Speaker 1: Hello ladies, Welcome back to another episode of geek Verse podcast.
I am the bar mirrored Taylor Field that I am
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Speaker 2: I have the tears, I cry with a love in
there in the midst of some reason.
Speaker 3: That's the third time this week I will say we
say if we are monetized on the you use it
on Joker, and you used it on Agatha No strike
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Speaker 4: I am mister mouse still less.
Speaker 3: I'm the clown Prince of Deceiving dress Nel.
Speaker 1: Yes, we are here for episode seven, as Travis would say,
the penultimate episode of Rings of Power season two. We're
gonna be getting into the non spoilers first, then jump
into spoilers after that, but before where we get into
all of that wonderful stuff.
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Speaker 4: He told me he was just waiting for the this
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Speaker 3: Is never late precisely what I mean?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: So what have we got popping off? Your Joker Felia?
Next week we did a Joker retrospective. We've got Agatha
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be popping off on the So there's lots and lots
of content.
Speaker 5: Side Quest still on what's going on there?
Speaker 4: M side quest. We had a nice discussion this week,
Me and Kirkland talked about Plucky Squire, UFO fifty, a
bunch of other games, and next week, Taylor we got
some juicy news.
Speaker 3: I may have excited to hear Taylor's thoughts on yeah,
some stuff, and.
Speaker 4: I might have impulse bought the news.
Speaker 5: Elda.
Speaker 4: So we'll also be talking about that, so it's gonna
be episode as well, So good time to check that out.
Impulse Impulsive, Impulse was slightly impulse. I had I had
a voucher on my on my switch. I was like,
I paid for this month ago. This is a free game.
I might as well pick it up.
Speaker 5: Oh, there we go. Vouchers are good stuff. I think
that's pretty much everything.
Speaker 1: I got plugs wise, unless I'm missing something. I mean,
we got extra Live Charity that's sneaking around in this November.
Speaker 3: But I just started promoting that. Let me get that
date out there. Because we do twenty four hours. We
haven't announced too much stuff. We're still talking because we've
all been very busy this year. So this year it's
gonna be a very uh bag them and tag them
sort of event. But it's gonna be November second, twenty
round Beggins and Daggons, it's gonna be November second. All
we know is we know the trivia will be back.
We know that Dylan Kirk when are playing chess. We
know that we're gonna do an X men well just
a Marvel arcade level. It's our arcade hour because just
one of them. Yeah, yeah it. No one of us
is gonna buy the Marvel Arcade game, but yeah we're
gonna play that. So you got three inches general gaming.
Of course, guests are coming around, but yeah, I mad.
I don't even know what our goal will be. I
think usually we just said twenty five hundred probably be
around there. So yeah, everything you donate goes to the
children and is tax deductible, So yeah, do that. We will.
I'll actually probably make that my goals long weekend so
I will have more information for everyone. So thank you
tar for reminding me about twenty four hours November second.
Speaker 5: Be there for the kids, be there for the kids.
Speaker 1: Well you know what we're also going to be there for.
We're gonna be there for the citizens of Middle Earth.
Because let's get into who wants to take away the
non spoilers thoughts right now?
Speaker 5: Episode seven.
Speaker 4: I will take that torch.
Speaker 2: And I will hold it. Take it.
Speaker 4: I feel like I don't have much to say on
this episode. I mean it is. It is a very
simple episode when you look at it in terms of
the show usually has a million storylines. This one was
fairly focused. Now, a lot did happen in there, but
I thought this episode was okay. I think that there
was some good fun like battle sequences and some interesting things,
but then I think just the classics of a some
subbar acting at moments or some weird writing. There's a
couple of moments in general I was like, whoa where
did that come from? I didn't feel like that was
set up very well, and that happened on a couple occasions.
So yeah, I don't know. I'm excited to talk to
you guys about this. Definitely have some questions. Definitely a
lot that goes on. And man, one moment that just
had me laughing maniacally on my sofa watching this. It
was fucking hilarious. So I can't wait to talk of
that moment too. So it was a fun episode. I
just don't think it was an all time great Lord
of the Rings hour, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I'll take the sword for next because I'm the exact opposite.
I think this is my third episode of the entire series.
I love this episode. I don't think Dylan's wrong that
there are some questionable things in this episode, but I
thought the pacing was really good. Loved everything we'll get into,
but I loved everything with anatarsaar On, Calibri and Boord
like ap to Me finally paid off in a way
that I was hoping for. It was a bumpy road, nonetheless,
but I'm liking where we're landing. I thought, for the
most part, the battle stuff was really good. Particularly there's
a part of the third act that's really good. What
else was there that I really enjoyed? I'm liking. That's
probably too much of a spot say, so I'll hold that,
But no, I really enjoyed this episode. Like I said,
there are some questionable things. I don't think I've ever
gone to Rings of Power episode that's like a ten
out of ten, like by itself, so that's what I
had curated as. But no, I absolutely loved this episode
for the most part. That they delivered on the big
battle more so than last season. I think they gave
some big moments and I'm very excited to see where
we go next week. And as far as the bad Calm,
it also rivals Act Like for having the worst credit
song of the year, so I will give it.
Speaker 5: To third.
Speaker 3: It's it's just a song. It ends and it's full
on scream. Oh heavy man, I'm like, this is I
hate to be that guy, not Laura the Rings, not
my Lord of the Rings. I get it. Star Wars
did the same thing, Dylan, you were around. They did
a pop song in the act like credits for one
the episodes is a full on original pop song and
same things like nope, that's that's not Star Wars and
that for me is not lower Ring. So for someone
that was loving the episode, like oh when end like
that just left a bad taste some I muted it
should have. It should have especially where they end, those
tears should have cried, but no, we got the tears
will cry. So yes, But overall I had a good time.
Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, I I really did enjoy this episode
for the vast majority of it. I think there is
one unspeakable horror that happens in this episode, and man,
I'm right there with you, Dylan. On like the humor scene,
I'm curious if it's the same one I'm thinking of,
because I, like, I actually burst out laughing. I was
so shocked when it happened, and I don't yeah, I man,
I laughed so hard, like especially with how fast it happened.
It just it felt like like a like a comedy
skit with with just how quickly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to rewind because Emma's watching me. I
couldn't believe what happened, Like, yeah, and then I'll talk
about spoilers because I thought something else that happened at first.
But yeah, it's quite a moment.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna beat around the bush here. I I heard
like like a somewhat rumor of like a theory of
someone had on what this individual was, and I like it.
Just I was so worried we're going to go that route,
and then I felt like in that moment it was
like Okay, nice, then we're not going there. So but yeah,
that was that was hilarious. But for the most part, like, yeah,
I think this is a really really good episode. I
I'm completely in agreeance with Travis on the Kelibrin Boor
anatar stuff, Like I thought that was just so fantastic.
And I've kind of been like back and forth with
Kelbrin Boor I think since his inclusion, and this episode
I think was my favorite one that he was a
part of. So yeah, for the most part, I think
this was fantastic. I just visually beautiful, definitely, Yeah, definitely
was good eye candy to watch this week and yeah,
it's gonna be an interesting finale. Yeah, I think that's
all I'm gonna say right now. I'll save it for
the spoilers.
Speaker 1: I love this episode, my goodness, and I was. I
feel like the past few episodes have really just been
sealing a deal for me, and this one just man,
it was just lock Stock and Barrel.
Speaker 5: I loved it, and so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the show is starting to really really feel
like Lord of the Rings to me now, and I'm
really happy about that. And of course, like the first
season that was just new stories and whatnot, but at
the start of this season was again continuing those stories
and lots of different trajectories and some stuff that I
don't really care about at this point, but getting to
really be in this focused narrative now with some stories
kind of converging and we're much further ahead and development
with our characters.
Speaker 2: I really like that.
Speaker 1: And with how concentrated on the narrative this episode was,
it didn't feel like we were tackling a bunch of
different things. It was just precise to the point and
just this is what we're dealing with. And I really
really liked that. It was great and it just felt
like Middle Earth. There's a few things that I will
bring up in spoilers that just kind of pulled me
out of it, just the way certain elves were. And
maybe I only say that just because of comparison to
the actual Lord of the Rings movies, where those elves
feel very different in comparison to what these elves act like.
Different I know, different universe, totally different universe, but I
just those elves and Lord of the Rings just set
the bar so high and just our manner is the
way their actions are, and just seeing certain elves here,
they're just uh, yeah, it's just different.
Speaker 5: But that's okay.
Speaker 1: It's a different interpretation, and I understand that different universes,
you say, Travis, So there's that. But all in all,
I think that the stuff with Keller Brimboor and more
kind of stuff coming out of just soun as a
character at Aatar really really awesome.
Speaker 5: I really really liking it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm just I too laughed at a few
different things, mostly just the Kelli Brimboor stuff. He just
I feel like I should pity him, but I just
he just cracks me up because there's just shit going
on with him and fucking laugh about it.
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, there's there's.
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure I know what you guys are alluding to.
Speaker 1: But there's another scene that just fucking cracks me up
because it happened twice and it just thought, Man, this
fucking guy. So I'll bring that up in spoilers when
we get to it. Yeah, I made I made a
few like notes on just the episode, a few things
and some more orc stuff too that would bring up
because I thought, man, this is just fucked and it
just kind of goes back to just the a few
episodes ago when they're like they're family orcs and stuff
like that.
Speaker 3: So this is just that I was back.
Speaker 5: He's back, He's always back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I'll leave it at that, and we'll get
into some spoilers after this quick ad break.
Speaker 5: And we are back.
Speaker 1: So who wants to steer us down the spoiler narrative here?
What do you what do you want to start with?
Speaker 3: Lots of avenues, lots of roads to take lots of
I'll start us off. Do we think Ronde is for
sure dead?
Speaker 2: Aronde Rendez whatever, his name is.
Speaker 3: Little Woodland, that's his brother.
Speaker 4: H Yeah, if you took Ariana Grande's name and just
pushed it to there.
Speaker 3: Related.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say, yeah, he's definitely not dead. It's just
a little too easy, little little too quick of.
Speaker 4: Us ending off stabbed like twice body, right that you
stabbed as well, Arrow, Yeah, but I think Atar got
him with like a couple of blades.
Speaker 3: Right. So here's the thing. I know. Last week Taylor asked, like, okay,
if I because I said, kill some characters, and he said,
who would you kill off? And I listed him as
one of the ones that should go right now. I
was completely fine if it was. If he's dead, I
think it's really lame. I would have been fine if
he like took out at our with him, because it's like, okay,
that's kind of a story, right, he has to love
his life. She dies, he does die as well, but
he kills him, that's fine. If aar just kills him,
leaves him lane in the millfield, what a bitch character overall, Like,
if this is the end of that character, I feel
like kind of a waste. I feel like we did
nothing with him, some kind of for some reason hoping
he's alive, because I got like a little excited by
the war's happening, and you see him perched up and
he's looking and he's with Glad real it's like, well, we
talked about, like, oh, start putting some of these storylines together,
so it's like, Okay, maybe I'll like him with the crew.
And then it's like, oh, they killed him. I don't
think he's dead because he still is trying to reach
for at Oar at the end, I think you would
have a bigger sea. But that's what I'll say. If
he is dead, what a just a bitch character in
Rings the Power and man, what a waste of time.
So we'll see. But I think next week they'll find
him in the rubble and he'll oh, oh is that
are you know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he'll definitely be surviving through this. And
I thought that moment would have really worked, and it
seems like they wanted to save some of that for
the finale, but like, man, we have potentially so too much.
I will say, yeah to cover in the finale here,
but I have that moment of them killing each other
could have been a pretty fitting end to both of
their stories.
Speaker 2: But it is.
Speaker 4: It is a bit weird. Like I guess at our
he is the leader, he should be badass, but we
don't really see him doing a lot of physically badass things.
It's more he's the leader, and I guess he killed
t saar On once or like, yeah, Pseudo killed him
with the crown, so that was kind of badass. But
for the most part, we like Arandier. Everything he does.
This guy is like max level. He's got the best gear,
He's like, he's the legal list. Yeah, he is insane,
acrobatics is maxed out marksman, all this stuff, and so
it does feel like, okay, that like maybe we could
see it, just like, okay, his rage blinded him from
like fighting at his best ability. But it seemed like
I almost had a Roundier. It seemed like at our
almost took out a Rondeer in like a bit too
easy of a way. And it's funny the moment earlier
when he saves or helps save Gladio from the camp
because she, you know, picks the lock and all that.
But then he snipes some orcs. It was like such
a movie thing where I was like, oh, you have
the perfect shot the guy you want to kill, and
like classic movie, you're never gonna do it, and and
then he was like he took the bow out, he
was about to snipe him, Like damn, He's actually gonna
do it. That's so cool. I feel like that's very
against how these things normally go. The trope and then
she convinces him not to do it. This is not
at Our's day to die whatever she says there, But
he should have done it because look at this when
he gets towed to toe of him, he fucked up.
He had the clearest headshot, Like, if I'm playing sniper lead,
that is the easiest kill ever. And he just totally
dropped the ball for not much of a reason in
my opinion.
Speaker 3: Because it didn't glad her just say like a lot
of good like again if he does, and she's like
all the good l's have died today, it's like he
still went to die, you know. It's just that's like
he can't be of dead. There's no way he's dead.
He has to be kicking. And I kind of hope
he is the one to kill ad Our because I
just don't know what else I wanted to do. Glad Real,
I feel like she can't kill Sarn unfortunately, but I
feel like she has to like maybe defeat him in
a battle when the show ends or something. I don't know,
she's still trying to avenge your brother's death, remember, so.
Speaker 4: It feels like she's too good to kill ad Ar,
like with her weird moral standings. But I feel like
you're on dear. He would he's lost too many people
to him specifically that he would do it.
Speaker 3: And I think with the keep doing this, I think
with Gladyl and ad Our, like she sees some of
herself in him for some reason of like kind of
cast out by his own people, and he was in
elf right, Like there's just moments when he was talking
to hisself, she was watching him like not respectfully, but
just kind of understanding, not like, oh, disgusting person. Even
though at Ur in this episode was becoming much more
like the Sar on Everyone Hate because like Taylor looted
that ork was back and he because the troll came
in and he's like, oh, he's gonna kill some of
our Orcs, and Adar just just send him anyways. And
then later on skip ten minutes when he sent himself
and all the orcs that one work like slink back
and he's like, I'm not gonna do it. So there
they're still giving this orc screen time. I hope next
year that doesn't happen. But uh uh yeah, at Our
slowly becoming with Tsarna, So I wonder if that's gonna
be how Sarn gets all his orcs back. Is they
start to think like, oh, ad Our was better, but
he actually isn't. He's just kind of the same, you know.
Speaker 2: I feel like I was. I don't know, I was
never the biggest fan of Adar. I feel like maybe
my interest in him peaked like in his first inception
into the show overall, just because it's a very different
type of character than I've witnessed before in the Lord
of the Rings mythos. But just watching this episode and
thinking about like the previous ones, I'm just like, this
guy's such a fucking idiot man, like like really like
he like his plan is to just burn down a
reg Yon because he's like, Soaron's in there. Saron's in there,
even though it's like I don't know from Gladiel's perspective,
it's just like so obvious that like once Saron doesn't
even have an army, So if at Our just doesn't
go there, like they can actually like figure out the
Souron threat, like the Elves like why they my gosh,
weird ways say that the Elves can just handle like
the Souron threat, give them more time to actually just
get there, and because like if you take out at
ours folk, I'll just call them now the invasion that
they're doing, like Gladil and like Elron, like they would
have eventually got there and the city would not have
been burnt like it. I don't know, it's just he's
so set on like, yeah, like my main.
Speaker 7: Threat isn't isn't the Elves, It's sourn And like, I
don't know, just this whole invasion plan to me is
just so weak of like a motivation for it, and
to me, it's just hard to kind of buy it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like especially his whole, his whole like
just mantra around. It is like he just wants peace
for his skin and to get that, they have to
get rid of Souron. And now he's just like throwing
his his like children, you know, under the boot of
his troll that he's bringing here. And it's just like
this episode was really emphasized of like the Orcs are
starting to see kind of at our just really disregard
kind of what his overall just Mantra was of like
I'm like, I'm my main goal is to keep my
children safe. And then this one the orc is like,
you can't bring the troll in. He's gonna kill our own.
It's like send the men to die like like but
it's like just weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like that's where it's like for me. My issues
with the show was at Our and the other orcs.
They said like, oh, I don't really enjoy these characters
having like the the third dimension right of oh there,
they might have some other motivations, but that it's like
that's what they've set at Her to be. But I
felt like he in this episode, fuck that, Like they
just threw out all the character motivation of this character,
and I was very surprised. I was like, okay, and
that's why I's gonna if he would have died. Maybe
he dies next week. Then I guess I kind of
get it because they might play it as a tale
of Okay, he him not respecting his people, cast him
his death. But I still don't think he's gonna die
next week. I actually don't think so. I still think
he's gonna carry on in the next year, so I
or next season so but Yeah, it feels very sudden.
We're just an episode two or go very for the
people for his Orcs. But now he's just like, oh,
sending the pawns or whatever. It's like, oh, okay, so
he's just he's just sar On but lame, you know,
so cool.
Speaker 2: He's got a cool sword though, Yeah, like his sword.
Speaker 3: And like he caught the arrow orund your Shawnee caught it.
That was cool.
Speaker 4: So I'm still adjusting to some of the just changes
to the Orcs here, like when Elron when the whole
sequence comes out, where Elron and in his squad from
Linden are showing up and Adur is there with glad
Drill and they're like, okay, we'll break from this. We'll
meet in my camp. We'll have a conversation. Did the
whole sequence When Elron is leaving and he goes, he
gets settled up on his horse and all the works
are just I kind of standing there. I'm like man
in the Lord of Rings. I'm used to like these Orcs.
They would not give a shit. They would just rip
the guy to shred. So it's interesting to see them
with like I guess they've like devolved over the years
they're transformed. I'm curious to see how that evolves, just
even in this in this television show, like over the
course of these next seasons, if they change more of that,
or if they're just really gonna stick to it, because
I know, obviously there's like thousands of years that passed
between presumably where this show's gonna end and then Lord
of the Rings picks up, so that's time for them
to evolve or change or be from a different source
and all that. But yeah, that that seemed really stood
out to me, just how how chill that was and
how much Adder follows, like you know, the Geneva Convention
pretty much of like the Middle Earthian world.
Speaker 2: It's interesting. Parlay, Yeah, Parlay.
Speaker 3: That's the coolest shot though, when they're in the middle
and like on the left side it's all the l
around the elves, it's very lit and bright, and then
on the right it's like shadowed and dark and it's
like kind of decrepit. I was like, okay, I like
the I.
Speaker 4: Thought the Linden's like it was like almost oversaturated at
little Goofy to me, honestly, that the color grading was
a bit much. But I did like the the yeah comparison,
As you mentioned.
Speaker 1: One of the things here you're talking about the Orcs
that kind of threw me off was, of course we
had them introduce the concept of family orcs, children and
all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: The Orcs didn't want to go.
Speaker 1: Fighting, right And then in this episode, in this episode
you have al Ron's horse gets slain and he just
pans up and you see this orcs slit its throat
and licking his knife. Now I'm thinking, okay, not not
all these orcs are in the same you know, kind
of pedestal here. But I've been so far led to
believe that these orcs are fighting reluctantly. A lot of
them are fleeing because they don't want to fight, and
the ones that are fighting are because they care about
their way of life and care about their families and
their babies and whatnot. And now here you have an
orc who's just, for whatever the fucking reason, is just
licking horse blood off of his knife, what for his kid?
Speaker 3: Like, he's not a family orc, tailor, he's apparently not
a family orc.
Speaker 4: I just I wasn't drying it.
Speaker 1: If I'm just hypothetically, if I'm going if I'm going
to war. Here, I'm fighting. I'm not gonna be like
slaying the enemy's fucking horse and the like in the
blood like ah, like laughing.
Speaker 3: At the same time, there are like even real life, right,
there's soldiers that go to war to fight for their country,
and then their soldiers go to war because they just
want to shoot a fucking gun at people. Right. So
I don't have really an issue with that, because there's
people human races like that that just want to they
just want to be bullies or power dynamics right and
gun toe.
Speaker 1: But then that's where I think they should do a
better job at telling the story.
Speaker 5: I guess.
Speaker 1: I mean that being said, they shouldn't even have the
orcs like that period. I don't like and that just
goes to reaffirm like, yeah, the orcs don't need to
have like the children and the families and all that
kind of stuff, like just keep the orcs as this
as you said, dolln this de evolved kind of race
that's just fucking angry and like jumping around climbing trees
and shit, so on.
Speaker 4: The tree like monkeys.
Speaker 3: The monkey orcs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Neander or Neander or there you go, or
that's a mouthful.
Speaker 3: Let's not say that ever again. I want to talk.
Let's talk about the big moment. I think this is
the big moment, right, because we Dylan was talking about
you know, Aron went to the camp and they did parlay.
So we're in this moment already, right, So we get
to this moment where glad youal, she has a knife
up to her throat, starts to bleed, so they got
a press guns a hard threaten her life. And then
they start talking. And because me and Tarr had talked
about this, because he messaged me, right, what happened because
then our discord of just our GV quads here, I said,
oh this, Kirklea's not gonna like this. So as I'm saying,
Goode was wrong too.
Speaker 4: I thought it was gonna be a bombadill related thing.
But bomb is nowhere to be found.
Speaker 3: Kirklea took a whole bomb dep so instead of this, so, uh,
glad Rond doesn't take at ours you know proposal, gonna
leave where he leaves. He gives a big passionate kiss
to glad Reel. Now Taylor's right that of course he
does give her something to get out of lock whatever.
But for me, I one think you could just kiss
her on the forehead and do the same thing. But
then two, I just think it's the way that it's framed.
It's the same way as I can Rise of Skywalker
when the Railow kiss happened. And then jaj Abrams said, oh,
so it's a kiss of just a kiss of gratitude,
and it's like, well, no, they're using tongue over here
and the same thing here where It's like I didn't
see no tongue, but they shot it in a very
romantic way, and I if that's a route they go,
because I'm not even a what's the guy, Where's what's
who's your boy? Kirk Caliburn. Yeah, I'm not rooting for that.
It's just that like they have to me, like I
felt like I was watching a brother and sister kiss today,
Like they've had no romantic chemistry. They've not set that
up at all. So if they make some sort of
joke nick episode or in the future of like oh,
you know, did you have to do that to give
me the key? And I don't know what he can
even say. It's not creepy, but to me felt like
like to me, it felt maybe the ting the keys
in the mouth maybe and then you know House was
going to kid you great. But the way they shot
that to me, I was like, oh boy, I don't
like this, so that's this is the way and see,
but I'm taking it as they're starting some romantic and
that's a that's a con for me now, I'm because
the canon just because it doesn't set up and I
don't think they've had that type of chemistry. It was
weird to see it. It was very odd.
Speaker 2: I was not expecting it at all, like it it
like totally was like a holy fuck, is this actually
happening right now? Because yeah, like take my own like,
I don't know personal feelings about this this dynamic. It's
just and it wasn't set up at any point. I
don't think, like I'm even trying to think back of
like season one, they just always seemed like more of
a brother sister like friend dynamic for what you laid
out there. And yeah, like I I imagine they're trying
to play it off that like yeah, that was the
distraction for him to give her the key, But I
think the execution was so awful and like, I don't know,
I'm not kissing my sister on the lips under a
key that probably but probably probably that's strange. Just that
much tongue that Elron was shoving in there. I don't know,
that's weird, but yeah it was. It was so weird,
and I'm interested to see what the follow up is
and like just so we're gonna get married now, like
like like like what's gonna happen next time they meet?
It's they just not even gonna talk about it, and
that like makes it more awkward. Strange, strange, strange choice
and out of left field. It felt big time and
glad Reels just's got Halibranch, got l Rone, got Calbourne somewhere, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet they don't even like interact till next
season four. If they interact, no, no, no, if they interact
next episode, it's like very lightly, but I feel like
the people, the writers are gonna read the room and
it's kind of like, I don't know if you guys
remember that season they tried to put Dexter and Debrea
together and everyone fucking hate it.
Speaker 2: That's when I dropped off. I think that's my last
season I was.
Speaker 3: And then the next season they just completely fucking dropped it,
and I was like, oh, that wasn't a thing, and
they just said Ded was going through shit, Like I
think this is even if they say, oh no, like
that was never we're going, I don't believe them. I
think this throughout they're going and they're gonna drop it fast.
I don't see people liking this story at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just super unearned for me. It wasn't
set up very well. And the fact that we spend
most of this season, as we're talked about, I think
the last episode, like glad Girl's been mostly absent this season,
just getting a couple of little random scenes here or there.
It's been what since was it episode three when they
got split up from each other in this season like that,
it's been a while since that. I was like a
month ago the last time that they and you know
in in the universe here, that could be like years long,
like because then once again, the time and teleportation in
this show is just absolutely wild and hard to understand.
But yeah, it was very unearned, and like the fact
that it led into this plot point where he passed
the thing along. Sure, but I feel like they weren't
just doing it for that reason. They're also, yeah, trying
to lay the breadcrumb down for for that to pick up,
and yeah, presumably next season. I think I'll predict season three,
not season four for that to continue. But yeah, like
it feels like they're definitely laying that down for it
to happen in the future, which I don't know. I
guess I don't really have much of an issue with
it if they're going down that path, but it definitely
was surprising here. And it's also I feel like the
Elves as a race are just it's a very sexless race.
I feel like there's not a lot of not a
lot of intimacy going on in.
Speaker 3: The Arwin.
Speaker 4: But that's like with a man.
Speaker 3: So elas if they else stret to a man, it's
it's bang city, But Elves it's more just like a
hand holding situation.
Speaker 2: Some morgies going on in the deep woods.
Speaker 4: We don't I mean, don't even how long their lives
are and how many, Like I don't know how many
kids in average family has, but you know, in this
in this time, they probably can't be just banging all
the time or else they'd be just overpopulated. If they
have ten thousand year lifespans.
Speaker 3: Right, So they're so powerful though there's so many of them.
You know, they're like the.
Speaker 4: Orcs, but then you know resources Middle Earth can only
handle some. Look at Linden at the start of whatever
this season is like Decayne, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's freshly mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think that the kisses, yeah, it was
uncalled for, pulled me out of a little bit, but
I definitely can get on board with the fact that, Okay,
he was doing it as.
Speaker 2: The way you're starting to say that, I think.
Speaker 4: I liked it though.
Speaker 1: I just think that he did it as a means
of just distraction eight hours probably like I was pulled
out of the situation as we were watching it, But
it was just a method of just him trying to
sneak this little lock pick into her hands. I think
it will all depend my reception of this scene, will
all depend how they move forward with them. If they
don't kiss again and have any real kind of like
relationship kind of dynamic, then I feel like, Okay, yeah,
he just did it just to really distract them and
just slide this thing to her. But I will say
the only other time I felt like there was not
sexual tension, but romantic tension between the two of them
was when he was building his little boat and she
walks into the shops.
Speaker 5: Like you I need help. I need you to come
with me. You need to lead the team. Then he's
like no.
Speaker 1: There was a bit of time there that really felt
like they were gonna kiss, but they didn't.
Speaker 5: At least that's to me. That's how I felt with
that scene.
Speaker 3: And that's why I when we I think earlier this
season we talked about, like why are they just so
mad at each other? Was that them trying to be
like it's a lover's quarrels, what sort of thing? And
that's it's like now I think retroactively it was, and
I'm like, oh, like no, like this is not like
it's just it's odd expect she because, like like Jones said,
we just got away from her being like kind of
like they haven't said this, but she's like she had
a breakup with sorrow, like she was. They were falling
for each other right in some sort of way, and
that's how they even say that, oh, you're so weak,
and because she was falling out with this guy but
like to pair up already of like okay, another guy
and then I imagine if this relationship doesn't happen, like yeah,
the actual the husband will come in at some point.
So it's just like I.
Speaker 5: Don't like, I don't rebound.
Speaker 3: He could be the rebound he looked tell me in
Fellowship he's a rebound guy. And don't forget Hobbit. Remember
Gladal it was with Gandalf.
Speaker 2: So it's like this character, I hate all these fucking
pairings that she has, Like it should just be the
one Caliborne matching one Caliborn.
Speaker 3: She had to go and see a lot of people
before she know Calibernborne was the one because.
Speaker 2: They're like comparing, you know, their history of lovers. And
he's like, oh, but he.
Speaker 4: Was a good family man.
Speaker 3: There was anatar, all versions of yeah there's almans are
on anatar all huge, his ears, his hair, his hair
was just throbbed.
Speaker 2: And it's so good then and everything his.
Speaker 3: Oh man hallucinations. Yeah, it was so good when Calibrinbourne
would watch anyways, So all right, No, it was like that,
let's have about calvin Us, like maybe some good stuff
to talk about. Yeah, this this scene absolutely loved. I
love the type of like matrix trick where he's out
on his balcony's drinking away like ah, it's just the
cut to like el like just dying like beneath his feet.
So it's like it's good, like not bad way, it's
good comedically. But that little rat, the rat is what
made him catch on it. I liked it in the
Mouse and I like they said because you sorrow was
so like his mind was split both ways, right of
like Okay, he's with Calibrimbo and he's with the elves.
There he's focusing on the battle. There's other stuff happening
that he like forgot a detail. It feels like very
much an inception. When they throw god Ken wants anomb
me down right, and he's like, oh, you've done this
whole place great except this rug, like this rug is
not here or whatever. It's like, oh shit. And that's
what it felt like. So everything from I actually thought
he's still not always a grace. But I thought this
was calibrin Moore was best acting when he comes out
of it. I loved all the deception. I thought this
was the what's his full real name? The actors, it's Pickett,
It's Pickett Perkins or Picking's something right, remember Anyways, Hal
brand Antar. I thought this was like his best acting
with Charlie's Vickers. Thank you, yeah again, Charlie's Charlie Picken Vickers.
This was like to actually seem intimidating that scene when
the elves have the knives on him. He turns like, uh,
I have more say, but uh, I think great stuff
all wrong overall for a storyline that it's been very
bumpy for me.
Speaker 2: So uh yeah.
Speaker 1: So with calib Brinbore, yeah, I think he was great
in this episode. And again I laugh at many many
times with the scene, Travis. I the first thing I
will say with him, because you brought it up, him
just going in to his tower enjoying his drink and
everything's peachy.
Speaker 5: I just could you.
Speaker 1: Imagine you're screaming down below, you're freaking out. You look
up and the Lord of Origion's just smiling drinking his
drink like.
Speaker 3: Good morning, Louck.
Speaker 4: Look everything that's not real. So he could have been
just drinking Anatar's blood again or something totally Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh So with Calibrinbore, now, this happened twice the first time,
when he had the realization of what was going on,
he walked out and fucking cannonball lands and he just
blows off the staircase jump. Thirty minutes later, when he's
trying to escape with the rings and what happens, Another
cannibal comes and he fucking flies off his staircase like
he just kept getting fucking pelted.
Speaker 3: These l's are durable. Leron took a full punch from
that troll flying, so their backs real sturdy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are absolutely really sturdy. What was the other
thing that I wrote down on him?
Speaker 3: You had to do a saw trap too?
Speaker 5: He had to do a saw trap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he took his whole hand off, but
it was just the finger to uh to get out
of there.
Speaker 3: But I love that he didn't even try, like the
in on the medal first, like it wouldn't have worked,
but like I still would have tried.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: He was gonna.
Speaker 3: Dog glads like that would have totally broken it. Why'd
you cut your thumb off?
Speaker 1: So my only other two notes with Kevin Brimbore, I
just I thought it was really funny when the second
time he flew off his stairs and he wakes up
and the elves are like, oh, he's hurt himself. You know,
let's get him back to his tower by order of
the Lord of Rigion Anatar or whatever. And then it
just Gladio shows up and then there they just change
on a dime, like oh he's got alone, we'll go
with it, like you fucking posers, get out of here.
You guys don't deserve.
Speaker 4: The Ladril has that effect on people.
Speaker 5: That's what I.
Speaker 2: Started kissing all the guys.
Speaker 3: I don't nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2: And I thought that was so strange. Yeah, like how
easily It's like I get it's it's you know, the commander,
it's it's it's glad real. But still it's like, no,
this is the Lord of Aragua. And they're like just
completely like dis discounting, calibrin Boor's claims of or like
even just like anything anything he's saying. They're not believing him.
And then she comes in. It's like, oh okay, yeah,
that's a wrestless guy. And they're never like oh sorry,
you know, or like we were totally misguided, or like
there's no like guilt that's felt by them. They're like, oh, yeah,
we're on this side. Now, we're on this side. They're
just very stupid.
Speaker 3: I I thought, which was kind of strange. I see.
I guess I didn't have a problem with that because
I just felt like what I loved is the moment
where they were going to arrest them, and then I
think Sarron says some sort of line like you're not
the only one I've been talking to or you're not
the one I've been like he pretty much just implies
like his knights are just going around talking to everybody,
and it's like, fuck, that's scary to think that. It's
like if what he's doing at Calbrinborn is what he's doing.
And we saw like a little bit with the lady Elf,
which of course we'll talk about, but like, if he's
doing that with everybody of every night, you're just spend
half an hour sorrow while he just whispers sweet nothing near.
That's just like, that's scary. And I think that showed
when that moment we will get to it now and
the lady, you know, gets gets pushed, but he says like,
look at his blood, that sorrow on is black and
he puts his hand up and it's blood. That's where
I actually was with the towns people, because at this
point it's it's like this guy has done nothing. He's
given terrible orders that Anatar was skewing right, and then
now he's just in the middle of imagine that in
the middle of war. He's just like that's sorrow and
to them it's just like a regular elf. You'd be like, dude,
this guy's fucking lost it, Like we can't follow this
guy at all. And then, like I said, just Sarron
saying like, yeah, I'm kind of fucking with everybody right now.
That's why I kind of believe maybe it's a little
rush with Glad real agree with you guys, but that's
why I kind of believe that, oh his his hooks
are in this city way more than we even got
to see, and that I enjoyed.
Speaker 2: So I think it just had issues with the fact that,
like I get it if he is able to basically
just like convince everyone that he's kind of sorry, Anatar
is convincing everyone that Kelibrimble is kind of going crazy,
but like nobody's really seen Kelibrimbore in any of these moments,
so like this is the first time that they're really
seeing him, and they're like not even really giving him
a shot or like listening to anything he has to say.
I just thought that seems strange because no one had
even really seen Kellibrimbore. So the fact that he's like
out here and just like totally he looks like he's
been tortured for like a very and like just gone
through the ringer, and like he does sound a little
crazy with the first things that he is saying. But
I just thought it was strange that the elves like
they weren't even listening to anything he had to say.
It's just like, oh no, you're you're evil, and we're
not listening to you. And it just seems like the
strategy that they're falling from anatar it didn't really make
the most sense too of like what they like he's
like telling them to like reinforce the gates and like
reinforce the walls because like they're coming to destroy the wall.
They're like, we're not gonna listen to you, Like no,
that that doesn't make sense, Like we're gonna listen to
this guy that's telling us to not defend the walls
at all. Like it just they just felt like peons
that have no brains and they're just following blind orders
because this is the person that's now like the leader
of a raygun. So it just to me it made
the Elves seem a lot dumber. You can make the
argument that it is just because, as you said, Travis,
like Anatar just has his his hooks on the whole town,
and I like, I don't know, I think through some discussion,
I could definitely agree with that, But I just think
for what was shown, I maybe wanted more like actually
shown there because we just kind of see him using
his silver tongue on you know, not in that way,
but his silver tongue words on moderna Meridia whatever her
name is, Randa, uh Miran A lot of m's in there, Miranda,
So like like that I get, But that's also like
one on one so he's able to just like really
use his his charisma, whatever his his influence is on
and then we get to see the one on one
between like him and Calibrinbor. So that makes sense to me.
But it's just like when there's so many moving pieces
and like everyone kind of has to be the same,
I don't know, a linness, like not even one person
is questioning it. It was just a bit of a
stretch for me. So yeah, I had some issues with that.
Overall scene. I already mentioned yea when Gladial shows up,
but just just I don't know, it seemed a little
bit messy er than it had been in the past,
and I think it is just due to like the
one on one sessions that he had in the past.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you made a good point there of
just we really don't like in this season at least,
we haven't had a lot of players in Orangion. It's
really calibrin boor Anatar, Mardonna, and then like this one
elf Guard guy that we've seen a few times now,
but like I would never tell you his name, and
he has a like a very one note personality and
he's kind of like the leader of the guards, I guess.
So that's just who we can when we need that
kind of character to pop up, he can be that guy.
And so I think it's especially disappointing with Moredonia's fate here.
We're just like, man, that was such a nothing character.
And I really feel like there was moments like or
mostly in the first half of the season where it's like, Oh,
this is cool, this is something different. I like this character,
and then I just I feel like she kind of
just became obviously she was falling for anatom and whatnot,
but then she kind of ceased to have any personality
outside that. And I can get it to an extent
where you know, if seeing what he's done to calibrin Bore,
what is he doing to other weaker minds as well?
And the fact that like he's probably been there for
years at this point, I assume or months at least,
Like it makes sense that he'd have this kind of
sway over these people at this point, but it does
make it hard to like buy into a lot of
these moments, and like certain shifts feel very quick and
out of nowhere. So yeah, I just felt like some
of that stuff was I I really I love the
moment when he snaps out of the thing and the
fact that he caught onto this little time loop thing
that was occurring was a really cool moment. But I
just feel like after that it was a bit cheesy,
like the acting from pretty much everyone, Like once once
we left that tower, I just felt like it was
a little like the execution wasn't as on point, unfortunately,
But my god, when Mardonia when commands calibern Boor to
smack Mardonia off the Wall. It was so quick and yeah,
I just I just couldn't stop laughing. I'm sorry, Mardonia,
but it's just to me, it was like, man, we
spent so much time with this character for her to
just die and like some random character like the elf
who you know, dies with like a thousand arrows in
her like bor mirror. In this episode, she gets a
more meaningful emotional death than Mardonia, this character who like
we've spent a lot of time with and should be
more important, but just not the best.
Speaker 3: The first time I saw it, I missed that Sarn
pushed her. So I literally thought that Calvin Borr just
fucking snapped and push her off because I was saying
with them like talker. So that's why I rewinded. I
was like, oh my god, did they just really make
it push her off? And then I was like no,
but I it was kind of done commedically. I liked
the idea of Sarn kind of again framing him even
more so. I did like that. But it was.
Speaker 4: A smoking gun moment right then and there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Odoice. She lands and she's someone alive
and then nope, and Orc comes and beheads or two.
So it's like yeah, yeah, so yeah, which she get.
I'm I'm kind of fine with. I think that character,
I guess served his purpose. Did she need to be there?
I don't know.
Speaker 5: Now it's like what purpose did she serve?
Speaker 4: Though, I guess just named actor. She could have been
like an extra honestly with like what her actual impact
on the season was.
Speaker 3: And I guess the only two things I'd say is
it gave us another character for Sarron to show, Okay,
he's using his powers as with And then it also
showed that when at the beginning, when a lot of
talents people were questioning him of like should we listen
to anataran? No? No, no, like good good, good elf good people.
So he did kind of use her to twist the
arm of the other el folk there. So I'd say
there was something. I just maybe wish there was a
little more, but I guess maybe not now that we
know the fate of her.
Speaker 4: So I think that's that's a good point that we
probably did need more evidence of that, because other than that,
we would have that moment where he goes to the
minds and they just don't give a shit what he
has to say. He's like Okay, he's yeah, great, here
is like fifty percent. That's not great. So it's good
to have, yeah, more people that we are following and
we can see their kind of journey a little bit
falling in line with him. So good point.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The the rumors that I was seeing some people
talking about with this character was that she was supposed
to be like Calibrion or like just a different name
I guess for Klibrion, which is Galadriel's daughter who Elron
eventually marries. And uh, I know that. That's why I
was like, like when I was seeing those like rumors
and then like they're doing the comparison with the hair,
like some people were making those arguments, I'm like, this
is so fucking terrible. I hate this so much. I
hated when hell Brand was like just using his charisma
on glad Eel and now he's like potentially doing on
his daughter, like on her daughter. It's just so strange
to me. So in that moment, it just like the
way that that Kelibrin Boorge is like backhanded her off
the wall, just backhanded that theory out of this show.
So I was so happy with that, and yeah, I
don't I don't know for what's been going on in
the show so far. I don't think I ever want
to see Calibrion in this show. I just don't think
I could. I don't trust them to do that. She's
com at tail properly, and I don't know. I think
there's a there's a version of the show that maybe
that can make sense, and we have Kliborne from season one,
but uh, I think if they should.
Speaker 3: Do the love angle with glad gl and Lron, I
definitely don't want that because that's just fucking gross. Sen.
It's like, I know things didn't work out between us,
but you should really see my daughter, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, yeah, not great.
Speaker 1: The uh again, what you talked about Kirklen, the the
mannerisms and the certain things that these elves were doing.
I feel like these elves were just very human man
like I guess since their responses to certain situations, especially.
Speaker 5: Like a lot of the Archers on the Wall.
Speaker 1: And that's where that I was leading to the non spoilers,
just the fact that I'm making these comparisons, and I
don't mean to. It's just we have we have Middle
Earth represented in two different avenues here with the Rings
of Power and then the Lord of the Rings trilogy,
and so when you look at the elves from the
Lord of Rings trilogy, I'm gonna go to the scene
here with two towers where the elves are basically on
the wall and just they're stoic, emotionless, just firing like
they are. To me, they're like NPCs with how they
are just so emotionless, and it just, yeah, it feels
more elf like to me like that.
Speaker 2: And then when you.
Speaker 1: See the elves in here like shooting off the walls
and stuff like there, these elves are just so emotional
and so it's just maybe overly passionate in their emotions
and it doesn't screen em elf like to me. Even
the way they were charging on their horses, that just
felt like, oh, these guys just look like they're a
bunch of humans like men and women, but mostly just
seeing them.
Speaker 5: Just handle certain situations, it just feels like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even with the Bora mirrored she elf when she
it felt like uh Alron was throwing shade at her
because like, what are we gonna do? And Aaron's like,
you know, like if you were to fire and arrow,
it could turn the tide. I felt like the way
he said, it was like she didn't do ship all
until this point.
Speaker 4: They cut back to him and his two cronies just
like watching her getting pelted on and just like not
helping her.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was weird the I.
Speaker 5: In addition to this, when Aron.
Speaker 1: Appears in caser Doom and is approaching Duran, I really
thought this was sour on and disguise because I did
not see any lead up here to the l and
like the High King like just appearing here, because the
last that they left off was the High King was like,
we're not going to do anything, and then he just
touches his ring and the scene ends. And then so here,
all of a sudden they show anatar leave Keller Brimbo
and the alone in the tower. He goes off, and
then we get a couple of scenes later we see
el Ron just appearing in full armor in casardoom and
he's he's he's not responding exactly spot on to the
way Duran's questions are, Like he turns away from Duran.
He's giving him very mysterious responses, like the kind of
responses you would give to someone if you're like posing
as somebody else. To me, I just thought Okay, this
is sour I'm pretending because he just needs the Dwarves
to come out and fight to delay them the Orcs,
from getting in and disrupting Keleb Brimbo's work.
Speaker 5: Of course, I am totally wrong with all this, but
it's just the way they set it up. It was
very weird.
Speaker 1: And the next scene you see Anatar walk into the
lab with calebrimboor so, it just it felt very suspicious
to me. But sure enough, then we see Aleron actually
there with the army and the High King, and I
just thought they didn't segue this properly because now we
have him set up with the dwarfs now, So I.
Speaker 2: Feel like I would have liked that version more, honestly,
like what you're laying out, I feel like it would
have just it felt like up until this point, Anatar
was like setting up just like an absolute checkmate on Aragon,
like like he is just he's taking over the like
the leader of well, he's all but taking out the
leader of Oregon up until this point, like he is
basically running the show. And then he's also the orchestra,
the orchestra, the orchestrator for getting like the Urux there
to like like everything is just fallen in place. So
if it's also revealed that like he just showed up
there like disguised as someone like that and just like
totally fucking with the Orcs, like that's that's like just
a triple whammy of like an absolute defeat. And I
would have been totally fine if it was just like
an absolutely decisive defeat of Aragon all and like it's
just like a the dour way to like end off
the season, like obviously you know you got some light
of the valor of hope and just like just just
going in that direction going forward in the show. But
that's like an Empire strikes back type like ending of
this season. And I would have loved it because we
knew that the fall of Oragon was coming. It was
in the trailers of the Big Siege. So to have
this almost like a Helm's Deep type ending where it's like, oh, yeah,
we like held off and I don't know, there's the
there's it's not quite overfolly yet, but like I don't know,
I just for what you were pitching their tailor like
with what we got in comparison, I actually think I
would have got liked that a lot more and maybe
that would have trimmed off some fat of dialogue between
some dirty elves, you know.
Speaker 4: And question for you, Taylor with with how you're feeling
about these elves not kind of they're not the elves
that you know in love necessarily they was you're familiar.
Do you feel that way for the Linden elves as
well as they rang you on elves or is it
just kind of one or either of them that are
standing out to you.
Speaker 1: It's a good question, actually, probably just seegan elves feel that.
Speaker 5: I feel that way.
Speaker 1: The Linden ones feel different. They feel more stoic and
even I can't remember the guy's name, but the the
wisest and oldest.
Speaker 5: Of the elves, what was his name.
Speaker 1: He's one of the ring wears Kirkland.
Speaker 2: The shipyard and yeah, so he's been kind of missing
who that is.
Speaker 5: He's the boat maker guy.
Speaker 2: He was the one that was like telling that there's
positive So.
Speaker 5: They're the ring of.
Speaker 3: The most wisest Elvey'll take this ring bitch, and he's
just left.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, don't forget the kiss, Galadri that was the
last piece of tongue.
Speaker 4: Give her a lock pick while you're at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'd definitely say the linden Ones feel much more,
much more stoic and emotionless.
Speaker 2: The linden Ones, So like, let's be honest, come on, Galla.
Speaker 4: The linden Ones do to me, they do feel like
a more familiar type elf. A'm fan of gil Galad,
but you know, they just feel like they're Riven Dell
sort of style, whereas the Ranguan ones. Yeah, I do
feel like that. I don't I maybe it does make
a bit of sense to me why that's happening. Like
even when the Linden and Elves come to the battle,
that feels very reminiscent of the Lord of the Rings movies.
But yeah, with the Ring, like, I feel like that
city is just a city of like craftsmen and artists
and just a chill cultural place mecca where people just
hang out and make cool shit and love each other.
So I don't know, maybe that's just part of it.
Maybe they maybe they just are more emotional be based
on their their culture there is different than the the
other elves who just like you know, praise trees all
day long and stand around in their robes. Like it's
just different, different, strokes, you know, m m.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The only thing I want to say that I forgot
is I like to reveal what the nethro was. We
talked about that a couple of weeks ago. I like, oh,
how it's get this throw And it really was just
like something he cooked up that's not good. So a
plus reveal.
Speaker 2: There A plus. I thought that was so fantastic, especially
just like it's such a great visual for like how
he added his own corruption to these rings and and
it really differentiates them from like the Elve or the
Elf the Elf rings, the Elvin rings or like even
even I guess what was done with the Yeah, and
like I imagine he like he still had some way
to corrupt them, like a little bit, especially with what's
going on with King Duran right now, but like.
Speaker 4: Like a fingernail clipping or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, a couple of hairs maybe like a
little bigger here in the bit, but looks over and
he's just just packing a big movie. But like the
I don't know, it's just like, Okay, this is why
the human ones are just that much more extreme on
the corruption side. I still like the the reasoning that
it is just because the men are the easiest ones
to be corrupted. But this is like yeah, it's like okay,
that is a factor, but this is also just made
from like the blood of the dark one, right yeah, same, yeah,
yeah exactly.
Speaker 4: I had a question about that, which is like what
what is it exactly? Maybe don't have the answer to this,
like what is it that makes these rings powerful? Because
I would have assumed that, like you kind of need
the mytho for these rings to actually have power to
them at all, Like that, like that's part of you know,
you can have these different parts of the recipe, but
if you're missing that core ingredient, then like the whole
thing won't work together and you can't just like in
some recipes you can substitute something for something that's quite similar,
you know, like soy solace or time or something like that.
But in this case, like you can't just put you
can't just take mythrol and put blood in and the
ring still works like it still does something. Or maybe
the rings just don't work at all and all they
do is corrupt these people and don't actually give them power.
I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think like the biggest reason I would give, especially
for like the ones that Sauron was a part of
is that, Like he's an extremely powerful magic like user, right,
and like he is literally putting his own essence into
these rings, so he already has just so much power
in it.
Speaker 4: But it isn't like the calibrin boars, like he's building
these based on his or maybe that's part of it too,
Maybe that's part of the anatar is like swaying how
they're gonna be built. But I just kind of feel like,
isn't it like the great engineer, like the great inventor guy,
he's the one who's like building these rings from the
ground up. He's coming up with the structure for them,
and he's putting them together. So like, I guess i'm
a little I get that angle of the corruption angle
of it, but I feel like, shouldn't they also just
not work because they don't even have the proper ingredients
in them in the first place?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might. Like my quick answer would be, well,
he's also like he can also just make stuff with magic,
so like I feel like he's already doing that even
just like creating a region. Like I'm sure there's some
freaking magic that went on too, going into just everything
that they have been making, whether it's chips or whatnot,
and except yeah, exactly, there's no they ran out of
magic that week for that one section. But I I
feel like Kilibrin Bore he is able to put some
sort of and like magic I'm kind of using as
a loose term there, but it's just like it is
something more than just regular I don't know, iron for example,
I think mithrill is like something that he would have
needed to just have it like a pure catalyst to
like just I don't know, hold on or maybe amplify.
And I'm kind of just spitballing here. I don't know
if this is actually accurate to how they were done,
but I feel like for the for the human ones,
like just the fact that you have souron's of blood
like that that would just make that such a powerful thing,
especially just thinking about the One Ring and how like
that was literally like like he put some blood in
these human rings, but like he has to put a
kidney at least in the in the one ring, like
like that is a good chunk of himself and that's
why when that's why when you know, a cyll door
chops his hand off and he fades into exist since
he doesn't die, because like his is beans ring, it's
like your soul. It's the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I kind of like in this way of
the blood being in these rings for the men because
when they become the Nasugul, it's like they're so tied
tosar On and they are like his disciples. So I
kind of like that it's because there's a part of them.
And for your guys debate, I just go, it's just magic.
That's all this. So for me it's like, why are
they powerful? Because elves they got some magic stuff and
Sorrow's got some magic stuff and they must just put
some of it into a ring and it can work.
But that's all I can think of.
Speaker 5: Before we think of anything else.
Speaker 1: We're going to take another outbreak here, we'll be right back,
and we're back, So what else are we thinking?
Speaker 4: I uh one, Linden thought we were talking about that
army and gil Galad showing up. That was another thing
to me that didn't feel earned. And I feel like
maybe I'm missing the scene or forgetting the scene, but
I just feel like with where I last saw gill Galla.
And don't get me wrong, I don't want more scenes
of this freaking guy, because I don't know like him
that much, but I still feel like I needed another
scene or two of maybe Elron convincing him or explaining
what's going on, or someone else that he maybe trusts more,
because he doesn't seem to give a show what Eleron thinks,
but although maybe he does, because he actually does decide
to send all his homies in to do this fight
at Arangion, So I don't I did feel like something
was maybe missing there for me to fully understand, uh,
their motivation to go team up and do this in
the first place.
Speaker 2: It just seems like you'll gallup just kind of does
what he wants, right, like I, no, I'm not going
to go join the war effort. And then he's like, oh,
I did come anyways, because you know, I said it
was lame at first.
Speaker 1: But he yielded his command to al Rond, right, and
then what does he say? He charges in like a
king is a king is needed.
Speaker 5: For a king? What the fuck did he say?
Speaker 2: Because like hing goes where they're needed most or what
the MoU were you? I fucking laughed so hard when
you try to be like a badass with this one
liner when he goes up for the troll and he says,
go back to your hill and be buried. It's like, okay, guy,
like come on, let someone else do the ship talking.
That was pretty weak. It just seemed like he didn't
do much. Like I know, he like ran around and
did a couple of things with his his little whatever
the fuck that thing a lance, I guess.
Speaker 3: I love when he picked it throwing out and just
swam him like a fucking baseball, like he could do
a bit more damage. I agree with you, but I like,
I think he looked very good effect wise, the wielder.
Speaker 2: Of a ring of power like he should be. He
should be the guy on the battlefield just popping off.
But he's just dropping one liner.
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, you were talking about the troll wielder of
the Ring of Power for a second.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just like.
Speaker 2: The one ring right, it grows for the wear or shrinks.
Speaker 3: So killed Froto and.
Speaker 2: Your whole thing.
Speaker 4: One thing that I always love about, you know, a
great Lord of the Rings battle is just the phases
of it. That's one of my favorite parts is when
the Orcs get these crazy, crazy siege weapons, when they
bring out the big towers, when they bring out the
ladder things, when they bring out the suicide bomber, all
that stuff, and so that's why I really just thought
this episode was fun, even if I had a lot
of issues with the writing and acting in some sequences,
is because the battle was really fun and for the
most part, the CGI looked really great and it had
the phases element to it, like just fuck up the city,
create some chaos, change the weapons to attack, the mountains
to block and I thought that what they were gonna
do is is create the dam and then that would
like flood the city and then that was what they
were doing. But no, they were just blocking the water
so that they could walk up to the gates and
then like all their attempts to get through that wall.
So it was it was fun. I really liked just
kind of the I guess choreography of how that that
fight kind of turned out, and it's funny just like
how Oregan had like no defense is planned at all,
like for their city season. I know Anatar is like
not is telling them not to do the correct things,
but I feel like they should have had a few
more things way and the wings to like help them
defend in the case that they do get attacked, but
once again, maybe that's just because Anatar threw all those
things out the window in the months leaguing up to
this moment. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I like the battle for pretty much the
most part. I had an issue with just the whole
ravager and like siege device, it just seems so inefficient,
Like it seemed like such a such like the least
possible efficient way you could do to like siege this
wall of like you get close to it, you get
these giant fucking pike things. Hopefully the orc with the
hammer doesn't die. If not, you got someone else is
gonna have to pick up that hammer. Started just I
imagine it took a fucking while to get those those
nails into the wall and then they just like pull
back and then and then it takes off a couple
of blocks and they're like, hey, let's do it again.
It seemed like they did that like multiple times. It's
like I feel like a RAM would even be better
at this point, you know, Like I know they don't
have Saramon's fucking big black bombs that he uses in
two towers there, but it just like it it seemed
like like the like the writers were like, hey, let's
make this really like intricate siege device, and it's just
like in reality, it's it just probably wouldn't work that well.
Like what if it's just like we can't pierce the
wall with the with the nails, Like what do they
pivot from that point on? Like it seems like they're
really gung ho on, like this is our one siege plan.
And it ended up working, especially with the help of
the troll, but it just seemed like a really slow way,
uh to take on the wall there. And I don't know,
it's it it it visually looked cool, like like the
actual action was going on, but I was just I
think it's just we just kept going back to the
ravager device, and I was just like the second or
third time I started like really thinking about like the
realism of this. You know, maybe I got too much
Total War in my mind and thinking about those siege devices.
But yeah, it was it was a choice for sure,
and definitely something that's different, I guess from from other
sieges in the past. So I can give them credit
in that regard.
Speaker 4: I mean it did work at the end of the day.
I mean, I do think this battle has been going
on for a long time because it starts l Ron
goes from Linden to cause a doom back to Linden,
and then Linden prepare their army and then go back
to Orangeon and then like that alone is like weeks.
I guess maybe a month of time to do all that.
So like this battle like and that that all that
happens before they even get through the freaking wall, So
like this is a long as battle. That's probably why
Taylor that orc was licking the blood. He's probably fucking
hungry man. He probably hasn't eaten weeks at this point.
Speaker 2: I haven't eaten anything but maggotty bread for three stinkingdos.
Speaker 5: The uh You mentioned the Total War there, Kirkland. Was
it Total Wars?
Speaker 2: What you said? That is what I said, yes, excited.
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned that as a video game, and this
episode definitely had certain moments like with the the whole
war sequence and Dylan you said the different different stages
of how things were unfolding with this. With this battle,
I really liked when that troll strolls out because it
felt like you, you know, you sent in like you're
doing the siege and you're in this RTS game and
you hit that super unit and you can just deploy
the super unit kind of thing.
Speaker 5: And I really like that. That was pretty cool.
Speaker 3: There you go. There's another thing we're doing fresh life.
We're busting out the three sixteen playing Battfield formiliar.
Speaker 4: That's like when you get one of those what do
they call them, like the commander units. Yeah, the troll
comes out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of them is like the I think in
I don't know what their class fight as, but the
Nausicle of the Dragon. It's like one of those like
units in the battle mill rephere. It's like that's like
the top one the Witch King.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was the deal. I thought it was
like the I think.
Speaker 3: Had the it was like a game of the year whatever. Yeah,
I have.
Speaker 2: It such a great game.
Speaker 3: I don't have much to add on Dura and the Dwarves, like,
I think there's more of that next week. I thought
I liked speech. Yeah, I like during speech, well acted,
that's Sharlot Dad's thing.
Speaker 2: But those about it, so I uh, I mean we
kinda kinda picked apart their strategy last week, Desa and
Durham of just waiting waiting for them to come back
and you know, summon some more bats on them. And
when they were like just standing there ready with the
like with the pikes or sorry, the like the pick
axes and just ready to defend these these mythral veins,
I'm just like, man, are we really just double downing
on this strategy? Like this makes no fucking sense to me?
And then I was I was actually kind of relieved
that the Dwarves actually were just like they're going on
the fact that Duran's just kind of losing it and
like they're losing faith in their rulers. So I like
that just so much more than Desa just starts fucking
screaming at them again. And I don't know, it's just
like a battle between these two holding out against the
entire Dwarf in Kingdom of Causa Doom. So I was
worried at the start, but uh, yeah, it I don't know.
I I think that I think it also just shows
like the resiliency of the Dwarf and people, how like
although the ruler is getting somewhat corrupted, well straight up
corrupted by this ring of power and just total greed,
like there is like they're not just blindly following him,
like they are able to kind of freethink on their
own even though they are still so loyal, and that's
why it makes it so challenging of them being in
the situation. And I think if you don't have another
dern like someone to kind of lead the charge, maybe
they wouldn't have fully been there.
Speaker 5: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was just really interested in seeing how the downfall
of the Dwarfs was gonna go approaching this season. But
I like how it's going so far, and yeah, I
am very much looking forward to next week. And this
episode just kind of made me like think back of
like the whole Bellrog like reveal of season one. It's
like these fuckers like they just brought that up to
just like get some like talk and excitement going and
like just been completely absent since well, I guess we
saw it one other time right through like another quick
image of them thinking about something that's down or no
it was anatar that did that. Yeah, fire, But like,
like do you guys think like like next season are
we gonna get the like, like when are we gonna
see this bell Rog thing? I imagine they are going
to eventually tackle that because we have been exposed to it,
but it just seemed like from season one it's like,
oh man, season two, we're gonna be seeing this bell
rog and then it's just been completely absent. I definitely
do not think we're getting it at all this season,
even you know, at the end of next like maybe
like end credit like sort of that, and.
Speaker 3: That's what I think we're getting. I think we'll see
it again. I think they're gonna they're treating it like
the White Walkers in Game of Thrones. How for a
while every season that was like the last one of
the last things he saw in the finale was Oh,
they're still coming, They're still.
Speaker 2: There, or then when we get it, it's extremely disappointing,
and it's like, yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping it won't be that case, but I think
you'll see it maybe, uh whole more time this season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree with that. Sounds a good theory
to me. Random thing in orangeon there's just a dog
hanging out at one point.
Speaker 7: Is this that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: Am I forgetting or has there ever been a dog
in Lord of the Rings?
Speaker 3: There has been in this show, because I think it
was brought up at one point of like, oh, there's
a dog, And technically there is a dog in Lord
of the Rings Fellowship that they bark at the naschool
when it's like, yeah, they're back in the back end,
that way, get away from it. Yeah there's there's dogs.
Speaker 4: There's dogs, but there's not a lot of them. They're
not as widespread as as a today.
Speaker 3: Earth is either a rare breed or a new breed, right,
because maybe there's a few of them, but they're gonna
start more and more.
Speaker 5: Like the Eles, they're very rare.
Speaker 3: Always show up, they come and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good memory, but that it's funny
how that still was a surprising thing to me to see.
Speaker 2: Have seen cats is the feline creatures made in appearance.
Speaker 4: I don't think so yet.
Speaker 3: They're gonna spawn for more a cat.
Speaker 4: He's a dog person, not a capect.
Speaker 1: That I I really I would love to see a
project that it just really Dwells dells. Dwells delves into
more of more goth Melchorse kind of story that might
be supera the pre prequel. I always love though, when
he gets name dropped and so in here we got
him name dropped, and I like that dialogue with kind
of backtracking a little bit, But I like that dialogue
with Calibre and Anatar when Anatar.
Speaker 5: Is like like I hate treating you like this. He's
like like, what, like how more Goth treated me? And
I've to god, that was really really cool.
Speaker 1: But just the name drop of more Goth was really awesome.
And I was trying to think of my head, like, man,
did they ever name drop more Goth than the Lord
of the Rings?
Speaker 5: And they they they did. There was there.
Speaker 1: I'll give you one hit at Aragon was singing, was
singing about the Fellowship, But do you know the character
that actually says more Goth?
Speaker 3: I'm asking, I'm fucking, I want to know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like Legolas name drops him like bal.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, yeah, okay, nice one. Back to Fellowship, all
the stuff we don't know. Fellowship best Loither Rings movie.
Speaker 4: It's a good movie.
Speaker 3: I got nothing else.
Speaker 2: Balloons, prettymature balloons. The there's the sequence when l Run's
in the field, he's seeing the light coming up and
it's very much just like a two tower sequence.
Speaker 6: When he look to the north, it's the Dwarves and
it's like it's just insane. Like I told you, guys,
I told you guys, my friends would come and that it's.
Speaker 2: Just not the dwarves and just just.
Speaker 4: As dead as you could possibly over his back.
Speaker 2: They closed the no, you wouldn't do that, as he's
got like fucking arrows in his back. I felt pretty
bad they did.
Speaker 4: That's pretty cringe moment for Elron of like all my
friends are coming, guys, and then no friends.
Speaker 2: It's just like, I don't know for how epic that
moment is in Two Towers of like look to the south,
It's it's kind of and then it's just like you
get that score comes in. You just see like an
Ian McKellen on that horse, that.
Speaker 4: C g I horse he's sold on for dear life.
Speaker 2: Carl Urban next to him, like everyone's smiling like we're saved.
And then this is just like the complete opposite. It
was just it was just great. I don't know, I
chuckled it not didn't laugh as hard as the Modernia
Molina whatever. Yeah, and that's all my notes. So yeah,
it was kind of nice to not see on Bombadil
this week or any stores or alfas.
Speaker 5: You know, the finale is just gonna be all about
the harpwts. Just fighting.
Speaker 3: Is gonna go kiss Gladral as well to just.
Speaker 4: Yeah. It was a long, longer episode and then pretty
much all spent on one to two character storylines. So
it's good. It's focused.
Speaker 2: Crazy mention of the whole show is like that what
could have been?
Speaker 3: I don't know if you need the whole She'll maybe
more episodes like this.
Speaker 4: I think that a few characters make it more focused,
come down focus, brilliant.
Speaker 5: Well that does it. We'll be back next Thursday.
Speaker 1: For the finale of Rings of Power season two. I
personally cannot wait to get back in the Middle Earth.
Speaker 4: I can wait. Dravis, I don't think you said penultimate
at all today, which I'm.
Speaker 3: He took it from me, but I'm I'm excited that
we had a good discussion on this penultimate episode.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we will be back. We'll see you in
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