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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to season three

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episodes thirty three maybe thirty four of Clips in Dim.

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I am Duck Blackler, joined by Adam Oslin and the

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Void will Updike in his apartment. We're gonna talk kind

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of the ramifications of what happened in that Rockets game,

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the Chahi article that came out from Lot Murray today,

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as well as just to look at the tent standings

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in the Western Conference. If you're watching us, thank you

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so much. If you'd like to subscribe and watch us,

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you can do that at YouTube dot com slash at

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Clippers podcast, and you can listen to us anywhere you

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find pods. Before we get into all that, if you're

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watching this, you're definitely wondering, Adam, how are you doing

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in wherever you are, which could be anywhere? And why

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are you there?

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Speaker 2: Totally fine, everything's good, guys.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean?

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Speaker 2: So I'm not a lie out of talk as loud

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as I typically do for a podcast or a podcast,

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And uh so I went across the street and I'm

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in my parked car near a park in an undisclosed

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location in Burbank. Try to get through this right now,

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as the neighbors have complained about me a few different times.

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Speaker 1: I think it's more on the neighbors. If I'm being honest,

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I don't think it's your fault at all. Would be

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how I feel about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's multiple of them and only one Amon will.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing today? I'm doing I'm doing pretty good.

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All right. We got pretty collaboration and potting from the car.

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We have a wide spectrum. I hope everyone's okay. I'm

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feeling little into the weather. There's a bug going around.

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We'll get into all the health stuff later. We know

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you come here for our for our health tips, but

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we wanted to talk about the game against the Rockets

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last night, which I did feel was winnable despite the injuries.

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As that game went on, it felt like there was

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chances for the Clippers to make something happen. But this

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game started with no James Harden, no Terence Man who

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is out long term, Amir hurt his shoulder and warm ups,

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and then the Clippers lost Derek Jones Junior after twelve

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minutes due to some hamstring tightness. So I have a

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what went well? What wrong? Section? But if you guys

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don't lie, I think we could just jump right into

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the what went wrong? Will what's your level of concern

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for these injuries that are popping up right now?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean I I anytime I hear hamstring, I'm

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I'm immediately sort of on edge. I guess tightness is

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certainly just one thing that's not a full blown injury yet.

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Speaker 1: But he.

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Speaker 3: Something like this was bound to happen, you know, with

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the with with how thin not only the margins are,

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but the rotation is, you're gonna miss some guys. I guess,

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I you know, in what went right? While talking about

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what went wrong, at least this one was still like

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within an arm's reach, because if you were to look

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at this injury report coming into this, you'd be like,

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all right, well there's no shot, Like I don't need

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to turn the TV on for this one.

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Speaker 1: Turn his TV off? Is what you're saying. Yes, And

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with their schedule, they played so many games, they had

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the most you know, one day rests of like any

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team up until this point, Adam, where are you at?

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Is this just maybe maybe they just held Derk Jones

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Junior out because we have so much rest. Let's just

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kind of let this one go. Let him get fully good.

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They don't play again until Friday. What's your level of

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concern with these injuries popping up?

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Speaker 2: Well, we just didn't really get anything specific post game

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from coach Lou about Amir Coffee, you or Derek Jones Junior. Yeah,

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I'm guessing they're not significant injuries. I'm hoping that's the case.

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And it was just one of those games where Coach

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lu called it they got some knick knacks, they got

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some some little thing is going on right now, and

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that's how he kind of described what was going on

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with James Harden. At least he said that's a Carlo

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on the pregame show. And so I think this is

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more the same where if you're dinged up at all,

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just stay out so you don't exacerbate the injury make

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it any worse. Because you got four days off after

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this and we have a chance to get healthy and

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get right and hopefully ge Kwi Leonard back a little

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bit more on that in a little bit here. But

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I think it was just them being overly cautious, that's

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my guess. And yeah, I felt like they competed and

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their identity stayed intact even with all the guys missing

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in that game totally.

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Speaker 1: The emir one was the weirdest because it was just

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like he hurt his shoulder and warm ups and you're

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kind of like, okay, I don't know how that came

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done too hard man, right, Like I'm like, were they

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doing the pregame dunk contest and it went a right,

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I don't know, but they lost. You know, for a

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team lacking size on three point shooting, they lost two

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guys who brought both those things. But this team still fought.

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Chris Dunn was insane, five steals, Like, we still force turnovers,

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and they only turned the ball over seven times against

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the Rockets, which is like gotta be one of the

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lower times that that's happened for a team playing the

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Rockets this season.

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Speaker 2: I was told post game by a guy that why

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won't you talk about a visa zoobas you're such an apologist,

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talk about all the turnovers he had? So I go

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to the box score. He had zero.

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Speaker 1: Come on, man, those numbers, those numbers lie, dude.

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Speaker 3: Everyone knows how many spiritual turnovers though, you know, it's

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kind of like a screen assist, but it's it's more

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of a vibe based turnover.

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Speaker 1: The bottom of There was.

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Speaker 2: Just one stretch that kind of lost in that game,

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and it was the end of the second quarter with

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that twelve to two run by the Houston Rockets, where

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they just had a couple minutes where they wasn't they

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weren't as focused, they weren't as tight out there, they

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weren't as connected, and that really was the game.

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Speaker 1: It felt kind of like because they were down FFV

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and Eason he was, they weren't in there. So it

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almost felt like that was kind of when because Udoka

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has been furious at the Rockets, is what the broadcast

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was telling us, right like, he called the team out

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for being soft, like all this stuff. I wonder if

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part of that was then being like, all right, we'll

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decide to play better than the Clippers are now, because Adam,

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you've talked about that, sometimes it feels like teams that

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are maybe a little better on paper it can kind

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of sometimes decide to like lean. But we had that

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random Bones Highland heater that almost like won this game

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for us, which opened up Bones had twenty two points

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five to ten from three. Don't think it's a stretch

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to say it's by far the best he's looked all

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season for the Clippers.

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Speaker 2: It got into the connection between him getting real minutes

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and not just garbage time, and Bones seemingly caring more

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when he's not just getting throwaway minutes out there.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy, Adam. It got the debate going on Clippers Twitter.

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And I don't know if this is I don't. I

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have my own thoughts on if it should happen, but

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will you got to imagine that the chances of Bones

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Highland taking KPJ's spot in the rotation are pretty damn low.

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great performance, but like.

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Speaker 3: Near Neil Man, it's near nil, like I and we're not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not crazy pro KPJ. This is just in the

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hierarchy of how I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, this is just for anyone who has eyes and

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has been watching the season. Like KPJ is cemented in

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this rotation, Bones is not. I mean, Bones gonna have

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a forty point game, and I still don't think he's

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Speaker 1: It's it's just that.

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Speaker 3: The A A I mean, I'm not saying that he's

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necessarily just getting a bad role you know, we know

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that there have been issues internally, we know that he

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is not quite developed in the way that they were

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hoping hoping him to as like a personality and on

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court fit, he hasn't developed any level of consistency, which

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when you're talking about KPJ's consistency being miles ahead of yours,

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you have an issue, like you have an issue trying

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to get into this trying to get into this rotation.

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So I love what Bones is doing, would love for

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the skeleton key to you know, open a few walks,

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get the clippers out of a few jams. I just

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I don't see it happening in any sort of regular

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way with any sort of or any sort of rotation

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minutes being rewarded.

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Speaker 2: Because of this performance, Bones is in a darker place

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with this coaching staff that I am currently. There's a

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better chance I could actually do a podcast from my

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place than Bones Highland starts getting consistent minutes out there.

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I think the writing's on the wall. I wouldn't be

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shocked if by December fifteenth they're around there when more

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contracts open up. As we have talked about, the Bones

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Island and PJ. Tucker get moved and I mean KPJ

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played the most minutes of anybody out there. Last night

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he played thirty seven. He got the start without James Harden,

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something I thought would happen. But it's still because of

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the size with KPJ and just him having the advantage

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there physically and being a better rebounder.

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Speaker 1: And like that's what gets me is I'm like, guys, like,

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let's not pretend that Bones is doing anything other than

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putting the ball in the hoop. Great scoring, but like he.

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Speaker 2: Only does get touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: And and like I mean that, you know that has

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been like a kind of our biggest complaint really on KPJ. Right,

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Like he's kind of a ball stopper. He's he's really

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out there looking for his own shot. But on the

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plus side, you know, still he was still a passable defender,

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even like even in his in his remarkably inconsistent games.

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his team for a couple of years. But if you

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can't provide, if you can't provide that floor, it's a

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very difficult sort of road to hoe to get you

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rotation minutes.

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Speaker 2: And I think coach Lou maybe looking at KPJ as

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kind of a project where he can get more out

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of him than anybody else has before. There's I don't know,

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maybe some pride there of being able to coach this

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guy up and get more out of his game than

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anybody else has. And there's a lot of potential there.

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the ball a little bit more. A lot of those

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threes were catch and shoot threes from him, which is

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a nice role for him. But how do you do

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that in today's NBA with a guy that small if

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he's not going to be the point guard, if he's

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just gonna be a catch and shoot.

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Speaker 1: Guy or defend. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, KPJ. I mean, yeah,

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he played the most minutes, but I mean it was

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Clippers tenure, right. It's that thing where every once in

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a while there's this spike where you're like, WHOA awesome,

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and then when he gets the consistent minutes as will

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you talked about, it's you look at the box scores

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and it's like one for eight, seven for twelve, two

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for twelve, Like it's just all over the place consistency wise,

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Speaker 2: Don't know when has he ever gotten consistent minutes with

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the Clippers?

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, what literally is it? This? That's very true? Started,

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that's very true.

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Speaker 3: I think that that has to be indicative two of

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of what's happening, like behind the scenes, what's happening at

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practice with you know what I mean? Like, because for

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him to not even get consistent like backup minutes, I

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think is you know, it's puzzling. I feel like there's

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got to be more to the factor there than what

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we've seen on the court.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely the attitude issues from the Denver Nuggets.

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That baggage maybe has carried over because I don't know

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what else it could be. Now, they did give him

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the backup job before they brought in James Harden last season. Yeah,

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that four games where he was really good off the bench,

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Speaker 1: It's weird, it's gonna be. There's also there's the December

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people a couple episodes ago. Not a very sexy list,

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not even from like a depth, like you know, like

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maybe you get this guy to fill in the back

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end of the bench. Not the most scintillating of possible ads.

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But tonight's goal.

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Speaker 2: Is just get rid of two for one. That's the goal.

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To open up a roster spot so you can add

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Jordan Miller for the whole season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, because yeah, he's still not even on the

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full time contract. What do we think of Jordan Miller

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last night?

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Speaker 2: I think you should have gotten the ball more. Honestly,

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he had ten points in the first half. He looked

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really good in that second quarter, and when he came

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back in the second half, I don't think he touched

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the basketball for three or four minutes. I don't think

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they even got him the ball once. And then they did.

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but kind of felt like they could have used more

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from him. They could have tried to feature him more

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with all the guys being out in that game. When

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I heard Derek Jones Junior was out, I thought, here

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we go, Jordan Miller's going to get up twenty shots

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tonight got up twelve nothing. But I think they could

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have used more from Jordan Miller, and they probably should

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have gotten the ball to Vita Zuba's even more.

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Speaker 3: Well, you look at that, like twelve points in thirty

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two minutes and you're kind of like, oh man, you know,

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but then you look at his actual field goal attempts

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and he was remarkably efficient when he was actually getting

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the damn ball.

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Speaker 1: So I agree with that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he definitely could have used some more attempts,

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but I do like that he kicked that he kicked

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in six rebounds on a night where we got our

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asses kicked on the boards despite the other team being

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more effective from both the field and from three.

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Speaker 1: One of those things that you know is going to

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be a Clippers loss.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I agree he needs more opportunities, especially like

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Speaker 1: Boundaries of this efficiency?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: How greedy can we get with it shot wise?

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Speaker 4: So we starting to see a deviation because I'm ready

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to get a little greedy.

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Speaker 1: With it with with Jordan Miller in his attempts, you

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gotta see where it goes right, like you're not that's

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a great call, man, Like, let's see what happens. A

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note because I think later in the game, I wouldn't

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be surprised if there was just some fatigue. This stats

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from to Mayer. He said, Jordan Miller played fourteen minutes

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and thirty four seconds straight between the first and second quarters,

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which just for a guy who NBA level basketball, that's

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a lot of basketball to play straight. So I'm wondering

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if there was just maybe you know, not not excuse

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me it, because I do agree that there should have

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been maybe some more shots given to him, but that's

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a lot of straight minutes, you know, that's almost a

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treas shift for a guy who's getting his first year

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of NBA minutes.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll say this, when they took him out there

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is when the run happened by the Houston Rockets at

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the end of the second quarter. That's when they took

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Jordan Miller out. KPJ gave up a three and then

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from Jalen Green who also got an easy one in transition,

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and they kind of got ambushed in three minutes. That

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was the game because the Clippers were right there battling

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you look at the final score. They lose by eleven,

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and there's that twelve zero run that ended up being

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a twelve to two run. As a visa Zubats had

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that tip into end the first half, but it was

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just them being a little bit unfocused for a couple

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of minutes there that was enough to lose the game.

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Speaker 1: That's the thin margins. That's what we talked about on

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this podcast. One last thing before we get into the

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lot of Murray stuff. On Kawhi, Norm had a rough outing.

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We didn't need a rough outing from Norm last night,

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giving everyone who was out. But it's his first bad game.

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In a minute, he's still probably getting his legs underneath

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them a little bit from the hamstring injury. No pun intended,

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But I don't know what you're not concerned. That's kind

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of where I'm at about this. What's that song? The

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theme song from Scrubs?

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Speaker 2: Oh man, damn, I should know this.

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Speaker 1: But you know the song? You know how it goes.

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If you're singing, I will yeah, I'm like I.

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Speaker 3: Thought you guys would fill in the blanks. It's the

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one where it's like I can't do this all.

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Speaker 4: On my own, right, Okay, got it? That's Powell right now.

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I'm not worried. You can't do it all on his own.

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He's no superman. Yeah, I agree, he's gonna be fine.

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He's normal.

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Speaker 2: I would say in the way that the janitor was

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JD's Foyle and Kryptonite. Oh no, that's who the Houston

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Rockets have been for Norman Powell. In all three games,

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he has gotten clamped by them. And that's not you know,

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out of the ordinary. Houston has the second best defense,

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they're number one rebounding team, and they killed the Clippers

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in both those areas. But Norm Pale has had three

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of his worst games of the season, maybe his three

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worst games against the Houston Rockets. I think it was

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one of eight from three last night, and they've just

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done a great job of shutting him down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of eight from three. Another guy who only

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made one three, which bummed me out. Chris Dunn hit

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his first three and I was like, yes, it's gonna

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be one of those nights. Missed the other four I

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believe that he took. But credit to Chris down he

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was playing through some kind of illness recovery, had a

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career high and Steels was a beast in that first

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quarter and then took a chance to talk to some

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G league guys who like came up to him after

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his locker I saw a tweet from one of them.

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They was talking about basketball and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: Like an hour like after playing in a game while

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being sick. The man like took a full hour out

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of his schedule. Like just I just think it goes

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to show, like I do think this locker room is

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in the best place that it's been in it probably

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what five years, Like it's been a long time since

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we've had what appears to be like a functional locker

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room like this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a real good vibe in the locker room.

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Speaker 2: I thought Done was really good to start the third

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quarter two when the Clippers kept turning over Houston. He

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had I want to say, at least two of his

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five steals early in that third quarter. It's unfortunate that

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his shot has fallen off a cliff recently. I want

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to say he's somewhere around thirteen for his last fifty

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from three. When he started off shooting forty five percent.

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we knew there'd be some regression. It has come fast

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and Swift.

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Speaker 1: He's career low third. He's got like thirty three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the last like two years, it's only eighty

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eight games. I think with the Utah Jazz he shot

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somewhere around forty percent. But you're talking a little over

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one hundred attempts, so yeah, he's at thirty two percent

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right now. Yeah, man one for five last night, over three,

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one for two, over two, over two, over.

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Speaker 1: One over two. Yeah, not a box score. Merchant is

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Chris down, but he's a wonderful glue guy and a

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great defender, and him and Nico were great last night,

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just on the defensive end.

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Speaker 2: So I got all these people upset last night that

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the Clippers played too small, and it's like, yeah, they

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lost all their wings except Niko.

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Speaker 1: Guys, everyone was hurt.

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Speaker 2: Curtisized Loom for playing four guards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not sure what Tyler was supposed to do

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there other than ask a tall guy from the yeah

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we need size and shooting ty Loo player coach. All right,

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coming up, let us know what you thought about, uh,

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the Rocket the loss to the Rockets, and the comments

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at YouTube dot complish at Clippers podcast or a run

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Twitter at Clippers Pod. We're gonna be talking the Law

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Murray Kawhi article for The Athletic coming up after some

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ads in three two.

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Speaker 3: One, all right, welcome back into Clips and Dip. We

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talked about yet another bummer loss to the Rockets, which

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is gonna be getting over that one. Still looking our wounds,

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but we're gonna we gotta talk about every his favorite subject.

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People ask us all the time. They want to know

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what's going on with Kawhi Leonard. We very rarely have

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any answers. But someone much closer to the situation than us,

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your favorite athletic beat writer, Law Murray had a piece

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about Kawhi Leonard and the update.

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Speaker 1: Charles, can you, in one sentence describe us the update?

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No update status got it?

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Speaker 4: Got it?

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Speaker 1: Status remains relatively the same. There was one key update.

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If you're into these things like I am. This taken

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from the article, which you should pay to read. Said,

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though Leonard is still not at practice, which is one

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of the checks the boxes needs to be checked, the

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smoke towards his imminent return continues to thicken. It's to

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the point where Leonard has his hair and the tight,

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straight back corn rows that he always plays with instead

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of the box plates that he has had for months. Okay,

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that does seem like that. That actually does seem like

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a pretty key update. I think it's more key than

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the bibblehead date or Bill Simmons Clippers guy, who I'm

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assuming was a man he just met on the street

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somewhere wearing Clippers hat, like I would, that's my guy.

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That to me is probably the most damning of an update. Yeah,

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I think that's fair. Another thing from this piece, the

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Clippers are not committing to a return date for Leonard,

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which is in line with never releasing any kind of

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timeline for Leonard's or turn to play protocol.

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Speaker 3: But that's nothing new, Like I don't even I don't

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blame the org for that. Like, you know, there are

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things I blame this organization for. That's not one of them.

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Any anything around Kawhi's like return timelines or health or

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anything like that. Like that's something it's best to just

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just mind your own business, you know, from an organization perspective.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why would you give even a target date? Because

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if he goes through one exercise, finally does five on

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five and the knee swells up and now he can't go,

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how why would you let that happen just to disappoint everyone.

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Oh now he's not ready. Why on earth would that

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be a wise decision.

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Speaker 1: You think you're mad with a no return date, Now

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think how mad you would be if we got a

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return date and then they moved it.

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Speaker 2: Like that's where I have also something they can't foresee.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm not knowing.

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Speaker 3: Not knowing is not is in no way worse than

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missing a proposed deadline, you know what I mean? Like

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an indefinite is is maybe not the greatest outcome, but

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it's certainly a far better outcome than a missed deadline.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I've been beaten across the head with the Kawhi

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return timelines for so long, and you have been if

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you've been a Clippers fan that At this point, I

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just can't get upset about it. I'm just like, he's

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gonna be back when he gets back. The ORG doesn't

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really say anything another piece in the article because there's

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so much time. One off law Murray says this week

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could be a critical step, a critical one to get

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Leonard up to speed. A return to practice is the

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crucial first step for Leonard to lose the week two

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week designation. That's also when Kawhi would address the public next,

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I don't really know what we would get expect from

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Kawhi's first addressed to the public after practicing, but that's

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the marker. Maybe who we getting honest he starts grabbing

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the mic. He's grabbing mics doing the interviews. But that's

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the key. The first practice is the step. That's what

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everyone should be looking for. Did Kawi practice. He did

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some shoot around in practice the other day. They were

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not allowed to film. But but it is.

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Speaker 3: New right having it even even as that occur around

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the media.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, that's got to be another.

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Speaker 3: I mean, unless it's like the Golden State workout, I

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have no idea, but it's it seems like there's there's teasers.

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You know, there's Easter eggs out there for those searching. Yeah,

475
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there is return coming.

476
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Speaker 2: At some point, we're gonna hear that he participated in

477
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,799
limited time at practice. That's gonna be the first thing

478
00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:17,680
we hear for sure, and then you can start to

479
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,480
get excited when you hear that. The next day, his

480
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:24,880
knee responded well to it, Because just getting through a

481
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,039
practice or playing one game really doesn't mean anything. It's

482
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about how his knee feels afterwards.

483
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Speaker 3: We like you said five on five Like, well, how

484
00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:36,880
about we how about we get the update the day

485
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after he plays his first five.

486
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Speaker 1: On five to practice and then we'll then we'll go

487
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,039
from there and he'll do the stay ready game. I'm

488
00:24:43,079 --> 00:24:46,119
assuming they'll have him do one of those. After he practices.

489
00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:48,440
He'll probably do a stay ready game, which is the

490
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,839
classic Clippers Tylu practice thing for a guy coming back.

491
00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:59,440
When Kawai comes back. This article did mention also like

492
00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:03,720
kind of how easy theoretically, you know, Tylo thinks bringing

493
00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:05,759
Kawhi into this team is, which I think I don't

494
00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:07,559
think any of us would disagree with that, with how

495
00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:11,880
this team is playing, kind of what they're built on. Yeah,

496
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,400
what is this team's ceiling with Kawhi Leonard? Let's say,

497
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:19,319
for all intents and purposes, he comes back not before Christmas,

498
00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:25,519
but either the first week of January or something like that.

499
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:29,799
The standings are tight, Clippers are six right now, will

500
00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:33,279
what do you put in the Clippers ceiling at all

501
00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:37,519
things considered with Kawhi Leonard? We do know it is

502
00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:40,880
our year, of course, but just give the fans something,

503
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,160
you know, what is the ceiling other than that, what's

504
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,519
option B. Were they to somehow not win the championship

505
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:46,960
this year?

506
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Speaker 3: Man that that's a tough one because everything is just

507
00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:59,559
so tight right now. I mean I would say, I

508
00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:04,160
would say, say, okay, with Kawhi, Leonard, I think you

509
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,920
could have I think at their absolute ceiling, you could

510
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,079
stay out of the four or five matchup, which.

511
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: I think would be a great would be a great outcome.

512
00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:13,319
Speaker 2: Uh.

513
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: And that's the absolute peak. Like some things gotta roll there,

514
00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:19,440
some things gotta roll their way. But to get to

515
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,000
to get to three, I think I think realistically, with Kawhi,

516
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,720
assuming like full health, obviously not playing back to back

517
00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:30,519
that sort of stuff, I think that you're still hovering in.

518
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:31,599
Speaker 1: That four or five matchup.

519
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you know, assuming no other injuries and everything else.

520
00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: You know goes what goes well there. And again, these

521
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,079
are a lot of assumptions.

522
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 3: These are these are my extreme optimist assumptions.

523
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: Joseph i Award texted me. He said, I have a

524
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:54,720
confession to make. I like this Clippers team. So Adam,

525
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,960
you're shaking, Adam shaking. I'm way off base. No, Joseph,

526
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:05,880
we love you, Joseph. How to wear you out? On

527
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,039
this team Ceiling with with Kwilny Well.

528
00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: I listened to the entire interview with Coach Lou ALM

529
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with Stephen A.

530
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Speaker 1: Smith.

531
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and I'm gonna say this, I actually do

532
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,240
put stock into Kawhi must be around the corner for

533
00:27:20,319 --> 00:27:22,559
him to come on with steven A. Smith right now

534
00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:25,759
during the season. He could have came off during the

535
00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:28,920
off season. He could have came on after Kawhi left

536
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,920
Team USA and tried to explain the side. I think

537
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,599
with the stuff and all the joke that Steven A.

538
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,960
Smith has been talking and he and Coach Leure Boys,

539
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,079
I think Coach Lou wanted to come on when he

540
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,279
could actually back it up and be like, hey, he's

541
00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:45,519
coming Kawhi Leonard is playing. He's going to be playing.

542
00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: He said.

543
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,039
Speaker 2: He gave a Charles Barkley I gut tee that Kawhi

544
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,640
Leonard is coming back. So that's out of everything the

545
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,319
Bobblehead with Bill Simmons, I put the most stock into

546
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,519
that on Honestly that I don't think Coach Lou would

547
00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:06,200
show up with steven A right now, with the guy

548
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,440
who's been hating on Kawhi the most unless he felt

549
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,519
like Kawhi's coming back soon, So I'm not gonna have

550
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:15,240
to hear from Steven A if you know he's out

551
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:17,359
for another two months or something like that. After I

552
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,559
just in an interview where I said Kawi is coming back.

553
00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: I like that he defended ka too, like he was

554
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:25,480
like I wants to play. Like for some reason, there's

555
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:27,440
still this group of people who think that Kawhi is

556
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,200
like hanging out, loving life not being able to play

557
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,000
basketball for his team. So I thought that was nice.

558
00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:36,119
But sorry to the ceiling question.

559
00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned has been on the verge of tears,

560
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,000
feeling like he's let the team down. There were some

561
00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:45,440
heavy stuff in there, but Coach Lou answered a question

562
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,720
about what basically the Clippers ceiling is with Kawhi, and

563
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:53,440
he said, at least Western Conference finals appearance. That's what

564
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:57,759
Coach Lou said. So I'm gonna go with that least. Well,

565
00:28:57,799 --> 00:28:59,640
there's only one thing you can do more than that,

566
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,200
just go to the finals.

567
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: So Tyler Tyler wise man, Tyler's on that William Updyke

568
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:08,960
train that this is our year.

569
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,279
Speaker 2: Train, the ceiling is it's our year.

570
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: The floor our year. Horrible square footage in this house. Yeah, yeah,

571
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:27,799
So I had them as a high playing team with

572
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,920
Kawhi out for how long he was going to be out.

573
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:34,440
If he's coming back, and the team does look better

574
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,880
than I would have thought they were going to look.

575
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,279
We've talked about the rebounding, We've talked about actually still

576
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:40,440
being committed to defense, all that good stuff. We're getting

577
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,839
great shooting from Derek Jones Junior. I'm here, Coffee is

578
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:45,319
playing great. Like all this good stuff is happening. Norm

579
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,759
is on the best stretch of his career. But it

580
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:56,200
just does I think four or five is probably where

581
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,400
they end up. I still I'm wondering. I want say

582
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,759
that I'm still waiting for like the Mavericks or the

583
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:06,559
Rockets to convince me that they're top four. But like,

584
00:30:06,599 --> 00:30:09,359
I mean, we've watched the Rockets beat us three times,

585
00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:13,799
so I guess they've already convinced me. But I just think,

586
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,519
and with the no back to back thing, and with

587
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,759
the other injuries, right, it's it's not my doubting Kawhi's

588
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:21,079
ability to come into this team and elevate an already

589
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:26,319
very good defense and elevate an incredibly what's the word

590
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:32,480
for the offense, labor heavy labor intensive offense. I think

591
00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:34,119
Kawha is gonna come in and do that, but you

592
00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:37,400
know I do. I am a little worried about how's

593
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,599
Harden going to hold up, what's Derek Jones Junior gonna

594
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:42,720
look like? Because they you know, they have this time off,

595
00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:44,599
but they have some difficult games coming up that we're

596
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:47,440
gonna talk about. So I think that four or five

597
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,599
spot is probably where they settle. I would love to

598
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,880
have home court advantage into it. Don't for the playoffs

599
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,759
because I can't imagine what that is going to be

600
00:30:56,799 --> 00:31:01,079
like for opposing teams this season. That's gonna be really exciting.

601
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,599
But then after that, it's like, hey, as long as

602
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,240
we get in there and if Kawhi is kind of

603
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,759
peeking at the right time, let's make a bunch of

604
00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:11,799
noise in the playoffs. Right Like then it's that I

605
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:14,720
really believe in the chaos that would be the Clippers

606
00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:16,160
at that point.

607
00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. A lot of this confidence we have, I think

608
00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:21,640
is just the state of the West where even a

609
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,400
team like the Houston Rockets, you're kind of like, are

610
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,519
they really this good? They're young, they don't have an

611
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,000
they don't even have a guy averaging twenty points per game.

612
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,000
I don't hear them in a seven game series with

613
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:34,799
Kawhi because.

614
00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:37,039
Speaker 1: You can give by the ball and say, please go

615
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:41,759
score us sixteen points this half or whatever. I will say.

616
00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:45,599
Speaker 3: I don't know that I'm like emotionally or mentally ready

617
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,119
for a four or five Clippers MAVs face off.

618
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: MAVs win just one?

619
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,519
Speaker 3: Are there one seventh straight? They're looking scary as shit

620
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,319
right now. I'm kind of tired of seeing this movie.

621
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: I think everyone would agree with you on that. Man,

622
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,720
I don't want to say.

623
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,039
Speaker 3: And even though the Rockets have gotten the better of

624
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:08,480
us with with the healthy Kawhi Leonard, I guess I'd

625
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:10,039
rather that in a seven game series.

626
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: Wouldn't the Clippers have the two top guys in that

627
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:15,680
series with Kawhi and James Harden?

628
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:18,519
Speaker 1: I think they would Luca and Kyrie.

629
00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Over.

630
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: Houston, I thought you said over the Maps, I was like.

631
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think over the rock the gap is way

632
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:31,680
further away versus the Rockets, and it is for the

633
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,839
Maps for the best to have the two best players.

634
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: For sure, who loses a series when you have the

635
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:38,200
two top guys in the series.

636
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,559
Speaker 1: How can that happen, bro, What are you talking about?

637
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:45,720
Very simple answer, the series.

638
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, I think they have a lot

639
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,319
of advantages against Houston in a seven game series.

640
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would, I agree. I agree, especially I don't

641
00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:01,160
Dallas either. No, I don't want Dallas. Uh. But yeah,

642
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,680
it's gonna be interesting. And I mean I love that

643
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:06,119
point about Tyler talking with stephen A Smith because it

644
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,599
is out of character a for TYLERU to do any

645
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,559
kind of interview like that during the season.

646
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:16,759
Speaker 2: Well, people would naturally say, what do you mean they're friends? Okay,

647
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:19,799
he could have done the interview still at some point

648
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:21,440
in October.

649
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: Or any other season.

650
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:25,119
Speaker 2: He could have done it all these different times since

651
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,759
Team USA, and he didn't. And stephen A has been

652
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:31,200
talking with a lot of wind in his jaws about

653
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,440
Kawhi Leonard for a couple of years, saying that he

654
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:38,039
should retire. So coach lu coming on now. I think

655
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:39,839
it's because he knows he's coming back soon.

656
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:43,319
Speaker 1: I do hope it is. I don't know if it's

657
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:45,799
going to be the twenty seventh, but just so Bill

658
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:48,759
Simmons can be wrong by the slightest of margins, I

659
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:50,559
would love it if he came back to twenty seventh,

660
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:52,880
be great.

661
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,839
Speaker 3: I don't know about the guys I really decembered to me. No,

662
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,559
so optimistic.

663
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:01,599
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's a lot of stiff. I want

664
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,240
to believe. I'm you know, I'm spooky molder over here.

665
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:06,079
You know. I want to believe. But I'm just not

666
00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:09,159
seeing it. I'm just not seeing it. He's got a

667
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:14,880
lot of boxes to check between now and Yeah.

668
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: I would not predict that he's going to be back

669
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:20,400
for the babble Head Night Game No.

670
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: In nine seven in a week.

671
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: Like, how does he ramp up that fast from where

672
00:34:26,039 --> 00:34:26,960
he's at currently?

673
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Steve step it's very great. Well, it's graduated, it's smooth. Yeah,

674
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,719
the ram has been happening since day one of the seasons,

675
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,840
so it's actually a really really really chill ramp. We'll

676
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,199
see what happens. Let us know. There are there were

677
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,920
a lot of comments underneath laws Twitter posts about how

678
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,679
Kawhi would be back by the next game, which I

679
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,719
don't think those people are right because that games happens

680
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,480
on Friday. Coming up, we're gonna be talking about the

681
00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:00,000
upcoming schedule getting a little rough and just kind of

682
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:03,400
more in depth look at the West standings because it's

683
00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:05,599
the I've seen people say the West is good, and

684
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:07,960
I've seen people say the West is unimpressive. I'm not

685
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,320
really sure what to think. We got all that coming

686
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,719
up after some light audio ads in three two.

687
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Speaker 2: One Welcome back in It's clips and Dip episode thirty

688
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:21,639
three of season three. I'm out of masliand we got

689
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,920
Chuck Mackler and Will Updike here and the Clippers do

690
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,199
not play until Friday, where there was a rescheduled game

691
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,880
after they didn't make the knockout round in the n

692
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,559
Season Tournament in Denver against the Nuggets. You can say

693
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:39,599
the NBA screwing them again, but they also gave him

694
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:43,079
the Utah Jazz Monday at home, So I feel like

695
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:46,719
it's evened out. But it's not gonna be easy. And

696
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,119
I am really concerned about this game, just because it's

697
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:51,639
so hard to beat a team three times that's this good,

698
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:55,320
and the Clippers have actually, maybe it goes against what

699
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,400
I just said. They have beaten them four straight times

700
00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:02,719
going back to last season, but three times in the

701
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,760
same year. With Jokic playing this well, and the game

702
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,599
is in Denver, it's going to be a difficult one

703
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:10,440
on Friday.

704
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got that one on Friday, which is the thirteenth.

705
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,800
I'm just not realizing. Then they have the Jazz. Then

706
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,599
they have the MAVs on the nineteenth and the twenty first,

707
00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:21,800
so we do get a bit of a playoff schedule

708
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,719
against the MAVs coming up, then the Grizzlies on the

709
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,480
twenty third, and then a big standings battle with the

710
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:34,239
Warriors on the twenty seven. So all of these games

711
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,320
are pretty important standings wise. And if you look at

712
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,239
the West, the Clippers as of this recording, and thank

713
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,920
you to Google, Hey, there are only three spots out

714
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,920
of the two seed. Awesome. We love that they are

715
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,880
also only two games out of the twelve seed. I

716
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,000
don't think they're getting down to thirteen where the Blazers are,

717
00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:57,880
but they are two games out of the twelve seed.

718
00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:01,280
Is the West really good or is the West mediocre?

719
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,599
Or are they good and just kind of winning the

720
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:06,559
games where they can because this this team already has

721
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:10,400
thin margins and the standings are not helping that scenario

722
00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:11,320
at all.

723
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:16,559
Speaker 2: I think the West is good to very good. It's

724
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:19,599
just not a leade at the very top it's not

725
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:23,000
as top heavy maybe as the Eastern Conference is, but

726
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,280
there's a lot of teams that are close to each

727
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,159
other that are good to very good in the Western Conference,

728
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:31,119
which makes it, I don't know, in some ways tougher

729
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:34,039
because there are less nights where you run into a

730
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:38,000
team that is just so bad you can't help but

731
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:39,639
fall into a victory against.

732
00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:41,119
Speaker 1: You know, the Utah.

733
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 2: Jazz are bad, the Blazers aren't that bad. They've had

734
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:53,079
the San Antonio is improved. So yeah, I don't I

735
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:56,679
don't overlook the West, but I also know that at

736
00:37:56,679 --> 00:38:02,000
the very top they're missing, I don't know, really flawless team.

737
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:06,119
Even the OKC thunder have a flaw and that's inexperience

738
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,400
and they don't have Chet Holmgren right now for another

739
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,719
ten weeks or something like that.

740
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree with that.

741
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it depends on how you're looking

742
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,920
at it, because to me, I would say the West

743
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,239
is more difficult because of that, there's all these sort

744
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,679
of teams that are that are good, that are kind

745
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,000
of right at each other's throats, and like, there are

746
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:32,000
good teams in the East, don't get me wrong, but

747
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:35,239
there's only there's like, you know, it's it's a far

748
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,079
different hierarchy where there's like two teams that you're like,

749
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:40,199
oh yeah, I could see them, you know, I could

750
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,400
see them making noise in the playoffs, and then there's

751
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,880
kind of everybody else who's like pretty good and in

752
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,960
the West, I feel like, you know, I given injuries

753
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,119
and stuff, it's it's more of a it's not a

754
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:53,320
complete coin flip, but it's like, you know, what would honestly,

755
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,440
what would surprise you at this point in the West, Like, so.

756
00:38:57,199 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: We look at it. The Spurs twelve and twelve. They

757
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,880
have a better record than the Kings. They're ahead of

758
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,760
the Kings, so there's gonna be some movement there. I

759
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,000
would assume between one of those is going up, what

760
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,239
was going down? Both of them going up really hurts

761
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,000
the Clippers. The Lakers are thirteen and eleven, which he

762
00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:14,719
could argue as an overplay. They can maybe have overplayed

763
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,360
their record based on how things are going with that team.

764
00:39:18,519 --> 00:39:21,800
And then you have, yeah, this block of Rocket sixteen

765
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,719
and eight Maps sixteen and eight Grizzlies like that that

766
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,239
top is also there's gonna be a bunch of movement,

767
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:32,000
Like it's just taking the longer it takes, I think

768
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:38,000
to like shake out is worse for the Clippers for

769
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:41,519
this standing. Yeah.

770
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 2: You could make the argument though the other way, if

771
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,000
they stay in this place where they go on a

772
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:50,000
winning streak and they shoot up the standings because things

773
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:52,599
are so tight, it's just the other side of that

774
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,400
is they go on losing.

775
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: To the other side of that, Yeah.

776
00:39:56,159 --> 00:39:59,599
Speaker 2: And you fall down the standings immediately and the floor

777
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:04,599
disappe years underneath you. And if they lose to the

778
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:08,400
Denver Nuggets, that's three straight losses and now they're fourteen

779
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,320
and twelve. Now worst, I would think they're going to

780
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,840
end up at fifteen and twelve by that Monday against.

781
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: The Utah Yes, make Yeah.

782
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,679
Speaker 2: You mentioned the two games in Dallas, the Warriors coming up,

783
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,119
the Memphis Grizzlies, So a really tough schedule in December.

784
00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:32,880
I just the more we see the days off in

785
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,559
December and the more we see the schedule tough enough,

786
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:39,320
the more confident I am in that they were always

787
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,440
looking at the target date for Kawhi Leonards return somewhere

788
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,719
in the next couple of weeks.

789
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:46,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that January, that January area.

790
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: Or even before before the end of this month. I

791
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:57,519
think the target date is you know, it's it's not

792
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,800
one day, it's this window of time where if we

793
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,519
could get Kawhi back here against some of these really

794
00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:07,280
tough teams in the West, specifically, you know, we weathered

795
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,960
the storm without him, and then we get him back

796
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:13,239
and there's that extra jet fuel we need to get

797
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,880
through the end of twenty twenty four.

798
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I agree with that. I think they definitely

799
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,719
had some kind of idea or wish the thing that

800
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,360
you were talking about kind of if the if the

801
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,679
floor falls out and they lose ground in the standings.

802
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,800
It's not a team that's exactly built to make up

803
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,679
ground quickly games wise, right, they have a five game

804
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,800
win streak, they have a four game win streak, but

805
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:39,360
it's hard as the season goes on. We have seventeen

806
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,840
games in March, which I've only brought up once every

807
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,920
two episodes. It's hard for this It would be hard

808
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,320
for this team I think as of six point thirty

809
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,000
one PM on December ninth, to like make have some

810
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:54,800
streak at the end of the year where they go

811
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,000
from like, oh we went from the sixth seed, now

812
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,760
we're up to the four seed or something like that.

813
00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:01,320
I don't know, and I also just have to see

814
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,719
what the team looks like with Kwai. I think they

815
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,760
will be good, but I just I don't know. I

816
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:09,119
don't have any red flags about injuries raised yet, but

817
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:11,119
I'm cautious.

818
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:15,079
Speaker 2: I guess I'm looking at it from the standpoint of

819
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,719
if Kawhi comes back and looks relatively close to where

820
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,880
he was last season with them, that means against some

821
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,800
of those upper echelon teams on those nights, they have

822
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,840
a better chance to beat them. And there's even less

823
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,480
of a chance that against some of the bottom teams

824
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:33,079
that they jump up and beat him like we saw

825
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:36,719
the Portland Trail Blazers do, because that margin for Eric grows.

826
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,679
And I'm not overly concerned that Kawhi is going to

827
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,159
I know some people have been talking about, oh what

828
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:46,559
if he hurts us and you know, he messes up

829
00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:50,920
our rhythm? It's like crazy twenty fourth Offensively, how is

830
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,239
he going to hurt them on the offensive end? And

831
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,639
he's a two time Defensive Player of the Year winner,

832
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,559
how is he going to hurt him on the defensive end.

833
00:42:57,599 --> 00:42:58,280
I don't see it.

834
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see that I don't see Kawhi hurting

835
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,920
the team when he comes back.

836
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 2: To this team, even if he's at eighty percent, I

837
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,000
don't see how he can hurt the team. That is

838
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:13,920
a guy you need. They need exactly what he provides

839
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:16,719
for them.

840
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: Any final thoughts on the standing, say anything like that

841
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,559
before we let these people go for the rest of

842
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:25,000
their week, four whole days off until the next Clippers game. No,

843
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:29,840
enjoy the rest. Hey, let's everybody enjoy the rest. James

844
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,360
Harden enjoy the rest. It's the holiday, so everyone else

845
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,960
should enjoy the rest too. Any Kawhi updates that happened

846
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,000
between now and the next game. We will have some

847
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:40,639
content for you. Perhaps it's a live while I'm at work.

848
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,440
We're gonna have a post game live hang after the

849
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:46,000
Nuggets game, as well as probably an episode before that

850
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:48,920
Nuggets game to talk. Maybe we'll have some Hopefully we'll

851
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,639
have some clarity on the the injuries to a mirror

852
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:56,599
and Derek Jones Junior will if people wanted to say

853
00:43:56,679 --> 00:43:58,920
during their end of year review, score some points with

854
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,360
their boss and suggest some really great Clippers podcasts listen to.

855
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:05,480
Who should they suggest and where could they tell their

856
00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:06,840
boss to listen to that podcast.

857
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,159
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, look intelligent influence friends and people by telling

858
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:14,039
them about Lockdown by telling them about Clips.

859
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: And Dip.

860
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:18,559
Speaker 3: Which you can check us out over on Apple Podcasts,

861
00:44:18,639 --> 00:44:21,599
Spotify and the best way though, is over on YouTube

862
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:23,199
dot com slash I had Clippers podcast.

863
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,639
Speaker 1: So yeah, however, you can see this thing. You know,

864
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:29,039
we appreciate you, We absolutely do. And before we send

865
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:32,519
you out, Adam from your car. One positive thing for

866
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:35,559
these Clippers fans before our episode on Thursday.

867
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:39,159
Speaker 2: I think it's that these injuries, if you have to

868
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:41,519
have them, they're probably coming at the right time because

869
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:45,960
they got four more days off. James Harden now will played.

870
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,119
By the time they get to the Denver game, he'll

871
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:54,239
have had eight days off. Yeah, this was another All

872
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,840
Star break and I didn't see it coming when I

873
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,559
looked at the schedule heading into this season. But this

874
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:04,559
could be a real blessing for a team that's getting

875
00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:07,159
to the thirty percent of the way through the season mark,

876
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,559
that they can have this much time off to get rejuvenated,

877
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:13,960
to get right, especially with James Harden and all he's

878
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,920
been asked to do so that you don't hit the

879
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,679
wall later in the year when you have seventeen games

880
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:23,199
going for you in March, since you have to get

881
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,880
through somehow, and maybe there's you know, some real pieces

882
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,639
of the puzzle finally coming together with Kawhi because they

883
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:33,920
actually have a chance to practice right now. He has

884
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,039
to practice as part of the ramp up. So it

885
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:40,800
makes sense that everybody is, you know, seeing the smoke

886
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:43,920
from Kawhi Leonard and why he could be coming back

887
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,719
at this point, there's a lot of rationale telling you that, yes,

888
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,639
it makes a lot of sense that Kawhi could be

889
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:50,199
in the next two weeks here.

890
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: And the thing that makes smoke sense, as we know,

891
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,440
is the change in hairstyle. All right, we will be

892
00:45:55,519 --> 00:45:59,159
back with y'all on Thursday, if not before pending some news.

893
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,679
Thank you for hanging out, Pam. As always, let's go clips,