1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Hey, Dira, thanks for coming on men with Chess. I 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:04,679 really appreciate it. How you doing tonight? 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,719 Speaker 2: Doing well? Doing well? Busy, busy time, a lot of 4 00:00:07,799 --> 00:00:10,640 the debates going on, trying to organize a lot of stuff, 5 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,320 trying to finish my second book. But I'm glad to 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,439 be here. I'm honored. 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,719 Speaker 1: Excellent. Yeah, I heard you have a big debate coming 8 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,120 up tonight on Warski Live with an unnamed big YouTuber. 9 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:22,800 Is that right? 10 00:00:23,719 --> 00:00:27,079 Speaker 2: Well, I haven't heard back yet from Andy. I heard 11 00:00:27,079 --> 00:00:29,320 from him a week ago and he said he would 12 00:00:29,359 --> 00:00:32,560 try to get it arranged tonight. But I texted him 13 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,479 today and he hasn't responded yet. I don't know. Oh wow, 14 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,560 not for sure, but keeps getting postponed, so hopefully it'll 15 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:40,320 happen eventually. 16 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: Gotcha all right? Well, I hope they go through. I 17 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:44,679 look forward to listening to it. 18 00:00:45,439 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: Man, I'm excited to debate. I got a big atheist, 19 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:50,880 and I think some people have already figured out who 20 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,840 it is. It's not step On, it's not Sticks, it's 21 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,439 not Jordan Peterson, so that only leaves a handful of other. 22 00:00:59,119 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: Well, I was kind of hoping you were going to 23 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,119 do a seance and debate Christopher Hitchins. 24 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 2: Actually, I don't think I'm not trying to be offensive 25 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,120 to this person, but I don't think he's not really 26 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,840 known as being an intellectual atheist. He's more of just 27 00:01:16,879 --> 00:01:24,400 a vocal kind of a flamboyant more so than a 28 00:01:25,599 --> 00:01:27,200 like a PhD or something. 29 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: Gotcha? Okay, well, I look forward to it. I heard 30 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,319 your debate with Nicholas Fuentes, and I thought that was 31 00:01:34,439 --> 00:01:38,680 very entertaining, and so I respect your debate skills, that's 32 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:39,079 for sure. 33 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,159 Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I've yet to lose a debate. 34 00:01:42,239 --> 00:01:46,599 Speaker 1: Actually, all right, Well, for those of you who don't know, 35 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,319 Jay Dyer's website is jasanalysis dot com. He's the author 36 00:01:51,359 --> 00:01:56,280 of Esoteric Hollywood Sex, Cults and Symbols and Film Jay, 37 00:01:56,319 --> 00:01:57,799 what else do you want us to know about you? 38 00:02:00,239 --> 00:02:04,079 Speaker 2: I am the I run Jason Elis, as you said, 39 00:02:04,079 --> 00:02:06,439 but I also do a subscription service there. That's kind 40 00:02:06,439 --> 00:02:10,039 of the main means of how people interact with my 41 00:02:10,159 --> 00:02:14,240 work is through the articles and the videos and subscribing 42 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,879 to educational content basically, so there's a lot of lectures 43 00:02:17,879 --> 00:02:23,439 on philosophy, history, theology, geopolitics, book reviews, and I've been 44 00:02:23,479 --> 00:02:25,039 doing that for I guess about a year and a 45 00:02:25,039 --> 00:02:28,199 half or two years now, So that's one way to 46 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,840 access my material. And I also am the co creator 47 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:35,120 and co presenter of the television show Hollywood Decoded on 48 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,879 Guy at TV, which is accessible through Exfinity and Amazon 49 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,080 Prime and all that stuff. 50 00:02:40,719 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: Oh awesome. Yeah, I watched that episode you sent to 51 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,479 me on Lord of the Rings. This fascinating stuff. I 52 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,159 thought that was really great. Kind of a cult or 53 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:51,759 symbolic Ciskel and Ebert. 54 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,159 Speaker 2: I guess you could say, yeah, yeah, we try to 55 00:02:54,199 --> 00:02:57,400 say Cisco and Ebert on acid or Cisco and Neibert 56 00:02:57,439 --> 00:03:01,159 two point zero or yeah, different ways to kind of 57 00:03:01,199 --> 00:03:03,240 update social neighbor. But thank you. I appreciate that. 58 00:03:03,479 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, no problem, Well, good stuff, man, I appreciate it. Yeah, 59 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,280 we wanted to talk tonight about social engineering. I've heard 60 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,000 you talk about this confidently in the past on Tim 61 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:19,120 Kelly's show and other places, and specifically how it's affected 62 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,280 Christianity in the West in the twentieth century, but also 63 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,919 more broadly so, I think hating on baby boomers is 64 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,800 kind of a popular meme right now, and there seems 65 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,919 to be kind of something wrong with them. They're very 66 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,319 self indulgent people, and they kind of, you know, wasted 67 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,000 away our economy and all these different criticisms we have, 68 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:40,199 and I think a lot of that has to do 69 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,039 with the social engineering that's gone on. So can you 70 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,000 give us kind of a big picture where is this 71 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,840 coming from and why is it being done? 72 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: Yes? And I have to take some credit for that 73 00:03:50,919 --> 00:03:54,439 because my friend Mark and I were writing blog pieces 74 00:03:54,479 --> 00:03:58,400 about eight years ago making boomer jokes, so I might 75 00:03:59,039 --> 00:04:04,960 me and Mark actually be the first the internet boomer posters. 76 00:04:05,199 --> 00:04:09,240 But anyway, yeah, I mean it's obviously it's not anything 77 00:04:09,319 --> 00:04:11,400 as naive as to say that the problems of the 78 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:15,159 world are the results of a single generation. We have 79 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,480 to look, i would say, at many years of practicing 80 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:23,079 and perfecting the technique of social engineering. So in a 81 00:04:23,199 --> 00:04:27,040 very broad sense, this is the practice that goes all 82 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,639 the way back to Machiavelli, or you could extend it 83 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,639 back even to ancient empires. And you even see this 84 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,279 kind of stuff in the Bible. You'll see the means 85 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,120 and methods of geopolitical machination when you read the books 86 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,800 of the Kings, Chronicles, Samuel, et cetera. But in the 87 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,199 modern area era it's a little more precise because you 88 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:53,199 have the rise of technological process technique and scientific technique 89 00:04:53,439 --> 00:05:00,560 in how to manage mass groups of people. So I 90 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,639 would argue that most of this arises out of the 91 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:08,480 military and wartime strategies and planning. Certainly, prior to that, 92 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,959 you had bankers who were already back in the seventeen 93 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,480 hundreds eighteen hundreds of the times of the revolutions. They 94 00:05:15,519 --> 00:05:21,680 had already noticed how to fund revolutionary movements in other countries. 95 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,519 This is not solely the enterprise of Jewish bankers. It 96 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,240 is a practice of bankers in general. And you can 97 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,000 read that Carol Quigley. I have lectures on the totality 98 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,439 of his book Tragy and Hope, and he uses France 99 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:41,040 as one example, and he covers the rothschild the Catholic 100 00:05:41,199 --> 00:05:44,600 and the Protestant interests that all were sort of vying 101 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:49,120 for power and control of France as one test case. Now, certainly, 102 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,680 over time Jewish banking interests tended to have a lot 103 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,600 of power through the Rothschilds. But we can't leave out 104 00:05:55,639 --> 00:06:00,279 our WASP and our Vatican bank connections either, And of 105 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,680 course the Rochels have also been the official papal bankers, 106 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,959 I think since the seventeen hundred, so all of these 107 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:14,360 interests interconnect, and as I think Spangler put it very well, 108 00:06:14,399 --> 00:06:18,120 there's never been a socialist revolution that wasn't funded by 109 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,560 capitalists at the top. And I think that that's accurate. 110 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,480 And so when we look at the French Revolution, we 111 00:06:24,519 --> 00:06:29,160 see a kind of a combination of Protestant, Swiss and 112 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,439 Jewish banking interests and the British Empire having a vested 113 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,319 interest in removing a Catholic monarch. We see a similar 114 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:41,600 pattern with the funding of the Bolshek revolutions from revolution 115 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:46,000 excuse me, from the Warburgs and other New York banking houses, 116 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,800 and that was essentially to reconstruct and set up a 117 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,160 social experiment in Russia, to get rid of the idea 118 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:00,240 of a bizarre and imperium and a confessional state. See 119 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,360 the same pattern of the removal of the Holy Roman 120 00:07:02,399 --> 00:07:08,319 Empire in Europe and the removal of the Byzantine continuation 121 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:13,519 in the Romanovs, their removal by the Bolsheviks. And ultimately, 122 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,680 this I would say, is at the behest of the 123 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,680 money power. It was the banking interest behind both of 124 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,879 these things. Quickly comes to the same conclusion that Friedman 125 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,040 of Stratford came to when they both said that the 126 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,759 twentieth century was about the Atlantis sis or Western power 127 00:07:31,839 --> 00:07:37,199 blocks removal of their two main rivals, namely Germany, Austria, 128 00:07:37,319 --> 00:07:41,240 Hungarian Empire and Russia. So that's the twentieth century in total, 129 00:07:42,079 --> 00:07:45,079 in both of the wars and the Cold War. The 130 00:07:45,079 --> 00:07:47,000 way you get out of these wars and the wartime 131 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,639 experience is a lot of research, research and development that 132 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,240 goes into the war machine and perfecting the techniques of 133 00:07:55,319 --> 00:08:00,319 war quickly. For example, was a maritime war historian, also 134 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,560 has other works about histories of civilization and warfare and 135 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:12,879 so forth like that. A second excuse me, So this 136 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:19,360 research and development was focused largely in the traditional sense 137 00:08:19,399 --> 00:08:22,360 of psychological warfare, but also in the implementation of new 138 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:28,199 techniques and strategies that would involve a lot of advanced 139 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:34,000 UH things like cybernetics. This would come to dominate entities 140 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,799 like DARPA, which would be very instrumental in how to 141 00:08:38,879 --> 00:08:43,919 manipulate technology to achieve the upper hand in warfare, specifically 142 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,639 things like mimicking nature, transhumanism, et cetera, et cetera, but 143 00:08:49,159 --> 00:08:51,879 specific entities that can definitely be pointed to would be 144 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,080 the Tavistock Institute, the Frankfurt School. 145 00:08:57,639 --> 00:09:03,879 Speaker 3: The which by the way, both had intimate connections to 146 00:09:03,919 --> 00:09:07,240 the CIA, the OSS, and as I was discussing hober 147 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,039 Moss in one of my lectures last night for subscribers, 148 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:11,679 harber Moss is one of the. 149 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: Premier figures of the Frankfurt School, which was the German 150 00:09:17,279 --> 00:09:22,440 Jewish figures who had studied culture and the idea of 151 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:28,360 culture critique, culture creation, and ultimately culture degradation. And so 152 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:32,840 hober Mouse, for example, talks about how you could socially 153 00:09:32,879 --> 00:09:37,840 engineer America through all of these different cultural means. And 154 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,720 what most people don't know, however, is that it was 155 00:09:40,759 --> 00:09:45,080 the OSS, the CIA, the Rockefellers and Macy Foundation money 156 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:50,759 that actually brought these Eastern Bloc Marxists over to help 157 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,000 America fight the Great Wars. So what you get in 158 00:09:54,039 --> 00:10:01,240 America is a basically they mastered the art of culture 159 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:06,679 creation and toxic culture. And so it's not just Jewish interests. 160 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,840 It was Rockefellers and the CIA that brought the Frankfurt 161 00:10:09,879 --> 00:10:13,519 School people over. So there was a combination of interest. 162 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:18,039 There wasn't just one group. They both had a vested 163 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,399 interest and so that's how we get the sixties counterculture 164 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:27,200 and the boomers is from these I would say Pentagon, Military, CIA, 165 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,600 Frank for school characters are all on the same team. 166 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, there does seem to be a real tendency these 167 00:10:35,159 --> 00:10:39,399 days on the internet among alt rightish type communities to 168 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,559 point the finger at Jewish interests and ignore some of 169 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,519 the other interests. But there definitely was a lot of 170 00:10:46,519 --> 00:10:49,440 different groups working together for the same goal. But I'm 171 00:10:49,519 --> 00:10:53,600 kind of curious, is there a unifying ideology for this 172 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,639 agenda or is it just about amassing power and money 173 00:10:56,799 --> 00:10:58,639 or what have you found out? 174 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 2: So I think that people who don't have a theology 175 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:08,639 or a belief in the transcendent, they're generally walking around 176 00:11:08,639 --> 00:11:11,039 in a hall of mirrors trying to figure out who 177 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,000 the one bad guy is. But if you have a 178 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,960 conception of theology and a belief in the Bible things 179 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,600 like this, then you tend to have an overriding view 180 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:27,720 of history and total beginning, middle, and end, and so 181 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,759 you have a conception of good and evil, and so 182 00:11:30,879 --> 00:11:34,240 good and evil are of course spiritual forces, and they 183 00:11:34,279 --> 00:11:40,039 are not any specific racial, ethnic socio political group or 184 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,360 class that. It's not class warfare, it's not any of that. 185 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:48,399 There are undoubtedly powerful interests, but I see the Rockefellers 186 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,919 as far more powerful and influential and prominent in the 187 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,519 last century than Jewish interrists, for example. I mean, the 188 00:11:57,519 --> 00:12:00,000 Frankfurt School would not have had any power had any 189 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,600 been brought over by the by British intelligence and the 190 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,440 CIA and the Rockefellers. 191 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: Indeed, yeah, I heard I heard you talk about on 192 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,720 other shows. How in America and to some degree in Europe, 193 00:12:14,799 --> 00:12:17,440 the right wing tends to always point the finger at 194 00:12:17,879 --> 00:12:21,000 Marxism and communism, and this is the reason our civilization 195 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,399 has been undermined, and gender identity destroyed, and pornography pushed 196 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,559 on us because some sort of KGB psyop or something. 197 00:12:28,919 --> 00:12:31,720 But in reality, when you look at it, it really 198 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,000 seems like this is coming from, as you said, the 199 00:12:34,039 --> 00:12:37,120 big banks, because they really funded these revolutions, and the 200 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:42,200 Rockefeller interest also pushed these things here at home. So really, well, 201 00:12:42,279 --> 00:12:44,600 there's a lot more to it than just Commi's. 202 00:12:44,279 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, this is very crucial, and this is one 203 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,360 of the main reasons why I did the eight lectures 204 00:12:51,399 --> 00:12:54,200 on Tragy and hope is because Carol Quigley, who himself 205 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,320 was a Catholic of sorts or a professing Catholic of 206 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,039 some kind, I was very much a fan of the 207 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,639 Western Atlanti's democratic order, and he actually thought that, you know, 208 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,559 this democratic new world order would be the best thing 209 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,440 for the world. So that's why he was a true 210 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,639 believer and a supporter, I believe, and quickly is very 211 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,960 adamant in the book. This is probably what the book 212 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,840 is most known for is the quotes where he says 213 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:27,759 that the communist Marxist, leftist socialist movements in America on 214 00:13:27,799 --> 00:13:30,519 their own had absolutely no power and didn't weren't that 215 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:35,200 effect effective until they received all of this money from 216 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:39,679 these very wealthy elites that were both Jewish, Protestant, and 217 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:46,879 times even Catholic. So I mean, it's it might be 218 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:48,799 difficult for some people to wrap their head around that, 219 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:51,960 but I mean it's like I said earlier, that this 220 00:13:52,039 --> 00:13:56,159 is why you have the the Wall Street funding both 221 00:13:56,639 --> 00:13:59,279 Nazis and the Bolsheviks. And one of the best ways 222 00:13:59,279 --> 00:14:02,120 to see this is to read some of the real 223 00:14:02,879 --> 00:14:07,200 inner circle planners of this whole system. This over writing 224 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,759 ideology that you asked about. Yes, I've been doing a 225 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:16,559 series called Globalist Books, and this is characters like people 226 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,559 from the CIA, like Miles Copeland, or people from the 227 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:25,200 Royal Society like Bertrand Russell, the Fabian Society, people like H. G. Wells, 228 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:30,159 and they are very people like Charles Galton, Darwin, Arthur Kessler. 229 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,840 I'll be doing Jacques Attalie next. These are characters who 230 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,039 are very open about the overwriting ideology. And it's not 231 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:48,240 solely racial. It is also materialistic. It is technocratic and dysgenic. 232 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:51,480 And so that's what bertin Russell's. Russell says, Yes, I'm 233 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:56,519 very happy to see the Bolsheviks succeed in Russia because 234 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,080 he says it's a social experiment, just like all the 235 00:14:59,159 --> 00:15:06,440 other twentieth century movements and ideas. He says, there's social 236 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,360 experiments to see which things work best for the technocracy. 237 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,039 Speaker 1: So the endgame here is the development of this new 238 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,279 world order type technocracy, I guess is what you could say. 239 00:15:19,799 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 3: It. 240 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,159 Speaker 1: Almost to me, looking at it seems like kind of 241 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,679 a like a dark alchemy, or something like a social alchemy. 242 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,360 They're melting down all these social institutions that we've had 243 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,799 in the West for centuries and trying to create an 244 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:37,440 entirely new society that's almost an opposite image of what 245 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:40,440 was there before. Out of what they've melted down. You 246 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,879 know what I mean is good. 247 00:15:42,919 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're spot on. There is a chapter 248 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,879 in Tragic Hope that a lot of people miss because 249 00:15:50,919 --> 00:15:54,080 everybody focuses on the sections where he talks about the 250 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,759 banker's funding the communists. There's a more important chapter about 251 00:15:57,799 --> 00:16:01,559 the rise of the military industrial complex, and Quigley's whole 252 00:16:01,559 --> 00:16:03,679 point in the chapter is that the new world order 253 00:16:03,799 --> 00:16:07,200 is transhumanism. It is technocracy. He says, that's the whole 254 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,679 goal of all of it. So we can argue about 255 00:16:10,799 --> 00:16:14,120 all these other things. And I'm not saying you can't 256 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,679 argue about those other things. I'm saying that the long 257 00:16:16,759 --> 00:16:24,759 term plan is not just Israelis. It includes the Saudis, 258 00:16:24,799 --> 00:16:28,080 it includes you know, China, it includes all these other 259 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,559 interests to be a part of this global scheme. You 260 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,000 can debate to what degree, you know, atheistic Zionists or 261 00:16:35,039 --> 00:16:37,759 whatever have a role in that, but I think that 262 00:16:37,799 --> 00:16:43,360 the the overarching plan is technocracy. It's not rooted in 263 00:16:43,399 --> 00:16:48,759 any kind of Jewish messianic claims. You know, do you 264 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:52,039 see what I'm saying. Yes, yes, I don't think that 265 00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:56,240 Bill Gates, David Rockefeller and these people who have you know, 266 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,799 arguably some of the they're probably some of the most 267 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,480 amplement on the planet. I don't think they're really concerned 268 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:07,440 about Jewish Messianism. I don't think they care about Palestine. 269 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,359 So what what do they care about? Technocracy? And so 270 00:17:12,559 --> 00:17:16,359 I see this the most powerful people all being on 271 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,480 board with that, and that's why to be in that 272 00:17:19,559 --> 00:17:22,000 kind of club, you have to be on board with that. 273 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:26,640 They don't really care about the ideology of a single 274 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,119 piece of land in the Middle East. I'm not saying 275 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,759 that that that Israel doesn't have a role in that, 276 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,759 but if you look at when Israel is being set up, 277 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:40,400 what the Balfour Declaration and the Royal Society and all this, 278 00:17:40,599 --> 00:17:43,440 what they were saying at that time, they weren't really 279 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,680 concerned with Jews or Rams. They just wanted an outpost 280 00:17:48,599 --> 00:17:52,400 uh and the Royal Society who set that up were 281 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:57,759 just as interested in controlling the Islamic world as they 282 00:17:57,759 --> 00:18:06,519 were controlling the the Jewish homeland. And this is why, 283 00:18:06,559 --> 00:18:09,960 by the way, Jews got mad at British occupation, and 284 00:18:10,519 --> 00:18:12,839 you had like the er Gone and the bombing of 285 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,039 the King David Hotel and so forth. 286 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: Right, and they do seem to have these technocrats an 287 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:25,359 apocalyptic profit in Ray Kurtzweil, and he published that over 288 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,160 a decade ago, talking about the year twenty forty five 289 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,039 and how human beings will become just totally integrated with 290 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,079 computer technology and AI and the planet Earth will basically 291 00:18:36,079 --> 00:18:38,559 become like a technological god being. 292 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 2: You know. 293 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,839 Speaker 1: But I don't think that this is the plan for 294 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,079 all seven and a half billion people. I think the 295 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:50,440 becoming transcendent technological god beings is for the upper class, 296 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,720 and the rest of us will well, I'm not sure 297 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,079 what they have planned for the rest of us. Do 298 00:18:54,079 --> 00:18:56,319 you have anything ideas. 299 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, they say very clearly to get rid of 300 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,839 everybody else. So there's no debate about that. That's been that. 301 00:19:04,079 --> 00:19:06,319 When you read all of these globalist texts, and these 302 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:11,799 are formative thinkers for the global plan, they always talk 303 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,839 about two or three things across the board. They never 304 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:22,319 disagree about Darwinian evolution and technocracy. They never disagree about 305 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,119 the need the crisis to kill off most of the planet. 306 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:30,759 And they never disagree about the implementation of a federation 307 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,400 of all nations into a global government. Every one of 308 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:40,240 them always across the board. That's their dogma. So one example, 309 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:42,519 another good example this is somebody like Arthur Kessler. Now 310 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:45,400 a lot of people would say, we'll see Arthur Kessler 311 00:19:45,519 --> 00:19:50,160 in Thirteenth Tribe proves the Kazarian theory. Well, I don't 312 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,920 really put a lot of stock in the Kasar theory. 313 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,880 I think it's kind of a silly thing. But what's 314 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:00,079 interesting about Kessler himself is that he stepped out of 315 00:20:01,519 --> 00:20:06,359 caring about Jewish interests and was self consciously a Luciferian, 316 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:11,799 and he was part of that inner British Royal Society clique. 317 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,000 And he wrote Ghosts in the Machine, and at the 318 00:20:16,039 --> 00:20:18,400 end of Ghosts of the Machine he says what you 319 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:21,000 just said. He says, it is a dark alchemy what 320 00:20:21,079 --> 00:20:27,119 we're doing to the globe, and it is to to 321 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,519 he puts it the way he states, it is to 322 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:35,400 commander engineer, to commander evolution, to propel the species to godhood, 323 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,640 basically is the whole point. So they're all agreed on transhumanism. 324 00:20:38,799 --> 00:20:42,119 That's who came up with all those the Huxley's coined 325 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,799 the term transhumanism. That is the ultimate goal. And that's 326 00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:51,200 also why you see a convergence of somebody like Ray Kurswall, 327 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,599 who I would assume has some kind of Jewish background, 328 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,759 and David Rockfeller if they both like the idea of transhumanism, 329 00:20:59,799 --> 00:21:06,480 because as it's an alternate version of the Gospel salvation 330 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:09,519 through technology, and so you could look at it like 331 00:21:10,039 --> 00:21:12,160 who's the bad guy. Well, in the first century, who 332 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,079 was the bad guy? Well, you have the Pharisees. They 333 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,119 teamed up with Caesar and hearing them. So there's a 334 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:25,319 combination of interests that are in rebellion against truth, against Christ, 335 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:30,559 against the logos. And I don't believe that they actually 336 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:36,519 will achieve technological godhood. I think that that's partly a lie, 337 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,920 a myth that they are projecting. And certainly there will 338 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:47,160 be technological enhancements, probably extended life longevity, you know, I'm 339 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,839 sure there will be all kinds of new miraculous nanotech 340 00:21:51,319 --> 00:21:54,839 health discoveries. But to think that this is going to 341 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,599 give you immortality, I think would just be utter stupidity 342 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,160 and being completely naive. Yeah, No, why would the people 343 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,920 why would the people who say that they want your 344 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,960 dad give you immortality. That's other stupid. 345 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I definitely think it's an overreach. That whole 346 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,680 what is it called the Ray kurtzwild theory, I forget, 347 00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:18,000 but I don't think it'll get that far to a 348 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:23,240 technological godhood. But you know all this technology singularity, Yes, yes, 349 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,799 I think it's a positive thing in and of itself, 350 00:22:26,839 --> 00:22:30,279 and we just need to reconvert the culture and baptize it. 351 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 2: Exactly. I was, I forget which talk or stream or something, 352 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,119 but I was saying that we have the template, you know, 353 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,759 already laid down as to how to build societies, how 354 00:22:43,839 --> 00:22:47,640 to build cultures, and how to have real progress. And 355 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:51,400 one of the things that I always cut at the 356 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:56,039 root of is that most Jews, and most alt right, 357 00:22:56,279 --> 00:23:02,720 and most atheists and most Pagans, can you think of 358 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:03,880 one thing they all have in common? 359 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:13,039 Speaker 1: No, what was that? Darwinism? Darwinism. 360 00:23:13,839 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm a big opponent of Darwinism and have 361 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,720 been for a long time. I'm always trying to find 362 00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:21,640 somebody to debate it. Yeah, and I've written, I've written 363 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:26,200 a whole ton of articles against Darwinism and Darwinism factors 364 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,400 directly into transhumanism. Darwinism, I believe, is a from I 365 00:23:31,519 --> 00:23:34,400 come at it from the position of a philosopher, that's 366 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,039 my training, and so I critique it from a philosophical standpoint, 367 00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:39,799 which is not to say that I never I don't 368 00:23:39,839 --> 00:23:43,880 ever engage in the scientific discourse. I do, but I'm 369 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,720 mainly concerned with higher order questions, and philosophy is a 370 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,079 little bit higher order than empirical science. So I believe 371 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:56,839 that Darwinism is a mythology, that right that originally comes 372 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,680 from ancient Hinduism. And so the the people want to 373 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,680 make a connection between like scientism and Kabbalism, Yeah, you 374 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:10,680 can find that connection, because ultimately these these positions are 375 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,480 really the same as like ancient a perennial tradition style 376 00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:19,400 Hindu stuff. So you were once a rock and then 377 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,440 you you know you, or you were once a goo 378 00:24:23,599 --> 00:24:26,480 and then you evolved into you know, to something else. 379 00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:29,480 And so the transmutation of species, I think, which is 380 00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:35,119 completely ridiculous, is really a very powerful presupposition that most 381 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:40,160 people aren't willing to criticize or question. So that's why 382 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,200 I think that the alt right is doomed to fail 383 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,839 as well as all these movements because they're all predicated 384 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,079 on a false grand mythology, which is basically you know, 385 00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:52,440 if you read the ancient Greek myths, it's the same idea. 386 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:57,559 It's like lightning. The gods struck the ground of lightning, 387 00:24:57,759 --> 00:25:00,119 and you know, out of it comes man. I mean, 388 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,240 that's like exactly what the theory of the produce the 389 00:25:04,279 --> 00:25:06,000 protest the rise of the protozoa was. 390 00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: So so you're telling me, Jay that you don't believe 391 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,599 that all the complexity of life evolved from a single 392 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,519 cell organism. You don't think this is a scientific effect. 393 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 2: No, because as I understand, DNA only prints what it 394 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,680 has within that species code. So a whale is never 395 00:25:24,759 --> 00:25:28,599 going to print bear code. A tree is never going 396 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,960 to print whale code. You can have mutations and adaptations, 397 00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:40,160 but the new coding that is expressed to show those 398 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:44,920 mutations or adaptations is only what is already present in 399 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,559 the strand, and it's either on or off. So the 400 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,000 whale never has bear code. 401 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: Well, I tend to agree with you. I've been skeptical 402 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,599 of evolution in Darwinism my entire adult life, being raised 403 00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:02,599 in a very conservative evangelical home. That's sort of part 404 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,920 of the course, but it's really when you look at 405 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,160 it and take yourself out of the conditioning we've been 406 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,000 put through the social engineering we've been talking about. It's 407 00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:14,880 such an absurd theory and there's no way you could 408 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,240 empirically prove it. You'd have to go back in time 409 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,599 billions of years and then observe the species evolving and 410 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:25,680 have some sort of billions of years of immortality to 411 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:28,839 even prove that it happens. So it's it's just an 412 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,640 absurd thing on its face, And it's funny because of 413 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,119 the reaction you get when you say you don't believe it. 414 00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:37,200 They treat you like you're the absurd person. So it's 415 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,039 classic projection, I'd say. 416 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 2: Right, And there's many reasons for this. But most people 417 00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:45,839 who for example, go to university and study biology or 418 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,119 they study astronomy. And when I was doing my undergrad 419 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,200 I mean I had to take science classes. I took 420 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,720 a lot of plus or science classes. I interacted with 421 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,720 all of these different professors and people with you know, 422 00:26:57,799 --> 00:27:01,319 getting a biochemistry degree or whatever. I did this for 423 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,839 many years and then I did grad school. I'm not 424 00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:10,559 unfamiliar with what is taught and how people defend their positions. 425 00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:12,319 And what I did when I was in my undergrad 426 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,119 was actually pretty consistently debate professors. That didn't make me 427 00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:21,200 very popular with the professors, but I did it and 428 00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:25,119 it is what it is. And so for most of 429 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,240 the science professors that I had. For example, there was 430 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,119 one guy who was an astronomy teacher and I had 431 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,799 a debate with him, and he actually suggested that I 432 00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:39,920 debate head of the department. So I went to the 433 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,559 head of I can't remember. He might have been the 434 00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:45,279 physics head. It might have been a different guy, but 435 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,599 I think he was a physics guy. So I had 436 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:50,680 a long, long, long debate with the head of the 437 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:56,279 physics department. And what I came to realize this is 438 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:57,759 I was like twenty three at the time, so I 439 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,920 wasn't super versed and everything, but I did understand basic 440 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,480 apologetics and I understood basic presuppositional apologetics at the time, 441 00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:10,440 so I was fairly well armed. And I realized that 442 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,119 that education is compartmentalized, and the people who study physics, 443 00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:18,680 they don't know philosophy. That doesn't mean that every person 444 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,119 who studies physics doesn't know philosophy, but on the whole. 445 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,079 It's very compartmentalized. If you are getting a PhD in physics, 446 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,519 you might have only had one or two philosophy classes. 447 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,359 I mean it's not required. You might have had logic 448 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,319 and you maybe if you wanted to, you might have 449 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,079 taken something like, you know, philosophy one on one or something. 450 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,039 So most of them don't study the whole. Other discipline 451 00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:45,519 called philosophy of science, which is very famous, has a 452 00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:50,319 lot of great intellectual giants who have written on the topics, 453 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,200 people like Michael Polani, and he's a famous scholar who 454 00:28:54,720 --> 00:29:01,319 has critiqued the positivist empiricist, a tradition of of the 455 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,200 physical sciences and philosophy science which is a dead end. 456 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,640 But you will be very hard pressed to find many 457 00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:12,720 people who get quote hard science degrees who don't grasp this. Now, 458 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,160 this is another interesting point that should be made, is 459 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,920 that there's a distinct. I believe there's a distinction between 460 00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:22,839 life sciences and hard sciences, and so things like biology. 461 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,640 I'm not saying that they can't involve aspects of heart science, 462 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,839 but when they start talking about the theory of origins, 463 00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:34,559 it's very speculative. Okay, if you're an engineer, which is 464 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,920 part of science, engineering and science, computer science, mathematics. Right, 465 00:29:39,599 --> 00:29:45,640 you're engaging in something that's more I would say, directly 466 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,240 directly relevant to something like understanding DNA, because you understand 467 00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:56,400 design and you understand architecture, right, And so a lot 468 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,440 of times when propagandas for Darwinism start to talking about 469 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:02,480 science is all on our side, science is all on 470 00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:05,200 our side, that's not actually true because there are plenty 471 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:10,519 of engineers who are theists and who recognize all of 472 00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:13,400 these same principles and they're part of science. So it's 473 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,200 just kind of a game they play where they kind 474 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,599 of move the markers around and they move the the 475 00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:22,640 delineators around to decide who's part of science and who isn't. 476 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,680 And it's all relative depending on the debate at hand. 477 00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:29,200 So so they just don't know what they're talking about. 478 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,839 I mean, I rambled there for like five minutes, to 479 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,640 forgive me, But at the end of the day, they 480 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,119 don't know the basic philosophical questions like you know, what 481 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,119 about the principle of induction? You know, you ask most 482 00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:45,720 philosophers and I mean scientists, unless they've studied a little 483 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,079 philosophy that they're kind of like, what what about this 484 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,319 idea of why is that? Do you believe the future 485 00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:54,039 will be like the past? Oh? Well, that's just kind 486 00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:56,799 of a basic assumption, and we don't worry with those 487 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,319 questions anymore. So they just they will arbitrarily kind of 488 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,000 just throw out the things that they don't consider relevant. 489 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:07,720 But there's no clear scientific test for what things are 490 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,480 objectively relevant or not. It's their subjective taste. And this 491 00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:14,720 is why you have people like Nildagras Tyson will say 492 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,200 a philosophy and philosophy of science don't matter anymore. Well, 493 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,440 they don't matter because he can't answer those questions and 494 00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:21,799 he gets mad when people ask them. 495 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I noticed that, especially in the New Avius community, 496 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:30,759 there was a big attack on philosophy in general, classical 497 00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:35,240 philosophy because they were bad at it basically, right. 498 00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 2: All they do is, you know, it's funny. They will 499 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,720 criticize theists, and I will give them some credit because 500 00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:43,880 a lot of theists make bad arguments and they rehash 501 00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:47,359 bad classical proofs for God, which I don't think are 502 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,599 very good. I think the need to be kind of 503 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,079 restated because the questions and needs of our time are 504 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,440 not the same questions and needs of you know, the 505 00:31:55,519 --> 00:32:02,480 year thirteen hundred. So so they'll they'll throw this this 506 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,960 monkey poo at the theists quite often and say how 507 00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:10,640 bad their arguments are and that they just rehash old, 508 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:14,880 debunked arguments. But guess what, all these new atheists are 509 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,720 just rehashing people like David Hume and people from the 510 00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:23,759 French Revolution. I mean they're not they're not doing anything 511 00:32:23,799 --> 00:32:27,279 spectacular either, but rehashing you know, Enlightenment eraror arguments. So 512 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,440 I think that the discourse is pretty low level and 513 00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:35,519 pretty pretty lame and pretty weak, and it's kind of 514 00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:37,319 that way by design. I mean a lot of these 515 00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:40,400 people are really just kind of pop figures propped up 516 00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:45,039 like Bill Nye. You know, Bill NIC's changed. Bill NY's 517 00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:48,319 been caught contradicting himself multiple times. Somebody put together a 518 00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:52,839 great video of Richard Dawkins totally contradicting himself within a 519 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,359 few years about junk DNA, where he's like, junk DNA 520 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,440 prooves evolution, and then like a few years later, when 521 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,440 suddenly they've decided maybe there's not junk DNA, he's like, 522 00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:05,079 I've never said junk DNA proof's evolution. Junk. The fact 523 00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:08,000 that there's no junk DNA prooves evolution. 524 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, these guys are definitely propped up in one 525 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,920 way or another. I mean, for the public consciousness, science 526 00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:20,880 is not you know, the scientific method and empiricism. It's 527 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,559 it's just a way to drive the narrative in a 528 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,400 certain direction, in favor of Darwinism, in favor of transgenderism, 529 00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:31,119 all these social issues. It's just another form of social engineering. 530 00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:34,039 So that's why you have all these scandals that the 531 00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:39,640 different scientific journals. People will contribute studies that have bad 532 00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:42,880 evidence in it, specifically to see if he can get published, 533 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,880 and it does because it supports a certain political narrative 534 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:46,559 they want to push. 535 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a whole bunch of articles that you can 536 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,440 pull up about fraud and science for aud in the 537 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,839 peer review process. There's no actual peer review way to 538 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,599 prove the peer of view process. I'm serious, And there 539 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,279 been There have been countless mainstream articles on this. The 540 00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:04,480 most famous of which people can look up is the 541 00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:10,159 Lancet the Lancet Journal, which I've sourced this so many times, 542 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,679 I need to just archive this on my website actually, 543 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,239 but everybody should read the very brief discussion from the 544 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:24,039 Lancet about where they were discussing about fifty percent of 545 00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,039 most peer view papers are fake. 546 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 547 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the Lancet is, of course Oxford's premiere, longest 548 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:38,559 running medical science journal that was published I think two 549 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,800 years ago, and you can still pull it up. The 550 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,880 PDO of the actual file is still available. At least 551 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,760 it was fairly recently. So, and this is not anything 552 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,920 surprising or new. Now people will hear this and they'll say, oh, 553 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,199 you're a science denier. 554 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 1: Not at all. 555 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 2: I mean, in fact, as I said, you know, a 556 00:34:56,519 --> 00:35:02,480 lot of my graduate work was philosopher science. Phenomenology was 557 00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:06,960 the questions of analytics and how analytical philosophy ties into 558 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,800 you know, the hard realities of the here and the now. Right. 559 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,639 This is kind of ancient philosophical questions just rehashed in modernity. 560 00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:19,239 So I'm very pro science. I think science is a 561 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,039 wonderful tool for understanding the natural world, and anybody who 562 00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:26,519 would deny that is a complete idiot. But the science 563 00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:32,440 as a tool is a giant light year leap from scientism, 564 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,760 which is a grand narrative explanation. Yeah, no tool can 565 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,280 ever be a grand narrative if you have a monkey 566 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,719 wrench and a giant. You know, if you have a 567 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,760 monkey wrench, the monkey wrench doesn't tell you how the 568 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,800 car is built, right, I mean, a wrench is a tool. 569 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,000 It doesn't give you an explanation. So in the same way, 570 00:35:57,079 --> 00:36:00,239 the scientific method is a tool for understanding the natural world, 571 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,400 but by its very nature, it's not designed to ask 572 00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:08,159 questions that by definition would come outside the scope of 573 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:14,039 empirical investigation. So, for example, mathematical concepts, logical laws, these 574 00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:18,599 by definition are abstract and so they are not material. 575 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,360 So when the so called scientists or scientism proponent propaganda 576 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,920 says I don't believe in anything immaterial abstract that I 577 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,360 can't see, he's not being honest because he will absolutely 578 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:36,840 utilize mathematical concepts, principles, ideas like law, ideas like rights, 579 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,880 and those cannot be empirically demonstrated or proven. 580 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,119 Speaker 1: Very good, Well, let's shift topic back to the I 581 00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:47,880 want to talk a little bit more about the baby 582 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,719 boomers and kind of what specifically was done to them 583 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,599 as a part of this social engineering agenda. You're probably 584 00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:59,360 familiar with Terrence McKenna, definitely a spoop mouthpiece well, maybe 585 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,920 definitely talking about the Archaic Revival. During his career, it 586 00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:08,679 kind of seems like there was an agenda to dismantle 587 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,599 the industrialized civilization that had been created in America and 588 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,920 kind of get people to go back to the land 589 00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:19,639 and start living in like small huts and communes and 590 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,000 kind of go back to an almost feudal lifestyle. Would 591 00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:27,719 you agree with that or I would absolutely agree with that. 592 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,679 Speaker 2: And I just put up a documentary at my website 593 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,880 called the Net which is about mk Ultra and the 594 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,559 Unibomber and the rise of the Internet. And this is 595 00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:39,639 an old, somewhat famous documentary from I think two thousand, 596 00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:42,360 two thousand and three somewhere in there, and this is 597 00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:46,159 an interview with a lot of people who were formative 598 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,320 in the rise of the Internet. And this is you know, 599 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,440 people at DARPA, people in MIT military, kind of gone 600 00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:59,760 level people, and they are discussing the simultaneous rise of 601 00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:04,360 the concept of the internet in the sixties with the 602 00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:08,320 cultural revolution. And so what I'm getting at is that 603 00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:11,840 the deeper that you dive into this question, when you 604 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,079 read the works of Dave McGowan, you find out that 605 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:19,039 absolutely the counter culture and this would include the archaic 606 00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:24,199 revival primitivism and this idea, but all the hippie ideas 607 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,480 and Terence McKennon obviously as part of that giant social 608 00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:32,719 engineering project. And I don't think there's any question about 609 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,760 that anymore. The deeper that you dive into, a lot 610 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,239 of people with boomers especially have not heard this, are 611 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,119 not familiar with it, and so they kind of saw 612 00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:45,480 themselves as positioned in this period of Cold War where 613 00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:47,800 Russians are all the bad guys and it's you know, 614 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,599 the evil empire, and the only way out of that 615 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:57,000 is to make sure that Americanism and pepsi and coke 616 00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:00,960 can be spread to the whole world. Right taneous with 617 00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:05,039 that is what you're saying. The de industrialization is absolutely 618 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,119 aided by the rise of the hippie culture. And the 619 00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:10,320 same people at the Royal Society who back in the 620 00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:13,880 thirties we're talking about the de industrialization of the West 621 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,199 and the rise of China as an industrial powerhouse for 622 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,440 the globe, they were also the people who were saying 623 00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:27,320 we can socially engineer the West with giant LSD mushroom. 624 00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:29,679 Terence McKenna, Timothy Leary, stooges. 625 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: And this is back in the thirties, right. 626 00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:37,800 Speaker 2: So in the thirties you have Russell saying and I 627 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,280 did two talks on virtin Russell's books Scientific Outlook and 628 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,000 Impact of Science on Society. And in both of those 629 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:52,039 books he discusses the geopolitical plans in how the West 630 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,599 will attempt to be destroyed and the industrialized and the 631 00:39:55,679 --> 00:39:58,960 rise of the East, and he even mentions things like 632 00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:03,840 mass and ized migration. At the same time, another one 633 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,599 of his cohorts in this conspiracy, Alice Huxley, was instrumental 634 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:15,079 in Tavistock and uh, the British version of the the 635 00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:19,840 rise of LSD sandas pharmaceuticals. And that's how the CIA 636 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,800 would because the CIA is working in tandem with British intelligence. Uh. 637 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,119 And so they are the ones who are coordinated with 638 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:32,079 Tavistock to you know, share research and so forth. Uh. 639 00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:35,280 And they realized that, yes, everything that the Huxley is 640 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,039 talking about, that's this is why Huxley went to Berkeley 641 00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:43,039 and gave this famous famous lecture Berkeley. Hello, Right, this 642 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:50,119 is hippie Central saying that you will be given giant 643 00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:54,280 loads of drugs and you will be ushered into the technocracy. 644 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,840 That's what he says in the lecture. And he says 645 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,079 even says at one point, all you people in the 646 00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,360 audience are too stupid to even understand that I'm telling 647 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,599 you that this is really going to happen. Wow. 648 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know he was right. I mean, most 649 00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:10,440 of most of the people in the West have no 650 00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:11,880 idea what's happening to them. 651 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 2: And he's also not a good guy warning us this 652 00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:16,239 is another mistake. 653 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,599 Speaker 4: Now, a lot of people make a mistake and they say, oh, 654 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,679 but to see when I read all the text that 655 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,119 he talks about freedom and he doesn't want us to 656 00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:27,679 be enslaved, that's because he's a liar. 657 00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:31,559 Speaker 2: That's because he also wrote elsewhere that he believed in 658 00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:32,079 this plant. 659 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. So how did this impact this shift to the 660 00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:43,079 industrialize and the hippie movement and all this. How did 661 00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:46,360 this impact Christianity in the West after the hippies started 662 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,599 to rise up. I heard you talking about this recently. 663 00:41:48,679 --> 00:41:50,199 I was wondering if you could give us a little 664 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:50,800 insight here. 665 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,559 Speaker 2: Well, you have the co opting of the church. Basically, 666 00:41:57,679 --> 00:41:59,960 even though this Homber Moss talk that I did last 667 00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:04,079 night was for subscribers. It was actually illustrative in one 668 00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:07,960 part where he talks about the churches being made Marxists. Now, 669 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,800 let's put this in context, because in a sense they 670 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,360 were and in a sense they weren't. If you mean 671 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,280 by Marxist, the Frankfurt School Marxist and the cultural degradation 672 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,800 cultural Marxism. Yeah, they have been turned to that. But 673 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,239 how was that done? Was it done by a bunch 674 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,639 of dirty dudes on the streets of hate Ashbury with 675 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:37,960 Chay Gavara T shirts and wearing a beret. No, it 676 00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:45,679 was done by giant hordes of money behind the Frankfurt 677 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:49,000 School as one example. It was done with giant amounts 678 00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:51,800 of money put into studying the effects of LSD, by 679 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:56,039 the military, by the CIA, by psychiatric institutions. It was 680 00:42:56,119 --> 00:43:02,440 done by the promotion of the degenerate rock bands. Right, 681 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:08,639 So this changed the culture. And because American Christianity, American 682 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,159 Christianity from the beginning, I would say, has been very 683 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:17,840 troubled and kind of on a double think dilemma because 684 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,679 of the weaknesses, I would say, and they found the 685 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:26,519 ideology of America. There's always been a susceptibility in American Christianity. 686 00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:30,800 To instead of informing the culture to mirror the culture. 687 00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:33,519 So it should be the other way around. But you know, 688 00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:36,239 this is why your preachers in America end up looking 689 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,159 like CEOs. They begin acting like the CEOs and their 690 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,800 churches look like giant strip malls or factories. 691 00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:47,760 Speaker 1: And that's the heresy of Americanism. 692 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. So I think wim Hoff is correct that 693 00:43:52,840 --> 00:44:01,079 the CIA through the facade of the Cold War. I'm 694 00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:04,119 not saying there weren't real persecutions during the Cold War. 695 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,480 In fact, this actually duped a lot of the Russian immigrants, 696 00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:11,719 the white Russians that left Russia. It was British intelligence 697 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,559 and people in the West that brought them over. But 698 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,159 I don't think that they understood that the long term 699 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,599 game was not that the people in the West were 700 00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:27,159 their friends. The long term game was to ultimately support 701 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,239 the dismantling of Russia and the institution of the New 702 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,719 World Order. And the CIA did a similar tactic with 703 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,119 the Catholic Church by getting the Catholic Church to jump 704 00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:43,159 on board the CIA's doctrinal warfare program of C. D. 705 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,960 Jackson and other characters like that Henry Leoce and that 706 00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:50,960 this ended up being part of the reason why Vatican 707 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,360 two happened and you had the passing of the acceptance 708 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,119 of Dignitatis humani in Nostra Tate. 709 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,519 Speaker 1: Just for the listeners out there, not all my listeners 710 00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:05,840 are Catholic, but most of them are. Jay is not Catholic, 711 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,039 He's Orthodox. So just so you aware of that, and 712 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,840 you know, we don't have to agree on every single thing, 713 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,519 but look into these things because there definitely has been 714 00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:18,119 deep state influence on the Catholic Church. There's no denying that. 715 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,519 Speaker 2: Well, well, David Wimhoff is a practicing Catholic as I understand, 716 00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:26,519 and he does accept Vatican too, So I'm just using 717 00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:29,960 him as an objective Catholic source who who as a 718 00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:33,519 lawyer in this giant, you know, thousand source page book. 719 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,880 You know, he argues, I would say, definitively, and it 720 00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:40,159 actually makes a lot of sense with all the other 721 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,440 research that isn't Catholic, you know, I mean, Dave mcgallan 722 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,800 is not Catholic, but his or was not Catholic. He's 723 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,920 passed away. But you know, his book was not focused 724 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,719 on religion, but it kind of came to the same 725 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,280 conclusions that you had. The deep state basically interested in 726 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,079 trying to co opt large religious institutions, and you will 727 00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:03,199 find that this is very common. And just think about 728 00:46:03,199 --> 00:46:06,239 it from the deep state perspective. Wouldn't you want to 729 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,840 use the engine of something like Catholicism for your pert Yeah, 730 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:15,119 I mean Brzenski in between two ages, he says in 731 00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:18,440 the first few chapters of the book that American and 732 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:24,679 Americanism has to capture and use these big institutions like 733 00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:26,880 the caloch Church. Yeah. 734 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:32,199 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And this is probably the most conspiratorial type interview 735 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,519 that I've done on this show. I've said often though 736 00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:38,400 that I believe the people who are in control of 737 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,079 our civilization right now are very evil, and this is 738 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,400 just opening up the Pandora's box to look at the 739 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,599 kind of evil that they're doing. These people are diabolical geniuses, 740 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,679 and this is the war between good and evil, which 741 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:57,000 is why it's so important for Christians to stay in prayer, 742 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,880 to study philosophy and good solid the and to not 743 00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:03,760 be taken in by this stuff. Because when you fully 744 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,840 grasp the amount of conditioning that you've been put through 745 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,239 in your life growing up in the second half of 746 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,280 the twentieth century, in the twenty first century. It's you 747 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,199 have to go back to first principles and reevaluate all 748 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,239 your assumptions about the world. So, and that's a little 749 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:21,079 closing thought. 750 00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:24,199 Speaker 2: I guess, well, one other thing I would say to Catholics, 751 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,679 and I formerly was Catholic, is that there are plenty 752 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:33,599 of Catholic books that will vindicate what I'm saying, the 753 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,760 most obvious of which are the papal and cyclicals of 754 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,039 the last couple of centuries. And I'm not saying read 755 00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:43,599 all of them, but if anybody does want to delve 756 00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:46,280 into that, you can. I would recommend a couple of things. 757 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,559 I would say, read first and foremost Leo the thirteenth 758 00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:55,119 and cyclical Humanum Janus on Freemasonry. Then I would say 759 00:47:55,280 --> 00:48:01,000 read the Tan Books, the Tan Publisher, the Popes against 760 00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:05,119 the modern errors. And then if you read those two things, 761 00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:09,280 you'll see that you know, this is not a crackpot 762 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,840 conspiracy theory, but something that the papacy has been talking 763 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,239 about for a long time. In fact, years old, there 764 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,639 was a whole slew of anti Masonic papal and cyccles. 765 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, that, honestly, that kind of thing was really what 766 00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:25,440 got me interested in Catholicism was seeing how the popes 767 00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:28,679 and the Church were really at odds with this evil 768 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,840 agenda in early in the twentieth century. And I'm sad 769 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,119 to say that it's lost a lot of ground in 770 00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:38,519 the second half. But anyway that those encyclicals are definitely 771 00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:40,719 eye opening. To be sure, we need to just show 772 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,760 on Freemason recent time in their battle of the Catholic Church. 773 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,519 That would be interesting, Yeah, it would be. 774 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:55,800 Speaker 2: I I've also been reading a cult Renaissance Church of Rome, 775 00:48:56,039 --> 00:49:00,199 which is a critique of the Renaissance era papacy by 776 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,320 Michael Hoffman. I think he makes a very compelling case. 777 00:49:03,519 --> 00:49:06,840 I think he's very weak when he tries to explain 778 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,320 the first millennium of the Church, but I think for 779 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,519 the second millennium of the Church, he also makes a 780 00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:14,400 very interesting case that it's not like everything was rosy, 781 00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:18,960 you know, prior to the French Revolution, right, there was 782 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:25,840 a lot of the same kinds of hermetic, gnostic, Platonic 783 00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:32,119 and cabalistic influence prior to you know, the modern Enlightenment 784 00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:32,800 period as well. 785 00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was saying on the last show that 786 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,440 this kind of worldview we've been talking about is a 787 00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:43,159 sort of form of gnosticism, And really narcissism has been 788 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,880 around since the first century of the Church. It's waxed 789 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,559 and waned in its influence and presence. But really, when 790 00:49:49,639 --> 00:49:52,239 you start to think that you can use your willpower 791 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,840 and technology to override the laws of God and the 792 00:49:56,039 --> 00:49:59,199 natural law He's written into reality, that is the form 793 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,920 of nissism trying to escape physical reality. Anyway, So that 794 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:04,880 would be my thought on it. 795 00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:07,960 Speaker 2: I would totally agree, And just having a discussion with 796 00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:10,840 some people today about this, we were kind of arguing 797 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:16,000 about the question of race, ethnicity, gender, these kinds of things. 798 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,880 And when you believe in the goodness of God as 799 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:25,440 a creator, which gnostics don't, when you do believe that 800 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,639 God is a good creator, you suddenly don't have as 801 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:34,519 much of a problem with there being other ethnicities, other races, 802 00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:38,920 and different genders. That real diversity is not an issue 803 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,199 for you. You're not worried about it. And for Orthodox 804 00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:46,519 you know, we have our tradition of iconography being done 805 00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:50,599 a certain way always. You can't you can't like make 806 00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:52,719 up some kind of new way to do icons, and 807 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,920 that's because we believe that they don't just show us 808 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:02,800 a window into heaven. But I banography also confirms the 809 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,000 veracity and truth of history. So if there's a saint 810 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,760 like Saint Moses the Black who was a famous black man, 811 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,199 who's a saint, you know, he and his icon, he's 812 00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:19,400 going to retain his physical characteristics, in his race and 813 00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:22,280 his gender. And you know, in the in the Book 814 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,119 of Revelation, when when John sees into heaven, when he 815 00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:32,000 sees the eternal state, he says he sees every race, tribe, tongue, 816 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,440 and ethnicity present. Uh. And that's because, of course Christ 817 00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:39,119 died for all, there's no question about that. But Christ 818 00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,880 dying for all does not mean that he wipes out 819 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,960 people's history and ethnicity anymore than it means he wipes 820 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,280 out gender. So that's why it's very important for us 821 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,760 that you don't you know, you know Jesus. Think about Jesus. 822 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,440 When he's resurrected, he doesn't become pans you know, pan gender, 823 00:51:56,559 --> 00:52:01,440 pan racial Jesus. He becomes a no longer subject to 824 00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,599 to death. Well technically speaking, he wasn't subject death, but 825 00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:08,239 he willingly underwent death. You know what I'm saying. In 826 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,280 his resurrected state, it's still the same Jesus because he 827 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,360 has a hole in his side. Thomas puts his fingers 828 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:18,280 in and he says, you know, he says that we 829 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,119 will be like him. We'll have the same type of resurrection, 830 00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,119 which does not negate our historical existence and who we were. 831 00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:28,639 Speaker 1: Sure, So if you're a black Christian, you die and 832 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,320 you're resurrected, you're going to still be a black resurrected Christian. 833 00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,719 Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, yeah. I mean, this is the thing about 834 00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:41,719 Babel and the new world order, globalism, transhumanism, It is Babel. 835 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:41,960 Speaker 1: You know. 836 00:52:42,039 --> 00:52:44,679 Speaker 2: They say we want to make a power to Heaven 837 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,760 in our own name, right, And that's contrasted with Abraham, 838 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,119 who builds an altar to the Lord and calls him 839 00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:57,480 the name of the Lord. So Abraham's religion is based 840 00:52:57,559 --> 00:53:03,480 around theology and faith first, and babel Worldly religion, the 841 00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:06,639 City of Man, as Augustine called it, is based around 842 00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,599 the idea of man will be God. And that's what 843 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,639 transhumanism is. It's just a repeating of that, and Babel 844 00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:19,320 is still manifesting today in globalism. Babel is the idea 845 00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:22,840 of wrecking all the different cultures and nations and tribes 846 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,199 into one giant blob run by Skynet. 847 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is what's going on in Europe with 848 00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:34,679 the Muslim invasion and the United States and even in China. 849 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,760 They're trying to do this in every country that has 850 00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:40,199 a national mono culture, they're trying to turn it into 851 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,880 the New World Order, corporatistic gray glob. 852 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,760 Speaker 2: So exactly. Yeah, yeah, totally agree. 853 00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:50,559 Speaker 1: All right, Well, Jay Dyer, thanks for coming on. That 854 00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:52,920 was a great chat. I hope to have you back 855 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,760 soon to talk about some more theological issues if that's 856 00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:00,920 amenable to you, Sure anytime, all right, Well, I sure 857 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,239 appreciate it. Man, God be with you, all right. 858 00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,639 Speaker 2: And I would add two that if people are interested 859 00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:10,199 in my book is still available, and if you would 860 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,800 like to get a copy of it, please get it 861 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:16,000 from me and not Amazon because Amazon undercuts authors. My 862 00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:19,960 book is not in occult book. It is a comparative 863 00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:25,519 religion analysis of different movies and films in three hundred 864 00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:28,639 and sixty three pages with four hundred four footnotes, and 865 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:33,920 it includes very subtle critiques of things like Darwinism and 866 00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:39,679 atheism in under the guise of film analysis. 867 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,239 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'm kind of still kind of new at 868 00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,840 the podcast game. So I forgot the plug section. I 869 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,880 also wanted to say, if you go into podcast Addict 870 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,559 and search Jaydyer, you'll get jay'son Analysis RSS feed on 871 00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:55,119 there and get all this great content. He's been putting 872 00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:58,079 out some awesome stuff lately. Maybe you have another method 873 00:54:58,159 --> 00:54:59,960 they can find that feed as well. 874 00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:03,960 Speaker 2: Well. It should be on all the major feeds like that. 875 00:55:04,639 --> 00:55:08,800 It's on Spreaker, and it's on iTunes, and you know, 876 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,119 you can always go to YouTube the same. My my 877 00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,760 stuff goes out to all those areas. 878 00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:20,159 Speaker 1: Good deal, all right, man, Well thanks again and you 879 00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:21,599 have a good eating all right. 880 00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:21,880 Speaker 2: Thank you,