and you will have seen opinions being aired ranging

595
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,400
from these albums are definitely just as good as Rust

596
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,960
in Peace actually, and this is irredeemable shit, let's all

597
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,400
point and laugh at Megadeth. I think the most fair

598
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,960
review I've seen of this album is the Pitchfork one

599
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:03,440
believe it or not, who gave it a five point two,

600
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,039
And yeah, I think that's fair. I think if you

601
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:08,200
think this is the worst metal album you'll hear this year,

602
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,000
then I am envious of your shallow musical intake and

603
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:14,160
it's definitely not deserving of much higher than that. Megadeth.

604
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,519
I think ultimately the End of the Day lost their

605
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:19,839
ability to be truly great a bit over a decade ago,

606
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,000
and it's kind of was just a casualty of time.

607
00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:28,000
Endgame is their last truly top draw album. There's that

608
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,880
three album run of you know the System has failed,

609
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,559
United Abominations and Endgame maybe up to thirteen. If you

610
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,960
like where you look back now and you go like, yeah,

611
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,079
that was the last Hurrah period for Negadeth. Really. Super

612
00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:43,359
Collider is their last calamity album. The three since then,

613
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,200
and increasingly each so as that creep of time has

614
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,119
moved further over them, they're ultimately their gradual limp to

615
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,599
the finish line, with flashes of inspiration now and then,

616
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,400
but unavoidably a shadow of what they once were. And

617
00:29:57,559 --> 00:29:59,839
I had no expectation going in that this album would

618
00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:03,240
be anything more than that. For me, this was just

619
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:07,119
about the full stop that will be placed by a

620
00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:11,079
band who objectively are very important and personally are very important.

621
00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:16,160
And from that mindset of pragmatic realism, I have had

622
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:21,240
particular moments of that full stop carrying something. But the

623
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:27,319
album essentially is thoroughly, thoroughly mediocre. Tipping point, I think

624
00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:30,599
I've ruined for myself because when that was the first single,

625
00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:32,599
we were like, yeah, yeah, that's pretty good, you know,

626
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,440
in the vein of the last couple of albums had

627
00:30:35,599 --> 00:30:37,480
lead singles that were largely stronger than the rest of

628
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:42,119
the albums. It's tight, pacy, catchy. But now every time

629
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,599
the hook comes in and he goes, I'm on that

630
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,440
tipping point. I just think about Ben Sheppard and I

631
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,839
can't believe we didn't mention we've just done the first

632
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:52,079
part of our nineteen ninety seven special. Looking at the

633
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:54,119
metal from that year, and coincidentally, there was an negative

634
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,720
album from that year as well, and there's a track

635
00:30:55,759 --> 00:31:02,160
on Cryptic Writings called Mastermind. I can't believe we didn't

636
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:07,519
make the Christian connection before, but yeah, tipping point standard

637
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:09,920
modern Megadith single, and then you get, just as we

638
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,000
did in real time, I don't Care, and the lines

639
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,079
for this album were drawn I don't care. I think

640
00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:18,400
I've gone the opposite way to tipping Point, where I

641
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,640
cannot argue to you that it is a good song,

642
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:24,200
but it makes me smile so much.

643
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, I think, I don't care if the

644
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,200
second best songe on this record, it's the only other

645
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:34,599
song that gets to react that like makes me happy

646
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,200
because it is rubbish, but it's at least memorable, Like

647
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,519
like when Dave is going I don't care, you can

648
00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:43,759
kiss my ass, like he's a teenager in the nineties

649
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,039
and not a sixty four year old man in twenty

650
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:49,440
twenty six. That is incredible that you can't come up

651
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,519
with any greater lack of awareness than that, Like the

652
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:54,880
dude has not progressed since the nineties. I think like

653
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,920
it is animal that he's clinging on to his youth

654
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,519
that like the the again we make the Steve you

655
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:02,519
send me how you do fellow kids saw jokes when

656
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:05,359
the song came out, and it just it's so true

657
00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:07,799
about the song. And the thing is is like it's

658
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:10,400
the only of a song again that has remotely stuck

659
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,200
with me because of how funny it is. And that's

660
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,920
why I'm like, you know what I'll give, I'll give you.

661
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,000
I don't care, Megan if you can have that one,

662
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,240
like I'm glad you gave us like a hilarious turkey

663
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:22,680
on this album.

664
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:25,119
Speaker 2: Because my problem with this album past, I don't care.

665
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,079
Speaker 3: I think this is a lefargic, tired, boring album and

666
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:31,920
that is kind of the worst case scenario for this

667
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:32,440
album for me.

668
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:34,119
Speaker 2: I would I would have much.

669
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:39,039
Speaker 3: I would have welcomed a like stinker of like hilarious calamity.

670
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:41,359
There is one other moment of like hilarious clamity on

671
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,960
this album, which we will get to. But for the

672
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,759
most part, I think this album is just boring. I

673
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,119
was gonna just listen to these these songs. Drag on

674
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,640
the Hey God like.

675
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:55,759
Speaker 2: Ist no energy at all. It's draining that song. The

676
00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:56,920
riff is nothing.

677
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:00,799
Speaker 3: It's like the solo, like every solo on this album

678
00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:03,720
holds the momentum of the songs like a good guitar sok.

679
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,960
We've talking about like kind of like accelerates this or

680
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,000
the end of the songs like the finals or big

681
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:10,240
you know, none of them do that on this album.

682
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,599
They drag things to a hold every time. And it's

683
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,319
so like I say, it is a draining listener. And

684
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:16,920
that's why I've got when eyes up with this record,

685
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:18,920
not because I've kind of like out some sickly of

686
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,839
like haha, let's all point to laugh at Megadeth.

687
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,079
Speaker 2: This is just boring. There are worse albums than there are.

688
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 3: There are better arms on this that we have given

689
00:33:26,039 --> 00:33:29,240
an absolute kicking, and I don't like because they are

690
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,680
also again bad albums. I don't think this SEMs to

691
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:33,599
be given any kind of grace's fun on megative album

692
00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:35,599
because it is just a boring album.

693
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:37,839
Speaker 4: See I kind of I kind of get what you're saying,

694
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:40,160
because for me, the songs on this record do fall

695
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,440
into one of two camps. There's the ones that are

696
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,799
sort of, if not good, they're fine, but they're kind

697
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:48,079
of forget me, And that's your tipping points. You obey

698
00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:50,920
the calls, you're made to kill, so on and so

699
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,680
for I outside Iron Waller, outside of Tipping Point, I

700
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,279
couldn't tell you how those songs go. And then there's

701
00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:02,240
the kind of bad quite memorable, which is the sort

702
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,119
of poison chalice of this record, where the songs that

703
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,920
got stuck in my head that I remember, that will

704
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,199
remember going forward from this record and we'll probably define

705
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,599
it in years to come are the ones where you go,

706
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,679
I don't think that's a very good idea. And there

707
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,239
are a few like like I Don't Care as a

708
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,920
perfect example, where tip and Point came out as a

709
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,960
single and I can't listen to it for the first time.

710
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,320
I went, okay, that's sort of like a We'll be backstyle,

711
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:28,400
latter era, totally serviceable, not special Megadeth song. Then I

712
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,320
Don't Care comes along and you go, that's going to

713
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,079
be a memorable Megadeth song forever now, like in ten

714
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:34,719
years when we're looking back on the catalog in a

715
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,920
way that like Breadline is like it's just it's in

716
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,559
the history books forever, and that song is wormed its

717
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:44,639
way into my brain. It's so catchy despite the hook

718
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,599
being I kind of agree like bafflingly rubbish, and there's

719
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:51,719
a few of those on this record. And maybe this

720
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,119
is the confirmation biasing again where I was kind of

721
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,280
enjoying when stuff would come and I go like, wow,

722
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,000
that was a fucking that's a a good idea. But

723
00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:02,559
I kind of like they're swinging for the fence on

724
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:05,519
the last record, and I approve of that more than

725
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:08,840
the stuff that's actually quite well handled.

726
00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:11,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious what songs aside from I don't care

727
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,920
have that factor for you, because I've got a couple

728
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,760
of moments they read okay, well, let's let's arrive to

729
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,960
it soon. I've got a couple of songs that again

730
00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:21,400
are in my you know, in my notes as like

731
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,159
the ones that do jump out by and large album

732
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:28,320
track wise, I if not, maybe in a stronger words,

733
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,039
I essentially agree with Sam because a lot of this

734
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:33,800
album is not When I say that Super Collider is

735
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,800
their last Calamity album, when you just mentioned Breadline there, right,

736
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,440
The title track of super Collider is another one of

737
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,519
those songs that is in the Megadeth infamat book, you know,

738
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:45,000
ah that rolled all of that stuff like it's one

739
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,840
of their funny songs. This album doesn't make bad choices

740
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:54,280
as often as you know they're real that the two

741
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,840
that always will jump out our risk and super colider right,

742
00:35:57,519 --> 00:35:59,079
And I think obviously it is at the lower end

743
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:02,960
overall of what they've done, but it's not disastrous in

744
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,599
that way because it often stays and it's lane. The

745
00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:07,880
problem is out of the most out of any Megadeth

746
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,480
album I think they've ever made, really is it's very

747
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:15,599
middling performance of by and large safe ideas. The performance

748
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:17,159
isn't on this record. The word I would use to

749
00:36:17,199 --> 00:36:20,199
describe them is just very mild. Right, here's a complaint.

750
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,360
I don't see many people airing because everyone's just caught

751
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,719
up on the original subject of like oh, Dave's vocal.

752
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,119
Dick v Buren, the former soil Work drummer, this is

753
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:31,039
his second down with Megadeth. The drums on Megadeth albums

754
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:34,599
are fucking boring now, and I'm not a fan of

755
00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:36,519
the drum sound on this record. It sounds like a

756
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:40,360
practice kit or something, by and large record weird production,

757
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:44,199
like it's worse produced than either you know, the City

758
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:46,360
of Dina Dead or Dystopia, which I'm not saying that

759
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:49,239
you know with obviously Dave's vocal range being what it

760
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,599
is now and everything, they have their own sonic limitations,

761
00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:54,360
but this sounds like pre production for some reason, for

762
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:56,920
like what those records should sound like. I don't know

763
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,800
how that ended up happening for your final record. But

764
00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:05,239
compounding that, the actual parts are so stock where every song,

765
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,760
whether it be a fast one or a mid tempo one,

766
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,360
the engine behind them is so straightforward that it just

767
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,000
doesn't bring anything extra that might help the riffs along.

768
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,119
And I remember being excited back when he was announce

769
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:17,679
as their new drummer because I thought, oh, cool, like

770
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:19,679
an extreme metal guy, right, that's what they need to

771
00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:22,440
inject some energy back in, and it just never happened.

772
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:26,920
And mad amount of years. He is the longest serving

773
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,039
drummer of Megadeth ever because he's been there for ten years. Right,

774
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,119
he's only on two albums because they slowed down the output,

775
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:33,840
but he's been there for ten years. And when you

776
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,880
think about the drummers who gave Megadeth extra kick, be

777
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,599
it Gar Samuelsson or Nick Menza, this is just so basic.

778
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,039
And when I say that Megadeth has lost their ability

779
00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:45,519
to be great with time it's not just that Dave

780
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:47,880
has gotten old, it's that they've lost the chemistry that

781
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,000
did exist in the band, you know, with some of

782
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,599
these more recent lineups, because Dystopia is a better record

783
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:56,960
than this one, at least in part because it has

784
00:37:57,039 --> 00:37:59,599
Dave Ellison on the bass and Chris Adler on the drums,

785
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:03,960
musicians who brought some personality. And we used to get

786
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,280
a Megadeth album every two years. The last decade, it's

787
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,000
even out kind of every five years, and they've not

788
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:10,800
built up the chemistry. And the guy from Winter Sun

789
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,960
who they've got on this album, obviously a supremely talented

790
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,199
guitarist because he's in Winter Sun, but he does just

791
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,440
feel like he's a guy here. You know. He's on

792
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:22,159
hand to do solos without any tension in them. James

793
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,880
Lomonzo on bass, he does the job, but there's no

794
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,239
catchy bass parts or anything that the way there are

795
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,599
on Dave Ellefson records. I think the last really strong

796
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:33,840
Megadeth lineup overall was the Sean Drover and Chris Roderick one,

797
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,159
and ever since then, even though like everybody in this

798
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,039
band's whole history, of course, to some degree has been

799
00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:42,800
a hired hand, but for some reason the last ten

800
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,719
years it feels a little bit more like recent machine Head,

801
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,960
where it just doesn't really matter who's there, right, it's

802
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:50,519
Dave and guys, and as it is, it means that

803
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:54,840
the entire musical juice of this album has just fallen

804
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,000
down to sixty four year old Dave Mustain, and Dave

805
00:38:58,079 --> 00:38:59,679
is at a place in his life where he's only

806
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,960
really able to just about keep a hold of what

807
00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:06,840
Megadeth historically has been and guide it to a gentle landing,

808
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,920
but certainly know more than that. And that's why a

809
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,760
lot of this record is not you know, it's not

810
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,800
going further fucking jugular. A lot of it's actually styled

811
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,519
more on nineties Megadeth than eighties Megadeth. It's lots of

812
00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:22,679
like mid tempo, verse chorus, commercial metal style Megadeth songs.

813
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:26,440
But do they got the juice that countdown to extinction? Does? No?

814
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,119
Speaker 3: That was my point was again, like the rest of

815
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:31,239
the band, the playing is just it feels I say

816
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,000
so safe, I want on relos. That was the guy

817
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,880
from Winston on guitar. I was like, where is that

818
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,440
that juice? Where's that source that he has? This know,

819
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:40,480
it's becoe And again, I think Dave is probably the

820
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:44,000
MVP on this record, shockingly because he's the only personality

821
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:46,760
you're gonna go, well, that's Dave Mustaine. You you get

822
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,000
a sense of him and his character and it is

823
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:51,719
you know, tired rebellion and lyrics where it's impossible for

824
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,440
him to not write lyrics that speak in cliches over

825
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,920
and over again, like some of the most like laughably

826
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:01,400
like clicheving and lyricism he's come out. But at least

827
00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:04,079
it's something, at least there is you know, the days

828
00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:07,079
and character that and he doesn't sound as like rabid

829
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:09,039
and unhinged as he does want the best Megadeth material,

830
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:11,239
which is again, you know, one of the things that

831
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,440
was always kind of like the character MegaDEF he's a

832
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:15,599
terrible vocalist, but you wouldn't swap him out on any

833
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:17,480
of those older records because he's the right guy to

834
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:20,800
sing that unhinged sort of stuff in that in that delivery,

835
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:22,920
and it is you know, when you haven't when you've

836
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,400
just got kind of older Dave than that and you

837
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,159
don't have that, it does immediately remove some of the

838
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:30,159
appeal of what made good Megadeth good, but the very

839
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,199
least again I get, I can get the Impesson were like, well,

840
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,679
this is what Dave is in twenty twenty six, and

841
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,440
at the very list he's staying true to himself, which

842
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,320
is you know, the most gotten too man in metal,

843
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,280
like rambling away. But hey, it's him, let him go,

844
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,719
let him do it. But I just wish there was

845
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,239
a bit of extra source now. And that's why I

846
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,119
went back and listened to the last two album in particular,

847
00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:51,599
which again I'm not a fan of. I was like,

848
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:54,239
there's a bit more juice in those records. The engines

849
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,159
a bit like it's gonna bit more. The riffs do

850
00:40:56,199 --> 00:40:57,880
sound a little bit more at it. So like I

851
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,519
wondered why those I didn't like, they least had, you know,

852
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:04,159
a bit more substance in the kind of like whole

853
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,280
kind of like creator of the album. And that's that's

854
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,920
what's missing here. And again that's why I would put

855
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,400
this album as a noticeable step down from those previous two.

856
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,519
Speaker 4: See, I'm not a dystopia lover at all. I think

857
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:18,199
that album's fine. Sick and Di'm the Dead, I'm really

858
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,840
not keen on I'd probably say this is about on

859
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,880
par with that, but maybe it's because it's shorter and

860
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,719
that there aren't as many things in there which are

861
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,960
just I mean, it's not to say so much about

862
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,679
this record, but like that record has some real ugly

863
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,000
choices on it which have never gelled with me. This record,

864
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:35,760
I the one that strikes me as waste of potential

865
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,960
in terms of the performances is let There Be Shred,

866
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:41,239
which when I saw that song title, you know, because

867
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,960
I'm a twelve year old boy, I can't help but

868
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,239
be excited by a mega death song called let Them

869
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,079
Be Shred and like you say, with teamm from Winter

870
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:49,199
Sun on it, and you go Dave Mustain, one of

871
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:51,840
the all time great shredders and team of one of

872
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,360
the best you know, living guitar players in more modern metal,

873
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,119
and the leads on that which it's so comically overstuffed

874
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:03,280
with a completely unmemorable like there's nothing on their work

875
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,159
which sounds dazzling to the ears. And maybe that's a

876
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,400
dated thing, because it's very hard to be all that

877
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,119
dazzling with that sort of guitar playing in the twenty

878
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:11,039
twenties when it's such a you know, such it from

879
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:15,800
the eighties tradition, but it just it doesn't translate to

880
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:20,079
an actually exciting song. And when Mega Deth don't have

881
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:23,280
that conviction in the performances or it's just not as

882
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,760
convinced that you can personally like that to you know,

883
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,880
fucking head crusher, which is all shred. Yeah, And it's

884
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,039
like when there's just some fire in the engine and

885
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:35,239
a bit of personality, you suddenly have a fucking brilliant song,

886
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:36,840
and as soon as it's not there, you go, oh, well,

887
00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:39,400
you know, the bass ingredients aren't that good this time?

888
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, let that be shred for me in the

889
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,159
the You know, if you if I was a rank

890
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:46,400
every yet song on this album on a scale for me,

891
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,840
it would be like, you know, probably top three or

892
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,719
four songs on the album, just because it is got

893
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,840
that kind of speed metal energy in it. And I

894
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,079
totally agree it is undeniably and obviously a you know,

895
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,119
a watered down operating vary within the comfort zone version

896
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:08,360
of what that is compared to any number of the

897
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,119
brilliant songs in that vein from Megadearth history, I agree,

898
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:12,840
But just in the concert album, and a lot of

899
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,840
it is you know, songs like hey, God and stuff

900
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,559
like that, which I agree are pretty tepid. You go, ah,

901
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:20,320
you know there's something And like I said, the biggest

902
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,559
problem fucking boring drum parts. Where if that song and

903
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:25,880
those riffs had a drum or with any spark, right,

904
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,960
if gar Sam you're simply playing on that song, it

905
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:30,719
could be flying. You know. There's been a lot of

906
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:35,679
meming about the lyrics on that song. I yeah, they

907
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:38,960
are funny, Yeah they are, Like it's a very basic

908
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:42,159
dumb rhyme scheme. I'm not going to get upset about

909
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:45,280
them because I mean, if Luke from The Dirty Nil

910
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,320
was saying the exact same words, everyone would fallen over it.

911
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,519
I'm sorry, you just don't like it's Dave Mustain saying it.

912
00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:52,880
And yeah, the weakened delivery of sixty four year old

913
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,559
Dave Mustain saying it and you kind of deliver it

914
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:57,400
the way he does does affect it. But Davids Stain,

915
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,679
I also think he has a greater history shredding that

916
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,000
was anyone else alive. Right, It's not like this is

917
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,440
being written by the bloke from Wargasm or something, right,

918
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,360
facts is he brought the shred like the capacity for

919
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,880
shred and metal got higher because Davis Dade exists, He's

920
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,920
got the resume, so I'm not embarrassed by him on

921
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,639
his final album looking back and going like, yeah, we

922
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:19,039
did a bit of that, and I don't mind on

923
00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:20,960
your final album when you have the legacy of Megadeth,

924
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:24,920
a bit of nostalgic self mythologizing kind of like something

925
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,679
that I don't care whatever, I'm not gonna necessarily die

926
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,199
on the hill. I think it's a great song because

927
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,960
I don't. But I wasn't offended by him singing about

928
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,159
playing guitar the way that some people out there just

929
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:37,440
seem like horrified by the very idea of that. Right,

930
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,400
it's Megadeth, right, fine, sure.

931
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 3: It's just it's a boring song about rocking out and

932
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,360
how did you get that? Like I was like, you

933
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,199
know what, Mega jing a speed must on the last album,

934
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,400
Fine do it, But it was just like again, because

935
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,280
there's no like.

936
00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:54,039
Speaker 2: Fire in that engine. It does. I was like, oh,

937
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:55,239
this is such a hard comparison.

938
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 3: But whenevering like the random speed metal song clucked into

939
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,440
the middle of an album, the Big Give Me the

940
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,360
Painkiller on the Last Nails, which that is kind of

941
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,920
like Spein again, but it's the same thing. It's the

942
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,840
it's not a Spein metal album. We're gonna pluck a

943
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,639
speedmal so on Randman this album. And it's the kind

944
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:12,079
of like jewel in the crown of that album that

945
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:13,559
just kind of makes me go, it makes me give

946
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:15,239
an excitement and let them be shred.

947
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: Not that it is lively is boring. And I was like,

948
00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:19,960
I just want to enjoy.

949
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,079
Speaker 3: I will always want to enjoy songs about rocking out,

950
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:24,000
you know, They're one of those things that should bring

951
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:25,000
joy to us all.

952
00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:26,599
Speaker 2: And this ain't that.

953
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I think it's again, it's mild. I

954
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:33,400
just I don't mind it. I suppose in part because

955
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,000
I said it was kind of a relief from what certainly,

956
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:40,639
if we remove the singles from now track three through

957
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:43,360
to like track nine on the record, with the exception

958
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,280
of of let thet Be tread in, there a lot

959
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,800
of it are those, as we were saying, kind of

960
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:53,639
counter to extinction euthanasia style mid tempo melodic Megadeth thongs,

961
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,960
but being played without the lineup that gives those things character.

962
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,039
And obviously Dave has been operating within you know, ten

963
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:05,519
percent of his vocal range for years now, by and large.

964
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:07,639
When I hear those songs, the problem isn't that they

965
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:09,480
are like, oh my god, they're so embarrassing. It is

966
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:12,239
just that meekness I was talking about. They don't muster

967
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,760
up the crazed manic energy that Dave at is best.

968
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,039
Did they put out the track Puppet Parade alongside of

969
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,440
those kind of model songs on this album? That was

970
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:24,760
the one that got put out as like the advanced

971
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,360
track from it? And I think of again, yeah, I

972
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,360
am wars your hey gods, whatever you're in other bad days.

973
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,159
I think puppet Parade is the at least the most

974
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:36,360
memorable of them, I suppose because it's got a kind

975
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,440
of hummable chorus. I think if you remember, if you

976
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,320
have a fondness for the likes of Angry Again and

977
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,480
you die dead enoughs and stuff like that. I can

978
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:48,280
hear Megadeth in that melody right like. It sounds like

979
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,360
a Dave Mustain melody. It's just not being sung by

980
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,480
a top of his Game version of him. So I

981
00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:56,800
can kind of mindlessly hum along with something like Puppet

982
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,559
paradecause it's not a bad melody right again, and it

983
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:02,400
speaks to my love of Megadeth melodies. It's just unavoidably

984
00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:08,639
a much meeker, lower, unable to really reach out and

985
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,440
grab you by, you know, the Scraphia neck version of

986
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:16,079
that song when they historically have the ones that do.

987
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 4: I would agree that it's better than those other ones

988
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:20,920
you mention. I don't know if it's more memorable than

989
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:21,800
Another Bad Day.

990
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 3: That's you know what I remember, because another Bad Day

991
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,039
is a day of a new Megadeth album.

992
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: It is.

993
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 4: That song is quite bad, you know, like it's I think,

994
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,320
like Dave Mustain considering, he gets a lot of credits,

995
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,079
not the word. He gets painted as a very like

996
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:41,960
one note performer, and I sort of understand that because

997
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,360
the big Megadeth songs he's sort of doing the same thing.

998
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:47,039
But he can pull off quite a variety of emotions.

999
00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:51,800
He does paranoid very well. He does angry, he does despairing,

1000
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,039
he can do scared. He even he's done like love songs, yeah,

1001
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:58,760
which are quite good. He's not great at moping, which

1002
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,639
I know ironic. He's had about half a century of

1003
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:06,599
practice at it. But like Sad Whiddle, Dave Mustaine is

1004
00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:10,000
not appealing like this song. It's it's not another Bad Day.

1005
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,360
Mega A song called not Another Bad Day in nineteen

1006
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,239
ninety two would be about how is Boss Tom to

1007
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,119
fix the photocopy and he shot him in the face.

1008
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,440
This is more just like a van splashed me, and

1009
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,639
now my trousers are wet, and I forgot to bring

1010
00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:22,920
my lunch to work, and now I've got to go

1011
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,360
out and buy one, and that means going to stay

1012
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,480
like it's just it's so it's very unflattering for Mega Death,

1013
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:30,800
especially kind of on your last album. Like I know

1014
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,119
it doesn't have the whole thing is not going to

1015
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:36,480
be super triumphant, but it's it's such a downer song

1016
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,159
on this record. It's just if there was any energy,

1017
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,079
which there was very little of. If there was any,

1018
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,239
it's just depleted by having it in the track list.

1019
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And again that's why I I'm kind

1020
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:49,039
of all right with stuff like that that'v be shred

1021
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:51,079
because in comparison, it's a bit like, oh, we know,

1022
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:53,639
at least it's kind of this is celebrating something. You know,

1023
00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:58,199
we can all agree that whether you enjoy how he's

1024
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:00,239
writing about it, whatever, we all like a bit of shred. Right,

1025
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,880
there's it kind of gives you a bit of that kick,

1026
00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:05,039
and it it's being stuck next to songs like Youain,

1027
00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:06,760
like Hey God and Another Bad Day that does kind

1028
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,440
of make it stand out a little bit more in comparison,

1029
00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:14,039
and it is better I think this album when it avoids,

1030
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:17,239
as you say, like the slightly more mobile side and

1031
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,719
goes for a little bit of that. As I said,

1032
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:25,280
nostalgic self mythologizing, considering you weren't. I just don't think

1033
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,599
we were going to get really any top draw Megadeth

1034
00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:29,360
on this last album, right because the time has come

1035
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,159
and gone. The element of the album that I found

1036
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:35,400
most valuable as a farewell is that, just like we

1037
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:36,960
were saying, what fall stop can you put on it?

1038
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,400
You know, the records playing it's safe, it's bowing out,

1039
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,119
kind of tired. At the very least, hopefully it can

1040
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:44,840
offer a bit of a nostalgic goodbye that long time

1041
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,559
fans of this band can appreciate in the same way

1042
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:50,880
that like the epilogue hour of the mostly naf final

1043
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,119
season of Stranger Things, Right, as we were said, you

1044
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:54,719
get a load of nonsense, but then at the last

1045
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,360
hour you go like, oh okay, you know, we had,

1046
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,719
we had some times together. That's what I wanted at

1047
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,079
this essentially, and that's why I knew this album was

1048
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:03,960
gonna be lacking. But I still carved out the ritual of,

1049
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,519
like you know, pressing play at midnight and all that

1050
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:07,119
because I knew it was gonna be the last time.

1051
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,760
And when it reached the last note, I did sit

1052
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,519
still and quietly and I took it in. And that

1053
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,400
is my favorite song on this album by a long

1054
00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:20,079
long way. Yeah, because it's the song that has any

1055
00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:23,360
kind of significance to me. Sam, you're pulling a face

1056
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,679
like you're gonna shit all over this. You're gonna shit

1057
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,000
over the Megadeth fans dreams enjoying their final song, Say

1058
00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:29,719
what you have to say.

1059
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 2: No, the thing is, if this was the last song

1060
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,039
on the album, I like it.

1061
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: Let's just say it is the last original Megadeth song

1062
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,559
on the standard edition of the album. We know what's coming,

1063
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,079
we know we will get there, we know, but this

1064
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:46,280
is the last Megadeth song.

1065
00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:48,199
Speaker 4: I like it.

1066
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,679
Speaker 3: It is I think, you know, at the very least,

1067
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:52,239
they are trying to make an effort to put a

1068
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,480
full stop in it and kind of like look back

1069
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:57,320
and it's I don't think I still think it's pally

1070
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:58,840
be good. But the very least, it's kind of like

1071
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,880
paint this picture, you know, the weary Gunslinger kind of

1072
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,239
like riding off into the sunset. Megane are allowed to

1073
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,480
paint themselves in that way, must aim again year like

1074
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,000
airing that guy's been through and again fuck with that

1075
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:14,280
guy in so many ways. But the stuff he's created,

1076
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,440
that the hardships he has because he has like as much.

1077
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:18,039
Speaker 2: So I like the guy.

1078
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 3: He has faced hardships more than a lot of like

1079
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,360
metal musicians that we all love have and so like

1080
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,280
I will again tip back to there if he wanted

1081
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,159
to have this like final moment of kind of like

1082
00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:29,480
mythologizing himself as the kind of like the last gun

1083
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:32,360
slinger riding off to the sunset. You know what, again,

1084
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,400
it's cliche, it's a little weary, but it's the one

1085
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,320
that kind of the weary side of it.

1086
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 2: Actually adds to the character of the song.

1087
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 3: And when you get you know, those spoken word bits,

1088
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,960
and he's kind of like trying to put all stop

1089
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,599
and I'm like, you've almost tapped into really poignant here, Dave,

1090
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,679
Like I almost want to give you Creddit for this,

1091
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,960
and then the catastrophe happens afterwards and completely underes anything

1092
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,000
and makes it one of the most insincere kind of

1093
00:51:58,039 --> 00:51:59,880
like why the fuck would you do.

1094
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 2: That moments on the record, like but you know, say

1095
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:02,840
the nice stuff.

1096
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I have been for someone who I don't

1097
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:10,760
feel I don't have any feelings at all really about

1098
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,840
like a lot of this album, Like it just makes me,

1099
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,559
It washes over me. It doesn't really make me feel

1100
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:17,320
a great deal, which is kind of sad considering Megadeth

1101
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,119
when I was, you know, when I was a teenager

1102
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:21,119
discovering metal, I would have told you they're one of

1103
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:22,639
my absolute favorite bands. And I still would say that

1104
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:25,000
one of my favorite bands. But for someone who doesn't

1105
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,400
feel anything about a lot of this album, even with

1106
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:31,320
how it's structured whatever. In you know, the week or

1107
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,920
so since this album I have been, I found myself

1108
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,239
thinking about this song and just you know, remembering it

1109
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:40,960
more than the rest of it. And even musically, I

1110
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,199
think just the chord progressions on it, the riffs are

1111
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,960
a bit more striking than the rest of it. It's

1112
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,800
just not quite as like stock chunky as sort of

1113
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,960
the mid tenpost stuff they do. It has a little

1114
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,440
more just kind of sparkle on the riff, and it

1115
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,639
does have a bit of gravitas about the finality of

1116
00:52:56,679 --> 00:52:58,920
it because it is a mix of like it reasserts

1117
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,159
Dave's character as this brash figure, right yeah, when he's

1118
00:53:02,159 --> 00:53:05,000
like I came, I ruled, Now I disappear, and again,

1119
00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:07,440
like I said earlier, be cocky, right, be arrogant, You're Meganeth,

1120
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:10,880
that's what made you. But also reckoning with that that

1121
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,880
can't go on forever. And the chorus with you know,

1122
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,960
the final curtain calls a quiet end to it all.

1123
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:17,519
Now it's just memories in my mind, considering like our

1124
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:20,000
probable major reason as to why Megadeth are calling it

1125
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:23,280
quits right now is Dave's wrist problems that have made

1126
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,480
it like painful and difficult for him to play. When

1127
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:27,159
he says, you know, each show became a battle than

1128
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:29,440
a fight. It's sure it's a cheesy lyric, but like

1129
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,599
it it's true to him, right, I think it did.

1130
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,639
And it's a guy who like was once in his

1131
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,400
youth the best in his field, like fucking burning up

1132
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:42,320
the world, acknowledging his age and simultaneously being proud of

1133
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,840
his achievements. And I know we're about to talk about

1134
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,880
a bonus track, which for some people might completely downplay

1135
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,039
that experience. It's a shame that we are in an

1136
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:53,880
era where everything is on streaming. Bonus tracks don't have

1137
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,800
a de facto separation anymore. So everyone will have listened

1138
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,639
to this album going straight into the bonus track because

1139
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:02,320
of just the era. Win it's what happens. But I'm

1140
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,639
not going to pretend that that song didn't move me,

1141
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,079
and I'm not going to pretend that even in the

1142
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:08,800
week since hearing the whole album, I haven't continued to

1143
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:11,679
dwell upon that song. In some way. I think it

1144
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,559
is easily my favorite song on this album. And it's

1145
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,320
the thing about this album that, despite everything else, I

1146
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:22,400
will go I value the experience of getting that song.

1147
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's easily the best song on the record anyway,

1148
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,159
but I feel the same. It's almost like that, you know,

1149
00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:30,800
in the late two thousands, whenever it was when Mike

1150
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,119
Tyson had that last fight and he wasn't very good,

1151
00:54:33,159 --> 00:54:35,199
and then he's in that post match interview and he

1152
00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:37,000
goes like, I don't think I should do this anymore.

1153
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:38,239
I haven't got it in me, you know, I haven't

1154
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:39,840
got the fire in me anyway. She's got that used

1155
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,599
to be the baddest man alive. Yeah, and now he's

1156
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:44,039
just sort of older. There is that thing where I,

1157
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:47,239
you know, I think everyone there's certainly people who like

1158
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:48,760
Mega Death more so than the people who don't. Like

1159
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,880
you have a complicated relationship with Dave Mustaine, but he's

1160
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,639
someone who's been there, you know, for all of our

1161
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:55,559
lifetimes playing this music and has crafted some of the

1162
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:57,760
best of it that's meant so much to us that

1163
00:54:58,239 --> 00:54:59,039
there hasn't.

1164
00:54:58,760 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: Ever will be.

1165
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,119
Speaker 4: And you know, it is cornball, that stuff with the

1166
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:05,079
like the sort of western riff at the end of

1167
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:06,760
him doing his poem over it. Like it is cheesy

1168
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,119
and it is self aggrandizing and it is cocky and

1169
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:13,079
all of that, but it's befitting of Megadeth and very Bufiftically.

1170
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:15,119
It was when I heard that acoustic with for the

1171
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:17,760
first time, I was sadly like what Metallica song is

1172
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,840
that I could swear that's something from somewhere, which did

1173
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,639
slightly distract the first one I heard of it. When

1174
00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:24,599
I've gone back to this record, I do find myself

1175
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:28,119
maybe despite myself, I don't know, but when that song

1176
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:30,920
comes in, I do find myself getting a bit yeah,

1177
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,039
like swept up in it and more like more so

1178
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,000
than that any other song on this record by a

1179
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:37,599
country mile.

1180
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. And for everything that can be said about Megadeth's

1181
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,760
up and down to their career, they obviously have albums

1182
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:48,480
that are calamities. I can personally say that Megadeth have

1183
00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:51,239
never released an album that doesn't have at least a

1184
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,400
single song that I enjoy. And Sam, I know you're

1185
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,280
pulling faces like that, That's fine, you're not a Megadeth fan, right.

1186
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,719
There are like individual like three minute songs on Risk

1187
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,639
and Super Collider that I quite like. On Super Collider, yeah, Kingmaker,

1188
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:09,280
the first track is great. I'm not saying they're great albums,

1189
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,639
but lord knows they ain't. I'm just saying they've never

1190
00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:13,639
released an album that does not have a single song

1191
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:15,000
that I can at least go. I like that one.

1192
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,920
And this album I think Tipping Point and you know,

1193
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:20,599
Let the Be Shred are like fine, you know, I

1194
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:24,079
don't care is ironically funny, but the last note I

1195
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:26,320
think is great and I genuinely really like that song,

1196
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,280
and at the very least that pattern, even on their

1197
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,320
worst albums, has continued with the very least that final song.

1198
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,719
If I was taking the totally cynical position, I would

1199
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,920
say the last note gets completely undermined by following up

1200
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,480
with a reminder of the band that he spent his

1201
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:42,920
whole career chasing after. If I was to take the

1202
00:56:43,079 --> 00:56:46,599
slightly more forgiving position, maybe there is some poetry in

1203
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,599
meeting the end as he does on the last note

1204
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:53,119
and then transitioning from that into a almost like a flashback,

1205
00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:55,360
a reminder to where it all started and where the

1206
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,880
legend was built. Look, this was always the part I

1207
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,880
was least interested in in this album, and again I

1208
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,360
was quite disheartened to see on the release for this

1209
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,079
album last Friday, every metal news outlet was running the

1210
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:11,360
headline Megadeth released cover of Ride the Lightning as if

1211
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,519
it's not attached to a whole ass album that is

1212
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:16,440
collectively to serve as the epitaph of one of the

1213
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,280
best bands ever. And like you said right at the start,

1214
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,360
Sam Dave shot himself in the foot by handing people that,

1215
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:26,199
but it's not the most significant bit on the album.

1216
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:27,920
I'm not going to pretend it is. And if people

1217
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,679
just go forward and go yeah, oh yeah. The final

1218
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:32,119
Megadeth album wasn't that Ride the Lightning cover? Shit, There's

1219
00:57:32,119 --> 00:57:34,079
more to it than that. Be more interesting, be more

1220
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:36,760
original in your discussion points. I think Don Lawson in

1221
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,079
the MetalHammer review summed U quite sucinctly by saying it

1222
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:42,039
probably means more to Dave Mustaye than anyone else. I

1223
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:45,159
agree if he finds some sense of closure by you know,

1224
00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:47,480
as he said when it was announced, and we laugh

1225
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:48,960
when it was announced because he thought, what a fucking

1226
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,519
mental thing to do. But he did say it's ah,

1227
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:53,239
I'm closing the circle to where it started out, so

1228
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,519
be it. It's obviously not a great thing to have

1229
00:57:56,559 --> 00:57:57,079
to listen to.

1230
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 3: I this is again I understand where you're coming from,

1231
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,639
but I don't think they deserve the charity for this.

1232
00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:09,039
This is like such a self inflicted, like calamitous move.

1233
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 2: And again, like we there are so many of a bands.

1234
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 3: If they did something this calamatus on the record, we

1235
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,559
would have the knives out and we would be gleefully

1236
00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:19,519
kicking them. And I again, this is from someone who

1237
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:20,880
doesn't have that connection to make it f you do.

1238
00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:23,079
But I do think this is one of those things

1239
00:58:23,079 --> 00:58:27,119
that should because it is terrible get the kicking, And

1240
00:58:27,639 --> 00:58:30,159
that's why I'm kind of like and because it completely

1241
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,320
undermines what should be a pointed ending to the record.

1242
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 2: And I understand your point.

1243
00:58:33,239 --> 00:58:35,719
Speaker 3: Of like the streaming age, the bonus something like that,

1244
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,199
but again, this is a constitution that they know that

1245
00:58:38,199 --> 00:58:41,119
the version of Someone's Gonna Get has rided the lightning

1246
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:43,960
on there. If they decided to, you know, release that

1247
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,880
cover separately or only put it on you know, the

1248
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,599
physical addition like some bands do that they literally ask

1249
00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:51,440
the man too, will only have those mant trucks on

1250
00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:53,559
the physical just you have to go and buy Then

1251
00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:55,119
then I wouldn't hear it because I'm not gonna go

1252
00:58:55,199 --> 00:58:57,719
and buy this makeing f record. So like fine, but

1253
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,119
the fact that they have made the decision to have

1254
00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:03,800
the ambum that's going out to everyone undermine their poignant

1255
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,039
closer with like again those a moment when.

1256
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,199
Speaker 2: It hit I was like, oh yeah, right, the lid no,

1257
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,159
like it was one of the when you first right,

1258
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,960
that opening round like is so good.

1259
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,559
Speaker 3: But then the song that's off the cover and again

1260
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:17,840
the production is terrible. Dave sounds like he's trying to

1261
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,840
pass a shit on the chorus, like it's so painful,

1262
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,360
and I was gonna like, again, I would have been

1263
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,840
much happier if they had ended the record on the

1264
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,239
last note and that'd been that, And I've been like,

1265
00:59:28,239 --> 00:59:32,199
you know what, Megan f go go enjoy your final hurror,

1266
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,440
Go do your world tour, Go celebrate your legsy because

1267
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,679
you did do good shit, even if I like haven't

1268
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,920
liked a long time of it. But the fact they

1269
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,920
ended on this, I was gonna like, I can't not

1270
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:44,119
give you the pass because I wouldn't give other bands

1271
00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:46,400
the past for doing something this shit, and that that's

1272
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,400
just kind of how my hands are tied, Like I

1273
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,519
wouldn't give other bands, I like a pass food for

1274
00:59:51,639 --> 00:59:55,079
ending a record on something this disastrous, So I don't.

1275
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 2: I can't give Meganef the past.

1276
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I do agree. I agree that self inflicted.

1277
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,280
I Also, I'm not trying to say that we shouldn't

1278
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,079
criticize the cover. What I'm saying is is I don't

1279
01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:07,320
think we should make as I have seen again a

1280
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,559
lot of the you know, the conversation out there doing

1281
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:11,800
I don't think we should make this cover. The entire

1282
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,639
conversation of the album is my point. The cover's bad,

1283
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,639
like we all know that. I think instrumentally it's functional, right,

1284
01:00:18,719 --> 01:00:21,840
Like Ride the Lightning is still a great song obviously, Yeah,

1285
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:23,920
and I'm you know, I'm I'm still tapping my foot

1286
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,920
when I listened to it. I think the faster part

1287
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,360
towards the end, the you know that someone helped me,

1288
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:32,800
please go help me part still mostly works. The biggest problem, well,

1289
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,199
the two biggest problems. One is that there is no

1290
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,880
because it's produced the way this album is produced, Ride

1291
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,400
the Lightning is such an evocatively produced album, like for

1292
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:47,280
as the best Metallica album, like conversation for a different day.

1293
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,639
But I just mean sonically, right, there's so much atmosphere

1294
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:51,639
in that production, right, Like it's a thrash metal record,

1295
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:56,239
but there's so much mood and tone in it. Maybe

1296
01:00:56,239 --> 01:00:58,119
this is kind of par for the course of modern

1297
01:00:58,119 --> 01:01:01,880
thrash metal recording versus now, but there's none of that

1298
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,239
in this version obviously, And as we said, the album

1299
01:01:04,239 --> 01:01:06,480
overall does sounding a weird like pre production, so it

1300
01:01:06,519 --> 01:01:11,239
doesn't help. Dave's voice does not fit, particularly the verses.

1301
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,599
I think at all, I don't even know if peque

1302
01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:15,840
Dave Mustain could have made that work because his cadence

1303
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,559
is so different to James Hetfield, right, They're two totally

1304
01:01:18,599 --> 01:01:21,480
different vocalists, and it's kind of unfortunately, Like the worst

1305
01:01:21,519 --> 01:01:23,880
bit of the whole cover for me is the very

1306
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,480
first time he opens his mouth and he is the

1307
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,360
guiltiest charge, like he puts his worst foot forward with it,

1308
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:31,320
and that just kind of carries your, you know, your

1309
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,119
perception over the entire rest of the thing. Again, instrumentally,

1310
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,239
I don't think this is like, you know that what's

1311
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,920
that that insane clown posse version of epic or whatever?

1312
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,000
When you've gone like you've got what have you done

1313
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,239
to this? You know, like this is it's by and large,

1314
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:48,320
it's a safe, predictable, poorly produced redo with a rope

1315
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:48,880
vocal on.

1316
01:01:49,519 --> 01:01:52,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I mean worn on the same page is

1317
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,440
a pretty terrible cover. And to me is what you

1318
01:01:56,519 --> 01:01:58,320
just said there about the production where the production for

1319
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,760
the rest of this record it's not good. But I

1320
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,639
have nothing else to directly compare it to, so I

1321
01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:04,519
just go where it's a modern one. It's a modern

1322
01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:07,079
flash band, an old flash band trying their hand at

1323
01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:09,440
a modern record, and those often don't sound that great.

1324
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,960
But like you say, Ride the Lightning it's always been

1325
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:13,639
my favorite Metallica record. But a huge part of that

1326
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,760
is the sound of it, Like there's an I can't

1327
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,519
think of another Meta record that sounds quite like it.

1328
01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:22,159
It's so like Reverby and Cold. It just it's amazing.

1329
01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:24,440
And the way that, particularly the title track kicks off

1330
01:02:24,679 --> 01:02:28,559
from that, it sounds frightening. And this sounds like when

1331
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:30,559
you go to a cheap karaoke bar and they can't

1332
01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:33,559
afford the licensed backing track. It's like it's an imitation

1333
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,880
sludge version of Ride the Lightning. It's just it's and

1334
01:02:38,039 --> 01:02:40,119
you know, it's I think the other thing about it,

1335
01:02:40,159 --> 01:02:42,159
which is disappointing because I was curious about this before

1336
01:02:42,159 --> 01:02:43,480
it came out, was I thought, is he gonna like

1337
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,679
mechanics it up and we're gonna get some new lyrics.

1338
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,679
Is it gonna be faster? Is it gonna have some

1339
01:02:47,719 --> 01:02:51,360
parts drops? Like who knows? And by covering it so straight,

1340
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,760
he is sort of admitting that Metallica really nailed it

1341
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,599
the first time, which is not the poetic end that

1342
01:02:58,199 --> 01:02:59,920
you know, as much as the last note is the

1343
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:03,480
poet sic end if in the last few moments he

1344
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:05,239
just went, oh, by the way, he's a better version

1345
01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:06,400
of Ride the Lightning is what it should have been.

1346
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,719
It's four minutes long and it's got eight solos by sea.

1347
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:13,320
That would also be like Megadeth to its logical conclusion.

1348
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,719
So as it is, you kind of feel like you

1349
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,760
can't escape it as part of the record, and it's

1350
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:18,440
it's not great.

1351
01:03:18,519 --> 01:03:20,639
Speaker 1: Yeah again, like you were just saying, if it was,

1352
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,960
for example, the mechanics to the original Ride the Lightnings

1353
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,440
for Horsemen, right, and it was noticeably, you know, had

1354
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:31,079
had a very different energy to it, then maybe it

1355
01:03:31,079 --> 01:03:33,039
would have something. But like I said, those days Agne ultimately,

1356
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:36,119
like I said, Megadeth lost their ability to be truly

1357
01:03:36,159 --> 01:03:38,800
great some years ago, and they weren't suddenly going to

1358
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,920
get that back just because it's the final one. You know.

1359
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:43,360
I saw some people were like, it's the final one,

1360
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:44,679
So I thought they might have like pulled the stops

1361
01:03:44,719 --> 01:03:46,840
out of the bag. Right. That's easier said than done,

1362
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,480
isn't it. You know, Like Megadeth are, they're past that point.

1363
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,639
Dave's gone. The lineup they've got on it, even though

1364
01:03:53,719 --> 01:03:55,480
I'm not saying they're bad musicians. Obviously they're not. One

1365
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,039
of them is in fucking Winter Sun, right, But the

1366
01:03:57,119 --> 01:03:59,719
line up together as a unit, they haven't got the

1367
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,440
spy together to make it. So the album's not a

1368
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,960
mental case overall, right. It gives them the opportunity to

1369
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,599
bow out how they want. Most of it is listenable,

1370
01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:13,199
if unexciting, and even if I am going to listen

1371
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:16,639
to it in full, exceedingly little. It probably is like

1372
01:04:17,239 --> 01:04:19,679
right down on that lower rung of Megadeth albums, just

1373
01:04:19,719 --> 01:04:22,679
above the ones where they did actively go mental. They

1374
01:04:22,719 --> 01:04:25,199
had to bow out some way, right, And the little

1375
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,000
moments of reflection that I get on this record there's

1376
01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:31,320
some poignancy in them. I think this is a record

1377
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,039
that I'm both glad to have gotten it for those

1378
01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:37,440
moments and very glad on the strength of it that

1379
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,519
they are finishing and that there isn't more after this.

1380
01:04:40,639 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 4: Yes, it's a bit like going overrom the casino and

1381
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,079
you've got enough of your money left where you don't

1382
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:49,000
feel too bad about it, because if they'd done another record,

1383
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:51,519
it could have been an absolute shiter. That's always on

1384
01:04:51,559 --> 01:04:54,039
the cards with Megadeth, and the likelihood you got off

1385
01:04:54,039 --> 01:04:55,960
to play one more round of Roulette. It's going to

1386
01:04:56,079 --> 01:04:58,039
land on thirty six, and I'm going to go home

1387
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:00,400
a millionaire. It's like, yeah, but almost certainly not. So

1388
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,119
let's just we'll cash our chips now.

1389
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: And we could have been in the timeline where they

1390
01:05:04,039 --> 01:05:05,800
stopped before giving us. I don't care. So I think

1391
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:06,840
we ultimately looked out.

1392
01:05:07,519 --> 01:05:10,599
Speaker 4: I think really best of both worlds, frankly, and I

1393
01:05:10,639 --> 01:05:12,400
think again, like, comparing to their other records, you are right,

1394
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:16,519
like Risk Super Collider, those are maybe they're more memorable

1395
01:05:16,519 --> 01:05:20,320
with their worst records, there's more shit on them. This

1396
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,119
is more low level. I don't know that the fucking

1397
01:05:22,239 --> 01:05:25,119
world needs a hero stuff like that. It's like just

1398
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,679
the kind of fine to bad Megadeth records rather than

1399
01:05:28,719 --> 01:05:31,800
the terrible ones. And I don't know, but maybe this

1400
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:33,800
is me, but it's because I like them so much.

1401
01:05:34,519 --> 01:05:37,280
I think they've done an okay job, Like the album's

1402
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,440
not okay, but considering my expectations at Megadeath in twenty

1403
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,440
twenty six, it's like, all right, you know, stop the clock,

1404
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,199
We're done now, there's no more time to ruin it.

1405
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, when they do the farewell tour over here, right,

1406
01:05:48,639 --> 01:05:50,840
I will go and I will sing my ever loving

1407
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,519
heart out too. Yes, all of those incredible vocal melodies

1408
01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:56,400
that Dave Staid has written, he has, they're all there,

1409
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,599
They're on the fucking records, and I'll probably be very

1410
01:05:59,639 --> 01:06:02,320
emotional about the affair. The overall history of Megadeth, this

1411
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,719
album is subpar, there's no denying it. But also, what

1412
01:06:05,719 --> 01:06:07,559
can you do really, I think you take what means

1413
01:06:07,559 --> 01:06:10,159
something to you when you get it as you get it.

1414
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,599
So that's the final album from Megadeth, self titled As

1415
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:16,880
It Happened. Our other big release for January, we start

1416
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,159
off the year with a fresh Juggernaut double because we

1417
01:06:19,159 --> 01:06:23,079
also have Creator with Crushes of the World with a

1418
01:06:23,159 --> 01:06:25,559
K of course, what a different state of play we

1419
01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:29,679
have for Creator than Megadeth, because Creator are the Golden

1420
01:06:29,719 --> 01:06:32,320
age thrash band who are in the last decade as

1421
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,800
big as they've ever been and have had the trajectory

1422
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:39,559
of you know, being violent, cutting edge of the extreme

1423
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,480
thrash in the eighties to kind of forgotten about by

1424
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,119
the zeitgeist in the nineties as most thrash bands not

1425
01:06:46,159 --> 01:06:49,559
of Metallica size were too in the present day, being

1426
01:06:49,679 --> 01:06:53,920
a touring and festival headlining Behemoth on a scale much

1427
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,360
more comparable to the likes of A One A Moth

1428
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,480
or Sabaton or what have you, and their return to form.

1429
01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:02,239
Era always like to remind people comes earlier than a

1430
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,320
lot of their generation. Violent Revolution in two thousand and

1431
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,440
one marks the beginning of what you would call modern Creator.

1432
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,679
I'm gonna say there's probably a couple people listening who

1433
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,159
weren't born in two thousand and one, so that is

1434
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,400
twenty five years now that this chapter has been going.

1435
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,079
I don't think I need to cite how many bands

1436
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,920
entire careers of all of their ups and downs, right

1437
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,960
like the entire Bull if my Valentine catalog exists in

1438
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,800
that time. Creator just the daddies, aren't they.

1439
01:07:30,159 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 3: Creator have been amazing for almost as long as Megadeth

1440
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:33,639
have been shited.

1441
01:07:35,239 --> 01:07:38,079
Speaker 1: Sorry, had to give one more jab in the late

1442
01:07:38,159 --> 01:07:41,400
naughties when both of these bands were good. What Halcyon Days? Yeah,

1443
01:07:41,639 --> 01:07:43,960
and I say this, I am about to say this

1444
01:07:44,159 --> 01:07:47,199
is by far my personal least favorite Creator album in

1445
01:07:47,239 --> 01:07:51,440
that twenty five year period. They're so consistent. One has

1446
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,039
got at least dip like a point below the other

1447
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:57,599
one sometime. But there was something so pleasing lighting up

1448
01:07:57,599 --> 01:07:59,719
the release schedule for this year and seeing right there,

1449
01:07:59,719 --> 01:08:01,760
along side the new Megadeth we would also have the

1450
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,280
Creator because I knew, okay, people are gonna be disenchanted

1451
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,480
with the Megadeth one. These are the reliables. Though it's

1452
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:09,400
hard not to be pleased with a new Creator album.

1453
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,039
Speaker 3: You said that, I was like, that's hard, Like, maybe

1454
01:08:12,039 --> 01:08:14,159
it does have to just because of the strength of

1455
01:08:14,199 --> 01:08:15,840
those other Creator albums.

1456
01:08:16,079 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 1: That's not a damning thing to say, is it.

1457
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, like iving this album is still great.

1458
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:22,039
Speaker 3: I think like particularly the first sort of like six

1459
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:25,159
or so songs on this album are like up there

1460
01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:26,920
battling with the best stuff on the last couple of

1461
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,239
Creative albums. And maybe the back half is where this

1462
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:31,439
album does dip down slightly.

1463
01:08:32,039 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean that that is just kind of

1464
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:33,720
that that.

1465
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 3: Is less a damning sort of stem on this record

1466
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:40,039
and more just that's how good Creator have been for

1467
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:40,800
so long now.

1468
01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, They're catalog in the twenty first century

1469
01:08:45,119 --> 01:08:46,920
is just maddening, and I feel like depending on when

1470
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,039
you come in, people are gonna have different favorites. Like

1471
01:08:49,119 --> 01:08:51,840
my two Creative records, a choice in this period are

1472
01:08:52,199 --> 01:08:54,760
Phantom Anti Christ is my favorite, and then God's Violence

1473
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,640
right after it. I just absolutely love those records.

1474
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:01,159
Speaker 1: And or Chaos for Me of Chaos for me as well.

1475
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 4: Yes, I love.

1476
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,600
Speaker 1: Phantom Antichrist, I really do. I love God's Violence as well.

1477
01:09:06,039 --> 01:09:07,840
But if I was picked one, I mean, fucking violent

1478
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:08,800
Revolution has.

1479
01:09:09,079 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 4: The violent resolution is right out there the.

1480
01:09:11,159 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: Greatest hits of just twenty first century creator.

1481
01:09:15,039 --> 01:09:18,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's honestly that of the probably the only classic

1482
01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:20,800
thrashmhen This is true of almost sersaing where if you

1483
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:22,800
went to go see them and they only played twenty

1484
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,560
first century stuff, you still have an absolutely great night.

1485
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,279
And I hate tuber alas. I know some people who

1486
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:31,079
weren't that keen on that record for whatever reason, And

1487
01:09:31,239 --> 01:09:34,279
I don't know if some people maybe who listen to more,

1488
01:09:35,039 --> 01:09:37,800
you know, typical mainstream metal, they didn't care for Arthur

1489
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,600
Hysic's production job, or weren't sure about how the melodic

1490
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,760
mouse that record or whatever. I love those qualities about it.

1491
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:45,880
I thought they were really interesting. This album to me

1492
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:50,359
reads like a bit of the It's kind of on

1493
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:52,840
one hand, it's crazy as you come to expect them to.

1494
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,000
My is it sounds a bit more melodic then you

1495
01:09:56,159 --> 01:09:58,760
typically expect from them, but maybe return into that more

1496
01:09:59,119 --> 01:10:02,119
crisp can of cool well oil production job that you

1497
01:10:02,199 --> 01:10:04,560
expect some things like like Fantom Anti Christ and God's

1498
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,800
Violence or you know, the Saytan's Real single and things

1499
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,920
like that. And maybe maybe similar to your point, maybe

1500
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,039
that's why of the twenty first century stuff for me

1501
01:10:13,079 --> 01:10:17,439
at ranks certainly on the lower end, but because it

1502
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,520
doesn't have such a strong flavor in that sense. But

1503
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,560
even then I look at the track list and it's like,

1504
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,279
next time I see Creator, there's a bunch of songs

1505
01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:26,960
I want to see.

1506
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, because obviously that period insanely commendable in terms of consistency.

1507
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,960
I do think the flip side is there's something of

1508
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,920
a formula for Creator and their modern sound as born

1509
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,720
on Via Revolution. Is they take Scandinavian style kind of

1510
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,960
melow death heavy metal harmonies as introduced with the guitarist

1511
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,079
who joined on that record, Sammy, meld that with the

1512
01:10:49,119 --> 01:10:51,960
old school German thrash aggression, and then you pump out

1513
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,119
these massive, fist pumping euro festival metal choruses as well.

1514
01:10:55,199 --> 01:10:58,079
They do that exceptionally, they've not had big lineup changes

1515
01:10:58,079 --> 01:10:59,920
in that time. There is only the one basis change

1516
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:02,439
that whole period. So they are a very well oiled machine.

1517
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,239
They know each other, they know what they bring to

1518
01:11:04,279 --> 01:11:07,279
the table. For me, the magic that Creator could produce

1519
01:11:07,319 --> 01:11:10,319
them on an era comes when that template really meets

1520
01:11:10,319 --> 01:11:14,399
some genuine like vitriolic anger and purpose which has always

1521
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:17,199
separated them from some people. Again, maybe if you're a

1522
01:11:17,239 --> 01:11:18,760
really old Quit fan and you only like pleasure to

1523
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:19,920
kill and that kind of stuff, and you look at

1524
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,680
them now and they're very shiny and very slick and

1525
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:23,880
again very eurometal, you go, oh, it's just like those

1526
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:25,520
bands I don't like, like Archenemy or I want a

1527
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,720
Marth or whatever again who to very degrees, I love

1528
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,800
those bands, but they are proud accused sometimes of kind

1529
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,600
of you know, putting out safe records just to play

1530
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:36,239
those same festival metal crowds. Creator plays similar songs, but

1531
01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:39,319
they spit them at you. And once again, bunch of

1532
01:11:39,399 --> 01:11:41,920
bangers on this when they really land that that mold

1533
01:11:42,359 --> 01:11:46,359
open a seven Serpents that really sparkles like it's fast,

1534
01:11:46,399 --> 01:11:49,840
but it's got this mad effervescent in the note choices

1535
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:51,520
in the riff that are just like dazzling when those

1536
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,079
guitars coming out of you. Chorus wise, the next one

1537
01:11:54,079 --> 01:11:57,199
really hits you. Because Satanic anarchy. That's the winner in

1538
01:11:57,279 --> 01:12:00,680
terms the tradition of Satan is real to anti Christ,

1539
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,359
hotter chaos, like your modern day Creator bangers that are

1540
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,199
fast and heavy. The main riff I almost thought that

1541
01:12:06,199 --> 01:12:07,720
could be, like, you know, for the younger demographic, that

1542
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:09,920
could be a couple of alevelence riff or something. But

1543
01:12:10,039 --> 01:12:12,960
then but then on the chorus when Mick, when Miller

1544
01:12:13,079 --> 01:12:16,359
is like, you know, he says something really rousing and stirring,

1545
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:20,239
but against like a really epic melody, and the rise

1546
01:12:20,319 --> 01:12:25,520
up confront create a new reality absolutely bangs.

1547
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 2: So that's things.

1548
01:12:27,039 --> 01:12:29,560
Speaker 3: My favorite Creator song is Rotten, where they suddenly become

1549
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,840
a punk band in these kind of epic heavy metal sense.

1550
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,560
And that's again, firstly, how has it taken until twenty

1551
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:41,399
twenty six for Creator to call a song Satanic anarchy?

1552
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,800
But that is by far like my favorite song on

1553
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:47,239
the record because it is just like it's fired up,

1554
01:12:47,279 --> 01:12:51,520
it is mean, and it is like bruising the start

1555
01:12:51,079 --> 01:12:53,960
that bit, and then again that chorus hits and it

1556
01:12:54,119 --> 01:12:56,680
is rousing and it is kind of like a big like

1557
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:58,279
it feels like a big rousing, kind of like fish

1558
01:12:58,319 --> 01:13:00,600
in the Air punk song, which again they've done quite

1559
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,920
a lot, and it's so cool that they can do

1560
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,279
that while still having this epic heavy metal sensibility. The

1561
01:13:05,319 --> 01:13:08,600
sort of opening one on this album basically serves every

1562
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:09,960
kind of Creator.

1563
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 2: Song I want.

1564
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:14,319
Speaker 3: It does because Seven Serpents is your epic kind of

1565
01:13:14,319 --> 01:13:16,880
like dramatic, is even got you know, the symphonic touches.

1566
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:20,479
There's incredible melody in that riffing that adds a magical

1567
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:24,239
sparkle to it. Satanic Kanarcky fucking just goes. It's hard,

1568
01:13:24,279 --> 01:13:26,640
it's violent, and then you get Crushes of the World,

1569
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:31,319
which is the festival crowd bouncing, just fist pumping mid

1570
01:13:31,359 --> 01:13:32,039
temper again.

1571
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 2: You know, it's the satan Is reel.

1572
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:35,319
Speaker 3: It's that kind of It's one of those on this

1573
01:13:35,359 --> 01:13:38,119
album where it's like designed to just make you pump

1574
01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:38,680
your fist in.

1575
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 2: The air sing along. It is chunky, it's stirring.

1576
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 3: It is not anything new for Creator, and I think

1577
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,479
you know, at this stage, maybe expecting new things from

1578
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,439
Creator is like you're going in a bit fullish if

1579
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:52,760
you're expecting them to completely reinvent the world and change

1580
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:54,920
things up. But if they're still dropping these kind of

1581
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:59,479
like Creator staples at this level up to like Barbarians,

1582
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,720
that is just hitting everything I want from Creator.

1583
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 4: But I think also what I like about it is

1584
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,399
that's all that stuffs absolutely true, that uro metal vacking, festival,

1585
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,079
fist in the air, whole crowd bouncing, it's sticking all

1586
01:14:11,119 --> 01:14:12,439
those boxes. But one of the things that I like

1587
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:15,279
about Creator which marks them out from you know, bands

1588
01:14:15,359 --> 01:14:17,479
like I think Arch Enemy or Amon a Math or

1589
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,039
a Saber Song, where maybe that criticism that their music

1590
01:14:20,199 --> 01:14:23,479
is safer now doesn't exactly lamb for me. Maybe it

1591
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:25,680
sounds safer than say, Pleasure to Kill It in the

1592
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,479
mid eighties, but it's hard to imagine anything sounding more

1593
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,640
frightening than that back then. But they've always managed to

1594
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:36,960
maintain enough of that wilder bandon that makes those records

1595
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,279
so hair raising, like Barbarian, which again super catchy song

1596
01:14:41,319 --> 01:14:44,840
and when it slams in, it's a super satisfying groove.

1597
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:48,399
But the way Vental is like just he's just on

1598
01:14:48,399 --> 01:14:50,239
one on that song where he's just throwing in double

1599
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,039
double bass flourishes all over it. Which adds so much

1600
01:14:53,119 --> 01:14:55,960
frantic energy in a way that like, you know, you

1601
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,159
listen to something like the Blister Exists by Slipknot and

1602
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:01,399
it's like, that's a very ca actually fest with ready

1603
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,239
metal song. But because Joey Jordison is losing his mind

1604
01:15:04,399 --> 01:15:06,600
on the drum kit, it just sounds madic that he

1605
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,720
adds that kind of energy to their music, which you know,

1606
01:15:11,159 --> 01:15:13,159
if you are like a pop producer, you got that's

1607
01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:15,359
in essential. That's CLASSICALO the mix. But you know, to

1608
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:19,600
someone who's if you love classic thrash, that's the flavor

1609
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:20,239
you still want.

1610
01:15:21,079 --> 01:15:23,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, as you're saying, you know, title track track three

1611
01:15:23,399 --> 01:15:25,159
on it hits you with that very like it again.

1612
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,880
It's the groove single. We've skipped over the fourth track,

1613
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,920
which is called Trananna Plast perhaps, which is where they

1614
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:37,000
go literal goblin mode because when I don't know again,

1615
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:38,319
this is one of thing about if you know it,

1616
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:40,920
you will immediately hear it. Go hang on, what if

1617
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:42,720
you don't. If you don't know, it just goes Oh.

1618
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:45,680
That's a kind of a strange, slightly different, more haunted melody.

1619
01:15:46,199 --> 01:15:51,199
Trannon Plast is a reworking of the Goblin theme for

1620
01:15:51,279 --> 01:15:57,560
the Dario Argento movie Suspiria transposed into Yeah, that's why

1621
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:59,520
you know it, That's why you recognize it. It's the

1622
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:09,760
Goblin transposed onto like a tremolo metal riff, which was

1623
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,279
and that's why the choruses oft going Suspiri are right.

1624
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:18,039
It's not subtle, it's not hidden like it's it's a

1625
01:16:18,039 --> 01:16:21,239
Suspirior Creator song for some reason. It's also got a

1626
01:16:21,279 --> 01:16:24,279
guest vocalist on it. Apparently she's like an extreme metal

1627
01:16:24,359 --> 01:16:26,479
vocal coach that I presume that Miller has worked with.

1628
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:30,119
I genuinely found it quite strange hearing another voice on it,

1629
01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:32,640
because I'm so used to just hearing like, you know,

1630
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,119
Miller's very particular tone on Creator records. Hearing like a

1631
01:16:36,359 --> 01:16:38,159
more sort of harsher death metally voice was a bit

1632
01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:41,680
like what's this going to s and the chorus and

1633
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,520
having what does sound pretty great on like an almost

1634
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:49,279
black metaly tremlo guitar version of it, fun song, an

1635
01:16:49,319 --> 01:16:53,000
incredible Miller on the bridge. I swear on this record,

1636
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:56,840
Miller he goes overkill on like the ah, he does

1637
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,720
this thing. It's very particular him where he tails off.

1638
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:01,560
He'd he delivers words and at the end of the

1639
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,600
word he moves into like the more old school miller

1640
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,479
growl to he'll go ah. He does it so much

1641
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:11,840
on this record, it's like every other fucking line, but

1642
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,920
it's just, you know, it's quirks to him character. I

1643
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,640
think this album does stack itself. I think you can

1644
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:21,319
see for a fact the first four tracks are all

1645
01:17:21,359 --> 01:17:23,960
the singles, right, and they've made that choice. They've gone

1646
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,359
those are the ones that are gonna win at the festivals,

1647
01:17:26,399 --> 01:17:29,000
you know. And the album as it goes on I

1648
01:17:29,039 --> 01:17:32,119
find to be it's more openly displaying of the formula

1649
01:17:32,199 --> 01:17:35,640
I suppose hate luberellas. I agree Elliott. I don't know

1650
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,159
why anyone would not love that album. For me, it's

1651
01:17:38,199 --> 01:17:40,479
very consistent. Some of the album tracks on it, like

1652
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,039
Demonic Future when he's like screaming about punching a Nazi

1653
01:17:43,079 --> 01:17:44,680
in the face or whatever, are like the most fired

1654
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,119
up on it. And there's also a good variety in that.

1655
01:17:47,359 --> 01:17:49,239
But where you have they have the sort of the

1656
01:17:49,239 --> 01:17:51,199
mid pace anthem like Strongest of the Strong. You have

1657
01:17:51,199 --> 01:17:53,479
a more sort of nostalgic heavy metal feel on Become

1658
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:57,319
the Mortal, The closer Dying Planet was this like really oppressive,

1659
01:17:57,680 --> 01:17:59,880
doomy kind of song about the climate catastrophe. That so

1660
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:03,039
it maintains the quality and keeps it fresh past the

1661
01:18:03,079 --> 01:18:05,880
first four songs of this, which are those singles which

1662
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:09,159
offer you, as you were saying, Sam, very different like

1663
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:11,720
modes of what like a Creator single is gonna be

1664
01:18:12,279 --> 01:18:15,039
up to this really weird left turn in the Suspiria song.

1665
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,399
It's a little more copy and paste in the second half.

1666
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,119
That doesn't mean I don't like it, because the energy

1667
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:24,239
is kept up the whole way and certainly compareson to

1668
01:18:24,279 --> 01:18:25,960
like the previous album we've just reviewed, Right, that's the

1669
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,880
thing to reassert it. This album hits hard and fast

1670
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,479
all the way. I like going Barbarian Barbarian. I like

1671
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,520
the death scream. I like hearing about whatever a psychotic

1672
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,960
Imperator is. You know, like they're fun songs. They just

1673
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,319
do feel a little more like, yeah, you know, these

1674
01:18:41,319 --> 01:18:43,640
are Creator songs that we've already heard over the last

1675
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,840
twenty five years. This is the first Creator riff. This

1676
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:48,880
is the part where your chant along got it. It's

1677
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,079
kind of seme you as an album. Then the last

1678
01:18:51,119 --> 01:18:52,239
couple have been I.

1679
01:18:52,159 --> 01:18:53,520
Speaker 3: Mean I mean that is I think that's fair. I

1680
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,319
think I would just include Barbarian in that run of

1681
01:18:55,359 --> 01:18:58,239
like killer tracks. That is what the most like ridiculous

1682
01:18:58,399 --> 01:19:01,119
mosh part breakdown from in there as well, which is

1683
01:19:01,159 --> 01:19:03,000
like again I was like, go on, creer, I may

1684
01:19:03,119 --> 01:19:05,840
want to throw fiss like and that. Like ever think

1685
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:07,840
it's like blood of our Blood and combatants and maybe

1686
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:09,479
like the two are kind of like, yeah, these these

1687
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:13,319
are the close you get to disposable songs, but they

1688
01:19:13,319 --> 01:19:14,960
are so at it. Combats has that kind of like

1689
01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:17,279
heavy metal gallop, which again just kind of offers a

1690
01:19:17,279 --> 01:19:19,760
bit of a change. I think the psychotic imperature, like

1691
01:19:20,039 --> 01:19:22,560
that's really cool. There's like nice heavy melon medoy. There's

1692
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:26,079
a really violently unhinged riff on that record All to

1693
01:19:26,119 --> 01:19:28,079
the Grave, which is again that that is a copy

1694
01:19:28,079 --> 01:19:29,680
bas song because it is again just doing crushes of

1695
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,479
the world kind of like fist pumping, rousing, heavy melt

1696
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,199
bang again where you're just shouting one phrase.

1697
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,319
Speaker 2: Over and over again for the chorus. But it's big.

1698
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:40,359
It's a fun way to close out the record.

1699
01:19:40,399 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 3: And I'm like, even if again this does become copy

1700
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,840
pasts beyond the first sort of five songs, it's still

1701
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:45,960
you know, it's what ten tracks.

1702
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,359
Speaker 2: It doesn't outstairs Welcome.

1703
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:51,119
Speaker 3: The energy never dips, it doesn't ever sound tired or

1704
01:19:51,159 --> 01:19:54,399
like lifeless. I think, like I say, Turning Past, like

1705
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:55,800
when that came in and I was like, is that

1706
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:57,479
the spear thing? And then when he said sings on

1707
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:59,640
the course like yeah, and to you you still do

1708
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,920
get cool surprises like that. It just I think it's

1709
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,439
just such a fun album to listen to, where because

1710
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,039
of the band's energy, because Miller just had like such

1711
01:20:08,039 --> 01:20:11,119
an unhinged lunatic of a vocalist even at this stage

1712
01:20:11,119 --> 01:20:12,920
of their career, and the fact he still sounds like

1713
01:20:13,319 --> 01:20:13,800
a madman.

1714
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,039
Speaker 2: And every time I f I'm just at live shang.

1715
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 3: Kill like and you still get that of course one

1716
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:21,880
of these songs. I just have the best time listening

1717
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,840
to this, even if it is maybe not as kind

1718
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:29,319
of like consistently like insanely good as the last two

1719
01:20:29,399 --> 01:20:29,960
records were.

1720
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, there's nothing revolutionary about this record

1721
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,279
in the sense where if someone has heard creator and

1722
01:20:36,279 --> 01:20:37,920
didn't like it, you wouldn't go, well, you've got to

1723
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,600
try Crushes of the World, because that's going to be

1724
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:42,680
the one that gets And if someone was getting into

1725
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:45,159
Creates and say, you know, which album should I buy?

1726
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:49,079
This wouldn't be in the first half dozen or more

1727
01:20:49,119 --> 01:20:50,760
than that that you'd say, like you must get those,

1728
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:52,159
you know, right away. But it's like if you are

1729
01:20:52,159 --> 01:20:57,079
a Creative fan and you should be, I maybe you're

1730
01:20:57,079 --> 01:20:58,960
saying like there's there's dips in the record, like I

1731
01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:02,600
can see that, there's only obvious highs. It's definitely front

1732
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,840
low that I can see that. But I'm still having

1733
01:21:05,159 --> 01:21:06,960
a good enough time in the second half where it

1734
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:08,760
doesn't feel like, Okay, I've had the first four songs,

1735
01:21:09,039 --> 01:21:11,079
I'll put something else on now, it's like I'm leaving

1736
01:21:11,079 --> 01:21:13,520
it playing if I'm putting this record on. And the

1737
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,800
fact that Creator one of the only maybe the only

1738
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:20,239
classic thrashband of that time operating at that sort of

1739
01:21:21,039 --> 01:21:23,319
at that standard where they're putting out an album where

1740
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:25,840
because it's only really by the chances that Megan have

1741
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:27,640
to putt out the last album, that we're even comparing

1742
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,239
the two, Like ordinarily Creator put out a new album

1743
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:34,079
and you're comparing them to you know, Warbrigger or have

1744
01:21:34,199 --> 01:21:37,159
Acre like with the other like younger thrashbands and they're

1745
01:21:37,199 --> 01:21:40,399
going toe to toe with any of them. It's it's it.

1746
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,359
They're still They've still got the They've still got the mustard.

1747
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. Here's the energy of it. Like

1748
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,000
the closing stretch on this, it's not as distinct and

1749
01:21:48,079 --> 01:21:50,439
memorable as God's a Violets, Right when you look at

1750
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:52,520
like tracks nine and ten on Gods of Violets and

1751
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,359
you're like fallen brother and side by side and stuff,

1752
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:57,199
is like, how are these songs still this good? Like

1753
01:21:57,239 --> 01:22:00,119
this deep in the closes, are on this low to

1754
01:22:00,199 --> 01:22:02,720
the grave. I like, I suppose they have a bit

1755
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,279
of the orchestral touch on this record. Maybe that's its thing.

1756
01:22:05,319 --> 01:22:07,199
It's there in Seven Serpents at the start, and then

1757
01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:09,840
it comes back around again for the end, big you know,

1758
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,000
lovely stirring, heavy metal guitar melody throughout basically the whole thing.

1759
01:22:14,119 --> 01:22:17,079
They're twenty five years into the just the streak of

1760
01:22:17,119 --> 01:22:19,840
their modern golden age, right, that's more than half of

1761
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,560
their career total at this stage. If this is the

1762
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:24,920
first one where I've gone this maybe feels like a

1763
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:26,840
January album rather than one I'm still going to be

1764
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,560
talking about come December. It's still bloody great going it

1765
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,479
like it's my second favorite album of this month, and

1766
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:36,079
it's still obviously very recommended creator crushers of the world.

1767
01:22:36,279 --> 01:22:39,359
We keep it metal as we move into our third review,

1768
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:43,239
which comes from Urn and their third album, which is

1769
01:22:43,279 --> 01:22:47,399
called Setting Fire to the Sky, one of the UK's

1770
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,560
most I don't know, maybe centrally positioned dependent on where

1771
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,359
you're looking at it. Metal bands of the twenty twenties

1772
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,600
Surpent and Spirit in twenty twenty one really quite hype

1773
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,439
debut with a lot of promise on Show a Feast

1774
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,399
on Sorrow. In twenty twenty three, even more praise lashed

1775
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:04,760
upon it. They were doing mad things on that, like

1776
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,880
going and working with Joe Deplantier as their producer. Here

1777
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,319
they've got a Troy Sanders guest vocal like Earn. They

1778
01:23:10,359 --> 01:23:13,079
seem like they are somewhat you know, they're being noticed by,

1779
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,239
you know, some of the the higher ups in this world,

1780
01:23:16,279 --> 01:23:20,640
I suppose, And if you are maybe a slightly aging

1781
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:22,439
UK metal fan at this stage, I would say you

1782
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:24,720
may remember that this band kind of emerged out of

1783
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:28,119
the aftermath of several bands from the naughties and twenty

1784
01:23:28,119 --> 01:23:32,279
ten's metal scenes here, including Malathie and Hang the Bastard

1785
01:23:32,279 --> 01:23:36,600
and Anterior and Ern feel like by far the most

1786
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,199
any of those bands have achieved, any of that kind

1787
01:23:39,279 --> 01:23:42,359
of quite beloved darling status. Is that fair?

1788
01:23:43,079 --> 01:23:43,680
Speaker 2: I think so? Yeah?

1789
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:45,119
Speaker 3: I think like again I do one of it's them

1790
01:23:45,159 --> 01:23:47,359
coming from you know, bands who were very kind of

1791
01:23:47,359 --> 01:23:49,880
like like be in a very cult way and in

1792
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:51,439
them kind of coming together Earn.

1793
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,199
Speaker 2: They still feel like a bit of a UK underground bander.

1794
01:23:54,239 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 3: They're not the biggest thing, but they are real darlings

1795
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:01,119
of that kind of like ukmet scene where like I

1796
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,560
very rarely see people kind of like saying bad things

1797
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:05,760
about I think a lot of but there's a lot

1798
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:07,560
of good will towards them, and I think it's everyone

1799
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,079
so glad to see them getting the attention of, as

1800
01:24:10,119 --> 01:24:12,479
you say, Jodi plantieratoy standers like those sort of names

1801
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:15,479
of taking attention to this sort of little UK.

1802
01:24:15,359 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 2: Band of like well liked hard working musicians.

1803
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:21,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that you will have probably you know,

1804
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:22,920
speed to see the likes of Hanging the Basket or

1805
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:24,880
whatever in their day. Are you do you like Earn?

1806
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:25,239
You're a fan?

1807
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:29,239
Speaker 2: Yes, I am a fan of Hern. I do very much.

1808
01:24:29,279 --> 01:24:30,359
I like the last two albums.

1809
01:24:30,399 --> 01:24:32,039
Speaker 3: I think the second one in particular was like a

1810
01:24:32,119 --> 01:24:34,960
really interesting kind of pivot for them in that kind

1811
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:38,159
of like more emotionally raw, kind of like take on

1812
01:24:38,199 --> 01:24:41,199
the kind of like big just kind of like progressive

1813
01:24:41,239 --> 01:24:41,960
leaning metal.

1814
01:24:42,239 --> 01:24:44,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, what you were saying about them kind of still

1815
01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:46,880
feeling quite underground in some ways is what I was

1816
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:48,199
thinking about with this, because I was like, Okay, this

1817
01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:49,920
is the third album. Now, they've been around for a

1818
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:52,520
little minute now, and they are very well, you know,

1819
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,039
very well reviewed. People seem to really like their albums.

1820
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,479
I was wondering, is there something of a middle valley.

1821
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,119
I suppose that Ern have maybe found themselves in where

1822
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,079
the most recent time that I saw Earn was opening

1823
01:25:04,119 --> 01:25:07,760
for the Orange Goblin Farewell run last month, and Ern

1824
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:10,039
are kind of in a position where their albums always

1825
01:25:10,039 --> 01:25:12,840
get like glowing praise right for a magazine, like a

1826
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,479
good chunk of our listenership, Like people really love the albums,

1827
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:20,520
but they're not actually like a really like crossover big

1828
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,680
band from the world of metal at this stage. And

1829
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:25,000
I feel like their first two albums, there's been a

1830
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:26,600
lot of this kind of anointing of them with all

1831
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,920
of these things as if people were, you know, expecting

1832
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:31,920
them to blow up. There's always that thing, right there.

1833
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,119
Can name many of the bands from the last ten

1834
01:25:34,199 --> 01:25:36,079
years in the UK particularly you look at the thats

1835
01:25:36,199 --> 01:25:38,479
I know, like Conjura or whatever, like bands who people

1836
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,680
throw everything in on early and go like this is

1837
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:42,560
going to be one of the definitive metal bands this generation.

1838
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,600
And I'm not saying these are, you know, not good bands.

1839
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:47,119
Obviously that's not the case. We love a lot of

1840
01:25:47,159 --> 01:25:49,119
these bands. I'm just saying that in terms of like

1841
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:52,840
their their their crossover potential, it's not actually happened. And

1842
01:25:53,279 --> 01:25:56,119
I'm not pinning that on Earn themselves because Earn are

1843
01:25:56,199 --> 01:26:00,439
a very like, just hard working, unpretentious band who I'm

1844
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:02,239
making the art they want to make, right, and they

1845
01:26:02,239 --> 01:26:05,119
seem very honest about it, and they're not really much

1846
01:26:05,119 --> 01:26:08,159
in common with the metal zeitgeist, right, and I respect

1847
01:26:08,199 --> 01:26:10,720
the fuck out of that. And I've also I've kind

1848
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:12,800
of realized that I personally I like the idea of

1849
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:15,079
Earn more than I actually love their music, because I

1850
01:26:15,079 --> 01:26:17,279
listen to their records and they are a sort of

1851
01:26:17,319 --> 01:26:19,039
split between all these things that I love, where they're

1852
01:26:19,119 --> 01:26:22,119
kind of they're like a sludgy post metally band at times.

1853
01:26:22,399 --> 01:26:24,840
Sometimes they're like a thrash band, but with these more progressive,

1854
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,880
like machine heady kind of structures. They have the kind

1855
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:32,319
of modern progressive but just very crunching mainstage metal feel

1856
01:26:32,359 --> 01:26:34,119
of you know, be a good year or a mastard on.

1857
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:36,520
But I don't really find myself returning to their albums,

1858
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,720
and maybe it's that they are leaning more into with

1859
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:43,520
these like expansive emotional songs, which again their last album

1860
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:46,399
really dealt with a lot of those, But texturally they're

1861
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,439
produced so much like a crunchy modern metal band, I

1862
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,359
don't find myself like swimming in the atmosphere so much.

1863
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:54,439
And on the flip side, while they absolutely they can

1864
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:56,359
knock out a rift right they've got plenty of riffs,

1865
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,960
their elaborate approach to arrangements, I don't think it's produced

1866
01:27:00,039 --> 01:27:02,800
any anthems, you know. And I'm looking at their position

1867
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,159
in that sort of middle audience split like I was saying,

1868
01:27:05,159 --> 01:27:07,840
and I think they're a band who are good at

1869
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,760
a many number of things, but at least for me,

1870
01:27:11,199 --> 01:27:15,359
they haven't completely transcended into nailing the mixture of elements

1871
01:27:15,359 --> 01:27:18,359
that they're going for, which would make them undeniable to

1872
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:20,600
a mass amount of people in the way that all

1873
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,239
those inspiration points I'm mentioning are you go what I'm saying.

1874
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:26,079
Speaker 2: I do what you're saying. I'm definitely kind of more

1875
01:27:26,079 --> 01:27:27,039
interest than I think you are.

1876
01:27:27,319 --> 01:27:29,199
Speaker 3: But I do agree because I think the appointment is

1877
01:27:29,239 --> 01:27:32,479
like they're so unconcerned with the kind of like mainstream

1878
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:34,119
melt zeitgeist and this sort of some because they are

1879
01:27:34,119 --> 01:27:35,960
cleagues doing what they want to do. There you can

1880
01:27:36,039 --> 01:27:38,000
hear all of their interests, you know where it is

1881
01:27:38,079 --> 01:27:41,520
again post metal, there is no like occasional bits where

1882
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,520
you can say, well, like I've seen we there's bits

1883
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:45,760
of milk on this. I wouldn't necessarily necessarily say I agree,

1884
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:47,399
but back and see where like some of them are

1885
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:50,199
kind of like interesting kind of metallic hardcore bands.

1886
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:52,520
Speaker 2: Of some of the riffing could maybe be kind of

1887
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:53,640
like and to a.

1888
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 3: Convergens like that at times, but it, you know, to me,

1889
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:58,880
this is very much the band who they like machine Head,

1890
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:01,399
they like mass On, they like of Luna, and they

1891
01:28:01,399 --> 01:28:03,319
want to you know, just kind of like do their

1892
01:28:03,399 --> 01:28:06,880
take on this kind of big kind of like earthy

1893
01:28:07,399 --> 01:28:11,439
but still like chunky, emotional, but still kind of like

1894
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:13,720
fist pumping and nothing. And so again I come in

1895
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:15,960
some way you said whether this complimence of these ideas,

1896
01:28:16,319 --> 01:28:18,399
It isn't the most conducive for the most kind of

1897
01:28:18,399 --> 01:28:22,039
like either stirring sort of like emotion songs or the

1898
01:28:22,039 --> 01:28:25,640
most like rousing, fist pumping bangers. But I still find

1899
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,680
when I've got this on, I'm just kind of like

1900
01:28:28,079 --> 01:28:30,359
really into it. You know that the first rift that

1901
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:32,760
kicks in on the opening track, after that kind of

1902
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:34,960
like intro, I'm like, ah, yeah, I'm smiling because I

1903
01:28:35,319 --> 01:28:38,640
like that riff is chunky, it's hard hitting, and and

1904
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:40,039
it kind of gets me fired up.

1905
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 2: I do agree that there's kind of like.

1906
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,600
Speaker 3: Maybe there's maybe I think they're close when they've got

1907
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,039
to a proper bang is on this record in the

1908
01:28:47,039 --> 01:28:49,800
Spirit live and that's when we can go that I

1909
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:53,439
can see crossing over on a festival main stage, so

1910
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:55,239
that they're kind of they're starting to get that down.

1911
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:57,600
Speaker 2: But I do still seriously what you Meanwhile.

1912
01:28:57,199 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, there's been a lot of kind of like

1913
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,359
positioning that poisted upon them that they maybe they've not

1914
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:04,039
kind of like asked for or anything, but it does

1915
01:29:04,119 --> 01:29:06,159
kind of like make you look at the album in

1916
01:29:06,239 --> 01:29:07,119
a in a different way.

1917
01:29:08,119 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Elliott, I know that that sort of rough descript

1918
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:12,720
with the elements and whatnot. I think you sort of

1919
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,560
feel similarly maybe to what I was kind of trying

1920
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:16,119
to get at there.

1921
01:29:17,159 --> 01:29:20,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're a band that's sort of eluded me since

1922
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,159
they came onto the scene, because that first record was

1923
01:29:23,199 --> 01:29:26,159
so beloved and you know, people were selling it. It

1924
01:29:26,239 --> 01:29:27,920
was all the same things they've been saying. It's mastered

1925
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:31,840
on machine Head, there's Metallica, There's just all these metal

1926
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:37,319
bands I adore, and I think this can go either

1927
01:29:37,359 --> 01:29:40,720
way with bands, where in the case of Earn, I

1928
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:44,600
struggle to see what their id their strict identities. I mean,

1929
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:46,399
like the sort of the X factor, the thing that

1930
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:53,079
can't be nailed. And if your sound's not quite definitively

1931
01:29:53,119 --> 01:29:55,560
yours enough, then you really are depending on your songs.

1932
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:57,399
And I don't think they write bads songs with any

1933
01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:02,159
stretch of imagination, but they don't write amazing songs in

1934
01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:07,600
the way which would maybe overcome their lack of really

1935
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:09,439
obvious originality. I don't know if that sounds harsh. I

1936
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:11,439
don't mean for it too, But it's just a reason

1937
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:13,039
why maybe they fall in the middle split for me

1938
01:30:13,079 --> 01:30:15,319
where I never find myself reaching for own records or

1939
01:30:15,359 --> 01:30:18,279
find myself all that drawn. I don't find them that

1940
01:30:18,319 --> 01:30:20,479
magnetic in the way that I see that pretty much

1941
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:21,760
everyone whose shares my taste does.

1942
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know exactly what we're getting it because I

1943
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:26,880
think I don't mean this to be damning, because ern

1944
01:30:27,039 --> 01:30:29,159
are so impressive in merely elements of what they do.

1945
01:30:29,319 --> 01:30:31,720
They are guys who are just playing like unabashed metal

1946
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:35,199
right is celebrating the primal power of what that is.

1947
01:30:35,319 --> 01:30:36,800
And they're also, you know, trying to build that into

1948
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:38,880
songs that have breadth and scope and express a variety

1949
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:40,920
of feelings. And I think they're very proficient at what

1950
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:43,560
they do. I'm just I'm trying to express what has

1951
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:46,359
maybe kept them from going from a good band, which

1952
01:30:46,399 --> 01:30:49,479
I think they are, to one of my favorite bands, right,

1953
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:51,960
like one of the elite, and why I think that

1954
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,000
sentiment might be shared by a certain amount of people

1955
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:55,199
like there. And I look down at the track list

1956
01:30:55,199 --> 01:30:56,960
and I think it's very good, you know, it's very

1957
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,119
good at the pieces that Earn have gradually been putting

1958
01:30:59,119 --> 01:31:02,000
together Be Not Dismayed. Has the kind of you know,

1959
01:31:02,039 --> 01:31:04,920
the classical acoustic guitar intro that lead you to feeling

1960
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,159
like you're going to undertake something grand. The press release

1961
01:31:07,239 --> 01:31:09,720
directly compares it to battery and clenching the fist descent,

1962
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:11,159
and you go, yeah, the pr has done my job

1963
01:31:11,159 --> 01:31:13,399
for me, because that's exactly right, Like that's Those are

1964
01:31:13,399 --> 01:31:15,840
the standard bearers for what that sensation it's going for is.

1965
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:18,920
And the riffs they're satisfying. They do do good riffs.

1966
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:21,279
They're technically proficient. The best ones are the ones that

1967
01:31:21,279 --> 01:31:23,960
aren't simplistic. They have a lot of detail in them.

1968
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:26,239
They do have a few more kind of straightforward like

1969
01:31:26,319 --> 01:31:28,520
chuggy breakdown parts, but when they like really you know,

1970
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:30,880
when they electrify you with a riff, they can fucking

1971
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:33,880
do that. The soloing work, particularly, I think is really good.

1972
01:31:34,079 --> 01:31:37,239
Like some of the more emotionally stirring passages in their

1973
01:31:37,239 --> 01:31:39,720
songs are the solos, things like weeping to the world,

1974
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:42,640
like really like you know, it gets something out of you,

1975
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:44,960
And I think it's great when a band can prioritize,

1976
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:48,319
you know, feeling in their lead work over just technical ability.

1977
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:52,399
The guitar tone is very like hitting right at that

1978
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:56,479
heart of that common uniting thread of people who like metal,

1979
01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:58,159
which is why I think ern have gotten like, you know,

1980
01:31:58,239 --> 01:32:00,279
quite a lot of people who do think you how

1981
01:32:00,359 --> 01:32:01,800
have really gone all in on them because it's the

1982
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:04,760
way bands like Kajira and machine Head and stuff. We

1983
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,359
all love them because they all hit right to like

1984
01:32:07,359 --> 01:32:10,800
a centrally unifying point of what we all like about metal,

1985
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:12,319
right and they're rifts that you're gonna want to nodg

1986
01:32:12,319 --> 01:32:14,000
your head to and like the title track on this

1987
01:32:14,039 --> 01:32:16,800
secnified to the sky, that riff, it's gonna make you

1988
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:21,119
do that. I like that Joe's screamed vocal. It doesn't

1989
01:32:21,159 --> 01:32:23,439
feel like he's doing a you know, like a modern

1990
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:25,520
metalcore lifted from any one of those type of thing.

1991
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:28,199
It does have that. I think the voice like does

1992
01:32:28,239 --> 01:32:30,760
feel particular to him. He has a good bit addiction,

1993
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:33,199
so it's not just kind of you know, guttural animal noises,

1994
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:36,239
and when he gets a bit of kind of extra

1995
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:39,800
welly on annunciation like the fear not in the first track,

1996
01:32:40,119 --> 01:32:43,159
it pops the clean vocal that he does. It's obviously

1997
01:32:43,239 --> 01:32:45,359
very styled on Mastard on which does make it amusing

1998
01:32:45,399 --> 01:32:47,720
when oh shit, the real one appears on this record.

1999
01:32:48,079 --> 01:32:50,760
But you know, Harken the Waves, that's the sort of

2000
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:53,960
long form, stirring, epic quasi ballads song they kind of

2001
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:54,760
do you know it's decent.

2002
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:58,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like for me, I like, you know,

2003
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:00,560
when he's doing those more pains games, it seems like

2004
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:02,760
he's actually hurting his throat. I'm always like, yeah, I

2005
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:06,239
like I get them from it. It's not like again,

2006
01:33:06,319 --> 01:33:08,359
like I look around and like whatever kind of like

2007
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:12,000
mains from commercial stunning metal alb not metal crowns, but

2008
01:33:12,039 --> 01:33:15,039
something like to say or big culture album from last

2009
01:33:15,079 --> 01:33:16,560
year that a lot of people. I was like, I

2010
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:19,159
get so much more character and personality from Arne than

2011
01:33:19,159 --> 01:33:22,000
I do, then say a cure. I think the production

2012
01:33:22,119 --> 01:33:24,039
this is a lot more kind of like the elements

2013
01:33:24,039 --> 01:33:25,840
are allowed to breathe more, you get the detail.

2014
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 2: I think they added like a second guitarist in now,

2015
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:27,760
which I.

2016
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 3: Think is where they like those melodic guitar passages, and

2017
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:33,359
the color and flavor there has kind of up, and

2018
01:33:33,399 --> 01:33:34,079
I think that's when I.

2019
01:33:34,039 --> 01:33:36,239
Speaker 2: Was with this ALM album has stepped forward nicely. I think,

2020
01:33:36,239 --> 01:33:37,039
you know, I.

2021
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,760
Speaker 3: Get more just compared to like, well, again, like the

2022
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:41,680
last Machine Headed album, any kind of like bands who

2023
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:45,159
are just doing big metal capito a metal with like

2024
01:33:45,199 --> 01:33:47,239
chunky and that I think earn have been the most

2025
01:33:47,239 --> 01:33:48,800
I've kind of like going like, ah, yeah, I like

2026
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:49,680
these songs more.

2027
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:51,680
Speaker 2: Again, I think the Spirit of Life has a really

2028
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:52,319
big chorus.

2029
01:33:52,319 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 3: Someone like hit a few more of them on the

2030
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:56,880
next album and I could really start to cross over more.

2031
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:57,680
Speaker 2: And I think it's nice.

2032
01:33:57,680 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 3: You know, seven Fire to the Sky that's got a

2033
01:34:00,359 --> 01:34:02,720
but it's got like interesting time signatures where it's not

2034
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:05,600
like it never feels kind of like a stock chugging

2035
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:08,479
riff as you mentioned they do. They do find ways

2036
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:10,000
to mix up these songs, and I think for me,

2037
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:11,239
it's just one of these things where again it's not

2038
01:34:11,279 --> 01:34:12,880
the most amasoning. Again you can sort of say, like

2039
01:34:13,199 --> 01:34:15,439
the Mass song comparisons are there, but it does just

2040
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:17,479
go down so well for me. You know, the Ancient

2041
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:19,840
of Eyes and has a nice kind of like meaty

2042
01:34:20,279 --> 01:34:22,399
four four stomp rift before it gets into kind of

2043
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:25,920
like there's more melancholy side on the vocals, and it's

2044
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:29,359
just like it's a nice mix of sadness and chunky

2045
01:34:29,399 --> 01:34:31,079
rifts that are kind of like I'm just having good

2046
01:34:31,119 --> 01:34:33,920
Like I like listening to this, these sounds are pleasant

2047
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:36,399
to me. I do think that again, like a lot

2048
01:34:36,399 --> 01:34:38,000
of these songs maybe aren't gonna stick with me as

2049
01:34:38,039 --> 01:34:39,399
much as some of the others, Like I think the

2050
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:40,760
Qualit songs can be a bit up and down in

2051
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,239
terms of how memorable they are. But again, I'm still

2052
01:34:43,239 --> 01:34:45,720
never really having a bad time with this album.

2053
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 1: Yeah you know I I'm exactly the same when that

2054
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:51,600
says like I enjoyed the whole way through it. There

2055
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:54,600
was nothing about it that maybe go that could you know,

2056
01:34:55,159 --> 01:35:00,279
cut that one out? Like everything is so like well composed, used,

2057
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:05,000
well arranged, well performed, well put together. There's just maybe

2058
01:35:05,039 --> 01:35:07,479
something of a sterility in how they sound that stops

2059
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,399
me getting completely abored. And I kind of felt this

2060
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:11,640
about the last record, and I think maybe this is

2061
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:13,079
just that this is the third album. It's like, Okay,

2062
01:35:13,119 --> 01:35:16,439
we know what earn on now, you know that I'm

2063
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:19,560
just thinking about that. And I find myself listening to

2064
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:22,720
this oddly passively for something that should be like so

2065
01:35:24,039 --> 01:35:27,119
front and center, you know, like holding your attention, and

2066
01:35:27,319 --> 01:35:29,359
I think it is all it's so like, you know,

2067
01:35:29,399 --> 01:35:34,079
it's so just objectively well put together, Like this feels

2068
01:35:34,119 --> 01:35:36,079
like a really mean review on my part. And I

2069
01:35:36,079 --> 01:35:39,479
don't because like, yeah, because I really respect Earn and

2070
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:41,800
I really like them, But I just I don't want

2071
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:43,840
to call this like one of the elite metal albums

2072
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,199
of the year just for the sake of it, because

2073
01:35:45,239 --> 01:35:46,640
it's well put together, you know. And I'm just trying

2074
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:50,119
to think about why isn't it make me feel as

2075
01:35:50,199 --> 01:35:52,279
much as I want about like this to make me feel,

2076
01:35:52,359 --> 01:35:56,359
And I think maybe it's so straightforwardly metal without really

2077
01:35:56,359 --> 01:35:59,680
delivering the hits either. I mean, I would in terms

2078
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:01,760
of like a I don't know an idea of what

2079
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:03,800
I'd be interested in. I would like them to see

2080
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:09,359
them kind of express more genuine light and shade, going

2081
01:36:09,399 --> 01:36:11,439
down the long form type route in terms of more

2082
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:13,479
psychedelic textures and stuff like that. Maybe, like you know,

2083
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:15,159
if you've got that slight little bit of post metal

2084
01:36:15,239 --> 01:36:18,760
energy in you, I know that maybe that that's alienating

2085
01:36:19,079 --> 01:36:20,880
the fans of theirs who do want to know, pump

2086
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:22,800
their fists and have big Pantera riffs or whatever. But

2087
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:25,479
it's just there's something that's kind of stifled about them

2088
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:28,520
to me, like it's so consistently tight, and they do

2089
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:30,520
these again, like nine minute songs, but there's barely a

2090
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:33,039
minute on the record that like surprises or blindsides me.

2091
01:36:33,119 --> 01:36:36,239
It's just so kind of I don't know. It's a

2092
01:36:36,239 --> 01:36:38,880
really heavy, aggressive metal album also somehow feels polite and

2093
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:40,760
contained in what it's doing. I'm just trying to think

2094
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:43,239
about what would be what's the missing X factor, because

2095
01:36:43,279 --> 01:36:44,680
that's my thing with it. I think they're a really

2096
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:47,000
good band. I think they what they're doing is something

2097
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:50,840
I love, and they are objectively skilled at it. But

2098
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:52,800
what's the missing X factor as to why I don't

2099
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:53,199
love them?

2100
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 3: I think it's again because they're suggling that you have

2101
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:57,319
to put on that calor of bands that do have

2102
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:00,680
that X factor that we're talking about. And that's the

2103
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:03,199
thing is like they're so far above the kind of

2104
01:37:03,239 --> 01:37:06,479
like tier bands below them, but they can't quite punch

2105
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:09,640
into that tier of bands that they are clearly kind

2106
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:12,239
of like aspiring to. And again i'st I think it's

2107
01:37:12,399 --> 01:37:14,079
that ern I are kind of like they want to there,

2108
01:37:14,159 --> 01:37:15,880
you know, they want to like throw hands with the

2109
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,680
big boys, and I would much obviously do that and

2110
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:21,640
try and push themselves and do that and maybe they

2111
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:24,119
maybe they just need to find on the next album

2112
01:37:24,159 --> 01:37:25,880
just that extra secret source, and I think they have

2113
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:26,279
it in them.

2114
01:37:26,319 --> 01:37:27,680
Speaker 2: I don't think that. I don't think this is like

2115
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:28,520
the ceiling for Earn.

2116
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:30,079
Speaker 3: I think this is maybe the kind of like they've

2117
01:37:30,079 --> 01:37:32,800
refined their sound too, like the most kind of like

2118
01:37:33,119 --> 01:37:35,119
clear coughing of this is what Ernie is going forward

2119
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:39,239
next album, maybe we can like add that spice to to.

2120
01:37:39,239 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 2: Really find that extra kick.

2121
01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 3: But in the meantime, I still like, I have very

2122
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:44,760
little negative to say about this album because I think

2123
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:47,319
it's just so good at what it does. I do

2124
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:50,840
just I do understand the kind of like it needs

2125
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,600
that one extra thing to be like a special album.

2126
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really wish earned success, Like I would love

2127
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:57,760
for a band that is just you know, without pretense

2128
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:00,640
or extra gimmicks or anything, just trying to like long

2129
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:03,439
form involved metal do as well as they can, you know,

2130
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,680
and to really pay off. And I recommend this record

2131
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:07,960
to anyone who has a taste for these flavors they're

2132
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:09,479
pulling together, because you might be one of the people

2133
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:10,840
who really does connect with it and they are, you know,

2134
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:12,439
there are something of a distinct band in the overall

2135
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:15,920
one landscape. Do check it out. I just I wish

2136
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:17,560
they would maybe like I fly off the Handle a

2137
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:19,039
bit more often or something, and I kind of I

2138
01:38:19,079 --> 01:38:22,159
wish it excited me more personally as all, but I

2139
01:38:22,159 --> 01:38:24,720
do still recommend it for that, so they're earn Setting

2140
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:28,439
Fire to the Sky. Also a very well liked band is,

2141
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:31,279
of course Mull, who have released an album called dream Crush,

2142
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:34,520
also a third album from another quite acclaimed band in

2143
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:36,760
the last ten years of metal, I suppose Moll from

2144
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:39,079
Denmark one of the most popular bands within the kind

2145
01:38:39,119 --> 01:38:42,439
of post black metal, black gaze kind of world. To me,

2146
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:46,039
they're almost like the archetypal post Death Heaven band in

2147
01:38:46,119 --> 01:38:48,920
the post black metal as a style is actually so

2148
01:38:49,039 --> 01:38:51,800
varied and so murky with all of its different variations,

2149
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:54,039
Like there are bands that have fucking nothing to do

2150
01:38:54,079 --> 01:38:57,800
with death that exist somehow within like fucking like Ash

2151
01:38:57,800 --> 01:38:59,840
and Spire or whatever you know, or like early older replays.

2152
01:39:00,079 --> 01:39:03,520
It might be if that term even collectively describes a

2153
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:06,640
particular genre, because it's so nebulous. It's a varied one.

2154
01:39:07,039 --> 01:39:10,920
But when Death Heaven achieved this massive crossover success, the

2155
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:14,680
most widely heard and popular form of it became this

2156
01:39:15,159 --> 01:39:20,840
very warm kind of even more so shoegaze influenced black

2157
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:23,680
gaze as it came to be known style. And the

2158
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:27,039
band who most rode into kind of picking up that

2159
01:39:27,079 --> 01:39:29,279
baton and going right, we're going to take that even

2160
01:39:29,319 --> 01:39:31,920
further down that road was Mold. We like Mole.

2161
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:35,520
Speaker 3: I this album has been like a really trickle for

2162
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:39,319
me because I can't think, really why Mole don't quite

2163
01:39:39,359 --> 01:39:39,760
do it me?

2164
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:43,079
Speaker 1: Do you know what one of those reviews bags, isn't

2165
01:39:43,079 --> 01:39:43,319
it great?

2166
01:39:44,239 --> 01:39:44,760
Speaker 2: It really is?

2167
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:47,079
Speaker 3: I was ever lord you were saying about n I

2168
01:39:47,279 --> 01:39:50,199
said about Mole right now because again, like this to

2169
01:39:50,239 --> 01:39:52,159
me like feels that they are trying to take the

2170
01:39:52,199 --> 01:39:54,359
sort of like I say, they are the most post

2171
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:56,840
Death Heaven black gays band, a black postman I'm going

2172
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:57,039
to do.

2173
01:39:57,119 --> 01:39:58,359
Speaker 2: I totally agree, And.

2174
01:39:58,319 --> 01:40:05,680
Speaker 3: They are trying to make it as kind of like crystalline, beautiful, warm.

2175
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,560
Speaker 2: Like and I think they're clearly very good at that.

2176
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:09,760
And I'm like, why don't I love this?

2177
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 3: Because I love Death Heaven and I can't put my

2178
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:16,000
finger and again, like I think it is.

2179
01:40:16,039 --> 01:40:20,079
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just because it feels almost like safe. This album.

2180
01:40:20,079 --> 01:40:23,319
Speaker 3: It feels like doing the most safe take on Black

2181
01:40:23,359 --> 01:40:26,199
Gays and post back metal, which is why I can't

2182
01:40:26,239 --> 01:40:28,079
and again, like them, I don't want to criticize some

2183
01:40:28,159 --> 01:40:32,119
cause I think there's really great musicianship, Like it's really accomplished,

2184
01:40:32,119 --> 01:40:35,520
it's really well put together, but it doesn't exam And again,

2185
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:37,920
maybe it's harsh coming off the back of that last

2186
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:39,800
Deaf Eavy album, which kind of like really figure out

2187
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:42,439
again this style. But there's nothing on here that you

2188
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:45,239
know that catches the ear in the same way like

2189
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:47,920
any kind of those like strongest moments on that Death

2190
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:50,439
Eavy album did. And it really frustrates me because I'm like,

2191
01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:52,239
I really want to like this and it just hasn't

2192
01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:53,439
happened yet.

2193
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:54,000
Speaker 1: See.

2194
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 4: I think this is this is Alwa's proof of the

2195
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:59,399
expectations thing, because I probably like this album about as

2196
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:02,239
much as you say in that I agree that you know,

2197
01:41:02,279 --> 01:41:04,520
it doesn't punch through, It doesn't shock me. There's nothing

2198
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:06,159
on it like the Death Heaven record. You're reready taken

2199
01:41:06,159 --> 01:41:08,680
off guard, but I just go, oh, this is a

2200
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:11,600
lovely album, and I'm sort of satisfied. It's like watching

2201
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:13,560
an episode of Blue Planet and you're not going like,

2202
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:19,119
why is nothing exploding? This is ridiculous? Happy to look

2203
01:41:19,159 --> 01:41:21,359
at the penguins and listen to David Asenborough.

2204
01:41:21,359 --> 01:41:22,760
Speaker 1: For me, it's just it's nice, get it.

2205
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:24,560
Speaker 3: I think you're right, But like, I don't know, I

2206
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,279
like this obviously thing. This should almost be like my

2207
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:28,800
like the post Batman thing, that should be.

2208
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:29,640
Speaker 2: The most for me.

2209
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:31,199
Speaker 4: And I was like, you know, I get that.

2210
01:41:31,279 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2211
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:33,520
Speaker 3: Do you know the Agriculture album last year, which another

2212
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:35,680
one was off it's tits mental kind of take when

2213
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:37,439
it was like I kind of wish this album was

2214
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:38,600
a bit more off its tits, Like.

2215
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:43,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we've probably full house in this regard

2216
01:41:43,159 --> 01:41:44,640
in that I think we all probably think this album

2217
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:46,319
is good, you know, and we all like it. Send

2218
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:50,000
another I think it sounds really nice, you know. I

2219
01:41:50,039 --> 01:41:52,199
for one thing, I think we need to stop calling

2220
01:41:52,199 --> 01:41:55,159
More a black metal band. And trust me, I have

2221
01:41:55,199 --> 01:41:57,159
a liberal idea of black metal. There are some people

2222
01:41:57,199 --> 01:41:58,720
out there who go, death Heaven's got nothing to do

2223
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:01,239
with black metal. They're not black metal. I'm it's got

2224
01:42:01,239 --> 01:42:03,520
blast beats, it's got big tremolo guitars, it's got a

2225
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:05,920
primarily screen vocal. It's it's black metal enough for me.

2226
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:09,199
Mole have removed so much of the black from the

2227
01:42:09,239 --> 01:42:11,920
black gaze, right. I thought that about Diorama, right, and

2228
01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:15,039
this is even more. This is essentially a shoe gaze album,

2229
01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:17,199
right it with occasionally a screen vocal.

2230
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:20,479
Speaker 3: I think like at times this album, like, I mean,

2231
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:22,279
the only thing that's black metal about it is is

2232
01:42:22,279 --> 01:42:24,840
that more kind of like shraw screamed vocal. That's the

2233
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:26,760
only kind of remnant of the black metals. Love them

2234
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:28,159
because it doesn't really blast.

2235
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,159
Speaker 2: It doesn't have like the the Tremler stuff, but like

2236
01:42:30,159 --> 01:42:31,479
it's just yeah, yeah.

2237
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:34,640
Speaker 1: Because when Male turned up, I like them because again,

2238
01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:36,359
the whole post death heaven thing, while I think it

2239
01:42:36,399 --> 01:42:39,560
did run its course, I like in the sound well enough,

2240
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:40,920
you know, and I thought, Mol, you know they've got

2241
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:42,600
some you know, some great rifts and stuff in that style.

2242
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:45,800
Then Diarama came out and Diaryma got some really like

2243
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:47,880
big words from people like this is the best fucking

2244
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:50,399
black gas album since Sunbather or whatever. And I think

2245
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:55,319
what I was resisting was that post death heavenication of

2246
01:42:55,359 --> 01:42:57,399
the post black metal world, where that is a style

2247
01:42:57,439 --> 01:42:59,800
that to me is so compelling when it is so varied,

2248
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:04,079
right and more shadowy, more you know, out their forms,

2249
01:43:04,079 --> 01:43:07,479
maybe twistier forms have as much representation as what felt

2250
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:10,760
like it started to get very homogenized as the black

2251
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:13,880
gaze style. Right and Mole were always like positioned as

2252
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:16,359
like the new face of the genre, despite having removed

2253
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:18,720
most of the black metal from the equation. And this

2254
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:20,039
is even more so. And it's another one of the

2255
01:43:20,079 --> 01:43:23,079
things where I recognize that's not entirely Mole's fault. And

2256
01:43:23,319 --> 01:43:24,720
as much as I would like other forms of this

2257
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:26,680
music to also get their jews and have eyes on it,

2258
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:29,399
it doesn't mean that this lighter form of it shouldn't exist.

2259
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:31,520
And I think Mole are very good at it, and

2260
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,520
like generally there have been I listened to this record

2261
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:35,960
first of all, and it kind of confirmed all the

2262
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:37,159
things that I was thinking. And then I listen to

2263
01:43:37,199 --> 01:43:38,439
it again and I went, actually, you know, there are

2264
01:43:38,479 --> 01:43:40,880
guitar melodies and songs on this that actually have been

2265
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:43,239
like knocking around in my head. There are really like

2266
01:43:43,279 --> 01:43:44,960
there are fine pieces of work on this and it's

2267
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:47,359
so lush and it is really uplifting and if that's

2268
01:43:47,359 --> 01:43:49,359
what you're looking for in this, and it will do

2269
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:52,680
that for you exactly I did. I had an interesting

2270
01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:54,399
idea about this where I was like, okay, like, yeah,

2271
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:56,840
album last year that was like, I mean, it was

2272
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:58,520
our you know t and m Audience started album of

2273
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:00,520
the year. One of the most critically acclaimed across the

2274
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:02,960
metalsfeld last year was the return of Death Evan to

2275
01:44:03,039 --> 01:44:07,640
this style, and they reasserted themselves as the fucking guys right,

2276
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:10,399
and they showed I think how few of their imitators

2277
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:14,039
had done anything as compelling in those years where they

2278
01:44:14,119 --> 01:44:17,520
weren't maybe as entirely focused on doing that style. And

2279
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:19,760
I was curious, okay, like new mol album, are they

2280
01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:21,520
going to feel like a bit of a relic at

2281
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:24,960
this point of like twenty eighteen or will they now

2282
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:28,479
be free of kind of narrative baggage, And by and large,

2283
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:30,399
I would like to say it's the latter. Like I said,

2284
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:33,960
I think Mole are coming even more into what I

2285
01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:37,079
think their destiny is, which is to be a very nice,

2286
01:44:37,119 --> 01:44:40,520
pleasant shoegaze band with a slight little bit of a

2287
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:43,279
metal engine in there, you know, because this is the

2288
01:44:43,319 --> 01:44:48,920
most like accessible, digestible, not edgy version of black Gays

2289
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:50,880
as you could possibly imagine where I think there's a

2290
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:52,880
reason they are. By and large, they're much more popular

2291
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:55,119
amongst like post metal or prog fans or whatever than

2292
01:44:55,119 --> 01:44:57,199
they are actual black metal fans, even more than someone

2293
01:44:57,239 --> 01:45:00,000
like Death Evan are. It's because they made black metal,

2294
01:45:00,159 --> 01:45:02,199
you know, Like there was so much hubbub made about

2295
01:45:02,199 --> 01:45:04,960
Infinite Granite being like they're not a metal bout it anymore.

2296
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:06,880
It's about as metal as this album is. This just

2297
01:45:06,920 --> 01:45:09,399
has like a scream on like every other song.

2298
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:11,199
Speaker 2: I'm with you.

2299
01:45:11,239 --> 01:45:13,880
Speaker 3: I think, like, like again the album is there's like

2300
01:45:14,079 --> 01:45:15,840
notice where you get like you go, that's the shoe

2301
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:18,479
gazz rift right there that they're playing, and then like

2302
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:19,119
and it is.

2303
01:45:19,199 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 2: It is nice, you know.

2304
01:45:20,359 --> 01:45:22,119
Speaker 3: I think it's like hud mixeding like some of the really

2305
01:45:22,119 --> 01:45:25,600
nice shoegazy bits. There's around the middle where it does

2306
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:27,439
kind of like lean some of the slower mood or

2307
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:30,239
something like there's so little metal beyond the vocals going

2308
01:45:30,279 --> 01:45:32,359
on here, And that one was like I wish you

2309
01:45:32,359 --> 01:45:34,039
would kick up a gear at times, but at the

2310
01:45:34,039 --> 01:45:36,399
same time, I'm like, but it is still just a

2311
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:39,479
very pleasant thing to have on, Like I'm never not

2312
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:42,119
liking what I'm hearing I'm just kind of like, this

2313
01:45:42,199 --> 01:45:44,760
is cool, this is good, this is nice, whereas again

2314
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:46,399
that there just waiting for some a little bit extra

2315
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:49,880
And there are you know, some really nice solos on

2316
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:53,479
this record, like the guitar like that are really really nice,

2317
01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:55,239
and they do that again, they do lift some of

2318
01:45:55,279 --> 01:45:57,319
these songs into that kind of up ace here where

2319
01:45:57,359 --> 01:45:59,880
you kind of go that you get that soaring beauty

2320
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:02,239
that more clearly you got sort of striving for, and

2321
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:03,880
those are of the best moments on the record. But

2322
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:07,079
it is just kind of like hitting a nice sore

2323
01:46:07,199 --> 01:46:09,960
feeling rather than kind of like a truly exhilarating one.

2324
01:46:10,399 --> 01:46:13,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like for me, like the Black Gays, I

2325
01:46:13,159 --> 01:46:16,640
love the most is when it has it uses the

2326
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:18,399
best of both worlds, right, and it uses the best

2327
01:46:18,399 --> 01:46:20,600
of those worlds to create a sensation that you don't

2328
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:22,399
otherwise get in either of those worlds just on their

2329
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:25,680
own separately, and when there's tension, you know, between those things.

2330
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:30,319
This doesn't really do that for me. Essentially, it's like

2331
01:46:30,319 --> 01:46:32,680
a Jimmy Eat World album or you know, a good

2332
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:36,079
Smashing Pupkins album or something, but with like a a

2333
01:46:36,399 --> 01:46:38,439
bloat screeching on it. As I judge it as what

2334
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:40,039
it is, right, which is a jimmat World album with

2335
01:46:40,039 --> 01:46:42,560
a screamer on it, and I go, yeah, I like it.

2336
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:45,279
It's nice a lot. Even the blast beats are gone.

2337
01:46:45,399 --> 01:46:46,119
Speaker 4: Is they just like that?

2338
01:46:46,199 --> 01:46:48,159
Speaker 1: They're a rock band like that. The drums are just

2339
01:46:48,279 --> 01:46:50,640
rocking along and I like them. I think songs like

2340
01:46:50,680 --> 01:46:52,119
the two that really jump out of me are Young

2341
01:46:52,199 --> 01:46:56,800
and Garland, which four like big almost like arena emo

2342
01:46:57,000 --> 01:47:00,600
style guitar melodies like those bands would go for really

2343
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:02,520
fucking good, Like so they swirl around my head and

2344
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:04,920
it does like it it lifts you up and it

2345
01:47:05,119 --> 01:47:09,319
bounces and it's it's just it's so like happy and

2346
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:12,880
innately pleasing. I think I was thinking about so like

2347
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:14,600
Asterronoid last year. Right, It's like there's a band who

2348
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:16,560
started off as almost like a black gays band, and

2349
01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:19,199
then they went off and found their own thing. And

2350
01:47:19,359 --> 01:47:21,399
essentially the only reason we still talk about MOL in

2351
01:47:21,399 --> 01:47:23,359
this kind of way is the vocalist. But that's essentially

2352
01:47:23,359 --> 01:47:24,760
what Mal have done as well. Right, they are a

2353
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:27,560
bouncy kind of Susan. I don't think they're as distinct

2354
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:30,560
and unique and like weird as Asternoid are, which does

2355
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:34,279
make Asternoid kind of more interesting to me. But like

2356
01:47:34,319 --> 01:47:36,159
I said, I did, I enjoyed this album. It's very

2357
01:47:36,199 --> 01:47:38,640
well produced. It has that kind of shooting for the

2358
01:47:39,199 --> 01:47:41,520
stars appeal in the big league guitars for it, and

2359
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:43,560
it's just so lush and lovely. I think it's hard

2360
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:44,600
to not have a good time with it.

2361
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:47,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it. You know, I haven't seen this, yeah,

2362
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:49,479
but if someone was, hell this is like some kind

2363
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:51,119
of new classic for the genre, that would feel a

2364
01:47:51,159 --> 01:47:53,479
bit rich. But it's just the mole thing delivered to

2365
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:56,199
a very high standard and like you say, softening the

2366
01:47:56,239 --> 01:47:58,880
edges even more than they had before. And I'm okay

2367
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:00,560
with that. And it's a special nice to get an

2368
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:02,319
on of this around this time of year, where it's

2369
01:48:02,359 --> 01:48:05,319
like this crisp, refreshing, happy clappy. Like you said, I

2370
01:48:05,319 --> 01:48:06,840
don't think it is a black metal record. I don't

2371
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:09,279
know what you call the sing It is just sort

2372
01:48:09,279 --> 01:48:13,479
of upbeat, breezy rock music with the occasional streak on it, which.

2373
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:16,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not black gazing. It's just sort of metal gaze,

2374
01:48:16,199 --> 01:48:18,039
isn't it.

2375
01:48:18,279 --> 01:48:21,159
Speaker 4: You know, your your minders will vary, But I was

2376
01:48:21,199 --> 01:48:22,840
just perfectly content having.

2377
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:25,880
Speaker 1: It on yeah, I think getting compared to something like

2378
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:28,039
an astronoid who have gone on a similar jetory, it

2379
01:48:28,159 --> 01:48:31,560
lacks the vocal melodies that really lift my heart. He

2380
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:34,000
does sing more on this, like mainly verses, which is

2381
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:36,039
obviously the difference is that it kind of it has

2382
01:48:36,079 --> 01:48:38,720
these soft, nice, you know, sun kiss kind of verses

2383
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:41,239
and then it will kick into a screen for the chorus.

2384
01:48:41,720 --> 01:48:43,000
The guy got a pretty good voice, you know, some

2385
01:48:43,039 --> 01:48:46,520
of those verse melodies are are really nice. I think

2386
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:49,239
it's not as you know, it doesn't have the breadth

2387
01:48:49,399 --> 01:48:51,479
or the dynamism of obviously something like The Only People

2388
01:48:51,479 --> 01:48:53,119
With Power, where you go, fucking hell, there's so much

2389
01:48:53,119 --> 01:48:55,600
here to unpack this. You just got forty minutes of

2390
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:58,680
just like a pretty nice time, you know, just being breezy.

2391
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:02,079
And again maybe in terms of my my regular listening rotation,

2392
01:49:02,239 --> 01:49:04,239
they also have a middle split that they're kind of

2393
01:49:04,239 --> 01:49:07,560
falling into with that. But this is another good record.

2394
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:09,960
And I will say again, of all those like bands

2395
01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:12,239
to have been pronounced the next Death Eavan or whatever,

2396
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:14,680
Mole at least had an approach that feels like it

2397
01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:17,279
is their's. Like they are this again almost like post Hardcoris.

2398
01:49:17,359 --> 01:49:20,479
As you said, it's not the most dramatical daring to me,

2399
01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:23,680
but they do. I wouldn't call them like a completely

2400
01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:25,359
redundant band. The way that like quite a lot of

2401
01:49:25,399 --> 01:49:28,199
the post deaf Evan black gay stuff was they earn

2402
01:49:28,279 --> 01:49:30,199
their place, and I think this does even more so

2403
01:49:30,319 --> 01:49:33,399
by going even more down the route of just basically

2404
01:49:33,399 --> 01:49:35,560
being like a sunny emo record where occasionally a bloke

2405
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:39,239
goes ah it, they're kind of going further to what

2406
01:49:39,239 --> 01:49:41,880
their actual destiny is and I think they're very good it.

2407
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:46,680
So there you go, moll. That record is called dream Crush.

2408
01:49:46,840 --> 01:49:51,760
Let's move on to weirdly. You know, you would put

2409
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:54,520
these two bands together on paper, but maybe actually they are.

2410
01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:57,880
Joyce Manner is where we're headed next, who put an

2411
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:00,439
album this month called I Used To to Go to

2412
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:04,319
This Bar, one of the most beloved emo or punker

2413
01:50:04,319 --> 01:50:06,640
alternative rock gave going to call them bands. Over the

2414
01:50:06,760 --> 01:50:10,119
last fifteen or so years, seven albums now from them.

2415
01:50:10,279 --> 01:50:12,760
So that's like two hours, isn't it. They forget they've

2416
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:15,079
got a few albums. I think to some degree with

2417
01:50:15,199 --> 01:50:16,760
Joyce Manor, you kind of know the deal by now.

2418
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:18,560
If you're in, you're in. If you're out You're out.

2419
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:21,479
One slight little bump in that trend is that Joyce

2420
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:24,960
Maner throughout the twenty tens seemed like unkillable, you know,

2421
01:50:25,079 --> 01:50:28,239
like they were like absolute do no wrong, darlings, Never

2422
01:50:28,319 --> 01:50:30,760
hung over again, Cody million dollars to Kill Me, like

2423
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:33,479
they were all greeted with so much love from this scene.

2424
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:36,560
And then forty ounces to Fresno in twenty twenty two,

2425
01:50:37,039 --> 01:50:39,159
kind of a bizarre record that I still today don't

2426
01:50:39,319 --> 01:50:41,159
entirely like grasp what the deal with that was, But

2427
01:50:41,279 --> 01:50:44,239
like because everywhere I see, you know, lists, it as like,

2428
01:50:44,319 --> 01:50:47,000
you know, this is ours the sixth studio album, normal proper, studio,

2429
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:48,760
ammals per, But the way fans were talking about it,

2430
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:50,000
it seems like it's more like, I don't know, like

2431
01:50:50,039 --> 01:50:51,960
a bunch of half finished demos or something.

2432
01:50:52,319 --> 01:50:54,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like you say that first decade twenty ten

2433
01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:58,079
through twenty eighteen, where there were these five albums every

2434
01:50:58,119 --> 01:51:02,239
two years that the most dependable, beloved band in their scene,

2435
01:51:02,279 --> 01:51:04,560
where every single record they're all different from one another,

2436
01:51:04,720 --> 01:51:07,479
they're all utterly brilliant. They disappear for four years and

2437
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:09,520
they come back with this record. It's like you say,

2438
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:12,359
it's somewhere between a B side collection and a studio album,

2439
01:51:12,359 --> 01:51:14,079
because it's like it opens with a cover which is

2440
01:51:14,119 --> 01:51:16,279
three minutes long. Then it's eight songs, a couple which

2441
01:51:16,319 --> 01:51:20,399
had already been released, and it's someone like re recordings

2442
01:51:20,479 --> 01:51:22,720
or They said like these were held back off previous albums,

2443
01:51:23,159 --> 01:51:24,840
and they were kind of I think the band were

2444
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:26,800
fairly open when it came out of going, this is

2445
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:29,600
sort of us clearing shop before we do the next record,

2446
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:31,920
and then he went, all right, fine, so I imagine

2447
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:34,239
we'll have a brand new Joyce Manner album up to

2448
01:51:34,319 --> 01:51:38,399
scratch next year. Then because you're let's go, it's like

2449
01:51:38,479 --> 01:51:41,840
another four years. So it's the second longest gap to

2450
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:44,880
get to the next record. So in a way, it's

2451
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:48,800
kind of been eight years since the last fully fledged

2452
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:49,680
Joyce Manor album.

2453
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:53,399
Speaker 1: That's what I felt, because it feels unavoidably like Joyce

2454
01:51:53,439 --> 01:51:56,479
Manor have been less solid in their presence than they

2455
01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:58,920
were throughout the twenty tens, when like every two three

2456
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:01,079
years they put out a record and their fans would go, wow,

2457
01:52:01,159 --> 01:52:02,600
this is incredible. They're the best ban in the world,

2458
01:52:03,119 --> 01:52:05,359
and then you know, four years past, we've got an

2459
01:52:05,359 --> 01:52:07,239
album where weren't Act's okay, and then another four years

2460
01:52:07,279 --> 01:52:10,319
past and Joyce Maner just you know, obviously've They've done

2461
01:52:10,319 --> 01:52:12,399
nostalgia runs, They've played Never hung Over Again, an Outbreak

2462
01:52:12,439 --> 01:52:15,159
and that kind of stuff. Joyce Manner. It does feel

2463
01:52:15,359 --> 01:52:17,520
like the last eight years, you know, it's been the

2464
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:19,479
do was to Kill Me? They have been more in

2465
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:21,960
a oh oh Joyce Maner really actually still the band

2466
01:52:22,159 --> 01:52:24,399
kind of phase. But that being said, here we are

2467
01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:26,560
I used to go to this bar. I have to

2468
01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:28,840
largely hand this one over to you guys, because I'm

2469
01:52:28,920 --> 01:52:31,159
just not interested in Joyce Manner like. I find their

2470
01:52:31,239 --> 01:52:34,520
music largely drab and unengaging. It doesn't really appeal to me.

2471
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:36,720
Their records are like brief and brisk, but with no

2472
01:52:36,840 --> 01:52:38,960
aggression or intensity, like there's no gata too, and there's

2473
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:41,279
no nothing. Their melodies don't move me, which is essentially

2474
01:52:41,279 --> 01:52:45,279
the entire thing, past Constant Headache, which is weirdly one

2475
01:52:45,279 --> 01:52:47,239
of the biggest earworms ever. I couldn't sing you a

2476
01:52:47,279 --> 01:52:49,079
song of theirs when I've heard so many of them,

2477
01:52:49,199 --> 01:52:51,159
because I've spoken about four of their records now on

2478
01:52:51,239 --> 01:52:53,119
the show, coming up to nearly a decade of me

2479
01:52:53,399 --> 01:52:56,239
a guy who doesn't care about Joyce Manner talking about

2480
01:52:56,359 --> 01:52:59,880
Joyce Manner with no change in my feelings on them whatsoever,

2481
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:03,319
which is several more albums than by bands I absolutely

2482
01:53:03,359 --> 01:53:05,439
love and actively listen to all the time. So that's

2483
01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:07,319
basically it for me, right, Me and Joyce Maner ain't happening.

2484
01:53:07,439 --> 01:53:09,920
But the response to this once, from what I've observed,

2485
01:53:09,960 --> 01:53:13,319
seems to largely be a sigh of like lovely relief

2486
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:16,079
from the long time fans. But this is much more

2487
01:53:16,199 --> 01:53:18,560
like it and much more true to form than that

2488
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:20,000
last odd record.

2489
01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:23,560
Speaker 3: Was Yeah to me, this as like really submitted for

2490
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:26,439
forty for as this kind of like weird speed bump

2491
01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:29,880
in this near decade period of like yeah, this is

2492
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:32,319
like near decade on drought for Joyce Manner. I was

2493
01:53:32,359 --> 01:53:35,680
kind of like cautious with this album Cuism, like all

2494
01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:37,279
my friends so depressed with the first thing. When I

2495
01:53:37,359 --> 01:53:38,319
was like, oh, you know, it's the kind of like

2496
01:53:38,680 --> 01:53:41,079
slightly acouty, kind of like almost like folky ballad that

2497
01:53:41,159 --> 01:53:42,840
like Joss Man I can do. I was, but it's catchy,

2498
01:53:43,239 --> 01:53:46,119
it's got more, it's already the course I had already

2499
01:53:46,119 --> 01:53:47,760
won't went to my ear more than anything off A

2500
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:50,720
four in pres No, So I was like, cool, okay,

2501
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:51,399
maybe this is like.

2502
01:53:51,439 --> 01:53:52,119
Speaker 2: A bit more like it.

2503
01:53:53,119 --> 01:53:54,640
Speaker 3: I think this might be the most kind of like

2504
01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:57,479
just immediate kind of gut is of him play. After

2505
01:53:57,560 --> 01:54:00,239
my first lison, I was like, this is like again,

2506
01:54:00,279 --> 01:54:01,880
like say, this is the most like the joyce Man

2507
01:54:02,039 --> 01:54:03,800
album in years. Is kind of odd because there's only

2508
01:54:03,880 --> 01:54:07,399
been one like like in the like yeah, in the

2509
01:54:07,399 --> 01:54:09,720
amount of time. But I don't think in about ten years,

2510
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:12,119
I might like this as much as like code. I

2511
01:54:12,159 --> 01:54:13,720
think I pray this like million dollars to kill me.

2512
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:15,960
I think like just on immediate gut listen to kind

2513
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:17,640
of like him pound this. This is just you know,

2514
01:54:18,199 --> 01:54:20,520
ten songs where every chorus has hit with me and

2515
01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:23,119
stuck me. I mean, this is exactly what I want

2516
01:54:23,239 --> 01:54:24,840
joyce Man to be, which is again they're back to

2517
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:27,199
write the micro songs where they are getting in under

2518
01:54:27,239 --> 01:54:30,279
two minutes. You're getting verse chorus, verse chorus, bridge chorus,

2519
01:54:30,399 --> 01:54:32,960
kind of like great songs that worn away and there's you.

2520
01:54:33,039 --> 01:54:35,239
But they're all just you know, sub two minutes, and

2521
01:54:35,359 --> 01:54:38,800
they're just so jubilant to listen to while still having

2522
01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:41,920
enough other kind of like emo kind of like sardonic,

2523
01:54:42,079 --> 01:54:43,479
melancholy and all that sort of side of things, and

2524
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:45,680
it's just hitting everything I want from Joyce manor of

2525
01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:46,920
course this record. I don't know if it's the same

2526
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:49,000
for you, Elliott, but like for me, just on the

2527
01:54:49,079 --> 01:54:50,680
kind of like the two days we've had this record,

2528
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:51,800
I've not stopped listening.

2529
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:54,760
Speaker 4: Well, because I went into this with fairly tempered expectations,

2530
01:54:54,760 --> 01:54:56,720
because over that sort of eight year period, it's like

2531
01:54:57,399 --> 01:54:59,960
I'd lost a fair bit of interest in this scene. Anyway,

2532
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,479
I think the scene kind of got worse in that time.

2533
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:05,279
And then if my favorite band in that scene put

2534
01:55:05,359 --> 01:55:07,680
out far and away their worst records, the only album

2535
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:10,600
of theirs that I don't think is SUPERB. Basically, I

2536
01:55:10,760 --> 01:55:12,359
just thought, oh, well maybe I don't know if it's

2537
01:55:12,399 --> 01:55:14,479
me or them, but maybe, well we'll see each other

2538
01:55:14,479 --> 01:55:17,239
another time. So going into this record, I kind of went,

2539
01:55:17,319 --> 01:55:19,479
you know, I'll take what I can get. I'd like

2540
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:23,319
to hear if they're back on form. And it was

2541
01:55:23,439 --> 01:55:27,640
just like song after song being great, one after the other,

2542
01:55:27,640 --> 01:55:29,279
just got oh, oh, hang, I want to run now,

2543
01:55:29,439 --> 01:55:31,680
Oh We'll five songs in. It's all good. Like there's

2544
01:55:32,079 --> 01:55:35,000
it's left of the record, it doesn't stop, and it's

2545
01:55:35,119 --> 01:55:38,600
like that was. That thing you say about it being

2546
01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:41,359
like a sigh of relief is exactly what the feeling was,

2547
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:44,640
because this was for me, far and away the best

2548
01:55:44,680 --> 01:55:48,159
band of their scene, of their time, and that last

2549
01:55:48,199 --> 01:55:51,560
record was really uncharacteristically, I don't know, just sort of

2550
01:55:52,239 --> 01:55:54,399
it lacked spirit. It would it would just it was.

2551
01:55:54,640 --> 01:55:57,720
It was hard to be enthusiastic about it. And this

2552
01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:02,640
time it's like that Alm also really lack character, and

2553
01:56:02,760 --> 01:56:05,039
this time it does feel like a bit of the

2554
01:56:05,119 --> 01:56:08,000
greatest hits of Joyce manner looking at those previous five

2555
01:56:08,039 --> 01:56:09,680
years and Okay, what works because it's like you say,

2556
01:56:09,680 --> 01:56:12,039
it's the micro songs are back, which is one of

2557
01:56:12,079 --> 01:56:13,560
the things that made them interesting in the first place.

2558
01:56:14,079 --> 01:56:17,039
But it's pop you again in the same way that

2559
01:56:17,119 --> 01:56:20,000
Cody and Willian donster kill. We just have these unbelievable

2560
01:56:20,039 --> 01:56:22,319
power pop books. Yeah, just like some of the catchier

2561
01:56:22,399 --> 01:56:26,560
songs of that time period, and incredibly simple and marrying

2562
01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:29,399
those two worlds together kind of for the first time,

2563
01:56:29,560 --> 01:56:31,720
where you know, the first few records are very short,

2564
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:33,920
a bit more angular, bit more odd. Then you have

2565
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:36,119
the couple there, which are really poppy slightly longer songs,

2566
01:56:36,279 --> 01:56:39,560
a bit more diverse, having a record that is willing

2567
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:43,960
to cross the streams a bit. It's like that's not

2568
01:56:44,319 --> 01:56:46,920
just it's not just a great record for to come

2569
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:49,920
back with, it's stylistically a perfect record for them to

2570
01:56:49,960 --> 01:56:51,399
return with, because it's like, here's all the stuff you

2571
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:55,159
like beforehand. Sorry about that little bump in the road. Yeah, together,

2572
01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:56,479
I think like it's so.

2573
01:56:56,720 --> 01:56:58,239
Speaker 3: Soon when you hit play and you get I know

2574
01:56:58,279 --> 01:57:00,960
where Mark Chen lives. I was like that opening guitar

2575
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:03,880
licks immediately infectious. You know, there's a skip and an

2576
01:57:04,039 --> 01:57:06,359
energy that was lacking on the last album. And then

2577
01:57:06,439 --> 01:57:10,119
you cause there coming down the chorus was like here

2578
01:57:10,199 --> 01:57:13,039
we fucking go a chorus, let's go, and it's like

2579
01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:16,720
so joyous and infectious, and like they cram that whole

2580
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:19,079
song into under two minutes, and when that final course

2581
01:57:19,119 --> 01:57:21,000
comes around, you get that kind of like you for

2582
01:57:21,159 --> 01:57:24,000
it a bigger final chorus thing and it's only been

2583
01:57:24,079 --> 01:57:26,760
ninety seconds of the song and then you know you're

2584
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:28,880
getting falling into it and it's you know, a bit

2585
01:57:28,920 --> 01:57:30,560
more of the laid back slack of thing that they

2586
01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:30,840
can do.

2587
01:57:31,359 --> 01:57:33,479
Speaker 2: But the again, the hook is there.

2588
01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:36,600
Speaker 3: There's harmonies, there's actual kind of like text when the songs,

2589
01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:39,720
there's nice guitar melodies. And again, it just go through

2590
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:41,600
the track list and you could say similar things about

2591
01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:43,920
all of them, but each song has its own character.

2592
01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:46,479
At the same time, it's nineteen minutes, it's ten songs.

2593
01:57:46,840 --> 01:57:48,520
It flies by, and the amount of times I listen,

2594
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:50,199
I was like, I'm just hip playing that again because

2595
01:57:50,199 --> 01:57:51,119
I'm having such good time.

2596
01:57:51,279 --> 01:57:53,079
Speaker 2: I don't want to know. I don't want the feelings

2597
01:57:53,119 --> 01:57:53,439
to end.

2598
01:57:54,119 --> 01:57:56,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's way too early for me to know

2599
01:57:56,399 --> 01:57:59,079
how i'd rank this compared to the first. It's definitely

2600
01:57:59,079 --> 01:58:00,800
been the last one, but the first. It's really possible

2601
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:04,159
to know. But what I will say is this sounds

2602
01:58:04,239 --> 01:58:07,520
like the most they've enjoyed being a band since Cody

2603
01:58:07,640 --> 01:58:09,800
Because Million Dollars to Kill Me. I still love that record,

2604
01:58:09,800 --> 01:58:11,840
but I think the band of a slightly troubled relationship

2605
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:13,359
with it. They're kind of open about which songs they

2606
01:58:13,399 --> 01:58:14,840
do and don't like. Off I don't they play much

2607
01:58:14,840 --> 01:58:18,960
off It live, and it's probably their most downbeat record

2608
01:58:19,159 --> 01:58:22,319
of that five. This one, it's like, not only are

2609
01:58:22,359 --> 01:58:24,680
they back to writing songs which feel comfortable and well

2610
01:58:24,720 --> 01:58:28,199
suited to them, but just throwing fresh ideas and they're

2611
01:58:28,239 --> 01:58:30,119
like falling into it. It is more slacker, but it's

2612
01:58:30,159 --> 01:58:32,640
like all these playful synths and lead lines in it,

2613
01:58:32,720 --> 01:58:38,560
which sounds like Amy can fly. And that's kind of

2614
01:58:38,600 --> 01:58:40,399
in a way, it's surplus to requirement, but it's like

2615
01:58:40,680 --> 01:58:43,119
it makes it better. And then after all you put

2616
01:58:43,199 --> 01:58:45,840
me through again on the face of a very straightforward

2617
01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:47,920
Joyce mant of song, but they put this like talking

2618
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:50,359
heads guitar iff in there, which just makes it better.

2619
01:58:50,359 --> 01:58:52,720
The a Possum, which is that and the Great Guitar

2620
01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:54,960
protably my two third songs on the record. The Apossum

2621
01:58:55,159 --> 01:58:58,840
is compositionally, it sounds like something that could be ont

2622
01:58:58,840 --> 01:59:01,000
of all things. I'll soon grow tired, but it's got

2623
01:59:01,039 --> 01:59:02,279
a bit of the blue grass.

2624
01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:03,159
Speaker 1: C to it.

2625
01:59:03,279 --> 01:59:05,399
Speaker 2: It's got that rolling drummert. It's really fun.

2626
01:59:05,720 --> 01:59:09,000
Speaker 3: And then you're gonna well, dude, see like the way

2627
01:59:09,119 --> 01:59:11,359
the tracks flow into each other and everyone is just like, ah,

2628
01:59:11,720 --> 01:59:14,359
new life. I just keep every song gives me that

2629
01:59:14,439 --> 01:59:17,079
hit and I again, I just think it's so listenable.

2630
01:59:17,239 --> 01:59:19,199
I think when it's kind of a bit more dour,

2631
01:59:19,439 --> 01:59:21,119
I feel like Greg I just mentioned that's gould a

2632
01:59:21,159 --> 01:59:23,119
bit more bite to it. That's you know, the kind

2633
01:59:23,159 --> 01:59:25,239
of like stream of contrac kind of ranting on the verses.

2634
01:59:25,279 --> 01:59:27,199
It's a little bit more kind of like just a

2635
01:59:27,239 --> 01:59:29,359
little bit spikier than like the kind of like dubling

2636
01:59:29,359 --> 01:59:31,079
thing off and go to Joyce manaform. But it's a

2637
01:59:31,159 --> 01:59:33,079
cool thing to add in at the end of the

2638
01:59:33,119 --> 01:59:35,960
record to just kind of keep this again very brief

2639
01:59:36,199 --> 01:59:39,399
nineteen minutes album kind of like varied and interesting.

2640
01:59:40,319 --> 01:59:43,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's in a way they had an insurmountable

2641
01:59:43,479 --> 01:59:46,479
task of you know, it's been eight years really since

2642
01:59:46,680 --> 01:59:48,920
a choice man of record proper. They come along with

2643
01:59:49,279 --> 01:59:51,000
nineteen minutes of music, which I know is what we

2644
01:59:51,159 --> 01:59:53,199
came to expect from in the first place. But it's

2645
01:59:53,239 --> 01:59:54,760
like it's been eight years and you only got but

2646
01:59:55,720 --> 01:59:58,560
it's like getting you know, when Every Bridge Burning came out.

2647
01:59:58,800 --> 01:59:59,279
Speaker 1: This is like that.

2648
01:59:59,399 --> 02:00:04,640
Speaker 4: But for Whimps, it's like really good, Like the gap

2649
02:00:04,760 --> 02:00:07,159
is fine because it's like you gave us nine songs

2650
02:00:07,640 --> 02:00:10,760
and they all smash it out the park. So honestly,

2651
02:00:10,840 --> 02:00:12,800
this because I went into this, like I said, with

2652
02:00:12,840 --> 02:00:17,079
fairly low expectations or a lack of expectations, but by

2653
02:00:17,159 --> 02:00:19,520
the time I got towards the end of the first run,

2654
02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:22,600
I was just beaming because it's like the band's back.

2655
02:00:23,039 --> 02:00:24,600
You just you can hear it, not just in the

2656
02:00:24,680 --> 02:00:27,000
quality of the songwriting and not in the quality of performances,

2657
02:00:27,359 --> 02:00:29,920
but just in the spark on the record. It's like

2658
02:00:29,960 --> 02:00:31,520
you kind of got Oh. That's why I like Joyce

2659
02:00:31,560 --> 02:00:34,119
Manners so much. That's why every two years their album

2660
02:00:34,159 --> 02:00:35,640
come out and it would just dominate my summer.

2661
02:00:36,039 --> 02:00:38,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. I will say for the record that the nineteen

2662
02:00:38,720 --> 02:00:40,479
minutes that you spend with this, I thought this record

2663
02:00:40,600 --> 02:00:44,199
was quite nice, you know, like the the sort of

2664
02:00:44,239 --> 02:00:46,479
blue grass meets the Smith's thing that you were talking

2665
02:00:46,479 --> 02:00:49,079
about that's on like the Apossum and all my friends

2666
02:00:49,079 --> 02:00:52,119
start pressing like Johnny mar meets Johnny Cash. Decent combination

2667
02:00:52,159 --> 02:00:53,960
of words there, Like, you know, I'm all right with that,

2668
02:00:54,920 --> 02:00:56,399
falling into it. I did write down at the since

2669
02:00:56,399 --> 02:00:57,960
sound like Amy can Fly. But then after all You

2670
02:00:58,000 --> 02:00:59,840
put Me Through has more sort of new order, since

2671
02:01:00,319 --> 02:01:02,560
I quite like, well, whatever it was sounds a bit

2672
02:01:02,600 --> 02:01:05,000
like smash Mouth. It's got a kind of breezy sorter

2673
02:01:05,079 --> 02:01:07,079
along in the sun pop rock song feel to it.

2674
02:01:07,479 --> 02:01:09,319
The title track is the riff is a little bit

2675
02:01:09,359 --> 02:01:10,880
like their answer to fat Lip, you know, like as

2676
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:13,239
you're saying every bridge burning for winds, that's like fat

2677
02:01:13,319 --> 02:01:14,680
Lip for weeds. But you know, it's a kind of

2678
02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:18,880
a serious indie punk song version, a fairly pleasant record.

2679
02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:20,800
You know, all the things that mark Joyce Manner when

2680
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:24,600
they're on it seem present and correct. Hopefully a good

2681
02:01:24,680 --> 02:01:27,079
start to the year in kind of alternative rock if

2682
02:01:27,199 --> 02:01:29,560
one of it's you know, maybe slightly lost former front

2683
02:01:29,640 --> 02:01:31,119
runners are back to delivering the goods.

2684
02:01:31,600 --> 02:01:33,920
Speaker 4: Definitely, this is all. This was not an alum that

2685
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:36,239
I was especially looking forward to off the strength the

2686
02:01:36,319 --> 02:01:38,960
last one and the time away, but I'm going to

2687
02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:40,840
be listening to this all year. I already have that

2688
02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:42,760
feeling about it, you know, so that I.

2689
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:45,680
Speaker 3: Have the same kind of like feeling like i'd I

2690
02:01:45,760 --> 02:01:47,199
wanted to be good, but I wasn't expecting it. But

2691
02:01:47,199 --> 02:01:48,880
I'm like, this is already kind of like a marks

2692
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:50,960
for like, give me this in the summer. I want

2693
02:01:50,960 --> 02:01:52,239
to see these songs live. I want to you know,

2694
02:01:52,319 --> 02:01:54,279
be of a mate jumping up and down to this,

2695
02:01:54,640 --> 02:01:55,199
like can't wait.

2696
02:01:55,640 --> 02:01:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, Joyce Maner, I used to go

2697
02:01:57,760 --> 02:02:01,000
to this bar a record that is over three times

2698
02:02:01,039 --> 02:02:03,680
as long, I think as it is the Ruins of

2699
02:02:03,720 --> 02:02:07,359
Beaver Ast and Temple Schlaff, which is the I would

2700
02:02:07,359 --> 02:02:10,520
say the key underground metal release of the month this

2701
02:02:10,640 --> 02:02:12,600
time is the Ruins of beaver Rus. They are a

2702
02:02:13,199 --> 02:02:16,239
German black doom metal band. I suppose you might call

2703
02:02:16,279 --> 02:02:20,039
them primarily the project of one man, Alexander von Meelenwald.

2704
02:02:20,520 --> 02:02:22,880
They have been going at this stage for over twenty years,

2705
02:02:22,960 --> 02:02:24,720
in which time they have become one of the real

2706
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:28,279
iconoclasts of the twenty first century black metal underground. Elliott,

2707
02:02:28,720 --> 02:02:30,600
I've spoken much about the Ruins of Beavers before, and

2708
02:02:30,720 --> 02:02:32,840
you have the advantage on me in having seen at

2709
02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:35,800
least half a set of theirs live. Why don't you

2710
02:02:35,920 --> 02:02:37,840
describe for us roughly how they sit for you and

2711
02:02:37,920 --> 02:02:39,439
and what your feelings on the Ruins of b Rus are.

2712
02:02:40,439 --> 02:02:44,439
Speaker 4: I really like the Ruins of Beavers. I've never been

2713
02:02:44,520 --> 02:02:47,279
quite as fanastical about them as many of my fellow

2714
02:02:47,359 --> 02:02:50,039
black metal fans. I'm not sure quite what the reason

2715
02:02:50,079 --> 02:02:51,279
for that is. I think some of it was in

2716
02:02:51,399 --> 02:02:55,920
life time I listening to this record, but I've always

2717
02:02:55,920 --> 02:02:57,880
thought they're great. Some semin like one of the best

2718
02:02:57,880 --> 02:03:00,560
black metal bands operating the world to and they're certainly

2719
02:03:00,600 --> 02:03:02,079
one of the most distincts. Like they're one of those

2720
02:03:02,119 --> 02:03:05,760
bands where when you're listening to them, you know precisely

2721
02:03:05,800 --> 02:03:07,960
what it is that. They're this really cool blend of

2722
02:03:08,680 --> 02:03:12,239
fiery but cavernous Germanic black metal, but it's got this

2723
02:03:12,319 --> 02:03:14,520
gothic flavor to it as well. It's one of the

2724
02:03:14,600 --> 02:03:18,560
most distinct combinations you'll find in underground metal today. But

2725
02:03:18,720 --> 02:03:20,760
I will they're not They're not a band that I

2726
02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:23,800
go to regularly, But I also suspect maybe they're not

2727
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:26,399
the kind of band that you're expected to go to regularly.

2728
02:03:26,399 --> 02:03:30,520
Their music is really dense and difficult. My relationship with

2729
02:03:30,640 --> 02:03:32,680
them is more like every now and then I'll return

2730
02:03:32,760 --> 02:03:34,279
to one of their albums and just go, you know,

2731
02:03:34,479 --> 02:03:37,199
BlimE me and then leave it for a bit. I'm

2732
02:03:37,199 --> 02:03:38,079
always super impressed.

2733
02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:41,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they've grown into a really intriguing band,

2734
02:03:41,199 --> 02:03:43,720
where like they've always been compelling, but they're you know,

2735
02:03:43,760 --> 02:03:46,880
the their earliest albums are kind of much rawer and uglier,

2736
02:03:46,960 --> 02:03:49,600
but they have particularly on in like the twenty twenties.

2737
02:03:49,640 --> 02:03:51,920
On these albums they've taken on like a real grace,

2738
02:03:52,039 --> 02:03:54,840
and particularly the word I would use is vastness. You know,

2739
02:03:55,000 --> 02:03:58,159
like there's a particular texture that's really identifiable to them,

2740
02:03:58,199 --> 02:04:02,079
I think, which I might describe like psychedelic subterranea, Like

2741
02:04:02,159 --> 02:04:05,840
there is this really hallucinogenic sort of quality, like you

2742
02:04:05,960 --> 02:04:08,640
are spending the whole record breathing in the fumes of something.

2743
02:04:08,840 --> 02:04:10,720
But it's also you know, used the word cavinists. The

2744
02:04:10,720 --> 02:04:13,840
whole thing is so low in frequency that it feels

2745
02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:15,640
like it's coming out of the bowels of the earth.

2746
02:04:15,720 --> 02:04:18,079
Like it feels as a real width to their records,

2747
02:04:18,119 --> 02:04:22,039
like they're not tinerly or thinly produced blackmail records at all,

2748
02:04:22,319 --> 02:04:24,920
but it all feels like it's beneath your feet at

2749
02:04:24,920 --> 02:04:26,680
the same time, you know, So it's like there are

2750
02:04:26,760 --> 02:04:30,399
these vast expanses but in the underworld realm of hades,

2751
02:04:30,439 --> 02:04:32,560
you know, like it's a very particular like sensation that

2752
02:04:32,640 --> 02:04:35,279
is quite unique to them, particularly then with some of

2753
02:04:35,279 --> 02:04:37,479
the other musical tails they bring in, because their last record,

2754
02:04:37,520 --> 02:04:39,840
The thul Grim was is my favorite record they've ever made,

2755
02:04:39,880 --> 02:04:43,079
and really what made it so was this surprisingly big

2756
02:04:43,159 --> 02:04:47,680
emphasis on like big basy gothic clean vocal melodies, which

2757
02:04:48,239 --> 02:04:53,039
to me, despite how like inherently like imposing and negative

2758
02:04:53,119 --> 02:04:55,680
and all that that ruins, the Brest records are also

2759
02:04:55,760 --> 02:04:59,279
made that record like surprisingly memorable by their standards for

2760
02:04:59,720 --> 02:05:01,800
like a actually the crossover pitch is it really sounds

2761
02:05:01,800 --> 02:05:03,600
like type of negative like if you like a record

2762
02:05:03,720 --> 02:05:07,000
like World coming down on the bleaker, slower end of

2763
02:05:07,039 --> 02:05:09,640
the typo spectrum, and you wonder what like an underground

2764
02:05:09,720 --> 02:05:12,159
black metal answer to that kind of record might be.

2765
02:05:12,359 --> 02:05:15,039
The Full grimis is there five years on? Which is

2766
02:05:15,119 --> 02:05:16,920
You're right, it's about as regularly as you need a

2767
02:05:17,039 --> 02:05:19,680
ruined to leave Rest record because they are comparison to

2768
02:05:19,720 --> 02:05:22,760
what we just worke about very slow burning experiences. This

2769
02:05:24,279 --> 02:05:26,760
totally it offers some different, you know, some kind of

2770
02:05:26,760 --> 02:05:29,640
similar feels and textures from what I loved about the

2771
02:05:29,680 --> 02:05:31,399
Full Grim was so as the follow up to that,

2772
02:05:31,560 --> 02:05:35,640
I'm satisfied absolutely, but it also like deviated in ways

2773
02:05:35,680 --> 02:05:38,119
which maybe go ugh, that is like not the sensation

2774
02:05:38,199 --> 02:05:40,319
that I was expecting at all. It's a nice mix

2775
02:05:40,399 --> 02:05:43,199
of kind of you know, familiarity sinking into this kind

2776
02:05:43,199 --> 02:05:46,359
of like slowly manifesting mind all through what experiences the

2777
02:05:46,399 --> 02:05:49,640
records are and then Surprise particularly, I was surprised how

2778
02:05:49,800 --> 02:05:52,279
fast paced and aggressive some of this record is, where

2779
02:05:52,479 --> 02:05:57,000
their recent material they had not been leaning so much on, like,

2780
02:05:57,119 --> 02:05:58,920
you know, the kind of more aggressive blackmatal side and

2781
02:05:59,039 --> 02:06:02,720
more on that moody goth doom feel. He described this

2782
02:06:02,840 --> 02:06:05,119
record as being like comparatively a little more geared towards

2783
02:06:05,199 --> 02:06:07,079
the live band out of his albums, which is an

2784
02:06:07,079 --> 02:06:09,520
interesting prospect because the ruins of Baver's like, they're never

2785
02:06:09,600 --> 02:06:12,000
gonna write mos songs for people to pump their fists too, right,

2786
02:06:12,039 --> 02:06:14,000
They're not that kind of metal band. But the songs

2787
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:16,279
are actually of shorter lengthy overall than the budor of

2788
02:06:16,279 --> 02:06:19,159
their record. Only one of these songs is one of

2789
02:06:19,199 --> 02:06:21,800
those big, like thirteen to fourteen minute juggernauts, and there

2790
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:24,000
are several that are like six to seven minutes long,

2791
02:06:24,159 --> 02:06:27,199
which for the standards is like that's a really combat track,

2792
02:06:27,439 --> 02:06:29,600
you know, and a lot of them, like Day Are

2793
02:06:29,640 --> 02:06:31,840
the Poacher, when it hits off the open track, it's

2794
02:06:31,880 --> 02:06:34,520
got like an aggressive, like punky metal riff with like

2795
02:06:34,600 --> 02:06:37,239
a punk beat underneath that really fucking heavy tar like

2796
02:06:37,359 --> 02:06:39,479
tone that they have. But that's not what I was anticipating,

2797
02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:40,600
you know, and has a little bit more of the

2798
02:06:40,600 --> 02:06:42,279
black metal vocal again from what the last record was

2799
02:06:42,319 --> 02:06:44,880
as well, and that just me would maybe go like,

2800
02:06:44,920 --> 02:06:47,600
oh again, I've I've been lured into this like underworld

2801
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:49,760
that their records are in and I love that vibe,

2802
02:06:49,960 --> 02:06:52,119
but it also kind of slapped me around the chops

2803
02:06:52,119 --> 02:06:54,039
in a way that I wasn't expecting the new Reuber

2804
02:06:54,079 --> 02:06:54,920
to be Russ record to do.

2805
02:06:55,800 --> 02:06:58,199
Speaker 3: You've tapped into why I've enjoyed this one a lot

2806
02:06:58,239 --> 02:07:01,640
more than that last album that we again very early

2807
02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:04,079
days on the show. For me, that was like in

2808
02:07:04,279 --> 02:07:05,920
the deepend record, this was like one of the first

2809
02:07:05,960 --> 02:07:07,960
ones I'm kind of like, oh, is this what it's

2810
02:07:07,960 --> 02:07:09,560
going to be now as parents making them listening to

2811
02:07:10,359 --> 02:07:12,359
did like that last one to be best album much

2812
02:07:12,640 --> 02:07:14,760
this one, I'm not crazy about it because again, like

2813
02:07:15,279 --> 02:07:17,359
it's not entirely my sort of thing, but the kind

2814
02:07:17,399 --> 02:07:20,800
of blend of slower gothics of melancholy kind of like

2815
02:07:20,840 --> 02:07:23,319
progressive sort of expense songs with like Dare have of

2816
02:07:23,319 --> 02:07:26,479
the poach, kind of rollicking punky black metal kind of

2817
02:07:26,520 --> 02:07:29,000
like faster stuff. It's cool actually, like and again you know,

2818
02:07:29,279 --> 02:07:31,520
you get some spooky symps. On some of those faster songs,

2819
02:07:31,600 --> 02:07:34,039
it's like you then like you know that song even again.

2820
02:07:34,079 --> 02:07:36,359
Honest on the poach, which is you know fast met morevio,

2821
02:07:36,600 --> 02:07:38,560
you still get weird chanting towards the end of it.

2822
02:07:38,680 --> 02:07:41,119
Speaker 2: It's not entirely like kind of removing that kind of

2823
02:07:41,199 --> 02:07:44,319
like spiritual, kind of like darker rage to it.

2824
02:07:44,640 --> 02:07:49,720
Speaker 3: I found this surprisingly like an engaging, listenable experience that

2825
02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:51,199
I was kind of like, yeah, cool, I could you know,

2826
02:07:51,279 --> 02:07:53,279
give this a couple more listens and not be like

2827
02:07:54,039 --> 02:07:54,960
entirely hating myself.

2828
02:07:55,319 --> 02:07:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2829
02:07:55,520 --> 02:07:57,439
Speaker 4: I mean I've only managed to give this two listens

2830
02:07:57,600 --> 02:07:59,399
in the last couple of days, so I'm quite far

2831
02:07:59,439 --> 02:08:02,079
away from final quick to talk about something as you know,

2832
02:08:02,119 --> 02:08:06,079
of this scale and difficultness. But my overriding feeling is

2833
02:08:06,520 --> 02:08:10,159
I think it's super impressive, but it we're returning to

2834
02:08:10,239 --> 02:08:12,199
a complaint that I feel like I often have about

2835
02:08:12,239 --> 02:08:14,760
black metal alms that come on this show, where it's

2836
02:08:14,840 --> 02:08:19,520
not amateur enough, it's simply too well crafted, it's too

2837
02:08:19,880 --> 02:08:23,399
compositionally impressive. Then if there was something a bit more

2838
02:08:23,520 --> 02:08:25,560
rubbish about it, I think it would get a bit

2839
02:08:25,600 --> 02:08:27,479
more managed with me. But like the productions not one

2840
02:08:27,560 --> 02:08:30,720
key The drums sound huge, the keyboards don't make me

2841
02:08:30,800 --> 02:08:34,800
laugh at all. It sounds like someone who knows what

2842
02:08:34,880 --> 02:08:37,319
he's doing. And as it's not a universal rule, but

2843
02:08:37,439 --> 02:08:39,680
for black mel I need I need a little bit

2844
02:08:39,720 --> 02:08:41,720
of that for me to really go with it. And

2845
02:08:41,800 --> 02:08:44,439
there's nothing wrong with this record, which is a harsh

2846
02:08:44,520 --> 02:08:48,720
thing to criticize it for, but I would I think

2847
02:08:48,840 --> 02:08:51,000
maybe that's the thing which if there is something maybe

2848
02:08:51,039 --> 02:08:54,800
about like the rumors of beavers, which prevents me from

2849
02:08:54,880 --> 02:08:58,000
really connecting with them, maybe it's that, and that's president

2850
02:08:58,039 --> 02:08:58,560
on this record.

2851
02:08:58,640 --> 02:08:59,880
Speaker 1: But I do like that.

2852
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:01,800
Speaker 4: And you said about it being faster and a bit harder,

2853
02:09:01,880 --> 02:09:02,560
I appreciate that.

2854
02:09:03,399 --> 02:09:05,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's not a bloody heap album, right,

2855
02:09:05,239 --> 02:09:07,359
so absolutely what it's saying, it's not that, But I

2856
02:09:07,439 --> 02:09:11,600
will say it's not a like everything just perfectly in

2857
02:09:11,720 --> 02:09:15,199
its place kind of predictable commercial black metal record.

2858
02:09:15,279 --> 02:09:15,359
Speaker 3: Right.

2859
02:09:15,399 --> 02:09:18,039
Speaker 1: The ruins of Beat for Us are fucking weird like this,

2860
02:09:18,359 --> 02:09:22,880
So they're a really strange, experimental, esoteric kind of band.

2861
02:09:23,079 --> 02:09:27,000
This weirdly is at least riffwise, probably the most accessible

2862
02:09:27,079 --> 02:09:29,239
they've been. Yeah, the fact that they can knock out

2863
02:09:29,279 --> 02:09:31,439
something like like outa fluid as well. It is like

2864
02:09:31,520 --> 02:09:34,520
galloping right out the gates. But because the band are

2865
02:09:34,600 --> 02:09:38,000
so like weighty and wide screen, like they were saying

2866
02:09:38,159 --> 02:09:39,640
when they put the pedal to the metal, it's like

2867
02:09:39,640 --> 02:09:41,720
you're being like chased by a whale or something like.

2868
02:09:41,800 --> 02:09:45,359
It's fucking mad. It's such like a huge sensation. And

2869
02:09:45,399 --> 02:09:47,319
then this switches into like a crust beat and the

2870
02:09:47,439 --> 02:09:51,279
drums are just like beating you, and they have really

2871
02:09:51,439 --> 02:09:54,760
strange like string bending rifts and stuff. There's one at

2872
02:09:54,760 --> 02:09:56,159
the end of that song that's like on top of

2873
02:09:56,239 --> 02:09:58,640
a blast beat while the low end of the string

2874
02:09:58,760 --> 02:10:01,880
is being like bent and it's so topsy turvy. It

2875
02:10:01,920 --> 02:10:03,720
feels like a balloon animal is being made out of

2876
02:10:03,760 --> 02:10:06,359
your insights and it's just like everything is being squeezed

2877
02:10:06,399 --> 02:10:08,600
out of you. And then that's also then before there's

2878
02:10:08,640 --> 02:10:12,039
like a theremine ish synth melody then grabs a hold

2879
02:10:12,079 --> 02:10:12,239
of them.

2880
02:10:12,319 --> 02:10:14,399
Speaker 3: I laughed at that. I couldn't believe when that came

2881
02:10:14,439 --> 02:10:16,079
in on. There's like again, it's like when the fast

2882
02:10:16,159 --> 02:10:17,479
more at something you get this ram.

2883
02:10:17,640 --> 02:10:19,560
Speaker 2: I was like, what this band again?

2884
02:10:19,640 --> 02:10:21,199
Speaker 3: This was? This is a band who who I look

2885
02:10:21,279 --> 02:10:22,600
off their tits and kind of the weird kind of

2886
02:10:22,640 --> 02:10:24,560
things they take, and like again the kind of like

2887
02:10:24,920 --> 02:10:27,079
back and forth between the fast songs those songs, you know,

2888
02:10:27,600 --> 02:10:30,760
some like Cathedral Beheading of Bleeding Statues got a hard

2889
02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:33,399
song and that's solosing down to the more gothic thing.

2890
02:10:33,840 --> 02:10:36,560
Speaker 2: But then it kind of like developed into like inching.

2891
02:10:36,640 --> 02:10:39,359
Speaker 3: It is where it is like evil and menacing but

2892
02:10:39,520 --> 02:10:41,319
has like it does have a surprisingly kind of like

2893
02:10:41,720 --> 02:10:44,119
not catching but like strong melodic cook and looking of

2894
02:10:44,159 --> 02:10:46,640
like the goth side of things. Baby you Scarlet Queens

2895
02:10:46,680 --> 02:10:48,720
when they really start to you know, get weird on

2896
02:10:48,720 --> 02:10:50,439
the kind of extreme metal with the kind of like

2897
02:10:51,079 --> 02:10:53,720
chance and atmosphere, and it gets kind of like frantic

2898
02:10:53,760 --> 02:10:55,680
and volatile within that sort of framework. Because I was like,

2899
02:10:56,720 --> 02:10:58,319
maybe I should go back to that last animal, because

2900
02:10:58,319 --> 02:11:00,720
maybe again this is just where like five or so

2901
02:11:00,840 --> 02:11:02,520
years of the podcast with the journey I've been on

2902
02:11:02,600 --> 02:11:04,600
that I can find ruins of being rest more kind

2903
02:11:04,600 --> 02:11:07,000
of like engaging as an experence. But I think this

2904
02:11:07,079 --> 02:11:09,760
album like again just adding in a bit more riffy,

2905
02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:11,000
faster kind of light attack.

2906
02:11:11,399 --> 02:11:13,079
Speaker 2: Does I just mean I'm I'm kept on.

2907
02:11:13,079 --> 02:11:14,800
Speaker 1: My toes a little bit more by it for sure,

2908
02:11:14,840 --> 02:11:16,000
but they still have a lot of that, like you're saying,

2909
02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:19,800
that very sort of ceremonial quality. They have these big, booming,

2910
02:11:20,079 --> 02:11:22,680
heavy tom patterns that feel like you are being like

2911
02:11:22,800 --> 02:11:26,359
indoctrinated into some like you know, hades circle. The gothy

2912
02:11:26,520 --> 02:11:28,680
like clean guitars are a big part of that as well,

2913
02:11:28,880 --> 02:11:31,279
and then the gothy clean vocals, which often have this

2914
02:11:31,359 --> 02:11:34,800
strange almost filter on them, like they're almost like shimmering underwater,

2915
02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:36,760
you know, like they have these like gothy vocal hooks,

2916
02:11:36,800 --> 02:11:39,039
but they add to the psychedelic quality, and it means

2917
02:11:39,039 --> 02:11:42,399
that there's so much feeling of depth in their sound, right,

2918
02:11:43,079 --> 02:11:45,760
And like I said, when they go intense, the scale

2919
02:11:45,800 --> 02:11:48,000
of the sound is like quite overwhelming when it's also

2920
02:11:48,159 --> 02:11:50,159
played fast at you whatever, so you wouldn't want to

2921
02:11:50,199 --> 02:11:52,279
be fast all the way through. But they do like

2922
02:11:52,359 --> 02:11:56,560
fucking awesome transitions like switching between like these like thumping

2923
02:11:57,039 --> 02:11:59,840
quasi tribal sort of drum chant parts and then these

2924
02:11:59,880 --> 02:12:03,640
like faster, more typically extreme metal passages. The lead guitar

2925
02:12:03,760 --> 02:12:07,520
work is really sumptuous and so like you know, well composed. Well,

2926
02:12:07,560 --> 02:12:09,760
there's a tapping melody in the first track near the

2927
02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:11,800
end that's just like again, like it kind of shimmers

2928
02:12:11,840 --> 02:12:15,000
up your whole body. Cathedral Bleeding Statues has those like

2929
02:12:15,119 --> 02:12:18,880
scary gregoryan Monk sort of sections. You know, there are

2930
02:12:18,920 --> 02:12:21,399
just there are so many layers of sound, like bass

2931
02:12:21,560 --> 02:12:25,039
playing as well, like prominent weird head scrambling bass play

2932
02:12:25,159 --> 02:12:29,279
in a black metal record. They are there's still so

2933
02:12:29,479 --> 02:12:33,439
much of that like gorgeous sleep, you know, slowly seeping

2934
02:12:33,479 --> 02:12:36,479
into the kind of your pores, gothic metal kind of tone,

2935
02:12:37,359 --> 02:12:38,880
but it's maybe a bit more of an even mix

2936
02:12:38,960 --> 02:12:42,000
of feels on this record. I think the last record

2937
02:12:42,119 --> 02:12:48,319
maybe has to me the biggest like overtly melodic, memorable

2938
02:12:48,479 --> 02:12:51,640
kind of you know, clean vocal refrains and stuff like

2939
02:12:51,760 --> 02:12:53,800
it's a dense, weird record, but there are melodies on

2940
02:12:53,840 --> 02:12:56,119
that album that I actually found myself like humming all

2941
02:12:56,199 --> 02:12:58,800
the time because that, like those song parts were super sticky,

2942
02:12:59,319 --> 02:13:01,079
and that's what helped amongst my favorite records of the year,

2943
02:13:01,199 --> 02:13:04,520
this one. The mix of tempos and feels is maybe

2944
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:07,199
a little bit more varied while sounding like sonically again

2945
02:13:07,239 --> 02:13:10,960
immaculate all the way through, but still crucially very weird

2946
02:13:11,119 --> 02:13:13,880
and very out there and very like totally following their

2947
02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:17,760
own you know, creative destiny makes it a really invigorating listen.

2948
02:13:17,800 --> 02:13:19,399
I'm gripped for the whole thing. I think this record

2949
02:13:19,479 --> 02:13:22,039
is fucking great. Once again, if you don't know the

2950
02:13:22,159 --> 02:13:25,279
Ruins b Rest at all, but you like, just don't

2951
02:13:25,319 --> 02:13:26,960
be put off by black metal or whatever because they're

2952
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:32,079
so weird, right, it's just involved immersive, open minded, heavy sounds.

2953
02:13:32,239 --> 02:13:34,800
You know, if you've got a bit of an attention span,

2954
02:13:34,840 --> 02:13:36,920
you know, I would really recommend this record. It's one

2955
02:13:37,039 --> 02:13:39,359
minute under an hour, which does make it the most

2956
02:13:39,439 --> 02:13:43,119
approachable thing they've ever done. The Ruins of beaver Ass

2957
02:13:43,199 --> 02:13:47,159
and Temples Schlaff and finally, speaking of approachable, let's end

2958
02:13:47,199 --> 02:13:51,640
it that way back and Grillin with a self titled album.

2959
02:13:52,399 --> 02:13:53,600
We were, you know, we're a little bit then on

2960
02:13:53,640 --> 02:13:55,359
the ground again for like really big records or a

2961
02:13:55,399 --> 02:13:57,039
lot of them in January that we wanted to cover

2962
02:13:57,199 --> 02:13:59,760
and then voila last week we thought, all right refused

2963
02:14:00,199 --> 02:14:02,199
one of the greatest post hardco bands of all time,

2964
02:14:02,399 --> 02:14:05,079
revolutionary band in some sense, you know, right as we

2965
02:14:05,159 --> 02:14:07,119
were saying in the beginning of these reviews, it's an

2966
02:14:07,199 --> 02:14:08,880
end of an era when one of these great bands

2967
02:14:08,960 --> 02:14:12,439
calls it quits. Isn't it fascinating to have something new

2968
02:14:12,520 --> 02:14:14,920
from them so soon? If you are not aware, this

2969
02:14:15,039 --> 02:14:18,920
band back in Greeland consists of three now x refused members.

2970
02:14:19,039 --> 02:14:22,920
It's got Dennis Lickxon on vocals, Magnus on bass, and

2971
02:14:23,439 --> 02:14:26,800
David on drums, and they are also joined here by

2972
02:14:26,920 --> 02:14:31,439
a saxophonist slash fluortist called Matskus Stafferson, which should be

2973
02:14:31,479 --> 02:14:33,560
your first giveaway as to what this might be like. Really,

2974
02:14:34,239 --> 02:14:36,359
this is what I would say is a pretty low

2975
02:14:36,479 --> 02:14:41,520
states review in that this is clearly total creative shrugging

2976
02:14:41,600 --> 02:14:43,600
off of the confines of what they might have just

2977
02:14:43,640 --> 02:14:47,439
been doing right. Supposedly, this entire record was composed during

2978
02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:50,439
their first ever rehearsal as a band, and what you

2979
02:14:50,520 --> 02:14:53,039
are hearing on the album was recorded two days later.

2980
02:14:53,359 --> 02:14:56,079
So this is a record that is not a result

2981
02:14:56,159 --> 02:15:00,600
of you know, meticulous hair being torn out perfectionism, nor

2982
02:15:00,920 --> 02:15:03,520
does it have any commercial ambitions whatsoever. This is out

2983
02:15:03,560 --> 02:15:06,479
on Spark Records, which is the finished label that in

2984
02:15:06,520 --> 02:15:08,039
the past has released records from the likes of a

2985
02:15:08,079 --> 02:15:11,119
Ranci Pazuzu, Waste of Space Orchestra. A lot of interesting

2986
02:15:11,119 --> 02:15:13,199
stuff comes out of that label. This is a record

2987
02:15:13,239 --> 02:15:15,279
that does not care how many people like it, and

2988
02:15:15,399 --> 02:15:18,279
so ultimately pretty hands off what we might have to say, really,

2989
02:15:18,319 --> 02:15:20,000
you know. But nonetheless we just thought it might be

2990
02:15:20,079 --> 02:15:22,720
of interest if you are super curious about what some

2991
02:15:22,840 --> 02:15:25,960
of the guys who made up Refused might be pursuing

2992
02:15:26,399 --> 02:15:29,479
in the immediate aftermath of that band's retirement, and again

2993
02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:32,439
shrugging off all of that energy from them. According to

2994
02:15:32,720 --> 02:15:35,520
That's not Metals Swee on the inside Alex Chillingworth, the

2995
02:15:35,600 --> 02:15:38,680
name of this band translates to something like outdoor Hill Barbecue,

2996
02:15:38,920 --> 02:15:42,399
So Elliott, the question arises, does this meet the standard

2997
02:15:42,479 --> 02:15:43,600
of good grilling music?

2998
02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:50,800
Speaker 4: I think it would cause food poisoning, it ruin the grill.

2999
02:15:56,720 --> 02:15:59,359
I'm more than happy to one occasion commit myself to

3000
02:15:59,399 --> 02:16:04,000
a session of horrible and terrifying noise, but not when

3001
02:16:04,079 --> 02:16:07,039
manning the grill. You're working with fire and food. That

3002
02:16:07,199 --> 02:16:10,640
is not a time to be distracted or surprised anyone.

3003
02:16:10,800 --> 02:16:13,239
That is a time for CCR and Blue Oyster Cult,

3004
02:16:13,319 --> 02:16:18,319
not a time for Swedish sexophonists playing sludge met but

3005
02:16:19,359 --> 02:16:22,039
away from the grill, I quite like this. I don't

3006
02:16:22,039 --> 02:16:24,199
know if I've got an appetite for this sort of thing.

3007
02:16:24,359 --> 02:16:26,720
Generally speaking, it's not the sort of thing I got. Oh,

3008
02:16:26,760 --> 02:16:28,760
I'm want to be cranking this all the time, but

3009
02:16:29,640 --> 02:16:31,840
when I'm in the mood for that session of horrible,

3010
02:16:31,960 --> 02:16:37,159
terrifying barrage of noise, it absolutely scratches that itch.

3011
02:16:37,959 --> 02:16:40,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, this record is five tracks, four of them are

3012
02:16:40,520 --> 02:16:44,120
around the nine to ten minute mark, and I think

3013
02:16:44,159 --> 02:16:47,159
it's cool because Refused, you hear so much about them

3014
02:16:47,280 --> 02:16:50,280
as being like a properly outside of the norm in

3015
02:16:50,319 --> 02:16:52,879
their mindset band, and like, even at their final shows

3016
02:16:53,000 --> 02:16:56,200
last month, we were talking about them doing like anti

3017
02:16:56,239 --> 02:16:58,600
CinEx covers and things like that, whilst also being the

3018
02:16:58,639 --> 02:17:01,040
band who have songs that have appeared in like Oscar

3019
02:17:01,079 --> 02:17:04,959
nominated hit movies or whatever. But the comeback Refuse period

3020
02:17:05,280 --> 02:17:07,120
war music, I think has generally gone down as a

3021
02:17:07,159 --> 02:17:08,760
bit of a letdown for what ends up being the

3022
02:17:08,840 --> 02:17:12,399
final Refused album. Freedom has some strong aspects, but I

3023
02:17:12,479 --> 02:17:16,920
don't know if Refused really fully felt like that game

3024
02:17:17,079 --> 02:17:20,600
changing band during their reunion period. You know, that radical

3025
02:17:20,920 --> 02:17:23,799
a band, but it's testament to them that this is

3026
02:17:23,840 --> 02:17:25,680
the first thing they do outside of that. You know,

3027
02:17:25,920 --> 02:17:30,520
it's just total free form jazz, noise, cacophony, and the

3028
02:17:30,639 --> 02:17:33,799
ability like like this got reviewed in kerrang and stuff

3029
02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:36,000
because you can go, oh, it's the first thing from

3030
02:17:36,079 --> 02:17:38,879
former members have Refused and it's something the majority of

3031
02:17:38,920 --> 02:17:41,079
people would never want to listen to otherwise.

3032
02:17:42,920 --> 02:17:45,399
Speaker 3: I mean, Refused are like in the call of like again,

3033
02:17:45,440 --> 02:17:47,319
They've released one of my favorite albums of all time.

3034
02:17:47,719 --> 02:17:50,040
I do like, you know, the comeback Refused albums. They're

3035
02:17:50,079 --> 02:17:52,559
not classics, but there's stuff in that I really like.

3036
02:17:52,639 --> 02:17:54,200
And I'm like, the thing is is I was kind

3037
02:17:54,239 --> 02:17:56,440
of like, well, yeah, like they've always been kind of

3038
02:17:56,559 --> 02:17:59,600
out there, sort of thinkers, even though chap pumps come

3039
02:17:59,639 --> 02:18:01,799
that's got you know, jazz influence all over it. It's

3040
02:18:01,879 --> 02:18:03,840
that they've never been like for a long term, just

3041
02:18:03,879 --> 02:18:05,920
a straightforward hardcore band you look at like any of

3042
02:18:05,920 --> 02:18:09,120
the projects Dennis is done in between oh, Refuse like they.

3043
02:18:09,079 --> 02:18:10,680
Speaker 2: Are creative Mavericks.

3044
02:18:11,159 --> 02:18:14,840
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I am actually like again spoiler like

3045
02:18:15,639 --> 02:18:19,079
as an album not my this is not my thing

3046
02:18:19,239 --> 02:18:19,559
at all.

3047
02:18:20,479 --> 02:18:24,079
Speaker 2: What the sound represents. I'm all, I'm all in. I'm like,

3048
02:18:24,120 --> 02:18:26,719
you know, what for it? Be creative Mavericks.

3049
02:18:26,799 --> 02:18:28,360
Speaker 3: Go for it, Like if they if this was a

3050
02:18:28,479 --> 02:18:32,200
Refused album, I would be a little bit distressed and upset, like,

3051
02:18:32,719 --> 02:18:34,440
oh my god, one of my favorite bands have just

3052
02:18:34,520 --> 02:18:36,399
decided to I said.

3053
02:18:36,280 --> 02:18:37,840
Speaker 1: We were going to review this, and you were like, hey,

3054
02:18:37,920 --> 02:18:38,799
I like refused.

3055
02:18:39,200 --> 02:18:43,879
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, one of the things I was expecting,

3056
02:18:43,879 --> 02:18:46,920
because again, there's a reason why they've immediately finished Refusing, gone,

3057
02:18:46,920 --> 02:18:48,399
we're doing a new band. So I was like, it's

3058
02:18:48,440 --> 02:18:50,920
not going to be refused. There is no I was like,

3059
02:18:51,239 --> 02:18:52,920
this is not going to be a punk album. I

3060
02:18:53,239 --> 02:18:55,840
knew like the fact that. I was like, like, they've

3061
02:18:56,000 --> 02:18:58,799
cast off the shackles of Refuse, the expectations, the way

3062
02:18:58,879 --> 02:19:01,559
of that, so they can go and be whatever the

3063
02:19:01,600 --> 02:19:04,719
fuck they want. They can be the lunatic like jazz

3064
02:19:04,799 --> 02:19:08,639
sludge doom like maniacs that they want to be. And

3065
02:19:08,879 --> 02:19:10,959
I think that's amazing. I think, and now I'm like

3066
02:19:11,000 --> 02:19:14,520
this that has no commercial aspirations at all, that's purely

3067
02:19:14,600 --> 02:19:15,639
the creators, kind.

3068
02:19:15,559 --> 02:19:19,760
Speaker 2: Of like free form will. I can respect and admire that,

3069
02:19:19,840 --> 02:19:21,239
even if I never want to listen to this album ever.

3070
02:19:21,319 --> 02:19:23,440
Speaker 1: Again, Yeah, the riffs on this are like if you

3071
02:19:23,520 --> 02:19:26,319
thought Chappile grooves too much like Limp Biscuit, if you

3072
02:19:26,479 --> 02:19:30,159
just go no only anti music please like no groove whatsoever,

3073
02:19:30,239 --> 02:19:34,360
Thank you only the dirge. They're weirdly they I think

3074
02:19:34,399 --> 02:19:36,520
it's I think it's the sacks. The sax adds a

3075
02:19:36,600 --> 02:19:40,399
fun element at times where it saunters along, so like

3076
02:19:40,440 --> 02:19:42,719
the first track, it's got sort of like no wave

3077
02:19:42,959 --> 02:19:46,079
kind of bass and the sax riff just carrying the hook.

3078
02:19:46,280 --> 02:19:48,719
They just repeat for the whole time, hammering on it

3079
02:19:48,799 --> 02:19:51,239
until it doesn't feel like a riff anymore like Swans

3080
02:19:51,319 --> 02:19:53,239
or whoever would or you know, like stuff like the

3081
02:19:53,280 --> 02:19:57,120
birthday party or whatever. But it's like stretched to breaking point.

3082
02:19:57,399 --> 02:20:00,120
It's so lump and and dumb. The saxophone makes it

3083
02:20:00,200 --> 02:20:02,520
sound like a theme tune for like a Sneaky Cat

3084
02:20:02,600 --> 02:20:08,280
cartoon character, while Dennis's vocals are just drunkenly screaming through

3085
02:20:08,399 --> 02:20:09,879
like it sounds like he's using one of those like

3086
02:20:10,479 --> 02:20:12,079
those things you get in the playground where you get

3087
02:20:12,120 --> 02:20:13,840
like a paper cup on a string and another word

3088
02:20:13,879 --> 02:20:15,920
at the end, like just and he's just hollering whoo

3089
02:20:16,479 --> 02:20:20,319
down like no. And it does that for about seven minutes,

3090
02:20:20,399 --> 02:20:22,760
you know, and then you get an in what feels

3091
02:20:22,799 --> 02:20:25,559
like an outro of about a minute of like poping

3092
02:20:25,760 --> 02:20:29,879
tuneless sacks and then the exact same riff just comes back.

3093
02:20:30,360 --> 02:20:32,680
It was like a prank. It was so amusing.

3094
02:20:33,840 --> 02:20:38,120
Speaker 2: That that that d a little bit of one.

3095
02:20:38,159 --> 02:20:40,559
Speaker 3: But because they hammer it for so long of this

3096
02:20:40,680 --> 02:20:43,639
song and it is it's kind of like wobbly drunken

3097
02:20:43,760 --> 02:20:46,319
tunus something like this, like funning bass.

3098
02:20:46,079 --> 02:20:48,959
Speaker 2: And it's gonna like lump and drumbears for like what

3099
02:20:49,159 --> 02:20:50,520
am I? Like? What is happening?

3100
02:20:50,559 --> 02:20:53,000
Speaker 3: And like, to be fair to Dennis, he sounds live

3101
02:20:53,040 --> 02:20:55,040
wire on this record. He is like he's not in

3102
02:20:55,159 --> 02:20:58,360
on what he's doing. He's like feeling it. And I'm like,

3103
02:20:58,719 --> 02:21:01,479
that's again, I can't totally this because I'm like, it's

3104
02:21:01,559 --> 02:21:03,239
kind of just got a spark of kind of like

3105
02:21:03,399 --> 02:21:07,399
insanity that I'm like I can fully respect admittly right

3106
02:21:07,799 --> 02:21:08,319
door for.

3107
02:21:08,440 --> 02:21:11,559
Speaker 2: Lang Lang Oh again, sometimes I'm not gonna be good with.

3108
02:21:11,680 --> 02:21:15,440
Speaker 3: But the second track insane flute solo for most of

3109
02:21:15,559 --> 02:21:21,000
the song, I was like, flutes are just you know,

3110
02:21:21,760 --> 02:21:24,040
we all we all praised the flute in hardcore on

3111
02:21:24,159 --> 02:21:25,040
the Speed record.

3112
02:21:25,440 --> 02:21:28,319
Speaker 1: This ain't that. This is no the only thing one

3113
02:21:28,360 --> 02:21:30,799
of my only reference points for how that would win

3114
02:21:31,000 --> 02:21:32,959
sounds just going mental in your whole you know, your

3115
02:21:33,000 --> 02:21:36,280
ear the whole time is. In the nineties, there was

3116
02:21:36,360 --> 02:21:39,319
like a death doom band called Pandimonium who were led

3117
02:21:39,360 --> 02:21:41,879
by Dan Swano from like Edge of Sanity and Amelion

3118
02:21:41,920 --> 02:21:45,799
other bands, and they would use like flutes and saxophones

3119
02:21:45,799 --> 02:21:47,879
and stuff just kind of break it apart until it

3120
02:21:48,000 --> 02:21:49,719
basically sounded like you were trying to listen to like

3121
02:21:49,760 --> 02:21:52,440
an old anathema tape on, like an old walkman, but

3122
02:21:52,600 --> 02:21:55,799
while being attacked by a swan in the process. And

3123
02:21:56,360 --> 02:21:59,479
that's what that track that would have reminded me of.

3124
02:22:00,559 --> 02:22:04,040
There is one slightly shorter song called Repeat two. I'm

3125
02:22:04,040 --> 02:22:07,000
not sure what Repeater one is exactly, maybe Fugazi, but

3126
02:22:07,120 --> 02:22:09,239
that's like the most accessible in terms of having a

3127
02:22:09,360 --> 02:22:11,719
pulse to it. You know, it's got a kind of nasty,

3128
02:22:11,959 --> 02:22:16,639
slinking proto punk bassline, kind of sounds a bit like

3129
02:22:17,200 --> 02:22:20,040
maybe the slightly more out there end of like mid

3130
02:22:20,120 --> 02:22:22,920
eighties Black Flag or something with the saxophone like popping

3131
02:22:23,000 --> 02:22:25,280
up and you know, the closest thing to a hook

3132
02:22:25,479 --> 02:22:27,639
from Dennis when he's doing like the hey repeat it again.

3133
02:22:29,360 --> 02:22:31,399
The one on this that tested me was because I

3134
02:22:31,479 --> 02:22:32,559
was having a pretty good Time. The one of them

3135
02:22:32,600 --> 02:22:35,120
that tested me with the title track, which is basically

3136
02:22:35,600 --> 02:22:39,479
like heavy breathing over a bassline that feels like it

3137
02:22:39,600 --> 02:22:42,639
can like barely lift its feet out of ten feet

3138
02:22:42,680 --> 02:22:45,000
of snow, and it is that for again about ten

3139
02:22:45,040 --> 02:22:47,639
minutes or something, and I thought that one might have

3140
02:22:47,680 --> 02:22:49,040
stayed on the rehearsal room floor.

3141
02:22:51,280 --> 02:22:53,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's one of those songs that was bad for

3142
02:22:53,440 --> 02:22:55,159
me as well well. The whole thing of what we

3143
02:22:55,479 --> 02:22:57,079
wrote with it in you know, we wrote it in

3144
02:22:57,120 --> 02:22:58,440
one day and as soon as place we came back

3145
02:22:58,440 --> 02:23:00,120
and recorded it, it's like, how do you even know

3146
02:23:00,239 --> 02:23:03,799
what you didn't didn't right at that point, like what

3147
02:23:03,959 --> 02:23:05,840
you're considering a song that you can put on your

3148
02:23:05,879 --> 02:23:07,200
record if you go to come back and put that

3149
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:10,040
on it. But again, it's maybe it's the King Crimson

3150
02:23:10,079 --> 02:23:12,200
fan in me. I kind of like the commitment of it.

3151
02:23:12,239 --> 02:23:13,600
I like that they've just gone like, we're gonna put

3152
02:23:13,639 --> 02:23:16,639
something on that's really not a song on our debut album.

3153
02:23:17,360 --> 02:23:17,399
Speaker 2: It.

3154
02:23:18,120 --> 02:23:20,239
Speaker 4: I think it's interesting like this this combination of like

3155
02:23:20,399 --> 02:23:25,399
free jazz and like extreme noise rock, sludge, that sort

3156
02:23:25,399 --> 02:23:29,000
of thing. It's it's not a new thing, but I

3157
02:23:29,120 --> 02:23:31,799
kind of admire how another band like Naked City would

3158
02:23:31,840 --> 02:23:33,840
do something similar, but they'd also veer into like funk

3159
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:36,920
and disco and surf rock and Western music, and it's

3160
02:23:37,399 --> 02:23:39,159
you know, there's a bit of levity to it this

3161
02:23:39,520 --> 02:23:42,440
outside of Repeater two, which isn't even that much lighter.

3162
02:23:42,840 --> 02:23:45,879
There really isn't a breather at all on this record.

3163
02:23:46,319 --> 02:23:50,840
Like it's it's pretty exclusive considering it's a follow up

3164
02:23:50,879 --> 02:23:52,680
band for one of the more popular punk bands in

3165
02:23:52,680 --> 02:23:53,840
the last twenty five years.

3166
02:23:54,840 --> 02:23:56,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what I kind of just admire about

3167
02:23:56,799 --> 02:23:59,479
that is because they're a band who played you know,

3168
02:24:00,000 --> 02:24:02,840
prey cozy venues I suppose as refused towards the end,

3169
02:24:02,920 --> 02:24:05,280
like what was their farewell date in London, like Britain

3170
02:24:05,360 --> 02:24:08,680
Academy or the Forums, Yeah, something like that, and then

3171
02:24:08,760 --> 02:24:11,120
fucking it off and immediately knocking out this, you know,

3172
02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:13,959
like it's it's very true to the band that they've

3173
02:24:13,959 --> 02:24:17,440
always told you they are. You know, apparently they're immediately

3174
02:24:17,479 --> 02:24:19,639
onto making a second album, which, considering the turnaround of

3175
02:24:19,639 --> 02:24:21,360
this one, doesn't surprise me. I imagine there'll be more

3176
02:24:21,360 --> 02:24:23,879
of this coming very soon. If you're into it, I

3177
02:24:24,000 --> 02:24:26,200
admire it, you know, even if I'm probably not going

3178
02:24:26,239 --> 02:24:28,200
to be listening to it again very much, and it's

3179
02:24:28,680 --> 02:24:31,040
the most unlistenable album review of the year out early.

3180
02:24:31,200 --> 02:24:35,120
So there we go. Thank you for listening to this

3181
02:24:35,319 --> 02:24:37,000
here show. Thank you for your patience in terms of

3182
02:24:37,040 --> 02:24:39,079
getting this one slightly out the door later than usual.

3183
02:24:39,159 --> 02:24:42,040
But what are your takes on those album the highs

3184
02:24:42,079 --> 02:24:46,040
and lows of those seven records from January? Because like

3185
02:24:46,120 --> 02:24:48,000
this has kind of like skewed our schedule a little bit.

3186
02:24:48,000 --> 02:24:49,159
I kind of don't want to come back in like

3187
02:24:49,239 --> 02:24:51,280
three days time for whatever news has happened there. So

3188
02:24:51,360 --> 02:24:54,360
I say we'll be back next Friday with the podcast

3189
02:24:54,479 --> 02:24:56,639
for the week, but we will later in the week

3190
02:24:56,680 --> 02:24:58,159
if you are over on the Patreo and there will

3191
02:24:58,159 --> 02:25:00,719
be more podcasting because we have the first T and

3192
02:25:00,879 --> 02:25:03,920
M does Horror of the Year coming this week. It's

3193
02:25:03,959 --> 02:25:06,000
one for the gamers, I'll say that much. There's something

3194
02:25:06,040 --> 02:25:07,600
else that is going on, so it's one for the gamers.

3195
02:25:08,399 --> 02:25:10,479
And then sometime after that we will be picking up

3196
02:25:10,520 --> 02:25:12,479
once again with the nineteen ninety seven special over the

3197
02:25:12,479 --> 02:25:14,239
Patriot as well, So go check us out over there

3198
02:25:14,280 --> 02:25:16,120
if you want to fill your boots for the remainder

3199
02:25:16,200 --> 02:25:19,200
this week. Otherwise, we'll be back here next Friday to

3200
02:25:19,600 --> 02:25:22,200
really pick up the schedule once again and let us

3201
02:25:22,200 --> 02:25:25,000
continue covering everything that's happening in rock and heavy metal.

3202
02:25:25,040 --> 02:25:28,159
So cheers, everybody, Bye bye, I don't care.