Speaker 1: Weird things happened in the.
Speaker 2: Weird, weird, weird.
Speaker 1: Good evening. Okay, that was not actually yeah, yeah, of
Speaker 1: course I say one I said, Yeah, definitely, I say
Speaker 1: one word. I'm already critiqued, but two words. Whatever.
Speaker 3: What about if we switch accents?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, and American. That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: You're doing American?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hear it. Sure, yeah, I would love to.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good if I do say so myself. Not bad,
Speaker 2: not bad, go ahead and try it again, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's give it another go.
Speaker 1: And you see that's what al was saying. I sound
Speaker 1: kind of like, what's that dude's name from the from
Speaker 1: the Thornberry's Nigel?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tim Curry?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Way, I didn't know Nigel Thornberry. That's Tim Curry.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, baby, oh yeah, doctor Frank and Ferd himself.
Speaker 1: Penny wise.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we have a very special episode tonight. And I
Speaker 1: feel like I say that every time I have a guest,
Speaker 1: and it's because it's true. And we are joined by
Speaker 1: a very good friend of mine all the way from
Speaker 1: you guys live in Yorkshire, Yorkshire, England. And before I
Speaker 1: go into all that, I would like to talk about
Speaker 1: how we met each other because I think it's very insane.
Speaker 1: So we're joined tonight by Aaron Hello, very very talented
Speaker 1: musical prodigy. More on that later. So yeah, let's just
Speaker 1: go into that. So we had been following each other
Speaker 1: for a few years, right, I feel like it was
Speaker 1: probably twenty twenty three something like that.
Speaker 3: Probably, Yeah, yeah, I'd may not have heard about you
Speaker 3: guys before, but I didn't, like, I didn't realize everyone
Speaker 3: was on social media and stuff because I rarely go
Speaker 3: on it these days.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, so it's been a few years that we
Speaker 1: had been following each other, and I had always been
Speaker 1: aware of I want to say I had heard of
Speaker 1: Black Tongue before. I'm not sure. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: that kind of thing where you're exposed to so many
Speaker 1: bands you can't remember what at some points you do
Speaker 1: know and you don't know. But definitely the fabled Infant
Speaker 1: Annihilator and he had followed me, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I like how a conneption followed you back?
Speaker 1: And I feel like it was probably a year two
Speaker 1: years before we got a talking And this is the
Speaker 1: part that I wanted to get into. So we met
Speaker 1: and we became fast friends because we had similar things
Speaker 1: in common, namely like, uh, you could say studies and
Speaker 1: consciousness Monroe Institute. You know, you guys had been seeing
Speaker 1: orbs and things like that. And anyway, like long story short,
Speaker 1: us kind of being aware of each other for years
Speaker 1: and then coming into each other's sphere. I think we
Speaker 1: can all pretty much agree that it was meant to happen.
Speaker 1: And now we are finding ourselves with you staying with
Speaker 1: me in America for like basically two weeks, and I'm
Speaker 1: having a blast. So good times. Welcome to the show, hie,
Speaker 1: happy to be here. Yeah, it's it's honestly insane.
Speaker 2: So yeah. And we also just had a mind blowingly
Speaker 2: delicious Sunday dinner and and English Sunday dinner. Okay, man
Speaker 2: a tea time.
Speaker 3: Tea yeah, tea, not a cup of tea.
Speaker 2: Not a cup of tea. We had a whole lesson downstairs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we got a lesson. You have tea all day? Okay,
Speaker 2: you have tea all day in a cup in a
Speaker 2: cup you, I should say, rather, and I apologize. You
Speaker 2: drink tea all day, yes, but you have tea once
Speaker 2: a day and that's what we called dinner. That's right,
Speaker 2: how about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I always thought that tea time was like
Speaker 1: one o'clock you have a cup of tea, but tea
Speaker 1: means you beat dinner, so anyway.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. I always looked at it like
Speaker 2: a siesta, you know how, like in Spain and Mexico
Speaker 2: and like have a little siesta. Like yeah, I thought
Speaker 2: like tea time was like, all right, we just had
Speaker 2: our lunch. Let's go like have a cup of tea
Speaker 2: and sit for fifteen minutes and drink and talk and
Speaker 2: then we'll get back to whatever we were doing.
Speaker 1: I swear that's how it is on TV. Man, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: There's so much misconceptions there. But yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: feel like we have a lot that we could get into.
Speaker 1: There's many pathways of conversation here, so yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: let's just talk about like some of the similar I
Speaker 1: guess you could say, like meditative experiences that we've had,
Speaker 1: because those like the first time we talked and then
Speaker 1: the following times after that, I feel like every time
Speaker 1: we picked each other's brains. And with Helen, who's with
Speaker 1: us in the studio tonight, we're finding more and more
Speaker 1: and more that we're having similar experiences even before we
Speaker 1: met each other. Are you cool talking about that one?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, No, I'm jing off limit.
Speaker 1: I don't think you know this one yet about what
Speaker 1: we were going to talk about. But do you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about? Like the download you had about
Speaker 1: like shit, yeah, yeah, that one and here you are,
Speaker 1: like we manifested it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like basically do you wanna?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I can't remember, so it was definitely
Speaker 3: before we started talking, and I was doing one of
Speaker 3: the Monroe meditation things. I can't remember which one it was,
Speaker 3: but basically I had like a big flash download and
Speaker 3: basically long story shot involved coming to America, meeting you,
Speaker 3: doing a Monro rich and separately also my one of
Speaker 3: my best friends and vocalists Alex from Black Tongue. He
Speaker 3: was in the kind of download and he went to
Speaker 3: go and like marry his long term, long distance relationship partner,
Speaker 3: which and all of those things have happened, although separately.
Speaker 1: Whoa in Arizona?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? Was this before you guys ever started talking
Speaker 2: in at all? Yes?
Speaker 1: This was years ago, wow, two years ago? He had
Speaker 1: a he had kind of like a vision or down
Speaker 1: the prim about like I need, not need, but like
Speaker 1: I should go to America and somehow don't even know
Speaker 1: the guy go through some sort of meditation program with Ryan.
Speaker 1: He told me that, like last night, really you just found.
Speaker 3: I still got a note on my phone that I
Speaker 3: wrote after the meditation.
Speaker 2: I was just like, do you typically do that when
Speaker 2: you do meditation, take notes and stuff afterwards. I need
Speaker 2: to get into doing that, like taking notes of what
Speaker 2: you know. We did it during the creation state creations. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was awesome and profound, and it helped me remember
Speaker 2: those things and then like going back and reading them later,
Speaker 2: you can like almost kind of like feel the same
Speaker 2: feelings that you were feeling during the moment. So it's
Speaker 2: really valuable. It's just I'm not good at keeping up
Speaker 2: with habits. I'm not either not good ones at least.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's almost like a totem, right, Like
Speaker 1: when you write the notes, it creates this anchor point
Speaker 1: to where when you read them at some time in
Speaker 1: the future you can kind of better recall everything that
Speaker 1: happened around them, which I guess is why we should
Speaker 1: journal dreams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, another thing that I've always wanted to do, yeah,
Speaker 2: journal dreams.
Speaker 3: I always tried to get into the habit of it,
Speaker 3: but then like after maybe like two days, I'll forget
Speaker 3: to do it, and then the next day I'll forget,
Speaker 3: and then by the time I realize, I'm like, oh.
Speaker 2: Exactly, Like they say, if you keep like a dream journal,
Speaker 2: it's supposed to like promote more vivid dreams, You'll start
Speaker 2: having more vivid dreams, more dreams. Lucid dreams was the
Speaker 2: other big one because I have I've had a lot
Speaker 2: of sleeper analysis in my life, and it sometimes when
Speaker 2: I was a kid, it would turn into lucid dreams. Sometimes.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm talking like I would like like at
Speaker 2: least once a month every month for I don't know,
Speaker 2: ten or fifteen years, I would have sleep paralysis. But
Speaker 2: a lot of yeah, like maybe I don't know, twenty
Speaker 2: or thirty percent of the time it would just like
Speaker 2: naturally turn into a lucid dream. And it's been a
Speaker 2: while so I've considered doing it. It's just the same thing.
Speaker 2: I'll do it one night or the second night, and
Speaker 2: then I missed one night and it's over.
Speaker 3: That's just reminded me of something actually, before I started
Speaker 3: to get into all of this like consciousness he stuff.
Speaker 3: I was like a super like hardcore like scientism.
Speaker 1: Like that's a great way to describe it.
Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, just like skeptic, but without actually being what
Speaker 3: the term skepticism means, just being basically ignorant anyway. But
Speaker 3: so it was during that time, I think it was
Speaker 3: probably about twenty or something, and I'd read about I
Speaker 3: can't I think astral projection, but it was before I
Speaker 3: found out about moder or anything, and I remember finding
Speaker 3: like a forum thread or something and it just basically said,
Speaker 3: you have the best way to do it is to
Speaker 3: try to purposefully induce sleep paralysis. So I remember for
Speaker 3: a period of about a week I was trying to
Speaker 3: do that, and then the one night that it finally worked,
Speaker 3: the sleep paralysis part worked, I was like, why the
Speaker 3: fuck have.
Speaker 1: I done this?
Speaker 2: This is horriful.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you've done this.
Speaker 3: And that just put me off for well until this
Speaker 3: kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that the first time you had had sleep paralysis? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Because yeah, it's terrifying.
Speaker 1: Man, I've had it like twice and that's not to have.
Speaker 2: It like when we would have sleepovers and stuff.
Speaker 1: I would literally i'd be like playing Xbox. Because you
Speaker 1: guys know me by now. I'm not a morning person.
Speaker 1: You guys have spent like the last what two mornings
Speaker 1: with me. I'm always the last one downstairs usually. I
Speaker 1: just I just I'm always up late. My brain doesn't
Speaker 1: want to slow down. I didn't know I had ADHD
Speaker 1: as a kid, and I was just like I'd just
Speaker 1: be wide awake. He'd be falling asleep and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be awake for a while sitting there playing Xbox.
Speaker 1: And there have been many nights at my house's children
Speaker 1: that he would be like either asleep on my floor
Speaker 1: because he passed out, or he's like a sleep on
Speaker 1: my bed and I'm in my chair or something like that,
Speaker 1: and I'd look over and he'd be on the floor
Speaker 1: like wigging out and he would like wake up.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: The craziest sleep prophs is. So I'm like, yeah, bro,
Speaker 1: I was watching you twitching like it happened many times.
Speaker 1: Like he's not exaggerating, like I've seen it with my
Speaker 1: own eyes, Like this kid was plagued. Yeah, that is
Speaker 1: one thing that I had to put on the line
Speaker 1: with my own life. I would say that he's telling
Speaker 1: the truth about sleep probleses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's happened quite a few times, and
Speaker 2: it's thankfully. I'm so happy it's been like I don't
Speaker 2: I can't even tell you the last time I had it. Yeah, honestly,
Speaker 2: at this point now it's been at very bare minimum,
Speaker 2: like a year and a half, two years or something
Speaker 2: like that. Good at least. But it came in all
Speaker 2: different flavors, Like sometimes it would be like i'd be actually,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is y'all will think this is crazy.
Speaker 2: The first time I ever had sleep paralysis, this is wild.
Speaker 2: You remember in Oh God, let me oh, Two Towers
Speaker 2: in Two Towers when fro I do of course, yeah.
Speaker 1: And Helen do.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about Aaron Alex,
Speaker 2: not Alex I'm talking.
Speaker 1: To, by the way, that's Lord of the Rings too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you remember in Two Towers when Frodo falls into
Speaker 2: the marsh and all of those like the green spools.
Speaker 2: So the first time I ever had sleep paralysis, I
Speaker 2: was I fell asleep in my brother's room. I'm probably
Speaker 2: I don't know ten or something, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: my brothers. My brother's staying in the night at somebody
Speaker 2: else's house. I'm gonna sleep in his bio. That'll show, yeah,
Speaker 2: exactly like stupid. I fell asleep in his room in
Speaker 2: the middle of the day and I had sleep paralysis.
Speaker 2: My eyes opened. I thought, I see the entire room
Speaker 2: around me, the exact room my brother's room, and it's normal.
Speaker 2: But then I can't move. And as soon as I
Speaker 2: realized I couldn't move, it was like they just all
Speaker 2: started materializing in the room, those those green things but
Speaker 2: they were in the movie. Yeah wow, But they weren't
Speaker 2: looking at me. They were they were just floating around.
Speaker 2: And then all at once they all looked at me
Speaker 2: and they started coming towards me. And when one of
Speaker 2: them got kind of close, you remember, like one of
Speaker 2: them's reaching their hand out and then you pull froto out.
Speaker 2: It was like that.
Speaker 3: Basically, that's terrifying.
Speaker 2: It was really scary. But that was literally just the first. No,
Speaker 2: that might have been the second or third time, but anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, speaking of like spooky power normal Lord of
Speaker 3: the Rings themed things, Helen had a NDE that involved
Speaker 3: an urukai.
Speaker 2: What huh. We might have to get you on the mic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna have to make something happen here.
Speaker 2: That's that sounds super interesting. I need to hear that.
Speaker 2: What happened? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Can you hear Okay.
Speaker 5: So when I was sixteen, I fractured my skull and
Speaker 5: oh god, I was for some reason, I was out
Speaker 5: with my mates.
Speaker 3: Who knows that.
Speaker 5: We sat on the top of my mate's car. My
Speaker 5: twin sister was going out with the guy who was
Speaker 5: carve it was and he knew that I was sat
Speaker 5: on top of the car. And then he like just
Speaker 5: started driving like a joke. Yeah, it's a joke, like
Speaker 5: really tight turn. So then I ended up flying off
Speaker 5: the top of the car.
Speaker 1: Oh holy that's traumatic.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And then like the only thing that I can
Speaker 5: remember from that is my nose hurting because I was
Speaker 5: told that my brain it shook that much. But obviously
Speaker 5: when I've added obviously fall off, fall off, I saw
Speaker 5: the white tunnel with loads of like weird runs that
Speaker 5: were really faint, but at the end of the tunnel
Speaker 5: I could see like a rusty arrow head and a
Speaker 5: fuckingca what that's And like I remember consciously going why
Speaker 5: the fucking probably.
Speaker 4: You know how people say, oh I saw.
Speaker 5: My mom my, Jesus, someone saying you're not ready, You've
Speaker 5: got to go back to the earth. I was just like,
Speaker 5: why the fucking.
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Speaker 1: By the way. Alex Urukai are like probably the scariest things.
Speaker 1: They are these thick and the shields abroad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, you know, they grow them.
Speaker 5: You know, if you could of the rings fun you've
Speaker 5: got tough, fucking the end of the.
Speaker 2: Dude. Whoa, that is absolutely insane. Yeah, Alex, for context, uricay,
Speaker 2: they've got to be like some of the most disgusting
Speaker 2: looking creatures that you could imagine. They grow them in
Speaker 2: like sacks in the ground and like like placentas, and
Speaker 2: they like peel them out of them and they come
Speaker 2: out and they look all slimy, and they're like mud demons.
Speaker 1: They're snarling savages. Dude, They're horrific, hulking savages. I couldn't
Speaker 1: imagine seeing that in an indie. I think that tops
Speaker 1: your sleep. Proud she died, and it's like, who am
Speaker 1: I going to see in the on the other side?
Speaker 1: Who got back into the realm of the living?
Speaker 2: It's an Urica.
Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, that's terrifying.
Speaker 1: So Alex, I hope, I hope. At this point, there's
Speaker 1: no there's just no greater way that we could go
Speaker 1: to the farthest reaches of the earth to convince you
Speaker 1: to watch this freaking movie.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: And that's the last I'm gonna say about that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you went through that. That that sounds horrific,
Speaker 1: And you know, the more that I spend with you guys.
Speaker 1: I mean we've probably had three or four like really
Speaker 1: long phone calls throughout the last I don't know when
Speaker 1: we first met, maybe like September October. It hasn't been
Speaker 1: quite a year, but it's been a long time by
Speaker 1: this point. And now I've spent the last few days
Speaker 1: with you guys, and the more I see altogether, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all definitely were meant to meet. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: very obvious that, you know, how can I say this.
Speaker 1: I think we were talking about this today, that there's
Speaker 1: some things that happen in your life where you're like, man,
Speaker 1: that was just that there's no possible way that you
Speaker 1: could describe this having happened without destiny being real or
Speaker 1: fate or us living in a matrix or it being
Speaker 1: a hologram or or a simulation or whatever. And I just, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it. And that's the same with us being
Speaker 1: friends too, Like there's there's so many things that are
Speaker 1: unfolding and us doing them in a row program. But anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's just.
Speaker 3: That's some synchronicity on steroids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I'm struggling to find the words because the
Speaker 1: people at home listening, They're like, Okay, we have no
Speaker 1: clue what you're talking about, but like every time we
Speaker 1: talk there's just more than like we have so many
Speaker 1: things in common. It's like, really, it's weird, like like
Speaker 1: the same visions during meditation even well like almost indicating that.
Speaker 3: It was it wasn't even the same vision. It was
Speaker 3: like the same space but different perspective, different perspectives, and
Speaker 3: then each one of you was seeing the other person
Speaker 3: but as like an all bar, like a glowing being
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exist, and we didn't even know each other. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's weird, like like obviously we were all meant
Speaker 1: to be in each other's fear.
Speaker 4: This was.
Speaker 5: So this was in the Gateway program, specifically Focused fifteen,
Speaker 5: where in our first video call like face time and
Speaker 5: we was like swapping Gateway notes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just reading like experiences we had, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: we had one that was anyway go ahead.
Speaker 5: So I remember Focus fifteen being absolutely tastes like but
Speaker 5: you know that was when just it's no time essentially,
Speaker 5: and even before I did the meditation, like put the
Speaker 5: headphones in that I could see a projection like directly
Speaker 5: in front of me and so I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: no time. So I thought, right, I've just done away.
Speaker 5: I can't see the meditation. I'm just going to chill
Speaker 5: in the bathroom. I'm going off on a tangent that
Speaker 5: a bit. I'm really sorry. But the main thing that
Speaker 5: I wanted to say was because there was loads of
Speaker 5: different things that happened, but the men thing that meaning
Speaker 5: Ryan shed together, as I say, completely.
Speaker 1: Two years apart, two yeah, years apart, not knowing each.
Speaker 5: Other yet not not each and all that I remember
Speaker 5: was seeing I was in a pyramid, you know, I
Speaker 5: could see though, I could see like, you know, just
Speaker 5: the Egyptian sort of drawings on the wall. I was, yeah,
Speaker 5: hieroglyphics walking through, and then directly in front of me
Speaker 5: there was this room that had a sarcophagus in it,
Speaker 5: and the whole I remember the theme of Focus fifteen
Speaker 5: specifically mind was rituals.
Speaker 4: In pyramids, and so yeah, and I could see.
Speaker 5: Like an orb as well, yeah, in the sarcophagus and yeah,
Speaker 5: an an orb and a sarcophagus, and yeah. That that
Speaker 5: was the main thing that I can remember from the meditation,
Speaker 5: because more.
Speaker 3: In the notes isn't but.
Speaker 1: You saw something about it didn't you see like an
Speaker 1: anc of some sort like the symbol or yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like you.
Speaker 4: Know, yeah yeah ye, but yeah, yeah, there was zanks.
Speaker 5: There was all all sorts of shape. I wish I
Speaker 5: could go into property detail.
Speaker 1: But that's the main thing because that's like the part
Speaker 1: of Yeah, that's the premise of it. That's like the
Speaker 1: meat of it. And then so the first time we
Speaker 1: actually got on the phone, and I'm glad that we
Speaker 1: got into this too, because when we started the episode,
Speaker 1: it's kind of such a big story with so much
Speaker 1: little context that I was kind of trying my brain
Speaker 1: was like where do I go with this to bring
Speaker 1: you know, the listener and you guys in on like
Speaker 1: this stuff that y'all hadn't heard about yet, and it's
Speaker 1: all kind of heading somewhere right. But anyway, so the
Speaker 1: first time we got on the phone, Aaron and I
Speaker 1: had been following each other already, don't you remember, like
Speaker 1: two years ago. I was like, oh, we shuit was
Speaker 1: an annihilator drum a drummer followed me. That's so crazy,
Speaker 1: And we were like laughing about in the apartment yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and we were like, wow, this is wild. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: in my you know, and as you know erin there's
Speaker 1: a lot of times where you know, you're out in
Speaker 1: the public, maybe someone follows you and you're showing your
Speaker 1: boys like oh wow, that's crazy, and then your life
Speaker 1: is busy and you're like, ah, they probably would never
Speaker 1: see my message or whatever, and you're like, maybe our
Speaker 1: pads were crossed. It was kind of like that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I didn't message you didn't
Speaker 1: message me, but I was like, damn, this is really cool,
Speaker 1: and so you had kind of been at least in
Speaker 1: the back of my mind for a while, right. So anyway,
Speaker 1: so Helen reaches out to me, and I was like, oh, interesting,
Speaker 1: and I somehow I guess through Instagram put two and
Speaker 1: two together that like they were I think actually in
Speaker 1: your message you told me that you were his girlfriend
Speaker 1: or whatever, or it was out on your profile. It
Speaker 1: was something I just I knew that you guys were together,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, he's following me, she's reaching
Speaker 1: out to me. These people are tapped in, you know,
Speaker 1: they're obviously really into this stuff. So I was like, well,
Speaker 1: let's set up a phone call. We did, and it
Speaker 1: was like boom. We started sharing these Monroe stories, and
Speaker 1: we all collectively were like, yeah, we're friends now, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then we immediately started scheming,
Speaker 1: all right, how are we going to get you to America?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's been almost a year
Speaker 1: that we've been talking about this trip, right, and then
Speaker 1: even what's happened on the trip so far, it's been crazy,
Speaker 1: you know, really weird but really weird. Yeah, So where
Speaker 1: was I going with? Oh? Yeah, our experience? So you
Speaker 1: told me? I think I told you the experience first
Speaker 1: because I had just gotten back from Gateway. I feel yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just after you yeah, sawyall the episode. He was, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: it was around October November.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we saw your Gateway specific episodes and then
Speaker 5: obviously when you was describing Focus fifteen when we was
Speaker 5: watching it at home, and then I just turned half
Speaker 5: and I.
Speaker 1: Were just like, yeah, ship.
Speaker 2: That is wild, yes, and essentially the same Oh.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get into that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then so we met, right, they and I'm sure
Speaker 1: you heard me tell that story on the show, because
Speaker 1: I did tell it right, that very story. But I think, okay,
Speaker 1: so it's it's I'm starting to remember a little more
Speaker 1: I think we brought it up and you were like,
Speaker 1: I had the same thing. So in my experience, it's
Speaker 1: like I was lame in the sarcophagus. I told it
Speaker 1: on I think Allan's episode, and I told it on
Speaker 1: probably Archie or Emily's, and then I told it on
Speaker 1: three part series. But I had this experience in focus
Speaker 1: at fifteen where I was just like, and it's very vivid,
Speaker 1: this experience. I'm laying in the sarcophagus, i have my
Speaker 1: arms up like Osiris, and I'm I remember, yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like inherently understanding that I'm not dying, I'm
Speaker 1: not being buried. It's a ritual. There's people standing around me,
Speaker 1: and at the foot of the sarcophagus there's like a
Speaker 1: glowing being of light. And it was like giving me instructions.
Speaker 1: And she told me her story, so she basically had
Speaker 1: the same thing, except she wasn't laying in it. She
Speaker 1: was looking in the sarcophagus and there was an orb
Speaker 1: in the sarcophagus. So we're like, what the hell, it's
Speaker 1: the same thing, and it's very specific. I've I mean,
Speaker 1: I've never met anybody else that had even i mean
Speaker 1: not everybody's just like having Egyptian visions. Yeah, everyone's having
Speaker 1: different things, you know, and maybe they are having Egyptian visions.
Speaker 1: But you're the only person I've met that had that
Speaker 1: very same one, you know. So we were like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is really weird. Obviously we're connected somehow, and there
Speaker 1: was an experience you had. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: can recall what I'm talking about, but one that you
Speaker 1: told me that you had that I was just like,
Speaker 1: this is freaking insane. So fast forward a few months,
Speaker 1: we get to talking and we're just like, all right,
Speaker 1: you know, we got through the holidays, Christmas past, and
Speaker 1: we got to talking again, and it's like, we got
Speaker 1: a plan an America trip maybe in March. Remember we
Speaker 1: were like maybe in the spring. Yeah, you know, And
Speaker 1: I think we talked in the spring and one thing
Speaker 1: led to another, and you guys found out I was
Speaker 1: doing guidelines. I get I told you guys like I
Speaker 1: just booked guidelines and you asked us as.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how it was. Yeah, you was like, oh,
Speaker 3: if you was going to do another Monroe cost, not
Speaker 3: even thinking about us coming. We was just asking us
Speaker 3: which Monroe cost. We would just want to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what are you guys interested?
Speaker 3: And we were both like hmm and Hell was like, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe guidelines and you were like, oh shit, I'm doing guidelines.
Speaker 1: Just bund it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And then we were like what it is sick.
Speaker 1: So they were like, are there any open slots? I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know. I pulled up I pulled
Speaker 1: up the website and I was like, guys, it says
Speaker 1: there's two. Aaron pulled out his phone. He's like, boop,
Speaker 1: I just booked it. And I was like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: let's just get on the phone in a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks and we'll figure out flights. It was, It's just
Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened, and here we are, so yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was crazy. So long story short, they
Speaker 1: are they flew in from England, staying with me about
Speaker 1: ten days or something like that, and you know, we're
Speaker 1: going to do that program virtually from my house. So
Speaker 1: the three of us are going to be cabin fever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it starts tomorrow Saturday. Okay, cool?
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, so interesting man. And yeah, so I'd like
Speaker 1: to maybe pivot a little bit into the musical side
Speaker 1: of things, because I don't think that we could have
Speaker 1: you on the show and it'd be a very valuable
Speaker 1: use of our time or like respectful to your craft.
Speaker 1: If we just don't even acknowledge Infinite Nihilator, it.
Speaker 3: Would have been kind of funny.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, oh well hey, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I just want to say that, like it's so crazy, man,
Speaker 1: because really I've been aware of you guys since twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't feel like you probably, oh for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's like the second album kind of era.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's just always been this its own thing,
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's very extreme music, which I like
Speaker 1: extreme music. And I'll never forget the first time I
Speaker 1: heard the first song from you guys that I had
Speaker 1: heard Soil is Stillborn. I'm like, what, dude, why does
Speaker 1: this sound so good? But it's just it's so shocking.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, despite what anybody thinks, you guys stand out.
Speaker 1: You guys literally are set apart from other bands. You're
Speaker 1: like this crazy phenomenon. So I guess, I guess I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of curious, like about how you got into
Speaker 1: this stuff, Like what was your path, what were you
Speaker 1: doing before? What propelled you to get into making such
Speaker 1: like crazy extreme music.
Speaker 3: Dude, how far back we talking?
Speaker 1: I mean, how far back you want to?
Speaker 2: Let's start right to the beginning.
Speaker 3: I think the most relevant thing probably would be I
Speaker 3: remember when, because I was like fifteen when like death
Speaker 3: Call started to kick off, you know, like MySpace death Call. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like like Eisen and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Their guitarists just recently followed me bring me the Horizon
Speaker 1: a cinema message. You didn't respond. I'm like, well, this
Speaker 1: is why I don't send messages. When people follow me,
Speaker 1: they don't always respond. So yeah, yeah, hey, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I know I just asked you a question, but I
Speaker 1: have to say if it makes you feel better, if
Speaker 1: it makes you feel special, Helen. I'm not gonna say who,
Speaker 1: just in case they are the kind of people that
Speaker 1: aren't comfortable with it. But an NFL player followed me
Speaker 1: and his girlfriend also messaged me, and she was like,
Speaker 1: we're really into your show, so like you you're you're
Speaker 1: a part of a very niche, valuable thing.
Speaker 4: So I'm Avan's life.
Speaker 5: That's mean, But that doesn't mean i'll message your back, so.
Speaker 3: You know, please don't message.
Speaker 4: Oh shit, I don't want to.
Speaker 1: You're fine, it's all good. So anyway, just you know,
Speaker 1: thank you if it was. If it wasn't for you,
Speaker 1: I we may not have ever met because we're both
Speaker 1: probably similar and it's like, you know, people are busy whatever.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so back when you were fifteen, death course
Speaker 1: starts popping off. You're going to bring me the horizon.
Speaker 3: So I remember not with not so much with bring
Speaker 3: me their eyes and to be honest, but like a
Speaker 3: lot of bands that were like getting bigger and like
Speaker 3: popping off and stuff. One thing that would just always
Speaker 3: really annoy me is like the kind of lighter melody
Speaker 3: kind of rifts. Like there's some bands that could pull
Speaker 3: it off and stuff, but that was like when I
Speaker 3: was super gatekeepery with like everything has to just be
Speaker 3: as heavy as possible, like fu a riff, let's just
Speaker 3: do a breakdown kind of vibe. And so yeah, I
Speaker 3: remember like back then, I always wanted music to just
Speaker 3: be way heavier than it was. So I just started
Speaker 3: like making music that was solely breakdowns. Basically. I mean,
Speaker 3: it sucks now listening back to it, but that's when
Speaker 3: I first started like writing music and like recording and stuff.
Speaker 3: I remember the first thing I recorded was literally using
Speaker 3: an electric acoustic guitar. No, yeah, it's really bad. Wow.
Speaker 2: No, wow, that's incredible.
Speaker 3: Actually through like a boss metal pedal or something. It
Speaker 3: was really right. I had one of those Yeah, did
Speaker 3: you like detune the mess out of it? That it
Speaker 3: probably wasn't even tuned. I can't remember, to be.
Speaker 1: Honest, Fifteen year olds don't care about that crap.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean that that's like sets the stage
Speaker 3: for it. But then, like ever since then, I've always
Speaker 3: like wanted whatever band I'm in at the time, I've
Speaker 3: always like pushed it to like be less melodic and
Speaker 3: more heavy. I've grown a bit now, matured a bit
Speaker 3: since then, but yeah, I've always wanted to like just
Speaker 3: do the most ex stream heavy music. But just my
Speaker 3: kind of definition of heavy is like evolved over the years.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, the goalpost keeps moving. It's true because like, well,
Speaker 2: people like you, like you know, bands like Infinite Nihilator
Speaker 2: come out and they pushed the envelope for what heavy is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then they just set a new standard and then
Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, well, now I wonder if we could
Speaker 2: get a little heavier maybe, And then and then it's
Speaker 2: just it just keeps getting pushed and pushed and pushed,
Speaker 2: and like, true, there are there are steps along the
Speaker 2: way where you're like, surely it can't get heavier than this, right,
Speaker 2: We've thought so, right, Yeah, it's like we've we've reached
Speaker 2: the pinnacle, right, like, surely we've reached the and.
Speaker 1: It just keeps going. I honestly thought so it never ends.
Speaker 1: And look, I promise you, Okay, I'm just gonna say this.
Speaker 1: I I told you this last night. Nick was obviously
Speaker 1: freaking out. You saw his live reaction. Alex doesn't even
Speaker 1: necessarily feel passion towards this music, even he could recognize
Speaker 1: how good. And I'll keep it very brief, but I
Speaker 1: will say that we have now listened to what five
Speaker 1: of the tracks of the new album, And I'm not
Speaker 1: blowing you smoke. I'm being very genuine when I say this.
Speaker 1: It is some of the best metal music I've ever heard. Like,
Speaker 1: it's it's exciting. How good that shit is. I'm not
Speaker 1: just saying that, it's crazy, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: And you know it's like he's like, yeah, it's not
Speaker 2: really done yet. I'm like what, yeah, well, what like
Speaker 2: what what do you it's it is crazy good, crazy good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's shockingly good. So congratulations to you. Maybe when
Speaker 1: it's out we could do a follow up. We had
Speaker 1: already kind of talked about that today at lunch, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I would I would love to next time, because obviously
Speaker 1: it's not out yet, so people will just have to
Speaker 1: wait and see, but I would love to when that
Speaker 1: comes out. We do like a deeper dive, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I'm very excited to hear the
Speaker 1: rest of it. It's it's unbelievable. The kid in me
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that in you never thought that we
Speaker 1: would have the privilege to like sit here with people
Speaker 1: like this and get to do this.
Speaker 2: This was like yeah, yeah, I mean I've always dreamed
Speaker 2: about like geeking about metal music with people who make
Speaker 2: metal music, and oh my god, that is like the bonus.
Speaker 2: That's the bonus of all bonuses. We've been just like
Speaker 2: making Lord of the Rings references and quotes and stuff,
Speaker 2: and like my heart is so full. Uh but yeah,
Speaker 2: it was so like within like seriously, probably five minutes
Speaker 2: of meeting you guys yesterday, I was like, these are
Speaker 2: these are peoplest people? Yeah? Yeah, I was like these
Speaker 2: are the coolest people ever. Likewise, yeah, like, but yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I always dreamed about like just sitting doing this, sitting
Speaker 2: in a room dressed exactly as we're dressed right now.
Speaker 1: What do you mean this is normal attire?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I just mean, you know, casual attire.
Speaker 1: Don Mobler, the corn cobbler, thank you for here, joined
Speaker 1: by the exert and it and uh, I'm a sucking blood.
Speaker 1: He name count I'm a sucking blood.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, person the Parsnip drainer, the Parsonip Liquor. I like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you are the Parsonip Liquor.
Speaker 2: I was liking a lot. They're so good. I'm going
Speaker 2: to parson Is where the bleep was.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, But anyway, like in all seriousness, man, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it doesn't go unnoticed by me. Just like
Speaker 1: this experience of you guys coming here and I was
Speaker 1: being friends. It's definitely a reality check for me sometimes
Speaker 1: these kinds of moments, like bro, the episode that came
Speaker 1: out today was freaking this guy from Dragon ball Z.
Speaker 1: Now we're sitting here, you know, with the drummer of
Speaker 1: iNFiNiT Annihilator, one of the most like notorious I say
Speaker 1: that in quotes people who listen to metal they know
Speaker 1: who that is one of the most freaking notorious bands
Speaker 1: in the entire death course scene. That is literally like
Speaker 1: just a meme, Like.
Speaker 2: Was it always what is it? Was it always your
Speaker 2: goal to like shock?
Speaker 3: Well, when we first started, we never even thought it
Speaker 3: would ever blow up or anything like that, because we
Speaker 3: wrote the first album just to have fun. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: just the shock value was kind of just for us,
Speaker 3: if you know what I mean, because we didn't think
Speaker 3: anyone would listen to it.
Speaker 2: That was just the fun part. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it kind of did blow up with
Speaker 3: the first video, and then we were like, well, probably
Speaker 3: should just keep making it more and more extreme in
Speaker 3: every way possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's funny, man. I will say the shock factor.
Speaker 1: And maybe it's because I've met you guys like at Monroe.
Speaker 1: They like to say this concept of the blue paper clip.
Speaker 1: You guys heard about that one.
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, it's just basically the principle that like, okay, blue
Speaker 1: paper clip. Now it's in your awareness, so you're gonna
Speaker 1: walk around and you're gonna see a lot of blue paper clips,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's kind of like or like,
Speaker 1: you know, pink truck. Now you know about a pink truck,
Speaker 1: so soon you're going to see a pink truck. It's
Speaker 1: like sort of what your awareness is locked in on.
Speaker 1: It'll be it'll come into your focus or you know,
Speaker 1: your little slice of reality more often. I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is the case or if it's just because
Speaker 1: there's a resurgence in Death Corp right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel had on not Loues. I feel like they
Speaker 1: just a couple of days ago, right, Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: Gojira played at the Olympic. I genuinely feel that throughout
Speaker 1: the world, metal is just rising. It's just genuinely becoming
Speaker 1: more popular.
Speaker 2: You know it is.
Speaker 1: But in the last like six to eight months, I've
Speaker 1: texted you guys, even a few of them. I've told
Speaker 1: you when it happens, or I've sent you maybe screenshots
Speaker 1: maybe not. But like I'll just be scrolling on the
Speaker 1: internet and I'm just seeing Infiniteihilator memes or even this, no,
Speaker 1: even this, I'll see you know, people covering the drums
Speaker 1: or freaking I'm doing this that means blastpeeding, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for the for the viewer, but I'll be scrolling and
Speaker 1: freaking uh, you know, it'll be some random simply I'll
Speaker 1: be seeing some random song and I'll just drop down
Speaker 1: the comments and it'll be like if an Anihilad or drummer,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the heck? Like, I just feel like
Speaker 1: it keeps coming into into my awareness, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And anyway, I believe you know, obviously we
Speaker 1: were meant to be friends, but I feel like you
Speaker 1: guys are definitely on the rise as far as like
Speaker 1: the internet death core culture goes. So anyway, I guess
Speaker 1: to round out that thought is, yeah, you're going to
Speaker 1: This is just my prediction if I may, and it's
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna be as a nondescript as possible,
Speaker 1: but I think you're gonna drop this album and it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a mic drop and you're gonna say bamn,
Speaker 1: motherfucker and people are gonna lose their minds how good
Speaker 1: it is?
Speaker 3: Do you mind if I steal a lot phrase for the
Speaker 3: actual drop, just say nothing else the bad motherfucker? Yeah,
Speaker 3: nothing else promotion Like there you go.
Speaker 1: Dude, I'm telling you people are going to lose their minds.
Speaker 2: So it's it's groundbreakings. It's fine, it's super super.
Speaker 1: Dope, it's epic.
Speaker 3: So anyway you started, you started win what ephan Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think we wrote we wrote the first well that's
Speaker 3: when we released the album. It was twelve twelve twelve.
Speaker 2: Oh cool numerology? Are you into that kind of stuff
Speaker 2: back there? No?
Speaker 3: No, no, I was a super scoopa skeptic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you said you were like the what
Speaker 2: do you call it? Scientist? Scientism, scientist? I like that.
Speaker 2: So then not at all, not even were you aware
Speaker 2: of like numerology and that sort.
Speaker 3: Of only only to like mock, do you know what
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 1: So this keeps coming up, like where are we at now?
Speaker 1: Because that's something that I'm curious about, and we had
Speaker 1: we've been talking about this personally as friends, but you know,
Speaker 1: Nick and Alex haven't necessarily been exposed to this conversation.
Speaker 1: I personally find it very fascinating just to see your
Speaker 1: journey play out in real time and kind of like
Speaker 1: know who you were then by what you're telling me
Speaker 1: and by reading your lyrics and then just knowing you
Speaker 1: as a friend now, So like you weren't spiritual, you
Speaker 1: were more or less. I don't know if atheist is
Speaker 1: the word you would describe, but you didn't believe there
Speaker 1: was anything. What was that thing that like pushed you
Speaker 1: towards kind of where you're at now, which is being
Speaker 1: in the consciousness. You're going to the Monroe Institute, you've
Speaker 1: seen orbs which I would love to hear some of
Speaker 1: your stories if you would like to share them, Like
Speaker 1: let's just talk about like your awakening journey.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I think it was a combination of things. I remember.
Speaker 3: I think it was so I didn't see it when
Speaker 3: it came out, but a big part of it was
Speaker 3: the whole New York Times.
Speaker 1: Thing twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: Yes it wasn't then though, it was like a bit
Speaker 3: quite a bit after that. But I think that like
Speaker 3: popped up in my newsfeed or something. I think that
Speaker 3: might have been a catalyst because which New York Times,
Speaker 3: the New York Times UFO, the.
Speaker 1: Tic TAC thing the first time they acknowledged UFO.
Speaker 3: Government That wasn't really a thing in the UK that
Speaker 3: didn't really get covered here. So I found out about
Speaker 3: that super late. I think it was like right at
Speaker 3: the beginning of COVID. Maybe that I found out about it,
Speaker 3: and I remember being like, because I had the same
Speaker 3: kind of view of like UFOs and stuff as that
Speaker 3: I did with like like consciousness, he type meditation stuff,
Speaker 3: I was just like, where's the proof, saw bollocks, it's.
Speaker 2: Just non.
Speaker 3: So I remember coming across that and I was like,
Speaker 3: wait a second, is that like actually, I mean, I've
Speaker 3: got a bit of a different opinion on the guy now.
Speaker 3: But I was like this guy guy is like super
Speaker 3: official and he's like saying all this stuff. Because I
Speaker 3: was still at that point, I was like I need
Speaker 3: I need big daddy government to tell me that he's real.
Speaker 2: So like government.
Speaker 3: So I was like, holy shit, this is like official
Speaker 3: guy like saying that this stuff's real. I was like,
Speaker 3: it's probably not, but I'll look into it. And then
Speaker 3: the more that I looked into it, the more I
Speaker 3: was like, holy shit, like maybe it is. Like I
Speaker 3: didn't think, Okay, this is definitely real, but I was
Speaker 3: just like, well, I think the thing the thing that
Speaker 3: changed in my brain was if I if I was
Speaker 3: like this wrong about UFOs, what else was this wrong about?
Speaker 3: So it kind of like in the back of my
Speaker 3: mind made me much more open to my aware of
Speaker 3: my immediate react like good like snap reactions to things,
Speaker 3: you know, because that's the kind of thing that happens
Speaker 3: when you're like when you're not really thinking, you're just
Speaker 3: kind of still a bit of sleep as you just
Speaker 3: have these like instant reactions because they're not actually your
Speaker 3: own thoughts, it's just what you've been kind of conditioned
Speaker 3: to react.
Speaker 5: Like I just say one thing, and like I was
Speaker 5: always fairly super spiritual when I got with having to
Speaker 5: the point where I'd be like handed in bloods of
Speaker 5: amfist crystals and black.
Speaker 4: Tormaline, why do you by not on tour and be
Speaker 4: like no, And I was just like plate.
Speaker 1: Protection, weisley, you know.
Speaker 5: But we haven't like you know, I'm not saying this
Speaker 5: is a dick, like you know, it's one of those
Speaker 5: people if.
Speaker 4: If he doesn't want to take.
Speaker 1: The crystals, I'm not going to take No, it's not and.
Speaker 5: You can't FALSI no fucking way. So that that was
Speaker 5: quite insane. But I go a pagap and like lost, I.
Speaker 3: Have complete for No, actually I haven't really, So I was.
Speaker 2: Saying it's honestly, what you were saying is very well said.
Speaker 2: And if I could like kind of recap it a
Speaker 2: little bit. It was basically that, like you you have
Speaker 2: these snap reactions to like that's not real, you know,
Speaker 2: that's bullshit, you know whatever, Like and maybe it's like
Speaker 2: a fear thing, you know, maybe it's like because it
Speaker 2: challenges what it's comfortable to think, you know, everything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: My kind of view is it's like I feel like
Speaker 3: a lot of it is conditioning, purposeful conditioning. Yeah, in
Speaker 3: the in the form of like media and in all
Speaker 3: forms like you know, like unlike talk shows or on
Speaker 3: movies or in movies or anything. If anybody mentions a UFO,
Speaker 3: they're automatically crazy. And like if it's like a talk show,
Speaker 3: for instance, someone will be like, oh, yeah, I saw
Speaker 3: a UFO and then this is before twenty seventeen, everyone
Speaker 3: will be like, this guy's a fucking idiot kind of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And that just over time from you know, being literally
Speaker 3: a baby and just being constantly exposed to that makes
Speaker 3: it so that it's your own just natural reaction, but
Speaker 3: it's not really based on anything other than just basically
Speaker 3: parroting and copying what you've been seen on TV or whatever,
Speaker 3: and that kind of realization is what kind of made
Speaker 3: me more open to a lot of things. But I
Speaker 3: wasn't really thinking about anything other than UFOs. It's it
Speaker 3: was just like if I was that wrong, what else
Speaker 3: could I be wrong about? That was like always in
Speaker 3: the back of my mind. So anytime that I had
Speaker 3: a snap like bullshit, I would be like, actually, wait
Speaker 3: a second, I thought UFOs were bullshit? What if this isn't?
Speaker 3: So maybe I like actually look into things more that,
Speaker 3: you know, And I think the next step after that
Speaker 3: was one of the things that popped up on YouTube
Speaker 3: was I don't know if you've seen the documentary Third
Speaker 3: Eye Spies.
Speaker 1: I've heard of it. I've been my Actually, my mother
Speaker 1: watched it with all people loved it. Really yeah, my
Speaker 1: mom and dad watched it.
Speaker 2: What's it about?
Speaker 3: It's you know Russell Tag, the guy who he was
Speaker 3: like NASA, right, yeah, Stanford researchers too. Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: him and help put off ran the original remote viewing program.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. And he got to a point where he
Speaker 3: was finally released for the from the NDA because you know,
Speaker 3: he wasn't allowed to talk about it for like, however
Speaker 3: many decades, and then once he could, and some of
Speaker 3: the files became public. He this documentary called Third Ice
Speaker 3: Spies about some of the amazing like things that they
Speaker 3: got up to in the remote viewing program, and it's
Speaker 3: like super it's just an amazing documentary. But then right
Speaker 3: at the end of it, it kind of implies that
Speaker 3: anyone can do it and limitless mind that he wrote
Speaker 3: as well. Yeah, I came across that later, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I remember at the end of it, he's like got
Speaker 3: a massive like group of not a group like a
Speaker 3: like it's like a talk that he's doing or something,
Speaker 3: a big crowd of people with like on chairs and
Speaker 3: tables and stuff, and he's getting everyone to do remote
Speaker 3: viewing and they all get like ninety percent of the
Speaker 3: people in the crowd are just like holy shit, like
Speaker 3: we got it. And I remember thinking like no, no,
Speaker 3: and you know, there was a whole maybe it's not bullshit.
Speaker 3: And the cool thing about that is you don't have
Speaker 3: to rely on like whatever evidence you can find. It's
Speaker 3: something you can literally try yourself. Yeah, I was like, well,
Speaker 3: why don't I just give it a girl's try it?
Speaker 3: And I tried it, and the first time I tried it,
Speaker 3: it worked, So I was just like, what the fuck
Speaker 3: what did.
Speaker 2: You do specifically, like do you remember?
Speaker 3: I think it was. I think I found a remote
Speaker 3: viewing like like what you called it.
Speaker 1: It's like a website with like it generates the targets
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it wasn't a generated one. It was one
Speaker 3: that just had a bunch of them. I think it's
Speaker 3: was it called that Daz Smith. It's like it's ringing
Speaker 3: a bell, but like an English from a viewer.
Speaker 2: I'm not so it's like a target. You don't see it.
Speaker 3: All you see is it's like a hyperlink that's a
Speaker 3: set of eight digit number, got it? And then you
Speaker 3: just choose one of those. And this is how I
Speaker 3: did it. I did a super like stripped down minimalist
Speaker 3: version of remote viewing where I'd just write the number
Speaker 3: and then just be like, right, what's it? Okay, that's
Speaker 3: kind of what popped up. And yeah, I can't remember
Speaker 3: what it was now I think I've got it. It
Speaker 3: was the first one was a statue of Liberty.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 3: And I didn't draw the statue of liberty because am
Speaker 3: ship drawing and b it was it was more like
Speaker 3: just elements of the image. So I remember it was
Speaker 3: like like a star kind of ship. That's like there's
Speaker 3: were and then I remember some clouds, and then like
Speaker 3: another little shape and it's it's not like a perfect drawing,
Speaker 3: but it's like how kind of remote for you and
Speaker 3: works a lot of the time. Is you'll get like
Speaker 3: different aspects and elements of the picture, even if not
Speaker 3: like joined together properly. I don't know how it works.
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone does, but yeah, it worked, and
Speaker 3: I was like, no, I tried another one and that worked.
Speaker 3: I think it was like a skull with a Mexican
Speaker 3: hat on or something, and I was just like, well
Speaker 3: that the only conclusion you can come to from that
Speaker 3: is the consciousness isn't in the brain, and if it
Speaker 3: isn't in the brain, the sky's limit. Like that that
Speaker 3: that just like immediately opens the door for like everything
Speaker 3: that I thought was bullshit having to at least have
Speaker 3: some element of truth to it.
Speaker 1: That's that's amazing. That's honestly so amazing.
Speaker 2: That's amazing the power of being this much open.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all it takes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that first thing that happened with you seeing
Speaker 2: that article, that just like cracked the door open for
Speaker 2: everything else to start like flowing in and this is.
Speaker 4: Good for a man with a scientism brain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is good point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was one of the cool things.
Speaker 1: Scratches that that is it's very scientific in the process. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he and I I you know, like the more
Speaker 1: I get to know you, you are very left brain.
Speaker 1: You're also very right brain. Don't don't deny that part
Speaker 1: of yourself too a little bit.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I I kind of relate to that
Speaker 2: as well because one of the things I love so
Speaker 2: much about Monroe and Ryan can tell you when we
Speaker 2: talk about science all the time on the show, I'm
Speaker 2: like a huge science geek. I love it. It is
Speaker 2: so fascinating to me. And so the Monroe stuff scratches
Speaker 2: that part of my brain as well. It's like, there
Speaker 2: is they are following the scientific process for sure. It's
Speaker 2: incredibly scientific.
Speaker 1: A lot of the foundation of it was laid by scientists,
Speaker 1: I mean obviously. Yeah. Yeah, I can't wait to meet
Speaker 1: him later this month. I'll just meet actually like two
Speaker 1: weeks from now.
Speaker 3: That's so cool.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I love that, man, I love that.
Speaker 1: Like That's why I thought it was so important to
Speaker 1: go into that part of you and like find out
Speaker 1: how you took this step towards awakening to like the
Speaker 1: greater reality, you know, consciousness and everything, because I think
Speaker 1: that there are a lot of people out there like
Speaker 1: you who need that rational evidence you know that there's
Speaker 1: something there, something paranormal, something mystical.
Speaker 3: Another little thing is that it wasn't like a media
Speaker 3: that I was like, fuck, I'll try it. Like I
Speaker 3: said that, you you know, you don't need all of
Speaker 3: the evidence if you can try it yourself because you
Speaker 3: can see for yourself but replicable. Yeah, and you can
Speaker 3: like you don't have to rely on the evidence. But
Speaker 3: that being said, there is so much evidence. Oh so much.
Speaker 3: There's literally like peer reviewed scientific journals and and shit,
Speaker 3: that's so much. Yeah, but it's just either a combination
Speaker 3: of suppressed and and just mocked by like mainstream science
Speaker 3: and Wikipedia being like just literal disinformation. So if you
Speaker 3: try and google anything, it'll it will never properly show
Speaker 3: you like what you're looking for, so you just have
Speaker 3: to know where to look.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll often show you the opposite. It'll show you
Speaker 2: all the reasons why exactly what you're looking for.
Speaker 3: Bullshit. Yeah, yeah, So anyone who's just like, oh I
Speaker 3: wonder what this is all about. They'll google it and
Speaker 3: be like, oh yeah, just like I thought it was bullshit.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it's like see, just try it.
Speaker 1: I told you it's bullshit.
Speaker 2: Google told me.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking.
Speaker 2: About things you can try. That's one of the fundamentals
Speaker 2: of the scientific processes. Is it replicable? Can you do
Speaker 2: it right now? And like, is there a chance of
Speaker 2: it working if you do it right now? It doesn't
Speaker 2: have to happen every single time you do it right now,
Speaker 2: but can you replicate it in like a closed environment?
Speaker 2: Like and and the cool thing about.
Speaker 3: Like the viewing stuff, but in particular is that you
Speaker 3: know all of the well not all of them, but
Speaker 3: a bunch of the studies and stuff on that they'll
Speaker 3: be remote viewing like because it's like has to be
Speaker 3: set up in a specific way. They'll be like four
Speaker 3: potential targets. Say, so there's like a so the way
Speaker 3: that they kind of structure it is that there's like
Speaker 3: a one in four chance that they could get it right,
Speaker 3: and over time there'll be a statistically significant thing over time,
Speaker 3: you know. But really, when you think about what remote
Speaker 3: viewing is, it's it's like it's not one in four.
Speaker 3: Even if there's four things you can choose from, it's
Speaker 3: like one in infinite. Like the chances of even getting
Speaker 3: anything close to to just literally what could be anything
Speaker 3: just from a string of numbers is like infinitesimally small.
Speaker 3: Like the fact that you can close your eyes, get
Speaker 3: into meditation and just think about four numbers and then
Speaker 3: draw whatever you see, and then you look what the
Speaker 3: four numbers represents and that you've drawn it, like what
Speaker 3: the fuck it anything? It can be literally anything, So
Speaker 3: it's definitely more than one in four, do you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 1: Even if you get a little bit right, it's like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck?
Speaker 2: It's profound, Yeah, understanding that that is kind of that
Speaker 2: it could be anything literally in existence, anything that you
Speaker 2: could observe with your eyeballs, Like it's infinite.
Speaker 1: I never thought about it like that because I've always
Speaker 1: not really needed that level off, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: If it was like remote view of color, there's like
Speaker 2: what freaking.
Speaker 1: I mean technically like seven I guess if you count
Speaker 1: the rainbow the primary not only in sight too.
Speaker 7: One of the one of the most breakthrough pieces of
Speaker 7: like tips that I got from Amy was what do
Speaker 7: you like what do you feel what's going on with
Speaker 7: your other senses not just sight? And when you kind
Speaker 7: of when you start to like get really into practicing
Speaker 7: and you kind of start to burn out and it's
Speaker 7: not coming to you. I remember doing exactly what you
Speaker 7: were doing Erin and I felt like I was up
Speaker 7: high and like on a ledge, but I couldn't. I
Speaker 7: wasn't getting any visual. It just felt like I was
Speaker 7: a pie. And it turns out the photo was of
Speaker 7: a bridge.
Speaker 2: That's something that I still haven't tried. You're right, Like
Speaker 2: I remember Amy telling us that, and it's sounding like
Speaker 2: so profound to try to try to use your other
Speaker 2: senses because I can't see things in my.
Speaker 1: Brain that's but you can. Yeah, yeah I can hear
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: So one of the things for me why it was
Speaker 3: like so mind But another reason why it was so
Speaker 3: mind blowing this whole removiewing thing is I have like
Speaker 3: mild like a fantasias, so like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these people are my best friends, so like I don't.
Speaker 3: I can I can imagine like stuff, but it doesn't
Speaker 3: look like a picture behind my eyes, say, I don't
Speaker 3: see it. Just the concept of it is just there.
Speaker 2: And that's it's like, how this is lime flavored? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like this is like a mild suggestion of a
Speaker 2: lime kind of It makes you think, right, it makes
Speaker 2: you think about kind of what a lime is like.
Speaker 2: But it's so extremely faint that it's not even like
Speaker 2: you're seeing definitely not.
Speaker 3: It's just a concept right like somewhere, so it's not visual.
Speaker 3: But so the point is that when I started doing
Speaker 3: specifically trying to use like Monroe Hemi sync type stuff
Speaker 3: to make the remote viewing better, going from being completely
Speaker 3: blackness behind my eyes, I would start like seeing flashes
Speaker 3: of actual images. So I knew that that wasn't my
Speaker 3: imagination because I don't see pictures in my closed eyes.
Speaker 3: So I was like, one of the things with remote
Speaker 3: viewing is you're supposed to be able to filter what
Speaker 3: is it called the you know, the noise?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what you mean. I don't
Speaker 2: know the word for it.
Speaker 3: Static, Yeah, like like your monkey brain. You have to
Speaker 3: get that out of the way because otherwise you might
Speaker 3: be just imagining things and you don't want to be
Speaker 3: drawing what you're imagining. You want to be drawing the signal. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 3: so for me, there is no like visual noise, So
Speaker 3: as soon as I see a flash of in image,
Speaker 3: I'm just like, holy shit, I'll draw that.
Speaker 2: Yah.
Speaker 3: And for some reason that just seems to be pretty
Speaker 3: accurate a lot of the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when we did when we did Creation Station, a
Speaker 2: couple of time. It wasn't every time we did a meditation,
Speaker 2: but a couple of times I actually saw things and
Speaker 2: it was like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it suck in it.
Speaker 2: It does happen. I don't know if it's the same
Speaker 2: with you, but like you know, ninety whatever, ninety five
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of the time, it's just literal blackness.
Speaker 2: But then maybe like once a month or so, something
Speaker 2: will come through and you're like, yeah, what was that?
Speaker 2: Or do you what about dreams? Do you dream a lot?
Speaker 2: Not doubling dreams, Yeah, but it's like do you have
Speaker 2: like very vivid dreams?
Speaker 3: My dreams. It's it's completely different because when you're in
Speaker 3: a dream, it's like you're there, so it's like waking vision.
Speaker 3: It's not like you trying to picture something. It's like
Speaker 3: all just built and done by.
Speaker 2: Your good point. I have this like I wondered if
Speaker 2: like maybe because I feel like I don't dream a lot.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, maybe it has to do with the
Speaker 2: f Fantasia thing, but maybe it's that I need to
Speaker 2: try doing the dream journal stuff. You should try it
Speaker 2: because I think I do dream.
Speaker 3: More than I think I do. I just you know,
Speaker 3: we pretty sure everyone dreams every night. It's just you
Speaker 3: forget it. It was like, straight.
Speaker 1: Away, within seconds something that was recommended to me. I
Speaker 1: can't remember it was one of my friends from Monroe,
Speaker 1: I can't I don't know if it was like Nacio
Speaker 1: or who Probably not, But something that they do to
Speaker 1: journal everything. They don't even write it down. They just
Speaker 1: pull up a note on their phone and they just
Speaker 1: talk to it and just drot it down. Like you
Speaker 1: don't have to be like methodical and meticulous. Just capture it,
Speaker 1: you know, like you do with music.
Speaker 2: Try it.
Speaker 1: Just pull up a note, make make little dream notes
Speaker 1: on your on your phone and just kind of talk
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do that with music. If you hear a
Speaker 2: little riff or a little thing in your head.
Speaker 3: That's one of the most annoying things when I get
Speaker 3: to sleep, because I'm like, oh, just the best fucking
Speaker 3: riff all, but I need to get all the beds
Speaker 3: we even be able to write it down or something,
Speaker 3: or like sing it in my phone. Please remember it,
Speaker 3: please remember it. And then I wake up and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't remember that with yeah anything. And another annoying
Speaker 3: thing that always happens is I have a dream where
Speaker 3: I'm like seeing a band live, and then I'll realize
Speaker 3: I'm dreaming, and then I'll be like, Okay, I'm not
Speaker 3: seeing a band that exists. This band is in my
Speaker 3: my dream. So this riff is now mine for the taking,
Speaker 3: and it's sick. So all I need to do now
Speaker 3: is remember the riff.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So what I'm gonna do right, let me think, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: what I'll do is I'll write it down, and then
Speaker 3: when I wake up, all I have to do is
Speaker 3: look at the paper.
Speaker 2: And I wake up, I'm like, oh, I know exactly.
Speaker 1: You wake up and you're like, why am I naked?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Write my people?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Marbler?
Speaker 2: I would gobbler everyone. Yeah. I do it all the time.
Speaker 2: I'll get a little and it for some reason, it
Speaker 2: does seem like like either just waking up or just
Speaker 2: about to fall asleep. They start coming in and you
Speaker 2: can ask Casey, I'll just be like and I'm like,
Speaker 2: grab my phone and got by dating Dian and then
Speaker 2: she's like, what do you do? Like I had an idea,
Speaker 2: I had to I'm sorry, I had to record it
Speaker 2: before I forgot it.
Speaker 3: To be fair that when you are like waking up
Speaker 3: and then going to sleep, that's like when you're the
Speaker 3: kind of your vibration almost changes, and it's like when
Speaker 3: you're the closest to the kind of meditative perfect state
Speaker 3: of being shifting.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, consciousness is phase shifting and fader too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I think like music in general, but like for us,
Speaker 3: like rifts and like you know, cool melodies and stuff.
Speaker 3: I think they exist somewhere else. It's not like in
Speaker 3: our dimension, and we like access them to like, because
Speaker 3: the best rifts always come when you're not even thinking,
Speaker 3: you're not trying to write a rift, Like you pick
Speaker 3: up a guitar maybe and you're be like, oh.
Speaker 1: What's this, Oh ship, that's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you don't know where it came from, but
Speaker 3: it's sick. And I think that that's like it's it's
Speaker 3: unlike realm somewhere there's like a realm of awesome, sick,
Speaker 3: thick rifts. And that's one of my one of my
Speaker 3: like main long tim goals for like doing Monroe stuff
Speaker 3: is to be able to like consciously access that realm,
Speaker 3: like flying around like, oh, that's a nice.
Speaker 1: Creation station. Yeah, we were talking about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have the exact same philosophy with music. I've
Speaker 2: talked about that on the show.
Speaker 1: We have entire episodes about that. There's a clip.
Speaker 2: Of me saying that exact thing what you're saying right there,
Speaker 2: like music exists somewhere else, or in general, I think
Speaker 2: like it exists in a in a realm somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I think it's called music is magic. The episode we did.
Speaker 5: On it, and could I just add the for Avans
Speaker 5: fans out there, and oh yeah, Avan also writes guitar.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and you know it does a lot of
Speaker 5: the music.
Speaker 4: So it's not just one. It's a mastermind.
Speaker 1: If I ever think so, oh yeah, he's like a mad scientist,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 5: And it's not just me though, let me just of
Speaker 5: course it's not just of course, you're just multi down
Speaker 5: and like singing together is one of the best things
Speaker 5: I've ever seen in my life. And I love being
Speaker 5: a part of that environment where you see the creative
Speaker 5: if from both of them, and.
Speaker 4: It's just amazing and it's funny, it's cool.
Speaker 5: Vibes and you know, I don't want to go on off,
Speaker 5: go off on a full tangent, but that there's definitely
Speaker 5: something to music.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I always used to say that, you know, what if
Speaker 5: talking what if Middle Earth is real? What if Skyving
Speaker 5: is real? But you know, with Silma Religan for example,
Speaker 5: you know, the world was created by sound music. And
Speaker 5: you know, look at what we mentioned last night Pythagoris
Speaker 5: about I can't remember what it is, but there's the
Speaker 5: specific the harmony of.
Speaker 3: Yeahs from what is sound and music vibration, which.
Speaker 1: Is literally Hinduism. Oh yeah, you know, yeah, we talked
Speaker 1: about that in the cimatics, so.
Speaker 4: It's a link they spuck to what it was on
Speaker 4: the pup Park.
Speaker 2: Music is magic, That's the thing, is it is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: That's that's the truth.
Speaker 1: And I also just think creativity in general is magic.
Speaker 1: I mean you know that, you know, especially when you
Speaker 1: do Gateway, they walk you through that. That's one of
Speaker 1: the amazing things about the Gateway voyage is they cram
Speaker 1: you with information about the right versus the left brain.
Speaker 1: You know, like they made me watch a ted talk.
Speaker 1: Did you guys have to watch that one about the
Speaker 1: lady that was having the stroke? It's brilliant, right I
Speaker 1: think we saw that. Yeah, yeah, well it was just brilliant.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a neuroscientist. You guys should honestly watch it.
Speaker 1: It's like ten minutes if I can find it for you.
Speaker 1: She's a neuroscientist, right, she starts having a stroke. But
Speaker 1: the stroke was it was in her left brain, right,
Speaker 1: So because she's a neuroscienceist, she's like fascinated at what's
Speaker 1: happening in her brain. So she's kind of like documenting
Speaker 1: the cognitive decline that she's experiencing as the stroke. There's
Speaker 1: like a I don't remember if it was a tumor
Speaker 1: or what, but there's like I think it was an abscess.
Speaker 1: It was like growing in her brain, shutting down her
Speaker 1: leftern hemis or leftern I was thinking of western and
Speaker 1: lefter hen but the left hemisphere of her brain. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like beginning to shut down, and she's losing it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in her mind, she's losing all of her logical and
Speaker 1: like time and spatial function, spatial functioning, attempting to like
Speaker 1: call nine to one one. But she's struggling because her
Speaker 1: left brain is shutting down. So the TED talk is
Speaker 1: her like walking you through each step of her cognitive
Speaker 1: decline and then explaining to you the magic of the
Speaker 1: right brain and how that that she like clicked and
Speaker 1: realized there was magic in the right brain. It's brilliant, dude.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's brilliant.
Speaker 2: Easy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's really incredible. It's like one of the
Speaker 1: best ten minute videos I've ever seen. Yeah, it's really deep.
Speaker 2: I want to see that.
Speaker 1: She ties it to like consciousness and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But it's a TED talk, so it's like super sciencey,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: But oh my gosh, how fascinating and what a unique
Speaker 2: perspective too. How many people could even be well, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, it's like, first of all, how many people
Speaker 2: does that happen to? And then secondly, it's like to
Speaker 2: have the wherewithal to think, I need to document what's
Speaker 2: happening to me while.
Speaker 1: As she's a brain scientist, you know, Yeah, she's like
Speaker 1: perfect the opportunity, Yeah, kind of, it's very profound.
Speaker 2: And then to document like the right brain kind of
Speaker 2: compensating for Yeah, wow, I got to see that.
Speaker 1: Her language is starting to fade, her speech is slurring
Speaker 1: because her left brain is shutting down, and you know,
Speaker 1: she's like struggling to even dial the numbers on the phone.
Speaker 1: And I think somebody at her office was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, something's wrong. What happened to her? We need
Speaker 1: to check on her because she's been gone for hours
Speaker 1: and she got kind of rescued and she's fine but
Speaker 1: really cool. So yeah, I mean, it's fascinating stuff. Man,
Speaker 1: Like the magic. I just guess the right brain is creativity,
Speaker 1: it's art, it's you know, it's it's e motion, it's think.
Speaker 2: It's a direct link to the ka, the soul. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a direct it. You know, we we have these
Speaker 2: like crude senses and these crude forms of communication that
Speaker 2: we we think we're good at communicating for for all
Speaker 2: we know we are, but then there's still always things
Speaker 2: that we feel that we think that we just can't articulate.
Speaker 3: You just something that's going to blow your mind. Every
Speaker 3: single word in the dictionary needs another word in the
Speaker 3: dictionary to describe it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 3: So it's just a big recassive loop. Is always an
Speaker 3: inherent limitation.
Speaker 1: I never thought about that. Actually, yeah, it's an infinite
Speaker 1: feedback loop. I never once concerned that.
Speaker 2: But like music isn't music, it doesn't you don't nothing
Speaker 2: has to qualify it infinite. Yeah, art, a painting doesn't
Speaker 2: have to be described.
Speaker 1: That's true. You don't need to learn how to feel
Speaker 1: about it or how to understand it or react to it.
Speaker 2: A child can look at a painting or hear a song.
Speaker 3: Like music all the time. Yeah, I seem like like
Speaker 3: buds and stuff, like.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. My cat. I have a cat name,
Speaker 2: he's a I have a big twenty pound cat, big fluffy,
Speaker 2: huge lion, and uh he his name's sugar Bear. And
Speaker 2: he's very anxious. But you play any kind of music
Speaker 2: around him and he just like he'll just flop over,
Speaker 2: literally flop over and turn it upside down. And it's
Speaker 2: just like he's a different cat if there's music, any
Speaker 2: kind of music. Even Casey will just sing to him sometimes,
Speaker 2: so just sing around him and he'll just immediately calm down.
Speaker 2: You'll see his eyes start to soften and stuff. And
Speaker 2: it's like they don't they have no context whatsoever. They're
Speaker 2: just receiving raw data.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just sounds.
Speaker 2: It just sounds that's.
Speaker 1: He was telling us. I don't know which one of
Speaker 1: y'all was or wasn't in the room, but he was
Speaker 1: saying that he has these friends that the only thing
Speaker 1: in the world that calms their dog down is playing infant.
Speaker 1: Can you believe that? I believe that? But like, can
Speaker 1: you believe that? That's insane? That dog is? That dog
Speaker 1: is uh, how do you say it? He's a legend
Speaker 1: in the head. No, but yes, he's also a legend too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's also a legend too. It's also a legend.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's like, you know, there's a stigma about
Speaker 2: like extreme metal music that it's like scary or calms
Speaker 2: me down or it's anxiety inducing or whatever. But like
Speaker 2: my nieces and nephew, like ever since they were like
Speaker 2: three or four years old, will be on like a
Speaker 2: road trip and they're like begging me to put my
Speaker 2: headphones on them so that they can listen to my
Speaker 2: like disgustingly heavy metal music whatever it is, because they
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, he liked it when we were kids
Speaker 1: and we heard it, We're like, whoa, it's the forbidden Fruit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: My parents don't like this, therefore.
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it's like without
Speaker 2: the outside context or outside influence, just taking it in raw,
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, it speaks for itself. I guess
Speaker 2: that's a good way.
Speaker 3: To put its raw dog and music, Raw dog.
Speaker 1: And music, Raw dog and music.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like that. That's uh. That that's uh, that's brilliant.
Speaker 2: That's brilliant.
Speaker 1: It's brilliant.
Speaker 2: You're you're peppering that word in huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I recognize brilliance.
Speaker 2: You are brilliant right now. If I may say, well.
Speaker 1: I'm in uh a crowd of like minded people, I'm
Speaker 1: only a reflection of all of your energy beaming before me.
Speaker 4: I'm on the raw in the UK. That that's something
Speaker 4: called dogaine to you guys.
Speaker 3: You guys had a dog in dogging? Wait, this is
Speaker 3: funer friendly right, No.
Speaker 1: We've swam like now, you're fine.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: Dogging would be like you dog on your friends, you
Speaker 1: joke around, that's true. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, If I'm dogging on Ryan here, that means like
Speaker 2: I'm I'm like making fun of him, or I'm like
Speaker 2: picking on him or something like that. What is it? Okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you cut. I feel like you're explaining.
Speaker 3: Well, it's not much to explain. It's just driving to
Speaker 3: a car park, a secluded car park usually like in
Speaker 3: the middle of nowhere, to do what to watch other
Speaker 3: people and have other people what you do sexual things.
Speaker 4: And it's not old mocket men.
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's a lot of data packed into.
Speaker 2: The you know, it's like voyeuristic type stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, and away that's now. I don't
Speaker 1: think we use that much the same way.
Speaker 2: That's so much more specific than I thought it would.
Speaker 3: It's very specific.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if there's like a word for
Speaker 2: that here.
Speaker 1: It would just be like people to make out reef.
Speaker 2: Would be like peeping or like uh moving on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just I think just you Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: providing cultural We've been doing it for three days now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dogging.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been We've been dogging for.
Speaker 1: Legal reasons. That is a joke, no, but seriously, we've
Speaker 1: been doing it for three days now and it's been hilarious.
Speaker 1: We're in the kitchen cooking, there's fires going on, and
Speaker 1: she's like, she's like, I need the joke.
Speaker 2: What was the word the jug? And she was talking
Speaker 2: about a measuring.
Speaker 1: A measuring cup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we're like we're eating the food and
Speaker 2: it's so good and we're like, damn, you put your
Speaker 2: foot in that. And they're like, what, like that's that's not?
Speaker 2: Like that was good? Yeah, yeah exactly, and we're like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's good as fun. It's so good. It's like really good.
Speaker 2: You put your foot in it.
Speaker 1: Oh I thought you men, I stepped and ship. It's
Speaker 1: just like back and forth. It's hilarious. But no, you're
Speaker 1: right that there's so many different, you know, meanings packed
Speaker 1: into words, and to try to wrap it to something
Speaker 1: with a sliver of seriousness, I give up. I do
Speaker 1: have a question, though, I'm curious to know, because I
Speaker 1: don't think I've outright asked. I'm curious to know how
Speaker 1: you got into our story, how you're exposed to it,
Speaker 1: How how you can't think.
Speaker 3: I think I think I'd always seen little bits here
Speaker 3: in that because I'm like a very rapid holy person,
Speaker 3: and every now and again, on one of the many
Speaker 3: rabbit holes that go down, like I would always just
Speaker 3: see the blood zoname just pop up every now and again,
Speaker 3: and after a while I would like be like, really
Speaker 3: need to look into this a bit more. And then
Speaker 3: I can't remember where it was, but it was like,
Speaker 3: if you want to get serious about this topic, and
Speaker 3: he's kind of look into the bloodsuff so I was
Speaker 3: like okay, and I did, and I was like, holy shit,
Speaker 3: interesting long story show. That was basically what happened.
Speaker 2: Ye had you seen ORBS prior to that, or you
Speaker 2: might not have known a look.
Speaker 3: I can't remember what. I can't remember the exact timeline
Speaker 3: of it all. I've had some experiences, but it wasn't
Speaker 3: like it was all kind of meditative experiences. It wasn't
Speaker 3: like out in the default reality kind of sea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, but you saw or before we officially
Speaker 1: met though, right, Oh, actually I remember, Yeah, I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember. Okay, let's go into that.
Speaker 3: It was around the whole drone or well, I remember
Speaker 3: when that happened. It was around that time.
Speaker 1: I remember we met somewhere around late October and November
Speaker 1: for the first phone call, and you guys were about
Speaker 1: to go on a trip to the Maryland site, the
Speaker 1: one this is just the same one that you were
Speaker 1: showing them the pictures of. Yeah, yeah, okay, And I
Speaker 1: don't remember. I just I feel like I just told
Speaker 1: you guys, very minimally, like, look, you can see orbs.
Speaker 1: You don't need to be with me, you don't need
Speaker 1: to have any special, you know, thing going on, just
Speaker 1: to like kind of look up and request. Didn't I
Speaker 1: say something like that was something very generally yeah. And
Speaker 1: then we touched base again after their trip and they're like,
Speaker 1: we got all the way there, two hour drive, had
Speaker 1: fun at this place whatever, and then they were like
Speaker 1: on the drive back, we saw them while they were
Speaker 1: in the car, so it was like the first time
Speaker 1: we met. They were just like boom, okay, we see
Speaker 1: orbs now, you know which usually it takes a little longer.
Speaker 1: And the only reason is because I've come to realize
Speaker 1: now it's the belief in the individual.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know. Yeah, you guys were just ready. That's
Speaker 2: what your dad was telling me when we were thirteen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, and like you gotta believe is it's you know,
Speaker 2: if you don't believe, you won't see it.
Speaker 3: I feel like there's a bit of like a misconception
Speaker 3: in those kinds, in that kind of coming from someone
Speaker 3: who is like a big skeptic, I feel like that
Speaker 3: that kind of way of thinking about it always kind
Speaker 3: of put me off it a little bit.
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of by design a little bit, probably, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's probably got to do a little bit of the work.
Speaker 1: You gotta take that step towards the light, towards the truth,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: But because for me, it's like less because I think
Speaker 3: the I don't know if it's just it's probably I
Speaker 3: don't know how to explain this, Like it's not like
Speaker 3: you have to even believe in the sense that you're like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I believe it's going to happen tonight. It's
Speaker 3: it's for me, it's less about believing it's going to
Speaker 3: happen and more about just not It's like it's like
Speaker 3: the kind of the almost the opposite where it's like
Speaker 3: it's not believing that something's going to happen, it's not,
Speaker 3: it's just not being completely closed.
Speaker 2: Off to it.
Speaker 3: You believing that it could happen, believe not even believing
Speaker 3: that it could, just not disbelieving that it could ever happened.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I mean, Yeah, being open to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. That's exactly how my dad describes it. Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: you know, just be open to it. Just just the
Speaker 1: thing he always says is like, don't inject doubt. Doubt
Speaker 1: will push it away. Just be open, just you know,
Speaker 1: or like Monroe always says, I think this is genius.
Speaker 1: In fact, I would, you know, I would go to
Speaker 1: great lengths to say that it's brilliant. And they say,
Speaker 1: be curious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's.
Speaker 1: Like one of their taglines, like be curious, explore, you know,
Speaker 1: go find out for yourself, be curious. Yeah, why can't
Speaker 1: why not?
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, when we when we were kids twelve
Speaker 2: and thirteen, I was very scared of this whole conversation
Speaker 2: at first, because I mean it was very it was
Speaker 2: super early into all of it. This was pre twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: pre the Lady, pre a lot of the spiritual context
Speaker 2: that we now.
Speaker 1: Or really just most of the context. It was just
Speaker 1: raw experience.
Speaker 2: It was really just the river experience and then just
Speaker 2: raw experiences at your house. That was all that had happened.
Speaker 2: And so for me, being like just a good little
Speaker 2: Christian boy at the time, never you know, knowing about
Speaker 2: any of this stuff, it was scary. It was scary
Speaker 2: for me, and but I had the curiosity of like, well,
Speaker 2: I mean, they're all seeing it, like I want to
Speaker 2: see what's up, but.
Speaker 1: I was afraid that you're scared of it. But a
Speaker 1: part of you has that door slightly open.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so then every time, you know, I would
Speaker 2: talk to to Ryan's dad and he would just be like,
Speaker 2: you gotta gotta let go. There's no reason to be afraid.
Speaker 2: You have to like just believe a little bit. You
Speaker 2: gotta like believe that. Be open to it. He said
Speaker 2: that so many times, be open to it. Be open
Speaker 2: to it. And it took a while, but eventually I think,
Speaker 2: I don't know, some of the fear may be melted
Speaker 2: away or something. And it just started happening, and it
Speaker 2: was like it's like momentum builds. It's strange, it's almost
Speaker 2: out of your control. Once it starts. It's like just
Speaker 2: starts building momentum and going and going and going. But
Speaker 2: it is fascinating how it's such a it seems to
Speaker 2: be such a personal experience. Yeah, yeah, you know, And
Speaker 2: that's trippy that that's one of the trippy parts about it.
Speaker 2: Because one thing, if we're all just observing something in
Speaker 2: the sky, right, but the element of it that's like,
Speaker 2: well that thing in the sky is connected directly to you.
Speaker 2: It's like that part of it is trippy. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: people have the hardest time with that, and it may
Speaker 2: be the most important part of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, something I just thought about while you were
Speaker 1: explaining how you were so scared as a kid. You
Speaker 1: were a good Christian boy. And it's like, if you
Speaker 1: back up and you think about it, the people and
Speaker 1: this is true in all the comments we get and
Speaker 1: the ridicule, in the humiliation that we've received from family
Speaker 1: and people in our community growing up like far before
Speaker 1: we were even you know, public, and the way that
Speaker 1: we are now. But the people that always have the
Speaker 1: strongest and harshest and most brutal pushback to this knowledge,
Speaker 1: to this story, to anything that's happening in our you
Speaker 1: know sphere are very religious people, for sure. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: that's kind of weird when you think about it, because
Speaker 1: you would think that the very religious people are the
Speaker 1: most confident and not afraid of the spirit world. Right,
Speaker 1: They're at peace with God. They're supposed to be like,
Speaker 1: you know, I've got this pretty well figured out, right,
Speaker 1: But you know, the more you think about it and
Speaker 1: you peel that back, it's like they're really the most traumatized,
Speaker 1: the most terrified of the spirit world. You know, it's
Speaker 1: got to be demonic and angels ain't real. But the
Speaker 1: demons are surely the ones that are constantly manifesting for
Speaker 1: everybody to see. But the angels, nah, they don't have power.
Speaker 1: They're not shown up in our world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that part of it is strange, isn't it. But
Speaker 2: it's weird to be inherent with a lot of religious
Speaker 2: fault at least I would say, like it with it
Speaker 2: comes this. There can't just be like a faith. I
Speaker 2: mean it should be that way, right, but a lot
Speaker 2: of religious people I find a lot of very outwardly
Speaker 2: religious people. I should say, there's not just a faith thing.
Speaker 2: There's also this attack element to it, where it's like
Speaker 2: anything that is not exactly what I believe, I have
Speaker 2: to attack it, like.
Speaker 1: It's like just tribalism, and it's it is it is.
Speaker 1: We do that with everything.
Speaker 3: We humans do it football teams.
Speaker 2: I was literally gonna I call it the football mentality.
Speaker 2: It's like we do it with our politics, we do
Speaker 2: it with everything. It's like if if you're not on
Speaker 2: my team, then you're on the other team, and like
Speaker 2: we're gonna fight, that's it. Yeah, yeah, it is. It
Speaker 2: really is like old ancient tribalism, caveman type mentality stuff,
Speaker 2: and it's like, hey, like you're not a caveman anymore, dude,
Speaker 2: Like we can all think freely and you don't got
Speaker 2: to be like attacking, which an ironic part of it
Speaker 2: is that's typically against what most religions believe in their
Speaker 2: actual texts. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just all about like, well most of it
Speaker 3: is like about.
Speaker 2: Like just being chill, being chill, looking inwards, chill. It's
Speaker 2: not like you know, and you ask some of these
Speaker 2: people like it's like why are you You ask people
Speaker 2: like why are you doing this? Oh, you have to testify.
Speaker 2: You have to testify. The Bible tells us we have
Speaker 2: to testify against this. It's like that's a stretch. Testifying
Speaker 2: is one thing, like condemning people to their face, and
Speaker 2: like attacking people is a completely different thing. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: for sure, it's an ironic thing.
Speaker 1: It is. It is. It's almost like a paradox, but.
Speaker 2: It is because I think it ends up having the
Speaker 2: opposite effect that these people think they wish it would
Speaker 2: have on people.
Speaker 1: You know, I think in reality, the very very super
Speaker 1: overly religious are the most afraid of the spiritual world.
Speaker 1: They're they're every and and I know this from experience.
Speaker 1: I'm not like I was this as a child and
Speaker 1: growing up and then you know, I started having these
Speaker 1: experiences and I broke free. But I feel like the
Speaker 1: people that are extremely overly religious and all of their
Speaker 1: communication with God in whatever form they imagine, is constantly
Speaker 1: just like a request to escape damnation, like you know,
Speaker 1: please forgive me, please, you know, please add you know,
Speaker 1: or it's the opposite, is egotistical and I'm a better
Speaker 1: Christian than you, but you know, and that's a whole
Speaker 1: nother story, right, But anyway, that's that's a strange tangent.
Speaker 1: But I just kind of had a realization while you
Speaker 1: were telling that story.
Speaker 5: But can I just say, at least Infinite and especially
Speaker 5: the first album they called out like the religious color
Speaker 5: Ish and ped Defiles.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, you said, you said, cool,
Speaker 1: we'll just we'll just we'll agree that you did.
Speaker 5: Definitely meant you know, at least, no matter how extreme
Speaker 5: Infinite are, And you know, like I think at the
Speaker 5: end of the day that them high lying really insane
Speaker 5: things that go on with religion or not even religion.
Speaker 5: Now fucking Jeffrey Epstein, you know, a client list and
Speaker 5: all that ship.
Speaker 3: That none of that actually happened, of course happened, didn't exist.
Speaker 5: They high light in such an extreme way. And you know,
Speaker 5: even with the extreme band name, it's just one of
Speaker 5: those things by you know, it's you're rebelling against it
Speaker 5: by high lying in a m h.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: See that's an interesting perspective because and I'm glad we're
Speaker 1: going this way. I think it's a great place to
Speaker 1: kind of wind down and sort of I think I'm
Speaker 1: on my uh, I think I'm on my Red Riding
Speaker 1: Hood era for the moment.
Speaker 2: Red Corning Hood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Assassin's cream called Assassin's cream corn getting shucked and creamed.
Speaker 1: But do you ever have dreams? You're Spider Man? You
Speaker 1: shoot webs? Yes all the time?
Speaker 3: Right, yes, one of my I always have dreams when
Speaker 3: I'm shooting.
Speaker 2: Web Yeah, one of my Lucid dreams. Actually a few
Speaker 2: of them. I think, what my first ever time that
Speaker 2: I Lucid dreamed. The first thing that I did was
Speaker 2: shoot webs like Spider Man. The first thing I did.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, every time.
Speaker 2: The first time I ever Loocid dreamed. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm dreaming, and I was just.
Speaker 1: Like, I had a vivid dream the other night. I
Speaker 1: was beaming webs and I woke up. I was like,
Speaker 1: I woke up. This was like the other night and
Speaker 1: I woke up and I was like, I really do
Speaker 1: wish I possessed that power, you know, to be able
Speaker 1: to just shoot webs. It would be you so sick,
Speaker 1: but like the Toby version. But right, Yeah, anyway, I'm
Speaker 1: glad we're what's that?
Speaker 2: Oh, no, we're here. We're yeah, I'm with you. I'm
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: Did I miss a transmission?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Man, We're just talking about how good you shoot your webs?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Mine get real sticky at night time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're great at it.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about from my hands. We are too well.
Speaker 1: I think that somewhere our wires got crossed. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to transition back to what we were fading into
Speaker 1: because I just like, I think that this this does
Speaker 1: require some attention, because obviously people don't tune into our ship.
Speaker 1: We're not a metal show. We are whatever we want
Speaker 1: to be. We have whatever guests we want to have.
Speaker 1: Nick and I are very passionate about metal. Uh, so
Speaker 1: we'll have somebody on who is in the metal. You know,
Speaker 1: we're passionate about anime. We'll have somebody on who's in
Speaker 1: the anime, we're passionate about video games. We'll have somebody
Speaker 1: who's been a videogame. We talk about whatever we want
Speaker 1: to talk about. And there's a lot of our fan
Speaker 1: base that they don't give a shit about metal. Okay,
Speaker 1: they're ordinary people. They're seeking very spiritual things. They're enjoying,
Speaker 1: you know, a wide variety of conversations that we're having
Speaker 1: with people. So I think, like, for those people at home,
Speaker 1: I'm just imagining they're going they're finding if an annihilated
Speaker 1: at the googling the lyrics and like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: They have gone off the deep end. So I was
Speaker 1: wondering if you had any sort of clarity to provide
Speaker 1: towards people out there who just wouldn't don't stand, just
Speaker 1: don't get it. Yeah, like, well what's the point you know?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean originally before our like I was a
Speaker 3: lot younger when we started the band basically, and originally
Speaker 3: it was just kind of well, first of all, we
Speaker 3: didn't think that anyone would even listen to it, so
Speaker 3: it was just kind of the mindset going into it
Speaker 3: was like, we want to write the most extreme music
Speaker 3: instrumentally as possible.
Speaker 1: You achieved that right from the beginning.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I don't know about that, but it was cool.
Speaker 3: It was a fun time anyway. The point is the lyrics,
Speaker 3: we thought, you know, they should be what's the most
Speaker 3: like Musically, We're like, what's the most extreme music we
Speaker 3: can write? And then lyrically, what's the most extreme lyrics
Speaker 3: that you can talk about? What's the most like brutal
Speaker 3: thing that there is?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know the band name is the Clue.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a clue. It is.
Speaker 3: So at first it was just kind of the it
Speaker 3: was like, what would you call it, like.
Speaker 2: Just like the shock factor of it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, basically just kind of like a very shocking
Speaker 1: can we be? Yeah, how over the top can you
Speaker 1: get you're explaining? Yeah, how over the top? How ridiculous
Speaker 1: you're explaining to me? It's like it's like a horror movie.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 1: And I asked this. I wanted to talk about this
Speaker 1: just because that there are people who I think that
Speaker 1: take this And again I say this from experience growing
Speaker 1: up around people who are very really just you know,
Speaker 1: and and some people read this stuff and they take
Speaker 1: it literally and they're like, oh my god, these people
Speaker 1: are really into this ship, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I think anyway, so.
Speaker 3: That's a really good thing, the horror movie thing, because
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, regardless of what we write about,
Speaker 3: you know, it is it's at the end of the day. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it is horrible ship. Some of the stuff, like
Speaker 3: if you're not into metal, for one, don't read it.
Speaker 3: If you actually no, let me scratch that. Just don't
Speaker 3: read the lyrics. Don't do it to yourself. There's no point.
Speaker 3: You won't find enjoyment.
Speaker 2: Well, part of the funny thing is and it's a
Speaker 2: meme with metal, but it's like, oh, what the hell
Speaker 2: are they saying? Yeah, but it's like, if you're doing
Speaker 2: such guttural noises that there's no understanding and stuff, yeah,
Speaker 2: without reading the lyrics, then sure, let's just make the
Speaker 2: lyrics like the most insane shit anyway, why not, nobody's
Speaker 2: gonna know what we're saying unless it's funny.
Speaker 1: That was really funny. Scratch that's legendary.
Speaker 3: So it's like a horror film, like just because you know,
Speaker 3: someone makes a super gary horror movie doesn't mean that
Speaker 3: they're like a murderer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I think that's very well said.
Speaker 2: Of horror movies and horror directors out there. They're not
Speaker 2: like all a bunch of psychopathic murderer people who are
Speaker 2: in They're just like it's like it's.
Speaker 1: Art, well, you know, and and and the only reason
Speaker 1: I even wanted to talk about this in the first
Speaker 1: place is for for the very lowest common denominator, like
Speaker 1: very general person who's out there and they're hearing this,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just like I I felt like,
Speaker 1: I felt like, uh, you know what, what an interesting
Speaker 1: perspective to like hear the thought process from you, you know,
Speaker 1: from the mind that's that's making this music. Again, I
Speaker 1: I'm thrown away the key. I just locked my lips.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: People will just have to very patiently wait for the
Speaker 1: new album, you know what, and that and and and
Speaker 1: uh yeah, it's I'm trying to think. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: of how to say things without giving away anything, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But it's incredible and I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody will really be able to deny that, you know,
Speaker 1: in this in this space, you.
Speaker 2: Know, like it's there's no preparing for it.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's unbelievable. And I hope it's okay. And
Speaker 1: if you don't want me to say this, I'll cut
Speaker 1: it happily. But I think it's very high art.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: I think that the vibe you're going for is just
Speaker 1: shockingly just great. And whatever you were going for, you
Speaker 1: nailed it and people are gonna love it.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And if that's cool, then yeah, I don't really, I'm
Speaker 1: at peace. I think that's a great place to a piece.
Speaker 2: You're at piece. You kind of look like a corn
Speaker 2: like monk or something, right now, make you worship some corn?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: Yea, was that embarrassing?
Speaker 2: No, it was really cool. I think do you feel embarrassed?
Speaker 1: I feel free, you know, yeah? I feel good.
Speaker 2: I feel like you feel like you're free as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's a decree from a pie from the crown
Speaker 1: to the free. Yeah, last question for last question. And
Speaker 1: we've tortured you enough. We've we've made you toilet labor,
Speaker 1: loved minute.
Speaker 3: It's been awesome. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: It's been really cool, our pleasure.
Speaker 1: I hope that it's been fun. I hope it's been
Speaker 1: just like care free and like totally just a good time.
Speaker 1: And that's that's really at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: That's all we're trying to do.
Speaker 2: But well, oh yeah, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Helen Big shout out best cooking all
Speaker 3: of England.
Speaker 1: The truth, that's a fact. The Sunday Dinner Queen again,
Speaker 1: Sunday tea.
Speaker 2: No, she said, Sunday dinner.
Speaker 1: She said herself, Hey, tonight, it's lunch, you know, And
Speaker 1: I keep.
Speaker 4: Correct you people.
Speaker 2: Sorry for stepping on your final question.
Speaker 1: That is kind of me right now. Actually now I'm embarrassed. Okay, anyway,
Speaker 1: this is something I do like to ask guests. This
Speaker 1: is just a if I remember, I don't always bet.
Speaker 1: I try to remember, you know, and I ask everybody this.
Speaker 1: But if you just like had the attention of everybody
Speaker 1: and you felt like there was something on your mind
Speaker 1: or on your heart that you just feel like you
Speaker 1: want people to know. You know, what is it that
Speaker 1: you feel like you want to leave people with before
Speaker 1: you leave the earth? You know, your most important little
Speaker 1: nugget of wisdom, Like what would that be.
Speaker 3: Kind of wish you'd have asked me this before, so
Speaker 3: I could have prepared something.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be that deep, you know, that's
Speaker 1: a big question.
Speaker 3: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: You know we got to drop some heat at the
Speaker 1: end of every episode, throwing the before you leave the
Speaker 1: Earth bit on their ways. I started doing that with Kyle. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did kind of transform the guy a little dramatic. Well,
Speaker 1: we got to meet the quota quota, you know, of
Speaker 1: being dramatic of little interesting tidbits, you'd meet a little
Speaker 1: interesting too.
Speaker 2: Little interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it doesn't have to be that deep, man,
Speaker 1: It's just it's you know, like what's important to you, you know,
Speaker 1: like what would you want to leave people? It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you gotta believe me, man, what is it? I'm not
Speaker 1: viewing orb think it could be one word, it could
Speaker 1: be twenty.
Speaker 3: Maybe it would be like a message to my past self,
Speaker 3: who was like a super hard nose skeptic about everything. Uh,
Speaker 3: don't be a dick for one and two. Just like,
Speaker 3: just because you've heard it repeated a million times by
Speaker 3: people in authority means shit all it means nothing. Look
Speaker 3: into stuff yourself. If you've got an intuition about something,
Speaker 3: don't ignore it. Look into stuff that you think is cool.
Speaker 3: Don't know what anyone else thinks. Don't think about what
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Speaker 3: not having someone else. Yeah, just have a cool time
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 2: That's it, right there.
Speaker 1: Can't top that, That's it? Can you know what hats on?
Speaker 2: Come on now, don come on Don Mobler?
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that that that was deep. So, uh thank
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