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<v Speaker 1>It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Talk seven nine day. Now here's Nick Coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I talked a lot last week about how

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<v Speaker 2>it's been kind of fun to know that bracketology is

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<v Speaker 2>really not worth a whole lot, but it's a reference point.

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<v Speaker 3>And we love the tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>We love March madness, seeing where your team is on

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<v Speaker 2>a hypothetical bracket. If anybody's gonna enjoy it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be those of us around here who love college basketball.

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<v Speaker 2>And I didn't look at it much at all the

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<v Speaker 2>last few years for obvious reasons, because I didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>a team that I was worried about their seat or

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<v Speaker 2>are they gonna make it, or are they on the bubble?

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<v Speaker 2>And last week I really started looking just because it

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<v Speaker 2>was nice to see that, you know, as of now

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<v Speaker 2>those who are projecting and I agree with him too.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what made it better is that I knew that

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<v Speaker 2>they were right. Louisville should be at least a tournament team,

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<v Speaker 2>not a whole lot of wiggle room there. But now

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<v Speaker 2>here we are two games after. I mean again, think

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<v Speaker 2>about it. A week ago, they were probably safely in,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, bubblish, and now you've added a home

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<v Speaker 2>game home win against a good Clemson team. You beat

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<v Speaker 2>Pittsburgh at their place, to give you your best win on

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<v Speaker 2>the resume up to this point. So I just checked

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<v Speaker 2>during the break Jerry Palm. I checked both Leonardi and

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry Palm. And I know there's others out there, but

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<v Speaker 2>when you google, those are the first two that come up,

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<v Speaker 2>the ESPN one and the CBS one. Leonardi hasn't updated

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<v Speaker 2>his bracket since the tenth but our man, Jerry Palm.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm saying our man because he's my man, unless

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't want to be.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why he wouldn't want to be. But

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<v Speaker 3>he's got Louisville as a sixth seed.

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<v Speaker 2>Austin Louisville right now, a six seed in Jerry Palm's

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<v Speaker 2>updated bracket that came out at noon today, so he

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<v Speaker 2>has them in the Midwest region and they are a

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<v Speaker 2>sixth seed. They would play the winner of one the

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<v Speaker 2>playing games, and the playing games right now are Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>State and Dayton and UCF and Creighton, so you'd play

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<v Speaker 2>the you'd play a winner of one of those games

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<v Speaker 2>again hypothetically, and your.

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<v Speaker 3>Three seed, which of course is who you'd.

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<v Speaker 2>Play if you win, would be in Michigan State, who's

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<v Speaker 2>got Saint Louis, who's a fourteen seed. Now, the fourth

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<v Speaker 2>seed in that region, according to Jerry Palm, is Kentucky, which, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>Kentucky's resume were like, honestly, Kentucky, I wouldn't. You could

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<v Speaker 2>tell me they're a four everywhere, and I'd kind of

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<v Speaker 2>believe you, because for whatever reason they're I mean, their

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<v Speaker 2>their resume. As far as just what I know about

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<v Speaker 2>the teams they've played, I feel like the resume is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty damn good. But for reasons I don't really know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not loved by the Ken Palm and they're not

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<v Speaker 2>necessary Well, they're.

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<v Speaker 3>Good, they're in a good spot, better than most.

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<v Speaker 2>But I feel like those who watch Kentucky and would

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<v Speaker 2>put a bracket together would probably seed them higher than

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<v Speaker 2>those that do it based off of these formulas. Because

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<v Speaker 2>right now Kentucky is in the Ken Palm sitting at

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<v Speaker 2>number twenty one, which you know, at thirteen and three

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<v Speaker 2>with wins over Florida, Mississippi.

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<v Speaker 3>State, Duke, and Gonzaga.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of feel like a four seed is is

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<v Speaker 2>almost crazy, to be honest with you, I mean, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wrong because their losses are I mean, their losses

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<v Speaker 2>are to all teams that are going to be in

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the Ohio State lost by twenty points is

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<v Speaker 2>not looking great because they're a bubble team. But Georgia

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<v Speaker 2>is going to make the tournament. And Georgia, after beating Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 3>Ended up beating who was it?

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<v Speaker 2>They went out and knocked off Oklahoma, who you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Louislle needs Oklahoma to be good and they keep losing now.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean, I'm surprised to see them at

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<v Speaker 2>a four seed considering the wins they have. But again,

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<v Speaker 2>I think if you're somebody that is trying to predict

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<v Speaker 2>what the NCAA committee is going to do, what you're

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<v Speaker 2>saying here is that you're based you're giving the net

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<v Speaker 2>rankings a lot of value when it comes to how

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<v Speaker 2>they decide this, because again, let me see in the net.

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<v Speaker 2>I just had the net rankings pulled up here, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're not as easy to get to because they're you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's within the NAA website.

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<v Speaker 3>But here here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Kentucky right now is, yeah, they're up to thirteen in

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<v Speaker 2>the in the net, so they're higher in the net

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<v Speaker 2>than they are the kin Palm, So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I just to me, I feel like you're from Mike's son. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just typing over here, just just but it's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like the show's really productive, and it happens

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes I'll leave my mic on two. But anyways, with

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<v Speaker 2>Kentucky and Jerry, like, I don't know, Jerry, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>there are Kentucky fans listening now, some of them. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they're now getting ready to go battle and send Jerry

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<v Speaker 2>Palm a mean tweet or something, because I would be

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<v Speaker 2>shocked if other bracketology that's out there would have them

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<v Speaker 2>anything lower than a three seed. But he's got them

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<v Speaker 2>at a four. So again, Kentucky, this is something you've

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<v Speaker 2>been used to for a long time. You guys have

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<v Speaker 2>made the tournament forever. I mean Cal missed the tournament

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<v Speaker 2>how many years twice? I think it was in two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and thirteen and in twoenty twenty one. Other than that,

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<v Speaker 2>you've been safely in the dance. So for Louisville, it's

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<v Speaker 2>been a while, and the last time we were geared

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<v Speaker 2>up for selection Sunday, you know what we got. We

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<v Speaker 2>got left out, the first team on the outside looking in.

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<v Speaker 3>Because of those bid stealers.

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<v Speaker 2>So that, by the way, that was like that was tragic,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I could I could feel as the day went on,

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<v Speaker 2>and these teams that would win these leagues that weren't

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to win these leagues in the year where we

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<v Speaker 2>played college basketball with no fans and games would get

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<v Speaker 2>canceled day of I mean, in that weird world that

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<v Speaker 2>we were in at that time, like to have that

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<v Speaker 2>be the year you get left out, I mean it

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense just because of how weird of a year

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<v Speaker 2>it was. If Louisville ended up playing many of the

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<v Speaker 2>games they missed because of COVID, they probably ended up

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<v Speaker 2>getting in not with a great seed.

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<v Speaker 3>But the last time we were.

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<v Speaker 2>Interested in watching Selection Sunday as Louisville fans, we got

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<v Speaker 2>stabbed in the heart.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and that was a we were were the first

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<v Speaker 4>COVID reserve team though, right. Yeah, if any team went

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<v Speaker 4>out that we're gonna call Louisville hit them with the

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<v Speaker 4>hay you up text?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that was that bite. It worse because you

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<v Speaker 2>had to decide for yourself. Are you even gonna think

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<v Speaker 2>about that being a probability or possibility, like it's completely

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<v Speaker 2>out of your control or do you also want to

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<v Speaker 2>want to be publicly rooting for someone to catch a

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<v Speaker 2>virus that you know at the time people thought this

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<v Speaker 2>was going to road. It was just weird, man, What

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<v Speaker 2>a weird, weird time that was. So look, I'm loving

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<v Speaker 2>watching all these bracketologists give their updates because all of

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<v Speaker 2>them have Louisville safely in as of right now. And

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that that's not something we used to get

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<v Speaker 2>super excited about, but you know, perspective matters, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>loving it. And right now in the net, Louisville is

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<v Speaker 2>sitting at thirty five, so thirty five in the net,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the kin palm they are at thirty four,

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<v Speaker 2>so in a good spot.

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<v Speaker 3>And again, I.

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<v Speaker 2>You what worried me about last week Clemson and Home

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<v Speaker 2>Pitt at Pitt was that you could lose and it

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<v Speaker 2>probably doesn't hurt you, meaning like it probably doesn't in

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<v Speaker 2>real time stain your resume. It doesn't if you lose

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<v Speaker 2>those games competitively, it does not end up resulting in

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<v Speaker 2>you taking some kind of big loss that like how

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<v Speaker 2>can you recover from that?

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<v Speaker 3>Now? If you lose the Eku.

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<v Speaker 2>I think at this point you're still probably on the

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<v Speaker 2>outside looking in, which is wild to think about. But

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<v Speaker 2>how about Noah Waterman. I mean, didn't have a good

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<v Speaker 2>game against didn't have a good game against pitt And

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<v Speaker 2>obviously we now know he's been playing with a hurt thumb.

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<v Speaker 2>He's had pins put in his thumb, but he's still

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<v Speaker 2>playing through it. Clearly we now know that's been a

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<v Speaker 2>factor and why he struggled at times this year. But man,

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<v Speaker 2>when they needed a bucket late to avoid a disastrous loss,

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<v Speaker 2>he came through. And my dad said that on the

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<v Speaker 2>way home from Pittsburgh yesterday, he said, if you thought

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<v Speaker 2>about what or how important now that bucket by Waterman

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<v Speaker 2>looks And I hadn't thought of it about it, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's right, I mean that would. And look, that's also

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of a weird way that's made this more

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<v Speaker 2>exciting is that, like, I know, this team could mess

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<v Speaker 2>around and lose to anybody. So therefore, when they play

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<v Speaker 2>well and beat good teams where they play well and

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<v Speaker 2>and prove that they're better than a team that we

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<v Speaker 2>already thought was good, what that does for me is

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<v Speaker 2>that you know that there's a level of kind of

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<v Speaker 2>And this is gonna sound weird. I'm gonna try to

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<v Speaker 2>make make I'm I'm gonna try to make sense here

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<v Speaker 2>when I say this.

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<v Speaker 3>I think when.

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<v Speaker 2>You are in a great spot with your program, where

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<v Speaker 2>you are elite, Louisville was there once, right, like a

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<v Speaker 2>loss at any point was surprising. You could lose to

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<v Speaker 2>good teams and you'd have to deal with it. But

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<v Speaker 2>like you were getting twenty four to twenty five wins minimum,

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<v Speaker 2>and that that's just the way it was when that

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<v Speaker 2>when the expectations there, there are some games where they're

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<v Speaker 2>still fun. You want to see your team win, but

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<v Speaker 2>like you're kind of bummed if you win. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>ugly right now. If you're in a great league, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't really matter. But for Louisville kind of knowing that

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<v Speaker 2>we would lose a lot of I mean, Louisvill's record

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<v Speaker 2>in ACC played the last two years was awful. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean they were dead last two straight years where the

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<v Speaker 2>league was as bad as it's ever been. So to

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<v Speaker 2>go from that to now winning games and sometimes beating

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<v Speaker 2>good teams, and I think on Saturday you made a

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<v Speaker 2>case that you are the second best team in the ACC.

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<v Speaker 2>People can claim that that doesn't mean anything because they

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<v Speaker 2>don't believe the ACC is any good at all. Whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care, I'm going to enjoy it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's kind of where I'm at with it. So

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<v Speaker 2>when when when success is unexpected or not guaranteed, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more satisfying. I feel like I've learned

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<v Speaker 2>that this go around. This is That's what I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I've learned throughout this season so far. Whenever success

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<v Speaker 2>has been sustained, it almost feels like as a fan,

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<v Speaker 2>you're rooting in to make sure your team keeps the

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<v Speaker 2>standard where it is, and that's still good to see

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<v Speaker 2>if it's working out. But the feeling you get in

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<v Speaker 2>that situation is more of just being confirmed right, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, yeah, that's what we do, that's what we do,

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<v Speaker 2>it's who we are, and that's a good place to

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<v Speaker 2>be because you know why. That means you're good. That

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<v Speaker 2>means you've been winning pretty consistently. But we haven't around here.

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<v Speaker 2>So now there's a level of emotion attached to anything

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<v Speaker 2>good for Louisville that one we didn't have recently. And

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<v Speaker 2>because of the law. The near lost to EKU and

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<v Speaker 2>UTEP like they could no games super safe. However, they've

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<v Speaker 2>been a different team really since they played since they

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<v Speaker 2>played North Carolina, they've been a different team. They have

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely been a different team. Defensively, their intensity has been insane,

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<v Speaker 2>their attention to their attention to detail, and their defensive

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<v Speaker 3>And they've they've missed shots.

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<v Speaker 2>They've had bad nights at the free throw line, like

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<v Speaker 2>layups actually in that game against pitt But yet they're

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<v Speaker 2>doing everything else so well and they're playing so hard

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<v Speaker 2>that they're able to still go win. And that's why

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<v Speaker 2>some of these guys, in fact, most of these guys

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<v Speaker 2>as their ability, not all of them, but most of them.

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<v Speaker 3>But I also know that at any.

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<v Speaker 2>do that. Terrence Edward, I mean, were Louisville was really

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<v Speaker 2>is Again, that's when you have that balance. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can have who was It? You could have Hadley

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<v Speaker 2>night out it's not. It's not thirty for rain Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's getting he's close to it. He's given you

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<v Speaker 2>He's had a thirty plus point game. Terrence Edwards junior,

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<v Speaker 2>he had fourteen. He's had games in the twenties, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean these guys, I feel like the established

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<v Speaker 2>roles for everybody that's getting legitimate playing time has been

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<v Speaker 2>has been set, and you may have a night where somebody,

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<v Speaker 2>like for example, Edwards, when Louisville beat Clemson and they

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<v Speaker 2>beat who was it?

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<v Speaker 3>Was it?

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<v Speaker 2>Who was in Virginia? You know Edwards didn't have his

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<v Speaker 2>straight games without scoring double digits. Edwards went from let's

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<v Speaker 2>listen to the stat line here from Edwards twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>against Duke, twenty two against UTEP, twenty three against UK

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen against FSU, twenty against EKU. Well then against Carolina,

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<v Speaker 2>Virginia and Clemson seven seven and five, So you know

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<v Speaker 2>he went two of eleven against Clemson. He went two

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<v Speaker 2>of nine against Virginia, two of twelve against Carolina. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not bringing these things up to criticize him. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>that you can have a guy struggle, but if everybody

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<v Speaker 2>if he's still playing hard and making an impact in

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<v Speaker 2>other areas, and everybody else is playing well, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you have one or two guys that maybe play above

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<v Speaker 2>what they at what they typically do, like Hadley did

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<v Speaker 2>against Clemson, like Rain did against Pittsburgh. That's how you

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<v Speaker 2>end up in this position to where you know you're

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<v Speaker 2>not playing perfect, some guys are not shooting the ball great,

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<v Speaker 2>But when you have that kind of balance and that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of consistency, you can withstand somebody not having a

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<v Speaker 2>good night. I mean, just looking at the numbers here.

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<v Speaker 2>Whenever Louisville was hit with the bad news that they

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<v Speaker 2>knew they didn't have Corn Johnson the rest of the season,

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<v Speaker 2>they knew they didn't have case In. Prior to the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the season, you didn't really know what was

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen with Trey Ora. You still didn't see

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<v Speaker 2>any real comfort level for Pat Kelsey to play Big Frank,

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of felt like you got a seven man

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<v Speaker 2>team right now, Like, that's what you have. So I

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<v Speaker 2>just felt like, man, the ceiling's not high, and they

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<v Speaker 2>got to be. They can't have many, they can't have

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<v Speaker 2>many guys have an off night and beat anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's just the way I saw it. I know

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't alone.

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<v Speaker 2>But here we are a month and some change later,

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<v Speaker 2>they've become a really good team with this new version

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<v Speaker 2>of themselves. Again, they could lose to anybody. We all

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<v Speaker 2>know that, but what a job it's been for Pat

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<v Speaker 2>Kelsey because you tell me, once it became clear that

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to have to rely on Terrence Edwards to

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<v Speaker 2>score a lot of points because they're so thin with injuries.

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<v Speaker 2>A scenario where he makes six shots, he goes two

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<v Speaker 2>of eleven, two of nine, two of twelve in three

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<v Speaker 2>straight games against Carolina, Virginia and Clemson. The percentage chance

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<v Speaker 2>I would have given Louisville to win those games, knowing

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<v Speaker 2>that was his stat line would have been close to zero.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure that's me not giving these guys enough credit.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that's me, you know, overreacting and being worried.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, let's be real, this group hasn't just found

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<v Speaker 2>ways to win whenever it looked as if they were

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<v Speaker 2>just snake bit with the injuries, They've become a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>damn good team. And again I talked about this at

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of the show on Saturday. It kind of

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<v Speaker 2>felt like and I'm sure it was because it was

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<v Speaker 2>a win against pitt at their place. Who Pitt at

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<v Speaker 2>that time, until Louisville showed up, they were i think

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<v Speaker 2>visibly the second If you watch them play and you

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<v Speaker 2>keep up with college oops, I think you would say

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<v Speaker 2>before Louisville showed up, pitt was the second best team

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<v Speaker 2>in the league and it wasn't close. Well, now, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you have to get that to Louisville because right

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<v Speaker 2>now Louisville's only loss is to Duke, a team that

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<v Speaker 2>might run the table in this league. In fact, I

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<v Speaker 2>think they will. And then the other teams that are

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<v Speaker 2>believed to be in the tournament that are decent. I

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<v Speaker 2>think some of these teams are better than decent, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm sure others don't. You've got Carolina, Pittsburgh.

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<v Speaker 3>And Clemson.

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<v Speaker 2>Little of It has beat all three of them, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this team is playing in a way that

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<v Speaker 2>I never anticipated and it's been awesome to see. And

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<v Speaker 2>again it goes back to what I've been talking about

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<v Speaker 2>in the last few minutes, is that when it's unexpected

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<v Speaker 2>or it's in doubt, it's not certain, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>get your team going on the road and winning a

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<v Speaker 2>big game or relying on a great home crowd to

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<v Speaker 2>beat Carolina. I mean, the joy you get from that

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<v Speaker 2>is it's amplified all or Let's get to the phone

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<v Speaker 2>lines coming up here on the other side. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>on hold stag with us, Mike, you'll be up first.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you want a hold of the break, we

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<v Speaker 2>will get right to you and continue continue the party.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we call it that a party on a Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of weird, but we're having fun. Yeah, at

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<v Speaker 2>least I am. Hopefully you guys are as well. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>Ninety Now back to coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's

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<v Speaker 1>on Sports Talk seven nine day.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a heavy basketball show thus far as you

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<v Speaker 2>could expect. I mean, Louisville basketball is seemingly back. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like we can say that now and not just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like you know, I feel like we need

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<v Speaker 2>to speak it into existence. I know the the fan

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<v Speaker 2>energy is back, and I'm not talking attendance that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff, but you can just tell, man, there's there's

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<v Speaker 2>there's habits that we used to have as louis Of

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<v Speaker 2>basketball fans during the season, and uh, you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to call it a nostalgiica because it's

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<v Speaker 2>not like it's been it's been decades, but man, it's been.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been long enough, and it's been a fun ride

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<v Speaker 2>thus far, and I cannot wait to see how this

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<v Speaker 2>team finishes the rest of the way, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>fans have a good reason to think that they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to finish strong. So we'll continue to talk some hoops,

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<v Speaker 2>but I do want to tell you we are going

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<v Speaker 2>to get some footall stuff before we run out of

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<v Speaker 2>before we get out of here today, because we've got

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<v Speaker 2>an NFL playoff game tonight, we've got the college football

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<v Speaker 2>National Championship set. Haven't even shared any thoughts on that

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<v Speaker 2>matchup just yet, and we now know where Pierce Clarkson,

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<v Speaker 2>the former Louisville QB, it's going to be transferring to.

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<v Speaker 3>So we'll get to that. But let's go to the

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<v Speaker 3>phone lines. Five two. I'm seven to one.

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<v Speaker 2>Seventy nine hundred is the number if you guys would

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<v Speaker 2>like to jump in and join us. And let's go

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<v Speaker 2>back to the phone lines and welcome in, Mike, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>how we doing, Hey.

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<v Speaker 5>Man, doing great? Doing great. I'm a Kentucky fans, and

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<v Speaker 5>we'll get that out of the way. But I really

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<v Speaker 5>am glad to see Louisville come back and be a

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<v Speaker 5>competitive and be a good team. And I slowly are

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<v Speaker 5>the second best team in the ACC. And then the

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<v Speaker 5>ACC is not great this year, but they're absolutely going

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<v Speaker 5>to get four or five, maybe even six teams in

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<v Speaker 5>the tournament. So that's all positive. So love that. And

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<v Speaker 5>the second thing is, you know, the more you know

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<v Speaker 5>people that you you meet or you have an understanding of,

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<v Speaker 5>like what you think they're all about, and then the

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<v Speaker 5>more you get to know them, sometimes you're like you

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<v Speaker 5>like them even better, and sometimes you can't handle them well.

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<v Speaker 5>Like Mark Pope is.

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<v Speaker 6>The more I get to know the guy, the more

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<v Speaker 6>I like him. Kelsey, the more I get to know him,

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<v Speaker 6>the more I like him. Marcus Freeman, the more I

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<v Speaker 6>learned about him, the more I like him. And then

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<v Speaker 6>James Franklin for Penn State. The more I get to

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<v Speaker 6>know him, the less I like that dude, and the

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<v Speaker 6>more I think he's over right.

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<v Speaker 2>We're on the same page. Thank you for the call, Mike.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it. Yeah, we're not on the same page

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<v Speaker 2>as far as which teams we root for, But other

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<v Speaker 2>than that, I'm totally with you because with Mark Pope,

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<v Speaker 2>to me, he what we knew about him before he

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<v Speaker 2>got the job. Now, Kentucky fans may have kept up

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<v Speaker 2>with him at BYU, kept up with him at Utah

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<v Speaker 2>Valley and the NBA. I mean, he's a He's a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who played on a national championship team and went

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<v Speaker 2>on to the NBA, so I'm sure they were well

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<v Speaker 2>more more aware of kind of you know, his brand,

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<v Speaker 2>his image, that kind of stuff before he became their coach.

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<v Speaker 2>I just, you know, I knew of him as a

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<v Speaker 2>guy and also as a basketball coach. I just never

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<v Speaker 2>thought he'd be the guy that would take over for

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<v Speaker 2>John calip Berry also never thought Pat Kelsey would be

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<v Speaker 2>the guy to take over the Louisville job. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we were both wrong in that regards as far as

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<v Speaker 2>take over the job when it opens up. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think Pope more than anything, I just feel like what

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<v Speaker 2>I see as genuine. I feel like what he did

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<v Speaker 2>with the young man in the wheelchair that was at

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<v Speaker 2>the Mississippi State game, And for those who didn't see it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's see everywhere. I'm sure you have seen it because

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<v Speaker 2>it's gone viral. Pope stuck around, and I guess he

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<v Speaker 2>the fans that did make the trip and said hello,

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<v Speaker 2>Probably sound some basketballs, probably took some pictures, but he

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<v Speaker 2>saw a young man in a wheelchair that obviously couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>get down to court level, and he walked up there

422
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<v Speaker 2>himself and sat down and chatted with the young man,

423
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<v Speaker 2>just talking basketball. And somebody there got a video of it,

424
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<v Speaker 2>and of course things like that go viral. And I'm glad,

425
00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:44.680
<v Speaker 2>and the Internet is awesome. It's a great resource, it's

426
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<v Speaker 2>a great tool.

427
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<v Speaker 3>Social media. You can say the.

428
00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Same thing, but there's also some real proof out there

429
00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:51.279
<v Speaker 2>that social media can be toxic and can actually make

430
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<v Speaker 2>you feel more negatively about everything. After a brief experience

431
00:19:56.480 --> 00:19:59.559
<v Speaker 2>on certain social media platforms, so that'll always be the case.

432
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<v Speaker 2>But there's also some great things you see that you

433
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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't see if it wasn't for the power of social media,

434
00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:06.519
<v Speaker 2>and to see Mark Pope do that that was in

435
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<v Speaker 2>that beyond video, and it also be clear that he

436
00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:11.759
<v Speaker 2>doesn't think I don't think he knew anybody was filming that,

437
00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:14.559
<v Speaker 2>which again makes it seem even more so like it's genuine.

438
00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:16.839
<v Speaker 2>So with Pope, I've never thought he wasn't a good guy,

439
00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:20.559
<v Speaker 2>but the more I do see him in that role,

440
00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:23.319
<v Speaker 2>the more humble he he. I mean, he is quite

441
00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:28.000
<v Speaker 2>literally the opposite of Cal. And Cal, you know, he's

442
00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:30.599
<v Speaker 2>having a really rough, really rough year at Arkansas in

443
00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:33.640
<v Speaker 2>year one and he's doing the same nonsense. And it's

444
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<v Speaker 2>not he hasn't won there yet. He hasn't won in

445
00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:38.519
<v Speaker 2>a long time anywhere for him to be able to

446
00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:41.920
<v Speaker 2>do that and not piss people off. So, you know,

447
00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Cal the last I don't know, five six years different,

448
00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:49.839
<v Speaker 2>but like when Cal was arrogant and he carried himself

449
00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:53.759
<v Speaker 2>like the guy that he's kind of always carried himself

450
00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:56.319
<v Speaker 2>at as and he won at a high level at

451
00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:58.640
<v Speaker 2>a place like Kentucky. He was a good villain for

452
00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:01.039
<v Speaker 2>us as the rival, but like he had some real

453
00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:05.279
<v Speaker 2>credentials in real time to carry himself the way that

454
00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:08.920
<v Speaker 2>he did. So it wasn't it wasn't really, you know,

455
00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:12.640
<v Speaker 2>to me, it wasn't. This guy individually is is a

456
00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:15.319
<v Speaker 2>real pompous a hole. It's just, man, he's the coach

457
00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:17.640
<v Speaker 2>of Kentucky. He's a larger than life guy right now,

458
00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:19.559
<v Speaker 2>and he's he's letting you know that he's aware of it.

459
00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:24.160
<v Speaker 3>So what I'm getting at is with Mark Pope, he's.

460
00:21:24.039 --> 00:21:27.359
<v Speaker 2>He's somebody that I don't think you'll ever see act

461
00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:28.720
<v Speaker 2>as if he's bigger than the program.

462
00:21:28.759 --> 00:21:30.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean, with Cal, that was how that was how

463
00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:32.319
<v Speaker 3>they operated. That was how that was how it worked.

464
00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:36.039
<v Speaker 2>And for a while it worked out well and then

465
00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:38.359
<v Speaker 2>when it started to not work it it fell pretty

466
00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:41.480
<v Speaker 2>quickly and it became a very you know, bad situation

467
00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:44.359
<v Speaker 2>for the fan base and Cal himself because it had

468
00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:46.839
<v Speaker 2>just run its course. So with Pope, I just he's

469
00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:49.240
<v Speaker 2>I think the humble guy that you see is very

470
00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:53.440
<v Speaker 2>much genuine. I think he is not out in any

471
00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:56.720
<v Speaker 2>way to get attention. I think he's he's very humble

472
00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.920
<v Speaker 2>I think he's selfless and he's I mean again, I'm

473
00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:04.519
<v Speaker 2>about to block out just glazing over the Kentucky basketball coach,

474
00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:06.359
<v Speaker 2>but I'm just being honest. I think he's a good dude,

475
00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:08.160
<v Speaker 2>and he's also a good basketball coach, which is not

476
00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:11.400
<v Speaker 2>a good recipe for us as Louisville fans, because we

477
00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:13.480
<v Speaker 2>want Kentucky to not be good at basketball, which they

478
00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:15.759
<v Speaker 2>probably always will be, at least to an extent, and

479
00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:17.920
<v Speaker 2>we want their coach to be easy to dislike, but

480
00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:21.799
<v Speaker 2>he's not. And Louisville fans, I can't speak for Kentucky

481
00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:23.559
<v Speaker 2>fans because I'm not one.

482
00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:25.599
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't. I couldn't put myself in your shoes.

483
00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:31.640
<v Speaker 2>But to see Louisville basketball, your rival be where it

484
00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:35.440
<v Speaker 2>was for three four years consecutively, really the last two

485
00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:38.640
<v Speaker 2>were bad bad. The year before that was also bad.

486
00:22:39.240 --> 00:22:43.200
<v Speaker 2>But before then, like Louisville was solid, in fact, sometimes

487
00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:45.519
<v Speaker 2>really good, but there were enough scandals out there to

488
00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:48.519
<v Speaker 2>wear like. We gave Kentucky fans a lot of ammunition.

489
00:22:49.279 --> 00:22:51.799
<v Speaker 2>We gave them enough in about a five six year window.

490
00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:54.519
<v Speaker 2>I feel like that should last more than a lifetime.

491
00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:58.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, think about what ammunition we gave Kentucky fans

492
00:22:58.000 --> 00:22:59.839
<v Speaker 2>to make fun of us when it comes to basketball,

493
00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:03.200
<v Speaker 2>and it really, I mean the ammunition that was bad

494
00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:05.680
<v Speaker 2>was not even wins and losses like the last two years.

495
00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:07.319
<v Speaker 2>Those were terrible, and they could make fun of us

496
00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:09.759
<v Speaker 2>for that and whatnot. But we gave him, you know,

497
00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:12.279
<v Speaker 2>non basketball related stuff that they're going to always use

498
00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:13.960
<v Speaker 2>against us, and that I mean, we didn't do it

499
00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:15.920
<v Speaker 2>as fans, but you know what I mean. So if

500
00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:21.559
<v Speaker 2>you're a Kentucky fan, you clearly like Pat Kelsey. Maybe

501
00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:24.559
<v Speaker 2>not everybody, but you just heard the caller there, Mike

502
00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:27.599
<v Speaker 2>mentioned that. And when you see the so Pat Kelsey

503
00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:29.640
<v Speaker 2>shared the video that I just talked about with Mark Pope,

504
00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:32.319
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I don't think I can't think exactly

505
00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:34.119
<v Speaker 2>what it was. He said, I'll read it for you directly,

506
00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:37.279
<v Speaker 2>because that like to me, I'd always heard from some

507
00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:39.319
<v Speaker 2>Kentucky fans that you know, they weren't going out of

508
00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:42.480
<v Speaker 2>their way, but they were dealing with it internally at

509
00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:46.839
<v Speaker 2>the time that they don't like that Pat Kelsey appears

510
00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:49.400
<v Speaker 2>to be as likable as he is, so you know,

511
00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:51.160
<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't go out of their way, but they deep

512
00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:53.759
<v Speaker 2>down kind of wanted the guy to be easier to dislike.

513
00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:57.079
<v Speaker 2>And then he shares the Pope video and says love

514
00:23:57.119 --> 00:24:00.519
<v Speaker 2>your neighbor. Great stuff, And like all the responses from

515
00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:03.640
<v Speaker 2>Kentucky fans are, I'll read you this one here it says,

516
00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:03.960
<v Speaker 2>stop it.

517
00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:05.839
<v Speaker 3>We want, we want, we want to hate you. Just

518
00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:06.400
<v Speaker 3>let us hate you.

519
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:08.240
<v Speaker 2>Stop making us like you. That is not how this

520
00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:11.519
<v Speaker 2>is supposed to work. Uh, this says, I'll echo what

521
00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:13.119
<v Speaker 2>other UK fans have said. Here, you seem like a

522
00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:15.839
<v Speaker 2>pretty good dude. We aren't supposed to be like we aren't.

523
00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:18.400
<v Speaker 2>We aren't supposed to like the Louisville coach. Here, you're

524
00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:20.559
<v Speaker 2>making it hard to hate U of l coach. You've

525
00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:23.680
<v Speaker 2>got the cards rolling again. So I think you'll always

526
00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:26.720
<v Speaker 2>find a level of satisfaction when your rival loses, but

527
00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:29.640
<v Speaker 2>for it to just be because of the rivalry specifically,

528
00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:31.920
<v Speaker 2>and not because you enjoy to see a coach lose

529
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:34.960
<v Speaker 2>or you enjoy to see a player lose like that. Like,

530
00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't even take as much satisfaction in Kentucky fans

531
00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:42.160
<v Speaker 2>being sad about basketball anymore because, deep down, because because

532
00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:43.960
<v Speaker 2>I've learned this over the years, when it comes to

533
00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:48.000
<v Speaker 2>postgame shows like if Louisville loses and Kentucky fans tune

534
00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:50.640
<v Speaker 2>in like that's normal. But they want tears, like they

535
00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:53.680
<v Speaker 2>want they want a level of like, oh man, they're

536
00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:54.319
<v Speaker 2>melting down.

537
00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:55.000
<v Speaker 3>This is great.

538
00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:56.759
<v Speaker 2>And I gave them a lot of not tears, but

539
00:24:56.839 --> 00:25:00.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, a lot of nonsense, a lot of things

540
00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:04.160
<v Speaker 2>they probably got. Kitty Payne destroying the program in two

541
00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:06.359
<v Speaker 2>years made me a mad man, and I think that

542
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:09.799
<v Speaker 2>provided some entertainment unattentionally to the rival, because I would

543
00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:13.400
<v Speaker 2>just scream and yell about it because I was hoping

544
00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:15.200
<v Speaker 2>that I would wake up from the nightmare by just

545
00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:16.799
<v Speaker 2>yelling that. That's kind of what it was for a

546
00:25:16.839 --> 00:25:17.920
<v Speaker 2>little while there, and it sucked.

547
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:20.640
<v Speaker 4>There were stages to that, if I remember, because I

548
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:23.160
<v Speaker 4>don't mean for this to sound bad, because I would

549
00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:25.759
<v Speaker 4>always listen to the podcast while I was kind of

550
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:28.640
<v Speaker 4>going to sleep and I would just wake up sometime.

551
00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:30.119
<v Speaker 3>Me yell and probably yelling at a caller.

552
00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:32.759
<v Speaker 4>No, it was actually soothing because at that point you

553
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:33.720
<v Speaker 4>were just defeated.

554
00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:36.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, we're just like yeah, so here we go.

555
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:37.039
<v Speaker 4>It's just another It was.

556
00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:39.920
<v Speaker 2>A eulogy, but it turned into I mean that's so

557
00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:42.680
<v Speaker 2>it was peaceful, so so I love to know that

558
00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:43.440
<v Speaker 2>I put you to sleep.

559
00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:45.759
<v Speaker 3>That's that's the goal of the show. Usually put people asleep.

560
00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:49.519
<v Speaker 3>So put us in your ears. We'll make you fall asleep.

561
00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:51.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm kidding. I know I know what you meant by that.

562
00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:54.720
<v Speaker 2>But what I'm getting at with with the UK stuff,

563
00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:58.400
<v Speaker 2>like I I would.

564
00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:00.359
<v Speaker 3>Which game was it?

565
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.559
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't the Ohio State game. Maybe no, it was.

566
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:06.079
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't the Clemson game. It was the Ohio State game.

567
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:07.680
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't I didn't even see much of the

568
00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:09.359
<v Speaker 2>Georgia game, and I certainly didn't listen to any of

569
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:11.440
<v Speaker 2>the post game stuff. So when they lost to Ohio State,

570
00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:14.400
<v Speaker 2>I tuned in because, you know, like I wanted to

571
00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:17.240
<v Speaker 2>hear them sad, because that's you know, that's maybe that's

572
00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:19.200
<v Speaker 2>the sick of fans, and I'm I guess I'm one

573
00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:21.359
<v Speaker 2>of them, and this is my space, this is my.

574
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:22.960
<v Speaker 3>World, because you know, it's kind of what we do.

575
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:26.480
<v Speaker 2>But I know that deep down, even if they're upset

576
00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:28.839
<v Speaker 2>and maybe not as confident in the team they have

577
00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:31.519
<v Speaker 2>this year, I know that they are confident in the

578
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:34.279
<v Speaker 2>guy that's coaching them, and I know that they are

579
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:36.400
<v Speaker 2>still going to be really good. And when you have

580
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:39.200
<v Speaker 2>like the end of cal where was falling apart for him.

581
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:40.480
<v Speaker 2>That was fun because.

582
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:42.839
<v Speaker 3>Like they were, they thought they were stuck. Like to

583
00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:43.359
<v Speaker 3>hear the I.

584
00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:45.119
<v Speaker 2>Mean, Louisville knew they were getting rid of their coach

585
00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:47.680
<v Speaker 2>and that and by the way, that is here. Here's

586
00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:52.039
<v Speaker 2>some examples as to like what you really hope to

587
00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:54.839
<v Speaker 2>get when you tune in to the rival postgame show

588
00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:57.920
<v Speaker 2>or just the rivals like a UK show or a

589
00:26:58.039 --> 00:26:59.799
<v Speaker 2>U of L show, whether it be a postgame show

590
00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:02.599
<v Speaker 2>or just to show that's daily whatever it may be, podcast,

591
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:06.480
<v Speaker 2>live show, whatever. I remember Kentucky fans that wanted to

592
00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:09.839
<v Speaker 2>take joy in Louisville losing, which they did, and I

593
00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:12.079
<v Speaker 2>get it. Some of them would call in and yell

594
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:14.400
<v Speaker 2>at me and tell me that Kenny's not getting fired

595
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:18.920
<v Speaker 2>and that I remember, he should stick around, and that

596
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:23.279
<v Speaker 2>it's not his fault, it's everybody else's fault. And there

597
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:25.319
<v Speaker 2>are a variety of reasons I guess why fans would

598
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:27.200
<v Speaker 2>do that, but I think deep down is that the

599
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:29.119
<v Speaker 2>best case scenario for them is that we were stuck

600
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:31.599
<v Speaker 2>with Kenny forever, because then we you know, then we

601
00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:34.960
<v Speaker 2>would just be sad all the time and there'd be

602
00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:36.880
<v Speaker 2>no there'd be no light at the end of the tunnel.

603
00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:39.480
<v Speaker 2>We would just be you know, miserable, which we were

604
00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:40.799
<v Speaker 2>for a couple of years. But like I knew that

605
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:44.640
<v Speaker 2>Louisville was never going to retain him for a thirty year.

606
00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:46.680
<v Speaker 2>That wasn't that wasn't happening. That was never gonna happen.

607
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:49.480
<v Speaker 2>So with Kentucky, like it was kind of nice to

608
00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:51.319
<v Speaker 2>know that they were stuck with Cal and then they weren't.

609
00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:54.400
<v Speaker 2>And then they you know, I thought when they hired

610
00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:56.079
<v Speaker 2>Pope and they lost their mind as a fan base,

611
00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:58.200
<v Speaker 2>that it was going to be like they were gonna

612
00:27:58.200 --> 00:27:59.799
<v Speaker 2>be so toxic and they were going to runhim out

613
00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:01.079
<v Speaker 2>of town before he coached a game, and like I

614
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:03.839
<v Speaker 2>would have been sitting with popcorn, watching and entertainment. But

615
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.079
<v Speaker 2>then Pope did what he does, you know, reminded them

616
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:09.599
<v Speaker 2>that he's a guy who has a national championship ring there,

617
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:11.920
<v Speaker 2>he was a captain, He cares about Kentucky. It means

618
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:13.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot to him. It's he knows it's bigger than him.

619
00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:17.400
<v Speaker 2>And that was such a refresher for them. I guess

620
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:19.920
<v Speaker 2>I should say that was so refreshing to them because

621
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:21.920
<v Speaker 2>it was such a different tone than what they had

622
00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:22.400
<v Speaker 2>with Cal.

623
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:25.319
<v Speaker 3>So you know, deep down.

624
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:27.640
<v Speaker 2>I think we we want our teams to be great

625
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:30.640
<v Speaker 2>and our rivals to be terrible, but for it to

626
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:34.960
<v Speaker 2>continue to kind of have, you know, the longevity. You

627
00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:37.359
<v Speaker 2>can't have one stay down so long. So I'm kind

628
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:39.920
<v Speaker 2>of the I'm kind of to the point now where

629
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:43.480
<v Speaker 2>and I don't I don't want to miss quote Mike

630
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:45.519
<v Speaker 2>who just called in, but I'm going to take a

631
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<v Speaker 2>guess at kind of what he mean or what he

632
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<v Speaker 2>meant by it's nice to have Louisville back, like in

633
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<v Speaker 2>real time, you want him to probably lose, because you know,

634
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<v Speaker 2>that's what you that's how rivalry works for most people.

635
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<v Speaker 2>But for Louisville to have some life again, that that

636
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<v Speaker 2>that you know, we can now talk about our team

637
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<v Speaker 2>and feel good about it and not be you know,

638
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<v Speaker 2>doing it just based solely off of like when we

639
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<v Speaker 2>were lifeless and we couldn't pick our faceook off the

640
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<v Speaker 2>mat before we played you guys in basketball for what

641
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<v Speaker 2>three straight games. Look, Louisville clearly has come out on

642
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<v Speaker 2>the losing end a lot more than the winning end

643
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<v Speaker 2>in this rivalry for really.

644
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<v Speaker 3>The history of my life.

645
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<v Speaker 2>But you know, the last few years were a lot

646
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<v Speaker 2>different than really any other time to where it was

647
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<v Speaker 2>just I mean, it couldn't have been fun for you guys, right,

648
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<v Speaker 2>It's always going to be, I guess good to beat

649
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<v Speaker 2>your rival, and you know what the feeling is when

650
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<v Speaker 2>you don't. But if Kentucky, like if Mark Pope's got

651
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<v Speaker 2>it rolling in Louisville, beats him, that'll be more enjoyable

652
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:44.079
<v Speaker 2>than if they stunk. And I'm sure Kentucky always likes

653
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<v Speaker 2>beating Louisville, but whenever you were beating Kenny Payne, that

654
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<v Speaker 2>could mean I mean again, like was that fun? I mean,

655
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<v Speaker 2>I don't even remember like the last two years, three

656
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<v Speaker 2>years I guess roughly of this rivalry matchup, and I

657
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:57.400
<v Speaker 2>guess they didn't play three years ago because of the

658
00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:01.880
<v Speaker 2>COVID situation. But I mean, that's the dark days of

659
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<v Speaker 2>the rivalry in my opinion, not because just because Louisville

660
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:09.160
<v Speaker 2>wasn't good, but because like you couldn't even like you

661
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:12.039
<v Speaker 2>should always be able to psych yourself up for that game,

662
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<v Speaker 2>even if you're having a down year. Your down year

663
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.359
<v Speaker 2>should never be terrible like they were the last couple

664
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<v Speaker 2>of years, and you should feel like Okay, here we go, like,

665
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<v Speaker 2>let's do this. And I'm sure a lot of you

666
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<v Speaker 2>guys are aware of this by now as adults and

667
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:26.200
<v Speaker 2>fans of sports, like we don't have no impact in

668
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<v Speaker 2>the game, but you know, it's nice to kind of

669
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<v Speaker 2>feel like you do, like, let let it's game day,

670
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<v Speaker 2>let's go, let's get this done. And we couldn't even

671
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:34.000
<v Speaker 2>do that for a while because of how bad things were.

672
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:36.440
<v Speaker 2>And now I don't know when Pat Kelsey's gonna beat

673
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<v Speaker 2>Mark Pope. I'm sure it'll happen. I hope it happens

674
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<v Speaker 2>a lot. Maybe it happens next year, maybe it happens

675
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<v Speaker 2>in the tournament.

676
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

677
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<v Speaker 2>But there's going to be clearly some life from Louisville

678
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:49.000
<v Speaker 2>side of it now, and that makes it better. And

679
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:53.160
<v Speaker 2>I think Kentucky fans are are comfortable, at least at

680
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<v Speaker 2>least some of them in saying that, yeah, yeah, Louis's

681
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:58.480
<v Speaker 2>pretty good this year, Like Kentucky beat a good Louisville team.

682
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's not looking like a huge resume win

683
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<v Speaker 2>for him by any means, but I mean, the better

684
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Louisville does actually is going to be better for them.

685
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<v Speaker 2>I know that's not how you typically view it, as

686
00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:08.759
<v Speaker 2>you know when it comes to the rivalry for obvious reasons.

687
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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's it's been kind of a weird year

688
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:13.839
<v Speaker 2>Louisville basketball. I don't mean just this season, but just

689
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:17.079
<v Speaker 2>both coaches went both programs went through a coaching change.

690
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<v Speaker 2>Both programs hired coaches that the vast majority of the

691
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<v Speaker 2>fan base would not have expected to be hired. And

692
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<v Speaker 2>I think the vast majority wasn't initially thrilled, but it

693
00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:31.799
<v Speaker 2>didn't take long for both sides to really buy in

694
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<v Speaker 2>and embrace the new guys leading their programs. And both

695
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:38.720
<v Speaker 2>guys have gotten off to really good starts. And I

696
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<v Speaker 2>can't help but really like the guy leading Kentucky. And

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<v Speaker 2>I know Kentucky fans at least some of them feel

698
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<v Speaker 2>the same way about Pat Kelcey. And this is, if anything,

699
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<v Speaker 2>it's just an unusual time here for this rivalry. But

700
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<v Speaker 2>it's fun it is. Let's take a quick break. We'll

701
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<v Speaker 2>go back on the other side, talk a little football

702
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<v Speaker 2>or wrap some things up. Thanks for hanging out with

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<v Speaker 2>us right here on Sports Talk seven ninety.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to coffee and company, fueled by Orrantines on

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<v Speaker 2>So Pierce Clarkson is one of the handful of players

707
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<v Speaker 2>that left Louisville via the transfer portal. I think everybody

708
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<v Speaker 2>listening is well aware of his resume, which you know,

709
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<v Speaker 2>as a college quarterback, there's nothing on his resume.

710
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<v Speaker 3>But that's not his fault.

711
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:21.599
<v Speaker 2>It's just he is one of many freshmen that timing

712
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:23.920
<v Speaker 2>is not on his side as far as his college career,

713
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:26.119
<v Speaker 2>because well not freshman. He's one of the he's one

714
00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:29.759
<v Speaker 2>of many quarterbacks who can make the claim that they

715
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:33.359
<v Speaker 2>fell into bad timing as far as when they entered

716
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:35.359
<v Speaker 2>the college game because it was at a time where

717
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:40.599
<v Speaker 2>you can no longer have to rely on an unexperienced quarterback,

718
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:43.680
<v Speaker 2>and coaches at high level programs that want to win

719
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:46.720
<v Speaker 2>and keep their job, they're gonna trust a guy that's

720
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:49.319
<v Speaker 2>played a lot of snaps before they trust somebody that's

721
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:52.519
<v Speaker 2>never done it before. And Pierce Clarkson, again, he may

722
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<v Speaker 2>be really good, but it's just rare for a guy

723
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<v Speaker 2>to show how good he is as a first time

724
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<v Speaker 2>starter at a high level program in the Power four leagues.

725
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<v Speaker 2>So Jeff Brom and look, maybe Jeff Brom just knew

726
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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't going to be a good fit. Maybe he

727
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<v Speaker 2>doesn't think that Pierce is good enough to succeed in

728
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<v Speaker 2>his program. I have no clue, but Piers transferring doesn't

729
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<v Speaker 2>surprise me in any way, And I don't really think

730
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<v Speaker 2>there's anybody to blame for it. I think that's just

731
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<v Speaker 2>you chalk it up as what we're currently like where

732
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<v Speaker 2>college football currently is. So him deciding to commit today

733
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<v Speaker 2>to ole Miss I thought was interesting.

734
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<v Speaker 3>One. Good for him. That's a good program.

735
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<v Speaker 2>Lane Kiffin is clearly he's got some momentum at Old Miss.

736
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<v Speaker 2>And if you're a quarterback, you think you'd want to

737
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<v Speaker 2>play for a high powered offense that lane Kiffin usually

738
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<v Speaker 2>puts on the field.

739
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<v Speaker 3>So congrats to Pierce.

740
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe he goes there and he's super successful, or maybe

741
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:46.039
<v Speaker 2>he goes there and he's a backup again, or maybe

742
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<v Speaker 2>he goes there and you know, he starts and he's

743
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:49.960
<v Speaker 2>not good. Maybe he plays a different position. I have

744
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<v Speaker 2>no intel at all, but I think some fans seeing

745
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:56.240
<v Speaker 2>him going to Old Miss, it got him thinking once again, Man,

746
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:59.440
<v Speaker 2>if he's going to go play for lane Kiffin at

747
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:02.079
<v Speaker 2>ole Miss, wouldn't you think he could play here? Like?

748
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<v Speaker 3>Did Jeff do the right thing?

749
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:05.240
<v Speaker 2>And going and getting a Miller Moss and not just

750
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<v Speaker 2>handing the reins over to Pierce Clarkson. And I mean,

751
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:13.599
<v Speaker 2>only time will tell. But I mean, even if even

752
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:16.719
<v Speaker 2>if Pierce was great at ole Miss and he's there

753
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:19.199
<v Speaker 2>because he's never played full season before, like he's gonna be,

754
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:20.920
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna have a lot of eligibility left.

755
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:21.880
<v Speaker 3>So let's say he becomes.

756
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Their quarterback of the future and he's there for three

757
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:25.679
<v Speaker 2>years and Ole Miss was the school that was willing

758
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:27.239
<v Speaker 2>to give him the chance and let him be a

759
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:30.440
<v Speaker 2>first time starter leading them in the SEC. That would

760
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 2>be a good return on that risk, if you know

761
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:35.639
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. And I guess in the eyes of

762
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:39.639
<v Speaker 2>some Louisville would look bad. But I just I think

763
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<v Speaker 2>deciding not to hit the portal and just giving it

764
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:46.880
<v Speaker 2>to a guy that has never played before, that would

765
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<v Speaker 2>be a risk that I don't think Jeff would be

766
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<v Speaker 2>willing to take. And if Pierce wanted to hang out

767
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.039
<v Speaker 2>and stick around and compete, and maybe he went out

768
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:55.360
<v Speaker 2>there and got better and won the job, then you know,

769
00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:58.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure Jeff would be cool with that. But it's

770
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<v Speaker 2>just different anymore for quarterbacks. I give you an example.

771
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:03.119
<v Speaker 2>We got to run in just a moment. But when

772
00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Rick Patino was here, he recruited a guy named Shaquan

773
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Airon who was a.

774
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:09.480
<v Speaker 3>Five star recruit. I remember him.

775
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Borderline McDonald's All American and was one of the highest

776
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.800
<v Speaker 2>rated recruits for Rick Patino at Louisville at the time.

777
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:19.360
<v Speaker 2>He also brought in in that same class Quentin Snyder. Well, Quenton,

778
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:21.280
<v Speaker 2>of course, was a really highly regarded recruit, had a

779
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:25.000
<v Speaker 2>phenomenal career here at Louisville, and his teammate Killen Martin

780
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:27.480
<v Speaker 2>was not the level of Q as far as like

781
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:29.519
<v Speaker 2>where he ranked. I think he was a three star,

782
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:31.880
<v Speaker 2>but he had some legitimate offers and he ended up

783
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:35.039
<v Speaker 2>going to Butler and he was right in Louisville's backyard

784
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:38.599
<v Speaker 2>playing alongside Q and Keelan went on to have a

785
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:40.199
<v Speaker 2>great career. Butler played in the NBA for a little

786
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:43.960
<v Speaker 2>while and Rick didn't recruit him. So when Rick, or

787
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:47.159
<v Speaker 2>when Kaitlyn was playing really well at Butler, I remember

788
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:49.320
<v Speaker 2>people saying like, Wow, how did Rick let this guy

789
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:51.159
<v Speaker 2>get out of his backyard. Well, Rick at the time

790
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:54.639
<v Speaker 2>took another player at the same position that was, you know,

791
00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:57.519
<v Speaker 2>a top twenty five player overall, was a five star

792
00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:00.360
<v Speaker 2>in one of the services. So had he not taken

793
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:02.960
<v Speaker 2>that commitment and he took the kid from Ballard, people

794
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:06.400
<v Speaker 2>would have crushed him, you know. So you gotta you

795
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:09.480
<v Speaker 2>gotta know, and I'm sure coaches, in fact, the successful

796
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:12.519
<v Speaker 2>ones can't make any big decision worried about. I wonder

797
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:14.519
<v Speaker 2>what the fans are gonna think about this, because they

798
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:16.599
<v Speaker 2>gotta they gotta trust their gut. It's their job, they know.

799
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:19.880
<v Speaker 2>But if Pierce goes and has a great career at

800
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Ole Miss, yeah, it might be like a damn what

801
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.360
<v Speaker 2>could have been? But also I think if you're if

802
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:28.199
<v Speaker 2>you're fair, it would just I mean, there was really

803
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:30.440
<v Speaker 2>no way to predict that. And that's that's you know.

804
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:32.920
<v Speaker 2>You gotta you gotta you gotta make decisions, and sometimes

805
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:35.519
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna work out well, sometimes are not. All Right,

806
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<v Speaker 2>we're out of town, you guys, enjoy your night, Enjoy

807
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<v Speaker 2>the playoff game.

808
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<v Speaker 3>Go uh go Vikings