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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host,

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and this is shaping up to be quite a week

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here we have. I've got a lot of housekeeping to

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go through right now. I'll just go through it. But

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we have three live shows this week and a few

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minutes I'll be kicking things off with author, researcher, hypnotherapists,

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and the host of the Alien UFO podcast, Simon Boone,

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and we'll be discussing his work, his investigations into the

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UFO phenomenon, et cetera, and also intriguing aspects on alien

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abduction research that he has done as well. So three

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days ago, a lot of you know this. Back on

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June twelfth days ago, we had under the pursue initiative

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of another government UFO file release. This time it includes

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fifty three documents, ten images, three NASA audio recordings, and

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six new videos depicting ORB like objects. Now I have

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seen that a lot of them are pretty interesting. I

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can't really be discussing them until we do our news

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which is coming up in a couple of weeks. So

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we have the UFO headlines and that this time it'll

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be a Wednesday, July first they're going to be on

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Wednesdays now instead of Thursdays, and I'm pretty excited. Along

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with UFO Jack, I have two new co hosts there

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on the last time recently, Kelly Hughes and Sam Milo Dragovic,

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and they'll be joining us each month on the UFO Headlines.

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They'll also be joining me tomorrow night at nine pm

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this Wednesday, nine pm Eastern. And what we're going to do,

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we're going to switch gears and we're going to have

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a special spoiler filled run round table discussion, and the

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title of it is what do podcasters think of Steven

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Spielberg's Disclosure Day? So that will be tomorrow night at

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nine o'clock Eastern right here on the YouTube channel, and

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that will go out also on the podcast the audio podcasts.

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I do have to tell you it's going to be spoilers.

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There's going to be two type of people that would

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like to pay attention to that.

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Speaker 2: One that want to know what.

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Speaker 1: People that look at the UFO topic think about the

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movie before they even go and two people that have

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already seen it and they're just curious about other people's

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aspects of what the movie was. I enjoyed the movie

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a lot, and anyway, we'll be talking about that and

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also the producer. A lot of people have asked who's Donna,

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and I always talk about my producer of Donna, Colleen.

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She will be joining us tomorrow night with Kelly, Sam

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and Jack.

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Speaker 2: Please so join us.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about one of the most

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talked about UFO films in years. Some people are saying

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it's Spielberg's best film in twenty years. You can decide

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that on your own. Then on Thursday, eight pm Eastern,

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I'll be joined by actor, writer and technological innovator Sam

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Amato and we'll discuss his upcoming novel Hidden Powers Disclosure

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from Within, and it should be interesting. He has a

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real interest in the UFO topic. We're not going to

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be just discussing his book, many other things as well,

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So check out this blog this week.

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Speaker 2: Another blog this week.

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Speaker 1: On podcastufo dot Com Charles Lear. This time he's exploring

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the history and legacy of the landmark UFO documentary UFO's Past, Present,

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and future. The blog examines the film's impact on the

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UFO culture, it's connections, and to the famous and Air

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Force based UFO landing story that was quite interesting how

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that all a lot of people know all about what

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happened there it fell apart. So I want to thank

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everyone for watching and listening, and thanks to those who

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support the show, and I gues so for the people

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who are over on Spotify and they're always talking about

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why can't we get AD free since we pay premium,

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the podcast just goes into Spotify like that. However, I

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found out that I could upload AD free video podcasts,

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so I will be doing that. I'm not going to

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be doing it every week, but I'll be doing it

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when it's convenient enough, so keep an eye out for that.

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as two dollars a month for an AD free audio

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podcast experience, please help us out at a.

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Speaker 2: Patreon and the link is below.

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Speaker 1: Before I jump into tonight's discussion with Simon, I wanted

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to share a quick clip from my new playlist on

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this YouTube channel. It's called Tesla Takes the Wheel, so

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it's a long time technology and enthusiasts. I've really wanted

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a Tesla from day one. I started wanting one and

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looking at them back in two thousand and eight, I

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lived only forty miles away from where they were making

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Tesla's in California at that time. After all these years,

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I've finally got one and a half to say. It's

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one of the most fascinating and entertaining pieces of technology

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that I've ever owned. Sometimes I'm impressed, Sometimes it confuses me,

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and it just seems like it has a mind of

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to share a clip, and.

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Speaker 1: On this one, it shows basically how I'm trying to

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confuse Tesla's smart Summon feature. And what's really interesting in

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this footage is that it's recorded inside the car and

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there's no one behind the wheel.

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Speaker 2: Check it out. It's right here.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to try to make it a little bit

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complicated if I can, to try to find somewhere tricky

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within three hundred feet.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I keep actually keep walking while I'm doing this summon,

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and then I decide to try something new which I've

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never tried before. As it's coming to me, I start

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going into a different direction. So you'll see me walking there.

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I am right there walking away, and you can also

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on the app. Is pretty cool because you can see

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the aerial view, plus you can see the front base

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Speaker 2: So that's it.

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Speaker 1: And I realized this type of content isn't for everyone.

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That's perfectly fine. If you see one of these videos

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pop up on the channel, it's not your cup of teeth,

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feel free to skip past it.

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Speaker 2: For those who are.

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Speaker 1: Interested in the technology and AI and autonomous driving, I've

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created a separate playlist and you'll find that link below

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down and the audio as well. So the playlist's link

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is right there. You can check that out whenever you

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would like. Thank you everyone for letting me catch up.

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This is an extra long monologue, and I really appreciate

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you listening. And here comes our guest, Simon.

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Speaker 2: Simon. Welcome.

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Speaker 4: Hi's got to be here. After listening to you for

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so many years, it's amazing to finally talk to you.

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Speaker 2: That's great. I love hearing that.

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Speaker 1: And so how did you originally find the podcast? Was

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it early on or when you say years, do you

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know this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would have been looking for UFO podcasts man.

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twelve years ago.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's up toward the beginning. So thank you very

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much for listening all this time. You're you're a hypnotherapist.

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of thing. Very interesting, and you also have a I

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just see behind you. You have seven million views on your

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or downloads on your podcast. I don't know what I've not.

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I don't know how to count them on mine, and

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I switched around all these years, so I don't even

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know how it could ever get an accurate number.

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Speaker 2: That's impressive.

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Speaker 1: So I have to ask you, as I asked most guests,

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Speaker 4: Always been interested as long as I can remember. When

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public library and get out books anything supernatural or unexplained.

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two different paths, ones about the afterlife and the other

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ones about UFOs and the end of the afterlife. Is

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people could go there to learn mediumship and channeling and

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past life progressions, and you go there every couple of weeks,

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pay a little bit of money and the students could

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practice on you. So it wasn't that I was trying

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to contact a deceased loved one or something. It was

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sighting that was very close up and I had some

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psychic flashes i'd call them, and very vivid dreams with things.

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another UFO sighting, and so it's kind of progressed over time,

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and I've become more and more interested in seeing how

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the side of consciousness and spiritual stuff made cross over

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with a in abduction, because there are little things there

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that show a connection. And so it's been a long

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Speaker 1: I think I feel I don't know how you feel,

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around it just make life much more interesting, you know,

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Speaker 1: Were looking into things like you mentioned, you'd go to

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'd say nineteen eighty seven. It was the first

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time I was taking through a past life for Christian

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and it was really fascinating. I must be a good

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candidate for it because I got straight into this past

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life and I had so much detail knowledge and I

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past life that were later verified that they were just

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basic things, but it was enough for me to say,

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there's no way I could have known that, and then

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Speaker 2: So interesting. I read Wesley Cane's book.

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was really interesting. But not to get off too far

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away from the UFO topic. You mentioned two sidings, and

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if you would tell us what happened with the first

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UFO siding you had.

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Speaker 4: I've been gigging in my band in a town just

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west of London. I'm a bass player, and it was

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a Sunday night. We finished like it's twelve o'clock and

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motorway and I knew it really well. And I saw

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the road, which was weird, and I slowed down when

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maybe a little slower even, And then I saw this

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craft because there was a flyover or some trees on

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the left in the way, and you know, we drive

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on the left. And it was shaped like a rugby ball,

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about the size of a large house. One half of

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the bottom of it was covered in lots of little

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like pin spot red lights that were very bright, and

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end of it towards the ground, and it was completely silent,

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didn't move an inch the whole time. It was twenty

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five feet off the ground, maybe two hundred feet from me,

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got a good look at it for about thirty seconds,

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looking up out of the windscreen. And then I just

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said to the hypnotist, can you take me back to

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that moment when I saw that UFO see if I'm

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getting you more information. And then this whole abduction thing

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was writing a book at the time about alien abduction,

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and then this memory comes up that I was aducted

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by aliens. It seems too much of a coincidence, so

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I don't know if it's real. But I have discussed

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what came up with people who have these experiences, and

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all of them said to me, yeah, it's probably definitely

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happening to you. I was taken on board the craft

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and I found myself with the two grays in this

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big room and they took me down a hallway and

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we went into the small room with this table low down,

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a steel looking table, and I had no kind of

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dynamic motion in myself. It was like they controlled me completely.

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and they just said take your clothes off and get

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on this table. I say. They said that it was telepathic,

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and I was lying back on it and pretty much paralyzed,

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but I was able to talk, and I remembering this thing.

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I was going, stop it, leave me alone, with lots

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of foul language I won't say on here. And they

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basically said to me, why are you complaining before, for

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you know this is necessary. You've done this many times.

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that they were looking over my body. In the way

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that you might put a car and the garage, and

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they just checked the oil and the tire temperature. And

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it's that my body was the important thing to them,

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not who I am. And it's something to do with reproduction,

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which comes up in abduction a lot with the hybrid thing.

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leaned over me, so their face was about an inch

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from my face, and the big black eyes were over

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my eyes, and I could feel it rummaging around in

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my brain, looking at my memories, my emotions, my thoughts,

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and then it backed off and that was pretty much

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the end of the memory, and I was back in

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Speaker 2: Wow, So how did you notice any time?

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Speaker 1: Pardon me, I'm sorry. Did you notice any what they

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call missing time at the time?

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Speaker 4: No, I didn't, and I knew enough to check that

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as well. When I got home, I checked the clock. No,

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there was no missing time. But I have talked to

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people who've had these experiences who have said it seems

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that they can bring you back just after they've taken you.

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But they can.

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Speaker 1: Do all what they can do. It nothing surprises me

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if if that is a case. Wow, that's fascinating. So

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you had this happen, but you just suppressed the memory,

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and the only way that you uncovered it is through

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being hypnotized, is what you're saying.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, or the grays repressed the memory, or maybe I did.

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They say your brain will protect itself from trauma by

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I did sing out memories.

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Speaker 2: Now I have to say, this is another thing.

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Speaker 1: This is just me throwing this out there because I've noticed,

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and I've talked to so many musicians that have had

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either a UFO experience or claim they've been abducted. It

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seems like there's a real high percentage of people are musicians.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever thought about that?

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Speaker 4: I haven't thought about that. No, I think there's something

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about creative people, so it might not just be musicians.

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Speaker 2: So artist have you?

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Speaker 1: But yeah, there's a lot of artists too, actually that

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I that I've talked to.

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Speaker 2: I can think of some right now that have been

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on this show.

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Speaker 1: And but it occurred to me when I think about

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I had four or five weeks in a row where

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people were talking about one of the things they did

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was music, and then all of a sudden it occurred

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to me, and I think it was when the last

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one was Eric Mentel, who's a in the UFO world,

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and also he's a jazz very well known jazz musician pianist,

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are musicians that have had sightings? And he says, yeah,

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come to think about it. So I think there is

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definitely a connection. And I wonder why that is, say

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the artist type, that type of brain.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I think maybe something to do with being creative.

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I don't know if they're interested in people because they're

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psychic or in the first place, how do they know

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who they want to abduct. It's not like they can

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check every single human and see if they're suitable.

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Speaker 1: But you think of all the musicians that are popular,

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like the Moody Blues that some of the Beatles members,

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and it goes on and on. Creeden's Clearwater Revival. I'm

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trying to think of John Fogerty. He actually I was

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communicating with him one time about being on the show.

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I couldn't he just became really busy. But so many

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and there's recently there's a singer that's very popular, a woman.

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can't think of her name. I wonder if someone in

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chat would mind, if they know who I'm talking about,

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would put her name in if you would. But anyway,

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so that's another incident that just came out recently. This

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woman is talking about famous person, musician talking about having

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an encounter.

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Speaker 2: There's been many.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, I don't want to get stuck on that.

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So let's talk about the reason you wrote your book

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and some of the things I have some questions for

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you and that I've put together here, and I want

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to basically focuist not really on the abduction accounts, but

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what you realize that instead of just isolated stories, there

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are similar elements, similarities, And so what are some of

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the similarities that you've looked into that kind of surprised

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you the most?

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Speaker 2: In all of them?

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Speaker 4: I don't have surprise. This is the word. I've been

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reading these books for so many years. I don't think

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anything surprises me anymore. But I do see consistency. And

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it looks like a group of grays are running a program,

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and it's very well organized, and they're very efficient, and

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they very rarely make mistakes. They do make mistakes, but

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it seems to be very rare and So the book

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is Aspects of Alien Abduction. I've interviewed so many people

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on my podcast that have had these experiences, and so

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I use the sort of little bits of transcripts in

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each chapter. So there's a chapter about sightings, chapter about

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childhood experiences, a chapter about missing time screen images, my

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lab healing. And you get like seven or eight people

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describing what happened, and I analyze them and comment on

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them and have this big introduction at the beginning of

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the chapter. And so you see a consistency and a

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pattern showing up when you look at it like this,

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that there is some stuff that gets really extreme in

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a way. We talk sometimes about marks on the body

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where people won't wake up with scoop marks or a

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little scratches and things. Yeah, a couple in my book

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who had terrible stomach injuries and it happened to both

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of them on the same night, and that the doctors

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gave a full examination of both of them. He couldn't

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explain it. And it's that thing of that injury that

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there was really cause to them that was really quite

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bad for them. And there was another guy who had

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a big hole in his heart and the doctor said

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we're surprised you alive. Your blood's going straight through your

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heart and it's not getting oxygenated enough from your lungs,

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and it just goes on and on. So I was

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used to reading about those little effects, physical effects, but

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when it came to the big ones, it was interesting.

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But then I got a chapter on healing, where the

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aliens are healing people. So it's that thing of there

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are different sets of grays. It seems to be with

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different agendas, and a big part of it seems to

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be the reproduction thing and the hybrids.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what I think about all that.

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I've heard about it for years. I can't say that

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I have I have to be open minded, but I

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just that's one of the things that kind of bothered me.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Why, maybe because I think it's so invasive. But I'm

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sure that writing the book changed your own views on

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basically abductions. I'm sure you went with all the insight.

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Did you already have an idea of it before you

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started all the research or is this a lot of

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from reading?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because in the nineties I was reading a lot

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of books, whether it's Bud Hopkins, David Jacobs, John Mac

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and then reading other books that were coming around, and

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there were people who are having these experience they started

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writing their books, and so I did have really quite

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a good in depth understanding of the phenomenon before even

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podcasting started, I feel. And then the great thing about

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the Internet is these podcasts like yours that have so

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much information and it's so easily accessible, so that there's

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little things in there that I didn't quite know about

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how much healing there was and what was happening with

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my lab. And this book is volume one, and I've

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got volume two coming out next year because there's so

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much information, it was just too big to put in

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one book.

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Speaker 1: A lot of you have old researchers who follow just

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whatever you'd like to call them, focus on craft and technology.

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You spend a lot of time basically on the consciousness.

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And I actually have a show coming up sometime in

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July were it's Harvard or Yale professor or something wanting

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to talk about the consciousness connection. I don't have that

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firmed up yet, but hopefully that'll be coming up. But

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I'm always confused about the consciousness connection. Can you try

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to help me understand that a little more?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the thing where it seems like consciousness is

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the building blocks of the universe and is connected, and

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the grays seem to have such a capacity to control

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us and our perception, our consciousness, like editing our memories

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and just making us unconscious whenever they want to, those

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basic things. And then we see comparisons between people who

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had needed experiences and people who had alien abdumptions, where

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that the same after effects that they become psychic, or

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they're wearing mechanical risk watches and then they working and

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electric devices malfunction around them, and then they may have

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put little bits of poltergeist activity in their house, which

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it seems weird that they're seeing UFOs. Well, there's suddenly

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a poltergeist. And you can say the same thing about

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somebody who's had a near experience. And I've talked to

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a lot of people have had near death experiences as well,

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and I've written a book about it. So there seems

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to be a connection there between it all where the

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ets know about the human race as being more than

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just physical and that when we die, our consciousness ceases,

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that they are aware of perhaps the afterlife. Talked to

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Mike Clelland he wrote the forward for my book, and

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and Mike Clelland talks about being on board a craft

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and meeting with all these grays and he found himself

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in one of their bodies on the craft. He was

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a gray, and he was complaining to them, kind of saying,

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you didn't tell me how hard it was going to

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be to be a human when I agreed to incarnate

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into this life. And sev Top said pretty much the

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same thing, that she was in that position and complaining

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about incarnating as a human. And it was also reminded

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me of Bob Lazarre and when he was at S

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four and he was given these blue folders about different

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projects and the aliens, and they in the folder the humans, sorry,

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the aliens referred to the humans as vessels or containers,

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and he didn't understand that. But straight away I thought,

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maybe they're just referring to our spirit or our soul

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or our consciousness, and they're well aware of death and

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what happens after death. And then that makes me think

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about disclosure, that how much might these people in the

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government know about that side of things, and how far

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will disclosure go where they get to a point where

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they admit they have craft and dead bodies, or they

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admit that they have dialogue with eats, and then it

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goes even further and they say yes, alien abductions real,

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and the step after that is saying, actually, yes, consciousness

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continues after we die, there is an afterlife. But I

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can't see it going that far. I think the disclosure,

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I don't know if they'll even admit they've got craft

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and dead bodies. But what's coming out at the moment

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is I think a little disappointing. I'm getting off topics.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, no, no, not at all.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 1: I think it's all good, and that'll just help me

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segue into next Thursday. A week from this Thursday, on

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the twenty fifth, I will be in Washington, DC at

480
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,480
the Disclosure of forum, So that should be really exciting,

481
00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:56,319
and check that out online. There's a lot of great

482
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,880
speakers that will be there and Congress people as well,

483
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:01,759
so check that out.

484
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: But I feel as though.

485
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: We're in a little bit different time than we have been,

486
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,319
Like a lot of people have been pushing for a disclosure,

487
00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:15,400
and I just feel like things seem a little different

488
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,079
this time because a lot of times I would just say,

489
00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:20,759
oh no, here we go again and nothing's going to happen.

490
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,440
It just feels a little different. But I know you're right,

491
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,559
They're only going to go so far. That's why I

492
00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:30,079
do believe that as well. Here's a question for you

493
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:35,799
here from Christopher Alexander. Can you talk about the theory?

494
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,839
Let me just try to read that differently than written here.

495
00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:43,200
Can you talk about the theory the event horizon where

496
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,880
et and after life meet.

497
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 4: It's difficult to say, Okay. I took to a medium

498
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:54,880
about this. I said, how come when people come to

499
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,319
see you and if you have a sitter and you

500
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,920
get spirits coming through, you never get aliens coming through,

501
00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:05,000
or you never get un dead Uncle George coming through

502
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:07,400
and saying hey, I've met an alien in the afterlife.

503
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:11,160
That never happens. And the medium was saying that they

504
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,119
think that the ets they do leave their bodies, and

505
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,200
perhaps they do it at will, and it might even

506
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,519
be a way they move between planets. They've got a

507
00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:22,839
body on Earth, they've got a body forty two light

508
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,160
years away on another planet, and they just switch bodies instantly.

509
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,920
The ediing was saying, there's this idea of vibrations. Mediums say,

510
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,759
are they got to raise their vibrations to be able

511
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:38,319
to communicate with the spirit world, raise their frequency, and

512
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:42,079
they think that the ets are on a slightly different

513
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:47,480
frequency to the human souls and that they don't really

514
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:51,759
cross over very much. It's very rare that would happen.

515
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,359
So that's the theory of I don't know if it's

516
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:58,440
a barrier or like you said, event horizon, but it's

517
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:03,720
to do with the frequency. Whatever that means. The spiritual

518
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:05,680
side of stuff is confusing as well.

519
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:13,039
Speaker 1: Frequency. I wonder if there's any relationship to other dimensions

520
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:16,319
when it comes to frequency. I know that's a weird statement,

521
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:22,400
but you hear it seems to be like interconnected in

522
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:23,200
some ways.

523
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: But I don't really know.

524
00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: Just this is just a thought I had, because everything

525
00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:35,359
is about vibration, which is frequencies, vibration all a similar

526
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,680
type of thing. Everything's right down to the quantum. I

527
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:42,319
just feel, as I say many times, we know very little.

528
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:48,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, but also with the frequency and vibrations, our eyes

529
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,319
are very limited in what light frequencies we can see

530
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:53,240
in our eas very limited in what we can hear.

531
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,640
So there's a lot more going on around us that

532
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:57,640
we can't see or hear.

533
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,319
Speaker 1: And one of the questions I had for you is,

534
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,519
do you think they're acting with extra dresserals, interdimensional beings,

535
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,640
something spiritual, or something else entirely, or all of the above.

536
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it could be all of the above. It could

537
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,119
be a multiverse, it could be interdimensional, It could be

538
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:23,359
a frequency. There could be deceased loved ones in the

539
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,920
room with us right now they say that happens. There

540
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,799
could be grays in the room with this right now,

541
00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:31,960
and just in another phase, they're phased out of our

542
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,200
frequency a little bit. And it's it may be something

543
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,680
that we've never conceived that we use words like interdimensional

544
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,000
and another reality just as placeholders for something else that's

545
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:50,119
going on. Maybe this idea of dark matter which makes

546
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,160
up a huge chunk of the universe but we can't

547
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,920
detect it. Maybe that we that is the afterlife and

548
00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:02,200
all these other things that are happening around us, and

549
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,559
maybe one day we will be able to detect it.

550
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: Wow.

551
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:10,079
Speaker 1: I had pressing Dennett on He's been on the show

552
00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:12,079
a number of times. He was on last week, and

553
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:16,799
I know we brought up this discussion, why say two

554
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,720
people can have the same experience but see it entirely different.

555
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:23,599
Do you think that's all kind of related to what

556
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,880
you're talking about.

557
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,519
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I'm not sure if the etes are

558
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:35,359
controlling what each person sees, because they have screen memories

559
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,039
where they present animals, and maybe they do it with

560
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:41,799
their craft as well, because there are reports lots of

561
00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:44,079
people will be in a space and some of them

562
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:46,680
will see something and the others will not see the craft,

563
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,240
and maybe the viewers are selected by the ets. It's

564
00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:54,920
like this idea that perhaps if you see a UFO,

565
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:58,799
it's because they want you to see them, and it's

566
00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:03,839
for a reason, and it's they've got such technology they

567
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,279
don't need to have their craft covered in bright lights,

568
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:11,039
just a really bright white light way up in the

569
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:15,039
sky and then do these crazy maneuvers that's like trying

570
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:18,759
to attach attention attracts. They can shoot around the sky,

571
00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:23,079
i think, very easily without us seeing them, so they'll

572
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:25,319
have the lights on when they want to be seen.

573
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of the number one questions that people

574
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:32,960
ask me. Why would they have lights? And I've asked

575
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,039
that of other people as well, and someone I asked said,

576
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:39,160
maybe it has something to do with their the way

577
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,559
they travel, the way they can move or something like that.

578
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:44,160
But I thought it was an interesting comment. But I

579
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:50,279
don't know so when you're actually interviewing experiencers, do you

580
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:54,359
ever feel as though some people may be influenced by books, movies,

581
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,720
social media or hypnosis or how do you separate the

582
00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:04,119
gene you think is genuine experiences from people who may

583
00:34:04,119 --> 00:34:05,680
be influenced.

584
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 4: I find if people have had these experiences, tend to

585
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,199
be have humility, and they're quite spoken, and they're intelligent,

586
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:22,559
and they don't seem at all like they're hoaxing it

587
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,119
or they're they're confabulating, like they believe it's true but

588
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:31,719
it didn't happen, or that it's a fantasy, or maybe psychosis.

589
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:38,159
They just seem to be very ordinary people, just like me,

590
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,800
and they tell talk about these things that have happened

591
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,760
to them, and between all these different people you see

592
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,519
all this consistency. I think it's interesting that the Grays

593
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,400
appeared at a certain time because before that people would

594
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:56,800
report all sorts of occupants of the craft, wouldn't they

595
00:34:57,159 --> 00:35:00,480
like the pasca goula aliens very different to any anything else,

596
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,800
And you might hear about small elf like creatures or

597
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:09,000
creatures that almost something out of Star Wars, where they

598
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:12,440
were in the hoods and all sorts of shapes. And

599
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,199
then it seemed the eighties the grays became more and

600
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:20,920
more prevalent, and now it's mostly what people see. And

601
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,000
there's one guy I talked to who said that the

602
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,519
gray said to him, this is not what we look

603
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:30,920
like where we come from. We don't have a physical form.

604
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,960
What you see of us here is what you imprint

605
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:39,760
upon us with your consciousness. And also there's the thing

606
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,639
with grays and maybe the Nordics of reptilians and mantis

607
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:46,559
beings as well, that they're all shaped like us, with

608
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:48,960
the head and two arms and two legs and a body.

609
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,840
And biology says that if they evolved in another planet,

610
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,599
they could be a very different shape to us. So

611
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:57,000
why are they the same as us? And how come

612
00:35:57,079 --> 00:36:01,000
they seem to be able to operate in our atmosphere

613
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,360
that the hair pressure is not too much, They can

614
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,480
breathe the air, they don't seem to catch it, you

615
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:07,800
know from it. I was just going to say, yeah, yeah,

616
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,159
gravity is not too much for them.

617
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:14,519
Speaker 1: I've thought about all these things over the years. Yeah,

618
00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:17,880
we've seen enough movies where a virus knocks out the

619
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,360
aliens that try to invade, all the way back from

620
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,159
the War of the World, the early one in the thirties.

621
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,119
It really is something when you think about it that way,

622
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,840
and how they can communicate to all the different languages

623
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,039
and whatever. There's a lot to it. Such a puzzle

624
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,280
all the way through. Really makes you wonder. So someone

625
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,320
wanted to know if you've ever had Graham Birdsall's UFO

626
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,679
government document packs. Do you know what that he's talking about? No,

627
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,000
I haven't, I haven't known, but do you know what.

628
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 4: It might be about? In Britain, the government here released

629
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:01,840
its UFO files years ago in the nineties. London. Yeah,

630
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,480
and there's a place in West London that's called the

631
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:07,960
National Archive, and anybody can go in there and get

632
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,559
these files off the shelf and read them. I think

633
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,000
they might be quite difficult to find, but maybe that's

634
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:16,639
what he's referring to, those sort of files.

635
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: I see. Okay, So thank you.

636
00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: I forgot to say hello to everyone in chat, thank

637
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,880
you for being here. And also if you do pose

638
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,599
a question, please put it in caps so I don't

639
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:31,400
miss it. So I guess you said you have enough

640
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,760
for another book. Is it going to be almost the

641
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,480
same but just with different accounts.

642
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,559
Speaker 4: No, it's there's twenty different aspects that I cover, So

643
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:44,360
there's ten in this book, and there'll be ten in

644
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,679
the next book, so it'll be a completely different set

645
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:48,719
of information.

646
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: I got it, Okay.

647
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:56,159
Speaker 1: So if what you're you write about in what you think?

648
00:37:56,199 --> 00:38:00,920
If this phenomenon is real, there's abductions, what would you

649
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,039
think the ultimate purpose? Do you think it's? You mentioned

650
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,639
possibly reproduction? Is that what you think this is all about?

651
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,119
Speaker 4: Some of it? Yeah, going back to Bob Lazare, he

652
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:18,199
said he read in the folder that the ets of

653
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,320
edited human DNA sixty five times, and maybe that's not

654
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,880
true what he was reading, but the idea of it

655
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,199
is out there, isn't it in the UFO world that

656
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,559
perhaps they came hundreds millions of years ago and they

657
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,079
guided our evolution in some way, and maybe they're just

658
00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:40,920
halfway through that process, and there's the hybrids are part

659
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,039
of that program, and it may run for another two

660
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:49,159
or three thousand years and gradually it's upgrading us. There

661
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,400
is this idea that the Earth is a dark place,

662
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,960
it's very violent, and our human race is understanding of

663
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:03,400
what we really are, is very inasmuch as there spirits

664
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,639
having a human experience, not humans having a spiritual experience,

665
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:12,880
and that these lives are very fleeting, but our consciousness continues,

666
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,480
and all the planets are connected in some kind of

667
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:21,000
web throughout the universe something to do with consciousness. And

668
00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:23,960
if there's one that's really dark and nasty, like the Earth,

669
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,840
it's affecting the others around it through the web, and

670
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,239
so there's an effort to raise the planet in some way.

671
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,039
But that might be an a gender and a target

672
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:38,760
for some of the ets that people encounter, but for

673
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,599
other etes, they don't seem to be really caring about that,

674
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:44,400
and they're just a bit nasty.

675
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, we could use the little raising up, that's for sure.

676
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,079
One of the things that comes up in your book

677
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,920
a lot. In I'm sure that anyone that feels as

678
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,480
though they're having whatever you want to call it, experiences

679
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:03,039
or being abducted is the y me question. Did you

680
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:08,639
have anything or hear of anything convincing to that question?

681
00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 4: The first thing that comes to mind is this idea

682
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,679
of it's following family lines. And there are people I've

683
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,400
talked to who said the Grays told them that they

684
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,800
picked up their great grandparents and they work with their

685
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,159
grandparents and then their parents and they find something in

686
00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:29,760
this line of DNA that's really useful for them. And

687
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,239
a couple of people have said to me things like

688
00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:34,920
there was a woman when she got to be her

689
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,760
late teens, she finally opened up to her grandmother and

690
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,800
told her what was happening with the Grays of dutting her,

691
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:44,639
and her grandmother said, oh, yeah, that's just the pixes.

692
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,280
They always bring you back, don't worry. And another woman

693
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:51,679
asked her grandmother, why are the windows in your house

694
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,239
nailed down, these big heavy nails holding all the windows closed,

695
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:58,880
and she said, there are monsters out there, And you

696
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,679
think a normal, sane woman wouldn't actually nail windows down

697
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,480
unless she really thought there was something happening to her

698
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,440
and she was trying to protect herself. So that thing

699
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,840
of why me, it's like earlier. It's a lot of

700
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,400
people I talked to have these childhood experiences when they're

701
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:18,519
four or five years old, and it's that thought they

702
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:22,480
can't check every single child to see who's suitable. So

703
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,320
maybe it's linked to the something else people talk about

704
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,159
Reese's negative blood, and maybe it's because these people are

705
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:34,199
slightly psychic and that's how they spot them. Or it's

706
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,760
like that thing with Mike Clinton and sev Toalk where

707
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,480
people agree to it before they're born to be incarnated

708
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:45,039
as a human. So that's something that came up in

709
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:50,360
my hypnosis that session I talked about earlier. He said

710
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,360
to me, can you go back to the first time

711
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,440
you've met these grays? And I saw myself as maybe

712
00:41:57,079 --> 00:42:00,320
six months or a year old, standing up in this

713
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,719
playpen and there were three grades standing above looking down

714
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,119
on me. And I don't know why I said this,

715
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:09,880
but I just said to the hypnotist, they've come to

716
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,119
check that my soul has properly meshed with my body

717
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,519
to make sure everything's working. Okay. So there's some different

718
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:19,559
ideas there, but it's like that thing you get tons

719
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:23,079
of knowledge and different ideas, but you don't have an answer.

720
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:24,920
You can't say for sure what it is.

721
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,679
Speaker 1: So we're getting close to the end of our show here.

722
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,159
What do you think the UFO community has in general

723
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,320
wrong about yaeling the abductions?

724
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: When you talk to people.

725
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,199
Speaker 4: I don't know if they've got much wrong. I think

726
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,280
there are people who are more interested in the craft

727
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,159
and disclosure than they are interested in alien abduction. That's

728
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:54,679
fair enough. With my podcast, I'll hardly ever cover disclosure.

729
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,039
It's almost all about people's personal experiences. It's what I'm

730
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:04,559
really interested in. So getting wrong about it, I don't know.

731
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,639
There's been so many years that I've known about it.

732
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:13,559
Is there's the thing that abductees or who are experiencing

733
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:17,960
this are picked up regularly, seemingly, starting in childhood and

734
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,800
going right through to when they're fifty sixty years old.

735
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,039
And it can be the thing where they've picked up

736
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:24,639
two or three times a week, and then it may

737
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:26,480
be two or three times a year, and then it'll

738
00:43:26,679 --> 00:43:30,599
get intense again. So I don't know how many people

739
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,800
realize that it's not like Betty and Barney Hill. It's

740
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,599
a one off thing. The UFO might have seen the

741
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:39,159
car and thought, hey, let's go and check out those

742
00:43:39,159 --> 00:43:42,800
two guys down there. And it's not experimental. They're not

743
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:48,480
scientists doing research. They know exactly what they're doing. They

744
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,280
don't need to do research on the human body. So yeah,

745
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,199
that's what i'd say there.

746
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: So you just have talked about you've interviewed hundreds of experiencers.

747
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,480
Do you still all here are things that surprise you?

748
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I said earlier, I've heard a lot of stuff.

749
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:11,559
Something nothing really surprises me. I had interviewed fifty or

750
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:15,119
sixty people who've had these experiences. There was one guy

751
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,440
who woke up in the UFO who was awake for

752
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:23,960
just a few seconds, terrible pain in his arm, and

753
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:26,199
he was able to move a little bit and look

754
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,320
over to the side and there was a tall gray

755
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,440
with a small table, and his arm was on the table.

756
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:35,199
They'd cut his arm off, and it seemed like the

757
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,000
gray was picking bone marrow out of his bones. And

758
00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:41,519
he woke up the next morning and his arms reattached

759
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:45,119
and there's no scar. But it was very painful, and

760
00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:47,880
they came back once a week for three or four

761
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,360
weeks afterwards to do after care to help him get

762
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,760
the movement back in his arm. I talked to a

763
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,119
guy called Steve Neil. He had an X ray and

764
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:58,000
they asked him when he had broken his arm. He said,

765
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,000
I've never broken my arm. He said the dots and

766
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:03,559
the radiologists got quite annoyed with him because they thought

767
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:06,480
he was lying. And the X ray showed a break,

768
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:09,559
but it was a perfect straight line. The laser had

769
00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:11,960
cut through it. And when you break a bone, it

770
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:15,199
kind of shutters and splinters. It's never a really neat

771
00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:20,840
cut across it. No, So yeah, that's sort of Thing's interesting,

772
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,679
these new things that are showing up for me.

773
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:27,079
Speaker 1: And I don't know, maybe this is a little personal,

774
00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:30,400
but do you have friends and family that you were

775
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,440
able to talk about this with freely or are you

776
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,599
like me and have some family members that kind of

777
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:38,079
turn away when you talk about it.

778
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,159
Speaker 4: My older brother, if I bring it up, he'd straight away, no,

779
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,519
shut up, shut up, you're freaking me out. I don't

780
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:46,920
want to hear it. I can talk to my wife

781
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,679
and my daughters about it, and my other brother. And

782
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,559
also I think about all the people I talked to

783
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:54,079
in the eighties, the people I knew then I talked

784
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:56,239
to them about UFOs and they must have thought I

785
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,400
was crazy. But now with all the disclosure stuff, they

786
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,880
might be thinking, ah, hang on second, so I'm sure it.

787
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,559
Speaker 1: Yes, I have to tell you, I've had a few

788
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:09,559
people contact me with the longtime friends from way back.

789
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:12,639
One was a childhood friend. Just the other day, it said, Hey,

790
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,760
I just saw all this stuff about UFOs and the news,

791
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:18,679
what's about the files being released? And so that is

792
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,400
getting people's attention. And I think that website has something

793
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,639
like a billion and a half views, which is really crazy.

794
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,039
And as I mentioned earlier, I'm going to have the

795
00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:32,079
UFO headlines July first on a Wednesday, and we're going

796
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:34,360
to be talking about all that and a lot more.

797
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:38,599
If someone thinks that they're having an abduction experience and

798
00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:43,000
they're really afraid, if they're listening right now, what would

799
00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:45,320
you tell them they should do.

800
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 4: There are a small number of groups online that are

801
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,760
for people who are having these experiences, and you can

802
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,599
connect with other people and they have multiple people on

803
00:46:57,679 --> 00:47:00,639
zoom calls, so it's like a support and I think

804
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:02,880
it can be really good to find people who are

805
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,400
having the same experience as you, because they can really

806
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,119
understand you. There's Steve Neil's got a YouTube channel called

807
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:13,599
Breaking the Silence, and he does that. He talks all

808
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:16,960
this alien abduction stuff and he runs these type presumed

809
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,880
calls for experiences. Also to listen to podcasts, read books

810
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,280
like my one, and also maybe go to a hypnotist.

811
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:30,280
It's a thing where you'd want to find a hypnotherapist

812
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,079
who knows what they're doing, who knows about the phenomenon,

813
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,880
and knows a lot about the phenomenon, and doesn't think

814
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,679
you're crazy because you're talking about it. But also be

815
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,159
aware that if you get hypnotized, things might come up

816
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,519
that are traumatic, and so think carefully about it. Do

817
00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:50,760
you really want to do that? That's the sort of

818
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:51,599
advice i'd give.

819
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm friends with the Randall Nickerson, who did a really

820
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,360
nice film on the area of phenomenon, and it's funny.

821
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,199
We're friends for a long time, and all of a sudden,

822
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,519
I saw this thing on UFOs and abductions experiencers, and

823
00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:09,679
there's a young Randall Nickerson on the Oprah Show with

824
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,519
his sister and it's WHOA. So I called him up

825
00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:15,440
and what's this? And we had a conversation. So he

826
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,800
has told me that he's gone to a lot of

827
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:23,000
groups where it's very much like a support group. I

828
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:25,559
remember one of them is in Providence, Rhode Island. He

829
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:26,440
was telling me about it.

830
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 2: So it is helpful.

831
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: And I can imagine anyone having these experiencers, I wouldn't

832
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,920
even know how to function in life, and I would

833
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,440
definitely need some support. So if you're listening, you feel

834
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,519
like this is happening. And I think a lot of

835
00:48:41,559 --> 00:48:46,239
people just think they're crazy. When John Mack has said,

836
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,960
these people are not crazy, they are having this experience

837
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:56,400
of some kind. And Harvard train Professors psychiatrists is saying that,

838
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,800
and he almost lost his tenure. I believe he had

839
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,039
some real problems with that. Here's another question from your

840
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:08,800
side of the pond, Tony, thank you for being here.

841
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:12,480
Might be being practiced on by these beings under the

842
00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:15,480
direction of their seniors. Could this have been going on

843
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:16,559
for millennia?

844
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it could have been going on for millennia, and

845
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,880
that's that's a good thought.

846
00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: Really.

847
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:28,039
Speaker 4: I suppose in a hospital that they rely on people

848
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:30,960
donating their bodies for medical research and the students can

849
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,360
practice on the bodies. Maybe it's that kind of thing

850
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,800
that they want the short grace to practice on something.

851
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,119
So they bring them here and say we'll pick up

852
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,119
humans and you do feel your practice on them, and

853
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:45,800
then that hope you pass your exams.

854
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 1: Okay, if there's any other questions from chat, so, where

855
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,119
can someone get your I know the book I'm having

856
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:58,119
linked below, but in general, can people get in touch

857
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,280
with you that want to tell you what their experiences are.

858
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 2: Is that something you're interested in.

859
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:07,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been recently having more people contact me to

860
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:13,840
for hypnosis to examine possible UFO encounters. My website is

861
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,639
simon bound dot com.

862
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 1: You can see your name. I pronounce your name wrong.

863
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:22,239
I apologize for that now.

864
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 4: That's okay, and people often call me Brown. So it's

865
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,239
simon bound dot com and on there. This got my books,

866
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:35,360
my podcasts, and my hypnotherapy. My podcasts are the Alien

867
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:40,559
UFO Podcast and Our Paranormal Afterlife, and I've released over

868
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:45,880
nine hundred episodes. But also if you're interested in having

869
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,360
hypnosis for this, you can go onto my website and

870
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,679
get into my calendar and book a call. I'll do

871
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,400
a twenty minute call free of charge and we can

872
00:50:54,440 --> 00:51:00,760
discuss what you're trying to achieve with the hypnotherapy and regression. Excellent.

873
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,599
Speaker 1: That's really a nice thing you're offering there, and I

874
00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:08,239
wish you all the luck. There's people commenting someone just

875
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,639
about John Max's book. There was have you looked into

876
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,599
some of the things that he did? I know you

877
00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:16,679
mentioned Bud Hawkins. Oh, I do believe you did mention

878
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,760
John mac Yeah, he was really.

879
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a very interesting clever guy.

880
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,679
Speaker 1: Acts very So can connections be made through hypnosis that

881
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,519
were not there prior?

882
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,079
Speaker 4: What if you mean? It's like I've had people say

883
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,400
they remember when they were young, waking up, I'm perhaps

884
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,239
seeing a four foot tall owl standing in the middle

885
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,960
of their bedroom. That's all they remember. Yeah, and so

886
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:52,519
they asked, can you, you know, take me back and

887
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,440
recover anything else that happened there. That's what we do

888
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,039
in the regression, and it's the thing where I can

889
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:02,880
take people back to that kind of space and then

890
00:52:03,199 --> 00:52:06,000
I use very simple language because I can't do any

891
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:10,960
leading or suggestion. So it's basically asking questions like, Okay,

892
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,840
what happened next? Well, how do you feel? Rather than

893
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,719
give them any sort of okay, now, what's on the

894
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,800
other side of the craft, Bud Hopkins would say to them, Oh,

895
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,000
there's usually a man there in a yellow shirt. You

896
00:52:24,039 --> 00:52:25,320
see the man in the yellow shirt.

897
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: I know someone that kind of said something that to

898
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,920
me about that. Yeah, it's like he was reading a

899
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:32,400
little bit.

900
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:34,559
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Yeah, he can't.

901
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 4: Test them because if they said, yes, I do see

902
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,000
the man in the yellow shirt, that tells him that

903
00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:44,760
they're very suggestible and that they can have false memories

904
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,800
coming up. And I see, that's the thing with memories

905
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,320
and hypnosis. I've got all these things that came up

906
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,320
that look like alien abduction experiences. I got no conscious memories.

907
00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:00,760
So really, I feel fundamentally it didn't happen, even though

908
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,440
experiences are telling me, yeah, it probably did happen.

909
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:07,559
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm sorry because I kind of stepped over

910
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:07,960
you on that.

911
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,159
Speaker 2: So you're saying that Bud Hopkins was checking to.

912
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: See if these people were impressionable, and that's why he

913
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,320
would say the men and the yell shirt.

914
00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:22,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a test to see if they said, yeah,

915
00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:23,199
I see it.

916
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 1: Because unfortunately, a lot of hypnotherapists do lead questions and

917
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,960
so that is tricky and you can't really get good

918
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:32,960
information that way.

919
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,119
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, yeah, it's you got to get to

920
00:53:38,159 --> 00:53:40,840
somebody who knows what they're doing with that side of things.

921
00:53:41,559 --> 00:53:45,400
I got trained as a clinical hypnotherapist and got a diploma,

922
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,440
and that was nine months of college. And there are

923
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,480
some people who can get some kind of hypnotherapy diploma

924
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,719
from just one weekend's training. You know, you've got to

925
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:57,920
find the right people for it.

926
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,199
Speaker 2: That's right, and thank you so much. Simon.

927
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: It's been and I'm sorry pronounce your last name wrong.

928
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:10,920
It's right, so yeah, bound bound that's how you say it, yes, Simon, Yeah,

929
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:13,159
thank you so much. Has been a real pleasure and

930
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,239
thanks for listening to the show for a long time.

931
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,079
Speaker 4: No, it's great, I enjoy it. Thanks for having me on.

932
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 2: You bet all right, you take care.

933
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: Cheers as they say yes bye bye. Okay, So everyone

934
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:33,159
will be back next week with Reestalton the Morgan from Australia.

935
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,800
That's going to be a pre recorded show, don't forget.

936
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,000
Tomorrow night here at nine pm Eastern, we're going to

937
00:54:39,039 --> 00:54:41,199
be talking about Disclosure Day. There's going to be a

938
00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:44,559
panel of five of us and so please check that

939
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:47,480
out starting at nine and it's a live show as well,

940
00:54:48,079 --> 00:54:50,119
and I want to thank you all in chat everyone

941
00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:53,519
for your questions and everything. Thursday, I'm going to be

942
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,320
here with sal Aramato, so.

943
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,119
Speaker 2: Check that out. That's at eight pm.

944
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: And just so that was our guest tonight was on

945
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,360
at one to two o'clock in the morning, and so

946
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:08,840
you also, Tony, thank you for being here. Also, I

947
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,159
wanted to say, I will be driving up to Washington,

948
00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:13,599
DC next Thursday. You're going to have to look to

949
00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:15,719
see if there's clips or a show that night. I'm

950
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,400
not really going to be able to know until later on,

951
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so it's all on the fly. But anyway, I thank

952
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you all for being here very much and we'll see

953
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you soon. In remember to keep your eyes to the sky.