1 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,359 Speaker 1: What is up, fellow Siko's I am Dana Valley back 2 00:00:19,399 --> 00:00:23,519 with our bonus clip pod snippet thing of a jig 3 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,440 of the week. We're gonna talk about Tyrese Maxey, the 4 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,519 Sixers and the role that Tyrese MAXI, but also Rich 5 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,799 Paul apparently played in putting this team in a position 6 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,600 to make just a massive, massive splash over the summer. 7 00:00:38,679 --> 00:00:42,079 Before we get started, very quickly subscribe if you haven't already, 8 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:43,719 and if you are a long time subscriber, make sure 9 00:00:43,719 --> 00:00:47,039 you're flooding the comments like also tell people about us 10 00:00:47,039 --> 00:00:48,960 if you've not done so, subscribe and Apple Spotify the 11 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,039 whole nine and also check out our merch. 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Let's talk Tyre's Massy and the Sixers though, 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,200 So there was a clip Daryl Morey went on the 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,000 WAP afternoon show in Philly to talk about kind of 24 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,079 the off season, and there was about like it might 25 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:29,840 be a little bit less that it's just a couple 26 00:01:29,879 --> 00:01:32,519 of minutes that really stood out to me from his interview. 27 00:01:32,519 --> 00:01:34,519 The whole thing was sort of enlightening, But I enjoy 28 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,719 the discussion about Tyrese Maxi and kudos to I think 29 00:01:37,719 --> 00:01:40,120 it's Spike Eskin opening and get his name wrong is 30 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,599 the one who asked the question. I thought that was 31 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,079 a great question because some of the nuance will times 32 00:01:44,079 --> 00:01:48,280 get lost in all this about what not what concessions, 33 00:01:48,319 --> 00:01:50,280 but what kind of all the steps that were made, 34 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,719 because when you look at Philly, they're in an interesting 35 00:01:52,719 --> 00:01:56,760 situation where Okay, this was a team that had boltloads 36 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,359 of cap space, like could have carved out if they 37 00:01:59,359 --> 00:02:02,159 wanted to sixty plus million dollars, and yet so they 38 00:02:02,239 --> 00:02:05,319 use that cap space and then as of now, like 39 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:07,319 they're a team that's in the tax that is not 40 00:02:07,439 --> 00:02:09,360 they have some room under the first apron, but their 41 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,360 team that's in the tax. That just doesn't happen. I'm 42 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,080 trying to think of the last time that happened where 43 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,280 a team entered the off season with cap space and 44 00:02:15,319 --> 00:02:18,240 then exit it in the luxury tax. Hopefully you now 45 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,759 will realize if you're watching on screen, why I'm off 46 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,719 to the side so that this thing could fit up there, 47 00:02:23,719 --> 00:02:25,280 we go there, it could fit there, you go out. 48 00:02:25,319 --> 00:02:28,680 That hurts my shoulder, it can fit right there. Start 49 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:29,919 an interview, let's roll through it. 50 00:02:30,439 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: So one of the big things that allowed this to 51 00:02:33,039 --> 00:02:34,439 happen was. 52 00:02:35,039 --> 00:02:37,879 Speaker 1: Right off to that. Love I'm gonna love this question. 53 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,719 But I like that this doesn't look like you're typical. 54 00:02:40,759 --> 00:02:42,639 This looks like someone that might join us in the 55 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,199 Hardwood Knox Discord to talk about EMAO music and the 56 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,719 latest plan gwent eighty two or a yellow Card concert 57 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,960 that they went to. So I favorite. 58 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 2: Hyres MAXI you guys not signing him to the extension 59 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:56,639 last offseason, and. 60 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: Which for those two need to be reminded if they 61 00:02:59,719 --> 00:03:02,240 would have given him a MAX number, he would have 62 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:04,840 ended up on the books. Have they extended him last, 63 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,800 you know, before last season about thirty five point one million, 64 00:03:07,879 --> 00:03:12,000 And while he did go on to have a career year, 65 00:03:12,319 --> 00:03:15,360 and maybe in some people's minds wasn't considered a no 66 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:19,759 brainer to get that Max. I'd probably like to meet 67 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,240 the people who didn't think he was a no brainer. 68 00:03:22,319 --> 00:03:25,000 I mean, this is last year is there's no denying 69 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,599 what he did. Twenty six points six assists, shot fifty 70 00:03:28,599 --> 00:03:30,840 percent on two thirty seven point three percent on threes. 71 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,680 I thought he improved as a playmaker too. Overall, but 72 00:03:33,719 --> 00:03:37,159 he averaged over twenty points fit next to the previous season. 73 00:03:37,159 --> 00:03:39,960 His third year was played next to James Harden, played 74 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,000 independent of James Harden. The passing, he didn't see as 75 00:03:43,039 --> 00:03:44,560 much of it there because he wasn't saddled with his 76 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,120 much responsibility. But the iterations even look at his second 77 00:03:47,159 --> 00:03:49,439 year like he's just been through so many iterations of 78 00:03:49,439 --> 00:03:51,639 the six has already proven he could fit inside all 79 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,319 of them. So just to be clear, he was a 80 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,479 for anyone who just forgot, I'm not saying anybody did 81 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,240 not trying to be, you know, a patronizing asshole. Year 82 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,360 he was a MAX candidate at this time last this 83 00:04:04,479 --> 00:04:06,919 time last year, he was absolutely a MAX contract. I 84 00:04:06,919 --> 00:04:08,360 wouldn't even call it a candidate put. 85 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: A lock waiting until this offseason so you could sign 86 00:04:11,759 --> 00:04:16,439 Paul George. How does the conversation go with Tyrese Maxi 87 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,720 And you know he's represented by Clutch, So that's Rich 88 00:04:18,759 --> 00:04:24,040 Paul and telling a player, you know, wait till next year. 89 00:04:24,519 --> 00:04:27,879 And with the risk obviously that he is looking into 90 00:04:28,079 --> 00:04:29,920 the future, he could get injured, he could have a 91 00:04:29,959 --> 00:04:32,480 bad year or whatever. How do you get him to 92 00:04:32,519 --> 00:04:34,519 do that? Because it seems like such a major piece 93 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:35,240 of this happening. 94 00:04:36,519 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: This is an excellent question because we've talked about this 95 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,759 on the pod before, about the important shout out anyone 96 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,360 who could see Cosmo on screen just going ballistic behind 97 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,800 me or to the to the side of me. We 98 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:50,639 talk a lot about why players like why can't teams 99 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,240 just force players to wait when it comes to the 100 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,839 matter of restricted free agency holds they have all the 101 00:04:54,879 --> 00:04:58,759 power restricted free agency. I'm not here to relitigate whether 102 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,519 restricted free agencies would be thing. It's a thing right now. 103 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,839 The Players Union collectively bargained these circumstances. Teams should use 104 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:07,879 it to their advantage when it's appropriate or when it 105 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,360 can actually benefit them, not just for you know, if 106 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,000 they don't believe in the players different. But it's not 107 00:05:12,079 --> 00:05:13,560 just for we're not gonna have cap states. We're gonna 108 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,720 make them wait anyway to see if we can get 109 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:20,160 them for cheaper somehow. So but we never think about 110 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,879 what is that like because we just assume these players 111 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,720 are gonna be conditioned to trust teams. And maybe that's 112 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:29,360 the case in certain circumstances. But you're an NBA player 113 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,680 and you're coming off your first deal, you haven't been 114 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,439 capslock paid yet, I don't care if if you know 115 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,279 you're gonna be with the franchise for life, you're gonna 116 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,600 be worried about injuries. This is your first time to 117 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,040 lock up generational wealth and that's like a really big deal, 118 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,439 like because every contract now in the NBA after that 119 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,399 first one is generational wealth essentially if you're if you're 120 00:05:50,399 --> 00:05:52,839 a really good player. So it is a concession. And 121 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,480 it's fascinating to actually ask that question, and you wish 122 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,680 that you could almost get more of an unplugged answer 123 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,959 of okay, like what is that converse? Like, like how 124 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:03,680 do you convince a player? How do you sell them 125 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,360 on this path? And they're going to get into that 126 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,279 a little bit. That's why I found this clip fascinating. 127 00:06:07,319 --> 00:06:10,480 I know Darryl Mory's comments about Maxie were making the rounds, 128 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,079 but I find the stuff we're about to get it 129 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,879 about to it about Rich Paul just as fascinating. 130 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 3: I think, you know, I'm glad you brought up as 131 00:06:18,199 --> 00:06:22,920 Tyrese deserves like he made this offseason happen. Without Tyrese, 132 00:06:23,079 --> 00:06:24,519 this offseason can't happen. 133 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,199 Speaker 1: And that's also I'm not, by the way, I'm not 134 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,319 diminishing with Tyre's max he's doing here. I'm saying he 135 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,439 deserves all the credit in the world. So his cap 136 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,439 hold was and if people don't like the cap me 137 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:34,959 once as I get it. But his cap hold was 138 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,600 thirteen million dollars leading into this summer. Had he signed 139 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:39,959 the max you're talking about, he's on the books for 140 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,439 thirty five point one million dollars, the Sixers still could 141 00:06:42,439 --> 00:06:44,079 have had cap space and had him on the MAX, 142 00:06:44,079 --> 00:06:46,839 but it wouldn't have been nearly as consequential cap space. 143 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:48,160 And so you look at what they were able to 144 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,399 do in maxing out Paul George using the room exception 145 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,160 to get Kelly you Bridge, Keith Kellyubridge on your and 146 00:06:54,199 --> 00:06:57,279 then be able to sign Kayleb Martin. These are not 147 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,079 all things they could have done if he was on 148 00:06:59,079 --> 00:07:01,279 the books for thirty five one million. And the way 149 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:03,519 cap holds work, just for anyone who might not be familiar. 150 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,319 If you're a restricted free agent specifically, let's just use it. 151 00:07:06,399 --> 00:07:08,519 You have that you know, if you meet the startup criteria, 152 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,959 there's that not predetermined cap hold essentially, and that is 153 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,399 the amount that you count on the books for while 154 00:07:15,439 --> 00:07:17,639 you're a free agent. But because the team has your 155 00:07:17,639 --> 00:07:21,319 bird rights, you can in this scenario, you leave that 156 00:07:21,439 --> 00:07:24,560 number on the books, that thirteen million, You go about 157 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:26,959 all of your off season business, and then you are 158 00:07:26,959 --> 00:07:29,240 allowed because the player as still not under contract but 159 00:07:29,279 --> 00:07:30,759 you have his bird rights. Like that's the whole point 160 00:07:30,759 --> 00:07:32,959 of the cap hold. You then go and sign Tyre's 161 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,720 MAXI to his max deal. That's what happened here, That's 162 00:07:36,759 --> 00:07:39,879 what he waited on, and by doing so, it's it 163 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,040 doesn't amount dollar for dollar here, but in this case 164 00:07:42,079 --> 00:07:45,560 it kind of essentially does. Like it afforded Philly twenty 165 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,360 plus million dollars in additional wiggle room, if not in 166 00:07:49,519 --> 00:07:51,959 raw spending power, even though in this case it probably does. 167 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,759 It is a perfect analog one to one analog, but 168 00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:59,199 that additional flexibility, that's a huge deal. And this offseason 169 00:07:59,199 --> 00:08:02,000 does not happen the way it does. They're not even 170 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,480 getting to Paul George money. If Maxi's like that their 171 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:07,600 biggest acquisition. Yeah, they could have done the Kayleb Martin 172 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,519 stuff to Kelly, they could have signed maybe someone else. 173 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,720 They couldn't have gotten Paul George. They wouldn't have had 174 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:13,639 the cap space to even be in the running for 175 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:19,439 Ogiannaobi and like Tyres Maxi like without him waiting, because 176 00:08:19,519 --> 00:08:20,959 he did have the left you could have said no, 177 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,000 I'm not waiting, and the Sixers would have said, tough shit. 178 00:08:23,079 --> 00:08:25,240 But do you know what could happen if you do that? 179 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,199 You can get to the Gordon Hayward instance where the 180 00:08:29,279 --> 00:08:31,360 Jazz were different. They told him to go get an offer, 181 00:08:31,399 --> 00:08:35,200 which was hysterical in retrospect and shout out Gordon Hayward 182 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,679 to retirement. I hope daddy's finally happy if you know 183 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:42,240 you know so, if you told him no, but we're 184 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,080 gonna make you wait anyway, he could have went into 185 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,200 restricted free agency, not signed with you right off the 186 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,000 bat and said, well, I'm gonna sign a three year 187 00:08:48,039 --> 00:08:49,960 offer sheet that gets me in a free agency sooner. 188 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,480 That's what you're matching. So fuck you for making me wait. 189 00:08:52,799 --> 00:08:56,200 That's why the relationship here is super important. But you're 190 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,559 talking about a kid in his early twenties, lots of 191 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,360 money on the line. He's played up to snuff of 192 00:09:01,399 --> 00:09:03,759 a MAX player. And the other thing here is like 193 00:09:03,799 --> 00:09:05,679 they've put him through the ringer of just sort of 194 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,799 different utilities. When he's been there, you know, with Joel 195 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,240 em Beat injured, he's been there, had to playoff James Harden, 196 00:09:12,279 --> 00:09:15,360 played independent of James Harden. You bring. He's there for 197 00:09:15,399 --> 00:09:17,720 the whole Ben Simmons situation, and all of a sudden 198 00:09:17,759 --> 00:09:19,480 he is like he had the mid season where's always 199 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,120 taken on this bigger role and then James Harden comes 200 00:09:21,159 --> 00:09:24,559 along after the trade and it has to be adjusted again. 201 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:28,960 So he's it was well within his right not to wait. 202 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,440 And so the fact that he because if he would 203 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,919 have said to me, if he tells them, no, I'm 204 00:09:34,919 --> 00:09:38,159 not waiting, then they're probably gonna sign him anyway. Just 205 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,879 to not they wouldn't wanted to have risked him going 206 00:09:40,919 --> 00:09:44,600 into restricted free agency signing that shorter deal that would 207 00:09:44,639 --> 00:09:46,679 have put him in free agency sooner. 208 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 3: All his tiers in that draft, I think pretty much 209 00:09:51,399 --> 00:09:53,799 all of them who are on the way he was 210 00:09:53,879 --> 00:09:56,639 on the ways to being an All Star all got 211 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:57,559 a big extension. 212 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:02,159 Speaker 1: So I think this sounds right. But why don't we 213 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,879 go through the draft class and six So, okay, we 214 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,039 have Anthey Edwards he got the max. James Wiseman did 215 00:10:08,039 --> 00:10:12,320 not get an extension. LaMelo Ball, Yeah he got the max. 216 00:10:12,399 --> 00:10:14,799 Patrick Williams not on that level. A Korro still not 217 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,960 signed as I record this. Recorded this by the way, 218 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,799 when Yaka Kungu he got an extension, they're way cheaper 219 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,399 than they max. He would have signed on Yekakungu's deal. 220 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,440 I think it's what four and sixty four whatever it 221 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,240 was that Sixers would have pounced at that. Tillian Hayes 222 00:10:28,799 --> 00:10:30,360 not currently out of the NBA, he does have a 223 00:10:30,399 --> 00:10:32,559 chance to make the nets Obi topping. He took it 224 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,159 to restricted freeency. Not a max player though, Denny Avvia 225 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:38,919 he did not he sign an extension. Excuse me, but 226 00:10:38,919 --> 00:10:42,000 it wasn't a max player candidate. Jalen Smith, we know 227 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,240 how his deal ended up. Devin Massell is interesting. He 228 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,279 did sign an extension. It was in the one hundred 229 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:51,480 and forty million dollar range, so that's not MAX money, 230 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,879 but it's enough to have obliterated the Sixers cap space. 231 00:10:53,919 --> 00:10:57,279 And I viewed Devin Vessel as someone with a potential, 232 00:10:57,879 --> 00:11:01,120 you know, all star like stock. Tyre's Alberton, Yeah, he 233 00:11:01,399 --> 00:11:03,440 had the MAX penciled in. Kyle Lewis Junior known out 234 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,799 on that level. Aaronie Smith did sign an extension, so 235 00:11:05,919 --> 00:11:08,960 did Cole Anthony. So so did Isaiah Stewart. Nowhere near 236 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,000 the max as though Lexey Pokeschewski man, this one hurts. 237 00:11:13,159 --> 00:11:15,240 I wish that I wasn't scrolling through his list right now. 238 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,480 Josh Green, he got an extension super cheap. Sadiepe took 239 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,039 it to restricted free agency. That was rough for him. 240 00:11:21,039 --> 00:11:23,000 He did get a multi year deal though post acl injury. 241 00:11:23,039 --> 00:11:24,600 That's not bad. Press that you only got a one 242 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,639 year deal from the Nicks. He took it to restricted 243 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:28,799 free agency although they never even gave him the qualifying offer. 244 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,000 Tyre's Maxie, of course we know. See, No, she did 245 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:35,519 get an extension. How's that? Aged Leandro Bolermo No. R 246 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,120 J Hampton, Wow blasting the pass quickly did not get 247 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,240 an extension. He goes to restricted free agency, so the 248 00:11:41,399 --> 00:11:43,600 Raptors were able to work with a lower tap hold 249 00:11:43,879 --> 00:11:46,679 for him. Again not a no brainer. Max Guy Peyton 250 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,720 Pritchard a cheap o extension. Your dook has a bookie note. 251 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,399 Jade McDaniels, he again got a sizeable extension right in 252 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,120 the you know, I'll put him in Devin Visell territory, 253 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,519 so that could have obliterated the Sixers cap space. Desmond 254 00:11:58,519 --> 00:12:01,000 Bin got the MAX with the exception of if you 255 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,200 consider McDaniels and Quickly and Vsell having all star potential, 256 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,480 I think Vcell definitely does. We need to see more 257 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,360 from j Mac on the offensive end, of course, and 258 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,600 then Quickly is like, hmm, I don't know, you just 259 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,399 you can't picture it because of kind of the pecking 260 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,120 order in Toronto and the pecking order in New York. 261 00:12:20,159 --> 00:12:22,639 But just fringe all stars, whatever potential. I'm not saying 262 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,320 that's what they are right now. Those dudes signed not 263 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,519 the MAX but for well quickly eventually took it to 264 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:30,879 restrict it free agency. So let's consider just Jade McDaniels 265 00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:33,600 and Den Vessel here fringe stars are potential All Stars. 266 00:12:34,039 --> 00:12:35,600 They don't get the max, but it's a sizeable enough 267 00:12:35,639 --> 00:12:38,279 money that it would have upended the Sixers' plans. But 268 00:12:38,399 --> 00:12:40,320 you look at the actual guys that I think you 269 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,440 would call no brainer. Oh it wouldn't shock it would 270 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,960 shock you. I guess Desmond Baine kind of feels fringe. 271 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,279 Would it shock you if he never made an All 272 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,240 Star Game? Probably not? But that was someone no brainer 273 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:52,720 right around gonna get max money? Did it for LaMelo Ball, 274 00:12:52,799 --> 00:12:55,559 Ampy Edwards and Tyres Haliburton, So doubt Moore, he is right. 275 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,679 Everyone who was kind of in Tyrese Maxi's tier. They 276 00:12:59,759 --> 00:13:03,960 did go the extension route. And look, do certain cases 277 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,279 matter here? If you're going through these teams. The Timberwolves, 278 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,120 they weren't gonna have cap space, so you might as 279 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,120 well lock Anthony Edwards down. The Hornets. Now, this is 280 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,240 where things get interesting. I think when you're looking at 281 00:13:15,759 --> 00:13:18,720 let's say the Hornets specifically, and even the Grizzlies they 282 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:21,000 weren't gonna have cap space. But let's use the like, 283 00:13:21,759 --> 00:13:24,480 even Minnesota would count as this if you have some 284 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:27,720 Indie too with hout, Indy's a perfect example. They could 285 00:13:27,759 --> 00:13:30,039 have had cap space this year, even after the Seakam trade, 286 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,559 But you would have had to work with Tyres Halburton's hold, 287 00:13:32,639 --> 00:13:35,919 which we'll get into this in a second. It would 288 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,799 have been more sizable than Maxi's because of where he 289 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:41,960 was drafted, but they could have had cap space. But 290 00:13:42,039 --> 00:13:43,840 you're a like you could have worked with this whole 291 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,080 technically renounced Pascal Siakham or never made the trade. If 292 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,480 you're not a market that can picture yourself poaching these 293 00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:55,360 big names, or you don't need to just use free agency, 294 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,200 you can use trades. But if you're not in the 295 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:58,960 business of We're going to trade a bunch of draft 296 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,120 picks to and use our cap space to acquire big 297 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,399 name players that way, if you're not a team that 298 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:05,879 thinks you can build through that route, then you might 299 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:07,559 as well even if you can have cap space. I'll 300 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:10,600 use India as an example, Charlotte as an example too. 301 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,519 You might as well just extend these guys. Now do 302 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:17,279 I think LaMelo ball Tyres Halberton certainly had the cachet 303 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,000 to say I'm not waiting. I don't think Indy would 304 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,960 have even been interested in going that route. Who knows 305 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,000 how much money he could have ended up costing himself 306 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,679 with the hamstring injury, they probably still would have maxed 307 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,679 him out quite frankly. But if you're not a market 308 00:14:30,759 --> 00:14:32,840 that views itself as a free agency player or even 309 00:14:32,879 --> 00:14:34,720 a team that's gonna take big, big swings on the 310 00:14:34,759 --> 00:14:37,080 trade market. I know the Pacers went and traded for 311 00:14:37,159 --> 00:14:40,840 Pascal Siakam, but they gave up three first round picks 312 00:14:40,879 --> 00:14:43,360 that were the one that twenty twenty six pick is 313 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:44,879 going to be the most valuable, and the tops out 314 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,360 is like maybe middle of the first round. So if 315 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,120 you're not a team that wants to feels like a 316 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,440 Ken roll that dice because you're in a market or 317 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,639 free agents typically haven't flocked you, or you typically haven't 318 00:14:55,639 --> 00:14:59,080 made these big time trades. Now. Memphis is an interesting 319 00:14:59,159 --> 00:15:01,279 case study with de because it's, well, they already have 320 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:02,720 John Moran guys who want to play for him. You 321 00:15:02,759 --> 00:15:04,679 weren't gonna have cap space anyway, so you might as 322 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,399 well just extend desmon Bin. But when you feel like 323 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,279 you have the opportunity to make a bunch of splashes 324 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:13,360 and capitalize on this flexibility, it behooves you to go 325 00:15:13,639 --> 00:15:16,159 that route, But you need the player to understand. 326 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,879 Speaker 3: So it was very challenging with both Tyres and his family. 327 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,639 They are very understandably wanted the extension they deserved and 328 00:15:27,679 --> 00:15:29,080 one hundred percent did deserve. 329 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,559 Speaker 1: We want to make that clear. There's nothing wrong with that, 330 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,320 and that has to be like a difficult discussion. And yes, 331 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,200 I think bands can get caught up in well if 332 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,759 they just promised to pay him, and it's it doesn't 333 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,159 work like that. And you asked James Harden, you probably 334 00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:44,440 shouldn't trust Darryl Mori or the Sixers in general. And 335 00:15:44,519 --> 00:15:47,759 what's interesting about that is, so this conversation is happening 336 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,000 on the heels of or like amidst all this James 337 00:15:51,039 --> 00:15:54,120 Harden drama where he's calling the Sixers front office liars, 338 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,919 saying Daryl Morey's pants are on fire, and so you 339 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,279 wonder if that hurts the dialogue. And this is where 340 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:02,799 I find this fascinating, is where the Rich Paul of 341 00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:04,240 it all kind of comes into play. 342 00:16:05,639 --> 00:16:08,519 Speaker 3: I think Rich Paul was a big factor here, and 343 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:12,840 that Rich is very experienced, very experienced on being part 344 00:16:12,919 --> 00:16:17,159 of winning teams. Obviously with his iconic you know clients 345 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,440 who have one minute won many titles. 346 00:16:20,879 --> 00:16:26,519 Speaker 1: I wonder who one of those iconic clients is. Garigan 347 00:16:26,559 --> 00:16:29,639 Junior doesn't have an NBA championship. Who's like, just how 348 00:16:29,679 --> 00:16:33,200 many of Rich Paul's clients have NBA championships in are iconic? 349 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:35,919 You can't nothing, nothing springs to mind, but I'll trust 350 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:36,639 dal Moore here. 351 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,679 Speaker 3: With multiple teams in them, having to put those teams together, 352 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,519 Rich became very important for us to help explain this 353 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,639 that you know, obviously coming from US is pretty biased. 354 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,159 Speaker 1: But James Harden would probably agree there. 355 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:53,639 Speaker 3: For Rich to go to him and say like, hey, 356 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,240 I get what they're doing and this is a good plan. 357 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:57,559 I think that was a big factor. 358 00:16:58,759 --> 00:17:03,039 Speaker 1: That's a huge factor because it's not at that point 359 00:17:03,559 --> 00:17:05,519 in theory and there will probably be clients of Rich 360 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:08,799 Paul's that might complain. And people do get caught up 361 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,799 in the Lebron of it all. He is never just 362 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,599 per Kobe stands at MJ's fans, it's just a bummer 363 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,359 that Lebron's never won a title. Maybe one time he'll 364 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,759 win a championship. But people just view Rich Paul as 365 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:23,960 this extension of Lebron James, and in some ways maybe 366 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,680 he is. But this is someone who has a roll 367 00:17:25,759 --> 00:17:29,039 of decks of just really impactful NBA players and athletes 368 00:17:29,839 --> 00:17:33,279 on his client list, and for him, like he has 369 00:17:33,319 --> 00:17:35,279 a cachet, he's good at what he does. I'm not 370 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,680 here to argue that. I mean the campaign that they 371 00:17:37,759 --> 00:17:40,519 went on with just Lebron taking the pay cut or 372 00:17:40,799 --> 00:17:42,480 the willingness to take a pay cut to bring some 373 00:17:42,599 --> 00:17:46,720 guys as nondescript, I would say in the grand scheme 374 00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:50,599 of taking pay cuts for as Jonas Valanciunis, kudos to them. 375 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:51,960 I think a lot of people soar through it. But 376 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:54,920 Lebron and his camp come off smelling like roses here. 377 00:17:55,759 --> 00:17:57,559 And really, even if they didn't take a pay cut, 378 00:17:57,599 --> 00:17:59,319 this all falls on the Lakers front office, not about 379 00:17:59,319 --> 00:18:04,000 the Lakers though. So having him in your corner essentially, 380 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,119 like that's a big deal because that is someone who 381 00:18:08,079 --> 00:18:13,039 legally and in spirit has Tyrese Maxi's best interests at heart. 382 00:18:13,279 --> 00:18:17,359 Now Ron's note well might argue against this, but with 383 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,839 all sincerity, if you're hearing that from your agent, who 384 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,160 you have more of a relationship with that, yes, it's 385 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,880 a working relationship, but his job is to make you 386 00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:28,279 the most money possible, because then they make the most 387 00:18:28,319 --> 00:18:32,160 money possible. To hear that from them is absolutely instrumental. 388 00:18:32,599 --> 00:18:38,279 And to have Rich Paul's backing here is a big 389 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,640 deal because when you get when you look at what 390 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,480 was happening with James hard like dal Moore doesn't come 391 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,160 out of that situation looking all that great. I think 392 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,079 most people sided with the Sixers if they had to 393 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,480 pick a side and all of that, But to have 394 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:54,079 his stamp of approval like that, Honestly, if he's telling 395 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,519 time like, here's the thing I'm not saying. Players always 396 00:18:56,559 --> 00:18:59,200 listen to their agents, and I sometimes feel like we 397 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,839 overstate how agents can steer players towards certain teams, but 398 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,079 their input matters, especially when you're coming to your first 399 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,440 let's call it your second contract, but your first big 400 00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:11,440 deal for these players coming off their rookie scales. So 401 00:19:11,519 --> 00:19:15,000 if Rich Paul had said, you should know we're gonna 402 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:17,880 push for the max, now, Tyre's Patty's probably listening to 403 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,079 him in part large part because that view gets him 404 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,640 paid nine figures or locks him down nine figures because 405 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,240 his salary wouldn't have increased right away. So Rich Paul 406 00:19:28,559 --> 00:19:32,279 helped ensure that Tyres Maxie's cap hold stayed twenty two 407 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,519 plus million dollars below what it was going to be 408 00:19:35,839 --> 00:19:39,160 and now currently is. And if he doesn't do that, 409 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,279 if Maxi doesn't accept what Rich Paul is saying, you 410 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,759 don't sign Paul George, and then what happens. Yes, you 411 00:19:45,839 --> 00:19:49,160 could have done these other things that the Keller Bridg 412 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,400 junior Kayleb Martin. You are not the same level of 413 00:19:53,599 --> 00:19:56,119 team at that point. There was no alternative scenario. You 414 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,559 weren't getting og ananob based off what the Knicks paid him, 415 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:02,279 no scenario on which you are in the discussion for 416 00:20:02,319 --> 00:20:04,079 the second best team in the Eastern Conference leading in 417 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,039 the next season, and now you might just be considered 418 00:20:06,079 --> 00:20:10,039 the favorites in the non Celtics division in the Eastern Conference. 419 00:20:10,079 --> 00:20:12,640 The knickser there. I think Cleveland probably deserves mentioned, as 420 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,240 is Milwaukee, but you're there because of this, and you 421 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,079 know what else Tyres Maxi did. This is not I 422 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,559 guess it's Rich paula Jason because he's Tyros Maxey's a client. 423 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,279 But like if Tyres Maxi doesn't I know Joellembe's on 424 00:20:25,319 --> 00:20:27,480 in off split, YadA, YadA, YadA. But if Tyres Maxi 425 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:30,920 is not as good as he is either again twenty 426 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,079 six points six assists, fifty plus percent shooting on twos, 427 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,559 thirty seven point three percent on threes, a nice mix too, 428 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,359 Like this is someone who generate his own shop but 429 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,680 can also work away from the ball. If he's not 430 00:20:42,759 --> 00:20:45,000 as good as he is, if this is not someone 431 00:20:45,079 --> 00:20:48,400 who you look back on that season and say, yeah, 432 00:20:48,519 --> 00:20:51,839 like that was essentially his well it wasn't essentially. It's 433 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:54,799 his All Star coming out party. He wins most Improved Player, 434 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,240 by the way. So yes, he ensures that the Sixers 435 00:20:57,319 --> 00:20:59,519 have not that they would have had any excuses. But 436 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,160 it wasn't just about him becoming a MAX player. He 437 00:21:02,319 --> 00:21:05,359 entered legitimate stardom. And now you have that as a 438 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,799 baseline for when Paul George is looking at other options. 439 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,640 If Tyrese Maxie isn't Tyrese Maxey. Honestly, Joel Ebie injured 440 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,640 all the time, and even when he's playing, he's won 441 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,240 an MVP, he's a fantastic player. Won he's healthy, he's 442 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,000 one of the five to ten best players in the NBA. 443 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:21,480 But availability matters, sustainability matters. He's banged up in the 444 00:21:21,519 --> 00:21:24,519 playoffs all the time. Do I think he would have 445 00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:27,839 been attractive enough alone. If that's the only star on 446 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,880 the Sixers roster, probably not because they were working with 447 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,599 such a bare bones roster in like going after Paul George. 448 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,680 To have the amount of cap space that they did 449 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,759 they had, I mean, technically speaking, Joel Ebe was the 450 00:21:39,839 --> 00:21:43,119 only player under guaranteed contract. But you pencil Tyrese Maxey 451 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,319 in there. We had Rickey Counsel pencil then Ricky Counsel 452 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,039 the fourth pencils in there. So you had so few 453 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,400 incumbent players on your roster that would appeal to Poler 454 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,839 George because his max is so high. If so, Tyrese 455 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,279 Maxey helps you on multiple fronts. He helps you financially 456 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,039 and then just functionally rationally. As part of your sales pitch, 457 00:22:03,079 --> 00:22:05,599 Paul George, Hey, you get to come play with Tyrese 458 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,119 Maxi and Joel Bute. You get to come play with 459 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,680 two stars, not just one. And if the selling point is, well, 460 00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:12,599 we have Tyrese max he's like up and coming and 461 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,880 we think he could be like if if we're just saying, 462 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:17,519 does Paul George feel the same way, if Tyrese Maxi 463 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,880 has an identical season to what he did in twenty 464 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,279 twenty two and twenty twenty three. Even that was a 465 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,440 hell of a season, twenty points three and a half assists, 466 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,559 fifty one point three percent on twos, forty three point 467 00:22:27,599 --> 00:22:29,839 four percent on threes. I think that the diet, though, 468 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,559 when you look at the breakdown and the splits they were, 469 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,039 the shot quality was probably a little bit easier. I 470 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,920 mean maybe, but you can't guarantee that they were able 471 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,160 to point to two in Company All Stars, one of 472 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,480 which just one most improved player. The other one is 473 00:22:43,599 --> 00:22:47,079 fresh off his MVP. I know he didn't win this summer. 474 00:22:47,079 --> 00:22:50,079 I'm talking about this season, the previous season. You have 475 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,400 all of that in a box that you were able 476 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,400 to take to Paul George in addition to your cap space, 477 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,079 and that is that's not just a difference maker that 478 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,119 those are defining those are defining actors here. And so 479 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:06,200 it's not hyperbole to say Tyrese Maxi saved the Sixers 480 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:09,720 from a fate that would be I would say fairly 481 00:23:09,799 --> 00:23:13,880 ambiguous or mediocre at absolute best, and a rich Paul 482 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,519 he saved the Sixers two from that because he's the 483 00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:18,920 one that convinced Tyre's Maxi to give the Sixers the 484 00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:21,599 financial benefit and if not convinced, he at least helped 485 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,640 map it out for him. And so those without the 486 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,359 cooperation of those two parties who are one singular party 487 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,079 together and all of this, the Sixers are not in 488 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,200 the position that they are right now, which is, yeah, 489 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,799 there's questions and they still have moves to make. But 490 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,839 like think about this too, they still have if you 491 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,759 want to include Jared McCain that if Jared McCain plus 492 00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:43,359 four first round picks they could dangle in trades, they 493 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,319 still have the ability to aggregate to by the way, 494 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,319 they just can't take back more money than they receive. 495 00:23:47,599 --> 00:23:49,400 I won't get into targets because we talk about that 496 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,440 with Brian Taporak, I think upcoming this week. But now, 497 00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:56,200 had you knock gotten Paul George, you probably feel a 498 00:23:56,279 --> 00:23:59,400 sense of urgency to now use those picks to just 499 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:02,279 figure out in alternative are you giving up those picks 500 00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:04,279 to maybe enter the lowry market in sweepstakes or are 501 00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:06,400 they even enough. I just have no idea if you're 502 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,640 not sending actual players back and it's Jared mccainan four 503 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,720 first round picks, I don't I don't think you tav 504 00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:14,440 used that, but that's kind of the point, like as acceptable, 505 00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:16,160 and then that's kind of the point. Who's the best 506 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,519 player you could trade for? And your pick equity's bankrupt 507 00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:20,839 at that point. Now you have Paul George, you have 508 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,240 Tyre's Maxley, you have dwell and bid Kayleb Martin, Kelly 509 00:24:23,319 --> 00:24:26,200 or Bray Junior able to resign Kyle Lowry, who is like, 510 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,920 let's look at that trickle down effect? Is he as 511 00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:32,640 Eric Gordon? Maybe he always just comes Does Kyle Lowry 512 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:34,720 kind of just accept like you won't even give me 513 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,680 the one hundred and twenty percent raise. I'm just gonna 514 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,680 come back on a minimum and play in Philly if 515 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,880 Paul George isn't there, if this other stuff doesn't happen, 516 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,960 I mean maybe, but it makes it a lot easier 517 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,759 for him to do. So you're a more attractive destination 518 00:24:46,839 --> 00:24:49,680 for even guys like a Reggie Jackson. There's more meaning 519 00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:52,799 behind signing Kenyan Martin Junior to that inflated deal. He 520 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:55,160 always would have taken the inflated deal, But you kind 521 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,799 of wonder what your end game at some point when 522 00:24:56,799 --> 00:24:58,640 you're doing that, and you might you probably still do 523 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,680 that anyway, just have the trade chip in place, but 524 00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:02,319 it's not as valuable if you had to use those 525 00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:05,319 first round picks to come up with contingencies plans B 526 00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:09,799 through Q, so Tyrese MAXI. And this was a master 527 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,799 stroke in cap management by the Sixers. The credit needs 528 00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:14,319 to go all around. Even give it to Jowell Ebid 529 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,359 for not requesting a trade as soon as the James 530 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,960 hardenshit broke out, But there was so much at stake here. 531 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:21,559 Joel Embiid is over the age of thirty now, folks, 532 00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:23,759 they're not. And I know Paul George is older. He's 533 00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:26,000 over the age of thirty four, but you don't have 534 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,640 the luxury of time as young as Maxie is. Yeah, 535 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,839 he's that bridge into the future. But because he is 536 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,319 what he is now, which is a fucking all star, 537 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,559 and because he was then willing to wait on guaranteeing 538 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,359 his payday, and I think we frame it and I'm 539 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,960 guilty of this too, a throw like, oh, it's just 540 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,920 a lot easier decision as it is. You're still gonna 541 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,119 get life changing money even if you get injured. The 542 00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:49,559 risk is still there. I've mentioned a time and again 543 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:53,119 with Jalen Brunson as well. So this was a huge 544 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,839 deal and it by virtue, it made the Sixers what 545 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,119 they are right now. And the other thing is more 546 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,680 teams should follow us. I understand, I went through it. 547 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,160 If you're not gonna have cap space, but if you're, 548 00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:06,960 let's use the Houston Rockets, who Grant and I talked 549 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,720 about extensively with this a week or two ago. Now 550 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,480 look at Jalen Green and alp Princhangun situation. The Houston 551 00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:17,400 Rockets can comfortably get to over sixty million in cap 552 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,480 space if they decline Fred Vanfleet's team option next year 553 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,960 and then renounce Jalen Green and al prinshang Gun. Renouncing 554 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,680 them is not an option if you extend them, but 555 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,119 if you want to keep them while also having cap space, 556 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,240 there's there's sort of at the opposite ends of two 557 00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:37,480 different opposite ends of the spectrum where sometimes the cap 558 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:39,279 hold is so high it doesn't matter. So you're looking 559 00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:42,079 at the max salary for players in Greens and alprin 560 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,240 Schangun's situation. Moving forward, a little bit over thirty eight 561 00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:48,359 million dollars. Jalen Green's cap hold, he's a number two 562 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,480 pick when he goes into a restrict free agency thirty 563 00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:55,039 seven point four million dollars. That's not worth it to say, well, 564 00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:57,079 we need to carry his cap hold. You don't extend 565 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,519 him because you want to make him more tradable, or 566 00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:03,720 you're consider actually renouncing him to capitalize on that flexibility. 567 00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:06,440 If he's willing to sign for much less, that's when 568 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,279 it's oh an extensions worth it's gonna be less than 569 00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:10,480 as cap hold. But you start getting deeper into the 570 00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:14,000 draft where Alperrin shang Gun was drafted. What was he 571 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,599 number sixteen? I want to say, I hope I'm not 572 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,319 wrong there. I was an OKC pick, but yeah, sixteen 573 00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:23,000 his cap hold. Now, say Max could be over thirty 574 00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:26,640 eight million dollars, but his cap hold next season, next summer, 575 00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:28,680 excuse me? If they let him get to a stract 576 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,680 difere agency sixteen point three million dollars, So not nearly 577 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,519 as stark as Max. I mean, it's only a little 578 00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:36,440 bit more, and relative to the cap going up, it's 579 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,880 not much more at all. Sixteen point three million versus 580 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,599 thirty eight plus, it's more than twenty two million dollars. 581 00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:46,720 That's a twenty two million dollar difference. Excuse me. So 582 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,640 you keep it. The idea would be, yes, we still 583 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,079 want to build around Shango, but we want to have 584 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,480 access to this cap space. And so let's just assume 585 00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:55,359 Jalen Green's not part of the equation here, that they're 586 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,960 going to renounce him. You can carry al Perrin shang 587 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,160 Gun on the books sixteen point three million dollars next year, 588 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,000 and then you resign them to whatever it takes after 589 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:04,920 you go about your business, you take that away from 590 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,359 their projecting cap space. You're still sitting on over forty 591 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,200 million dollars in cap space, folks. That's not the tippy 592 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,519 top max money. But you have other things that you 593 00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:14,839 can do if you won want to reach that money, 594 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:19,599 and that would include, okay, you're trading somebody at that point. 595 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,200 Actually they don't have any guaranteed money in the books. 596 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,599 That's throw away money at that point. So you can 597 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,400 you could look at though, in theory, if you want 598 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,480 to open up is it move tar e'san, is it 599 00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:32,880 move cam whitmore? Do you look at moving Dylan Brooks 600 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,400 who is guaranteed money that year? That that's the most easy, 601 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,640 most likely one because you're declining for a Van Fleiet's 602 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,720 team option. Dylan Brooks twenty one point one million dollars. 603 00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:41,440 Do you move him for cheaper players or just into 604 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,680 someone's cap space because you can. I'm saying, if you 605 00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:46,880 need forty million more than forty plus million dollars, they 606 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,359 probably won't looking at the free agency class. But cap 607 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,599 space is not just about free agency. It's also about trades. 608 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,799 And so the Rockets can set themselves up to make 609 00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:58,400 a really big splash in the trade market. Yes, they 610 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,680 can do that if they have matching salad on the books, 611 00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:02,640 but some teams are not gonna be as gung ho 612 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,960 about oh we want to Jalen Green on a Max 613 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:07,880 over the summer, or we near max, or we want 614 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,839 Alprin shan Gun on a MAX. You're offering them flexibility 615 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,119 in those trades. And then yeah, of course, like there 616 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,960 will always be one to five free agents worth of 617 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,519 dam and if the Rockets are good again they have 618 00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:21,839 a top seven defense and their offense improves, they're going 619 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,599 to be appealing. That's a market that you would look 620 00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:25,319 at and say, yeah, it's worth them to roll the dice. 621 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,640 Now what Orlando did with Franz Wagner, I still think 622 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,119 they should have made him wait, just because I don't 623 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,119 view hm as a no brainer Max. I don't know 624 00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:33,119 that some of the teams that are slaved to have 625 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,079 cap space. I don't know how many would have aggressively 626 00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:37,440 goun after him. I'm certainly if you wanted the Max, 627 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,119 I don't think they would have been harmon waiting. But 628 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,359 they weren't a team after the way they went about 629 00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:44,240 their business this year because they did put guaranteed money 630 00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:48,519 on their books for next year with CACP, and you're 631 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:50,440 also gonna have to deal with Jalen Suggs's cap hold. 632 00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:53,240 I understand why they would come to be not in 633 00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:56,240 a rush, but they would consider not waiting on these Again, 634 00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:58,000 I think it's different if you don't view them as 635 00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:00,440 a no brainer. This is gonna be an all star 636 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,039 and so we don't want to max them out. And 637 00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:03,920 that's I think friends. Wagner is a really good player. 638 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,240 I just don't think he's at that guaranteed level just yet. 639 00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:08,519 Maybe maybe I'm wrong and this works out fine, But 640 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,079 you wait if you don't you think that they're valued, Hey, 641 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,319 prove it and well we're gonna pay you. We have 642 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,240 matching rights if you're good enough to do it. But 643 00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:20,200 Jalen Suggs is interesting because that's someone his draft status. 644 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,799 It doesn't make sense, it just I mean it does 645 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,640 because the max is thirty eight plus his cap hold 646 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,960 is twenty seven point six million, So there's still difference 647 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,799 of more than eleven million dollars. There about eleven million 648 00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:33,799 dollars there, and so those are tougher, those are more 649 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,880 complex situations. And is Orlando really a free agency destination 650 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:39,160 they you look at all their salaries, they are these 651 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,119 digestible hits. Not all of them are guaranteed. They did 652 00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:45,519 again KZP guaranteed for not just the season but next season. 653 00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:49,319 But like Gary Harris working on another team option that year, 654 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,480 Ditto for Mo Wagner another team option that year. So 655 00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:59,480 like you still have that flexibility. But the numbers are 656 00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:02,480 so small eleven million dollars, eight million dollars, but that 657 00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:05,640 their digestible and movable salary as expirings, where when it's 658 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,799 bigger money type deals gets just a little bit more complex. 659 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,559 So I can understand Orlando's rationale here, especially if they 660 00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:14,480 don't now because Franz Vadner's cap hold would have been 661 00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:17,039 smaller than Suggs. By the way, because he's drafted after him. 662 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,799 So if you don't have Joen Suggs on the books, 663 00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:21,119 so let's just say he's not on the Magic or 664 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,759 he's not going to be a free agent, then yeah, 665 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:25,279 I'm probably saying, well, then Orlando should have definitely just 666 00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:27,799 worked with Franz's cap hold because they have an easier 667 00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:32,200 path too, flexibility even with KCP on the books. Their situation, again, 668 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,160 it's a little bit more interrictate. But Philly exists as 669 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,440 it is today thanks to Tyre's Maxi, thanks to Rich Paul, 670 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,279 thanks to of course, insane cap management by the Sixers. 671 00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:44,680 But this doesn't happen without the cooperation of Tyre's Maxie, 672 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,319 which apparently didn't happen without the sales pitch. The explanation 673 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,519 from one Rich Paul, who I don't know again, I 674 00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:53,480 can't think of these iconic clients that he has it. 675 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,880 Daryl Morey was referencing, if someone wants to let me 676 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,200 know who Rich Paul represents, I'm just blanking. That would 677 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,720 be considered like better than Tyrese Maxie. 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