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Speaker 1: It's Thursday. It's pop and Bravo Thursday. I'm going to
Speaker 1: talk about some pop culture but mostly Bravo with my guest,
Speaker 1: a true expert on all things Bravo and therapy. It's
Speaker 1: Melissa Reischer, bist therapist. I always want to go to
Speaker 1: the bish therapist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a mouthful. Yes, you're a bish therapist here
Speaker 2: I am. Thank you, Mary Payn. I'm so happy to
Speaker 2: be back.
Speaker 1: Because I wanted to say you're bitch.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well, because you had miss Amy Phillips on the.
Speaker 1: Pod recently, I did. I did.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was such a great episode, and that is
Speaker 2: what my name was.
Speaker 3: Your bitch therapist.
Speaker 2: But you know, having a curse in your in your
Speaker 2: brand and your handle is frowned upon.
Speaker 3: So bitch came bisch And here she is Kimberly.
Speaker 1: And Katie on a Date with Dateline. They do not
Speaker 1: curse on their podcast. Kimberly curses up a storm on here,
Speaker 1: but on Date with Dateline they do not curse. Is
Speaker 1: totally clean, so they say, bisc.
Speaker 3: Oh, bisk, that's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could have been your bisk therapist. People might
Speaker 2: have thought that I was like a soup kindosseur.
Speaker 1: But yes, I think that's what they would have thought,
Speaker 1: and I wanted. This is a plug for Amy Poehler's podcast.
Speaker 1: You guys know, my listeners know that I am obsessed
Speaker 1: with and have been from day one a Billie Eilish
Speaker 1: stand and Billie Eilish was on Amy Peller's podcast Good
Speaker 1: Hang and just made me so happy.
Speaker 3: It's just so happy. What do you let me ask
Speaker 3: for your pain? What do you? I love Billie Eilish too,
Speaker 3: but what is it about her? Like? What draws you
Speaker 3: to her? Do you even know?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think she's so talented and beautiful and
Speaker 2: a wonderful person, but I don't know her, but she
Speaker 2: seems great.
Speaker 1: I think I was first drawn to which she was
Speaker 1: so young, and my daughter was like, let me play
Speaker 1: this for you, and I was like, first of all,
Speaker 1: green hair gross, still still think that I didn't like
Speaker 1: when she had just like the green on the whatever
Speaker 1: you know you're young. I was so drawn to her
Speaker 1: voice and how young she was, and like how much
Speaker 1: she had created being so young, And you could say
Speaker 1: the same about lots of artists, right, I think that's
Speaker 1: what I was so drawn to. And then when you
Speaker 1: really get into her lyrics and you're like wow. And
Speaker 1: then I watched the Apple documentary that was on when
Speaker 1: they were doing Going from First Album to Second Album,
Speaker 1: where they like won all the Emmys. I was just
Speaker 1: blown away by how talented she and her brother were
Speaker 1: and so I don't know, I just love her. I
Speaker 1: just love Billie Eilish. My daughter and I went and
Speaker 1: saw her in Cleave. Yeah, we went to Cleveland, Ohio
Speaker 1: because like we couldn't get tickets. We could not get
Speaker 1: tickets in like New York, DC, Philly, Pittsburgh, Son. We
Speaker 1: went to Cleveland, Ohio.
Speaker 2: Listen, we my husband and I I'm from Chicago, Illinois
Speaker 2: born and raised, and so every year we drive back
Speaker 2: and when we drive through Ohio, I just chuckle, because yeah,
Speaker 2: it's I saw something on social media about how some
Speaker 2: of the worst celebrities have come out of Ohio.
Speaker 1: You got you got Lebron James.
Speaker 2: Oh no, and there's some great ones too, for sure,
Speaker 2: but of course it was I just thought that was
Speaker 2: so funny.
Speaker 3: But listen, have you ever been to the Rock and
Speaker 3: Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: But oh good, I would.
Speaker 1: I wanted to do that. We went to the zoo.
Speaker 1: We went to the Cleveland Zoo.
Speaker 3: Oh that's nice too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was pretty great. They had you know,
Speaker 1: the kind of thing where you go inside and then
Speaker 1: you can see like all the hippos swimming underwater, and
Speaker 1: they had kangaroos and that was interesting.
Speaker 3: Don't sleep don't sleep on Cleveland people there, but you can.
Speaker 1: Walk around inside with the kangaroos like they were just
Speaker 1: amongst you, and you were like, stay on the path.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: It's amazing. I love that.
Speaker 2: We'll have to do that when we drive to Chicago
Speaker 2: this this fall.
Speaker 1: It is a great zoo. It is a great zoo.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And my kids and my husband went to the Rock
Speaker 1: and Roll Hall of Fame when they went one time.
Speaker 1: I'm to Cleveland basketball game. Because my son was and
Speaker 1: still is at age twenty, always a huge Lebron fan.
Speaker 1: My daughter for Christmas this year gave him a big,
Speaker 1: huge blanket with Lebron's face all over it.
Speaker 3: Oh that's really sweet.
Speaker 2: I love that and I highly recommend Rock and Roll
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. When we went, we went twice, it
Speaker 2: was Tom.
Speaker 3: They featured Tom Petty.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that was really I'm here's the thing. I
Speaker 2: am a huge music junkie. I am the type of
Speaker 2: person who certain music, like people like Billie Eilish, people
Speaker 2: with really beautiful voices.
Speaker 3: I will literally get goosebumps.
Speaker 2: Because like I feel it in my soul, and so
Speaker 2: for me, yeah, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Speaker 2: is where it's at.
Speaker 3: So can't recommend it highly enough.
Speaker 1: I saw Tom Petty one time in the airport in LA.
Speaker 1: Must have been what year I got married in twenty twenty? Nope,
Speaker 1: I got married in twenty twenty twenty, was just six
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 3: It was It's like, Mary Payne, what do you say?
Speaker 1: I got married in two thousand, so this must have
Speaker 1: been in twenty nineteen. I saw him in the airport
Speaker 1: in LA just like walked right past him and it
Speaker 1: was like I just didn't know what to do. But
Speaker 1: rip Tom Petty. All right, this is not about Tom Petty. Listen, yes,
Speaker 1: all right. I when I do pop the Bravo episodes,
Speaker 1: I generally don't prepare any nose because I just like
Speaker 1: to talk. So did you watch Ladies of London?
Speaker 3: I that is the only show I haven't watched. But
Speaker 3: here's the thing. I know, Mary Payne.
Speaker 2: I've heard it's so good, and I'm happy to chat
Speaker 2: about it because I'd love your perspective.
Speaker 3: Everyone keeps telling me it's good.
Speaker 2: But my problem is there is too much Bravo TV
Speaker 2: on and I could not fit it in the schedule.
Speaker 1: I understand I couldn't do it. It's great, it's an easy watch.
Speaker 1: I would say, it's a you know, pay attention, but
Speaker 1: not you don't have to like super pay attention. The
Speaker 1: reason you would like it, and I would like for
Speaker 1: you to watch the whole thing and then come back
Speaker 1: to me here.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: The reason you would like it is because there is
Speaker 1: a lot of therapy that needs to be done with
Speaker 1: these characters.
Speaker 3: As is usually the case with reality TV.
Speaker 1: But right, all right, there's a woman on it that
Speaker 1: has like a full panic attack meltdown, and she's an actress,
Speaker 1: so it's really questioned of like it's true because she,
Speaker 1: you know, claims to have this panic attack and then
Speaker 1: claims it's all because of her hormones. But then other
Speaker 1: people are like, no, we saw a text that she
Speaker 1: said was like, wasn't that a great performance?
Speaker 2: So uh oh, so she's like Emmy on Southern Hospitality,
Speaker 2: fake panic attacks to try to manipulate and.
Speaker 1: To get it out, to get out of a situation
Speaker 1: that maybe you create. You had some bad behavior and
Speaker 1: you created a situation for yourself, And like, maybe if
Speaker 1: I pretend to have a panic attack, everybody will forget
Speaker 1: what an asshole I was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that is a tactic that I do see
Speaker 3: a lot. So I are you not watching Southern Hospitality.
Speaker 1: I have never watched one episode of that, And I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: You don't need to apologize. Listen, MP, your time is valuable,
Speaker 2: do you boo? But my point is that Emmy does
Speaker 2: the same thing. She pretends to have these panic attacks
Speaker 2: to get out of tough conversations. And I'll just be clear,
Speaker 2: I don't even need to watch the show to tell
Speaker 2: you that is manipulation, clear and simple, and a person
Speaker 2: who would do that to get out of tough conversations
Speaker 2: is definitely has traits and tendencies that are red flags.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would say, yes, I agree. And then there's
Speaker 1: another woman on there. There's a lot of fluid accents,
Speaker 1: a la jerite, right, you know, there's another woman on
Speaker 1: Ladies on One. Her name is Kimmy and she's a
Speaker 1: great case study because she has lots of accents and stuff,
Speaker 1: and she, you know, really shuts down when people want
Speaker 1: to talk about things that are serious. She's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't need to hear sob stories, you know, with
Speaker 1: people like we're actually just trying to talk about something serious.
Speaker 1: She's fascinating. She's from Miami but kind of grew up
Speaker 1: in Haiti in sort of a questionable regime that her
Speaker 1: dad was in, and then moved back to Florida. But
Speaker 1: now she lives in London, so her accent is all
Speaker 1: over the place and she is clearly a barely functioning alcoholic.
Speaker 1: So that's fascinating. Then what you would I think would
Speaker 1: be very interesting And again I'm not giving it away
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna make you watch it. There's the one
Speaker 1: male on the cast. His name is Mark Francis, and
Speaker 1: he is an openly gay man and he's been on
Speaker 1: another Bravo show and he's you know, gets driven around
Speaker 1: because his dad is like an Italian count or something.
Speaker 1: He's very weltered, very weltered. But there is a point
Speaker 1: on the season where he breaks down and he explains
Speaker 1: to these women like you don't understand what it's like
Speaker 1: to be called a freak and to be called creepy.
Speaker 1: And when you're young and you're in an all boys
Speaker 1: school and you're the only only one that's like openly
Speaker 1: gay or knows that you're gay, and you're bullied in this,
Speaker 1: and then you become an adult and somebody says things
Speaker 1: to you. It brings it all back, and I'll never
Speaker 1: be able to introduce my partner to my parents, Like
Speaker 1: you guys don't understand, and it's all very vulnerable and
Speaker 1: apparently like these people who have been friends with him
Speaker 1: for fifteen years are like he never talks about this,
Speaker 1: Like so we were like does he have a partner,
Speaker 1: and his friends at fifteen years like don't even know,
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Speaker 2: Now, let me ask you that that gentleman that we're
Speaker 2: talking about, does he like act out, like have big
Speaker 2: oversized reactions to things like when he gets upset.
Speaker 1: No, the thing is you. The only thing that gets
Speaker 1: him upset is Margo, the woman that fakes the panic attack.
Speaker 1: Everybody else did, They love him, He is best friends,
Speaker 1: everything is great, but Margo is the one that really
Speaker 1: pushes his buttons. And then when he sort of calls
Speaker 1: her out on it, that's when she like fakes the
Speaker 1: panic attack. But he's very outward with this, like darling, hello,
Speaker 1: and everybody's beautiful and you're incredible, and he's that. And
Speaker 1: that's what Margot can't stand because she sees it as
Speaker 1: fake and he just sees it as being British, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh and okay, so okay, I can tell you right now.
Speaker 2: Then this is why he's triggered by her, because she
Speaker 2: wants him to be quieter and he's had to be
Speaker 2: quiet his whole life and he's gonna be literally triggered
Speaker 2: by that. And that is why they have that relationship.
Speaker 3: See, I don't even need to watch it. You can
Speaker 3: just tell me about it and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1: No. And by the way, didn't watch it. Nailed it,
Speaker 1: nailed it, nailed it. But you have to watch it,
Speaker 1: and that's your assignment. And when you're done, I have homework.
Speaker 1: Give me a little text to two and say hey,
Speaker 1: I watched it and we're gonna come back and we're
Speaker 1: gonna analyze. Okay, fair enough, we're gonna go. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get down the whole list. Yeah, even if listen, this
Speaker 1: is the season that somebody left on the first episode.
Speaker 1: Somebody on the first episode tried to do Bravo, Bravo,
Speaker 1: fucking bravo. First episode. They were like, We're like, who
Speaker 1: are you. We've watched the show for fifteen minutes and
Speaker 1: you're trying to leave.
Speaker 2: Wow, those that's a that's a wild level of entitlement.
Speaker 2: You're not even famous yet and you're already trying to
Speaker 2: pull that card. That's wild.
Speaker 1: It's great. You gotta watch it. You gotta watch it. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: Ladies of London so Beverly Hills, Okay, I'm caught up.
Speaker 1: We record this on Wednesday, and we've seen now part
Speaker 1: two of the reunion. I thought it was great. I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes the second part of the reunion is
Speaker 1: like they put the stuff in the middle. What is
Speaker 1: up with dread? I cannot put my finger on it.
Speaker 1: First of all, this is how she talks, Kyle. I
Speaker 1: do not know what you're talking about. And every confessional
Speaker 1: she does, it is so measured, and metered as if
Speaker 1: she's reading the script. She was like, and what do
Speaker 1: you think of a friend like that? You're just like
Speaker 1: talk naturally, you know, let's get some therapizing on Dereite.
Speaker 1: What's happening?
Speaker 2: Okay, So my theory about Deria, which I've talked about
Speaker 2: on my social media, is that sometimes when people I
Speaker 2: always say, when humans try to correct frequently we overcorrect
Speaker 2: myself included, like even being aware of it sometimes doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: And so I think in my mind, Dereit went from
Speaker 2: being in this marriage where she was pretending things were
Speaker 2: fine and she was maintaining her image and her status quo,
Speaker 2: and now she's given up the ghost of doing that
Speaker 2: and has overcorrected into sometimes like when trauma survivors start
Speaker 2: using their voice, it's so loud and it's so reckless
Speaker 2: because again they're overcorrecting. So my interpretation of what's happening
Speaker 2: with Deret is that she feels free and unburdened, but
Speaker 2: she's overcorrected and now she's just.
Speaker 3: Acting like an asshole.
Speaker 2: So what I heard on social media, which who knows
Speaker 2: if this is true with AI and everything, I just like,
Speaker 2: don't trust anything anymore, but that the book, the pre
Speaker 2: sales were low, so they may not publish it. That's
Speaker 2: what I saw, But I just I didn't delve into
Speaker 2: it further. I wish I would have, And so who knows.
Speaker 2: Hopefully that's not true, because I would love for Dereit
Speaker 2: to be I want everyone to be successful and happy,
Speaker 2: and I do want her to tell her story. But
Speaker 2: the problem is, I think that if she were telling
Speaker 2: her story in a way that wasn't being an asshole,
Speaker 2: I think people would care about her being unburdened, you know.
Speaker 2: But the fact is that Deree she overtalks. She does
Speaker 2: this thing where she does not let anyone.
Speaker 3: Get a word in edgewise.
Speaker 2: And to be honest, there is narcissistic traits and tendencies
Speaker 2: in that thinking that our voice is the most important thing,
Speaker 2: that we have the right to overtalk people and prevent
Speaker 2: people from being heard. And you can tell that she
Speaker 2: talks so much that it fatigues everybody. Yes, and that
Speaker 2: is a real problem. Like when you're fatiguing Andy at
Speaker 2: a reunion, that's an issue.
Speaker 1: What does she say this week when he says, well,
Speaker 1: I'm making an analogy and she says not a good one. Yep, ohkay, okay,
Speaker 1: hey shit, you know she snapped and he goes on.
Speaker 1: He goes like, okay, I thought I was good and listen.
Speaker 2: I thought his analogy was a good one too. But
Speaker 2: the problem is, again Deree has overcorrected so much, or
Speaker 2: she just thinks she's like above the law emotionally speaking,
Speaker 2: but she really does have trouble acknowledging her missteps, like
Speaker 2: if someone hurts her, if someone hurts us, it's that's valid.
Speaker 2: But then if we hurt someone as well, that's also valid.
Speaker 2: So dere is she seems to be that type of person,
Speaker 2: which to me, this is emotional immaturity that says, well,
Speaker 2: you've treated me poorly, so now I'm gonna treat you poorly.
Speaker 2: People sometimes have that eye for an eye mentality, and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 3: That's you usually see.
Speaker 2: That in emotionally immature people, because emotional maturity tells us well,
Speaker 2: even if they hurt me, that doesn't give me the
Speaker 2: right to be a blatant asshole, right. Some people miss
Speaker 2: that emotional maturity chip, and I think Dari's missing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't want to be on PK side
Speaker 1: because I feel like he's also an asshole and probably
Speaker 1: is the burden, but I don't know. I just sometimes
Speaker 1: I feel like you meet this person who's kind of
Speaker 1: a swindler, you marry the person that's kind of a swindler,
Speaker 1: and then you're surprised when they're a swindler and you
Speaker 1: play the victim, you know, you know, And I feel
Speaker 1: a little bit that way about Brittany and Jackson. God
Speaker 1: bless you know, God blessed Brittany. She's got two or
Speaker 1: three stones row uping together in her head trying to
Speaker 1: make a fire. She really does. But I feel like,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean, Like you're just not
Speaker 1: the rightest right, but you feel like you knew and
Speaker 1: you don't want a victim blame, but you're like you
Speaker 1: knew what you were doing, and so now is the
Speaker 1: time where you say, hey, when I'm married this person,
Speaker 1: I wasn't quite sure, but I'm married for love, and
Speaker 1: you just take a little bit of blame of it,
Speaker 1: like yeah, I mean Brittany has said like I thought
Speaker 1: I could change Jack's blah blah blah, right, but durit
Speaker 1: is everything is PK's fault. Everything As if she didn't
Speaker 1: like completely change when she got on the show and
Speaker 1: all of that.
Speaker 2: You know that's exactly right, and so emotional maturity also
Speaker 2: doesn't or emotional immaturity does not allow people to understand
Speaker 2: their role. So to your point with Britney, and it's
Speaker 2: not victim blaming because what I've said about Brittany is
Speaker 2: that whether we like it or not, when we enter
Speaker 2: a very toxic relationship or or in a relationship that
Speaker 2: evolves to severe toxicity, every person in the family system
Speaker 2: becomes sick. Whether they know it or not, whether they
Speaker 2: like it or not, whether they want to admit it
Speaker 2: or not, everyone is sick in that system. So Brittany
Speaker 2: has to the work that she has to do is
Speaker 2: to step back and understand what led me to stay
Speaker 2: in something that doesn't serve me, what led me to
Speaker 2: gravitate towards a person who's unsafe, who doesn't value me.
Speaker 2: That is where the real, good, healthy work lies. When
Speaker 2: we leave an unhealthy relationship. No shame, because we don't
Speaker 2: shame victims here, nobody does that.
Speaker 3: But it until we can.
Speaker 2: See why did we make the choices we make, we
Speaker 2: have a hard time making different choices. And so going
Speaker 2: back to dere I agree with you that not everything
Speaker 2: is PK's fault.
Speaker 3: Has he had, you know, issues with alcoholism?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 3: Has he been an asshole too?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But in a relationship it may not always be
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty. But every person in a dynamic plays
Speaker 2: role in those dynamics period And so Drey trying to
Speaker 2: say that this is all Piquet absolves her of any role,
Speaker 2: which is just not accurate and it's not going to
Speaker 2: serve her. And quite frankly, if she continues to dive
Speaker 2: into this, she's just going to become more of an asshole,
Speaker 2: just with less friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it reminds me a lot of those two seasons
Speaker 1: where Erica was so horrible and we were like girl,
Speaker 1: you know, like she just was like what about me?
Speaker 1: You know, and all of that, and she has sort
Speaker 1: of I think she was such in a fight or
Speaker 1: flight shocked situation that was such an extended period of
Speaker 1: time that once she sort of came out of that cloud,
Speaker 1: she has become more likable now.
Speaker 2: Yes, In fact, I would say this was Erica's best
Speaker 2: reunion ever ever because she was vulnerable and articulate in
Speaker 2: ways without that armor, without the jabs, without the meanness,
Speaker 2: she took away the means she took away the facade
Speaker 2: and just bared herself. Now how authentic that was for,
Speaker 2: you know, in reality, like what she's feeling versus trying
Speaker 2: to now do something because she didn't do a lot
Speaker 2: all season. I don't know, I don't know what the
Speaker 2: motivation is, but I appreciated how she presented. And this
Speaker 2: is an Erica that I can get behind. But that's
Speaker 2: a very good analogy of where Durit's.
Speaker 1: At now right where people are just like, god, she
Speaker 1: needs to get off the show. And I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want to love Erica. You know, I did
Speaker 1: think it was interesting. I do always like when they
Speaker 1: show us something like a little peak of Durid had
Speaker 1: said to Erica. I guess in an off mic moment.
Speaker 1: She had said, like, you're doing nothing this season. You
Speaker 1: need to bring it right.
Speaker 2: And then no, Durit said, you're using me for a
Speaker 2: storyline because you're bringing nothing.
Speaker 1: I think yes, but I do think it was an
Speaker 1: extension of she had told her earlier, like you better
Speaker 1: step it up. You're not bringing anything, and so she's like,
Speaker 1: and so now because I said that to you, you're
Speaker 1: using me. You know, I'm the one that told you
Speaker 1: you need to bring it. And now it is interesting
Speaker 1: that you would think behind the scenes that one of
Speaker 1: them would say to the other, like, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: kicked off this show if you don't go on a
Speaker 1: date with a crazy person or have you know, to
Speaker 1: fire your assistant or have a fight with your kid.
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're if you don't. It's interesting that
Speaker 1: they would say that to each other, right.
Speaker 2: It is interesting, And to me, it just gives evidence
Speaker 2: that oh, I hate to say this, but when housewives
Speaker 2: are go on, you know, real househosts of Beverly Hills,
Speaker 2: they're in their fifteenth season, and it just to me
Speaker 2: shows that once these women get so famous that they
Speaker 2: become like pop culture icons, there's just a level of
Speaker 2: not going back from that. That is what makes me
Speaker 2: feel frustrated because it just loses a little bit or
Speaker 2: a lot bit of the authenticity because now this is
Speaker 2: a game for these women where it's like this is
Speaker 2: our livelihood and this is our job, and so we
Speaker 2: want to make sure that it's drama and all of this,
Speaker 2: and then that's where I'm like, well, then this is.
Speaker 3: Just curated and I don't I just don't like it.
Speaker 3: It's just you know what I mean, it.
Speaker 1: Feels like, well, I will say that. Kimberly of a
Speaker 1: Date with Dateline and my friend, my co host, she
Speaker 1: recommended a while back to everybody a book to read
Speaker 1: called The Favorite Sister. Now I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: and I'm always looking for a good book to read
Speaker 1: before bed. So it is a book sort of a
Speaker 1: not sort of it. It is a book about a
Speaker 1: reality show that's all women, and it's the name of
Speaker 1: the name of the TV show is Goal Diggers, and
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be about all these like entrepreneurial women
Speaker 1: or women that have all kind of made their own
Speaker 1: thing and they're all like, no kids, successful, Like it's
Speaker 1: to show that you can be you know, married or single,
Speaker 1: no kids, and it's kind of really heavy on the
Speaker 1: no kids. You know, there's there's older women, there's younger women,
Speaker 1: there's lesbians, and there's and they cycle them through, you
Speaker 1: know once it's like somethhow once you get to be
Speaker 1: thirty four, like you're too old and but anyway, there's
Speaker 1: a sister on it and then they've realized that her sister,
Speaker 1: who she thinks is kind of boring. They find the
Speaker 1: sisters story kind of interesting because she has a child
Speaker 1: out of wedlock from a man that she met, like
Speaker 1: in Morocco or something. So they're like, oh, your sister
Speaker 1: has a child out of wedlock, but it's also works
Speaker 1: for your company, and her child is mixed race. Sign
Speaker 1: her up, and so that sort of you see the
Speaker 1: machinations behind it of like, Okay, we always said no kids,
Speaker 1: but her child is mixed race. So that's interesting. And
Speaker 1: it's all about like the one sister being like, wait,
Speaker 1: now you're using my niece because she's half black. You
Speaker 1: know it was yeah, and then there's somebody dies like
Speaker 1: right away and you don't know it. It's in a
Speaker 1: way it reminds me of my favorite book of all time,
Speaker 1: of This Secret History, Like the first paragraph, you know
Speaker 1: this person died, and then the whole book is explaining how,
Speaker 1: and the whole book you're reading it going is this
Speaker 1: when she's gonna die away? This is how did this? Wait?
Speaker 1: Somebody else dies? Like it is. It's a really really
Speaker 1: good book, but it speaks a lot to what you're
Speaker 1: saying about a show that's been on a long time
Speaker 1: and being close with production and them saying like okay,
Speaker 1: and it kind of goes behind, Like before they go
Speaker 1: to a lunch, they'll all get a text from production like,
Speaker 1: remember so and so said this about you last week.
Speaker 1: Don't forget to bring it up. So they go into
Speaker 1: it with fresh in their mind of like, oh, I
Speaker 1: have to talk about.
Speaker 3: This, and see here's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, I under what you just explained of what
Speaker 2: goes on in reality TV. That is manipulation, and when
Speaker 2: you're manipulating something, it's changing the dynamic, which is listen.
Speaker 2: I understand there is fine lines when it comes to
Speaker 2: reality TV in terms of how curated is and how
Speaker 2: much reality there is, but for sure, like I would
Speaker 2: argue that Real Housewives of Rhode Island is a great
Speaker 2: example of how first season housewives who are brand new
Speaker 2: yes can bring it be so vulnerable because their heads
Speaker 2: aren't huge. They're not like, oh, you know, there's a
Speaker 2: million fan pages about me, because that changes your psychology.
Speaker 2: When you get to a level of fame, you it
Speaker 2: absolutely changes the psychology of things, and.
Speaker 3: So you know it's but it really is.
Speaker 2: It's a good note to remember, especially for me, because
Speaker 2: it's hard to interpret something that you're like, well, how
Speaker 2: much of this is manipulated. How much of this is
Speaker 2: really what we're seeing?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's that's my tough point sometimes, and it's.
Speaker 1: A lot of in the book talks about a lot
Speaker 1: about what we see on Beverly Hills, is like, how
Speaker 1: much do you ever see these people together in the
Speaker 1: off season?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Like de and Kyle aren't friends?
Speaker 2: They were I think, well, I think I think they
Speaker 2: had a friendship of convenience. I think when they were
Speaker 2: in their relationships with Mo and Pku, Moe and Piquet
Speaker 2: seem to have a real kinship. But I think for me,
Speaker 2: what I'm seeing is that Dereet and Kyle maybe were
Speaker 2: more along for the ride. They were like in the
Speaker 2: sidecar and they were like, oh, well, we're friends because
Speaker 2: we're all here together.
Speaker 1: And then I've had dinner a little weekend, It's fine,
Speaker 1: Like we're not best friends, but I'll check in, how's
Speaker 1: how is the dance recital? Or yeah, right right?
Speaker 2: And I think Durit's point, even though she is being
Speaker 2: an asshole like they're not friends, Kyle's trying to be like,
Speaker 2: I'm concerned and I have these you know, worries about you,
Speaker 2: and she's like, you're not concerned. If you were concerned,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have put you wouldn't have stood up for PK.
Speaker 3: I swear to you.
Speaker 2: The moment where Durree where Kyle lost Deurite was in
Speaker 2: the beginning of the season when Durita is talking about
Speaker 2: just like being so upset about p K and her
Speaker 2: kids not being able to see her parents, and Kyle
Speaker 2: was like, well, let's not be too hard on PK
Speaker 2: because maybe he has read.
Speaker 3: That's when she lost tour eat.
Speaker 2: Because when you invalidate someone when they are in the
Speaker 2: pits of hell, they most people like that are going
Speaker 2: to be like, I'm not fucking with you anymore.
Speaker 3: And to me.
Speaker 2: After that, deurit was like, Kyle's not my real friend
Speaker 2: and this is all a facade, which I think she
Speaker 2: has points.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think last season Kyle basically said to Duri,
Speaker 1: we weren't that good of friends, you know, and Duri
Speaker 1: It's like I thought we were, but apparently we weren't.
Speaker 1: You know. That's a good point, you know, because last
Speaker 1: season Kyle was like, what are you talking about? Like
Speaker 1: we weren't that good of friends? And I thought it
Speaker 1: was very, very interesting and I haven't had a chance
Speaker 1: to talk to you about this with my history, you
Speaker 1: know you're living with an alcoholic. My husband's in recovery
Speaker 1: because you guys are new twelve years, so it's to me.
Speaker 1: It was interesting when Duripe sat down with the MO,
Speaker 1: is said to him, I sat with my husband when
Speaker 1: he told you he had an addiction and had a
Speaker 1: drinking problem. So now you can't pretend like it's fine
Speaker 1: for you guys to go out four times a week
Speaker 1: because you do know that he has a drinking problem.
Speaker 1: You can't just say he never told me that we
Speaker 1: sat together as a couple and he told you as
Speaker 1: my best friend, I need help. I have a drinking problem.
Speaker 1: I can't stop. And now MO, you're trying to rewrite
Speaker 1: history because p K says it's fine to go out.
Speaker 1: But and I gotta tell you, I we see this
Speaker 1: sometimes on shows and we sell it with Craig and Austin,
Speaker 1: and somebody flat out tells you I have a drinking problem.
Speaker 1: I'm an alcoholic, whatever the addiction may be. And then
Speaker 1: maybe it's just even if it's real life, and the
Speaker 1: six months later they're like, eh, I was kind of
Speaker 1: worried about it, but now not now I'm drinking again.
Speaker 1: You as a friend have to be like, I don't.
Speaker 1: Let's talk this through a little bit, you know. And
Speaker 1: I think when when Durreek called mo on that that
Speaker 1: was probably one of the best points she made.
Speaker 3: Oh, probably one of the only good points that.
Speaker 1: She made, right, right, But I think it was interesting
Speaker 1: you got that, like off camera we sat with you
Speaker 1: and he told you he had a drinking problem. So
Speaker 1: it's this is not brand new information to.
Speaker 2: You, right, And people like you and I who are
Speaker 2: well acquainted with addiction for sure, are going to notice
Speaker 2: those things, whereas other people think, oh, well, we're being
Speaker 2: too hard, and it's like, no, you don't understand.
Speaker 3: Addiction is a deadly disease and if.
Speaker 2: Someone is in recovery and they go back to a substance,
Speaker 2: it is a relapse. Should be addressed as a relapse
Speaker 2: and should be discussed.
Speaker 3: Like in the program, they.
Speaker 2: Call it responsible concerns, which is when you have someone
Speaker 2: in recovery who's relapsed, or responsible concern is to say,
Speaker 2: I have noticed this, and this is a real issue,
Speaker 2: and I want you right to look at this.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're well acquainted with.
Speaker 2: That, and it is the one sticking point this is
Speaker 2: a hill that I will die on, is that Mauricio
Speaker 2: does not have any emotional understanding of a lot.
Speaker 3: Of things, and he is just to me.
Speaker 2: I think he you know, like the psychic said Alison Dubois,
Speaker 2: he will never emotionally fulfill Kyle.
Speaker 3: I mean, but she was right.
Speaker 2: But he can't emotionally fulfill anyone. Because if your best
Speaker 2: friend said they're an alcoholic and now you think it's
Speaker 2: cool to socially drink with them, you either don't get
Speaker 2: it or you are sick to.
Speaker 3: And are a part of the problem. So I need
Speaker 3: to know where to one.
Speaker 1: Because you're like, well, that's not fun for me if
Speaker 1: my friend can't drink, So that's not fun for me.
Speaker 1: So I think I'll just ignore it and act like
Speaker 1: it's okay if you drink, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You have to like it's it's not okay, and you
Speaker 1: have to be the friend. And if you lose that friend,
Speaker 1: you lose that friend. They'll come back to you eventually,
Speaker 1: maybe when they're ter.
Speaker 2: You know, that's that's right For some people, that helps
Speaker 2: them to get to a rock bottom. For some people
Speaker 2: that it is life saving to draw a healthy boundary
Speaker 2: with someone who has relapsed.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 2: That because like Craig and Austin, yes, literally absolutely positively.
Speaker 2: I mean Austin for sure had points that Craig went
Speaker 2: from trying to claim he was an addict to now
Speaker 2: just being doing the same thing.
Speaker 3: It's it's just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like why aren't you fun? Why you got drink?
Speaker 1: And Austin's like, the last season you told me you
Speaker 1: couldn't go out and drink, and this season you're asking
Speaker 1: me why I won't go out and drink. Like it's
Speaker 1: it's really very it's very very similar. I mean, my god,
Speaker 1: you need to write a book. You need to write
Speaker 1: a book about all the things that just repeat themselves
Speaker 1: over and over and over on these shows, because.
Speaker 3: You know what it is, there are themes.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of themes, whether it's you know, shows
Speaker 2: I don't even watch, but all the shows on Bravo.
Speaker 2: I just covered Summerhouse today on my on Instagram, and
Speaker 2: there are for sure themes like triangulation, manipulation and things
Speaker 2: like that that it's so funny. So I'll tell you
Speaker 2: this really quick. I had a reading with a woman
Speaker 2: named Tasha. She's the pop astrologist on Instagram and it's
Speaker 2: like intuitive astrology, which sounds woo woo, but it was
Speaker 2: so spot on it was actually crazy. And she kept
Speaker 2: the theme of me writing a book keeps coming up
Speaker 2: and I'm like, h so, well, let me tell you
Speaker 2: something really exciting. Mary Payne speaking about So, I don't
Speaker 2: know if I'm going to be writing a book, but
Speaker 2: one thing I'm going to be doing is I hired
Speaker 2: an editor and producer, and your girl is going to
Speaker 2: be doing more shows. Yeah, he's now officially one person
Speaker 2: on Team Bush. So my point is is that with
Speaker 2: hiring someone to do those things, hopefully it leaves me
Speaker 2: more time to do some of this great stuff and
Speaker 2: who knows, maybe one day that is writing a book.
Speaker 1: So yeah, because yeah, I mean I think you could
Speaker 1: literally go through in is for narcissism. Let me count
Speaker 1: the ways.
Speaker 3: I almost spin on my water when A is.
Speaker 1: For addiction chapter nine, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Amos for manipulation, all right, and then you can be
Speaker 2: then you could be fun and be like F is
Speaker 2: for fabulous, see Patricia.
Speaker 1: Also, I mean you know what I mean, you could
Speaker 1: do Yes, boy, I don't know, it's.
Speaker 2: Did you did you just plant the seeds of a
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Speaker 1: their podcast they were talking about children's books for kids
Speaker 1: with anxiety and things and things that you were like
Speaker 1: scared of when you were little, like tidal waves, quicksand
Speaker 1: for me, vampires and also bigfoot, just like real afraid
Speaker 1: of Bigfoot. And we sort of looking about like, you know,
Speaker 1: my anxiety is a vampire, and you'd be like, ooh,
Speaker 1: a scary vampire. I was just like, why when you're little,
Speaker 1: things that scary you like that, you know they're still
Speaker 1: in your mind as an adult. I'm, you know, in
Speaker 1: my fifties, and I'm always like, I could still be
Speaker 1: afraid of a vampire, even though I know it's not true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's the thing about anxiety is
Speaker 2: like anxiety really does lie to us, and it does
Speaker 2: show how when we're little, the things that happen to us,
Speaker 2: the things our parents say to us, the things that
Speaker 2: we experience, they.
Speaker 3: Stick with us.
Speaker 2: So I think those are really like adult anxieties didn't.
Speaker 3: Just sprout up like when we became adult. They're definitely planted,
Speaker 3: you know, when you come out of the womb, come.
Speaker 2: Into this world of whatever dysfunction we're born into some
Speaker 2: people more than others.
Speaker 3: And yes, that I love.
Speaker 2: I love that you guys talked about that because I
Speaker 2: feel like one of my favorite things about this new
Speaker 2: generation of folks is that there is so much focus
Speaker 2: and attention to mental health. Like when I was growing
Speaker 2: up in the eighties, I was like so depressed or
Speaker 2: anxious and it was just like rub some dirt on
Speaker 2: it and go away, take your bike, go outside and
Speaker 2: you're fine, come back till dinner. Yeah, your finger, right.
Speaker 2: But today, and by the way, that's why those anxieties persist,
Speaker 2: because when an anxiety is ignored instead of attended to,
Speaker 2: it grows like a moss, like a stone rolling down
Speaker 2: the hill, you know, collecting moss is what I was
Speaker 2: trying to say. So attending to children's anxiety when they're
Speaker 2: young will help them not be afraid of maybe vampires
Speaker 2: are bigfoot or whatever it.
Speaker 1: Is, quicksand quicksand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who wouldn't be afraid of quicksand because especially the
Speaker 2: Never Ending Story ruined my life when it came to
Speaker 2: quicksand and horses.
Speaker 1: When mine was Land of the Lost. Land of the
Speaker 1: Loss was a show that was probably before your time.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of quicksand on that show, and
Speaker 1: slacks scary scary monsters in the caves. Yeah yeah, yeah right.
Speaker 2: So whether it's that show or the one that I
Speaker 2: watched again, it's like it's rooted in. If an adult
Speaker 2: would have told me you're not going to just run
Speaker 2: into quicksand in daily life, I might not have worried.
Speaker 3: So much about it. But I didn't know. I was like,
Speaker 3: oh shit, is there quicksand everywhere? Am I just going
Speaker 3: to fall into a hole and die?
Speaker 1: And then and then it sucks your body down and
Speaker 1: you you've got to keep your arms up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So scary kids need to be attended to people.
Speaker 1: Okay, well listen, I will say this to speaking to kids.
Speaker 1: I will say regarding the valley, I did say Britney
Speaker 1: is not that bright, and it's true, but I do
Speaker 1: think that she is such a great mom to Cruise
Speaker 1: and is providing such a great example for parents of
Speaker 1: children with autism about early intervention and you know, because
Speaker 1: I think that you never know with the child with
Speaker 1: the disability like that, how it's going to go. But
Speaker 1: she's doing everything she can, and I just I worry
Speaker 1: so much of like what's going to happen when like
Speaker 1: Jax is maybe given weekends or I think he sees
Speaker 1: him now but not very often. But I just I
Speaker 1: don't want him to undo all the great that Britney's
Speaker 1: doing well.
Speaker 2: So I want to speak to that because research shows
Speaker 2: that having one good, supportive, attentive adult is enough to
Speaker 2: support a child even when another adult is problematic or
Speaker 2: abusive or things like that. So the point being is
Speaker 2: that what Britney is doing for Cruise is going to
Speaker 2: teach him what true love and safety feels like, so
Speaker 2: he'll notice the difference when he's not experiencing it, and
Speaker 2: that's actually a beautiful thing. And the other thing I
Speaker 2: wanted to say is Britney's sensory room for Cruise. I've
Speaker 2: seen a lot of different psychologists and psychiatrists talk about
Speaker 2: it on social media.
Speaker 3: Not only did that room cost.
Speaker 2: Thousands of dollars, of course, yes, thousands, because the frustrating
Speaker 2: thing about living in this world right now with disabilities
Speaker 2: is that there is so little help financially and little
Speaker 2: access so that when you want to do things like
Speaker 2: people parents of autistic children right now are just like nodding.
Speaker 2: There's not enough resources, there's not enough supports, there's not
Speaker 2: enough places to say where can I get this at
Speaker 2: a discounted price. So fortunately Britney, because of the show,
Speaker 2: can afford that, and I think because all of that
Speaker 2: crews will understand when he's with Jack's the difference between
Speaker 2: healthy and unhealthy, and I have every confidence that he
Speaker 2: will flourish and be just fine.
Speaker 1: I feel like Brittany is the kind of person that
Speaker 1: really will use her you know, platform as a as
Speaker 1: a TV personality for good for children with autism and
Speaker 1: you know, help people get these resources that she's able
Speaker 1: to get. Because to be able to turn a room
Speaker 1: in your house into a sensory room, obviously that is
Speaker 1: very out of reach for most people.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1: But you know, I feel like she's got the wherewithal
Speaker 1: and the empathy in her to try to think of
Speaker 1: ways that she could help other people.
Speaker 3: So that's a fully agree. I fully agree.
Speaker 2: She uses her platform to say, like, Brittany's not that
Speaker 2: person who's like, I'm famous and I'm going to gate
Speaker 2: keep all this information. No, this is one reason I
Speaker 2: love Brittany, because she's like, I'm here, I've done the work,
Speaker 2: I've done the research. Let me help connect other parents
Speaker 2: to children with developmental more developmental needs than anticipated. Because
Speaker 2: the one interesting thing is she posted on social media
Speaker 2: about what it's like, you know, you prepare for a baby.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like like an airline telling you you're
Speaker 2: going to Hawaii, and then you have the baby and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, like you land and they say
Speaker 2: welcome to Holland, and you're like, well, wait, I didn't
Speaker 2: prepare for Holland. I prepared for Hawaii. I packed all
Speaker 2: the clothes for Hawaii. I made all the travel itineraries.
Speaker 2: And you know, it is a really good example of
Speaker 2: how parents have to pivot and adjust in ways that
Speaker 2: are just so complex, full of grief, joy, happiness, anger.
Speaker 2: It's just such a complex experience. And I love the
Speaker 2: way that she talks about it, advocates for it, and
Speaker 2: you know, for that reason, I'm here for Brittany because
Speaker 2: I feel like The Valley is both dark and boring,
Speaker 2: and I don't know how you can accomplish those two
Speaker 2: things simultaneously.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's boring, and I think the reason
Speaker 1: is is because I'm such a die hard, long time
Speaker 1: Vander pump Rolls fan that it's one of those things
Speaker 1: where it could be terrible, and I was still watching
Speaker 1: it because I'm still fascinated, you know, like I'm still
Speaker 1: fascinated by Stossi. She hasn't been on our TV, and
Speaker 1: you know ten years. I can't wait for her new show.
Speaker 1: I may hate it, I doubt it. I'll still watch
Speaker 1: every episode. And then I'm so fascinated by Kristin, and
Speaker 1: the Kristin and Luke thing is so understandable and it's
Speaker 1: so interesting to listen to. I listened to Dylan and
Speaker 1: Pat on their podcast bad TV, and they are two guys.
Speaker 1: Pat has kids that I probably like, maybe five and two,
Speaker 1: and then Dylan has a new baby, so the baby's
Speaker 1: probably not even one. And these are two guys who
Speaker 1: are like, Luke is a fucking idiot. Like they're like,
Speaker 1: and they're usually they're usually they're my friends, but they are,
Speaker 1: you know, they're dudes, you know. But for them even
Speaker 1: them to be like, yeah, dude, your wife just had
Speaker 1: a baby. She doesn't want to fuck you, okay, you know, right,
Speaker 1: two guys to be like the way that they cannot
Speaker 1: get over how Luke can't get it right.
Speaker 2: Because men either you're either a man who gets it
Speaker 2: or a man who doesn't, and that and that's it.
Speaker 3: There's really no in between.
Speaker 2: But to me, the only saving grace of covering that
Speaker 2: show is to talk about postpartum mental health and things
Speaker 2: like that, And in fact, this week I'm having my
Speaker 2: friend Kristin who her driving mom crazy on Instagram and
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about Perry natal so mental health
Speaker 2: issues that happen when women become pregnant, because that's rarely
Speaker 2: talked about, and then how it can get worse postpartum.
Speaker 3: So We're going to talk a.
Speaker 2: Lot about like mental health and postpartum issues and things
Speaker 2: like that, because I don't want to just be mean
Speaker 2: about Luke. I want to really clinically read him to
Speaker 2: help understand the things that he needs.
Speaker 3: To make changes. Like I's he't a bad guy, No,
Speaker 3: he just read a book. Do better.
Speaker 1: He didn't read a book, he had done a quick google.
Speaker 1: I mean, like it's for him to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't even go fishing. You're like, bro, Like, bro,
Speaker 1: what did you think was going to happen when you
Speaker 1: had a baby.
Speaker 2: That is the most egregious thing is that, And I
Speaker 2: keep saying shouting this from the rooftops, is like, when
Speaker 2: you have a child, it changes the entire family dynamic.
Speaker 2: It just does, like in every single way. And so
Speaker 2: for Luke to think that there's like a normal to
Speaker 2: go back to, sir, you don't understand what is happening
Speaker 2: to your life, and that is why Kristen doesn't want
Speaker 2: to have sex with you. You don't get it. This
Speaker 2: dynamic is forever changed. There's no going back to a normal.
Speaker 2: There's no going back. It's creating a new normal with
Speaker 2: your new unit in the new way that.
Speaker 3: You're now living.
Speaker 2: And you agreeing to have this child means that you
Speaker 2: co sign that, that you signed up for that. So
Speaker 2: please don't act like you're confused about why you can't
Speaker 2: fish now, Please don't.
Speaker 1: I just is Oh god, well I again. I enjoyed
Speaker 1: the valley. I enjoy everything about it. I like that
Speaker 1: Zach has toned back his hair. That makes me happy
Speaker 1: he's calmed down. I like how they're all like immediately
Speaker 1: like this Brandon guy obviously just wants to be on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: So I love how when they clock somebody right away, like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you're new, back up right. I love it because.
Speaker 2: He really did come in like Jack's, which is so funny.
Speaker 2: That triggered Britney Mary Payne. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: noticed that, but that party where he came in real hot,
Speaker 2: she said in a confessional and said to him, It's like,
Speaker 2: this is Jack's behavior, and this needs to like you
Speaker 2: need to stay in your lane, like you're my you're
Speaker 2: my boyfriend, not a part of the show, like no
Speaker 2: your role.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was like, ooh.
Speaker 1: Yes, girl, that is Jack's behavior. I didn't even think
Speaker 1: of that that Jackson was always trying to get in
Speaker 1: there and stirred up. And yes, because he was always
Speaker 1: trying to make a show.
Speaker 2: Joh. But to this point, right, if Brittany doesn't understand
Speaker 2: what leads her to pick these people, she's going to
Speaker 2: continue to pick the same people, same versions of the
Speaker 2: same person.
Speaker 1: I hope she's in a lot of therapy because she
Speaker 1: needs it as a you know, as a single mom.
Speaker 1: She needs it. She's on a TV show, she needs it.
Speaker 1: She you know, grew up. I think you know, her
Speaker 1: parents all were like married, you know, many many times
Speaker 1: and things. I think she's got a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: she could unpack. So I do hope Britney's in therapy
Speaker 1: just for herself.
Speaker 3: I hope so too.
Speaker 2: And can I be honest, I understand that or that
Speaker 2: therapy isn't for everyone, but personally, I think most of
Speaker 2: the population should be in therapy. If most of the
Speaker 2: population was in therapy, the world would be in a
Speaker 2: much better place, and personally, I would die. I go
Speaker 2: to therapy every Tuesday, and when my therapist says, i'll
Speaker 2: see you next week, I say, until one of us dies.
Speaker 1: That's uplifting. That's uplifting. Well that's my.
Speaker 2: Lovely dark humor and no, but it's real because like
Speaker 2: for you know, for some people, therapy is a process.
Speaker 3: For me, it's something I'll just be doing forever.
Speaker 2: But either way, I really do think therapy helps us
Speaker 2: be our best self. And the fact that people are,
Speaker 2: you know, opposed to it, I understand why, but it's
Speaker 2: just it's so good.
Speaker 1: People.
Speaker 3: Therapy is great.
Speaker 1: It is. I've been in therapy many many times in
Speaker 1: my life. I'm not currently in therapy, but I mean
Speaker 1: maybe I should be. But I I've used it when
Speaker 1: I felt that I've like needed it, So I think
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with being like, God, I'm really going
Speaker 1: through something. I could use a third party who doesn't
Speaker 1: really know me to hear.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, no, and in fact, to validate you.
Speaker 2: Therapy going in and out. That's perfectly that's what most
Speaker 2: people do. I have complex PTSD, which means that the
Speaker 2: trauma is so persistent and severe that I have to
Speaker 2: I can't take breaks. But most people it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you go when you need it, you take a step
Speaker 2: back when you don't, and I think that's a wonderful
Speaker 2: way to use it. You know you better than anyone
Speaker 2: else knows you, and you know when it's time, and
Speaker 2: so trust your gut.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see. Okay, quickly, I'm going to touch on Atlanta.
Speaker 1: You've been watching Atlanta.
Speaker 3: So I watched the recent episode.
Speaker 2: I haven't watched because again, I got so behind with
Speaker 2: everything at the same time.
Speaker 3: But I did watch the recent episode where.
Speaker 2: Angela and Pinky were like reading each other and getting
Speaker 2: really angry with each other, so that I have I
Speaker 2: watched part of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I've watched every episode. But I'm also sort
Speaker 1: of like doing something else, you know, So I'm not
Speaker 1: just like really locked in. But I have watched every
Speaker 1: episode because I just love Portia and I just love
Speaker 1: Fadra and Phaedra is very over the top and sort
Speaker 1: of knows her role to like bring the funny lines
Speaker 1: and stuff, and I like that about her because she's
Speaker 1: not she's not going too deep and that's fine, I'm
Speaker 1: okay with it. There's Yeah, it's interesting that there's like
Speaker 1: two women on the show that are sort of like,
Speaker 1: I have a failing business and I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: declare bankruptcy, and the other women are like, the other
Speaker 1: women are understanding because of these two women that you
Speaker 1: have to meet a certain financial level to be able
Speaker 1: to claim bankruptcy. And they're all like, I thought you
Speaker 1: could just do it, and they're like, oh no, and
Speaker 1: that's I'm like, listen, it's like the learning channel. I'm
Speaker 1: learning things.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: But also it's like, well, that may be why you're
Speaker 2: in this situation that you're in. If you're not even
Speaker 2: sure about the specifics of the plan that you're thinking
Speaker 2: of taking, right, that just shows like bad planning.
Speaker 1: And though here's a one woman pinky like not like
Speaker 1: literally meeting with her lawyer to plan the bankruptcy and
Speaker 1: has told her friends and still has not told her
Speaker 1: husband exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is so so wild.
Speaker 2: I for me, I speak in Atlanta, like the earliest
Speaker 2: of Atlanta are my like my comfort shows. I speak
Speaker 2: in niniisms. I love a bloop And for me, I
Speaker 2: will be honest. I do find phaedre funny, but I
Speaker 2: can never get over the fact that she lied to
Speaker 2: Portia about Candy and Todd trying to drug and sexually
Speaker 2: assault her. It is wild to me, Like I understand
Speaker 2: that people forget and you know, sometimes we just have
Speaker 2: to move on. But for me, that was such a
Speaker 2: red flag behavior that I just don't trust Phaedra and
Speaker 2: I can never look at her the same again.
Speaker 3: For me, it gave me the ick.
Speaker 1: I agree, But I think that's why she stays very surface,
Speaker 1: because you're probably right. I think she stays very surface
Speaker 1: because she doesn't ever want to find herself in a
Speaker 1: situation where she's got into deep and got in tried
Speaker 1: too many machinations behind the scenes. I think she that's
Speaker 1: why she's always going to stay surface, because she never
Speaker 1: wants to have to be kicked off again. Uh, Shemiah,
Speaker 1: I'm endlessly fascinated. Shamia looks like an entirely different person
Speaker 1: every time we see her. She does every time she's
Speaker 1: on screen. I'm like, is that, Shemiah. I've been watching
Speaker 1: her for ten years the kay Michelle, I don't love her.
Speaker 1: I find her to be performative. I find a little bit,
Speaker 1: like we were saying before, like when you're new on
Speaker 1: a show, maybe just like be new. But I think
Speaker 1: maybe she's doing a little I don't know why she
Speaker 1: Sometimes people just bug me and kay Michelle just kind
Speaker 1: of bugs me. Maybe next season she'll be my favorite person.
Speaker 1: And Drew I also find to be just like never
Speaker 1: never speaks a word of the truth, honest, but if
Speaker 1: the truth it never comes out, yeh, you're.
Speaker 3: Yeah, honesty. I don't know her, that's honesty. I don't
Speaker 3: know her.
Speaker 2: Drew bothers me so much that I think that's another
Speaker 2: reason I don't love the newer iterations like you have
Speaker 2: kind of something with Kimus. Something with Drew triggers me.
Speaker 2: And I really do think that. So I grew up
Speaker 2: with pathological lying and for me that is a sincere
Speaker 2: trigger because I can always tell when people are lying
Speaker 2: or not, like I just can't. I'm like a human
Speaker 2: lie detector. And she is just so full.
Speaker 3: Of it all the time. It bothers me and it
Speaker 3: makes it hard for me to watch.
Speaker 1: Her mm hm. And then she just like lost custody
Speaker 1: of her kids, like like oh right, that's awful, Like
Speaker 1: what And I think it's like a temporary thing because
Speaker 1: the kids were missing a lot of school when they
Speaker 1: were in her care. But that's also not great. I
Speaker 1: don't want to like speak on that too much because
Speaker 1: I don't know. But then you saw this past episode
Speaker 1: with Kelly really crying about her ex dragging their kids
Speaker 1: into the news, and then she goes and then he says,
Speaker 1: I can't film with them, but he's out there putting
Speaker 1: their business where people wouldn't have known any of this,
Speaker 1: and they didn't. They don't have to be a I
Speaker 1: don't know. You just yeah, speak of speaking of like
Speaker 1: dark but also inulation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. I want
Speaker 1: to close with Rhode Island. Now. I have said for
Speaker 1: the past three or four weeks on here that I
Speaker 1: tried to watch it. I couldn't understand it because I
Speaker 1: couldn't understand the faces of the people and how everybody
Speaker 1: has the copy cut, paste repeat face. Yeah, let me
Speaker 1: tell you what I did last night, because guys, I'm
Speaker 1: a professional and I'm a journalist, and I do the
Speaker 1: work and I want to be I want to be
Speaker 1: in Rhode Island. I was just mentally unable to get
Speaker 1: there because I knew of the work it would require
Speaker 1: for me to get on board. So last night, I
Speaker 1: created a document that is right here on my screen
Speaker 1: that I'm wondering for people that are watching. If I
Speaker 1: can show it. I don't know. I love you, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I can share my screen because it's
Speaker 1: a different it's a different Google. I created a document,
Speaker 1: and here's what I did. I went and got to
Speaker 1: Instagram and I cut everybody's face out of the promo
Speaker 1: shot and put it in this document, and then next
Speaker 1: to it, I wrote notes. Okay, here, here are my notes.
Speaker 1: I wish I could. I can't share the screen when
Speaker 1: it's not because I have a good different Google tavern.
Speaker 1: But I have Alicia, and I've got her face zoomed in,
Speaker 1: and I said a little bit of a I have
Speaker 1: to say, I have to do this for my own
Speaker 1: knowledge of what they look like, because they look so
Speaker 1: much alike. So I wrote a longer Horsey face, not
Speaker 1: tons of makeup with with Billy but not married one daughter. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what I wrote. Okay, Liz looks like a weathered Dolores,
Speaker 1: not weathered married to Gary. Yet they're somehow related. He
Speaker 1: has three daughters. They own a cannabis disensory. Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: it's Kelsey I have has an older boyfriend. Is Polly
Speaker 1: amer is with someone else when in Miami. Lives in
Speaker 1: a sixteen thousand square foot house alone. She met him
Speaker 1: at nineteen, She's now thirty. She knows he won't change.
Speaker 1: She was Miss Rhode Island also does hair. Yes, Kelsey,
Speaker 1: I'm not having a problem with her face. Do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, I recognize it instantly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Different, It's different from some of the other ladies.
Speaker 1: Find I find Kelsey and Rosie. At first I was confused,
Speaker 1: but now I've got it because I find Kelsey's features
Speaker 1: are a little sharper. Okay, I'm just I'm literally putting
Speaker 1: this out as a PSA for people who are also
Speaker 1: having struggles with their matching faces.
Speaker 3: I love this Mary.
Speaker 1: Okay, Joe Ellen. Okay, Joe Ellen. Round face, super easy
Speaker 1: right away. Her face is round. The other ladies don't
Speaker 1: have this round face. And I put maybe bitchy question
Speaker 1: Mark married. Her sister's boyfriend is best friends with Kelsey,
Speaker 1: and Liz has three kids aged ten, three and one
Speaker 1: works in aesthetic sales and up. But duh, because look
Speaker 1: at her face. So Joe Ellen also, I would be
Speaker 1: willing to bet that Joe Ellen does not hyphenate her name.
Speaker 1: She only did that for the but on the show
Speaker 1: it says Joe Ellen with the dash, right, And because
Speaker 1: I'm so attuned to double names, I bet that she
Speaker 1: did the dash for the show so people wouldn't call
Speaker 1: her Joe Joe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, spot I, spot on. I think you're right
Speaker 3: about that.
Speaker 1: Rosie I have looks a little like Kate Middleton. Okay,
Speaker 1: because I was getting Rosie and Kelsey confused.
Speaker 2: You know what, I never saw that, but now I
Speaker 2: cannot unsee it.
Speaker 1: Okay because she to me and Kelsey just like Kelsey's
Speaker 1: features are a little sharper and Rosie's are a little
Speaker 1: more Kate Middleton ish. And then I says, see it
Speaker 1: has a pink jeep, former TV reporter, married to Rich
Speaker 1: for one year, and he's a Frank Sinatra impersonator slash singer. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: we got two more. We've got Ashley I. I just
Speaker 1: said she's recognizable to me long nose, because that's how
Speaker 1: Ashley I so in my mind, I means a long
Speaker 1: nose Ashley I when she comes on the screen married
Speaker 1: to Jared husband has a coffee shop. Okay. Rula now
Speaker 1: because Rula didn't come to us immediately. She's easier. She
Speaker 1: is a thin tan uh Liz, and Liz is already
Speaker 1: thin and tan. Okay, her husband has the affair. Joellen
Speaker 1: exposed her husband's affair. She's married to Brian. He's a
Speaker 1: real piece of shit. Okay, those are those and I
Speaker 1: have photos. So last night when I because I've watched
Speaker 1: one and two, but I had to give up because
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know these faces. So I
Speaker 1: started over with one, completely over with my notes. It
Speaker 1: was consulting as I was. I was locked in up
Speaker 1: at my phone away cucked in.
Speaker 2: Can I tell you I think for me and what
Speaker 2: I'm hearing, and this is just a purely sociological observation, Okay,
Speaker 2: I think for most people. Episode three is where we
Speaker 2: got in. Okay, That's how I felt, and that's almost
Speaker 2: what I'm hearing from you. One and two it's like
Speaker 2: they're new. Liz is walking her cat. You look like Dolores,
Speaker 2: but you're not Dolores.
Speaker 1: I'm so saw Liz and Alicia had the same house.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, we saw that house, right, gorgeous, doc,
Speaker 1: But then Alicia doesn't have the dock she has a
Speaker 1: small pool. But then I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's two different people, right.
Speaker 2: So I think that it's when like, this is how
Speaker 2: we all felt about Salt Lake City. Remember when we
Speaker 2: couldn't tell Lisa and Meredith apart and now clearing so different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're different.
Speaker 3: But I think it's just like the growing pains that
Speaker 3: comes with a new franchise. It's people we don't know.
Speaker 3: We have to get to know, we have to tell
Speaker 3: them apart, we have to buy into their stories. And
Speaker 3: I swear to you.
Speaker 2: Episode three is where I locked in and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: this franchise is.
Speaker 3: Great, it's fresh. It's these women.
Speaker 2: Like the most recent episode of it was like psychological
Speaker 2: cinema where they're all basically sharing things about themselves that
Speaker 2: it was like a psychological buffet.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, so this is why she does this,
Speaker 3: and this is why she does this.
Speaker 2: Like Alicia, I'm like, oh, so her obsession with dolls
Speaker 2: is because she felt like her childhood was taken away
Speaker 2: from her her home and her sense of safety was removed,
Speaker 2: and so now these dolls gives her a sense of
Speaker 2: childhood whimsy and the fact that she won't play with
Speaker 2: any of them shows that it's mostly about control check.
Speaker 3: And then I just did that with literally every single
Speaker 3: one of the women, and I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: this is amazing. I'm so into this. It's so good.
Speaker 1: So I just finished episode five and I was going
Speaker 1: to watch episode six this morning, and then I got distracted.
Speaker 1: But because I was running six minutes like to this
Speaker 1: was like we were just walking around. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's time to record, and I forgot
Speaker 1: watched episode six. But so I've watched up to episode five. Okay,
Speaker 1: I guess in episode six Kelsey and the Sugar Daddy breakup. Yes,
Speaker 1: that is what it seems like.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's what I was talking about, which it
Speaker 2: makes sense if you haven't seen that. Liz, they went
Speaker 2: to Newport and they did this dinner where Liz had
Speaker 2: everyone wearing a mask that kind of like represented some
Speaker 2: of their issues or the things that they struggle with,
Speaker 2: and then everyone went around the table and talked about
Speaker 2: vulnerable things about like Joellen talked about having a very
Speaker 2: traumatic childhood, like her mom not giving her the love
Speaker 2: that she needs and still not to this day, and
Speaker 2: her sister being the favorite, and so it like everyone
Speaker 2: explained something about themselves that immediately helped me and I
Speaker 2: think other people to clock some of these things about
Speaker 2: these women that we still haven't gotten from a season
Speaker 2: fifteen real house size of Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3: I'm being so serious.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, well I am. At the end
Speaker 1: of episode five was when they're at the polo match
Speaker 1: and you know, literally they're like this guy, Brian.
Speaker 3: The whole like, oh, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know where my ring is, and then they the production
Speaker 1: goes thing and shows him two hours earlier he had
Speaker 1: it on, so obviously he went somewhere and to get
Speaker 1: off in the car and forgot to put it back on.
Speaker 1: And let me tell you something. If I was Rula,
Speaker 1: I would be like, why all of a sudden did
Speaker 1: you have your ring on it? Now you don't. You
Speaker 1: didn't shell your son's hair in that time period we
Speaker 1: were gone.
Speaker 3: Rula knows, but she's so.
Speaker 2: I believe that Rula is in serious denial, which is
Speaker 2: a real psychological concept because it's like, so people in
Speaker 2: denial and when they're avoiding reality, Like I think Rula
Speaker 2: is avoiding things because if she pulls at this thread,
Speaker 2: her whole life will unravel and emotionally and mentally.
Speaker 3: She is not ready for that.
Speaker 1: She's probably like him so hard she is.
Speaker 2: But guess what, Remember how I talked about when people
Speaker 2: in toxic relationships they all become sick. Well, this is
Speaker 2: the way that Rula is sick. She is giving this
Speaker 2: man grace where he is clearly, Brian, let me be clear,
Speaker 2: this man has a literal solar system of red flags
Speaker 2: revolving around him at all times.
Speaker 1: Okay, I just got such a visual.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, thank you, literally, and that's the visual I want.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm dressing up as Halloween, Bryan, as a
Speaker 2: solar system.
Speaker 3: Of red flags.
Speaker 2: That is literally my Halloween costume, because that is the
Speaker 2: most horrifying thing I could ever see. This man reminds
Speaker 2: me of Jojudyce and Louis ruelas like a mix of them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I he's like hybrid terrible and I
Speaker 2: just can't do it. But Rula is so in denial,
Speaker 2: I believe, because she doesn't want to pull out that
Speaker 2: thread of her life, which is sad, because she.
Speaker 3: Deserves it better.
Speaker 1: It was so bad, it was so hard to watch it.
Speaker 1: That polo match where he's like nope, I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about this on camera, and he's trying to take his
Speaker 1: mic off and all this stuff. And then even though
Speaker 1: he takes his mic off, he still hangs around to
Speaker 1: see what everybody's saying, Like he doesn't take go, get
Speaker 1: in a car, right, and he keeps trying to say
Speaker 1: to her, let's go, we're leaving, let's go, and then
Speaker 1: she's still like wait a second, wait a second, wait
Speaker 1: a second. And I love how Joellen is like, this
Speaker 1: is not going to be on me because the information
Speaker 1: keeps coming to me, and I think you deserve to know.
Speaker 1: And then you then you sort of get into the
Speaker 1: realm of at what point do you just let your
Speaker 1: friend make their own decision here? Because she's been given
Speaker 1: the information, she doesn't want to accept that it's ongoing.
Speaker 1: It would take nothing for her to figure it out.
Speaker 1: This woman is posting him on social media in real time.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, she's literally being spoon fed receipts and she's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know them, I don't know her, I don't
Speaker 2: know the receipts.
Speaker 3: I don't know any of this.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, that's yeah, that's very sad.
Speaker 2: But to your point, I think Joellen was being a
Speaker 2: girl's girl by saying, hey, you're like, like we talked
Speaker 2: about responsible.
Speaker 3: Concern when it comes to addiction.
Speaker 2: This is kind of the same thing where it's like
Speaker 2: this man that you are defending is doing you so dirty.
Speaker 2: But at a point, Joellen has to understand that Rula
Speaker 2: is committed to her denial and she just needs to
Speaker 2: let it go because what's happening is Joellen is getting
Speaker 2: herself into this conflict and creating conflict for herself trying
Speaker 2: to help her friend, and so for her health and sanity,
Speaker 2: she needs to take a step back.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, well, I did love when Joellen walked
Speaker 1: up to Brian because he was talking to somebody else
Speaker 1: and she walked up and she goes, oh, are you
Speaker 1: just going Instagram listen?
Speaker 3: Joellen?
Speaker 2: What I can appreciate about her is the fact that
Speaker 2: she is a sensitive soul who wasn't given and the
Speaker 2: love that she needs as a child.
Speaker 3: So what happens when you have people like.
Speaker 2: That is they'll be the sweetest, like like Sammy Sweetheart
Speaker 2: from Jersey Shore, the sweetest bitch you'll ever meet. That's
Speaker 2: those type of people where she really has a good heart,
Speaker 2: but also she'll she'll really call it out and have
Speaker 2: no problem with confronting someone if she feels like she's
Speaker 2: being mishurt or misunderstood. And I think that's all because
Speaker 2: of her childhood trauma, and it makes for a very
Speaker 2: interesting reality TV personality. I'm here for Joe Ellen.
Speaker 1: Well, everybody keeps saying, like, you know, Rhode Island, Rhode Island,
Speaker 1: and I was like, it's sort of like the Summerhouse name.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know, but like you said about Ladies
Speaker 1: in London, like I can't because you know, in addition
Speaker 1: to all the Bravo I watch really just for fun,
Speaker 1: just to be able to do this on Thursdays, all
Speaker 1: the TLC you have to watch is a solid eight
Speaker 1: hours a week, plus another ten hours of work on
Speaker 1: top of that, plus all the recording and you know, life.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I can't fit it in because I
Speaker 1: don't understand their faces. So I finally got I got
Speaker 1: around at it. I got around to it. I did it.
Speaker 1: I did it, and now I'm in.
Speaker 2: People forget that about you. That the ninety day TLC stuff.
Speaker 2: Literally the reason why I don't cover that is because
Speaker 2: that is too much time that I don't have because
Speaker 2: it's such a commitment. So I think everyone needs to
Speaker 2: give you some grace because yeah, Bravo.
Speaker 3: And the ninety day stuff, ooh, not for the faint
Speaker 3: of heart.
Speaker 1: It is a it is a a as a meshing,
Speaker 1: and it's so funny because people will be like if
Speaker 1: they're big, big TLC, people like I want to dip
Speaker 1: into Bravo, but like where to start. I'm always like
Speaker 1: Real House is in New York season one. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'll let come back to me in six months when
Speaker 1: you're done with that and we'll talk. But really, when
Speaker 1: I tell you all of this stuff we're talking about
Speaker 1: and you were just saying about them all sitting around
Speaker 1: sharing something really that's one of the first episodes of
Speaker 1: Ladies of London where they go to a winery and
Speaker 1: the one girl miss and he was Missy but it's
Speaker 1: got a thing on the end, so I was like, really, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: she's like Scandinavian or something. I don't know. She's a
Speaker 1: gorgeous model who just likes to have her boobs out
Speaker 1: and she sits down and says, I want to go
Speaker 1: around the table and everybody tell one thing about because
Speaker 1: they all do know each other, but some of them
Speaker 1: less than others. Some of them have twenty year friendships,
Speaker 1: some of them only know each other for a year
Speaker 1: or whatever. So she's sort of doing like, because we're
Speaker 1: on this show, let's go around because we're all we're
Speaker 1: all new. And then everybody kind of tells something like, oh,
Speaker 1: I had a sister that died or had a brother, this,
Speaker 1: that and the other. And that's when Kimmy's like, well,
Speaker 1: I grew up in Haiti, and I think, who wants
Speaker 1: to hear everyone's sob stories? This is horrible. Give me
Speaker 1: a drink. Oh, And then you're like and then she
Speaker 1: gets in trouble for not want not only not wanting
Speaker 1: to hear anybody's bullshit, but then sort of mocking it. Right,
Speaker 1: and here's what I want to learn a little some
Speaker 1: about everybody as you go around the table, and you're like,
Speaker 1: thank you, now, we know right.
Speaker 2: Yes, but people like her the reason they do that
Speaker 2: is because they are intolerant of their own emotions. Yes,
Speaker 2: people who are intolerant of our own emotions are not
Speaker 2: going to be able to tolerate others. So it's completely
Speaker 2: her issue, but it is so hurtful and invalidating and
Speaker 2: that personally would trigger me. I could not I could
Speaker 2: not be around someone like that, Like, if you don't
Speaker 2: understand your own feelings, I have no time for you.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think you've convinced me to watch this show.
Speaker 2: Especially now that I'm getting some help, I might be
Speaker 2: able to do a little bit more.
Speaker 3: And so maybe we can talk Ladies of London on
Speaker 3: a future pod.
Speaker 1: No we are, Oh we are. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yes, yes, ma'am, Yes, ma'am, we are.
Speaker 1: And so that's your assignment. And I mean you might
Speaker 1: finish it in like four or five days. I mean
Speaker 1: it is great, and the outfits and the London of
Speaker 1: it all. You're just gonna and there's a place in there.
Speaker 1: This one cast member, her name is Emma. She is
Speaker 1: Lady Emma, the Marchioness of Bath. Okay, she is one
Speaker 1: step below the royal family. She's the aristocracy. Okay. She
Speaker 1: is the first black woman to be in the aristocracy.
Speaker 1: Not Megan markele Megan Markell was actually monarchy, not aristocracy.
Speaker 1: Her the estate that she is the Marchioness a Bath
Speaker 1: of is long Lead where sort of looks like Downton
Speaker 1: Abbey Times a million. It is like forty zillion acres
Speaker 1: in the middle of wherever, and it is the like
Speaker 1: the number two visited place in London, like after the
Speaker 1: Tower of London.
Speaker 3: Wow. So it's her fascinating.
Speaker 1: It's her husband's family's estate that they open to the public,
Speaker 1: you know, for tours, and then her husband's grandfather in
Speaker 1: the sixties built a safari park on it, which people
Speaker 1: poo pooed because that's just so like, you don't do this, darling,
Speaker 1: But it is like the it was the first safari
Speaker 1: park outside of Africa ever built, and they do all
Speaker 1: this research and all this stuff there. So it's fascinating
Speaker 1: because she lives there part of the time and lives
Speaker 1: in London part of the time. But it's a tourist site,
Speaker 1: so she'll be like riding your bike and there's like
Speaker 1: tourists touring the gardens. And and then there's one particular
Speaker 1: girl that they get to go there on the show,
Speaker 1: which Andy said was a huge feat. Like Andy's like
Speaker 1: they don't allow filming there, right, and they never filmed inside,
Speaker 1: but it was a huge feat to be able to
Speaker 1: film there. And the one girl is driving up and
Speaker 1: like doing videos on her iPhone like outside of the window,
Speaker 1: like any of us would do. And she says she
Speaker 1: can remember going there as a child on like a
Speaker 1: school field trip to Long Lead and now she's going
Speaker 1: as a guest, and it's all very like you see, like, oh,
Speaker 1: Lottie is seeing this through, like I can't believe I'm
Speaker 1: actually here as a guest, Like I grew up as
Speaker 1: this child who could have never imagined.
Speaker 2: You know, look at how far I've come looking who
Speaker 2: would have thought? And you know, that's such a good
Speaker 2: example for you know, when you're struggling with mental.
Speaker 3: Health, keeping going is so.
Speaker 2: Important because you never know what's on the other side
Speaker 2: of tough times and challenges, and you know, our wildest
Speaker 2: dreams can come true.
Speaker 3: So that's a great that's a great example of that.
Speaker 1: You're gonna love every episode. I'm so excited.
Speaker 3: I'm excited too.
Speaker 1: And talked about Martha and you're gonna when you see
Speaker 1: I won't even I'm not gonna tell you about Martha
Speaker 1: because I want you to go in fresh eyes with Martha.
Speaker 1: Martha like did a like a like and a high
Speaker 1: on a post that I did and oh and now
Speaker 1: I was like, well, now Martha and are best friends.
Speaker 2: I love when people come in and like my posts
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, you know me, okay, well that's interesting.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Martha was a watch What Happens Live and she sort
Speaker 1: of has, like a lot of many times in her life,
Speaker 1: rags to riches, rags. She's she's the Sonya Morgan of
Speaker 1: the show Oh Okay, and she less less slutty, a
Speaker 1: non slutty Sonya Morgan. And she Andy asked her like,
Speaker 1: how do you feel like with all this love and
Speaker 1: everything and it's kind of like your rags to riches
Speaker 1: and you're on your way back up And she's like, well,
Speaker 1: I have some things in the works, like I don't
Speaker 1: have to check in my hand, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and he goes, well, how has this been? She goes, Oh,
Speaker 1: I've loved every minute. Are you kidding me? She goes,
Speaker 1: she goes, to go through your life like this and
Speaker 1: then you have five hundred people all day, DM me
Speaker 1: you telling you you're fabulous? She was. She was just wonderful,
Speaker 1: And I was like, thank you for being honest and
Speaker 1: not being like, oh, it's been crazy, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: and she's like, are you kidding me? I love it.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I mean that is that's amazing. I
Speaker 3: really am.
Speaker 2: Now you've piqued my interest. I am very excited to
Speaker 2: watch you've done it.
Speaker 1: Didn't even tell you, didn't even tell you about Micah
Speaker 1: the American. Okay, there's another one.
Speaker 3: My god, I guess it's huge.
Speaker 1: What we did though, the first episode, Keisha and I did.
Speaker 1: We put the cast photo up and we were like, blindly,
Speaker 1: let's name everybody, because you know, when you first do it,
Speaker 1: you know then when you see them, they all look
Speaker 1: very different. They don't all have the same face. They
Speaker 1: look very different, but you're trying. When they come on
Speaker 1: the screen, like oh, and almost everybody's name starts with
Speaker 1: an M. So oh that's Micah, Martha, Missy Mark, You're
Speaker 1: like oh. And then another friend comes in and her
Speaker 1: name is like Melody, and then it's like the husband's
Speaker 1: name is Marco and this you know, you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: did they not have another letter in England? Gee? Guess what?
Speaker 2: I think they need Mary Payne and Melissa I'd gone.
Speaker 3: To London if they If.
Speaker 1: Y'all need a therapist, call me, Oh they need a therapist. Okay,
Speaker 1: tell everybody about your podcast. What you're covering. You say
Speaker 1: you're doing some new things, so let's hear about it.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you. So my podcast is free and available everywhere.
Speaker 2: It comes out every Tuesday. However, because I've just dove
Speaker 2: in and hired someone to do things, I'm going to
Speaker 2: be starting doing more than one episode a week. With
Speaker 2: my chronic health conditions and all, I'm taking care of
Speaker 2: my ninety eight year grandfather with dementia.
Speaker 3: It's been a real disaster.
Speaker 2: But I am very excited for the first time in
Speaker 2: my life that my life circumstances aren't going to interrupt
Speaker 2: this passion and growing thing that I'm doing. Yes, so, yeah,
Speaker 2: So I am going to I cover basically everything on Bravo,
Speaker 2: with some exceptions like I haven't been covering Atlanta or
Speaker 2: Ladies of London. I try to just do it based
Speaker 2: on my authentic interest or what I feel like is
Speaker 2: translatable to social media, because the fact is what I
Speaker 2: do isn't for everyone. Like the posts that I write,
Speaker 2: it's a lot of reading, don't I don't do that
Speaker 2: whole Mel Robbins thing of like cutting out the most
Speaker 2: important parts of psychology to do like social media bite
Speaker 2: sized clips. I'm just never going to sell my soul
Speaker 2: for that. So but it's been a great community of people.
Speaker 2: So please come to on Instagram at your bish therapist
Speaker 2: you can see my Clinical Interpretations podcast will be anywhere
Speaker 2: from one to three times now per week, well very
Speaker 2: from week to week. Okay, yep, and right now covering well,
Speaker 2: Summerhouse is my biggest It's like, that's like my biggest
Speaker 2: thing right now. Southern Hospitality has been popping off Rory
Speaker 2: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3: I mean, I cover so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, is Rory Real House has Rhode Island. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I didn't even know because I'm not
Speaker 1: caught up. I didn't know I'm supposed to be say Rory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Rory girl, Rory. Now you know. It's okay.
Speaker 3: We're all new to this. Okay, no shame in your game.
Speaker 3: It's okay.
Speaker 1: I had to make a spreadsheet in order to get it.
Speaker 3: I just love this so much.
Speaker 1: I just wish so bad that I could have shown
Speaker 1: my spreadsheet. But everybody that knows how much I love
Speaker 1: a spreadsheet can get it, can grasp that it was
Speaker 1: a headshot and then a blurb, and doing that is
Speaker 1: what visually helped me understand their faces.
Speaker 3: Right, because I can tell you're a visual learner. I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm an auditory learner, so I recognize the sounds of
Speaker 2: their voices. Faces to me mean absolutely like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I think it is interesting, like based on your
Speaker 2: reaction to that, like there's you know, there's different types
Speaker 2: of learning, and so you're more visual. I'm more auditory,
Speaker 2: and I love so what you're doing. My therapist would
Speaker 2: call a reasonable accommodation, meaning when you're having trouble and
Speaker 2: you're confused or you need to do something, you find
Speaker 2: a way to accommodate that. And your spreadsheet is a
Speaker 2: reasonable accommodation. I think you should post it on social media,
Speaker 2: like some clips of it.
Speaker 3: I think people would love that, or.
Speaker 1: I might take out like long horsey face, that's not nice.
Speaker 1: But for me, that is what differentiate Alicia's face from
Speaker 1: everyone else's face. So I had to when she came
Speaker 1: on the screen, I could go, oh, yeah, like Ashley.
Speaker 1: I what helped me was that it's Ashley I and
Speaker 1: the eye to me looked like her long nose, So
Speaker 1: like that helps me. I do that all the time
Speaker 1: with my son when he was when he was younger
Speaker 1: in school and trying to learn things, and I'd say, okay,
Speaker 1: you could remember this and this, and it was like
Speaker 1: a word association, right, like it starts with this and
Speaker 1: so does this right. It's cool. You know it's my
Speaker 1: childhood ADHD trying to find a way to get things
Speaker 1: to fire together.
Speaker 3: No, literally, And that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like our brains, you know, whether it's neurodivergence ADHD, mental
Speaker 2: health issue, whatever it is, we need to do things
Speaker 2: to help our brain, give it a little boost sometimes.
Speaker 2: So whatever we have to do, I think that's a
Speaker 2: great example.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just that's how I used to try to
Speaker 1: remember things all the time for school, like word association
Speaker 1: between two things, and now I do it with an
Speaker 1: eye looking like a long nose. Okay, okay, everybody make
Speaker 1: sure you're following Melissa. It's I your bish therapist. You
Speaker 1: know her, you love her. You first met her with
Speaker 1: Amy Phillips and now look at her, look at her
Speaker 1: popping off doing her thing. You got to follow her
Speaker 1: on social media because she does break down. It is
Speaker 1: super super interesting, Like you talk about things like Brittany,
Speaker 1: like you can't just do like ye, she's not that bright,
Speaker 1: but she's a good mom. No, there's a lot, there's
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot, there's so much there. Why does
Speaker 1: she pick these guys? You know? And I and again
Speaker 1: like you and I said, I think she's gonna do
Speaker 1: so much good for her community. And so that's what
Speaker 1: Melissa really digs into. That's why I love having her
Speaker 1: owner show. And if you listen, in a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on your bish therapist and you can
Speaker 1: hear me there and maybe by then she will have
Speaker 1: watched Ladies of London.
Speaker 3: TVD, TBD.
Speaker 2: But you know what, it's good for me to put
Speaker 2: it in my brain. Okay, it'll be a goal.
Speaker 3: It'll be a goal.
Speaker 1: I can do that. And everybody please make sure you're
Speaker 1: following me at Pink Shade Pod on Instagram and then
Speaker 1: there's a link there to the YouTube, the TikTok, the
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, all the things. And like
Speaker 1: I say all the time, if there's something you want
Speaker 1: to do for a podcast and you're like, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't want to subscribe, I don't have the money. You
Speaker 1: just go and subscribe to a podcast and leave a
Speaker 1: five star review, subscribe to a YouTube, subscribe to an Instagram.
Speaker 1: All that stuff is free, and it actually really helps
Speaker 1: get our podcast into the eyes and the ears of
Speaker 1: other people, and that is how we keep it going. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's my PSA for the day. All right, thank you
Speaker 1: bye
Speaker 3: Thank you bye,