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<v Speaker 1>It's nice, Dan ray I'm going you easy Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Madison Rogers, and I hope you have a

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<v Speaker 2>great weekend and a couple of days off. I know

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking forward to the weekend. It is Friday night,

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<v Speaker 2>June twenty seventh.

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<v Speaker 3>We are a mayor.

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<v Speaker 2>What's it four days now, less than four days, three

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<v Speaker 2>plus days away from July. We're almost halfway through the year.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Dan raym the host of Night's One.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm heard every Monday through Friday night right here on WBZ,

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<v Speaker 2>Boston's news radio. And as I mentioned last night, and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, we'll always mention, Rob Brooks is back in

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<v Speaker 2>me directly or to Rob. Actually to to me through

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<v Speaker 2>Rob a thirty second commentary. Now, we obviously want people

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<v Speaker 2>calling the show, because this is a talk show. Once

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<v Speaker 2>we get to our caller guests, which we begin after

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<v Speaker 2>nine o'clock, I'll get to our four guests very quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>So please do bring that down onto your device and

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<v Speaker 2>then you can be in contact. You can just if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have time to call in and give us

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<v Speaker 2>a quick little shout out within thirty seconds, tell us

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<v Speaker 2>what you're thinking. So that's my pitch for the night,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's my free gift for the night. And we

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<v Speaker 2>have four interesting guests different top here, some of which

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<v Speaker 2>I understand better than the others.

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<v Speaker 3>But the first one.

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<v Speaker 2>I think all of us understand, and that is as

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<v Speaker 2>we travel this summer, or as we travel anywhere anytime

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<v Speaker 2>during the year, we're going to learn. Now, what are

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<v Speaker 2>the germiest places. I'm not talking about countries. I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the germiest locations on you travel itinerary that you

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<v Speaker 2>can be exposed to with us as Derek OLIVERA he

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<v Speaker 2>is a global consultant with ISA or ISASA. I have

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<v Speaker 2>been trying to figure out what the ACRONYMSA stands for. So, Derek,

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<v Speaker 2>you work for the company. I assume you know what

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<v Speaker 2>it is. What does ISSA stand for? And welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>Night's side?

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<v Speaker 4>Hey getting me? Then thanks for having me. So I

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<v Speaker 4>has to say stands for the International Sanitation Supply Association.

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<v Speaker 4>So we are the world's largest association when it comes

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<v Speaker 4>to janitorial and healthkeeping.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well that's great. So you are an expert

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<v Speaker 2>here and you folks, I guess have figured out the

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<v Speaker 2>germiest places that people will encounter while they're traveling. And

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<v Speaker 2>they're not the places that most of us might think of.

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<v Speaker 2>The places that are the germyst give us a let's

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<v Speaker 2>walk through them, because some of them have surprised me,

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<v Speaker 2>really surprised me.

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<v Speaker 4>Go right ahead, so I can give you four of each. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>if we're talking about the airport in transit would whether

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<v Speaker 4>it be planes, trains or buses. And at the hotel, sure,

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<v Speaker 4>so the first one would be the security events, right,

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<v Speaker 4>So or we all put our personal belongings before we

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<v Speaker 4>pass through those metal detectors. So those bens, thousands of tens,

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<v Speaker 4>that's those bins daily and the studies have shown that

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<v Speaker 4>they carry more viruses than airport toilets. And we have

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<v Speaker 4>rarely going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you want to headset by the way or no?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I'm on my phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, good, okay, because I want to make sure I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not talking all of you. I didn't understand when you

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<v Speaker 2>say security events, you're talking about the we call t

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<v Speaker 2>SA and you put your bag on the uh.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly, those those gray bins.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh, the gray bins. Oh the grape that you

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<v Speaker 2>put your bag in and then it moves through. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>why why are they so good?

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<v Speaker 4>Before going in? Of hands touched those daily and they

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<v Speaker 4>never clean them.

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<v Speaker 3>They never cleaned them. Oh my, very rare.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's that's one I would not have thought of.

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<v Speaker 2>Good one, God, what can you do? We're gloves or

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<v Speaker 2>or what's.

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<v Speaker 4>Wash your hands after manipulating them?

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<v Speaker 3>Good? Good point, good point. Okay, So that's one.

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<v Speaker 4>What else we got We got the touch screens so

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<v Speaker 4>check in kiosks and gates, So again, rarely disinfected and

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<v Speaker 4>yet heavily used by travelers.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, good point.

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<v Speaker 4>Airports, seating armors, the cloth seats, the obviously limited cleaning

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<v Speaker 4>and perfect spotf for terms to thrive. And then the

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<v Speaker 4>fourth one at the airport would be the water fountain.

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<v Speaker 4>So everyone touches them, but very few people clean them.

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<v Speaker 4>And obviously they're obviously in damp environments, which is great

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<v Speaker 2>Where the troops are having a ball at the airport.

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<v Speaker 2>What about on planes itself? What about they don't clean

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<v Speaker 2>the seats on planes? The plane lands, people get off,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody wants to get on and.

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<v Speaker 3>As quickly as possible. What about planes?

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<v Speaker 4>So that's a great point, right, So obviously we've been

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<v Speaker 4>to the airport before and we see that you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we're waiting for our plane. Our plane arrives at the gate.

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<v Speaker 4>You know there there's fifteen minutes interval for those that

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<v Speaker 4>you know that incoming flight to disembark, and then fifteen

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<v Speaker 4>minutes for us to embark. And we know that they're

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<v Speaker 4>not doing a great job cleaning their planes, and that

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<v Speaker 4>fifteen minutes. So we have the trade tables. So one

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<v Speaker 4>of the dirtiest surfaces on the plane obviously used for

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<v Speaker 4>eating resting heads. You know, changing diapers. Oh so not

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<v Speaker 4>that the cleanest placed on a plane. Yeah, absolutely, I've

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<v Speaker 4>seen it all. Seat belt seat belts are very very

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<v Speaker 4>clean between flights. Yeah, overhead air vents and the light

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<v Speaker 4>buttons right, what we call for the stewards, that button

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<v Speaker 4>that we're pressing, not great, not cleaned very often. And

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<v Speaker 4>then bathroom handles right, the door handles, the flush buttons

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<v Speaker 4>highly touched, poor event poorly ventilated and often clean quickly

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<v Speaker 4>between uses.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know all of these things, if you think

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<v Speaker 2>about them, they're they're exactly what we should think about.

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<v Speaker 2>But I got to be honest with you. All the

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<v Speaker 2>flights have taken I've never brought with me. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I want to bring hand sanitizers with me, or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>some clean wipes.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm serious.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to sound crazy, But so you've got

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<v Speaker 2>a few other places also, elevator buttons, elevator buttons so.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so at the hotel, absolutely, elevator mountains, the TV

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<v Speaker 4>remote control right, rarely sanitized, but every guest touches them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>light switches, high contact services that can harbor bacterial for days.

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<v Speaker 4>Everyone's touching those bedspreads and decorative pillows. I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>if you guys have seen, but Vegas right now is

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<v Speaker 4>going through a pandemic with bed bugs. So bedspread fits

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<v Speaker 4>right into their washed fairly frequently than sheets and pillowcases.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy, I'll tell you this is something I had never

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<v Speaker 2>thought of, and it's going to change my attitude towards traveling.

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<v Speaker 2>As a matter fait, I'm probably not gonna want to

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Traveling has become very much less fun than it used

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<v Speaker 2>to be. I mean, now the gates are always a

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<v Speaker 2>half a mile away. It's not that I'm getting any younger,

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<v Speaker 2>but the people, the crowds, everybody gets up, the travelers. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>when the plane pulls into the gate, everybody jumps up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like nobody's gonna move for ten minutes. They won't

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<v Speaker 2>even open the door, but everybody's standing there. They're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to pull their over bags down. They're bopping their neighbors

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<v Speaker 2>with their bags. I mean, it's have you noticed howl

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<v Speaker 2>ear travel has become bus travel?

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<v Speaker 3>That's my thought. Are you are you with me on

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<v Speaker 3>that or no?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? So I obviously for my job, I travel a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>And the thing that I hate the most is actually

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<v Speaker 4>I think people have lost their common sense and it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's become a jungle out there.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you do, Derek? You must have some tricks?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you do? You bring wipes with you, handy wipes

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<v Speaker 3>or something. What do you do?

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<v Speaker 4>So, so here's my travel tip, right, so Kerry, disinfectant

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<v Speaker 4>wipes or hand sanitizer, minimum sixty percent alcohol and wash

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<v Speaker 4>you wash your hands frequently, especially before eating or touching

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<v Speaker 4>your face.

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<v Speaker 3>Big go.

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<v Speaker 2>If we had the discipline to follow those rules, your suggestions,

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<v Speaker 2>not rules, we would probably be more healthy at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of our trips because we don't think about this.

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<v Speaker 2>We really don't think about this. So Vegas now has

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<v Speaker 2>bed bugs?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, so it's it's it's it's common knowledge. I've

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<v Speaker 4>read a lot of articles in the last couple of

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<v Speaker 4>days that a lot of major hotel chains are suffering

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the Chamber of Commerce must love that, huh. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it makes sense. It makes all the sense in

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<v Speaker 2>the world. It makes all the sense in the world

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<v Speaker 2>when you think about it. Wow, Derek, this this was

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<v Speaker 2>great your organization. If folks would like to get in touch.

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<v Speaker 2>You know folks who will come on the show generally

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<v Speaker 2>they're plug in a book or they're plugging an organization.

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<v Speaker 2>Who would be in my audience who could avail themselves

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<v Speaker 2>of the services of ISSA.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, anyone that has any commercial real estate, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>residential cleaning, you know common spaces, real estate managers, anyone

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<v Speaker 4>that's looking to improve, you know, the sanitation of their buildings.

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<v Speaker 4>They can reach out to us ISSA dot com. You'd

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<v Speaker 4>be more than happy to help.

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<v Speaker 3>And you're everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>We're broadcasting probably right now in about thirty five states,

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<v Speaker 2>just with terrestrial over the air radio. Is there a

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<v Speaker 2>specific part of the country where you have a greater

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<v Speaker 2>footprint or are you equally everywhere in all forty eight states?

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<v Speaker 2>Be fifty states.

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<v Speaker 4>We are a global organization. We are worldwide. We have

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<v Speaker 4>offices in Asia, we have offices in Europe, America, Canada.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yep, that's great.

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<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to make sure, and we have people

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<v Speaker 2>listening to our show, by the way, all over the

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<v Speaker 2>world on the internet, so maybe we'll generate some business

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<v Speaker 2>for you. You certainly know what you do, and I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>you taking the time to talk with us.

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<v Speaker 3>Tonight, particularly in Friday Night.

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<v Speaker 2>Derek OLIVERA he's a global consultant for Isaissa dot Com.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate it, Derek, Thank.

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<v Speaker 4>You much, my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, talk to you again. We get back on to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about a bit of a dust up in Worcester.

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<v Speaker 2>The Worcester Zoning Board has rejected the construction of a

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<v Speaker 2>seventy five foot digital billboard that neighbors opposed. So they

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<v Speaker 2>say you can't fight city hall. Well, this group of

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<v Speaker 2>to city Hall and they won. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>with Afton Pratt. She's the municipal government reporter for the

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<v Speaker 2>Worcester Telegram and Gazette, a great newspaper. Will be back

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<v Speaker 7>It's Night Side with Boston's news radio Porright.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back with us is Afton Pratt works as a

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<v Speaker 2>municipal government reporter for Worcester City for Worcester Telegram and Gazette.

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<v Speaker 2>After I assume that means you're a city hall reporter,

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<v Speaker 2>right Dan.

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<v Speaker 8>I mostly cover city council and other city hall matters,

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<v Speaker 8>So yeah, that's what I'm doing for the Telegram. Right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it sounds fancy when it's municipal government reporter, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking of the old city hall reporter. That's the Beat. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're gonna talk about a Worcester zone. How long

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<v Speaker 8>Uh, today marks three weeks actually, so pretty new to

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<v Speaker 8>the Beat and the Telegram.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome three weeks and you're already on night side in

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<v Speaker 3>This is great. Where where did you work before Worster?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure if I could ask?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I actually just graduated from grad school. I just

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<v Speaker 8>Tennessee for the past five years, but I'm from Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 8>So it's great to be back in a great tee,

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<v Speaker 8>back in an area I love so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's great. So I'm always curious how people get

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<v Speaker 2>into business. Will pardon me for asking, but would you

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<v Speaker 8>I got it from the University of Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're a volunteer, right, well they called the vaults.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, I am a huge Tennessee volunteer fan for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Peyton Manning's neck of the woods right, Yes, saw

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on campus a few times walking to.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so tell us about this. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>it was going to basically be seventy feet high so

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<v Speaker 2>it could be seen by people with it on two

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<v Speaker 8>Park it was on to ninety I believe it was. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>it was being placed right along a neighborhood that ran

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<v Speaker 8>alongside the highway, which is why there was such an

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<v Speaker 8>outcry from residents about it. You know, didn't want to

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<v Speaker 8>have to see the digital billboard from their windows when

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<v Speaker 8>they're trying to sleep at night.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's that is a big story for that neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 3>The neighborhood in question that doesn't have it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know sometimes there's like little sub sections of communities.

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<v Speaker 2>It's part of Worcester. But was there a neighborhood name associated.

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<v Speaker 3>With it or no?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, what I went out. They also they're in the

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<v Speaker 8>Indian Lake community and lived alongside the lake. A lot

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<v Speaker 8>of them had property on the lake, which was another

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<v Speaker 8>huge issue. Was you know, wanting to be out on

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<v Speaker 8>that they could see, and you know, they didn't want

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<v Speaker 8>that in their neighborhood. Didn't want to see it when

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<v Speaker 8>they were trying to just enjoy a day out on

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<v Speaker 2>Now, sometimes these things happen all of a sudden, quietly,

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<v Speaker 2>and people wake up one day and realize, what's this.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone must have figured out there was something coming into

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<v Speaker 2>the neighborhood. What's the backstory if you can share that

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I heard about it from a Facebook post actually

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<v Speaker 8>made by a member of the community. So I went

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<v Speaker 8>out there and talked to him and he put me

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<v Speaker 8>in touch with some other people and who were featured

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<v Speaker 8>in the article as well, But they said the same

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<v Speaker 8>thing that they only had heard about it about a

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<v Speaker 8>week prior to when the zoning Board of Appeals was

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<v Speaker 8>having their meeting to decide whether to put it up.

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<v Speaker 8>So it was a pretty quick turnaround time. It was

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<v Speaker 8>not advertised well, a lot of people in the neighborhood

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<v Speaker 8>didn't know about it, and then a few community members

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<v Speaker 8>went out and spoke to people on the street and

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<v Speaker 8>let them know what was happening. And you know, that's

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<v Speaker 8>when people started getting upset about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've never heard of this outdoor advertising companies called

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<v Speaker 2>Ken Joe K. Does that have a footprint in the

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<v Speaker 2>central Massachusetts area. Is that a fairly big outdoor advertising company.

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<v Speaker 8>No, this would have been their first billboard in Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 8>at all. I believe they were operating in other states.

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<v Speaker 8>They're an established company, but they don't have any billboards

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<v Speaker 8>or any property in Massachusetts. It would have been their

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<v Speaker 3>Wow. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So these residents were able to take the fight to

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<v Speaker 2>city hall. Does this look as if it's over or

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<v Speaker 2>is Ken Joe threatening to try to go into court

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<v Speaker 2>and overturn the ruling from the zoning board since the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the story essentially is what I'm asking here.

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<v Speaker 8>From what I saw from Kenjo at the meeting, I'm

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<v Speaker 8>not sure if they'll appeal it. The zoning board gave

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<v Speaker 8>them the option to withdraw the permit before they took

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<v Speaker 8>a formal vote, and they chose not to, and then

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<v Speaker 8>the zoning board took the formal vote. Everybody voted, know,

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<v Speaker 8>so it's possible that they could go back and try

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<v Speaker 8>to have it overturned, but I'm not sure currently if

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<v Speaker 8>that will be what they end up doing, or if

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<v Speaker 8>this is a done deal for them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they could have withdrawn.

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<v Speaker 2>It without prejudice, which would have given an automatic chance

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<v Speaker 2>to go back.

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<v Speaker 3>I assume that that was the incentive.

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<v Speaker 2>That might have been offered. Does the zoning board feel

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<v Speaker 2>that this particular area is a residential area and a

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<v Speaker 2>will withstand, you know again.

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<v Speaker 3>Review judicial review.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the.

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<v Speaker 8>Outdoor advertising company, when they were talking to the zoning board,

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<v Speaker 8>they said one of the reasons they wanted to put

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<v Speaker 8>that billboard there was because Wooster has pretty strict zoning

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<v Speaker 8>laws on where billboards can and cannot go, and this

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<v Speaker 8>was essentially one of the only areas in the city

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<v Speaker 8>where it would have been allowed. But yeah, the zoning

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<v Speaker 8>board and residents felt adamant that this shouldn't be the

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<v Speaker 8>zoning laws in this area shouldn't allow for that, and

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<v Speaker 8>the chairman of the zoning board, you know, let people

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<v Speaker 8>know that this is something that could possibly changed if

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<v Speaker 8>it goes through city council and everything, But right now,

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<v Speaker 8>the zoning laws do allow for billboards to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>So did the zoning or rather, did the billboard company

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<v Speaker 2>go to residence and offer any mitigation.

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<v Speaker 3>To them or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Was there any hey, if you do this, we'll make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that the streets are plowed properly. Or was it

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<v Speaker 2>just simply let's give it our best shot and see

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<v Speaker 8>I didn't hear anything along those lines. I believe they

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<v Speaker 8>been spoken to. It was new news to them. They

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<v Speaker 8>hadn't been reached out to by the advertising company. So

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<v Speaker 8>from what I gather, they hadn't really done anything in

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<v Speaker 8>the neighborhood to try to get people on board with this.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know the answer to this, but I assumed

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<v Speaker 2>that they would have been obligated to have given notice

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<v Speaker 2>to at least the abutters, to the to the area

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<v Speaker 2>that they were going to erect this billboard. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you just kind of go in and not tell people

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on. You have to give them some notice

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<v Speaker 2>and have to hopefully publicize it a little bit ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of time. But it sounds to me like the homeowners

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<v Speaker 2>have won, and hey, I wouldn't want it in my backyard.

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly don't understand why anyone would want it in

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<v Speaker 2>their backyard either. So uh, welcome to, welcome to, Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>home to Massachusetts often, and hopefully we'll get a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to do some more of these stories, because these are

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<v Speaker 2>the best stories. They're they're they're close. I've done these

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<v Speaker 2>stories as a TV reporter many years ago, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>they're close to poll It's it's it's just it's that

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<v Speaker 2>you really can get it as a reporter, really get

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<v Speaker 2>the story behind the story, and that's what makes us

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<v Speaker 3>So thanks very much for this story. I enjoyed talking

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<v Speaker 8>Of course, and thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>You're welcome. You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get back, we're going to talk about restaurants,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically noisy restaurants. We'll explain right after the news at

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom of the air. I'm about a minute or

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<v Speaker 2>so late, but we'll get We'll can't kill it up,

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<v Speaker 2>I promise. We have two more guests, and then we

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<v Speaker 7>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Madison.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about restaurants and the clamor that

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<v Speaker 2>apparently now is in too many restaurants in America. With

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<v Speaker 2>us is Chris Burdick. Chris has written a book called Clamor,

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<v Speaker 2>How Noise took Over the World and How We Can

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<v Speaker 2>Take It Back. He's a science journalist, former staff editor

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<v Speaker 2>at The Atlantic and Mother Jones.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris, Welcome to Night Side.

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<v Speaker 6>How are you, sir, I'm great, Dan, Thanks for having

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<v Speaker 3>You're very welcome. When did this book come out? Is

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<v Speaker 3>Good. That's great. Well, it doesn't matter to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Some I don't care if a book is five years

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<v Speaker 2>old or five weeks old. I think it's important, and

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<v Speaker 2>particularly when it's new. And frankly, I sometimes a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the questions I ask during these interviews, As you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with the book is How Noise took Over the World

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<v Speaker 2>and How we Can Take it Back. But it looks

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<v Speaker 2>to me like the piece we're doing here is an

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<v Speaker 2>me we're kind of drilling down here. If we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to focus on restaurants, tell us about it.

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<v Speaker 6>Sure, well, you know, the book is focusing on how

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<v Speaker 6>of that. One is just more and more people. It's

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<v Speaker 6>just math, you know, more people were living closer together,

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<v Speaker 6>using more and more noise, producing stuff, more roads, more airplanes.

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<v Speaker 6>But we've compounded that by what I call sonic shortsightedness.

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<v Speaker 6>And that's where things like restaurant noise come into play.

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<v Speaker 6>Where we've made choices when we design our buildings and

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<v Speaker 6>when we plan our restaurants, when we build our cities

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<v Speaker 6>that have just been not aware about the noise that

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<v Speaker 6>we're going to create. So with restaurants, this was in

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<v Speaker 6>the nineties a decision or a number of decisions to

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<v Speaker 6>follow a trend to take all the upholstery out, to

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<v Speaker 6>take all the sound absorbing carpeting and drapes. Everything is

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<v Speaker 6>a hard surface, so that makes the sound just bounce

429
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<v Speaker 6>around endlessly. And then another decision was to bring the

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<v Speaker 6>kitchens out from behind the walls and put them in

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<v Speaker 6>the middle of everybody. And then another one was to

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<v Speaker 6>increase the energy by cranking up the the music.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, you were you're absolutely right, But wasn't that

434
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<v Speaker 2>just those were the trends of the day. I mean,

435
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<v Speaker 2>I knew that. I knew a restaurant where all of

436
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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, there was like an open pit in the

437
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<v Speaker 2>middle of the restaurant and you looked at it, and

438
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<v Speaker 2>when you went there the first time, you thought, wow,

439
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<v Speaker 2>that's pretty cool. It's interesting. You watch the chefs, you

440
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<v Speaker 2>see them cook all of that. But the other thing is, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I can remember my favorite restaurants from like the seventies,

442
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<v Speaker 2>when I was just coming of age and I had

443
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<v Speaker 2>enough money that I could actually go to a nice

444
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<v Speaker 2>restaurant or take someone to a nice restaurant, and you'd

445
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<v Speaker 2>have carpeting and they'd be drapes, and you just felt

446
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<v Speaker 2>it almost felt like home. And then all of a sudden,

447
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<v Speaker 2>like in the nineties, it seemed all of those great

448
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<v Speaker 2>restaurants disappeared, and we ended up with a lot of

449
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<v Speaker 2>restaurants that have good food. Don't get me wrong, but

450
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<v Speaker 2>you know again, you're right, it's all plastic. Tables are

451
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<v Speaker 2>on linoleum floors, and whenever someone moved the chair, you

452
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<v Speaker 2>could hear the squeak of the chair and the ceilings.

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<v Speaker 2>You're yeah, but I just viewed it, and I watched it,

454
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<v Speaker 2>but I just thought, well, this was the new trend,

455
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<v Speaker 2>and whoever was all change for the sake of change?

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<v Speaker 3>Unless if I'm totally wrong, please tell.

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<v Speaker 6>Me no, you're right. I mean, it was the trend,

458
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<v Speaker 6>and you know, it was just a matter of when

459
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<v Speaker 6>people were doing this, they didn't have the wherewithal or

460
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<v Speaker 6>the thought to It's easy to understand kind of the

461
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<v Speaker 6>drama of having the kitchen in the middle of the place.

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<v Speaker 6>That's cool. To have the look of a you know,

463
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<v Speaker 6>fifteen foot window with you know, the exposed ceiling. All

464
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<v Speaker 6>of that is kind of intuitive. You can draw that

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<v Speaker 6>out an artistic architectural rendering that makes intuitive sense. But

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<v Speaker 6>to kind of understand what that's going to sound like

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<v Speaker 6>when you have five hundred people in there eating and

468
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<v Speaker 6>you've you've cranked up that music that everybody loves, and

469
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<v Speaker 6>then what happens is called the Lombard effect, which is

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<v Speaker 6>kind of this automatic thing that we do when things

471
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<v Speaker 6>get loud, we start raising our voice to get over that,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, and then that just that adds to allowed.

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<v Speaker 2>Me, well, everybody, Yeah, if you're at a Celtics basketball

474
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<v Speaker 2>game or a Bruins hockey game. It's not a library,

475
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<v Speaker 2>and you you're sitting next to somebody and talking about

476
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<v Speaker 2>it and wats that play over there. Everybody's raising their voices, so,

477
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<v Speaker 2>you know, But you go to a restaurant not because

478
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<v Speaker 2>you want to be in a hockey game or a

479
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<v Speaker 2>basketball game or a baseball game. You go because you

480
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<v Speaker 2>want to be able to talk to the other person

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<v Speaker 2>across the table or on you know, if you've got

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<v Speaker 2>four people at a table, that there can be a

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<v Speaker 2>conversation that everyone can hear, and if they if you

484
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<v Speaker 2>do have music or whatever, I find for example, Uh,

485
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<v Speaker 2>the worst places that I go to a gym and

486
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<v Speaker 2>the music that that is picked, there's no there's no

487
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<v Speaker 2>music as far as I'm concerned, other than disco that

488
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<v Speaker 2>everybody's gonna like. But I'm told, young people, don't, you know,

489
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<v Speaker 2>give me Donna summers all day long, you know. And

490
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<v Speaker 2>but but someone else is going to want to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>want other other type music.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's always loud. It's always loud.

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<v Speaker 2>So I got my earplugs and I'm trying to watch

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<v Speaker 2>TV and listen to TV and all, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know, all all of that.

496
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<v Speaker 3>But restaurants, do you think at some point.

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<v Speaker 2>Some restaurants. There's a restaurant outside of you. You you're

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<v Speaker 2>not from our area, correct, Chris, where are you located?

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<v Speaker 6>No, I'm from Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm local.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, okay, so let.

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<v Speaker 2>Me mention it Ken Steakhouse on Route nine in framing him.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, that hasn't changed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a great restaurant. Uh, it hasn't changed. Uh

504
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<v Speaker 2>in a long time. The men used the same I

505
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<v Speaker 2>remember the great restaurants in Boston from the seventies, the

506
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<v Speaker 2>eighties and the nineties, Anthony's and Jimmy's down in the waterfront. Now,

507
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<v Speaker 2>obviously they change the seaport and and and the value

508
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<v Speaker 2>of the land. The land became more valuable than the restaurant.

509
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<v Speaker 2>But there were great restaurants that just disappear. And sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>my feeling is, why is it that always it seems

511
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<v Speaker 2>to be the best restaurants are the ones that disappear first.

512
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<v Speaker 2>The lousy restaurants that are rip offs for some reason,

513
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<v Speaker 2>they stay in business.

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<v Speaker 3>It's one of my pet peeves. Have you noticed that

515
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<v Speaker 3>or or am I just cranky?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know. Yeah, you know, it's a it's a

517
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<v Speaker 6>tough business, and I think a lot of them. Uh,

518
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<v Speaker 6>you know, it's hard for anybody to hold on in

519
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<v Speaker 6>that in that in that business. So I don't know,

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<v Speaker 6>I haven't noticed that particular trend.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it seems to me that the restaurants that I

522
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<v Speaker 2>like the best are the ones that go out of business.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh And and generally, what I'm looking for is exactly

524
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<v Speaker 2>what you're talking about. A place where you can go

525
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<v Speaker 2>and there's enough space between the tables. You pay maybe

526
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<v Speaker 2>a little extra, but there's enough space. They're not cramming

527
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<v Speaker 2>you in so that every time you move your chair

528
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<v Speaker 2>you're bumping into the person at the next table, who.

529
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<v Speaker 3>You have no idea who they are. That's another thing.

530
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<v Speaker 2>They crowd more people into the room, which has to

531
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<v Speaker 2>contribute to the noise level as well.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it sure does, because then you're getting the cross talk,

533
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<v Speaker 6>and that's one of the hardest thing. It's not just

534
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<v Speaker 6>the decibel level, it's also the number of voices that

535
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<v Speaker 6>you're trying to contend with because your brain has to

536
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<v Speaker 6>sit through that to kind of focus on the voice

537
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<v Speaker 6>that you want to hear. So that is an extra challenge.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The corollary of that is you're on the airplane, and

540
00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:38.640
<v Speaker 2>the plane has yet to take off. And the guy

541
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<v Speaker 2>who's sitting next to you across the aisle, he has

542
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<v Speaker 2>to have his he has to make his final phone call.

543
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<v Speaker 2>He context or anything like that, but he has to

544
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<v Speaker 2>make his final phone call, and he has to impress

545
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<v Speaker 2>upon as many people as he can.

546
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<v Speaker 3>This is a big deal.

547
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<v Speaker 1>Now, you know, I want to get this thing done

548
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<v Speaker 1>before six o'clock tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>So I want you, guys by tomline Land, where are

550
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<v Speaker 3>we going? Oh yeah, in Toronto, that this thing better

551
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<v Speaker 3>be on my jest. You understand what I'm saying.

552
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<v Speaker 2>And you realize that the guy's probably not talking to anybody,

553
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:13.039
<v Speaker 2>He's just making making himself themselves sounds important. And I

554
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:17.960
<v Speaker 2>look at those guys and like, really really anyway, But

555
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:21.079
<v Speaker 2>that that that comes down to the ignorance quot that

556
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:25.079
<v Speaker 2>I think more and more people are allowing to invade

557
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<v Speaker 2>their their their their personal space. Chris, let's hope for

558
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<v Speaker 2>better and more quiet uh and and just better restaurants,

559
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:38.039
<v Speaker 2>better dining experiences, and yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>From from your lips to God's ears.

561
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<v Speaker 2>Then all right, now, look, let's let's plug the book again.

562
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<v Speaker 2>Clamor How Noise took over the World and how we

563
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<v Speaker 2>can take it back. That's available. I assume Amazon, do

564
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<v Speaker 2>you have a website people can go to Chris, let's

565
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<v Speaker 2>sell some books here, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, sure, it is available anywhere books are sold.

567
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<v Speaker 6>But a one stop shop if you want to have

568
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<v Speaker 6>your pick is at www dot Chris Burdick dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>And Burdick is b E R D I K.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, as I tell everyone that www thing,

571
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<v Speaker 2>that's so nineties. We don't need that anymore. Just Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Berdick dot com. Keep it simple, okay, Chris, I enjoyed

573
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<v Speaker 2>the conversation. You're you're selling, you're selling. We'd get along. Thanks, Thanks,

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<v Speaker 2>my friend. We'll talk soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, thank Manright, good night, we get back.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to have a special extended summer traffic report

577
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<v Speaker 2>for all of you. I know many of you out

578
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:32.640
<v Speaker 2>right now are heading to the Cape. We're going to

579
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<v Speaker 2>talk about next hour. There's an interesting piece in the

580
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<v Speaker 2>Globe today written by a guy named Billy Baker who's

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<v Speaker 2>on the Globe staff. The headline is Cape cod Worth

582
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<v Speaker 2>the miserable traffic. You bet it is, Billy. We'll we'll

583
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<v Speaker 2>talk about that and we'll get a traffic update from

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most aptly named traffic reporters in the

585
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<v Speaker 2>history of traffic reporting. Zach Transport coming up, and then

586
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<v Speaker 2>later on tonight we'll talk about the Supreme Court decians

587
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<v Speaker 2>and at eleven tonight, I'm looking for some positive stories

588
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<v Speaker 2>at that's our twentieth hour. I want to know something

589
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:12.160
<v Speaker 2>that might have happened to you this week where someone

590
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<v Speaker 2>helped you. I have a story to tell where a

591
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:18.799
<v Speaker 2>guy helped me last Sunday night. I'll explain that some

592
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:20.480
<v Speaker 2>of you have heard it already, but it was an

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<v Speaker 2>extraordinary It was almost as if my guardian angel was

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<v Speaker 2>on my shoulder that night. And I'm sure you've had

595
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:28.960
<v Speaker 2>some similar experiences. So we're gonna have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>fun right now between now and midnight. Stick with us.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside. Rob Brooks is here.

598
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<v Speaker 2>When you call, the first person you talk to is

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<v Speaker 2>Rob Brooks. Second person tonight you'll be talking to is me.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we have no guests lined up tonight, it's you,

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<v Speaker 2>me and Rob Brooks and tens of thousands of people

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<v Speaker 2>listening to us. Don't be intimidating back on Nightside after this.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're on night Side with Dan Ray, I'm w BZ,

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<v Speaker 1>Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get right to I guess the aptly

606
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<v Speaker 2>named Zach Transport, WBC traffic reporter. Zach, When did you

607
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<v Speaker 2>change your last name to Transport?

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, Dan, how you doing? No, I'm good, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, my last name has always been Transport. Surprisingly,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, with my family name, we've had it. I

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<v Speaker 5>believe I was told by my family. We've had it

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<v Speaker 5>since they came over on Ellis Islands, so we've had

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<v Speaker 5>it forever. And it was that before we came over

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<v Speaker 5>there too, so there was no changeover as well. So

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<v Speaker 5>that is the original name. I am Zach Transport. I

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<v Speaker 5>am a traffic reporter and that's what I do every

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<v Speaker 5>single day, and I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard that you changed your last name to Transport

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<v Speaker 2>and your last name was Storo drive.

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<v Speaker 5>That I think that might be an ugly rumor. Dan, absolutely, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So let's let's take a quick look at

622
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<v Speaker 2>how we're doing tonight. This is Friday night. Yeah, ten

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<v Speaker 2>minutes of nine people are on the pike heading west

624
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<v Speaker 2>to the Berkshires. Theeople are heading north to New Hampshire,

625
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<v Speaker 2>Vermont and Maine. They're heading south to New York Walk

626
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:05.319
<v Speaker 2>to uh and of course to the Cape. Yes, how's

627
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<v Speaker 2>it look out there right now?

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<v Speaker 3>It's a nice night.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, it is a pretty nice night out there.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, it's really not too bad getting out to

631
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<v Speaker 5>the Berkshires, which you know, I do love the berk

632
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<v Speaker 5>Shares out there. It's really sweet out there, a very

633
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:20.440
<v Speaker 5>beautiful area. Especially you have tangle wood, all sorts of

634
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<v Speaker 5>great stuff out there. You know, it's it's pretty good

635
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<v Speaker 5>right now getting down to the Cape too. But you know,

636
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<v Speaker 5>I do have a couple of things to talk about

637
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:31.519
<v Speaker 5>with the Cape. You know, everybody knows the Sagamore and

638
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:33.839
<v Speaker 5>the Born bridges are always rough to get over, you know,

639
00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:36.519
<v Speaker 5>getting over those bridges. But right now it does look

640
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:38.799
<v Speaker 5>pretty good. But the thing about the Born and the

641
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:42.079
<v Speaker 5>and the the Sagamore Bridge, we did have a thing

642
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:44.720
<v Speaker 5>many years ago. Now, the Sagamore got that update with

643
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:47.359
<v Speaker 5>the flyover that was supposed to cut down the trip

644
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:49.160
<v Speaker 5>over the Sagamore Bridge, and I think it's done a

645
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:49.799
<v Speaker 5>pretty good job.

646
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<v Speaker 2>Dan Uh, Okay, you know I go to the Cape.

647
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:56.400
<v Speaker 2>I go to the Cape pretty often. As a matter

648
00:32:56.440 --> 00:32:59.880
<v Speaker 2>of fact, next hour I'm gonna talk about is it

649
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:03.039
<v Speaker 2>interesting piece in the Globe today, since you're a traffic guy. Yeah,

650
00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:05.640
<v Speaker 2>it was written by a fellow I don't know him,

651
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:07.799
<v Speaker 2>and we invited him to join us as schedule would

652
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:11.240
<v Speaker 2>and permitted. Billy Baker, who's on the Globe staff is

653
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Cape cod Worth. The miserable traffic and the subheadline was

654
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:19.279
<v Speaker 2>even after four sublime days in Chatham and on Nantucket.

655
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:22.759
<v Speaker 3>Chatham and Nantucket. I mean, that's not bad.

656
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:26.720
<v Speaker 2>A Globe writer isn't all that sure, So we'll have

657
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:27.519
<v Speaker 2>some we'll have.

658
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:30.079
<v Speaker 5>Some fun with that, absolutely, that's sure.

659
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:33.359
<v Speaker 2>And of course there will be some repairs done on

660
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.720
<v Speaker 2>both the Born and the Sagamore.

661
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:38.839
<v Speaker 5>That's exactly right. There's a couple of projects coming up

662
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:42.039
<v Speaker 5>to do some major repairs on the Bourn Bridge and

663
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:44.680
<v Speaker 5>the Sagamore Bridge, and they're going to do replacements pretty much,

664
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:47.039
<v Speaker 5>I think, building right next to those bridges so that

665
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:49.160
<v Speaker 5>folks will be able to get over the bridges and

666
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:51.960
<v Speaker 5>onto the cape, so that they can still experience the

667
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:55.039
<v Speaker 5>beautiful beaches while not being disrupted there. I mean, you

668
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:57.880
<v Speaker 5>will get that disruption of course with the traffic, you know,

669
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.880
<v Speaker 5>with these repairs and stuff with the construction. But you know,

670
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:04.200
<v Speaker 5>right now we are seeing too, you know, I think

671
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:06.559
<v Speaker 5>the patterns have changed a little bit as well, at

672
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:09.000
<v Speaker 5>least done from what I've been told, because of people

673
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:12.000
<v Speaker 5>working remotely as well. So we're seeing people. The busiest

674
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:15.159
<v Speaker 5>days of being Thursday actually with folks getting down there,

675
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.840
<v Speaker 5>and then Fridays too, you know, we have our the

676
00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:21.719
<v Speaker 5>late mornings early afternoons are very busy with folks you know,

677
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.239
<v Speaker 5>getting there. And then something too is is Saturdays. You

678
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:26.559
<v Speaker 5>know a lot of time that's the changeovers for for

679
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:30.159
<v Speaker 5>rentals that people have on Cape, so people have that

680
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.760
<v Speaker 5>that to count for as well. So best thing really

681
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:35.119
<v Speaker 5>to do actually is flip on BZ and we'll have

682
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:36.880
<v Speaker 5>a traffic report for you every ten minutes and then

683
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:38.320
<v Speaker 5>we'll be able to get you where you need to

684
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:40.639
<v Speaker 5>go getting on and off Cape and also getting out

685
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:43.360
<v Speaker 5>and around the rest of great New England states, you know,

686
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:45.400
<v Speaker 5>like New England, New Hampshire. Like you said, we have

687
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:49.400
<v Speaker 5>folks getting up there, and some great beaches out there too,

688
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.599
<v Speaker 5>and some beaches out in Rhode Island too as folks

689
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.119
<v Speaker 5>head down. So yeah, we will be here to help

690
00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:56.519
<v Speaker 5>you out get get where you need to go.

691
00:34:56.920 --> 00:35:00.199
<v Speaker 2>And notice, by the way, folks how Zach slipped that

692
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:03.519
<v Speaker 2>promo in there. I mean, that was very professionally done, Zeal.

693
00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:07.519
<v Speaker 2>Thank you very professionally. I think call one thing you said,

694
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<v Speaker 2>I just want to make sure I understand that.

695
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:12.760
<v Speaker 3>Sure. So when they do the replacements for.

696
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.840
<v Speaker 2>The Sagamore and the Bourne, Yes, they're going to actually

697
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:20.480
<v Speaker 2>build new bridges and then eventually take down the old bridges.

698
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:21.280
<v Speaker 3>Is that the plan.

699
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.679
<v Speaker 2>It's not like they're going to turn uh, you know,

700
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:27.519
<v Speaker 2>the the current bridges, just repair the current bridges and

701
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:30.639
<v Speaker 2>maybe for a while have only one lane of traffic

702
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:32.920
<v Speaker 2>going in each direction, and there's two lanes of traffic

703
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:36.719
<v Speaker 2>in each direction. Now they're actually going to build separate

704
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:38.360
<v Speaker 2>bridges over a period of time.

705
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:40.840
<v Speaker 5>I think they were doing something similar to what was

706
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:43.480
<v Speaker 5>done in New York with the with the Cuomo Bridge

707
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:45.440
<v Speaker 5>when they redid that where they built it old tap

708
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:47.719
<v Speaker 5>and z Yes, were they built right next to the

709
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:48.519
<v Speaker 5>bridge exactly?

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00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Wow, Okay, well that'll be good because the only problem

711
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:56.320
<v Speaker 2>there will be all the people who will will slow down.

712
00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:59.239
<v Speaker 2>It's like the problem when when there's an automobile accident.

713
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:01.719
<v Speaker 2>I love it that, you know, the people slow down.

714
00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:05.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, the car look at that. Mabel, look

715
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:08.400
<v Speaker 3>at the car. There's a boys car there. Slow down.

716
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:10.480
<v Speaker 3>I know it's on the other side, but they got

717
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:14.679
<v Speaker 3>the blue lights on. Whoa look at Oh that was horrible.

718
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:17.840
<v Speaker 2>And people are behind them honked and get going you know, yeah,

719
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:20.039
<v Speaker 2>you know they'll be going over the bridges.

720
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:22.599
<v Speaker 3>Let me see. Let me slow down here and see how.

721
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:24.920
<v Speaker 5>Much Yeah, let me see how much progress it has

722
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:26.719
<v Speaker 5>been done. Let me see what they've been doing about.

723
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:29.920
<v Speaker 3>And Mabel, can you take a couple of pictures out

724
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:30.440
<v Speaker 3>the window.

725
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:32.519
<v Speaker 2>I know you don't know how to work the cell phone,

726
00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:34.280
<v Speaker 2>but just give it a shot.

727
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:37.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, you drop the cell phone up? We got.

728
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:43.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, exactly exactly. You know, it's just it's just amazing.

729
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:49.199
<v Speaker 2>So so the commute, uh tomorrow morning, yes, Saturday morning,

730
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:51.280
<v Speaker 2>is that gonna be the tough commute?

731
00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:55.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Saturday morning is always bad because that's when, like

732
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:57.599
<v Speaker 5>I said, those rental health companies do the changeover for

733
00:36:57.679 --> 00:36:59.519
<v Speaker 5>checking and check out. But you also have people who,

734
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:01.360
<v Speaker 5>you know, they wait till the last min They're like,

735
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:03.039
<v Speaker 5>I don't know, do I want to pack the car?

736
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:04.400
<v Speaker 5>Do I put the chairs?

737
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:05.199
<v Speaker 3>And we do?

738
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:09.360
<v Speaker 5>We have enough time for one more beach Session's right, yeah.

739
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:13.320
<v Speaker 5>And then also people coming you know, down if they're

740
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.840
<v Speaker 5>if they're going for a long trip, you know, and

741
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:17.960
<v Speaker 5>they're coming let's say they're coming in from from Natick

742
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:19.760
<v Speaker 5>or something I don't know, coming in, you know, they

743
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:21.960
<v Speaker 5>want to go in. There's always trouble at the brain

744
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:24.760
<v Speaker 5>Tree split. Right, there's traffic down there by that lane

745
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:28.239
<v Speaker 5>drop in in Weymouth there because people at Derby Stream.

746
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.880
<v Speaker 5>No one knows how to efficiently merge in there. So

747
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:34.880
<v Speaker 5>there's always these like trouble spots that you look for.

748
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:36.920
<v Speaker 5>You look on you know, ninety five as you get

749
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:38.880
<v Speaker 5>down there's a couple of different ways that folks can

750
00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:41.679
<v Speaker 5>get down there coming in from from Western mass you know,

751
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:44.000
<v Speaker 5>and there's signs all over the place. Again, like I said,

752
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.960
<v Speaker 5>BEZ will help you out, but a couple of those

753
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:49.239
<v Speaker 5>trouble spots to really look out for the brain Tree Split.

754
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:53.159
<v Speaker 5>And then again basically if you're I don't know, like

755
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:56.440
<v Speaker 5>if you're if you have if you're having trouble about

756
00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:57.920
<v Speaker 5>where you want to decide where you want to go,

757
00:37:57.920 --> 00:37:59.800
<v Speaker 5>and you're coming in from four ninety five, you have

758
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:02.480
<v Speaker 5>a quick second to make a decision at forty four

759
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:04.400
<v Speaker 5>if you want to take the sagamore or if you

760
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:06.079
<v Speaker 5>want to take the born, and so if you stay

761
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:08.480
<v Speaker 5>on forty four, you'll be able to take the sagamore

762
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:10.960
<v Speaker 5>and avoid the born rotary, which I would always do.

763
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:14.360
<v Speaker 5>I like avoiding the rotary because I don't know rotaries.

764
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.719
<v Speaker 5>I don't know. It gets me because you get in there,

765
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:19.360
<v Speaker 5>you're like, oh is it my turn? I don't know.

766
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:21.639
<v Speaker 5>You think it's return And then there's someone who comes

767
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:22.480
<v Speaker 5>in at the last set.

768
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:25.679
<v Speaker 3>So the key, the key to are you from New England?

769
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:27.480
<v Speaker 5>Originally I am not from New England.

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00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:28.519
<v Speaker 3>Okay, here's the key, Zach.

771
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:30.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tell you right now as you go

772
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:33.039
<v Speaker 2>into the rotary. The worst thing you can do is

773
00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:35.960
<v Speaker 2>slow down. The second worst thing you can do is

774
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:40.519
<v Speaker 2>look to your left, because once they lock eyes on you,

775
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:44.159
<v Speaker 2>just go full speed ahead. Doesn't matter. They'll get out

776
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:48.119
<v Speaker 2>of you. It works every time. I'm only joking. I'm

777
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:51.480
<v Speaker 2>only joking. You have to be very careful, absolutely very.

778
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.920
<v Speaker 5>Very careful, very very careful, and always follow the signs.

779
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Hey, Zach, I appreciate it very very much. Thank you

780
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.599
<v Speaker 2>so much for joining us, and we'll talk again.

781
00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:03.400
<v Speaker 5>You're luck absolutely, thanks so much.

782
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:03.639
<v Speaker 3>Dan.

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00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:06.320
<v Speaker 2>All Right, when we get back, we're going to carry

784
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:11.519
<v Speaker 2>the whole topic of the Cape traffic. Bill Baker Billy

785
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Baker in the Boston Globe Today wrote a piece, is

786
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Cape card worth the miserable traffic? I'll explain the piece.

787
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I disagree, mister Baker. I really do wish we could

788
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:22.679
<v Speaker 2>have had you on tonight, but I want to hear

789
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:24.559
<v Speaker 2>from you, particularly if you're in the car and if

790
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:25.639
<v Speaker 2>you're heading to the Cape.

791
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:27.679
<v Speaker 3>Of course, the Cape is worth it.

792
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:30.119
<v Speaker 2>And I will make the argument and win the argument

793
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.039
<v Speaker 2>because no one else is going to argue against me

794
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:33.880
<v Speaker 2>on this one. We're coming back right after the nine

795
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<v Speaker 2>o'clock news