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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences.

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Speaker 2: Listener, discretion is advised.

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Speaker 3: No one.

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Speaker 4: In your release from all the hard things I had

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to do and how pointlessly hard I made my life?

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Speaker 5: Do you feel a release?

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Speaker 4: No, I feel like I made the one mistake they

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can't forget me.

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Speaker 6: For Welcome to the premier source of murder in your household,

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Sword and Scale. This is season twelve, episode to ninety something.

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Speaker 5: Of You Know the Things.

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Speaker 6: Same What shapes of person in America? The answer is

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probably door dash and Chick fil A, judging by our

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healthcare costs. But I'm talking psychologically here. We've often talked

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about nature versus nurture. Is a person's brain predisposition since

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birth due to inherited traits, or is it slowly formed

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by experiences? Over time, We've come to learn that, like

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so many other things in life, the answer is not

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black and white. It's nuanced psychological disorders aside, and by

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the way, we all have them. The fact of the

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matter is that you are in the drive, and until

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you relinquish control and let the crazy take over, which

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by the way, is a choice, you are responsible for

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your actions. Despite what's happened to you in the past,

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and despite what society tells you. These days, we are

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the only ones behind the wheel of our own destiny.

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Those are just the facts. The sooner we figure out

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that no one is coming to save us, the better.

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And while some strive to do their best to steer

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through life responsibly, others can be careless, holding little to

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no value for human existence, including their own. It's Thursday,

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March twentieth, twenty seventeen, at the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office

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in Tampa, Florida. The fluorescent light flickers in the stark

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interrogation room, casting shadows three empty chairs awkwardly positioned inside

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the eight x ten space. At ten twenty four pm,

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eighteen year old Joshua Carmona is seen on surveillance casually

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entering the room. Joshua is still in his street clothes

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and isn't handcuffed, a surprising detail considering the purpose of

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his visit with investigators.

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Speaker 7: Just so you know, man, this room is audio and

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video recording, Just so you know, I'm going to turn

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this on just the backup, and the reason why we

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do that this is so I can't put any words

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in your mouth.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 6: Joshua looks up to notice the CCTV camera pointed directly

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at him, but is unbothered, well aware that everything he

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says can and will be used against him. By now,

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the two detectives have scooted their chairs just inches from his.

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They're positioned in a perfect triangle, and for the first

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time ever, Joshua is given the undivided attention he's always wanted.

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While sitting at an uncomfortably close distance, authorities read him

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his Miranda rights. Then they moved to establish the suspects

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level of competency before diving into the interview.

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Speaker 5: What was high level education?

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Speaker 8: Completed?

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Speaker 5: High school? High school? Okay? What how'd you doing Jefferson? Jefferson, okay,

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how would your grades? Three point fives? It's pretty good.

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I heard he went to was Fidam University. It's pretty

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good school. It was very school. Yeah. Did you like

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it up there in New York? I'd find yeah. I

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wouldn't say I like it now.

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Speaker 7: I'm originally from New yorkan they so you know, I'm

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kind of familiar with the area of New York.

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Speaker 5: Scream. I just did a lot of bad things.

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Speaker 6: The female detective on Joshua's left is holding a red folder.

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In it are prime scene photos, witness statements, and evidence.

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Flocks Her partner then leans in as he continues to

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gauge where Joshua's head is at this very moment.

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Speaker 5: Do you take any medications rating? No, sir?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 5: Okay? Do you take get drugs? Yes? What weed? That's

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not so bad? I made it.

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Speaker 4: I mean it, it was pretty bad.

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Speaker 5: It was pretty bad. Like the paranoia. Are you do vice?

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I think so? Do you think so? I think swows

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so much? Okay, when was the last time you did that? Today? Today?

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Was on me? Four or five? Four or five? How

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you feeling right now? I'm still coming down, still coming down.

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Do you know where? Do you know where you are

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right now? I'm yeah, I know all right. I mean

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the text office in the shriff's office. Okay.

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Speaker 6: Investigators are in a tricky spot after Joshua tells them

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he's currently high on spice, a synthetic compound known to

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cause delusions and even mania. Still, he agrees to continue

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with the interview. With his shoulders stiff and eyes on

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the floor, Joshua swallows a mouth full of spit and

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prepares to reveal details of a crime so vile that

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even the two season detectives in front of them will shudder.

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Teria Lua di Angelo, more affectionately known as Tera, was

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born in Tampa, Florida, on March twentieth, nineteen seventy eight.

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Her best friend, Renee Roberts, remembers the time they met

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almost like it was yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I met her in high school andrew were in Jrotc together.

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I think I was fifteen when she was fourteen. I

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was older. So I graduated first and then she graduated

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like the following year, and that's how I met her

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and we became friends that way.

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Speaker 6: After high school, the two friends lost touch but reconnected

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a few years later. When Tarah became pregnant with her

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first born, Joshua. Tarah asked Renee if she would be

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the boy's godmother, and she couldn't have been more thrilled.

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Speaker 1: She had asked me to be his godmother before she

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even gave birth to him. And then once you know,

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she got word that she was going to have him,

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you know, I went to the hospital. You know, I

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went up there and I was in the delivery room

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whenever he was born. That was my godson, you know,

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and I loved him to death. I got pictures of

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me with her and Joshua when he was like two

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years old, you know, so I have a lot of pictures.

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Speaker 6: So Unfortunately, Tara struggled as a young mother. She was

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only twenty years old at the time. And to make

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matters worst, Joshua's father wasn't in the picture from the start. Luckily,

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Sarah had some good people in her life, her friend

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Renee being one of them.

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Speaker 1: He was a good baby. He was a good baby,

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you know, he didn't cry much. I watched him during

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the day for her to work, you know, because at

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the time I wasn't working because my cousin was taking

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good care of me, I didn't have to work, so

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you know, I just took care of Joshua. I cheated

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him as if he was my own child, you know.

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Speaker 6: Despite the help from friends and family, Tarah ultimately made

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the difficult decision to award custody of Joshua to his

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uncle when he was five years old, shortly after he

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entered elementary school. Joshua's uncle had troubles of his own

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and relinquished his responsibilities to the boy's grandmother, with whom

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he became very close. While Tara's exact issues are unknown,

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she ended up moving out west to get her life together.

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According to Joshua, aside from the occasional visit to his

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grandmother's during the holidays, he rarely saw his mother growing up.

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Speaker 2: Oh I think about now as well as a kid,

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and she would visit for letaors and then she was

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a leave and I just remember me crying myself to

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sleep because that was really sad.

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Speaker 6: Despite his biological parents not being around, Joshua flip flops

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during his interview, admitting that things actually weren't that bad

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for him as a kid.

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Speaker 4: I had a great childhood. I was a great kid.

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I was trying to make an excuse, and I like,

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I was broken, Okay, I screwed something. I made theirst okay.

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Speaker 6: But not long before he started dabbling in illicit drugs,

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Joshua felt his grandmother was the only adult figure in

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his life that he could count on. Unfortunately, all that

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changed in two thousand and nine, when Joshua claimed things

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started to fall apart when he was in sixth grade.

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His mother returned to the East Coast, which was around

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the same time that Joshua's grandmother passed away. After that,

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he had no choice but to move back in with

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his mother, who had already established her own life with

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her new boyfriend, whom she eventually married. Trying to make

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up for lost time, Tara worked long hours to afford

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toys and video games for Joshua. She took him on

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road trips to Cooperstown to visit the Baseball Hall of Fame,

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and bought tickets for them to see his favorite team,

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the Yankees, whenever they played the Rays at Tropicana Field.

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Despite these gestures, friends and relatives noticed Joshua struggling with

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his new family dynamic, now living with his once estranged

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mother and the new man in her life.

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Speaker 1: I used to say, Joshua, you know, I'm your godmother,

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and he would just ignore me and go in the

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other room, you know that. I'm like, well, would he

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ignore me? But you know when I asked her, She's like,

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you know, he don't really like talking to people. He

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really didn't like talking to people, so he would just

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never say nothing mite to me. He was not a

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people first.

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Speaker 6: Then, with each passing day, Joshua started to feel more

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like an outsider. Tensions only grew when a stepsister was

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born A few years later, as all the attention was

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now directed towards her. After that, Joshua rarely spoke with

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his parents unless he wanted something.

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Speaker 1: I know, if he got older, you know, she'd call

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me because she was upset, you know, with them, you know,

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like he did something. You know, maybe he you know,

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because he would always ask her for money and stuff,

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and you know, there just comes a point, you know,

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where you can't give your last dollar every time, you know,

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and so she would do everything she could for him,

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you know, but it's almost like if she couldn't do something,

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or she couldn't buy him the best of this or

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the best of that, then you know, he would get

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he would get kind of angry, you know.

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Speaker 6: When he was a teenager, Joshua did start to show

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some signs of progress. He attended Jefferson High School in Tampa,

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excelled academically, and became a talented athlete, playing for his

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varsity baseball team. His mother, Tara, was often seen in

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the stands cheering him on. For the first time, it

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seemed like Joshua had found purpose in life. Baseball provided

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him with a sense of confidence and self worth. Now

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with a goal to work toward His mother also noticed

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improvements in his attitude. He spoke regularly about his dreams

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of playing professional baseball one day. As a result of

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a respectable GPA and accomplishments on the field, Joshua even

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earned himself a most Likely to Succeed superlative in his

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high school yearbook. Things were looking up.

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Speaker 8: He wasn't kind of to himself. He was everyone here

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who was really really smart. He was very outgoing senior year.

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He went to a lot of party year.

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Speaker 6: During his senior year, he even took the stage at

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the school's talent show to express appreciation for his mother.

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Of all people, Yeah, it.

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Speaker 8: Wasn't anything bad. It wasn't him saying how he's working

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so hard you know for her, like just through everything.

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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Speaker 8: It was a really movie speech.

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Speaker 1: Was like that that factor Like it wasn't got everyone

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crying all the girls like it was.

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Speaker 8: A really nice see too, that.

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Speaker 3: Mom was in the crowd.

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Speaker 6: She got up well. Things seemed to be going well

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for him as he approached graduation. Joshua apparently didn't mean

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a word he said during that speech. Frustrations about his

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home life had silently gotten worse as he internalized an

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overwhelming sense of rejection. At his senior prom, Joshua's date

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and class valedictorian showed up to the dance alone. According

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to friends, Joshua was back at his hotel room, passed

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out drunk after pregaming a little too hard. He showed

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up to the dance hammered. Long after it ended. After

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high school, he was back to feeling bad for himself.

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He slowly started to withdraw from his fan again, but

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also the majority of his friends. Those who knew him

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describe Joshua as distant during this time, someone who carried

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a strong sense of bitterness everywhere he went. As a result,

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the emotionally inept teenager started smoking marijuana regularly, using weed

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as his main escape. Sound familiar.

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Speaker 4: We didn't talk at all, and when I turned to drugs,

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we we started talking about nothing.

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Speaker 5: Never never see each other.

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Speaker 6: Another positive shift came a short time later, when Joshua

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was accepted to Fordham University, a promising school in New

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York City's most bustling borough of Manhattan. To his benefit,

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this was a great accomplishment. After all, Fordham University isn't

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just some run of the mill community college. It's a

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private institution that came with a pretty heft de tuition

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cost around sixty grand a year, not to mention, the

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Fordham University Rams had a pretty decent baseball team as

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part of the NCAA's Division I program. From his mother's perspective,

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college was sure to be an exciting turning point in

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Joshua's life, a change for the better. But boy was

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she wrong. This is sword and scale, after all. You

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didn't forget that, right, you see. Almost as soon as

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he enthusiastically tossed his bat and glove on the bunk

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of his freshman dorms, Joshua's weed smoking started soaring to

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great heights no pun intended, to put it bluntly, Also,

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no pun intended. Joshua just loved getting high. I mean,

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who doesn't. Getting high is awesome, It rocks. But if

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you're a kid and you start doing it every day,

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well that's going to be bad. You see, Joshua loved

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getting high more than he loved hitting home runs. It

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wasn't long after entering college that Joshua expanded his horizons

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and his deteriorating mind by experimenting with substances much stronger

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than good old fashioned Mary Jane. I mean, they call

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it a gateway drug for a reason. Rather than focusing

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on his grades and dreams of one day making it

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to the big leagues, he spent most of his time

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partying booze, MDMA, cocaine, spice, you name it. If it

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was available, then Joshua was all in. By his own admission,

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the drug spice in particular made him extremely paranoid, which

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was just one of the many factors that contributed to

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his poor attendance record from there on out. To make

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a long story short, Joshua blew it. He flunked out

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of school. He packed up his bat and glove, and

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was forced to hop on a plane back to the

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one place he hated the most, his mother's house down

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in Tampa. Unfortunately for his mom and stepdad, it wasn't

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long after he returned that Joshua started acting up again.

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As a result, his mother kicked him out for a

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period after tiring of his constant clouds of weed smoke

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filling up her home. For several weeks, Joshua couch hopped

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between the apartments of friends, the few he had left.

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Speaker 5: That is.

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Speaker 6: It was during this time that Joshua managed to make

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his way back north to Pennsylvania. According to court documents,

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that's when he allegedly assaulted a woman before stealing her

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car and driving to a remote overpass. It didn't take

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long for police to track down the stolen vehicle. When

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they arrived on scene, officers found a despondent Joshua behind

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the wheel. When police asked what he was doing dangerously

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parked on the side of a bridge, he told them

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he planned to take his own life that day by

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jumping to the freeway below. Fortunately for Joshua and perhaps

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no one else, the cops stopped them just in time.

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Speaker 4: I tried to end my life because I still couldn't

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get over that me as a kid, and I was

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still blaming and.

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Speaker 5: Hating the world.

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Speaker 6: Due to concerns for his mental health, Joshua was never

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charged for the assault or theft. Instead, authorities notified as mother,

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at which time she welcomed him back into her home

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and arranged for him to meet with a therapist.

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Speaker 4: I was talking to a therapist, but I was kind

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of holding back from him too, Okay, I knew.

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Speaker 5: I knew all the time I came back.

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Speaker 4: I came back from Pennsylvania December, and they made me

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start talking about and I knew that whole time that

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I didn't want to go back and face what I did.

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I just wanted to quit hip him up, but I

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didn't tell him that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 6: Holding it, although Joshua couldn't see it. His mother did

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the best she could to navigate the situation, all while

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trying to support the family from her job as a

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pharmacy tech and a Walmart in Tampa.

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Speaker 1: With her job too, you know, her job. When they

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needed her to go work at another's door, she would

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to work at another store, you know, over time, no questions.

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You know, she would always work it. She would never

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let anybody down. You know, if she knew you needed something,

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she was there.

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Speaker 6: Despite her hard work, Joshua couldn't get past his feelings

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of resentment towards his mother, and the self loathing teen

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only harbored more and more negativity. As time went on,

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the college dropout and ex athlete started blaming everyone but

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himself for his missteps in life. Pouting alone in his

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childhood bedroom, feeling sorry for himself, you know, like a loser.

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Joshua fell back into his old bad habits because they

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were easy, easier than real life. He attempted to find

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and resolve these problems in his life through resin hits

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and swigs of hard alcohol. Meanwhile, Joshua's family felt just

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as hopeless. He refused to open up to anyone, including

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his therapist, and his loved ones were at a loss. Then,

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in February of twenty seventeen, Joshua hit rock bottom when

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he was pulled over for drunk driving in Georgia. He

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was ultimately arrested and charged with a DUI, which can

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be a real wake up call, believe you me. In

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his mind, this was the last straw. For the next

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several weeks, he struggled to maintain the appearance of a

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man holding it together. He started to let the mask

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slip a bit. In reality, he was quietly unraveling, and

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his hatred towards the world would soon manifest into several

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downward swings of pure violence.

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Speaker 4: The thing that don't come out of this was just

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a release from what I did to my life. Besides

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all the problems like the legal issues. Sure, I made

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myself really shit for no reason until I wanted to

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release from all the hard things I had to do

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and how pointlessly hard I made my life.

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Speaker 5: Do you feel a release. No, I feel like I

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tried to do it was a good attention from my hand.

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Speaker 4: I threw everything away and it doesn't make a damn

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bit of sense. I tried to end something that had

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nothing to do with me. I made the one mistake

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they can't or get me.

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Speaker 6: Before, at just eighteen years old, Joshua Carmona was already

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at odds with the universe. A promising student with a

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passion for baseball, he once had a potentially bright future,

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but beneath the surface of his accomplishments, he was discontent

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with life. He was convinced it had dealt him a

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lousy hand, and he just couldn't let it go. On

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the afternoon of March twentieth, twenty seventeen, following a disturbing

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nine to one one call, Hillsborough County Deputies arrived at

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a townhouse on Hawthorne Place Drive in Riverview, Florida. Upon

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during the residents authorities grimaced at a scene so gruesome

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that some excuse themselves to go vomit outside. They tried

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to get a cop to vomit, but not impossible. While

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crime scene techts work to secure the home and gather evidence.

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A spokesperson for the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Department held a

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press conference at the scene.

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Speaker 10: Unfortunately, to find a female inside the residents who's deceased.

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We're currently in the process of making next to kin notification.

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Once we complete that, we release the victim's identity. We're

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also in the process of conducting a search warn and

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getting it signed by a judge for the residents here.

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We're currently interviewing neighbors family members to try to identify

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a cause for this crime. At this point, it's still

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very early and we're conducting a number of investigations.

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Speaker 8: At this time.

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Speaker 10: We don't feel that the neighbors in this area are

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in any danger and that was not random, but again,

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we're still working through the early phases of investigation. Right now,

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we're going to limit it to upper body trauma, so

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we're going to have to wait for the emmy to

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get inside to make an exact purbleach.

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Speaker 6: As neighbors flooded the sidewalks of this once unassuming street,

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they started to come up with theories of their own.

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One resident who lived across the street spoke with reporters

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about her encounter with the victim's family member moments after

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she made the gut runching discovery.

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Speaker 1: He was very nervous and he kind of collapsed on

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the ground.

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Speaker 6: The only information the public had been made aware of

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was that a woman was dead and that her killer

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was still at large. The victim's vehicle was missing from

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the home, and whoever committed the crime was believed to

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have fled in a white twenty sixteen Nissan Sentra.

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Speaker 5: I think that's crazy.

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Speaker 8: I never really expected to hear something like that in

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the Saborhood.

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Speaker 6: After interviewing various witnesses, several reported hearing shouting earlier that morning,

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but for whatever reason, no one called police. According to

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one witness, they'd seen a young male exiting the home

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a short time later, but they couldn't provide a physical description.

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Hours after night fell over, Tampa, Florida deputies eventually located

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the victim's Nissan Sentra traveling along Interstate two seventy five

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at around nine thirty pm. When they pulled the car over,

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they found eighteen year old Joshua Carmona behind the wheel.

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He was calm, cooperative and promptly taken into custody. As

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the patrol car made its way to the station, Joshua

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leaned forward while handcuffed in the back seat. In an

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emotionless tone. He told officers that if they treated him nicely,

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he'd tell them everything they needed to know.

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Speaker 10: You know, this is extremely tragic. A mother was killed

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on her birthday, and now we have a three year

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old that's going to be motherless. While he was in

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the car, he spontaneously did state that he killed his mother.

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Speaker 1: I was getting ready for work that night. It was

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like around ten o five. At ten o'clock, news came on,

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but my phone rang and it was one of our

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mutual friends and she said, Renee, have you talked to

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Tara today? I said, yes, I talked to her this morning.

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I said, I kept waiting for her to call me back,

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because you know, she said she would call me when

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she was done and we couldn't meet up. But since

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she never called me, I just stayed home. Why And

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she said, somebody with her name in Riverview was killed today.

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I was like what I said, No way, there's not

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another you know, to hear D'Angelo, I'm sure you know

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it can't be her. It can't be her. So I

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called her sister and she answered the phone, yes, Renee,

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it's true, Sarah's gone. And I'm like, well, wha, what

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what did you to say? She's like, Renee, She's gone.

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I'm like, no, she's not. Let me talk to her.

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You know, she get Renee. She's gone. I'm like, there's

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no way to her has gone, Like I just taught

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her this morning. There's no no, there's absolutely no way

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that she's gone.

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Speaker 6: After eighteen year old Joshua Carmona was escorted into a

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Hillsborough County interrogation room, he told investigators that on the

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morning of March twentieth, twenty seventeen, he woke up and

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chose violence today.

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Speaker 5: It will come, and I decided I've been thinking about this,

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like for a while.

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Speaker 8: When you say thinking about this, what do you mean by.

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Speaker 5: That, Oh, that's a good question. I've been thinking about

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harming my parents.

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Speaker 6: Joshua's stepdad had already left the room to drop his

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three year old daughter off at of daycare. As for

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his mother, she had plans of her own. It was

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her thirty ninth birthday. Just before ten am, Joshua's mother

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told him she'd be back soon after a hare and

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nail appointment she'd scheduled as a gift to herself. Shortly

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after she left the home, Tara received a call from

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her best friend, Renee.

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Speaker 1: I called her that morning, like a ten something in

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the morning. I called to tell her happy birthday and

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see what she was doing for the day because I

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wanted to spend some time with her for her birthday,

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because we always did that together on our birthdays. After

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what she was doing, and she told me she was

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going to the mall, and you know, she worked hard,

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so she deserved to go get her nails done and stuff.

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Speaker 6: Back at the townhouse, Joshua stewed in anger. He paced

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around while solidifying the next step of his evil plan.

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At one point, he ventured into the kitchen, grabbed all

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the small knives from the butcher block, and started hurling

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them at the wall, snapping several of the blades and

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the process. The only knife that remained was the largest,

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a butcher knife, which Joshua brought with him back to

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the living room and set aside for later. During that time,

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he sent a text to his mother asking her to

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return home with syrup. That's right, syrup. It's unclear why.

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I mean, it's a really weird request, right, It's not

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like bread or milk or butter or something like it's syrup. Regardless,

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the mirror suggestion of enjoying delicious, fluffy, tasty pancakes in

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conjunction with what Joshua planned to do next is quite disturbing,

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to say the least, certainly not something that you would

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consider rudy, two D, fresh and fruity. While his mother

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sat down in the salon chair across town, she responded

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to her son's text, agreeing to pick up the syrup

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that said the text message directly above it suggests what

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Joshua's home life was really like. The exchange later recovered

475
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:48,240
by investigators from his mother's phone occurred three days before

476
00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:51,839
Joshua's arrest and reads as follows.

477
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,079
Speaker 7: Our pharmacist and district manager just said they can cover

478
00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:56,920
me while I go with you to court next month.

479
00:29:57,079 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 8: I'll work on booking our flights this weekend.

480
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 6: Responded with the word okay to his mother's text, which

481
00:30:05,079 --> 00:30:07,400
was about helping him fight his dui case in the

482
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,119
coming weeks.

483
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 8: I know that there has been some recent history.

484
00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:14,119
Speaker 11: You've gotten in some trouble of north that kind of thing,

485
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,680
the thing, the thing in Georgia, right, has she been supportive.

486
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 8: Through this, has she okay? And she's tried to help

487
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,079
you kind of like overcome it.

488
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:29,279
Speaker 5: And well, they they gave me everything. They gave me home.

489
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 11: And Okay, when you say they gave you everything you needed,

490
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,680
what do you mean by that?

491
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 5: You said, trying to get me said.

492
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 8: So, she's really been trying to help you.

493
00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 5: She's done everything, Okay.

494
00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:47,559
Speaker 6: Despite recognizing the unconditional love his family had for him, Joshua,

495
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,200
being the piece of shit autistic zoomer that he is,

496
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:54,960
told investigators he had two options that morning, faced the

497
00:30:55,039 --> 00:31:00,240
legal consequences of his DUI or kill his parents. Guess

498
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,079
which one he chose.

499
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 4: What was going to happen was, I had to go

500
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:10,279
to my monthly parole for Georgia and go get an

501
00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:14,319
appointment with my doctor this week. And so I was

502
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:19,400
deciding between quitting and doing this or doing everything I

503
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:20,119
have to do.

504
00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 12: Okay, and getting ready to go through obervation.

505
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 5: In April and talk to my therapist.

506
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 11: Okay, So you feel like you're deciding between I tried.

507
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:35,759
Speaker 5: To make it a choice between those two.

508
00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 8: So those who felt like a kind of your two choices, like.

509
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 4: I made it in my mind. I was like, today

510
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,359
we're going to decide because I was pinning.

511
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 5: Them against each other.

512
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 6: Mm hmm, right makes sense, doesn't it. Regardless of how

513
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,400
Joshua came to this rationalization, his mind was made up

514
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,960
not long after his mother left the house. You remember

515
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:03,720
his baseball bat, the same bat he dreamt of hitting

516
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:08,119
home runs at college with but became a complete failure

517
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,759
before he had a chance. Enraged at the thought of

518
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:16,119
what his life could have been, Joshua grabbed the aluminum

519
00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:20,720
bat and took one hard swing at the staircase banister,

520
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:25,559
snapping the wooden railing in the process. He then did

521
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:27,599
the same thing to one of the kitchen chairs.

522
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,039
Speaker 5: That broken chair.

523
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:33,559
Speaker 4: And I was hitting the staircase with the bat and

524
00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:35,599
just using the bat.

525
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 5: I was talking about, okay, and.

526
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:41,119
Speaker 8: You're kind of demonstrating like this or are you right handed?

527
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 5: Okay?

528
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 8: So you were holding the bat this way, with the

529
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:44,599
way you're showing off.

530
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 6: Okay, after throwing a hissy fit, That's what it was,

531
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:52,359
a hissy fit. Joshua ruminated in his thoughts for the

532
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:57,240
next two hours, lost in his loser hood. I wonder

533
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:00,160
what subreddits he browsed while he was doing that. At

534
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,279
one point during his police interview, detectives asked Joshua if

535
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:06,279
he was under the influence of drugs or alcohol that morning.

536
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,079
After he said he wasn't. Authorities asked if he'd ever

537
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,559
suffered from auditory hallucinations. Here's what he had to say

538
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:15,039
about that.

539
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:17,839
Speaker 8: I want to ask you kind of a weird question.

540
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 11: Do you do you ever hear voices that you feel

541
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,039
like you're hearing that other people around you don't?

542
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:25,319
Speaker 5: Here? Yes, you do.

543
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 8: Have you ever talked to your therapist or anybody about that?

544
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,279
Speaker 13: He he knows that he thinks it's from the weed,

545
00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:38,480
Like he said, when I started doing it, that's one

546
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:39,200
I would be seen.

547
00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:42,359
Speaker 5: I don't want to hear other.

548
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 8: People don't when you do when you smoke weed?

549
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 5: Okay?

550
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:48,039
Speaker 8: Is it only when you smoke weed though, when you're high?

551
00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:53,119
Speaker 4: I wouldn't even when I'm high, like I am. I

552
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:59,480
have seen things in public that I knew I shouldn't believe.

553
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:03,599
Speaker 5: But that makes me think there's a lot of things

554
00:34:03,599 --> 00:34:06,319
I've seen that I wasn't sure about. What do you

555
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:09,599
mean by that? Like, sometimes.

556
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 14: I'm hallucinating and I hear the brain you say something

557
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:19,599
or people say something that they shouldn't be able to know,

558
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,119
and so I know when I'm on the drug, I hallucinate,

559
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,599
but I don't know about.

560
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 11: Well, so how do you know that you're hallucinating, because

561
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,320
at least someone that doesn't even realize they're hallucinating, right,

562
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,000
So how are you aware of the fact that you're hallucify?

563
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 5: Because there was like a small view that I can

564
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,920
burn Like, So have you ever like like when this

565
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,639
is happening, have you ever said, hey, do you get

566
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:45,440
that to somebody? Like all the time?

567
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 4: And I've seen like water on my fence. I see

568
00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:51,440
it and I touch it and it's dry. That's what

569
00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:53,719
I would notice. One I drinking sometimes.

570
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,639
Speaker 11: Okay, so when you're drinking, do you see that when

571
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:57,719
you're smoking marijuana?

572
00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 8: How about when you're smoking spice?

573
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 7: I don't do you know the difference between marijuana spices.

574
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 5: I don't know. That's why I was smoking it up.

575
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,599
Speaker 11: Okay, See, you're not sure if it's marijuana or a

576
00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:11,599
spicy you're smoking.

577
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 5: Did you do you usually try to like smell it tested?

578
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 7: My dad like to say, because marijuana has a distinct

579
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:20,440
odor to it and spice has.

580
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,119
Speaker 5: A distinct odor to it. I just don't know. You

581
00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:26,039
don't know, Okay, And if you don't know if that's

582
00:35:26,119 --> 00:35:28,039
either way of what I have is in what car?

583
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 6: The man made chemical known as K two, is designed

584
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:39,199
to mimic the effects of THHC, but is much stronger. Regardless,

585
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,239
there's a reason this stuff has since been outlawed in

586
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,400
virtually all fifty states. As for Joshua, it may have

587
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,880
worked as a truth serum of sorts during his interrogation.

588
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,119
Luckily for investigators, he was kind of an open book.

589
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: When she came home, I sniped up on her and

590
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,000
I used a bad what did you What did you

591
00:36:01,039 --> 00:36:05,000
do with the bat?

592
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,679
Speaker 5: I didn't what she saw.

593
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 6: When his mother finally returned home around noon, Joshua greeted

594
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,880
her in the doorway and directed her attention to the

595
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:19,199
staircase banister he destroyed with the baseball bat.

596
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:22,079
Speaker 12: I should I have told her to go look at

597
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:26,920
something I was staying in the kitchen. I just told

598
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,280
her look over there, and she came behind her When

599
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,480
she came around the cabin to look at it, because

600
00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:33,400
I told her.

601
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,159
Speaker 6: With her back turned to him. Joshua picks up the bat,

602
00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:41,320
holds it over his head, and swings it.

603
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 5: She's hit her. Would you have her in the head?

604
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:47,639
She felled out.

605
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:51,639
Speaker 6: Following the initial blow to the back of his mother's head,

606
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,039
she stumbled into the kitchen table.

607
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,039
Speaker 5: She fell on the table.

608
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,079
Speaker 11: Okay, And do you remember that happening and breaking the

609
00:36:59,119 --> 00:36:59,960
table or something?

610
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 5: She just went against it and the table because of that.

611
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:07,519
Speaker 8: Okay? Are we in the living room or the kitchen

612
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:08,280
or something else?

613
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,599
Speaker 5: This is the kitchen. It opens up into the living room,

614
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:12,760
the dining.

615
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 15: Area, and so the table you're talking about is in

616
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,079
the room, the dining area.

617
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 5: Okay.

618
00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 6: While Tara was still conscious, she threw her hands up

619
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,559
in self defense. Lying helplessly on her back on the

620
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:32,000
kitchen floor, she begged her son to stop, but Joshua

621
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:38,639
showed no remorse, no emotion, and continued to bludgeon his

622
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:48,920
mother's skull. Why are kids like this nowadays? Violent? Entitled automatons?

623
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:51,159
Speaker 7: And when she's on the ground, what are you doing?

624
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:55,039
How do you doing? Just over your head? Did you

625
00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:56,079
how many times you think.

626
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,159
Speaker 12: You here while she was on the ground, Probably five

627
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,239
or six at least at least it's going to be

628
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,760
more than ten, No, so less.

629
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 5: Than ten, between five and ten, yeah, okay.

630
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,639
Speaker 12: But she wasn't and so I just kept hitting her

631
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:20,719
until she until she stopped, okay, Peter, so she could

632
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,360
agreethe because her face willed up, and so it was

633
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,679
just mumbled, it's creamy.

634
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,679
Speaker 5: And I was just trying to hit her until that stopped.

635
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 6: As a result of severe blood force trauma, his mother

636
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:39,000
murmured and groaned on the floor, but that didn't stop

637
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:43,719
Joshua from there. He continued with the assault, eerily, offering

638
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,280
his mother the following comforting words and the process.

639
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,119
Speaker 5: Did you say anything during it? What did you say

640
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:55,400
that to? Didn't be? Okay? Okay?

641
00:38:56,119 --> 00:39:01,159
Speaker 12: She was trying to push it be up and told her,

642
00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:07,599
I said, just stop stop fighting, just let go.

643
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 8: Was she fighting? What do you mean let go? Was

644
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,679
she holding on to you throat?

645
00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 15: So she's fighting and she was trying to get away

646
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:17,760
from me.

647
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,159
Speaker 5: Was she on the ground at this point?

648
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 12: And then told her I said just let go, as

649
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,360
she wouldn't, and so I got up and just as.

650
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 5: Fast I hit her dead in that face she was

651
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,000
on the ground. I see these little like almost like

652
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:37,920
a little nick marks. But what are these from? That's

653
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,440
just blood plates? Okay.

654
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,519
Speaker 6: Once she finally stopped moving, Joshua walked the short distance

655
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,800
to his mother's bedroom, and retrieved a bed sheet and

656
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,400
comfort her before returning to the kitchen.

657
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,079
Speaker 5: I rolled her onto sheets and just tracked it, and

658
00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:58,880
then I moved the body in the bedroom.

659
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,039
Speaker 6: According to Joshua, he wasn't sure if his mother was

660
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:06,440
still alive, but to be sure, he produced the large

661
00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:08,559
knife he'd set aside earlier that day.

662
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 8: So what kind of knife it was?

663
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 5: It? It was just it was the racknes you.

664
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 8: Have, like a block or something on the counter. Which

665
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,039
one was? It was okay?

666
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,079
Speaker 6: With a butcher knife in hand, Joshua re entered the

667
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:31,239
bathroom and started defiling his mother's body even further.

668
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,599
Speaker 4: It was right after her to just let out blood, okay,

669
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:37,719
in case because I wouldn't wake up.

670
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:41,199
Speaker 15: Let me understand that you said to let out blood

671
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:42,320
so she wouldn't wake up.

672
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:43,679
Speaker 8: Is that right?

673
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,519
Speaker 5: Because she was just locked out.

674
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 8: Okay from the back. She was just knocked out. So

675
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:48,440
you don't think she.

676
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 5: Was dead at that point? I wasn't sure, okay, you

677
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:55,199
trying to put her on our misery?

678
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,639
Speaker 8: Yeah, So where did you use the knife to.

679
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 5: Let the blood out? On the back?

680
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 8: Okay? Can you kind of show me where on her neck?

681
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,440
Right in the back? Okay?

682
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 7: Did you come around to the front. How did you

683
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:10,719
do it?

684
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,159
Speaker 5: Wait out there right now so I can't. I'm sorry,

685
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,840
it's just foggy.

686
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:27,159
Speaker 6: Later, though his memory is foggy, Joshua pressed his knees

687
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:31,599
into his mother's spine before slitting the back of her throat.

688
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,920
Pools of blood quickly formed beneath the toilet and a

689
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,440
nearby trash can. But what he fails to mention during

690
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,960
this interview is how he grabbed his mother's hair, lifted

691
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,920
her face off the bathroom tile, and proceeded to slit

692
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,719
her throat again, this time dragging the blade so deep

693
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,880
across the front of her neck that the two wounds

694
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:02,199
nearly intersected, decapitating her. Putting her out of her misery

695
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,320
is a gross mischaracterization of what happened here, as Tara

696
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:12,119
di'angelo's head was nearly completely severed. Once the victim's son

697
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,559
was finally satisfied, Joshua proceeded to clean up the mess.

698
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:20,599
He made the only way he knew how lazily.

699
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 5: And then I turned on the van and just closed it.

700
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 4: And then I started pouring on baking soda on the

701
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,440
rug and trying to clean all the blood.

702
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 11: Is this something that you had excuse me like looking

703
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,360
at you before to try to figure out how to

704
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,320
get the blood cleaned up?

705
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 8: Or what made you think the grab baking soda?

706
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 5: It was under the counter okay. I think they use

707
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:45,800
it for spills on carpet. Okay.

708
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 4: And I just saw him there and I was going

709
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,800
to clean it to make it look better later.

710
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 8: Okay, you don't what you're describing.

711
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 15: There's probably gonna be a lot of blood involved, right,

712
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,320
but I don't see really any on you are the

713
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,800
clothes that you're wearing when this all happened today?

714
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 5: Okay?

715
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,079
Speaker 8: And where'd you put the clothes in your bedroom? Where

716
00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:11,159
is your bedroom out in the house upstairs?

717
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:12,039
Speaker 5: Okay?

718
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 8: So when you up the stairs.

719
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 11: Upstairs on the left, the room on the left like

720
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:17,400
the first room?

721
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 8: Or is there more than one?

722
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,039
Speaker 5: There's only one? Okay?

723
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 8: Where'd you put him in your room?

724
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,599
Speaker 6: In the closet after showering and changing out of his

725
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:28,000
bloody clothes, the clothes no doubt that his mother had

726
00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:32,320
washed for him, the eighteen year old killer brought both

727
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,199
murder weapons over to the kitchen sink and.

728
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 16: Then the knife. Where did you put the knife in

729
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:44,559
the sick in which stink right the right sink, kitchen,

730
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,639
the kitchen, sick in the kitchen? Did you clean the battle?

731
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,400
That's all when you're trying to clean up the house, I.

732
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,159
Speaker 5: Started to okay, so.

733
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 8: I just put it in like put it in the

734
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,199
secret wrints at all? Okay.

735
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,079
Speaker 6: Joshua then play the bat by the front door with

736
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:03,960
plans to use it a second time.

737
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 5: And then but then I slept it because I thought

738
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:09,960
I was going to get it again.

739
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 8: Kind your stepdad.

740
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 6: Besides, fortunately the killer stepdad was running behind schedule. In

741
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:22,920
fear that the police might show up, Joshua gathered his

742
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,920
mother's purse, cell phone, and keys before heading out the

743
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,360
door and jumping in her Nissan Sentra. From there, he

744
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:33,079
was en route to pick up his three year old

745
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,840
half sister from daycare. How responsible of him. On the way,

746
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,920
he texted his step grandfather from his mother's phone, posing

747
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,159
as the victim. He asked if he wouldn't mind watching

748
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:48,800
the three year old girl over the weekend. Joshua fabricated

749
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,079
a story when asked why, telling his grandfather that his

750
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:54,800
mother and stepdad were going away for a few days.

751
00:44:55,559 --> 00:45:00,079
The grandfather instantly became suspicious. Even through text, he could tell, well,

752
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,639
this wasn't Tara on the other end, partially because his

753
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:09,440
grandfather had never babysat child before and it was unlike

754
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:14,000
Tara to make such an impromptu request. Minutes later, Joshua

755
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:17,320
arrived at the daycare and picked up his stepsister at

756
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,039
around one thirty pm. The two then drove back to

757
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:23,719
the crime scene, where Joshua packed his sister a bag

758
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,960
of clothes. Roughly sixteen miles away, Renee and her two

759
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:31,199
year old daughter were getting ready to surprise Tara for

760
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,440
her birthday, but just as they were about to leave,

761
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:36,440
something told her not to go.

762
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, but you know, I said, let's

763
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,920
go ahead and go bye bye. So we go to

764
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,920
the door and it's literally like something stop me and said, Renee,

765
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,039
don't go over there. Wait for her to call you.

766
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:51,199
Because it was a ways away. It probably would have

767
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,400
took me an hour at least to get there from

768
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,800
where I lived at the time. But I was going

769
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,039
to just surprise her, you know, with some flowers and

770
00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:00,679
stuff at her house. But I didn't waited and I

771
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:01,760
never heard back from her.

772
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 6: Meanwhile, back in Riverview, Florida, Joshua texted his best friend

773
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,719
and told him to meet at a nearby park. When

774
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,320
they arrived, Joshua's sister ran to a nearby swing set

775
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,760
while she played blissfully unaware that her brother had just

776
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,760
killed their mother in cold blood. Joshua and his buddy

777
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,119
proceeded to toss around to baseball. While he tried to

778
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:26,599
play it off like everything was fine, Joshua's friend noticed

779
00:46:26,639 --> 00:46:31,119
that he seemed a little off almost right away. During

780
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:34,400
their game of catch, Joshua took multiple breaks and nervously

781
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,239
looked at his phone. According to his statements to police,

782
00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:42,599
Joshua was monitoring the ring camera footage back at his

783
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:47,480
mother's residence. That is until he saw his grandfather's car

784
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:48,800
pull into the driveway.

785
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,039
Speaker 5: And I knew he came to my house because I

786
00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:52,039
could see it on my phone.

787
00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 8: Oh you a cameras like you can put.

788
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:56,079
Speaker 5: Up on the half.

789
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, a security on that. And at that point was

790
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:01,400
why is that?

791
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 5: Because there was still some along the carpet.

792
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,079
Speaker 6: It wasn't long after Joshua's grandfather entered the home and

793
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:12,760
stumbled upon the grisly scene in the bathroom.

794
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:15,159
Speaker 5: I had backed the comforter.

795
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 8: I saw Terria buying on the on the ground I

796
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,519
saw a lot of blood.

797
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:26,679
Speaker 6: At the sight of his loved one's mutilated body. The

798
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:32,119
victim's father immediately notified police, walked outside, and fell to

799
00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:36,360
his knees on the front lawn. Meanwhile, back at the park,

800
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,000
Joshua frantically stuffed his phone back into his pocket and

801
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:43,239
told his buddy that he had to leave, but not

802
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,159
before asking him to watch his sister for a few days.

803
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,559
By now, his friend was about as confused as one

804
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:53,360
could be. He could see the panic in Joshua's face,

805
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,320
but he didn't understand why. When the friend asked why

806
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,679
he needed him to watch the three year old girl,

807
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:04,519
Joshua came right out with it and admitted to murdering

808
00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:06,760
his mother just hours earlier.

809
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 5: That's a long one.

810
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,639
Speaker 4: I couldn't tell him anything, and he was like stoppling

811
00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:14,079
like he was.

812
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 5: He was kind of joking with me, and I started

813
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,079
joking with him.

814
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, I said that I was like, I killed someone,

815
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,320
and I exact words that you said, I killed somebody. Yeah, okay,

816
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,199
like I was trying to that was really bad. I

817
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,360
was trying to tell the joke. I told the worst I.

818
00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 3: Fucked up joke.

819
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 6: Now there's something you don't hear every day. One minute

820
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,000
you're practicing your fastball with a friend at the park,

821
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:48,719
and the next he tells you he just killed his

822
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,119
mother with a baseball bat and butcher knife. I mean,

823
00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:55,639
how do you even respond to that? I'm pretty sure

824
00:48:55,639 --> 00:48:59,639
it's not an Emily Post's Book of etiquette. Naturally, his

825
00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:02,559
friend was at a loss for words, but before he

826
00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:05,800
even had a chance to reply, Joshua told him that

827
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,559
he was going on the run and planned to kill himself, which,

828
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,519
to be fair, may have been the most practical idea

829
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:15,760
this young man has had in his whole fucking life,

830
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,440
although he didn't provide much detail regarding how he was

831
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,119
going to commit suicide. Joshua quickly said goodbye to his

832
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:26,159
sister and friend before hopping back into his dead mother's

833
00:49:26,199 --> 00:49:30,639
car and peeling out of the parking lot. From there,

834
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:33,119
he got on the highway before pulling off a nearby

835
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:37,119
exit and into a seven to eleven. At around four

836
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:40,280
pm the evening of the murder, he attempted to make

837
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,280
three separate withdrawals from an ATM inside using his mother's

838
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,599
debit cards. All of the transactions, of course, were declined,

839
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:54,199
but on the fourth and final attempt, Joshua got lucky.

840
00:49:54,519 --> 00:49:56,679
Speaker 8: And then what was thrust to the plan for the day.

841
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 5: It was to give cash. I could take a card.

842
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,159
So how are you going to get cash with her cards?

843
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:07,159
Do you know? Been numbers and a lot of stuff?

844
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,519
Or I figured one? You figured one out? Okay?

845
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 8: How'd you do that? Her pin numbers on her phone?

846
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,679
Does she have like a pint of sweite access or anything.

847
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,679
Speaker 5: On her phone? Okay.

848
00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 6: Joshua then texted his drug dealer and drove the short

849
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,519
distance to his house, where he picked up a bag

850
00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:32,199
of weed. Because that's the priority here, make no mistake.

851
00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 5: He said.

852
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 11: You woke up, you hadn't been drinking or doing drugs

853
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:37,760
this morning. You don't until after you kill your mom.

854
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 8: You call your dealer to get some weed or spice

855
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:41,320
or something.

856
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 5: Is that right?

857
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,199
Speaker 11: What were you going to get from him or her?

858
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:47,519
I got, but you wouldn't got But which is marijuana?

859
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:48,199
Speaker 5: Okay?

860
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 8: But this is after the fact, So you haven't done drugs.

861
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,679
Speaker 11: Alcohol, You haven't taken any medications prescriptions in like the

862
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,119
last three or four days.

863
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 6: He also smoked a little spice with this dealer. But

864
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,119
remember Joshua doesn't know the difference between spice and marijuana.

865
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,480
After getting baked out of his mind, the killer made

866
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:10,559
his way to the same mall where his mother had

867
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:15,079
gotten her hair and nails done just hours before. While

868
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:19,880
parked outside of Sears Rest in Peace Sears, he looked

869
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,280
at his phone again, this time noticing the cops were

870
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,880
already at his house as he watched the live feed

871
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,159
from the ring camera app on his phone.

872
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:35,079
Speaker 5: Okay, where is her phone now? I dun where Brandon

873
00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:42,000
Brandon Mall? Whereabouts next? Sears? Inside? Outside, outside, outside, going on?

874
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,039
I know which one it was? Was in the grass

875
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:48,719
in the grass area, looked.

876
00:51:48,519 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 8: Up by the building or over by the river outside.

877
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 5: Of Sears okay, next to the cars.

878
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 8: What kind of funks she have? You know what model

879
00:51:59,360 --> 00:51:59,880
plus seven?

880
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: Okay?

881
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 8: And there's a white and in a white purple case.

882
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,119
Was that damaged when you got rid of it today?

883
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 1: Okay?

884
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 8: Do you know if it's damaged now? Though he threw

885
00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:09,440
it out.

886
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 7: So like dropped him down board and you just kind

887
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,519
of just awsom so not really that hard, okay.

888
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 5: Did you open okay, like in rocks and so it

889
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,880
might still be there? Okay, Well we'll see. I mean,

890
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,719
you know, someone could have picked it up. We never

891
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:27,320
don't you know?

892
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: Yeah?

893
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,599
Speaker 8: Is it like in one of the little islands in

894
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:31,320
the parking lot, or is it like in the bushes

895
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:32,719
against the building or something.

896
00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 6: According to Joshua, he hadn't quite planned out the next move.

897
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:42,119
And does that surprise you for a pothead? I mean,

898
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,760
thinking ahead isn't exactly one of the strong suits of

899
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:49,480
a marijuana smoker. I'm sure of where to go? He

900
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:51,920
decided to get back on the freeway and just start

901
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:57,000
driving aimlessly, because why not? Driving aimlessly is what he

902
00:52:57,039 --> 00:53:00,719
had done throughout his entire life, So why stop now?

903
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 4: I just started driving? Okay, where'd you go? I was

904
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:12,880
trapped between like I was just driving in circles. I

905
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:18,039
wasn't sure if I wanted to go north or into Miami,

906
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,760
because I was having this conflict in my.

907
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,039
Speaker 5: Head between.

908
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 4: Going somewhere or like giving into the guilt and turning

909
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:37,199
myself in, and I was I decided I was gonna

910
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:38,679
turn myself in and just come.

911
00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:41,159
Speaker 5: Back to Tampa. How far do you make it?

912
00:53:43,519 --> 00:53:46,599
Speaker 4: I went to like, okallup, and I started going east

913
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:48,280
and then I came around.

914
00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 5: I just came back to Tampa. What was the I took?

915
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,079
I just wasn't sober, so I don't remember it.

916
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,159
Speaker 6: A short time later, deputy spotted the victor's Nissan driving

917
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:05,920
along Interstate two seventy five in Tampa. After pulling the

918
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,119
car over, Joshua was arrested without further incident. For the

919
00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:12,840
tail end of his interrogation down at the Hillsborough County

920
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,960
Sheriff's Department, the detectives informed Joshua that they were going

921
00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:19,559
to leave the room to make a phone call. Right

922
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:22,199
before they did, the suspect asked if they could relay

923
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,000
a message to his grandfather about his three year old sister.

924
00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 5: Is this something you want me to say him? Is

925
00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:31,679
something you want to say to him? I'm so glad

926
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,400
she's okay. What do you mean by that?

927
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 12: Because I was worried and now their family doesn't live

928
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,639
with that. What do you mean when with that like

929
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:47,400
her just being taken away because of me? Someone someone

930
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:54,119
lives in their house, someone they loved, took someone they loved.

931
00:54:54,679 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 5: I was afraid they were an a that scar because

932
00:54:58,440 --> 00:54:58,679
of me.

933
00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 8: Well, you know that is something they're living with now.

934
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,079
Speaker 7: Josh That's something that you may want to think about, Okay.

935
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,639
I don't know necessarily if you want me to relay

936
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:10,239
that musa.

937
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:10,559
Speaker 3: Just to them.

938
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 6: Uh, yeah, you killed your mom, so I'm pretty sure

939
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,400
your sister is gonna have to live with that. Following

940
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:25,519
the nearly hour long interrogation, Joshua was placed back into

941
00:55:25,559 --> 00:55:30,480
handcuffs and officially charged with first degree murder, breaking.

942
00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 17: News Right Now, and arrest in the murder of a

943
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,480
woman found dead on her thirty ninth birthday at a

944
00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:40,559
Reverview home. Deputies put the cuffs on Joshua with Leon Carmona.

945
00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:44,000
They claim he used a baseball bat and a knife

946
00:55:44,000 --> 00:56:14,480
to kill his mother to hearing to Angelo.

947
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 6: Joshua Carmona, an eighteen year old with a deranged perception

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of what he viewed as a turbulent past, had long

949
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:29,440
struggled with feelings of isolation and resentment. His relationship with

950
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his mother, once close and supportive, had deteriorated into tension

951
00:56:34,039 --> 00:56:39,960
and estrangement. On March twentieth, twenty seventeen, that tension erupted

952
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into extreme violence inside their Riverview, Florida home. When police

953
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:49,039
were called to the townhouse on Hawthorne Trace Lane. They

954
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:51,719
quickly located the body of thirty nine year old Terra

955
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di'angelo she'd been beaten to death with a baseball bat,

956
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and her throat had been slit with a butcher knife.

957
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The victim's body was found in the bathroom, partially wrapped

958
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in both a bed sheet and a comforter. Forensic investigators

959
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,280
determined that the attack started in the living room and

960
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ended in the bathroom. Blood spatter on the carpet, walls,

961
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and tile floor indicated a prolonged struggle. Defensive wounds on

962
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Tara's arms showed that she briefly tried to fight back.

963
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The most personal injuries were the two lacerations across both

964
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the front and back of the victim's neck. The wound

965
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:38,079
directly beneath Tera di'angelo's chin was approximately four inches long

966
00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:44,719
and so deep her uvula and larynx were exposed, severing

967
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:49,519
major arteries and veins. As a result, investigators quickly found

968
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:53,199
the murder weapon by the front door, a red aluminum

969
00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:57,920
Eastern baseball bat with the word rampage ominously printed on

970
00:57:58,039 --> 00:58:03,440
its side. Authorities also located the bloody knife, which was

971
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,800
found on the right side of the kitchen sink. There,

972
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,760
among a few dirty dishes was a large blade partially

973
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:15,000
covered by a blue tupperware lid and a black spatula.

974
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Roughly nine hours after the murder, the suspect, Joshua Carmona,

975
00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:23,480
was apprehended by deputies when his mother's car was spotted

976
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:28,000
traveling down a nearby interstate. Inside the vehicle, authorities located

977
00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:32,079
the victim's pharmacy, walmart badge, a Rawlings baseball glove, and

978
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:36,239
the bottle of aunt Jemima's syrup. Joshua had asked his

979
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,719
mother to bring home roughly one hour before he ended

980
00:58:39,719 --> 00:58:43,480
her life. Maybe he was just upset about the portrayal

981
00:58:43,519 --> 00:58:47,239
of African Americans on syrup. Who knows what kids are

982
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,800
pissed off at these days, but it's probably something stupid.

983
00:58:51,559 --> 00:58:56,159
Police also located paperwork in the Nissan's glovebox, a vehicle

984
00:58:56,199 --> 00:59:00,360
that Tara had just proudly purchased three days before her

985
00:59:01,039 --> 00:59:04,960
During questioning, Joshua offered a full confession, and before long,

986
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:10,199
local news trucks were outside his Riverview home, capturing every

987
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:15,039
second of this riveting content to serve up to viewers

988
00:59:15,079 --> 00:59:19,119
at home in between local car dealership commercials.

989
00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:22,559
Speaker 9: We are still learning a little bit about what exactly

990
00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:26,559
happened inside this home, but forensics detectives have been here

991
00:59:26,679 --> 00:59:31,159
all through the night, collecting evidence, interviewing witnesses, sorry, interviewing neighbors,

992
00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:36,039
i should say, and family members as well online jail.

993
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:40,119
Speaker 18: Records describing the situation as domestic violence, and they're also

994
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,480
revealing a little bit of insight into how this may

995
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,000
have happened before. All we knew about to hear a

996
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:49,480
D'Angelo is that she suffered some kind of upper body trauma.

997
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:54,239
Possible murder weapon, according to jail records, a baseball bat

998
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,760
or a knife or possibly both. Again, that is a

999
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,480
big part of the investigation, happening all through the night,

1000
01:00:01,519 --> 01:00:04,800
and detective finally just wrapping things up early this morning.

1001
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,079
It was a bit of a shock here for this

1002
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:12,639
Riverview neighborhood, and certainly a traumatic, devastating situation for that family.

1003
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:16,440
We saw a husband, we saw a daughter out here

1004
01:00:16,599 --> 01:00:21,840
yesterday afternoon, all truly heartbroken and a little insight detectives

1005
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,599
all along telling us that they had reason to believe

1006
01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:27,880
that this was not a random attack, and they all

1007
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,440
along suspected it may have been a family member.

1008
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 6: This morning, now facing a first degree murder charge, Joshua's

1009
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,320
fate would soon be left in the hands of twelve jurors.

1010
01:00:39,239 --> 01:00:41,679
Ahead of the trial, he was offered sixty years in

1011
01:00:41,719 --> 01:00:44,840
prison in exchange for a guilty play, a deal he

1012
01:00:45,199 --> 01:00:48,480
turned down because why wouldn't you sixty years? I mean,

1013
01:00:48,639 --> 01:00:52,079
there's really no point in accepting that. Any idiot can

1014
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:53,760
tell you that. So not sure why you would need

1015
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:58,480
a degree to offer it. In January twenty twenty, nearly

1016
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:02,639
three years after murdering his mother, Joshua finally saw his

1017
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:07,920
day in court. Prosecutors argued that the attack was premeditated,

1018
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:13,679
citing text messages and his damning statements to police. Joshua's

1019
01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:16,719
defense team pointed to his mental health struggles as if

1020
01:01:17,519 --> 01:01:21,920
they make him special, they don't. They don't. We all

1021
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,400
have them. We all have them. But they argued that

1022
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,840
his actions were the result of emotional instability. I guess

1023
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,880
he got to blame something when your own actions are

1024
01:01:33,559 --> 01:01:38,079
just such shit, you know. During witness testimony, a friend

1025
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:41,599
of the defendant told the court how Joshua gradually became

1026
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,559
an outcast, how he'd stopped going on family trips and

1027
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:49,800
spent most of his time alone leading up to the killing. Weird,

1028
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,960
how drugs do that to you? I've witnessed it in

1029
01:01:53,079 --> 01:01:54,239
my own family.

1030
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: Firsthand, he was just acting with kind of strange days

1031
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,280
leading up to it, he was just acting soon were

1032
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,880
weird and like just staying off half all years.

1033
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 14: So.

1034
01:02:03,639 --> 01:02:07,159
Speaker 6: Joshua's best friend, who played baseball with him roughly one

1035
01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:10,880
hour before the murder, was a key witness during the trial.

1036
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,159
Speaker 5: Well, he gave him a hug before he left, and

1037
01:02:13,199 --> 01:02:15,400
he said he killed his mother. Did he appear angry

1038
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:15,639
to you?

1039
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 6: During cross examinations, the defense grilled Joshua's best friend again,

1040
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,760
suggesting that the defendant murdered his mother not out of

1041
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:30,639
premeditated malice, but because he was mentally unwell. Again, as

1042
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:32,360
if that's an excuse.

1043
01:02:32,519 --> 01:02:35,079
Speaker 4: Do you, in fact recall on that day telling Detective

1044
01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:37,880
Florio that josh Carmona told you at the part that

1045
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:38,840
he wanted to kill himself.

1046
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:39,079
Speaker 7: Yes.

1047
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 6: Unfortunately for Joshua, his truth is not ours. His desire

1048
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:50,519
to kill himself did not absolve him from murdering someone else,

1049
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:56,280
let alone his own mother. Another text recovered from the

1050
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:01,519
defendant's phone was presented by his lawyers in court. That message,

1051
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,679
sent by Joshua to one of his friends, reads as follows,

1052
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:10,679
she doesn't care about me all she cares about is them.

1053
01:03:11,199 --> 01:03:14,480
So let's talk about the act of a child. Killing

1054
01:03:14,519 --> 01:03:19,119
a parent is incredibly rare, accounting for only about two

1055
01:03:19,159 --> 01:03:21,159
percent of homicides in the US. You have to be

1056
01:03:21,199 --> 01:03:25,039
a real piece of shit to kill your own mother,

1057
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:30,719
making Joshua Carmona somewhat of an anomaly. According to tons

1058
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,159
of studies, the first three years of a child's life

1059
01:03:33,159 --> 01:03:38,159
are crucial for building a strong bond with parents. In fact,

1060
01:03:38,199 --> 01:03:41,920
they're crucial for development in general. That's usually when psychopaths

1061
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:47,320
are formed by introducing trauma during that formative period of time.

1062
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:51,719
Beyond that, the first eight years is key to developing

1063
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,920
social skills and learning how to manage emotions effectively. During

1064
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,960
his interrogation, Joshua claimed he would sometimes see and hear

1065
01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:05,760
things that weren't there, specifically when abusing drugs and alcohol.

1066
01:04:06,679 --> 01:04:09,840
Joshua also happened to be within the peak age range

1067
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:14,159
for adult males prone to psychological conditions such as schizophrenia.

1068
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:19,079
While there's a chance Joshua was prone to early onset

1069
01:04:19,119 --> 01:04:24,639
of some kind of mental illness, perhaps genetically, perhaps exacerbated

1070
01:04:24,679 --> 01:04:29,079
by weed and booze, there simply isn't enough evidence to

1071
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:32,840
support this theory. In other words, in the years leading

1072
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,440
up to the murder to the day he stood trial,

1073
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,599
not one of the several medical professionals he met had

1074
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:44,400
ever diagnosed Joshua with a mental illness. So what's the

1075
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:50,440
fucking point If we have this science, so called science,

1076
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:54,800
pseudo science really, that's supposed to tell us things about

1077
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,440
the world around us, and then it can't accurately predict anything,

1078
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:03,000
then what's the fucking point just naming terms? With that point,

1079
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:07,480
the prosecution rested its case, as the jury wasn't buying

1080
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,679
anything that the defense had to offer because there wasn't

1081
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:15,639
much there. On January ninth, twenty twenty, Joshua Carmona was

1082
01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:18,960
convicted of first degree murder and ultimately sentenced to life

1083
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:24,559
in prison without the possibility of parole. So there you

1084
01:05:24,639 --> 01:05:29,159
have it. Joshua Carmona was a young man with every

1085
01:05:29,199 --> 01:05:33,280
opportunity handed to him, who now sits in prison for life,

1086
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:38,039
exactly where he belongs. This did not come as a

1087
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:41,960
result of abuse, not as a result of mental illness,

1088
01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:44,880
and certainly not because he grew up in a bad

1089
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:48,719
home with bad parents. You see, Joshua was merely a

1090
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:54,079
product of his own entitlement, a fucking baby, a man

1091
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,039
child who refused to take responsibility in life for his

1092
01:05:57,199 --> 01:06:02,599
lack of success. It's it's disturbing to see how many

1093
01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:09,079
young people are exactly like Joshua Carmona in twenty twenty five,

1094
01:06:10,159 --> 01:06:15,320
everything ahead of them, everything to look forward to, every

1095
01:06:15,519 --> 01:06:23,880
opportunity imaginable, yet desperately looking for problems to fuck up

1096
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:28,119
their own life with and then blame others for. I mean,

1097
01:06:28,639 --> 01:06:31,719
we see more and more of this every single day.

1098
01:06:32,599 --> 01:06:35,119
And are we just seeing more of it because we

1099
01:06:35,159 --> 01:06:38,760
see more things because social media is so prevalent in

1100
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:39,280
our lives?

1101
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:40,159
Speaker 17: Now?

1102
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:45,559
Speaker 6: Has this always been the case? Have Joshua carmonas existed

1103
01:06:45,639 --> 01:06:50,559
throughout history and we just haven't noticed. The reason why

1104
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:55,519
Joshua's story is so intriguing is because we see it

1105
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,960
all around us. We see the entitlement, we see the blame.

1106
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:03,280
We see the young people with no purpose, no direction,

1107
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,199
spending their days getting high and wondering why they can't

1108
01:07:07,199 --> 01:07:11,280
afford a home, blaming the adults in charge for it,

1109
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,760
while sitting there doing nothing to improve their own future,

1110
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:20,559
to change their own outcome. It's disturbing, it's sad, and

1111
01:07:20,599 --> 01:07:25,800
it is quite worrying to those of us who give

1112
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:26,159
a shit.

1113
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,559
Speaker 1: I don't consider him my God's son anymore. I do not.

1114
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:34,000
People ask me, you know, have you forgiven him? You know,

1115
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,079
have you forgiven him for what he did? You know?

1116
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:40,559
Are you mad at him? I'm like, well, how can

1117
01:07:40,639 --> 01:07:43,960
I forgive someone who killed my best friend? You know,

1118
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,760
it's not like you know, she was killed in a

1119
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,760
tragic accident. You know, it's not like she know she

1120
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,679
passed away in her sleep. You know it wasn't an

1121
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,599
accidental death. You know this was on purpose. You know

1122
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,199
he wanted her dead, and you know, and that's the

1123
01:07:58,239 --> 01:08:00,360
part that that hurts me the most. You know, it's like,

1124
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,000
how could you want your own mother, who gave you

1125
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:06,280
life to die? Why would you want to hurt her?

1126
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,800
You know, I will never understand that. So when people

1127
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,119
ask me, have asked me, have you forgiven him?

1128
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 11: No?

1129
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:16,079
Speaker 1: I have not. I will never forgive him. How can

1130
01:08:16,119 --> 01:08:18,359
I forget someone who took away my best friend from me?

1131
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,800
She was someone you know, that would give you the

1132
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,560
shirt off her back if you needed it. Literally, she

1133
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,920
would do anything for anybody. She would never do anything

1134
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,079
to hurt anybody. And the fact you know of her

1135
01:08:29,159 --> 01:08:31,800
getting hurt just it really appused me because she didn't

1136
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,119
deserve it. I think he was just ungrateful because he

1137
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:37,840
wanted a new baseball bat, which she bought for him.

1138
01:08:38,039 --> 01:08:41,039
And in my mind, I've always thought, I wonder if

1139
01:08:41,079 --> 01:08:43,560
that's the baseball bat that he used, you know, is

1140
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,680
that why he wanted that baseball bat because he intended

1141
01:08:47,039 --> 01:08:49,600
to use that specific one to hurt his mom? You know,

1142
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:53,680
So those questions have crossed my mind and I probably

1143
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,199
will never get the answers to that.

1144
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,560
Speaker 6: It's probably a good time to call your mom, don't

1145
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:31,119
you think. Maybe see how she's doing, see what she's

1146
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:37,199
up to. It probably gets lonely, you know. All Right,

1147
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,279
have a good one, Say out to your mom for me,

1148
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,439
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1149
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,079
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Scale television. These things are getting too long. I gotta stop,

1165
01:10:42,399 --> 01:10:44,560
I gotta I gotta just stop. I'm not a sales guy.

1166
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,239
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1167
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1169
01:10:52,319 --> 01:11:51,760
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