WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.920 --> 00:00:03.720 All right, what's going on? It is drivetime. It's a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.480 Thursday afternoon. It's about ten minutes past the hour of 3 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:10.080 two o'clock. We are in the midst of some unusual, 4 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:11.839 unseasonably warm weather. 5 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:13.279 Outside. It's a beautiful day. 6 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:16.600 It's about seventy eight degrees and clear and sunny here 7 00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:20.199 in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah, our Broadway Media studios 8 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:22.359 overlooking the beautiful Wassaps Mountains. 9 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:24.399 Great to have you with us, it is every day. 10 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:26.239 It's great to have you. Long for the ride. It's 11 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:26.760 betch check. 12 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:29.800 It's behind the mic portor Larsen behind the glass. 13 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:31.640 And we got a lot to do, a lot to 14 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:32.320 do on. 15 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:36.479 This Thursday afternoon to get you ready for the weekend. 16 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:38.960 You're almost there, and keep your company on your drive 17 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:41.600 around town or your commute home here. 18 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:41.920 On the drive. 19 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:45.679 Good guest list today, a bunch of different topics. We 20 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:48.280 are still a few weeks away from kind of leaning 21 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:50.200 into NBA coverage. 22 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:53.280 We like to cover the NBA on the show. 23 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:57.280 We usually like to cover the jazz on the show, 24 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:00.000 so we're not gonna do a ton of it today, 25 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:05.799 but there are some NBA preseason It's like NBA preseason 26 00:01:05.840 --> 00:01:09.359 prediction time. Our buddy Howard Beck from The Ringer wrote 27 00:01:09.480 --> 00:01:11.480 his piece today that he does every year on the 28 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:16.359 state of every single team, and Kevin Pelton from ESPN 29 00:01:16.599 --> 00:01:20.280 did his yearly win prediction for every team. 30 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:20.599 In the league. 31 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:24.079 Spoiler alert, Nobody thinks the Jazz are going to be 32 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:27.280 either good or interesting, So there you go. 33 00:01:28.280 --> 00:01:29.640 But I did want to bring some of that on 34 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:30.280 air today. 35 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:34.680 They're doing a preseason media thing tomorrow with Ange Annik 36 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:38.120 and I think Ryan's going to be there, so NBA 37 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:40.560 seasons right around the corner, but we're not going to 38 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:41.879 necessarily lean into. 39 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:43.400 It on the show just yet. 40 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:46.480 We're pretty football centric right now, obviously looking ahead to 41 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:51.200 a very big weekend for both Utah and BYU local 42 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:55.359 and national college football implications. 43 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:55.319 On the line. 44 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:58.560 Start to learn about some more of these teams, both 45 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:03.159 in the Big Twelve and just around the country. BYU 46 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:05.760 at Baylor. Right now, Baylor is a three point five 47 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:08.599 point favorite. The over under is forty five point five. 48 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:12.879 Bringing me Young historically is not great with day games. 49 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:16.680 I read today they've lost their last ten day games 50 00:02:17.199 --> 00:02:20.080 to FBS opponents, seven of those who have been on 51 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:23.120 the road, and dating back historically, I think it's five 52 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:29.000 to nineteen something along those lines. BYU struggles day games 53 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:32.080 for some reason, and that's maybe one of the reasons 54 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:35.719 Baylor is favored, even though BYU is unbeaten. The Youthes 55 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:38.360 welcome in the Arizona Wildcats. That's going to be an 56 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:42.639 eight point fifteen kicktime. You can see that game on ESPN. 57 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:45.360 You can hear it on this old radio station beginning 58 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:48.919 at four fifteen to keep you company all the way 59 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:51.120 up until kicks. So if you're driving around town, if 60 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:53.639 you can't make it over the game early, or even 61 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:56.199 if you're in the tailgate lot, just fire up ESPN 62 00:02:56.280 --> 00:02:59.439 seven hundred listener our pregame coverage with Porter and then 63 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:03.120 later on obviously Bill sli and Scott So big games 64 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:06.680 for both Utah and BYU this weekend. We're going to 65 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:09.319 get into it on the show today and a big 66 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:11.919 slate of big twelve twelve games. 67 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:13.599 A lot of eyes on Manhattan. 68 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:17.919 Kansas case State's getting five points over Oklahoma State. The 69 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:21.319 two teams that BYU and Utah beat last week will 70 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:23.759 play each other in Kansas State a pretty healthy favorite 71 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:24.639 at least as of now. 72 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:27.639 Colorado on the road at UCF. 73 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:31.360 I believe that is the Fox Big Noon kickoff with 74 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:34.319 Joe Klatt, Gus Johnson in front of the show and 75 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:38.479 the Fox gang down there in Orlando, so we'll get 76 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:40.719 to a lot of college football storylines. I do want 77 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:43.120 to revisit a topic we talked about yesterday, and that 78 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:49.080 is UNLV losing their starting quarterback after a really good 79 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:53.319 start and inserting themselves as the G five favorite to 80 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:56.319 advance to the CFP. And I've heard a lot of 81 00:03:56.319 --> 00:03:58.919 reaction about this and I want to kind of. 82 00:03:58.879 --> 00:03:59.680 Get into it today. 83 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:02.400 To some people overnight, A couple of people who work 84 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:04.159 up with you, who listen to the show reached out 85 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:07.599 via text. It's just clear that nobody knows what to do. 86 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:09.879 Nobody knows how to handle this because the people in 87 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:12.680 charge have so badly dropped the ball for basically twenty 88 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:16.759 five years. And if it doesn't get fixed pretty quickly here, 89 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:20.199 I do think we could have a conversation about whether 90 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:23.839 or not this sport it will survive. I talked about 91 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:27.360 it yesterday. I'm not a college football alarmist. Alarmist, I 92 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:28.720 know there are a lot of people out there that 93 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:32.360 believe the recent happenings in the sport are bad for 94 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:35.639 long term. I'm not there. It's just different now, and 95 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:38.120 we'll talk about it on the show. But certainly one 96 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:40.439 thing is for sure. They've got to figure this stuff out. 97 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:42.120 They've got to get their arms around it one way 98 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:42.560 or the other. 99 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:45.399 Whether you're just lean into the pro model sooner rather 100 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:49.199 than later. I know that they're pleading for help from Congress. 101 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:53.240 As a citizen of the country, I prefer Congress's energy 102 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:57.519 elsewhere at this point. But you know, we'll see how 103 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:00.399 it plays out. The NFL gets rolling tonight. You can 104 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:03.279 hear the NFL on our radio station. Reminder, we are 105 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:06.240 your home of the NFL in this market. It is 106 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:09.800 Thursday n at football from Jet Live Stadium. See what 107 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:13.040 I did there, East Rutherford, New Jersey. The Cowboys are 108 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:15.000 getting five and a half points on the road against 109 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:18.199 the Giants. Both these teams are one and two. Giants 110 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:20.160 aren't thought to be very good this year. They're probably 111 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:22.600 playing for little draft capital, so to me, all the 112 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:24.560 pressure is on Dallas tonight. 113 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:27.000 But don't forget. After we SAYGA night. 114 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:29.920 At six o'clock, you can hear the Cowboys Giants game 115 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:31.519 here on the station. 116 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:34.519 Big weekend ahead for Rayal Salt Lake. 117 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:38.879 All the projections as of now have RSL advancing to 118 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:41.600 the postseason. Of course they've already clinched that, but maybe 119 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:44.439 as a top four seed well where they're gonna get 120 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.120 a home playoff game, which is always a lot of fun. 121 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:49.879 So we'll do a little soccer on the show today. 122 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:53.519 Utah Hockey Club continues their preseason journey after getting the 123 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:57.000 win on Monday at the Delta Center, so a lot 124 00:05:57.040 --> 00:05:59.079 to do on a Thursday afternoon. We'll start things off 125 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:02.040 with Kyle Bonnach from ESPN. Kyle has been great with 126 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:04.560 a PAC twelve Mountain West Conference beef there. We say 127 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:07.600 it's a beef as the PAC twelve has posted a 128 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:10.680 bunch of teams, speaking of which U and Lvan Air 129 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:13.079 Force will stay put in the Mountain West Conference with 130 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:16.279 some incentives tied to that decision. So we'll bring in 131 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:19.120 Kyle today to talk about that. Then it's time for 132 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:21.360 the Big Show, Big Hour. We do it every Thursday. 133 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:26.120 Craig Bowler, Jack Gordon Monson. It will be mostly football today. 134 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:28.199 We'll probably do a little jazz with Bowlers since they're 135 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:32.240 doing their preseason media availability tomorrow at the Delta center, 136 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:35.560 Max Bretdas stops by to talk a little RSL, little soccer. 137 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:37.000 We'll do a little sports court today. 138 00:06:37.160 --> 00:06:40.279 Ton of gray topics to get to on this Thursday 139 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:42.600 afternoon with Kyle Bond, a girl with Craig Bowlerjack with 140 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:45.480 Gordon Monton, with Max Bredas, with me Spence check Its 141 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:48.399 with all of you the great listeners, and that guy 142 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:52.199 a very nervous Dallas Cowboy fan on a Thursday afternoon. 143 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:54.639 All the pressures on your boys, you know that tonight 144 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:56.759 Tonight it's like a sneaky big game. I don't think 145 00:06:56.759 --> 00:06:58.800 they lose, but this is one of those early season 146 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:00.000 games where they got to get it. 147 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:03.639 Yeah, I don't believe in like when you say a 148 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:07.920 must win, right and it's Week three. You're in a 149 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:10.639 division that's not going to have anyone with twelve, thirteen, 150 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:15.199 fourteen wins. You know, outside of the Eagles, you're probably 151 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:17.959 gonna get a wild card spot if you're the Cowboys. 152 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:21.839 I I don't know, man, I don't know if I 153 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:24.879 want to even go to that territory because, like I said, 154 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:31.560 I'm approaching the zone of of fandom where a win 155 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:34.959 means Mike McCarthy continues to just kind of flounder and 156 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:38.800 do this charade in the middle, and I don't know 157 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:40.639 how much longer I want that to go on. So 158 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:43.959 I'm conflicted as a fan, and I know they're not 159 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:47.120 a bad team. That's the point. They've had a top 160 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:49.959 five roster in the NFL for a decade maybe more, 161 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:51.800 and here we are. 162 00:07:52.480 --> 00:07:54.199 Yep. It's kind of a sneaky big game. 163 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:56.360 I agree, not necessarily a must win, but one and 164 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:59.120 three making the playoffs in pro football, it's a it's 165 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:02.480 a tough amountain all right. Our first guest right out 166 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:04.959 of the gates today will be Kyle Bonnager to tap 167 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:09.240 college football. Before we get to Kyle, on this Thursday afternoon, 168 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:12.040 I almost said Wednesday. Brought to you by good friends 169 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:16.160 at Standard Restaurant Supplies. Standard Restaurant Supplies your tailgate headquarters 170 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:18.920 get everything you need to make your tailgate epic. 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Now into the studio of ESPN 176 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:36.919 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. 177 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:38.360 The opening tip of. 178 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:40.919 The drive is brought to you by Standard Restaurant Supply, 179 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:44.240 your one stop shop to build the best tailgate in town. 180 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.639 Standard Restaurant Supply thirty five hundred Southwest Temple. 181 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:53.559 So, the news that UNB quarterback Matthew Sluka left the 182 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:58.519 program on Tuesday night to utilize his red shirt amid 183 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:02.559 claims of unfulfilled verbal nil promises from a UNLB assistant 184 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:06.440 coach really send shockwaves across the landscape of people who 185 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:09.600 love college football, people who cover college football, and people 186 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:12.600 who are in college football. So we talked about this 187 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:14.840 on a couple of different occasions. Yesterday I actually did 188 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:18.440 like a twenty twenty five minute segment on it and 189 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:21.240 got a couple of messages after I signed off air 190 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:25.759 from some boosters, some alumni, and one gentleman who shall 191 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:28.679 remain nameless who works at the University of Utah. And 192 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:32.159 overnight did some reading, listen to some pods, you know, 193 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:34.200 checked out some of the shows to see how people 194 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:38.559 were reacting to this. And one thing has become extremely clear, 195 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:42.360 and it's not new information, but I just have a 196 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:47.960 hard time feeling anything other than you dug your grave 197 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:49.080 and now you have to lie in it. 198 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:50.440 When it comes to the NCAA. 199 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:53.120 Now, I do feel bad for member institutions because it's 200 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:58.080 pretty clear athletic departments, institutions, colleges across the landscape of 201 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:01.799 college football just don't know how to go about their 202 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:05.200 business when it comes to NIL. Specifically, transfer portal is 203 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:07.519 becoming a little bit more clear if they made some restrictions, 204 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:09.679 they're not as many opportunities just to get up and 205 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:11.200 bounce and leave as. 206 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:12.200 There were even a year ago. 207 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:16.200 So they've made some progress with the transfer portal With NIL, 208 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:21.360 it still clearly is baffling schools and athletic departments as 209 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:21.879 far as. 210 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:23.480 How they go about their business to do this. 211 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:29.039 And there really is this underlying panic and anxiety about 212 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:31.519 how this is going to play out, what we do 213 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:33.240 to make sure that we can keep up with. 214 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:33.960 The other schools. 215 00:10:34.159 --> 00:10:37.200 Look, the schools with the biggest budgets have always won 216 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:38.679 at the highest levels. 217 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:39.639 That's not a new thing. 218 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:43.840 And for a number of years, you know, players were 219 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:47.480 being paid in ways that we didn't see. I have 220 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:52.120 so many stories locally and nationally of guys I know 221 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:55.320 who played football and basketball in college and we're getting money, 222 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:58.240 getting cash out of the table from you know, boosters 223 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:01.879 and donors and powerful people in their communities. 224 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:04.440 So now it's just in front of our faces. 225 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:08.320 But still at this point, it really is putting a 226 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:11.080 lot of athletic departments in tough situations for them to 227 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:14.639 figure out something so important without any regulation. 228 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:15.799 And that's the issue. 229 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:17.919 And yes, the House settlement is thought to be on 230 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:19.879 its way to being finalized. Maybe we'll get to that 231 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:22.000 a little bit later on today with our friends from 232 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:25.440 Handy and Handy, And when that happens, maybe we'll start 233 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:28.519 to see some things settle in. But until it happens, 234 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.919 it continues to be just do whatever you want and 235 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:35.840 ask for forgiveness later or not permission now. But for 236 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:40.159 a starting quarterback to leave a program over a verbal 237 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:42.720 promise which simply is your word against his, and a 238 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:46.159 program that's undefeated, a player that's playing well over one 239 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:48.480 hundred k and I hate the sound up to one 240 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:51.120 hundred thousand dollars is not a ton of money. Now, 241 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:52.559 it's a lot of money. All of us would like 242 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:54.120 another one hundred thousand dollars to. 243 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:54.679 Come our way. 244 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:58.000 But for something like this, for somebody to simply just 245 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:00.759 quit on his team, and I don't love that narrative. 246 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:03.840 That's a little old school, like, you know, step up, 247 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:06.519 you know, be the band of brothers whatever. I am 248 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:08.919 the guy that for basically ten years, if not more, 249 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:13.399 I've yelled about these players being compensated for what they 250 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:17.279 do because that's the way America works. The NCAA simply 251 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:20.320 is a serial anti trust violator. And finally the Supreme 252 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:23.360 Court was like, get out of here and figure it out. 253 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:26.039 These kids now have the same basic economic rights as 254 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:27.759 all of us to simply profit off. 255 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:28.639 Of who they are as people. 256 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:30.600 It was dumb that they never could, and it's better 257 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:33.919 now that they can. But you had twenty five years 258 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:37.399 at least as a runway. Certainly at Obannon's lawsuit was 259 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:39.120 filed in two thousand and eight, you at least had 260 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:41.559 fifteen or sixteen years to understand that this was coming. 261 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:45.840 And your failure to prepare is putting administrators in athletic 262 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:48.480 departments in very precarious situations. 263 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:49.080 Now. 264 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:52.840 Ultimately, as I said yesterday, for me, it comes down 265 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:55.480 to one thing, and that is how is the product. 266 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:59.039 The product is still really good, but it's just different, 267 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:02.320 and will progress is not being made. You can make 268 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:04.960 an argument that the anile stuff is actually getting worse 269 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:08.399 when programs are losing key players as opposed to making 270 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:10.720 progress to get to the point where it's actually better. 271 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:13.320 You could make that argument, for sure, I would hear 272 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:16.600 you if you did. But ultimately it kind of leads 273 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.600 into a conversation where if you're going to be a fan, 274 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:24.600 whether it's college football, whether it's the NFL, whether it's 275 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:27.919 the NBA, whether it's Major League Baseball, Major League Soccer, 276 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:31.080 or the NHL, no matter what it is that you love, 277 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:34.799 as things change and things progress, you just simply have 278 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:38.320 to decide whether or not you're okay making allowances for 279 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:40.279 the things that make you uncomfortable in the name of 280 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:41.600 consuming the thing you enjoy. 281 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:44.039 Right, And there are plenty of examples. 282 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:46.159 Right, So if you listen to the show, first of all, 283 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:48.200 thank you, hello, how are you? Second of all, you know, 284 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:51.559 during basketball season, you can probably plan on hearing me 285 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:56.159 go on some massive diatribe and we'll put the over 286 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:00.440 under on twenty. Okay, this upcoming NBA season, when Luka 287 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.559 Doncic decides that his ankle hurts and he doesn't make 288 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:06.120 the trip to Salt Lake, When Lebron James decides that 289 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:09.159 LA's very nice this time of year and it's fifteen 290 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:11.639 degrees and snowy and Salt Lake, and suddenly he doesn't 291 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:14.159 fly to play the jazz. And I could go on 292 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:17.039 and on and on, because guess what it's going to happen, 293 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:20.679 because it's already has happened. Tom Haberschrow, our buddy from 294 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:23.639 the NBA Daily Assist, did the data, did the work 295 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:28.240 and pulled up the data. Salt Lake almost by It's 296 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:31.600 like it's almost by far is the NBA market most 297 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:35.320 adversely affected by quote load management, meaning star players don't 298 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:36.679 feel like going to Utah. 299 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:38.039 Yes, injuries are real. 300 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:40.240 I know we have to say that to protect ourselves, 301 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:43.360 but we suffer as an NBA market more so than 302 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.919 any other market in the entire league, with star players saying, 303 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:51.399 oh it's salt Lake on Wednesday. Sorry my son's not 304 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:54.440 feeling well, or oh my gosh, I think I have COVID. 305 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:57.879 Whatever it is, all the excuses it's star players use 306 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:00.720 to not play the jazz in salt Lake will irk 307 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:03.480 me forever, right, I'll never get off that. 308 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:04.320 I never will. 309 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:06.080 And if I sound like the old guy because I 310 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:08.159 say John and Carl played eighty two, and so did 311 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:10.399 you ing and so did Mike. Okay, fine, then I'm 312 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:13.559 the old guy once upon a time. Actually showing up 313 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:15.799 and playing when you're able to play and when you're 314 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:18.600 healthy matter to people, and I still think it should. 315 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:19.639 I'll never get off that. 316 00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:25.159 However, I still watch NBA basketball. Right as an NFL fan. 317 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:28.759 You heard a lot of people say, I don't watch 318 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:31.960 the NFL because the CTE stuff I learned about, how 319 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:34.720 you know, what little regard they have for their players, 320 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:38.480 who are the product that we pay to watch. And 321 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:41.759 since you learned about, you know, the NFL essentially turning 322 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:44.159 a blind eye to horrific brain injuries for years, a 323 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:45.519 lot of people tapped out right. 324 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:47.799 A lot of people did, how about Kaepernick? 325 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:48.039 Right? 326 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:50.879 You saw a guy neil for the national anthem, and 327 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:54.320 you're not watching football anymore. Some people took that stance, 328 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:57.639 and some people still have. Ratings for NFL games have 329 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:02.279 never been higher. So they just have to decide if 330 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:06.600 you love consuming the sport enough to make allowance for 331 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:09.919 the things that make you uncomfortable in pro basketball are 332 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:14.639 in pro basketball right now? It's basketball players not wanting 333 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:16.679 to play basketball. 334 00:16:16.679 --> 00:16:17.799 That's hard to stomach. 335 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:21.240 Now their profit and lost statement and their new TV 336 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:24.480 deal indicates the business of basketball is good. I do 337 00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:28.679 think the regular season ratings suffering are directly correlated to 338 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:31.960 star players not playing, but enough people still watch basketball 339 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:34.720 for the NBA to make seventy what billion dollars or 340 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:37.879 whatever with their new deal, you know, out to twenty 341 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:40.720 thirty one or twenty thirty two. Like I can say 342 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:43.080 it's a problem. They can throw whatever back in my 343 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:45.559 face about the business being good. But you, as a 344 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:49.919 fan have to decide if you mind after ponying up 345 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:54.120 for hundreds sometimes thousands of dollars for four seats to 346 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:57.600 a Jazz game because your son wants to see Lebron 347 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:01.799 and Lebron decides that the weather in la is too 348 00:17:01.879 --> 00:17:03.360 nice this time of year and he doesn't want to 349 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:04.039 deal with Saul Lake. 350 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:05.640 You have to decide if that's okay with you. 351 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:11.319 In the NFL, brain injuries, CT, political stances, whatever it 352 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:15.599 is okay, is that enough to dissuade you from watching 353 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:18.839 pro football? And now we have the answer in college 354 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:21.720 football because honestly, honestly, we didn't for a long time, right, 355 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:24.759 it really was for a lot of people the last 356 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:27.559 bastion of amateurism, even though that's not a real sentence. 357 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:30.839 You're fooled into believing that you're just watching these young 358 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:34.640 men essentially make old people who have been in the 359 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:37.559 business rich for a number of different decades. I'm all 360 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:39.519 for them being paid. I'm not for the way it 361 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:42.640 went down. The lack of regulation is alarming, and these 362 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:45.319 things are concerning, But I'm not an alarmist when it 363 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:47.440 comes to the future of college football, because this is 364 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:50.440 the example of what you have to make allowance for 365 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:52.839 as a fan. If you want to keep going to games, 366 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:54.319 if you want to keep watching games, if you want 367 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:54.640 to keep. 368 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:57.400 Supporting your school. It's not good or bad. 369 00:17:57.440 --> 00:18:00.640 It's just different, right, And I'm with you with a 370 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:03.319 lot of these things, with load management, with brain injuries, 371 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:07.680 with political stances, with whatever it is with college football now, 372 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:10.200 with the NIL and the transfer portal really causing a 373 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:13.200 lot of cash. I'm with you that it's not necessarily 374 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:16.440 as easy to consume it as it once was. But 375 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:18.160 I'm trying to get to the point with all this 376 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:20.720 stuff where it's not good or bad, it's just different. 377 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:22.279 And then you decide if you want to be the 378 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:24.400 consumer all right. 379 00:18:24.440 --> 00:18:26.240 Coming up on the other side, we're gonna bring in 380 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:27.240 Kyle Barne girl. 381 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:28.720 College football coming up next. 382 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:30.880 I got mostly college football on the show today, So 383 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:32.119 beautiful Thursday, it's good. 384 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:33.400 Have you with us. Keep it right here. 385 00:18:35.119 --> 00:18:39.599 You weren't very excited when I laid on my idea 386 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:43.079 about the Bumps today, when I said, hey, let's go, 387 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:45.160 let's do a little jam band. Just do a little 388 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:47.960 Northeast style jam ban. Now this is the Grateful Dead, 389 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:51.440 But today I need a little I need a little guster. 390 00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:52.279 I want a little fish. 391 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:54.599 I want a little string cheese incident. You can throw 392 00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:56.400 a little Dave in. You know, Dave technically is a 393 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:59.480 jam band. You didn't seem very enthused about my idea. 394 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:01.000 They've definitely a jam ban. 395 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:05.000 There was tone there. What was the tone? There was 396 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:07.839 tone there? Watch your tone? 397 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:08.599 How do I put this? 398 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:09.759 Just put it kindly. 399 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:12.359 I like most jam bands, and in fact, I'm a 400 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:14.880 big fan of the Dead, much like our next guest. 401 00:19:16.759 --> 00:19:23.799 But but there is a time when the song could end. 402 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:26.680 I didn't say we're gonna do a little psilocybin in 403 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:29.960 talking for a seventeen minute guster guitar solo. 404 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:31.960 They're Bumps they're thirty seconds. 405 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:36.000 I know, so for bumps we're doing great. But just 406 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:39.799 my overall thoughts, that's you're not wrong. Kyle bonde gera 407 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:42.759 definite jam band fan. 408 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:44.759 I'm gonna go out on a limb Kyle and say 409 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:46.880 you enjoy a good jam ban I. 410 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:49.559 Would say, generally speak, I'm very specific to you the 411 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:51.839 Grateful Dead, I don't. I don't venture out much, but 412 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:55.359 beyond beyond them. So that's kind of where I sit 413 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:56.960 on the whole conversation of jampans. 414 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:00.400 All right, fair enough, we can move on immediately, all right, Kyle. 415 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:04.000 So ultimately, on the show yesterday and to start the 416 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:07.359 show today, we've been discussing kind of the fallout from 417 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:12.640 the Matthew Sluka nil dispute with UNLV, and after the 418 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:14.920 show last night, I got a couple of messages from 419 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:16.680 some people that work up at the U and it's 420 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:20.799 just pretty clear that nobody knows what they're doing. But 421 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:23.359 this one kind of sent shock waves across the landscape 422 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:25.240 of college football. What's what's your take on how this 423 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:25.880 all went down. 424 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:29.960 I think it's kind of a window into what is 425 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.559 wrong with the system and kind of what's going to 426 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:35.119 be possible in the future. I think we'll see more 427 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:37.440 of this, not exactly how this one played out, but 428 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:39.799 I do think you're going to see more kids leaving 429 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:41.759 at this at this stage. 430 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:41.880 Of the year. 431 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:44.519 You know, my minder saying is, look, it's the offensive 432 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:47.319 coordinator made a verbal offer of you know, a we 433 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:49.440 can get you one hundred thousand dollars, but it wasn't 434 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:51.359 really a formal deal. It sounded like maybe it was 435 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:55.359 just in conversation, and then there was no real follow up. Yeah, 436 00:20:55.480 --> 00:20:57.000 I think we're still kind of waiting on more of 437 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:58.799 those details and to like show it to me and 438 00:20:58.839 --> 00:21:01.440 writing like, let's let's get a better sense of what 439 00:21:01.519 --> 00:21:03.839 really happened. And then look, if you're the kid and 440 00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:06.039 you are one hundred percent under the impression that you're 441 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:08.720 getting one hundred thousand dollars and you don't get if 442 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:10.359 you put yourself in the in the kid's shoes, you 443 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:13.000 could be you could understand why he would be upset 444 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:14.480 if he's under the impression he's going to get one 445 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:16.880 hundred thousand dollars. But if you're the coach and you 446 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:19.920 don't know the deal exists, you could also understand while 447 00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:23.000 they are, uh, you know, kind of pissed off by 448 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:25.799 this whole situation as well the collective if they weren't 449 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:29.200 looped in. It's it's really just, you know, really poor 450 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:31.680 communication all the way around, and I'm having a really 451 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:34.440 tough time trying to figure out who's at fault here 452 00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:37.160 other than the NCAA and kind of letting the sport 453 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:40.200 get to this point because there's just not a clear 454 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:41.200 process for you. 455 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:43.079 Know, Kyle, it's kind of I was just thinking about 456 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:45.960 this tongue in cheek as a as a big college 457 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:47.960 basketball fan, dating all the way back to you know, 458 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:51.160 the nineties. It's kind of ironic that it's UNLV that's 459 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:53.960 not paying their players correctly because they were like the 460 00:21:54.599 --> 00:21:57.599 school under Tark that paid everybody and didn't really back, 461 00:21:57.759 --> 00:21:58.759 you know, shy away from it. 462 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:01.920 Yeah. Yeah, That's the funny thing, right, is that U 463 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:03.720 and LV is the school with his reputation of being 464 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:05.799 able to make these shady deals, and now that it's 465 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:08.119 legal for them to be the school that's having trouble 466 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:10.880 with it is certainly a kind of a funny development. 467 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:14.000 Sure, And speaking of a funny development, I asked you 468 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:17.079 and probably ten other college football guests, Hey do you 469 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:20.599 think there's any shot in do you think there's any shot, 470 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:24.920 any chance that the PAC twelve falls enough wrongs, falls 471 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:29.279 down enough wrongs after trying to recruit schools to their 472 00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:33.279 conference that they land on Utah State, right, And you 473 00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:37.160 know everybody said no chance, right, And so obviously things 474 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:39.400 have changed, and you guys have been great with this 475 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:42.079 over at the dot com side of things. 476 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:44.240 What do you make of where we find ourselves. 477 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:46.079 Now with the PAC twelve And how surprised are you 478 00:22:46.119 --> 00:22:49.119 that Utah State found their way to get an invite? 479 00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:52.279 Yeah, it's been a crazy couple of days for me, 480 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:54.799 tracking all this stuff and having those conversations to try 481 00:22:54.799 --> 00:22:58.640 to figure out what's going on behind the scenes. If 482 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:00.680 you asked me a month ago if Utah State would 483 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:02.960 be in the PAC twelve, certainly would have been surprised, right, 484 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:05.680 But you know, when it happened, I was kind of 485 00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:08.880 expecting it because they were the next they were next up. 486 00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:12.400 Once those AA schools all passed, it. 487 00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:14.200 Was pretty clear that Utah State was going to be 488 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:16.359 in the you know, in the crossairs of the PAC twelve, 489 00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:19.000 so to speak, right, And I think you know, when 490 00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:22.160 I was gaming it out, the AA school the AAC 491 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:24.640 schools that passed like that. That didn't surprise me at 492 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:27.119 all because the amount of money that the PAC twelve 493 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:28.960 was going to be able to offer them to entice 494 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:31.799 them to leave, it was a gamble without a real 495 00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:34.559 media deal, you know, with the significant buyouts that they 496 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:37.119 were going to have to pay to leave, there was 497 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:39.319 not a guarantee that situation was going to be a 498 00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:42.880 whole lot better. So, you know, once you started looking 499 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:45.599 at the numbers, it kind of made sense that Utah 500 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:46.599 State ended up there. 501 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:49.000 What do you make of the decision for both the 502 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:51.640 Air Force and UNLV to stand pat stay in the 503 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:53.720 Mound West Conference is supposed to jump ship. 504 00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:57.839 It's it's it's really similar to the decision the aa 505 00:23:58.079 --> 00:23:59.240 AAC schools made. 506 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:00.920 The Pactal just wasn't able. 507 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:04.640 To offer them enough money to justify what they were 508 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:06.440 gonna be getting from the Mountain West. You know, I 509 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:08.680 don't have the numbers nailed down, but there is a 510 00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:13.519 significant financial incentive being provided by the Mountain West to stay. 511 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:14.039 In the conference. 512 00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:15.559 You know, this is kind of a more of a 513 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:20.200 short term deal, right, and that just made it worth 514 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:20.640 their while. 515 00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:21.920 You're gonna look at those schools. 516 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:24.440 Now you're gonna have a chance to you know, be 517 00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:26.759 at the top of that conference for you know whatever 518 00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:29.279 it looks like. It certainly won't have the appearance of 519 00:24:29.319 --> 00:24:31.880 a very strong football conference, but they'll have this you know, 520 00:24:31.960 --> 00:24:34.359 call it twenty twenty five, thirty million dollars from the 521 00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:37.160 Mountain West. It was only possible because of the exit 522 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:39.640 fees that the other schools in the Mountain West were 523 00:24:39.680 --> 00:24:42.720 responsible to leave, right and so they could either go 524 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:45.920 be the eighth team in the PAC twelve. You know, 525 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:47.799 the PAC twelve, you know, kind of made it clear 526 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:50.440 early on that they didn't believe that un LB should 527 00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:53.079 be a part of that first wave. So you could 528 00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:55.599 either be the eighth school in this new look PAC twelve, 529 00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:57.799 which still isn't a power conference, or you could kind 530 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:00.000 of be the you know, the top of the heat 531 00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:03.200 in this new mountain, new look Mountain West with all 532 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:06.079 the money that they've they've been incentivized. 533 00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:06.480 With to stay. 534 00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:09.839 So, yeah, it's a it's it's an interesting dynamic, and 535 00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:11.839 you know, there's still a lot more moving that has 536 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:14.400 to happen because both conferences are still below the minimum 537 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:18.319 threshold to be to be a conference by NCAA bylaws. 538 00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:19.839 And that's where I wanted to follow up. Both need 539 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:23.279 add one more member institution. Any thoughts on who those 540 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:23.920 schools could be. 541 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:26.400 Yeah, that's what I've been spending the day trying to 542 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:29.720 figure out. And there's not a real consensus yet. I mean, 543 00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:31.640 they think if you game it out, there's a you know, 544 00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:34.119 a couple of places you go Texas State, you know, 545 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:37.240 other Conference USA schools, I mean New Mexico State to 546 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:41.519 the Mountain West, makes makes some sense. Utah is a 547 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:43.279 school that you know, look, they don't have much in 548 00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:45.519 the way of football history, but you know, that's kind 549 00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:47.680 of where we're at here, right. This is the this 550 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:49.839 is the trickle down effect of all this realignment. So 551 00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:53.039 we're talking about schools that don't really you know, relative 552 00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:55.039 to you know, the schools we're used to talking about, 553 00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:57.359 don't have a lot to offer. But that that's how 554 00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:00.480 far down the list we are. And I guess we 555 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:02.720 should have expected that, right that the realignment was never 556 00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:04.839 going to really stop and eventually those schools were going 557 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:06.799 to be brought into the mix. But I think we're 558 00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:10.759 going to see is you know, eventually some FCS schools 559 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:12.559 are probably going to have to elevate or going to 560 00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:15.839 be enticed to do so, to fill to fill out 561 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.400 all those conferences. You know, eventually you're going to run 562 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:20.079 out of schools, and so I think, you know, it's 563 00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:22.799 time to start vetting some of those FCF schools that 564 00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:23.599 might have some interest. 565 00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:26.880 When the dust settles, what happens with Gonzaga, you know, 566 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.920 because there's all this like misinformation out there. A report 567 00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:35.319 was actually tweeted out then refuted, and now I'm just 568 00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:38.000 kind of wondering, you know, when the dust settles, where 569 00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:40.200 there's where they're going to end up? Kyle, what are 570 00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:40.799 your thoughts? 571 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:43.119 Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised if they ended 572 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:46.000 up in the PAC twelve eventually. And I know the 573 00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:49.200 pactwelve has had conversations with them. I you know, confirmed 574 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:53.000 that they had conversations with Saint Mary's also in the WCC, right, 575 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:58.240 but where that conversation. When that conversation was taking place, 576 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:02.279 the PAC twelve was also optimistic it was going to 577 00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:05.160 get the four AAC schools right, and so keep in mind, 578 00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:08.440 if they had brought those four schools in, then the 579 00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:10.920 media evaluation for a potential deal was going to be 580 00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:13.559 different than it will be with wherever it settles on 581 00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:16.000 the football side, right, And so the amount of money 582 00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:18.680 that they could offer Gonzaga is going to be different 583 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:21.200 now than it would have been with the AA schools 584 00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:24.279 in the mix of the AAC schools and potentially un LB. 585 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:24.759 In the mix. 586 00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:27.079 And so now Gonzaga has to then look at it 587 00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:30.039 again and say, Okay, like we have a pretty good 588 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:32.359 thing going here, We've been able to turn ourselves into 589 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:34.640 a national brand playing in this conference. 590 00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:36.599 Do we leave for. 591 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:38.680 Whatever it is the pack this new look PAC twelve 592 00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:41.079 has to offer. I think it's a little bit of 593 00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:43.359 a different conversation than it would have been with those 594 00:27:43.400 --> 00:27:47.519 AAC schools. But yeah, I think once it's set, once 595 00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:50.680 football is settled, those conversations can get a little bit 596 00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:53.559 more serious again and they can kind of work out 597 00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:55.240 if it makes sense for both parties. I think the 598 00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:59.000 PAC twelve would like to have Gonzaga and potentially Saint 599 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:03.119 Mary's if it just for like for numbers purposes for basketball. 600 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:06.880 Their payouts will be different than the football schools. Of 601 00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:10.759 course that should be pretty well understood. But yeah, I 602 00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:12.599 think we have to just wait a little bit before that. 603 00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:14.759 Those talks can really heat up and see how real 604 00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:15.119 they'll be. 605 00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.680 One more quick expansion question, because then we'll actually get 606 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:22.759 to games that are being played. What's the latest as 607 00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:26.480 far as you understanding goes with Yukon and their flirtation 608 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:28.880 Brett or Mark East Coast guy, he wants the New 609 00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:30.960 York market, and as somebody grew up back there, I 610 00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:33.119 can tell you Yukon basketball moves the needle in a 611 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.720 way that Saint John's doesn't, or you know, even Syracuse. 612 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:37.799 Obviously they're upstate. 613 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.519 But Yukon basketball would help the Big Twelve, you know, 614 00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:44.039 at least kind of sneak in a little bit through 615 00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:45.960 the side door to that New York market. Do you 616 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:49.559 think that's a union that is inevitable given time? Where 617 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:50.000 are you at with that? 618 00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:51.440 Yeah, I don't know. 619 00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:54.240 I don't have any great like first hand insight and reporting, 620 00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:56.240 like only the only inside I have to that is 621 00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:58.480 just what I've what I've read as well. Yeah, I 622 00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:02.079 mean it's it's an interest proposition, right, But the problem 623 00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:04.400 is that is that Yukon also has football, and I 624 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:07.920 don't think the Big Twelve has any interest in bringing 625 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:11.240 Yukon football into the mix. I know the Pac twelve 626 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:15.000 has had some discussions with Yukon, like preliminary discussions about 627 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:17.079 bringing them in as a football only member to try 628 00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:20.240 to get to try to get them to the necessary 629 00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:22.799 amount of schools too. Right, So Yukon's in a weird 630 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:26.720 place fitting into this whole mix. I mean, the conversations 631 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:29.519 have been ongoing for a while. My understanding is that 632 00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:32.440 a lot of the schools in the Big twelve were 633 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:35.480 not really in favor of having Yukon enter the league, 634 00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:38.640 and that probably carried the days as far as setting 635 00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:40.559 those conversations to the side for the time being. 636 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:41.759 All right, good stuff there. 637 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:44.039 You guys have done a great job and you've specifically 638 00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:46.480 on kind of helping us understand all of this. Let's 639 00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:49.240 move over now to the Utes who start out four 640 00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:52.240 oh one to oer on Big twelve play and you know, 641 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:55.759 camera rising. It continues to be a question mark and 642 00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:58.759 Isaac Wilson has been understanded of the past couple of games, 643 00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:00.319 but they've been able to get it done. And they 644 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.400 go to Stillwater where no one wins. I mean, Oklahoma 645 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:07.039 State is tough to play in their stadium, but a 646 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:09.160 four and oh start one and N one conference, they 647 00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:12.640 welcome in Arizona coming up on Saturday night, and Kyle, 648 00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:15.119 as you know, Arizona stopped him pretty good last year, 649 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:17.279 and the coaches and players have talked a lot about 650 00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:21.359 that throughout the course of the week. Watching Arizona k State, 651 00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:23.759 watching ky State kind of bully them around the field, 652 00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:25.599 gives me a lot of confidence that you talk and 653 00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:28.160 do the same. So where yet with the start of 654 00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:30.240 the utes season and what do you think happens on 655 00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:30.920 Saturday night? 656 00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:33.920 Yeah, I mean you have to be happy with four 657 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.359 and oh obviously right, and the fact that yeah, I 658 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:38.400 mean you look, if you looked at the schedule to 659 00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:40.279 start the year, I mean I think the Oklahoma State 660 00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:42.200 game was the game that was like, oh yeah, that's 661 00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:43.839 that'll be the toughest game on the schedule. 662 00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:46.839 It's Oklahoma State. They you know, came in with high expectations. 663 00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:47.559 That's on the road. 664 00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:52.759 And to win that game without Cam, I think is 665 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.359 a statement of intent about what's possible this season. I 666 00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:58.240 still think they need him back to make a real 667 00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:00.920 run at the playoff and hops the things that they 668 00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:04.680 think they can right that, I think they can. But 669 00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:07.880 at the you know, at the same time, it's I 670 00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:12.240 feel so like gunshy now about like what do. 671 00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:12.640 You make of it? 672 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:14.960 Right, It's been the same story for for a long 673 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:16.680 time with with Cam and. 674 00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:18.640 Is he available? Is he not available? This one doesn't 675 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:20.519 seem as serious. But at the same time, you know. 676 00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:22.920 There was a there was like early last year, we 677 00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:24.759 also thought he was a week away, right, And so 678 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:28.319 it's hard to really try to make sense of it. 679 00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:30.640 I'm sure that you guys have a better read into 680 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:32.799 it just being there and and and and hearing from 681 00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:35.200 players and coaches during the week, but you know, from 682 00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:37.480 a national perspective, trying to monitor it is it has 683 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:42.480 become really difficult. Arizona interesting team because I mean I 684 00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:44.359 was really high on Arizona coming to the year. They 685 00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:46.400 have a lot back from a team that you know, 686 00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:48.920 finished the finished last year with seven straight wins. It 687 00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:50.680 was one of the best seasons in school history. You 688 00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.039 got this quarterback who was playing at a Heisman level 689 00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:56.960 down the stretch, best receiver in college football. But the 690 00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:59.720 last two weeks that the offense just hasn't hasn't clicked. 691 00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:01.880 I mean they didn't move the ball at all outside 692 00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:05.359 the first drive against Kansas State and even against Northern Arizona, 693 00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:08.759 it was pretty dire on the offensive side, and so 694 00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:12.160 they had the talent to be good and to give 695 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:14.240 you tall all it can handle. And you saw, you 696 00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:17.400 know McMillan, and I know if it beat the last 697 00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:20.359 year and what they can do. But you know, here 698 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.640 we are three games into the year and they have 699 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:24.559 kind of reset expectations on Arizona. 700 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:25.799 So I'm excited to be there. 701 00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:28.319 I'll be there in Salt Lake this this weekend for 702 00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:30.160 this one. I'm so excited to check out both these 703 00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:31.799 teams in person for the first time this year. 704 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:34.759 Oh very nice, Well, travel safe, you can enjoy some 705 00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:36.640 great weather. It's a late kick, but it's supposed to 706 00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.480 be like seventy degrees at eight o'clock on Saturday, so 707 00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:42.440 it should be a lot of fun. Let me ask 708 00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.119 you your opinion on because you know, we've discussed the 709 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:48.559 as you can imagine here in Salt Lake, we've discussed 710 00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:53.720 the Cam Rising Isaac Wilson dynamic quite a bit. Look, 711 00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:56.759 the bottom line, Kyle is money does change the equation. 712 00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:00.480 It does change the conversation. And folks around here like 713 00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:02.920 if Cameron Rising is really being paid seven figures to 714 00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:04.839 play quarterback for the University of Utah. I think it 715 00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:08.160 changes the way people view how this stuff has been handled. 716 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:10.200 Now I am of the opinion that he's hurt. 717 00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:13.119 We had coach went on the show yesterday and they're 718 00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.039 trying to get him back, and when he's right, he's 719 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:15.640 going to play. 720 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:17.920 That's where I stand now. You reference last year. 721 00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:22.079 It was the same stuff every week, getting close you know, 722 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:25.079 needs to be cleared by the doctor, doctor Neil A. Trasha, 723 00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:26.720 And that was a real thing. I'm not saying it wasn't. 724 00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:30.720 But do you think we're high speed ahead to college 725 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:35.079 football adopting the pro model of reporting injuries? Because until 726 00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:37.799 Kyle gets the email from the Big twelve saying you 727 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.680 got to report, he's simply gonna do everything he can 728 00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:43.400 to do his one job, which is to win football games. 729 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:46.480 And if he thinks holding some information back gives him 730 00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:48.839 an advantage, he's going to continue to do it. At 731 00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.000 some point, do you think coaches will be mandated to 732 00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:52.599 report like they are in pro football. 733 00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:55.480 I do think that's going to be the case, And 734 00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:58.160 it's already happening in the SEC, I believe. 735 00:33:59.559 --> 00:33:59.799 This year. 736 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:03.319 And so look it's it's once it starts like yeah, 737 00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:05.480 I think a lot of those policies kind of fall 738 00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:08.360 into line across the country, So like, I can't imagine 739 00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:10.760 there's a world where the SEC is the only conference 740 00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:14.440 doing that into perpetuity, right, I think it's reasonable to. 741 00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:17.880 Have that policy in play. 742 00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:21.760 But look, I covered the forty nine ers when Jim 743 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.960 Harbaugh was the coach, and he said something that always 744 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:27.559 stuck with me is like, look, if we think something 745 00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:29.960 is going to give us, you know, a one percent 746 00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:32.239 chance to be better, to have a better chance, so 747 00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:34.039 when we're going to chase that one percent? And it 748 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:36.360 was like something really insignificant that he was talking about 749 00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:38.880 at the time, But I think that applies with the 750 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.000 injury stuff. I mean, if you can force another team 751 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:44.880 to prepare for two quarterbacks that are kind of different 752 00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:47.559 in style, like, yeah, there's there's probably some benefit there, 753 00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:49.599 Like is it going to swing the game? You know, 754 00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:52.199 I don't know, Probably not right. But at the same time, 755 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:55.239 if you're adding a little bit more to the other 756 00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:57.159 team's plate during the week that they have to prepare for, 757 00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:59.800 like that's not a bad thing. And I don't know, 758 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:05.320 there's a real tangible benefit to announcing your starter early 759 00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.239 and so yeah, like I want to find out who's plan. 760 00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:10.719 It will generate interest, right. It certainly helps spetding lines 761 00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:12.599 and those sort of things, and gives everyone a better 762 00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:16.920 sense about what to expect. But yeah, I think Kyle's 763 00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:18.840 wealth and his right to operate that way is as 764 00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:20.039 frustrating as it might be. 765 00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:25.119 So we might have two very elite college football teams 766 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:27.039 in our state. Now I am a pump the brakes 767 00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:30.119 guy on BYU for now, just because of the way 768 00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:32.239 the game went down last weekend against k State. But 769 00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.519 k State rolls into Provo as the number thirteen team 770 00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:39.400 in the country and BYU just smoked them. Now, there 771 00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:43.000 was a insane punt return, there was a scoop and score. 772 00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:44.559 There were two picks inside of the red zone. 773 00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:46.400 I think BYU had like two hundred and forty nine 774 00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:47.280 yards of offense. 775 00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:49.039 But it is what it is. They get to win. 776 00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:51.119 It wasn't close there four and oh, now they were 777 00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:53.440 three and oh a year ago. They get into Big 778 00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:56.320 twelve play last year and it was just a catastrophe. 779 00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:58.199 They will tell you there were one or two plays 780 00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:00.440 from winning three or four of the games. That's great. 781 00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:03.400 I don't hand out participation trophies on the show. They've 782 00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:06.000 never won a big twelve road game. They're zero and five. 783 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:10.039 They've lost their last ten day games. Crazy enough, it's 784 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.880 a ten am kick at least Mountain time style at Baylor. 785 00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:15.639 So before I set you loose, same question I asked 786 00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:17.840 you about Utah. What do you make of BYU's clean start? 787 00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:19.760 What do you think happens coming up on Saturday? 788 00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:22.840 Yeah, I mean I think I think they're clearly a 789 00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:24.159 better team than Baylor. 790 00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:26.280 Right, Like the early morning thing is interesting. 791 00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:28.360 I wasn't aware of that, but yeah, I mean, like 792 00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:30.679 you have TOD four to oh, I think the SMU 793 00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.559 win actually looks pretty good. It was a kind of 794 00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:35.159 a not in a very exciting game, but look, they 795 00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:36.840 held a team to fifteen points that went out and 796 00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:40.440 scored sixty six the next week, Right, and so there's 797 00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:42.800 something you know to like about that. I mean, the 798 00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.239 rest of the schedule, you know, make up what you will, 799 00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:47.440 but I you know, to be here at four oh, 800 00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:50.320 to have the win against K State and look as 801 00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:53.800 kind of unusual as the game was against K State, 802 00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:54.199 I mean, you. 803 00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:55.480 Laid it out well with just all that. 804 00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:58.760 It wasn't the traditional domination, but it was still a 805 00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:01.079 lop sided win against a ranked team that had just 806 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:04.079 had its way with Arizona the week before, right, And 807 00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:06.519 so yeah, I mean I think it's this is always 808 00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:08.320 the case early in the year, Right, It's like, Okay, 809 00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:10.840 we're watching, we're paying attention. Now you've earned the right 810 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:14.400 to kind of be in the conversation. And now at 811 00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:15.920 this point of the season is where we kind of 812 00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:18.559 really separate, you know, and try to figure out how 813 00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:20.679 what to make of those early non conference results. 814 00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:24.360 Cole, appreciate the time, man, enjoy the weekend ahead, and 815 00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:26.199 enjoy your time out here, and we'll get you back 816 00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:26.760 on again soon. 817 00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:28.760 Okay, sounds good, all right. 818 00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:32.039 Kyle Bonegaert covers college football for ESPN. Get him on 819 00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:35.519 Twitter at vonneger at ESPN. 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We 848 00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:57.679 missed it the last couple of weeks. 849 00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:01.119 How you doing, buddy, I'm doing well. Thanks, Yeah, it 850 00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:05.880 was phoned in. You did, Bro, I'm better, I'm better 851 00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:06.840 in person. 852 00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:08.480 You are. I say it all the time. 853 00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:13.719 And our next guest who has my sincere permission to 854 00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:16.079 always be over the phone and not in studio because 855 00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:19.079 he is such a true pro Craig Bowler, Jack Bowler, 856 00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:19.519 how are you? 857 00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:24.239 He spent some good I'd rather be setting alongside you 858 00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:28.880 and Gordo, but appreciate just the time to chat. 859 00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:29.199 Man. 860 00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:30.000 It's Gordo. 861 00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.440 How you been man, I've. 862 00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:34.480 Been all right, I mean, staying out of trouble for 863 00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:35.880 the most part as far as you know. 864 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:39.960 Well, Spence and I don't believe that, but we'll try 865 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:41.199 to take your word for it. Today. 866 00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:43.719 Well, it's great to have both you here and Craig. 867 00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:46.079 We're gonna take advantage of having you with us for 868 00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:49.119 the first segment to do just a little bit of 869 00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:53.199 jazz just to scosh because okay, all right, ultimately people 870 00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:55.599 on football, We're gonna give him college football. Gordon's been 871 00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:58.280 writing about both BYU and Utah. Both b YU and 872 00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:02.320 Utah remain clean and you're beloved Case State alma mater 873 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:05.320 had to go home with the y L. But our 874 00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:09.079 friend Howard Beck, who joins the show for the NBA 875 00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:11.119 Daily Assist every year with the Ringer. 876 00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:12.440 He does this every year. 877 00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:16.280 He talks about his tiers in pro basketball and trying 878 00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:19.159 to understand the direction of the team. It's not a 879 00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:22.239 win lost guess, although Pelton did that today. It's more 880 00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:24.840 of like, Okay, here's what the Raptors are doing, here's 881 00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:27.719 what the Knicks are doing. Here's what Howard wrote about 882 00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:29.679 the Jazz. Okay, And I'll read it in, Craig, I 883 00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:30.119 want your. 884 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.119 Reaction, yes, yes, quote. 885 00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:35.079 And as for the Jazz, they might be the most 886 00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:37.880 confusing of all. A team that jettison it's two all 887 00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:40.880 stars two years ago, isn't good enough to make the playoffs, 888 00:40:41.239 --> 00:40:43.320 and isn't bad enough to nab a high draft pick. 889 00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:45.639 They could have dealt lowry market in a dozen times 890 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:48.320 by now, but they instead gave Hi him an extension 891 00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:51.519 that makes him trade ineligible until next summer. They're neither 892 00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:54.400 trying to win nor they're trying to lose. The epitome 893 00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:57.360 of a franchise with an identity crisis. What do you 894 00:40:57.360 --> 00:40:58.320 make of that, Craig. 895 00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:00.920 No, I think you know, he he's spun on. I 896 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:04.440 think there is an identity crisis. From my chair, I'm 897 00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:08.199 not privy to all the inside, behind the doors conversations, 898 00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:12.760 but you know, we will talk tomorrow in a press 899 00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:16.920 conference with Ryan Smith and Danny and Justin Zannik, and 900 00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:21.280 maybe some of this will be clarified. I think it's 901 00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:26.159 very clear that they kept marketing as a centerpiece of 902 00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:31.119 a of a young team that maybe Danny again has 903 00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:34.840 something Spence and Gordo that he sees marketing able to 904 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:38.440 lure someone else in. I don't know, but you have 905 00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:42.199 to win to do that. And you know what I 906 00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:46.039 think is here is that the Jazz may fly under 907 00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:49.599 the radar of popularity for the first time in eons 908 00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:52.800 because of a hockey team in town that's going to 909 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:56.039 steal a lot of eyes from the Jazz. Now do 910 00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:58.679 they fly under the radar? Maybe they like that, you know, 911 00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:02.199 but I find it's still intriguing for me that you 912 00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:06.400 have two professional teams in town vne for ies, television, 913 00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:10.280 vying for ticket sales, Jazz and the Utah Hockey Club 914 00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:14.639 and sponsorship money, and you know, when you're both winning, 915 00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:18.639 it makes it a little easier there's so much excitement 916 00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:23.800 surrounded a hockey team, and I totally understand why, but 917 00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:26.960 you know that doesn't give the Jazz a pass. I mean, 918 00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.639 the one thing this team's always done was trying to 919 00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:33.679 be a playoff team, and right now very few give 920 00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:37.440 them any chance of winning thirty games, maybe twenty five 921 00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:44.000 unless something happens of maybe oddity, that one of these 922 00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:46.639 six young players that have been taken in the last 923 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:50.840 two years, now three this past summer and three last summer, 924 00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:53.920 actually one or two of them pop. And what I 925 00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:57.199 mean by that is that they make a huge advancement 926 00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:01.920 in their development as an NBA row. I guess we'll 927 00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:05.199 all wait and see, but no, it is unpredictable. It 928 00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:07.880 is a scratch of the head of what direction the 929 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:10.440 Jazz want to go. And I think, you know, we 930 00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:13.239 all talked to three of us, had many summer conversations 931 00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:15.880 about marketing, and He's right, you know, he was in 932 00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:21.280 every rumor. He was in every discussion, mostly with Golden 933 00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:24.320 State and other teams that were interested in marketing to 934 00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:29.039 really put that particular team over the top uh market. 935 00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:31.639 And I think chose to stay here. And you know what, 936 00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:35.039 that's a rarity by itself, Svince and Uh, I think 937 00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:37.320 we're gonna get the answers we need to know here 938 00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:40.599 very soon. We're going to play first preseason game a 939 00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:42.960 week from tomorrow night, and it's gonna be let's just 940 00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:45.199 say this, it's going to be youth on stage. I mean, 941 00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:47.960 there's no there's no question about that, Pordo. 942 00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:52.320 From my vantage point, and I mean this sincerely, I 943 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:56.679 don't know that I can remember a season that's approaching 944 00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:59.760 with this little buzz and excitement about the Jazz in 945 00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:03.559 our That's just kind of my feel about it. Where 946 00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:05.400 you're at right now as we enter training camp, and 947 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:08.119 as Craig mentioned, the first preseason game right around the corner. 948 00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:10.559 I agree with the spence. And last year I was 949 00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:13.119 shocked that the building was as full as it was 950 00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:16.679 a game after game after game, and I wondered, how 951 00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:19.440 long can this last? I mean, Jazz fans are really 952 00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:22.519 good fans, and they have that reputation around the league. 953 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:27.599 But but maybe maybe it's you know, U Tall Football 954 00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:32.079 BYU Football. Maybe it's Utah Hockey Club. Maybe there's other 955 00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:37.639 things going on that are distractions to the Jazz and Bowler. 956 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.880 You've brought that up a lot about what the relationship 957 00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:45.360 will be between hockey and basketball and whether there's a 958 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:48.599 friendly competition there or how that goes as far as 959 00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:53.320 ticket sales is concerned. And I don't know. I agree 960 00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:58.119 expectations are extremely low, Bowler and and I just don't 961 00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:01.280 see a likelihood or any kind of high percentage or 962 00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:06.519 even a modest percentage that they're really going to provide 963 00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:08.719 a product this year that people are gonna. 964 00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:09.679 Go, wow, look at this. 965 00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:14.239 Yeah, there'll be little you know, tidbits here there, Keyante, 966 00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:18.119 you know, growing Cody popping, whatever it is, but nothing. 967 00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:20.840 And I think Howard's point is the right point. And 968 00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:22.800 I've been on it for two years. I was never 969 00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:25.360 like trade everybody and get rid of Dennis and Quinn. 970 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:26.320 I was never that guy. 971 00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:29.480 But okay, that's the deal, all right, Then go all 972 00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:32.199 in on a rebuild. At Howard's point is the one 973 00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:34.960 I've been yelling about for two years. What is the direction? 974 00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:38.440 Where is your lane? And everybody's talking about this prior 975 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:40.719 to the NBA season. Anyone who writes about the Jazz 976 00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:43.119 are just kind of like no clue man, no idea, 977 00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:46.159 some decent pieces here or there, you know, Craig will 978 00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:48.159 give you the final word, the let's do some college football. 979 00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:51.880 Yeah, Spence, I think you know what maybe led us 980 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:56.039 all astray was one comment last year after the season 981 00:45:56.119 --> 00:46:01.079 with Danny when he said he was potentially big game hunting, 982 00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:04.559 and I think that just kind of stuck thinking that 983 00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:09.039 the big move was imminent, right, wouldn't to agree? I 984 00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:11.880 mean that comment to me when I sat there, I thought, 985 00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:15.400 oh wow, Okay, now we kind of see youth with 986 00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:19.719 another piece or two with marketing most likely, and then 987 00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:23.760 they'll let the young guys grow around a veteran. I 988 00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:26.960 can't say core, but you mix and you still don't 989 00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:30.119 achieve what you want, but you have a blending of 990 00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:34.920 talent and also a way for young players to understand 991 00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:37.960 what it takes to be a pro in this league, 992 00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:41.360 the work ethic right, and how to take losses and 993 00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:45.000 how to handle wins and balance all that that did 994 00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:49.639 not occur Drew you Banks, Patty Mills, you know, long 995 00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:54.800 long term veterans, and so that may or may not 996 00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:57.440 have any role in this team at all. I just 997 00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:01.239 see marketing the centerpiece and around a bunch of young 998 00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:05.119 nineteen twenty year olds. I think I'm intrigued with Walker Kessler. 999 00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:09.400 Will he win games, you know, not by himself? And 1000 00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:12.800 of course Philipowski has some talent out of Duke. This 1001 00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:16.519 early second round pick, Cody Williams, what does he do? 1002 00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:19.760 Does Hey does Keante bust open? Is this guy really 1003 00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:22.360 the guy that's going to run this team? I don't know, 1004 00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:24.559 and I guess we'll all I hate to say this, 1005 00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:27.800 we'll all find out together. But as this conversation continues, 1006 00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:30.639 people I run into asking the same thing. I said, Look, 1007 00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:33.639 you know I don't have I don't have that magic, 1008 00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:37.079 you know magic, but you know singing ball that can 1009 00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:39.559 predict anything. I think we just have to find out 1010 00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:42.559 together on what what direction Danny really thinks in the 1011 00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:45.599 evaluation of these young guys, if the actually are going 1012 00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:48.559 to stick, or if there'll be pieces that would be 1013 00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:52.760 moved out before the trade deadline or next season. But yeah, 1014 00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.079 it's kind of interesting to watch the Jazz for the 1015 00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:57.079 first time in a long time not be the talking 1016 00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:00.800 point of the fall going into camp, and to have 1017 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:04.599 a hockey club and NHL franchise really kind of stealing 1018 00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:05.519 the headlines right now. 1019 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:08.000 All right, let's do some college football, because Craig, I 1020 00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:09.599 know your time is limited. I want to get some 1021 00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:11.360 of your takes here, but Gordon will start with you 1022 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.039 on the Utes going to Stillwater and getting to win 1023 00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:17.400 with their backup quarterback. Now, I've been talking about it 1024 00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:20.400 all week. I don't love the lack of information, but 1025 00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:23.239 I understand why Kyle does it. And until Kyle gets 1026 00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:25.880 the email from the Big twelve saying we report injuries 1027 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.480 now like the NFL and the SEC do, he's going 1028 00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:30.960 to continue to hold information back if he thinks it 1029 00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:33.719 gives him an advantage. His job is not to tell 1030 00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:36.840 us who's playing quarterback. His job is doing football games. 1031 00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:40.239 And it just looks like the same old Utes, doesn't it, 1032 00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:42.199 the same old coach with a team no matter who's 1033 00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:43.920 under center, they're going to run the ball, they're going 1034 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:45.960 to tackle, they're going to be prepared, work hard and 1035 00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:48.880 win four to oh one tone conference play. 1036 00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:50.000 Where you're at with the Utes right now. 1037 00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:52.519 Nowhere near as good as if came Rising were playing, 1038 00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:55.360 for sure. I mean that's clear, clear for anywhere see. 1039 00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:59.159 And you know, I mean maybe Cam thought he was 1040 00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.280 going to have a chance play, but I was told 1041 00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:04.079 that it was the kid who was getting all the 1042 00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:07.760 reps during the week, So I think that was pretty 1043 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:10.360 much what they were planning on. But they hid that 1044 00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:12.800 pretty well because most people I talked to thought Cam 1045 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:14.760 was going to give it a go. He was not. 1046 00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:17.519 They beat that team, one of the best teams that 1047 00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:22.840 they'll face all year long on the road, playing Utah football, 1048 00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:25.440 punching them in the mouth. That's what they did. And 1049 00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:27.719 that defense, that defense is tough. And I know a 1050 00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:29.599 lot of people wondered a little bit about, well, what 1051 00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:31.639 happened at the end of the game, giving up two 1052 00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:35.039 touchdowns and two two point conversions? What about that? By 1053 00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:38.199 that time the game was over with and Amy Lovewood 1054 00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:41.519 was just holding back on that offense. He saw the 1055 00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:44.079 three turnovers in the first half and didn't want to 1056 00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:49.519 risk that with Wilson quarterback, and so he went extremely conservative. 1057 00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:51.679 And so the youths pick up two hundred and forty 1058 00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:56.360 nine yards rushing and they play old school Utah football, 1059 00:49:56.840 --> 00:50:00.559 And I think they answered this question. Guys. People wondered, 1060 00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:03.760 can the Utes really come in from that Nandy Pamby 1061 00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:07.920 Pac twelve and come into the Big twelve and punch 1062 00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:10.400 these teams in the mouth the way that they are 1063 00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:13.119 accustomed to doing and the way they have built a 1064 00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:16.639 reputation around. That's exactly what they did on the road 1065 00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:19.880 in the place they had never played before, and they 1066 00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:23.000 showed the Big twelve what you tall football is all about. 1067 00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:25.840 And the thing is, when Cam Rising is back, that 1068 00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:28.760 team is going to elevate in a way that is 1069 00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:35.360 going to be pretty interesting to watch because Cam Rising's 1070 00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:39.400 presence on that team lifts everybody, even the defense, I think, 1071 00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:42.679 because all the players rally around that. Yeah, they're giving 1072 00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:44.679 the kid the chance and he's coming along and he's 1073 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:48.039 he's a talent, he is, but he's just not ready 1074 00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:50.119 to take the Utes to the level at which they 1075 00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:53.159 can play. And when they are at that level, watch out. 1076 00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:54.800 I could see this team winning out. 1077 00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:57.599 One of the three of us went to a school 1078 00:50:57.639 --> 00:50:59.599 that is in the Big twelve and it's familiar with 1079 00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:02.000 the land Escape of the Big Twelve and Craig Bowler. Jack, 1080 00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:04.320 you know that Mike Gundhy does not lose in Stillwater, 1081 00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.039 he just doesn't. That's a tough place to play and 1082 00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.639 you roll in there with your backup true freshman QB. 1083 00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:10.280 You get a win. 1084 00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:11.599 Where are you at now at the start of the 1085 00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:12.360 season for the Utes. 1086 00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:19.679 I'm impressed, Gordo said, it the ground game with Micah 1087 00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:24.119 Bernard blew me away. His strength is ridiculous. Guys, after 1088 00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:27.840 the initial hit, he's averaging about seven yards of carrier. 1089 00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.119 Then Mike Mitchell gives you some strength on the goal 1090 00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:32.719 line too, But you know the defenses where it's at 1091 00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:36.519 thirteen points a game allowed on a four and oh start. 1092 00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.159 You know, I think for me, I get so many 1093 00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:42.639 people and guys, I think this Cam Rising thing has 1094 00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:46.280 angered some fans. Look, I don't know when he's coming back, 1095 00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:49.519 if it's you know, last week we talked about him 1096 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:53.239 playing or that's why I spence you kind of I 1097 00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:58.480 thought pull the string or the trigger on the Vegas line. 1098 00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:03.559 They knew something we didn't, And I think that it 1099 00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:06.719 is time to let people know who's in who's out. 1100 00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:09.639 I mean, look what happened at UNLV with the kid 1101 00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:15.119 Matthew Sluka, who's out now and quit the team over 1102 00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:18.960 one hundred thousand dollars promise on an nil. Look, and 1103 00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.800 Cam's making reportedly did you say seven figures? 1104 00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:24.000 Those are the rumors. 1105 00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:24.440 I mean. 1106 00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:27.119 The problem is, like everything else, there's no one place 1107 00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:28.639 to actually get anything that's real. 1108 00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:29.880 We're all kind of guessed. 1109 00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:33.599 Right, well, this was the problem with UNLV. You know, 1110 00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:36.480 the assistant coach at Lesley promised this type of one 1111 00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:39.719 hundred thousand dollars payoff. And I think it's just getting 1112 00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:42.159 to the point now where fans are like again, I 1113 00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:46.960 think it's a danger time in college football. Look UNLV 1114 00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:50.519 they decide to jump into the Pac twelve. Excuse me, 1115 00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:52.800 they decided to stay in the Mountain West. But Utah 1116 00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:54.599 State jumps with a few other teams. 1117 00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:56.760 You know, the whole. 1118 00:52:56.599 --> 00:53:01.960 Landscape is just rocky, unpredictable. And you know what, if 1119 00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:08.039 you're gonna pay players, I'm I'm I'm in the physition now, 1120 00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:10.880 and you guys know I'm old school. I didn't like 1121 00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:13.760 the fact players being paid, but I get it. But 1122 00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:17.440 if it's now that way semi pro football in college, 1123 00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.039 then if you're getting paid, then they should know if 1124 00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:22.360 you can play or not. I mean, this is gambling, 1125 00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:24.679 by the way, Spencer, you and I talked about it 1126 00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:28.079 last week about how it slid four points in a 1127 00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:31.639 matter of what for two hours, and so how does 1128 00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:35.159 that play into the betting scheme of college football when 1129 00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:38.320 you don't know who is on the field. I love 1130 00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:40.760 it being paid. I think this is a danger time 1131 00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:44.079 right now and UNLV's quarterback maybe the tip of the 1132 00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:44.920 iceberg on this. 1133 00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:48.320 Yeah, that that story yesterday since shockwaves. I love how 1134 00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:52.719 when paying players was illegal, Jerry Jerry Tarkanian, which is 1135 00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:56.039 paying everybody and not even apologizing. Now it's legal, and 1136 00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:57.920 he's like, no, we can't do it. You know, it's 1137 00:53:58.039 --> 00:53:59.760 interesting that it actually comes from Vegas. 1138 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:03.719 Let's move over since Bush suing the answer. 1139 00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:05.519 Yeah, yeah, and as he should. 1140 00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:07.400 But since Craig only has a few more minutes, let's 1141 00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:08.239 do a little BYU. 1142 00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:10.039 Then we'll start something. I got a news for you guys. 1143 00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:10.920 It's gonna get worse. 1144 00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:12.960 Oh sure, but let's do that next second, because let's 1145 00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.280 talk a little BYU. So Craig will give you the 1146 00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:16.920 first crack of this since you have a couple of 1147 00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:20.239 minutes left BYU. Also a clean start. We had a 1148 00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:22.360 rod on last week and I said, you know what 1149 00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:24.519 gives you because they were three and oh last year. 1150 00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:27.599 Then they get into conference and it just didn't go well. 1151 00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:29.480 They'll spin it like, hey, we were a couple of 1152 00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:32.760 plays away from winning three more games. Great, congratulations, print 1153 00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:36.039 the shirts. They have not won a road game in 1154 00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:37.719 the Big twelve their own to five. They go to 1155 00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.119 Baylor as an underdog. Give me your thoughts. Do you 1156 00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:42.639 think the start of the season from Brigham Young is 1157 00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:43.280 actually real? 1158 00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:44.360 Are they really this good? 1159 00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:45.519 Well? 1160 00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:47.480 Okay, I know people say I'm going to try to 1161 00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:50.639 protect kse State because That's where I went. And look, 1162 00:54:50.840 --> 00:54:53.760 it was an implosion by by Kansas State. But I 1163 00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:56.559 will say this, what teams have to do when another 1164 00:54:56.599 --> 00:54:59.280 team implos is when the ball lands in your hands, 1165 00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:04.039 then you must take advantage and punish them. And that's 1166 00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:09.400 what BYU did with Kalanie Sataki and and forcing the turnovers. 1167 00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:12.039 K State coughed it up. You throw the pick the 1168 00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:15.920 young kid, Avery Johnson, sophomore, and all of a sudden 1169 00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:22.039 they aren't mature enough to handle that type of of collapse. 1170 00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:23.239 Is I'm going to say? 1171 00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:23.599 So? 1172 00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:26.079 You turn it up, turn it over three times and 1173 00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:29.920 the ninety yard punt return was a beautiful thing. That's 1174 00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:32.440 a top three play of the year at the moment 1175 00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:35.320 in college football. It may rise as the year rolls on, 1176 00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:43.440 but uh, the Kingston kid showed incredible talent, speed, nimble, patience, 1177 00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:47.239 picked up the blocks and basically that was it. K 1178 00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:50.880 State was done and I was just sitting there going, Wow, 1179 00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:55.199 I've never seen this team or a team lately implode 1180 00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:59.519 like they did. But by you took advantage of every opportunity, 1181 00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:01.840 and that's why winning football has. You have to do 1182 00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:04.360 that to win against a ranked team, mind you, and 1183 00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.199 now by You find themselves ranked twenty two in the 1184 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:11.280 coaches pulls. So the Baylor game may be the one 1185 00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:14.400 the tipping point. Never easy to win on the road. 1186 00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:18.760 Baylor has some highs and lows in their program, but 1187 00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:21.840 they're a favorite of a field goal, or so I think, 1188 00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:24.360 and that's usually what happens when you're at home. You 1189 00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:27.480 get the three point advantage unless you're really bad. So 1190 00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:32.639 this I think this game Week five, Game five may 1191 00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:35.519 be the one who really get to see who BYU is, 1192 00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:37.800 unless Baylor just wants to hand it to him right, 1193 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:38.880 which I don't think they're gonna do. 1194 00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:41.880 Gordo, you sat here two months ago and you said 1195 00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:45.599 they're better than people think. Media picked BYU thirteenth in 1196 00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:48.119 the Big twelve poll Vegas set over under four and 1197 00:56:48.159 --> 00:56:50.559 a half. I taded them as six. You said two 1198 00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:52.599 months ago you thought BYU is better than people think. 1199 00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:53.679 So far you've been proven right. 1200 00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:56.599 Well, only because that's what Colonie Sataki told me to 1201 00:56:56.639 --> 00:57:00.199 my face. We talked for almost an hour and I 1202 00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:02.840 couldn't believe how optimistic he was because I was a 1203 00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:06.159 skeptic and he just went on and on. I said, no, no, no, 1204 00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:10.079 this team is better than people don't have us right. 1205 00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:13.480 They don't have us right. And so far he's been 1206 00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:17.400 right and everybody else was wrong. I think I've seen 1207 00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:20.400 enough how to BYU this year to really believe that 1208 00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:23.159 they are better. Now are they better than Kansas State? 1209 00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:26.280 If those two teams played on a neutral field ten times, 1210 00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:31.760 I would say BYU might get three, maybe two. And 1211 00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:34.199 yet that's the way it went on that particular night 1212 00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:38.960 with that home fueled win. That was a big win 1213 00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:42.719 for BYU. And I understand that Kansas State is good bowler. 1214 00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:45.079 I'm not going to run the Wildcats down. I think. 1215 00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:47.719 I think that's a good team that will bounce back. 1216 00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:52.280 But BYU has more than we. They're one went away 1217 00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:54.800 from tying how many wins they had last year, and 1218 00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:57.039 I know they fell apart last year they lost five 1219 00:57:57.079 --> 00:57:59.800 straight down the stretch. I don't see that happening this 1220 00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:02.840 they have. They have Houston on the schedule, that's going 1221 00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:05.000 to be a win, right, So what happens on the 1222 00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:07.599 other this team could go eight and four. I don't 1223 00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:09.840 know what they'll do, and I'm not predicting it one 1224 00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:12.119 way or another. I'm just saying that that team is 1225 00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:14.239 better than we thought it was. And a lot of 1226 00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:17.239 that has to do with that defense. That that that 1227 00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:20.079 that run we were talking about against k State Bowler, 1228 00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:24.840 I mean, the defense scored, the special team scored, and 1229 00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:29.400 the offense score. Boom boom boom and Oliver. That's that's 1230 00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:31.280 the kind of thing that you look for if you're 1231 00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:34.119 a coach hoping that a team is coming together. And 1232 00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:36.079 that's what Kalani SAIDI said. 1233 00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:38.800 What happened, and Gordon, I tell you this. Also, they 1234 00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:41.679 held Kansas State on two very impressive early drives and 1235 00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:43.679 just field goals when you thought they were just marching 1236 00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:47.679 down the field. Right, So there's early success. You'll hold 1237 00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:50.760 them to three twice and then they take advantage of 1238 00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:53.079 the turnovers. What I saw in b Yu was better 1239 00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:56.519 speed than I expected, and the defense can can move 1240 00:58:56.599 --> 00:59:01.679 sideline to sideline. I was impressed. But Baylor's a different 1241 00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:03.880 story on the road. As you guys said, and I 1242 00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:07.639 wonder how they bounce back after Dion and the Buffalo's 1243 00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:12.119 got a Hail Mary overtime when and let's see what 1244 00:59:12.159 --> 00:59:15.639 happens if Baylor has a little anger on their side 1245 00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:16.719 as well well. 1246 00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:18.800 Craig, I appreciate the time, man. We'll set you loose 1247 00:59:18.840 --> 00:59:21.000 and look forward to seeing you back in studio when 1248 00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:21.239 you can. 1249 00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:24.960 All right, yeah, I'll be there next week. And you 1250 00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:27.480 know what, I got five minutes. I'm gonna listen when 1251 00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:30.639 you guys get back. This's inn il thing. I'm sorry, 1252 00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:34.920 it riles me up again. It's it's I don't know 1253 00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:39.000 what direction college football is going, but it's ever changing 1254 00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:41.440 and we're not done. But the nil, when we look 1255 00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:43.760 back on it in twenty years is going to be 1256 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:47.519 the centerpiece of what if this if college football imploded, 1257 00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:52.800 or if it actually became an NFL semi pro league, 1258 00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:53.559 you know what I mean. 1259 00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:55.119 I don't know, Laura. 1260 00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:56.519 I'm going to tell you what's gonna happen. 1261 00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:58.519 We're gonna do that coming up next with our guy, 1262 00:59:58.559 --> 00:59:59.159 Gordon Craig. 1263 00:59:59.159 --> 00:59:59.679 Thanks for the time. 1264 01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:01.039 We'll talk soon. 1265 01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:01.400 Bye bye. 1266 01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:03.760 At the Big O Tires Fall Sales event, we go 1267 01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:06.599 big for our customers, come into any one of our 1268 01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:09.639 fifty locally owned and operated locations in Utah and save 1269 01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:11.800 up to one hundred and twenty dollars off four in 1270 01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:14.920 stock tires, not just any tires, one hundred and twenty 1271 01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:18.159 dollars off our legendary Big O brand tires, including our 1272 01:00:18.199 --> 01:00:22.119 big Foot eight and legacy tire lines. 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And so when the news came down yesterday 1282 01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:52.559 that Vegas was losing U and LB was losing their 1283 01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:56.480 starting quarterback Matthew Sluca after a three and oh start 1284 01:00:56.480 --> 01:00:59.480 where they had actually elevated themselves to the Vegas favorite 1285 01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:03.679 to be the g REP in the expanded CFP over 1286 01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:06.280 a verbal promise for one hundred k from assistant coach, 1287 01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:08.840 it caught my antenna in a way that most of 1288 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:11.639 these nil stare stories just don't now. I started the 1289 01:01:11.639 --> 01:01:16.280 show off today just with a conversation about it's not 1290 01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:19.280 good or bad, it's just different, and it's really up 1291 01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:21.599 to you to decide if you can look past it 1292 01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:24.920 to consume the sport that you love. Every sport has 1293 01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:27.280 something that you have to look past if you want 1294 01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:29.719 to enjoy it. The NBA has load management. I will 1295 01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:33.159 yell about that until Am ninety five. The NFL, there's 1296 01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:37.159 political statements heard, people say I'm not watching football, calling 1297 01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:39.199 Kaepernick neild right, and so it's like, all right, if 1298 01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:42.880 that's your thing, fine. You know, the brain injuries, the 1299 01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:45.880 CTE stuff, I think disillusion to a lot of people. 1300 01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:49.159 But you know, NFL ratings are an all time high. 1301 01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:52.119 People are still watching college football. So I do think 1302 01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:54.079 it's an issue that needs to be figured out. But 1303 01:01:54.280 --> 01:01:56.480 I also believe that if you want to watch college 1304 01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:58.840 football and enjoy it, it's here. 1305 01:01:58.840 --> 01:01:59.880 If you don't have to deal with it. 1306 01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:03.760 This will be disappointing the bowler because Bowler's old school. 1307 01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:08.159 But it's going to get worse. I think it's well, 1308 01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:10.440 it's going to get worse and it's going to get better. 1309 01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:14.199 More and more corporate involvement is coming, and I think 1310 01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:18.800 you'll even see teams sponsored by certain companies and certainly 1311 01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:25.360 giving money for something in return. That's definitely on the horizon, 1312 01:02:26.559 --> 01:02:29.960 especially at the bigger programs around the country. We all 1313 01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:32.119 remember during the summer we saw that thing about the 1314 01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:34.679 Big Twelve being brought to you by All State maybe 1315 01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:37.920 or some It's going to continue to get more and 1316 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:40.559 more tangled, but I think there will come a point. 1317 01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:44.760 They will come to a point of salary caps. I 1318 01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:48.679 think that is something that will happen. And the problem 1319 01:02:48.679 --> 01:02:52.079 with that is, you know, the players have been being 1320 01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:56.159 paid forever and it's gone on under the table and 1321 01:02:56.239 --> 01:02:59.000 people were cheating. If you have a salary cap, well 1322 01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:01.960 that stopped people and chieving. You're still going to have 1323 01:03:02.039 --> 01:03:05.480 payments under the table. But I think it does make 1324 01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:10.480 sense from an institutional standpoint to limit how much dough 1325 01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:15.079 can flow to the players. And I think that they've 1326 01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:17.639 got to get that under control in order to make 1327 01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:19.840 it seem at least legitimate. 1328 01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:23.159 Can we call it how it is and just say 1329 01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:26.360 that this is professional sports, that's what it is, and 1330 01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:30.880 ultimately for football only and This is where it gets 1331 01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:34.840 complex because there are several different layers here to figure 1332 01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:37.760 out how to preserve Olympic sports and figure out how 1333 01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:41.679 to preserve athletic departments overall. If football simply just leaves 1334 01:03:41.719 --> 01:03:45.280 the NCAA and in a way kind of leaves the 1335 01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:48.159 athletic department high and ride, the ramifications are deep. So 1336 01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:50.079 I don't say this lightly, but it is time for 1337 01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:51.800 football to break away from the NCUBA. 1338 01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:55.280 It's time to hire commissioner. I don't know who it is. 1339 01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:59.280 It's time for that commissioner to enact a governing body 1340 01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:01.599 that's very similar to the NFL, and hire a deputy 1341 01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:06.199 commissioner and build out a college football headquarter office to 1342 01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:09.400 figure all this stuff out and operate it as if 1343 01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:13.039 it essentially is a minor league feeder system for the NFL. 1344 01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:14.199 It's time to do it. 1345 01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:16.360 I don't love it, because I think we all love 1346 01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:19.440 what made us all fall in love with college football, 1347 01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:23.159 and that was it wasn't tainted by money, but it was. 1348 01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:25.719 We just didn't see it. It wasn't tainted by money 1349 01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:27.320 in front of our face. The problem is it was 1350 01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:29.199 tainted by money in the back room, by a bunch 1351 01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:31.599 of old dudes that were getting rich on the backs 1352 01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:34.639 of employees who they didn't pay. So they were a 1353 01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:37.639 serial anti trust violator for about one hundred years and 1354 01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:40.800 it's about time they're not. And so we're here now, 1355 01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:43.440 So let's be grown ups and let's not yell about 1356 01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:47.320 kids getting paid, and let's put some regulations in place. 1357 01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:49.239 Because I heard from some people at the U yesterday 1358 01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:52.880 after my show. It's pretty clear, Gordon, nobody knows what 1359 01:04:52.920 --> 01:04:56.000 to do. Nobody knows how to traverse this space. And 1360 01:04:56.239 --> 01:04:59.559 if you're a young athlete, go get yours. But until 1361 01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:03.639 they allow the athletes to unionize and collectively bargain the 1362 01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:06.280 way they do in pro football, to come up with 1363 01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:08.679 a contract and come up with a cap. And yes, 1364 01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:11.280 you sign contracts, guess what happens when you sign contracts 1365 01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:14.039 you don't transfer. It solved. 1366 01:05:14.239 --> 01:05:14.960 I just did it. 1367 01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:17.480 I just saw the transfer port right, So like at 1368 01:05:17.559 --> 01:05:20.800 least we alleviate that. And yes, there are slots in 1369 01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:22.719 place like there is in pro football. If you're a 1370 01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:25.599 starting caliber quarterback, this is what you're worth. Boom boom boom. 1371 01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:28.360 I hate to say it, it's just far past the 1372 01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:30.599 time where college football just needs to lean into. 1373 01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:34.639 The pro model, and that's coming. Yeah, that's all coming already. 1374 01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:39.880 You see programs that are hiring CEOs to run the program, 1375 01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:42.639 and so this is just a matter of time. One 1376 01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:45.320 thing I've learned and you've learned it too, Spence, that 1377 01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:48.239 when it comes to college football and college sports in general, 1378 01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:52.840 the thing is like it's like turning an aircraft carrier. 1379 01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:55.960 I mean, it takes forever for things to be put 1380 01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:59.079 into place to make it official. And this will take 1381 01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:01.960 some time too, but it's on the way. So the 1382 01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:05.760 bad news for all you amateurism lovers out there is 1383 01:06:05.800 --> 01:06:08.039 that that's not what it is. That's not what it 1384 01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:11.119 was back when you love the amateurism, and it certainly 1385 01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:14.480 won't be what it will be moving forward. It will 1386 01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:18.800 be pro football and it will be better organized. 1387 01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:22.519 And honestly, I just think if you want to be 1388 01:06:22.679 --> 01:06:26.519 an alarmist, if you want to, you know, be the 1389 01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:29.119 mule at the end of Don Quixote sounding the message 1390 01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:32.159 about things. You know, the bottom line is Saturday's in 1391 01:06:32.159 --> 01:06:33.800 the fall are still going to feel like Saturdays in 1392 01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:36.559 the fall. And as I talked about Gordon, if you 1393 01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:40.719 want to continue to watch a sport, go to games, 1394 01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:43.199 spend money on tickets and whatever it is. 1395 01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:45.239 You're gonna have to look past some things. That's just 1396 01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:45.639 the deal. 1397 01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:48.960 And things change, things progress, and sometimes we don't like 1398 01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:51.239 the way things progress because we're afraid of change. We 1399 01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:53.639 want to stay status quo because we like the way 1400 01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:57.639 that the thing is. There are several elements to the 1401 01:06:57.679 --> 01:07:00.199 pro model that I actually think will improve the sport. 1402 01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:05.360 I don't need to see fifteen FFFCS teams play each 1403 01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:07.360 other for three weeks. I don't need to see Ohio 1404 01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:10.800 State bludgeon some poor small programs so they can get 1405 01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:12.360 a check to go down and support their school. 1406 01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:13.920 I understand the dynamic, but. 1407 01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:17.440 From a viewer standpoint, I think college football's main problem 1408 01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:19.280 is week in and week out, it doesn't have enough 1409 01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:21.800 brand games. It has four or five, and then as 1410 01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:24.719 the season progresses sometimes you get more. But then Nick 1411 01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:28.559 Saban week eleven, you know, schedules little sisters of the poor, they're. 1412 01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:29.679 Playing like a glorified. 1413 01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:32.559 By leaning into the pro model, every week will have 1414 01:07:32.599 --> 01:07:36.760 probably fifteen or twenty like brand matchup games, and I 1415 01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:38.079 think that's actually good for the sport. 1416 01:07:38.199 --> 01:07:43.400 Yeah, and the records that were so clean, as you mentioned, 1417 01:07:43.840 --> 01:07:47.480 you know, if those will become a sort of a dinosaur, 1418 01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:51.000 because if you're playing tough teams every week, then your record, 1419 01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:53.760 a record of nine and three is going to be 1420 01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:58.199 absolutely stellar. I'd rather have that than what you just described. 1421 01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:01.159 Who wants to watch these games sixty two to nothing. 1422 01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:04.159 I mean, it's a waste of time. It's not fun 1423 01:08:04.199 --> 01:08:07.239 for anyone, even the players. They go out there and 1424 01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:12.440 they're playing against an inferior team. You know, it's a joke. 1425 01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:15.119 It's a joke to them, and they can't focus the 1426 01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:17.279 way they should. If they did focus, it would be 1427 01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:21.000 two hundred and twenty to nothing. And so yeah, get 1428 01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:23.479 rid of that. And I understand that the teams that 1429 01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:25.359 need some money, and I don't know what the answer 1430 01:08:25.479 --> 01:08:27.399 is for that, but it would be nice to have 1431 01:08:27.439 --> 01:08:29.279 competitive games every single week. 1432 01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:34.199 So Week one Iowa forty, Illinois State zero, Okay k 1433 01:08:34.399 --> 01:08:38.359 State forty one, U T. Martin six, Tennessee sixty nine, 1434 01:08:38.479 --> 01:08:43.680 Chattanooga three, all right, Old Miss seventy six, Furman zero, 1435 01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:47.840 Alabama sixty three, Western Kentucky zero. I could keep going. 1436 01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:50.520 I don't need those games on my TV. And if 1437 01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:53.319 I'm a television executive, I'm a little bit more excited 1438 01:08:53.319 --> 01:08:56.520 if My week one game is Oregon Ohio State, right, 1439 01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:58.840 and week in and week out, my big brands are 1440 01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:01.760 playing each other. It's what happens in pro football and 1441 01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:04.319 as TV money has really taken over the thing behind 1442 01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:07.079 the scenes, It's kind of what has to happen with 1443 01:09:07.239 --> 01:09:10.159 college football in the area of them breaking away from 1444 01:09:10.199 --> 01:09:12.680 the NCAA and surviving on their own. That's why it 1445 01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:15.000 is going to be the forty or whatever biggest brands, 1446 01:09:15.039 --> 01:09:17.520 because they know that's where the money is. I don't 1447 01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:19.600 have to tell you about what happened with English soccer 1448 01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:22.680 when all of the superclubs almost broke away to start 1449 01:09:22.760 --> 01:09:26.640 their own high level league. Like when powerful people get involved, 1450 01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:28.319 they see where the revenue streams are, they're going to 1451 01:09:28.359 --> 01:09:30.680 do everything they can to make it happen. In college football, 1452 01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:33.119 what that means is big brands playing each other every week. 1453 01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:35.279 Well, as you know, Spence, I made a study of that. 1454 01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:38.680 Oh yeah, no, I'm a professional soccer situation and I 1455 01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:41.760 agree with you. I think we're of one mind on that. 1456 01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:44.319 Was there one club that really pulled the plug on 1457 01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:46.880 that whole operation that you blame more than the others? 1458 01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:47.520 Oh? 1459 01:09:47.600 --> 01:09:51.279 I would say probably, man, you and you Yeah, why 1460 01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:53.520 would you buy just a bunch of sobs? 1461 01:09:53.640 --> 01:09:53.800 Oh? 1462 01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:56.600 Just like Hubris that thing, it's just arrogance. 1463 01:09:57.199 --> 01:09:57.840 I don't like that. 1464 01:09:58.079 --> 01:10:00.640 Yeah, you know, I like scrappy Yep, that's why. 1465 01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:03.000 That's why I like Uh, that's why I like Liverpool. 1466 01:10:03.319 --> 01:10:07.439 Oh you're a Liverpool supporter. Now, this is one thing. 1467 01:10:07.359 --> 01:10:10.079 I've never figured out completely and I won't be pitched 1468 01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:12.079 to it because I don't want to leave people behind it. 1469 01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:13.279 It makes us feel infurious. 1470 01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:17.199 But Liverpool and Everton, you know, how is where's the 1471 01:10:17.199 --> 01:10:19.520 dividing line on that? I'm not I've never been able 1472 01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:22.039 to figure that out. That's a little beyond me. But 1473 01:10:22.159 --> 01:10:26.840 I will say that I every once in a while 1474 01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:29.560 you'll have a big upset and that that sort of 1475 01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:33.960 encourages these underdogs to go out there and fight the fight. 1476 01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:36.960 But they're so rare that it's not worth putting up 1477 01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:39.560 with all the other nonsense that happens in the meantime. 1478 01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:42.640 And I do look forward to teams really having to 1479 01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:45.119 bring it every single week, and you know, then you 1480 01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:47.359 have an upset likely so on Saturday night be why 1481 01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:49.880 you beat in Kansas State. That was a huge upset 1482 01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:52.680 and and yet it happened, and it was exciting, and 1483 01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:56.119 so you can have upsets even when you have, you know, 1484 01:10:56.199 --> 01:11:02.119 teams that are relatively similar level, and so that doesn't 1485 01:11:02.119 --> 01:11:03.760 get eradicated from the game. 1486 01:11:03.920 --> 01:11:06.279 Let me ask you this, because you've been doing this 1487 01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:08.399 a long time and you've seen a lot of things, 1488 01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:10.439 and I'm now old enough where I've seen some things, 1489 01:11:10.479 --> 01:11:12.680 but not as many things as you've seen. And my 1490 01:11:12.760 --> 01:11:17.000 whole premise on this NIL stuff is and I heard 1491 01:11:17.079 --> 01:11:21.159 media members, I read media members sounding the alarm that 1492 01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:23.760 this was the end of college football. I heard smart 1493 01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:26.399 people who I respect say about two two and a 1494 01:11:26.399 --> 01:11:28.960 half years ago, Okay, now it's real transfer portal nil. 1495 01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:29.880 This game is screwed. 1496 01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:33.640 I just referenced the and IL excuse me, I just 1497 01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:35.880 referenced the NFL stuff where a lot of people were 1498 01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:38.439 disenfranchised with the CT and the brain injuries and the 1499 01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:39.359 Kaepernick stuff. 1500 01:11:39.399 --> 01:11:40.439 Whatever that stuff is. 1501 01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:46.279 NBA load management, too much money, guaranteed contracts, Major League Baseball, juicee, 1502 01:11:46.319 --> 01:11:49.399 we could keep going. Have you ever seen anything in 1503 01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:53.279 your career that actually does end up having a super 1504 01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:57.079 adverse effect on a sports league that people enjoy consuming 1505 01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:01.159 NFL college for like, cause, I feel like sometimes it's 1506 01:12:01.159 --> 01:12:03.720 just clickbait and fodder for content where it's like the 1507 01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:06.399 sky is falling its chicken little. I'm like, no, dude, 1508 01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:08.359 I woke up on Saturday a couple of weeks ago 1509 01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:11.000 just as juice to watch utahn by you play football 1510 01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:13.119 as I did five years ago, like Saturday's in the fault. 1511 01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:15.359 Gordon still feel like Saturdays in the fall. 1512 01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:17.880 And they will continue to do so. I mean, you're 1513 01:12:17.920 --> 01:12:22.640 gonna have the reactions and that's okay, but the sky 1514 01:12:22.760 --> 01:12:25.800 is not falling and it won't fall. And as long 1515 01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:28.920 as people care about the teams they root for, it 1516 01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:32.520 will be okay. It'll be different. You nailed it, Spence. 1517 01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:35.960 People don't like change and they glom onto things that 1518 01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:39.880 they sometimes are not what they think they are. And 1519 01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:44.359 but it'll be okay. This stuff will evolve and it'll 1520 01:12:44.359 --> 01:12:46.880 be it'll be fun to watch. The thing that comes 1521 01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:50.319 to mind when you said that it was Kurt Flood. Okay, 1522 01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:54.920 when when free agency started coming into baseball and people thought, 1523 01:12:54.920 --> 01:12:57.039 oh my gosh, these guys are gonna bounce all over 1524 01:12:57.079 --> 01:12:58.960 the place and it's gonna give the players all the 1525 01:12:59.039 --> 01:13:02.600 power and all And there were certain union leaders who 1526 01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:06.800 did a really good job of empowering players. But I 1527 01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:11.640 mean that might still frustrate some fans because they care 1528 01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:14.039 about these players and then all of a sudden one day, 1529 01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:16.239 when they're contractor is up, when they have the freedom 1530 01:13:16.279 --> 01:13:20.359 to do so, they're gone. And that's troubling to some people. 1531 01:13:20.439 --> 01:13:22.960 But it wasn't the end of the sport, and it 1532 01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:25.520 hasn't been the end of sports in general. And in 1533 01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:30.680 some ways that fluidity has helped bring some hope to 1534 01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:33.520 certain teams that were in a bit of a funk 1535 01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:35.760 and they found a way to climb out of it 1536 01:13:35.800 --> 01:13:38.960 because they could add players. This is especially true in 1537 01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:43.039 the NFL. You see teams. I mean, who used to 1538 01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:45.119 talk about the NBA and it was like you could 1539 01:13:45.159 --> 01:13:46.840 pencil in the teams that were going to be in 1540 01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:49.119 the playoffs way in advance, and you knew who was 1541 01:13:49.159 --> 01:13:52.079 going to be in the finals, and at least you 1542 01:13:52.119 --> 01:13:54.479 had a good idea. In football, a lot of times 1543 01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:57.479 you really didn't have an idea and that made it 1544 01:13:57.520 --> 01:14:01.239 more fun. And why because there was fluidity among Yeah, it's. 1545 01:14:01.399 --> 01:14:04.000 Weird, Gordon, because a lot of things because your reference 1546 01:14:04.039 --> 01:14:06.640 free agency and in my mind I'm thinking nil and 1547 01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:08.399 in my mind, I'm thinking load management. 1548 01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:10.000 In my mind, I'm thinking CTE. 1549 01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:13.199 It all comes back down to one thing, and that 1550 01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:16.319 is the power of the almighty dollar. It's it's follow 1551 01:14:16.359 --> 01:14:19.399 the money, you'll always find the answers. The golden rule 1552 01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:21.520 is the man with the gold makes the rules right. 1553 01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:24.399 And ultimately, when it comes to where we're at right 1554 01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:27.000 now societally, where the middle class is really being squeezed 1555 01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:29.359 out and most of the wealth is can you know, 1556 01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:31.479 essentially in the pockets of the top one percent of 1557 01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:34.800 our country in a capitalistic society, when a middle class 1558 01:14:34.800 --> 01:14:36.800 is being squeezed out, if there's a chance to join 1559 01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:39.439 that one percent, people are gonna do whatever they want 1560 01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:42.039 to do, even if it's at the expense of the 1561 01:14:42.079 --> 01:14:42.880 consumers that. 1562 01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:44.720 Watch their product. Nobody gives a rip. 1563 01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:48.000 If people are mad that a quarterback's getting money, they're 1564 01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:50.239 gonna do whatever they can do to pad their bank 1565 01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:52.840 account and take care of themselves. Load management is about 1566 01:14:52.840 --> 01:14:55.359 one thing and one thing only. That's getting NBA players 1567 01:14:55.359 --> 01:14:58.319 to their second and third max contracts. Because that's when 1568 01:14:58.399 --> 01:15:01.920 generational wealth spills in. Agents realize that suddenly it's like, oh, 1569 01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:02.920 we need to preserve the help. 1570 01:15:03.039 --> 01:15:03.720 No, you don't like. 1571 01:15:04.039 --> 01:15:07.880 Ultimately, there's no data that indicates load management leads to 1572 01:15:07.960 --> 01:15:10.960 longer careers, it leads to bigger paychecks when they get 1573 01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:13.399 to their second or their third contract. Why did the 1574 01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:16.359 NFL cover up CTE. They didn't want lawsuits because they 1575 01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:18.640 want to preserve their cash as well. This all is 1576 01:15:18.720 --> 01:15:22.279 kind of tied into the same similar dynamics, certainly societally, 1577 01:15:22.319 --> 01:15:24.119 when the middle class is being squeezed out and the 1578 01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:26.760 best life is over there, everybody's gonna do whatever they 1579 01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:28.600 can do to go to that life because that's what 1580 01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:29.199 looks fun. 1581 01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:32.439 That's so true. I mean, remember when two million dollars 1582 01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:35.079 a year the salary, you go, oh my gosh, that's 1583 01:15:35.119 --> 01:15:38.039 so much money. Yeah, well now it's like fifty million. 1584 01:15:38.279 --> 01:15:40.279 The money is it's so stupid now. 1585 01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:43.239 The one group I do feel sorry for those middle 1586 01:15:43.279 --> 01:15:47.039 class fans who want to go to a hockey game 1587 01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:49.880 but they can't get a good seat, and they certainly 1588 01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:53.880 can't afford season tickets. I'm worry about those folks. And 1589 01:15:53.920 --> 01:15:56.319 that's been a bit of a problem for a long 1590 01:15:56.359 --> 01:15:59.359 time now, because there's always somebody out there who has 1591 01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:01.520 the money that do it, who has the money to 1592 01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:05.399 fill that seat, either through corporation, corporate dollars, or some 1593 01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:08.159 other way. And like you say, the teams don't care 1594 01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:09.920 because they're racketing the money. 1595 01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:10.720 Remember Gordon. 1596 01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:14.399 Two years ago, Jason Kidd, after a playoff win, took 1597 01:16:14.439 --> 01:16:16.800 the podium and said, what you guys don't understand is 1598 01:16:16.800 --> 01:16:19.560 we're millionaires chearing for each other. And I was like, dude, 1599 01:16:21.119 --> 01:16:25.600 I know, right, yeah, I know, Jason, but don't say 1600 01:16:25.640 --> 01:16:26.319 that out loud. 1601 01:16:26.680 --> 01:16:29.479 And that's dangerous because what we love. How did we 1602 01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:31.079 get hooked on sports to begin with? 1603 01:16:31.159 --> 01:16:31.760 Competition? 1604 01:16:31.880 --> 01:16:37.159 Competition? That is, that's what we want. And that's why 1605 01:16:37.279 --> 01:16:41.399 certain exhibitions that you see where it's not really a competition, 1606 01:16:41.520 --> 01:16:43.520 it's just and sort of what you talked about with 1607 01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:47.960 these lopsideds coores, they're not competitive and so they don't intrigue, 1608 01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:51.840 they don't hook us. Competition hooks us, and we stay 1609 01:16:52.239 --> 01:16:55.760 stay hooked, even if the dollars are ridiculous. But I 1610 01:16:55.800 --> 01:16:58.479 do I do feel for that family out there, that 1611 01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:01.359 father or that mother wants to take daughters or sons 1612 01:17:01.640 --> 01:17:03.399 to a game and they can't afford to do it, 1613 01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:07.279 not with a good seat right right. 1614 01:17:07.640 --> 01:17:11.239 Oftentimes can't afford to do it period, and then oftentimes 1615 01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:13.039 save up for months to do it, and they show 1616 01:17:13.119 --> 01:17:16.319 up and Luca stays in Dallas and Lebron loves Los Angeles. 1617 01:17:16.319 --> 01:17:19.520 It's like all connected and the message continues to be 1618 01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:21.720 we don't give a rip about you, yep. And how 1619 01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:24.319 long does that last? I don't know. I say this 1620 01:17:24.399 --> 01:17:26.399 all the time. I can yell about the NBA having 1621 01:17:26.399 --> 01:17:28.760 a load management issue and they can send me their 1622 01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:30.680 profit and lost statement and be like, where's the issue? 1623 01:17:30.680 --> 01:17:30.880 Man? 1624 01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:32.039 And I get it. 1625 01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:34.520 I just think it's sad that that really is where 1626 01:17:34.520 --> 01:17:35.960 all the energy goes in our country. 1627 01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:36.920 It feels like it does. 1628 01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:39.640 At least, And then people what happens is people say, well, 1629 01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:41.880 it's the fans' fault. Why don't they just walk away 1630 01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:44.199 from it? Why do they pay attention to it? Yeah, 1631 01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:48.960 Well here's why. Because your granddad or your grandmother rooted 1632 01:17:49.039 --> 01:17:52.600 for a certain team, and they pass that intergenerationally down 1633 01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:55.760 to their kids, and then their kids you're dead or 1634 01:17:55.880 --> 01:17:58.359 mom pass it down to you. And you care about 1635 01:17:58.399 --> 01:18:00.479 these things in a way that you you don't care 1636 01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:02.000 about what Brandon milk you buy. 1637 01:18:02.199 --> 01:18:04.399 Sure, it means a lot to a lot of people, 1638 01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:07.079 especially I've always said this, I probably said it with 1639 01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:09.520 you back on our show back in the day. It 1640 01:18:09.520 --> 01:18:14.399 feels like your college fandom is a little different than 1641 01:18:14.840 --> 01:18:17.479 your allegiance to a pro team. More often than not, 1642 01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:20.199 there are exceptions, but in college, it's it's where you 1643 01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:22.399 met your wife, it's where you met your friends, it's 1644 01:18:22.399 --> 01:18:23.239 where you grew up. 1645 01:18:23.399 --> 01:18:25.840 It's where your community. Probably my community. 1646 01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:27.479 Still exists as a result of going to you, right, 1647 01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:30.640 And so watching Utah football hits a little bit different 1648 01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:33.840 than watching the Jets because I didn't go to Jets 1649 01:18:33.920 --> 01:18:36.840 University and I didn't, you know, meet my friends there, 1650 01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:40.760 and you know, I didn't raise Oh certainly I didn't 1651 01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:42.800 raise my son in the shadows of the stadium. I 1652 01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:45.359 just think the college fandom hits a little bit different. 1653 01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:48.199 But just what sucks is and I hate to sound 1654 01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:50.560 I don't know, man, Maybe I'm just getting older. I 1655 01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:53.279 just feel like it sucks that the people who are 1656 01:18:53.279 --> 01:18:58.239 in charge feast upon the love and commitment that people 1657 01:18:58.239 --> 01:19:00.760 have for their teams with only one goal in mind, 1658 01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:04.319 and that's creating revenue stream. That's how it feels now. Honestly, 1659 01:19:04.399 --> 01:19:06.520 part of me is like I wonder if the new 1660 01:19:06.760 --> 01:19:08.960 NBA ownership thing is to be like a cool, young, 1661 01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:12.520 hip guy with joggers and make a bunch of money 1662 01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:14.720 and not really give a rip about whether your team 1663 01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:16.920 wins and loses because you're part of the club. 1664 01:19:18.199 --> 01:19:22.479 I don't know, boy, I'll tell you it's It does 1665 01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:26.760 make you wonder if one day fans will revolt and say, 1666 01:19:27.439 --> 01:19:32.079 I can't keep doing this. But we I mean we 1667 01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:35.960 talked about that. Your's ago spence and it's still moving forward. 1668 01:19:36.079 --> 01:19:40.439 So there is this huge appetite to have a rooting interest, 1669 01:19:40.520 --> 01:19:43.840 to have something that you care about, to have your 1670 01:19:44.119 --> 01:19:47.359 feudal army that you can get behind that will go 1671 01:19:47.439 --> 01:19:50.840 to someone else's city and conquer as. Some people in 1672 01:19:50.920 --> 01:19:53.600 Kansas City how they feel about pro football right now, 1673 01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:54.840 they're pretty turned off. 1674 01:19:54.920 --> 01:19:58.479 Sure, yeah, it's just you know, when you think about it, 1675 01:19:58.279 --> 01:20:02.199 it's like legalized hair win dealers. You know you love 1676 01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:05.159 your team so much. We know that you're addicted to 1677 01:20:05.159 --> 01:20:06.960 how much you love the team, and we know that 1678 01:20:07.039 --> 01:20:09.560 you love your escape from life. So take a price 1679 01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:12.359 that just went up twenty percent. We know that you 1680 01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:15.000 need the jazz in downtown Salt Lake City, and there's 1681 01:20:15.039 --> 01:20:18.279 a lot how south that looks really nice. You got 1682 01:20:18.279 --> 01:20:21.680 an extra billion, right, you know, and we'll stay right 1683 01:20:21.720 --> 01:20:24.479 like that. That's just where I guess we're at. Maybe 1684 01:20:24.520 --> 01:20:25.720 I just need to start accepting it. 1685 01:20:25.720 --> 01:20:28.359 Not really Well, if you talk about like rage against 1686 01:20:28.359 --> 01:20:34.000 the machinery, you talked about college sports being professionalized while 1687 01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:37.319 professional sports is professionalized, And what is it about. 1688 01:20:37.399 --> 01:20:40.079 It's about the same thing that every other business is about. 1689 01:20:40.600 --> 01:20:45.279 It's just that this this DOPA bean that is released 1690 01:20:45.359 --> 01:20:51.079 through through the connection to teams keeps fans coming back. 1691 01:20:51.359 --> 01:20:54.800 All right, Gordo, before I set you loose, If Utah 1692 01:20:54.800 --> 01:21:00.159 and BYU played ten times neutral field tomorrow, well and 1693 01:21:00.199 --> 01:21:02.560 fit ten games in tomorrow, but right now in the season, 1694 01:21:02.600 --> 01:21:05.039 not how they're gonna evolve before November ninth, that those 1695 01:21:05.079 --> 01:21:07.479 two how do you think generally speaking they'd match up? 1696 01:21:07.600 --> 01:21:08.079 Right now? 1697 01:21:08.600 --> 01:21:10.399 Utah wins eight or nine of those. 1698 01:21:10.520 --> 01:21:12.640 Yeah, I think I'm with you. What do you want 1699 01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:16.079 to see from BYU at Baylor? Because I still and 1700 01:21:16.119 --> 01:21:18.319 I've got to give Kilanie and a Rod and all 1701 01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:20.359 those guys a lot of credit. I heard Kelly Pepinga 1702 01:21:20.399 --> 01:21:23.760 give an interview where they were very forthcoming and honest 1703 01:21:24.279 --> 01:21:25.479 about how fortunate they were. 1704 01:21:25.560 --> 01:21:26.000 Last week. 1705 01:21:26.039 --> 01:21:28.439 Now, A Rod called a couple of great kill shots 1706 01:21:28.439 --> 01:21:30.279 here in the red zone, get touchdowns not field goals. 1707 01:21:30.319 --> 01:21:33.000 They did that right, but only two forty nine of 1708 01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:36.439 offense and Case State ran the ball well. So there 1709 01:21:36.479 --> 01:21:38.680 are still in my mind like Utah's Utah. It is 1710 01:21:38.680 --> 01:21:40.640 what Kyle's built this thing up. It's ticking, it's going 1711 01:21:40.640 --> 01:21:43.159 down the track. There's still questions for me about BYU. 1712 01:21:43.199 --> 01:21:45.039 What do you want to see from them against Baylor 1713 01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:45.600 on Saturday. 1714 01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:49.199 I think that BYU defense is exactly what Kolonie Sataki 1715 01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:51.760 told me in August that it was better than it 1716 01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:55.119 had been a lot better. And they have these athletes 1717 01:21:55.159 --> 01:21:58.680 that are coming up that are Jack Kelly. I mean, 1718 01:21:58.760 --> 01:22:01.920 this kind of could be an NFL type player, and 1719 01:22:01.960 --> 01:22:05.039 he's coming up and they're they're they're filling holes and 1720 01:22:05.079 --> 01:22:09.000 they're doing things, they're filling roles, and so that defense 1721 01:22:09.079 --> 01:22:13.359 is really surprisingly good. Uh, but the offense has to 1722 01:22:13.399 --> 01:22:16.600 get better. The offense the offensive line has to create 1723 01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:19.439 a push. And there's been a lot of injuries in 1724 01:22:19.479 --> 01:22:22.640 that running back room. And Moa was injured, you know, 1725 01:22:22.760 --> 01:22:25.439 I mean he looked promising. I don't know how severe 1726 01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:27.960 his his ankle is, but he's got a bit of 1727 01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:32.680 a problem. So can they continue to improve the run game? 1728 01:22:33.279 --> 01:22:37.560 And Jake Ritzlov can he continue to mature as a quarterback. 1729 01:22:37.640 --> 01:22:40.319 That's what needs to happen. I think the defense is 1730 01:22:40.359 --> 01:22:43.199 ahead of the offense. We'll see if the offense can 1731 01:22:43.279 --> 01:22:43.680 catch up. 1732 01:22:43.720 --> 01:22:46.279 All right, coming up next, we're gonna be bringing Max Bredos. 1733 01:22:46.279 --> 01:22:48.920 Will do you just a little soccer, a little RSL. 1734 01:22:48.920 --> 01:22:52.600 We'll get back to some college football, Gordo, real quick, RSL. 1735 01:22:52.680 --> 01:22:56.399 S's Austin FC coming up this weekend. Who's the most 1736 01:22:56.479 --> 01:22:57.800 dangerous player on Austin FC? 1737 01:22:58.600 --> 01:23:02.640 I think, uh, Jose Perez. 1738 01:23:02.760 --> 01:23:03.039 Don't. 1739 01:23:03.399 --> 01:23:04.640 You can't do that anymore. 1740 01:23:04.680 --> 01:23:07.920 You can't just come up with a Jose Perez name 1741 01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:09.880 because a lot of people play soccer. 1742 01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:10.960 Gordon, it's not allowed. 1743 01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:12.720 I know you're not on the radio as consistently as 1744 01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:14.319 you used to be, but you can't do that anymore. 1745 01:23:14.600 --> 01:23:17.279 Yeah, you don't even pay that much attention to Austin 1746 01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:18.279 because they bore me. 1747 01:23:18.479 --> 01:23:24.399 Oh my gosh, they have a player named Perez. 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Here sona Kyle Bonnagero from Espano stop I. 1767 01:24:23.039 --> 01:24:25.800 But it is fall at least that's kind of the 1768 01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:28.199 time of year. It's about eighty degrees in Sunday today. 1769 01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:31.840 That does mean football, but it also means playoffs soccer, 1770 01:24:32.439 --> 01:24:35.079 and it looks like RSL has a real legitimate chance 1771 01:24:35.119 --> 01:24:38.119 to host a home playoff match. Our next guest, one 1772 01:24:38.119 --> 01:24:40.760 of our favorites, to talk the beautiful game, Max bred Us, 1773 01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:42.119 on a Thursday afternoon. 1774 01:24:42.159 --> 01:24:43.319 Max, Happy Thursday, sir? 1775 01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:47.560 How are you happy? Thursday undercover? One of maybe my 1776 01:24:47.640 --> 01:24:50.399 favorite day of the week. Not every week, but most weeks. 1777 01:24:50.479 --> 01:24:52.520 Thursday's an underrated day, Max. 1778 01:24:52.920 --> 01:24:53.399 I'm with you. 1779 01:24:53.479 --> 01:24:54.479 There, there's a good event. 1780 01:24:54.600 --> 01:24:56.920 There's good events going Sorry rrupted, but there's good events 1781 01:24:56.960 --> 01:24:58.479 going on. If you want to go out, go out 1782 01:24:58.520 --> 01:24:59.680 to dinner without the crowd. 1783 01:24:59.880 --> 01:25:00.720 Like for sure. 1784 01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:03.600 And also if you're young enough or excuse me, if 1785 01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:06.000 you can remember when you were young enough to start 1786 01:25:06.039 --> 01:25:07.920 weekends on a Thursday. That was kind of like the 1787 01:25:07.920 --> 01:25:10.079 college thing, right, Like we can start on Thursday? 1788 01:25:10.199 --> 01:25:13.239 Yeah, oh yeah, drinking in yeah. 1789 01:25:13.039 --> 01:25:15.279 No doubt, no doubt. All right, buddy, I appreciate the 1790 01:25:15.319 --> 01:25:15.880 time today. 1791 01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:19.680 And we find ourselves in an interesting spot with RSL, 1792 01:25:20.479 --> 01:25:23.479 who elected to move on from some really good players, 1793 01:25:23.560 --> 01:25:26.840 namely Andris Gomez is now in France. They bring in 1794 01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:29.279 five players and so far I think it's fair to 1795 01:25:29.279 --> 01:25:31.000 say the results have been mixed. 1796 01:25:31.239 --> 01:25:31.359 You know. 1797 01:25:31.399 --> 01:25:35.039 I asked Jason, Kurt, and Pablo all the same thing 1798 01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:37.079 when they joined the show after the window closed, and 1799 01:25:37.119 --> 01:25:40.840 I said, do you feel like he sacrificed short term 1800 01:25:41.239 --> 01:25:44.119 potential to do something special for the long game? 1801 01:25:44.239 --> 01:25:45.000 Like was that the deal? 1802 01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:48.119 And they all said no, they still confident they can 1803 01:25:48.159 --> 01:25:50.800 get something special done this year. So where are you 1804 01:25:50.840 --> 01:25:53.600 at now with kind of this recalibrated RSL group. 1805 01:25:55.039 --> 01:25:57.880 Well, I think one thing that's pretty evident is you 1806 01:25:57.920 --> 01:26:00.840 know and Gomez, and I'm still blown away the business 1807 01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:02.800 they did with that price tag where he had to 1808 01:26:02.840 --> 01:26:05.199 sell him And I mean he's had a rough start 1809 01:26:05.279 --> 01:26:07.560 in Europe, he's been injured. I think he's played one game, 1810 01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:11.720 so he's, uh, that's neither here nor there. But you know, 1811 01:26:12.399 --> 01:26:15.079 if he's successful, that's only going to benefit Rail Salt Lake, 1812 01:26:15.079 --> 01:26:18.159 if in fact he gets sold here the idea, you know, 1813 01:26:18.239 --> 01:26:20.479 sometimes you have to explain it to people about being 1814 01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:26.520 a reliable club that develops talent, so that teams like 1815 01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:30.680 scot Rene or n Is, you know, is world famous 1816 01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:33.600 for developing young players. They have a great academy, so 1817 01:26:33.640 --> 01:26:40.319 many top top players Jeremy Doku, Eduardo kammaving Peter Check 1818 01:26:40.439 --> 01:26:42.960 have come through there because they have a great scouting system. 1819 01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:45.079 So they fought enough about Andres Gomanz and they've faught 1820 01:26:45.159 --> 01:26:48.159 enough about to pay a big price tag and now 1821 01:26:48.239 --> 01:26:51.840 Rail Salt Lake in the world football stage is going 1822 01:26:51.880 --> 01:26:54.479 to benefit greatly. I know people probably go, wait a minute, well, 1823 01:26:54.479 --> 01:26:57.760 we had this great player, but now clubs know that 1824 01:26:57.840 --> 01:27:02.520 Rail Salt Lake is legit when it comes to identifying, 1825 01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:04.920 developing and then selling players. So this is going to 1826 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:08.439 be big long term. As for the short term, yes, 1827 01:27:09.479 --> 01:27:13.119 his void is really evident, not just because they haven't 1828 01:27:13.159 --> 01:27:16.840 been able to duplicate what he does out wide. And 1829 01:27:16.920 --> 01:27:19.439 I talked to Pablo about this. It's affecting Chi Cho 1830 01:27:19.479 --> 01:27:23.720 on Angle. Chi Cho Levanngo and him were great foils, 1831 01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:27.119 great tag team. Chicho became a better player clearly be 1832 01:27:27.119 --> 01:27:30.199 cause Andras Gomez was stretching out the field and Chi 1833 01:27:30.279 --> 01:27:33.479 Cho hoongle is finding space that's not there yet. So 1834 01:27:34.680 --> 01:27:37.039 that's a big one. I mean that could be railed 1835 01:27:37.960 --> 01:27:41.520 the chances for RSL to hit their targets. Whatever that is. 1836 01:27:41.560 --> 01:27:44.119 Making an MLS Cup final, winning an MLS Cup Final 1837 01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:49.279 and winning a playoff series, So there's I think in 1838 01:27:49.399 --> 01:27:51.880 theory was what the good news is they really were 1839 01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:55.159 active and ambitious with the players they brought in. They 1840 01:27:55.159 --> 01:27:57.159 could have sold the player like Atlanta. Did you know 1841 01:27:57.199 --> 01:27:59.560 Atlanta cleared them all out. Granted Atlanta's not in a 1842 01:27:59.560 --> 01:28:03.359 good position, but they haven't replaced those players yet. They 1843 01:28:03.399 --> 01:28:05.680 went out, and you know, they have to hope that 1844 01:28:05.720 --> 01:28:09.000 they get Diogo something out of Diogo. They've been lucky 1845 01:28:09.039 --> 01:28:11.119 with Mark Chuk, who I mean, I had my first 1846 01:28:11.159 --> 01:28:14.479 look at him, really impressed. He's no Andre's Gomed, but 1847 01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:20.319 he couldn't contribute something on that side, and it's it's tricky. 1848 01:28:20.560 --> 01:28:24.000 Look if I look at the West with Andres Gomezrael 1849 01:28:24.079 --> 01:28:25.279 felt late to me or one of the two or 1850 01:28:25.279 --> 01:28:28.600 three best teams there without him, maybe fourth or fifth. 1851 01:28:28.680 --> 01:28:32.960 And it's so tightly packed. You need game breakers. So 1852 01:28:33.039 --> 01:28:39.239 hopefully Mark Chuk or more specifically Diogo or Gonsalves is 1853 01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:41.720 the guy that can provide it. They have talent, but 1854 01:28:42.039 --> 01:28:47.079 the problem is so do the Galaxy Rapids, LAFC, Houston 1855 01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:48.119 and Portland Seattle. 1856 01:28:49.199 --> 01:28:52.840 So Max, you know, we really can and will debates, 1857 01:28:52.920 --> 01:28:54.640 you know, whether or not the attack is where it 1858 01:28:54.720 --> 01:28:57.039 needs to be But I'll tell you what if they 1859 01:28:57.079 --> 01:29:00.439 don't figure out the situation, and I always has to 1860 01:29:00.479 --> 01:29:04.199 just simply blame the keeper, just blame Gavin or blame Zach. 1861 01:29:04.920 --> 01:29:08.720 There have been a tremendous amount of very soft goals 1862 01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:13.279 allowed in my opinion, Max all year. It's not good enough. 1863 01:29:13.399 --> 01:29:16.039 So I do think they've got enough firepower. And I 1864 01:29:16.039 --> 01:29:17.680 do want to talk about cheat you in a moment, 1865 01:29:18.199 --> 01:29:20.079 But tell me your thoughts on where we're at with 1866 01:29:20.119 --> 01:29:22.960 either Zach or Gavin, And is it a back line 1867 01:29:23.000 --> 01:29:26.479 issue like you defend as a team, it's an eleven 1868 01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:27.079 player deal. 1869 01:29:27.119 --> 01:29:28.560 And Pablo asked that out of his group. 1870 01:29:28.640 --> 01:29:30.159 So I don't want to hone I don't want to 1871 01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:33.199 hone in and pin this on just one person or 1872 01:29:33.239 --> 01:29:36.000 one thing. But I think in my opinion it's it's 1873 01:29:36.039 --> 01:29:38.560 safe to say it's been too softback there for too long. 1874 01:29:38.640 --> 01:29:41.720 So give me your thoughts on that dynamic well, and I. 1875 01:29:41.680 --> 01:29:44.520 Think earlier the season, because you know Zack, it's got 1876 01:29:44.560 --> 01:29:46.840 to be frustrating. He has a great game and then 1877 01:29:46.840 --> 01:29:49.319 he has the one, you know, the howler, which could 1878 01:29:49.479 --> 01:29:52.279 many times have cost ourselves. Gavin Beavers, you're a little 1879 01:29:52.319 --> 01:29:57.119 more forgiving because he's a teenager, but he's getting an 1880 01:29:57.119 --> 01:29:59.960 opportunity because Zach hasn't been clean. I would have made 1881 01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:04.239 and that's a fair affessment. So Gavin's been fast tracked 1882 01:30:04.239 --> 01:30:06.199 a bit. I like Gvin Beavers a lot, but you're 1883 01:30:06.199 --> 01:30:08.600 gonna have to take the inexperience, the good and the 1884 01:30:08.640 --> 01:30:10.479 bad here with him. And if you're a team of 1885 01:30:10.479 --> 01:30:13.840 these playoff positions, it's probably gonna bite you at some 1886 01:30:13.960 --> 01:30:16.840 point because he's going to enter this form and very 1887 01:30:16.920 --> 01:30:18.760 rarely you see young players, but there's not my, me 1888 01:30:18.760 --> 01:30:20.479 and you miles all over the place that they're just 1889 01:30:20.680 --> 01:30:23.840 are wise beyond their years. You know, I would have 1890 01:30:23.840 --> 01:30:25.720 loved u seeing Rayl salt Lake pursue and get a 1891 01:30:25.760 --> 01:30:28.079 top keeper. Imagine, I mean, I don't know if it 1892 01:30:28.119 --> 01:30:30.880 was feasibly possible. Imagine they made a push for Zach 1893 01:30:30.920 --> 01:30:33.760 Stephan like the Rapids did. I mean that Rayal salt 1894 01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:35.560 Lake team all of a sudden looks a lot lot better, 1895 01:30:36.319 --> 01:30:39.279 but they feel confident with Zach. But the one thing 1896 01:30:39.319 --> 01:30:42.319 I see more for Gavin than Zach. And they played 1897 01:30:42.399 --> 01:30:44.239 Portland and they didn't do it, but once they did 1898 01:30:44.239 --> 01:30:47.119 it a couple of times when you press them, the 1899 01:30:47.239 --> 01:30:51.000 playing out of the back is not very desirable. I mean, 1900 01:30:51.159 --> 01:30:54.520 and they don't play exclusively. They do, that's kind of 1901 01:30:54.560 --> 01:30:57.159 part of what Pablo does, but he almost we think 1902 01:30:57.159 --> 01:30:59.840 it just dump it in the meantime. But you would 1903 01:30:59.840 --> 01:31:03.000 like to see them get a top top keeper here 1904 01:31:03.039 --> 01:31:05.560 at some point, because even with Zach, there's like mistakes 1905 01:31:05.600 --> 01:31:08.039 from playing out of the back when teams press you 1906 01:31:08.079 --> 01:31:10.960 in pressure, which they're going to do, even teams that 1907 01:31:11.199 --> 01:31:13.319 generally don't press a lot, because I think they can 1908 01:31:13.319 --> 01:31:15.840 get an advantage out of that. And that's that's a 1909 01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:19.880 bit of an achilles for RSL and they they've got 1910 01:31:19.880 --> 01:31:22.880 to just hope that these guys can put together quality 1911 01:31:22.880 --> 01:31:25.159 game after quality game, and a mistake, which we have 1912 01:31:25.239 --> 01:31:28.000 seen a fair bitness season doesn't rise at the worst 1913 01:31:28.039 --> 01:31:29.920 possible time, so Max. 1914 01:31:30.159 --> 01:31:34.520 At one point, when RSL went fifteen matches without an 1915 01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:38.079 l if Chico had one goal, it felt like he 1916 01:31:38.159 --> 01:31:40.920 had an off game. And he's had one goal in 1917 01:31:41.079 --> 01:31:42.039 nine games now. 1918 01:31:43.159 --> 01:31:43.319 You know. 1919 01:31:43.319 --> 01:31:46.960 When the news came down about the suspension, I talked 1920 01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:50.119 about it on air and disgusted with people off air 1921 01:31:50.199 --> 01:31:54.199 about the very type of thing that, if not handled 1922 01:31:54.319 --> 01:31:57.560 appropriately or correctly, can derail a player and a team. 1923 01:31:57.600 --> 01:32:00.760 I've seen it countless of times in my two decades 1924 01:32:00.800 --> 01:32:04.439 doing this. I'm not I'm not blaming it all on that. Okay, 1925 01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:07.479 I'm not laying it all on that. But something has 1926 01:32:07.680 --> 01:32:11.039 changed in him where he has not been as dangerous 1927 01:32:11.079 --> 01:32:14.000 in the attack as he was when RSL felt like 1928 01:32:14.039 --> 01:32:15.760 they were playing as well as anyone in all of. 1929 01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:16.680 MLS for a while. 1930 01:32:16.720 --> 01:32:19.680 Give me your give me your thoughts on Chicho's incredible 1931 01:32:19.720 --> 01:32:22.239 season suddenly going cold and do you think he can 1932 01:32:22.239 --> 01:32:22.880 turn it around? 1933 01:32:23.960 --> 01:32:29.239 Yeah? I can answered. Part of that drop is on 1934 01:32:29.439 --> 01:32:31.720 Thiss Gooma is no longer there. You need to see it. 1935 01:32:31.760 --> 01:32:35.079 You can see it's affecting it the uh. The other 1936 01:32:35.199 --> 01:32:38.439 part is this was a pretty traumatic stretch and he 1937 01:32:38.640 --> 01:32:42.840 was so I mean he I don't think he was 1938 01:32:42.880 --> 01:32:44.479 so good earlier in the season. He had a couple 1939 01:32:44.479 --> 01:32:46.560 of hat tricks. He was just scoring, scoring, scoring, And 1940 01:32:46.760 --> 01:32:48.840 I don't think anyone's gonna say he's gonna keep playing 1941 01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:52.800 that way. I mean, he is second in the Golden 1942 01:32:52.840 --> 01:32:55.359 Boot and he's basically been gone for two months. So 1943 01:32:55.399 --> 01:32:57.399 I mean, if he played, if he's if he was 1944 01:32:57.439 --> 01:33:01.600 playing regularly and at the clip from earlier the season, 1945 01:33:01.640 --> 01:33:03.760 he would have like twenty seven to twenty eight goals, 1946 01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:09.079 which is approaching the single season record. So you know 1947 01:33:09.199 --> 01:33:13.319 that's neither here nor there either. But you can't have 1948 01:33:13.399 --> 01:33:15.560 the early season, Chicho, But you need to have better 1949 01:33:15.600 --> 01:33:17.760 than what you have right now. I get the feeling 1950 01:33:17.800 --> 01:33:19.800 that he needs a goal to kind of take the 1951 01:33:19.840 --> 01:33:23.359 lid off a little bit, and he has to create 1952 01:33:23.479 --> 01:33:26.520 new partnerships. He has to play it a little differently 1953 01:33:26.600 --> 01:33:30.319 because they don't have on this gomaz and Diego Gonzales 1954 01:33:30.439 --> 01:33:34.439 isn't a direct replacement for Goma, So a lot of 1955 01:33:34.439 --> 01:33:37.039 teams do it, and I'm here at LAFC and LSD 1956 01:33:37.439 --> 01:33:40.199 suffered from this as well. I think they suffered for 1957 01:33:40.199 --> 01:33:42.520 it this year. They suffered in twenty twenty two when 1958 01:33:42.520 --> 01:33:44.840 they brought in Georgia Kileeni and Gareth Bale. You're bringing 1959 01:33:44.920 --> 01:33:46.680 players at the tail end of the season and you 1960 01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:51.560 have to incorporate them and it's never clean. So I 1961 01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:54.119 think that's part of what Chicho is dealing with. But 1962 01:33:54.239 --> 01:33:56.239 this is a big distraction and he's going to have 1963 01:33:56.319 --> 01:34:00.720 to He's gonna have to do more than anyone to 1964 01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:04.960 overcome it because he is They expect so much of him. 1965 01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:07.039 And it's been weird for Rail salt Lake because you 1966 01:34:07.079 --> 01:34:09.720 said that fifteen game Winles Street, they can I mean 1967 01:34:09.920 --> 01:34:13.199 them getting two wins in a row is rare late 1968 01:34:13.239 --> 01:34:17.239 summer through September, so I mean, it's just so inconsistent 1969 01:34:17.319 --> 01:34:19.399 and it's a different team. But there's a lot of 1970 01:34:19.439 --> 01:34:21.119 things that play. There's a lot of things that Rayl 1971 01:34:21.199 --> 01:34:23.239 salt Lake have to take ownership off, but there's some 1972 01:34:23.279 --> 01:34:25.079 things that are out of their control. If you sell 1973 01:34:25.079 --> 01:34:28.640 a player like Andreskomas and you're active in the summer market, 1974 01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:32.920 which RSL were, you hope that it clicks into place 1975 01:34:33.000 --> 01:34:37.000 like a jig Salt puzzle by October. But we'll see. 1976 01:34:37.720 --> 01:34:41.520 You know, we we're accustomed to mercurial strikers around here 1977 01:34:41.560 --> 01:34:44.399 with Alvaro Savario and you're a moth SISI and I 1978 01:34:44.399 --> 01:34:46.720 could keep going, and maybe that's just the deal with 1979 01:34:46.760 --> 01:34:50.039 that position. A number nine, who you know suddenly can 1980 01:34:50.079 --> 01:34:53.039 have a rapid change in production or change in mood. 1981 01:34:53.079 --> 01:34:54.920 I don't know, chi Cho Max. 1982 01:34:54.960 --> 01:34:56.880 I think that you do because he was in LA 1983 01:34:56.960 --> 01:35:00.279 when you know and you're you're there, so help help 1984 01:35:00.319 --> 01:35:05.199 me understand. Is he prone to these incredible peaks and valleys. 1985 01:35:05.279 --> 01:35:07.520 Is that something that he's known for, because I honestly 1986 01:35:07.560 --> 01:35:08.840 don't know. I'm asking just to ask. 1987 01:35:09.720 --> 01:35:13.279 No, he was prolific with LAFC. I mean, he had 1988 01:35:13.279 --> 01:35:18.640 two seasons there and he hit the ground running and 1989 01:35:18.680 --> 01:35:22.359 there was rarely a stretch where he didn't score. So 1990 01:35:23.239 --> 01:35:25.039 this is a little bit. I mean, this is the 1991 01:35:25.079 --> 01:35:31.119 first real dry spell he has had in his MLS career. 1992 01:35:31.159 --> 01:35:34.319 I mean, his time in Mexico didn't go great, but 1993 01:35:34.600 --> 01:35:37.039 you know, at LAFC, and he scored fourteen goals in 1994 01:35:37.119 --> 01:35:40.239 seventeen games in the first year, which is phenomenal, and 1995 01:35:40.279 --> 01:35:42.840 then in twenty twenty two he had sixteen goals. He 1996 01:35:42.840 --> 01:35:44.920 played every game and he was part of a championship 1997 01:35:44.960 --> 01:35:48.760 season where there was a little more rotation. So he's 1998 01:35:48.840 --> 01:35:50.560 been good. I mean, that's part of it, and that's 1999 01:35:50.600 --> 01:35:54.640 I think part of the reason Pablo Mastronni identified him 2000 01:35:54.880 --> 01:35:57.119 as the guy he wanted is I know he can 2001 01:35:57.159 --> 01:35:59.760 be a consistent goal scorer at MLS. He has proven that, 2002 01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:04.479 and he proved it last year when he arrived at 2003 01:36:04.479 --> 01:36:06.840 the tail end, and he's proved it most of the 2004 01:36:06.880 --> 01:36:10.680 season here. It'd be hard to imagine he continues in 2005 01:36:10.720 --> 01:36:14.199 this run I get the feeling that there's at least 2006 01:36:14.199 --> 01:36:16.680 the goal, maybe not four or five in a three 2007 01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:19.159 game stretch, but a goal or two that will help 2008 01:36:19.199 --> 01:36:21.319 this team. He is really good, and he's good. He's 2009 01:36:21.359 --> 01:36:25.199 really good in this league, and he's adapted many times 2010 01:36:25.199 --> 01:36:28.039 because he dealt with those LASC teams that brought in 2011 01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:32.560 so many different players. So he's everything is there to 2012 01:36:32.640 --> 01:36:37.840 suggest a spence that he is going to get. There's 2013 01:36:37.880 --> 01:36:40.680 going to be an upward trend here again, but that's 2014 01:36:40.760 --> 01:36:43.119 not guaranteed. But we've seen him do it in the past, 2015 01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:45.279 and I've never seen him have a really bad spell. 2016 01:36:45.359 --> 01:36:46.960 I get the feeling he's going to get out of it. 2017 01:36:47.680 --> 01:36:49.359 I know we already talked about the keeper, but I 2018 01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:51.479 want to follow up here. Pablo hopped on the show 2019 01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:54.479 about three weeks ago and announced that the starting keeper 2020 01:36:54.520 --> 01:36:56.520 was now Gavin and Zach is going to be benched 2021 01:36:57.039 --> 01:36:57.840 four games last. 2022 01:36:57.920 --> 01:37:00.800 Then it's playoff time. Who would you wrote with match. 2023 01:37:00.640 --> 01:37:02.079 To get Do you go with the young kid who 2024 01:37:02.079 --> 01:37:04.039 everybody thinks is going to be a beast when he's 2025 01:37:04.039 --> 01:37:06.199 fully baked, or do you go with the vet who's 2026 01:37:06.199 --> 01:37:08.960 been there before you know? Or do you take the 2027 01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:10.880 next four games and try to figure it out. Who 2028 01:37:10.880 --> 01:37:12.319 do you think should be between the pipes? 2029 01:37:13.279 --> 01:37:15.239 When I asked Pablo that, because I said, is this 2030 01:37:15.279 --> 01:37:17.479 being Gavin's the starter? Because he's started these last four 2031 01:37:17.560 --> 01:37:19.880 or five games, and he was like reluctant. So I 2032 01:37:19.960 --> 01:37:22.880 think Zach's going to get another sniff at it. I think, 2033 01:37:23.000 --> 01:37:27.520 deep down because some of the Zach you say, hopefully 2034 01:37:27.600 --> 01:37:29.399 he just figures it out. This is a guy, a 2035 01:37:29.520 --> 01:37:32.279 real veteran, and he's played a ton of games in 2036 01:37:32.399 --> 01:37:34.600 MLS all over the place that he could figure it out. 2037 01:37:34.640 --> 01:37:38.000 I think it's a little riskier for Gavin because you 2038 01:37:38.199 --> 01:37:42.239 know that you're going to have to deal with some 2039 01:37:42.840 --> 01:37:47.880 rookie or some being green mistakes. They're going they're almost 2040 01:37:47.960 --> 01:37:50.439 guaranteed to happen. You can with Zak you can say 2041 01:37:50.720 --> 01:37:52.760 they are they're probably going to happen, but there's a 2042 01:37:52.760 --> 01:37:55.439 better chance they don't happen. And he has a good stretch. 2043 01:37:55.760 --> 01:37:57.720 So I think Zach's still very much into it. I 2044 01:37:58.000 --> 01:38:01.479 would imagine depending on these last four games, that you 2045 01:38:01.479 --> 01:38:03.680 know Zach is when the playoffs roll around, has a 2046 01:38:03.760 --> 01:38:06.439 chance to be the number one guy for the duration 2047 01:38:06.560 --> 01:38:07.319 of the postseason. 2048 01:38:08.319 --> 01:38:11.279 All Right, I had Gartha on the program. Garth log 2049 01:38:11.279 --> 01:38:13.880 Away on the program after Atlanta was in town. I 2050 01:38:13.920 --> 01:38:16.079 asked him a very direct question. I'm gonna ask you 2051 01:38:16.119 --> 01:38:20.399 the same. Do you believe RSL has a legitimate chance 2052 01:38:20.439 --> 01:38:23.079 to hoist MLS Cup this year for the first time 2053 01:38:23.119 --> 01:38:24.079 since two thousand and nine? 2054 01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:28.479 They do have a chance. There's not a team. I mean, 2055 01:38:28.520 --> 01:38:32.039 the Galaxy look like they're gonna finish first and you're 2056 01:38:32.039 --> 01:38:34.720 gonna have to go beat them at their place, which 2057 01:38:34.760 --> 01:38:37.159 are us all almost god earlier this season a long time ago, 2058 01:38:37.640 --> 01:38:40.119 So I don't think there's a big gap from anywhere else. 2059 01:38:40.239 --> 01:38:47.520 LAFC are struggling and certainly in league play. But if 2060 01:38:47.600 --> 01:38:49.279 I had to pick a list, I mean, I would 2061 01:38:49.279 --> 01:38:52.760 say Galaxy would be number one, and then I like 2062 01:38:52.840 --> 01:38:55.920 Houston a lot. Houston looks like a team that they've 2063 01:38:55.920 --> 01:38:58.760 won eight away games. I put Houston too, and then 2064 01:38:58.800 --> 01:39:05.279 I'd put LAFC RSL maybe and Vancouver right behind them. 2065 01:39:05.840 --> 01:39:09.239 But it's it's so tight, I mean, if the Galaxy don't, 2066 01:39:09.439 --> 01:39:12.079 if the Galaxy have any issues, it's it's wide open, 2067 01:39:12.399 --> 01:39:14.720 and I think you would be you'd like your chances 2068 01:39:14.720 --> 01:39:17.800 against the Galaxy better than either Columbus or Inner Miami. 2069 01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:19.880 Those are the two best teams in the league right now, 2070 01:39:19.920 --> 01:39:23.159 So the West will provide some opportunity. I tend to 2071 01:39:23.159 --> 01:39:25.319 think there will be a surprise or two, which we 2072 01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:27.640 haven't had the last couple of years in the West. 2073 01:39:27.640 --> 01:39:29.479 I mean Saint Louis getting knocked out, but they were. 2074 01:39:29.560 --> 01:39:31.199 You know, it's hard to see them as a number 2075 01:39:31.199 --> 01:39:34.720 one seed in any other year because it was it 2076 01:39:34.760 --> 01:39:36.960 was a magical regular season. But I think RSL have 2077 01:39:37.079 --> 01:39:40.800 a shot. They have to be they have to be 2078 01:39:40.880 --> 01:39:44.359 stout defensively, and they need some magic from chi Cho 2079 01:39:44.800 --> 01:39:47.079 Luna and some of the new guys. But to say 2080 01:39:47.079 --> 01:39:49.760 they don't have a chance, I think would be unfair. 2081 01:39:49.800 --> 01:39:53.439 They've had a really good season. They it also comes 2082 01:39:53.439 --> 01:39:55.359 down to the matchups. We'll see what they get, but 2083 01:39:55.399 --> 01:39:58.359 I think they it has things have to fall in place, 2084 01:39:58.399 --> 01:39:59.159 but it's possible. 2085 01:40:00.119 --> 01:40:02.760 Well, all you can ask for is a shot going 2086 01:40:02.760 --> 01:40:04.760 to the playoffs, right Like, that's all you can ask 2087 01:40:04.800 --> 01:40:06.760 for is a shot, especially if you're not among the 2088 01:40:06.840 --> 01:40:10.039 league lead leaders and spend. Do you like the playoff format? 2089 01:40:10.119 --> 01:40:12.039 Does it feel like it's too saturated, Does it feel 2090 01:40:12.079 --> 01:40:14.079 like too many teams get in? Do you like the 2091 01:40:14.239 --> 01:40:16.079 current MLS playoff format. 2092 01:40:18.079 --> 01:40:20.880 Actually the West. I mean, I always have people criticized 2093 01:40:20.920 --> 01:40:23.800 because you know, people love to criticize MLS even though 2094 01:40:23.960 --> 01:40:26.840 things that are happening in MLS other leagues are imitating now. 2095 01:40:27.239 --> 01:40:29.199 And I think what they did, like with Leagues Cup, 2096 01:40:29.319 --> 01:40:32.359 is a real avant garde move that I think other 2097 01:40:32.479 --> 01:40:37.039 leagues will imitate as well. But it's everyone in the 2098 01:40:37.079 --> 01:40:40.439 West right now has a five hundred record or better. 2099 01:40:40.520 --> 01:40:44.079 An eight of the nine teams are well above five hundred. 2100 01:40:44.479 --> 01:40:47.600 So that's the rule of thumb, right, if you're above 2101 01:40:47.640 --> 01:40:49.960 five hundred, you should make the playoffs, and mostly not 2102 01:40:50.000 --> 01:40:52.680 all of them in American leagues, we should say, but 2103 01:40:52.960 --> 01:40:57.600 it's maybe maybe you have those teams, but you find 2104 01:40:57.640 --> 01:40:59.600 a way to protect the higher seeds a little better, 2105 01:40:59.640 --> 01:41:01.520 like you give them a buy or a double buy, 2106 01:41:02.319 --> 01:41:04.159 and you can have those teams. I'm fine with it. 2107 01:41:04.199 --> 01:41:06.960 My big issue with the playoffs we had it last 2108 01:41:07.000 --> 01:41:08.840 year and we had it this year is you have 2109 01:41:08.960 --> 01:41:12.079 that international window and it just really takes the wind 2110 01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:14.600 out of the sales when you're going through and all 2111 01:41:14.640 --> 01:41:16.920 of a sudden you have to stop before the conference 2112 01:41:17.520 --> 01:41:21.039 semis and then onwards there is a big gap which 2113 01:41:20.560 --> 01:41:22.680 we can't really do much about, and you don't want 2114 01:41:22.680 --> 01:41:25.399 to play on that weekend. That's the only issue. But 2115 01:41:25.439 --> 01:41:27.600 then on the side I don't want I don't know 2116 01:41:27.600 --> 01:41:30.640 if the ending the season in mid October makes sense either. 2117 01:41:30.720 --> 01:41:33.079 You might as well go. It's just that one gap 2118 01:41:33.119 --> 01:41:35.920 which you just learned to deal with. But I think 2119 01:41:35.960 --> 01:41:40.720 in a perfect world, maybe six, maybe you lose two 2120 01:41:40.960 --> 01:41:43.800 four teams from the playoffs set up, but that's not 2121 01:41:43.840 --> 01:41:46.640 going to happen everyone the reality it might get bigger 2122 01:41:46.640 --> 01:41:48.960 at some point, but I'm warmed up to it. But 2123 01:41:49.000 --> 01:41:51.640 I think maybe it would make the irregular season a 2124 01:41:51.680 --> 01:41:55.520 little more interesting if say six teams make it, or 2125 01:41:56.520 --> 01:41:58.680 teams that finished seventh and eighth have to win twice 2126 01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:00.600 just to get a shot at one of them higher seat. 2127 01:42:01.399 --> 01:42:03.439 I like that. I like that, Max, before I said, 2128 01:42:03.439 --> 01:42:03.720 you lose. 2129 01:42:03.760 --> 01:42:05.439 Since you and I last spoke, we had a really 2130 01:42:05.920 --> 01:42:09.000 really fun, cool event here in the market. Kyle Beckerman 2131 01:42:09.239 --> 01:42:12.279 was inducted into the Utah Sports Hall of Fame, and 2132 01:42:12.319 --> 01:42:13.920 then we had a dinner the next night of the 2133 01:42:13.920 --> 01:42:16.560 stadium to honor that two thousand and nine MLS Cup 2134 01:42:16.600 --> 01:42:19.399 championship team with a bunch of the former players. I've 2135 01:42:19.439 --> 01:42:22.319 never heard the Max bread Us Kyle Beckerman take. You know, 2136 01:42:22.399 --> 01:42:26.520 he changed everything here instantly after the trade went down. 2137 01:42:26.760 --> 01:42:28.560 I mean it was instantaneous. 2138 01:42:28.560 --> 01:42:30.840 And I remember his first training thinking like that, dude 2139 01:42:31.239 --> 01:42:33.039 is different than anyone we have had. 2140 01:42:33.079 --> 01:42:33.239 Now. 2141 01:42:33.279 --> 01:42:36.960 It was a very young franchise, and you know, Jason 2142 01:42:37.039 --> 01:42:40.520 Christ himself said that if Kyle embraced Kyle want this 2143 01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:43.000 is Kyle's own these are his own words. He always 2144 01:42:43.000 --> 01:42:45.720 wanted to be a striker because he wanted to score goals, 2145 01:42:46.119 --> 01:42:48.920 or like a central attacking mid, and you know, he 2146 01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:49.840 scored a lot of goals. 2147 01:42:49.880 --> 01:42:50.800 He could really bomb it. 2148 01:42:50.880 --> 01:42:52.840 You know, we used to call him Becker Bombs around here. 2149 01:42:52.840 --> 01:42:56.119 But Jason asked him to embrace the central holding mid 2150 01:42:56.199 --> 01:42:58.880 role and said to me on air, if Kyle plays 2151 01:42:58.920 --> 01:43:01.840 this position, he will play in a World Cup, which 2152 01:43:01.880 --> 01:43:04.720 he did. So, I you know, like it's weird to 2153 01:43:04.720 --> 01:43:06.920 say as a radio host, super proud of him or 2154 01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:09.199 everything that he's done here since he landed way back 2155 01:43:09.239 --> 01:43:11.840 in two thousand and seven, but he's a Hall of famer. 2156 01:43:11.880 --> 01:43:13.479 Now, Max, what's the Kyle Beckerman take? 2157 01:43:15.359 --> 01:43:20.159 It's so unexpected to see the benchmarks that he reads, 2158 01:43:20.159 --> 01:43:22.000 and I talked to Donny and he tells me he 2159 01:43:22.079 --> 01:43:23.920 kills me in now that he's a coach at what 2160 01:43:24.039 --> 01:43:28.000 Utah Valley or that's amazing. I mean, what a great 2161 01:43:28.000 --> 01:43:31.359 opportunity for those young players to get someone like that 2162 01:43:31.560 --> 01:43:36.159 who has played, you know, more MLS games than everyone 2163 01:43:36.199 --> 01:43:38.640 except for what Nick Romondo. I mean, we're talking about 2164 01:43:38.640 --> 01:43:41.560 almost six hundred or we are talking about six hundred 2165 01:43:41.560 --> 01:43:45.840 games when you include everything, and I mean he hit 2166 01:43:45.840 --> 01:43:48.720 his targets. You mentioned winning MLS Cup and being part 2167 01:43:48.760 --> 01:43:52.000 of RSL when they were a bad team, to being 2168 01:43:52.119 --> 01:43:56.520 a playoff a perennial playoff team and an MLS Cup contender. 2169 01:43:57.039 --> 01:44:00.800 But I think with Kyle Beckerman what comes to mind? 2170 01:44:01.520 --> 01:44:04.439 And I heard Tavano say this. He called the twenty 2171 01:44:04.479 --> 01:44:09.439 fourteen World Cup team the best US team he has seen. 2172 01:44:09.479 --> 01:44:11.520 And Kyle Beckerman was a part of that and part 2173 01:44:11.520 --> 01:44:18.279 of that era. He was so underappreciated and for what 2174 01:44:18.319 --> 01:44:20.239 he did on the national team, you know, like sixty 2175 01:44:20.279 --> 01:44:24.119 caps and played alongside some of our best players. Ever, 2176 01:44:24.279 --> 01:44:27.199 never was out of place, great teammate, a guy who 2177 01:44:27.199 --> 01:44:30.399 did the dirty work so that these others could excel 2178 01:44:30.520 --> 01:44:32.840 on that national team. And he didn't get enough credit 2179 01:44:32.840 --> 01:44:36.399 for that. And you know, like in twenty twenty four, 2180 01:44:36.439 --> 01:44:39.560 where the people ridicule MLS players, they don't ridicule, but 2181 01:44:39.640 --> 01:44:42.600 they don't they equate MLS on the national team as 2182 01:44:42.640 --> 01:44:46.000 a weakness. I mean, imagine Kyle Beckerman didn't get that chance, 2183 01:44:46.039 --> 01:44:48.079 and what a great servant he is for this league 2184 01:44:48.079 --> 01:44:50.680 for not only being as good as he was, but 2185 01:44:50.960 --> 01:44:55.119 you know, spending his entire career here with RFL in 2186 01:44:55.159 --> 01:44:58.960 Colorado and briefly with the Miami Fusion. Those are the 2187 01:44:59.039 --> 01:45:01.880 kind of guys that ten twenty thirty years, when this 2188 01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:04.479 league is growing, you point out and say, you know 2189 01:45:04.560 --> 01:45:07.239 that is He's the foundation. This is why we were 2190 01:45:07.279 --> 01:45:10.359 successful because you can have players that commit themselves to 2191 01:45:10.439 --> 01:45:14.039 the league and still achieve everything they want in a 2192 01:45:14.079 --> 01:45:17.720 professional career. I don't know if that opportunity for Europe 2193 01:45:19.000 --> 01:45:24.000 may I'm sure he thinks about it, but it's just perfect. 2194 01:45:24.039 --> 01:45:25.399 You know how he was able to do that and 2195 01:45:25.439 --> 01:45:27.720 still be a part of some great national teams. And 2196 01:45:27.800 --> 01:45:30.279 I thought he was a great national team player. And 2197 01:45:30.479 --> 01:45:32.399 I mean the hair, I mean, the hair is amazing 2198 01:45:32.439 --> 01:45:34.960 and just to see it and I've mis seen him 2199 01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:37.880 galloping around and a durability. Just a tremendous talent and 2200 01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:40.319 asset and wonderful guy for our league. I'm a big 2201 01:45:40.399 --> 01:45:42.439 m a less guy. I'm glad we have Kyle Beckerman. 2202 01:45:43.039 --> 01:45:43.319 Max. 2203 01:45:43.319 --> 01:45:45.119 Thanks for the time, buddy, I appreciate it. Have a 2204 01:45:45.159 --> 01:45:46.279 great weekendial chat soon. 2205 01:45:47.479 --> 01:45:50.359 You have a great Thursday spent. Yes, have a great weekend. 2206 01:45:50.479 --> 01:45:53.319 Yes sir, Yes, sir. Our weekend starts tonight. Max, I 2207 01:45:53.359 --> 01:45:55.479 said it out loud. That's the deal. That's the deal, 2208 01:45:55.520 --> 01:45:59.000 all right. Our good friend Max Bradas. He announces RSL 2209 01:45:59.119 --> 01:46:02.199 games at time, stills other MLS matches depending on his 2210 01:46:03.159 --> 01:46:05.840 his assignment. He works with Donny. They're the look there. 2211 01:46:05.920 --> 01:46:08.800 I'm biased. They're the best duo on Apple TV by far. 2212 01:46:09.479 --> 01:46:12.279 Max is on social media at max breadas Sports is 2213 01:46:12.279 --> 01:46:13.319 where you find them