Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host,
and this is shaping up to be quite a week
here we have. I've got a lot of housekeeping to
go through right now. I'll just go through it. But
we have three live shows this week and a few
minutes I'll be kicking things off with author, researcher, hypnotherapists,
and the host of the Alien UFO podcast, Simon Boone,
and we'll be discussing his work, his investigations into the
UFO phenomenon, et cetera, and also intriguing aspects on alien
abduction research that he has done as well. So three
days ago, a lot of you know this. Back on
June twelfth days ago, we had under the pursue initiative
of another government UFO file release. This time it includes
fifty three documents, ten images, three NASA audio recordings, and
six new videos depicting ORB like objects. Now I have
seen that a lot of them are pretty interesting. I
can't really be discussing them until we do our news
which is coming up in a couple of weeks. So
we have the UFO headlines and that this time it'll
be a Wednesday, July first they're going to be on
Wednesdays now instead of Thursdays, and I'm pretty excited. Along
with UFO Jack, I have two new co hosts there
on the last time recently, Kelly Hughes and Sam Milo Dragovic,
and they'll be joining us each month on the UFO Headlines.
They'll also be joining me tomorrow night at nine pm
this Wednesday, nine pm Eastern. And what we're going to do,
we're going to switch gears and we're going to have
a special spoiler filled run round table discussion, and the
title of it is what do podcasters think of Steven
Spielberg's Disclosure Day? So that will be tomorrow night at
nine o'clock Eastern right here on the YouTube channel, and
that will go out also on the podcast the audio podcasts.
I do have to tell you it's going to be spoilers.
There's going to be two type of people that would
like to pay attention to that.
Speaker 2: One that want to know what.
Speaker 1: People that look at the UFO topic think about the
movie before they even go and two people that have
already seen it and they're just curious about other people's
aspects of what the movie was. I enjoyed the movie
a lot, and anyway, we'll be talking about that and
also the producer. A lot of people have asked who's Donna,
and I always talk about my producer of Donna, Colleen.
She will be joining us tomorrow night with Kelly, Sam
and Jack.
Speaker 2: Please so join us.
Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about one of the most
talked about UFO films in years. Some people are saying
it's Spielberg's best film in twenty years. You can decide
that on your own. Then on Thursday, eight pm Eastern,
I'll be joined by actor, writer and technological innovator Sam
Amato and we'll discuss his upcoming novel Hidden Powers Disclosure
from Within, and it should be interesting. He has a
real interest in the UFO topic. We're not going to
be just discussing his book, many other things as well,
So check out this blog this week.
Speaker 2: Another blog this week.
Speaker 1: On podcastufo dot Com Charles Lear. This time he's exploring
the history and legacy of the landmark UFO documentary UFO's Past, Present,
and future. The blog examines the film's impact on the
UFO culture, it's connections, and to the famous and Air
Force based UFO landing story that was quite interesting how
that all a lot of people know all about what
happened there it fell apart. So I want to thank
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Speaker 1: Before I jump into tonight's discussion with Simon, I wanted
to share a quick clip from my new playlist on
this YouTube channel. It's called Tesla Takes the Wheel, so
it's a long time technology and enthusiasts. I've really wanted
a Tesla from day one. I started wanting one and
looking at them back in two thousand and eight, I
lived only forty miles away from where they were making
Tesla's in California at that time. After all these years,
I've finally got one and a half to say. It's
one of the most fascinating and entertaining pieces of technology
that I've ever owned. Sometimes I'm impressed, Sometimes it confuses me,
and it just seems like it has a mind of
its own.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to share a clip, and.
Speaker 1: On this one, it shows basically how I'm trying to
confuse Tesla's smart Summon feature. And what's really interesting in
this footage is that it's recorded inside the car and
there's no one behind the wheel.
Speaker 2: Check it out. It's right here.
Speaker 3: I'm going to try to make it a little bit
complicated if I can, to try to find somewhere tricky
within three hundred feet.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I keep actually keep walking while I'm doing this summon,
and then I decide to try something new which I've
never tried before. As it's coming to me, I start
going into a different direction. So you'll see me walking there.
I am right there walking away, and you can also
on the app. Is pretty cool because you can see
the aerial view, plus you can see the front base
and camera.
Speaker 2: So that's it.
Speaker 1: And I realized this type of content isn't for everyone.
That's perfectly fine. If you see one of these videos
pop up on the channel, it's not your cup of teeth,
feel free to skip past it.
Speaker 2: For those who are.
Speaker 1: Interested in the technology and AI and autonomous driving, I've
created a separate playlist and you'll find that link below
down and the audio as well. So the playlist's link
is right there. You can check that out whenever you
would like. Thank you everyone for letting me catch up.
This is an extra long monologue, and I really appreciate
you listening. And here comes our guest, Simon.
Speaker 2: Simon. Welcome.
Speaker 4: Hi's got to be here. After listening to you for
so many years, it's amazing to finally talk to you.
Speaker 2: That's great. I love hearing that.
Speaker 1: And so how did you originally find the podcast? Was
it early on or when you say years, do you
know this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would have been looking for UFO podcasts man.
I'd say it was at least thirteen years ago, maybe
twelve years ago.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's up toward the beginning. So thank you very
much for listening all this time. You're you're a hypnotherapist.
You do regression and past lives and all that type
of thing. Very interesting, and you also have a I
just see behind you. You have seven million views on your
or downloads on your podcast. I don't know what I've not.
I don't know how to count them on mine, and
I switched around all these years, so I don't even
know how it could ever get an accurate number.
Speaker 2: That's impressive.
Speaker 1: So I have to ask you, as I asked most guests,
what started your interest in this topic to begin with?
Speaker 2: In any of it, I've.
Speaker 4: Always been interested as long as I can remember. When
I was ten years old, I'd go to the local
public library and get out books anything supernatural or unexplained.
It could have been Bigfoot or ghosts or UFOs. And
over time, as I got older, it came down to
two different paths, ones about the afterlife and the other
ones about UFOs and the end of the afterlife. Is
It's like an interest in evidence of an afterlife. And
I was reading a lot of books over the years
and getting more and more information on it. And it's
like in the eighties I was reading about Betty Andreson
and Whitley Strieber and Travis Walton. At the same time,
I was going to it's called the College of Psychic
Studies in London, and I wasn't a student there, but
people could go there to learn mediumship and channeling and
past life progressions, and you go there every couple of weeks,
pay a little bit of money and the students could
practice on you. So it wasn't that I was trying
to contact a deceased loved one or something. It was
just investigation, that's going to happen, what will come up.
And then more and more books were around as we
got into the nineties, and then I had a UFO
sighting that was very close up and I had some
psychic flashes i'd call them, and very vivid dreams with things.
And then it got into the two thousands, I did
another UFO sighting, and so it's kind of progressed over time,
and I've become more and more interested in seeing how
the side of consciousness and spiritual stuff made cross over
with a in abduction, because there are little things there
that show a connection. And so it's been a long
road of mostly reading a lot of books because I
started years decades before the Internet was around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: I think I feel I don't know how you feel,
but I feel as though this topic and other topics
around it just make life much more interesting, you know,
I mean the possibilities of what could be. And to me,
it's really changed my life just looking in this one
topic of UFOs. It's really it's been a gift. Great,
it's been a great thing for me.
Speaker 2: But when you.
Speaker 1: Were looking into things like you mentioned, you'd go to
this thing every few weeks or whatever at that time
where you actually hypnotized as well.
Speaker 2: Did they do things like that there?
Speaker 4: Yes, I'd say nineteen eighty seven. It was the first
time I was taking through a past life for Christian
and it was really fascinating. I must be a good
candidate for it because I got straight into this past
life and I had so much detail knowledge and I
was able to find a couple of things from that
past life that were later verified that they were just
basic things, but it was enough for me to say,
there's no way I could have known that, and then
it just came up in a past life regression for
my subconscious. I definitely didn't know this information.
Speaker 2: So interesting. I read Wesley Cane's book.
Speaker 1: I think a surviving gather or something like that that
was really interesting. But not to get off too far
away from the UFO topic. You mentioned two sidings, and
I always loved to hear UFO siding. So let's first
if you would tell us what happened with the first
UFO siding you had.
Speaker 4: I've been gigging in my band in a town just
west of London. I'm a bass player, and it was
a Sunday night. We finished like it's twelve o'clock and
packed up, and I had everything in my car as
one am. I'm driving on this motorway called the M
forty heading into London, and I would commute on that
motorway and I knew it really well. And I saw
up on my left a really bright light over a
field and it's a thing where I thought, that's not right.
There's nothing in that field. It's empty, and I thought
maybe it was emergency works for electricity or something. I
checked my mirrors and there were no other cars on
the road, which was weird, and I slowed down when
I got to the area to maybe five miles an hour,
maybe a little slower even, And then I saw this
craft because there was a flyover or some trees on
the left in the way, and you know, we drive
on the left. And it was shaped like a rugby ball,
about the size of a large house. One half of
the bottom of it was covered in lots of little
like pin spot red lights that were very bright, and
there was a really powerful spotlight coming from the other
end of it towards the ground, and it was completely silent,
didn't move an inch the whole time. It was twenty
five feet off the ground, maybe two hundred feet from me,
and I just slowly drove forward, so I must have
got a good look at it for about thirty seconds,
and I was touching the steering room and then leaning forward,
looking up out of the windscreen. And then I just
increased my speed and went home. And it was last December.
I was taking through a past life progression and I
said to the hypnotist, can you take me back to
that moment when I saw that UFO see if I'm
getting you more information. And then this whole abduction thing
came up, this memory, and it makes me wonder. I
was writing a book at the time about alien abduction,
and then this memory comes up that I was aducted
by aliens. It seems too much of a coincidence, so
I don't know if it's real. But I have discussed
what came up with people who have these experiences, and
all of them said to me, yeah, it's probably definitely
happening to you. I was taken on board the craft
and I found myself with the two grays in this
big room and they took me down a hallway and
we went into the small room with this table low down,
a steel looking table, and I had no kind of
dynamic motion in myself. It was like they controlled me completely.
I was just not delirious, but a little bit foggy,
and they just said take your clothes off and get
on this table. I say. They said that it was telepathic,
and I was lying back on it and pretty much paralyzed,
but I was able to talk, and I remembering this thing.
I was going, stop it, leave me alone, with lots
of foul language I won't say on here. And they
basically said to me, why are you complaining before, for
you know this is necessary. You've done this many times.
And it felt like they were doing maintenance on their equipment,
that they were looking over my body. In the way
that you might put a car and the garage, and
they just checked the oil and the tire temperature. And
it's that my body was the important thing to them,
not who I am. And it's something to do with reproduction,
which comes up in abduction a lot with the hybrid thing.
And then a very tall gray came in and they
leaned over me, so their face was about an inch
from my face, and the big black eyes were over
my eyes, and I could feel it rummaging around in
my brain, looking at my memories, my emotions, my thoughts,
and then it backed off and that was pretty much
the end of the memory, and I was back in
the car driving home.
Speaker 2: Wow, So how did you notice any time?
Speaker 1: Pardon me, I'm sorry. Did you notice any what they
call missing time at the time?
Speaker 4: No, I didn't, and I knew enough to check that
as well. When I got home, I checked the clock. No,
there was no missing time. But I have talked to
people who've had these experiences who have said it seems
that they can bring you back just after they've taken you.
But they can.
Speaker 1: Do all what they can do. It nothing surprises me
if if that is a case. Wow, that's fascinating. So
you had this happen, but you just suppressed the memory,
and the only way that you uncovered it is through
being hypnotized, is what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, or the grays repressed the memory, or maybe I did.
They say your brain will protect itself from trauma by
I did sing out memories.
Speaker 2: Now I have to say, this is another thing.
Speaker 1: This is just me throwing this out there because I've noticed,
and I've talked to so many musicians that have had
either a UFO experience or claim they've been abducted. It
seems like there's a real high percentage of people are musicians.
Speaker 2: Have you ever thought about that?
Speaker 4: I haven't thought about that. No, I think there's something
about creative people, so it might not just be musicians.
Speaker 2: So artist have you?
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a lot of artists too, actually that
I that I've talked to.
Speaker 2: I can think of some right now that have been
on this show.
Speaker 1: And but it occurred to me when I think about
I had four or five weeks in a row where
people were talking about one of the things they did
was music, and then all of a sudden it occurred
to me, and I think it was when the last
one was Eric Mentel, who's a in the UFO world,
and also he's a jazz very well known jazz musician pianist,
And I said, hey, what about all these people that
are musicians that have had sightings? And he says, yeah,
come to think about it. So I think there is
definitely a connection. And I wonder why that is, say
the artist type, that type of brain.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think maybe something to do with being creative.
I don't know if they're interested in people because they're
psychic or in the first place, how do they know
who they want to abduct. It's not like they can
check every single human and see if they're suitable.
Speaker 1: But you think of all the musicians that are popular,
like the Moody Blues that some of the Beatles members,
and it goes on and on. Creeden's Clearwater Revival. I'm
trying to think of John Fogerty. He actually I was
communicating with him one time about being on the show.
I couldn't he just became really busy. But so many
and there's recently there's a singer that's very popular, a woman.
She's on a bunch of news shows right now. I
can't think of her name. I wonder if someone in
chat would mind, if they know who I'm talking about,
would put her name in if you would. But anyway,
so that's another incident that just came out recently. This
woman is talking about famous person, musician talking about having
an encounter.
Speaker 2: There's been many.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I don't want to get stuck on that.
So let's talk about the reason you wrote your book
and some of the things I have some questions for
you and that I've put together here, and I want
to basically focuist not really on the abduction accounts, but
what you realize that instead of just isolated stories, there
are similar elements, similarities, And so what are some of
the similarities that you've looked into that kind of surprised
you the most?
Speaker 2: In all of them?
Speaker 4: I don't have surprise. This is the word. I've been
reading these books for so many years. I don't think
anything surprises me anymore. But I do see consistency. And
it looks like a group of grays are running a program,
and it's very well organized, and they're very efficient, and
they very rarely make mistakes. They do make mistakes, but
it seems to be very rare and So the book
is Aspects of Alien Abduction. I've interviewed so many people
on my podcast that have had these experiences, and so
I use the sort of little bits of transcripts in
each chapter. So there's a chapter about sightings, chapter about
childhood experiences, a chapter about missing time screen images, my
lab healing. And you get like seven or eight people
describing what happened, and I analyze them and comment on
them and have this big introduction at the beginning of
the chapter. And so you see a consistency and a
pattern showing up when you look at it like this,
that there is some stuff that gets really extreme in
a way. We talk sometimes about marks on the body
where people won't wake up with scoop marks or a
little scratches and things. Yeah, a couple in my book
who had terrible stomach injuries and it happened to both
of them on the same night, and that the doctors
gave a full examination of both of them. He couldn't
explain it. And it's that thing of that injury that
there was really cause to them that was really quite
bad for them. And there was another guy who had
a big hole in his heart and the doctor said
we're surprised you alive. Your blood's going straight through your
heart and it's not getting oxygenated enough from your lungs,
and it just goes on and on. So I was
used to reading about those little effects, physical effects, but
when it came to the big ones, it was interesting.
But then I got a chapter on healing, where the
aliens are healing people. So it's that thing of there
are different sets of grays. It seems to be with
different agendas, and a big part of it seems to
be the reproduction thing and the hybrids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what I think about all that.
I've heard about it for years. I can't say that
I have I have to be open minded, but I
just that's one of the things that kind of bothered me.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Why, maybe because I think it's so invasive. But I'm
sure that writing the book changed your own views on
basically abductions. I'm sure you went with all the insight.
Did you already have an idea of it before you
started all the research or is this a lot of
from reading?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because in the nineties I was reading a lot
of books, whether it's Bud Hopkins, David Jacobs, John Mac
and then reading other books that were coming around, and
there were people who are having these experience they started
writing their books, and so I did have really quite
a good in depth understanding of the phenomenon before even
podcasting started, I feel. And then the great thing about
the Internet is these podcasts like yours that have so
much information and it's so easily accessible, so that there's
little things in there that I didn't quite know about
how much healing there was and what was happening with
my lab. And this book is volume one, and I've
got volume two coming out next year because there's so
much information, it was just too big to put in
one book.
Speaker 1: A lot of you have old researchers who follow just
whatever you'd like to call them, focus on craft and technology.
You spend a lot of time basically on the consciousness.
And I actually have a show coming up sometime in
July were it's Harvard or Yale professor or something wanting
to talk about the consciousness connection. I don't have that
firmed up yet, but hopefully that'll be coming up. But
I'm always confused about the consciousness connection. Can you try
to help me understand that a little more?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the thing where it seems like consciousness is
the building blocks of the universe and is connected, and
the grays seem to have such a capacity to control
us and our perception, our consciousness, like editing our memories
and just making us unconscious whenever they want to, those
basic things. And then we see comparisons between people who
had needed experiences and people who had alien abdumptions, where
that the same after effects that they become psychic, or
they're wearing mechanical risk watches and then they working and
electric devices malfunction around them, and then they may have
put little bits of poltergeist activity in their house, which
it seems weird that they're seeing UFOs. Well, there's suddenly
a poltergeist. And you can say the same thing about
somebody who's had a near experience. And I've talked to
a lot of people have had near death experiences as well,
and I've written a book about it. So there seems
to be a connection there between it all where the
ets know about the human race as being more than
just physical and that when we die, our consciousness ceases,
that they are aware of perhaps the afterlife. Talked to
Mike Clelland he wrote the forward for my book, and
and Mike Clelland talks about being on board a craft
and meeting with all these grays and he found himself
in one of their bodies on the craft. He was
a gray, and he was complaining to them, kind of saying,
you didn't tell me how hard it was going to
be to be a human when I agreed to incarnate
into this life. And sev Top said pretty much the
same thing, that she was in that position and complaining
about incarnating as a human. And it was also reminded
me of Bob Lazarre and when he was at S
four and he was given these blue folders about different
projects and the aliens, and they in the folder the humans, sorry,
the aliens referred to the humans as vessels or containers,
and he didn't understand that. But straight away I thought,
maybe they're just referring to our spirit or our soul
or our consciousness, and they're well aware of death and
what happens after death. And then that makes me think
about disclosure, that how much might these people in the
government know about that side of things, and how far
will disclosure go where they get to a point where
they admit they have craft and dead bodies, or they
admit that they have dialogue with eats, and then it
goes even further and they say yes, alien abductions real,
and the step after that is saying, actually, yes, consciousness
continues after we die, there is an afterlife. But I
can't see it going that far. I think the disclosure,
I don't know if they'll even admit they've got craft
and dead bodies. But what's coming out at the moment
is I think a little disappointing. I'm getting off topics.
Speaker 2: Sorry, no, no, not at all.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: I think it's all good, and that'll just help me
segue into next Thursday. A week from this Thursday, on
the twenty fifth, I will be in Washington, DC at
the Disclosure of forum, So that should be really exciting,
and check that out online. There's a lot of great
speakers that will be there and Congress people as well,
so check that out.
Speaker 2: But I feel as though.
Speaker 1: We're in a little bit different time than we have been,
Like a lot of people have been pushing for a disclosure,
and I just feel like things seem a little different
this time because a lot of times I would just say,
oh no, here we go again and nothing's going to happen.
It just feels a little different. But I know you're right,
They're only going to go so far. That's why I
do believe that as well. Here's a question for you
here from Christopher Alexander. Can you talk about the theory?
Let me just try to read that differently than written here.
Can you talk about the theory the event horizon where
et and after life meet.
Speaker 4: It's difficult to say, Okay. I took to a medium
about this. I said, how come when people come to
see you and if you have a sitter and you
get spirits coming through, you never get aliens coming through,
or you never get un dead Uncle George coming through
and saying hey, I've met an alien in the afterlife.
That never happens. And the medium was saying that they
think that the ets they do leave their bodies, and
perhaps they do it at will, and it might even
be a way they move between planets. They've got a
body on Earth, they've got a body forty two light
years away on another planet, and they just switch bodies instantly.
The ediing was saying, there's this idea of vibrations. Mediums say,
are they got to raise their vibrations to be able
to communicate with the spirit world, raise their frequency, and
they think that the ets are on a slightly different
frequency to the human souls and that they don't really
cross over very much. It's very rare that would happen.
So that's the theory of I don't know if it's
a barrier or like you said, event horizon, but it's
to do with the frequency. Whatever that means. The spiritual
side of stuff is confusing as well.
Speaker 1: Frequency. I wonder if there's any relationship to other dimensions
when it comes to frequency. I know that's a weird statement,
but you hear it seems to be like interconnected in
some ways.
Speaker 2: But I don't really know.
Speaker 1: Just this is just a thought I had, because everything
is about vibration, which is frequencies, vibration all a similar
type of thing. Everything's right down to the quantum. I
just feel, as I say many times, we know very little.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but also with the frequency and vibrations, our eyes
are very limited in what light frequencies we can see
in our eas very limited in what we can hear.
So there's a lot more going on around us that
we can't see or hear.
Speaker 1: And one of the questions I had for you is,
do you think they're acting with extra dresserals, interdimensional beings,
something spiritual, or something else entirely, or all of the above.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it could be all of the above. It could
be a multiverse, it could be interdimensional, It could be
a frequency. There could be deceased loved ones in the
room with us right now they say that happens. There
could be grays in the room with this right now,
and just in another phase, they're phased out of our
frequency a little bit. And it's it may be something
that we've never conceived that we use words like interdimensional
and another reality just as placeholders for something else that's
going on. Maybe this idea of dark matter which makes
up a huge chunk of the universe but we can't
detect it. Maybe that we that is the afterlife and
all these other things that are happening around us, and
maybe one day we will be able to detect it.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I had pressing Dennett on He's been on the show
a number of times. He was on last week, and
I know we brought up this discussion, why say two
people can have the same experience but see it entirely different.
Do you think that's all kind of related to what
you're talking about.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I'm not sure if the etes are
controlling what each person sees, because they have screen memories
where they present animals, and maybe they do it with
their craft as well, because there are reports lots of
people will be in a space and some of them
will see something and the others will not see the craft,
and maybe the viewers are selected by the ets. It's
like this idea that perhaps if you see a UFO,
it's because they want you to see them, and it's
for a reason, and it's they've got such technology they
don't need to have their craft covered in bright lights,
just a really bright white light way up in the
sky and then do these crazy maneuvers that's like trying
to attach attention attracts. They can shoot around the sky,
i think, very easily without us seeing them, so they'll
have the lights on when they want to be seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of the number one questions that people
ask me. Why would they have lights? And I've asked
that of other people as well, and someone I asked said,
maybe it has something to do with their the way
they travel, the way they can move or something like that.
But I thought it was an interesting comment. But I
don't know so when you're actually interviewing experiencers, do you
ever feel as though some people may be influenced by books, movies,
social media or hypnosis or how do you separate the
gene you think is genuine experiences from people who may
be influenced.
Speaker 4: I find if people have had these experiences, tend to
be have humility, and they're quite spoken, and they're intelligent,
and they don't seem at all like they're hoaxing it
or they're they're confabulating, like they believe it's true but
it didn't happen, or that it's a fantasy, or maybe psychosis.
They just seem to be very ordinary people, just like me,
and they tell talk about these things that have happened
to them, and between all these different people you see
all this consistency. I think it's interesting that the Grays
appeared at a certain time because before that people would
report all sorts of occupants of the craft, wouldn't they
like the pasca goula aliens very different to any anything else,
And you might hear about small elf like creatures or
creatures that almost something out of Star Wars, where they
were in the hoods and all sorts of shapes. And
then it seemed the eighties the grays became more and
more prevalent, and now it's mostly what people see. And
there's one guy I talked to who said that the
gray said to him, this is not what we look
like where we come from. We don't have a physical form.
What you see of us here is what you imprint
upon us with your consciousness. And also there's the thing
with grays and maybe the Nordics of reptilians and mantis
beings as well, that they're all shaped like us, with
the head and two arms and two legs and a body.
And biology says that if they evolved in another planet,
they could be a very different shape to us. So
why are they the same as us? And how come
they seem to be able to operate in our atmosphere
that the hair pressure is not too much, They can
breathe the air, they don't seem to catch it, you
know from it. I was just going to say, yeah, yeah,
gravity is not too much for them.
Speaker 1: I've thought about all these things over the years. Yeah,
we've seen enough movies where a virus knocks out the
aliens that try to invade, all the way back from
the War of the World, the early one in the thirties.
It really is something when you think about it that way,
and how they can communicate to all the different languages
and whatever. There's a lot to it. Such a puzzle
all the way through. Really makes you wonder. So someone
wanted to know if you've ever had Graham Birdsall's UFO
government document packs. Do you know what that he's talking about? No,
I haven't, I haven't known, but do you know what.
Speaker 4: It might be about? In Britain, the government here released
its UFO files years ago in the nineties. London. Yeah,
and there's a place in West London that's called the
National Archive, and anybody can go in there and get
these files off the shelf and read them. I think
they might be quite difficult to find, but maybe that's
what he's referring to, those sort of files.
Speaker 2: I see. Okay, So thank you.
Speaker 1: I forgot to say hello to everyone in chat, thank
you for being here. And also if you do pose
a question, please put it in caps so I don't
miss it. So I guess you said you have enough
for another book. Is it going to be almost the
same but just with different accounts.
Speaker 4: No, it's there's twenty different aspects that I cover, So
there's ten in this book, and there'll be ten in
the next book, so it'll be a completely different set
of information.
Speaker 2: I got it, Okay.
Speaker 1: So if what you're you write about in what you think?
If this phenomenon is real, there's abductions, what would you
think the ultimate purpose? Do you think it's? You mentioned
possibly reproduction? Is that what you think this is all about?
Speaker 4: Some of it? Yeah, going back to Bob Lazare, he
said he read in the folder that the ets of
edited human DNA sixty five times, and maybe that's not
true what he was reading, but the idea of it
is out there, isn't it in the UFO world that
perhaps they came hundreds millions of years ago and they
guided our evolution in some way, and maybe they're just
halfway through that process, and there's the hybrids are part
of that program, and it may run for another two
or three thousand years and gradually it's upgrading us. There
is this idea that the Earth is a dark place,
it's very violent, and our human race is understanding of
what we really are, is very inasmuch as there spirits
having a human experience, not humans having a spiritual experience,
and that these lives are very fleeting, but our consciousness continues,
and all the planets are connected in some kind of
web throughout the universe something to do with consciousness. And
if there's one that's really dark and nasty, like the Earth,
it's affecting the others around it through the web, and
so there's an effort to raise the planet in some way.
But that might be an a gender and a target
for some of the ets that people encounter, but for
other etes, they don't seem to be really caring about that,
and they're just a bit nasty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we could use the little raising up, that's for sure.
One of the things that comes up in your book
a lot. In I'm sure that anyone that feels as
though they're having whatever you want to call it, experiences
or being abducted is the y me question. Did you
have anything or hear of anything convincing to that question?
Speaker 4: The first thing that comes to mind is this idea
of it's following family lines. And there are people I've
talked to who said the Grays told them that they
picked up their great grandparents and they work with their
grandparents and then their parents and they find something in
this line of DNA that's really useful for them. And
a couple of people have said to me things like
there was a woman when she got to be her
late teens, she finally opened up to her grandmother and
told her what was happening with the Grays of dutting her,
and her grandmother said, oh, yeah, that's just the pixes.
They always bring you back, don't worry. And another woman
asked her grandmother, why are the windows in your house
nailed down, these big heavy nails holding all the windows closed,
and she said, there are monsters out there, And you
think a normal, sane woman wouldn't actually nail windows down
unless she really thought there was something happening to her
and she was trying to protect herself. So that thing
of why me, it's like earlier. It's a lot of
people I talked to have these childhood experiences when they're
four or five years old, and it's that thought they
can't check every single child to see who's suitable. So
maybe it's linked to the something else people talk about
Reese's negative blood, and maybe it's because these people are
slightly psychic and that's how they spot them. Or it's
like that thing with Mike Clinton and sev Toalk where
people agree to it before they're born to be incarnated
as a human. So that's something that came up in
my hypnosis that session I talked about earlier. He said
to me, can you go back to the first time
you've met these grays? And I saw myself as maybe
six months or a year old, standing up in this
playpen and there were three grades standing above looking down
on me. And I don't know why I said this,
but I just said to the hypnotist, they've come to
check that my soul has properly meshed with my body
to make sure everything's working. Okay. So there's some different
ideas there, but it's like that thing you get tons
of knowledge and different ideas, but you don't have an answer.
You can't say for sure what it is.
Speaker 1: So we're getting close to the end of our show here.
What do you think the UFO community has in general
wrong about yaeling the abductions?
Speaker 2: When you talk to people.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they've got much wrong. I think
there are people who are more interested in the craft
and disclosure than they are interested in alien abduction. That's
fair enough. With my podcast, I'll hardly ever cover disclosure.
It's almost all about people's personal experiences. It's what I'm
really interested in. So getting wrong about it, I don't know.
There's been so many years that I've known about it.
Is there's the thing that abductees or who are experiencing
this are picked up regularly, seemingly, starting in childhood and
going right through to when they're fifty sixty years old.
And it can be the thing where they've picked up
two or three times a week, and then it may
be two or three times a year, and then it'll
get intense again. So I don't know how many people
realize that it's not like Betty and Barney Hill. It's
a one off thing. The UFO might have seen the
car and thought, hey, let's go and check out those
two guys down there. And it's not experimental. They're not
scientists doing research. They know exactly what they're doing. They
don't need to do research on the human body. So yeah,
that's what i'd say there.
Speaker 1: So you just have talked about you've interviewed hundreds of experiencers.
Do you still all here are things that surprise you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I said earlier, I've heard a lot of stuff.
Something nothing really surprises me. I had interviewed fifty or
sixty people who've had these experiences. There was one guy
who woke up in the UFO who was awake for
just a few seconds, terrible pain in his arm, and
he was able to move a little bit and look
over to the side and there was a tall gray
with a small table, and his arm was on the table.
They'd cut his arm off, and it seemed like the
gray was picking bone marrow out of his bones. And
he woke up the next morning and his arms reattached
and there's no scar. But it was very painful, and
they came back once a week for three or four
weeks afterwards to do after care to help him get
the movement back in his arm. I talked to a
guy called Steve Neil. He had an X ray and
they asked him when he had broken his arm. He said,
I've never broken my arm. He said the dots and
the radiologists got quite annoyed with him because they thought
he was lying. And the X ray showed a break,
but it was a perfect straight line. The laser had
cut through it. And when you break a bone, it
kind of shutters and splinters. It's never a really neat
cut across it. No, So yeah, that's sort of Thing's interesting,
these new things that are showing up for me.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, maybe this is a little personal,
but do you have friends and family that you were
able to talk about this with freely or are you
like me and have some family members that kind of
turn away when you talk about it.
Speaker 4: My older brother, if I bring it up, he'd straight away, no,
shut up, shut up, you're freaking me out. I don't
want to hear it. I can talk to my wife
and my daughters about it, and my other brother. And
also I think about all the people I talked to
in the eighties, the people I knew then I talked
to them about UFOs and they must have thought I
was crazy. But now with all the disclosure stuff, they
might be thinking, ah, hang on second, so I'm sure it.
Speaker 1: Yes, I have to tell you, I've had a few
people contact me with the longtime friends from way back.
One was a childhood friend. Just the other day, it said, Hey,
I just saw all this stuff about UFOs and the news,
what's about the files being released? And so that is
getting people's attention. And I think that website has something
like a billion and a half views, which is really crazy.
And as I mentioned earlier, I'm going to have the
UFO headlines July first on a Wednesday, and we're going
to be talking about all that and a lot more.
If someone thinks that they're having an abduction experience and
they're really afraid, if they're listening right now, what would
you tell them they should do.
Speaker 4: There are a small number of groups online that are
for people who are having these experiences, and you can
connect with other people and they have multiple people on
zoom calls, so it's like a support and I think
it can be really good to find people who are
having the same experience as you, because they can really
understand you. There's Steve Neil's got a YouTube channel called
Breaking the Silence, and he does that. He talks all
this alien abduction stuff and he runs these type presumed
calls for experiences. Also to listen to podcasts, read books
like my one, and also maybe go to a hypnotist.
It's a thing where you'd want to find a hypnotherapist
who knows what they're doing, who knows about the phenomenon,
and knows a lot about the phenomenon, and doesn't think
you're crazy because you're talking about it. But also be
aware that if you get hypnotized, things might come up
that are traumatic, and so think carefully about it. Do
you really want to do that? That's the sort of
advice i'd give.
Speaker 1: I'm friends with the Randall Nickerson, who did a really
nice film on the area of phenomenon, and it's funny.
We're friends for a long time, and all of a sudden,
I saw this thing on UFOs and abductions experiencers, and
there's a young Randall Nickerson on the Oprah Show with
his sister and it's WHOA. So I called him up
and what's this? And we had a conversation. So he
has told me that he's gone to a lot of
groups where it's very much like a support group. I
remember one of them is in Providence, Rhode Island. He
was telling me about it.
Speaker 2: So it is helpful.
Speaker 1: And I can imagine anyone having these experiencers, I wouldn't
even know how to function in life, and I would
definitely need some support. So if you're listening, you feel
like this is happening. And I think a lot of
people just think they're crazy. When John Mack has said,
these people are not crazy, they are having this experience
of some kind. And Harvard train Professors psychiatrists is saying that,
and he almost lost his tenure. I believe he had
some real problems with that. Here's another question from your
side of the pond, Tony, thank you for being here.
Might be being practiced on by these beings under the
direction of their seniors. Could this have been going on
for millennia?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it could have been going on for millennia, and
that's that's a good thought.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 4: I suppose in a hospital that they rely on people
donating their bodies for medical research and the students can
practice on the bodies. Maybe it's that kind of thing
that they want the short grace to practice on something.
So they bring them here and say we'll pick up
humans and you do feel your practice on them, and
then that hope you pass your exams.
Speaker 1: Okay, if there's any other questions from chat, so, where
can someone get your I know the book I'm having
linked below, but in general, can people get in touch
with you that want to tell you what their experiences are.
Speaker 2: Is that something you're interested in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been recently having more people contact me to
for hypnosis to examine possible UFO encounters. My website is
simon bound dot com.
Speaker 1: You can see your name. I pronounce your name wrong.
I apologize for that now.
Speaker 4: That's okay, and people often call me Brown. So it's
simon bound dot com and on there. This got my books,
my podcasts, and my hypnotherapy. My podcasts are the Alien
UFO Podcast and Our Paranormal Afterlife, and I've released over
nine hundred episodes. But also if you're interested in having
hypnosis for this, you can go onto my website and
get into my calendar and book a call. I'll do
a twenty minute call free of charge and we can
discuss what you're trying to achieve with the hypnotherapy and regression. Excellent.
Speaker 1: That's really a nice thing you're offering there, and I
wish you all the luck. There's people commenting someone just
about John Max's book. There was have you looked into
some of the things that he did? I know you
mentioned Bud Hawkins. Oh, I do believe you did mention
John mac Yeah, he was really.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a very interesting clever guy.
Speaker 1: Acts very So can connections be made through hypnosis that
were not there prior?
Speaker 4: What if you mean? It's like I've had people say
they remember when they were young, waking up, I'm perhaps
seeing a four foot tall owl standing in the middle
of their bedroom. That's all they remember. Yeah, and so
they asked, can you, you know, take me back and
recover anything else that happened there. That's what we do
in the regression, and it's the thing where I can
take people back to that kind of space and then
I use very simple language because I can't do any
leading or suggestion. So it's basically asking questions like, Okay,
what happened next? Well, how do you feel? Rather than
give them any sort of okay, now, what's on the
other side of the craft, Bud Hopkins would say to them, Oh,
there's usually a man there in a yellow shirt. You
see the man in the yellow shirt.
Speaker 1: I know someone that kind of said something that to
me about that. Yeah, it's like he was reading a
little bit.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Yeah, he can't.
Speaker 4: Test them because if they said, yes, I do see
the man in the yellow shirt, that tells him that
they're very suggestible and that they can have false memories
coming up. And I see, that's the thing with memories
and hypnosis. I've got all these things that came up
that look like alien abduction experiences. I got no conscious memories.
So really, I feel fundamentally it didn't happen, even though
experiences are telling me, yeah, it probably did happen.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm sorry because I kind of stepped over
you on that.
Speaker 2: So you're saying that Bud Hopkins was checking to.
Speaker 1: See if these people were impressionable, and that's why he
would say the men and the yell shirt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a test to see if they said, yeah,
I see it.
Speaker 1: Because unfortunately, a lot of hypnotherapists do lead questions and
so that is tricky and you can't really get good
information that way.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, yeah, it's you got to get to
somebody who knows what they're doing with that side of things.
I got trained as a clinical hypnotherapist and got a diploma,
and that was nine months of college. And there are
some people who can get some kind of hypnotherapy diploma
from just one weekend's training. You know, you've got to
find the right people for it.
Speaker 2: That's right, and thank you so much. Simon.
Speaker 1: It's been and I'm sorry pronounce your last name wrong.
It's right, so yeah, bound bound that's how you say it, yes, Simon, Yeah,
thank you so much. Has been a real pleasure and
thanks for listening to the show for a long time.
Speaker 4: No, it's great, I enjoy it. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: You bet all right, you take care.
Speaker 1: Cheers as they say yes bye bye. Okay, So everyone
will be back next week with Reestalton the Morgan from Australia.
That's going to be a pre recorded show, don't forget.
Tomorrow night here at nine pm Eastern, we're going to
be talking about Disclosure Day. There's going to be a
panel of five of us and so please check that
out starting at nine and it's a live show as well,
and I want to thank you all in chat everyone
for your questions and everything. Thursday, I'm going to be
here with sal Aramato, so.
Speaker 2: Check that out. That's at eight pm.
Speaker 1: And just so that was our guest tonight was on
at one to two o'clock in the morning, and so
you also, Tony, thank you for being here. Also, I
wanted to say, I will be driving up to Washington,
DC next Thursday. You're going to have to look to
see if there's clips or a show that night. I'm
not really going to be able to know until later on,
so it's all on the fly. But anyway, I thank
you all for being here very much and we'll see
you soon. In remember to keep your eyes to the sky.