Speaker 1: Welcome to the two seventeen We're gonna bring podcast.
Speaker 2: If you don't make mistakes, you won't learn.
Speaker 1: With your host Corey Winfield, like.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'm going into a place there the
Speaker 3: people like talking to balls, and there was some of that,
Speaker 3: but it was still pretty cow Host Harney Winfield.
Speaker 4: They don't get that. Sincere messaging, then they're not going
Speaker 4: to have that conversation on a level where maybe.
Speaker 5: You can get through to them.
Speaker 1: Special guest Corey Smoker.
Speaker 6: I don't want to hear the hero over here, but
Speaker 6: then I know what you're skipping down the street over
Speaker 6: there doing.
Speaker 2: You know, got your wab.
Speaker 3: It is the thirty first of October twenty twenty five Halloween.
Speaker 1: I'm Corey Woodfield.
Speaker 5: I'm Marnie Winfield, and I'm Cory Smoker.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the two seventeen Recovery Podcast. You guys dressed
Speaker 3: up today. It's nice, Martie. You wanted some smoking hot.
Speaker 2: Mom.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if you want to call this
Speaker 4: dressing out, but it is orange and black for halloweens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, being a hot mom, stay at stay at home mom.
Speaker 3: But you're not so I like that you dressed up
Speaker 3: like that. Today, thank you.
Speaker 2: Well, not that I'm saying you're homely looking at all.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying it. And then I'm not saying stay
Speaker 2: at home moms are homely. I'm just saying you look
Speaker 2: like a hot mom. So it's up, Okay, what's up?
Speaker 2: It's my wife.
Speaker 5: What did you dress up as today?
Speaker 2: Ah?
Speaker 3: A director? Yeah, a video guy, write, a screenwriter, a
Speaker 3: film producer, well, not producers, I don't have the money
Speaker 3: to pay for them to be.
Speaker 2: Made, but.
Speaker 5: Filmmaker.
Speaker 2: What would I beat?
Speaker 5: Creator?
Speaker 2: Writer? I don't know.
Speaker 3: See, I have wrote a movie the other day and
Speaker 3: I finished it and I lost it, so I didn't
Speaker 3: finish it. So I had to go back to finish
Speaker 3: it because God was like, no, that's not how I
Speaker 3: wanted you to do it.
Speaker 2: Lose it off.
Speaker 3: And of course it's still in my brain because the
Speaker 3: movie that I'm writing, it started out to be a
Speaker 3: little five minute like, hey, let me write a little
Speaker 3: five minute movie, a little short film, because I want
Speaker 3: to make a movie and I don't know how to
Speaker 3: make one, and that would be a good start.
Speaker 2: So I did that.
Speaker 3: And if you've been following the podcast for a while,
Speaker 3: you've heard me talk about it. Maybe you're maybe it
Speaker 3: was all longer than a year ago, and now I
Speaker 3: started writing it, and it was a year ago. I
Speaker 3: started writing it, and then it just kind of sort
Speaker 3: of pieced together. And then lately God sent me on
Speaker 3: this mission to like finish it, and what turned into
Speaker 3: like finish the five minute, and I needed to add
Speaker 3: all these details to it, and it became like a
Speaker 3: story of all the crazy stuff that happened when I
Speaker 3: went to treatment, except this person's journey now isn't the
Speaker 3: exact same path that led me there, but it is
Speaker 3: all inspired by true events.
Speaker 5: I think it's good. It's really good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I don't know, it's tough. You know that
Speaker 3: I've poured out, So I mean, I think it's kind
Speaker 3: of good.
Speaker 5: But do we get credits in the back of.
Speaker 2: Those movie for script editing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like moral support and you guys have probably
Speaker 3: like witnessed, like my all overness with the place of
Speaker 3: that script and where it was and how it just
Speaker 3: morphs and kind of changed, and it's gotten better, I think,
Speaker 3: in detail, and it really helps you feel the emotion
Speaker 3: as someone is trying to go to treatment and they're
Speaker 3: hitting all these barriers. Every single one trust me and.
Speaker 2: You feel it.
Speaker 3: At least I did when I was writing it, you know,
Speaker 3: and that was kind of hard. And when I lost
Speaker 3: the Act two and three, the pain was that I
Speaker 3: had to go back and get in those feelings again,
Speaker 3: because that was a mother effort, man. And I thought
Speaker 3: about writing a book one day and like, man, that'll
Speaker 3: be fun. I don't think so. I don't know, it's not.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a fun journey, you know, to like, because
Speaker 3: I don't live in the past anymore. I'm moving forward
Speaker 3: with stuff I want to do. So to like go
Speaker 3: back there and like what was that feeling like when
Speaker 3: you had nothing and this was all you had, you know,
Speaker 3: and like get yourself in that moment, like what were
Speaker 3: you thinking? And then to like write it out it
Speaker 3: was just horrible. Yeah, I know, you guys don't live
Speaker 3: in the past, like you're not stuck there, and there
Speaker 3: are some people that are, you know, And that probably
Speaker 3: was me at one point, but well.
Speaker 4: My thoughts were I was like, Okay, I'm thinking about it,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, well, actors and actresses have to do
Speaker 4: this all the time, right, and that even that is
Speaker 4: draining for them. But I think the other piece to
Speaker 4: it that took it to another level is that this
Speaker 4: that you were reflecting on what actually happened, like your
Speaker 4: actual history, your actual trauma, and so that you know
Speaker 4: that I can see would be that would weigh really
Speaker 4: heavy on you.
Speaker 3: It was and then I mean some of the stuff
Speaker 3: because what a lot of people don't realize in my
Speaker 3: journey at first, you know, I went to go go
Speaker 3: to treatment, So I went out to California and all
Speaker 3: that and it was fun, not really, but it had
Speaker 3: to be part of it, you know. And when I
Speaker 3: started going to the mental health places, that is what
Speaker 3: turn the light bulb bomb for me, because up until
Speaker 3: then I thought I was just a piece of shit
Speaker 3: and that I just something about me. I just some
Speaker 3: stupid I can't get it. And when they taught me
Speaker 3: about my brain and how all that stuff started working,
Speaker 3: and it really opened the door of like, oh wow,
Speaker 3: so maybe I'm not that bad and maybe maybe this
Speaker 3: is something I can figure out. And that shows it.
Speaker 3: You know, this isn't really a jury. I mean, it
Speaker 3: is a journey to treatment, you know, inpatient treatment. But
Speaker 3: that's what he thinks he wants, you know, but what
Speaker 3: he really needs is to get that solid foundation.
Speaker 2: Before he goes to treatment, which can be done.
Speaker 3: And some people are like, oh, but I don't have insurance,
Speaker 3: Now I have it, or maybe you've got insurance, but
Speaker 3: you don't have an extra five ten grand laying around. Well,
Speaker 3: the movie kind of follows that there are are options,
Speaker 3: you know, and there are some people out there that
Speaker 3: are telling you how hard they're working to go to treatment,
Speaker 3: all these barriers and all this and that.
Speaker 2: But are they really trying that hard? I don't know.
Speaker 3: And there are people that really try hard and they
Speaker 3: hit these barriers. We've seen this over and over, you know,
Speaker 3: as a recovery community organization here in Traver City, Michigan,
Speaker 3: we've seen it firsthand. We've seen people get denied services
Speaker 3: for reasons that shouldn't be and you know, we say
Speaker 3: what we can and do what we can about it,
Speaker 3: and then we have to move on, you know. But
Speaker 3: it happens every single day, and I kind of want
Speaker 3: to show that and I want the world to go.
Speaker 2: Does this really have this is fiction?
Speaker 3: And they go, no, this actually every single one of
Speaker 3: these things have happened, you know, or been witnessed by
Speaker 3: the guy who wrote it. At least part of it.
Speaker 3: The guy walking down the road, which the reason why
Speaker 3: I put him in there. And I don't know why
Speaker 3: God had to drive by him that day Milan nowhere
Speaker 3: like nowhere nowhere, Like you're not walking these roads, man,
Speaker 3: and this guy was. And you were like, hey, that's
Speaker 3: so and So I can't see because my glasses I
Speaker 3: just see guy walking. And I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: so and so actually called because he needed to ride
Speaker 3: to treatment, and they said they wouldn't fund it, and
Speaker 3: this and that, and they told him to call the
Speaker 3: Medicaid call you a Medicaid number, and he did and
Speaker 3: they were like, yeah, that's out of our region. And
Speaker 3: it's like, wait, are you're supposed to take everybody in
Speaker 3: the state, you know, wherever. So that didn't make sense,
Speaker 3: you know, And there's been other things that people have said,
Speaker 3: and so that's why I threw him in there. So
Speaker 3: I didn't I don't know if he was actually walking
Speaker 3: to treatment, but that's where I got the idea of that,
Speaker 3: and that's where I say, well, I know he needed
Speaker 3: to ride to treatment and he was walking somewhere.
Speaker 6: But them are the But it just shows too in that,
Speaker 6: I mean, just even in that first part just the
Speaker 6: scenarios of the barriers that a person faces. Maybe they're
Speaker 6: already starting the withdraws, or they're still you know, they're
Speaker 6: on their last cans and dimes and Nichols and pennies
Speaker 6: to get something, just to maintain some of that off
Speaker 6: to make these phone calls. And then when they get
Speaker 6: you know, every door is shut in there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah, you can come to treatment.
Speaker 6: So then they're like, finally, okay, I made a decision
Speaker 6: to go, I can get in. But then all them
Speaker 6: pieces there to get there is really defeating at times too.
Speaker 6: And you know, and that's always seems to be when
Speaker 6: our families are they're completely done with us. They're like,
Speaker 6: I'm not giving you one more ride the treatment because
Speaker 6: you know, I've heard it all and I've said it.
Speaker 5: They we've said it. You know.
Speaker 6: They don't want to hear that crap anymore. They want
Speaker 6: to see the action.
Speaker 3: And there's families out there like, oh, well, I got money, though,
Speaker 3: we can send him off to this and that's cool.
Speaker 3: But the fifteenth time he went, you're going to be
Speaker 3: done the lies, the stealing. Oh I got money, Oh,
Speaker 3: that means he's going to steal or she'll steal from you.
Speaker 3: They'll they'll take whatever they can because their addiction is
Speaker 3: is that's what's most important to them. And unfortunately the
Speaker 3: brain has been the chemistry has been changed, and that's
Speaker 3: that's what that's happening. It's not that they're bad people,
Speaker 3: it's just their brain is telling them you need it now,
Speaker 3: you need.
Speaker 2: To get it.
Speaker 3: So even for those people like be careful because maybe
Speaker 3: that fifteenth time, that time that was going to turn
Speaker 3: the corner where your loved one, your son, your daughter, whoever,
Speaker 3: has just about figured it out. And then this is
Speaker 3: the time that they can't get there because you're like, nope, done.
Speaker 3: But because there's nothing in place that really help people,
Speaker 3: they can fall through the class and then they die
Speaker 3: and then oh it's their fault. They didn't want to
Speaker 3: change their life. It's not about that at all.
Speaker 4: Well, right, And that's where the misconception lines comes in,
Speaker 4: is because there's this there's this thought that all it
Speaker 4: takes is willingness, is somebody to say I'll go and
Speaker 4: that's it, and that it's done and they're on their way.
Speaker 4: But that's not even all of it. It's not even
Speaker 4: half of it. There's so many more moving pieces and
Speaker 4: so many approvals and you know authorizations, and you know,
Speaker 4: are where are they, where are they going to?
Speaker 5: Where did they live before?
Speaker 4: There's a bunch of things that go into it that
Speaker 4: we don't even think about until you're actually at the
Speaker 4: spot where you're like, okay, I will give it a shot.
Speaker 4: And then here you are, and it makes it it's
Speaker 4: so so difficult.
Speaker 6: But then sometimes too, like you get to that spot
Speaker 6: right and it's like okay, well, okay, maybe you're finally
Speaker 6: ready to do something. You get so then you get
Speaker 6: to detox. Well then you're only there for five days,
Speaker 6: but it's really like four days when you count it
Speaker 6: all out and finding treatment and then it's like, okay,
Speaker 6: my job. You know, it's a it can be a
Speaker 6: lot of decisions at once and then you're like okay, fine,
Speaker 6: I'll go.
Speaker 5: And then if you don't get the referral or you know.
Speaker 3: It's just and they call it a medical detax right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So for someone who's never been, you think, okay, cool,
Speaker 3: so they're going to be watched in a room, they're
Speaker 3: going to have medically people around there, They're going to
Speaker 3: be nice and comfortable. No, no, when I was at
Speaker 3: turning Point. That place was in no offense to turning Point.
Speaker 3: That place was a shihole and it could be a
Speaker 3: funding thing. I have no idea, but it was horrible.
Speaker 3: It was in the down in the very basement of
Speaker 3: this building. It was like the old Salvation Army or something.
Speaker 3: It's just a long hallway, dark, stank. And then the
Speaker 3: men's room was on the right hand side of this
Speaker 3: little long hallway and you went in and it was
Speaker 3: just bed bed bed bed bed bed bed and the
Speaker 3: bed they put me in was right by the toilet.
Speaker 3: The door didn't the bathroom door didn't have a door
Speaker 3: on it, so I heard. So I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 3: staying here. I'm gonna go just sit out there. This
Speaker 3: stupid TV that they had of this VCR and these
Speaker 3: same movies. It was horrible, And so why would I
Speaker 3: want to go to treatment after that, because if I've
Speaker 3: never been to treatment before, I'm gonna think that's what
Speaker 3: treatment is. And then actually I went up to their
Speaker 3: other level and I would I wouldn't recommend people go there.
Speaker 3: It's better than sleeping on the street and dying, So
Speaker 3: go there if that's your only place. But I'm saying, though,
Speaker 3: is how come if we're gonna go medically, do you talk?
Speaker 3: How come these places aren't nicer? How come we have
Speaker 3: to deal with this subpar help? Like why is it
Speaker 3: so half asked?
Speaker 6: Because I think it's because of the stigma around it,
Speaker 6: But see like we're just like it's like second best.
Speaker 2: And I was just so irritated.
Speaker 3: I was on my soatbox earlier when I was talking
Speaker 3: about the trauma is the real reason, you know trauma
Speaker 3: you need to what I was talking with Tony and
Speaker 3: our friends from BDAI and she was saying something about
Speaker 3: accept non acceptance. What did she say? It was kind
Speaker 3: of along the lines of you know, stuff in AA
Speaker 3: like acceptance.
Speaker 2: I don't remember now, but it was not among those lines.
Speaker 2: It just trust me.
Speaker 3: And when you can do that with trauma, when you
Speaker 3: can realize, Okay, this is the trauma and I'm not
Speaker 3: saying you have to run out and go fix it.
Speaker 3: That day I put my box in my head in
Speaker 3: a closet, like, Okay, I know I have these issues.
Speaker 3: And I thought it was abandonment at first, and maybe
Speaker 3: it was, you know, I didn't have a father growing up,
Speaker 3: sort of how I put it in my mind. So
Speaker 3: I had to put that up for a couple of
Speaker 3: years before I could even dig into that because I
Speaker 3: knew I wasn't ready. If I would have pulled that
Speaker 3: box down and started getting in them feelings, I I
Speaker 3: wasn't secure in my own sobriety yet, So I wanted
Speaker 3: to wait until I was ready to deal with it.
Speaker 3: And then I did, and then later I found out
Speaker 3: really it wasn't abandonment at all. I mean, maybe a little,
Speaker 3: but it was forgiveness, you know. I really had to
Speaker 3: forgive my father, you know, and realize that there is
Speaker 3: no Wellether. There is a book that you can buy, probably,
Speaker 3: but I'm not going to make you a better parent
Speaker 3: for the perfect parent in the world book. I don't
Speaker 3: have it. Marnie doesn't have it. We're not perfect. My
Speaker 3: parents weren't perfect. You know, why am I holding them
Speaker 3: to different standards? And I had to forgive my father,
Speaker 3: and then I had to forgive my mother and move forward.
Speaker 3: You know, what kind of relationship do I want to
Speaker 3: have with them? Moving forward? What happened to my childhood? Okay,
Speaker 3: it happened. I've acknowledged it. I talk about it, and
Speaker 3: I'm going to make sure that my son doesn't have
Speaker 3: that same kind of relationship, you know, not that my
Speaker 3: dad's a bad guy, but I just I don't have
Speaker 3: that relationship that I want my son to have with me.
Speaker 3: And I can change that, not stay sober. But it
Speaker 3: took a long time to figure all that out, you know,
Speaker 3: and it takes people time, you know, to heal. And
Speaker 3: so I think if we could look at it that
Speaker 3: way and give people a little grace, and then how
Speaker 3: come we're not blaming the biggest monster of all of them.
Speaker 3: You know, Alcohol gets away with so much. And I
Speaker 3: was talking with the BDA guys about that, and it's like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, you're going after big Farmer, You're going
Speaker 3: after all the weed places in Michigan. Well about alcohol.
Speaker 3: They're the ones who calls all of it. Let's break
Speaker 3: it down and I'll do it real quick for you.
Speaker 3: Alcohol causes all of it. Meth Okay, I smoked meth.
Speaker 3: I smoked or I did heroin. I didn't smoke heroin,
Speaker 3: I snorted it. But I was drunk when I did acid.
Speaker 3: Was drunk when I did cocaine. I was drunk when
Speaker 3: I smoked weed. I was drunk. I smoked cigarettes, I
Speaker 3: was drunk, well except for the time when I was
Speaker 3: five and I walked to preschool. But it's the first
Speaker 3: cigarette had. It was horrible.
Speaker 2: I didn't like that at all. But what I'm saying like,
Speaker 2: how come they're not paying more for that?
Speaker 3: Everybody who steps up and says I need help, I
Speaker 3: need to go to treatment, and it's a substance related issue.
Speaker 2: Alcohol Hall should pay the tab. If you want to
Speaker 2: throw a big farm in there, cool.
Speaker 3: They they only do that because the state wants to
Speaker 3: just get money and spend it how they want.
Speaker 2: But if we really cared about people.
Speaker 3: And this is the problem with this country, and I'll
Speaker 3: say it right here, it was built on greed, in
Speaker 3: lying and deception, all right, Like even the whole Hey,
Speaker 3: the British are comment like, that's really not a.
Speaker 2: Cool story you think about it. That's that's some shady shit.
Speaker 3: Now if we did that today, oh we'd be gunned down,
Speaker 3: like nobody would even hear from us again. So think
Speaker 3: about how this country was founded and it's running exactly
Speaker 3: how it was supposed to. Now, if we can change
Speaker 3: things and actually care about people, the world would be
Speaker 3: a better place. And I'm not saying that you have
Speaker 3: to go and throw alcohol because we did the prohibition
Speaker 3: thing that shouldn't work. But they should pay some taxes
Speaker 3: to where whatever. If anybody needs some help, send the
Speaker 3: bill right to Budweiser, send the bill right to Jack Daniels.
Speaker 3: Send the bill to them, and they have to pay it, yeah,
Speaker 3: because they calls all of it. And then we can
Speaker 3: get into domestic violence, and we can get into all
Speaker 3: everything dumbst miss drunk driving, to where you can make
Speaker 3: alcohol so expensive that people will go away. So I
Speaker 3: can either keep drinking or I can just go change
Speaker 3: my life. And I think people would choose that. And
Speaker 3: if they are like, hey, it's okay, you can go
Speaker 3: get help now, maybe they wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: But I had a friend die again and I'm just
Speaker 3: really pissed about it. And he wasn't that close close,
Speaker 3: but he was, you know, and it's losing anybody to it.
Speaker 3: And then thinking back as he lived in Grand Rapids,
Speaker 3: which has Network one eighty at least they did. When
Speaker 3: I had to go through there, it was horrible. So
Speaker 3: and then I'm thinking in my mind as I'm trying
Speaker 3: to help my friend who's dealing with the same thing.
Speaker 2: Can't get into treatment.
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, I wonder if that was his problem,
Speaker 3: if he had to deal with Network on eighty and
Speaker 3: they were so effed up that he couldn't get in
Speaker 3: and he just really needed my guidance. And I don't know,
Speaker 3: I'll never know the answer to that question, so I
Speaker 3: should probably just let it go. But it just it
Speaker 3: really pisses me off, you know, and you just really
Speaker 3: start thinking about it, and who's the biggest one getting
Speaker 3: away with it?
Speaker 2: And if Trump's I'm.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Trump supporters, I don't like anybody, so just throwing
Speaker 3: that out there, but the Trump supporters, if Trumps really
Speaker 3: wants to make America Richigan, Yale, Harvard, somebody just came
Speaker 3: out with this survey thing that they did and they
Speaker 3: pretty much said, alcohol takes.
Speaker 2: Twenty four years off someone's life.
Speaker 3: Twenty four years of not paying taxes, twenty four years
Speaker 3: not being productive, twenty four years of not like buying
Speaker 3: stuff at the store, not helping the economy, not volunteering
Speaker 3: in the community. That's twenty four years that they're losing
Speaker 3: money to gain nickels and pennies. That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: He's gonna pay way more taxes on income and then
Speaker 3: his job's gonna pay the maxin tax.
Speaker 2: Like I'm telling you, it just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: America's getting robbed by alcohol, and I'm not saying to
Speaker 3: ban it. I'm just saying they should pay their due
Speaker 3: and there shouldn't be anybody in the state of Michigan
Speaker 3: that needs to go to treatment that gets told no, not.
Speaker 2: One person I agree with that, So I'm done. That's
Speaker 2: my soapbox. How are you guys doing?
Speaker 5: That's powerful?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just it makes me sick, man.
Speaker 3: I know that's why we I mean, I haven't done
Speaker 3: a podcast in a long time, and then last time
Speaker 3: we did, I think it was kind of just messing around,
Speaker 3: but like we got to have these conversations with people,
Speaker 3: and people really need to like just look at who's
Speaker 3: the real bad guy. It's like we're watching a movie
Speaker 3: and you think this is the bad guy all along
Speaker 3: and know these are no and then you realize at
Speaker 3: the end of it, you know who's guyser SoSE well,
Speaker 3: it's alcohol, you know, and our government's letting that happen,
Speaker 3: you know. I think it's election coming up right then.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we're voting around this county. But
Speaker 3: I know there's some elections coming up, you know, call
Speaker 3: around and say, hey, what do you think about this?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, wow, we're going to fix the roads.
Speaker 5: And is there voting like next week?
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 3: But and then like with the whole food thing, Oh
Speaker 3: my god, and people in Michigan freaking out. And I
Speaker 3: look at it, like, look, the state of Michigan has
Speaker 3: tons of money. They have tons of it. Couldn't even
Speaker 3: swear right there. I was, so I met the two
Speaker 3: billion that she just gave to the roads.
Speaker 2: Oh, we're going to extra two billions.
Speaker 3: You think they help feed some people, yep, But they
Speaker 3: spend this shit like it's probably is going in their
Speaker 3: pockets somewhere. You know, if I had a construction company
Speaker 3: that was building roads, I would do it too. It's
Speaker 3: good two extra two billion that you just took out
Speaker 3: of the air, probably from gambling money.
Speaker 2: I don't know, why help those people?
Speaker 6: We need roads well, And sometimes I think it's like
Speaker 6: that catch twenty two.
Speaker 5: It's like, why do I want?
Speaker 6: Okay, I put the warning label right on there, or
Speaker 6: the little message little clip after if you have a
Speaker 6: problem gambling, blah blah blah, but I think it's like this.
Speaker 5: Catch twenty two trap.
Speaker 6: They want you to keep in it because then it
Speaker 6: keeps us that production chain going in a circle.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's what BDI said too. They were like, Oh,
Speaker 3: isn't that the thing that's done on purpose?
Speaker 5: I know, it's just like I don't want to get
Speaker 5: into conspiracy, right, but.
Speaker 3: They're losing too much money, and if they really cared
Speaker 3: about money, they'd be like mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know alcohol was invented in China. I think it
Speaker 3: was a poison just going out of limb there. I
Speaker 3: think they used to kill the white man, isn't it
Speaker 3: isn't Asian? Don't Asian people? And I'm again, this is
Speaker 3: just nonsense, but I think I'm right. They have a
Speaker 3: different their body racks different to alcohol.
Speaker 4: I don't know about the biology, but I know that
Speaker 4: the statistics are many. Like a white man, there's not
Speaker 4: as many in that that ethnicity or that culture doesn't
Speaker 4: consume alcohol like ours, because.
Speaker 2: I don't think I think that. I think that it
Speaker 2: doesn't get them drunk. I think it makes them sick
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do some homework on that.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's poison.
Speaker 3: He knows what it is, but I wonder if they
Speaker 3: were like, hey, let's poison those people over there put
Speaker 3: some of that in there. I don't know, but in
Speaker 3: there we are just drinking it. Oh, drink responsiblely.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I was on a call the other day with
Speaker 3: the National Council of Problem Gambling because we applied for
Speaker 3: a grant we didn't get it, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I want to know why. I want to hear what
Speaker 3: you have to say. And she was telling me about
Speaker 3: this and that and yeah, you know, if we don't
Speaker 3: do prevention, it's outreacher.
Speaker 2: It was one of those two.
Speaker 3: And she said that basically because we had meetings here,
Speaker 3: that it was too much recovery going on and didn't
Speaker 3: really fit it. But if we didn't have meetings, if
Speaker 3: I didn't put that on there, that we probably would
Speaker 3: have gotten that. Yeah, I know, we don't want to
Speaker 3: hope too much. But anyway, she started doing on the
Speaker 3: whole problem gambling thing. Sorry, Corry cut off, and I
Speaker 3: kind of lost it on it and I said stop it.
Speaker 3: I was like, I know that the people that give
Speaker 3: you this money tell you that you have to say
Speaker 3: this in order for you to get the money. But
Speaker 3: stop blaming the people. I was like, alcohol did this,
Speaker 3: and now gambling is trying to do the same thing
Speaker 3: or have been doing the same thing. Stop blaming the
Speaker 3: person problem gambling, Oh, gamble responsibly, stop it. Stop do
Speaker 3: you do you bring over some beard to somebody you
Speaker 3: know has a problem. You're like, hey, man, just dring responsibly.
Speaker 3: See you later. Yeah, it work tomorrow.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: And then I was talking with someone else and we
Speaker 3: were doing Harmer Duck and I was like, dude, hum,
Speaker 3: reduction is so broad, Like you can't say I don't
Speaker 3: believe in home reduction because it's so broad. You can
Speaker 3: believe in different things or not different things. But the
Speaker 3: needles got oh passing out needles, And I was like, well,
Speaker 3: if you think about it, it would almost be like
Speaker 3: me bringing in some some cans, some like empties for you.
Speaker 2: Here you go.
Speaker 3: Here's some some empty cans, some empty beer cans for you.
Speaker 3: Here you go, and then they go to the store,
Speaker 3: return them, and then by their beer. We wouldn't do that,
Speaker 3: would we would we give empty empties to alcoholics and
Speaker 3: go here you go, buddy, I know you're having a
Speaker 3: hard time today, Go get yourself a forty.
Speaker 2: Don't die. I don't know.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't make sense, and people just fall for
Speaker 3: okay because they're the ones handing out the money. You
Speaker 3: have to say this, you have to do this, you
Speaker 3: have to say this, and they do.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 6: And I think it's because then they're on this spandwagon
Speaker 6: of that they it it works, or they support the mission,
Speaker 6: or they're one eight hundred number. But at the same time,
Speaker 6: I think the gambling people, I think they need I
Speaker 6: mean because it's a co occurring disorder and there's also
Speaker 6: more underlining things, and if they are feeling alone, why
Speaker 6: don't they get that space to also have their own
Speaker 6: place to meet in person with other people that are
Speaker 6: struggling like they are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mmm, we'll fix it tomorrow.
Speaker 5: It's the weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I'm not fixing on nothing.
Speaker 2: Obviously.
Speaker 3: I just keep advocating, Oh, someone's calling, let me check
Speaker 3: the message.
Speaker 5: Sam.
Speaker 3: Now you think having a phone on your hand your
Speaker 3: wrist will make it quicker to check, But it's not
Speaker 3: always the case.
Speaker 2: No, And then I forget obviously.
Speaker 6: That's good, and then don't answer it. If you're in
Speaker 6: some place you got to warn people, Hey, you're on
Speaker 6: my watch.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, Like I have to.
Speaker 2: Tell me that Kim did that. Once I started yelling
Speaker 2: profanities and she had them.
Speaker 5: I have to tell herne right away because otherwise.
Speaker 4: He doesn't answer right away. For you, like, you have
Speaker 4: to prompt it to answer right We.
Speaker 6: Don't have to tell to answer, but as soon as
Speaker 6: I do, I like, I'm like, you're on speaking Yeah, hey,
Speaker 6: you're on my watch.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I guess Kim wasn't on her watch, but still it's like,
Speaker 3: I'm at the style when I got you on speaker.
Speaker 6: Well, it was funny as one day someone did call
Speaker 6: on my watch and me and Jess we were walking
Speaker 6: down the street and you know, you you kind of
Speaker 6: got to hold it up to hear it mm hm,
Speaker 6: And so I had Jesse had his arm around me
Speaker 6: and we're walking, and then I had my arm up
Speaker 6: like this so we both could hear it as we're walking,
Speaker 6: and some lady at Family Fair just walking and then
Speaker 6: when we got to the end of the sidewalk, she
Speaker 6: pulled up and she asked if I was okay, because
Speaker 6: the way it looked like we were walking was like
Speaker 6: he was kind of like dragging me along in a headlock.
Speaker 5: That's funny. Good looking out lady. Yeah that I told her.
Speaker 5: I'm like, thanks, we're just talking. That's funny talking on
Speaker 5: the watch, you know.
Speaker 3: You know Parker when he had butts martening all the time,
Speaker 3: she stopped bruising my wife. Yeah, Parker's our son if
Speaker 3: you're just lisn't And he's almost one and a half,
Speaker 3: and yeah, he'll throw that head around and caught my dad.
Speaker 5: Dad left bruise and he gave Grandpa a black eye.
Speaker 5: But wasn't that with something not his head, like an object?
Speaker 2: Yeah, toys whopped him up.
Speaker 4: This is just straight up him, just like hurling his
Speaker 4: body into space and no thought of what's behind him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like my head mm hmm.
Speaker 2: But it's out of love. It comes from a.
Speaker 4: Place just waiting until he like hits you square in
Speaker 4: the nose and like, oh man, he's done it. I mean,
Speaker 4: he has done it. But it's not the point where
Speaker 4: it's like God caused me, like bloody nose or anything.
Speaker 4: But it's potential it could happen. Yeah, he's get so big.
Speaker 5: He is, and he's so cute and he's so smart.
Speaker 5: He's the light in my life. Well you are too, honey,
Speaker 5: but you know, yeah, honey.
Speaker 3: But everything else that Parker is getting bigger. We got
Speaker 3: that project. We have a project called Restored Voices. You
Speaker 3: can check out the website Restored Voices dot com with
Speaker 3: BDAI and we're.
Speaker 5: Playing before, during, and after car stration.
Speaker 3: Good program here in Traverse City, Grand Trevis County.
Speaker 2: Fun people. Man, it's like it's good meaning with them.
Speaker 5: They are They're great, very real.
Speaker 2: I was afraid because I was like, I really want
Speaker 2: to make this like a big deal.
Speaker 3: And I was like, man, I hope they don't like
Speaker 3: shoot down my like let's make this thing awesome and
Speaker 3: great plan.
Speaker 2: And they didn't, and I was I like that, yeah
Speaker 2: they were. They were like, yeah, let's do that.
Speaker 5: So I was, yeah, I was pretty excited it's happening.
Speaker 6: I think it's going to be good. It it'll be interesting,
Speaker 6: and it'll be nice for people to be able to
Speaker 6: like kind of tell their stories that are from around here,
Speaker 6: for people to relate to, because sometimes, you know, we
Speaker 6: we can get on and watch these videos, but they're
Speaker 6: so far away, so it's like almost like they're removed
Speaker 6: from us, right, But when we see that these people
Speaker 6: are in our community, or we're going to meetings with them,
Speaker 6: or we see that you know, see them in passing,
Speaker 6: or that they're friends of a friend that it just
Speaker 6: there's something about it that just hits a little bit
Speaker 6: closer to home of like, oh, okay, this is you
Speaker 6: know they did it here. I can too.
Speaker 3: Absolutely it will be I mean, it'll be a brown
Speaker 3: northern Michigan area. I think who knows, it probably will
Speaker 3: expand at some point, but yeah, we'll start here first.
Speaker 2: You know, why not. And we have a cool location.
Speaker 3: I'm going to check on to see if we can
Speaker 3: film there, and if we can, we'll do it there.
Speaker 3: But it'll be more of a documentary, not like a
Speaker 3: I'm Marnie, how.
Speaker 2: You doing today?
Speaker 3: Used to do some drugs and now you're better, you know,
Speaker 3: So it'll it'll look cool.
Speaker 2: And I think people will be surprised and like, damn,
Speaker 2: that's that's really good. You did that. Not yeah, let's
Speaker 2: see my script.
Speaker 4: I really like it, and I think I think too.
Speaker 4: It's I mean, it just shows that there are these
Speaker 4: like kind of subtopics right of addiction and recovery that
Speaker 4: we that need to be addressed. So I mean this
Speaker 4: in particular is restored voices, which is individuals who have
Speaker 4: been incarcerated and more often than not, substance use disorder
Speaker 4: might be why they were incarcerated, but it's because of
Speaker 4: other mental health. It's accompanied with a co occurring and
Speaker 4: so and these are these are people that are sick.
Speaker 2: Right, and sometimes they have nothing and nobody.
Speaker 4: And the challenges and the barriers that they after, you know,
Speaker 4: being released is sometimes like just unsurmountable, right they can't
Speaker 4: overcome and figure their way through it and navigate how
Speaker 4: to start over, or it seems impossible. So you know,
Speaker 4: they really focus on on addressing that topic. And we
Speaker 4: think that this this podcast is going to be going
Speaker 4: to kind of really highlight that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be great, it will be good, but we
Speaker 2: said to wait, man, it's the hardest thing is patience.
Speaker 3: But no, we do have some plans coming and I
Speaker 3: think we'll shoot it in December, which would be perfect.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I do want to say again to like thanks to
Speaker 6: all the supporters and everyone that came to recut Free
Speaker 6: Stories Message of a Whole Part seven last week on Thursday.
Speaker 6: And I think the turnout was really good. The speakers
Speaker 6: were good, and we ran very smoothly and we just
Speaker 6: like did like a skip on a track because I stuttered,
Speaker 6: like stuttered into that.
Speaker 5: Great, that's going to be on something.
Speaker 2: Obviously.
Speaker 4: No, I think thanks for bringing that up, because yeah,
Speaker 4: it's I think. I mean, as we continue to have
Speaker 4: these this was our seventh event or Messages of Hope,
Speaker 4: and we continue to continue to get a great turnout.
Speaker 3: And it has nothing to do with us, it really doesn't.
Speaker 3: It's the recovery community here in Traverse City that wanted
Speaker 3: to support each other. That's what it is. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: it's people from across the area. You know, we had
Speaker 3: a couple of people from out of town that came,
Speaker 3: or at least one of them for sure, you know, And
Speaker 3: there were people that came to support her, you know,
Speaker 3: and that was very very cool. And that's that's what
Speaker 3: it is. And you know some people around town Rode
Speaker 3: I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't hear about it.
Speaker 3: And then that's that's okay, you know, like maybe next time,
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's not something that we're trying to
Speaker 3: put on the news or TV to be like, hey,
Speaker 3: we're trying to pack eighteen thousand people in here.
Speaker 2: It's a free event.
Speaker 3: It's fun, there's a nice meal and you get to
Speaker 3: do fellowship with people in the recovery community, and that's
Speaker 3: what it's about, you know. So like I think it
Speaker 3: goes pretty well. And I want to make sure those
Speaker 3: people that are speaking invite their people.
Speaker 5: Sure do too.
Speaker 6: And I think the gift baskets, like how we put
Speaker 6: them together, I think them are like a hit.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so, I mean Corey and I put a
Speaker 4: lot of Corey Smoker and I put a lot of
Speaker 4: work into reaching out to the local businesses and it's
Speaker 4: really great getting the responses from these you know, local
Speaker 4: businesses when some of them they want to have really
Speaker 4: long conversations about how great it is that we do
Speaker 4: what we do and that they appreciate.
Speaker 5: It feels really good that we have that support.
Speaker 6: And also I did when I dropped off a client yesterday,
Speaker 6: one of the navigators was out there and I just said,
Speaker 6: thanks again for coming and you know, bringing the gentlemen
Speaker 6: down there, and I hope they had a good time.
Speaker 6: And he said the next day that's all they talked
Speaker 6: about was just how much fun they had, they were
Speaker 6: so glad they went and how they felt included. Like,
Speaker 6: I think that's really awesome to just get that feedback
Speaker 6: and that they don't you know, not just there and
Speaker 6: like another thing, like they felt part of and involved
Speaker 6: and seeing other people like Adam get up there and
Speaker 6: speak and seeing you know, some of us that they
Speaker 6: do know part of this and putting it together volunteering
Speaker 6: or helping.
Speaker 4: Out, right, Yeah, because I mean a lot of those
Speaker 4: some of those people are there, both men and women
Speaker 4: from the residential programs that might be their first time
Speaker 4: in treatment or and this might be their first time
Speaker 4: at a recovery event. And so they're looking around the
Speaker 4: room and they know they came because they had to, right,
Speaker 4: I mean air quotes had to. I mean, it turns
Speaker 4: out what an awesome opportunity. But at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, they're looking around the room and there's all
Speaker 4: these other people that want to and choose to be
Speaker 4: in that room and are loving every minute of it.
Speaker 5: And that's amazing, it really is.
Speaker 6: And some of them it might be their first time
Speaker 6: like just even going out to some kind of event sober.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, connecting for sure, and the.
Speaker 3: Grand Tribes events and it was a great place and
Speaker 3: you guys make it look awesome too. And but yeah,
Speaker 3: when we first walked in there, the very first one,
Speaker 3: I was like, what are we going to do here?
Speaker 2: And I walked in. I was like, Wow, this is
Speaker 2: really nice.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know, and I think that kind of throws
Speaker 3: people off too, because they're used to going, Oh, we're.
Speaker 2: Gonna go to this meeting, it's gonna be in a basement.
Speaker 2: It's really crappy. No, it's really nice.
Speaker 6: See aren't you. Aren't you glad you met this Corey?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, yeah glad.
Speaker 2: My wife was talking to you because I was probably like.
Speaker 4: Exactly, you're a peach and then she you walked away
Speaker 4: and I was like, we need to hire her. I
Speaker 4: swear I said that that day, and we.
Speaker 5: Were getting together over at the comedy club.
Speaker 2: Then we went over there to check it out and
Speaker 2: you were cleaning m.
Speaker 5: But now, very i'm your employee.
Speaker 3: Nineteenth of twenty twenty six, in February. I know, I
Speaker 3: did that all weird.
Speaker 5: So February nineteenth next year.
Speaker 2: That'll be the next one.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's a.
Speaker 6: Thursday, So mark your calendars if you're listening today.
Speaker 3: Two days after two seventeen. There you go one day
Speaker 3: maybe in two years, so we'll have it on two seventeen.
Speaker 3: It either goes one way or the other way. Right, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's too much.
Speaker 5: Hope we don't get that weep day in there.
Speaker 3: All right, We won't, not in two years unless it's longer.
Speaker 3: But anyway, that was our little fun Friday podcast I
Speaker 3: got on soapbox.
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. I don't know you guys have anything else.
Speaker 6: Just to remind everybody, we don't have any in person
Speaker 6: meetings here this weekend.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, we're just pausing on that for a minute.
Speaker 2: And you can get.
Speaker 3: Into all your stuff at a later time because Marty's
Speaker 3: not exciting us too.
Speaker 5: But for right now you have to wait.
Speaker 2: Have a good weekend.
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