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Speaker 1: Hello ladies, Welcome back to another episode of geek Verse podcast.

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I am the bar mirrored Taylor Field that I am

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joined by.

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Speaker 2: I have the tears, I cry with a love in

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there in the midst of some reason.

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Speaker 3: That's the third time this week I will say we

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say if we are monetized on the you use it

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on Joker, and you used it on Agatha No strike

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by YouTube so short. So there you go.

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Speaker 4: I am mister mouse still less.

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Speaker 3: I'm the clown Prince of Deceiving dress Nel.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we are here for episode seven, as Travis would say,

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the penultimate episode of Rings of Power season two. We're

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gonna be getting into the non spoilers first, then jump

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into spoilers after that, but before where we get into

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all of that wonderful stuff.

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Speaker 5: A couple of plugs.

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Speaker 1: You can find us with your interconnection in the search bar.

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Geek fors cis our home based key first cast, our Twitter,

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else here a personal favorite, go check out our Patreon

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There lots of retros and other things just popping off.

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It's a great place to go and explore. But what's

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even more great is the legendary Patreon producers. Thank you,

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Aaron Braden, April of Darkness, Jack Grant, Mud Sam, Super Bad,

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Speaker 3: Right Soon is gonna be on there too, my man.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sure he's popped in the search query.

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Speaker 4: He told me he was just waiting for the this

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week's check to come through, and then he's gonna check.

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Speaker 3: Is never late precisely what I mean?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: So what have we got popping off? Your Joker Felia?

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Next week we did a Joker retrospective. We've got Agatha

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that's popping off. We've got Penguin episode two that's gonna

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be popping off on the So there's lots and lots

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of content.

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Speaker 5: Side Quest still on what's going on there?

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Speaker 4: M side quest. We had a nice discussion this week,

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Me and Kirkland talked about Plucky Squire, UFO fifty, a

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bunch of other games, and next week, Taylor we got

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some juicy news.

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Speaker 3: I may have excited to hear Taylor's thoughts on yeah,

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some stuff, and.

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Speaker 4: I might have impulse bought the news.

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Speaker 5: Elda.

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Speaker 4: So we'll also be talking about that, so it's gonna

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be episode as well, So good time to check that out.

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Impulse Impulsive, Impulse was slightly impulse. I had I had

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a voucher on my on my switch. I was like,

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I paid for this month ago. This is a free game.

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I might as well pick it up.

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Speaker 5: Oh, there we go. Vouchers are good stuff. I think

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that's pretty much everything.

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Speaker 1: I got plugs wise, unless I'm missing something. I mean,

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we got extra Live Charity that's sneaking around in this November.

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Speaker 3: But I just started promoting that. Let me get that

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date out there. Because we do twenty four hours. We

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haven't announced too much stuff. We're still talking because we've

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all been very busy this year. So this year it's

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gonna be a very uh bag them and tag them

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sort of event. But it's gonna be November second, twenty

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round Beggins and Daggons, it's gonna be November second. All

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we know is we know the trivia will be back.

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We know that Dylan Kirk when are playing chess. We

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know that we're gonna do an X men well just

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a Marvel arcade level. It's our arcade hour because just

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one of them. Yeah, yeah it. No one of us

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is gonna buy the Marvel Arcade game, but yeah we're

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gonna play that. So you got three inches general gaming.

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Of course, guests are coming around, but yeah, I mad.

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I don't even know what our goal will be. I

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think usually we just said twenty five hundred probably be

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around there. So yeah, everything you donate goes to the

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children and is tax deductible, So yeah, do that. We will.

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I'll actually probably make that my goals long weekend so

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I will have more information for everyone. So thank you

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tar for reminding me about twenty four hours November second.

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Speaker 5: Be there for the kids, be there for the kids.

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Speaker 1: Well you know what we're also going to be there for.

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We're gonna be there for the citizens of Middle Earth.

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Because let's get into who wants to take away the

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non spoilers thoughts right now?

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Speaker 5: Episode seven.

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Speaker 4: I will take that torch.

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Speaker 2: And I will hold it. Take it.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I don't have much to say on

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this episode. I mean it is. It is a very

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simple episode when you look at it in terms of

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the show usually has a million storylines. This one was

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fairly focused. Now, a lot did happen in there, but

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I thought this episode was okay. I think that there

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was some good fun like battle sequences and some interesting things,

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but then I think just the classics of a some

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subbar acting at moments or some weird writing. There's a

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couple of moments in general I was like, whoa where

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did that come from? I didn't feel like that was

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set up very well, and that happened on a couple occasions.

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So yeah, I don't know. I'm excited to talk to

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you guys about this. Definitely have some questions. Definitely a

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lot that goes on. And man, one moment that just

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had me laughing maniacally on my sofa watching this. It

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was fucking hilarious. So I can't wait to talk of

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that moment too. So it was a fun episode. I

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just don't think it was an all time great Lord

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of the Rings hour, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: I'll take the sword for next because I'm the exact opposite.

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I think this is my third episode of the entire series.

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I love this episode. I don't think Dylan's wrong that

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there are some questionable things in this episode, but I

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thought the pacing was really good. Loved everything we'll get into,

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but I loved everything with anatarsaar On, Calibri and Boord

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like ap to Me finally paid off in a way

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that I was hoping for. It was a bumpy road, nonetheless,

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but I'm liking where we're landing. I thought, for the

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most part, the battle stuff was really good. Particularly there's

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a part of the third act that's really good. What

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else was there that I really enjoyed? I'm liking. That's

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probably too much of a spot say, so I'll hold that,

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But no, I really enjoyed this episode. Like I said,

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there are some questionable things. I don't think I've ever

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gone to Rings of Power episode that's like a ten

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out of ten, like by itself, so that's what I

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had curated as. But no, I absolutely loved this episode

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for the most part. That they delivered on the big

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battle more so than last season. I think they gave

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some big moments and I'm very excited to see where

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we go next week. And as far as the bad Calm,

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it also rivals Act Like for having the worst credit

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song of the year, so I will give it.

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Speaker 5: To third.

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Speaker 3: It's it's just a song. It ends and it's full

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on scream. Oh heavy man, I'm like, this is I

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hate to be that guy, not Laura the Rings, not

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my Lord of the Rings. I get it. Star Wars

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did the same thing, Dylan, you were around. They did

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a pop song in the act like credits for one

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the episodes is a full on original pop song and

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same things like nope, that's that's not Star Wars and

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that for me is not lower Ring. So for someone

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that was loving the episode, like oh when end like

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should have. It should have especially where they end, those

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tears should have cried, but no, we got the tears

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will cry. So yes, But overall I had a good time.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, I I really did enjoy this episode

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for the vast majority of it. I think there is

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one unspeakable horror that happens in this episode, and man,

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because I, like, I actually burst out laughing. I was

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so shocked when it happened, and I don't yeah, I man,

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I laughed so hard, like especially with how fast it happened.

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skit with with just how quickly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to rewind because Emma's watching me. I

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couldn't believe what happened, Like, yeah, and then I'll talk

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about spoilers because I thought something else that happened at first.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna beat around the bush here. I I heard

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like like a somewhat rumor of like a theory of

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someone had on what this individual was, and I like it.

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and then I felt like in that moment it was

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like Okay, nice, then we're not going there. So but yeah,

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that was that was hilarious. But for the most part, like, yeah,

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I think this is a really really good episode. I

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anatar stuff, Like I thought that was just so fantastic.

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Kelbrin Boor I think since his inclusion, and this episode

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part of. So yeah, for the most part, I think

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this was fantastic. I just visually beautiful, definitely, Yeah, definitely

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was good eye candy to watch this week and yeah,

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it's gonna be an interesting finale. Yeah, I think that's

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all I'm gonna say right now. I'll save it for

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the spoilers.

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Speaker 1: I love this episode, my goodness, and I was. I

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feel like the past few episodes have really just been

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sealing a deal for me, and this one just man,

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it was just lock Stock and Barrel.

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Speaker 5: I loved it, and so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just the show is starting to really really feel

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like Lord of the Rings to me now, and I'm

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really happy about that. And of course, like the first

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season that was just new stories and whatnot, but at

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the start of this season was again continuing those stories

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and lots of different trajectories and some stuff that I

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don't really care about at this point, but getting to

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really be in this focused narrative now with some stories

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kind of converging and we're much further ahead and development

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with our characters.

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Speaker 2: I really like that.

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Speaker 1: And with how concentrated on the narrative this episode was,

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it didn't feel like we were tackling a bunch of

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different things. It was just precise to the point and

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just this is what we're dealing with. And I really

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really liked that. It was great and it just felt

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like Middle Earth. There's a few things that I will

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bring up in spoilers that just kind of pulled me

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out of it, just the way certain elves were. And

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maybe I only say that just because of comparison to

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the actual Lord of the Rings movies, where those elves

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Different I know, different universe, totally different universe, but I

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just those elves and Lord of the Rings just set

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the bar so high and just our manner is the

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way their actions are, and just seeing certain elves here,

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they're just uh, yeah, it's just different.

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Speaker 5: But that's okay.

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Speaker 1: It's a different interpretation, and I understand that different universes,

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you say, Travis, So there's that. But all in all,

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I think that the stuff with Keller Brimboor and more

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kind of stuff coming out of just soun as a

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character at Aatar really really awesome.

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Speaker 5: I really really liking it.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm just I too laughed at a few

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different things, mostly just the Kelli Brimboor stuff. He just

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I feel like I should pity him, but I just

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he just cracks me up because there's just shit going

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on with him and fucking laugh about it.

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Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, there's there's.

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Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure I know what you guys are alluding to.

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Speaker 1: But there's another scene that just fucking cracks me up

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because it happened twice and it just thought, Man, this

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we get to it. Yeah, I made I made a

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Speaker 3: So this is just that I was back.

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Speaker 5: He's back, He's always back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I'll leave it at that, and we'll get

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into some spoilers after this quick ad break.

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Speaker 5: And we are back.

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Speaker 1: So who wants to steer us down the spoiler narrative here?

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What do you what do you want to start with?

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Speaker 3: Lots of avenues, lots of roads to take lots of

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I'll start us off. Do we think Ronde is for

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sure dead?

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Speaker 2: Aronde Rendez whatever, his name is.

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Speaker 3: Little Woodland, that's his brother.

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Speaker 4: H Yeah, if you took Ariana Grande's name and just

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pushed it to there.

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Speaker 3: Related.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say, yeah, he's definitely not dead. It's just

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a little too easy, little little too quick of.

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Speaker 4: Us ending off stabbed like twice body, right that you

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stabbed as well, Arrow, Yeah, but I think Atar got

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him with like a couple of blades.

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Speaker 3: Right. So here's the thing. I know. Last week Taylor asked, like, okay,

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if I because I said, kill some characters, and he said,

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who would you kill off? And I listed him as

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one of the ones that should go right now. I

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was completely fine if it was. If he's dead, I

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think it's really lame. I would have been fine if

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he like took out at our with him, because it's like, okay,

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that's kind of a story, right, he has to love

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his life. She dies, he does die as well, but

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he kills him, that's fine. If aar just kills him,

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leaves him lane in the millfield, what a bitch character overall, Like,

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if this is the end of that character, I feel

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like kind of a waste. I feel like we did

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nothing with him, some kind of for some reason hoping

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he's alive, because I got like a little excited by

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the war's happening, and you see him perched up and

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he's looking and he's with Glad real it's like, well, we

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talked about, like, oh, start putting some of these storylines together,

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so it's like, Okay, maybe I'll like him with the crew.

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And then it's like, oh, they killed him. I don't

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think he's dead because he still is trying to reach

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for at Oar at the end, I think you would

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have a bigger sea. But that's what I'll say. If

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he is dead, what a just a bitch character in

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Rings the Power and man, what a waste of time.

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So we'll see. But I think next week they'll find

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him in the rubble and he'll oh, oh is that

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are you know?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he'll definitely be surviving through this. And

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I thought that moment would have really worked, and it

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seems like they wanted to save some of that for

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the finale, but like, man, we have potentially so too much.

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I will say, yeah to cover in the finale here,

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but I have that moment of them killing each other

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could have been a pretty fitting end to both of

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their stories.

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Speaker 2: But it is.

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Speaker 4: It is a bit weird. Like I guess at our

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he is the leader, he should be badass, but we

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don't really see him doing a lot of physically badass things.

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It's more he's the leader, and I guess he killed

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t saar On once or like, yeah, Pseudo killed him

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with the crown, so that was kind of badass. But

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for the most part, we like Arandier. Everything he does.

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This guy is like max level. He's got the best gear,

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He's like, he's the legal list. Yeah, he is insane,

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acrobatics is maxed out marksman, all this stuff, and so

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it does feel like, okay, that like maybe we could

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see it, just like, okay, his rage blinded him from

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like fighting at his best ability. But it seemed like

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I almost had a Roundier. It seemed like at our

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almost took out a Rondeer in like a bit too

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easy of a way. And it's funny the moment earlier

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when he saves or helps save Gladio from the camp

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because she, you know, picks the lock and all that.

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But then he snipes some orcs. It was like such

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a movie thing where I was like, oh, you have

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the perfect shot the guy you want to kill, and

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like classic movie, you're never gonna do it, and and

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then he was like he took the bow out, he

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was about to snipe him, Like damn, He's actually gonna

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do it. That's so cool. I feel like that's very

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against how these things normally go. The trope and then

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she convinces him not to do it. This is not

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at Our's day to die whatever she says there, But

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he should have done it because look at this when

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he gets towed to toe of him, he fucked up.

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He had the clearest headshot, Like, if I'm playing sniper lead,

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that is the easiest kill ever. And he just totally

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dropped the ball for not much of a reason in

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my opinion.

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Speaker 3: Because it didn't glad her just say like a lot

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of good like again if he does, and she's like

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all the good l's have died today, it's like he

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still went to die, you know. It's just that's like

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he can't be of dead. There's no way he's dead.

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He has to be kicking. And I kind of hope

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he is the one to kill ad Our because I

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just don't know what else I wanted to do. Glad Real,

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I feel like she can't kill Sarn unfortunately, but I

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feel like she has to like maybe defeat him in

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a battle when the show ends or something. I don't know,

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she's still trying to avenge your brother's death, remember, so.

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Speaker 4: It feels like she's too good to kill ad Ar,

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like with her weird moral standings. But I feel like

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you're on dear. He would he's lost too many people

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to him specifically that he would do it.

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Speaker 3: And I think with the keep doing this, I think

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with Gladyl and ad Our, like she sees some of

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herself in him for some reason of like kind of

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cast out by his own people, and he was in

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elf right, Like there's just moments when he was talking

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to hisself, she was watching him like not respectfully, but

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just kind of understanding, not like, oh, disgusting person. Even

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though at Ur in this episode was becoming much more

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like the Sar on Everyone Hate because like Taylor looted

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that ork was back and he because the troll came

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in and he's like, oh, he's gonna kill some of

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our Orcs, and Adar just just send him anyways. And

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then later on skip ten minutes when he sent himself

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and all the orcs that one work like slink back

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and he's like, I'm not gonna do it. So there

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they're still giving this orc screen time. I hope next

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year that doesn't happen. But uh uh yeah, at Our

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slowly becoming with Tsarna, So I wonder if that's gonna

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be how Sarn gets all his orcs back. Is they

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start to think like, oh, ad Our was better, but

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he actually isn't. He's just kind of the same, you know.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I was. I don't know, I was

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never the biggest fan of Adar. I feel like maybe

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my interest in him peaked like in his first inception

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into the show overall, just because it's a very different

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type of character than I've witnessed before in the Lord

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of the Rings mythos. But just watching this episode and

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thinking about like the previous ones, I'm just like, this

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guy's such a fucking idiot man, like like really like

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he like his plan is to just burn down a

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reg Yon because he's like, Soaron's in there. Saron's in there,

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even though it's like I don't know from Gladiel's perspective,

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it's just like so obvious that like once Saron doesn't

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even have an army, So if at Our just doesn't

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go there, like they can actually like figure out the

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Souron threat, like the Elves like why they my gosh,

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weird ways say that the Elves can just handle like

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the Souron threat, give them more time to actually just

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get there, and because like if you take out at

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ours folk, I'll just call them now the invasion that

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they're doing, like Gladil and like Elron, like they would

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have eventually got there and the city would not have

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been burnt like it. I don't know, it's just he's

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so set on like, yeah, like my main.

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Speaker 7: Threat isn't isn't the Elves, It's sourn And like, I

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don't know, just this whole invasion plan to me is

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just so weak of like a motivation for it, and

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to me, it's just hard to kind of buy it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, like especially his whole, his whole like

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just mantra around. It is like he just wants peace

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for his skin and to get that, they have to

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get rid of Souron. And now he's just like throwing

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his his like children, you know, under the boot of

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his troll that he's bringing here. And it's just like

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this episode was really emphasized of like the Orcs are

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starting to see kind of at our just really disregard

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kind of what his overall just Mantra was of like

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I'm like, I'm my main goal is to keep my

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children safe. And then this one the orc is like,

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you can't bring the troll in. He's gonna kill our own.

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It's like send the men to die like like but

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it's like just weird.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like that's where it's like for me. My issues

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with the show was at Our and the other orcs.

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They said like, oh, I don't really enjoy these characters

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having like the the third dimension right of oh there,

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they might have some other motivations, but that it's like

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that's what they've set at Her to be. But I

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felt like he in this episode, fuck that, Like they

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just threw out all the character motivation of this character,

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and I was very surprised. I was like, okay, and

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that's why I's gonna if he would have died. Maybe

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he dies next week. Then I guess I kind of

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get it because they might play it as a tale

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of Okay, he him not respecting his people, cast him

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his death. But I still don't think he's gonna die

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next week. I actually don't think so. I still think

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he's gonna carry on in the next year, so I

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or next season so but Yeah, it feels very sudden.

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We're just an episode two or go very for the

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people for his Orcs. But now he's just like, oh,

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sending the pawns or whatever. It's like, oh, okay, so

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he's just he's just sar On but lame, you know,

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so cool.

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Speaker 2: He's got a cool sword though, Yeah, like his sword.

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Speaker 3: And like he caught the arrow orund your Shawnee caught it.

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That was cool.

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Speaker 4: So I'm still adjusting to some of the just changes

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to the Orcs here, like when Elron when the whole

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sequence comes out, where Elron and in his squad from

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Linden are showing up and Adur is there with glad

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Drill and they're like, okay, we'll break from this. We'll

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meet in my camp. We'll have a conversation. Did the

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whole sequence When Elron is leaving and he goes, he

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gets settled up on his horse and all the works

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are just I kind of standing there. I'm like man

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in the Lord of Rings. I'm used to like these Orcs.

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They would not give a shit. They would just rip

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the guy to shred. So it's interesting to see them

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with like I guess they've like devolved over the years

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they're transformed. I'm curious to see how that evolves, just

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even in this in this television show, like over the

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course of these next seasons, if they change more of that,

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or if they're just really gonna stick to it, because

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I know, obviously there's like thousands of years that passed

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between presumably where this show's gonna end and then Lord

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of the Rings picks up, so that's time for them

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to evolve or change or be from a different source

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and all that. But yeah, that that seemed really stood

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out to me, just how how chill that was and

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how much Adder follows, like you know, the Geneva Convention

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pretty much of like the Middle Earthian world.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting. Parlay, Yeah, Parlay.

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Speaker 3: That's the coolest shot though, when they're in the middle

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and like on the left side it's all the l

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around the elves, it's very lit and bright, and then

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on the right it's like shadowed and dark and it's

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like kind of decrepit. I was like, okay, I like

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the I.

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Speaker 4: Thought the Linden's like it was like almost oversaturated at

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little Goofy to me, honestly, that the color grading was

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a bit much. But I did like the the yeah comparison,

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Speaker 1: One of the things here you're talking about the Orcs

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that kind of threw me off was, of course we

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had them introduce the concept of family orcs, children and

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all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 5: The Orcs didn't want to go.

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Speaker 1: Fighting, right And then in this episode, in this episode

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you have al Ron's horse gets slain and he just

474
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,720
pans up and you see this orcs slit its throat

475
00:21:28,759 --> 00:21:31,440
and licking his knife. Now I'm thinking, okay, not not

476
00:21:31,519 --> 00:21:33,759
all these orcs are in the same you know, kind

477
00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:40,119
of pedestal here. But I've been so far led to

478
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,599
believe that these orcs are fighting reluctantly. A lot of

479
00:21:43,599 --> 00:21:45,680
them are fleeing because they don't want to fight, and

480
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,839
the ones that are fighting are because they care about

481
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their way of life and care about their families and

482
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their babies and whatnot. And now here you have an

483
00:21:53,599 --> 00:21:57,160
orc who's just, for whatever the fucking reason, is just

484
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,880
licking horse blood off of his knife, what for his kid?

485
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Speaker 3: Like, he's not a family orc, tailor, he's apparently not

486
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:04,480
a family orc.

487
00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 4: I just I wasn't drying it.

488
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Speaker 1: If I'm just hypothetically, if I'm going if I'm going

489
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to war. Here, I'm fighting. I'm not gonna be like

490
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,279
slaying the enemy's fucking horse and the like in the

491
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blood like ah, like laughing.

492
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Speaker 3: At the same time, there are like even real life, right,

493
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,920
there's soldiers that go to war to fight for their country,

494
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,319
and then their soldiers go to war because they just

495
00:22:24,319 --> 00:22:26,079
want to shoot a fucking gun at people. Right. So

496
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I don't have really an issue with that, because there's

497
00:22:28,759 --> 00:22:30,920
people human races like that that just want to they

498
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,279
just want to be bullies or power dynamics right and

499
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gun toe.

500
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Speaker 1: But then that's where I think they should do a

501
00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:38,640
better job at telling the story.

502
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:39,079
Speaker 5: I guess.

503
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Speaker 1: I mean that being said, they shouldn't even have the

504
00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:43,319
orcs like that period. I don't like and that just

505
00:22:43,319 --> 00:22:45,839
goes to reaffirm like, yeah, the orcs don't need to

506
00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:47,839
have like the children and the families and all that

507
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,119
kind of stuff, like just keep the orcs as this

508
00:22:50,599 --> 00:22:54,240
as you said, dolln this de evolved kind of race

509
00:22:54,279 --> 00:22:58,119
that's just fucking angry and like jumping around climbing trees

510
00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,640
and shit, so on.

511
00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 4: The tree like monkeys.

512
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:04,279
Speaker 3: The monkey orcs.

513
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Neander or Neander or there you go, or

514
00:23:10,279 --> 00:23:10,960
that's a mouthful.

515
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Speaker 3: Let's not say that ever again. I want to talk.

516
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,880
Let's talk about the big moment. I think this is

517
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,319
the big moment, right, because we Dylan was talking about

518
00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:24,160
you know, Aron went to the camp and they did parlay.

519
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,240
So we're in this moment already, right, So we get

520
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,759
to this moment where glad youal, she has a knife

521
00:23:28,839 --> 00:23:30,680
up to her throat, starts to bleed, so they got

522
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,960
a press guns a hard threaten her life. And then

523
00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:37,200
they start talking. And because me and Tarr had talked

524
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,279
about this, because he messaged me, right, what happened because

525
00:23:39,279 --> 00:23:41,839
then our discord of just our GV quads here, I said,

526
00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:46,359
oh this, Kirklea's not gonna like this. So as I'm saying,

527
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:47,640
Goode was wrong too.

528
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 4: I thought it was gonna be a bombadill related thing.

529
00:23:49,759 --> 00:23:51,599
But bomb is nowhere to be found.

530
00:23:51,799 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 3: Kirklea took a whole bomb dep so instead of this, so, uh,

531
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,319
glad Rond doesn't take at ours you know proposal, gonna

532
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,880
leave where he leaves. He gives a big passionate kiss

533
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,000
to glad Reel. Now Taylor's right that of course he

534
00:24:06,079 --> 00:24:09,440
does give her something to get out of lock whatever.

535
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,440
But for me, I one think you could just kiss

536
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,119
her on the forehead and do the same thing. But

537
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,279
then two, I just think it's the way that it's framed.

538
00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:19,240
It's the same way as I can Rise of Skywalker

539
00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:22,240
when the Railow kiss happened. And then jaj Abrams said, oh,

540
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,440
so it's a kiss of just a kiss of gratitude,

541
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,319
and it's like, well, no, they're using tongue over here

542
00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:28,559
and the same thing here where It's like I didn't

543
00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:30,880
see no tongue, but they shot it in a very

544
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,519
romantic way, and I if that's a route they go,

545
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,920
because I'm not even a what's the guy, Where's what's

546
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,880
who's your boy? Kirk Caliburn. Yeah, I'm not rooting for that.

547
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,720
It's just that like they have to me, like I

548
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,839
felt like I was watching a brother and sister kiss today,

549
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,759
Like they've had no romantic chemistry. They've not set that

550
00:24:50,839 --> 00:24:52,839
up at all. So if they make some sort of

551
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,880
joke nick episode or in the future of like oh,

552
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,279
you know, did you have to do that to give

553
00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:57,880
me the key? And I don't know what he can

554
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,319
even say. It's not creepy, but to me felt like

555
00:25:01,319 --> 00:25:03,680
like to me, it felt maybe the ting the keys

556
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,400
in the mouth maybe and then you know House was

557
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,759
going to kid you great. But the way they shot

558
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:10,720
that to me, I was like, oh boy, I don't

559
00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:12,759
like this, so that's this is the way and see,

560
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,480
but I'm taking it as they're starting some romantic and

561
00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:17,880
that's a that's a con for me now, I'm because

562
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,839
the canon just because it doesn't set up and I

563
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,720
don't think they've had that type of chemistry. It was

564
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,079
weird to see it. It was very odd.

565
00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 2: I was not expecting it at all, like it it

566
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,400
like totally was like a holy fuck, is this actually

567
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,079
happening right now? Because yeah, like take my own like,

568
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:38,160
I don't know personal feelings about this this dynamic. It's

569
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,759
just and it wasn't set up at any point. I

570
00:25:40,759 --> 00:25:42,720
don't think, like I'm even trying to think back of

571
00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:45,559
like season one, they just always seemed like more of

572
00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:49,319
a brother sister like friend dynamic for what you laid

573
00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:53,599
out there. And yeah, like I I imagine they're trying

574
00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:55,039
to play it off that like yeah, that was the

575
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,799
distraction for him to give her the key, But I

576
00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:03,079
think the execution was so awful and like, I don't know,

577
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,400
I'm not kissing my sister on the lips under a

578
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:17,799
key that probably but probably probably that's strange. Just that

579
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,480
much tongue that Elron was shoving in there. I don't know,

580
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:23,960
that's weird, but yeah it was. It was so weird,

581
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,000
and I'm interested to see what the follow up is

582
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:30,240
and like just so we're gonna get married now, like

583
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,079
like like like what's gonna happen next time they meet?

584
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,319
It's they just not even gonna talk about it, and

585
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,480
that like makes it more awkward. Strange, strange, strange choice

586
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,160
and out of left field. It felt big time and

587
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,920
glad Reels just's got Halibranch, got l Rone, got Calbourne somewhere, and.

588
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet they don't even like interact till next

589
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,079
season four. If they interact, no, no, no, if they interact

590
00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:03,079
next episode, it's like very lightly, but I feel like

591
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,799
the people, the writers are gonna read the room and

592
00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:06,839
it's kind of like, I don't know if you guys

593
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,119
remember that season they tried to put Dexter and Debrea

594
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,200
together and everyone fucking hate it.

595
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:13,759
Speaker 2: That's when I dropped off. I think that's my last

596
00:27:13,839 --> 00:27:14,599
season I was.

597
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 3: And then the next season they just completely fucking dropped it,

598
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:18,799
and I was like, oh, that wasn't a thing, and

599
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,759
they just said Ded was going through shit, Like I

600
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:24,400
think this is even if they say, oh no, like

601
00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:27,160
that was never we're going, I don't believe them. I

602
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,559
think this throughout they're going and they're gonna drop it fast.

603
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,400
I don't see people liking this story at all.

604
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just super unearned for me. It wasn't

605
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,160
set up very well. And the fact that we spend

606
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,160
most of this season, as we're talked about, I think

607
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,480
the last episode, like glad Girl's been mostly absent this season,

608
00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:45,599
just getting a couple of little random scenes here or there.

609
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,880
It's been what since was it episode three when they

610
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,279
got split up from each other in this season like that,

611
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:54,680
it's been a while since that. I was like a

612
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,079
month ago the last time that they and you know

613
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,319
in in the universe here, that could be like years long,

614
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,640
like because then once again, the time and teleportation in

615
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,119
this show is just absolutely wild and hard to understand.

616
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,640
But yeah, it was very unearned, and like the fact

617
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,559
that it led into this plot point where he passed

618
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:14,000
the thing along. Sure, but I feel like they weren't

619
00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:16,680
just doing it for that reason. They're also, yeah, trying

620
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,240
to lay the breadcrumb down for for that to pick up,

621
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:22,200
and yeah, presumably next season. I think I'll predict season three,

622
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,920
not season four for that to continue. But yeah, like

623
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,839
it feels like they're definitely laying that down for it

624
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,680
to happen in the future, which I don't know. I

625
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,480
guess I don't really have much of an issue with

626
00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:33,920
it if they're going down that path, but it definitely

627
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,799
was surprising here. And it's also I feel like the

628
00:28:36,839 --> 00:28:40,720
Elves as a race are just it's a very sexless race.

629
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:42,519
I feel like there's not a lot of not a

630
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:44,839
lot of intimacy going on in.

631
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,799
Speaker 3: The Arwin.

632
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:53,039
Speaker 4: But that's like with a man.

633
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:54,279
Speaker 3: So elas if they else stret to a man, it's

634
00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:56,680
it's bang city, But Elves it's more just like a

635
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,720
hand holding situation.

636
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,599
Speaker 2: Some morgies going on in the deep woods.

637
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 4: We don't I mean, don't even how long their lives

638
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,400
are and how many, Like I don't know how many

639
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,480
kids in average family has, but you know, in this

640
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:09,480
in this time, they probably can't be just banging all

641
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,799
the time or else they'd be just overpopulated. If they

642
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:13,960
have ten thousand year lifespans.

643
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:16,319
Speaker 3: Right, So they're so powerful though there's so many of them.

644
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:17,119
You know, they're like the.

645
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 4: Orcs, but then you know resources Middle Earth can only

646
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,400
handle some. Look at Linden at the start of whatever

647
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,240
this season is like Decayne, you know.

648
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:24,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's freshly mind.

649
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think that the kisses, yeah, it was

650
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,119
uncalled for, pulled me out of a little bit, but

651
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,000
I definitely can get on board with the fact that, Okay,

652
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:41,519
he was doing it as.

653
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,839
Speaker 2: The way you're starting to say that, I think.

654
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:46,119
Speaker 4: I liked it though.

655
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,839
Speaker 1: I just think that he did it as a means

656
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,599
of just distraction eight hours probably like I was pulled

657
00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:58,240
out of the situation as we were watching it, But

658
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,559
it was just a method of just him trying to

659
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,640
sneak this little lock pick into her hands. I think

660
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,440
it will all depend my reception of this scene, will

661
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,400
all depend how they move forward with them. If they

662
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,039
don't kiss again and have any real kind of like

663
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:15,319
relationship kind of dynamic, then I feel like, Okay, yeah,

664
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:17,480
he just did it just to really distract them and

665
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:21,079
just slide this thing to her. But I will say

666
00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:23,960
the only other time I felt like there was not

667
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:26,960
sexual tension, but romantic tension between the two of them

668
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,599
was when he was building his little boat and she

669
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,200
walks into the shops.

670
00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 5: Like you I need help. I need you to come

671
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:34,119
with me. You need to lead the team. Then he's

672
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:34,519
like no.

673
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:38,359
Speaker 1: There was a bit of time there that really felt

674
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,839
like they were gonna kiss, but they didn't.

675
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 5: At least that's to me. That's how I felt with

676
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:42,519
that scene.

677
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,799
Speaker 3: And that's why I when we I think earlier this

678
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:46,640
season we talked about, like why are they just so

679
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:49,279
mad at each other? Was that them trying to be

680
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,519
like it's a lover's quarrels, what sort of thing? And

681
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:54,799
that's it's like now I think retroactively it was, and

682
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:58,079
I'm like, oh, like no, like this is not like

683
00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:01,440
it's just it's odd expect she because, like like Jones said,

684
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,559
we just got away from her being like kind of

685
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,640
like they haven't said this, but she's like she had

686
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,960
a breakup with sorrow, like she was. They were falling

687
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,119
for each other right in some sort of way, and

688
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,880
that's how they even say that, oh, you're so weak,

689
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,799
and because she was falling out with this guy but

690
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,279
like to pair up already of like okay, another guy

691
00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:20,519
and then I imagine if this relationship doesn't happen, like yeah,

692
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,880
the actual the husband will come in at some point.

693
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,000
So it's just like I.

694
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,799
Speaker 5: Don't like, I don't rebound.

695
00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: He could be the rebound he looked tell me in

696
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:33,000
Fellowship he's a rebound guy. And don't forget Hobbit. Remember

697
00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:35,319
Gladal it was with Gandalf.

698
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,279
Speaker 2: So it's like this character, I hate all these fucking

699
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:41,960
pairings that she has, Like it should just be the

700
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,039
one Caliborne matching one Caliborn.

701
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,319
Speaker 3: She had to go and see a lot of people

702
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:50,680
before she know Calibernborne was the one because.

703
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:53,119
Speaker 2: They're like comparing, you know, their history of lovers. And

704
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:59,400
he's like, oh, but he.

705
00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:00,319
Speaker 4: Was a good family man.

706
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:07,039
Speaker 3: There was anatar, all versions of yeah there's almans are

707
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:17,680
on anatar all huge, his ears, his hair, his hair

708
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:18,559
was just throbbed.

709
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: And it's so good then and everything his.

710
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,759
Speaker 3: Oh man hallucinations. Yeah, it was so good when Calibrinbourne

711
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:32,359
would watch anyways, So all right, No, it was like that,

712
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,359
let's have about calvin Us, like maybe some good stuff

713
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:38,440
to talk about. Yeah, this this scene absolutely loved. I

714
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,960
love the type of like matrix trick where he's out

715
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,160
on his balcony's drinking away like ah, it's just the

716
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,039
cut to like el like just dying like beneath his feet.

717
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,400
So it's like it's good, like not bad way, it's

718
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,160
good comedically. But that little rat, the rat is what

719
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,640
made him catch on it. I liked it in the

720
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,880
Mouse and I like they said because you sorrow was

721
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,079
so like his mind was split both ways, right of

722
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,559
like Okay, he's with Calibrimbo and he's with the elves.

723
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:10,720
There he's focusing on the battle. There's other stuff happening

724
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:13,279
that he like forgot a detail. It feels like very

725
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:16,839
much an inception. When they throw god Ken wants anomb

726
00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:18,480
me down right, and he's like, oh, you've done this

727
00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:21,519
whole place great except this rug, like this rug is

728
00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:23,279
not here or whatever. It's like, oh shit. And that's

729
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:26,200
what it felt like. So everything from I actually thought

730
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:28,319
he's still not always a grace. But I thought this

731
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,640
was calibrin Moore was best acting when he comes out

732
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,079
of it. I loved all the deception. I thought this

733
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:37,480
was the what's his full real name? The actors, it's Pickett,

734
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:41,599
It's Pickett Perkins or Picking's something right, remember Anyways, Hal

735
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,920
brand Antar. I thought this was like his best acting

736
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:49,519
with Charlie's Vickers. Thank you, yeah again, Charlie's Charlie Picken Vickers.

737
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:53,480
This was like to actually seem intimidating that scene when

738
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,720
the elves have the knives on him. He turns like, uh,

739
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,880
I have more say, but uh, I think great stuff

740
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,160
all wrong overall for a storyline that it's been very

741
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:01,960
bumpy for me.

742
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,119
Speaker 2: So uh yeah.

743
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,839
Speaker 1: So with calib Brinbore, yeah, I think he was great

744
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,599
in this episode. And again I laugh at many many

745
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:14,360
times with the scene, Travis. I the first thing I

746
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,599
will say with him, because you brought it up, him

747
00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:18,559
just going in to his tower enjoying his drink and

748
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:19,440
everything's peachy.

749
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 5: I just could you.

750
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,679
Speaker 1: Imagine you're screaming down below, you're freaking out. You look

751
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,599
up and the Lord of Origion's just smiling drinking his

752
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:27,280
drink like.

753
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:28,559
Speaker 3: Good morning, Louck.

754
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 4: Look everything that's not real. So he could have been

755
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,519
just drinking Anatar's blood again or something totally Yeah.

756
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,159
Speaker 1: Uh So with Calibrinbore, now, this happened twice the first time,

757
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:41,719
when he had the realization of what was going on,

758
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,639
he walked out and fucking cannonball lands and he just

759
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:49,320
blows off the staircase jump. Thirty minutes later, when he's

760
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,920
trying to escape with the rings and what happens, Another

761
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,800
cannibal comes and he fucking flies off his staircase like

762
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,719
he just kept getting fucking pelted.

763
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 3: These l's are durable. Leron took a full punch from

764
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,960
that troll flying, so their backs real sturdy.

765
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are absolutely really sturdy. What was the other

766
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,719
thing that I wrote down on him?

767
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,199
Speaker 3: You had to do a saw trap too?

768
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 5: He had to do a saw trap.

769
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he took his whole hand off, but

770
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:15,840
it was just the finger to uh to get out

771
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:16,119
of there.

772
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:18,039
Speaker 3: But I love that he didn't even try, like the

773
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,280
in on the medal first, like it wouldn't have worked,

774
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,559
but like I still would have tried.

775
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

776
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:23,559
Speaker 1: He was gonna.

777
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 3: Dog glads like that would have totally broken it. Why'd

778
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,599
you cut your thumb off?

779
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,199
Speaker 1: So my only other two notes with Kevin Brimbore, I

780
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,480
just I thought it was really funny when the second

781
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:36,519
time he flew off his stairs and he wakes up

782
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,119
and the elves are like, oh, he's hurt himself. You know,

783
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:41,199
let's get him back to his tower by order of

784
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,480
the Lord of Rigion Anatar or whatever. And then it

785
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:47,559
just Gladio shows up and then there they just change

786
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:49,440
on a dime, like oh he's got alone, we'll go

787
00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:51,920
with it, like you fucking posers, get out of here.

788
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,320
You guys don't deserve.

789
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 4: The Ladril has that effect on people.

790
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 5: That's what I.

791
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,079
Speaker 2: Started kissing all the guys.

792
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,079
Speaker 3: I don't nothing wrong with that.

793
00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:04,519
Speaker 2: And I thought that was so strange. Yeah, like how

794
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:07,920
easily It's like I get it's it's you know, the commander,

795
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:12,679
it's it's it's glad real. But still it's like, no,

796
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,840
this is the Lord of Aragua. And they're like just

797
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:20,960
completely like dis discounting, calibrin Boor's claims of or like

798
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:24,480
even just like anything anything he's saying. They're not believing him.

799
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,159
And then she comes in. It's like, oh okay, yeah,

800
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:29,159
that's a wrestless guy. And they're never like oh sorry,

801
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,159
you know, or like we were totally misguided, or like

802
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,239
there's no like guilt that's felt by them. They're like, oh, yeah,

803
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,079
we're on this side. Now, we're on this side. They're

804
00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:40,039
just very stupid.

805
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 3: I I thought, which was kind of strange. I see.

806
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:44,599
I guess I didn't have a problem with that because

807
00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:47,840
I just felt like what I loved is the moment

808
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,239
where they were going to arrest them, and then I

809
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,679
think Sarron says some sort of line like you're not

810
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:54,119
the only one I've been talking to or you're not

811
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:56,440
the one I've been like he pretty much just implies

812
00:36:56,519 --> 00:36:59,960
like his knights are just going around talking to everybody,

813
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:03,239
and it's like, fuck, that's scary to think that. It's

814
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,679
like if what he's doing at Calbrinborn is what he's doing.

815
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,440
And we saw like a little bit with the lady Elf,

816
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,519
which of course we'll talk about, but like, if he's

817
00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:11,920
doing that with everybody of every night, you're just spend

818
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,199
half an hour sorrow while he just whispers sweet nothing near.

819
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:16,559
That's just like, that's scary. And I think that showed

820
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:18,239
when that moment we will get to it now and

821
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:21,599
the lady, you know, gets gets pushed, but he says like,

822
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:23,320
look at his blood, that sorrow on is black and

823
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,039
he puts his hand up and it's blood. That's where

824
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:27,920
I actually was with the towns people, because at this

825
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,360
point it's it's like this guy has done nothing. He's

826
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,000
given terrible orders that Anatar was skewing right, and then

827
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:36,840
now he's just in the middle of imagine that in

828
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,159
the middle of war. He's just like that's sorrow and

829
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,719
to them it's just like a regular elf. You'd be like, dude,

830
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,400
this guy's fucking lost it, Like we can't follow this

831
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,679
guy at all. And then, like I said, just Sarron

832
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,079
saying like, yeah, I'm kind of fucking with everybody right now.

833
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,559
That's why I kind of believe maybe it's a little

834
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:53,519
rush with Glad real agree with you guys, but that's

835
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:56,519
why I kind of believe that, oh his his hooks

836
00:37:56,519 --> 00:37:58,840
are in this city way more than we even got

837
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,599
to see, and that I enjoyed.

838
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 2: So I think it just had issues with the fact that,

839
00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:09,400
like I get it if he is able to basically

840
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:16,039
just like convince everyone that he's kind of sorry, Anatar

841
00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:20,199
is convincing everyone that Kelibrimble is kind of going crazy,

842
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:23,920
but like nobody's really seen Kelibrimbore in any of these moments,

843
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,880
so like this is the first time that they're really

844
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,239
seeing him, and they're like not even really giving him

845
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,960
a shot or like listening to anything he has to say.

846
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,960
I just thought that seems strange because no one had

847
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:36,199
even really seen Kellibrimbore. So the fact that he's like

848
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,760
out here and just like totally he looks like he's

849
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,760
been tortured for like a very and like just gone

850
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,679
through the ringer, and like he does sound a little

851
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,679
crazy with the first things that he is saying. But

852
00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:50,880
I just thought it was strange that the elves like

853
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,320
they weren't even listening to anything he had to say.

854
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,239
It's just like, oh no, you're you're evil, and we're

855
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,960
not listening to you. And it just seems like the

856
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:03,559
strategy that they're falling from anatar it didn't really make

857
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:06,239
the most sense too of like what they like he's

858
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,360
like telling them to like reinforce the gates and like

859
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,000
reinforce the walls because like they're coming to destroy the wall.

860
00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:13,800
They're like, we're not gonna listen to you, Like no,

861
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,480
that that doesn't make sense, Like we're gonna listen to

862
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,239
this guy that's telling us to not defend the walls

863
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,199
at all. Like it just they just felt like peons

864
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:24,639
that have no brains and they're just following blind orders

865
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:26,679
because this is the person that's now like the leader

866
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,000
of a raygun. So it just to me it made

867
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:33,159
the Elves seem a lot dumber. You can make the

868
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,840
argument that it is just because, as you said, Travis,

869
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,639
like Anatar just has his his hooks on the whole town,

870
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:43,440
and I like, I don't know, I think through some discussion,

871
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,800
I could definitely agree with that, But I just think

872
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,079
for what was shown, I maybe wanted more like actually

873
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:52,280
shown there because we just kind of see him using

874
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,039
his silver tongue on you know, not in that way,

875
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:59,199
but his silver tongue words on moderna Meridia whatever her

876
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:05,599
name is, Randa, uh Miran A lot of m's in there, Miranda,

877
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,039
So like like that I get, But that's also like

878
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,239
one on one so he's able to just like really

879
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,880
use his his charisma, whatever his his influence is on

880
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:15,639
and then we get to see the one on one

881
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:18,800
between like him and Calibrinbor. So that makes sense to me.

882
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,519
But it's just like when there's so many moving pieces

883
00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:24,360
and like everyone kind of has to be the same,

884
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:26,559
I don't know, a linness, like not even one person

885
00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:28,159
is questioning it. It was just a bit of a

886
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:30,920
stretch for me. So yeah, I had some issues with that.

887
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,199
Overall scene. I already mentioned yea when Gladial shows up,

888
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,800
but just just I don't know, it seemed a little

889
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,679
bit messy er than it had been in the past,

890
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,519
and I think it is just due to like the

891
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:42,719
one on one sessions that he had in the past.

892
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you made a good point there of

893
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:48,440
just we really don't like in this season at least,

894
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,280
we haven't had a lot of players in Orangion. It's

895
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:56,679
really calibrin boor Anatar, Mardonna, and then like this one

896
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,719
elf Guard guy that we've seen a few times now,

897
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,239
but like I would never tell you his name, and

898
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,920
he has a like a very one note personality and

899
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,639
he's kind of like the leader of the guards, I guess.

900
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:10,199
So that's just who we can when we need that

901
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,119
kind of character to pop up, he can be that guy.

902
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,360
And so I think it's especially disappointing with Moredonia's fate here.

903
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,000
We're just like, man, that was such a nothing character.

904
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:20,840
And I really feel like there was moments like or

905
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:23,480
mostly in the first half of the season where it's like, Oh,

906
00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:26,159
this is cool, this is something different. I like this character,

907
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,119
and then I just I feel like she kind of

908
00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:31,000
just became obviously she was falling for anatom and whatnot,

909
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:33,239
but then she kind of ceased to have any personality

910
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,159
outside that. And I can get it to an extent

911
00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:38,880
where you know, if seeing what he's done to calibrin Bore,

912
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,320
what is he doing to other weaker minds as well?

913
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,199
And the fact that like he's probably been there for

914
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,199
years at this point, I assume or months at least,

915
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:49,599
Like it makes sense that he'd have this kind of

916
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:52,079
sway over these people at this point, but it does

917
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:53,920
make it hard to like buy into a lot of

918
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,199
these moments, and like certain shifts feel very quick and

919
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,199
out of nowhere. So yeah, I just felt like some

920
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:02,960
of that stuff was I I really I love the

921
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,119
moment when he snaps out of the thing and the

922
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:07,519
fact that he caught onto this little time loop thing

923
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:10,519
that was occurring was a really cool moment. But I

924
00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:12,480
just feel like after that it was a bit cheesy,

925
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:16,119
like the acting from pretty much everyone, Like once once

926
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:17,719
we left that tower, I just felt like it was

927
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,639
a little like the execution wasn't as on point, unfortunately,

928
00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:27,639
But my god, when Mardonia when commands calibern Boor to

929
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,920
smack Mardonia off the Wall. It was so quick and yeah,

930
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,480
I just I just couldn't stop laughing. I'm sorry, Mardonia,

931
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,239
but it's just to me, it was like, man, we

932
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,920
spent so much time with this character for her to

933
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,639
just die and like some random character like the elf

934
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,679
who you know, dies with like a thousand arrows in

935
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,760
her like bor mirror. In this episode, she gets a

936
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,400
more meaningful emotional death than Mardonia, this character who like

937
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,599
we've spent a lot of time with and should be

938
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:52,920
more important, but just not the best.

939
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,559
Speaker 3: The first time I saw it, I missed that Sarn

940
00:42:56,599 --> 00:43:00,440
pushed her. So I literally thought that Calvin Borr just

941
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,000
fucking snapped and push her off because I was saying

942
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:06,360
with them like talker. So that's why I rewinded. I

943
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,400
was like, oh my god, did they just really make

944
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,960
it push her off? And then I was like no,

945
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,360
but I it was kind of done commedically. I liked

946
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,760
the idea of Sarn kind of again framing him even

947
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,880
more so. I did like that. But it was.

948
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 4: A smoking gun moment right then and there.

949
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Odoice. She lands and she's someone alive

950
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:25,400
and then nope, and Orc comes and beheads or two.

951
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:28,239
So it's like yeah, yeah, so yeah, which she get.

952
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,400
I'm I'm kind of fine with. I think that character,

953
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,119
I guess served his purpose. Did she need to be there?

954
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:34,559
I don't know.

955
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:37,639
Speaker 5: Now it's like what purpose did she serve?

956
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 4: Though, I guess just named actor. She could have been

957
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,119
like an extra honestly with like what her actual impact

958
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:44,880
on the season was.

959
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,039
Speaker 3: And I guess the only two things I'd say is

960
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,239
it gave us another character for Sarron to show, Okay,

961
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,880
he's using his powers as with And then it also

962
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,840
showed that when at the beginning, when a lot of

963
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,000
talents people were questioning him of like should we listen

964
00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:01,599
to anataran? No? No, no, like good good, good elf good people.

965
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,760
So he did kind of use her to twist the

966
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:07,280
arm of the other el folk there. So I'd say

967
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,079
there was something. I just maybe wish there was a

968
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:10,679
little more, but I guess maybe not now that we

969
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:11,880
know the fate of her.

970
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,039
Speaker 4: So I think that's that's a good point that we

971
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,639
probably did need more evidence of that, because other than that,

972
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,480
we would have that moment where he goes to the

973
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:20,239
minds and they just don't give a shit what he

974
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,519
has to say. He's like Okay, he's yeah, great, here

975
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:25,800
is like fifty percent. That's not great. So it's good

976
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,519
to have, yeah, more people that we are following and

977
00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:30,519
we can see their kind of journey a little bit

978
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,400
falling in line with him. So good point.

979
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. The the rumors that I was seeing some people

980
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,719
talking about with this character was that she was supposed

981
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,400
to be like Calibrion or like just a different name

982
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:47,320
I guess for Klibrion, which is Galadriel's daughter who Elron

983
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,800
eventually marries. And uh, I know that. That's why I

984
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,239
was like, like when I was seeing those like rumors

985
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,119
and then like they're doing the comparison with the hair,

986
00:44:55,199 --> 00:44:56,960
like some people were making those arguments, I'm like, this

987
00:44:57,039 --> 00:44:59,239
is so fucking terrible. I hate this so much. I

988
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,880
hated when hell Brand was like just using his charisma

989
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,360
on glad Eel and now he's like potentially doing on

990
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,559
his daughter, like on her daughter. It's just so strange

991
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:11,119
to me. So in that moment, it just like the

992
00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:14,199
way that that Kelibrin Boorge is like backhanded her off

993
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,960
the wall, just backhanded that theory out of this show.

994
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,039
So I was so happy with that, and yeah, I

995
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:22,639
don't I don't know for what's been going on in

996
00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:26,760
the show so far. I don't think I ever want

997
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,719
to see Calibrion in this show. I just don't think

998
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,880
I could. I don't trust them to do that. She's

999
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,039
com at tail properly, and I don't know. I think

1000
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,400
there's a there's a version of the show that maybe

1001
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:40,199
that can make sense, and we have Kliborne from season one,

1002
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,639
but uh, I think if they should.

1003
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 3: Do the love angle with glad gl and Lron, I

1004
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,519
definitely don't want that because that's just fucking gross. Sen.

1005
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,199
It's like, I know things didn't work out between us,

1006
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:52,280
but you should really see my daughter, you know.

1007
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, yeah, not great.

1008
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: The uh again, what you talked about Kirklen, the the

1009
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,559
mannerisms and the certain things that these elves were doing.

1010
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,719
I feel like these elves were just very human man

1011
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,960
like I guess since their responses to certain situations, especially.

1012
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:12,039
Speaker 5: Like a lot of the Archers on the Wall.

1013
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:14,639
Speaker 1: And that's where that I was leading to the non spoilers,

1014
00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:18,519
just the fact that I'm making these comparisons, and I

1015
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:20,679
don't mean to. It's just we have we have Middle

1016
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,840
Earth represented in two different avenues here with the Rings

1017
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,559
of Power and then the Lord of the Rings trilogy,

1018
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:27,599
and so when you look at the elves from the

1019
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:30,239
Lord of Rings trilogy, I'm gonna go to the scene

1020
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,000
here with two towers where the elves are basically on

1021
00:46:33,039 --> 00:46:36,519
the wall and just they're stoic, emotionless, just firing like

1022
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:40,639
they are. To me, they're like NPCs with how they

1023
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:44,599
are just so emotionless, and it just, yeah, it feels

1024
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:46,800
more elf like to me like that.

1025
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:48,159
Speaker 2: And then when you.

1026
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: See the elves in here like shooting off the walls

1027
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,119
and stuff like there, these elves are just so emotional

1028
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:58,519
and so it's just maybe overly passionate in their emotions

1029
00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:01,760
and it doesn't screen em elf like to me. Even

1030
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,400
the way they were charging on their horses, that just

1031
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,239
felt like, oh, these guys just look like they're a

1032
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:12,079
bunch of humans like men and women, but mostly just

1033
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:12,920
seeing them.

1034
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,159
Speaker 5: Just handle certain situations, it just feels like.

1035
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, even with the Bora mirrored she elf when she

1036
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,079
it felt like uh Alron was throwing shade at her

1037
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:25,639
because like, what are we gonna do? And Aaron's like,

1038
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:27,719
you know, like if you were to fire and arrow,

1039
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,719
it could turn the tide. I felt like the way

1040
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,760
he said, it was like she didn't do ship all

1041
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,199
until this point.

1042
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:38,199
Speaker 4: They cut back to him and his two cronies just

1043
00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:42,239
like watching her getting pelted on and just like not

1044
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:42,960
helping her.

1045
00:47:43,519 --> 00:47:43,679
Speaker 3: It was.

1046
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: It was weird the I.

1047
00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:50,039
Speaker 5: In addition to this, when Aron.

1048
00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: Appears in caser Doom and is approaching Duran, I really

1049
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,719
thought this was sour on and disguise because I did

1050
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,639
not see any lead up here to the l and

1051
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:03,679
like the High King like just appearing here, because the

1052
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,840
last that they left off was the High King was like,

1053
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,840
we're not going to do anything, and then he just

1054
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,159
touches his ring and the scene ends. And then so here,

1055
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:14,920
all of a sudden they show anatar leave Keller Brimbo

1056
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:16,800
and the alone in the tower. He goes off, and

1057
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,679
then we get a couple of scenes later we see

1058
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,519
el Ron just appearing in full armor in casardoom and

1059
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:26,360
he's he's he's not responding exactly spot on to the

1060
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,400
way Duran's questions are, Like he turns away from Duran.

1061
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:33,800
He's giving him very mysterious responses, like the kind of

1062
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,920
responses you would give to someone if you're like posing

1063
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,840
as somebody else. To me, I just thought Okay, this

1064
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,400
is sour I'm pretending because he just needs the Dwarves

1065
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,880
to come out and fight to delay them the Orcs,

1066
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,440
from getting in and disrupting Keleb Brimbo's work.

1067
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 5: Of course, I am totally wrong with all this, but

1068
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:50,400
it's just the way they set it up. It was

1069
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:50,960
very weird.

1070
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,039
Speaker 1: And the next scene you see Anatar walk into the

1071
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:57,480
lab with calebrimboor so, it just it felt very suspicious

1072
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,280
to me. But sure enough, then we see Aleron actually

1073
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,320
there with the army and the High King, and I

1074
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,199
just thought they didn't segue this properly because now we

1075
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,039
have him set up with the dwarfs now, So I.

1076
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,119
Speaker 2: Feel like I would have liked that version more, honestly,

1077
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:15,280
like what you're laying out, I feel like it would

1078
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,280
have just it felt like up until this point, Anatar

1079
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:23,239
was like setting up just like an absolute checkmate on Aragon,

1080
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,719
like like he is just he's taking over the like

1081
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,440
the leader of well, he's all but taking out the

1082
00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:30,840
leader of Oregon up until this point, like he is

1083
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,039
basically running the show. And then he's also the orchestra,

1084
00:49:34,679 --> 00:49:38,840
the orchestra, the orchestrator for getting like the Urux there

1085
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,440
to like like everything is just fallen in place. So

1086
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,719
if it's also revealed that like he just showed up

1087
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,760
there like disguised as someone like that and just like

1088
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,559
totally fucking with the Orcs, like that's that's like just

1089
00:49:49,639 --> 00:49:52,639
a triple whammy of like an absolute defeat. And I

1090
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:54,360
would have been totally fine if it was just like

1091
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,840
an absolutely decisive defeat of Aragon all and like it's

1092
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,440
just like a the dour way to like end off

1093
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,440
the season, like obviously you know you got some light

1094
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,599
of the valor of hope and just like just just

1095
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:10,199
going in that direction going forward in the show. But

1096
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,960
that's like an Empire strikes back type like ending of

1097
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,599
this season. And I would have loved it because we

1098
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:17,599
knew that the fall of Oragon was coming. It was

1099
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:20,360
in the trailers of the Big Siege. So to have

1100
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,559
this almost like a Helm's Deep type ending where it's like, oh, yeah,

1101
00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:26,480
we like held off and I don't know, there's the

1102
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:29,679
there's it's not quite overfolly yet, but like I don't know,

1103
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,599
I just for what you were pitching their tailor like

1104
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:35,239
with what we got in comparison, I actually think I

1105
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,639
would have got liked that a lot more and maybe

1106
00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:40,039
that would have trimmed off some fat of dialogue between

1107
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:41,599
some dirty elves, you know.

1108
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,639
Speaker 4: And question for you, Taylor with with how you're feeling

1109
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:49,000
about these elves not kind of they're not the elves

1110
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,360
that you know in love necessarily they was you're familiar.

1111
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,199
Do you feel that way for the Linden elves as

1112
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:54,800
well as they rang you on elves or is it

1113
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,119
just kind of one or either of them that are

1114
00:50:57,159 --> 00:50:57,880
standing out to you.

1115
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:03,079
Speaker 1: It's a good question, actually, probably just seegan elves feel that.

1116
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:04,639
Speaker 5: I feel that way.

1117
00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 1: The Linden ones feel different. They feel more stoic and

1118
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,880
even I can't remember the guy's name, but the the

1119
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,280
wisest and oldest.

1120
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 5: Of the elves, what was his name.

1121
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:19,119
Speaker 1: He's one of the ring wears Kirkland.

1122
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:20,559
Speaker 2: The shipyard and yeah, so he's been kind of missing

1123
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:22,360
who that is.

1124
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,039
Speaker 5: He's the boat maker guy.

1125
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 2: He was the one that was like telling that there's

1126
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:28,079
positive So.

1127
00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 5: They're the ring of.

1128
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 3: The most wisest Elvey'll take this ring bitch, and he's

1129
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:34,320
just left.

1130
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,639
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, don't forget the kiss, Galadri that was the

1131
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,840
last piece of tongue.

1132
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 4: Give her a lock pick while you're at it.

1133
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'd definitely say the linden Ones feel much more,

1134
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,320
much more stoic and emotionless.

1135
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 2: The linden Ones, So like, let's be honest, come on, Galla.

1136
00:51:53,199 --> 00:51:55,119
Speaker 4: The linden Ones do to me, they do feel like

1137
00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:58,559
a more familiar type elf. A'm fan of gil Galad,

1138
00:51:58,599 --> 00:52:00,480
but you know, they just feel like they're Riven Dell

1139
00:52:00,599 --> 00:52:03,320
sort of style, whereas the Ranguan ones. Yeah, I do

1140
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,639
feel like that. I don't I maybe it does make

1141
00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:07,280
a bit of sense to me why that's happening. Like

1142
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,199
even when the Linden and Elves come to the battle,

1143
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,639
that feels very reminiscent of the Lord of the Rings movies.

1144
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:15,039
But yeah, with the Ring, like, I feel like that

1145
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:19,119
city is just a city of like craftsmen and artists

1146
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,440
and just a chill cultural place mecca where people just

1147
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:26,039
hang out and make cool shit and love each other.

1148
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:27,840
So I don't know, maybe that's just part of it.

1149
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,400
Maybe they maybe they just are more emotional be based

1150
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,280
on their their culture there is different than the the

1151
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,280
other elves who just like you know, praise trees all

1152
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,280
day long and stand around in their robes. Like it's

1153
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,800
just different, different, strokes, you know, m m.

1154
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1155
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,119
Speaker 3: The only thing I want to say that I forgot

1156
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,159
is I like to reveal what the nethro was. We

1157
00:52:48,159 --> 00:52:49,920
talked about that a couple of weeks ago. I like, oh,

1158
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,960
how it's get this throw And it really was just

1159
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,840
like something he cooked up that's not good. So a

1160
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:56,920
plus reveal.

1161
00:52:56,679 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: There A plus. I thought that was so fantastic, especially

1162
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:02,679
just like it's such a great visual for like how

1163
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,360
he added his own corruption to these rings and and

1164
00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:10,480
it really differentiates them from like the Elve or the

1165
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:14,400
Elf the Elf rings, the Elvin rings or like even

1166
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:19,880
even I guess what was done with the Yeah, and

1167
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,639
like I imagine he like he still had some way

1168
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:25,880
to corrupt them, like a little bit, especially with what's

1169
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,000
going on with King Duran right now, but like.

1170
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,639
Speaker 4: Like a fingernail clipping or something.

1171
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, a couple of hairs maybe like a

1172
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,280
little bigger here in the bit, but looks over and

1173
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:47,480
he's just just packing a big movie. But like the

1174
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:50,679
I don't know, it's just like, Okay, this is why

1175
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:55,239
the human ones are just that much more extreme on

1176
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,280
the corruption side. I still like the the reasoning that

1177
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,000
it is just because the men are the easiest ones

1178
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:04,760
to be corrupted. But this is like yeah, it's like okay,

1179
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,280
that is a factor, but this is also just made

1180
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,800
from like the blood of the dark one, right yeah, same, yeah,

1181
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:12,920
yeah exactly.

1182
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:16,639
Speaker 4: I had a question about that, which is like what

1183
00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:18,880
what is it exactly? Maybe don't have the answer to this,

1184
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,840
like what is it that makes these rings powerful? Because

1185
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,800
I would have assumed that, like you kind of need

1186
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,119
the mytho for these rings to actually have power to

1187
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,920
them at all, Like that, like that's part of you know,

1188
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,760
you can have these different parts of the recipe, but

1189
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,280
if you're missing that core ingredient, then like the whole

1190
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,159
thing won't work together and you can't just like in

1191
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:42,199
some recipes you can substitute something for something that's quite similar,

1192
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,280
you know, like soy solace or time or something like that.

1193
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,559
But in this case, like you can't just put you

1194
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:48,840
can't just take mythrol and put blood in and the

1195
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,039
ring still works like it still does something. Or maybe

1196
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,679
the rings just don't work at all and all they

1197
00:54:54,679 --> 00:54:56,880
do is corrupt these people and don't actually give them power.

1198
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:57,400
I don't know.

1199
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 2: I think like the biggest reason I would give, especially

1200
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,199
for like the ones that Sauron was a part of

1201
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,400
is that, Like he's an extremely powerful magic like user, right,

1202
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,920
and like he is literally putting his own essence into

1203
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,239
these rings, so he already has just so much power

1204
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:14,440
in it.

1205
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 4: But it isn't like the calibrin boars, like he's building

1206
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,800
these based on his or maybe that's part of it too,

1207
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,360
Maybe that's part of the anatar is like swaying how

1208
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:24,880
they're gonna be built. But I just kind of feel like,

1209
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:27,679
isn't it like the great engineer, like the great inventor guy,

1210
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,599
he's the one who's like building these rings from the

1211
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:32,599
ground up. He's coming up with the structure for them,

1212
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:35,159
and he's putting them together. So like, I guess i'm

1213
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,840
a little I get that angle of the corruption angle

1214
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,519
of it, but I feel like, shouldn't they also just

1215
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:41,840
not work because they don't even have the proper ingredients

1216
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:42,760
in them in the first place?

1217
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might. Like my quick answer would be, well,

1218
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:49,360
he's also like he can also just make stuff with magic,

1219
00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:53,199
so like I feel like he's already doing that even

1220
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,360
just like creating a region. Like I'm sure there's some

1221
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,320
freaking magic that went on too, going into just everything

1222
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,440
that they have been making, whether it's chips or whatnot,

1223
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,760
and except yeah, exactly, there's no they ran out of

1224
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,079
magic that week for that one section. But I I

1225
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:12,039
feel like Kilibrin Bore he is able to put some

1226
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:13,920
sort of and like magic I'm kind of using as

1227
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,599
a loose term there, but it's just like it is

1228
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,400
something more than just regular I don't know, iron for example,

1229
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,280
I think mithrill is like something that he would have

1230
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:26,039
needed to just have it like a pure catalyst to

1231
00:56:26,199 --> 00:56:28,920
like just I don't know, hold on or maybe amplify.

1232
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:30,719
And I'm kind of just spitballing here. I don't know

1233
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,880
if this is actually accurate to how they were done,

1234
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,440
but I feel like for the for the human ones,

1235
00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:37,920
like just the fact that you have souron's of blood

1236
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,639
like that that would just make that such a powerful thing,

1237
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,920
especially just thinking about the One Ring and how like

1238
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,800
that was literally like like he put some blood in

1239
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,320
these human rings, but like he has to put a

1240
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,599
kidney at least in the in the one ring, like

1241
00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:53,880
like that is a good chunk of himself and that's

1242
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:58,039
why when that's why when you know, a cyll door

1243
00:56:58,119 --> 00:57:00,280
chops his hand off and he fades into exist since

1244
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:05,199
he doesn't die, because like his is beans ring, it's

1245
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,079
like your soul. It's the same.

1246
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I kind of like in this way of

1247
00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:12,480
the blood being in these rings for the men because

1248
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:14,599
when they become the Nasugul, it's like they're so tied

1249
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:17,280
tosar On and they are like his disciples. So I

1250
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,679
kind of like that it's because there's a part of them.

1251
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:22,519
And for your guys debate, I just go, it's just magic.

1252
00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:24,119
That's all this. So for me it's like, why are

1253
00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:27,440
they powerful? Because elves they got some magic stuff and

1254
00:57:27,519 --> 00:57:29,960
Sorrow's got some magic stuff and they must just put

1255
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:31,599
some of it into a ring and it can work.

1256
00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:33,280
But that's all I can think of.

1257
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 5: Before we think of anything else.

1258
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,239
Speaker 1: We're going to take another outbreak here, we'll be right back,

1259
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,840
and we're back, So what else are we thinking?

1260
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 4: I uh one, Linden thought we were talking about that

1261
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:49,559
army and gil Galad showing up. That was another thing

1262
00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:52,400
to me that didn't feel earned. And I feel like

1263
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,360
maybe I'm missing the scene or forgetting the scene, but

1264
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,079
I just feel like with where I last saw gill Galla.

1265
00:57:57,159 --> 00:57:58,760
And don't get me wrong, I don't want more scenes

1266
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,400
of this freaking guy, because I don't know like him

1267
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,480
that much, but I still feel like I needed another

1268
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:06,760
scene or two of maybe Elron convincing him or explaining

1269
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,519
what's going on, or someone else that he maybe trusts more,

1270
00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:11,440
because he doesn't seem to give a show what Eleron thinks,

1271
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,239
but although maybe he does, because he actually does decide

1272
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,760
to send all his homies in to do this fight

1273
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,559
at Arangion, So I don't I did feel like something

1274
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,679
was maybe missing there for me to fully understand, uh,

1275
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,800
their motivation to go team up and do this in

1276
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:27,440
the first place.

1277
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 2: It just seems like you'll gallup just kind of does

1278
00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:32,559
what he wants, right, like I, no, I'm not going

1279
00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:34,679
to go join the war effort. And then he's like, oh,

1280
00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:37,280
I did come anyways, because you know, I said it

1281
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,360
was lame at first.

1282
00:58:38,119 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: But he yielded his command to al Rond, right, and

1283
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,480
then what does he say? He charges in like a

1284
00:58:43,559 --> 00:58:46,199
king is a king is needed.

1285
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,719
Speaker 5: For a king? What the fuck did he say?

1286
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,679
Speaker 2: Because like hing goes where they're needed most or what

1287
00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:55,760
the MoU were you? I fucking laughed so hard when

1288
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,559
you try to be like a badass with this one

1289
00:58:57,599 --> 00:58:59,519
liner when he goes up for the troll and he says,

1290
00:58:59,559 --> 00:59:03,840
go back to your hill and be buried. It's like, okay, guy,

1291
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:06,320
like come on, let someone else do the ship talking.

1292
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,840
That was pretty weak. It just seemed like he didn't

1293
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,519
do much. Like I know, he like ran around and

1294
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:13,679
did a couple of things with his his little whatever

1295
00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:15,559
the fuck that thing a lance, I guess.

1296
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 3: I love when he picked it throwing out and just

1297
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,840
swam him like a fucking baseball, like he could do

1298
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,840
a bit more damage. I agree with you, but I like,

1299
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,960
I think he looked very good effect wise, the wielder.

1300
00:59:24,639 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: Of a ring of power like he should be. He

1301
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,760
should be the guy on the battlefield just popping off.

1302
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,000
But he's just dropping one liner.

1303
00:59:32,239 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, you were talking about the troll wielder of

1304
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:35,800
the Ring of Power for a second.

1305
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:42,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just like.

1306
00:59:42,159 --> 00:59:44,519
Speaker 2: The one ring right, it grows for the wear or shrinks.

1307
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:47,719
Speaker 3: So killed Froto and.

1308
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 2: Your whole thing.

1309
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 4: One thing that I always love about, you know, a

1310
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,960
great Lord of the Rings battle is just the phases

1311
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,599
of it. That's one of my favorite parts is when

1312
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:03,920
the Orcs get these crazy, crazy siege weapons, when they

1313
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,360
bring out the big towers, when they bring out the

1314
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,760
ladder things, when they bring out the suicide bomber, all

1315
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,119
that stuff, and so that's why I really just thought

1316
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:12,840
this episode was fun, even if I had a lot

1317
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,199
of issues with the writing and acting in some sequences,

1318
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,719
is because the battle was really fun and for the

1319
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,280
most part, the CGI looked really great and it had

1320
01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:23,039
the phases element to it, like just fuck up the city,

1321
01:00:23,159 --> 01:00:26,280
create some chaos, change the weapons to attack, the mountains

1322
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,440
to block and I thought that what they were gonna

1323
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,840
do is is create the dam and then that would

1324
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,039
like flood the city and then that was what they

1325
01:00:33,039 --> 01:00:35,119
were doing. But no, they were just blocking the water

1326
01:00:35,159 --> 01:00:37,119
so that they could walk up to the gates and

1327
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:39,000
then like all their attempts to get through that wall.

1328
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:42,119
So it was it was fun. I really liked just

1329
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,480
kind of the I guess choreography of how that that

1330
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,000
fight kind of turned out, and it's funny just like

1331
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:53,880
how Oregan had like no defense is planned at all,

1332
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,039
like for their city season. I know Anatar is like

1333
01:00:56,119 --> 01:00:58,079
not is telling them not to do the correct things,

1334
01:00:58,360 --> 01:00:59,519
but I feel like they should have had a few

1335
01:00:59,519 --> 01:01:01,320
more things way and the wings to like help them

1336
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,360
defend in the case that they do get attacked, but

1337
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,239
once again, maybe that's just because Anatar threw all those

1338
01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:08,400
things out the window in the months leaguing up to

1339
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:09,239
this moment. I don't know.

1340
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I like the battle for pretty much the

1341
01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:18,000
most part. I had an issue with just the whole

1342
01:01:18,199 --> 01:01:22,519
ravager and like siege device, it just seems so inefficient,

1343
01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:26,159
Like it seemed like such a such like the least

1344
01:01:26,159 --> 01:01:28,719
possible efficient way you could do to like siege this

1345
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,880
wall of like you get close to it, you get

1346
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,199
these giant fucking pike things. Hopefully the orc with the

1347
01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:37,239
hammer doesn't die. If not, you got someone else is

1348
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:39,199
gonna have to pick up that hammer. Started just I

1349
01:01:39,199 --> 01:01:42,039
imagine it took a fucking while to get those those

1350
01:01:42,199 --> 01:01:44,760
nails into the wall and then they just like pull

1351
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,440
back and then and then it takes off a couple

1352
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:47,880
of blocks and they're like, hey, let's do it again.

1353
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,000
It seemed like they did that like multiple times. It's

1354
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:52,239
like I feel like a RAM would even be better

1355
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,000
at this point, you know, Like I know they don't

1356
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:58,079
have Saramon's fucking big black bombs that he uses in

1357
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,760
two towers there, but it just like it it seemed

1358
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,360
like like the like the writers were like, hey, let's

1359
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,960
make this really like intricate siege device, and it's just

1360
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,920
like in reality, it's it just probably wouldn't work that well.

1361
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:11,519
Like what if it's just like we can't pierce the

1362
01:02:11,559 --> 01:02:14,320
wall with the with the nails, Like what do they

1363
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,119
pivot from that point on? Like it seems like they're

1364
01:02:16,159 --> 01:02:18,800
really gung ho on, like this is our one siege plan.

1365
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,559
And it ended up working, especially with the help of

1366
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:26,039
the troll, but it just seemed like a really slow way,

1367
01:02:26,599 --> 01:02:29,239
uh to take on the wall there. And I don't know,

1368
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,639
it's it it it visually looked cool, like like the

1369
01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:34,400
actual action was going on, but I was just I

1370
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,079
think it's just we just kept going back to the

1371
01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:39,039
ravager device, and I was just like the second or

1372
01:02:39,079 --> 01:02:41,920
third time I started like really thinking about like the

1373
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,800
realism of this. You know, maybe I got too much

1374
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,280
Total War in my mind and thinking about those siege devices.

1375
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,400
But yeah, it was it was a choice for sure,

1376
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,440
and definitely something that's different, I guess from from other

1377
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,159
sieges in the past. So I can give them credit

1378
01:02:54,159 --> 01:02:54,719
in that regard.

1379
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,239
Speaker 4: I mean it did work at the end of the day.

1380
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,360
I mean, I do think this battle has been going

1381
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:03,079
on for a long time because it starts l Ron

1382
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:07,159
goes from Linden to cause a doom back to Linden,

1383
01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:12,559
and then Linden prepare their army and then go back

1384
01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:18,840
to Orangeon and then like that alone is like weeks.

1385
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:22,719
I guess maybe a month of time to do all that.

1386
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,920
So like this battle like and that that all that

1387
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,119
happens before they even get through the freaking wall, So

1388
01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:31,159
like this is a long as battle. That's probably why

1389
01:03:31,199 --> 01:03:34,000
Taylor that orc was licking the blood. He's probably fucking

1390
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:36,519
hungry man. He probably hasn't eaten weeks at this point.

1391
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 2: I haven't eaten anything but maggotty bread for three stinkingdos.

1392
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 5: The uh You mentioned the Total War there, Kirkland. Was

1393
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:50,480
it Total Wars?

1394
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 2: What you said? That is what I said, yes, excited.

1395
01:03:54,199 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned that as a video game, and this

1396
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,519
episode definitely had certain moments like with the the whole

1397
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:04,079
war sequence and Dylan you said the different different stages

1398
01:04:04,119 --> 01:04:06,599
of how things were unfolding with this. With this battle,

1399
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,079
I really liked when that troll strolls out because it

1400
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:11,519
felt like you, you know, you sent in like you're

1401
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:14,280
doing the siege and you're in this RTS game and

1402
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,280
you hit that super unit and you can just deploy

1403
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:17,519
the super unit kind of thing.

1404
01:04:17,519 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 5: And I really like that. That was pretty cool.

1405
01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 3: There you go. There's another thing we're doing fresh life.

1406
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,760
We're busting out the three sixteen playing Battfield formiliar.

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Speaker 4: That's like when you get one of those what do

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they call them, like the commander units. Yeah, the troll

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comes out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one of them is like the I think in

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I don't know what their class fight as, but the

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Nausicle of the Dragon. It's like one of those like

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units in the battle mill rephere. It's like that's like

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the top one the Witch King.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that was the deal. I thought it was

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like the I think.

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Speaker 3: Had the it was like a game of the year whatever. Yeah,

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I have.

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Speaker 2: It such a great game.

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Speaker 3: I don't have much to add on Dura and the Dwarves, like,

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I think there's more of that next week. I thought

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I liked speech. Yeah, I like during speech, well acted,

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that's Sharlot Dad's thing.

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Speaker 2: But those about it, so I uh, I mean we

1425
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:10,159
kinda kinda picked apart their strategy last week, Desa and

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Durham of just waiting waiting for them to come back

1427
01:05:14,119 --> 01:05:15,920
and you know, summon some more bats on them. And

1428
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,159
when they were like just standing there ready with the

1429
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,679
like with the pikes or sorry, the like the pick

1430
01:05:21,719 --> 01:05:24,719
axes and just ready to defend these these mythral veins,

1431
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,559
I'm just like, man, are we really just double downing

1432
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:29,800
on this strategy? Like this makes no fucking sense to me?

1433
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,320
And then I was I was actually kind of relieved

1434
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:36,400
that the Dwarves actually were just like they're going on

1435
01:05:37,199 --> 01:05:39,440
the fact that Duran's just kind of losing it and

1436
01:05:39,559 --> 01:05:41,480
like they're losing faith in their rulers. So I like

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01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:44,360
that just so much more than Desa just starts fucking

1438
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,480
screaming at them again. And I don't know, it's just

1439
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:49,519
like a battle between these two holding out against the

1440
01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:52,920
entire Dwarf in Kingdom of Causa Doom. So I was

1441
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:56,760
worried at the start, but uh, yeah, it I don't know.

1442
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,960
I I think that I think it also just shows

1443
01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:02,360
like the resiliency of the Dwarf and people, how like

1444
01:06:02,519 --> 01:06:06,679
although the ruler is getting somewhat corrupted, well straight up

1445
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:09,719
corrupted by this ring of power and just total greed,

1446
01:06:10,159 --> 01:06:12,760
like there is like they're not just blindly following him,

1447
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,199
like they are able to kind of freethink on their

1448
01:06:15,239 --> 01:06:17,440
own even though they are still so loyal, and that's

1449
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,480
why it makes it so challenging of them being in

1450
01:06:19,519 --> 01:06:22,360
the situation. And I think if you don't have another

1451
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:25,039
dern like someone to kind of lead the charge, maybe

1452
01:06:25,079 --> 01:06:26,519
they wouldn't have fully been there.

1453
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:28,119
Speaker 5: But I don't know.

1454
01:06:28,159 --> 01:06:31,039
Speaker 2: I was just really interested in seeing how the downfall

1455
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:35,320
of the Dwarfs was gonna go approaching this season. But

1456
01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:37,880
I like how it's going so far, and yeah, I

1457
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,039
am very much looking forward to next week. And this

1458
01:06:40,159 --> 01:06:42,960
episode just kind of made me like think back of

1459
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:45,679
like the whole Bellrog like reveal of season one. It's

1460
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,880
like these fuckers like they just brought that up to

1461
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,239
just like get some like talk and excitement going and

1462
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,880
like just been completely absent since well, I guess we

1463
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,119
saw it one other time right through like another quick

1464
01:06:57,199 --> 01:06:59,320
image of them thinking about something that's down or no

1465
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,800
it was anatar that did that. Yeah, fire, But like,

1466
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,840
like do you guys think like like next season are

1467
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,480
we gonna get the like, like when are we gonna

1468
01:07:08,519 --> 01:07:10,360
see this bell Rog thing? I imagine they are going

1469
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,280
to eventually tackle that because we have been exposed to it,

1470
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,280
but it just seemed like from season one it's like,

1471
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,480
oh man, season two, we're gonna be seeing this bell

1472
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:20,159
rog and then it's just been completely absent. I definitely

1473
01:07:20,199 --> 01:07:21,960
do not think we're getting it at all this season,

1474
01:07:22,679 --> 01:07:24,719
even you know, at the end of next like maybe

1475
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,400
like end credit like sort of that, and.

1476
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 3: That's what I think we're getting. I think we'll see

1477
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,159
it again. I think they're gonna they're treating it like

1478
01:07:30,239 --> 01:07:32,639
the White Walkers in Game of Thrones. How for a

1479
01:07:32,719 --> 01:07:34,760
while every season that was like the last one of

1480
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,280
the last things he saw in the finale was Oh,

1481
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:37,559
they're still coming, They're still.

1482
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 2: There, or then when we get it, it's extremely disappointing,

1483
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:40,679
and it's like, yeah.

1484
01:07:40,719 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 3: I'm hoping it won't be that case, but I think

1485
01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:45,800
you'll see it maybe, uh whole more time this season.

1486
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree with that. Sounds a good theory

1487
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:55,199
to me. Random thing in orangeon there's just a dog

1488
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:56,320
hanging out at one point.

1489
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:56,719
Speaker 7: Is this that?

1490
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 2: Like?

1491
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 4: Am I forgetting or has there ever been a dog

1492
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:00,639
in Lord of the Rings?

1493
01:08:00,719 --> 01:08:02,639
Speaker 3: There has been in this show, because I think it

1494
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,679
was brought up at one point of like, oh, there's

1495
01:08:04,679 --> 01:08:07,119
a dog, And technically there is a dog in Lord

1496
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:10,159
of the Rings Fellowship that they bark at the naschool

1497
01:08:10,679 --> 01:08:15,360
when it's like, yeah, they're back in the back end,

1498
01:08:15,679 --> 01:08:19,239
that way, get away from it. Yeah there's there's dogs.

1499
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:21,199
Speaker 4: There's dogs, but there's not a lot of them. They're

1500
01:08:21,239 --> 01:08:24,000
not as widespread as as a today.

1501
01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:28,319
Speaker 3: Earth is either a rare breed or a new breed, right,

1502
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:30,000
because maybe there's a few of them, but they're gonna

1503
01:08:30,039 --> 01:08:30,680
start more and more.

1504
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,560
Speaker 5: Like the Eles, they're very rare.

1505
01:08:33,159 --> 01:08:34,279
Speaker 3: Always show up, they come and.

1506
01:08:37,039 --> 01:08:41,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good memory, but that it's funny

1507
01:08:41,079 --> 01:08:44,039
how that still was a surprising thing to me to see.

1508
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:48,279
Speaker 2: Have seen cats is the feline creatures made in appearance.

1509
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:49,560
Speaker 4: I don't think so yet.

1510
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 3: They're gonna spawn for more a cat.

1511
01:08:52,119 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 4: He's a dog person, not a capect.

1512
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,079
Speaker 1: That I I really I would love to see a

1513
01:08:57,159 --> 01:09:00,920
project that it just really Dwells dells. Dwells delves into

1514
01:09:01,239 --> 01:09:04,800
more of more goth Melchorse kind of story that might

1515
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,359
be supera the pre prequel. I always love though, when

1516
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,960
he gets name dropped and so in here we got

1517
01:09:11,079 --> 01:09:13,560
him name dropped, and I like that dialogue with kind

1518
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,079
of backtracking a little bit, But I like that dialogue

1519
01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:17,079
with Calibre and Anatar when Anatar.

1520
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 5: Is like like I hate treating you like this. He's

1521
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,960
like like, what, like how more Goth treated me? And

1522
01:09:22,079 --> 01:09:25,119
I've to god, that was really really cool.

1523
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,600
Speaker 1: But just the name drop of more Goth was really awesome.

1524
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:28,800
And I was trying to think of my head, like, man,

1525
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,880
did they ever name drop more Goth than the Lord

1526
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:31,359
of the Rings?

1527
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 5: And they they they did. There was there.

1528
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:38,399
Speaker 1: I'll give you one hit at Aragon was singing, was

1529
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,600
singing about the Fellowship, But do you know the character

1530
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,560
that actually says more Goth?

1531
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,359
Speaker 3: I'm asking, I'm fucking, I want to know.

1532
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:52,039
Speaker 1: I don't know, like Legolas name drops him like bal.

1533
01:09:54,079 --> 01:09:58,239
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, yeah, okay, nice one. Back to Fellowship, all

1534
01:09:58,239 --> 01:10:00,920
the stuff we don't know. Fellowship best Loither Rings movie.

1535
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:02,279
Speaker 4: It's a good movie.

1536
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 3: I got nothing else.

1537
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 2: Balloons, prettymature balloons. The there's the sequence when l Run's

1538
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,079
in the field, he's seeing the light coming up and

1539
01:10:14,119 --> 01:10:16,119
it's very much just like a two tower sequence.

1540
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:19,560
Speaker 6: When he look to the north, it's the Dwarves and

1541
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:23,600
it's like it's just insane. Like I told you, guys,

1542
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:26,319
I told you guys, my friends would come and that it's.

1543
01:10:26,279 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 2: Just not the dwarves and just just.

1544
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 4: As dead as you could possibly over his back.

1545
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,239
Speaker 2: They closed the no, you wouldn't do that, as he's

1546
01:10:37,279 --> 01:10:39,600
got like fucking arrows in his back. I felt pretty

1547
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:40,800
bad they did.

1548
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 4: That's pretty cringe moment for Elron of like all my

1549
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,760
friends are coming, guys, and then no friends.

1550
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 2: It's just like, I don't know for how epic that

1551
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,000
moment is in Two Towers of like look to the south,

1552
01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:56,119
It's it's kind of and then it's just like you

1553
01:10:56,199 --> 01:10:59,039
get that score comes in. You just see like an

1554
01:10:59,039 --> 01:11:01,079
Ian McKellen on that horse, that.

1555
01:11:01,239 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 4: C g I horse he's sold on for dear life.

1556
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:10,399
Speaker 2: Carl Urban next to him, like everyone's smiling like we're saved.

1557
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,520
And then this is just like the complete opposite. It

1558
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:14,880
was just it was just great. I don't know, I

1559
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:17,960
chuckled it not didn't laugh as hard as the Modernia

1560
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:26,199
Molina whatever. Yeah, and that's all my notes. So yeah,

1561
01:11:27,319 --> 01:11:30,159
it was kind of nice to not see on Bombadil

1562
01:11:30,199 --> 01:11:34,520
this week or any stores or alfas.

1563
01:11:34,359 --> 01:11:37,199
Speaker 5: You know, the finale is just gonna be all about

1564
01:11:37,279 --> 01:11:39,079
the harpwts. Just fighting.

1565
01:11:41,359 --> 01:11:43,319
Speaker 3: Is gonna go kiss Gladral as well to just.

1566
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 4: Yeah. It was a long, longer episode and then pretty

1567
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:52,359
much all spent on one to two character storylines. So

1568
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,520
it's good. It's focused.

1569
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,560
Speaker 2: Crazy mention of the whole show is like that what

1570
01:11:58,680 --> 01:11:59,119
could have been?

1571
01:11:59,159 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 3: I don't know if you need the whole She'll maybe

1572
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:01,199
more episodes like this.

1573
01:12:01,279 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 4: I think that a few characters make it more focused,

1574
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:09,079
come down focus, brilliant.

1575
01:12:09,399 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 5: Well that does it. We'll be back next Thursday.

1576
01:12:14,199 --> 01:12:17,039
Speaker 1: For the finale of Rings of Power season two. I

1577
01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:21,000
personally cannot wait to get back in the Middle Earth.

1578
01:12:21,079 --> 01:12:25,039
Speaker 4: I can wait. Dravis, I don't think you said penultimate

1579
01:12:25,079 --> 01:12:26,319
at all today, which I'm.

1580
01:12:26,319 --> 01:12:28,520
Speaker 3: He took it from me, but I'm I'm excited that

1581
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,479
we had a good discussion on this penultimate episode.

1582
01:12:34,039 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we will be back. We'll see you in

1583
01:12:37,239 --> 01:12:39,399
the search the search bar

1584
01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:47,159
Speaker 4: Why is it just in the most random