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Speaker 4: Hello, Hello, Rouffie Referano, Oh, where oh, where is my
Speaker 4: body tonight?
Speaker 5: It's not him sitting there. He's a good looking guy,
Speaker 5: but that's not Ruffie, as you know, is Senior dude,
Speaker 5: Hank Muley filling it for my boy Ruffy Mikey Cologne
Speaker 5: on the wheels of steel, filling in for Gonzo, who's
Speaker 5: on another cruise. That guy does more cruising. I've never
Speaker 5: seen somebody more cruises than this night, Hank.
Speaker 1: That's that Chief's money.
Speaker 5: That's oh, he's a big chief. I forgot right, dice
Speaker 5: for filling in last minute, Senior dude. Appreciate your pleasure.
Speaker 6: Hello, Hello, all my buddies out in leather head Nation
Speaker 6: and basically Coolause all you did was you replaced one
Speaker 6: old guinea with an older good point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we waped swats, but Yeah, that's it. Yeah, we
Speaker 5: got a univerishment on tonight though. Man, yeah salty. You
Speaker 5: know you say the word getting salty. What do you think,
Speaker 5: Hank in a pre show? This guy is salty, right absolutely.
Speaker 5: I don't want to tell him he got on the
Speaker 5: year that I was born. I'll save that until he
Speaker 5: comes in here. But guy's been just a bit. I
Speaker 5: think this is the first time we had a from
Speaker 5: like one of the original Squad Squad five.
Speaker 6: He's has a great career, which everybody's gonna hear between
Speaker 6: all the things he's done.
Speaker 5: And I think he's gone to a fire or two.
Speaker 5: I'll go out there and say I go on a
Speaker 5: limb and say that yep, educating. Yeah. AnyWho, let's keep
Speaker 5: Roofy in our press. And he had a little you
Speaker 5: had a little brush. I don't want to see with
Speaker 5: the Grim Reaper. But I kept telling him to stay
Speaker 5: away from the light, little buddy, don't go to the light,
Speaker 5: stay away from the light. He Uh, he had a
Speaker 5: boobo belly. I don't know if you guys remember the
Speaker 5: last show with Vinnie Dunn and then the next day, Uh,
Speaker 5: I think he said he got up in the middle
Speaker 5: of the night and he passed out. He puked and
Speaker 5: he was bleeding internally. It was a big mess. And
Speaker 5: they're still trying to figure out what's exactly going on
Speaker 5: with my boys. So we wish him all the best.
Speaker 5: I was clutching my beads the other night, saying, the
Speaker 5: whole rosary firm hank a couple of times in a row,
Speaker 5: my buddy, I mean, yes, that's that's uh, Louis, we
Speaker 5: got you in our thoughts.
Speaker 7: I'm sure whatever this is, you'll pick it down the
Speaker 7: road A little bit.
Speaker 5: Back, said you know, I mean we're friends forty almost
Speaker 5: forty three years with buddies. Now, man, that's a long
Speaker 5: time to be friends with. Somebody can't he can't go
Speaker 5: no way yet, keep on a while.
Speaker 7: You sound like you're giving him one foot in the
Speaker 7: grave already. Get he's going to be flying.
Speaker 5: I told him, I said, good things. His daughter just
Speaker 5: got accepted to a really good college. And you're not
Speaker 5: taking a dirt nap, I said, So, I mean you
Speaker 5: got everything go for us, right.
Speaker 6: This is what happens when you get when you retired,
Speaker 6: things happen, and it's just from one doctor's appointment to
Speaker 6: the next doctor's appointment, right, and you play golf in between.
Speaker 5: And know when you hang out with your friend, you're
Speaker 5: talking about everything that hurts you. Oh yeah, this is
Speaker 5: killing me.
Speaker 6: Oh ship, yeah, you got a good Yeah, you know
Speaker 6: that's what I go to the retired meetings down here.
Speaker 5: By the end of up meeting, it's hey, you got
Speaker 5: a good doctor for the eyes. I got a lump
Speaker 5: over here and I got to get chucked down. I
Speaker 5: gotta get my knee replaced. Who's had that done? You
Speaker 5: know that's what it is. That's me that's coming up soon,
Speaker 5: miss the show. I'll do it. Yeah, whatever works.
Speaker 1: Bro from the hospital.
Speaker 5: Band baby, I'll do it from the hospital. But when
Speaker 5: you get your knees done, you may be two or
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Speaker 5: wasn't it? Wow? You know I hope that happens. Came
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Speaker 5: get him to coming to the stage. This is my say.
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Speaker 5: It is to welcome to the show. Lieutenant.
Speaker 8: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Guys, sit back, get your shopping up, your pencils, and
Speaker 5: listen to this magas you want to talk about fire duty.
Speaker 5: This man has seen some fire duty, but let's start
Speaker 5: the way back. Let's go back a little bit to
Speaker 5: the early days of Lieutenant and Garrett. He grew up
Speaker 5: in Queens and says here right, oh, time out, Mike,
Speaker 5: thank you. I gotta I gotta put a pause on here.
Speaker 5: We gotta get patriotic. I'm very sorry. I am remissed. Sorry.
Speaker 5: You do what, Mike.
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Speaker 3: one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice.
Speaker 5: For all wonderful, best country in the whole wide world.
Speaker 5: Now we can get into it. Little let's go back
Speaker 5: to Queens. Let's turn back the way back machine. How
Speaker 5: far are we going back?
Speaker 8: Well, at the beginning Long Island City is they quit
Speaker 8: the projects, the Queen's Bridge projects. That's where I actually
Speaker 8: grew up until I moved to Astoria.
Speaker 5: A tough neighborhood, Queen's bridg projects.
Speaker 8: Back in the day. It's it was, it was. It
Speaker 8: was a crazy place there. It was starting to get
Speaker 8: real crazy there, but it.
Speaker 5: Were still with projects, big family.
Speaker 8: Uh yeah. Then we moved to uh to uh story
Speaker 8: around off dit Mars thirty first Street, with the l
Speaker 8: ended down in department houses there, and uh, it was
Speaker 8: great neighborhood to grow up, and a lot.
Speaker 5: Of grits back the well they came in afterwards.
Speaker 8: Now afterwards, and now it's very it's international, and it's
Speaker 8: all it's all young kids there today today who can
Speaker 8: afford it? It's so expensive.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's right outside the city there, so it's an
Speaker 5: easy commute right to Manhattan.
Speaker 8: Story is, it's a great place there. And and again
Speaker 8: that's where I was appointed in sixty eight. Well, I
Speaker 8: got a pointed a job in November thirty at sixty eight,
Speaker 8: but we got a assigned to Angine two sixty.
Speaker 5: Three, which is right in your neighborhood.
Speaker 8: And it really was at the time because I stayed
Speaker 8: I got married, I still stayed in the neighborhood there.
Speaker 8: I was literally walking to work there, you know.
Speaker 5: But you worked with Connet before that, right.
Speaker 8: Yeah, before what year you get to content sixty one? Maybe, uh,
Speaker 8: nineteen sixty, nineteen sixty and then uh, all you said,
Speaker 8: I got that phone call that in the office. Dad,
Speaker 8: he called me up and the guy says, you want
Speaker 8: the job, kid? And then what job was he talking about?
Speaker 8: Because at that time. They were given a fire department.
Speaker 8: They given police department, examed every Saturday. They needed so
Speaker 8: many guys. They didn't charge it at all. You just
Speaker 8: walk into any of these places, take the test, and
Speaker 8: you'd be hiding no time at all. So I thought
Speaker 8: it was good. It was that, but it was for
Speaker 8: the fire department. So again he says, sure it sounds good.
Speaker 8: Went down to Robert o' lowry's office that day and
Speaker 8: got sworn in and went back to work and told
Speaker 8: them I'm leaving, you know. And that's the same day
Speaker 8: they went on strike. Cardy went on strike on November thirtieth.
Speaker 5: Oh, good, good timing.
Speaker 8: Yes, it was very good timing for that.
Speaker 5: Would you have taken the p D if it was
Speaker 5: p D?
Speaker 8: I think I would have. Then. You know what I was.
Speaker 8: I was too short. You had to be five eight?
Speaker 8: How dare they? I would have made it either you
Speaker 8: had to be five eight. They didn't change that till
Speaker 8: uh many years later.
Speaker 5: Really do we did we?
Speaker 2: Hat?
Speaker 5: Did we ever have a height requirement in the five part?
Speaker 5: I think they did.
Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure I don't think they they did.
Speaker 6: Well, not even back in the day I thought I
Speaker 6: thought they did have it might it might have been
Speaker 6: five six or something, but maybe not you.
Speaker 8: Maybe maybe it was. Yeah, there was a well we
Speaker 8: went to Provy School in Welfare Island.
Speaker 5: So it wasn't even at the Rocket. It was Welfare.
Speaker 8: It wasn't the Rocket. It was it was Welfare Island.
Speaker 8: And I don't remember too much doing too much isand
Speaker 8: it was only like four weeks maybe nothing.
Speaker 6: So so look back Welfare Island was was it was
Speaker 6: that the tip of it was about the island or
Speaker 6: was the whole island back then?
Speaker 8: No, it was, it was it was this separate island there,
Speaker 8: you know.
Speaker 7: And but then you have to take to take the
Speaker 7: bridge to get onto fifteen.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 8: I had to ask somebody that make a phone call
Speaker 8: the other day that you came in through Queen's I
Speaker 8: believe through.
Speaker 5: Twenty first Avenue there or something and you right, yeah.
Speaker 8: Right past the engine two sixty right and then rove
Speaker 8: over the bridge there I believe, so far back I
Speaker 8: don't even remember it.
Speaker 5: But that was still close to you too, I mean
Speaker 5: for Welfare, I was close to a storeia.
Speaker 8: Yeah that was you. I don't hear anybody commute. Nobody
Speaker 8: really commuted that far. It seemed at the time, you know,
Speaker 8: everybody lived local.
Speaker 5: Right, what made you want to take the test? You
Speaker 5: said you had no family on the job. Right.
Speaker 8: Of course one of the other guys had taken it.
Speaker 8: You know, they grew up in the building there was
Speaker 8: it was like ten buildings all attached. I mean, you
Speaker 8: had like fifty guys there, you know, so a couple
Speaker 8: of us took it. Everybody went every which way, you know, right,
Speaker 8: It wasn't like you have private dwellings and you don't.
Speaker 8: You don't know who the other people are and next
Speaker 8: door to you. But when they finished Proby school, they
Speaker 8: told you you have to go to your local firehouse
Speaker 8: and find out where you're going. That's what they didn't
Speaker 8: have the information. So he said, okay. So I went
Speaker 8: to a store, knocked on the door, went in there,
Speaker 8: and I told the guy were two of us, two
Speaker 8: probe he's wanted to know, So we're going, He says,
Speaker 8: you kidding me? He says, we're your elbows? How come
Speaker 8: they're not hitting the door. I said, you have any beverages, coffee?
Speaker 8: You got anything? No? He got? He says no. He says,
Speaker 8: we'll get some. He says, I don't have any money
Speaker 8: for it, not neither of us having any money, he says.
Speaker 8: He still want to know where you're going? He says, yeah,
Speaker 8: he says, go outside and look up and it was
Speaker 8: two sixty three. Wow, that's where you're going right here,
Speaker 8: he says. And he says, you didn't know that. I
Speaker 8: says no. And you know who that got. I was
Speaker 8: breaking our shoes. Bobby Beckworth.
Speaker 5: Wow, you know.
Speaker 8: And Becky was the guy with the president standing on
Speaker 8: top of the car and wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So we were friends all through the years, you know,
Speaker 8: just working with him and all that. And and he
Speaker 8: couldn't it couldn't happened to a nicer guy. What happened
Speaker 8: to him? He traveled all over the world as an
Speaker 8: emissary for the fire department.
Speaker 5: Did the other guy go to to sixty three?
Speaker 8: Yeah, he went to sixty two. I believe the other
Speaker 8: guy the road and uh, but that was beck With
Speaker 8: That's so he only passed away a year ago. Maybe Yeah,
Speaker 8: he's some he was some character. But so that's how
Speaker 8: we became friendly with him, you know.
Speaker 5: So that was one. Seventeen was the truck, Because.
Speaker 8: When seventeen was the truck?
Speaker 5: Were they did they have the wall there were they
Speaker 5: step back then.
Speaker 8: They had the wall and all that, so we were
Speaker 8: it's a great house. All guys are great. A lot
Speaker 8: of old timers in the house. And then they started
Speaker 8: the interchange where you were. Every third night we went
Speaker 8: up to the Bronx, so the Cosa Kaka that's that's
Speaker 8: what they called it. The guys, and uh, yeah, it's
Speaker 8: sometimes you know, there's a lot of guys didn't Some
Speaker 8: guys didn't want to go up there, you know, like
Speaker 8: on a Saturday night. I remember putting a neutral on
Speaker 8: the board there to get off on a Saturday night
Speaker 8: and it was it was an interchange night, and they
Speaker 8: were all laughing like nobody was going to Some many did,
Speaker 8: of course, but so many all times there for thirty years,
Speaker 8: they didn't particularly care for it up there because there
Speaker 8: was a different world up there on a weekend and
Speaker 8: uh in the summertime there's people everywhere, there's fires everywhere.
Speaker 8: The truck was there, forty two trucks, Squad two seventy three,
Speaker 8: and uh, it was it was just crazy crazy.
Speaker 6: As a young guy on the job, did you did
Speaker 6: you enjoy going up there because of because of the
Speaker 6: fire duty.
Speaker 5: Were you looking to do that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it just it was a different world. It
Speaker 8: was a different world than we were used to. And
Speaker 8: we had a couple of young guys that liked to
Speaker 8: go up so, uh, you know we went up there
Speaker 8: when we put in the mutual, we take a mutually
Speaker 8: just to go up there.
Speaker 6: You know, right, I was going to ask, did you
Speaker 6: see like the young guys would grab a mutual so
Speaker 6: they could go up to the bronx to try to
Speaker 6: catch from Yeah.
Speaker 8: They did. We really enjoyed it and all the stories
Speaker 8: you heard about it, and you know, forty two trucks
Speaker 8: was a nice, nicer place with seventy three and the
Speaker 8: squad there. It was just crazy. The the the dishwasher
Speaker 8: used to empty right on the floor. The cabinets, none
Speaker 8: of them my doors on it.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 8: Some of the old timers there who us, they would
Speaker 8: never sit on a couch or anything. They never went
Speaker 8: up to the bunk room. They just sat on a
Speaker 8: hard chair like those school chairs, you know. And uh,
Speaker 8: it's been the night. There went a lot of fires.
Speaker 5: Just you remember your first fire in two sixty three.
Speaker 8: Actually the first fire had it was an accident under
Speaker 8: Grand Central Parkway where a couple of people died, you know,
Speaker 8: and I guys doing like CPR on people. Uh, just
Speaker 8: before we used to do it with the cfr D
Speaker 8: or anything. And uh, that was I mean, it was
Speaker 8: pretty bad that one. And the fire, it was just
Speaker 8: a basic fire. Had nothing to remember, you know, it
Speaker 8: was just that small house fire in any area there.
Speaker 8: But it's a great house. The guys were great, right,
Speaker 8: and uh, but it were different, the office different. You know,
Speaker 8: you're up in the bronx. There was just it's great
Speaker 8: fire officers, great fire officers. And stayed there a couple
Speaker 8: of years and then uh, I went up to Squad five.
Speaker 8: We got not that we put in for it. I
Speaker 8: put in for a couple of houses. But that was
Speaker 8: the big lift. All the second sections were being closed.
Speaker 8: And that's an original squad. Look at that.
Speaker 5: What what did you guys have? What kind of read had?
Speaker 8: We had a regular pumper? Yeah? Where did you get that?
Speaker 8: I don't know where they got that picture from.
Speaker 5: I sent it. I sent it to mine. You got
Speaker 5: you went in there in seventy four.
Speaker 8: You went to Squad five, right, correct, And it was
Speaker 8: the mixture of guys transferred in.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 8: Some guys were left over from from forty one dash
Speaker 8: too and h and and some guys from forty one
Speaker 8: stayed there and then in the squad there.
Speaker 5: So but so it was in forty one quarters.
Speaker 8: Squad five forty one quarters. Characters came in, Uh that
Speaker 8: came in from other companies and all that, and uh
Speaker 8: it seems like, uh, some guys got there for punishment,
Speaker 8: you know when I did hear that.
Speaker 5: They would send guys to the squad for punishments.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what the story was. And there are a
Speaker 8: couple of characters there. And we had one lieutenant that
Speaker 8: got jammed up in Queen's there and uh they sent
Speaker 8: him up there. So he was he was very bitter
Speaker 8: and uh he's always cursing everybody out and all that.
Speaker 8: Great officer, he did his job and all that, but
Speaker 8: he was disgruntled. Well, yeah, that that's that's what he's
Speaker 8: for punishment.
Speaker 7: Did you guys do regular you know six by nine
Speaker 7: and nine by six tours and we're.
Speaker 8: Still in that six by nine and yeah, two day
Speaker 8: tours to night to us, so they still didn't get
Speaker 8: into twenty four.
Speaker 5: And how were you operating?
Speaker 6: Were you just going to you know a ten seventy
Speaker 6: five you would go to a job stretch a line.
Speaker 8: With the point we go into forty one engine at
Speaker 8: six o'clock. At six thirty we'd leave. We'd go to
Speaker 8: eighty two engine. Eighty two engine would go to Queen's
Speaker 8: on the interchange, a interchange with two ninety five. So
Speaker 8: when two ninety five came up, we left and we
Speaker 8: went to ninety two engine and ninety two went in
Speaker 8: the back and we went ninety two for the up
Speaker 8: till midnight. That's what we did.
Speaker 5: I remember night about midnight, right, so midnight we.
Speaker 8: Were back to forty one and we only went to
Speaker 8: ten seventy fives. Yeah, and what was you.
Speaker 5: Roll at the ten seventy five five needed?
Speaker 8: As soon as they came in, we'd go. And they
Speaker 8: always had that expression take up squad. That was us.
Speaker 8: They We always took up right away as soon as
Speaker 8: the fire was under control, because we would go to
Speaker 8: another one very shortly. And all that, you know, and.
Speaker 5: How would you operate there? Would you operate as an engine?
Speaker 5: Would you do it an engine?
Speaker 8: It's an engine? Yeah? And the I remember Chief Griffin,
Speaker 8: he was up there. He's an old timer. He's always
Speaker 8: come over to us and take up squad, you know,
Speaker 8: and we go back and go to the next ten
Speaker 8: seventy five. We do that all night, you know.
Speaker 5: So how many seventy five would you go to in
Speaker 5: a night.
Speaker 8: We'd got you've got three or four maybe, uh, you
Speaker 8: know five, some you wouldn't work at, you know, but
Speaker 8: uh uh we went automatically to them.
Speaker 7: You know, were you stretching your own line off of
Speaker 7: your rig or you stretch it off at the.
Speaker 8: Times most sometimes, but other times you take whatever's closer
Speaker 8: to the fire. So we get out of there. You know,
Speaker 8: if you get tied up, you know, hooked up, you'll
Speaker 8: never get out of there. Or that right, then we
Speaker 8: do the opposite thing. We go to ninety two engine.
Speaker 8: They did interchange with a company, uh, I don't know where.
Speaker 8: They'd go up in North Manhattan, uh, North Bronx, and
Speaker 8: then we'd be ninety two. And then when the company
Speaker 8: interchange company came, we'd leave and when we'd go to
Speaker 8: eighty two or sometimes a different company. But we spent
Speaker 8: a lot of time in eighty two, and they'd go
Speaker 8: in the back and we'd be first up for eighty
Speaker 8: two unless you got a job somewhere, and everybody would go.
Speaker 8: But a lot of time we leave, did.
Speaker 6: They go to the back You mean they would actually
Speaker 6: back there, ring on the back of the apparatus floor,
Speaker 6: and you guys were in front of them.
Speaker 5: And I don't think a lot of guys understand it.
Speaker 5: That's what I was.
Speaker 7: That's what I was getting from it, that you know.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they were out of service, and like yeah, and
Speaker 8: then we'd be first up. Then we'd be the first
Speaker 8: wait till till midnight. Then we'd go to eighty five engine.
Speaker 8: They were in the tinhouse there on Boston Road, the
Speaker 8: same thing there, fifty nine trucks there and I don't
Speaker 8: even how we squeezed all the rigs in. But then
Speaker 8: then we have eighty five and then it was us
Speaker 8: and we'd be we'd taken eighty five roun until midnight.
Speaker 5: And uh, and you guys would be jumping around all
Speaker 5: over the place.
Speaker 8: You never knew, well, well, you're gonna have a meal.
Speaker 5: I was just gonna tell you, how do you have
Speaker 5: the meal? You know, you never knew what you're eating.
Speaker 8: Right eating and you don't know, you know, And that
Speaker 8: happened a lot. Sometimes we'd flag it and just get
Speaker 8: sandwiches somewhere or you'd go back there and wrap up
Speaker 8: the food and bring it, bring it to the uh
Speaker 8: you know, forty one's engines quarters there and then go
Speaker 8: to fifty Engine was the best because they had the
Speaker 8: old house. They had a three story extension where they
Speaker 8: built and you had uh uh volleyball they played in there.
Speaker 8: They played paddle ball, and they had a gold room
Speaker 8: they called it where they played cards. Guys in forty
Speaker 8: one in the squad they were in the game masters,
Speaker 8: you know, and they played it all day and all
Speaker 8: night sometimes, you know. And that they played in fifty
Speaker 8: and fifty Engine had the deputies, even the quarters they
Speaker 8: had by fart. It's familiar. At the time, it was
Speaker 8: the best house.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And when he and he finally disbanded it, uh there
Speaker 8: you go, finally disbanded, they said where do you guys
Speaker 8: want to go? Anywhere you want to go, And I
Speaker 8: went to fifty cut right to the short or not.
Speaker 8: But uh, deputies were there, the lieutenants there. At my
Speaker 8: tennis there were Tom Martin and you know tomt Bob Love,
Speaker 8: remember Bob Love he was.
Speaker 7: I've heard their names, but they were a little before me.
Speaker 7: I got on seventy nine, so they were before me.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they were. They were legends and all that, and uh,
Speaker 8: both of them and the deputies were there were the best.
Speaker 8: They were the real old times Nemechick, check Bill Burke.
Speaker 8: They were old timers.
Speaker 5: And you have a lot of World War Two vets
Speaker 5: as uh as.
Speaker 8: The old time guess those guys were, yeah, because I
Speaker 8: mean they were old timers to me when I go
Speaker 8: into the ice, you know, they were they were being
Speaker 8: old and they were great. They were just super. And
Speaker 8: so they said when you when you when you transferred, uh,
Speaker 8: where do you want to go? And everybody got their
Speaker 8: spot and then I went to fifty and all that
Speaker 8: just it was a great house, you know, still is.
Speaker 8: My son was the captain of that. He just my
Speaker 8: son just retired and he was the captain of Vengured fifty.
Speaker 5: Really, oh that's great.
Speaker 8: They gave that up. And yeah, and I worked in
Speaker 8: the truck any engine, Yeah what truck was in with
Speaker 8: them in nineteen nineteen truck.
Speaker 7: Okay, that's a busy place, right.
Speaker 8: Yeah, still busy and uh, very busy the engines up there.
Speaker 8: That's all that.
Speaker 6: So so even though you got to play cards and volleyball,
Speaker 6: it was a lot of interrupted games, interrupted meals too.
Speaker 8: Right meals. And I was in there. I just joined
Speaker 8: the band and I carried used to carry my pipes
Speaker 8: with me, and I always put them on the bed,
Speaker 8: the hose bed. And he said, with all the places
Speaker 8: we go to, and it's parked a block away from
Speaker 8: the fire, and you know, the shelf would leave it
Speaker 8: there and everybody go to the fire, and I somehow
Speaker 8: nobody had the kids used to climb the never.
Speaker 5: H never touched it, never took it the.
Speaker 8: The point and say, what what is that in there?
Speaker 8: You know? But then I stopped bringing them to the
Speaker 8: What year in the band form? The band started in
Speaker 8: nineteen sixty two. I started in seven, nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 5: Did you play the pipes? Did you play the pipes
Speaker 5: before that? Or you learned to play?
Speaker 8: Oh no, I was playing at seventy five. You had
Speaker 8: to learn on your own. And what happened and was
Speaker 8: when I was in the squad in between tours, a
Speaker 8: lot of times it's a good time to go out somewhere,
Speaker 8: you know. We used to go to sometimes the Long
Speaker 8: Beach because with the guy fireman on Kenny McGuire owned
Speaker 8: the chances used to hang out in Chances for the
Speaker 8: data and then come back in that night, which is.
Speaker 5: I live right down the block from there.
Speaker 8: Really, yeah, that is it was Kenny McGuire was a fireman,
Speaker 8: a nineteen truck.
Speaker 5: Those are so many five in the Low Beach, always
Speaker 5: has been.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 8: Yeah. But instead of I'd go out once in a while,
Speaker 8: I couldn't afford to do that anymore. I'd go I'd
Speaker 8: go to to take private lessons with the bagpipes for
Speaker 8: the guy from an old time from the Transit Arty,
Speaker 8: and I'd go to his house up in the North
Speaker 8: Bronx there and spend the day with him playing pipes
Speaker 8: and all that.
Speaker 5: And then how long were you in the Badfoot you
Speaker 5: whole career from seventy fiftieth.
Speaker 8: I'm the senior paper there anyway, and the senior drummer
Speaker 8: is I think you guys know Tom mctigue right, Yeah,
Speaker 8: got him on the show with his roll.
Speaker 5: I heard not crazy man. I came on in a
Speaker 5: robe and I don't even know what kind of hattie
Speaker 5: had all he was nuts.
Speaker 8: You never know with Tom, you never know. That reminds
Speaker 8: me here that he's a senior guy in the band.
Speaker 5: Oh he throws that at you every once in a while.
Speaker 5: He's I said.
Speaker 8: We'm a senior piper, a tough time marching anymore. But
Speaker 8: I still play with the guys in the you know,
Speaker 8: the funerals and all that.
Speaker 5: You still go out huh wow.
Speaker 8: Yeah, oh yeah, and uh that's a whole new story.
Speaker 8: I mean I get to two podcasts on that. Uh,
Speaker 8: on the band itself, all the places we've been, you know,
Speaker 8: just uh mago there's a picture of the band. Yeah
Speaker 8: and naturally nine to eleven. All the funerals we did,
Speaker 8: oh my god. Yeah, we did every every funeral, every plaque, dedication, memorial.
Speaker 5: Service, street dedications.
Speaker 8: They still do and it never end. And streets, like
Speaker 8: I said, street we just had one for Becky Becky
Speaker 8: Bobby beckw With just a month or two ago. But
Speaker 8: you know, after the funerals, you know, he said they
Speaker 8: didn't find anybody when they did find uh parts there
Speaker 8: and they'd have another.
Speaker 5: Funeral the yep.
Speaker 8: So it uh and they're still doing it. You know.
Speaker 5: So you got any fires that stand out to you
Speaker 5: while you're in the squad that you can recall it.
Speaker 8: Ah, there was a lot of a lot of fires
Speaker 8: that something we just learned recently there with my son
Speaker 8: Tim and all that. How I forget how these to operate.
Speaker 8: They forty one would so squad squad picked that up
Speaker 8: till they'd go to a fire and two guys would
Speaker 8: jump out, grab the line and go right in the building.
Speaker 8: You don't even know what happened. And the other guys,
Speaker 8: two guys were putting masks on, you know, getting and
Speaker 8: then helped them stretch him. But that's how they got it.
Speaker 8: They get, you know, into the fire. So if you
Speaker 8: came in as the third or fourth guy with a
Speaker 8: with with a mask, you're going to get a piece
Speaker 8: of that fire. Because the other two guys had nothing.
Speaker 5: You know, they're gonna get the ship beat out of him.
Speaker 8: And they did, and they did and and uh so
Speaker 8: we get a piece of a lot of fires there.
Speaker 8: The one fire that stands out which somebody just gave
Speaker 8: me the address, the date nineteen seventy seven, the Yankee
Speaker 8: Stadium fire. And the howard goes sell.
Speaker 5: What he says, there's a fire. Oh yeah, I just
Speaker 5: showed my kids.
Speaker 8: I was detailed a fifty five truck that night and
Speaker 8: we went when we went to the fire, there they
Speaker 8: were remounted a lot. Yeah, I remember this guy. I
Speaker 8: saw al Reese, he was from nineteen go through one
Speaker 8: of those big windows and into the building. As soon
Speaker 8: as he's in a couple of minutes and the whole
Speaker 8: floor lit up. Must get all kerosene or diesel oil
Speaker 8: or whatever. You could see the flames running across the floor.
Speaker 8: And he was in there. He started getting roof ropes
Speaker 8: to try to rescue him if they could find him.
Speaker 8: Then he jumped out another window and he came out,
Speaker 8: and uh, that was the end of out. They told
Speaker 8: us to get rid of our rigs and just put
Speaker 8: towel out us there and we went around the corner
Speaker 8: to a bodega, and uh we watched the World Series
Speaker 8: and the fire from that and the whole building, the
Speaker 8: whole school was on fire. And the whole country saw this.
Speaker 8: So if anybody thought that the Bronx wasn't burning, and
Speaker 8: I was an eye opener, you know.
Speaker 5: That what what did that look like back in the seventies,
Speaker 5: It had to look like somebody had mentioned to me,
Speaker 5: it looked like like post World War two. That's what
Speaker 5: it looked like.
Speaker 8: Is that is that the actual pictures there?
Speaker 1: This I have it on mute.
Speaker 5: It's sixteen minutes, it's on TV.
Speaker 8: And this whole building is burning. And you know what,
Speaker 8: there are a lot of schools in the South Bronx
Speaker 8: that they just swalked away from. They locked the door
Speaker 8: and just left it and people got in there. It
Speaker 8: wasn't much to burning, man, because they were fireproof, but
Speaker 8: all the furnishings in there were taken run, you know,
Speaker 8: just the people just went in there and took everything
Speaker 8: that wasn't nailed down. It was amazing, right, And.
Speaker 6: Look, just just to clarify for everybody listening, and you said,
Speaker 6: the first two guys would just grabbed the line and go,
Speaker 6: and then the three and four man with you know,
Speaker 6: the control and the door man. Back then you didn't
Speaker 6: have the four point five strapped you know behind you.
Speaker 6: That was when the wind bowing and the three and
Speaker 6: four man used to have to take the old scots
Speaker 6: and the suitcases, right, yeah, you know the two point
Speaker 6: two's with the you know, with the with the fighter
Speaker 6: web straps on, and you know it was a whole
Speaker 6: rigamarole to put that mask on. That's why the first
Speaker 6: two guys wanted to go and get the line, go
Speaker 6: get water, on the Yeah.
Speaker 8: And they did too, and they had a lot of
Speaker 8: good like the firemen from forty one engine and forty
Speaker 8: one two and and uh, you know, it was a
Speaker 8: different world, right, I think tough guys. It's a lot
Speaker 8: of characters too, a lot of characters.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I remember when I got and they were just at
Speaker 6: that point the four point five said come in, and
Speaker 6: I think the nozzle in the backup had them, and
Speaker 6: if you had.
Speaker 5: Three or four you still had to go for the suitcase.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was seventy nine, and then shortly after that
Speaker 6: everybody started having the four point You.
Speaker 5: Were riding the backstep when you got on, right now, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: both of you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well they at that point they didn't want you
Speaker 6: riding the backstep, but it was it was kind of like,
Speaker 6: we don't want you doing it, but we don't.
Speaker 5: See you doing it. So got you know, at least
Speaker 5: in the ghetto as you were doing it. Then, you know,
Speaker 5: then a year or two and then that was you
Speaker 5: must have been doing that the whole time though, right.
Speaker 8: Yeah, just about the whole time. I can still remember
Speaker 8: he had they had rigs uncovered. That was the You
Speaker 8: couldn't interchange it unless you had a covered rig. It
Speaker 8: was I don't know what they had on. I don't
Speaker 8: remember that.
Speaker 6: But there was I think I remember seeing some old
Speaker 6: rigs with like a plywood canopy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the flywood box over over the seats. You know.
Speaker 8: Times, and we had so many guys there. You get detailed,
Speaker 8: you one of your second first tour or second tour
Speaker 8: and all that. And I used to get detailed to
Speaker 8: seventy three engine. Uh like, so I tell you when
Speaker 8: and they did the hinter change. They wouldn't I wouldn't
Speaker 8: go on in the change. They leave me back. And
Speaker 8: when they two sixty three came in, now I was
Speaker 8: the c and I showing them where all the boxes
Speaker 8: are because a lot of guys didn't know that.
Speaker 5: You know, oh that's what you wrote here the CEE
Speaker 5: and I doing right.
Speaker 8: Let's be an tonight and uh it's stayed behind the
Speaker 8: show for there in the compartment and just tell them
Speaker 8: where to go and all that.
Speaker 5: You were a human rat card.
Speaker 8: Yeah. The guys I worked with in the story, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 8: but the offices were really uh good stories. Yeah, so
Speaker 8: we uh they changed the format with the squad so
Speaker 8: many times. A lot of times we just went to
Speaker 8: forty one engine and just went in in the front
Speaker 8: for them and uh and you know they listened to
Speaker 8: job somewhere and everybody went and off. But they saw
Speaker 8: it a something else which I remember the like I say,
Speaker 8: it happened to be a company forty four engine in
Speaker 8: he's seventy fifth Street, Matt there was. They had only
Speaker 8: one man coming in, one officer, one man. So instead
Speaker 8: of trying to get guys higher, they transfer them out
Speaker 8: for the day and we became forty four engine. We
Speaker 8: drove down to seventy fifth Street. Now, now you get
Speaker 8: all that time working in the ghetto, especially in the
Speaker 8: South Bronx there and all that, and you run the
Speaker 8: apron now of seventy five engine a nice day, I
Speaker 8: mean you get the best ape apron going and everybody
Speaker 8: hung out outside of course, yeah, targets everybody. And what
Speaker 8: happened after a few tours after we did that, we
Speaker 8: got a call from the deputy he's no more going
Speaker 8: into midtown like that because he said James Cagney made
Speaker 8: it a complaint. Yeah, he said, there's a bunch of
Speaker 8: slobs standing out front of quarters there. Of course, everybody
Speaker 8: is dressing us denim jackets and open boots and they
Speaker 8: you know, they had the ghetto ghetto look and all that. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and they and they plaint there. So that was the
Speaker 8: the and they're doing that, and we stayed in the Bronx.
Speaker 5: Mike Milner says, hello, ed, it's electric head. Mike.
Speaker 8: Mike was a nineteen truck guy with Mike Jericho Fire Department. Maury, yep,
Speaker 8: is that the one with the green fenders?
Speaker 5: Maybe, yes, it's green fenders on it the bumpers and yeah.
Speaker 8: That that was that. We got this brand new rig
Speaker 8: in the quarters.
Speaker 5: Look at the buildings behind it, all burnt out.
Speaker 8: And the Captain Tony Alva, he was a legend up there.
Speaker 8: He took the rig to a shop and they had
Speaker 8: the the bumpers painted green. It's a great idea because
Speaker 8: a lot of guys are Irish and the company and uh,
Speaker 8: you know they were they thought it was the greatest idea,
Speaker 8: he said. And we walked to the rock for training
Speaker 8: and all that, and Dudley Class sees it. He's the
Speaker 8: chief of training and he just said, like what is that?
Speaker 8: You know, like, are you kidding me? They went back
Speaker 8: to the quarters that day, the shops came and took
Speaker 8: the off and they had the repainted it and brought
Speaker 8: it back and then he wanted a letter sent to
Speaker 8: him chief of Training and why they did that. So
Speaker 8: Tony Alder and a couple of guys they made this
Speaker 8: letter and uh they was singing the last all the
Speaker 8: time there and all that, and they didn't want to
Speaker 8: do it. They were testing, and he says, you got
Speaker 8: to do it. He's the chief of Training. It's the
Speaker 8: right thing to do. So he did it. And then
Speaker 8: we got a uh uh picture of Kermit the frog
Speaker 8: from chief who's the commissioner in chief? Hines, Joe Hines, George.
Speaker 8: It's sorry, guys, but it's not easy being green nones.
Speaker 8: You know. He wanted to let us keep it through,
Speaker 8: but he didn't want to buck his his staff. Guys.
Speaker 8: That just happened. That's why that picture. So if you
Speaker 8: have a picture of that that only lasted a month,
Speaker 8: maybe that's it.
Speaker 5: And you got a picture of it. Who got the picture?
Speaker 8: Joe Pinto probably did it. You know. Joe Pinto, he
Speaker 8: was in a couple of he's a buff and he
Speaker 8: takes all the photos of all the rigs and all that,
Speaker 8: so he that's his picture there's I'm sure it's his
Speaker 8: pride and joy. I think.
Speaker 5: When you were in the squad, did they ride with
Speaker 5: the same designations as they do in the engine? You
Speaker 5: had a chauffeur, you had an alvel man back up.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was yeah, it was the same same thing.
Speaker 5: It was just and did they did they ever put
Speaker 5: you to work as a truck going now?
Speaker 8: Uh? I think once? Uh one of the guys, Uh,
Speaker 8: the chiefs there just told us to go in there
Speaker 8: and get a couple of tools. We carry tools, but
Speaker 8: not very often there, you know.
Speaker 5: So it's most of the engine stuff, just engine.
Speaker 8: But we did a lot lot of a lot of running,
Speaker 8: a lot of running around and it was fun. I mean,
Speaker 8: we had a really really good time. And the officers.
Speaker 8: Remember our captain was Irving Schneider. He's a Jewish captain
Speaker 8: and he was from Staten Island. And he said, how
Speaker 8: did he have to get to the squad? What did
Speaker 8: he do to get to the squad? Because he used
Speaker 8: to come in there all the time and come into
Speaker 8: the kitchen and he says, you Irish guys, you know,
Speaker 8: he'd be shaking his head all the time and laughing,
Speaker 8: and uh, like you said he got the spot there.
Speaker 8: It's very unusual there. And we had Jim Healy, Jimmy
Speaker 8: Heally who became a deputy, Marty Ughs and the lieutenant
Speaker 8: Marty Ughes he became a chief and uh and and
Speaker 8: Tom Fenton is there. Oh, good offices, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, do you think you caught you you saw your
Speaker 5: most fire in the squad or somewhere else.
Speaker 8: Probably when in on the interchange with seventy three engine
Speaker 8: going back there some nights. We just we had a
Speaker 8: couple of young guys there. We would never tap out,
Speaker 8: but everybody else the officers tap out all the time
Speaker 8: to get the tour off or they get two hours
Speaker 8: off or something like that. And we didn't because we
Speaker 8: were now there and all that right, and uh so,
Speaker 8: but uh, I think the truck to twenty six truck
Speaker 8: seen he is there in the middle of all the projects. Yeah,
Speaker 8: a lot of projects.
Speaker 5: And a lot of big names went. We'll get to
Speaker 5: that they did. You're right on that, yeah, yep. So
Speaker 5: let's talk about we talked about the seeing idol. Let's
Speaker 5: talk about when he got laid off, and we talked
Speaker 5: about that a little bit in the pre show. How
Speaker 5: they so gracefully informed you that you get.
Speaker 8: Exactly. It's remember us sitting on a window sill there
Speaker 8: and it was like I think it was July fourth. Yeah,
Speaker 8: there's this rubble everywhere. It just there's that Charlotte Street.
Speaker 8: They always showed that picture, like you find the presidents
Speaker 8: came in or any big shots.
Speaker 5: And where were you working at the time.
Speaker 8: Little in the squad in the squad, okay, squad and
Speaker 8: uh we see the battalion coming, uh pop in there
Speaker 8: and driving over the rubble and all and he and
Speaker 8: he gets out laughing with the clipboard and he's waving
Speaker 8: it and he says, okay, guys, I got the list
Speaker 8: because the rumor was was out there with what was
Speaker 8: going on in the city. You know, everybody was getting
Speaker 8: cut and uh then he started reading off the names.
Speaker 8: You know you Murphy a Hern and Garretty, you knew you.
Speaker 8: Oh gone, you played off, Get out of here. We
Speaker 8: dropped everything, went back to the FiOS, and I said,
Speaker 8: and we all tapped out and waited for the doctor.
Speaker 8: Give us two hours off. Wait, you wasted the all day.
Speaker 8: And that's how that's how it was. Wow, And I
Speaker 8: got back in a week. I was only gone a week.
Speaker 5: That's what you do.
Speaker 8: Well, there was nobody left in the job. You know
Speaker 8: a lot of guys that laid off.
Speaker 5: How much time did you have, Well, you got on
Speaker 5: in sixty eight. This was seventy what seventy seventy five,
Speaker 5: so you had some time on they went by, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: a lot of guys went to drive buses. I think
Speaker 5: they said, right.
Speaker 8: They got jobs with the transit at right, and so
Speaker 8: they were.
Speaker 5: Let off for a week. Did were you married at
Speaker 5: the time.
Speaker 8: You have kids, so yeah, you get I was married,
Speaker 8: and uh, you know people were calling me up offered
Speaker 8: me jobs, you know, relatives, and they said I get
Speaker 8: you work here structured or something like that. Right, and
Speaker 8: then eventually calmed down, you know after that that was it. Yeah, everybody.
Speaker 8: My brother in law is the school teacher. He got
Speaker 8: laid off. Uh, just you know a lot of people
Speaker 8: got laid off work for us. Then they had to
Speaker 8: reevaluate themselves and get them back on.
Speaker 6: There didn't didn't a lot of firehouses like you just
Speaker 6: like when you collect house tax or each guy was
Speaker 6: throwing a few extra books.
Speaker 5: I was going to say that, yeah, we did that.
Speaker 8: I remember the guys giving the guys money, and it
Speaker 8: lasted for a while and then and then it just stopped,
Speaker 8: you know, because I don't know why people were coming
Speaker 8: and going and uh transferring out and then and and.
Speaker 5: So what did they do? They called you up and
Speaker 5: they said you are like a week lady. You hired
Speaker 5: back again?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I think, yeah, I think they did
Speaker 8: call up in fact there you know, uh.
Speaker 5: You wanted to go, how did they Where did you
Speaker 5: go after that?
Speaker 8: I went back right back to the where I started,
Speaker 8: you know, the company, same company school.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of a lot of guys went somewhere else,
Speaker 5: right right, But you were able to go back to
Speaker 5: the squad.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, went back there. And he said we had
Speaker 8: some characters there too there from uh you know, everybody
Speaker 8: had a story behind them, and so it was an
Speaker 8: interesting place. And then when he finally had that's the
Speaker 8: room was. It's going to close like a two or
Speaker 8: three days. So it was working that day. A couple
Speaker 8: of guys from the shops come in, come in and
Speaker 8: the we're taking the bell. Yeah, the the bell you talk.
Speaker 8: You probably had that a big crawling thing on the bumper.
Speaker 5: I got it sitting right here seventeen engines when they just.
Speaker 8: Off the rig and they took it, took it to
Speaker 8: the shops and all that. And he says, because he
Speaker 8: knew somebody was gonna steal it, so there they wanted.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Then the next night they took the whole rig. So
Speaker 8: we were still free for that night and the next day.
Speaker 8: And the officers do what you want to do, you know.
Speaker 5: Work, what do they do? They send you somewhere else,
Speaker 5: So they.
Speaker 8: Just that was close. I went to uh we had
Speaker 8: papers in and I went to fifty. I put in
Speaker 8: for fifty and there was no contest. I mean between
Speaker 8: ninety two and in eighty two and eighty five and
Speaker 8: fifty and nineteen, it was just the best house. The
Speaker 8: deputies were the best. The officers were Tom Martin and
Speaker 8: they were real legends. And at a fire, you know,
Speaker 8: they really knew what they were doing. Tom Martins still around.
Speaker 8: He's he's at everything. He seemed he's at everything. Bob
Speaker 8: Love passed away a couple of years ago.
Speaker 5: But uh, so you said you transferred there in seventy six,
Speaker 5: the old quarters on one sixty sixth Street.
Speaker 8: We moved to the old Quarters in the seventy seven Maya.
Speaker 8: I think it was maya, seventy seven, and that's anohing.
Speaker 8: We were moving around the corner only, but we were
Speaker 8: moving with the rigs. We were moving everything until you know,
Speaker 8: we had lockers tied on the back step of the
Speaker 8: truck like, and we tied a bunch of stuff on
Speaker 8: the back of the engine. And after a while, you know,
Speaker 8: the captain, now we had a captain Sullivan to we
Speaker 8: really can't be doing this. This is insane and taking
Speaker 8: the runs in, you know, right, And so we called
Speaker 8: up the chief and they sent a whole bunch of
Speaker 8: guys from the shops. I don't know what they were
Speaker 8: like do to the guys, and they moved the rest
Speaker 8: of the the stuff out of the one house to
Speaker 8: the other. So we're in the brand new house and
Speaker 8: of course our appliances. We had a brand new refrigerator, stove,
Speaker 8: brand new kitchen, brand new house. Somebody took the refrigerator,
Speaker 8: you know, because at night they think nobody was in there.
Speaker 8: So then they had to put a garden there. Guy
Speaker 8: working over time. So the ghetto, right, and uh, but
Speaker 8: so let's day. I think it's all the city, the Burrows.
Speaker 8: I think the Bronx has at least changed Burrow. You
Speaker 8: know it's changed, like everything is. The hallm change like
Speaker 8: overnight before I got out there, and the columns are
Speaker 8: great thing.
Speaker 5: The areas of Brooklyn I've gentrified, like.
Speaker 8: Yes, it's crazy, yeah, it's uh dead and and it
Speaker 8: went fast. But the Bronx still you can ride around
Speaker 8: now and still the change, but not like it everybody
Speaker 8: else did.
Speaker 7: Right, Hey, look you mentioned the layoffs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you got rehired in a week because you had
Speaker 6: some seniority, but they were guys that were laid off.
Speaker 5: What two three years?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, a couple of years.
Speaker 5: I didn't know. It's that long thing, really, two three years,
Speaker 5: that's what I remember.
Speaker 6: What I in one thirty two there was a fellow
Speaker 6: by the name of Jimmy Polite who was the last
Speaker 6: guy to get rehired.
Speaker 5: And I think that was like seventy seven or seventy
Speaker 5: eight when he got rehired.
Speaker 8: Really yeah, yeah, what is thirty two? Is that the
Speaker 8: eye of the storm?
Speaker 5: Yeah, to eighty and one thirty two.
Speaker 8: Mt.
Speaker 5: Mcmahony, Yeah, Mike mcmannimon was in the engine.
Speaker 8: He's in twenty six truck there, I think so, yeah,
Speaker 8: I think he went there something.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's the same, if it's Mike mcminnimon,
Speaker 6: Is that who we're talking about?
Speaker 8: Okay, Okay, they to break his shoes big time, man,
Speaker 8: that it is.
Speaker 5: The same, it's the same one. What does this mean? Like?
Speaker 5: What is that? Nothing? Okay, well let that one go,
Speaker 5: all right. So you're talking about and here too, you
Speaker 5: got loading up the box with Matt Daily. It's a
Speaker 5: new book that's coming out in the spring.
Speaker 8: You have enough people signed up for to uh, so
Speaker 8: they're gonna print it. You know, you're gonna publish it.
Speaker 8: They just don't publish books unless they get a h
Speaker 8: you know, enough people said they're gonna buy it?
Speaker 5: Right? Who was who was about? Tell us a little
Speaker 5: about Matt Matt Daily because uh, the chief he's a
Speaker 5: connect guy.
Speaker 8: He's a connect guy, and he's a buff uh and
Speaker 8: he uh he was on the band photographer, you know,
Speaker 8: he and uh with us forever there and he had
Speaker 8: a stroke then probably about ten years ago. So he's
Speaker 8: he's a little tough to get around and all that,
Speaker 8: but he still takes his pictures and all that, and
Speaker 8: he buffs more or less. I had to rescue three. Right,
Speaker 8: we kid around all his pictures really from the from
Speaker 8: the from the Bronx and not from the Hall Water,
Speaker 8: from hall Im, not the Bronx and all that, but
Speaker 8: all those great pictures. You say, always look at the bottom,
Speaker 8: then you'll see it's by Mattie Daily.
Speaker 5: He's got a book coming out in the spring. We're
Speaker 5: gonna have to get it up there where you can
Speaker 5: find it because Lieutenant Chief Done was talking about it too, so.
Speaker 8: That's good if he's talking about it.
Speaker 5: H m.
Speaker 6: M.
Speaker 5: What's the title of the book. It's cold Loading up
Speaker 5: the Box by matt Daily.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Loading up the Box, that's the that's a uh,
Speaker 8: it's dispatches talk, you know, mean h on the radio
Speaker 8: when I want to fill out the box, I guess
Speaker 8: is it just.
Speaker 5: Going to be pictures or is he going to have
Speaker 5: interviews of different firefighters?
Speaker 8: It's good question. Good question. I'm not sure, but.
Speaker 5: Okay, well, we'll talk more about it when when it's
Speaker 5: ready to come out.
Speaker 6: Years ago, there was a buff in Brooklyn, Alex Dunchon,
Speaker 6: and he did the same thing. He published the book
Speaker 6: years ago. I haven't but it's old and it was
Speaker 6: called First Do and it's the same thing. It's he
Speaker 6: just buffed all the jobs in the Brooklyn ghettos.
Speaker 1: And Michael took a lot of good photos too.
Speaker 6: Captions you know who's working, but there's no interviews. But
Speaker 6: it's just all these pictures of flyers along the way. Yeah, well, Smike,
Speaker 6: who'd you said?
Speaker 2: Michael Dick also has some archive of great photos that
Speaker 2: are all over you see him a lot.
Speaker 1: Damn Powder posts a lot of them on Facebook.
Speaker 5: You have any pictures before we move into a lot
Speaker 5: of one twenty six bike? Do you want to get
Speaker 5: to that we haven't gotten.
Speaker 2: Too well, yep, let's do that right now before we
Speaker 2: get the truck. Twenty six is a show for school
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, that's I didn't know that. Had you even
Speaker 8: add that? I think Kevin o'hag you know Kevin o'hegg
Speaker 8: and Checky call him.
Speaker 5: No, he.
Speaker 8: He found his photo there somewhere. That's me in the
Speaker 8: middle in the front case.
Speaker 5: You can't see Wow, squad five helmets. Yeah, wow, you
Speaker 5: got the stashed out.
Speaker 8: Yes, I can't believe that.
Speaker 1: I just wanted a picture here.
Speaker 8: Before we use.
Speaker 5: November fifth, nineteen seventy five. I guarantee you the out
Speaker 5: of the two three hundred guys in there, most of
Speaker 5: them were even born at that time. Oh, Timmy clutching
Speaker 5: there where Timmy clutching the chat so is Chief Noel.
Speaker 8: Yep, that's that's I think I mentioned. They didn't mention
Speaker 8: that before. That's me tuning up on the pipe major
Speaker 8: at the time, tuning up Tommy Lockran's pipes there.
Speaker 5: I thought you was giving a little flick on the
Speaker 5: ear there or something. I don't know what you were doing.
Speaker 8: Turning them up. Tommy was I got. I was in
Speaker 8: his study group and he I taught him piping. He
Speaker 8: was in the piping class at all. And he was
Speaker 8: on his way to work one day and uh, coming
Speaker 8: down at the Conic where he had like a mini
Speaker 8: tornado or something. He took the top of a tree
Speaker 8: off and hit his car and he was killed. Wow.
Speaker 8: And that happened to be father Judge fighting Father Michael
Speaker 8: Judge's first job as a baby. Tom lived in Mayor
Speaker 8: pak that's crazy. Another his Jack McLachlan. Again, Uh, I
Speaker 8: didn't stay in the story in my whole life. I
Speaker 8: moved in a what year was it seventy four maybe
Speaker 8: seventy three? Moved to Carmel up in Putnam County.
Speaker 5: Well all the way upstate. Oh you bronx goat, that
Speaker 5: makes sense.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but one of there. We looked everywhere and the
Speaker 8: house we had was too small in the storia, so
Speaker 8: we gave it a shot and uh spent nine years
Speaker 8: there in Carmel.
Speaker 5: Beauty. Isn't that like right next to Mayo Pak.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's right next to my back there, it's a
Speaker 8: little above it. And we stayed there. We stayed there
Speaker 8: nine years, and we decided to come back because it
Speaker 8: was still rural and we came here, which was the
Speaker 8: flow part, which was the best move we haven't made.
Speaker 8: And uh, but the place was great up there. It
Speaker 8: was people didn't want to come up there anymore because
Speaker 8: it's always snowing, and they went to there, and but
Speaker 8: it was only fifty miles to the firehouse. Even though
Speaker 8: it sounded like it was six eighty four, it just
Speaker 8: opened up. It was a breeze to go down there,
Speaker 8: and there was no bridge to go over.
Speaker 5: So right, Gard lived there from Hazmat.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, he lived somewhere over there. Yeah, I remember him.
Speaker 8: I went to Hazmat School when it first they had
Speaker 8: it was on the department ordered anybody wants to go
Speaker 8: to a Hazmat school. So Jack Corchoran, myself, a whole
Speaker 8: bunch of guys went two weeks maybe three, and then
Speaker 8: we were so called technicians has Tex. Yeah, yeah, none
Speaker 8: do anything about it. But when I got promoted, I
Speaker 8: went to, uh, the fourteenth division. I was in an
Speaker 8: our group with Hazmat that was the stately you know,
Speaker 8: you had to be qualified. So I went there and
Speaker 8: it was pretty cool. Did over time there and uh
Speaker 8: did the our group and uh it was it was great.
Speaker 8: Before I worked at every single house in the fourteenth
Speaker 8: division and two our groups which overlapped the thirteen so
Speaker 8: so I uh, I could have hired out and and
Speaker 8: and went back to school and stayed in the Hasmad,
Speaker 8: but uh, I decided to go a different direction.
Speaker 5: Fire Bug was too strong in you. You couldn't know.
Speaker 8: It just wasn't fun, remember mcgardal and all that. Then
Speaker 8: I when I was at Sock, I went to school
Speaker 8: to the Hazmad school again and that was tough. That
Speaker 8: was that was the real deal. It was like a
Speaker 8: college chemistry course stuffed into two weeks O and uh yeah,
Speaker 8: I remember going there because just in sock.
Speaker 5: Any any companies, normal companies in the fourteenth that you
Speaker 5: kind of liked that you might have settled into if
Speaker 5: you didn't go back.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I one thirty eight truck. I wound up in
Speaker 8: the one thirty eight. I heard so much about it
Speaker 8: and that the Corona Tigers. Finally it's only got my ut.
Speaker 8: I got a signed there. I worked there and then
Speaker 8: the spot opened up, so I was hanging out in
Speaker 8: there till they filled it. But Jimmy's explained was in
Speaker 8: two eighty nine.
Speaker 1: Did you know him?
Speaker 8: He was Balloons they call him.
Speaker 5: Yeh, he was.
Speaker 8: He was quite a character there. But you know he
Speaker 8: was in the enginet right.
Speaker 5: Who was in the truck, Mike Pryor, He was in
Speaker 5: the truck.
Speaker 8: Prior Mike Pryor. That's a kids are all on the job.
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, yeah, and uh.
Speaker 8: They staying there. Then the spot opened and John Carrol
Speaker 8: was the captain, asked me if for I want to
Speaker 8: stay there, and he says, giving the band, he say, uh,
Speaker 8: Chief of Rourke is a good friend of his. He's
Speaker 8: just and no I'm asking you that, but he said,
Speaker 8: you get it. I said, I said, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 8: But uh, the guy I only got forty forty points
Speaker 8: when this one he was going by points and all that.
Speaker 8: He says. The guy who wanted it Edie Herding. He
Speaker 8: was a Brooklyn guy.
Speaker 7: He had like a truck.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it hurting a nice guy, perfect And he wound
Speaker 8: up getting the spot because he had the time and
Speaker 8: everything else and all that. And I thanked John caw for,
Speaker 8: you know, putting me in, but I said, no, no,
Speaker 8: I don't want to do that. You know, that's worse.
Speaker 8: You know, get somewhere, but you don't have the time
Speaker 8: or anything. So that was the story with that. So
Speaker 8: after that he got the spot, I bounced around some
Speaker 8: more and then I went to twenty six truck. Jack
Speaker 8: Corcoran back to that. He got me in Vinny Bowleet spot,
Speaker 8: the Union spot.
Speaker 5: So where was he was a lieutenant there at the time? Corkoran.
Speaker 8: He was a lieutenant Yes, Jack Corkoran.
Speaker 5: And how did you know him before that? From from from.
Speaker 8: Nineteen truck from fifteen nineteen he was in nineteen I
Speaker 8: was in the engine and we were just friends together.
Speaker 8: And he he lived up in Warwick. He was some Queens.
Speaker 8: He moved to Walwicks stay there for seven or eight years,
Speaker 8: and then he wound up coming back to Elmhurst. He
Speaker 8: lived right around the corner from the from my Rescue
Speaker 8: four right.
Speaker 5: He was captain of Rescue FO. Yeah, And I told
Speaker 5: you I met him because I had I have a
Speaker 5: side business of ATMs and it happened to have one
Speaker 5: in the bar that he was in, like you said,
Speaker 5: had his own personal seat there. And every time I
Speaker 5: go in there, he was such a gentleman. Sit down,
Speaker 5: talk to me. Let's talk about the fire department. Let's
Speaker 5: talk this. How do you like the squad? Just a nice,
Speaker 5: overall genuine man like you couldn't get a better guy.
Speaker 8: To him, you know, you couldn't get a better guy.
Speaker 8: And then became good friends, play golf together. And he's
Speaker 8: the one who's when I put in for Rescue four.
Speaker 8: He was going to bad for me, you know, and
Speaker 8: he got mad at me. He's say, anybody get mad?
Speaker 8: He says, I did all I could And you didn't,
Speaker 8: you know, because you knew von Essen and uh and
Speaker 8: and go to the mayor. You have to to commit
Speaker 8: the commissioner. Actually Vonasen's commissioners. You should have saw him
Speaker 8: and all that. So I didn't get the spot, but
Speaker 8: I stayed six months and there.
Speaker 5: I didn't know you even worked. You don't have you
Speaker 5: worked the rescue four for six months, no sock and
Speaker 5: six months, but you put in for the spot and
Speaker 5: rescue four.
Speaker 8: Yeah. It was always the big deal on because this
Speaker 8: is before the squads, right, So it was very very
Speaker 8: tight organization, right. You know, people didn't leave, you know,
Speaker 8: guys who had the spots and all that, right, So
Speaker 8: I stayed and then bounced around. It didn't bother me
Speaker 8: bouncing around. You know. They grew up in the city
Speaker 8: and knew where everything was.
Speaker 5: And did you enjoy being in sock? Was it a
Speaker 5: different Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The person who worked.
Speaker 8: Except except for two rescued too. You know, they get
Speaker 8: they had They're a different act. They're different, you know.
Speaker 8: And when I went in there, everybody knew who I was.
Speaker 8: I was the guy who didn't get the spot. Everybody
Speaker 8: is in the kitchen, yeah, and go hey, lo, what
Speaker 8: you working to night?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Where you're from? I'd say, uh, twenty six Struck and
Speaker 8: he says, oh, that's in Green Point, right, And well
Speaker 8: before that, I said, well, in the n fifty and
Speaker 8: nineteen and they were in uh you know, uh somewhere
Speaker 8: Long Island City, I am something or something like that.
Speaker 8: And you know, they were just they were just pulling
Speaker 8: my chain and I says, where we that before that?
Speaker 8: Five immediately got everybody's attention because they didn't know where
Speaker 8: it was. And I started telling them how we used
Speaker 8: to operate in ninety two, and I really laid it on,
Speaker 8: you know, because they knew they they were interested, then
Speaker 8: they were fascinated.
Speaker 5: I think that got their attention, right, it did.
Speaker 8: I enjoyed it. And Jimmy Jaggett was there, you know,
Speaker 8: Jimmy Jaggett. Yeah, he was a twenty six struck guy.
Speaker 8: So and the cracker Jack fireman. The guys when I
Speaker 8: used to go to work, my riding list were full
Speaker 8: of guys like that.
Speaker 5: And uh so you don't get joy, don't go to work,
Speaker 5: you don't get the spot in four. So you go
Speaker 5: up the twenty six truck.
Speaker 8: Yes, it's about it. They went up in the twenty
Speaker 8: six and they stayed there for fourteen years.
Speaker 5: But you had to, you were telling me in the
Speaker 5: pre show you had to go talk to a bunch
Speaker 5: of guys, right, you had to because it was the
Speaker 5: h It was the spot that was the UFO.
Speaker 8: Anny Bolan spot, right. Anny Bowlin was the off UFO
Speaker 8: way president and so it was his spot. So I
Speaker 8: had to see him. It was see him to get
Speaker 8: his blessing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 8: That's that's what he did at the union.
Speaker 5: Mean Dominus of you got the spot all right?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Factory right?
Speaker 8: Yeah? I think who else was some of the fire
Speaker 8: factory that have been he done? He worked there? Wait,
Speaker 8: I think in the enginet, the engine I think he.
Speaker 5: Was the chief of Hazmat Fanning he worked up there, right.
Speaker 8: Jack Fanning, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the guy. Yeah, good guy.
Speaker 5: Me and Louis tell this story all the time when
Speaker 5: we first came to the squad, like and we ran
Speaker 5: into you know, Chief Fanning or anybody else that has that.
Speaker 5: For that sake, you automatically put this this label on
Speaker 5: them like they've never been anywhere, right because they're in Hazmat.
Speaker 5: And you come to find out that Chief Fanny was
Speaker 5: like a twenty six truck. Then you see him at
Speaker 5: something and he's got a chest full of medals here like, wow,
Speaker 5: what an asshole? I was, man, thinking, this guy's never
Speaker 5: been anyway, you know, thirty two and he said, y're
Speaker 5: no right, but automatically, oh, he's in Hasbad.
Speaker 8: It was this guy, you know, he was in fifty
Speaker 8: nine truck in the engine eighty five and at this
Speaker 8: day that's it's one of those concert huts they call,
Speaker 8: you know. It was uh, it's uh what do you
Speaker 8: call those buildings there bits the.
Speaker 5: Tin house, the tin house, like the tin house in Brooklyn.
Speaker 8: It was the same thing to the truck and the engine.
Speaker 8: And then we'd squeeze in there and where was their roomauy,
Speaker 8: I know, in the back of the pool table and uh,
Speaker 8: we used to go there the terrible meals. The meals
Speaker 8: are like thirty five cents and you got the worth
Speaker 8: of food, you know, out of there. You know, we'd
Speaker 8: stayed at the.
Speaker 5: Slugging beans potato chips or somethinghere.
Speaker 8: And they had so much other places. It's eighty two
Speaker 8: was the same way they were. Uh. These they were
Speaker 8: all Dennis Smith was there at the time, I think, uh.
Speaker 8: And they had more people were buffs from everywhere going
Speaker 8: to eighty two engineer, you know.
Speaker 5: Probably especially after he came out the book, right, I
Speaker 5: mean crazy, yeah, it's.
Speaker 8: But the place was it wasn't like fifty nineteen anyway,
Speaker 8: and at the time, so.
Speaker 5: You're going on record is saying fifteen nineteen is the place.
Speaker 8: And and my son when he came on the job,
Speaker 8: he he went to nineteen truck.
Speaker 5: Ah, I won't know how that happened.
Speaker 8: Yeah, everybody says that, how that happen?
Speaker 5: Now, that happened. So he went to the truck and.
Speaker 8: Then he got promoted and he became a lieutenant fifty
Speaker 8: eight engine and he captain bounced around and he wound
Speaker 8: up in fifty engine. Look at that and uh, and
Speaker 8: he just retired, just left.
Speaker 5: Was the lieutenant in the fire Factory video? That's you?
Speaker 8: That's uh.
Speaker 5: Somebody says you were the lieutenant and the five factory video.
Speaker 1: They want to know if you were, if.
Speaker 5: You were his son?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was, Yeah, I was in the video, the video,
Speaker 8: the Firefactory video talking about the band. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: I was interviewed.
Speaker 5: There for that.
Speaker 8: H That was a while back. That's a lot of
Speaker 8: work there, twenty years.
Speaker 5: We're in twenty six.
Speaker 8: Would you say, of course we were, we were. You know,
Speaker 8: you can't say you're the Biggs of the best and
Speaker 8: all that, but you could say, you know, you can
Speaker 8: offend somebody, but top ten, you know, like, h.
Speaker 5: Were you there when for the Schomburg fire or did
Speaker 5: you get there after that?
Speaker 8: I was there. I wasn't working that day, but yeah,
Speaker 8: I was there for that. Jack Corkran was the officer
Speaker 8: okay at Corkoran.
Speaker 7: I was working and rescue one that day. I was
Speaker 7: fairly new and the rescue when I had that job.
Speaker 5: Is that the one that was the.
Speaker 6: Cockpac fire originally Hank or Yeah, yeah, twenty six was
Speaker 6: first new truck.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they're right down the block and he was at
Speaker 8: the door, the door of the apartment and it was
Speaker 8: cherry red as they're going down the hallway.
Speaker 6: Because the compact the shoots were right next to the
Speaker 6: entrance doors, so they people were jumping that, you know,
Speaker 6: they were jumping from a couple from one of the floors.
Speaker 6: I think there was like seven fatalis on three different
Speaker 6: floors there.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was well, the one of the pitchers before
Speaker 8: the two senior guys, Ed Roberts and Tom go back.
Speaker 1: To that on Mike. I think this was ninety Right here,
Speaker 1: there's just the two guys.
Speaker 8: They're in civilian close they Tom was the McCarthy. He
Speaker 8: was the chauffeur and standing next to the rig, the
Speaker 8: bodies were coming right next to him. Wow, kids, right.
Speaker 7: It was that's when there was still the two five
Speaker 7: battalion then, because I remember the aid on the they
Speaker 7: we had been turned around and we were heading back,
Speaker 7: and all of a sudden, the two five battalions.
Speaker 5: Transmit the second along. We got people jumping, and we
Speaker 5: turned around and started heading back.
Speaker 6: And yeah, and I remember fire was showing out the
Speaker 6: windows on three different floors, like the thirty third, thirty second,
Speaker 6: and then and then there was heavy smoke coming out
Speaker 6: of like the twenty seventh floor.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 7: It was a lot of fire in that old building.
Speaker 6: They had shut They were doing work on the sprinklets system,
Speaker 6: so of course they shut it off and it was
Speaker 6: never turned back on.
Speaker 5: For the weekend. And then the fire was in the
Speaker 5: compact to shoot and.
Speaker 6: That building was built with federal funds so it didn't
Speaker 6: have to meet the city ordinate the fire codes.
Speaker 7: And everybody, everybody was cut over. They couldn't get out.
Speaker 6: Of their apartments because the compacted shoot doors were right
Speaker 6: next to the entrance doors, so the fire was coming
Speaker 6: out and it was taking that whole wall. So The
Speaker 6: only place people would go was they either jumped or
Speaker 6: they would hunt it down in the corner.
Speaker 9: Back bedroom. Man, and they're going to do you jump?
Speaker 9: Jack said he thought he was going to die. Really
Speaker 9: the fire, I remember we hooked it up. We we
Speaker 9: ended up having a walk because the elevators went out
Speaker 9: of service. They were like Central correlevators. Water was coming
Speaker 9: down the shaft. So by the time we got there
Speaker 9: at elevators were with no goal. So we ended up
Speaker 9: booking it up.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, it was bad, bad fire. That's bad. Yeah.
Speaker 7: And so I just wondering, I don't know if you
Speaker 7: had that fire, but you said corkran had it?
Speaker 8: Huh Jack corkran down? Yeah the fire? Oh yeah, good
Speaker 8: just realized that where where you guys met together, Jack
Speaker 8: and the Grandstand Grant. Yeah, yeah, the guy just died recently.
Speaker 5: John Brown. Yeah, I know that. Yeah. He was a
Speaker 5: nice guy. Man.
Speaker 8: A couple of couple of times. You know you mentioned
Speaker 8: that name.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that Jack was just that was his home
Speaker 5: there and yeah, and what time you went in there,
Speaker 5: he was sitting in there, always open for a conversation too.
Speaker 8: Man, good good friend. I was one of his poll
Speaker 8: bearers and Yeah, that was good guy. We're gonna do it.
Speaker 8: So we worked together quite a bit.
Speaker 7: So you had obviously you had a ton of fire
Speaker 7: in your career, but when your time as a lieutenant
Speaker 7: in twenty six, you have one or two fires that
Speaker 7: particularly stick out, that were tough for something out of
Speaker 7: the ordinary happening.
Speaker 8: There was a picture before you might have saw my
Speaker 8: head at the window there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I think my son Timmy got that picture of that
Speaker 8: one there.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 8: And one thing I still ask my son with my
Speaker 8: hood I listen's before Hoods. I don't know when the
Speaker 8: Hoods came in before Hoods, because that's not I would
Speaker 8: have had it that. I'm on the second floor of
Speaker 8: the building. Here we look up. That's where thought the
Speaker 8: fire was went up there in the apartment. It was
Speaker 8: vacant apartment that it was chained closed, And luckily one
Speaker 8: of the guys he was from fourteen truck in fact,
Speaker 8: went down and got the bowl cutters and the two
Speaker 8: guys just took everything we had to break the chain
Speaker 8: and women in this apartment. In the middle of the
Speaker 8: apartment is a bathtub just sitting there and a lot
Speaker 8: to trip over that and we're looking around for the fire.
Speaker 8: And next thing, I fell through the floor there and
Speaker 8: I straddled like the beam from underneath. And the fire
Speaker 8: wasn't up there, it was down. It was in the cellar.
Speaker 8: Came up through the first floor and to the second
Speaker 8: and the fire came out the windows there and I
Speaker 8: went up up my legs and all that, and I
Speaker 8: got burnt, and I can't show it there. Got my
Speaker 8: ears burnt and all and all I thought about where
Speaker 8: was my proby had a proby too, from fourteen truck
Speaker 8: and he got out the entrance the way guy grabbed
Speaker 8: him and he went back in the hall. And I
Speaker 8: went to the window and looked out like a hundred
Speaker 8: firemen out there. They must have called in a second
Speaker 8: or third alarm right away. And my neighbor next door,
Speaker 8: Mike Monaghan, I saw him that day and he says,
Speaker 8: she was so lucky that that that came out and
Speaker 8: your managers not to fall through the floor there, you know.
Speaker 5: Just the being courts right, yeah, And then it just
Speaker 5: lit up.
Speaker 8: Everything lit up, so everybody was looking in the street
Speaker 8: up at the fire. Meanwhile, the fire was in the cellar.
Speaker 8: It was a Chinese restaurant and they left the cooking
Speaker 8: oil on and oil and uh. And on the first
Speaker 8: floor there was a Chinese restaurant, but they didn't go
Speaker 8: down the.
Speaker 7: Cellar and had the fire week in the floor.
Speaker 6: Or was it that the fact that there was a
Speaker 6: vacant apartment above that it was just rotted would just
Speaker 6: one of those things?
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 8: It was a vacant apartment. It was you know, rip
Speaker 8: the part and all that, even though they was still
Speaker 8: operating the Chinese restaurant down there. But that, uh, there
Speaker 8: was a lot a lot of fire there, and I
Speaker 8: don't know how I get out if I went down
Speaker 8: the ladder or I went out to the entrance door there.
Speaker 5: To wind up going to the burn.
Speaker 8: That uh yeah, the uh time, we actually just at
Speaker 8: the hospital, went back to the where I got a
Speaker 8: doctor there who was like the uh, gave me a
Speaker 8: lecture on the e is how important it is, how
Speaker 8: sensitive they are if they get burnt or anything any
Speaker 8: you know, you can get disease in this and that
Speaker 8: and all that. So he hit me down this way
Speaker 8: and that way, and then I went to the back
Speaker 8: to the firehouse that way, and oh what uproar that
Speaker 8: course they thought I was dead. You know that way.
Speaker 8: They thought it was a joke and I couldn't go
Speaker 8: home that way. You say, you walk in your house
Speaker 8: that way. Uh, yeah, you're gonna You're gonna be in
Speaker 8: big trouble. So that was it. The chief said that,
Speaker 8: he says, I've never been scared a fire to this one.
Speaker 8: We thought we were going to lose the three is
Speaker 8: up there and everything else, but it worked out.
Speaker 5: It wasn't your time. Excuse me, it wasn't your time.
Speaker 8: No no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 5: And this.
Speaker 8: We went to. We went to a lot uh fires,
Speaker 8: especially because I had and the guys I had with me,
Speaker 8: the same four guys you see in the in the
Speaker 8: uh there's other pictures there. They were the same four
Speaker 8: guys they used to work with all the time. Mike Fitzgerald,
Speaker 8: you don't rest he went to four.
Speaker 7: That's a different Mike Fitzgerald.
Speaker 8: Man, that's Paul Baldwin on the left. With that's Baldwin.
Speaker 8: There came the squat and Mike said, Gerald, me, and
Speaker 8: then Tom on he's the guy was telling you about.
Speaker 8: And these are the two senior guys. On the left
Speaker 8: is Tom McCarthy. He's the one who said he's operating
Speaker 8: the pumper and the bodies are crashing around him from
Speaker 8: Schomberg Wow, and Eddie Roberts there he's he's doing okay,
Speaker 8: but Tom's Tom's not doing too good. He's got dementia
Speaker 8: and whatever that sucks, not doing right.
Speaker 7: So had Baally Baldwin in your groups?
Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, his.
Speaker 5: Dad was the at one time before me. It was
Speaker 5: the captain of Rescue one. And then he ended up
Speaker 5: in Rescue one.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, okay, I knew somebody I thought, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: he wound up. They never came back though, you know,
Speaker 8: I don't know what happened to him.
Speaker 7: He could, they ended, We came't the squad to it.
Speaker 7: I haven't seen him.
Speaker 5: Yeah he's still you know what, Hank, You'll still hit
Speaker 5: me up once in a while on a text out
Speaker 5: of nowhere. Yeah, it's so strange. He's a strange bird.
Speaker 5: I love him. He's a strange bird.
Speaker 8: I worked in two eighty eight, two when it was
Speaker 8: before the squad.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry you got to go to sleep, ye sure,
Speaker 5: it was, yeah, to.
Speaker 8: To eighty nine. I had a couple of fires there. Yeah,
Speaker 8: that was a busy, busy place, and.
Speaker 5: One thirty eight had a huge response area man huge,
Speaker 5: Like if you're not from like if you're from Brooklyn
Speaker 5: or somewhere and you go to one thirty eight, like
Speaker 5: where the hell were we going home or something? But
Speaker 5: it's huge. The response area all the way from Flushing
Speaker 5: to Corona, sometimes the Loyal City, sometimes the Masmith Hike.
Speaker 5: It's just the response area is huge.
Speaker 8: He told me that when you when you go heading
Speaker 8: to Flushing, they shouldn't say that the stories, but they said,
Speaker 8: just when you go out there, you're signed second. Do
Speaker 8: you're going to be first?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: I don't know. They're trying to trying to tell me
Speaker 8: something that I know. And then but quite a few
Speaker 8: few fires. In fact, we had a fire, made a
Speaker 8: couple of grabs and we wrote one guy up there,
Speaker 8: let me tell you his name, and he got a
Speaker 8: B out of it, maybe something A or a B.
Speaker 8: And I got a letter from I get, uh, are
Speaker 8: taking into mission your second?
Speaker 5: Absolutely? What about you? You gotta take one intermission?
Speaker 7: I think he's looking for the letter. Yeah, we don't
Speaker 7: pull me into an intermission because you're thinking about it.
Speaker 5: I might be in a cup, bro, guys don't know already.
Speaker 1: Now you gotta halftime report has brought to you.
Speaker 5: By Louis Ricardo. Oh my girl, Cindy Drake is in
Speaker 5: the chat. Love Cindy, Love me some Cindy always watching
Speaker 5: the Cup of Joe. Listen to you, guys? Could you
Speaker 5: start sending some more stuff in? Bro run a little dry?
Speaker 5: I don't know how to keep asking you to sending pictures.
Speaker 5: I guess you guys have no company pride. You don't
Speaker 5: want to send them pictures of your rigs or your
Speaker 5: kitchen table or as far as you've been to send
Speaker 5: them in. Will you? What do I gotta do by
Speaker 5: show over the head every.
Speaker 1: Time in the chat. Joe Schneiderman, Joe snder.
Speaker 5: Is always in there. Timmy Cluk Clutt, Oh Johnny? Uh fipello?
Speaker 5: What's I love that? Ask Clut because I'm not I
Speaker 5: don't see the chat. Ask if he's going to be
Speaker 5: in Orlando in February, Clutt, you've gotta be in Orlando
Speaker 5: in February.
Speaker 1: Hank Watson out, Garretty has returned, Tenant, I.
Speaker 8: Am returned, but I have a problem. Yeah, Uh she
Speaker 8: fell last night? Oh no, yeah? And uh.
Speaker 5: Shet off Yeah, okay we could sign off, no problem whatsoever?
Speaker 5: You gotta you gotta do what you gotta do, my.
Speaker 8: Friend, do what I gotta do.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll do a part two.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll do a part too. Don't worry about it,
Speaker 5: don't do what you gotta do. We'll close out the show. Okay,
Speaker 5: take care, take care, good love. Look, it was no worries.
Speaker 5: Do what you gotta do. We understand, appreciate it. Got
Speaker 5: no problem. We'll have to h We'll get him back on,
Speaker 5: good guy.
Speaker 1: Back on, for sure. He has some more stories to tell.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, so Hank, how you making out of it.
Speaker 5: We love the fact that you have no problem with
Speaker 5: your internet anymore. I didn't want to say anything.
Speaker 1: Now that you said that. Now that you said that.
Speaker 6: One point when you had a picture of twenty six checks, Rick,
Speaker 6: it was getting a little crackling and stuff, and I
Speaker 6: was like, here we go.
Speaker 5: Even great. He Hanks to his new digs, his new
Speaker 5: palatial estates.
Speaker 6: Out there and wherever he is letters dance, and he
Speaker 6: said he's got his niece's wedding.
Speaker 5: So all right, sorry, we'll see this yet, Tim, Tim, Tim,
Speaker 5: I know I've been telling you this so like a
Speaker 5: million times. We got to do that training on engine
Speaker 5: ops that'd be good.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say really quick, just before it slips
Speaker 2: my mind. It's amazing you guys didn't work together, meeting
Speaker 2: you and the lieutenant. But it's amazing how many people
Speaker 2: you knowed it overlaps. Yeah, you guys ran in the
Speaker 2: same service.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, I'll tell you.
Speaker 6: Remember he mentioned that fellow Ed Herding, Yes, right, and
Speaker 6: I said, oh, Ed Herding went fourteen.
Speaker 7: Yes, I tell you, I mean Ed was a senior guy.
Speaker 6: Because the way I met ed Herding was I was
Speaker 6: a youngster working for Pan American Airways and I had
Speaker 6: taken the test to be a city fireman.
Speaker 7: I was waiting to get called, but I was still
Speaker 7: at pan AMS.
Speaker 5: This was like nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 6: And one day they told me we need you to
Speaker 6: drive these papers or something. It was somewhere in Brooklyn,
Speaker 6: so I, you know, they gave me directions. It was
Speaker 6: you know, there was no phones with GPS's right, it
Speaker 6: was like a written direction. So I'm you know, I
Speaker 6: take my car and on the way there, I noticed
Speaker 6: I passed the firehouse. It was like it was one fourteen,
Speaker 6: and I forget the engine. If it wasn't, I think
Speaker 6: it was a single.
Speaker 5: House, single house and then now there was two on
Speaker 5: one I believe. So on the way back after I
Speaker 5: dropped out, I says, you know what I'm going to go.
Speaker 6: So I stopped my car and I knock on the
Speaker 6: door and I'm and uh, Ed Herding answers the door.
Speaker 5: He was on housewatch, really, so I said to him, Hey,
Speaker 5: how you doing.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm I'm waiting to get hired on the job,
Speaker 6: and uh, you know, I just had to be passing
Speaker 6: the firehouse. I'm working at pan am right now, but
Speaker 6: I got a few minutes to kill. So he'sa come
Speaker 6: on into the firehouse.
Speaker 5: So he you know, he brought me in.
Speaker 6: We went to the back, had a couple of coffee
Speaker 6: guys were there. They were real nice, you know, we
Speaker 6: were just talking.
Speaker 5: And everything, and.
Speaker 6: You know, and I always remembered, you know, Ed Herding
Speaker 6: was the guy that let that led me into the flyhouse.
Speaker 5: It was a real nice guy on the job. You
Speaker 5: know that is left a lock of circle. Yeah right, yeah,
Speaker 5: somebody's asking, oh, I think Frank yourself is about the Yes,
Speaker 5: Louis and I will be at the Long Island Show.
Speaker 5: That is the thirty first, first and second thirty, first
Speaker 5: of January, first and second of February. Come into the booth,
Speaker 5: hang out with us. Frankie knows. You know, Frank We
Speaker 5: have a couple of you know what I mean, a
Speaker 5: couple of o's. We tell fire stories a lot of
Speaker 5: big weeks there, Come on down. I had the thinking
Speaker 5: that Mike did somebody race it to Ganto race it.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to ch is it here?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 5: There it is? Check it out well on Expo January thirty,
Speaker 5: first February second, Nasal Coliseum. Come out and see us
Speaker 5: there we go there. Before we go, we have to
Speaker 5: play the FRC commercial.
Speaker 1: We certainly do.
Speaker 8: We do.
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Speaker 5: All right, so my old school health and safety tip
Speaker 5: and then is something that Hank and I were talking
Speaker 5: about in the pre show. If you got a problem,
Speaker 5: get it fixed, right, Hank, I mean, this is what
Speaker 5: we're talking about. I'm getting my knee replaced, but I
Speaker 5: should have got that done five, six, seven, eight years ago,
Speaker 5: because then it leads to other problems. Now my hips
Speaker 5: bothering my mother, other knee is bothering me. So safe
Speaker 5: thing goes for anything. High blood pressure leads to a
Speaker 5: ton of other medical complications. So if you have something,
Speaker 5: we got medical coverage, go get it taken care. Because
Speaker 5: one problem leads to another problem, leads to another problem. Right.
Speaker 10: We do talk about the psychological end, and we talk
Speaker 10: about the heart and all that, but when you do
Speaker 10: a job like a firefighter, and you do it for
Speaker 10: twenty twenty five years, you also have lots of orthopedic problems.
Speaker 5: You don't tend to talk about that as much.
Speaker 6: You know, on the air, we talk about it when
Speaker 6: we get together. But you get beat up, you know,
Speaker 6: you're wearing a mask on your back. I don't hardly
Speaker 6: any fireman that don't have some type of compressed vertebrates
Speaker 6: haven't had an injury where they need the shoulder operated
Speaker 6: on and knee operating on, and and then you're good
Speaker 6: when you're young because you're rebound. Then when when you're
Speaker 6: retired and like you say, we're talking about now, you know,
Speaker 6: and you're looking for quality of life. You work your
Speaker 6: whole life, so hopefully you can enjoy your retirement. You
Speaker 6: find out you got you know, you're limping all over
Speaker 6: the place because it is or that. Don't wait to
Speaker 6: get it taken care of, Get it taken care of,
Speaker 6: because they're very good at putting you know, metal parts
Speaker 6: in us.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I'm doing stuff now since I had
Speaker 7: my knee replace that I didn't do for you know,
Speaker 7: ten years, so, like I said, should have got it
Speaker 7: done sooner.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Mike's looking at what are you talking about? Like
Speaker 5: he's twenty something years old. He's not even paying attention.
Speaker 7: My cement heads.
Speaker 8: You know I can do this.
Speaker 5: I can do it. You can. But it's also you know,
Speaker 5: a better way. Here's another thing to listen to your wife.
Speaker 5: Because my wife's been telling me for eight years, why
Speaker 5: don't he replace, Why don't get me replaced by replaced?
Speaker 5: I'm like, ah, so finally now that my legs are
Speaker 5: going this way, I have to get it replaced me.
Speaker 5: That's it's all I got Mike listen. I hope my Hank.
Speaker 5: Thanks for coming in short notice. I appreciate the wop
Speaker 5: swap tonight. Man, it's awesome, my pleasure. Uh, everybody praying
Speaker 5: for my boy Louis. I love him. He'll be fine.
Speaker 5: He's on the mend. We'll get him back here soon.
Speaker 7: Is the anniversary of the Father's Day fire coming up?
Speaker 5: Sooner?
Speaker 8: Am I wrong?
Speaker 1: June?
Speaker 5: Father's Day?
Speaker 7: June, not Father's Day?
Speaker 1: The Black Black Sunday?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 1: Next week?
Speaker 5: Yeah, next week? I know it was coming up third, Okay,
Speaker 5: we also coming up. I just booked a guy who
Speaker 5: does documentaries. He's an award winning documentary Uh, he's do
Speaker 5: He put together documentary on volunteer firefighters. It's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 5: We're gonna have him on. We're gonna show the trailer
Speaker 5: and we're gonna have a viewing. It's gonna be up
Speaker 5: here in New York somewhere, but we're gonna rent out
Speaker 5: a theater and do a viewing. It'll be a great thing.
Speaker 5: I don't remember when he's on. Sometime in February. One
Speaker 5: more thing, Chief es Bo.
Speaker 6: If you're listening, if you're out there, can you get
Speaker 6: my boy, Kevin and Louis into the shops place.
Speaker 5: I want to do it.
Speaker 7: And there's a lot of people that other departments that
Speaker 7: are interested.
Speaker 5: In our shops.
Speaker 7: When they the size of it and what gets done there.
Speaker 5: You would think the guy sat next to him and
Speaker 5: rescue school. But now he's a big week. Now he's
Speaker 5: chief of the apartment. I can't talk. Let's let's get
Speaker 5: them into the shops.
Speaker 7: I think that show won't be as big as the rock,
Speaker 7: but it'll be up there.
Speaker 5: It'll be up to everybody. I love you, I love
Speaker 5: the rake. Bro. Come on, all right, I'm right now.
Speaker 5: Soon as we hang up. All right, all let's say yo,
Speaker 5: chief Fastball, let's go, come on you, Johnny, Johnny, let's go.
Speaker 5: All right. That's all I got. You got anything else?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: We have a shout out, ton I Mike.
Speaker 1: Shot a few shoutouts after this. But first let me
Speaker 1: share the screen here so we can highlight this one
Speaker 1: stand by. Take it away, coops.
Speaker 5: Oh you have to read it, Mike. I can't read
Speaker 5: what my fucking glasses from here.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this is Avon Volunteer Fire Department Deputy Chief
Speaker 2: Dave TERRYO.
Speaker 1: I hope I'm pronouncing that right. If I'm not, I
Speaker 1: sincerely apologized.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: He unfortunately is currently battling cancer. Pardon me while I
Speaker 2: get that back to the tap, and this is his
Speaker 2: go fund me. We're gonna paste the link in the chat, uh,
Speaker 2: just so you could assist naturally. As you can imagine,
Speaker 2: during a process like this, the bills can pile up
Speaker 2: and it can get to be a lot. So I'll
Speaker 2: copy and paste that link in the chat so you
Speaker 2: can contribute to its go fund me. Of course, all
Speaker 2: the proceeds will go to his family pay for his
Speaker 2: cancer treatment. So please keep him and his family and
Speaker 2: your prayers during this very difficult time. We know how
Speaker 2: evil cancer can be, and we want to make sure
Speaker 2: that we get not only look after the chief any
Speaker 2: way that we can, but his family as well.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Mike. Also, we got producer Pete making his comeback.
Speaker 5: He's coming on the show. He's gonna talk about everything
Speaker 5: he saw out in California. We'll talk about the fires
Speaker 5: a little bit, and our prayers go out to the
Speaker 5: brothers and the people who lost so much out there.
Speaker 5: And I know it's a big political mess. I've had
Speaker 5: problems on Facebook guys all over the place on this
Speaker 5: and all I asked you to them to be is
Speaker 5: just be respectful. But he got out of control. We
Speaker 5: had to start deleting chats. But anyway, we're gonna have
Speaker 5: Pete on and we're gonna talk about those fires in
Speaker 5: a respectful manner. So if you're in the chat and
Speaker 5: you get out of control, Mike over here is gonna
Speaker 5: boot your ass right out. But we will be having
Speaker 5: him on as well. And we got a couple other
Speaker 5: guests I don't know on my phone, but.
Speaker 7: The first response is out there busting their ass.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, man, right, they don't need to be second
Speaker 5: guessing them. Now. We can leave the politics for later.
Speaker 5: This is not about a political agenda. It's about the
Speaker 5: brothers in the thehood nation, bro, And like you said,
Speaker 5: all the people that are affected all in the same country.
Speaker 5: So I think I heard today eleven thousand structures burnt
Speaker 5: to the ground. Eleven thousand. That's crazy, it's insane. Insane.
Speaker 5: Hank again, thank you, Look great man, Look at you
Speaker 5: with the ten he's at the head of head now
Speaker 5: he's not even limping around. It's it's uh, it's fabulous.
Speaker 5: It's been a curse. I've had my whole life. What
Speaker 5: could ill?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 5: I hope you get the call soon. I just talked
Speaker 5: to Procaccini and LOUI are going down there to film
Speaker 5: a show and Mike get sworn in. Uh yes, you're
Speaker 5: going out to dinner, even if Salty has to pay.
Speaker 5: As long as your mom's just next to me at
Speaker 5: the table, We're all good, broel.
Speaker 7: Got alevehead Nation.
Speaker 5: Be safe out there.
Speaker 2: A couple of shout outs really quick before we go
Speaker 2: going's belated well these three shoutouts, so see guys a Saturday.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Jake Gannon and Eric Staalzer and Sarah
Speaker 2: Elkins from b Schiff look forward to see you guys
Speaker 2: a Saturday. And a belated shout out to my friend
Speaker 2: Kyle Lang. He's on where Procaccini is now. He just
Speaker 2: graduated last one for the Stanford Fire Academy, so.
Speaker 5: Awesome, good stuff. Procaccini told me that you guys go
Speaker 5: to a lot of work over there.
Speaker 1: He said, uh yeah, yeah, Stanford's busy and New Haven's
Speaker 1: busy too.
Speaker 5: The way, Bro, Mike can't wait to see stor fire
Speaker 5: stories with him. Hank look at him. Can't wait till
Speaker 5: he buses Sherry, I hear you all right, guys, We'll
Speaker 5: see you next week. Remember setting your stuff in Coobs
Speaker 5: Podcast at gmail dot com. Send your stuff in for
Speaker 5: the Cup of Joe and Fueger if you want to
Speaker 5: keep it going until then, We'll see you next week.
Speaker 2: Stay loan and go alright, Everyboddy, I'll be half of
Speaker 2: Hank Malay and Kevin Coobler and Mike Clone.
Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Fransmit the seventy three Working
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