Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis
your host. We've got a great show for you this evening.
Bill Carter, who actually reached out to me during one
of my live streams and I popped in my email
address and we've been in touch. A very interesting guy.
Should be quite fascinating, and so stay tuned for that.
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Speaker 2: Hello Bill, Nice to meet you and finally get to
talk to you Martin. I know we've spoken a few times,
just touch and go, but I'm glad if I would
be able to sit down with you.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, and you have you were in the military.
Did I hear you say three times?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I served four in the Marine Corps, three in
the Army and National Guard, and then three again in
just the National Guard. The last time I was in.
Speaker 3: That pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: So but you also one of the things you told
me is so you've had you had a childhood UFO
seting that kind of alerted you to there's something going
on unusual.
Speaker 2: Yeah. When I was living in Whole, Georgia, right outside
of Athens, Georgia. My family lived there when I was
really young, and yeah, happened around nineteen seventy seven. We
were outside. It was pretty warm that night. I remember
it because I didn't have any shoes on. Back then,
you know, kids they liked to run around barefooted a lot,
and I was going from my uncle's house he lived. Well,
it was actually a trailer across from ours. We lived
in a very very small trailer park in Whule, Georgia,
and I was going across this little gravel road going
to our trailer that we lived in, and I saw
something out the corner of my eye and it looked
at first like a glowing fire. I thought, actually that
the field was on fire. I'd never really been around
any like big fires or anything at that age, but
it was enough to scare me, and I just froze
and looked at it, and I could see it was
about maybe eighty yards away, and I could see these
colors like orangish red, coming through the trees. And while
I was standing there, I heard my mother behind me
calling my name, you know, she was whispering, and she
was off to my left, and her and my sister
were duck down behind the trailer that we lived in,
trying to get me across the road. So finally I
ran across the road and got behind her, and I
kept trying to look at it, trying to, you know,
just see what it was, because she wasn't given any explanations,
and I could tell she was pretty scared herself. And
that was basically all I remembered at the time. So
fast forward to two thousand and nine and my unit
was at Egglin Air Force Base. We were there for
about two weeks. We actually had two missions there. One
was marijuana eradication and the other was garrison security. In
the days we did garrison security, we did it with
the Air Force Security Force guys, and one day he
asked if I wanted to go up to this site
with him. It was a restricted site, didn't look very
impressive at all, and it looked like just a small
radio station basically, and we got out. I went in
behind him, and as soon as we got into the lobby,
there was another Air Force Security Force guy over to
my left and on the wall I read this huge
mission statement that read we monitor all space activity terrestrial
and extraterrestrial from planet Earth. And my jaw just dropped.
And when I read that, I immediately thought about the time
when I was in Georgia back in seventy seven, and
I thought about something I hadn't thought about since I
was a kid. And I looked over to my left
and this guard at this podium over to the left
is just grinting from ear to ear at me reading
this sign and the security force guy that went in
there ahead of me. He was talking to a guy
in a white lab coat, and I didn't take another
step into the place. I basically was just all struck
by what I was seeing because the place it really
wasn't impressive. It looked like maybe like an old radio
station or something. Even when we left, I'd never talked
to the guy about what the place was. After we left,
it took me a few years to really think about
what I had saw there, and I recalled when we
got to the base. Usually when you get to a
new military base, you get a safety briefing. Usually military
police will get what you call am trying to remember
the word that we used for that. You get basically
a brief every day before you got on patrol. Well,
they give you the rundown of the base. And one
of the things they told us there when we got
there was that if we rode with the marine patrol
in the water surrounding the base, that we might get
to see some space junk that occasionally falls into water
surrounding the base. Now I had forgot about them telling
us that When we first got there. We all just
kind of laughed it off and I remember thinking that's
something I would not want to do, especially if it's
you know, been somewhere else and it falls in the water.
I didn't want to touch the thing, whatever it was.
So some interesting things happened, you know, when I had
time to look back on the place after I left.
One of the days that I was in hum Vy,
when we were doing marijuana eradication, I had stopped on
a dirt road not far from the Sight C six
where I was there, and I had to make a
nature call. So I heard like a twig crack or
something behind me, and I looked over and it was
about ten guys dressed in black. They had black camouflage faces,
you know, and they had these like repelling helmets like
special forces would use. They weren't like regular military helmets.
And we were billeted there. It was about five miles
away from the Army ranger camp where we were. So
after I left Eglin a few years later, I had
mentioned to my mother about what happened to us in
Whole Georgia back in the seventies, and she about jumped
out of her chair when I mentioned it. She said, you, Rember,
remember that. I said, yeah, I remember, it remember it
very well because I'd always thought that maybe it was
a dream. But I remember us going through a bob
war fence the next day. The next day after that happened,
we had a barb war fence at the end of
the trailer par so you have let me give you
a picture of what the trailer part looked like. It
had like four trailers on one side for the other.
To me as a kid, it looked huge, but going
back years later, it's just a small place. But then
you had like a gravel driveway that went through the
middle of it, and at the end there was a
barb war fence in a big field next to where
we lived. So the next day we go through the
barb war fence, and I remembered us standing around a
huge burnt circle on the ground. And she was really
surprised that I remembered it, and I asked her about it,
and she had never told me what happened that night
because I remembered seeing it. I remember, you know, getting
behind her. She said that I kept trying to look
around her to see it. But what she told me
was that she had seen it land and that when
she seemed like a ramp come out of the thing.
She said, that's when she got us and took us
in the house and locked the door. And I asked
her why, you know they never called the police. I said,
you ever talked to anybody about it? She said no,
because a lot of people were having sightings down there
back in those days, and that they were putting people
in mental institutions and locking them up for reporting it,
and that people were coming up missing. So I met
a guy that actually worked at site C six. I
met him through Reddit and he had worked at the
site from nineteen eighty one to eighty four. I think
I gave you our chat transcripts from what I talked
to him about. But yeah, I told him how impressed
I was at the place and if there was any
truth to you know, what I read on the wall there.
He said absolutely, you know, he said that they definitely
track UFOs from there when he worked there. He told
me that he had friends that he was told that
committed suicide, that he never saw their bodies, and that
the place had been sued several times over the years.
That the radar itself was so strong, like if birds
fly through it, they would evaporate. I mean just blow
them up. It was that strong. And I was talking
to my mom more about it. She actually drew a
picture of what the thing looked like. And she also
told me before that incident, that night, her and her fiance,
his brother, and his date were going down the road
and her fiance's brother looked out of the back glass
on the car when they were going down the road,
and one had started following them, and she said they
were scared to death. And that night they went home
and they all started carpooling to work. That's how bad
it got, and that's how frightened a lot of them were. Well.
A few years later, he come up missing. He's never
been found. I've never seen his name on any missing
persons list, and I thought that was odd because I thought, well,
maybe I could find him somewhere on a missing person's
list somewhere, because I had found her fiance's obituary from
two thousand and six and his brother was still listed
as missing. I found their sister's obituary she died a
few years later, and he was still listed as missing.
From what I understand, he was coming home from work
when I never made it. My grandmother also had a
story I never paid it much attention until I recalled
what happened to me and my mother that night, because
my mother, like I said, and I never discussed what
happened to us ever between each other until I brought
it up.
Speaker 1: So, what what what happened to your grandmother?
Speaker 3: Did you say something happened to your grandmother?
Speaker 2: Yeah? She told a story twice that I remember. She
said that she was coming home from work one night
and she was going around a curve and the curve
had like a little hill that separated the curve in
between it, and that this thing had gone in front
of her. It was it was directly over her car
till she got to the curve. Then it flew over her.
And she said she could see the glow from it
on the other side of the curve, and she was
terrified that when she rounded the curve it was still
going to be sitting there in the road. And she
said that when she got around the curve that it
it moved out of the way. She said that she
she just pushed the gas as far as she could,
and she just held onto the steering wheel. She said,
she just gave it all the gas she could. She
only talked about it two times that I remember, but
I never paid much attention to it until I recalled
the night that my mother and my sister and I
had our encounter.
Speaker 3: And you said your sister was too young to remember.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was. I think she might have been one
or two years. She's two years younger than me and
I was around four at the time. But it's something
I would never forget. And like I said, my mother,
she it's something that scared the wits out of her.
I mean, she just did not like talking about it.
We had a girl from NYU come down about two
years ago and interview us for about three days. I
haven't got to see the documentary yet. She talked to
us for three days about what happened, and she left,
and I've tried to contact her. I've sent messages to her.
She was Chinese. She did say that she was going
back to China probably after she graduated. She was a
senior at n y U. I picked her up from
the airport in Huntsville and brought her here and we
spoke with her for about two or three days. But
it's floating around out there somewhere. I've never got a
chance to see it.
Speaker 1: Now when you and your mother and your sister all
have this encounter. Did you are you or was your
mother where? When you talk to your mother recently, was
she aware of anyone else that witness it besides the uh,
the three of you.
Speaker 2: The night that we saw what we saw. Yes, no,
I know that my uncle lived across the street from us.
I don't really remember what time of the night it
was when it happened, but she did not like talking
about I was lucky that she even you know, mentioned
to me and admitted to it. And I had to
ask her about it before she would even talk about it,
because I was thinking the other day, you know, maybe
she talked to my grandmother about it or my grandfather,
but she never mentioned it around them, you know, growing up.
She said, whatever it was, it had three legs that
extended to the ground, and she said that she saw
a hatch on it open, and there was some kind
of like a ramp that came down to the ground.
And she said when she saw that, that's when she
grabbed us and took us inside. I was I was
amazed that she never told me that story, because my mother,
if she knows something, she can't keep a secret.
Speaker 1: Now, so there's there's what we call or I don't
say we called, but you know, you follow just call
as trace evidence when there's you know, the grassburn that
you're talking about, the circular burn mark, And that would
have been a really great thing to investigate if people
were involved. But I'm assuming that she didn't tell anyone
or report this to anyone.
Speaker 2: Well, that's when my military police training kicked in. I
asked her, I said, why didn't you call somebody? Why
didn't you tell somebody? She said, she said, they were
locking people up down there that were reporting it. She
said there was a lot of sightings down there, and
they were putting people in mental hospitals that were reporting
that stuff. So I said, well, I can kind of
understand then if that's the case. But I know she
told me that it got to the point where her
and my grandmother and my uncles, they what, they would
work at the same places sometimes and they would all
carpool to work because they didn't want to drive out
by their cells. That's how bad it got.
Speaker 3: Wow, amazing, So I guess you'd call this a flap,
And can you tell me approximately what years this was happening?
Speaker 2: This was we've kind of went back and forth on
the year. It was nineteen seventy seven or seventy eight.
I think it was probably around the seventies, end of
seventy seven, but I remember it being warm that night,
and I remember the guys in the trailer park working
on a car talking about the Lennard Skinner crash.
Speaker 1: Oh was is that bizarre? You're saying that because I
just talked about that yesterday. Oh really, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I have a witness that's listening live right now,
that'll yeah, that's bizarre. I just talked about the crash yesterday.
Speaker 2: But I remember that discussion for like a time reference,
you know. But that night, I remember I was very
so if it was October, I know there's sometimes you know,
October can be warm, but I don't know exactly if
it was the end of seventy seven, first of seventy eight,
somewhere running there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it sounds like what they call a flap,
you know, I mean, like all of a sudden, there's
a whole bunch of sightings in one area. There's been
many areas in this country alone where these flaps occur,
and that's always puzzled me, Like, you know, the thought
comes to my mind. If something traveled as far as
it did to get here, why is it staying in
one area? You know, it's such a bizarre situation in
my opinion.
Speaker 2: Well, I hadn't thought anything about like UFOs or anything
like that until back in I think nineteen ninety one,
we had cattle mutilations close to here where I live.
We had national news here if you've ever heard the
story about the five UFO. I live about twelve miles
away from five, Alabama, and back here back around nineteen
ninety one, we had cattle mutilations and really had a
lot of UFO side of Yes, CNN came here, a
lot of different news organizations that were around at that
time came here. And there's some interviews that you can
see on YouTube, you know, with farmers that you know,
said these things came over their farms and some of
them got guns to shoot at them. Bill Hicks, the comedian,
Oh yeah, hey, it makes a joke about it. He's
got a funny take on the five UFO. It's pretty funny.
If you ever get a chance to watch his little
bit about the five UFO.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was he was crazy that guy died young,
very young, of cancer. But what a fun comedian he was.
So there is a question here for you. The person
changed something in it. Let me just see what it is,
space track radar. Are you familiar with space track radar?
Is that no suit, any of the U t uct,
any of that.
Speaker 3: So you didn't actually work with this stuff. But you
went into that building, is that right?
Speaker 2: Right? I went inside there, and after I read their
mission statement on the wall, I didn't want to take
another step, and the hair on the back of my neck,
you know, just stood up. And you know, I'd already
been overseas at that point, and it took a lot
to spook me. And I had not thought about the
UFO experience from when I was a kid at all
until I went into that building, and something deep inside
inside of me told me to get out. And I
got goosebumps when I read it, and I looked over
at the Security forces guy at the podium there. When
I looked over at him, and he just gave me
a big smile, and I walked back out to the
truck that we were in. We were in like a
pickup truck when we went up there, and I had to,
you know, collect myself for a minute, because I just
had this flashback of when I was a kid and
what I saw in the field that night, and I
hadn't recalled those things for you know, a very very
long time. And it was just a few years ago
that I finally got, you know, the nerve to talk
to my mother about it, because I kept, you know,
having these visions of seeing this, you know, it looked
like a fireball out in the field, and uh, just
her because we had never discussed it, and I always thought, well,
you know, if it was real, you know, maybe she
would have talked to me about it all this time.
And when I brought it up, she about jumped out
of her skin. She was in a chair, and I
swear she jumped about two or three feet up in
the air when I mentioned it to her and we
discussed it, and I told her, I said, you know why,
you know, have you not mentioned it to me all
these years? And she said it scared her to death.
Speaker 1: There's someone in chat that's claiming that they worked at
Sight C six, But so I can't take that at
face value because I don't know this person. But can
you tell us what the capabilities of the radar as
far as you know, you said it was very very powerful,
but like how far out it can detect things, and
how you know, what type of accuracy and all that.
Speaker 2: Right, it can detect objects twenty two thousand nautical miles
into space, the size of a grapefruit, and it can
track you know, thousands of objects at one time, and
you can actually google sat C six and it can
verify everything that I'm telling you you know about the
site itself, which I know a lot of people that
work there would probably not be privy to tell you
that they can do that. But if they have that capability,
you know, everything that we've been seeing, like the drones
and all that stuff, they definitely have the capabilities to
see all this stuff.
Speaker 1: So now would you say they can play I'm wondering
what type of sweep this thing would make as far
as you know, you're saying up to twenty two thousand
nautical miles, but what patch of the sky.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering how much could that cover?
Speaker 2: Know? From what I understand, it acts like a space fence.
I don't know the range, but it extends I think
to the Quadullen atolls out in the Pacific Ocean. Now,
if these things are coming out of the ocean, like
what they've been saying, you know, lately, they would have
the ability to see it, especially being down there in
the Gulf of America as it's called now, they would
definitely have the capabilities to do it. Now. I've kind
of been passively threatened a few times on Reddit. I
don't do a lot of social media. The only ones
I really do is read it because I enjoy reading.
But someone had said something about me being disabled and
having benefits taken from me and all this kind of stuff.
And I had never mentioned to anybody that I was
even you know, had disabilities like that. But it wasn't
anything like what some people would say would be like
attributed to like PTSD or anything a lot of minds
like physical disabilities. But I think that it's like I remember,
his name is Burchett, timber Chet. When you get over
the target, that's when they start shooting at you. And typically,
like when I post something on Reddit lately, anything that
has to do with egg Lund, usually they will mute
up votes where you can't upvote on it. One of
the things that I had was it had twenty thousand views,
but zero up votes, and I thought that was kind
of odd that you have twenty thousand views and no
upvotes on it whatsoever, and read it will not even
let me report the issue, like when I go to
submit like a complaint, it won't let me file a
complaint about it. It's really really strange.
Speaker 3: Do you know whoops? Sorry?
Speaker 1: Do you understand what this is saying up on the screen.
I don't understand what that is?
Speaker 2: Do you quadulene Egglin can track out to Yes, yes
it can. It extends from Egglin all the way to
the quaduline atos from what I understand, I think if
you find it online it'll it'll tell you the same thing.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 1: So the one question I have I would think that
you know, you mentioned that when you walked into uh,
that building that you know, non distinct building like a
radio station or whatever, and they had their mission statement
up on the wall.
Speaker 3: That's kind of a bold thing. Do you think that was?
Speaker 1: I mean, it almost seems like it's kind of like
a mockery in any type of way. I mean for
them to say something like that. And also it seems
to me that someone would have to have a really good,
high level of level of clearance before they'd walk in
to a place like that.
Speaker 2: Well, being in PS all, the military police have to
have a secret security clearance because you have to be
able to go to any place on a military base.
The site itself is restricted. If I didn't have a clearance,
I couldn't go in there. Now, when it comes to
skiffs and things like that, if they have a place
in there that's for top secret information that they share
amongst one another, you know, I couldn't go into a
place like that. But the building itself I was able
to go in with no problem at all. It's it's
a restricted site. Actually it's a it's located about twelve
to fifteen miles inside the base. And like I was
saying earlier, it's not underground, it's above ground. It's actually
like on a little hill. It looks like an old
radio station when you see it.
Speaker 1: Someone is the person I think it's the same person
that said that they worked there is saying that it's
twenty five hundred nautical miles not twenty five thousand. Is
that a possibility that you mix that up?
Speaker 2: From what I read, it's twenty two thousand, But unless
they updated it recently, it's actually on Wikipedia. You can
actually go to Wikipedia and type inside C six and
it'll tell you all that you want to know about
the radar itself, other than they don't track UFOs. They
won't admit to that, but other things on there, like
the size of the objects that they can track. It's
all in there.
Speaker 3: And did that site SEE six burn down at one time?
Are you aware of that?
Speaker 2: Yes? I think back in the sixties it burned down.
Speaker 1: Which that's probably when they refitted it with all the
higher end equipment.
Speaker 3: Course they're always upgrading.
Speaker 1: And I also think that artificial intelligence is going to
make everything change as far as what we're doing.
Speaker 2: See right now, the Space Force took it over. It
was Air Force when I was there in two thousand
and nine, and now it's turned over to the Space Force.
The Space Force operates that facility. Now.
Speaker 1: Wow, yep, So have you been paying you know, it
sounds like you've been paying some attention to what's going
on in the UFO community, like you're familiar with the
hearings and all that birch At you mentioned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't watched anything over the last few months.
I think a lot of things that have been said
to me a little outrageous, but I I do try
to listen to the ones I think to me or
telling the truth. I still follow Grush and he's he's
one that I pay attention to because, you know, he
came out and said what he said, and they made
sure to get him out of the way. They don't
want him talking to nobody right now, and that's interesting
to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a there's a lawsuit situation out there, and
that's why we're not really hearing from him these days.
I don't know how any I've probably been told not
to do any public speaking at this point, but we
may hear from him at some point. I did get
the chance to meet him when I was I was
at the hearing. It's at both hearings that they had,
and I feel they're going to be having some some
coming up too.
Speaker 2: You know. What's interesting to me was that David Grush
came forward over in Huntsville, Alabama, and I live pretty
close to Huntsville. There was a lady, she was a scientist.
She was working on some kind of propulsion system over there,
and she died. Apparently they said she died by suicide,
is what the official thing was, and she made a
series of videos. Her name was Amy Escridge, and she
had made some videos before she died that somebody was
after her. Now, what I thought was interesting was David
Grush came forward after she died, and he came forward
in Huntsville, and that's where she worked, and he was scared.
From what I saw when he came forward to George
Napp and Jeremy Corbel, he stumbled upon something that scared
him enough to come forward and talk. And I've always
thought that her death could be linked to something that
he knew, and that's probably one of the reasons I
felt like he came forward. There was another scientist over
there and she came up missing for a few years,
but later on they found her and they found out
she was working for the CIA or something. I think
she was a Chinese national or something, but nobody could
find her for a few years. And I can't remember
her name, but she was a scientist over there in Huntsville,
and somebody was looking for her and they contacted her
son and he told them what she had been doing.
And as soon as she started working for the CIA,
she got really really strange, and she was not like
the same person.
Speaker 3: But it's the X files syndrome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it to me when I found out that
Grush came forward from Huntsville, that told me a lot.
Speaker 1: Right now, there there was an incident in twenty twenty
three at Eglin Air Force Face.
Speaker 3: Are you familiar with that? Did you look into that
at all?
Speaker 2: No, sir, Yeah, I think there was a plane crash
or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, I just looked online. Someone posted that in the
chat and there is a report that was done through
a ARO through that office. So they wrote a report
on and anyone can find that online if google that.
But I just wondered if you had heard about that.
Speaker 2: No. But I've talked to a lot of people that
live around Egglin and they always tell me they say
some interesting things around Egglin's.
Speaker 1: It's strange, you know. I mean some of them, I
guess could be experimental craft. I mean, I'm not sure
if that would be something like that would be in
a hangar and and tested out that at that Air
Force base in particular. But you know, we talked quickly
offline before we started about the Paul Benowitz case and
that situation in New Mexico, and you know, he was
seeing weird things and filming them, and you know, they
basically drove them crazy. And if you're new to this subject,
if you just look up the Paul Benowitz I'm not
going to try to spell that, but anyway, if you
look up his case, it's fascinating. It's very sad, you know.
And there's still Rick Dody was involved in that. He's
out there. I'm going to keep my mouth shut on
what I think of him.
Speaker 2: Well, another interesting thing that happened at Eglin. One day
I was eating lunch with one of the security force
guys that I was working with one of the days
I was out and we were by this runway with
a huge hangar at the end of it, and I
kept seeing these planes take off without markings. They were
white jet planes. And I asked him, I said, were
these white planes taking off with no tail number and
no insignia, nothing on them? And he said that they
called them secret squirrel planes? And I said, who who's
in them? You know? He said, well, no, that's CIA.
They do different things down here and he said that's
all we know. You know, they have different projects that
go on down there there. And uh, I said, wow,
I've never seen anything like that before. I've heard of
the Janet flights that go in and out of the
airport from Las Vegas, but they were they looked a
little different. They were they were bigger planes out in
Las Vegas that I saw from the footage that I've seen,
and uh, these planes were just totally wide.
Speaker 3: Wow. Wow. Uh.
Speaker 1: I'm going to see if we uh, Bill, if you're listening,
I'm going to see if we can uh, if you
have the phones, if you can fire them up.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I know Chanelle, my regular.
Speaker 1: UH radio producer at kg r A, she's out tonight,
and I'm just going to find out if we have
phones because uh, I wouldn't mind getting the person in
on a call that keeps discussing about the same exact
you know, he says he worked where you did.
Speaker 3: So if I can and if we can get them on,
I'm just not sure. So, Bill, hopefully you're listening, and.
Speaker 1: If you are, please let me know in the private
chat if we have phones available tonight. So, you know,
when someone has an experience when they're really young, you know, sometimes.
Speaker 3: It might feel like a dream or you know, not
feel real. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Exactly how old you were. I can't remember what you said,
but I think that's.
Speaker 2: Around that's around probably three four years old. I was
probably more about four years old when it happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very young.
Speaker 1: So but it's great that you your mother actually confirmed
that for you. I mean, did you kind of like
put that away in your head and not even think
about it and then until this all happened at the airbase.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean I just thought, no, surely, you know,
I didn't see that. And when I went to there's
very few times I've ever felt like the hair on
the back of my neck stand up. And as soon
as I got in that building and I read that
on their wall there, I got just terrified inside. I
mean I got I felt like I did the night
that I saw that. It just it stopped me in
my tracks where I just I couldn't move and I
couldn't really believe what I was reading. And I didn't
talk to anybody in my unit about it when I
went back, and it just took me a while to
process what I was seeing, really, and I when I
think about it now, you know, it's just you know,
questions more than anything, And it made me want to
get to the bottom of what I saw. So I
ended up meeting again that actually worked at the site
for three years, and he was telling me. He gave
me the name of a guy that was there that died.
They told him that the guy committed suicide, but he
said there was never a funeral, you know, nobody and
he had. He said that one night they brought something
to the site, and he said they never brought anything
up there, but one night they brought something on a
flatbed truck that was covered, and he said he didn't
get to see what it was. But he named off
companies I'd never heard of that he had worked for.
It was the first time i'd ever heard EG and
G I think was one of them, and which I'd
never heard of any of these places that he had
worked for. But I really got my attention when he
had mentioned that they did monitor UFOs and he had
friends after he left. When they had the the sightings
in I think it was nineteen ninety four down there.
I'm trying to remember what part of Florida it was,
but they had a name for it. It was a
U It was a UFO flap that happened down there,
not Homestead I'm trying to remember, but he said that
he had friends that were monitoring the ones that they
were seeing then in the nineties, when people were setting
up cameras out there on the beach recording those things.
He said it was really interesting. I tried to get
him to talk to someone about what we spoke about,
and he did try once, but he said they never
you know, said anything back to him when he sent
them an email. And I've tried to get him to
talk about it because I think he's at an age
where he just felt like he really didn't care at
that point to talk about it, and I think he
probably doesn't know now that he's even being talked about.
But it meant a lot to me because I had been,
you know, trying to find something about that place and
what I saw, and when I put two and two together,
like when I talked to Ross's Coulthart, you know, he
was more concerned about just the UFO nuts and bolts,
crafts and things like that. But you know, it's not
that easy to tell one thing and not tell the other,
because had I not had the experience when I was
a kid, I probably would have thought nothing about what
I read when I went into that place, I'd probably
just you know, looked at it and said, oh, that's
cool and walked out because I know, I know earlier
you had mentioned about, you know, mission statements and how
a lot of units goop around and put stuff up
like that. But you know, not everybody can see the
mission statements there. You have to have at least a
secret clearance to go inside the place. You know, the
public can't go in there. You have to have business
to be there in the first place.
Speaker 3: That makes sense. So I think what I would like
to do is this gentleman you know.
Speaker 1: Claims he worked there, Pete, And I'm going to give
out my email address I'll connect you to because I think,
you know, if you'd like, so my email address, Pete,
I don't mind saying it for a beleagu I get
a bunch of junk mail anyway, it's Martinett PODCASTUFO dot com.
Just get in touch with me and we'll we'll connect
you two together. So he's basically saying that these space
objects that are uncorrelated there uncorrelated with a catalog, and
he's claiming he worked there until nineteen eighty nine. But
I think it's fascinating and you know, I mean, if
they have this technology, it just seems I've asked this
question many times with people on the guests I have
on the show. Isn't there anything that would be you know,
detecting these things coming in from.
Speaker 2: Exactly there and the government's not going to tell you
they see I mean, you know, we've been hoping that,
you know, there'd be some kind of new legislation where
they would you know, be more forthcoming and tell us things.
And you know they're not going to admit that they
you know, can do that. But when you know what
kind of capabilities they do have there, you know they
can do it if they want to admit to it.
Speaker 1: That's another thing, right, Yeah, And what do you think
about since you've been paying attention to this, do you
feel like, uh, there's a lot more transparency or do
you think it's status quo.
Speaker 2: I think it's more status quo, And I think they're
throwing people in there to muddy the waters, basically, to
make people lose interest. Some of the stories that I've
heard lately are just outrageous.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I had when I saw what
I saw when I was a kid, I froze. You know,
I didn't. I didn't get a feeling of heavenly bodies
or you know, just like a you know, some heavenly
experience or anything. I was I was scared of it
from what I saw. I know people have different experiences
with them. That wasn't my experience. You know, maybe if
i'd have been a little bit older, I would have
looked at it different. But my mother was older and
it scared her too, So yeah, I don't really, I
don't really know that everyone has the same experience.
Speaker 1: I agree one hundred percent, you know, and I've heard
all different takes on, you know, when someone you know,
I had a personal UFO experience in two thousand and seven, and.
Speaker 3: I was just.
Speaker 1: I was not scared, but I was bewildered. Like I
just couldn't understand what I was seeing. It didn't fit
in my normal, you know world to see something that
I was seeing. So but I understand, you know, there's
all kinds of weird ways people react to these things.
Sometimes they'll never talk about it at all, or you know,
I have a friend, I'm in the antiques world and
antiques and art and all that, and I have a
friend that contacted me because he saw that I did
a show in UFOs and he told me his story.
He was walking in Ipswich, Massachusetts, I think it was,
and this big glowing object came right down by him
and two other kids, you know, and it was like
they were every time they'd look up and it was
still there, and they were scared to death.
Speaker 3: He can't get either one of them to talk about it.
Speaker 1: And you hear a lot of stories like that because
it affects people all people differently.
Speaker 2: If I hadn't brought it up to my mother, she
would have never mentioned it to me. I think nowadays
people are more aware of it. I know there is
a there is a sight on YouTube called Eyes on Cinema.
Speaker 3: If you've ever watch, I'm in touch with the person there.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, they have some of the best interviews
out there. And if you look at some of the
testimonies by people that have seen things, a lot of
them are very similar, you know. And this was before
like mainstream media now started covering some of it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: When the when the person came to interview you and
your mother and was there for three days, I believe
you said, did you learn more about it at that
time by hearing you know, when your mother was questioned,
did you learn more?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I learned what it looked like because she
had never drawn a picture of it before, and the
girl that was interviewing us, she wanted to know what
it looked like. And my mother, you know, drew like
one of the classic saucer shaped things. It was a
saucer shape, but it had legs that extended to the ground,
and then she drew the ramp that came out of it. Now,
the next day when we went out to the field,
I know that when when you're a kid, a lot
of times things seem a lot bigger to you. But
just guessing, I would say the circle that that thing
left was probably twenty or thirty feet, like round circumference.
So I've often wondered if I went back there now,
if you could still get some kind of readings from
where it was at, because it was I think it
had moved, like from where I saw it to where
my mother saw it, because I saw it off to
my right that night, and the next day when we
went out to the field, it was more directly in
front of the road that went through the trailer park,
and I thought to myself. Well, I guess it moved
because it was off to my right from what I remember,
because I caught it out the corner of my eye,
and then when I looked directly at it, I just
fro solid. I mean, I just couldn't move. Had my
mother not been calling my name behind me, I would
have just sat there and looked at it and never
never budged.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, so we are just about ready
to wrap it up right now, but I want to
let everyone know that Roger Stankovic and Irene Previn from Australia,
they're going to be on next week's show same time.
Speaker 3: So are you.
Speaker 1: Comfortable with me sharing your information for someone like this
person that claims he was you know? Of course we
could talk about this off here, but I do. I
do appreciate very much you being on the show tonight.
And I guess one last question. Has this affected you
in this whole experience in like a negative way or
you saying that the incident itself did, but I mean
in general now when you look back on.
Speaker 3: It, or are you kind of glad that it happened?
Speaker 2: Well, now that I've had time to, you know, think
about it for the last few years, it became like
an obsession. I've kind of learned to let it go
a little bit over the last few months, especially when
a lot of people who have been coming out to
me that to me, I just don't believe. Frankly, I
just don't believe what they're saying. And it's something that
I really don't think about until I talk about it.
When I did the interview for News Nation, you know,
I felt like I was being cross examined, you know,
by Ross, and I just I wish that he would
have let me talk more about the one thing, because
when I talked about the incident I had when I
was a kid versus you know, what I saw when
I was in the military, I really couldn't tell one
story without the other because I saw that. And if
if I hadn't saw what I saw when I was
younger when I went into that place, I would have
never put two and two together.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, thank you so much. Been a real pleasure.
Speaker 2: Thanks Martin, and I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1: You bet all right, everyone, We'll see you next week,
and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.