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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Casey. Casey,

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Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for being here. We appreciate

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your time. Casey, please give us a brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I believed in our city boy. I was

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born in Dorchester, Massachusetts, always had family in New Hampshire.

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Most of my family is in New Hampshire. Been vacationing

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up here for about twenty years. We have everything from

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seasonal campers to r v's stuff like that, and we

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really enjoy camping, me and my family. So I would

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come up here for my family a lot for gatherings

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and birthdays and all that type of stuff. And then

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I decided to move here to conquer New Hampshire with

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my daughter who's now eight, who's my life. But I

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moved up here and I have a seasonal campground in Lincoln,

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New Hampshire, which is in the White Mountain National Force

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rist Star right literally smack dab in it pretty much.

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It's a beautiful place. I've been going there for years.

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I like sports, I like I really like walks. I

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like I like the I like being free. I like

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dirt bikes. I the typical, I guess you could say,

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the typical thirty four year old. I happen to be successful.

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I run a transportation business. You know. I just enjoyed

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the outdoors, always have me and my family, like I said,

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and I am just an all around good man. I

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I've always been in the city, but I come out

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here as well. And when I moved out here, I

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really started, you know, seeing what God had to offer

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and all the beautiful things in in the world. And

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then you know, in the forest, I just think it's beautiful.

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And me and my girlfriend we share that. And we

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we love hiking. We love true we love new things,

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we love trails, we love everything. We travel in our

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rv R our camper. We have a camper now. So

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I mean, I'm just, I guess, your typical guy that

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owns a business, that loves the outdoors and tries to

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make the best out of life.

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Speaker 2: For a lot of reasons, more so than just the

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fact you love the outdoors the way you do. I

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hate the fact you had to have those dogs me

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in the counters that we're going to talk about tonight,

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I really do hate that. But have you been on

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any walks in the woods since he had those experiences?

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Speaker 1: I have to say no, that I'm not. I have

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not been on any an he walks through the woods

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since my encounters.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I understand, and can't say I'll blame you

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at all. That's how I expected it to be. I

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didn't see any way that you would have gone on

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any walks in the woods.

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Speaker 1: I just feel I'm not ready yet, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: No, that does make sense. Yeah, you're not ready yet.

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It's going to be some time before you are ready

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to head back into the woods. And I'm so glad

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you didn't make the mistake of trying to head back

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in Thank goodness for that. But of course we're going

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to get into why I'm saying these things, and just

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a bit here, but all in good time. Casey, your

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dog mean, the counter has happened just a few weeks ago.

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Please tell us what you've gone through these past few

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weeks and the scope of all this.

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Speaker 1: Well, obviously it's been tough. It's I think about it

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every day and I try to understand it and analyze

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it in my head, and I just try to understand

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how something like that exists and it just doesn't. It

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should not exist in it and it it just throws

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me for a loop, and I just I try to

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understand it, and I try to realize that. I mean,

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I wasn't going it's just, yeah, these past few weeks

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have been hard, but I'm making a headway, if that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely does seem like you're making headway. And

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like we talked about before, it's a process. It's gonna

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take time, but it sure does sound like you're getting there,

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and that's wonderful. Unfortunately, right before I called Casey for

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the first time, he actually vomited because of how traumatic

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those experiences were. And when you listen to him talk

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about what he's been through when he went through those encounters,

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I think you're going to understand why. You know, you're

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not cured, you're not totally back to good yet, but

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I'm just I'm so glad that you're doing so much

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better than you were. I mean, listening to you talk

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now compared to that first conversation. We had a difference

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because you were really in a bad way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I really appreciate I mean, other people that have

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had encounters with these things or experiences there. It's it's

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something that really is out of this world. It's yeah,

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and I've made a lot of headway and I'm trying

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to make peace with it. But at the same time,

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I'm taking my time with it because I, like you said,

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it's a process, and you're absolutely right with everything that

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you You're spot on.

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Speaker 2: It is a process. It's going to take time. How

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much time it takes, obviously, it depends on the nature

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of the encounters that an eyewitness has had. You got

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some bad encounters, so naturally it's going to take longer

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for you to get over them and actually get back

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to good. But like I said, you're making good progress,

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and as long as we can say that, then that's

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a great thing. I'm wondering, though, Casey, if you had

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a single good night's sleep since those experiences happened.

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Speaker 1: I've had a few dreams. I actually got prescribed anxiety

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medicine because of the encounter. I was having some anxiety,

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so I went to the hospital and got prescribed anxiety

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medication because I wasn't sleeping and I but at the

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same time, I'm sleeping now and I'm sleeping and I'm

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working through it. And the more that I work through

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it and speak about it and I feel it's better

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for me, it helps me in some way to know

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that I'm not the only one.

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Speaker 2: Oh far from it. Yeah, you know people who have

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had encounters with these things, but you don't know they

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had their encounters because they just kept it to themselves.

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That's why I say it's kind of like a prison

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with no walls when you have a dog mean encounter

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in a lot of cases, because you're just terrified to

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share it with family and friends. You're afraid that they're

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going to deride you and it's going to be the

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worst decision of your life to tell them. So I

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get it. Yeah, I really do. If you've had a

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dogman encounter, I would like to speak with me about it,

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whether I'm private or on the show. Please go to

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Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. You've been camping

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at that campground that you told us about for about

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ten years running for the experiences that we're going to

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talk about tonight. Happened. With that in mind, on any

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of those prior trips to the campground, had anything strange happened.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, that's one of the craziest things

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is that No. For ten years, me and my family

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had been camping at this RV park on the Pemmajuast

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River in Lincoln. It's called the Pemi River Campground. It

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is literally right on the river. There's an old trestle

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where they used to have trains, and it's just a

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beautiful place with beautiful water. And No, it had always

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been a beautiful, amazing place to me and I had

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been in the woods I don't know how many times

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and never had a problem. Never, no, no. And that's

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the thing is, in ten years, no, not one thing,

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not one, not one thing. I had no idea.

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to go camping. I just hate the fact you had

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to have those experiences. That's just awful, but it is.

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I mean, we can't control whether you have an experience

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like that or not, so all we can do is

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just try to deal with it the best way we can.

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All right, Casie, please tell us about your encounters. Now,

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give us every last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, oh god, okay. So me and my girlfriend,

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we are avid hikers outdoors. We like sunsets well, just

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like any couple. So when we go up to the camper,

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it's kind of like our solitude. It's our way of

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getting out of the busy life and and just taking

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a moment out to really enjoy the outdoors and enjoy

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each other's time. So we make a big, kind of

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a big thing of it. But on this particular weekend,

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it was the last weekend obviously for the seasonal campgrounds.

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I keep it there, I don't move it. I pay

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a couple thousand dollars for them to do everything with

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all the hookups, but on this particular weekend, Now I

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want to make it clear. I have a dog whose

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name is Callie. She is a hundred pound pitbull. She's

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actually one hundred and one pounds, and she's the sweetest

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girl ever. And I take her. It's usually me and

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my girlfriend and my dog, and that's how we you know, obviously,

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we take the dog with us everywhere, just like any

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family would. I would, I would think. And my girlfriend

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wasn't feeling well. She came down with something. But this

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is one of the first times that I actually went alone.

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I told her that, you know what, you don't feel well,

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I still want to go hiking. Can you please drop

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me off at the trailhead and pick me up in

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an hour, just so I can get a picture of

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the sunset for us. Because anybody who knows New Hampshire

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in the White Mountains, if you don't know, I can

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tell you it's it's beautiful. You got Franconia, Notch, you

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got the White Mountains, the trees in the fall time

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in October, in September, late September October is absolutely stunning beautiful.

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this trailhead go up with my dog. I had prepared

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some snacks, which was just the normal stuff, and I

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was gonna have her drop me off of this trailhead

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other thing. It was still light out. It wasn't dusk yet,

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but anybody who knows stick Woods knows that it could be.

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the woods. The trees give it cover and make a

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little darker. So okay, So I go. She drops me

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off with my dog, and I want everybody to understand

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that I carry a pack, a backpack. It's a north

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Face backpack, and this backpack contains everything, just because I've

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heard so many stories about people that run into you know,

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I was. There's enough stuff in that backpack to keep

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you alive for a month, meaning everything from antibiotics to

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raps if you get hurt for st aid kits I

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actually have. And this comes into play later. So I

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have two machetes that are e clipped to the so

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on each side of me with this backpack. So as

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I'm walking, this backpack is about fifty pounds and I

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never I always carry it and at least I know,

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and so from my mind I was safe. No matter

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what happened, I was gonna be okay because I had

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that pack. Little did I know. So my girlfriend at

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about five o'clock PM Eastern time, drops me off at

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this trailhead and she gives me the regular wave kiss goodbye,

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and I walk. Now, when you go into this trailhead,

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the trails about ten t wide maybe, And I was

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walking in the middle with my dog. And as soon

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as I go in the trailhead, it's fine. I'm having fun.

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My intention is to just get a good picture, enjoy nature,

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enjoy my dog, the time with my dog. I love

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my dog. She's part of my family. I'm sure everybody

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and then that was fine with me, so I wanted

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to kind of make her happy and cheer her up.

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the mountain and take some pictures and take some pictures

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of the foliage and stuff that I do all the time.

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up the trail, I'm fine for about a quarter mile,

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as walking. So I maybe walked a quarter mile up

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run through the White Mountains, so it's it's a place

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of I just wanted to go there. I had a

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feeling like I wanted to go there. So I wanted

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to do this hike and get these pictures. And that's

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what my focus was on. Some walking and my dog

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is running around sniffing everything and and and being a dog,

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and we stop for a minute, we have a couple

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of snacks. It was. It was a regular hike, and

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until it wasn't. I go up and I all of

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a sudden, out of nowhere, out of nowhere, I see

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I see a rock that would be perfect to take

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pictures on. It would be perfect because they had a

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little clearing on it where I could see above the

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trees and the foliage and get the pictures of the

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sunset for my girlfriend who would be picking me up. Now.

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I'm about she's picking me up in an hour. I'm

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about thirty minutes in. Oh god. So as we're walking,

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my dog stops dead. And when she did that, the

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hair on the back of my neck stood up. Because

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my dog is one hundred pounds people. She's not scared

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of much, and I've never seen her act that way.

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And I was like, what's this? What's a man of girl?

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You okay? You all right? And she was like.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, hey, Casey, not to interrupt you,

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but please remember feel free to take as many breaks

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as you need while we're doing this. There's no rush,

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thank you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I'm sorry. The encounter is just okay. So okay,

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my dog stops dead and and she is whining and crying,

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and I'm trying to ask her, baby, what's wrong, because

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she said she's she's a female, And I said, baby,

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what's wrong? You're okay, what's going on? And she started

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whining and she looks at me and takes off down

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the trail, back to the trail head. I don't even

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know where my dog is at this point. I just

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so as I'm watching my dog run, okay, I turned

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my head back around and what I see this thing?

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I don't It walks on It was on all fours

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at first, and it walks out and it literally is

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ten feet from me. I mean, this thing is so

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close to me. And I instantly knew, I instantly, I

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mean the head so I looked. Instantly, I knew this

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is not a wolf, this is not a bear, This

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is not I know what type of wildlife. I know

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what type of wildlife is out here. This is not right.

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The head on. This thing was so big and it's

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on all fours. At this point, I am rooted to

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the spot. I cannot move because I'm in sheer terror.

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I I didn't understand what I was looking at At first,

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I did not. I mean, everybody's heard the word sasquatch, bigfoot, whatever,

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But this thing should not exist, man, it shouldn't be.

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It shouldn't be there, like like, this thing is not right,

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it's not God. So as soon as it walks out,

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I can instantly see its head and you got to

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remember this is it's not totally dark out yet, so

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I can see this thing and very very just details.

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It had a barrel chest, and I noticed that when

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it walked out. And the other thing I noticed is

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its eyes. It was an amber color eyes, but they

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there was something about the eyes, man that we're just

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terrifying and intelligent. So as it's walking on all fours,

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it snarls at me, not loud, but oh God, with

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snarls at me. And I immediately noticed that the back

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of these things it has like dog's feet, right like like, oh,

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it has pads just like a dog would, but on

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the front is hands and I can see it and

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it goes to the middle of the trail right in

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front of me. Oh lord, and it stands up on

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all It stands up on its two legs. And as

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it's doing this, I can only explain it to somebody

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as if if you've ever heard, you know, when you

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crack something, and it's really it's like you accidentally cracked

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your arm or something, and it's really loud. When this

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thing stood up, it was I could hear the bones cracking,

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almost like it had been on all fours for a

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long time. Oh God, excuse me, just fine, thank you, Okay,

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all right, all right, So this thing stands up. And

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when it stands up, I realized that it has hands

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like you and me would have hands. It has five.

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It has a thumb and actual thumb. It has a

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barreled chest. The head on it is elongated to the

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point where the head was unproportionate to its body, like

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it didn't belong, like like almost like it was it

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didn't belong. I'm trying to figure out I'm rooted to

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the spot, I got two machetes. I'm not thinking about anything.

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So as soon as it stands up, as soon as

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it stands up, it starts it puts his hands up.

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Oh my god, it puts his arms up, and it

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starts wiggling its fingers, and I'm looking at its eyes,

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and its eyes are looking at me, and then it's

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looking it's like a dog would if a dog puts

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its if it's a snout, and it's looking at something intently.

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That's what it was doing to me. And it was

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looking at my machetes, to me, back to my machetes,

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back to me. And it started wiggling its claw. And

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this thing, man, this thing had three to four inch

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claws and they were at least an inch stick and

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it Oh god, so.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, you want to take a little break.

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Speaker 1: No, sure, okay. So when this thing starts wiggling, it's

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I think it's about to attack me. I think that

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I am dead in the water. I truly thought that

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that was it for me, that I was gonna that.

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I truly thought that that was it. I need no

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other way to explain it. And I was terrified. I mean,

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nothing can prepare you for something like that. Man, I

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I it was. It was. So this thing is up

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on two eggs and listens ten feet away from me.

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It could have grabbed me. It was so close to

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me that the next thing it did, while it's wiggling

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its fingers at me, looking at me intently, my dog

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and you and my dog is gone. For everybody who's listening,

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my dog is gone. Okay, So this thing Bocoa. The

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next thing it did with its hands up while it's

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wiggling its fingers like it was something I can't even

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begin to agree. It was wiggling its fingers, and when

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it vocalized at me, I was so close to it.

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I saw the back of its throat. That's how close

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this thing was to me, and I couldn't move. I

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in my mind, I'm like, if I run, I'm done.

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If I do anything else, I am done. After it vocalizes,

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I vomit because of the reverberation from this thing being

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so close to me and vocalizing.

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Speaker 2: It.

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Speaker 1: It made me vomit. And after I vomited, I looked

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back up to it and it glasps a tree as man,

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I'm talking about pine trees like these are strong trees.

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These are not trees that you can just push over.

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This thing gouged. I mean it slapped that tree so

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hard and with its claws, with its hands, I don't

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know what the heck it was, but it did it,

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and it was the most terrifying thing, and it so

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and after that, it just goes back on all fours,

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snarls at me, and walks back in the woods. And

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I am stuck. I am thinking to myself, Oh, what's

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going on here? What the heck is that? What did

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I just witness? Did I just witness a demon? Did

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I just witness it? Because I've heard people, I mean

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sasquatches on TV. I mean, I don't know. I you know,

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I understand about that, but this thing, it shouldn't exist. Man.

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The head was not proportionate. It had a barrel chest.

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How I want to describe it for those listening. The

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head was elongated like a dog, like a German. If

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you've ever seen a German shepherd, I want you to

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take that head and times it by five, and then

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I want you to take the jaw power. I can't

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imagine the damage this thing could have done if it

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wanted to, and it had me dead to rights, it

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could have ripped me whim for whim. And I wish

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I could say that this was the end, but it's

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not not even close. So it leaves and as it

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leaves and I can no longer see it. It is.

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It is in the thick trees, and I gathered my

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wits about me, and I don't care if I arm.

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I don't. I don't hunt. I don't, I don't really.

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I mean, I know a lot of people do that,

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and my family does that, but she's not my thing.

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So I don't carry firearms. And I just started walking back.

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I got my wits about me. I started walking back

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down the trail, and right before I turn around to

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walk back down the trail, dude, this, I see something

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huge step out of the woods, and instantly in my

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head I say, not again, not again, not again, please,

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not again. But then I realize something that now at

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this point it's about to get dark the sun, I've

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already missed the sunset. So I need to get back

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down to the car. I know that, but I don't

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want to run. And I see about one hundred feet

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up up the trail from me was a sasquatch. Man.

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I don't like a sasquatch. I don't get it, but

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it was there, and it was about one hundred feet

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away from me. So I just instantly started walking, power walking,

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and the whole time. I'm crying, I wet myself, I puked,

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I'm walking, I'm walking. I finally get to the car,

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and I can't tell you how amazing it was. When

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I got to that car and I kept in Here's

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another thing. I kept looking back, and every time I

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looked back to Sasquatch was doing a hand motion like

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almost shoeing me away, if that makes sense to anybody,

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if so, if you, And it was making a sound

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and I'm gonna try to mimic this, but there's no

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way I could. And it would go oh rah rah rah,

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and I man, I'm so I can't explain to you.

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So when I get into the car, this isn't the end.

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I wish you I'd go, God, I wish this was

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the end, but it's not. So I go. And you

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got to remember. So the trailhead, I want to tell everybody.

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The trailhead was only a quarter mile from my camper,

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so we're talking about not far. So. So I get

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in the car and my girlfriend looks at I look

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at my dog in the backseat and she is shaking.

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And my girlfriend goes, what happened? And I said, I

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was speechless. Man, I didn't know what to say. I

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just told her that get out of here as fast

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as you can, please. So we drive back to the camper.

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I give her a little bit of information, but I'm

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not trying to scare her either, because we're still in

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the camper. We're still there for one more night, and

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now I know that these things are so close. So

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we're in the camper. Oh god, we're in the camper,

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and in my camper, we have a thirty foot frontier.

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It's a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful camper. And as we're doing that,

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we're just hanging out and she's trying to calm me down,

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and she's trying to help me. She's an amazing woman.

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And I hear the lock. So in order to open

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up a door, okay, or my door to my camper,

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you have to lift the watch and you have to

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like pull it out. I had the door locked, of course.

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I mean, after the experience I just had, I couldn't

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stop crying and thinking about it, and it was just

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a mess. So I hear this. I hear this lock

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go up like something is trying to open it. My

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girlfriend jumps behind me. I pull out my two machetes

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and I said, I've had enough and and that, and

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at that point I was I was fearful. I thought

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this thing was coming in to finish me off. That's

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truly what I thought. And I said, no more, no more.

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I'm either gonna die. I don't know. Is it gonna

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kill me? Is it gonna? Is it gonna? And then silence,

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and it pounded on the door three times, and I

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could hear it after that, running through the brush, going

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wherever it went. And then oh god. So after that,

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we're sitting in the camper. We're still terrified, thinking this

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thing might come back. And then I start hearing the

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vocalizations and so does she, and she goes, what did

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you do? What happened? And I said I can't talk

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about it, and she was getting kind of upset with me,

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which is understandable, and I said, I don't know. I

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couldn't get it out at that point in time, and

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they were vocalizing, and needless to say, nothing came back

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that night, but I didn't see much that night and

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neither did she. And we left early morning, about seven

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eight o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Casey, I am so sorry you had to experience

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those things. That is horrible. It's not like life isn't

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difficult enough as it is all already. If you have

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to experience things like that on top of what you're

470
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already going through in day to day life, it just

471
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:06,519
doesn't fear.

472
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: Is it. No? Man, I wasn't there for that, you know,

473
00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:16,840
I didn't want that that that came. It was terrifying. Then.

474
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,079
I don't know any other way to anybody who's ever

475
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:26,320
had an encounter, even something that's not close close quarters,

476
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,440
it is still it throws you for a whoop until

477
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,480
you can get past it. And do you can. I

478
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,519
don't think anybody ever gets past it, honestly. I think

479
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:39,559
that you just wear to live with it better.

480
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,199
Speaker 2: Well, you get past it in varying degrees. But also

481
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,360
that depends on how dramatic your experience was or is

482
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,519
in your keys experiences. But like I said, I think

483
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:53,519
you're already off to a good start. It's just going

484
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:55,320
to take time for you get to where you need

485
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,599
to be. Yeah, you told me that that dog man

486
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,760
was about six feet on all fours. How tall was

487
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:02,719
it on two legs?

488
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: Though?

489
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 2: Oh god?

490
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:12,519
Speaker 1: If I mean so it was ten feet away from me,

491
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,639
Let's say it was the trail wasn't flat. It was

492
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:20,480
it was. It was a little bit up, so that

493
00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:25,400
would have I would say it had to have been

494
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,639
ten feet it had. I mean when it when it

495
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,320
went up, it just kept going and going. And I

496
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:38,159
remember it was slow motion. Time stopped, man, time stopped.

497
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:41,639
It was like somebody hit a pause button. And I

498
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,159
was in a fever dream. And what I mean by

499
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:48,719
that is if anybody's ever had a fever, they know that.

500
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:52,480
You know, when you have a fever, you you have

501
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,880
severe nightmares. And that's what this felt like. It was like,

502
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,239
it's just can't be real. This is this real? And

503
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,360
and I came to turn like it. It throws you

504
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,280
for a loop and it's it's it's wild, it's it's

505
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,480
it's something. And then and then you do you know, yeah,

506
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:14,199
it's it's it's.

507
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:20,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot. I know, it's a lot. If

508
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:22,440
the dog man was about ten feet tall, how wide

509
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,559
would you say it was at the shoulders?

510
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: Oh god. So when it had walked out, originally I

511
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:35,880
knew something that it wasn't right, because proportionally this thing

512
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,119
was wrong. It was all wrong. It was wrong. And

513
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:43,719
when it stood up, man, I would say three feet

514
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,760
four feet but it had a barrel chest, but it's

515
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:55,280
its shoulders were so massive, and its arms were wanky.

516
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:02,239
But but but but well defined. I don't know how

517
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,760
to explain it well defined and well. I mean, this

518
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:12,079
thing was it was something out of hell. It was. Yeah.

519
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,880
I would say about three to four feet anywhere in between.

520
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: The ten feet tall and about three to four feet wide.

521
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, yeah, man. This thing could have reached out

522
00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:30,159
and and just take I thank God to this day.

523
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,519
Speaker 2: It could have reached out and done whatever it wanted

524
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:35,519
to do to you. But the most important thing to

525
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:37,760
never lose sight of is the fact that it didn't

526
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,000
do anything like that to you. Thank Goodness for that too.

527
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's a blessing. You know. I look back,

528
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:50,119
like I said, you know, I looked back on this

529
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,360
and I try to you know, You've You've helped me

530
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,559
a lot to understand it. And now that I understand

531
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:02,039
it more, it's easier to get past. And I feel

532
00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:05,239
like I I came to you with my encounter because

533
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,400
you know, there's other people out there like me that

534
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:11,880
you know, and and I feel like we need to

535
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:16,360
subbort each other when it comes to that, because one

536
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,840
it's dramatic too. It feels good to know that you're

537
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,239
not alone and that you you've that there's you're not

538
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,559
You're not the only one you know in that It's

539
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:31,719
just it's just something that you can never prepare for.

540
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,519
And it's just like you said, life is hard enough.

541
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,519
I it and I love the outdoors. I I there's

542
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:43,599
nothing more than I loved and taking a walk with

543
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,599
my dog and my girlfriend. That's what I do. And

544
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,599
I haven't been back to the woods, but I I

545
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,599
miss it already. Oh, I'm sure you do.

546
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Unfortunately, the moment that dog I decided to force

547
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:03,639
that encounter to happen, it took something away from you,

548
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:06,159
something you're never going to get back. And that's the

549
00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:10,480
innocence that the outdoors had at one time. But that's okay,

550
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:12,840
because you will get back to good. It's just gonna

551
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,599
take time. And before I start asking you more questions,

552
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,480
just had an idea pop into my head. Do you

553
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,360
think it would help you if I put you in

554
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,320
the contact with another dogman eyewitness so you could compare

555
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,440
notes with them, Because if you do want me to

556
00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:29,199
do that, I thought it just the eyewitness I want

557
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:29,960
to put you into.

558
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,639
Speaker 1: Contact with I think that'd be great.

559
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: Okay, well great, I'll make that happen, and of course

560
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:40,280
I'll coordinate with you on this behind the scenes so much.

561
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,119
You're welcome. So that dog man was right around ten

562
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:46,800
feet tall, about three to four feet why, But what

563
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,840
about the sasquatch? How big was it?

564
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: Oh? My god, man, oh, I mean even from one

565
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:01,840
hundred feet away, shoulders vive fe four to five feet wide.

566
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:11,480
This thing was so big, conical head, big red eyes,

567
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:17,400
but it was so I could see the silhouette and

568
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:20,679
I could It's one hundred feet away, so I could

569
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,480
see the silhouette and I could see it walking towards me,

570
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,639
and it just it just made me. It made me

571
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,719
collect myself and get out of there. And the sasquatch

572
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:39,119
was the comparison would be I guess about anywhere from

573
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:46,079
eight to nine feet tall. It was a bigger than

574
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:49,679
a bodybuilder. Man. It was bigger than anything I've ever

575
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:54,280
seen in the that nothing can prepare you. There's nothing

576
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,079
that can prepare you, man, when you see these type

577
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:04,360
of things. It was so oh god, yeah, it was massive.

578
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,320
And I mean, if I'm trying, I'm trying to give

579
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,119
it I'm trying to think of an example here for

580
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:14,239
for the people listening. If you took a sheet of

581
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,760
poetwood man, it wouldn't do it justice. It would still

582
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,119
be taller than it, and it would still be bigger

583
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:26,119
than it, and it would it was. It was, it was.

584
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:29,400
It was probably eight to nine feet tall, four four

585
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:36,840
feet across the shoulders. It was big. It's it's it's

586
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,119
it's legs. It obviously it hung down like its arms

587
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,760
when it was walking. I noticed this. It put its

588
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,079
arms in front of each other like it was walking

589
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,280
like power walking, as if as if one of if

590
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,599
a human was power walking, that's what it was doing.

591
00:42:56,639 --> 00:42:59,840
But it was coming straight towards me. So I just

592
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,840
started walking. I didn't want to run. I didn't want

593
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,239
to have any like it was. Yeah, sorry, I didn't

594
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:08,280
want to go overboard there.

595
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, you didn't go overboard at all. It's

596
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,400
just so much to take in, I get, Yeah, I

597
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,679
really do. It's a lot. It really is a lot.

598
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:21,960
And it sounds like that sasquatch was really big, but

599
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:23,440
the dog man was bigger then.

600
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna be honest with you. Yeah, And I

601
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:31,960
don't know if that's because I saw it up close.

602
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,199
I honestly don't know which one was bigger, but they

603
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:40,880
that dog man, when it came out on all fours,

604
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:50,039
it it was I instantly, instantly, instantly, instantly knew it

605
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:53,400
wasn't a wolf. It wasn't a dog. It wasn't it

606
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,199
was it was nothing. And when it stood up, I

607
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,800
mean even even my dog to say, I have a

608
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,320
pit bull. Okay, this dog when it stands up, is

609
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:11,000
about four feet four feet tall. So if it's it

610
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:13,440
had to have been ten feep man, it had to have.

611
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,159
There's no way that it could be any smaller than that.

612
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,320
It has to be because it was up to my neck.

613
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:23,320
I'm five to ten for those who don't know, I'm

614
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,440
five ten. I'm well built. I go to the gym

615
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,559
stuff like that. But this thing was up to my

616
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,800
neck on all fours like a dire wolf if any

617
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,840
I know, everybody, for those of you do who don't know,

618
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,760
a dire wolf is the biggest wolf that on record.

619
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,239
And they were they are extinct or so so they say.

620
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:52,519
And it made that look like nothing. I mean in

621
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,119
the in the head, I want to I want to

622
00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:58,760
go back to the head, in the eyes because the

623
00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:05,079
head was so disproportional. And by that, I mean the

624
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,920
snout was so long, like a German shepherd. And I

625
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,119
could tell that this thing could do whatever it wanted it.

626
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,239
There's nothing that could touch this thing. I mean, it's

627
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:27,679
it's a freak. It's a it's the dog man. Was

628
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:33,920
was so big because and I could see down its

629
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:39,719
throat when it vocalized, when it reverberated, I I vomited.

630
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,559
It was that. It's like if you're at a Godsmack

631
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:45,079
concert and you're standing right in front of the speaker

632
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:48,599
and and and it makes you vomit because of all

633
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:53,280
the base. It's something. It reverberates through you and it

634
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,000
and then it left. And but but the thing is

635
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,000
is when it stood up, it was on its pads.

636
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:06,840
I remember specifically. It wouldn't take its eyes off me.

637
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,519
That's the other thing that scared me. I wish you

638
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:13,960
would have just I didn't. I couldn't stop looking at him.

639
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:18,480
I couldn't stop looking at this thing. And it was

640
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:23,400
just and it started freaking out and slapping trees and

641
00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:24,159
scaring me.

642
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it's a lot. That's just too much. It

643
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,800
really is. Are you sure you don't want to take

644
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:34,679
a break now.

645
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,119
Speaker 1: No, I'm fine, okay.

646
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, if that ever changes, just let

647
00:46:41,519 --> 00:46:45,400
me know, yes, sir. When the dog being vocalized, you

648
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,199
said you could see down its throat, But did it

649
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,239
spray you with spit slobbery when it was doing that.

650
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:56,199
Speaker 1: No, it did not. It did not. When it vocalized,

651
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:02,239
it took it. And I remember specific when it vocalized.

652
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:07,880
Remember how I explained how it had its hands facing itself,

653
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,320
but it was kind of moving its claws around before

654
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,159
it smacked the tree and vocalized. But when it vocalized,

655
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,280
it put its arms in back of it and leaned

656
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:31,039
forward at me and vocalized. And when it vocalized it

657
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,280
it was so scary, man, it was. It was more

658
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:41,880
scary than the tree thing because it was so close

659
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,760
to me. Man, it was like four feet away when

660
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,920
it leaned in and did that. So when it leaned in,

661
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:52,519
I literally saw it down its freaking throat. That's how

662
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:58,760
close because he leaned in. Oh god, yeah, yeah.

663
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:03,119
Speaker 2: You're all four feet away. You're well within grabbing distance.

664
00:48:03,199 --> 00:48:06,039
But it didn't grab you. It could have grabbed you,

665
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:08,960
but it didn't. That's really important.

666
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:14,039
Speaker 1: It is and you know, you helped me realize a lot.

667
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,440
And uh, I've really been talking about it with people,

668
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:25,280
not people, but my I should say my girlfriend, and uh,

669
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,320
you know, she's helped me a lot through this and

670
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:39,280
she's an amazing woman. And uh, oh god. And she's

671
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:45,079
one of those things, like you said, here, you gotta

672
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:50,480
get you gotta understand that. I understand now that it wasn't.

673
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:56,639
It almost seems like this thing just wanted to freaking

674
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,760
terrify me as much as it could because I don't

675
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,199
under stand why it did what it did and not

676
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,719
finish the job. And and I thought, for the longest time,

677
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:12,239
or not the longest time, I thought since the encounter

678
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,599
that when it came to the camper, that it was

679
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:20,719
going to finish me off, that that was it, that

680
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,519
was it coming. And it pounding on that door. You

681
00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:29,199
have to have arms to pound on a door, Oh

682
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:34,960
my god, and just so then it terri It's just

683
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:38,599
it's just it's just it was so much for one night. Man,

684
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,960
it was just too much. And I'm like, what the

685
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,039
heck is going on here? Like what did I do

686
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:48,880
to deserve this? And I and I realized to myself,

687
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:52,119
you didn't do anything you deserve this. You were in

688
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:55,519
the wrong place at the wrong time, and I'm trying

689
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:59,639
to tell myself you were in the wrong place to

690
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:04,039
the wrong time, and you're not the only one. These

691
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:07,320
things happen in the daytime the nighttime. I've been listening

692
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,360
to your show and it really helps me.

693
00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:13,519
Speaker 2: Well, I'm so glad you know about this show, and

694
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:16,280
of course I'm so glad it helps you the way

695
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:21,280
it does I am. When we spoke about your encounters

696
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,800
for the first time, Casey, it seemed like what it

697
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,079
did with its claws to that tree trunk definitely shook

698
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:31,039
you up quite a bit, and understandably so. But what

699
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:33,920
it wounded up doing with its eyes that might have

700
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,719
shaken you up even more. Please go into more detail

701
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,679
about what it did with its eyes.

702
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:45,639
Speaker 1: God, God, God, God. Yeah, you're right. So the eyes

703
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:53,400
where the they glue with no with no flash right now,

704
00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:58,400
I had no flash. Right The eyes were this amber.

705
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:02,760
But it had man, it looked it had the eyes

706
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,960
of a dog, but it wasn't a dog. It was

707
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:10,679
something more entil. I don't know what the heck this

708
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:14,800
thing was. But like I said, my pack had two

709
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,239
machetes down each side. And then why do I carry

710
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:23,800
two machetes for bushwhacking, for and for protection if we

711
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,800
meet some if me and my my, my, you know, girlfriend,

712
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,119
run a hiker, me and my anybody. I want to

713
00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:34,760
keep everybody safe. And I don't really like I mean,

714
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,559
I don't disagree with firearms at all. I think they're

715
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:41,400
very important. But I'm not looking to hunt or kill

716
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,679
anything in the woods. That's not what I do. So

717
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,760
we're not looking in this thing's eyes. It's looking at

718
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,639
me like a dog would, if a dog would put

719
00:51:53,679 --> 00:51:59,440
its head forward. It's looking at me, down on each machete,

720
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,880
back to me, down to me, down to each machetti,

721
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,159
back to me, and it's doing it so quick. And

722
00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:09,960
then it's that's when it snarled and vocalized and did

723
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:20,039
the thing with his hands and God and this thing

724
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:25,199
the eyes, and when it hit the tree, it scared

725
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:31,280
me so bad that I urinated on myself. I did.

726
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,440
I'm not gonna sit here and tell anybody that that

727
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,199
that's not what happened, because it's the truth. And I

728
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:46,519
urinated on myself. I puked. I mean, this thing terrified me.

729
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:51,559
It completely. It did its job, whatever it was trying

730
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:55,559
to accomplish it did it, and I just it's crazy

731
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:58,360
how this thing followed me. I don't understand how this

732
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:03,039
thing followed me all the way home, like how or

733
00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:05,960
to the camper. I mean, I know it was that

734
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:09,719
same thing. I mean, and I don't know, And I

735
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,559
want people to understand. No, I have no neighbors that

736
00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:17,760
would try to just come into my camper and pound

737
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,440
on the door. There's nobody that would do that at

738
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,920
eleven o'clock at night. There's nobody that would do that.

739
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,960
And I heard the vocalizations almost like they were met,

740
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,719
like they were still there and they're still pissed. And

741
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,199
I've been up there for ten years and I've never

742
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:44,119
heard any of that. It's it's yeah, so yeah, sorry,

743
00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:45,239
go ahead, and I'm sorry.

744
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: No, please don't apologize. You're just working your way through it.

745
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,320
When I looked at your macheties, you saw recognition in

746
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,000
its eye, But did you see anything, Oh.

747
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:00,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, it knew exactly when it Okay, So

748
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,559
when when it raises up and I hear the cracking

749
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:11,079
and all that, it is intently and I mean intently,

750
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:14,320
as if a dog is looking at you intently in

751
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:20,000
your eyes. But you realize that that is not This

752
00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:28,719
thing has something about it that is intelligent, that it

753
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,679
and that's when it raises, after it looks at my machetes,

754
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,480
it looks, it raises its claws almost as if to say,

755
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:47,920
now to me, what it felt? What godd so, what

756
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,079
what it feels like to me? Or what it did

757
00:54:50,159 --> 00:54:54,840
feel like? Was he was either sizing up the machetes,

758
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,840
like looking at his hands, being like, yeah, I could

759
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,360
take him, or maybe yeah, I'm about to attack them.

760
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,639
I don't know, or come here or come here, I

761
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:09,719
don't know. I have no idea kid this day. I

762
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,000
don't want to know. I don't want to know. I

763
00:55:12,039 --> 00:55:14,239
don't want to ever see the thing again. I know.

764
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,440
I hope I never see the freaking thing again. I

765
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,440
don't want that, I know. And that's not what I'm

766
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:24,320
on the earth for. I just want beautiful pictures and walks.

767
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,519
And now you go right ahead, I don't want to go.

768
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: No, you're fine. You're fine, Like I said, you're just

769
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,679
working your way through all this, okay. Did to telegraph

770
00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:38,519
the fact that the more frightened and made you the happier.

771
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: It was absolutely absolutely and you hit it right on

772
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:49,480
the nose. Right there. It Actually I thought I saw

773
00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:53,159
it smile, but I'm not positive that that's what it was,

774
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,239
so I can't say for sure. But the more it

775
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:05,960
terrified me, I think when I wet myself, I can't

776
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:13,159
believe saying this. When I wet myself, it it smiled,

777
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,320
I think. I don't. I don't know. I can't say,

778
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:22,559
but it showed its teeth and kind of like smirked.

779
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,599
And a dog shouldn't been able to smirk. Man, it

780
00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:29,079
should doesn't work like that.

781
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot to process, I understand. Did you

782
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,400
notice any scars on it?

783
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:45,119
Speaker 1: Yes? Oh my god. It had scars going all down,

784
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,559
almost like it had been fighting for like its whole life.

785
00:56:48,679 --> 00:56:54,360
It was it was. There was a huge scar going

786
00:56:54,360 --> 00:57:01,920
down the left side of its ribcage. I don't understand that.

787
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:06,559
And I only noticed that because when it was walking away,

788
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,960
I had a side profile view. When it came in

789
00:57:11,159 --> 00:57:13,800
and when it left, I had a side profile view.

790
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,440
And I don't know where the sasquatch comes into play either.

791
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:22,079
I don't know what the heck that is. I don't

792
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:24,679
know if they are in cahoots together. I don't know

793
00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:27,519
if they hang out. I don't know, like it's all

794
00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:35,719
so strange. Man, but that dog man guy, I mean,

795
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,159
whoever's listening into this, just be careful when you go

796
00:57:39,239 --> 00:57:43,360
in the woods. Please, just be careful and be smart.

797
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,000
If something doesn't feel right, just get out of the woods. Please.

798
00:57:48,679 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: When it was standing on two legs, how much of

799
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,840
a bend did you notice in its legs?

800
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:57,239
Speaker 1: Okay? So when it was okay, So when it was

801
00:57:57,519 --> 00:58:01,760
on on on two leggs, okay. If you can imagine

802
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,960
a dog, it's on its pads and it has hands,

803
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:10,159
so it was bent at the knees at all times.

804
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,440
So if if you can imagine a dog standing up

805
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,639
but it's knees were bent, like it could pounce at

806
00:58:18,719 --> 00:58:22,719
any time. It could pounce at any time. It could

807
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:25,320
pounce at me. It could pounce up in the tree.

808
00:58:25,639 --> 00:58:30,760
And I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever after

809
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:35,519
the power man that I saw with that tree, and

810
00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:37,880
I have no doubt my mind is it could do

811
00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:41,679
some serious I don't know what it's capable of, men,

812
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:47,719
but I know it's something serious. I have no idea

813
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,320
what it is capable of, bro, But it's it's it's,

814
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,079
it's it's it's you know, and it in in a way.

815
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:03,000
I know this sounds crazy, but away it was amazing,

816
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:11,079
but in the most terrifying way. Amazing because I had

817
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,320
heard of like sass watching stuff and but that was

818
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:20,119
never my thing. My thing was just being one with

819
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,239
nature and loving you know, I love walking with my

820
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,639
dog and my girlfriend and I just it was it was.

821
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:31,280
It was just the the legs were bent the whole time,

822
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:37,440
like it could, it could jump anywhere it wanted to it. Yeah,

823
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:39,079
to answer your question, yes.

824
00:59:41,239 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. But lately this year

825
00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:49,199
has been a run of bad encounters coming in. You

826
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:51,320
don't know about this. I didn't share this with you,

827
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,079
but I've been working with other eyewitnesses who've had some

828
00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:58,159
pretty darn bad encounters also. I don't know what it is.

829
00:59:58,239 --> 01:00:01,039
Just from time to time, encounters that come in are

830
01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:05,440
particularly bad, and unfortunately that's how it is right now.

831
01:00:05,519 --> 01:00:09,039
But anyway, enough on that. How much time had passed

832
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:11,639
between the point when you last had eyes on that

833
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,519
dogged me in and when you saw that sasquatch step

834
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:15,199
out in the view.

835
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: And I think about this the most out of all

836
01:00:21,519 --> 01:00:27,920
of it, because I'm trying to understand why the sasquatch.

837
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:34,960
Where that comes into play here, because I have never

838
01:00:35,039 --> 01:00:38,679
seen for everybody that's listening in for you, I have

839
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,480
never seen a sasquatch before. Guys, I am not a

840
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:46,840
SaaS I am not a researcher. I am not I

841
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,360
just like to hike. I don't. I don't. I don't

842
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,000
go looking for these things. I don't want these things.

843
01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:56,639
I don't want nothing to do with them. I just

844
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:05,760
it was about not not even not not even two minutes,

845
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:11,960
not even one hundred and twenty seconds. Because when I

846
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,000
saw the sasquatch that tell me to get it, literally,

847
01:01:16,039 --> 01:01:20,719
it was making the sound as I stayed it before,

848
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:25,599
like like a raw raw. It was telling and it

849
01:01:25,679 --> 01:01:29,239
was making emotions to me like get out, and so

850
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,840
it got me, and it started walking towards me, power

851
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:37,639
walking towards me. So I so I just started walking,

852
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,239
and it stayed one hundred feet behind me, and I

853
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:45,239
kept looking back, looking back. It was there, looking back,

854
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,239
looking back, looking back right before, but it would stay

855
01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:51,880
one hundred feet behind me. It wouldn't come any closer.

856
01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:56,840
And I remember looking back and it wasn't there anymore.

857
01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:59,679
And I was at the bottom of the trailhead.

858
01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:02,599
Speaker 2: I can only imagine the thoughts that must have been

859
01:02:02,599 --> 01:02:04,760
going through your head when all this was playing out.

860
01:02:05,079 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: Wow, I thought I was going to die. I thought

861
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:12,199
I thought that that was that's it. When that dot,

862
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,840
when I saw that, not that, not the sasquatch, but

863
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:19,800
the dog man, I thought I was done. I thought,

864
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,480
when he can expand? And then and then the second

865
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:25,599
time when it came to the camper, I thought that

866
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,719
was it. He was there to finish me off, and

867
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,960
that was it. And that's why he pounded on the door.

868
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:37,920
I know one hundred percent fact that he could have

869
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:42,559
ripped that door off and had his way with whatever

870
01:02:42,679 --> 01:02:47,400
he wanted. But he did it. And you've helped me

871
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,280
realize a lot. And for that I am. I am

872
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:55,239
sincerely grateful. But it's it's just something that stays with

873
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,039
you and you and you look at things a little different.

874
01:02:58,159 --> 01:03:02,400
And am I gonna depray my daughter of the woods. No?

875
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,320
But am I gonna let her go by herself? Absolutely? Not?

876
01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:12,559
Absolutely not no no, because because unless we're if we're

877
01:03:13,559 --> 01:03:16,079
you know, and and I think about are you gonna

878
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:21,239
bring your daughter hiking? Yeah, as long as she's with me,

879
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,880
But I don't want anything like that to happen to her.

880
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:31,400
Man like, so, yeah, it's hard. It's it's hard. It's

881
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:32,679
it's so freaking hard.

882
01:03:33,559 --> 01:03:34,639
Speaker 2: Oh it's too hard.

883
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's like, what do you do? You know,

884
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:45,480
you don't want to deprive your children of the woods

885
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,400
because the woods are beautiful than they really are, and

886
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,440
they hold so many secrets. And I knew that, but

887
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:55,280
I never in a million years thought that I would

888
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,599
encounter what I did. And I didn't die. I mean,

889
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,519
I mean I had heard the term, don't get me wrong,

890
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:06,440
but I didn't put to I'm like New Hampshire, no way,

891
01:04:06,599 --> 01:04:09,880
like you know, but these things I want people to

892
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:15,559
know they're everywhere. Don't think that because it's the daytime

893
01:04:16,199 --> 01:04:18,679
that that you're saying that, that that one of these

894
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,800
encounters can't happen, because I promise you it will. It

895
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:28,400
happened to me, So it just because you're not hiking

896
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:32,360
at night doesn't mean you need to be digitant and

897
01:04:32,519 --> 01:04:36,559
listen to your gut. Because I did have a feeling

898
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:41,280
before when my dog stopped, My heart stopped because I

899
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:46,480
almost knew something bad was gonna I I and and

900
01:04:48,199 --> 01:04:51,199
I hope nobody experiences what I had to go through

901
01:04:51,559 --> 01:04:56,239
and I just, I just, I just want everybody to

902
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,639
be safe, and I want people to know that these

903
01:04:58,679 --> 01:05:00,920
things are out there and they're not who exist, but

904
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:06,159
they do, and that there are things in this world

905
01:05:06,199 --> 01:05:10,679
that we don't understand yet, and maybe we do understand them,

906
01:05:10,719 --> 01:05:14,159
and people people like yourself understand them a lot more

907
01:05:14,199 --> 01:05:19,840
than I do. But these things are are are I mean,

908
01:05:20,599 --> 01:05:25,480
you know, actually this is a good point. The god

909
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:32,320
and Nubis, the Egyptian god a Nubis was a dog.

910
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:37,239
They said he had a dog like head, and if

911
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:42,400
you look it could. It's just it's wild because he

912
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:45,880
said that he had risen an army of dogs. And

913
01:05:46,239 --> 01:05:49,840
you know, there's all these theories out there and I'm

914
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,000
not going down the rabbit hole or nothing. But do

915
01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:56,360
I want to understand it? Yeah, of course I think

916
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,679
anybody would, but I don't want to do that to myself.

917
01:05:59,719 --> 01:06:02,360
I want want to move on and I really want

918
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,280
to get back into the woods and do what I love.

919
01:06:06,519 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 2: Well, like I told you before, it's not going to

920
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,800
happen soon more than likely, but I think that day

921
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:15,400
is coming. I really do think that. Speaking of how

922
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,599
you thought it had followed you down to the campus,

923
01:06:17,639 --> 01:06:20,159
so it could kill you. He could have done that

924
01:06:20,239 --> 01:06:22,800
up on the mountain if he really wanted to do that, Casey,

925
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,519
but he didn't. Please never forget that.

926
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:30,239
Speaker 1: No, I won't. And it's I have you to thank

927
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,119
for that, and I thank you because it really does

928
01:06:33,199 --> 01:06:36,840
put a little bit of understanding in it. I think

929
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:44,719
that those things are built just to destroy and make fear,

930
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,519
and they seem to get off on it, and it's

931
01:06:48,519 --> 01:06:49,320
it's terrible.

932
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 2: It is terrible. Yeah, it's not right from what I understand.

933
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,159
You had a conversation with your mother about those encounters,

934
01:06:58,360 --> 01:06:58,920
how that go.

935
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 1: Oh. She could tell something was different with me when

936
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:15,280
I came back home, and I was very quiet. I

937
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:19,679
was still in my head about all this, you know,

938
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,519
until I until I got a hold of you and

939
01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:26,079
got ahold of this channel. I was really kind of

940
01:07:26,119 --> 01:07:31,320
in the dark. I didn't really know, and I spoke

941
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,880
to my mother, and my mother knew that I was.

942
01:07:35,079 --> 01:07:37,880
But she could just look in my face and just say,

943
01:07:39,159 --> 01:07:41,880
is she she I don't think she believes me at

944
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:52,199
the time, but after, I mean, there's no way. She's

945
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:57,360
very supportive now and I'm grateful for that. But at

946
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:02,639
first she was very kind of she's never I mean,

947
01:08:02,679 --> 01:08:04,960
it's hard to explain this stuff because when you explain

948
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:08,639
it to somebody who's never she's been, you know, camping

949
01:08:08,679 --> 01:08:13,159
there for ten ten years, like like we talked about

950
01:08:13,159 --> 01:08:17,720
and she's never heard a vocal and so you know,

951
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:22,399
it was hard for her to accept the fact that

952
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:26,359
these But after talking with me for about an hour,

953
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:31,119
she realized, Wow, I think you guys should find another

954
01:08:31,159 --> 01:08:37,560
place to camp put your camp for the season. But

955
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:42,000
I stayed right there and I'll be there next year.

956
01:08:42,039 --> 01:08:46,399
But I don't think I'm going on any I don't know.

957
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,159
I can't. I can't stay with the future. Hold. I

958
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,359
can only do my best day by day and get

959
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:57,560
through this. And you know, just look at it for

960
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:01,840
what it is. And it's you who helps me. And

961
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:06,840
I am so grateful. I'm working, I'm trying.

962
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,119
Speaker 2: Well, that's all you can do. Yeah, take it one

963
01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:15,439
day at a time. Have your encounters compromised your relationship

964
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,960
with your daughter due to the limits that your experiences

965
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:19,640
have put on you?

966
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: So my like I said, I live in conquered New Hampshire,

967
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,720
which is not as a rule, by any means. It's

968
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:35,039
a small city. It's the capital of New Hampshire. It's

969
01:09:35,079 --> 01:09:40,520
about twenty to thirty thousand people. It's not anything I

970
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:46,000
would say that's you know, big, but it's got some

971
01:09:46,119 --> 01:09:50,279
woods and I know that there that she's safe. But

972
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,239
I just for some reason, I want to be with her.

973
01:09:54,359 --> 01:09:59,520
I I I'm not taking her into deep woods yet,

974
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,920
and I I'll never tell her about my encounter. But

975
01:10:03,039 --> 01:10:05,640
the one thing that I will tell her, she's only

976
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,800
eight years old, so there's no way I would ever.

977
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,880
I mean, she still believes in unicorns and Santa Claus,

978
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:16,159
and that's how I want to keep it. And I

979
01:10:16,199 --> 01:10:20,199
don't usually bring my daughter unless it's a small hike.

980
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:26,319
But I think as far as bringing her in a

981
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:31,119
national forest, I mean in the camper in a campground,

982
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,199
that's a little different. But I don't think i'd ever

983
01:10:35,279 --> 01:10:39,439
take her on a hike. No, like a hike ike. No.

984
01:10:41,279 --> 01:10:45,479
But I feel like it has not compromised us at

985
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:49,239
all because she has nothing, she has no idea about it.

986
01:10:49,279 --> 01:10:54,319
But what I feel is I don't want to deprive

987
01:10:54,399 --> 01:10:57,359
her of that if she loves the woods. She loves

988
01:10:57,359 --> 01:11:01,920
the woods, and I know she us. I just want

989
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:06,239
to be with her and be back by nighttime. And

990
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:08,359
I don't know. I want to get to that point,

991
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,159
but I'm not there yet. And that's the truth.

992
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,399
Speaker 2: She's lucky to have such a great dad. I can

993
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,800
only oh, you're welcome, you poor guy. I can only

994
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,319
imagine how this is all complicated things for you. All

995
01:11:22,359 --> 01:11:25,720
the reason you've got about her having an experience like

996
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,840
the ones that you had. That's just horrible. But like

997
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:30,319
you said, hopefully that will never.

998
01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: Happen, right right right?

999
01:11:33,239 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 2: I hope it never does. Your grandfather tried to get

1000
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,039
you to report your encounters to a ranger.

1001
01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:43,079
Speaker 1: What more? Yes you do that? Oh? My god, so

1002
01:11:43,359 --> 01:11:48,079
my grandfather. We're all god fearing men, we all wear

1003
01:11:48,359 --> 01:11:53,880
I was. I drew up Catholic, still am honestly still Catholic.

1004
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:59,479
Still I'm I'm a god cheer and then I I

1005
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:06,520
live laugh in love. But my grandfather, I confided in

1006
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:10,560
him and told him what happened to me, and he

1007
01:12:11,399 --> 01:12:15,279
suggested that I tell the rangers up there, to which

1008
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:22,399
I said, absolutely not. I don't. I'm not even comfortable. No.

1009
01:12:23,159 --> 01:12:28,239
I know, he's just in his eighties and he's always been.

1010
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:32,119
My father was never there, so he's my fault. He's

1011
01:12:32,199 --> 01:12:35,880
like a father figure to me. So I respect everything

1012
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:42,039
he says, but it wasn't I knew that that wasn't

1013
01:12:42,319 --> 01:12:44,760
the right thing to do about it. I just knew.

1014
01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:51,039
I knew. So I didn't go, and I didn't and

1015
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:54,039
I didn't want to be made fun of. I didn't

1016
01:12:54,079 --> 01:12:58,079
want to cause any problems for myself. I didn't want

1017
01:12:58,199 --> 01:13:01,560
nothing of that sort, because when it comes to this topic,

1018
01:13:02,119 --> 01:13:10,479
there's a lot of just stuff that happens that shouldn't.

1019
01:13:11,119 --> 01:13:19,079
So basically I explained it to him and he understood what.

1020
01:13:20,359 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you knew better than to make that mistake.

1021
01:13:23,239 --> 01:13:25,560
Speaker 1: Thank goodness, Thank goodness.

1022
01:13:26,319 --> 01:13:30,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Well, I've got a few more questions, but

1023
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,560
let's just call it at this point here, Casey, you've

1024
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,239
really been through it talking about these experiences.

1025
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:40,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been tough, but I really thank you so much.

1026
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. I really do think this is going

1027
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:45,960
to help you more than you ever know, coming on

1028
01:13:46,199 --> 01:13:49,640
and putting these experiences out there. I really do, especially

1029
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:51,800
once you have a chance to see all the support

1030
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,000
coming in. I think it's really going to help.

1031
01:13:55,159 --> 01:13:56,119
Speaker 1: I really do too.

1032
01:13:57,359 --> 01:14:00,319
Speaker 2: That's what this is all about. But having said that,

1033
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,039
I'm not going anywhere if you ever need my help again,

1034
01:14:03,119 --> 01:14:05,119
please let me know and of course I'll.

1035
01:14:05,039 --> 01:14:08,159
Speaker 1: Be there for you. Thank you. That means more than

1036
01:14:08,199 --> 01:14:08,399
you know.

1037
01:14:09,359 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. Yeah, that's what I'm here for. But

1038
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,279
having said that, thanks against so much for your time

1039
01:14:15,359 --> 01:14:17,840
and have a great Niger. At least try to