Speaker 1: Hi, this is Alex Skwerdetski from Calgary, Alberta, Canada, and
Speaker 1: I play at Link's Ridge Golf Course.
Speaker 2: This is Golf Smarter number nine hundred and ninety two.
Speaker 3: And then we have unconscious curses. That's what we deal
Speaker 3: with mostly on a day to day basis because we
Speaker 3: don't understand that we're doing it a lot of the times.
Speaker 3: And an unconscious curse is me in my head saying
Speaker 3: I hope he misses that shot. That's an unconscious curse,
Speaker 3: or me saying, oh, I can't stand that person. I
Speaker 3: hope they don't come to the Christmas party. That's sending
Speaker 3: negative energy towards someone. You know, we're not taught that,
Speaker 3: we're not given the information that that is actually doing something.
Speaker 3: But everything is energy, the thoughts ideas everything. So when
Speaker 3: we're thinking in our heads, I want that person to fail,
Speaker 3: that is laying an unconscious curse. Whether you understand that
Speaker 3: you're doing it or not, you're still cursing someone. That's
Speaker 3: what we also do to ourselves is unconscious curses typically,
Speaker 3: and that can be actual cursing like f me, you're
Speaker 3: cursing yourself, that's an unconscious curse. You don't really know
Speaker 3: you're doing it. If you knew you were, I think
Speaker 3: you'd probably stop. So those are the two main categories,
Speaker 3: conscious and unconscious.
Speaker 1: Control your emotions, control your energy, control your game. With
Speaker 1: documentary filmmaker Mallory Kennedy, this is Golf Smarter, sharing stories,
Speaker 1: tips and insights from great golf minds to help you
Speaker 1: lower your score and raise your golf IQ.
Speaker 2: Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast. Mallory.
Speaker 4: Hello, Fred, I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 2: It's great to have you on.
Speaker 1: This is going to be a fascinating conversation because over
Speaker 1: the years of Golf Smarter, and you know you're in
Speaker 1: the nine one hundred and ninety episodes esque up in there,
Speaker 1: I've covered the zen part of golf, flow state, mental game,
Speaker 1: emotional game, biometrics, kinesiology, mindfulness, self hypnosis. But this is
Speaker 1: the first time that anyone has ever suggested the idea
Speaker 1: of energy controlling your energy or curses. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh no, Wit, this is too interesting and a real
Speaker 1: hard left turn on this. How did you get And
Speaker 1: we'll talk about your book a lot, a lot of
Speaker 1: notes and things that you've said, but you're not a doctor.
Speaker 2: You're a filmmaker, right.
Speaker 4: Correct, a filmmaker and writer.
Speaker 2: Okay, how did you get to this?
Speaker 3: It was a long journey, I'll say that, but you know,
Speaker 3: I've really been all my life. I've been a tuned
Speaker 3: to energy, and I could see it just kind of
Speaker 3: naturally as a child, and you know, it was something
Speaker 3: I was honestly scared of because I just thought ghosts.
Speaker 3: You know, you're a little kid and you're afraid to
Speaker 3: go to sleep because you know things are bumping around
Speaker 3: and you're hearing other things that people don't see, and
Speaker 3: you just don't want to. So for a long time,
Speaker 3: it was just a scary thing that I shut down,
Speaker 3: really almost completely as much as I could, because too
Speaker 3: when you talk to people about it, they're just like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, that's your imagination and you kind of discredit it,
Speaker 3: and they just don't want you to be scared, you know.
Speaker 3: But then as I grew up and got a little
Speaker 3: more comfortable with it and saw that it was something
Speaker 3: also that was not going away, then I decided, well,
Speaker 3: I just need to make friends with it, and started
Speaker 3: looking into it. I would say, on more of a
Speaker 3: formal level, just like a self study. And like you said,
Speaker 3: I'm not like a doctor, and I did not go
Speaker 3: to a formal school for this, but a lot of
Speaker 3: it is what I would call a social study and
Speaker 3: just people watching and watching people's careers and seeing patterns.
Speaker 3: A lot of it is seeing patterns, I would say.
Speaker 3: And once you understand the basics of how energy works,
Speaker 3: you really start to see where curses come in. And
Speaker 3: people don't want to talk about curses because again, that's scary,
Speaker 3: you know, that's on a ghost level. Yeah, and especially
Speaker 3: in the West, we are not accustomed to speaking openly
Speaker 3: about that sort of thing either. And other countries and
Speaker 3: other cultures that's different, you know, it's a little more common,
Speaker 3: and there are daily things that people do to kind
Speaker 3: of ward against curses and that sort of thing. But
Speaker 3: here in the West, we're kind of left to our
Speaker 3: own devices a bit. And the only time we hear
Speaker 3: or think about curses, especially in terms of sports, is
Speaker 3: like baseball or something big like Red Sox, you know,
Speaker 3: the Cubs. But if big franchises and let's say, you know,
Speaker 3: whoever's on the cover of Madden this year, if they're
Speaker 3: susceptible to curses, well everyone is that it's not just
Speaker 3: picking professionals, you know, it's not going on text bracket alone.
Speaker 3: This is actually something.
Speaker 4: That affects all of us.
Speaker 3: And I think it's time that, you know, people really
Speaker 3: start paying attention to that, because it is, like you said,
Speaker 3: something that people just don't even really think about in
Speaker 3: terms of injury and slumps and just bizarre failures. And
Speaker 3: that's on the field and off everything that we talk about.
Speaker 3: Of course, it has an athletic application, but it also
Speaker 3: has a real life application to So everything you can
Speaker 3: learn that can help your golf game will also help you,
Speaker 3: you know, in the boardroom or just every day with
Speaker 3: your family. And curses, the best way to think of
Speaker 3: them is really the opposite of blessings. If you believe
Speaker 3: in blessings and the power of prayer, then you pretty
Speaker 3: much automatically believe in curses too. They go hand in hand.
Speaker 3: It's just poor opposites. If you're praying for someone and
Speaker 3: sending them blessings, you are sending them a river of
Speaker 3: good vibes, You're sending them good energy. But if you're
Speaker 3: in your head saying, oh, I hope that person you
Speaker 3: know doesn't make it to the meeting, today, you're actually
Speaker 3: sending them bad energy. Or if you're on the golf
Speaker 3: course and you're saying miss it, miss it in your head,
Speaker 3: you're actually sending.
Speaker 4: Out a curse.
Speaker 2: Yes you are, you are, and you don't.
Speaker 4: Even realize it.
Speaker 3: And so when we talk hand in hand of blessings
Speaker 3: and curses, you also have to start talking about karmic return.
Speaker 3: And this is where we can kind of control what
Speaker 3: goes out and comes back at us by how we
Speaker 3: start to treat others and ourselves, because a lot of
Speaker 3: it is, you know, self mindset of how you view yourself.
Speaker 3: If you think, oh, gosh, I'm a loser, I can't
Speaker 3: make this putt, then you're not gonna make it. You're
Speaker 3: cursing yourself, you know. And that's really what the book
Speaker 3: goes into. And it's an element of what I call
Speaker 3: energy management, and that is the active monitoring of your
Speaker 3: own personal energy so that you can use it to
Speaker 3: one defend against curses and low energy that may sabotage
Speaker 3: your game, whether that's coming from someone else or yourself.
Speaker 4: And then it also can.
Speaker 3: Help you with your overall wellness and your personal health
Speaker 3: and help you just live a better, happier life and
Speaker 3: get a lot of low negative energy out of your way,
Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, a lot of
Speaker 3: times we're our own worst enemy when it comes to mindset.
Speaker 1: Right. Right, So when you referred to the being in
Speaker 1: the West, I'm assuming you're mean the global West and
Speaker 1: you're talking about the United States and our and our
Speaker 1: young civilization. But I am a lifelong Californian, so I'm
Speaker 1: in the West.
Speaker 2: So when you say that, but you.
Speaker 1: Tell me where you came from where, because doesn't exist
Speaker 1: where I am.
Speaker 2: But you have issues like this that are part of
Speaker 2: the culture. Where did you grow up.
Speaker 3: That I actually grew up in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, And go, okay,
Speaker 3: you're very well. My family at least we're very used
Speaker 3: to you know, voodoo.
Speaker 4: Who do you know Creole magic?
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, everywhere it's a way of a family,
Speaker 1: a family there. And they took us to a haunted
Speaker 1: it was in actually it was in New Orleans, near Orleans,
Speaker 1: and it was they like took us to haunted houses. Right,
Speaker 1: it's like a regular part of the culture there.
Speaker 4: It is. It is, It definitely is.
Speaker 3: There's actually a law in New Orleans where I'm not
Speaker 3: positive it's still on the books, but I know it
Speaker 3: used to be where if you're selling a house you
Speaker 3: have to divulge if it's haunted or not, and sometimes
Speaker 3: that's a selling point.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: But it is. It's a it's just part of the
Speaker 4: culture where we are.
Speaker 3: And then it's also taboo at the same time too,
Speaker 3: which is odd, but I guess that's because of you're
Speaker 3: still in the Bible belt, and a lot of times
Speaker 3: when you start talking about energy openly, people who are
Speaker 3: from fundamental Christian backgrounds or traditional religious backgrounds can really
Speaker 3: like put up a wall and they think, you know,
Speaker 3: this might be spiritually risky, but it's not. And I
Speaker 3: think that's a common misconception that we do need to
Speaker 3: clear up because it can be scary. I was raised
Speaker 3: in a Baptist church. My mother's Catholic. Like I understand
Speaker 3: you get the wide eyes when you start talking about curses.
Speaker 3: So I would say that it is a mixed bag
Speaker 3: still even where I live in New Orleans where we
Speaker 3: moved from. But I think that athletes in particular are
Speaker 3: a group that is primed to learn about the power
Speaker 3: of energy and how it can help them because athletes
Speaker 3: are teachable, and they're coachable, and they're typically results based,
Speaker 3: so they'll try almost anything, even if it's a little unorthodox.
Speaker 3: I would say, you know, they're usually willing to give
Speaker 3: something a try, and there are most athletes are already
Speaker 3: used to visualization practices, and that's a lot of what
Speaker 3: this is based upon is visualization.
Speaker 1: I'm curious to know how your family feels about you
Speaker 1: bringing up this topic publicly and it's like, don't go there.
Speaker 1: Are they concerned about it? Does it make them nervous
Speaker 1: or they're all, yeah, go for it.
Speaker 3: I would say that it's been there's been a progression.
Speaker 3: At first, it was just.
Speaker 4: Mallory. She's just crazy.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I would just talk about wild things and you know,
Speaker 3: that's okay. I was always you know, they're used to
Speaker 3: me exploring topics. You know, I'm very open to exploring,
Speaker 3: and I think they thought maybe that's what this was
Speaker 3: at first, And actually, I guess I should say in
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, in Baton Rouge, we had a really.
Speaker 4: Historic flood.
Speaker 3: It was a great flood and we were affected by
Speaker 3: it and I got really sick afterwards from being in
Speaker 3: the water, and I honestly thought I was.
Speaker 4: Like possibly dying. It was that bad.
Speaker 3: I was unable to eat, my body just stopped accepting food,
Speaker 3: and I'd gone in and out of hospitals and emergency
Speaker 3: rooms just trying to find answers. And of course all
Speaker 3: the test results are fine, you know you're in perfect health. No,
Speaker 3: I'm absolutely not. I'm like gray. And that's really when
Speaker 3: I started looking into the energy side of mindset and
Speaker 3: health and where those connections were of wellness, because it
Speaker 3: came to a point where I knew doctors weren't clearly
Speaker 3: not going to be able to help me. It was
Speaker 3: up to me, and I had to figure out how
Speaker 3: to pick myself up off the couch and just say
Speaker 3: I'm going to do this, I'm going to live, I'm
Speaker 3: going to be I'm going to be well again. And
Speaker 3: it was a journey through the health part and then
Speaker 3: figuring out that health and your surroundings and also your
Speaker 3: behavior all contribute to your overall wellness. And that's really
Speaker 3: when I started connecting the dots of energy management. And
Speaker 3: really it's all about self awareness and radical honesty of
Speaker 3: things you need to change and actually making those changes
Speaker 3: and not just saying okay, well this will make me better.
Speaker 4: But you actually have to do it too.
Speaker 3: And that's how I started connecting the dots of energy management,
Speaker 3: mindset and results of physical results that you could actually see,
Speaker 3: and healing like rebound of healing. And that's also where
Speaker 3: I started seeing where I was cursing myself in areas
Speaker 3: of mindset, and then how my environment around me was
Speaker 3: not conducive to healing and it was not conducive to
Speaker 3: being a better person either.
Speaker 4: And then, as we discuss in the book, when.
Speaker 3: You rectify all those issues, you actually start seeing immense
Speaker 3: benefits and durability, your increase durability.
Speaker 4: And when you.
Speaker 3: Can get all of that out of your way and
Speaker 3: then have that self awareness moving forward, you can apply
Speaker 3: it to a game, any game, the game of life,
Speaker 3: game of chess, golf, anything, and you really can become
Speaker 3: more in control of what happens to you on and
Speaker 3: off the field. And I think once they saw my family,
Speaker 3: once they saw that this was becoming a way of
Speaker 3: life and not just talking points, then they started listening.
Speaker 3: And then slowly I could see that they it was
Speaker 3: syncing in what I was saying, and I could see
Speaker 3: that they were also applying some things to their lives
Speaker 3: and seeing results as well.
Speaker 4: So I would say it's been kind of a lead by.
Speaker 3: Example situation, but you do have to be ready for
Speaker 3: people just to look at you like your nuts at first. Absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 3: but it just comes with the territory.
Speaker 1: But what came first, so clearly your your illness, and
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you're better and you're back. But
Speaker 1: where where did how did it get from there to
Speaker 1: start working with athletes.
Speaker 3: I've actually always been involved with sports pretty much all
Speaker 3: of my life.
Speaker 4: I worked in sports.
Speaker 3: I was a writer for a football magazine in Baton Rouge,
Speaker 3: Louisiana Football Magazine. I also worked for Marucci Back Company,
Speaker 3: which is now Marucci Sports.
Speaker 4: And life for.
Speaker 3: Me always revolved around sports with my family, you know,
Speaker 3: going to L s U football games and anything on
Speaker 3: the Tigers schedule was you know, that's just what you did.
Speaker 4: It's a way of life.
Speaker 3: Sports and life in general have never been separate. They've
Speaker 3: there's always been an element of play, and I think
Speaker 3: that is really important, and having an element of play
Speaker 3: and keeping it play and not being too serious about it.
Speaker 3: And something that you know you can use is camaraderie
Speaker 3: with friends or family.
Speaker 4: And it's it's a bonding experience.
Speaker 3: It was something I always did with my dad, and
Speaker 3: you know, I liked baseball, he liked baseball, so we
Speaker 3: went together, you know, And so sports have meant family
Speaker 3: for me. Really, it's there's there's there's no separation whatsoever.
Speaker 3: So that naturally led into my career. And then, like
Speaker 3: I said, I was a nonprofit fundraiser and put on
Speaker 3: a lot of golf tournaments. And then when I was,
Speaker 3: like I said, going through everything I went through, I
Speaker 3: started writing about it. I'm naturally a writer, so I'm
Speaker 3: writing about what I know, and I started out on
Speaker 3: the health side of things, and then feminine issues, women's
Speaker 3: life issues, that kind of thing, And honestly, there was not.
Speaker 4: A lot of response.
Speaker 3: People are happy how they are, most of them. And
Speaker 3: then I saw this opening. I guess I would mostly
Speaker 3: say that it was shown to me that athletes are
Speaker 3: a group that are primed for this type of learning,
Speaker 3: and it, like we've talked about, it has game time
Speaker 3: and life benefits, and I think it's also really needed
Speaker 3: right now. I guess about a year ago, I was
Speaker 3: at home visiting in Baton Rouge and watching the news
Speaker 3: with my dad and I was sitting there and this
Speaker 3: story came on and it was all about how they
Speaker 3: were having to cancel high school football games because they
Speaker 3: couldn't get referees, because the referees themselves were afraid of
Speaker 3: the students, the student athletes because problems they'd have a games,
Speaker 3: and then parents, and that they did not feel enough
Speaker 3: to actually come and officiate a high school game. And
Speaker 3: this was going on across the state. It was, you know,
Speaker 3: state news. It wasn't just happening in one city. And
Speaker 3: that floored me. And you know, the base of energy management,
Speaker 3: a lot of it is our mindset, how we treat
Speaker 3: each other's, how we treat people, coming back to the
Speaker 3: golden rule, and I felt like this was an opportunity
Speaker 3: to try to get a sportsmanship message out there that's
Speaker 3: a little different. That's not just oh, you need to
Speaker 3: be a good person. But if you come to someone
Speaker 3: and say, look, if you do this, this and this,
Speaker 3: and you're nicer and you're more of a sportsman in
Speaker 3: your day to day life with your team, with your family,
Speaker 3: you can actually enhance your athletic performance. That's coming at
Speaker 3: it from a different angle, that's saying, okay, tell me
Speaker 3: more you know what other kind of benefits can I get?
Speaker 3: Is it really connected? It's not just being a good person.
Speaker 3: I can actually control if I'm in a slump, if
Speaker 3: I'm being you know, not so nice to my coach,
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. And that's true. And so I
Speaker 3: think that really opens up a conversation and hopefully you
Speaker 3: can fill a gap in really reviving sportsmanship in our
Speaker 3: society because I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: that's really what we need. And that goes from you know,
Speaker 3: high school kids on a football field to you know,
Speaker 3: grown men at a golf tournaments seeing wild things you know,
Speaker 3: on a golf Absolutely too.
Speaker 1: That's one of the things I work with the First
Speaker 1: t program, and I work with six to ten year
Speaker 1: old kids on teaching them golf. But it's more to
Speaker 1: me about teaching them what golf can teach you about
Speaker 1: life and how you can make it work to your benefit.
Speaker 1: I'm curious, do you have any siblings.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I'm actually an only child.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you and your dad go watch baseball games.
Speaker 1: I gotta believe if you grew up in Baton Rouge
Speaker 1: that you went to college baseball games. Yes, yes, absolutely, Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I want to get I want to talk
Speaker 1: more about the book. I want to get into the
Speaker 1: book and and talk about energy management, which is such
Speaker 1: an interesting concept and how you got from that to curses.
Speaker 2: But we'll do that when we come back.
Speaker 1: After Okay, all right, Mallory, I'm gonna I've you know,
Speaker 1: isolated a bunch of quotes from your book. I'm still
Speaker 1: reading it because I just got it the other day.
Speaker 1: We set this up quickly, and everyone should know that.
Speaker 1: Her website is Energetic Athlete, Energetic Athletics dot com, Energeticathletics
Speaker 1: dot com. And like early on, you're saying, being able
Speaker 1: to success fully rally yourself and the people around you
Speaker 1: while motivating them to reach greater heights together is an
Speaker 1: extremely valuable skill. Okay, so now we're talking about coaching,
Speaker 1: but a lot of what we're talking about here is
Speaker 1: coaching yourself right.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, and being able to be your own cheerleader
Speaker 3: and understanding that sometimes there's no one else in the
Speaker 3: stands rooting for you. You have to be it, and
Speaker 3: you have to be okay with that one and know
Speaker 3: how to do it, know how to cheer yourself on,
Speaker 3: and like you said, you have to be your own
Speaker 3: coach sometimes that you know.
Speaker 4: It is you.
Speaker 3: It's you on the field, you know when it comes
Speaker 3: down to it. And that's really the beauty of sports too,
Speaker 3: is just the lessons that we can learn from ourselves.
Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, we're really competing
Speaker 3: against ourselves, not someone else.
Speaker 1: Right, right, play the course, your opponent, and especially in golf.
Speaker 1: So I was hooked in the introduction of the book
Speaker 1: because you talked about being a cheerleader and you have
Speaker 1: to be a cheerleader.
Speaker 2: And I've always been that kind of person. In high school.
Speaker 1: I did that was because I just wanted to be
Speaker 1: in front of a microphone in high school. Was like
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a jockie, right, so it's like
Speaker 1: give me a microphone and let's see what happens. And
Speaker 1: I did that for a couple of years in high
Speaker 1: school and was just loved it. But I've also been
Speaker 1: the guy who always got the T shirt to like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're doing this right, And my kids are like, oh God, relax,
Speaker 1: but they're also kind of like that themselves. We're all
Speaker 1: even my granddaughter, it's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1: We're you know, we're all cheerleaders. In that sense, So
Speaker 1: that jumped out at me immediately. I'm like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna like this.
Speaker 3: So really is like cheerleading is so important and we
Speaker 3: don't always get that, especially when we have to do
Speaker 3: it for ourselves, because that can be really hard. And
Speaker 3: like you said, we kind of go through I guess
Speaker 3: cycles where we can you know, muster up everything we
Speaker 3: need and then then that kind of wilts a little bit.
Speaker 3: And that's energy management too, and we talk about how
Speaker 3: to keep that durability up, how to keep that positive
Speaker 3: mindset because it is easy, like things are going to happen,
Speaker 3: You're going to you know, completely miss the tee. There's
Speaker 3: you know, it's just it's you're going to have a
Speaker 3: bad day. So you have to be able to you know,
Speaker 3: get over it pretty much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly, uh Page eighteen.
Speaker 2: You are responsible for the type of energy.
Speaker 1: You choose to extend and express, whether high or low.
Speaker 1: The energy you put out will always be returned to you.
Speaker 5: Going back to karma, Yes, karma, and that's a major
Speaker 5: major part of energy management, is karma management and just
Speaker 5: trying to keep our vibration and the energy of our
Speaker 5: own personal energy as high as possible or neutral.
Speaker 3: We kind of go into that too, the power of neutrality.
Speaker 3: But where people don't always I would say where they're
Speaker 3: not as mindful is with our surroundings, and that can
Speaker 3: be the people we associate with, our family, our household,
Speaker 3: the vibe of our office, this wherever you spend the
Speaker 3: most of your time. The energy of those places are important,
Speaker 3: and we resonate with whatever we are around. Whatever we ingest,
Speaker 3: and ingesting does always mean food, that means what we
Speaker 3: watch on TV, what we listen to, the music we
Speaker 3: listen to is extremely important and that all affects our resonance,
Speaker 3: and we will simplify it to high and low, just
Speaker 3: you know, for ease, and the higher your resonance, the
Speaker 3: higher more positive experiences, whether that's sinking a putt or
Speaker 3: you know, just having good outcomes in life, You're going.
Speaker 4: To have more of that.
Speaker 3: The higher energy you keep around you. So that is
Speaker 3: a part of energy management, being able to be self
Speaker 3: aware enough to say, maybe I shouldn't be, you know,
Speaker 3: going out late on this night before a big game.
Speaker 3: You know, that's weakening my energy, or just little things.
Speaker 3: Maybe I should be getting more rest or maybe I
Speaker 3: shouldn't be hanging out with this person who's kind of
Speaker 3: draining me a little, you know, or whatever you're eating
Speaker 3: or drinking. If you're addicted to energy drinks or things
Speaker 3: like that, that can really diminish your energy and cause you,
Speaker 3: you know, body mind, spirit to go down a little bit.
Speaker 3: And that also affects your play. It's all connected. Everything
Speaker 3: is connected everything we do, and.
Speaker 4: It's really.
Speaker 3: I would call it. It changes in real time, I
Speaker 3: would say. So, just like you're talking about being able
Speaker 3: to cheerlead yourself, you can flip the energy really quick.
Speaker 4: But you have to do it.
Speaker 3: You have to stop and say, Okay, I'm feeling really
Speaker 3: mad or upset. This is okay. This is you know,
Speaker 3: a human experience. It's okay to feel mad or angry
Speaker 3: that you are just having a terrible game. But let's
Speaker 3: figure it out. Let's bring it up a little and
Speaker 3: at least just have fun, you know, trying to find
Speaker 3: the silver lining and just bringing things back to the
Speaker 3: positive as much as we can in order to flip
Speaker 3: the energy, because that's how you can get out of
Speaker 3: slumps and that sort of thing. And that's where it
Speaker 3: comes in really handy when you apply it to athletics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I could, I could easily bring it
Speaker 1: back and ask you to bring it back to golf.
Speaker 1: But I think that the audience is skilled enough at
Speaker 1: this point, if they're an audience member of this show,
Speaker 1: to understand how this relates to golf and what they
Speaker 1: can do on their own to use this information to
Speaker 1: their advantage. So I'm going to highly recommend the book.
Speaker 1: I if this, if this connects with you, check the
Speaker 1: book out. We'll get more into that later. But let's
Speaker 1: go into the types of curses you talk about. Now,
Speaker 1: we've talked about energy, we're talking about curses. We're going
Speaker 1: back and forth and we will continue to do that
Speaker 1: because that's what this book is about. Uh So let's
Speaker 1: let's talk about the types of curses.
Speaker 3: Yes, And like you said, all all this energy that
Speaker 3: we're talking about and curses, it's all intertwined, it all
Speaker 3: works together, it's all interconnected. So the types of curses
Speaker 3: we talk about two categories, which is conscious that's curses
Speaker 3: that I'm saying, I'm laying a.
Speaker 4: Hex on you.
Speaker 3: You know that you might hear about that kind of thing,
Speaker 3: and like witchcraft or you know, it doesn't have to
Speaker 3: be ritualized. It doesn't have to be spells, but it
Speaker 3: can be. But conscious is just I'm doing this on
Speaker 3: purpose and I know what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: That's the first category. The second category.
Speaker 2: Spells, that's that's from your neck of the woods.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, incantations, that kind of thing when you're talking
Speaker 3: about like voodoo dolls, sending you know that kind of thing,
Speaker 3: black magic, that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: And I know that wild no, but I just want
Speaker 1: to I want to put it out there. If if
Speaker 1: you're listening and you live in Louisiana and this is
Speaker 1: resonating so well, so well with you, please let me know,
Speaker 1: Please write to me. I'd love to hear from you
Speaker 1: to say, oh, yeah, that's that's how we grew up,
Speaker 1: no problem, so go ahead.
Speaker 3: And so conscious curses and then we have unconscious curses,
Speaker 3: which is really that's what we deal with mostly. I
Speaker 3: would say, like you and me on a day to
Speaker 3: day basis, because we don't understand that we're doing it
Speaker 3: a lot of the times. And an unconscious curse is
Speaker 3: me in my head saying I hope he misses that shot.
Speaker 3: That's an unconscious curse, or me saying, oh I can't
Speaker 3: stand that person I hope they don't come to the
Speaker 3: Christmas party, you know, just like that's sending negative energy
Speaker 3: towards someone. And you know, we're not taught that, we're
Speaker 3: not we're not given the information that that is actually
Speaker 3: doing something. But you know, everything is energy, the thoughts
Speaker 3: ideas everything. So when we're thinking in our heads, you know,
Speaker 3: I want that person to you know, let's say I
Speaker 3: don't know, I want that person to fail. That is
Speaker 3: laying an unconscious curse. Whether you understand that you're doing
Speaker 3: it or not, you're still cursing someone.
Speaker 4: And that's that's.
Speaker 3: What we also do to ourselves, is unconscious curses typically,
Speaker 3: and that can be actual cursing, like language like saying
Speaker 3: you know, f me, you know that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: You're cursing yourself. That's an unconscious curse. You don't really
Speaker 3: know you're doing it. If you knew you were, I
Speaker 3: think you'd probably stop. And so those are the two
Speaker 3: main categories, conscious and unconscious. And what we go into
Speaker 3: is that we really can't control what other people send
Speaker 3: our way. I can't control where your mind's going. And
Speaker 3: if you're saying, oh, I hope she fails, but I
Speaker 3: can control my own energy and my own energy body,
Speaker 3: which when you start to learn about connecting to your
Speaker 3: energy body, you start to understand that it is actually
Speaker 3: your personal defense system, and we can strengthen this energy
Speaker 3: system to be able to ward against curses unconscious or conscious.
Speaker 3: And so that's where we move from. There is okay,
Speaker 3: this is what curses are. These are how they're sent
Speaker 3: to us. They're just thought projections. It's just the opposite
Speaker 3: of blessings, you know, So it's not anything to be
Speaker 3: afraid of, is really what the book focuses on, because
Speaker 3: fear feeds curses regards wardless of if I send it,
Speaker 3: or if I'm sending them to myself, or if someone
Speaker 3: else send it to me. If I start falling into
Speaker 3: fear or fearful mindsets or a low energy, if it
Speaker 3: starts affecting me and then I start piling onto it,
Speaker 3: it creates a snowball effect and it will just get
Speaker 3: worse and worse. But if you have a strong energetic
Speaker 3: defense system, if you have a strong shield, you are
Speaker 3: a lot less affected by these thought forms that are
Speaker 3: coming at you, and your game is protected in a sense,
Speaker 3: and you can learn how to clear these things out
Speaker 3: of your field. If they get stuck in your field,
Speaker 3: so that other people saying miss it, miss it, miss
Speaker 3: it doesn't actually make you miss.
Speaker 1: It's that you keep talking about energy the way you are,
Speaker 1: not energy fields, but your own personal energy. When my
Speaker 1: younger son was probably in third or fourth grade, the
Speaker 1: teacher pulled him aside said mister Green, you've got a
Speaker 1: lot of energy, and he went, well, that's my name
Speaker 1: spelled backwards.
Speaker 2: Because it's g R E E N E backwards is
Speaker 2: E N E R G energy.
Speaker 1: And he came home and told us that was like,
Speaker 1: where did you How did you come up with that?
Speaker 1: Have you never even thought of that? I don't know,
Speaker 1: just sort of looked like to me, it's like, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: my energy, high energy, high energy kid. Definitely hi, high
Speaker 1: energy family. Absolutely, I've had I have now two daughters
Speaker 1: in law.
Speaker 2: It's like I can't keep up with you guys.
Speaker 1: When you all get together, it's you know, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: loud and proud.
Speaker 2: Okay, good thing. Yeah it's a great thing.
Speaker 1: Let's get back to self sabotage and how it relates
Speaker 1: to golfers all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I would say.
Speaker 3: The biggest thing that I see pattern wise for cursing
Speaker 3: yourself and sabotaging yourself in your own game is attitude
Speaker 3: and language. You know, our attitudes really control everything that
Speaker 3: come at us. Like if if you have a bad attitude,
Speaker 3: you're probably going to have things that come at you
Speaker 3: that make you have even more of a bad attitude.
Speaker 3: If you have a positive attitude, you're going to have
Speaker 3: experiences that enhance that positive attitude. It really is about resonance,
Speaker 3: and we can control that. And one way is our attitude.
Speaker 3: Even if you know things aren't going your way during
Speaker 3: the game, you have to be able to come back
Speaker 3: to uh why you played to begin with. You need
Speaker 3: to bring it back to fun. You need to be Okay,
Speaker 3: maybe I'm having a bad day, but at least I'm
Speaker 3: out in nature, you know, green grass, blue sky, there's
Speaker 3: fresh air. Like look for the silver linings, look for
Speaker 3: the good things. Look for something to pull you out
Speaker 3: of that slump, you know, out of that energetic slump,
Speaker 3: because that's what it is. And you have to be
Speaker 3: able to recognize, Okay, I need to fix this. It's
Speaker 3: all about self accountability. I can't fix self hexes for you.
Speaker 3: You have to fix them for yourself. And one of
Speaker 3: that one of the ways we do that is controlling
Speaker 3: our language. And you know, cursing does exactly that. Cursing
Speaker 3: curses you. So if you can clean up your language
Speaker 3: on the course and off, you're going to find that
Speaker 3: there's a lot less resistance coming at you because you're
Speaker 3: not cursing your self anymore. And you know, language in general,
Speaker 3: when we talk about like magic and that sort of thing,
Speaker 3: you start seeing the similarities of just spelling and spells
Speaker 3: and cursing and curses. Like language is so important, and
Speaker 3: how we talk to ourselves is so important, you know,
Speaker 3: as well as how we talk to others. But how
Speaker 3: we talk to ourselves is an area that really everybody
Speaker 3: could use help with.
Speaker 1: I think, oh absolutely, And it leads to what you
Speaker 1: talk about us our ultimate superpowers.
Speaker 3: Your calm is your superpower. It absolutely is in you know,
Speaker 3: every situation pretty much, calm will save you almost every time.
Speaker 3: That's the lesson I've had to learn, and I think
Speaker 3: especially athletes and young athletes, I think it's important that
Speaker 3: the learn that too, and that you know, it's easy
Speaker 3: to fly off the rails when things go bad. It
Speaker 3: is hard to keep yourself centered and stay calm. But
Speaker 3: the more you do it, the easier it becomes. It
Speaker 3: is just like a muscle. You have to practice getting
Speaker 3: over it, almost like time trials, like how how quickly
Speaker 3: can I just move on? How quickly can I even
Speaker 3: just forget about it? Put it behind you? And you know,
Speaker 3: even if that's just going back to the fun and
Speaker 3: trying to remember, you know, the little kid that wanted
Speaker 3: to be a golfer, you know, trying to hang on
Speaker 3: to those things, that really helps. But language and attitude
Speaker 3: are really the biggest ways we sabotage ourselves. And I
Speaker 3: think we know that it's like common sense, but we
Speaker 3: don't always apply it to our lives.
Speaker 1: Right, right, and brings it brings back the neutrality part.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the power of neutrality, and so you're calm,
Speaker 1: being calm, being a superpower. But explain how neutrality works
Speaker 1: in that again on the golf course.
Speaker 3: On the golf course, especially golf is really a good
Speaker 3: place to start practicing energy management because it's an individual sport.
Speaker 3: You can do trial and error and see how things
Speaker 3: are working for you easier than say, with an entire team.
Speaker 3: So I would say that when you are on the course,
Speaker 3: when you are able to reach that neutral space. And
Speaker 3: we don't mean blank when we say neutral. It's just
Speaker 3: if I make this shot, yeah, I'm going to celebrate
Speaker 3: and it's going to be an amazing day and I'm
Speaker 3: buying everyone drinks. But if I won't make it, that's
Speaker 3: okay too. It's been a good day, you know, we're here.
Speaker 3: That's neutrality. It's not having an attachment to that outcome
Speaker 3: of oh, if I don't make this shot, you know,
Speaker 3: the world's gonna end or you know, and that gets tough,
Speaker 3: especially when you know we bet on holes or there's
Speaker 3: money involved and things like that that can get difficult
Speaker 3: to get back to, you know, just the pure essence
Speaker 3: of the game and that enjoyability and what it was
Speaker 3: truly meant to be, you know in the beginning. But
Speaker 3: that neutrality really just it connects you with the flow.
Speaker 3: And like as we said, everything is connected in or connected,
Speaker 3: and especially in golf. When you're just in the middle
Speaker 3: of beautiful nature and you know you have grass under
Speaker 3: your feet and the sky above, you connect with that
Speaker 3: flow when you're in that neutral state, and you will
Speaker 3: see that it actually improves your physical ability. Your calm
Speaker 3: mental state allows the physical to follow suit. And find success.
Speaker 3: It's all connected, and if we can maintain those calm states,
Speaker 3: it really will improve every area of your life, including
Speaker 3: your game. It's really fascinating to see how easy it
Speaker 3: is and that it really is all about imagination. It's
Speaker 3: as simple as imagining your own energetic bubble around you
Speaker 3: and just clearing that with your mind and then.
Speaker 4: Taking your shot. It can be that easy.
Speaker 3: It is not time consuming, I know, Like in the book,
Speaker 3: it walks you through steps of all the different exercises
Speaker 3: and how to connect and how to start becoming more
Speaker 3: in tune with your own energy. And I think sometimes
Speaker 3: when we break things down step by step, it can
Speaker 3: almost get more difficult.
Speaker 4: And it truly is.
Speaker 3: As simple as connecting to this big bubble of energy
Speaker 3: that we all have around us and learning how to
Speaker 3: enhance that energetic field and get it as strong as
Speaker 3: possible so that life and gameplay becomes a breeze and
Speaker 3: more enjoyable too. I feel that energy management, when applied
Speaker 3: to athletics, puts the enjoyment back into it for a
Speaker 3: lot of folks, that it's not just this slog of
Speaker 3: something that's kicking my butt and you know, I'm just
Speaker 3: not excelling at you can. It really puts perspective I
Speaker 3: believe back into play and I do think play is
Speaker 3: so important just in all aspects of our lives.
Speaker 2: You mentioned just a few minutes ago.
Speaker 1: It reminded me of an episode that we did years
Speaker 1: ago that was called NATO Golf NATO being not attached
Speaker 1: to outcome. You talked about not being attached outcome and
Speaker 1: how that can help, and there you go. It's it's
Speaker 1: a recurring theme here. But the two is it three
Speaker 1: sentences but ten words nine words that you wrote in
Speaker 1: the book that flew off the page to me. And
Speaker 1: I was so happy when I went to your website
Speaker 1: and saw those words on your video that you put
Speaker 1: on it's control your emotions, control your energy, control the game.
Speaker 4: Yes, i'd come up with that.
Speaker 2: That is so good, so good. I love that. I
Speaker 2: think that's the name of this episode.
Speaker 4: By the way, Oh, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And that's that's just the reality.
Speaker 3: A lot of it comes down to being able to say, Okay, Mallory,
Speaker 3: get it under control, you know, stop letting the thoughts
Speaker 3: fly and bring it back to center, have a little
Speaker 3: fun and just do it. You know, it really can
Speaker 3: be that simple. It really can, and it all comes
Speaker 3: back to control and that controlling of emotion, control your energy,
Speaker 3: and it really does lead to controlling the game as
Speaker 3: much as you yeah, right.
Speaker 1: As much as you can, because once the ball leaves
Speaker 1: the club face, it's out of your control.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you have to allow that absolutely, absolutely, And
Speaker 3: then we can also talk about that kind of thing,
Speaker 3: the power positive thinking of when that ball is in
Speaker 3: the air, what happens to it? You know, when you're saying, okay,
Speaker 3: hole in one hole in one hole and one hole
Speaker 3: in one versus oh no, oh no, oh no, what
Speaker 3: effect does that have on the ball?
Speaker 4: It absolutely has an effect.
Speaker 3: Yes, everything is energy, and so when that thought form
Speaker 3: of oh no, oh no is applied, you're gonna get
Speaker 3: oh no. Usually, But if you're applying yes, got it,
Speaker 3: or I'm a winner.
Speaker 4: Or whatever your.
Speaker 3: Whatever your mission is in that moment, you have a
Speaker 3: much greater chance and probability of that actually occurring. And
Speaker 3: that comes back to visualization of say it, see it, do.
Speaker 2: It right right? Uh?
Speaker 1: And here you said you you are responsible for cursing yourself.
Speaker 1: I'm reading right from the book here. In fact, we're
Speaker 1: usually our own biggest oppressor. This can come as a shock,
Speaker 1: but it should also be a relief. If we are
Speaker 1: acting as our own worst enemy, then it should be
Speaker 1: easy to stop, right, those are your words.
Speaker 3: Technically it should be easy, right, And that's where self
Speaker 3: awareness comes in and self accountability. You can know all
Speaker 3: day that you know, cursing myself is going to give
Speaker 3: me a higher chance of you know, failure, outcomes or
Speaker 3: just outcomes not as as good as.
Speaker 4: They could be.
Speaker 3: But it's up to me to actually apply that knowledge.
Speaker 3: You can know something, but if you don't apply it,
Speaker 3: do you really know it?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all about self accountability. You have to become
Speaker 3: in control of your own game. You can only be
Speaker 3: as good as you make yourself, you know, and that
Speaker 3: takes effort, just like anything else Athletically, you have to
Speaker 3: practice mindset takes practice, visualization takes practice. Commanding energy, which
Speaker 3: we get into in the book, takes practice, and it
Speaker 3: just takes actually doing it a lot of times. With
Speaker 3: energy work and that sort of thing, people automatically assume
Speaker 3: there's a lot of like ritual involved or anything like that,
Speaker 3: and so they shy away. They just don't want to
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 4: But there's not. You really only need your.
Speaker 3: Focused intention, but you have to make a point to
Speaker 3: create that focused intention. You have to actually go through
Speaker 3: the steps and do the work because there is a
Speaker 3: little bit of work involved. But once you get the
Speaker 3: rhythm of it, it's nothing. It's just like swinging a club.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing. Wow. So this is just it's.
Speaker 1: It's a great reminder for all of us on how
Speaker 1: we should be out there on the golf course.
Speaker 2: But it's also a new way of looking at it.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I've done so many topics on mindfulness
Speaker 1: and zen and mental game, emotional, all those things, but
Speaker 1: this is a different approach that I really appreciate and
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying the book very much. So again, the book
Speaker 1: is called Energetic Athletics. The website is Energeticathletics dot com
Speaker 1: and that'll be in the show notes. But you also
Speaker 1: talked about you're a filmmaker, a documentary filmmaker. Can you
Speaker 1: share anything you're working on.
Speaker 4: Yes, Actually it's sort of golf related.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: Our big documentary that we're about to we're almost finished with,
Speaker 3: We're light at the end of the tunnel right now,
Speaker 3: is about Jim McMahon, the quarterback for the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Championship Bears.
Speaker 4: Yes, Bears Bears.
Speaker 3: It is about his NFL career, and then also focuses
Speaker 3: actually on his health challenges after the NFL. Jim has
Speaker 3: dealt with CTE and traumatic brain injury, and the documentary
Speaker 3: really goes in.
Speaker 4: It's two parts.
Speaker 3: Really. The first half is Jim and all of his glory,
Speaker 3: and then the second half is what he's really been
Speaker 3: through and it's very eye opening for anyone who puts
Speaker 3: on a football helmet, honestly, but.
Speaker 4: It's hopeful as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's been through a lot, but he's also
Speaker 3: in treatments right now with a chiropractor out of New
Speaker 3: York and they're having fabulous results with a process of
Speaker 3: Atlas balancing, which is non invasive, and it's all about
Speaker 3: his recovery really with that and a lot of of
Speaker 3: his mindset is actually in the movie. And Jim is
Speaker 3: really an amazing character. We've been filming for several years now,
Speaker 3: so I actually have had the pleasure of following Jim
Speaker 3: around the country to different golf courses and watching him
Speaker 3: play a lot, and it's been an incredible case study
Speaker 3: to watch in action in person and Jim is just
Speaker 3: the master of his own mind.
Speaker 4: He is. It's fascinating it he is.
Speaker 3: If I could hire a poster boy, he would be
Speaker 3: the poster boy for energetic athletics because he just is
Speaker 3: naturally so strong. And when you talk about call him
Speaker 3: is your superpower? That is Jim McMahon.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: He he can make things happen.
Speaker 4: And I've seen it in person.
Speaker 3: I've seen it on football film, but in person is
Speaker 3: really incredible to be around. Because it's contagious too, and
Speaker 3: we talk about that in the book. Energy is contagious,
Speaker 3: and then that goes back to who you surround yourself
Speaker 3: with and your energy input, because being around people like Jim,
Speaker 3: you feel the difference you It just does something good
Speaker 3: for your your own personal energy being around him because
Speaker 3: he's positive and he keeps everyone around him positive. And
Speaker 3: that is a great example of leadership and energetic leadership
Speaker 3: because like we said, it really is contagious. So if
Speaker 3: you know your energy is contagious and you take that
Speaker 3: to heart, you're gonna try a little harder to you know,
Speaker 3: stay in those positive mindsets, especially when you're in a
Speaker 3: group setting, so that that doesn't bleed over to the
Speaker 3: rest of the team, because especially in team sports, that
Speaker 3: can happen easily. One person starts having a bad day
Speaker 3: and then everybody's off just the same way that hitting's contageous.
Speaker 2: But what's the name of the movie, Mad Mac.
Speaker 3: The Memory of Jim McMahon. It'll probably be out towards
Speaker 3: the summer, but it's it's really fascinating, and it goes
Speaker 3: into a lot of different areas that deal with what
Speaker 3: we're talking about right here. Maybe not so in your face,
Speaker 3: but they're absolutely there. And I think when people start
Speaker 3: delving into this more and start connecting the dots to
Speaker 3: how energy and athletes and athletics just are all intertwined,
Speaker 3: they'll start seeing in themselves and in other players, who
Speaker 3: is naturally doing it Because a lot of the times
Speaker 3: we're all ready we're already naturally doing this for ourselves.
Speaker 3: We just don't understand. And then you have people like
Speaker 3: Jim who are doing it on turbo and he doesn't
Speaker 3: know he's doing it. He's not going through these steps
Speaker 3: and he's not actively saying, Okay, I'm going to do this,
Speaker 3: this and this, and I'm going to make this happen
Speaker 3: for myself. He's naturally doing it, but you can learn
Speaker 3: how to naturally do it too, So there are two
Speaker 3: sides of the coin, and you will start to see like, Okay,
Speaker 3: he naturally has a very strong energetic shield, and he
Speaker 3: naturally can visualize and make things happen for themselves. But
Speaker 3: it is a skill that we can all learn to do.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, you said it's going to be out this summer.
Speaker 1: Is it streaming or theaters where were?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure where it will be yet, but it'll be,
Speaker 3: you know, streaming that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Well, congratulations on that and looking forward to it,
Speaker 1: and thank you so so much for these insights and
Speaker 1: your book. I really enjoyed it, and I think it's
Speaker 1: worth picking.
Speaker 2: Up and looking at it again.
Speaker 1: It's Energeticathletics dot com and the book Energetic Athletics by
Speaker 1: Malorie Kennedy Mallori.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for coming onto the show.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Fred. I really enjoyed our talk.
Speaker 4: This was wonderful.