Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willerschaer, host.
I'm excited to have Ron Jane's Captain Ron on tonight.
We're going to be talking about a whole bunch of things. Also,
I'm real excited again once again to go to Contact
in the Desert. The only bad part about that, I
think about that is that I didn't go sooner and
start going sooner, because it's definitely the best UFO conference
I think that I've ever been to, absolutely in that
you could go to. And I've said this before, a
lot of what goes on there is just connecting to
people in the halls, cafeterias, the hotels, stuff like that,
and you get a lot of times you get to
talk to just about any speaker. It may be a
little bit easier for me as I know a lot
of them, but still they are they're approachable, which is
another big plus. It's in a beautiful setting, a great place,
and I'm really excited again to go back. So I
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this show is dedicated to Nick Pope. Charles Lear wrote
a wonderful blog about Nick Pope and last week you'll
see also the video the Real Quick nine minute tribute
I did and thank you for all the tens of
thousands of people that have watched that on what Nick
Pope meant to me, And of course Ron and I
are going to be talking about that a little bit,
because he's an icon and a voice that is now
not going to be here any longer, and actually a
wonderful British voice. If you asked me, I always liked
to hear him talk. I love going. I've been to
many of his lectures and I just loved the way
he presented and he was really good. And anyway, I
am bringing in Ron now, Ron.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Good to see you, Bud. Yeah, have you
been talking about Nick Pope? I love it. It's really
tragic to lose.
Speaker 1: Him very and I know you knew him because he's
been I think when I talked to him when I
did an interview this is at Contact last year with Nick,
and unfortunately a lot of people are going to say,
where is it? I had a glitch. I had a
glitch with him and Ross cold Heart. I was able
to rescue Ross's audio and this was with new equipment
and everything was working fine. But with Nick, I said, Nick,
I am really sorry. We had such a great interview too,
I could not rescue it. But anyway, I've had many
other with him and he's he was always really fun
to talk to.
Speaker 2: When was your first year to go to Contact last year?
Speaker 1: That's why I said that wasn't first, Wawn is I
had never gone earlier?
Speaker 2: Wow? Here if I may, I just happened to hang
up the phone with a dear friend of mine and
if I could share this story with you, because you're
talking about Nick Pope, in twenty fifteen, I went to
my very first contact in the desert. I had found
a flyer sitting on the floor. I had no idea
what contact in the desert was, and I picked it up.
I was like, God, look at all these guys here.
I've got to go with this. And I went all
by myself. This was when it was in the desert,
remember when it was actually like in the desert. And
I went there all by myself and I was a
one hundred and some degrees. Was crazy. And four hours
into my first day of being there, I was walking
and you were on like just I got a hiking
trail going between one area to another area, and it
was a long way and it was really hot. And
I was walking by myself, just crudging along looking at
the book. What am I going to go do next?
And there was like another person like walking next to
me a little bit before behind me, and I was like, God,
it's hot or something like that, and they said, yeah,
this is ridiculous, and we started chatting a little bit.
I looked up and it was Nick Pope. It was
the very first speaker that I had i'd met at
this thing, and he talked to me for ten minutes
and just like another guy, and wow, it was so awesome.
And I remember thinking, right at that moment, you know
what if nothing else happens and I go home. Now,
this was worth it because I got to spend ten
minutes with Nick Pope, just me and him, and I
got a big thrill out of it. And then, of
course things have progressed and I got involved and got
to know Nick a little bit, and he was at
every single contact, one of the very few people that's
gone every single one. So it's going to be sad
not to have him there.
Speaker 1: I I communicate a little bit here and there with
James Fox, and then I saw he made a really
hilarious post. I think it's funny anyone that got to
know Nick a little bit. Like the new They liked
to have a couple of drinks. Oh yeah, and the
wapress said to him when he were a drink at
a bar and they're all sitting there, and she said, sir,
I think you've had enough. What do you think? And
he goes I can neither confirm or deny it, and
I guess he got the drink. Anyway. This is a
little thing I had made up for the tribute I
did last week, And yeah, he's definitely going to be missed.
And it seems like we're I was really close with
Lee Spiegel and we lost him a couple of years ago.
And there's the voices that have been around and the
steady voices I want to call them. And Chris O'Brien
was a friend of mine for years. He stayed at
my guest house and we had a lot of fun
over the years. And yeah, we're just seeing another they're
dropping off and yeah, yeah, was he ever contact right, Yes.
Speaker 2: He's been there many times absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, near the show and yeah, yeah, I think all
the way back to high school than the book, kicking
around and thinking what is this? Chariots to the card,
what is that?
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 1: And what a story he had to barely making it
there and getting in all this trouble and then finally
it hit and he was well off of the rest
of his life. But anyway, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And then the Ancient Helien things, all of that. So
these guys, it sucks losing these pillars in our community.
It's amazing, that's right.
Speaker 1: And I have to ask you rong because I don't
know if I ever have asked you this, But what
got you interested in the topic to begin with?
Speaker 2: I had a childhood fascination with it, nothing serious, just
always curious and always liked it. But I there, it
is Eric van Deannigan's book. I read that and I
read Communion, the two must reads in this community. And boy,
I was like, why are we not paying more attention
to this? And why are people not talking about this?
And I couldn't understand that, and just lived in my
background as a hobby and an interest on the side.
And then in twenty twelve, I was doing a podcast.
I got asked to do a podcast about cannabis, actually
about medical cannabis. And the guy that owned the station
was Tony Sweet and his partner on his Truth Be
Told show was moving away and he says, hey, don't
you like UFOs? Aren't you into that? I'm like, yeah,
a little bit, And he's why don't you come on
and co host with me? And I was like, I
wonder if I'm ready for that? But I did. And
by the nature of doing a show, you read the
people's books, you study them, and you just learn more.
Every week you've got a new guest, You've got more
to research, and next thing, you know, your knee deep
in this. And this is one of those topics where
the more you know, the more there is to know,
and you just keep going in these rabbit holes. And
it's I feel like I know less now than I
did fifteen years ago after studying the hell out of it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you ask any of the longtime listeners
I have, they'll say, oh yeah, I hear Martin say
the same thing. I've said that many times. But it's funny.
I just for the listeners that may be new. I
just see a couple in chat and thank you all
for being here in chat. But I myself, I had
a sighting and I tucked it away. And back in
two thousand and seven, I tucked it away and because
I got embarrassed right away at work. I worked at
an auction gallery, and I got embarrassed when I talked
about it. But anyway, I did a podcast on antiques
and fine arts starting in two thousand and nine. Then
I did one on comedy, and I had some pretty
good people on there, Jenny Kirkman, and I'm trying to
think of some other number of people I did. I
was interviewing comedians, I thought, that's even more fun than antiques.
And then I got interviewed by a comedian. This is
the long version. I'll try to make it a little
quicker and all the time you want, yeah, Ed, I'm
trying to Krasnik ed Krasnik comedian. He interviewed beyond his
he did a show, and he did he had moon
Zappa and people like that on co hosting with him.
So anyway, he said to me, what's the weirdest thing
that ever happened to you? And so I told him
I was sitting in a tub and this disc came
right over me and and he said, oh, so when
did the probing begin? And all that say he was
teasing me. He was teasing. But then a couple of
weeks later he said to me, hey, I do I
forget what it has? Meta or something like that, and
he says, that word UFO is really big. It's a
big search word. And I thought, maybe I'm going to
do a show on UFOs. That's how I started in
twenty eleven. It was just like that, because if I
hadn't done those other podcasts, I don't think of course
I wouldn't have done it. Thought to do it and.
Speaker 2: Then just start going down and there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know. And there's so many when I'm
on other people's shows and they asked me like, what
do you think these are? What are these UFOs? And
I still say they could be this, they could be that,
or they could be something we wouldn't understand, which is
probably more of that than anything else. So they could
be interdimensional, they could be time problems, they could be
from the ancient past.
Speaker 2: I think that's all I do. The more people tend
to tell me that they know what's going on, the
less I tend to believe them, because that's right unknown.
We're dealing with an unknown. And that's one of the
difficulties and challenges is talking about this topic. It's difficult
to talk about something that we don't really know. Yep.
Speaker 1: And actually another thing that I the longer I do
this and you just you said, the less you know whatever,
I'm feeling like, the less I know about reality in general.
These weird synchronicity things happen and stuff like that that
just don't make any sense. You think something and then
it shows up, or all these weird things happen. They've
been happening lately. The last few years, and I'm just thinking,
maybe maybe we don't even really understand what's going on
around us, right.
Speaker 2: We don't, Martin. I just took Dalia's class. Do you
know Dahalia bergoing yet? Oh? Okay, yes, yeah, I just
took her class. And I was able to tell the
color of paper with a blindfold on just by touch.
And I'm not I'm a three D regular world guy.
I am by no means psychic, intuitive or anything like that.
I've never even thought of claiming it. But she taught
us how that works, and I was able to do that,
and then I was able to see a little bit
through a mask. And I don't even know what's real anymore.
Between AI photoshop and that nonsense and this sihability is
becoming real to me. I don't even know what anymore.
I just what.
Speaker 1: I want to answer this chat question because I think
it's a good one.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: Interesting, you were into antiques. Love to know if you
think that antis can hold energy of previous owners. I've
acquired many antiques and often wonder of their history. And yeah,
I suggest to see the movie called The Red Violin.
That's a great movie to watch. But anyway, I do
sometimes I have brought some things home, and I'm a
collector too, and I have brought some things home that
I felt like I had to get out of the house.
I have had that. Now it might be just my imagination,
but it felt like a bad energy. But a lot
oftentimes I'll look at something really amazing and I think, God,
if I could only know the life of this thing
from the beginning, what type of life it had, the
conversations around it and things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, you hear these stories of the hitchhiker effect
as they call it, when it gets you, But they
also say it gets on these dolls. They say, are
that one in the museum?
Speaker 1: That doll in the museum? I think it is in
something about Key Wes maybe something.
Speaker 2: That sounds right. Yeah, I forgot the name of them now,
but yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I do want to talk about a bunch of
different topics here, but I think we should at this
point just dive into contact in the desert first and
then we'll do our other topics that I'd like to hit.
So what can we look for this time of year?
I'm going to pull up a screen of contact in
the desert and the speakers, if you just go over
the specifics right now and just let everyone know exactly
the day and what we could expect.
Speaker 2: No desert is near Palm Springs, California, in the Coachella Valley.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: You just fly right into Palm Springs and it's May
twenty eighth through June. First. Yeah, look at some of
the names we got this year, Martin Jacques Valet, Eric Davis,
of course, George Knapp, and George Nori, along with Jeremy
Corbell bringing Beatrice in from Stockholm.
Speaker 1: She's wonderful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's amazing. Yeah, you see Poul's doing the telepathy tapes.
Scott Gearson is going to come forward with a new
story that he's never told, and he's going to be
testifying in Congress. Jeffrey NEWSATELLI just testifying kind.
Speaker 1: And I met him, this is something. I met him
in at James Fox event in Washington, d C. And
was talking to him and everything, and I'm thinking, God,
he's so familiar, and then I remembered he was at
the hearing.
Speaker 2: He was at the hearings with George Knapp, who will
also be here. Yeah. Yeah, Doctor tom Mas Campbell wrote
the book My Big Toe which is theory of everything.
How cool is that? And it talks about the simulation
that we could be living in as a closed system.
Chris Bledsoe has been making a lot of things. Tim
Galladett and Diane Posalka. My god, it's just such so
great to have all of these people. It's just having
them all together, and then it's fun having them talk
to each other as well, and they exchange ideas of
what they're talking about. James Keenan's been doing fascinating stuff.
Caroline Corey's got a brand new movie called Superhuman two
that has Dahlia and her daughter Lee Doo in it.
It's going to be amazing. It's going to world premiere
at Contact. We have a bunch of world premiere movies
as a matter of fact, Martin, Yeah, we'll go through. Yeah.
Thomas Jane's been so great. Hakeem's doing the Spy Games.
Have you gone to the sy Games? No? I have not.
It's fantastic. It takes place in July and it deals
with a lot of the Siah abilities that people are developing,
and he explores that it's really good. Paul Smith doing
the remote viewing. Of course, Sarah Bruxman Cosume was a
master qhht. She did the Dolores Cannon type stuff. She
studied with Dolores Canyon. Yeah, Sarah gam was on the
UAP Task Force.
Speaker 1: Sarah's a friend. She's a lovely person.
Speaker 2: Doctor Pascal, doctor Simon, Simeon Hine and Riswan of course
another simulative this guy yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, deep deep, yeah, yeah, he's been on a lot.
It's so funny with a lot of people that know
that pay attention to the show. A lot of these
people have been on the show, but there's some new
people that I'm going to be trying to get on.
So this will be great.
Speaker 2: Well, contact will be a good opportunity. You can bring him.
You got the media thing, we can get you hooked
up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, now I've been working on that. Oh that's good.
This hang on. This is just does some weird things here.
But yeah, Diana is great. She was on my show.
I had her scheduled for show and then something happened.
You're a very busy person, so I'm glad she's going
to be there.
Speaker 2: I know what.
Speaker 1: She's a professor and we are.
Speaker 2: Just so lucky how things fall together and they come
to Contact. It's unbelievable. Contact has a little life of
its own. We just as curators that kind of help it.
But it's right again, I'm a three D world guy.
But it's amazing how these things fall apart. Like people
will say, no, I can't do it. I'm gone. April,
May and June. The only weekend I could do it
would be these three days. So that's the days. And
oh my god, can you believe stuff like that happens?
It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what happened during COVID, because I know I
used to be I used to help out at the
International UFO Congress. I was involved behind the scenes on
that one in particular, also doing interviews there, and COVID
came and just shut that down. And what happened to
Contact during COVID twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: Contact had a huge year. It was fantastic, and then
in twenty twenty they had to shut it down. This
was a couple months after March. It was at the
same time, end of May, so this is three months
into COVID. They obviously had to shut it down, canceled it,
and then in twenty one they did a online virtual
version of it, and then they didn't do one in
twenty two.
Speaker 1: That's because twenty twenty one was really bad online. Everyone
was saying the onlines were terrible as far as that
people losing money. They were losing money doing that, which
is really sadly.
Speaker 2: There was a problem with that. Yeah, that was certainly
an issue, and then in twenty two they decided to
sell it and Gordon Peckrell, who did the UFO MEGACN
for years up in Laughlin. Yeah, he's also done events
in Vernon, Utah, Vernal Utah and he did the UFO
MEGICN for years. He ended up buying it from her,
and luckily, through a series of synchronicities, I was also
brought in and then Gordon and I partnered. So this
will be our fourth one and it's gotten bigger and
better every year since we've brought it back, and it
just feels really good to have it back. I had
gone for several years in a row there and it
was my favorite week of the year because it's just
an amazing experiences as you've got to see, and I'm
glad you see how special it is. It's just people
don't talk about politics, they don't walk around on their phone,
they actually interact with each other and they actually talk
about these things openly and fairly and honestly, and just
that alone is refreshing. If we didn't have the big
name speakers and the big name stuff, it's just a
great atmosphere. It's just something to be around it. There's
something to being there live.
Speaker 1: And this last year I met some people, came friends,
were in touch all the time, and we're looking forward
to meeting up there again. They're in Italy right now.
Speaker 2: That these things happened, Martin. David Grush testified live during
Contact in the Desert. We stopped our event and watched
it together live. We all piled into one room and
watched it because it was going live. So that happened.
We've had other things like that happen. You say you
meet friends. Do you know the Dolans met it Contact
in the Desert.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I wouldn't doubt it.
Speaker 2: And they got married. So you know, these things happen,
you never know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was in the audience there with David
Grush was testifying. I was a second to last person
in the door. Awesome, out of thirty they only had
thirty seats at that time for and I was there
at five in the morning, so luckily my producer and
I get in the door. But yeah, that was very historic,
that hole. That just felt really really something really and
it is and Gordon. Going back to Gordon, Gordon's a
great guy and he's want to have He's very financially fit,
I'll put it that way. And it's so good to
have the backing of someone like that with such a
big event that you're putting together because I know, because people.
Speaker 2: Are under the illusion that this thing just prints money
and it's just the couldn't be further from the truth.
That's not what happens. This is an extremely expensive event
to put on. We bring in people from all over
the world, We get all these flights, all these hotel rooms,
all it's extremely expensive. And I thanks thankfully Gordon, and
he's driven by his mission of getting the word out
to the world that there's more to what we think
in our three D reality. And it's just a blessing
from God to have Gordon behind this. It's wonderful. Yeah.
Plus he's a nice guy too, he's awesome. Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So let's let you talked about films. What are the
films that are going to be debuting or premiering.
Speaker 2: I should say the premiering ones are Caroline Corey for sure.
And then there's another film by Jeremy Corbel that's going
to be premiered.
Speaker 1: And see if I can pull this up on the
website here.
Speaker 2: We don't have that up yet because we're waiting. We're
still waiting for everybody to give us their ye, that'll
be coming up any moment. We're just waiting for the
filmmakers because there's stuff that's how new this is. They
don't even have it yet. They're like, yeah, we're getting that.
Speaker 1: Caroline, you don't mind. I'm going to put up what's
what we have? What you have here so far?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there it is. There's let's say, have the wrong No,
that's it. S four is the Lazaar story by Luigi. Yeah,
and yeah, the psychic psychic phenomenon right there. Darcy Weir's film,
absolutely Darcy will. Darcy is going to do a talk
after with a lot of the people in his film,
which will be great. There's the Experiences World premiere from
Dean Aliotto yep, good Friend Dean, yep. Dean's a good
Man Truth next, which is finally completely finished by Ron James.
He had showed a lot of clips from it last year,
but right now it's the final product.
Speaker 1: And there's the filmmakers for some of them right here.
Speaker 2: Excellent Caroline Corey's Superhuman Too will be added to that
momentarily m m and that'll be brand new, and again
Jeremy Corbell's film. So it's going to be really great
seeing some of the new latest stuff. That's the fun
thing about Contact Too is you know, we try not
to run this with a heavy hand at all. We
try to let people talk about whatever they want to
talk about, but we're always trying to push forward. What
are you working on, what's the latest, newest thing you have?
Bring that to Contact So sometimes debut their film there,
they'll debut a new talk there, they'll debut so we
get the brand new stuff, which is always a lot
of fun.
Speaker 1: And so just to let people know, I want to
thank you all for being here in Chat and you're
welcome to pose any questions if you'd like. Just make
sure that you do it in caps so I don't
miss them, all right, Getting onto other movies, we have
some exciting movies. Or I saw a movie recently that
I thought was really great. The Hail Mary project. I
thought that was really fun movie. I don't know if
he happened to catch that or.
Speaker 2: Not yet, but I want to It looks a great one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good one. And then we have a
lot of people have been talking about the Steven Spielberg
film Disclosure Day, and I got to tell you I
did with someone that helps me out here. We did
just a review of the trailer and we had seventy
thousand views on YouTube in a very short time. It's amazing.
So I think it's going to be extremely popular this
year coming out. I believe it's June twelve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's ten days after Contact. How serendipitous is that. Yeah,
we're really excited about it, of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe get Spielberg to show up.
Speaker 2: That would be phenomenal. Yeah, and stranger things have happened,
you never know, and it would be great to have
them come. And I think that looking back at the
Close Encounters of the Third kind of course, here we
are fifty years later, Martin, and look at how true
to the folklore of the community that film was and
is it really is a very accurate portrayal. It's not
a slightly deviation from what the culture talks about. Other
than that exact location, it's pretty much true to form.
It rings very true. So I'm fascinated to see what
he does with disclosure, and maybe that'll be foreshadowing. It's
in our possible future.
Speaker 1: Now. I just heard yesterday. I believe that there is
some real film that's going to be in that movie,
and in Las Vegas they showed a clip of that
in promoting this movie, and so that I don't know,
have you heard about.
Speaker 2: I have not heard about that. I did hear about
the forty six clips that were supposed to be really
two days today, it's now five point thirty eight thirty
Eastern time. It's not going to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I wonder that's right. There was supposed to
be today. The fourteenth was the deadline, and I wonder anything.
Speaker 2: At all has happened concerned, right, Yeah, they just went
right by it. So that's disappointing.
Speaker 1: That's what seems to happen a bit these days. Here's
a question here for you. Run the UFO Jackie's.
Speaker 2: Absolutely can it is incredible? Yes, you can try it
at home. It's a matter of you can't think of
it as color. If you jump right to color, it's
very difficult. You won't be able to go This one's red.
But Dolligett taught us how you feel different pieces of
paper even though they're they She opened a brand new
pack of colored paper for us right in front of them,
and it's like you look at it and you say, oh, yeah,
they all feel the same. Then you put on a
fully blacked out black blindfold you can't see anything, and
then she'll be like, see if they feel different to you,
try to compare them. And everybody was able to do this.
It was like, this feels heavier. Some people would say
this feels wetter, this feels drier, this feels thicker, this
feels rougher, this feels smoother. And then so in your
brain it's the smooth one is yellow, the rough one
is red, the heavy one is blue. And I'll be damn,
I mean, I honestly, I think I got nineteen out
of twenty correct blindfold. It was amazing. It's absolutely a
remarkable thing. And it's something about the vibration of the
color that makes it possible to do this. But it
just it doesn't seem impossible, and yet it is possible,
and she's going to be teaching this at contact. It
there's a little bit more to it, and she goes
into it a little bit more in depth, but it
comes down to that. And it didn't take eight days
to learn this. It took an hour. Within a couple hours,
we were doing it, boom boom, back and forth. It's
pretty incredible and it just another thing that speaks to
there is more to our world than we realize. We
do not have an understanding of consciousness yet, and we
do not have an understanding of base reality to be honest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, So I'm gonna flip back to the Steven
Spielberg Disclosure Day and other movies and because this came
up in a show I was doing recently, and do
you think that Hollywood is Oh yeah, I had Bryce
sable In Brint on my show and we were talking
about this. Do you think Hollywood is helping prepare the
public shaping the narrative of the possible disclosure?
Speaker 2: That talk goes back to the fifties, Martin. They were
saying that back in the fifties that they thought Hollywood
was trying to get people to prepare for this. I
don't know if that's intended. It could be, but I
certainly think mister Spielberg is very tapped in and seems
to know a lot about this. You can tell that
movie's fifty years old, Close Encounters. He's very informed on
this topic clearly, So I wouldn't be surprised if it
may or may not be by design to get us prepared.
But I think he's going to be very informed, and
this might really have some telltale signs of reality in it.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see it, and some have already. You
know how some people can criticize anything. Some people are
already saying, oh, this is just another blah blah blah, whatever,
it doesn't matter. It's about anything that's Steven Spielberg does
is really good in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't mean it's true. It's not a documentary,
but there may be interesting elements in it, and it's
probably going to be a great film.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm definitely sure it will. All Right, you
wrote something for the Wow Signal You talked about real disclosure.
Since we're basically talking about that, so what is your
overall opinion about where you think that's heading or not heading?
And you just mentioned the fifties. I talk about this
all the time, Like I saw a nineteen fifties video
on YouTube where the guy wearing a derby says, I
just want to know the truth before I die. That
was in the fifties. So I think we have hope
that something's going to be disclosed. But what is your thoughts.
Speaker 2: In twenty thirteen, fourteen, when we started doing truth Betoil,
I used to say that all the time. I used
to be like, I just want to know before I die.
I just want to know before I die. It's funny,
that's really what I used to say. Now, there's been
a lot of smoke lately. We had the Obama incident,
we had Trump saying that's classified. We've had Luna pushing
for these forty six videos that were supposed to be
out today. Clearly we've had more from the government than
we've had ever and that's very exciting and it makes
me think that maybe something could happen. But I still
am in the camp of there's no reason to disclose
this information that I know of, or that we all
know of. If maybe the beings themselves were going to
do something, or another country was going to do something,
there may be some impetus on the inside for us
to do it. But if not, no, in my opinion,
this information, if the government has it, it is maintained
by a small black ops, black budgeted program that's very small,
special access program. And why would they release this information.
They have the secrets of the world and energy in this.
There's no upside for them. There's a lot of downsides
that I can think of, and there's no upsides that
I can think of other than the right thing to
do and share this with the world. So in my view,
I am still highly skeptical that we will get disclosure
official government disclosures.
Speaker 1: I've said this too, and I don't know how you
feel about it, but I think that the government doesn't
know everything, and because they don't know everything, or they
can't say that they can protect us for one thing,
not alone.
Speaker 2: Stop right there, that's enough for them not to do it.
And I also think that these people in arrow and
in these front facing things, they don't really know the
good stuff. I think the people that do hold that
knowledge are in a small, high level, very controlled, contained group,
so that when they say, oh, you've got to release
all your files from this office, sure office doesn't have anything. Sure,
give them all your office. You got nonsense, you got
a few little sightings or whatever. But the guys that
have really seen the bodies and seen the beings and
have been studying this, they're not getting those requests. I
don't think anything super substantial is going to come. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have to also tell you this because I've talked
about it a couple of times on this show. The
place that I'm at in the winters in South Carolina,
there's a group where we sit around and strum on
our guitars, songs and stuff like that. So in the
group I met this guy and I ended up telling
him I do a show on UFOs And he said, oh,
he goes, I used to see the UFO guys in
Ohio and at Wright Patterson blue Book and we used
to sit around in the cafeteria and talk all this
is really interesting is going.
Speaker 2: On and on.
Speaker 1: And he says, and then yeah, he says, and then
they shut down, And he says, but you know that
they were still there. I said, what do you mean
they were still there? He said, yeah, he said, they
shut down. He goes, I don't know, was it seventy
nineteen seventy or something like that, and he said, he
said there were still some of them there and I
used to still talk to them.
Speaker 2: Wow, wouldn't be surprised at all. I think there are
people that do know, but I just don't see it coming. Unfortunately,
I'd love it too. Yeah, it's going to be. It's
here's the question.
Speaker 1: If the government disclosed that they're a UFOSS, you think
it would change religious beliefs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to a degree. Certainly. That's one of the fears
they think. And we don't know what this is. So
are these spiritual beings? Are they on the other side,
are they dead? Are they from another planet across the thing?
Are they from another dimension? It's very possible to me
that we just don't. We haven't developed the technology yet
that they're coming from another dimension parallel to ours. We
see into infrared now because we have technology to do that,
but we before that was invented, we only saw what
we could see with our eyes, and that was it.
Maybe it's something similar. We get technology that can see
into this thing and pick up these vibrations, and maybe
we'll be able to learn more. But I don't know.
I think religion could play nice with this there's no
reason you couldn't say that your God created other life
forms and other dimensions. To me, it all could easily
fit in. And we've heard things from the Vatican that
seem to support that's possible. And I think that's great.
Speaker 1: We'll see, Yeah, I did. I was lucky enough to
interview a priest that was at Washington, d C. When
David Rush was there. Everyone was leaving. I met David Rush.
Everyone was walking out and I look and there's this
priest just standing there. So I go hello, I said, so,
do you have an interest? And so we sat down
in the cafeteria and Loue Alisando wasn't even supposed to
be there, but he walked behind us. Everybody saw him.
I didn't even see him. But I had a great
conversation with this guy, and he said he wanted to
make sure that he's not saying he represents the Catholic Church.
But here is his thoughts and it was very balanced.
And that is on in my YouTube channel somewhere if
anyone could search that. I can't think of the father's
name right now. But so the Catholic interest, the Catholic religion,
the popes have said in the past. I mean that,
why does it have to be just here? I think
that's right. But they he did say we could offer
to baptize him. I don't know if you ever heard
that one. They actually did, I hope did say that.
So I checked on the forty six videos that were
supposed to be released today, and they were supposed to
be released to Congress, so they wouldn't have we wouldn't
have eyeballs on that, unfortunately.
Speaker 2: But Congress would have said we got them.
Speaker 1: They did not get them as far they're not. At
least they're not saying that they got them.
Speaker 2: So far, Luna, somebody would have said, they've received this.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. Chat definitely would have been out there
talking about it if they were.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, last week he said I've recently heard things
that would knock your socks off. He was really like wow,
So yeah, he must have put something in a skiff,
which is interesting. I love it. I love that guys
like him in that position are being that honest and
that vocal about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, that's right. And he had an interest a
long time in UFOs in particular, he actually had listened
to my show when I met him, and he's been
on this show since, but he did. He had an
interest in this, and I'm really glad that he's pushing it.
He was really, he's really he said something I heard
an interview, not an interview. He was just walking along,
I think, talking on his phone. How a lot of
people don't like him, like they want me out of
here anyway. That's all right, I don't like them either,
you know, that's.
Speaker 2: A good attitude. Burlsen too, Eric Burlinsson's doing amazing things.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, yeah, here's a might as well talk
about it, because a lot of people are talking about this,
about the demon narrative. You hear a lot of people
talking about it. They're saying, even the upper people.
Speaker 2: Even the vice president, has taken this position. He came
out about this the other day, that's right. So he
absolutely did. And it's incredible to think that the vice
president is talking about UFOs and demonic beings's I love
that at least we've gotten this far that we're having
former president, current president, current vice president talking about this
in an open way, in an honest way, saying something
as bold as demonic was something that wouldn't have happened
twenty years ago. Ever, so I think that's good. Again.
I think we're dealing with an unknown. Sure, why is
that not on the table? My argument against the demonic
thing would be as far as we as far as
we can tell, I don't know that they've done anything
evil or awful to us. It would seem like, if anything,
they're benevolent. I think there if anything possibly here to
help we. Usually the report we get from people with
claimed interaction with them is that take care of your planet,
stop at the nukes, So that seems to me like
they're not a demonic being would be like, hey, let
me play with the nukes or let's yeah, they wouldn't
say these positive messages. My guess, since we're dealing with
an unknown is that if other entities are coming here
in these infinite different realms that we've been talking about,
probably like here on Earth, there's probably good and bad
and probably different factions. That's what I would guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would too, And we do think about that.
I can't think of right off the top of my head.
But the Brazilian case where the Virginia are no not Virginia, Yeah,
that too, of course about the being and everything, but
there was harm to people from this somewhere in Brazil
there was like a light. I know people in chatt
will probably know what I'm talking about, but in the
it was before Virginia incident.
Speaker 2: But anyway, the other side of it, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I just can't think of the name of the incident.
Speaker 2: The other side of the Virginia thing is that surgeon
who came out in Fox's new film. Yes, he said
that being to him felt angelic. Yeah, that was his take,
So that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's right. I have a clip. I got to
interview him in person in Washington, DC when he was there,
and he actually got a tear in his eye during
the interview because he felt bad for the being because
I said he was there was a great woman there
that was translating, and I asked the question and said,
how did you feel about this? And he felt sorry
for him and he felt like the thing just wanted
to get back or whatever, wanted to be safe and
was very scared.
Speaker 2: I found that guy extremely compelling.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, he's very There's no reason in the world,
as James Fox said, there's no reason in the world
why he didn't make any money out of it or anything.
He just saw his colleague, you know, do I have
a heart attack with the information? And then he had right, yes,
And so he thought, I'm not going out without sharing.
Speaker 2: And and and that's compelling as well. Yeah, rings true
to me that gee, if that happened to me, I
would probably do the same thing. That. There's not a
lot of these that I find as credible as that.
I think that's a very strong witness, firsthand witness, and
the way he describes it. And this is not the
classic guy out working on a farm with a tinfoil hat.
This guy is a literal brain surgeon. He's a neuroscientist
who operates on brains. Literally.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a pretty incredible guy. Yep.
Speaker 1: And he's very sincere. I got to tell you, when
you talk to him or you hear him talk, even
though you may not understand his language, you can just
tell he's a very sincere and caring person. I could
tell that right away.
Speaker 2: And he got emotional about recounting this, and he's, like
you said, he's tearing up because he felt for this being.
And I thought it was some of the most fascinating
testimony I've ever heard from a witness like that. That
he said, how he could tell that the being fully
understood what was happening. Yeah, okay, I'm here. They've caught me,
They've got me. He was at peace with that, he
felt that had feelings well done. Yes, agreed, And I
thought that was very compelling. And again it all just
rang true for me. I'm very suspicious of many of
these cases and many of these witnesses. You just never know,
but I gotta be honest. I found that extremely compelling
and extremely strong, and I think it's I love that
James Fox is really digging into this case because there's
two stuff there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know other people looked at it and did some
work on it, doctor Roger Lear and a number of
other people. James really brought this back. I had to
talk with Leslie Kane about that. He really pulled this
back from going into obscurity and being more or less
forgotten about. And one wonderful job. And I know there's
still could be more because there is that that video
that was taken at the hospital, and that may some
day that may surface. You never know.
Speaker 2: Isn't it interesting how on the brink of death several
of these said, you know, Roswell had faded into oblivion.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and that was long gone for forever. Until
nineteen seventy nine or eighty, that had been totally forgotten about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's his name? Another guy we lost, physicist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Stanton Freeman.
Speaker 2: Stanton did a lot of good work on n covering
that and getting to Jesse, Marcel and everything. And now
look how big Roswell is. It's incredible how these cases
they could go away and the world has changed. I
think in nineteen forty seven it was probably pretty easy
to put something out and dismiss this and cover things up.
If we had a Phoenix lights today, with every single
person having a phone in their pocket and a camera
on their person, I think it would be a totally
different thing. And that was just thirty years ago.
Speaker 1: But all you had at that time was those big,
bulky VCR type cameras and there were.
Speaker 2: Still had a lot of witnesses with that.
Speaker 1: That's what you can.
Speaker 2: Imagine today, thirty years later, we all have a much
higher quality HD camera in our pockets and it would
spread like wildfire that I just saw this on social
media and then all run outside with their cameras. And
I think if we had another Phoenix lights incident. It
would really be something today.
Speaker 1: It'd have to be so widespread because people are so
suspicious now a suspect of everything. With AI, AI can
do anything, which is another scary thing when it comes
to this topic.
Speaker 2: But if you had thousands and thousands of people and
they were tracking it and everything, you could really make
a compelling case.
Speaker 1: That would be it. Yes, that would be it. Here's
a Christopher always has some interesting questions. How you heard
any counts of NHI studying our species history by reading
our DNA.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, Christopher, that is a fascinating question. I've never
personally heard that. I don't know if you have, Martin,
I never have, but I think it's really fascinating as
something I don't believe is that we have junk DNA
or dark matter, doesn't matter. This is stuff they just
can't explain yet. There's no way we were carrying around
all this wasted space of junk DNA. Given enough time
and technology, we will figure out what it is, and
it's probably something very important.
Speaker 1: Did you ever do any talk about any archives? Oh
wait a minute, this is curated collections like archives of
the impossible for a future UFO research came up when
I was looking things up to talk about tonight. Do
you have any involvement in any of that.
Speaker 2: In the Archives of the Impossible? Yeah, no, No, okay,
somehow a lot of these guys who curate this stuff though,
these library guys like mar and even Jordan's David Marler's
got amazing stuff. Rice University at Clause in Switzerland has
miles of Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I think that's all really important.
Speaker 2: And these guys are heroes.
Speaker 1: They are and preserving collections. Like I mentioned earlier, my
friend Lee Spiegel had quite a collection and Dave Marler
was able to curate that and he has it out there.
Speaker 2: You're going to storytized, thank god, because you hear these
stories of the guy dies and then their kids are like,
I don't want these boxes of UFO cases. I'll just
throw that in the trash. And it's heartbreaking because all
of that work and all of those accounts get lost
to history and it's terrible. And these guys that save
that and rescue that, I think it's invaluable. I think
those guys are all heroes, and I think we might
do something for them at Contact next year. Cheryl Costa,
Look what the works done and accounted all those things.
It's incredible. It's incredible, right, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: There was a story about all the Project Bluebook files
getting thrown out and the guy caught it at an
estate sale. I had him on my show. That was
that was just pure luck, pure luck. He was just
at the right place at the right time. I'll let
you answer this one. Yeah, you think that's a blob
Blazar documentary S four.
Speaker 2: I've seen several documentaries about bib Bleazarre, and I've recently
got to see S four. I think it is fantastic.
I think it's well done. The interesting thing about this
film is how Luigi's been able to use the newer
technology to actually recreate Bob's story in a three D space. So,
in fact, we're going to show that a contact in
the desert. They've taken Bob's account and come up with
the exact measurements of what he says he saw. So
he says that was from here to there, and they
measured that it was fifty nine feet I think it
was fifty nine feet six inches as a matter of fact.
So they recreated that in a VR three D space,
and they've made everything exactly right off of what Bob said,
and so you can go up and walk into the
thing in with a virtual reality headset see exactly what
Bob saw. So I think the animation is accurate to
Bob's story and really well done. That's the thing. And
he tells the whole story of the Bob Bazar story,
which is well done as well. I think Luigi did
a great job, all right.
Speaker 1: I like Luigi and you and I had a conversation
before the show of how I feel about Bob Azar.
So I'll just leave it at that. I only wish
Luigi on his endeavors. So someone here just I would
going to ask this person to please email me about
this my email addresses Martin att PODCASTUFO dot com. I
want to know about this a near Phoenix light in
New Jersey. Unless you're talking about the drones, which was
a very prevalent this last Christmas time wintertime in New Jersey.
That's possibly what he's This person, he or she may be.
Speaker 2: Done, and I think they're right. They make a very
good point. That's a very good point, but that is
a little bit different than what happened in Phoenix. Yeah,
they've got the track of that thing coming down going
to Phoenix, turning slowly. It's not quite the Phoenix light,
but it is a really good point. It is a
really good point. The drones things a little bit different.
It was coming in off of water, they were scattered,
they were moving around a little bit different than the
Phoenix like thing. I think we had a craft like
that of that mense size slowly hovering over one of
our cities like happened in Phoenix. Doesn't mean it's alien,
could be man made, but I bet we would have
some really good footage, and I think that news would
travel quickly.
Speaker 1: Do you remember their recent just oh, I don't know,
two weeks ago there was more drone incursions on an
air basis.
Speaker 2: This the last four or five years. It feels like
there's always these little crop pop ups to that. But
see again, as soon as they say drones, then it's
like man made and it becomes less interesting. Yeah, like
the Phoenix lights. Thing that they witnessed was this one solid,
enormous craft with no noise. Therefore people jumped to this
could be an HI and that's what's interesting about it.
Of course, that craft itself could have been something one
of our governments has, of course, but it just seems
so beyond what we have that it certainly speaks to
the fact that it could be an NHI craft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a I know that Mark de Antonio,
I know he talked to someone at the Department of
a Defense. According to what he told me the other day,
that they were actually testing the capabilities. So that's what
that most recent one was about. And then I said,
what do you mean they didn't tell the Air Force
that they were going to do this. He said, no,
they wanted to see how they react.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's remarkable how you often hear tales
of how like the Navy, Army, air Force, Marine, those
are all separate organizations and they don't share information at all.
I've heard so many accounts that echo that that make
me believe it must be true. It's pretty remarkable. So
I would think that let's see how they react. Yeah,
they say that could have been what the tic TAC
thing was too, that they wanted.
Speaker 1: To the lost things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and see how we would respond to that. That's
very possible. This thing seems pretty pretty much ahead of
what we what I would guess we have, but you.
Speaker 1: Never know, and unless they've figured out a way to
keep something together with that type of chief force, because
we don't have anything that wouldn't fall apart, never mind
a living being being inside or something. But absolutely, the
g force is just too wild. Thank you so much. Ron,
It's been a real pleasure and I'm looking forward to
seeing you again this year and the event, and I
know it's going to be fantastic. I can't wait.
Speaker 2: And mart you want to give people a code, you
could give them Captain ten and take ten percent off
the tickets if they want to go to contact.
Speaker 1: With all right, Captain ten. Right, so you just said, yep,
all right, I'm going to put that in the show
notes too, in case and get one zero. What's that?
Speaker 2: It's one zero, not spelled out, it's Captain one zero.
Speaker 1: Oh, Captain one zero? Okay, got it?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: All right, thanks very much. And next week I have
Ron James coming up next week. He'll be out there too.
All right, everyone, all right, it's been a real pleasure.
Good night everyone, Thanks again, and remember to keep your
eyes to the sky.