Speaker 1: You know, it's fun to read the newspaper or reads
Speaker 1: the internet for news on what's going on, and sometimes
Speaker 1: it validates material that we have here on the podcast.
Speaker 1: There's an article that came out recently on CNN and
Speaker 1: that validates our recent guest, Michael Kream. Will remember he
Speaker 1: was promoting his book Extreme Human Antiquity, and it looks
Speaker 1: like China has been sitting on a human skull that's
Speaker 1: over one million years old. Let me repeat that, over
Speaker 1: one million years old. And up to that time or
Speaker 1: up till now, at least the oldest human Homo sapien
Speaker 1: skeleton that we've had is about three hundred thousand years old.
Speaker 1: And this is a really, really big indication that we
Speaker 1: need to sit tight when it comes to dates on
Speaker 1: skeletal remains because it looks like it's going to get
Speaker 1: older as well. And this is something that has been
Speaker 1: of great interest to me as well as many other
Speaker 1: people in the Anomalist History segment. Hey, this is clip
Speaker 1: your host of Earth Asients, and we got an article
Speaker 1: that came out just this morning on CNN and I'm
Speaker 1: going to post it on the Facebook page but also
Speaker 1: on notes for this podcast, and what's fascinating. Not only
Speaker 1: it is a modernist skull, but it really validates what
Speaker 1: Michael's been researching. Another thing that is known to most
Speaker 1: people who read Michael's work, especially Forbid in archaeology, is
Speaker 1: a lot of discoveries were made before the turn of
Speaker 1: the century and they were chronicled by early archaeologists who
Speaker 1: wrote articles about bones being found in different strata, some
Speaker 1: of them found in the cold mime and it needed
Speaker 1: to have modern analysis to reveal the true age of
Speaker 1: many of the skeleton remains. But here's what I and
Speaker 1: I'm going to read this to you just a few paragraphs.
Speaker 1: This is the article that came out. This is why
Speaker 1: this is important. A skull unearthed in China challenges the
Speaker 1: timeline of human evolution. Scientists say a badly crushed cranium
Speaker 1: on Earth decades ago from a riverbank in central China
Speaker 1: that once defied classification is now shaking up the human
Speaker 1: family tree. According to new analysis, scientists digitally reconstructed the
Speaker 1: squash skull, thought to be one million years old, and
Speaker 1: its features suggest that the fossil belonged to the same
Speaker 1: lineage as a striking specimen called dragon Man and the Denisovans,
Speaker 1: a recently discovered population of prehistoric humans with murky origins.
Speaker 1: The skull's age and categorization as a early Denisovan ancestor
Speaker 1: would mean the group originated much earlier than thought. The researchers.
Speaker 1: Wider analysis, based on the reconstruction of the more than
Speaker 1: one hundred other skull fossils, has also sketched a radically
Speaker 1: different picture of human evolution, they reported Thursday in the
Speaker 1: journal Science. The results significantly shift the timeline for species
Speaker 1: such as our own Homo sapiens and Homo Neanderthalsals archaic
Speaker 1: humans also lived in Europe and Central Asia before disappearing
Speaker 1: around forty thousand years ago, are known to have lived
Speaker 1: alongside the Dignificence and innerbred with them. This changes a
Speaker 1: lot of thinking because it suggests that by one million
Speaker 1: years ago, our ancestors had already split into distinctive groups,
Speaker 1: pointing to a much earlier and more complex human evolutionary
Speaker 1: split than previously believe, said study co author Chris Springer,
Speaker 1: paleo anthropologist and research leader in human evolution at London's
Speaker 1: Natural History Museum, in an email. So that's about as
Speaker 1: much as I want to read right now, But you
Speaker 1: can read the whole thing if you go to CNN
Speaker 1: and punching a skull unearthed in China, or just go
Speaker 1: to Facebook and you can see all the details under
Speaker 1: Earth ancients. Now, remember the the Vedic history of the
Speaker 1: world is very, very old, and this is why we
Speaker 1: fall on the cyclic history of Earth through the Yugas.
Speaker 1: And if you calculate the Yugas, they go into hundreds
Speaker 1: of millions of years, because there's a continual cycle. And
Speaker 1: so I personally don't have a problem when Michael says
Speaker 1: they have found modern humans to live a million years,
Speaker 1: ten million years, and as much as one hundred million
Speaker 1: years in the past. Because our world is a cycle.
Speaker 1: We develop in some cases to a high degree and
Speaker 1: then we de evolve either through our own huberis could
Speaker 1: be well, could be bombs, could be disease, could be
Speaker 1: some great catastrophe. It could be through outer space some
Speaker 1: form of sun energy release sun spots that are so
Speaker 1: powerful that burns everything on the surface of the planet.
Speaker 1: We don't know, but to say that we're the only
Speaker 1: ones around. We've always been the high the most sophisticated
Speaker 1: people that doesn't really ring well. And here on Earth ancients.
Speaker 1: We find and report on evidence of ancient civilizations that
Speaker 1: were here before us that have left their remains. Now,
Speaker 1: every single week, it seems like I find more evidence
Speaker 1: that the Egyptians, the Pharaohs that are best known, were
Speaker 1: reusing temples and reusing tomb goods and pyramids. We know
Speaker 1: if pyramids were not made for tombs, but if they
Speaker 1: if the pyramids were made one hundred thousand years ago
Speaker 1: the civilization was gone, then whoever came back to the
Speaker 1: area and resettled, they're going to have another purpose for
Speaker 1: the pyramids. They're going to use it for they have
Speaker 1: other needs for it, and eventually the most recent group's
Speaker 1: going to use it for tombs. But this is the
Speaker 1: kind of the theme, is that we're going to have
Speaker 1: to dig a little deeper and be open to the
Speaker 1: possibilities of very early people. And so this is this
Speaker 1: is a fascinating consideration. So check out that article from
Speaker 1: CNN and hold your breath, because I think there's more
Speaker 1: to come. One million year old skeleton. So today's program
Speaker 1: is a continuation of our support for the first International
Speaker 1: Congress of Forbidden History, and we have a guest, Marco Baloni,
Speaker 1: who wrote a book called I Discovered the Real Atlantis.
Speaker 1: He is an Italian scientists and he has written a
Speaker 1: couple of books and written an article that he's presenting
Speaker 1: at the congress. Remember that's October eighteenth of the nineteenth
Speaker 1: in Milan. For more information, go to Eighth Continentgroup dot
Speaker 1: com and they're going to offer a streaming program. I
Speaker 1: think they're only charging five dollars, which is simply amazing
Speaker 1: because that's nothing for two days of presentations. So go
Speaker 1: to the website. Check it out again. It's the first
Speaker 1: International Congress of Forbidden History October eighteenth and nineteenth. If
Speaker 1: you're in Italy, check it out in person. They are
Speaker 1: I think they have seats for a few hundred people.
Speaker 1: So you come, you show up, and you enjoy. So
Speaker 1: we're in support of that program. We've had a couple
Speaker 1: of other people on the show. The founders are our
Speaker 1: friend Raphael Eisman, the historian from Chile, as well as
Speaker 1: some other people. I'd love to have a multi cultural
Speaker 1: presentation on Earth ancients. We have presenters from all over
Speaker 1: the world, and I really think that's important to promote.
Speaker 1: So today's program is I Discovered the Real Atlantis and
Speaker 1: my guest is Marco Belloni. Hey, we're going to be
Speaker 1: in the jungle this December first to the twelfth on
Speaker 1: the Guatemala Sacred Temple Tour, and this is an opportunity
Speaker 1: not only to climb pyramids, but to interact with the
Speaker 1: local shaman in understanding what the Maya were up to,
Speaker 1: their state of mind and ceremony, to connect with the
Speaker 1: sacred temples and pyramids that will interact with. This is
Speaker 1: a chance to not only climb pyramids connect with them,
Speaker 1: but also to take in the spirit and the consciousness
Speaker 1: that is the the genius of the Maya. If you'd
Speaker 1: like to join us, go to Earthancients dot com, forward
Speaker 1: slash Tours and you'll see all the details. To get
Speaker 1: details on the Guatemala tour, send an email to me
Speaker 1: at Earth Ancients the number four of the letter you
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com and join me for a private
Speaker 1: zoom conference with our hosts Lydia and Arturo di Leong. Again,
Speaker 1: the Guatemala tour is December first to the twelfth, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. For more information, go to Earth Agents dot com,
Speaker 1: forward slash Tours or send me an email Earth Agents
Speaker 1: the number four the letter YOUU at gmail dot com
Speaker 1: for a discussion on just what we'll be doing. This
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Speaker 1: of the first International Congress of Forbidden History. It's going
Speaker 1: to be October eighteenth of the nineteenth. It's going to
Speaker 1: be held in Italy. But if you're interested in the
Speaker 1: streaming version, go to Eighth Continentgroup dot com and it'll
Speaker 1: be streamed an available October thirtieth. And this is a
Speaker 1: program that our friend Raphael Eisman along with the team,
Speaker 1: has put together. And my guest today is Marco Bollini.
Speaker 1: He is the author of the Atlantis Libyrinth and this
Speaker 1: is a fascinating book simply because he believes and it
Speaker 1: looks very compelling that he has found the fabled Atlantis
Speaker 1: in the Ice region of Russia. We're gonna hear all
Speaker 1: about it and we're gonna get the details. Marco is
Speaker 1: a nuclear engineer born in Italy and he has had
Speaker 1: a study and an interest in history and archaeology, mythology
Speaker 1: and the history of Atlantis. And he lives in Milan
Speaker 1: and he's coming to us with details of this new
Speaker 1: book he'll be speaking on I can't remember what had
Speaker 1: to ask him the eighteenth of the nineteenth as part
Speaker 1: of this new conference called the First International Congress of
Speaker 1: Forbidden History. So Marco, welcome to Earth the Ancient is
Speaker 1: great to have you on the program.
Speaker 2: Hello everybody, Hello Cleief.
Speaker 1: So tell us a little bit about yourself. How did
Speaker 1: you get interested in Atlantis? It's a myth. We thought
Speaker 1: I was a myth, but you actually may have found it.
Speaker 1: How did you get involved in the discovery of this.
Speaker 2: So, Cliff, Actually, I leaved abroad since I was very young.
Speaker 2: When I was born. I just left Italy and went
Speaker 2: in Jordan. Then I went in Nigerily and then in Pakistan,
Speaker 2: and so I spent the first sixteen years of my
Speaker 2: life abroad. And during these continuous changes in different countries
Speaker 2: and the continents, my father was working for a building
Speaker 2: company and when they were working the ground, many times
Speaker 2: they found many archaeological finding. So the city is under
Speaker 2: the ground. And I was a young boy and was
Speaker 2: fascinated by the fact that the houses were not only
Speaker 2: over the ground, but they were also under and they
Speaker 2: were maybe past a thousands year and nobody knew why
Speaker 2: this happened. So for the whole life I've been fascinated
Speaker 2: by archaeology and mythology. And another important thing that of
Speaker 2: which I was interested is the fact that there is
Speaker 2: a common language between European languages and Indian languages. I
Speaker 2: was able since I was young eighty years old. I
Speaker 2: was able to understand people Pakistani people talking in Urdu
Speaker 2: and I was talking just in Italian, and we were
Speaker 2: able to understand each other. So when I came in Italy,
Speaker 2: then I studied this problem and I found that there
Speaker 2: is an important hypothesis of a common origin of the
Speaker 2: Indo Europeans languages. So the scientists think that there was
Speaker 2: maybe a place, a commonplace in which people were living together,
Speaker 2: or maybe they were just so near and so close
Speaker 2: one to each other that they were able to understand
Speaker 2: each other and the language was just one. This happened
Speaker 2: thousands years ago, but nobody knows where. So I was
Speaker 2: fascinated by these important solution, and so I tried to
Speaker 2: understand or continue to look at new archaeological findings, new
Speaker 2: discoveries in order to study this problem. And during my
Speaker 2: continuous research researches, I found a place in the north
Speaker 2: of Europe which had many interesting and fascinating buildings towers, walls,
Speaker 2: and none of us was able to know this place
Speaker 2: because there are no many tourists going there and visit
Speaker 2: this place. So when I saw these archaeological findings, actually
Speaker 2: I reminded the meat of Athleanties written by Plato, and
Speaker 2: so I started to study it. I used the story
Speaker 2: of Plato, and I divided the story in arguments, and
Speaker 2: for each argument presented by Plato, I tried to understand
Speaker 2: if this place was possible to find what he was looking,
Speaker 2: what it was explaining, And I found so many informations
Speaker 2: that at the end of my studies, after three years
Speaker 2: of studies and for travels done in the place, I
Speaker 2: decided to write a book. So my idea was not
Speaker 2: to study the Atlantis meat, but I have been completely
Speaker 2: fascinated by the place in which I found all these findings.
Speaker 1: So Marco, let me ask you, so, when did you
Speaker 1: begin thinking that Plato's myth of Atlantis was a real place?
Speaker 1: Was it like a five years ago, ten years ago.
Speaker 2: No, during two thousand and seven, so seventeen years ago.
Speaker 1: Seventeen years ago, yes, And in your research you began
Speaker 1: looking for geological locations.
Speaker 2: What was the.
Speaker 1: Compelling evidence that you found in the Soviet region that
Speaker 1: made you think that that was where Atlantis was.
Speaker 2: So the first important thing was the fact that I
Speaker 2: have used that. There were many evidences regarding details described
Speaker 2: by Plato. For example, Plato talks about an acropolis which towers,
Speaker 2: big towers and big walls made of stones. And in
Speaker 2: this place there is a major monastery that the history
Speaker 2: Russian history tells us that have been built by monks
Speaker 2: during the sixteenth century after Christ. And my opinion is
Speaker 2: that the monks actually found the ruins of a presisting
Speaker 2: structure and they just recovered it, so they did not
Speaker 2: build everything from zero, but they found it destroyed. So
Speaker 2: this was my first information and I decided to continue
Speaker 2: that is, using satellite views USINGSA data. So the NASA
Speaker 2: at the time was the only one that was possible
Speaker 2: to use because actually Google did not work so well
Speaker 2: as today. So we using NESA word wind, I analyzed
Speaker 2: all the details of the territory and I found a
Speaker 2: structure which had a central mountain in the middle of
Speaker 2: the island. I measured the dimensions of the island, and
Speaker 2: the dimension were exactly the one described by Plato. Plato
Speaker 2: says that the island had a radius of fifty study,
Speaker 2: which is nine kilometers. According to many measurements, the diameter
Speaker 2: of the island was eighteen kilometers. So this was the
Speaker 2: first important thing. Then I tried to emphasize the structure
Speaker 2: of the territory, and I found also a possible localization
Speaker 2: of the circular rings of which Plato talks about top
Speaker 2: Plato talks about rings of water off the sea and
Speaker 2: of land, and so there is a structure which resembles
Speaker 2: the decision of Plato. But of course the island has
Speaker 2: been destroyed, and so not any place is possible to
Speaker 2: visit to see this symmetrical structure. But in some places
Speaker 2: of the island this is possible. So I continued all
Speaker 2: my researches. I've done a list of hundred items, and
Speaker 2: I went on the island without talking Russia, without talking English,
Speaker 2: because nobody was able to understand anything ex a Russia. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's write people, let's just say where it is.
Speaker 1: It's it's in Solovetski Acapello, which is in uh it's.
Speaker 2: In the middle of the White Sea, the.
Speaker 1: Middle of the White Sea. Yes, and so describe and
Speaker 1: you're doing a good job of it. Describe what Plato
Speaker 1: presents as what uh Atlantis looks like, and the similarities
Speaker 1: of the acapello that you're telling us is Atlantics.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, there are. There are many elements described by
Speaker 2: Plato that can be seen on the island. Of course,
Speaker 2: the first important thing is the presence of this major monastery,
Speaker 2: as I told Plato tsic about the acropolis. On the acropolis,
Speaker 2: Plato talks about the temple devoted to Pos eight on
Speaker 2: the King of the Sea. It gives us some measures.
Speaker 2: He says that the temple of Oozidon was one hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty meters per ninety meters, and these are exactly
Speaker 2: the measurements that you can measure inside in the internal
Speaker 2: part of the acropolis. So there are walls that are
Speaker 2: rectangular and exactly these dimensions. Plato talks about a small
Speaker 2: island in which the king lived, which was five stadia
Speaker 2: diameter less than nine hundred meters, And in the island
Speaker 2: you can find the ruins of walls that are at
Speaker 2: a distance of nine hundred meters from the cropolis. So
Speaker 2: the acropolis was in the center of a very small island,
Speaker 2: which was the King's island. Then a Plata talks about
Speaker 2: a giant island with these circular rings, which was fifty
Speaker 2: stadia in radios, which means eighteen kilometers in diameters, and
Speaker 2: you can measure exactly these dimensions. So there is circulear island,
Speaker 2: which is Solovatski Island, which has this structure and this symmetry.
Speaker 2: Then Plato talks about also represents a giant plane which
Speaker 2: was five thousand stadia per three thousand stadia, which means
Speaker 2: nine hundred kilometers for five hundred kilometers. Most of the
Speaker 2: researchers up to now interpreted these evidence of the plane
Speaker 2: as a giant island. But studying very deeply the description
Speaker 2: of Plato, it is possible to understand that this plane
Speaker 2: was in front of the island. It was not in
Speaker 2: the island, So the island was eighteen kilometers and in
Speaker 2: front of the island was a giant plane of nine
Speaker 2: hundred kilometers. This giant plane is a Karelian plane which
Speaker 2: is near Finland, between Finland and Solavski Island. So there
Speaker 2: are many elements, and of course the dimensions described a
Speaker 2: Plato that can be measured by everybody, so you can
Speaker 2: find many elements that are absolutely coherent with the description
Speaker 2: of Platum.
Speaker 1: Now, one of the things that I found was very compelling,
Speaker 1: are actual ruins You actually show archaeological ruins of buildings
Speaker 1: and things, Yes, and have any of these. First of all,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, how did you get it
Speaker 1: permission to go to Russia as an Italian? Because as
Speaker 1: most people can't go to that part of the world,
Speaker 1: how did you get in?
Speaker 2: No? No, at that time. Actually, now maybe it is
Speaker 2: very difficult to go. I don't know if it is
Speaker 2: simple to enter in Russia. But at that time it
Speaker 2: was possible to visit Russia as a tourist. So my
Speaker 2: visa was just for tourism and just to visit the island.
Speaker 2: So this has been possible. Everybody can go, of course
Speaker 2: and visit it. Another important information is that Solovetski Island
Speaker 2: was the first gulag of the history of Russia. So,
Speaker 2: for example, Alexander s Jenisin has been jailed in Solovetski
Speaker 2: Island and when he wrote Archipelago Gulag, he was talking
Speaker 2: about Slovatski. You can find in his book the same
Speaker 2: photos that I have done in my book, because it
Speaker 2: presents this island as an island in which it's very
Speaker 2: difficult to leave and escape. So this is the reason
Speaker 2: why became the first jail of history of the Russian history,
Speaker 2: and according to me, was exactly the same reason why
Speaker 2: the kings of Atlantis decided to build this structure in
Speaker 2: the island, because it was very difficult to reach it
Speaker 2: in the middle of the White Sea. It is not
Speaker 2: so to arrive.
Speaker 1: So tell us some of the characteristics of Slovsky Island.
Speaker 1: That is, I mean, you've given us a sense of it.
Speaker 1: Where for our listeners, where is it located geologically, geographically,
Speaker 1: geographically in other words, where do we give us some
Speaker 1: landmarks so we can get a sense of where it's
Speaker 1: located in the ocean.
Speaker 2: Yes, you should look at the map of Europe. You
Speaker 2: just go to the north and arrive at the Finland latitude.
Speaker 2: Then you just go a little bit on the right
Speaker 2: you will find a Karelia plane and then the White
Speaker 2: Sea in the middle of the White Sea. Because nobody
Speaker 2: studies the White Sea because it is Russian and is
Speaker 2: not European. So we talk about the giant continent Russia,
Speaker 2: but nobody knows that there is an important sea which
Speaker 2: is in connection with the Arctic Sea in the Barren Sea,
Speaker 2: in the north, so it is these island are not
Speaker 2: far from the polar circle. And this is very important
Speaker 2: in my study because I give an importance to the
Speaker 2: fact that those latitudes during the nights in the winter,
Speaker 2: all the all the stars just rotate all over the horizon,
Speaker 2: so like an umbrella. So this should have fascinated our
Speaker 2: ancestors and maybe decided that that place was a holy
Speaker 2: place devoted to Atlas. The Atlas was the giant who
Speaker 2: sustained the whole heaven. So there are many elements in
Speaker 2: mythology that become maybe a real history in those places
Speaker 2: at those latitudes.
Speaker 1: Okay, you given us a sense of the island according
Speaker 1: to Plato, with the concentric circles, the canals and the
Speaker 1: various landmarks. We're gonna take a short our show break
Speaker 1: to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will
Speaker 1: return shortly with my guest today, Marco Boloney discussing his
Speaker 1: latest book, I Discovered the Real Atlantis. We'll be right
Speaker 1: back earth the Ancients to support and sponsoring the first
Speaker 1: International Congress of Forbidden History, and my guest today, Marco Boloni,
Speaker 1: is one of the keynote speakers. His topic based on
Speaker 1: His research is called I Discovered the Real Atlantis. Tell
Speaker 1: us about the various destructions that are featured in Plato's
Speaker 1: and his work and how that relates to the island.
Speaker 2: Yes, the destruction of Ireland is another controversial element that
Speaker 2: has been studied by researchers up to now, and most
Speaker 2: of the researchers have concluded that the highland was completely
Speaker 2: destroyed and was under the sea, so it was not
Speaker 2: possible to visit it and see it. For example, as
Speaker 2: many researchers decided that Atlas Atlantis was in the middle
Speaker 2: of the Atlantic Ocean, but it was not possible to see.
Speaker 2: Many decided that it was in the Mediterranean and so
Speaker 2: maybe it was Santorini that exploded with the volcano, so
Speaker 2: it is not possible to visit it. But Plato did
Speaker 2: not say this. Plato rights, in need a description of
Speaker 2: the island that the island went under the water, but
Speaker 2: then it appeared again, and Plato says that up today
Speaker 2: it is very difficult to navigate around the island. So
Speaker 2: this means that the island was still present and existed
Speaker 2: when Plato wrote this history. Plato said that on the island,
Speaker 2: nobody was able to live on the island, but only
Speaker 2: bees and animals. So he talks about something which is
Speaker 2: evident and present. Plateau says that are still visible today
Speaker 2: the ruins of all the sanctuaries that have been built
Speaker 2: near the waters. So he talks about something which is visible,
Speaker 2: which is physically present, and it is not under the sea.
Speaker 2: So according to my reconstruction and my idea, the island
Speaker 2: has been destroyed, but a giant tsunami, probably arriving from
Speaker 2: the Barren Sea, so the north the Arctic Sea entered
Speaker 2: in the canal that connects the Y Sea with the
Speaker 2: Barren Sea, and there's been a completely destroyed. So those
Speaker 2: who saw the island they exactly so that the island
Speaker 2: went under the water, but then the island was able
Speaker 2: to come up again, completely destroyed. And if you just
Speaker 2: look at the Solovetski shores, they are completely destroyed. You cannot.
Speaker 2: It is very difficult to make a tour around the
Speaker 2: Solovetzki island. You have to take hours and hours because
Speaker 2: it is full of mens, so it is not very
Speaker 2: simple to Also, the island is full of marches. There
Speaker 2: are more than six hundred lakes, so this means that
Speaker 2: the island has been destroyed exactly as Plateau said, but
Speaker 2: it is still visible today.
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about the dating. Most people believe
Speaker 1: that the destruction of Atlantis was around nine five hundred BC,
Speaker 1: twelve years ago. Your dates are much more recent. Talk
Speaker 1: about those dates.
Speaker 2: According to me, this has been another important mistake made
Speaker 2: by researchers before my studies, because when Plato talks about
Speaker 2: the destruction of the island that happened nine thousand years
Speaker 2: before he knew the story, we should understand that nine
Speaker 2: thousand years ago, let's say, or maybe before plato description,
Speaker 2: there were no metals, so there was no gold, there
Speaker 2: was no bronze, copper, tea, the human being was not
Speaker 2: able to use these elements. Plato talks about horses. Nine
Speaker 2: thousand years before his description, nobody was able. No human
Speaker 2: being was able to use horses. And so there is
Speaker 2: a miss match between the nine thousand years described by
Speaker 2: Plato and all the other elements of his history. So
Speaker 2: my interpretation is that there has been a mistake when
Speaker 2: this story has been transferred from those who who visited
Speaker 2: the island, and so that the island was destroyed, then
Speaker 2: they talked to the Egyptians. Then the Egyptians presented this
Speaker 2: history to the Plato ancestor. Then Plato studied and wrote
Speaker 2: the description of the destruction. There has been many persons
Speaker 2: and people that understood the different things, and so the
Speaker 2: nine thousand years actually must be considered nine thousand periods
Speaker 2: of time. If we considered periods of time, we can
Speaker 2: interpret the period of time as a lunar month and
Speaker 2: not a solar ear. So if we consider lunar months,
Speaker 2: we can calculate the destruction of the island happened between
Speaker 2: the fourteenth and the thirteenth century before Christ and it
Speaker 2: was a very important period because in that period we
Speaker 2: registrate register the transition between the Bronze Age and the
Speaker 2: Iron Age, and Plato talks about the presence of bronze
Speaker 2: in Atlantis, but not about iron. So it is very
Speaker 2: important because this means that this period of time is
Speaker 2: coherent with many other elementars of his descriptions. And it
Speaker 2: is not completely impossible. Let's say it is possible, probable,
Speaker 2: and so this must be proved of course.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now there's a lot of speculation about the location
Speaker 1: of Atlantis. Charles Hapgood, in his Maps of Ancient Sea Kings,
Speaker 1: believes that the location of the island shifted during this
Speaker 1: geological event that was a catastrophe where asteroids came and
Speaker 1: destroyed not only Atlantis, but a lot of other locations
Speaker 1: and moved it from the Pacific to he believes itself
Speaker 1: it's Antarctica. Are you saying that the location of your
Speaker 1: Atlantis has always been there or did it change?
Speaker 2: It was exactly in the same position that's been destroyed
Speaker 2: because it was made of grounded and so it was
Speaker 2: very simple to destroy Atlantis with a giant tsunami. But
Speaker 2: it never changed. So the position of the island was
Speaker 2: exactly the same.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about in chapter seven, you have the
Speaker 1: constructions of the island, and do we see the foundations
Speaker 1: of buildings and towers and things that are ancient they've
Speaker 1: just been built over? To talk about what we see?
Speaker 1: What do we see now?
Speaker 2: Yes, in the book, I will present more than two
Speaker 2: hundred photos of the places, and in particular I present
Speaker 2: these all the structures or the buildings, all the houses
Speaker 2: may that have been built in the island have foundations
Speaker 2: that are made of giant rocks. And so, according to
Speaker 2: my opinion, the foundations are very old. They belong to
Speaker 2: the period of Atlantis, and they have been just used
Speaker 2: again in the last centuries in order to build houses.
Speaker 2: So when you go around you see places that recall
Speaker 2: you ball back, for example, with rocks of tones and
Speaker 2: tones that, according to my opinion, cannot be used. The
Speaker 2: monks during the sixteenth century after Christ should have not
Speaker 2: been able to build a giant structure like this. It
Speaker 2: wasn't it is unusual. They were alone. They were just
Speaker 2: therefore praying the whole day. They were very a number
Speaker 2: of a few number of monks, So they should have
Speaker 2: not done this effort. And this effort must have been
Speaker 2: done by some body who will considered this island very
Speaker 2: holy island for religious thinking, and so they have done
Speaker 2: an effort, enormous effort. But everybody can see and visit
Speaker 2: the place. For example, if you just connect yourself with
Speaker 2: the Google max On Solovetski and you see the voters
Speaker 2: that are you will be fascinated by the fact that
Speaker 2: these ruins are incredible.
Speaker 1: Have any archaeological digs been done to the island or
Speaker 1: any studies from archaeological institutions.
Speaker 2: Yes, I during my expeditions in the island, and I've
Speaker 2: made four expeditions In several years, I've done many interviews
Speaker 2: to archaeologists, not only on the island on Slovesti Island,
Speaker 2: but also in Saint Petersbush Saint Petersburg, because it was
Speaker 2: for me very important to understand what the archaeologists think
Speaker 2: about this place and what they have found. The most
Speaker 2: important thing is that Russian archaeologists, archaeologists in the last
Speaker 2: thirty years of discoveries, have found something like fifty thousand
Speaker 2: archaeological findings, pieces of glass, of pottery and so on.
Speaker 2: They have found also tombs, but none of these fifty
Speaker 2: thousand elements were found in the middle of the island.
Speaker 2: So in the place in which I consider the real Atlantis,
Speaker 2: with the circular rings of eighteen kilometers diameters, they found
Speaker 2: all the archaeology findings outside these and in the island
Speaker 2: near Solavatski Island. So this is, according to me, the
Speaker 2: most important information that I had from archaeologist, because it's
Speaker 2: the proof that ancient people were not able to not
Speaker 2: allowed to enter in the island, exactly as Plato said.
Speaker 2: Plato said that Posidon created the island and make these
Speaker 2: circular rings in order to avoid everybody to enter in
Speaker 2: the Holy island. So this has been proved by archaeologists undirectly.
Speaker 1: Let's say, okay, interesting, you describe what you say is
Speaker 1: the island of the king, and you have a chapter
Speaker 1: where you detail where the king of Atlantis lived in
Speaker 1: an acropolis with defensive walls, towers and doors. Where's that located.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is locate not far, very very close to
Speaker 2: the most important and giant island of eighteen kilometers in diameter,
Speaker 2: and it is very near and it is exactly the
Speaker 2: place in which the major monastery was built by monks.
Speaker 2: Or let's say that history Russian history says that the
Speaker 2: monks built this giant monastery with six towers and the
Speaker 2: walls and the giant walls. Inside in the monastery there
Speaker 2: are many churches. There are four different churches, and this
Speaker 2: is impressive because the churches as one connected to the
Speaker 2: other with enormous spaces. Inside the monastery there is a
Speaker 2: single room of five hundred square meters with a single
Speaker 2: column in the middle which for the roof. So let's
Speaker 2: imagine a few monks during the sixteenth century after Christ
Speaker 2: maybe there were twenty to thirty that built a room
Speaker 2: of five one hundred square kilometers. It is absolutely incredible
Speaker 2: these situation and so according to my reconstruction, this was
Speaker 2: the place in which the ten kings of our plant
Speaker 2: is has a plateau sails and wrote meet each other
Speaker 2: every seven years, and they were able to reinforce their empire.
Speaker 2: And so it is a completely different story. It is
Speaker 2: not the history that up to now is the official
Speaker 2: history of Russian archaeologists. But many things should be understood
Speaker 2: and evaluated.
Speaker 3: According to me, what what skeletal remains have we discovered,
Speaker 3: what artifacts have been discovered, if there's been some archaeological digs,
Speaker 3: and the other question I would have.
Speaker 1: Is there a museum in that area? Talk about what
Speaker 1: they've discovered, because if you believe it's Plato Plato's fabulous Atlantis,
Speaker 1: the artifacts are going to be pretty sophisticated.
Speaker 2: Oh, let's say, as what I've seen are not sophisticated
Speaker 2: archaeological finds. The Russian archaeologists are find, for example, boats
Speaker 2: made of skin, and they have reconstructed the boat and
Speaker 2: have confirmed the fact that the populations of three thousand
Speaker 2: years ago were able to leave the White Sea shores
Speaker 2: and reach the island very simply during one day. So
Speaker 2: this is very important because it is a proved that
Speaker 2: the island was inhabited by populations that were arriving from
Speaker 2: the shores. These populations were just arriving during the summer,
Speaker 2: so the good weather, not during the winter. And so
Speaker 2: this is another important fact because as I told you,
Speaker 2: in the middle of the island, so in this enormous
Speaker 2: eighteen kilometers diameters circular island, they did not find anything.
Speaker 2: But only on the island near the Solovski Island they
Speaker 2: have found many potteries and they also recently they have
Speaker 2: found a very interesting archaeological tool, which was a very
Speaker 2: small doll, the grandmother doll. Let's say, this means that
Speaker 2: this island was devoted to fertility, because somebody right there
Speaker 2: and left this doll that was made somewhere else. I
Speaker 2: have studied the findings of the in Sloveskia found in
Speaker 2: Slovestia island, and I have compared them with many other
Speaker 2: European cultures, trying to understand which were the people that
Speaker 2: were in contact. And I have found every decease in Austria,
Speaker 2: for example, at the end of the Danube. So I
Speaker 2: decided I concluded that those people were able to pass
Speaker 2: from one place to another very quickly by using boats
Speaker 2: and by using the big rivers that are present in
Speaker 2: the Russian territory and the European tarrety. From the Duana,
Speaker 2: they were able to arrive in the Black Sea. From
Speaker 2: the Black Sea, they were able to go to the
Speaker 2: north using other big seas like the Niepre and and Volga,
Speaker 2: and so they were able to arrive also to the
Speaker 2: White Sea. So they were people able to transfer themselves
Speaker 2: in very few times. Let's say they were not walking,
Speaker 2: but they were using boats. And this is an important
Speaker 2: evidence because the archaeological finders are exactly the same found
Speaker 2: in the same period of time in Europe.
Speaker 1: Okay, I want you to talk a little bit more
Speaker 1: about the acropolis, because this is an important area that
Speaker 1: is equipped with you describe towers and gates that work
Speaker 1: with the sea. So how does that tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit more detail about the acropolis.
Speaker 2: Yes, so today the acropolis, so the major monastery, is
Speaker 2: in connection with the whole rest of the island. But
Speaker 2: according to me, since the island has been destroyed by
Speaker 2: a giant tsunami, a lot of ground has been transferred
Speaker 2: and so actually now the island, the little island is
Speaker 2: not very simple to see, but we can reconstruct the
Speaker 2: place in which the small island was. There are towers
Speaker 2: that are enormous towers, more seventeen meters and larger more
Speaker 2: than six at the basis. They are completely empty inside,
Speaker 2: and they are exactly the same towers that we can
Speaker 2: find in Sardinia, the Nuragi. So they have been built
Speaker 2: exactly with the same architecture. And maybe this is the
Speaker 2: proof that there was a link between Sardinia and between Atlantis.
Speaker 2: But Plato says this because Plato, when talks about the
Speaker 2: Empire of Atlantis, said that the empire was enormous and
Speaker 2: was extended from Asia until Libya and Tyrania. So Tyrania
Speaker 2: is the sea in front of Sardinia. So according to me,
Speaker 2: Plato was right even when he was talking about the empire,
Speaker 2: there was a link between those who lived in Asia
Speaker 2: and those who were living in the middle of the Mediterranean.
Speaker 2: Up to now. You can see that the water enters
Speaker 2: in the major monastery, and there is a mill inside
Speaker 2: the major monastery, and the Plato talks about the fact
Speaker 2: that the kings of Tlenties were able to use baths
Speaker 2: inside the acropolis, so water was very abundant and still
Speaker 2: now you can find this water. Regarding the gates, it
Speaker 2: is they are very original because it is the entrance
Speaker 2: of the monastery. There are big gates made of of
Speaker 2: stone that can just go down, shift down and close
Speaker 2: completely the entrance. And it is a structure which is
Speaker 2: very very original. It is a sort of mili right defense.
Speaker 2: So once more, it sounds to me very strange that
Speaker 2: some monks have made this building so sophisticated with this
Speaker 2: defensive structure.
Speaker 1: We're going to pause for a break to allow our
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Speaker 1: my guest today, researcher, writer and investigator Marco Baloney, coming
Speaker 1: to us from Italy. Will be right back. My guess
Speaker 1: today is Marco Beloni. He is discussing his belief in
Speaker 1: a true Atlantis in a location known to us as Russia,
Speaker 1: and we're getting a sense of just what he's discovered.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because when I think of what
Speaker 1: Plato wrote about Atlantis, I think of a technologically advanced
Speaker 1: culture with pyramids, with special types of armaments, with machines
Speaker 1: of some kind, and what you describe in this part
Speaker 1: of Russia seem very rudimentary. Is there anything that you
Speaker 1: would say is highly technical, very advanced that is remaining.
Speaker 2: Look, look, Plateau talks about the army of the Atlantics Empire,
Speaker 2: and he talks about very simple arms. He doesn't talk
Speaker 2: about giant machines or sophisticated machines. They were just normal
Speaker 2: people and nothing is strange. What is strange is the
Speaker 2: fact that they have done structures of towers and the
Speaker 2: walls so enormous and so impressive that have been able
Speaker 2: to survive for three thousand years. So, according to me,
Speaker 2: the advantage of this population was the possibility and the
Speaker 2: ability of built enormous giant structures for defensive reasons. So
Speaker 2: in this in this way, they were absolutely the first
Speaker 2: maybe advantage, and they had many advantages respect to other populations.
Speaker 2: So this is the advantage that I can measure looking
Speaker 2: at the acropolis. Now, Yeah, and you you blend the
Speaker 2: defenses of different annulal rings of water and then walls
Speaker 2: of ground and of rocks, then also again water, So
Speaker 2: they were able to use natural elements in order to
Speaker 2: defense their cities and also the king. So this is
Speaker 2: very absolutely an advantage.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The archipela is made up of little islands and land forms.
Speaker 1: You have a chapter called the concentric Circles. Talk about
Speaker 1: what you discovered which makes you think this is Atlantis
Speaker 1: with what is left of these concentric circles that Plato describes.
Speaker 2: Yes, and during my study, as I told you, I
Speaker 2: have used the Naza data in order to reconstruct the island.
Speaker 2: So we have emphasized the dimension, the horizontal dimension of
Speaker 2: the data, and using this amplification of the territory, we
Speaker 2: have been able to find in the north west part
Speaker 2: of the island the possible existence of the annular rulings
Speaker 2: of water, of which platotalques. Of course, it is only
Speaker 2: a sort of undulation of the terrain. It is not
Speaker 2: very evident because now the island has modestis hundred lakes.
Speaker 2: It is full of big trees higher than thirty meters,
Speaker 2: so it is full of marches. It's very difficult to
Speaker 2: explore the island. So it is I have been able
Speaker 2: to reach the highest point of the island in the
Speaker 2: middle of that which is a very low hill of
Speaker 2: eighty meters, from which it is possible to see the
Speaker 2: whole island alone. But I spent ten hours of with
Speaker 2: my legs and with a Russian guide in order to
Speaker 2: reach the center of the island. So for sure there
Speaker 2: was an annular structure, and for sure there was this
Speaker 2: there were these concentric rings. And another important reconstruction that
Speaker 2: I've done is that Plateau talks about a giant wall
Speaker 2: that have been built all around the island at fifty
Speaker 2: stadia of distance from the center of the island, which
Speaker 2: is nine kilometers, And it is possible to see that
Speaker 2: one part of the island which was on the opposite
Speaker 2: side of the tsunami where the tsunami arrived, that part
Speaker 2: is exactly at nine kilometers from the center of lines.
Speaker 2: So there are many elements that convinced me that there
Speaker 2: was a structure with annual rings in this island.
Speaker 1: Okay, how do we know, I mean, this tsunami you
Speaker 1: keep talking about must have been a mile high or
Speaker 1: something huge. How do we know it was a tsunami?
Speaker 1: Is there evidence on the what is remaining of the
Speaker 1: island of tsunami?
Speaker 2: Is no, There is no evidence from up to now
Speaker 2: from archaeological point of view. But I have found a
Speaker 2: geological map, and I found it in Romania. So I
Speaker 2: try to contact all the scientists that are able to
Speaker 2: study and visit the island, and Romanian geologists may send
Speaker 2: me a map in which it's possible to see that
Speaker 2: there is a difference of geological structures of the island,
Speaker 2: which is very Let's say the ground on the side
Speaker 2: of the tsunami is completely different from the ground on
Speaker 2: the opposite side where the tsunami will like. So this
Speaker 2: means that the tsunami erased the island. And there are
Speaker 2: different stratifications that could be due to the tsunami. But
Speaker 2: we have two uh convalidate this study. This my hypothesis.
Speaker 2: This I need to take a geologist on the island
Speaker 2: and study this possibility.
Speaker 1: It's interesting though, because you actually show in your book
Speaker 1: satellite images of the island and you compare it with
Speaker 1: early representations of Atlantis, and they looked pretty close. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing, pretty amazing. I want you to describe something.
Speaker 1: You call it what Plato didn't know. This is a
Speaker 1: chapter eleven and you you you talk about an immense labyrinth. Yes,
Speaker 1: where was the Where was the labyrinth?
Speaker 2: So the Plato talks about a giant island made of
Speaker 2: circular rings, which were rings of water and off ground
Speaker 2: of eighteen kilometers. Then Plato talks about a giant canal
Speaker 2: that was connecting the center of the island with the sea,
Speaker 2: which was nine kilometers long. And when I went to
Speaker 2: visit Solovetski Island for the first time, I was together
Speaker 2: with my daughter Alich, who at the age of fourteen,
Speaker 2: decided to come with me because she was afraid that
Speaker 2: I was not able to come back from Russian so
Speaker 2: she said, hey, I come with you because I want
Speaker 2: to help you come. So we were together visiting the
Speaker 2: island for the first time, and we arrived in a
Speaker 2: very small island near Solovetzi, which is called the Zayatsky Island.
Speaker 2: On this Zayahsky island, there is a concentration of labylinths
Speaker 2: made of stones, so there are many circlear rings around
Speaker 2: a center, and they are very numerous, more than thirty labyrinths.
Speaker 2: Nobody understand why, because there are no labyrinths on solvate
Speaker 2: Ski Island, which is a giant island of more than
Speaker 2: two hundred kilometers, and there are thirty labyrinthes in this
Speaker 2: very small island, which is less than ten kilometers now,
Speaker 2: so when I saw these labyrinthes, I was fascinated. But
Speaker 2: the biggest one. The two that are the biggest and
Speaker 2: also considered the oldest one because they entrance. The entrance
Speaker 2: of the libyrinth is exactly oriented as the canal Dolgaya Canal,
Speaker 2: which is the canal which makes a connection between the
Speaker 2: sea and the center of the Solovetski Island. And so
Speaker 2: in the center of the labyrinth is a lot of
Speaker 2: there are a lot of tones stones representing a mountain
Speaker 2: in the middle, and so according to my interpretation, this
Speaker 2: was the representation of the island Atlantis when after its destruction.
Speaker 2: What I think is that people were arriving on the
Speaker 2: island only during the good season, and when they arrived
Speaker 2: the season after the destruction, they found the island completely destroyed,
Speaker 2: and so they just represented the island as it was before.
Speaker 2: So they built these giant libraries in order to let
Speaker 2: us know how Atlantic Island was, and so this is
Speaker 2: what the plateau did not know. So the connection between
Speaker 2: the single rings annual rings of land and water create
Speaker 2: a labyrinth, a structure which was very difficult to reach
Speaker 2: the center of the island. So it was much more
Speaker 2: difficult than single circular rings. It was a la labyrinth
Speaker 2: with clockwise and counterclockwise movements. But the labrary I tried
Speaker 2: to represent and fit the the image of Slovetski Island
Speaker 2: with my reconstruction, and it fits very well. So there
Speaker 2: is a representation that seems to really a good representation.
Speaker 2: And another important thing is that in the middle of
Speaker 2: those labyries, Russian archaeologists found arrows that were all of
Speaker 2: three thousand years old, so they I think that these
Speaker 2: hours have been used during the first millennium before Christ,
Speaker 2: which is not far from the date that I consider,
Speaker 2: which is the date of the destruction of Atlantis. So
Speaker 2: I think that also this element is very interesting and
Speaker 2: important and give support to my hypothesis.
Speaker 1: The books called the Atlantis Labyrinth. My guest today has
Speaker 1: been Marco Boloni. He is going to be featured at
Speaker 1: the first International Congress of Forbidden History. It's going to
Speaker 1: be October eighteenth and nineteenth in Italy. For all the
Speaker 1: details and to learn more about this presentation that Marco
Speaker 1: will be presenting, go to Eighth continentgroup dot com and
Speaker 1: you'll see the details as well as the presentation. As
Speaker 1: we conclude, Marco, has there been any writing that's been found,
Speaker 1: any kind of books or manuscripts, or courtsies or anything.
Speaker 1: I guess it's a sense of writing.
Speaker 2: Yes, up to now we don't have this evidence. But
Speaker 2: all the Russian archaeologists send all their findings to Saint
Speaker 2: Peter books, and these are inside an enormous quantity of
Speaker 2: boxes in the underground of the museums, and so nobody
Speaker 2: knows what there is inside the box because they don't
Speaker 2: have time or money to study these findings. So we
Speaker 2: should maybe find some archaeologists and some interested in researchers
Speaker 2: and start to collaborate with Russians and try to understand
Speaker 2: what really happened on this island.
Speaker 1: Have you spoken to any Russian archaeologists who feel similar
Speaker 1: to what you feel, that this is perhaps the fabled Lattice.
Speaker 2: No, but I presented my hypothesis to an archaeologist and
Speaker 2: he is convinced that some parts of the island are artifacts,
Speaker 2: artificial parts. So there are huge constructions that seem not
Speaker 2: to be natural but built by humans, which is the problem.
Speaker 2: The problem is that the Russian history says that monks
Speaker 2: built everything in that place of the world, So even
Speaker 2: if we think that somebody have done something else, it
Speaker 2: will be very difficult to prove it. And so we
Speaker 2: need a lot of courage in order to go on
Speaker 2: and find the real event of the situation and who
Speaker 2: built what. But I am sure that somebody is interested
Speaker 2: in my works and we would like to be more
Speaker 2: free to go on and continue our researches.
Speaker 1: So if you were to go to that part of
Speaker 1: the world today, would you have free access as an
Speaker 1: Italian citizen or would you have to have special visa?
Speaker 2: No, I will be free, as I think as any
Speaker 2: kind of Italian. Of course, I could not ask any
Speaker 2: kind of research archaeological research. I can only visit the
Speaker 2: place and make some photos and interview people, but I
Speaker 2: cannot study the situation. So what the big effort would
Speaker 2: be to organize an international research with different special and
Speaker 2: start to work with Russians. So this would be my dream.
Speaker 2: Let's say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fantastic Marco, thank you very much for presenting this material.
Speaker 1: This book is amazing. The Atlantis Labyrinth. What day are
Speaker 1: you speaking? Are you on the eighteenth or the nineteenth
Speaker 1: of October? Is your president?
Speaker 2: Yes on the eighteen Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, fantastic, Well continued success on this book. For those
Speaker 1: of you listening, The book's going to be out in
Speaker 1: the middle of October and English, and Marco has assured
Speaker 1: me it will be available on Amazon. Is that correct? Yes, yes, correct, fantastic.
Speaker 1: Thank you Marco, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you to your cliff and see you soon. Thank you,
Speaker 2: Bye bye.
Speaker 1: I'm going to place a number of photographs from the
Speaker 1: book on the Facebook page because the book is not
Speaker 1: out until the fall. The Italian version is out. I
Speaker 1: have the copy of the Italian version, but some of
Speaker 1: the photographs are very intriguing. You know, you got to
Speaker 1: wonder if Atlantis was big enough as a continent and
Speaker 1: actually broke up. So many theorists believe that the Antarctica,
Speaker 1: which is a huge island continent, is the remains of Atlantis.
Speaker 1: Charles Hapgood, I think Graham Hancock, I think John Anthony West.
Speaker 1: But what Marco has presented is another version of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, what he lays out is compelling. And one
Speaker 1: of my big criterias regarding like this Northern African settlement
Speaker 1: or geographic placement is that there's no ruins in this situation.
Speaker 1: Marco has evidence of ruins. He shows foundations, he shows
Speaker 1: partial towers, there's a lot of things. A question, you know.
Speaker 1: I think he does a good job preparing us for
Speaker 1: his hypothesis with illustrations with photos, but I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's hard to say. It's a fun consideration. Good to
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