Speaker 1: Hey everybody, I'm Sierra and welcome back to our one
Speaker 1: hundredth episode where we recap one of your original favorite drugs.
Speaker 2: Indot your crime unsolved mysteries.
Speaker 1: You can tell Ben so excited.
Speaker 2: One hundred Also, did you what is today the day?
Speaker 2: This is dropping? Happy anniversary? Shut the front door.
Speaker 1: We could have not timed that better. One hundred episodes
Speaker 1: and one hundred years.
Speaker 2: Married, one hundred years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're looking real good for a good photos has
Speaker 1: done wonders you.
Speaker 2: Guys, I have not had photos, So.
Speaker 1: Happy anniversary, Love, Happy anniversary. No nineteen years nineteen. Are
Speaker 1: you proud of me that I know that I am
Speaker 1: proud of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And Ben promise for our twentieth that he'd take me
Speaker 1: to Paris.
Speaker 2: So I've never promised that ever.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, you said you take that a tour
Speaker 1: of Italy.
Speaker 2: That hasn't been promised that haste.
Speaker 1: It would be fun to do something fun for our twentieth,
Speaker 1: but we have kids, so it just gets really complicated
Speaker 1: traveling alone, especially trying to leave the country without your children.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree. So to two milestones, two milestones,
Speaker 2: one fell swoop, one fell stone, and.
Speaker 1: I'm literally leaving tomorrow to go see Backstreets back.
Speaker 2: All right, doo, how excited? I I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: I will say, I'm excited because I'm going with my
Speaker 1: best friend, and I'm very happy that she was able
Speaker 1: to like last minute happen on this. But I am
Speaker 1: a little sad because originally my plan was for you
Speaker 1: and me to do like cheesy old Vegas together. I
Speaker 1: wanted to like go to the White Chapel and renew
Speaker 1: our vows, like just do dumb things, and there's like
Speaker 1: silly like when I went for Crime Con, I didn't
Speaker 1: leave Caesar's Palace. And I'm even sure for the Sphere,
Speaker 1: I'm literally we booked a hotel right next to the
Speaker 1: Sphere so we can just walk over there. We're only
Speaker 1: going to be there for one day because we're both
Speaker 1: busy moms. We're literally going in Wednesday night, going to
Speaker 1: the show Thursday, and coming home Friday morning. So I'm excited,
Speaker 1: but I'm a little sad that, like my original plan
Speaker 1: didn't work out the way I wanted it to.
Speaker 2: I did not, it was unfortunate.
Speaker 1: Ben's really disappointed that he is missing out on Backstreet Boys.
Speaker 1: So they did just announce an extension of their residency.
Speaker 1: So if you would like to go back, I can
Speaker 1: take you this fall.
Speaker 2: It just won't it wouldn't be as good with you
Speaker 2: already seeing it.
Speaker 1: You know it needs to both Well, let me see
Speaker 1: it first and then I'll decide if the tour. I
Speaker 1: just think, yeah, so no, happy anniversary. Nineteen years, one
Speaker 1: hundred episodes and one hundred episodes. Contract done, contract fulfilled,
Speaker 1: full filled, both on both. I cannot imagine having to
Speaker 1: date again, covering true crime and watching documentaries. I really
Speaker 1: my heart goes out to people that have to date nowadays.
Speaker 2: I just moved to the woods.
Speaker 1: No one would ever see or hear from Ben again.
Speaker 1: My kids, Yeah, just those because I like them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where they listen. I wouldn't have a podcast, you wouldn't. No,
Speaker 1: all right, all right, let's get into this because while
Speaker 1: today is all of those things, the current moment that
Speaker 1: we're recording this, it is after hours. It's an after
Speaker 1: how does what's his name say it? After hours?
Speaker 2: After hours episode?
Speaker 1: We are leaving in like ten hours for our family vacation,
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Speaker 2: Going to a wedding.
Speaker 1: We spent all day packing and cleaning Ben worked a
Speaker 1: ten hour shift today, so good luck getting through this, everybody, all.
Speaker 2: Right, like we're getting through it.
Speaker 1: Season five, Episode five fifty five is where we are at,
Speaker 1: and we have four stories for you guys today real
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Speaker 1: was born ready?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to start off today's episode with a
Speaker 1: missing story.
Speaker 2: A missing story.
Speaker 1: Nope, a missing person, do you guys? I'm already how
Speaker 1: so tough?
Speaker 2: How is the story missing?
Speaker 1: The story's missing, So we're just gonna right on.
Speaker 2: Next next one missing person? Okay.
Speaker 1: In the spring of nineteen sixty seven, Mary and you
Speaker 1: Rick went to visit her sister past a married mother. Sorry,
Speaker 1: Ben just turned off the lights in our bedroom and
Speaker 1: it blacked out real quick. But my light on my
Speaker 1: microphone is like hot pink. I was like, oh, we're
Speaker 1: setting the mood for the hundredth episode. No, I need
Speaker 1: to be able to like still do my job. But
Speaker 1: you just turn the fan off.
Speaker 2: Are you cold? It's a little chilly.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you guys, I be married to someone
Speaker 1: when you're in perimenopause and stuck in the effing death
Speaker 1: desert of Arizona. And Ben's always a little chili. Not
Speaker 1: to get too far off what I already started as
Speaker 1: our story.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of questions about this story. I
Speaker 2: know you do. I don't you can answer.
Speaker 1: I hope I can answer some of them too. Okay,
Speaker 1: So we have Mary Anne. She's going to go see
Speaker 1: her sister, Pat, who is a married mother of three
Speaker 1: young children. While she's driving over there, she has this
Speaker 1: intense feeling of dread. When she arrives at Pat's house,
Speaker 1: she finds her children unattended. Her daughter told Marianne that
Speaker 1: she was sleeping in the bedroom. It's never a good sign.
Speaker 1: I loved that the daughter had pulled up a chair,
Speaker 1: she said, to the sink, and it was like overflowing
Speaker 1: with dishes and water. And the daughter was just like
Speaker 1: having a heyday playing in the water.
Speaker 2: But I saw that and it made my anxiety and
Speaker 2: go away us. I was like, oh my gosh, please
Speaker 2: stop this, please stop.
Speaker 1: And she's like there was water everywhere, it was all
Speaker 1: over the floor, and I thought that girl's gotta be
Speaker 1: fun to hang out with.
Speaker 2: I was sadly.
Speaker 1: Maryanne finds her sister Pat unconscious on the bed and
Speaker 1: she's rushed to the hospital. Doctors determined that she had
Speaker 1: an aneurysm that was blocking the flow to Pat's brain.
Speaker 1: Were once again in the world like crazy brain surgeries,
Speaker 1: and this was even this was nineteen sixty seven brain surgery.
Speaker 2: Well, they said they clamped her artery in her neck.
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, so a risky surgery is done, as Ben said,
Speaker 1: in which an artery in her neck had to be
Speaker 1: clamped off. I thought that those arteries were there for
Speaker 1: a reason. Isn't one of your arteries in your neck, like,
Speaker 1: if it gets cut, we got a problem.
Speaker 2: Well, if you've had an ANDWSM brain you're already having
Speaker 2: because that's the blood flow to your brain. You're already
Speaker 2: having problem.
Speaker 1: But then you're clamping it so that there's less blood
Speaker 1: flow going. That's counter I'm not a doctor, you're not
Speaker 1: you're not a neurosurgeon.
Speaker 2: I'm not. That's unfortunate, but I don't think I could
Speaker 2: be wrong. I don't know if that's how they do
Speaker 2: it now. I don't know that.
Speaker 1: If you work in the world of neurosurgery, please write
Speaker 1: in and let us know, because I've never heard of
Speaker 1: this in my life, and I had brain surgery, and
Speaker 1: we've now covered a brain surgery. I had a cousin
Speaker 1: who like a tumor like I've known. If you have
Speaker 1: never heard of this procedure.
Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty seven, yeah, we've come a long way
Speaker 2: in the medical world.
Speaker 1: But according to the doctors, the surgery was successful except
Speaker 1: one teeny tiny little complication. When she awakes, she has
Speaker 1: zero clue who she is. She couldn't recognize her sister,
Speaker 1: her husband, or her children.
Speaker 2: Did you notice that they did not use the word
Speaker 2: amnesia in this story.
Speaker 1: Yes, that means I hadn't been invented yet.
Speaker 2: Yes, but Robert Stack is telling the story, and.
Speaker 1: He loves amnesia. It's his favorite thing.
Speaker 2: Here. We actually have amnesia. Yes, yes, the last one
Speaker 2: I and said it was amnesia.
Speaker 1: This one even seems like it's a more severe case
Speaker 1: of it. So, you guys, she had to be taught
Speaker 1: how to even eat and walk again. It's not like
Speaker 1: she woke up and kind of had like the last
Speaker 1: lady lost sixteen years. This woman regresses into like it seems.
Speaker 1: She seems to be almost nonverbal, she cannot lost brain damage, Yes,
Speaker 1: she can't eat. Her husband chooses at this moment.
Speaker 2: That he's out, and this kind said douche.
Speaker 1: I know, he files for divorce and takes custody of
Speaker 1: her children and just pieces out, leaving her to rebuild
Speaker 1: and recover her life on her own. So he's a loser.
Speaker 1: In November of nineteen sixty eight, a woman who was
Speaker 1: hired to care for Pat called her sister Mary Anne
Speaker 1: and tells her Pat is missing and seems to have
Speaker 1: wandered off dot dot dot Six weeks later, six weeks,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of weeks.
Speaker 2: It's a long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's picked up for vagrancy, which I think is
Speaker 1: just kind of like being homeless and just wandering around
Speaker 1: right in Alabama.
Speaker 2: We're in Texas, Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Marianne immediately like gets in the car and
Speaker 1: she's she's interviewed. Her sister's interviewed on this episode of
Speaker 1: Unsolved Mysteries, and she tells us like, she drives all night,
Speaker 1: like through the night to get to you. Did you
Speaker 1: get my song reference?
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I drove all night to get to you. Have you
Speaker 1: heard that song before?
Speaker 2: It's not ringing any balance?
Speaker 1: Well, I sang it perfectly.
Speaker 2: I know you didn't you?
Speaker 1: Once again, people, it's the radio didn't just turn on?
Speaker 1: That was me.
Speaker 2: I know You're perfect every way.
Speaker 1: Anyways, I thought that was gonna be better what.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: It's called it drove all night.
Speaker 2: Hold on, I'll look at you love telling the story.
Speaker 1: By the time she picks her up, she claims that
Speaker 1: she doesn't even remember how she got to Alabama. So
Speaker 1: it's very clear that Pet's not only struggling with like
Speaker 1: long term memory, she's even struggling with short term memory.
Speaker 1: So later on, Pat meets a construction worker and sparks
Speaker 1: fly and his name is Troy Carlton and he's a
Speaker 1: friend of Maryanna and Marian's husband, and they actually start dating,
Speaker 1: and they date for several months and they are married
Speaker 1: on January third, nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 2: I liked him.
Speaker 1: I actually thought that this man, because you guys were
Speaker 1: going to learn that. He doesn't actually really learn of
Speaker 1: her medical problems until like shortly before they get married.
Speaker 1: And he says it didn't deter him. He actually felt
Speaker 1: more love for her because he felt a sense and
Speaker 1: need to take care of her and then felt empathy
Speaker 1: for her, and like it just added this different level
Speaker 1: into their relationship.
Speaker 2: All right, are you ready? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You can only play like three seconds, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: get flagged for a violation.
Speaker 2: Celine Dionne, is this it? I'm gonna get to the chorus.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to find the chorus. Did you find it?
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm done to get to you.
Speaker 1: I've never heard what is the very next line to that?
Speaker 1: Is that? Alright? I have a feeling it's going to
Speaker 1: say something about making.
Speaker 2: Love, crept in your rooms, woke you from your sleep.
Speaker 2: I forgot about that line. Is that all right? Is
Speaker 2: that alright? That's just said that moment. I have a
Speaker 2: distinct memory now, I've never heard this song in my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I crept into your room and woke you up
Speaker 1: just to make love with you.
Speaker 2: To you?
Speaker 1: Is that all rights? Maybe before you get in the
Speaker 1: car and drive all night, let's have a conversation you up?
Speaker 2: Is all right? We're getting off the rails. It's a
Speaker 2: hundredth episode.
Speaker 1: We can do whatever the f we want.
Speaker 2: It's our podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm gonna have to edit out most if
Speaker 1: you guys are listening to this, I've literally only kept
Speaker 1: three seconds of the Slingdon song, and because I don't
Speaker 1: want to get copyright issues. O my word, it's oh
Speaker 1: trust me. They come after you pretty hard with that.
Speaker 1: And I know by the way I sing, people are
Speaker 1: already gonna flag it for poppy, right, So I got
Speaker 1: to be extra carey.
Speaker 2: I've never heard this song, you've never heard I'm one.
Speaker 2: I never heard this song on my life.
Speaker 1: I was a big Slindon fan. Still am okay, so
Speaker 1: we Pat is also interviewed on Unsolved Mysteries, and he
Speaker 1: tells us he kind of gives us their backstory, their
Speaker 1: love story. Like I said, he appears by all means
Speaker 1: to be one of the kindest men we've seen interviewed
Speaker 1: on unsolved mysteries. So he starts encouraging her to fight
Speaker 1: for custody of her children. Uh. The court hearing is
Speaker 1: scheduled for May nineteen sixty nine. Sadly, a week before
Speaker 1: the hearing, Troy comes home on his lunch break and
Speaker 1: he says, he came home on his lunch break every
Speaker 1: single day.
Speaker 2: I'm going to guess.
Speaker 1: He comes home to check in on her and he
Speaker 1: finds that pat is gone. She had left without her purse,
Speaker 1: her wallet, her money, and her car keys. Everything is
Speaker 1: gone at this moment in time. He calls his sister
Speaker 1: in law to only find out that this is not
Speaker 1: the first time she's gone missing. They did not tell him.
Speaker 1: They gave him her medical history, but they never informed
Speaker 1: him that she had a history of kind of wandering
Speaker 1: off and then not being able to remember where she is,
Speaker 1: who she is, and how to get back home. So
Speaker 1: he searches you guys for three weeks for his missing wife,
Speaker 1: and she has sided on the other side out of Houston,
Speaker 1: so she didn't get as far this time. He immediately
Speaker 1: drops everything gets in his car. He doesn't have to
Speaker 1: drive all night like Celine Dion or like his sister
Speaker 1: in law, he just drives across him and picks her up,
Speaker 1: and she once again cannot explain who, what, where, when why?
Speaker 1: The last three weeks of her life have looked like so.
Speaker 1: Over the next year, Pat wanders off seven more times,
Speaker 1: and the last time she left was January fourteenth, nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy one, two years after her marriage to Troy. She
Speaker 1: carried no identification and no money with her.
Speaker 2: I feel bad for both here, I feel bad for everyone.
Speaker 1: I don't think she's they had the ability to find
Speaker 1: out exactly what was going on.
Speaker 2: She's wandering. It's clear from this brain surgery shit like
Speaker 2: she is mentally ill.
Speaker 1: She can't really seem to get a sense of getting back.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying mentally like. I'm just saying she's had
Speaker 2: something and her brain is not is broken, it's not
Speaker 2: working properly. It's how terrifying can that be? And this
Speaker 2: poor man is trying to care for his wife in
Speaker 2: seven different times every day You have to nothing for
Speaker 2: every day you're coming home not knowing if your wife
Speaker 2: is going to be there.
Speaker 1: Or not, seven times over a year.
Speaker 2: And then she will go missing on weeks on end
Speaker 2: and you can't find her, and it's not there's no internet,
Speaker 2: there's no well and you have to.
Speaker 1: Hope if someone run into her, does someone take advantage
Speaker 1: of her exactly like you don't know, And she seems
Speaker 1: to come back from these wanderings and has no memory.
Speaker 2: Of what is and that can't tell you what happened. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just fine. It breaks off from everyone involved, yeah everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so sadly for this last time she wanders off.
Speaker 1: No one knows where she is, and thirteen months go
Speaker 1: by without a single trace of her, and then a
Speaker 1: little clue surfaces. A welfare office in San Diego, California.
Speaker 1: Seems like she had been staying there and was able
Speaker 1: to give a welfare worker her maiden name and her birthplace.
Speaker 1: But once again, because records are what they are back then,
Speaker 1: there is no Internet, there is no like deep search.
Speaker 1: The worker is able to find one person by that
Speaker 1: name and like that county or that town that matches,
Speaker 1: and is able to contact her aunt in Birmingham, Alabama. However,
Speaker 1: for some reason, the only line we get is her
Speaker 1: aunt believed that she was still in Houston and did
Speaker 1: nothing to follow up.
Speaker 2: What we don't get a lot of information I don't
Speaker 2: know what happened.
Speaker 1: Then and dropped the ball big time because sadly, that's
Speaker 1: the last reported sighting of Pat like, we get nothing
Speaker 1: until nineteen seventy seven, she was arrested in Seattle, Washington. However,
Speaker 1: she's not been seen since. Troy eventually remarried in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy five, but remains fully supportive. His wife remains fully
Speaker 1: supportive of his search for her, and he gives this
Speaker 1: very sweet story because we're they're being interviewed now, like
Speaker 1: twenty something years later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's saying, twenty two, I went on.
Speaker 1: I married an amazing woman. I helped her raise her
Speaker 1: two children. I had one biological child of my own.
Speaker 1: I could not ask for my life to be any better.
Speaker 1: The one missing piece is all I want to know
Speaker 1: is that this woman that I loved and cared for,
Speaker 1: what happened to her? Is she safe? Is she okay?
Speaker 1: Is she happy? Because she deserves all of those things?
Speaker 2: And he was a good man.
Speaker 1: He was a very good man, and so that is
Speaker 1: kind of where unsolved mystery leaves us.
Speaker 2: All right, updated, okay? Is the way I got question?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Solved? Yes.
Speaker 1: Sadly, Troy, though passed away in nineteen ninety seven without
Speaker 1: ever finding pet. He passed away before she was found.
Speaker 1: What Yep, she was located alive and safe living in
Speaker 1: San Francisco, California, in two thousand and four, thirty years
Speaker 1: after she disappeared. Did I say, I said San Francisco,
Speaker 1: not San Diego, San Francisco, California. I can't remember what I.
Speaker 2: Said, but earlier she was in San that she had been.
Speaker 1: In San Diego, but now in two thousand and four
Speaker 1: she was located in San Francisco. She had lost a
Speaker 1: ton of her memories and ended up actually having like
Speaker 1: another couple of strokes which caused even more memory losses
Speaker 1: and issues. And when she was found, she was actually
Speaker 1: able to recognize her two sisters, but I don't think
Speaker 1: she had the ability to name them, but seeing their
Speaker 1: faces she did find them to be familiar, and in
Speaker 1: October she was reunited with them, her two sisters and
Speaker 1: her children. Pat's family reported that she is now safely
Speaker 1: living with them, so they moved her into their home
Speaker 1: with them and has not wandered off since. Sadly, Marianne
Speaker 1: passed away in two thousand and five and Barbara passed
Speaker 1: away in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: So I looked to Barbara. She was a missing she
Speaker 2: passed away in twenty two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I looked, there's not The family never really
Speaker 1: came out and released anything on where and who went
Speaker 1: where and why during that time span. I think part
Speaker 1: of that was because due to her two additional strokes
Speaker 1: and her memory loss, there was almost nothing to piece together.
Speaker 2: But his the thing. I think there's always the fear
Speaker 2: that someone took advantage or someone did it, harmed her. Yeah.
Speaker 2: When I it's like, sometimes you find out that she
Speaker 2: was possibly found, Yeah, that's good news. And then it
Speaker 2: was very clear that if she was still alive the
Speaker 2: way they tell the story, if she was still alive,
Speaker 2: it wasn't because she just decided, I don't like these
Speaker 2: people anymore. I don't want anything to do with this life.
Speaker 2: I want to disappear. She was doing things not knowing,
Speaker 2: and she.
Speaker 1: Probably lived in survival mode, welfare to wear affair, state
Speaker 1: program to state program, charity to charity.
Speaker 2: Was she was found, she's a victim, the victim of her.
Speaker 1: Of her illness, of her own Yeah, disability, and.
Speaker 2: That disability unfortunately caused her to go where she ever.
Speaker 1: She went to aditional strokes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like I've, like I said already, this
Speaker 2: is a terrible, sad story for everyone involved.
Speaker 1: Family was once again, this is real amnesia. This is
Speaker 1: what had like, this is severe place.
Speaker 2: If you're going to use that word, this is what
Speaker 2: we mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when someone says they might be wandering the streets
Speaker 1: unaware of who they were and who they are or
Speaker 1: how they got there, this is literally that story. And
Speaker 1: this is a rarity. This is not the one that
Speaker 1: we have seen time and time again. But it broke
Speaker 1: my heart to read that Troy passed away in ninety
Speaker 1: seven and she wasn't foun until two thousand.
Speaker 2: And four, just because so they kept looking for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually found even on ancestry dot com and
Speaker 1: like missing person's case, like the Jane Doe Network and everything.
Speaker 1: Her sisters had posted flyers, updates, emails, made threads, all
Speaker 1: different kinds of stuff, message boards trying to locate and
Speaker 1: find their sister online four years until she was found.
Speaker 1: So her name has been updated on like the Missing
Speaker 1: and Endangered Person's information and all of that. So these
Speaker 1: stories are always hard because we're so grateful that she's found,
Speaker 1: but then it's always at the same time, like anytime,
Speaker 1: then there's a missing person like you always. This is
Speaker 1: when we share these stories or I hear or like
Speaker 1: a crime con when I talk to these parents that
Speaker 1: have missing people in their lives, or sisters who have
Speaker 1: people missing, or brothers or uncles or whoever, one of
Speaker 1: the hardest parts is not knowing where their loved one
Speaker 1: is and if they're still alive. And so when you
Speaker 1: hear stories like this, like yeah, she was missing for
Speaker 1: thirty three years, but eventually she was found, she was named,
Speaker 1: and she was allowed to like live the rest of
Speaker 1: her life in a safe place.
Speaker 2: The saying is she found for but then her sister
Speaker 2: died one year later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and her sister spent like her entire adult life
Speaker 1: looking for her.
Speaker 2: It's a good sister.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: All right, what do you got for us? Baby? All right?
Speaker 2: I got a weird story. Well, here's the thing. It's
Speaker 2: weird because when of where was it?
Speaker 1: I have a totally normal, non stressful, super happy, simple
Speaker 1: story for you.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I wish I do, But let me
Speaker 2: just preface this, Okay. Robbert Stack tells us that we
Speaker 2: are going to get told a story of a search
Speaker 2: for the family of a man's late wife that could
Speaker 2: help identify a mysterious illness. I wrote that down because
Speaker 2: that is how it's prefaced, and then its prefaces a
Speaker 2: lost love. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm starting out
Speaker 2: like that. I'm going to put a pin in that.
Speaker 2: So we get told the story. At July nineteen seventy six,
Speaker 2: two service members there are stationed at Fort Gordon, Georgia,
Speaker 2: and they're at the Richmond County Fair and Daryld Tracy
Speaker 2: he meets Georgia and Boyd and he falls in love,
Speaker 2: head over, Oh Boyd, that was a good one. She
Speaker 2: tells him hard for her well, and in the reenactment,
Speaker 2: she's got a tube top office. She's looking bears looking
Speaker 2: great at the You know what we say about the
Speaker 2: fair brings out the best.
Speaker 1: Everyone puts on their best the County Fair.
Speaker 2: That's from a comedian and it's a great bit. So
Speaker 2: they hit it off. He falls head over heels for
Speaker 2: and she tells him that she's a Cherokee born on
Speaker 2: a reservation in North Carolina, and she goes by Jerry.
Speaker 2: So the next night they go and hang out. He
Speaker 2: comes to find out that she's a go go dancer
Speaker 2: at a club. So he spends most of his nights
Speaker 2: going to the co go dance place. Uh what I have?
Speaker 1: Okay, I know in my early twenties who were dancers
Speaker 1: we'll call him go go dancers for fun, boyfriends were
Speaker 1: not allowed to hang out at the clubs because it
Speaker 1: doesn't go well.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: This man seemed just there's a lot of red flags here.
Speaker 1: And I will say there's no shade to this man
Speaker 1: because I don't think he ended up actually being He's.
Speaker 2: Not a bad guy at no, I'm not.
Speaker 1: He actually talks about how much she trusted her in
Speaker 1: her working environment and stuff like that. But he just
Speaker 1: always wants.
Speaker 2: But he's also a young service member and he's like, look,
Speaker 2: am I a hot girlfriend is a go go dancer?
Speaker 2: Go go go go. I said it was quote go
Speaker 2: go dancer. No way in heck.
Speaker 1: She was a go go dancer.
Speaker 2: But this was what is a go go dancer compared to? Okay,
Speaker 2: would I think of go go dancers?
Speaker 1: I think of the sixties, which were hot chicks like
Speaker 1: in booty like little booty shorts, cute little outfits and
Speaker 1: knee high boots on that like danced at clubs. But
Speaker 1: this is unsolved mysteries. So I think Go Go dancer
Speaker 1: is a pseudonym for another kind of dancer.
Speaker 2: That's what I said.
Speaker 1: That's just going to be my guess.
Speaker 2: But this is what club interesting, all right. So he
Speaker 2: spends his time going and hanging out with her there
Speaker 2: and watching her dance. She said she was divorced and
Speaker 2: she had two young kids and at the time she
Speaker 2: was living with an older lady named Granny, but that
Speaker 2: wasn't a relative. Within two weeks of meeting, she moves
Speaker 2: in with darryl Okay and to his house, and soon
Speaker 2: after she moves in, she always keeps the blinds closed.
Speaker 2: She's paranoid. I guess he had to call like they
Speaker 2: had like the secret ring of how he would call,
Speaker 2: hang up, call whatever where she would know it was
Speaker 2: him and she would answer. And she finally told him
Speaker 2: she was worried that her ex husband was going to
Speaker 2: try to find her and kidnapped the kids, so that's
Speaker 2: why she was always paranoid. Months later, he walks into
Speaker 2: the club and he sees her talking to two men
Speaker 2: in suits, which she is a good dance sir, so
Speaker 2: he says, but they don't look like regulars. So it
Speaker 2: seems a little odd. And when he asks, like, Hey,
Speaker 2: who are those guys, she's like, they're nobody. Don't worry
Speaker 2: about her. She's real mysterious. I would think the dancer
Speaker 2: doesn't really want to talk about our clientele. But what
Speaker 2: do I know.
Speaker 1: That's private information, private information.
Speaker 2: Two weeks later after that, three members of the Devil's Discipline,
Speaker 2: which is an outlaw motorcycle gang all right, based out
Speaker 2: of Atlanta. Motorcycle outlaw motorcycle gang. I like how he
Speaker 2: says that outlaw. It's like it's Jesse James. That's the
Speaker 2: name of their gang, The Devil's Disciples. The Devil's Disciples.
Speaker 2: Were they on the nose with that one. So they
Speaker 2: show up, three of them show up. She's scared. She
Speaker 2: tells Daryl that she'd run with the Devils with the
Speaker 2: Disciples in Atlanta and they'd come back and they told her, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: you belong to us. You're coming back with us, and
Speaker 2: she's like no. So when she goes to leave for
Speaker 2: the night, when she's all done, she gets in Darryl's
Speaker 2: car and three these three guys get in a van
Speaker 2: and they start chasing them around town and they get
Speaker 2: into like a high speed chase to the point where
Speaker 2: a police officer sees and starts pursuing these two vehicles.
Speaker 2: He like fishtails into this street.
Speaker 1: Could get a sweet car in the arenacto.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was, but it was awesome.
Speaker 1: How impressed would you be if it was a gto
Speaker 1: and I just remember.
Speaker 2: That, I would think that's awesome. The van takes off,
Speaker 2: you know, and that's the end of the story that
Speaker 2: we get told. So he tries to get some more information,
Speaker 2: like what is going on, and she just she won't tell.
Speaker 2: She won't give any explanation of what's going on and
Speaker 2: why these people are after So what I tell They
Speaker 2: met in July nineteen seventy six. In January of nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy seven, Darald is reassigned to Fort Ord in Northern California,
Speaker 2: so literally on the other side of the United States. Well,
Speaker 2: she goes with him and they get married and they
Speaker 2: get there in northern California in February of nineteen seventy seven,
Speaker 2: and Georgia is pregnant.
Speaker 1: Okay, she's had a lot of babies at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, so this is their third kid. And a
Speaker 2: few months after getting there, she starts getting harassed something.
Speaker 2: It's like banging on In the reenactment, he's banging on
Speaker 2: the windows. He's calling that when Daryl's not around. In
Speaker 2: the reenactment, one night he shows up while he is
Speaker 2: there and he tries to get into their housing and
Speaker 2: I guess it's on the base. It is on the base,
Speaker 2: because he says, he calls the military police a lot
Speaker 2: of questions. I have a lot of questions about this too.
Speaker 1: I would like to know how much he actually saw.
Speaker 2: I would too, So she's afraid. He tries to come
Speaker 2: and he goes out there. He doesn't see anybody outside.
Speaker 2: He calls the military police and they can't find anything.
Speaker 2: So days later they go outside and painted on the
Speaker 2: door is I'll get you Jet. He thinks that Jet
Speaker 2: is short for Jerry. But he asked her about this,
Speaker 2: and she's like, I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: He says that. She tells him, I will tell you
Speaker 2: all about my past at a later date. I'm a
Speaker 2: little concerned because you're married to her and have a kid.
Speaker 2: But hey, what do I know?
Speaker 1: Your chair is squeaking. I don't know if anyone can
Speaker 1: pick it, but you might want to scoot forward. There
Speaker 1: you go, there you go.
Speaker 2: Sorry. August tenth, nineteen seventy seven, she gives birth to
Speaker 2: their son, and she suffered complications. They don't tell us
Speaker 2: what it is. But due to that, Darryld is able
Speaker 2: to get granted a harsh a hard ship discharge, and
Speaker 2: because of that he moves back to Michigan, which is
Speaker 2: where he's from, and in that she's pregnant again. So
Speaker 2: after their second son is born, she begins to have
Speaker 2: violent headaches and this goes on for weeks, and he
Speaker 2: finally says, listen, you need He finally calls an ambulance
Speaker 2: and takes her to a hospital.
Speaker 1: By this time, yeah, do you know what I think
Speaker 1: that she had? What preclamps you? It can happen before
Speaker 1: you have your children, but it could also spike afterwards,
Speaker 1: and it can cause debilitating headaches and you eventually your
Speaker 1: body just does not do well.
Speaker 2: So she gets into the hospital, she has a brain aneurism,
Speaker 2: multiple brain aneurysms in this.
Speaker 1: Episode, brain aneurysms for everybody, and.
Speaker 2: She pretty much is brain dead. He tells us the
Speaker 2: doctor comes in a cyclist and there's nothing we can do.
Speaker 2: Her condition is not getting better, and he.
Speaker 1: Decides where I was like, wait, is there a family
Speaker 1: history cure of a disease that can help solve a
Speaker 1: brain anurism, brain dead coma?
Speaker 2: You're thinking all the same things. I am size to
Speaker 2: shut the machine off, and she dies. Okay, Robert Stack
Speaker 2: tells us that she dies at the age of twenty two.
Speaker 1: Buckle up, everybody, It's gonna get weirder.
Speaker 2: Gonna get strange.
Speaker 1: Did you find the crazy stuff in the research that
Speaker 1: I did? Because I dig I dug deep into this
Speaker 1: one too.
Speaker 2: Hopefully maybe found a little more than I did. I
Speaker 2: tried to find a little bit.
Speaker 1: I found quite a bit.
Speaker 2: So she leaves me on four kids. She asks that
Speaker 2: you know he take care of He did. He takes
Speaker 2: care of her two kids from her previous marriage, from
Speaker 2: her ex, and the two kids that left that. He
Speaker 2: He tried all he tried to find her family. He
Speaker 2: calls around to Obviously, she told him she was Native
Speaker 2: American born on a reservation north in North Carolina. So
Speaker 2: he's trying to find that. They put him in touch
Speaker 2: with a possible man that she might have and her dad.
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't know what you're talking about. I
Speaker 2: don't have a daughter. Like no, So he goes to Augusta,
Speaker 2: Georgia and tries to like retrace who is it because
Speaker 2: he wants to find her family and tell her family, hey,
Speaker 2: she's passed away. Goes to the go go club and
Speaker 2: talks to the manager and he's like, listen, I don't
Speaker 2: know who you're talking about. And he's like, I know
Speaker 2: you're lying. She worked for you. And he's like, no,
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about. So he talks
Speaker 2: to some of the other dancers that knew her, and
Speaker 2: they pretty much say, hey, just drop it. Goes to
Speaker 2: a TV station and they agree to broadcast her photo
Speaker 2: for twenty four hours and they only broadcast at once,
Speaker 2: and he tells us that the TV station told us, listen,
Speaker 2: you need to just let this go and move on
Speaker 2: and get out of town. The police, who he's contacted
Speaker 2: and trying to get information, the police are scared and
Speaker 2: they're like, hey, you to drop this and get out
Speaker 2: of town.
Speaker 1: I have some theories. You don't think I just shut
Speaker 1: my theories down. Do you want to hear me? You
Speaker 1: want to hear her?
Speaker 2: After I.
Speaker 1: Think that she was trafficked, and that the go go
Speaker 1: club or the dancer club or whatever, and the biker gang.
Speaker 1: A lot of that makes sense to me, especially with
Speaker 1: what I found about the years of life. I think
Speaker 1: she got into a situation where she ended up being trafficked,
Speaker 1: and this is the early days of being trafficked, and
Speaker 1: so her getting a boyfriend and then a fiance and
Speaker 1: a husband was really inconvenient for her business, or that
Speaker 1: she wasn't you know, a part of willingly likely. But
Speaker 1: to me then that also makes sense why people were saying,
Speaker 1: like let it go. The girls at the club were
Speaker 1: saying to let it go. Police officers might have just
Speaker 1: been doing it to be like due just for your
Speaker 1: own safety, giving even law enforcement the benefit of the.
Speaker 2: Doubt, like just let it go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's the only thing I could think of
Speaker 1: that made this story make any kind of sense. I
Speaker 1: do not think anyone followed her to California. I think
Speaker 1: she also was suffering from some mental health things. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of that was paranoia.
Speaker 2: So Gerald just wants to He tells us that he
Speaker 2: eventually runs out of money and has to go back
Speaker 2: home to Michigan. But so fourteen years later, after all
Speaker 2: of this. He just wants to let her family know
Speaker 2: that what has happened not a mysterious illness. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know if this I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1: Film, right, I asked their hair says, I don't think
Speaker 1: that Robert Stack's intro had anything to do.
Speaker 2: With this story. Yeah, but the pictures being shown is
Speaker 2: her in the hospital bed.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: That's what I thought too, And then when I looked
Speaker 2: at it, it's him. It's the reenactment like stills or
Speaker 2: little video of her in the hospital. Yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense. No, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: And then the kids had an illness that they needed
Speaker 1: answers to so nothing, no, yeah.
Speaker 2: All right, that's where mysteries.
Speaker 1: All right. So he's looking for our family to let
Speaker 1: them know that she's passed on and maybe you get
Speaker 1: some probably information on all these secrets that she had. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the update?
Speaker 2: All right? Kind of found found her ex husband, they say, family. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but so they find out her real name is Edith
Speaker 2: jar Dean John Moore. A few days later, Gerald and
Speaker 2: the step daughters. So her first two kids, Sally and.
Speaker 1: Angel, six children, you guys, by the time she passes away.
Speaker 2: I was good, I was getting there. Sally and Angel
Speaker 2: are the first two girls that Gerald had helped raise.
Speaker 2: They themselves have kids of their own, little kids. They
Speaker 2: meet their natural father, Gary Moore, for the first time
Speaker 2: in many years since they were little. They then find
Speaker 2: out that their mother had been married prior and had
Speaker 2: two other children from a previous marriage, Eugene and Ronda.
Speaker 2: And there you'll be able to tell us little more
Speaker 2: so I found they her find a grave. She wasn't
Speaker 2: twenty two when she passed. There's things saying she was
Speaker 2: twenty eight. But here's the crazy part. Okay, this is
Speaker 2: what I found a hold on. Let me tell you
Speaker 2: what I found and then you can tell me. Because
Speaker 2: there wasn't a lot. It's it was hard. I tried
Speaker 2: to dig into these people. I have that She was
Speaker 2: born January twentieth, nineteen fifty in Georgia, but she was married.
Speaker 2: Her first marriage was Carl Eugene in August of nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty four. That would make her fourteen years old.
Speaker 1: And Carl, what's that?
Speaker 2: And how old is Carl? I don't know twenty one.
Speaker 2: That's disgusting.
Speaker 1: I mean I have different dates than you do.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, but I try. I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: I found this from find a Grave. I looked at
Speaker 2: her on ancestry. Their references is from find the Grave.
Speaker 2: I can't find birth certificates, so I don't know if
Speaker 2: these dates are even correct.
Speaker 1: The dates that I got were from her family at least. Again,
Speaker 1: take this with a grain. Aissa on a message board
Speaker 1: saying that this is the only thing they knew about her,
Speaker 1: because there's two or three message boards about people that
Speaker 1: have seen this that are like, hey, do we ever
Speaker 1: find out any more information about her? And a couple
Speaker 1: of people have come forward. A granddaughter who was actually
Speaker 1: a granddaughter is one of the babies in the re
Speaker 1: enact or is in the reunited part of the thing,
Speaker 1: so she's in the unsolved mystery. She shares a little
Speaker 1: bit of information about what she knew about her grandmother.
Speaker 1: She's at According to her, that she had six children
Speaker 1: by the age of twenty two two, and her first
Speaker 1: husband and her were married, and she gave birth at
Speaker 1: the age of eleven years old and Carl was twenty one.
Speaker 2: Well, and here's my other question.
Speaker 1: She went on to have two other children with Carl's.
Speaker 2: Nephew that's what say. They have the same last name,
Speaker 2: her children's cousin because Carl Eugene Moore. This record says
Speaker 2: that she married Carl Eugene Moore on the fourteenth of
Speaker 2: August nineteen sixty four, and Alderdin, South Carolina divorced him.
Speaker 2: Oh they're right here. Second marriage Gary Thomas Moore, ninth
Speaker 2: of March nineteen seventy two, nephew of first husband Carl
Speaker 2: Eugene Moore. Yep. Disgusting. And then she at Darld Tracy,
Speaker 2: which it appears that this was a legitimate relationship, consensual,
Speaker 2: loved her, she loved him, and they had two children together.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So here's the thing. I don't think that
Speaker 1: the first two baby daddies were actually looking and the
Speaker 1: ones harassing her. What makes more sense to me is
Speaker 1: this girl, potentially either at eleven or fourteen either which
Speaker 1: are absolutely disgusting, was married and pregnant and popping out
Speaker 1: children well while she was still herself a child. I
Speaker 1: think she left those relationships and ran away from whatever
Speaker 1: this toxic little town that she was living in. I think,
Speaker 1: unfortunately she got swooped up into potential trafficking situation to
Speaker 1: just likely.
Speaker 2: It's your probably makes more sense. This girl and that's
Speaker 2: just my Thincond clearly had a terrible yea life, and
Speaker 2: I'm bringing I found her on ancestry dot com. Someone
Speaker 2: has linked parents, but I have no source of it.
Speaker 2: It's not like it's from a census or any type
Speaker 2: of records. And it was her. They're saying her parents
Speaker 2: was Grady our John's and Pearl Daniels who Grady didn't
Speaker 2: die till two thousand and Pearl didn't die till two
Speaker 2: thousand and three. I'm having a hard time. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just but you know how I
Speaker 2: feel about like it's.
Speaker 1: A quote different time or whatever.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm bringing that up is where were.
Speaker 1: Her parents were the parents?
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like, I bring these their LinkedIn ancestry.
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about them, and I don't how
Speaker 2: many these if those were actually.
Speaker 1: Her parents, thoughts about them?
Speaker 2: Well, if that is actually her parents, I don't know
Speaker 2: because I have no I have no actual records. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I like to see something like in a census where
Speaker 2: it says a household and it names that. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: either way kind of solved at least this guy get tragedy.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy raised her children, raised his for him.
Speaker 2: He was a good man, had.
Speaker 1: This blended family. It seems like he went on to
Speaker 1: get married again and still sought to try to connect
Speaker 1: his uh the two kids that raves yeah, to their
Speaker 1: biological family if they wanted to have a relationship with it.
Speaker 1: I did read one of the message boards that after
Speaker 1: that meeting, that family never really had much to do
Speaker 1: with the two daughters.
Speaker 2: Shocking, I know.
Speaker 1: So okay, all right, well we're not gonna get much
Speaker 1: better in the story because next they have to tell
Speaker 1: you a sad, sad story. So this is categories as wanted,
Speaker 1: and it's from a young woman named Lucille Turmail. She's
Speaker 1: a twenty three year old cab driver, which I haven't
Speaker 1: seen a lot of, like female cab drivers. And then
Speaker 1: we're gonna find this is in eighty seven, which I
Speaker 1: thought was kind of like this cool thing to be
Speaker 1: a cab driver and to be young and like living
Speaker 1: in She was a resort town banf Alberta, which is
Speaker 1: in Canada.
Speaker 2: I love the.
Speaker 1: Accents when people. Canadian voices are one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: And all the people interviewed are deep Canadian and I
Speaker 1: was here for it. Yeah, hey, don't you do all right?
Speaker 1: So in nineteen eighty seven, she moves to Banff, Albert,
Speaker 1: Canada to start this new life, and she started to
Speaker 1: work the night shift as a cab driver eight pm
Speaker 1: the night of May sixteenth, nineteen ninety and spends most
Speaker 1: of our night like you would a regular night, picking
Speaker 1: up people in downtown area in the touristy spots, getting
Speaker 1: them back to the hotel safely, YadA, YadA, YadA. At
Speaker 1: the end of the shift, she had taken in just
Speaker 1: over about one hundred dollars. Now, that wasn't her money
Speaker 1: to keep, but back then, cab drivers would keep their
Speaker 1: fair like a like a waitress kind of does, and
Speaker 1: then they would turn that in at the night. So
Speaker 1: they're in communication with the cab company throughout the evening,
Speaker 1: checking in and kind of keeping a running total and
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. So around one forty am
Speaker 1: she arrives at the Works nightclub on Spray Avenue, planning
Speaker 1: to pick up one last fair before calling in an evening.
Speaker 1: While there, she chats with another cab driver. His name
Speaker 1: is Larry, and they have a casual conversation and as
Speaker 1: there've been a conversation, a man and two women enter
Speaker 1: the back of her cab. She says good night to
Speaker 1: Larry calls in her destination to dispatch.
Speaker 2: Bruce.
Speaker 1: About twenty minutes later, Larry contacts Bruce, which I'm gonna
Speaker 1: guess is the dispatch. Oh yeah, destination to her dispatcher
Speaker 1: whose name is Bruce. Twenty minutes later, Larry contacts Bruce
Speaker 1: to see if he had heard from Lucille.
Speaker 2: He had not.
Speaker 1: Bruce asked for her on the radio, but did not
Speaker 1: receive a response. Twenty minutes later, Larry begins to search
Speaker 1: for her. He passes by her known destinations as well
Speaker 1: as her house. It seems like this is a pretty
Speaker 1: small little area, so less than a block away, he
Speaker 1: actually sees her cab drive past him. However, she's not
Speaker 1: the person driving the vehicle. We're about to get after
Speaker 1: another high speed chasier because he flips a U and
Speaker 1: starts following her cab and calling it in and for
Speaker 1: two miles he tailgates the stolen cab while reaching speeds
Speaker 1: of up to almost eighty miles an hour, which back
Speaker 1: then that was pretty darn vest. Finally, he corners the
Speaker 1: cab on a dead end street and an unidentified man
Speaker 1: exit the cab and disappears into the woods. Tragically, as
Speaker 1: the same time as this like high speed chase is happening,
Speaker 1: Zille's body is found in the middle of the street,
Speaker 1: just a few miles from where her cab had been abandoned.
Speaker 1: She had been stabbed repeatedly in the neck. Her murder
Speaker 1: was actually the first to occur in the area and
Speaker 1: over twenty years, and the policeman's interviewed and the Royal
Speaker 1: Mountain Police, I guess is what they're called there and
Speaker 1: saying that since then, no other violent crimes had even occurred,
Speaker 1: So this is very rare occurrence in this area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is the first manner we've had and
Speaker 2: who knows how long twenty years wild?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the killer took only her jacket, wallet and
Speaker 1: about one hundred and thirty bucks from her, and her
Speaker 1: wallet was actually later recovered. When her cab was examined,
Speaker 1: blood was found on the seaked dashboard and steering wheels. Surprisingly,
Speaker 1: though they were able to determine that none of the
Speaker 1: blood in the car actually belonged to her. Eighteen hours
Speaker 1: after the killing, the murder weapon, a kitchen knife that
Speaker 1: had been stolen from a local hotel was found in
Speaker 1: a driveway. This led police to believe that the killer
Speaker 1: maybe from out of town. However, the killer remains unidentified.
Speaker 1: An unknown Caucasian Mail had been seen by another cab
Speaker 1: driver driving her car the night she had died. His
Speaker 1: blood was found in her taxi. He was believed to
Speaker 1: be in his early twenties. Because the murder weapon was
Speaker 1: stolen from a hotel, it's possible he was from out
Speaker 1: of town. Police would also like to locate the three
Speaker 1: people who were the last ones to take the cab
Speaker 1: that evening. They were believed to have been dropped off
Speaker 1: in front of a large apartment complex. Most of its
Speaker 1: renters are people from out of town that are there
Speaker 1: for work. It is believed that they may have seen
Speaker 1: her killer, and that is where unsolved mystery leaves us
Speaker 1: all right up date okay solved. November of nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 1: a man named Ryan Jason Love is arrested and charged
Speaker 1: with her murder. He became a suspect after one of
Speaker 1: his roommates told police that the murder weapon was a
Speaker 1: knife that had belonged to Love. In fact, he had
Speaker 1: previously worked at the band's band Springs Hotel. Police were
Speaker 1: actually able to collect his DNA, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: get into it in a minute, but they ended up
Speaker 1: like befriending him and going undercover for two years because
Speaker 1: they took a bunch of people's DNA and he's the
Speaker 1: only one out of like this list of suspects that
Speaker 1: refuse And I don't know what Canada's laws are, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they must be different a And so they befriended him
Speaker 1: for two years before they were able to collect his DNA.
Speaker 1: I'm like you what it.
Speaker 2: Seems like, Yeah, but in ninety two it wasn't as
Speaker 2: simple as a cup, like you really.
Speaker 1: Needed a hefty amount of DNA.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He blew his nose, which sounds you guys if you
Speaker 1: have a gag reflex like I do. Fast forward a
Speaker 1: few seconds. Blew his nose into a cloth handkerchief and
Speaker 1: threw it on the ground, and the guy picked it,
Speaker 1: picked it up to gag and they were able to
Speaker 1: get DNA.
Speaker 2: Fronder the they opened it up. They opened up this handkerchief,
Speaker 2: they were they swabed it.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to hear me gagging on a podcast microphone.
Speaker 2: Okay, they have filled the whole petri dish of the
Speaker 2: what it was in the Okay, there was a whole
Speaker 2: patri dish of what was in that handkerchief Love was
Speaker 2: eight is a handkerchief or handkerchief handkerchief.
Speaker 1: Love was eighteen at the time of the murder, and
Speaker 1: reportedly killed her because he wanted to impress his relatives
Speaker 1: with a lot of cash at a family reunion he
Speaker 1: was attending the next morning. What a stupid ass reason.
Speaker 1: And I know we don't cast so much, but that
Speaker 1: takes me off.
Speaker 2: That's dumb.
Speaker 1: I agree. This man is garbage.
Speaker 2: He's a murderer, yeah, of us an innocent stranger. Yes,
Speaker 2: not that any murder is good. I'm just saying like.
Speaker 1: Anyways, So he's convicted of sex degree murder. How I
Speaker 1: don't know, and it's given twenty years to life. He's
Speaker 1: actually granted parole in just over twenty years. I do
Speaker 1: know that another country's parole's a lot easier to get
Speaker 1: than it is here in America. So in June of
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six is when he finally confessed. You only
Speaker 1: confessed after all of his appeals had been exhausted. So
Speaker 1: he couldn't even do the right thing and confess upfront.
Speaker 1: So I got some more Informationally.
Speaker 2: He's a douche. If you're listening, dude, you're a douche.
Speaker 1: I hope you stub your pinky toe every morning.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So there was some pushback on how this DNA was
Speaker 1: collected because there it was collected from two different sources.
Speaker 1: There was nosehairs found in the mucus. I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about it too much. And he fought it
Speaker 1: on appeal saying that like they did have the right
Speaker 1: to collect it. And so the judge actually agreed with
Speaker 1: him on the hairs, but didn't exclude the mucus because
Speaker 1: he had thrown it away.
Speaker 2: Throwing it out serious has such a hard time.
Speaker 1: So as a result of the case, the criminal Code
Speaker 1: was actually amended to allow police to obtain DNA samples
Speaker 1: from unwilling subblement stop. In two thousand and one, the
Speaker 1: murder was dramatized on a TV episode program called Secrets
Speaker 1: of Forensic Science, where the version of the name of
Speaker 1: the young girl and it was Maria or Marie. So
Speaker 1: I got this information from a blog and the blog
Speaker 1: is called Canadian tax Driver homicides. There must be a
Speaker 1: lot of homicides for someone. Yeah, I don't know what's
Speaker 1: happening here in Canada, but take care for taxi drive.
Speaker 2: Don't be a texted.
Speaker 1: But this is the only place so I can say
Speaker 1: this is the source that I got this information because
Speaker 1: this blog writer did the work on what this loser
Speaker 1: has been doing since he got out of prison. So
Speaker 1: in early two thousand and one, he broke up with
Speaker 1: his girlfriend.
Speaker 2: Early whoa whoa two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this man was sentenced to life imprisonment in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four with no parole eligibility for twenty years.
Speaker 1: But he was released on the day of his parole
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eleven, and it was only in
Speaker 1: twenty eleven he was released on half day parole, so
Speaker 1: he was like living in a halfway house.
Speaker 2: Only did.
Speaker 1: Seventeen years, and then he transitioned in twenty and twelve,
Speaker 1: so eighteen years into full parole. By twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: his girlfriend broke up with him and he was charged
Speaker 1: with smashing the windows of her car with a baseball bat.
Speaker 1: Not very loving of mister love. So his parole was
Speaker 1: he was a violent man.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: So his parole was suspended but then reinstated in March
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two with special conditions. No further information.
Speaker 1: All those conditions are fast forward to August of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two. During a traffic stop, this slimeball, the slug
Speaker 1: of a man was found with an intoxicated woman in
Speaker 1: an area. He was an intoxicated woman in the area
Speaker 1: known for crime, sustenance abuse, and women who worked in
Speaker 1: sex work, so he got in trouble for that. He
Speaker 1: was then imprisoned and released on one day of parole
Speaker 1: in six months and in April of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: and then f usht forward sorry October twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: the day's parole was extended for another six months. The
Speaker 1: assessment had been determined that he was quote low to
Speaker 1: moder at risk for a violent offending despite having demonstrated
Speaker 1: mixed behaviors while out on parole. So seems like he's
Speaker 1: still a waste of human space.
Speaker 2: I was gonna just keep going around attacking with me
Speaker 2: being a problem, yeah to society, and we're just going
Speaker 2: to keep telling him.
Speaker 1: Yep, don't do that, don't do don't do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even though he's already killed someone.
Speaker 1: He's already demonstrated that he's able to kis him because
Speaker 1: he wanted to show to his family reunion with cash with.
Speaker 2: The hundred bucks. Yeah that's all she had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was so young, pretty, She was in a peaceful, quiet,
Speaker 1: little mountain neighbor that this mountaintown looks amazing. All right,
Speaker 1: Ben has one more story for us. But this is
Speaker 1: going to be no surprise any buddy. That he's completely
Speaker 1: closed his laptop and said it on the ground as
Speaker 1: if he was done for the night.
Speaker 2: I have to get my notes.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be the one hundredth episode without being needing
Speaker 1: to get his notes.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, this is my fourth time trend.
Speaker 1: If you can you imagine if you get locked out
Speaker 1: of your own computer and you shared the one story
Speaker 1: that I did research on without a pass. I did
Speaker 1: an extra story in case you right out of time
Speaker 1: because we barely finished packing. All right, okay, lake.
Speaker 2: Panas so oh man.
Speaker 1: Don't look at me, panasaquana pass. This makes me think
Speaker 1: of the peach dragon.
Speaker 2: Softy pans of so.
Speaker 1: SoftKey panasoftke because this isn't the South, is it French?
Speaker 2: It's in Florida. Oh it's in Florida, all right. So
Speaker 2: Wetlands twenty five square miles, February seventeenth, nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 2: Two teenagers they're hitchhiking along Eye seventy five. As they're hitchhiking,
Speaker 2: they look over. They're passing over a bridge of the wetlands,
Speaker 2: and they look over and they see something in the water.
Speaker 2: It doesn't look good. They call the police. Police go
Speaker 2: out there and they pull out an extremely decomposed body
Speaker 2: of a very young woman. She appeared to be.
Speaker 1: The reenactment, though what it was a styrofoam head that
Speaker 1: they put on a fake body. Did you see it?
Speaker 1: I don't think they were expecting HD to eventually come
Speaker 1: into problems.
Speaker 2: So bad, that's all right?
Speaker 1: How did alligators also not get into this?
Speaker 2: Great question?
Speaker 1: Because in my mind, alligators are a constant problem in Florida.
Speaker 2: Always a problem, all right. They believe that she was
Speaker 2: strangled because there's still a man's size thirty six belt
Speaker 2: around her throat. So they believe she was in her
Speaker 2: late teens early twenties, and the body had been in
Speaker 2: the water, and she'd been dead for at least three weeks,
Speaker 2: if not longer, so it was pretty decomposed, so no one,
Speaker 2: no one comes to claim the body. They are running checks,
Speaker 2: they can't find who she is or identifier. She is
Speaker 2: eventually laid to rest under a small little placard named
Speaker 2: Jane Doe. Okay, ten, that is what I said. That
Speaker 2: was nineteen seventy one. Ten years later, Jamie Adams becomes
Speaker 2: sheriff of Sutner County. He's awesome. Uh. He reads about
Speaker 2: this case and he's extremely disturbed by this case. He
Speaker 2: gets on, he's interviewed. He's like, listen, he's the sweetest one.
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm a dad, I'm a granddaddy.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, called himself was a granddaddy, was a popper.
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, I love this man. And
Speaker 1: he had the most crystal clear blue eyes too.
Speaker 2: He was he's a good man. He says something about
Speaker 2: this case just pulls it as heartstrings. He's like, no
Speaker 2: one here was this girl does? He deserves to be home,
Speaker 2: her family deserves to have this closure. And I want
Speaker 2: to know.
Speaker 1: Even if a Sunday school teacher knew who she was,
Speaker 1: that person deserves like even the smallest impact was made
Speaker 1: on someone's life. By this Jane Doe, I owe it
Speaker 1: to that person to return them.
Speaker 2: I want to find out who she is and make
Speaker 2: this right. So he reopens the case, gets a court
Speaker 2: order and exhumes the body. He hires like one of
Speaker 2: the best doctors around to come and do the autopsy
Speaker 2: because he wants to find out as much as he can.
Speaker 2: He does the autopsy and finds that there had been
Speaker 2: an orthopedic surgery in her ankle and it was the
Speaker 2: Watson Jones technique. So he's like, listen, we found this.
Speaker 2: It's cleared, so you know, he she's had this done.
Speaker 2: Maybe someone can help identify someone knows someone that has
Speaker 2: had this surgery and you know, around this age. That'll help.
Speaker 2: He also hires a lady named Linda Gallineer. She's a
Speaker 2: friend artists. She takes you know, obviously computers not as
Speaker 2: big back then. She takes a picture of the skull
Speaker 2: and she is able to recreate a drawing of this
Speaker 2: girl of what she might have appeared to look at
Speaker 2: to look like at the time. He also then asked
Speaker 2: her to do something that hadn't been done at the time,
Speaker 2: if she could draw age regression drawings, not if we're
Speaker 2: being older, but if her being younger, he tries to
Speaker 2: get her like around ten years old or twelve and
Speaker 2: around five years old, because he says, maybe there's a
Speaker 2: school teacher, a Sunday school teacher, somebody that might recognize
Speaker 2: that photo and help us identify her. He mails flyers
Speaker 2: to over three thousand law enforcement agencies throughout the country
Speaker 2: and Canada. He follows up. He is following up with
Speaker 2: hospitals and trying to find medical records, doing everything he
Speaker 2: can to possibly find out who this girl is. She
Speaker 2: has been dubbed by him and the town as little
Speaker 2: Miss Pence Pence off Key, so they've got a name
Speaker 2: for her. So they think she was five to two,
Speaker 2: around one hundred pounds, possibly twenty years old. She also
Speaker 2: had extensive crowns, caps and fillings done. She maybe was
Speaker 2: a runaway, and they do believe that she'd given birth
Speaker 2: to at least one child. So that's where on some
Speaker 2: mysteries leaves.
Speaker 1: Us Okay, I found this interesting because the orthopedic surgery
Speaker 1: and her amazing dental care shows that she was active
Speaker 1: in society in some way, shape or form. So what,
Speaker 1: if anything, do you have an update for us?
Speaker 2: Oh? I got an update. Okay, all right. October twenty ninth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Oh, we got a fresh boy. She's
Speaker 2: been identifying really yep. I watched them press conference.
Speaker 1: Okay, we were watching earlier when I walked through the
Speaker 1: living room.
Speaker 2: Yep. So this county sheriff never let this story go.
Speaker 2: They did. They tried to do DNA testing in the
Speaker 2: early two thousands. They tried fingerprints again. They every little
Speaker 2: while they tried things with her, got to find out.
Speaker 2: They think that the embalming fluid that they used in
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventy one one threw off stuff. But the
Speaker 2: Sheriff's office got a new system called Storm and it
Speaker 2: was a new fingerprint system and they ran her original
Speaker 2: They were able to get fingerprints when they pulled her
Speaker 2: out of the water, but it wasn't great. So they
Speaker 2: ran those obviously back in the eighties and multiple times,
Speaker 2: but it just never popped. Plus she'd actually this lady
Speaker 2: had actually been arrested years prior, and those fingerprints hadn't
Speaker 2: gotten put into like the new system until like a
Speaker 2: long time. Anyways, she was identified. She technically was identified
Speaker 2: in September, but they came out with the information on
Speaker 2: October twenty ninth. She is known so I'm pulling. I've
Speaker 2: got the news article up as Marine l Minor Rowan,
Speaker 2: known as Cookie. She was a mother of two kids
Speaker 2: and twenty one years old. She was a baby.
Speaker 1: Well, what's crazy is that the guy that examined the
Speaker 1: forensic what do they call the people that look at bones?
Speaker 1: Now it's like leaving my brain. I can't think of it.
Speaker 1: It's not an archaeologist. But anyways, the gentleman that was
Speaker 1: interviewed on self mysteries when they got her re exhumed
Speaker 1: and he examined her bones. I mean he said early
Speaker 1: twenties and had at least had one child.
Speaker 2: Like, that's incredible. He did a good job from bones.
Speaker 2: So the police are Her husband is Charles Emory Rowan Senior.
Speaker 2: They had a tumultuous question for that guy. They had
Speaker 2: a tumultuous relationship. He is a suspect. Unfortunately, he died
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen. I watched the press conference. The police
Speaker 2: don't care that he's dead. They were one of the
Speaker 2: reasons that the press conference is to say, hey, we
Speaker 2: finally found her fifty four years later.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean to this give this woman a name, give.
Speaker 2: Her a name, and they pretty much said, anyone that
Speaker 2: knew her call us. Yeah, And they found her in
Speaker 2: September and when started going around and interviewing people. That's
Speaker 2: how they found him. Who did know?
Speaker 1: Was she from that area?
Speaker 2: That is, she was from Tampa, so not far.
Speaker 1: No, how did no one report this woman missing?
Speaker 2: That is a question everyone has. Obviously the husband, she's
Speaker 2: twenty one, Her kids were clearly done there.
Speaker 1: And they're excluded from that. But not the husband, any
Speaker 1: mother's sister brother, and.
Speaker 2: Hence why he is a I guess they didn't say
Speaker 2: suspect person of interest. Yeah, okay, And so they're still
Speaker 2: investigating this. They haven't let it go, and I think
Speaker 2: that's great. Obviously it is fifty four years later. The
Speaker 2: husband is now dead, but it didn't identify her. That's
Speaker 2: great news.
Speaker 1: It is great news. Good for them for never giving me.
Speaker 2: This is this part that breaks my heart. Okay. September fifteenth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, Sheriff Adams had passed away.
Speaker 1: No, she never got to never got to see.
Speaker 2: But if it wasn't for him, it was.
Speaker 1: Exactly Jane started rolling down a hill because of him,
Speaker 1: and it would have never concluded he.
Speaker 2: Made it a big deal, which kept that case alive,
Speaker 2: and that sheriff's We need.
Speaker 1: Sheriffs like him everywhere because there are unidentified remains, hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands of them across the United States, and it
Speaker 1: takes a sheriff like this to push because the funds
Speaker 1: and the resources and all of the technology is there,
Speaker 1: but it's got to take somebody who gets a fire
Speaker 1: lit under their tushy and decides that they're not going
Speaker 1: to let it go till they get these people named.
Speaker 2: Good for him, it was important to him. He made
Speaker 2: it important for that department, so that department never really
Speaker 2: let it go. Obviously there's only so much they could do,
Speaker 2: but they clearly kept He was.
Speaker 1: An incredible example to that entire department.
Speaker 2: So breaks my heart, But again, if it wasn't for him,
Speaker 2: she would have never been identified. So wonderful that she
Speaker 2: was identified, and that literally less than a year ago
Speaker 2: she was identified and the police are clearly still looking
Speaker 2: into it, and that I mean, I think.
Speaker 1: It's I hope some people come forward because other people
Speaker 1: had to know for a woman to just all of this,
Speaker 1: even if she had to attend church or have.
Speaker 2: Friend if you did know her. The last time you
Speaker 2: saw him was fifty four years ago. Even if you
Speaker 2: were fifteen years old, you were in his sixty seventies. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I don't know. I mean, yes, that appears it
Speaker 2: was her husband. Yes, he never reported or missing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: doesn't identify her.
Speaker 1: Got away with that for his whole life.
Speaker 2: That's what upsets me. Yeh, So he got away with
Speaker 2: it his whole life.
Speaker 1: Did you do any research about how the life you lived? No?
Speaker 1: I hope it was terrible, but all her poor children.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right, well you guys, that is it. That is
Speaker 1: our recap of season five, episode five and episode one
Speaker 1: hundred of.
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Speaker 1: And nineteen years. As Ben said, his contract and obligations
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Speaker 1: bed we'll vet them all right. I have a couple
Speaker 1: of silly would you rather questions before we wrap it up,
Speaker 1: because I'm ready for bed, you're ready for bed, and
Speaker 1: we got to get up early and go on our adventure.
Speaker 1: You guys, I'm excited. We're going on an adventure tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it next week. We when and we
Speaker 1: get back. But I planned a silly road trip on
Speaker 1: our way to this family wedding, and I'm excited because
Speaker 1: I love weird, silly things.
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Okay, So would you rather wear an itchy sweater for
Speaker 1: one hundred days or wet socks for one hundred days?
Speaker 2: Two things I hate? I know I hate them both
Speaker 2: when whenever I get a haircut, if I get warn
Speaker 2: hair in my collar of my T shirt, it's just
Speaker 2: the back of my neck. So sweater's my mother freaking mind.
Speaker 1: Itchy sweater or wet sox?
Speaker 2: Huh. I also hate when my feet get wet. I
Speaker 2: hate it, I know you do. What's it was? The
Speaker 2: wet one? Wet sox? For how long?
Speaker 1: Both for a hundred days? Same time limit.
Speaker 2: I think I'll take the wet sox.
Speaker 1: I think I'd have to take the wet sox, so
Speaker 1: I think I'd get used to that sooner than I
Speaker 1: would get used to an itchy sweater because something. You
Speaker 1: know how I feel about things being on my neck
Speaker 1: too much?
Speaker 2: Oh? I know, I know.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is an easy one. Would you rather eat
Speaker 1: one hundred pieces of broccoli, or have to eat one
Speaker 1: hundred pieces of candy.
Speaker 2: Let's easey candy. Well, I know.
Speaker 1: I think the thing is is that after you're one
Speaker 1: hundred pieces of candy, how would you feel?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: So, but one hundred pieces of broccoli. Maybe the brocket
Speaker 1: doesn't taste good, but I bet you're gonna feel fine afterwards.
Speaker 1: If you have to eat like a hundred Snickers bars
Speaker 1: or one hundred pieces of broccoli, you would vomit.
Speaker 2: So so I went to our search and rescue training
Speaker 2: to try to join the team. I didn't cut I
Speaker 2: didn't cut.
Speaker 1: It, that's right.
Speaker 2: So igot about this story. I bowed out it.
Speaker 1: Ben realized real quick that being at thirty and having someone.
Speaker 2: O hould was thirty six.
Speaker 1: Having people scream in your line.
Speaker 2: I just couldn't cut it.
Speaker 1: Like, I'm not rock up amountain, I'm not ashamed to
Speaker 1: say that sleep deprivation.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not the toughest individual in the world, right,
Speaker 2: And we'd been sleep deprived. So I had bowed out
Speaker 2: one evening and they don't and I was out of state,
Speaker 2: and they're like, well you don't, you can't leave. You
Speaker 2: have to sleep because you haven't slept, and so they're
Speaker 2: not going to let you leave sleep apart.
Speaker 1: They'll do everything else sleep deprived, but they won't let
Speaker 1: you drive back.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm now they move the participants who have
Speaker 2: bowed out into a different area of the people that
Speaker 2: are trying to pass this training, and so we're all
Speaker 2: hanging out. It's now chill because up until this point
Speaker 2: it has been yelling physical activities go. And we've been
Speaker 2: up for.
Speaker 1: Days, not even allowed to use the bathrooms like insane.
Speaker 2: No. I ended up peeing in a ziploc bag at
Speaker 2: one point because that was all I had because I
Speaker 2: had to go to the bathroom like this. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: so I'm about it.
Speaker 1: I was all of a sudden, then you guys were
Speaker 1: all on the same plane field.
Speaker 2: Again, am I heavy cut this out? I'm sitting there
Speaker 2: listening one evening and these guys had come back inside
Speaker 2: from being out there doing all this physical activity like
Speaker 2: training and stuff, and and the only thing we were
Speaker 2: allowed to eat was MRS. But you cannot eat the
Speaker 2: candy in MRS.
Speaker 1: That's the one thing about MRIs is that there's a
Speaker 1: full size.
Speaker 2: There's a full sized candy bar or Skittles or something
Speaker 2: there there is a candy thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. My dad was in the military, and I remember
Speaker 1: like that, being like, if we could get into his MRIs,
Speaker 1: the candy was gone.
Speaker 2: You're not allowed to have that, or the coffee.
Speaker 1: You ha no caffeine, and sounding worse and worse by this.
Speaker 2: So we're listening. We can hear it because we're in
Speaker 2: we're at a military base, and we're in the barracks.
Speaker 2: Military base was I was not in the military, but
Speaker 2: it was. They were letting us use these barracks. I'm
Speaker 2: listening to this because I can hear it. And they
Speaker 2: made these because someone had said to the instructors about
Speaker 2: how we weren't allowed to have candy. So they were like, oh,
Speaker 2: you guys want candy, all right, And they made everybody
Speaker 2: do wall sits, and they passed out candy and made
Speaker 2: these guys eat multiple candy bars and skittle packets while
Speaker 2: doing wall sits and shove it down as fast as possible.
Speaker 2: And the next morning I'm sitting there and a kid
Speaker 2: had bowed out in the morning and he shows up.
Speaker 2: He's like, dude, it was terrible. He's like, I had
Speaker 2: to pound a bag of Skittles while doing a wall sit,
Speaker 2: and then they gave me another thing of candy and
Speaker 2: I had to pound that. He goes it was awful.
Speaker 2: So how do we a candy?
Speaker 1: At first, I'm like, yeah, easy pick, But then you started.
Speaker 2: Thinking when you said it, that's what I was thinking of.
Speaker 1: So what would you do? Broccoli or candy?
Speaker 2: I still do candy. I mean, I guess if there
Speaker 2: was no time limit, I did.
Speaker 1: Can't No, there's no time limit, all right? Would you
Speaker 1: rather sneeze one hundred times in a row or have
Speaker 1: the hiccups for one hundred minutes?
Speaker 2: Cool I? Or know your answer? Hard?
Speaker 1: Pass on the hiccups. You guys know from previous episodes.
Speaker 1: I'm going to do a panic mode when I even
Speaker 1: if someone gets the hiccups around me, I start to
Speaker 1: feel like they're contagious and something terrible might happen because
Speaker 1: I am terrified of giving getting permanent hiccups.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I would choose sneezes because I actually loved
Speaker 2: the feeling of a sneeze after you get it out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love that feeling.
Speaker 1: I do too, all right, if you had to babysit
Speaker 1: one hundred pets or sorry, one hundred dogs or one
Speaker 1: hundred cats. Which one would you choose?
Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh, like cats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot of litter boxes.
Speaker 2: There's my other story. I'm at a guy. He was
Speaker 2: a strange deck. I worked with him for a little bit.
Speaker 2: It was a different agency when we worked together a
Speaker 2: little bit. He had like thirty cats.
Speaker 1: I remember they had like a four bedroom house home
Speaker 1: and telling me.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not making much like you're.
Speaker 1: Selling like little pieces out of time. You didn't even
Speaker 1: get the full story. It was, like I learned today
Speaker 1: this they this is the guy that was turned used
Speaker 1: kiddie pools as litter boxes in his house, right, he.
Speaker 2: That was his aid work. And then they literally spent
Speaker 2: hours changing litter boxes. And they had like a four
Speaker 2: bedroom house and the whole three bedrooms was.
Speaker 1: Cause no, and I love.
Speaker 2: I like cats too.
Speaker 1: I want to own a retirement. But a catterie is
Speaker 1: not thirty cats but in a home, But.
Speaker 2: A hundred dogs are just as bad, if not worse.
Speaker 1: Was that guy a looney tune?
Speaker 2: He was a strange duck. He just was strange. I
Speaker 2: don't know, you know what that was kind of as
Speaker 2: far Once he told me that I would think I
Speaker 2: was in so much shock. I didn't know what follow
Speaker 2: up questions to ask.
Speaker 1: No, man are just terrible at follow up questions. Ben
Speaker 1: will come home and it's like, I see reels about this.
Speaker 1: I was out with my buddy. I found out this
Speaker 1: about him. Oh oh, it's like something crazy, like he's
Speaker 1: getting divorced. Oh to this, like da da da da da.
Speaker 1: No follow up questions have ever been asked in a
Speaker 1: men's conversation to date.
Speaker 2: Ever, No, we don't.
Speaker 1: You have thirty cats and you have no follow up
Speaker 1: questions to that.
Speaker 2: And thirty I'm not that's not even exaggeration. No, I
Speaker 2: know it's not.
Speaker 1: I remember you coming home and telling me this, But
Speaker 1: that's all I know. Exc Cats, one hundred of either
Speaker 1: cats or dogs is going to be a nightmare.
Speaker 2: It's going to stink, but sing to.
Speaker 1: Be nearly as loud. They're a lot smaller, they take
Speaker 1: up less space. I'd pick a hundred cats over the
Speaker 1: same place. Yeah, I think that one hundred cats are
Speaker 1: not going to get along one hundred dogs. They're all
Speaker 1: going to be best friends by the end of like
Speaker 1: day one. I don't know about that. Cat talks are
Speaker 1: much more cats hate each other most of the time.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, everybody, Well that is it. We
Speaker 1: are excited to bring you one hundred episodes of unsolved mysteries.
Speaker 1: They'll never have to look up which one of these
Speaker 1: have been solved and which one of them hasn't. And
Speaker 1: make sure to join us again next week for episode
Speaker 1: one oh one, or Been and I recap another episode
Speaker 1: of Bye