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<v Speaker 1>We'll start the four o'clock hour right now with some

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<v Speaker 1>football with one of our favorites, one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>to ever do it. At the you spend some time

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<v Speaker 1>with the Steelers, good enough to give us some time

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<v Speaker 1>on a Monday afternoon, it's Sly Stevens and Sylvester. Happy Monday. Sly,

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<v Speaker 1>how are we doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Happy Monday? Brother? How are you good? Man? Good?

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<v Speaker 1>So let's do a little NFL before we dig into

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<v Speaker 1>some Utah football.

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<v Speaker 2>We do have some Utah football news that we'll talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been struggling to find the accurate Patrick Mahomes analogy.

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<v Speaker 1>The one that feels right to me is Michael Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>as somebody who spend time around the Jazz and the

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<v Speaker 1>Knicks in the nineties because every time, and look, we

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<v Speaker 1>could expand it to the Sonics with with Gary Payton

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<v Speaker 1>and Sean Kemp we could talk about Barkley and the

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<v Speaker 1>Suns like every time it seemed like there was a

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<v Speaker 1>team that was ready to beat Mike, they just couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get it done unless Michael Jordan was playing baseball instead

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<v Speaker 1>of basketball. What's the what's the accurate Patrick Mahomes analogy?

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<v Speaker 1>Now that you know they're back in the super Bowl

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<v Speaker 1>once again.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know, man, that's a the great question.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he's becoming into a league of his own, right,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the opponents that he has to beat year

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<v Speaker 4>in and year out, he's young or old, he's taking

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<v Speaker 4>him on and making it happen, right, and he.

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<v Speaker 3>Can appreciate that. I mean, I would have to go.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think he's beat Tom Brady right in the

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<v Speaker 4>AFC Championship and then in the Super Bowl against the Buccaneers.

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<v Speaker 4>That may be his only guy that he's you know,

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<v Speaker 4>lost multiple games to. Two of the three losses in

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<v Speaker 4>his playoff career on his seven eight year NFL career

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<v Speaker 4>have been to Tom Brady.

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<v Speaker 3>So Tom Brady may be his Achilles heal.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, right now, Pat Mahomes, I think he's

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<v Speaker 4>just one being under thirty and now going to what.

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<v Speaker 3>Is fourth super Bowl, fourth or fifth super Bowl?

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<v Speaker 4>This guy is uh, he's he's creating his own class

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<v Speaker 4>man and it's awesome what he's been able to do.

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<v Speaker 4>I've said this, I it's hard to you know, aside

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<v Speaker 4>from you know, the favorable calls, they it's hard to

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<v Speaker 4>you know, hate what they do. They've gotten to the

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<v Speaker 4>super Bowl in so many different ways. And that's what

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<v Speaker 4>great teams do, right, you get there with what you have.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got there within.

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<v Speaker 4>An epic passing attack where nobody can slow them down

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<v Speaker 4>in the passing tack. He's gotten there with an amazing

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<v Speaker 4>running game right where he's had to use his legs

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<v Speaker 4>or his running backs have been great. He's gotten there

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<v Speaker 4>with none of his receivers having a passing touchdown all

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<v Speaker 4>year and just the tight ends. And now he's getting

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<v Speaker 4>there with beating everybody. And so fifteen to two record

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<v Speaker 4>on the season, you know, just going through these playoffs,

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<v Speaker 4>knocking off CJ.

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<v Speaker 3>Stroud, knocking off Josh Allen.

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<v Speaker 4>He's just putting himself in position just to be in

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<v Speaker 4>a class of his own man.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's pretty it's pretty great to see and witness.

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<v Speaker 1>Sly, they've won seventeen straight one score games, Like it's

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<v Speaker 1>wild to consider how he's grown, because when he burst

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<v Speaker 1>on the scene, you know, Alex's backup and then he

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<v Speaker 1>gets the job and he really became uber famous because

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<v Speaker 1>of his big playability with Tyreek Hill back then and

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<v Speaker 1>a prime Travis Kelcey, and you know, if you had

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<v Speaker 1>one of them in fantasy football, you were winning every

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<v Speaker 1>week and that was kind of the thing. Now he's

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<v Speaker 1>grown into this dude that just figures it out as

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who played you know, pro football on the defensive side,

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<v Speaker 1>what what what are the biggest challenges that a player

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<v Speaker 1>who has the athletic ability and has now grown into

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<v Speaker 1>a cerebral thinker and then that offensive set and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately the execution by their head coach Andy Reid? What

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<v Speaker 1>are the biggest challenges when it comes to trying to

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<v Speaker 1>just crall him enough to give your offensive chance to

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<v Speaker 1>score enough points to beat him.

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<v Speaker 4>It's difficult one being and you know, I'm watching these

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just like, how do I game plan against that?

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<v Speaker 3>And you can't? Like.

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<v Speaker 4>What I always talk about quarterbacks is their ability to

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<v Speaker 4>make pre snap reads. And so what I pay attention

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<v Speaker 4>to the most when I'm watching Kansas City is what

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<v Speaker 4>is Patrick Mahomes looking at before the snap?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>What is he determining? Is what is he seeing that's

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<v Speaker 4>gonna determine the play that he runs right from from?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, every play they have multiple plays called in

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<v Speaker 4>two or audibling into a completely different play.

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<v Speaker 3>What is he seeing? Man? I love him setting up

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<v Speaker 3>the protections.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Kansas City uses the odd odd front, the

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<v Speaker 4>even even front, and that's how they determine who's their

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<v Speaker 4>mic and and what the defenses is about and how

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<v Speaker 4>to attack it. But like his ability to be on

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<v Speaker 4>the same page as his receivers, right, Like that throw

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<v Speaker 4>he made the Juju smith sus late in the game

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<v Speaker 4>to give him that thirty yard game.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just over the linebacker's head.

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<v Speaker 4>But he had to wait right until that window came open,

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<v Speaker 4>and he knew it was coming open. Even some of

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<v Speaker 4>the things you see is he's like, it's Cover two

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<v Speaker 4>is cover two, right, And what's a great thing to

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<v Speaker 4>run against Cover two? Running the football? Cover two is

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<v Speaker 4>a six man box and you got six or seven blockers.

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<v Speaker 4>It's always good to run the ball against that. And

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<v Speaker 4>so him calling that out pre snap is just awesome.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, like you said, man, he's had tons of

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<v Speaker 4>weapons over the years, and just seeing his growth and

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<v Speaker 4>what he's going to be able to do here in

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<v Speaker 4>the next couple of years, it's good that he's in

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<v Speaker 4>the AFC because I think the AFC is just loaded

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<v Speaker 4>with talent for now and in the future. So but

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<v Speaker 4>he's definitely getting his now, and you know, he's only

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<v Speaker 4>a few super bowls away from even getting close to

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<v Speaker 4>some franchises and even Tom Brady.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Allen's twenty eight years old. The problem is Patrick

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<v Speaker 1>Mahomes is twenty nine. And you know, I feel about

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<v Speaker 1>Josh the same way I feel about Lamar, the same

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<v Speaker 1>way I felt about Aaron Rodgers before he finally got his.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually for.

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<v Speaker 1>Four or five years watching Aaron Rodgers play quarterback, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen anything like this. He has to get

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<v Speaker 1>multiple super Bowls, but he only got one and breaking

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<v Speaker 1>news he's not going to get another.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well that won against me. I hate it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, man, I know, I'm sorry sorry to bring

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<v Speaker 1>it out, but but my point is, like I just

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<v Speaker 1>think Josh and Lamar I think they're too good. I

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<v Speaker 1>would be stunned if both of them, quite frankly, finished

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<v Speaker 1>their pro football careers the way Dan Marino did without

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<v Speaker 1>a ring. Right, So where are you at today on

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Allen and the potential of him to finally breaking

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<v Speaker 1>through at some point.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he's got he's gotta stay.

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<v Speaker 4>He gotta stay, even killed man, you know, these are

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<v Speaker 4>just tough days right here, and you just kind of

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<v Speaker 4>understand that, like it does get better, right and and

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<v Speaker 4>you will. Unfortunately, some of the greats that are compared

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<v Speaker 4>to have won early, and so you know he's thinking

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<v Speaker 4>like I haven't got mine, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Am I not enough? And so that sucks.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, ultimately, if he can he can keep

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<v Speaker 4>his mind in it and and make sure that he's

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<v Speaker 4>competitive each and every year, which I think he does.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he's winning in other aspects of life, and

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<v Speaker 4>so it's not gonna seriously hurt him, but like it's

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<v Speaker 4>fresh straight and not getting to that point.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's got to understand, like, look, I got out of.

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<v Speaker 4>The season healthy. I can go into next season understanding

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<v Speaker 4>exactly what I need to do. Right, we got the

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<v Speaker 4>number two overall overall record and we were second in

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<v Speaker 4>the AFC. I need to get that number one seat

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<v Speaker 4>so I can have home field advantage, right, Like I

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<v Speaker 4>hate going to Kansas City? How do I not go

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<v Speaker 4>to Kansas City? So they need to do what they

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<v Speaker 4>one seed. That's first things first. So you just regame

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<v Speaker 4>plan and retool the next year's but again, like you said,

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<v Speaker 4>those guys are young, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen. You know

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<v Speaker 4>now Jalen Hurts is in that mix, and and even CJ.

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<v Speaker 4>Stroud is coming up, and we now see Jalen Daniels

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<v Speaker 4>as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, there is some lot of young talent in here,

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<v Speaker 3>and and so it's gonna be open market for a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of guys. He's just got to keep in it

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<v Speaker 3>and ride his experience.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, you're an NFL general manager. Lamar Jackson and

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<v Speaker 1>Josh are about twenty eight, and I said, you can

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<v Speaker 1>have one or the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Who do you pick? And why?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh gosh, this is a great question. I answered this

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<v Speaker 4>before the divisional game the Bills and the Ravens. I

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<v Speaker 4>like Lamar Jackson, Right, And here's the reason why, Welle,

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<v Speaker 4>Josh Allen's great. The way he delivered the ball last night.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't put that game on him. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 4>look at it. They lost by three, They had multiple

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<v Speaker 4>two point conversion fails. There's just a lot of things

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<v Speaker 4>in that game that could have went the other way.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, storylines whatever. But like if I were

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<v Speaker 4>I could take one of those two guys. I'm taking

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<v Speaker 4>Lamar Jackson, you know, both of them. It's sad we

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<v Speaker 4>can't beat Patrick Mahomes and they have loaded all star rosters.

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<v Speaker 4>But I got Lamar Jackson because if I can get

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<v Speaker 4>you know, half these guys to to come up and

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<v Speaker 4>deliver the football the way is because like Lamar Jackson,

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<v Speaker 4>he's not gonna run as much as his uh as

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<v Speaker 4>his career keeps going right. But you take a slow

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<v Speaker 4>Lamar Jackson versus a stagnant quarterback, I'll take that all day.

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<v Speaker 4>And Lamar Jackson he doesn't take hits. He's very smart,

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<v Speaker 4>he gets down. He needs to get better with taking

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<v Speaker 4>care of the football. Those careless fumbles that we saw

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<v Speaker 4>in the divisional round, you can't do that, but that's

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<v Speaker 4>something that can be learned. But the way he delivers

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<v Speaker 4>the ball, his accuracy, his ability to extend plays and

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<v Speaker 4>and and get away from people. I think he's faster

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<v Speaker 4>than Jayden Daniels and and and that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Saying something right.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I take you know, Lamar Jackson for his accuracy,

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<v Speaker 4>efficiency and his ability to to just make offense non

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<v Speaker 4>are unsoppable, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So this Dad continues to blow me away because

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Allen is four and one in the regular season

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<v Speaker 1>against Patch Mahomes and the Chiefs, but he's zero to

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<v Speaker 1>four in the postseason against the very same Chiefs and

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<v Speaker 1>the very same quarterback and the very same head coach.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a guy that played regular season football in college

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<v Speaker 1>and you won a Sugar Bowl against Alabama in College're

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<v Speaker 1>a guy that played regular season football in the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>and you had playoff experience as well. What gives man,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the difference. What's the difference between being able to

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean it goes to the point of what

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<v Speaker 4>You got to get the job done. But for me,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I hate that everybody puts it on one person.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody saw the game. Everybody saw the Eagles and Commander's

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<v Speaker 4>game too. Jaden Daniels played great. Who would have known

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<v Speaker 3>To just put the commander's back.

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<v Speaker 4>Commanders came back after that, sakwon Barkley early touchdown and

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<v Speaker 4>was in it. It was still good. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's more than that one person. So Josh Allen met

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<v Speaker 4>it's hard to put it all on him and his record.

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<v Speaker 3>So you got to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, guys dropping balls, defense, not being able

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<v Speaker 4>to do their job, and you know, the injuries that

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<v Speaker 4>it's time to move.

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<v Speaker 3>On for him from him.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, there's other factors in that, right, You got

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<v Speaker 4>to slow Patrick Mahomes down to give josh Allen an

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<v Speaker 4>It's unfortunate that, you know, Josh Allen can't get it

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<v Speaker 4>done in the playoffs with that, but it's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>So a couple of local ties here. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts on that final pass. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>play to make, but you know, if Dalton watches the

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<v Speaker 1>replay will probably tell you that he should have should

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<v Speaker 1>have grabbed it. What were your thoughts and what's your

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<v Speaker 1>take on the day after after watching Dalton drop that

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean I've been there, I've dropped it. I've

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<v Speaker 3>dropped the ball like that.

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<v Speaker 4>It's hard to win the ball being in the air,

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<v Speaker 4>understanding where it's at because he, you know, Josh Allen,

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<v Speaker 4>being under duress, he didn't know where that ball was

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<v Speaker 4>going to land. Is it going to be short, is

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<v Speaker 4>it going to be long? Judging into the air in

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<v Speaker 4>real time, understanding the heat of the moment it being

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<v Speaker 4>forth down, all of that all that comes into play,

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<v Speaker 4>and so like for me, it's like, I've been there,

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<v Speaker 4>I know I've misjudged it.

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<v Speaker 3>If it was a drop and a different point of.

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<v Speaker 4>The game, nobody really even thinks about it.

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<v Speaker 3>It sucks.

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<v Speaker 4>It sucks in that moment, but you know, this is

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<v Speaker 4>Dalton's second year. He's only gonna get better. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>as I said, I've been there, I've dropped the pass.

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<v Speaker 4>Luckily my teammate you know, picked it off the very

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<v Speaker 4>next play, so I didn't have to bear that because

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<v Speaker 4>do I not make that play? But you know, there's

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<v Speaker 4>so many things that gone on there, so I just

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<v Speaker 4>understand it, and it sucks. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 4>you look at the game, it's like, damn, do we

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<v Speaker 4>have to go down to the last play to the

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<v Speaker 4>game had to be decided by this, right and and

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<v Speaker 4>so there's a lot of other things right and again

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<v Speaker 4>we talked about pre snap, you know, judgment there. What

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<v Speaker 4>was Josh Allen looking at as far as numbers. You

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<v Speaker 4>bring a guy in motion for what reason? All right,

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<v Speaker 4>he comes in motion, nobody follows them. You know they're

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<v Speaker 4>in zone or they're blitzing. As soon as you hike

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<v Speaker 4>the ball, you see they're blitzing. You gotta go to

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<v Speaker 4>your number one blitz the turn. After that, he should

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<v Speaker 4>have went back to Shakiir, which is what that play

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<v Speaker 4>and going back, and so there's just a lot of things,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and not letting the game against Patrick maccomes

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<v Speaker 4>knowing mestatistics of seventeen to o not come down to

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<v Speaker 4>the final whistle, you know, and that sucks. And so

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<v Speaker 4>it's a team game. I just don't want it to

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<v Speaker 4>ever come down to a single play. But I've been

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<v Speaker 4>where Dalton's at. He's gonna hang his head and he's

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<v Speaker 4>only gonna come back better.

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<v Speaker 1>So news comes down that Taylor Rap is injured, and

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<v Speaker 1>so our guy Cole gets the start. Cold Bischop gets

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<v Speaker 1>his first star with the Bills, and you know, he's

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<v Speaker 1>saved the touchdown early on with that tackle on Kareem Hunt.

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<v Speaker 1>where he got trucked pretty good. I thought he had

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<v Speaker 1>the pick overall, I thought he I thought he had

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty solid game. Your thoughts on Cold Bishop the

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<v Speaker 1>first start of his career in a playoff game against

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<v Speaker 4>Couldn't imagine me my rookie year and having to do

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<v Speaker 3>I thought he did great.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, of course, there's always room for improvement. But one,

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<v Speaker 4>Cole's a Cole's a student of the game. This dude

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<v Speaker 4>studies film better than anybody. When I was interviewing a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of the older guys when Cole was a freshman,

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<v Speaker 4>that's all they would talk about. And Cole wasn't great

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<v Speaker 4>his freshman year, right that's when we played Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 4>He wasn't great in that game. But years after that

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<v Speaker 4>he got better. And that's what I'm expecting from Cole

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<v Speaker 4>is He's just going to get better and better. I

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<v Speaker 4>think he loves the game. He's an insane talent. He's

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<v Speaker 4>a guy that's going to put on weight, put on strength.

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<v Speaker 4>Understand he's going to be a starter for Buffalo going forward.

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<v Speaker 4>I know they like him over there. He's just a

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<v Speaker 4>done once he understands the game a little bit more

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<v Speaker 4>and understands how people play him because the NFL game

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<v Speaker 4>and college game are very different, you know, as far

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<v Speaker 4>as offensive play designs. So if he can understand those

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<v Speaker 4>differences year two and three, he's going to be outstanding man.

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<v Speaker 4>So one, this is valuable experience and the key moments

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<v Speaker 4>in the tight game he played starting safety the entire game.

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<v Speaker 4>That right there, that experience I wish I could have had,

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<v Speaker 4>because that's something that you can't ever get back and

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<v Speaker 4>it's only going.

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<v Speaker 3>To propel you forward.

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<v Speaker 4>So Cole Bishop did great man, and I just think

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<v Speaker 4>that that was prime game time experience for him that

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<v Speaker 4>he's going to be an awesome guy at the future

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<v Speaker 4>for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, moving over to Eagles commanders, and we'll end

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<v Speaker 1>with some mutes. Let me start here. You know, as

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<v Speaker 1>a Jets fan, I always cheer for teams that have

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<v Speaker 1>been down for a while, and the Dan Snyder years

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<v Speaker 1>were certainly dark for Washington football fans. Your takeaway from

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<v Speaker 1>year one with Jayden Daniels under center for Washington and

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<v Speaker 1>what you think that franchise is in for for the

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<v Speaker 1>next decade or so?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man, they're setting up.

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<v Speaker 4>They need to buy all of the Jaden Daniels kool

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<v Speaker 4>aid they can, right, like.

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<v Speaker 3>This is this is the guy, man. And when you

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<v Speaker 3>look at your pre.

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<v Speaker 4>Draft and analysis, you got to look at what am

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<v Speaker 4>I looking at? Why what's so different between Jaden Daniels

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<v Speaker 4>and Caleb Williams, Right? Is it the offensive coordinator. Can

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<v Speaker 4>you really say it's the system.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Jaden Daniels is just a great talent though

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<v Speaker 4>his ability to throw a really good ball extend the

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<v Speaker 4>play but understand what it is, and his humble approach

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<v Speaker 4>to the game. I think that you know, he won

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<v Speaker 4>respects his opponent, so he takes them seriously. But he's

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<v Speaker 4>also got a swagger that he's ultra confident that he's

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<v Speaker 4>able to get things done. So the NFL better watch out,

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<v Speaker 4>not just the NFC or NFC, he's the NFL better

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<v Speaker 4>watch out for this guy, because one, having a loss

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<v Speaker 4>in the NFC Championship in his rookie year is only

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<v Speaker 4>gonna make him hungrier. Hopefully he can get a stable

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<v Speaker 4>offensive coordinator or offense that you know will be with him,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you know, for a good amount of years

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<v Speaker 4>to where he can ultimately become you know, Josh Allen

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<v Speaker 4>or Patrick Mahomes and control the offense. But I think

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<v Speaker 4>this guy is the he's the future. You know, this

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<v Speaker 4>league human ces Stroud. We're gonna see them both in

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<v Speaker 4>the playoffs, you know, and I can't wait to see that.

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<v Speaker 4>It's gonna be awesome matchup. But you know, Jayden Daniels

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<v Speaker 4>is he's awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>He got that.

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<v Speaker 4>He got that team together, and that was the missing link.

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<v Speaker 4>I saw it last year. I was like, they got

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<v Speaker 4>a team, they just need a quarterback. You get Jade

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<v Speaker 4>and Daniels in there with with proper teaching, with a

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<v Speaker 4>good coach, and Ron Rivera out of there, and dan

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<v Speaker 4>Quinn in there. Who's the players guy? Like like when

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<v Speaker 4>I'm forgetting with the receiver that fumbled or early in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Game, how dan Quinn?

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<v Speaker 4>How dan Quinn goes up to the guys after they

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<v Speaker 4>make mistakes, It's like, look, we're still need you, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>game ain't over. It was a mistake, We're good, but

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<v Speaker 4>keep your head up, keep in it. And then after

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<v Speaker 4>that that player played great, right, And that's something Ron

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<v Speaker 3>Ron Rivera didn't have.

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<v Speaker 4>That type of rapport with players and and and so

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it's it's all about the right situation, the

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<v Speaker 4>right fit. And I think Jaden Daniels going into that

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<v Speaker 4>with Cliff Kingsbury and bj over there at Washington was

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<v Speaker 4>just just the perfect perfect time.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you and for our listeners who don't know Brian Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>former youth quarterback, you legend is the assistant head coach

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<v Speaker 2>Have you talked to BJ about Jayden?

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be really curious about, you know, for a guy

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I haven't. I actually haven't.

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<v Speaker 4>In the times that I've talked to BJ, I haven't

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<v Speaker 4>talked about Jayden at all.

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<v Speaker 3>I just know that Jaden is BJ type of player, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Jaden is like BJ when BJ was was coming out

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<v Speaker 4>of high school and what everybody was talking about BJ

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<v Speaker 4>here at Utah. That's Jade and Daniels, right, and jad

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<v Speaker 4>and Daniels to even have an opportunity he was supposed

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<v Speaker 4>to come to Utah, right, There's just so much semblance

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<v Speaker 4>listening to interviews with Jaden, you just understand he's got

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<v Speaker 4>his head on the shoulders and he he listens, right,

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<v Speaker 4>He respects, you know, people and let them they know

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<v Speaker 4>what they're doing. And I think that if you give

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<v Speaker 4>guys like Cliff Kingsbury and BJ an opportunity to teach

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<v Speaker 4>you to to really invest in you, you're only going

429
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<v Speaker 4>to have success. So I think that you know Jaden's

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<v Speaker 4>humbleness going into it. I don't even need to talk

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<v Speaker 4>to BJ. I know exactly what he's gonna say. It

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<v Speaker 4>is like that kid's the future. He's great, and so hopefully,

433
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<v Speaker 4>you know, this offseason he just gets better and better

434
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<v Speaker 4>understands exactly what's out. You know that that rookie year

435
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<v Speaker 4>is really hard, right, you know, from you know, finishing college,

436
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<v Speaker 4>getting the Heisman, doing Senior Bowl, combine, Pro days, all

437
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<v Speaker 4>these interviews, going to the draft, going to mini camps.

438
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<v Speaker 4>It's that process is crazy. So going into the next year,

439
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<v Speaker 4>you don't have to do none of that, right you don't.

440
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<v Speaker 4>I mean you go up to OTA's mini camps. That's

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<v Speaker 4>all you have to do during the off season instead

442
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<v Speaker 4>of all that other stuff. So hopefully year two for

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<v Speaker 4>Jayden Daniels will be even better because he's getting rest

444
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<v Speaker 4>right and so just an amazing future ahead of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Dude.

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't talked to BJ yet, but hopefully I can

447
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<v Speaker 4>talk to BJ here the next couple of months about

448
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<v Speaker 4>his first year.

449
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<v Speaker 3>We watched him all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, before we get over to some Utah football news

451
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<v Speaker 1>that just broke, give me your early take. We got

452
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<v Speaker 1>two weeks, So of course we're going to talk about

453
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<v Speaker 1>it every day. Kansas City one point five point favorite,

454
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<v Speaker 1>that's the opening line.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think happens in the Super Bowl? Slide?

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<v Speaker 4>And looking at it, right, I've always said that I'm

457
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<v Speaker 4>a guy of matchups. I think Philadelphia's offense, man, it's

458
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<v Speaker 4>just amazing.

459
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<v Speaker 3>But right, what Steve Spagnola does in the Kansas.

460
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<v Speaker 4>City defense, I think it's his game planning ability that

461
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<v Speaker 4>just sets him apart. Right, and then you got McDuffie

462
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<v Speaker 4>at the cornerback position at a lineup over you know,

463
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<v Speaker 4>AJ Brown or Davonte Smith and and essentially I think

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<v Speaker 4>that's that's an eliminating factor, you know, but you know

465
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<v Speaker 4>that you do have all of the other weapons and

466
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<v Speaker 4>Goddard and and Devonte Smith, and so you can do that.

467
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<v Speaker 4>And then of course Jaylen Hurts his ability to do

468
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<v Speaker 4>things with his legs. And you know, we saw what

469
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<v Speaker 4>Jaden Jalen Hurts did in the Super Bowl a couple

470
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<v Speaker 4>of years ago. He put on the m v P

471
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<v Speaker 4>performance in a losing effort, and so if he can

472
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<v Speaker 4>do that here in this game, you know, I think

473
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<v Speaker 4>they might have an advantage here. But you know, for me.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the defenses, right, and I think that Philadelphia's secondary

475
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<v Speaker 4>is too young to keep up with Kansas City's uh

476
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<v Speaker 4>uh experienced offense.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. You got one of the best to ever do

478
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<v Speaker 3>it in Patrick Mahomes.

479
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<v Speaker 4>Who's only seven years in and considered the best to

480
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<v Speaker 4>ever do it.

481
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<v Speaker 3>It's insane.

482
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<v Speaker 4>So he's young, considered the best he's ever do it,

483
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<v Speaker 4>and he's got weapons across the board, from from Hopkins

484
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<v Speaker 4>to you know, Juju Smith Schuster, who's guys got rapport

485
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<v Speaker 4>with him, to you know, the the rookie out of Texas,

486
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<v Speaker 4>Travis Kelce, Noah Gray at tight end, the multiple running

487
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<v Speaker 4>backs in Kareem Hunt and and Isaiah Pacheco. Like, uh,

488
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<v Speaker 4>just Patrick Mahomes's ability to matter who's around him to

489
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<v Speaker 4>do things. I think that secondary and what we talked

490
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<v Speaker 4>about in the last evement about pre snap readability. I

491
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<v Speaker 4>gotta give the edge to Kansas City here, and so

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<v Speaker 4>I favor that line. It's going to be a great game.

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<v Speaker 4>Matchups are there as far as personnel goes, but yeah, man,

494
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<v Speaker 4>I gotta give them me. I gotta give the Edgekinas City.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Little Utah football news, it's not good news

496
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<v Speaker 1>on a Monday, but they're gonna lose another cornerback, Keenan Johnson,

497
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<v Speaker 1>who had season ending knee surgery. Excuse me, he had

498
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<v Speaker 1>a season ending knee injury, so I don't know if

499
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<v Speaker 1>he was going to be ready to go anyway. But nonetheless,

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<v Speaker 1>it hurts when you look at you know, just kind

501
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<v Speaker 1>of the too deep and where people align. My guess

502
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<v Speaker 1>is he would have started. He was a Georgia Tech

503
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<v Speaker 1>transfer to Utah and then about an hour and a

504
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<v Speaker 1>half agoing now so that he's leaving the program.

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<v Speaker 2>So what what's your reaction to this?

506
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it is what it is.

507
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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you Todd did right by you, but you

508
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<v Speaker 4>know you I feel like you want to go somewhere else.

509
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<v Speaker 4>That's that's what's crazy, is yeah. I mean, same thing

510
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<v Speaker 4>with this Anthony Woods guy, right the running back. We

511
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<v Speaker 4>got him from Idaho, we got him while he was injured,

512
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<v Speaker 4>we rehabbed him, and now he got a free year

513
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<v Speaker 4>and he entered the portal. So I'm just like it

514
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<v Speaker 4>sucks because what's gonna happen here is you're gonna get

515
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<v Speaker 4>a doggy dog world coming up.

516
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<v Speaker 3>Right.

517
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<v Speaker 4>You're gonna give these universities the ability to treat you

518
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<v Speaker 4>like employees.

519
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<v Speaker 3>And when you don't do right, you're out right.

520
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<v Speaker 4>There's no you owe me, I owe you, there's no

521
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<v Speaker 4>loyalty with all this stuff. It's like, look, this is

522
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<v Speaker 4>what the game is. Let's do it right. You know,

523
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<v Speaker 4>these guys make all kinds of money, money that you know,

524
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<v Speaker 4>normal people spend four or five years can make these

525
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<v Speaker 4>guys make in six months and they don't even play,

526
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<v Speaker 4>and so like it's it's crazy. I know he's got

527
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<v Speaker 4>injured at the beginning of the season, but you know

528
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<v Speaker 4>if you felt in his heart that you know, I

529
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<v Speaker 4>had to get out and make that happen. Or you know,

530
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<v Speaker 4>of course, everybody always talks about all of this. You know,

531
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<v Speaker 4>what do you call it when somebody is trying to

532
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<v Speaker 4>steal you from another program?

533
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<v Speaker 3>Everybody?

534
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, everybody's talking about poaching and all this other stuff.

535
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<v Speaker 4>And so it's real. That stuff is real. You jump

536
00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:26.119
<v Speaker 4>into portal. So I mean, for me, I always wait

537
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<v Speaker 4>and see, like how fast does he commit to another university?

538
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<v Speaker 3>Right?

539
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<v Speaker 4>Like how fast did you know ton of Boss I

540
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<v Speaker 4>commit to b YU, Right? How fast did some of

541
00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:37.359
<v Speaker 4>these other guys commit to some of these other places?

542
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<v Speaker 3>And I'm just like Ken and Johnson.

543
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<v Speaker 4>Like it was a rough year, you know, last year,

544
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<v Speaker 4>but you know it was your first year in the program.

545
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<v Speaker 4>So there's not a lot of guys who have invested

546
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<v Speaker 4>in the program over the years, and so best of

547
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<v Speaker 4>luck to him wherever he goes. But you know, I

548
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<v Speaker 4>think the mantra with Utah this next year would be like,

549
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<v Speaker 4>if you don't want to be here to it's fine,

550
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:02.640
<v Speaker 4>We're gonna win with the guys that are here. And

551
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<v Speaker 4>so we didn't get to see a lot out of Kennon,

552
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<v Speaker 4>so it's hard to say like we're gonna miss you.

553
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<v Speaker 3>But you know, other than.

554
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<v Speaker 4>The coaches saying Kennon was great, you know Kennon, the

555
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<v Speaker 4>coaches also said that a lot of other positions were

556
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<v Speaker 4>great they didn't pan out last year as well. So

557
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<v Speaker 4>but on tape, we didn't get to see much from

558
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<v Speaker 4>this guy. And I you know, wish him success, but

559
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<v Speaker 4>you don't want to be here, don't don't be here,

560
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<v Speaker 4>as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, Slyve, Thanks for the time, man, have a

562
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<v Speaker 1>great weekend. We'll chat soon, all right, brother, we'll talk

563
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<v Speaker 1>to you soon. I had the great Stevenson Sylvester
