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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Casey. Casey,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for being here. We appreciate
your time. Casey, please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I believed in our city boy. I was
born in Dorchester, Massachusetts, always had family in New Hampshire.
Most of my family is in New Hampshire. Been vacationing
up here for about twenty years. We have everything from
seasonal campers to r v's stuff like that, and we
really enjoy camping, me and my family. So I would
come up here for my family a lot for gatherings
and birthdays and all that type of stuff. And then
I decided to move here to conquer New Hampshire with
my daughter who's now eight, who's my life. But I
moved up here and I have a seasonal campground in Lincoln,
New Hampshire, which is in the White Mountain National Force
rist Star right literally smack dab in it pretty much.
It's a beautiful place. I've been going there for years.
I like sports, I like I really like walks. I
like I like the I like being free. I like
dirt bikes. I the typical, I guess you could say,
the typical thirty four year old. I happen to be successful.
I run a transportation business. You know. I just enjoyed
the outdoors, always have me and my family, like I said,
and I am just an all around good man. I
I've always been in the city, but I come out
here as well. And when I moved out here, I
really started, you know, seeing what God had to offer
and all the beautiful things in in the world. And
then you know, in the forest, I just think it's beautiful.
And me and my girlfriend we share that. And we
we love hiking. We love true we love new things,
we love trails, we love everything. We travel in our
rv R our camper. We have a camper now. So
I mean, I'm just, I guess, your typical guy that
owns a business, that loves the outdoors and tries to
make the best out of life.
Speaker 2: For a lot of reasons, more so than just the
fact you love the outdoors the way you do. I
hate the fact you had to have those dogs me
in the counters that we're going to talk about tonight,
I really do hate that. But have you been on
any walks in the woods since he had those experiences?
Speaker 1: I have to say no, that I'm not. I have
not been on any an he walks through the woods
since my encounters.
Speaker 2: No, no, I understand, and can't say I'll blame you
at all. That's how I expected it to be. I
didn't see any way that you would have gone on
any walks in the woods.
Speaker 1: I just feel I'm not ready yet, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: No, that does make sense. Yeah, you're not ready yet.
It's going to be some time before you are ready
to head back into the woods. And I'm so glad
you didn't make the mistake of trying to head back
in Thank goodness for that. But of course we're going
to get into why I'm saying these things, and just
a bit here, but all in good time. Casey, your
dog mean, the counter has happened just a few weeks ago.
Please tell us what you've gone through these past few
weeks and the scope of all this.
Speaker 1: Well, obviously it's been tough. It's I think about it
every day and I try to understand it and analyze
it in my head, and I just try to understand
how something like that exists and it just doesn't. It
should not exist in it and it it just throws
me for a loop, and I just I try to
understand it, and I try to realize that. I mean,
I wasn't going it's just, yeah, these past few weeks
have been hard, but I'm making a headway, if that
makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely does seem like you're making headway. And
like we talked about before, it's a process. It's gonna
take time, but it sure does sound like you're getting there,
and that's wonderful. Unfortunately, right before I called Casey for
the first time, he actually vomited because of how traumatic
those experiences were. And when you listen to him talk
about what he's been through when he went through those encounters,
I think you're going to understand why. You know, you're
not cured, you're not totally back to good yet, but
I'm just I'm so glad that you're doing so much
better than you were. I mean, listening to you talk
now compared to that first conversation. We had a difference
because you were really in a bad way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really appreciate I mean, other people that have
had encounters with these things or experiences there. It's it's
something that really is out of this world. It's yeah,
and I've made a lot of headway and I'm trying
to make peace with it. But at the same time,
I'm taking my time with it because I, like you said,
it's a process, and you're absolutely right with everything that
you You're spot on.
Speaker 2: It is a process. It's going to take time. How
much time it takes, obviously, it depends on the nature
of the encounters that an eyewitness has had. You got
some bad encounters, so naturally it's going to take longer
for you to get over them and actually get back
to good. But like I said, you're making good progress,
and as long as we can say that, then that's
a great thing. I'm wondering, though, Casey, if you had
a single good night's sleep since those experiences happened.
Speaker 1: I've had a few dreams. I actually got prescribed anxiety
medicine because of the encounter. I was having some anxiety,
so I went to the hospital and got prescribed anxiety
medication because I wasn't sleeping and I but at the
same time, I'm sleeping now and I'm sleeping and I'm
working through it. And the more that I work through
it and speak about it and I feel it's better
for me, it helps me in some way to know
that I'm not the only one.
Speaker 2: Oh far from it. Yeah, you know people who have
had encounters with these things, but you don't know they
had their encounters because they just kept it to themselves.
That's why I say it's kind of like a prison
with no walls when you have a dog mean encounter
in a lot of cases, because you're just terrified to
share it with family and friends. You're afraid that they're
going to deride you and it's going to be the
worst decision of your life to tell them. So I
get it. Yeah, I really do. If you've had a
dogman encounter, I would like to speak with me about it,
whether I'm private or on the show. Please go to
Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. You've been camping
at that campground that you told us about for about
ten years running for the experiences that we're going to
talk about tonight. Happened. With that in mind, on any
of those prior trips to the campground, had anything strange happened.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, that's one of the craziest things
is that No. For ten years, me and my family
had been camping at this RV park on the Pemmajuast
River in Lincoln. It's called the Pemi River Campground. It
is literally right on the river. There's an old trestle
where they used to have trains, and it's just a
beautiful place with beautiful water. And No, it had always
been a beautiful, amazing place to me and I had
been in the woods I don't know how many times
and never had a problem. Never, no, no. And that's
the thing is, in ten years, no, not one thing,
not one, not one thing. I had no idea.
Speaker 2: I no, Well, it sounds like a really nice place
to go camping. I just hate the fact you had
to have those experiences. That's just awful, but it is.
I mean, we can't control whether you have an experience
like that or not, so all we can do is
just try to deal with it the best way we can.
All right, Casie, please tell us about your encounters. Now,
give us every last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, oh god, okay. So me and my girlfriend,
we are avid hikers outdoors. We like sunsets well, just
like any couple. So when we go up to the camper,
it's kind of like our solitude. It's our way of
getting out of the busy life and and just taking
a moment out to really enjoy the outdoors and enjoy
each other's time. So we make a big, kind of
a big thing of it. But on this particular weekend,
it was the last weekend obviously for the seasonal campgrounds.
I keep it there, I don't move it. I pay
a couple thousand dollars for them to do everything with
all the hookups, but on this particular weekend, Now I
want to make it clear. I have a dog whose
name is Callie. She is a hundred pound pitbull. She's
actually one hundred and one pounds, and she's the sweetest
girl ever. And I take her. It's usually me and
my girlfriend and my dog, and that's how we you know, obviously,
we take the dog with us everywhere, just like any
family would. I would, I would think. And my girlfriend
wasn't feeling well. She came down with something. But this
is one of the first times that I actually went alone.
I told her that, you know what, you don't feel well,
I still want to go hiking. Can you please drop
me off at the trailhead and pick me up in
an hour, just so I can get a picture of
the sunset for us. Because anybody who knows New Hampshire
in the White Mountains, if you don't know, I can
tell you it's it's beautiful. You got Franconia, Notch, you
got the White Mountains, the trees in the fall time
in October, in September, late September October is absolutely stunning beautiful.
I mean, I mean it is. God, It's breathtaking. So
my intention was to have her drop me off at
this trailhead go up with my dog. I had prepared
some snacks, which was just the normal stuff, and I
was gonna have her drop me off of this trailhead
and pick me up in an hour. It was, you know,
it was like any other hike. It was like any
other thing. It was still light out. It wasn't dusk yet,
but anybody who knows stick Woods knows that it could be.
It could be light out. But when you walk in
the woods. The trees give it cover and make a
little darker. So okay, So I go. She drops me
off with my dog, and I want everybody to understand
that I carry a pack, a backpack. It's a north
Face backpack, and this backpack contains everything, just because I've
heard so many stories about people that run into you know,
I was. There's enough stuff in that backpack to keep
you alive for a month, meaning everything from antibiotics to
raps if you get hurt for st aid kits I
actually have. And this comes into play later. So I
have two machetes that are e clipped to the so
on each side of me with this backpack. So as
I'm walking, this backpack is about fifty pounds and I
never I always carry it and at least I know,
and so from my mind I was safe. No matter
what happened, I was gonna be okay because I had
that pack. Little did I know. So my girlfriend at
about five o'clock PM Eastern time, drops me off at
this trailhead and she gives me the regular wave kiss goodbye,
and I walk. Now, when you go into this trailhead,
the trails about ten t wide maybe, And I was
walking in the middle with my dog. And as soon
as I go in the trailhead, it's fine. I'm having fun.
My intention is to just get a good picture, enjoy nature,
enjoy my dog, the time with my dog. I love
my dog. She's part of my family. I'm sure everybody
can relate to that. I just my girlfriend wasn't feeling well,
and then that was fine with me, so I wanted
to kind of make her happy and cheer her up.
So I wanted to go up a little bit in
the mountain and take some pictures and take some pictures
of the foliage and stuff that I do all the time.
So I'm walking up the trail, and as I'm going
up the trail, I'm fine for about a quarter mile,
I would say, not as the crow flies, but I
as walking. So I maybe walked a quarter mile up
and it's not straight up, but it's more of and
this is a regular trail that people walk all the
time time. It's very clear that this trail is maintenanced.
I don't know people know that the Appalachian Mountains also
run through the White Mountains, so it's it's a place
of I just wanted to go there. I had a
feeling like I wanted to go there. So I wanted
to do this hike and get these pictures. And that's
what my focus was on. Some walking and my dog
is running around sniffing everything and and and being a dog,
and we stop for a minute, we have a couple
of snacks. It was. It was a regular hike, and
until it wasn't. I go up and I all of
a sudden, out of nowhere, out of nowhere, I see
I see a rock that would be perfect to take
pictures on. It would be perfect because they had a
little clearing on it where I could see above the
trees and the foliage and get the pictures of the
sunset for my girlfriend who would be picking me up. Now.
I'm about she's picking me up in an hour. I'm
about thirty minutes in. Oh god. So as we're walking,
my dog stops dead. And when she did that, the
hair on the back of my neck stood up. Because
my dog is one hundred pounds people. She's not scared
of much, and I've never seen her act that way.
And I was like, what's this? What's a man of girl?
You okay? You all right? And she was like.
Speaker 2: And I was like, hey, Casey, not to interrupt you,
but please remember feel free to take as many breaks
as you need while we're doing this. There's no rush,
thank you.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I'm sorry. The encounter is just okay. So okay,
my dog stops dead and and she is whining and crying,
and I'm trying to ask her, baby, what's wrong, because
she said she's she's a female, And I said, baby,
what's wrong? You're okay, what's going on? And she started
whining and she looks at me and takes off down
the trail, back to the trail head. I don't even
know where my dog is at this point. I just
so as I'm watching my dog run, okay, I turned
my head back around and what I see this thing?
I don't It walks on It was on all fours
at first, and it walks out and it literally is
ten feet from me. I mean, this thing is so
close to me. And I instantly knew, I instantly, I
mean the head so I looked. Instantly, I knew this
is not a wolf, this is not a bear, This
is not I know what type of wildlife. I know
what type of wildlife is out here. This is not right.
The head on. This thing was so big and it's
on all fours. At this point, I am rooted to
the spot. I cannot move because I'm in sheer terror.
I I didn't understand what I was looking at At first,
I did not. I mean, everybody's heard the word sasquatch, bigfoot, whatever,
But this thing should not exist, man, it shouldn't be.
It shouldn't be there, like like, this thing is not right,
it's not God. So as soon as it walks out,
I can instantly see its head and you got to
remember this is it's not totally dark out yet, so
I can see this thing and very very just details.
It had a barrel chest, and I noticed that when
it walked out. And the other thing I noticed is
its eyes. It was an amber color eyes, but they
there was something about the eyes, man that we're just
terrifying and intelligent. So as it's walking on all fours,
it snarls at me, not loud, but oh God, with
snarls at me. And I immediately noticed that the back
of these things it has like dog's feet, right like like, oh,
it has pads just like a dog would, but on
the front is hands and I can see it and
it goes to the middle of the trail right in
front of me. Oh lord, and it stands up on
all It stands up on its two legs. And as
it's doing this, I can only explain it to somebody
as if if you've ever heard, you know, when you
crack something, and it's really it's like you accidentally cracked
your arm or something, and it's really loud. When this
thing stood up, it was I could hear the bones cracking,
almost like it had been on all fours for a
long time. Oh God, excuse me, just fine, thank you, Okay,
all right, all right, So this thing stands up. And
when it stands up, I realized that it has hands
like you and me would have hands. It has five.
It has a thumb and actual thumb. It has a
barreled chest. The head on it is elongated to the
point where the head was unproportionate to its body, like
it didn't belong, like like almost like it was it
didn't belong. I'm trying to figure out I'm rooted to
the spot, I got two machetes. I'm not thinking about anything.
So as soon as it stands up, as soon as
it stands up, it starts it puts his hands up.
Oh my god, it puts his arms up, and it
starts wiggling its fingers, and I'm looking at its eyes,
and its eyes are looking at me, and then it's
looking it's like a dog would if a dog puts
its if it's a snout, and it's looking at something intently.
That's what it was doing to me. And it was
looking at my machetes, to me, back to my machetes,
back to me. And it started wiggling its claw. And
this thing, man, this thing had three to four inch
claws and they were at least an inch stick and
it Oh god, so.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, you want to take a little break.
Speaker 1: No, sure, okay. So when this thing starts wiggling, it's
I think it's about to attack me. I think that
I am dead in the water. I truly thought that
that was it for me, that I was gonna that.
I truly thought that that was it. I need no
other way to explain it. And I was terrified. I mean,
nothing can prepare you for something like that. Man, I
I it was. It was. So this thing is up
on two eggs and listens ten feet away from me.
It could have grabbed me. It was so close to
me that the next thing it did, while it's wiggling
its fingers at me, looking at me intently, my dog
and you and my dog is gone. For everybody who's listening,
my dog is gone. Okay, So this thing Bocoa. The
next thing it did with its hands up while it's
wiggling its fingers like it was something I can't even
begin to agree. It was wiggling its fingers, and when
it vocalized at me, I was so close to it.
I saw the back of its throat. That's how close
this thing was to me, and I couldn't move. I
in my mind, I'm like, if I run, I'm done.
If I do anything else, I am done. After it vocalizes,
I vomit because of the reverberation from this thing being
so close to me and vocalizing.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 1: It made me vomit. And after I vomited, I looked
back up to it and it glasps a tree as man,
I'm talking about pine trees like these are strong trees.
These are not trees that you can just push over.
This thing gouged. I mean it slapped that tree so
hard and with its claws, with its hands, I don't
know what the heck it was, but it did it,
and it was the most terrifying thing, and it so
and after that, it just goes back on all fours,
snarls at me, and walks back in the woods. And
I am stuck. I am thinking to myself, Oh, what's
going on here? What the heck is that? What did
I just witness? Did I just witness a demon? Did
I just witness it? Because I've heard people, I mean
sasquatches on TV. I mean, I don't know. I you know,
I understand about that, but this thing, it shouldn't exist. Man.
The head was not proportionate. It had a barrel chest.
How I want to describe it for those listening. The
head was elongated like a dog, like a German. If
you've ever seen a German shepherd, I want you to
take that head and times it by five, and then
I want you to take the jaw power. I can't
imagine the damage this thing could have done if it
wanted to, and it had me dead to rights, it
could have ripped me whim for whim. And I wish
I could say that this was the end, but it's
not not even close. So it leaves and as it
leaves and I can no longer see it. It is.
It is in the thick trees, and I gathered my
wits about me, and I don't care if I arm.
I don't. I don't hunt. I don't, I don't really.
I mean, I know a lot of people do that,
and my family does that, but she's not my thing.
So I don't carry firearms. And I just started walking back.
I got my wits about me. I started walking back
down the trail, and right before I turn around to
walk back down the trail, dude, this, I see something
huge step out of the woods, and instantly in my
head I say, not again, not again, not again, please,
not again. But then I realize something that now at
this point it's about to get dark the sun, I've
already missed the sunset. So I need to get back
down to the car. I know that, but I don't
want to run. And I see about one hundred feet
up up the trail from me was a sasquatch. Man.
I don't like a sasquatch. I don't get it, but
it was there, and it was about one hundred feet
away from me. So I just instantly started walking, power walking,
and the whole time. I'm crying, I wet myself, I puked,
I'm walking, I'm walking. I finally get to the car,
and I can't tell you how amazing it was. When
I got to that car and I kept in Here's
another thing. I kept looking back, and every time I
looked back to Sasquatch was doing a hand motion like
almost shoeing me away, if that makes sense to anybody,
if so, if you, And it was making a sound
and I'm gonna try to mimic this, but there's no
way I could. And it would go oh rah rah rah,
and I man, I'm so I can't explain to you.
So when I get into the car, this isn't the end.
I wish you I'd go, God, I wish this was
the end, but it's not. So I go. And you
got to remember. So the trailhead, I want to tell everybody.
The trailhead was only a quarter mile from my camper,
so we're talking about not far. So. So I get
in the car and my girlfriend looks at I look
at my dog in the backseat and she is shaking.
And my girlfriend goes, what happened? And I said, I
was speechless. Man, I didn't know what to say. I
just told her that get out of here as fast
as you can, please. So we drive back to the camper.
I give her a little bit of information, but I'm
not trying to scare her either, because we're still in
the camper. We're still there for one more night, and
now I know that these things are so close. So
we're in the camper. Oh god, we're in the camper,
and in my camper, we have a thirty foot frontier.
It's a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful camper. And as we're doing that,
we're just hanging out and she's trying to calm me down,
and she's trying to help me. She's an amazing woman.
And I hear the lock. So in order to open
up a door, okay, or my door to my camper,
you have to lift the watch and you have to
like pull it out. I had the door locked, of course.
I mean, after the experience I just had, I couldn't
stop crying and thinking about it, and it was just
a mess. So I hear this. I hear this lock
go up like something is trying to open it. My
girlfriend jumps behind me. I pull out my two machetes
and I said, I've had enough and and that, and
at that point I was I was fearful. I thought
this thing was coming in to finish me off. That's
truly what I thought. And I said, no more, no more.
I'm either gonna die. I don't know. Is it gonna
kill me? Is it gonna? Is it gonna? And then silence,
and it pounded on the door three times, and I
could hear it after that, running through the brush, going
wherever it went. And then oh god. So after that,
we're sitting in the camper. We're still terrified, thinking this
thing might come back. And then I start hearing the
vocalizations and so does she, and she goes, what did
you do? What happened? And I said I can't talk
about it, and she was getting kind of upset with me,
which is understandable, and I said, I don't know. I
couldn't get it out at that point in time, and
they were vocalizing, and needless to say, nothing came back
that night, but I didn't see much that night and
neither did she. And we left early morning, about seven
eight o'clock.
Speaker 2: Wow, Casey, I am so sorry you had to experience
those things. That is horrible. It's not like life isn't
difficult enough as it is all already. If you have
to experience things like that on top of what you're
already going through in day to day life, it just
doesn't fear.
Speaker 1: Is it. No? Man, I wasn't there for that, you know,
I didn't want that that that came. It was terrifying. Then.
I don't know any other way to anybody who's ever
had an encounter, even something that's not close close quarters,
it is still it throws you for a whoop until
you can get past it. And do you can. I
don't think anybody ever gets past it, honestly. I think
that you just wear to live with it better.
Speaker 2: Well, you get past it in varying degrees. But also
that depends on how dramatic your experience was or is
in your keys experiences. But like I said, I think
you're already off to a good start. It's just going
to take time for you get to where you need
to be. Yeah, you told me that that dog man
was about six feet on all fours. How tall was
it on two legs?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: Oh god?
Speaker 1: If I mean so it was ten feet away from me,
Let's say it was the trail wasn't flat. It was
it was. It was a little bit up, so that
would have I would say it had to have been
ten feet it had. I mean when it when it
went up, it just kept going and going. And I
remember it was slow motion. Time stopped, man, time stopped.
It was like somebody hit a pause button. And I
was in a fever dream. And what I mean by
that is if anybody's ever had a fever, they know that.
You know, when you have a fever, you you have
severe nightmares. And that's what this felt like. It was like,
it's just can't be real. This is this real? And
and I came to turn like it. It throws you
for a loop and it's it's it's wild, it's it's
it's something. And then and then you do you know, yeah,
it's it's it's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot. I know, it's a lot. If
the dog man was about ten feet tall, how wide
would you say it was at the shoulders?
Speaker 1: Oh god. So when it had walked out, originally I
knew something that it wasn't right, because proportionally this thing
was wrong. It was all wrong. It was wrong. And
when it stood up, man, I would say three feet
four feet but it had a barrel chest, but it's
its shoulders were so massive, and its arms were wanky.
But but but but well defined. I don't know how
to explain it well defined and well. I mean, this
thing was it was something out of hell. It was. Yeah.
I would say about three to four feet anywhere in between.
Speaker 2: The ten feet tall and about three to four feet wide.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, yeah, man. This thing could have reached out
and and just take I thank God to this day.
Speaker 2: It could have reached out and done whatever it wanted
to do to you. But the most important thing to
never lose sight of is the fact that it didn't
do anything like that to you. Thank Goodness for that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's a blessing. You know. I look back,
like I said, you know, I looked back on this
and I try to you know, You've You've helped me
a lot to understand it. And now that I understand
it more, it's easier to get past. And I feel
like I I came to you with my encounter because
you know, there's other people out there like me that
you know, and and I feel like we need to
subbort each other when it comes to that, because one
it's dramatic too. It feels good to know that you're
not alone and that you you've that there's you're not
You're not the only one you know in that It's
just it's just something that you can never prepare for.
And it's just like you said, life is hard enough.
I it and I love the outdoors. I I there's
nothing more than I loved and taking a walk with
my dog and my girlfriend. That's what I do. And
I haven't been back to the woods, but I I
miss it already. Oh, I'm sure you do.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Unfortunately, the moment that dog I decided to force
that encounter to happen, it took something away from you,
something you're never going to get back. And that's the
innocence that the outdoors had at one time. But that's okay,
because you will get back to good. It's just gonna
take time. And before I start asking you more questions,
just had an idea pop into my head. Do you
think it would help you if I put you in
the contact with another dogman eyewitness so you could compare
notes with them, Because if you do want me to
do that, I thought it just the eyewitness I want
to put you into.
Speaker 1: Contact with I think that'd be great.
Speaker 2: Okay, well great, I'll make that happen, and of course
I'll coordinate with you on this behind the scenes so much.
You're welcome. So that dog man was right around ten
feet tall, about three to four feet why, But what
about the sasquatch? How big was it?
Speaker 1: Oh? My god, man, oh, I mean even from one
hundred feet away, shoulders vive fe four to five feet wide.
This thing was so big, conical head, big red eyes,
but it was so I could see the silhouette and
I could It's one hundred feet away, so I could
see the silhouette and I could see it walking towards me,
and it just it just made me. It made me
collect myself and get out of there. And the sasquatch
was the comparison would be I guess about anywhere from
eight to nine feet tall. It was a bigger than
a bodybuilder. Man. It was bigger than anything I've ever
seen in the that nothing can prepare you. There's nothing
that can prepare you, man, when you see these type
of things. It was so oh god, yeah, it was massive.
And I mean, if I'm trying, I'm trying to give
it I'm trying to think of an example here for
for the people listening. If you took a sheet of
poetwood man, it wouldn't do it justice. It would still
be taller than it, and it would still be bigger
than it, and it would it was. It was, it was.
It was probably eight to nine feet tall, four four
feet across the shoulders. It was big. It's it's it's
it's legs. It obviously it hung down like its arms
when it was walking. I noticed this. It put its
arms in front of each other like it was walking
like power walking, as if as if one of if
a human was power walking, that's what it was doing.
But it was coming straight towards me. So I just
started walking. I didn't want to run. I didn't want
to have any like it was. Yeah, sorry, I didn't
want to go overboard there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, you didn't go overboard at all. It's
just so much to take in, I get, Yeah, I
really do. It's a lot. It really is a lot.
And it sounds like that sasquatch was really big, but
the dog man was bigger then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna be honest with you. Yeah, And I
don't know if that's because I saw it up close.
I honestly don't know which one was bigger, but they
that dog man, when it came out on all fours,
it it was I instantly, instantly, instantly, instantly knew it
wasn't a wolf. It wasn't a dog. It wasn't it
was it was nothing. And when it stood up, I
mean even even my dog to say, I have a
pit bull. Okay, this dog when it stands up, is
about four feet four feet tall. So if it's it
had to have been ten feep man, it had to have.
There's no way that it could be any smaller than that.
It has to be because it was up to my neck.
I'm five to ten for those who don't know, I'm
five ten. I'm well built. I go to the gym
stuff like that. But this thing was up to my
neck on all fours like a dire wolf if any
I know, everybody, for those of you do who don't know,
a dire wolf is the biggest wolf that on record.
And they were they are extinct or so so they say.
And it made that look like nothing. I mean in
the in the head, I want to I want to
go back to the head, in the eyes because the
head was so disproportional. And by that, I mean the
snout was so long, like a German shepherd. And I
could tell that this thing could do whatever it wanted it.
There's nothing that could touch this thing. I mean, it's
it's a freak. It's a it's the dog man. Was
was so big because and I could see down its
throat when it vocalized, when it reverberated, I I vomited.
It was that. It's like if you're at a Godsmack
concert and you're standing right in front of the speaker
and and and it makes you vomit because of all
the base. It's something. It reverberates through you and it
and then it left. And but but the thing is
is when it stood up, it was on its pads.
I remember specifically. It wouldn't take its eyes off me.
That's the other thing that scared me. I wish you
would have just I didn't. I couldn't stop looking at him.
I couldn't stop looking at this thing. And it was
just and it started freaking out and slapping trees and
scaring me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it's a lot. That's just too much. It
really is. Are you sure you don't want to take
a break now.
Speaker 1: No, I'm fine, okay.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, if that ever changes, just let
me know, yes, sir. When the dog being vocalized, you
said you could see down its throat, But did it
spray you with spit slobbery when it was doing that.
Speaker 1: No, it did not. It did not. When it vocalized,
it took it. And I remember specific when it vocalized.
Remember how I explained how it had its hands facing itself,
but it was kind of moving its claws around before
it smacked the tree and vocalized. But when it vocalized,
it put its arms in back of it and leaned
forward at me and vocalized. And when it vocalized it
it was so scary, man, it was. It was more
scary than the tree thing because it was so close
to me. Man, it was like four feet away when
it leaned in and did that. So when it leaned in,
I literally saw it down its freaking throat. That's how
close because he leaned in. Oh god, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: You're all four feet away. You're well within grabbing distance.
But it didn't grab you. It could have grabbed you,
but it didn't. That's really important.
Speaker 1: It is and you know, you helped me realize a lot.
And uh, I've really been talking about it with people,
not people, but my I should say my girlfriend, and uh,
you know, she's helped me a lot through this and
she's an amazing woman. And uh, oh god. And she's
one of those things, like you said, here, you gotta
get you gotta understand that. I understand now that it wasn't.
It almost seems like this thing just wanted to freaking
terrify me as much as it could because I don't
under stand why it did what it did and not
finish the job. And and I thought, for the longest time,
or not the longest time, I thought since the encounter
that when it came to the camper, that it was
going to finish me off, that that was it, that
was it coming. And it pounding on that door. You
have to have arms to pound on a door, Oh
my god, and just so then it terri It's just
it's just it's just it was so much for one night. Man,
it was just too much. And I'm like, what the
heck is going on here? Like what did I do
to deserve this? And I and I realized to myself,
you didn't do anything you deserve this. You were in
the wrong place at the wrong time, and I'm trying
to tell myself you were in the wrong place to
the wrong time, and you're not the only one. These
things happen in the daytime the nighttime. I've been listening
to your show and it really helps me.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm so glad you know about this show, and
of course I'm so glad it helps you the way
it does I am. When we spoke about your encounters
for the first time, Casey, it seemed like what it
did with its claws to that tree trunk definitely shook
you up quite a bit, and understandably so. But what
it wounded up doing with its eyes that might have
shaken you up even more. Please go into more detail
about what it did with its eyes.
Speaker 1: God, God, God, God. Yeah, you're right. So the eyes
where the they glue with no with no flash right now,
I had no flash. Right The eyes were this amber.
But it had man, it looked it had the eyes
of a dog, but it wasn't a dog. It was
something more entil. I don't know what the heck this
thing was. But like I said, my pack had two
machetes down each side. And then why do I carry
two machetes for bushwhacking, for and for protection if we
meet some if me and my my, my, you know, girlfriend,
run a hiker, me and my anybody. I want to
keep everybody safe. And I don't really like I mean,
I don't disagree with firearms at all. I think they're
very important. But I'm not looking to hunt or kill
anything in the woods. That's not what I do. So
we're not looking in this thing's eyes. It's looking at
me like a dog would, if a dog would put
its head forward. It's looking at me, down on each machete,
back to me, down to me, down to each machetti,
back to me, and it's doing it so quick. And
then it's that's when it snarled and vocalized and did
the thing with his hands and God and this thing
the eyes, and when it hit the tree, it scared
me so bad that I urinated on myself. I did.
I'm not gonna sit here and tell anybody that that
that's not what happened, because it's the truth. And I
urinated on myself. I puked. I mean, this thing terrified me.
It completely. It did its job, whatever it was trying
to accomplish it did it, and I just it's crazy
how this thing followed me. I don't understand how this
thing followed me all the way home, like how or
to the camper. I mean, I know it was that
same thing. I mean, and I don't know, And I
want people to understand. No, I have no neighbors that
would try to just come into my camper and pound
on the door. There's nobody that would do that at
eleven o'clock at night. There's nobody that would do that.
And I heard the vocalizations almost like they were met,
like they were still there and they're still pissed. And
I've been up there for ten years and I've never
heard any of that. It's it's yeah, so yeah, sorry,
go ahead, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: No, please don't apologize. You're just working your way through it.
When I looked at your macheties, you saw recognition in
its eye, But did you see anything, Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, it knew exactly when it Okay, So
when when it raises up and I hear the cracking
and all that, it is intently and I mean intently,
as if a dog is looking at you intently in
your eyes. But you realize that that is not This
thing has something about it that is intelligent, that it
and that's when it raises, after it looks at my machetes,
it looks, it raises its claws almost as if to say,
now to me, what it felt? What godd so, what
what it feels like to me? Or what it did
feel like? Was he was either sizing up the machetes,
like looking at his hands, being like, yeah, I could
take him, or maybe yeah, I'm about to attack them.
I don't know, or come here or come here, I
don't know. I have no idea kid this day. I
don't want to know. I don't want to know. I
don't want to ever see the thing again. I know.
I hope I never see the freaking thing again. I
don't want that, I know. And that's not what I'm
on the earth for. I just want beautiful pictures and walks.
And now you go right ahead, I don't want to go.
Speaker 2: No, you're fine. You're fine, Like I said, you're just
working your way through all this, okay. Did to telegraph
the fact that the more frightened and made you the happier.
Speaker 1: It was absolutely absolutely and you hit it right on
the nose. Right there. It Actually I thought I saw
it smile, but I'm not positive that that's what it was,
so I can't say for sure. But the more it
terrified me, I think when I wet myself, I can't
believe saying this. When I wet myself, it it smiled,
I think. I don't. I don't know. I can't say,
but it showed its teeth and kind of like smirked.
And a dog shouldn't been able to smirk. Man, it
should doesn't work like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot to process, I understand. Did you
notice any scars on it?
Speaker 1: Yes? Oh my god. It had scars going all down,
almost like it had been fighting for like its whole life.
It was it was. There was a huge scar going
down the left side of its ribcage. I don't understand that.
And I only noticed that because when it was walking away,
I had a side profile view. When it came in
and when it left, I had a side profile view.
And I don't know where the sasquatch comes into play either.
I don't know what the heck that is. I don't
know if they are in cahoots together. I don't know
if they hang out. I don't know, like it's all
so strange. Man, but that dog man guy, I mean,
whoever's listening into this, just be careful when you go
in the woods. Please, just be careful and be smart.
If something doesn't feel right, just get out of the woods. Please.
Speaker 2: When it was standing on two legs, how much of
a bend did you notice in its legs?
Speaker 1: Okay? So when it was okay, So when it was
on on on two leggs, okay. If you can imagine
a dog, it's on its pads and it has hands,
so it was bent at the knees at all times.
So if if you can imagine a dog standing up
but it's knees were bent, like it could pounce at
any time. It could pounce at any time. It could
pounce at me. It could pounce up in the tree.
And I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever after
the power man that I saw with that tree, and
I have no doubt my mind is it could do
some serious I don't know what it's capable of, men,
but I know it's something serious. I have no idea
what it is capable of, bro, But it's it's it's,
it's it's it's you know, and it in in a way.
I know this sounds crazy, but away it was amazing,
but in the most terrifying way. Amazing because I had
heard of like sass watching stuff and but that was
never my thing. My thing was just being one with
nature and loving you know, I love walking with my
dog and my girlfriend and I just it was it was.
It was just the the legs were bent the whole time,
like it could, it could jump anywhere it wanted to it. Yeah,
to answer your question, yes.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. But lately this year
has been a run of bad encounters coming in. You
don't know about this. I didn't share this with you,
but I've been working with other eyewitnesses who've had some
pretty darn bad encounters also. I don't know what it is.
Just from time to time, encounters that come in are
particularly bad, and unfortunately that's how it is right now.
But anyway, enough on that. How much time had passed
between the point when you last had eyes on that
dogged me in and when you saw that sasquatch step
out in the view.
Speaker 1: And I think about this the most out of all
of it, because I'm trying to understand why the sasquatch.
Where that comes into play here, because I have never
seen for everybody that's listening in for you, I have
never seen a sasquatch before. Guys, I am not a
SaaS I am not a researcher. I am not I
just like to hike. I don't. I don't. I don't
go looking for these things. I don't want these things.
I don't want nothing to do with them. I just
it was about not not even not not even two minutes,
not even one hundred and twenty seconds. Because when I
saw the sasquatch that tell me to get it, literally,
it was making the sound as I stayed it before,
like like a raw raw. It was telling and it
was making emotions to me like get out, and so
it got me, and it started walking towards me, power
walking towards me. So I so I just started walking,
and it stayed one hundred feet behind me, and I
kept looking back, looking back. It was there, looking back,
looking back, looking back right before, but it would stay
one hundred feet behind me. It wouldn't come any closer.
And I remember looking back and it wasn't there anymore.
And I was at the bottom of the trailhead.
Speaker 2: I can only imagine the thoughts that must have been
going through your head when all this was playing out.
Speaker 1: Wow, I thought I was going to die. I thought
I thought that that was that's it. When that dot,
when I saw that, not that, not the sasquatch, but
the dog man, I thought I was done. I thought,
when he can expand? And then and then the second
time when it came to the camper, I thought that
was it. He was there to finish me off, and
that was it. And that's why he pounded on the door.
I know one hundred percent fact that he could have
ripped that door off and had his way with whatever
he wanted. But he did it. And you've helped me
realize a lot. And for that I am. I am
sincerely grateful. But it's it's just something that stays with
you and you and you look at things a little different.
And am I gonna depray my daughter of the woods. No?
But am I gonna let her go by herself? Absolutely? Not?
Absolutely not no no, because because unless we're if we're
you know, and and I think about are you gonna
bring your daughter hiking? Yeah, as long as she's with me,
But I don't want anything like that to happen to her.
Man like, so, yeah, it's hard. It's it's hard. It's
it's so freaking hard.
Speaker 2: Oh it's too hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's like, what do you do? You know,
you don't want to deprive your children of the woods
because the woods are beautiful than they really are, and
they hold so many secrets. And I knew that, but
I never in a million years thought that I would
encounter what I did. And I didn't die. I mean,
I mean I had heard the term, don't get me wrong,
but I didn't put to I'm like New Hampshire, no way,
like you know, but these things I want people to
know they're everywhere. Don't think that because it's the daytime
that that you're saying that, that that one of these
encounters can't happen, because I promise you it will. It
happened to me, So it just because you're not hiking
at night doesn't mean you need to be digitant and
listen to your gut. Because I did have a feeling
before when my dog stopped, My heart stopped because I
almost knew something bad was gonna I I and and
I hope nobody experiences what I had to go through
and I just, I just, I just want everybody to
be safe, and I want people to know that these
things are out there and they're not who exist, but
they do, and that there are things in this world
that we don't understand yet, and maybe we do understand them,
and people people like yourself understand them a lot more
than I do. But these things are are are I mean,
you know, actually this is a good point. The god
and Nubis, the Egyptian god a Nubis was a dog.
They said he had a dog like head, and if
you look it could. It's just it's wild because he
said that he had risen an army of dogs. And
you know, there's all these theories out there and I'm
not going down the rabbit hole or nothing. But do
I want to understand it? Yeah, of course I think
anybody would, but I don't want to do that to myself.
I want want to move on and I really want
to get back into the woods and do what I love.
Speaker 2: Well, like I told you before, it's not going to
happen soon more than likely, but I think that day
is coming. I really do think that. Speaking of how
you thought it had followed you down to the campus,
so it could kill you. He could have done that
up on the mountain if he really wanted to do that, Casey,
but he didn't. Please never forget that.
Speaker 1: No, I won't. And it's I have you to thank
for that, and I thank you because it really does
put a little bit of understanding in it. I think
that those things are built just to destroy and make fear,
and they seem to get off on it, and it's
it's terrible.
Speaker 2: It is terrible. Yeah, it's not right from what I understand.
You had a conversation with your mother about those encounters,
how that go.
Speaker 1: Oh. She could tell something was different with me when
I came back home, and I was very quiet. I
was still in my head about all this, you know,
until I until I got a hold of you and
got ahold of this channel. I was really kind of
in the dark. I didn't really know, and I spoke
to my mother, and my mother knew that I was.
But she could just look in my face and just say,
is she she I don't think she believes me at
the time, but after, I mean, there's no way. She's
very supportive now and I'm grateful for that. But at
first she was very kind of she's never I mean,
it's hard to explain this stuff because when you explain
it to somebody who's never she's been, you know, camping
there for ten ten years, like like we talked about
and she's never heard a vocal and so you know,
it was hard for her to accept the fact that
these But after talking with me for about an hour,
she realized, Wow, I think you guys should find another
place to camp put your camp for the season. But
I stayed right there and I'll be there next year.
But I don't think I'm going on any I don't know.
I can't. I can't stay with the future. Hold. I
can only do my best day by day and get
through this. And you know, just look at it for
what it is. And it's you who helps me. And
I am so grateful. I'm working, I'm trying.
Speaker 2: Well, that's all you can do. Yeah, take it one
day at a time. Have your encounters compromised your relationship
with your daughter due to the limits that your experiences
have put on you?
Speaker 1: So my like I said, I live in conquered New Hampshire,
which is not as a rule, by any means. It's
a small city. It's the capital of New Hampshire. It's
about twenty to thirty thousand people. It's not anything I
would say that's you know, big, but it's got some
woods and I know that there that she's safe. But
I just for some reason, I want to be with her.
I I I'm not taking her into deep woods yet,
and I I'll never tell her about my encounter. But
the one thing that I will tell her, she's only
eight years old, so there's no way I would ever.
I mean, she still believes in unicorns and Santa Claus,
and that's how I want to keep it. And I
don't usually bring my daughter unless it's a small hike.
But I think as far as bringing her in a
national forest, I mean in the camper in a campground,
that's a little different. But I don't think i'd ever
take her on a hike. No, like a hike ike. No.
But I feel like it has not compromised us at
all because she has nothing, she has no idea about it.
But what I feel is I don't want to deprive
her of that if she loves the woods. She loves
the woods, and I know she us. I just want
to be with her and be back by nighttime. And
I don't know. I want to get to that point,
but I'm not there yet. And that's the truth.
Speaker 2: She's lucky to have such a great dad. I can
only oh, you're welcome, you poor guy. I can only
imagine how this is all complicated things for you. All
the reason you've got about her having an experience like
the ones that you had. That's just horrible. But like
you said, hopefully that will never.
Speaker 1: Happen, right right right?
Speaker 2: I hope it never does. Your grandfather tried to get
you to report your encounters to a ranger.
Speaker 1: What more? Yes you do that? Oh? My god, so
my grandfather. We're all god fearing men, we all wear
I was. I drew up Catholic, still am honestly still Catholic.
Still I'm I'm a god cheer and then I I
live laugh in love. But my grandfather, I confided in
him and told him what happened to me, and he
suggested that I tell the rangers up there, to which
I said, absolutely not. I don't. I'm not even comfortable. No.
I know, he's just in his eighties and he's always been.
My father was never there, so he's my fault. He's
like a father figure to me. So I respect everything
he says, but it wasn't I knew that that wasn't
the right thing to do about it. I just knew.
I knew. So I didn't go, and I didn't and
I didn't want to be made fun of. I didn't
want to cause any problems for myself. I didn't want
nothing of that sort, because when it comes to this topic,
there's a lot of just stuff that happens that shouldn't.
So basically I explained it to him and he understood what.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you knew better than to make that mistake.
Speaker 1: Thank goodness, Thank goodness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Well, I've got a few more questions, but
let's just call it at this point here, Casey, you've
really been through it talking about these experiences.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been tough, but I really thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. I really do think this is going
to help you more than you ever know, coming on
and putting these experiences out there. I really do, especially
once you have a chance to see all the support
coming in. I think it's really going to help.
Speaker 1: I really do too.
Speaker 2: That's what this is all about. But having said that,
I'm not going anywhere if you ever need my help again,
please let me know and of course I'll.
Speaker 1: Be there for you. Thank you. That means more than
you know.
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. Yeah, that's what I'm here for. But
having said that, thanks against so much for your time
and have a great Niger. At least try to