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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willerschaer, host.

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I'm excited to have Ron Jane's Captain Ron on tonight.

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We're going to be talking about a whole bunch of things. Also,

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I'm real excited again once again to go to Contact

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in the Desert. The only bad part about that, I

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think about that is that I didn't go sooner and

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start going sooner, because it's definitely the best UFO conference

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I think that I've ever been to, absolutely in that

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you could go to. And I've said this before, a

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lot of what goes on there is just connecting to

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people in the halls, cafeterias, the hotels, stuff like that,

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and you get a lot of times you get to

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talk to just about any speaker. It may be a

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little bit easier for me as I know a lot

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of them, but still they are they're approachable, which is

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another big plus. It's in a beautiful setting, a great place,

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and I'm really excited again to go back. So I

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want to thank everyone that listens and supports the show.

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And just a quick note because I have seen a

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so basically baked into this audio. There's no way I

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can remove that. So a lot of people saying, way,

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Very easy to sign up. Our blog this week and

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this show is dedicated to Nick Pope. Charles Lear wrote

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a wonderful blog about Nick Pope and last week you'll

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see also the video the Real Quick nine minute tribute

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I did and thank you for all the tens of

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thousands of people that have watched that on what Nick

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Pope meant to me, And of course Ron and I

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are going to be talking about that a little bit,

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because he's an icon and a voice that is now

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not going to be here any longer, and actually a

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wonderful British voice. If you asked me, I always liked

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to hear him talk. I love going. I've been to

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many of his lectures and I just loved the way

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he presented and he was really good. And anyway, I

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am bringing in Ron now, Ron.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Good to see you, Bud. Yeah, have you

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been talking about Nick Pope? I love it. It's really

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tragic to lose.

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Speaker 1: Him very and I know you knew him because he's

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been I think when I talked to him when I

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did an interview this is at Contact last year with Nick,

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and unfortunately a lot of people are going to say,

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where is it? I had a glitch. I had a

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glitch with him and Ross cold Heart. I was able

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to rescue Ross's audio and this was with new equipment

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and everything was working fine. But with Nick, I said, Nick,

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I am really sorry. We had such a great interview too,

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I could not rescue it. But anyway, I've had many

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other with him and he's he was always really fun

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Speaker 2: When was your first year to go to Contact last year?

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Speaker 1: That's why I said that wasn't first, Wawn is I

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had never gone earlier?

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Speaker 2: Wow? Here if I may, I just happened to hang

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up the phone with a dear friend of mine and

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if I could share this story with you, because you're

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talking about Nick Pope, in twenty fifteen, I went to

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my very first contact in the desert. I had found

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a flyer sitting on the floor. I had no idea

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what contact in the desert was, and I picked it up.

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I was like, God, look at all these guys here.

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I've got to go with this. And I went all

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by myself. This was when it was in the desert,

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remember when it was actually like in the desert. And

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I went there all by myself and I was a

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one hundred and some degrees. Was crazy. And four hours

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into my first day of being there, I was walking

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and you were on like just I got a hiking

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trail going between one area to another area, and it

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was a long way and it was really hot. And

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the book. What am I going to go do next?

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me a little bit before behind me, and I was like, God,

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it's hot or something like that, and they said, yeah,

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this is ridiculous, and we started chatting a little bit.

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the very first speaker that I had i'd met at

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this thing, and he talked to me for ten minutes

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and just like another guy, and wow, it was so awesome.

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what if nothing else happens and I go home. Now,

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this was worth it because I got to spend ten

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minutes with Nick Pope, just me and him, and I

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got a big thrill out of it. And then, of

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course things have progressed and I got involved and got

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to know Nick a little bit, and he was at

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every single contact, one of the very few people that's

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gone every single one. So it's going to be sad

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not to have him there.

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Speaker 1: I I communicate a little bit here and there with

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hilarious post. I think it's funny anyone that got to

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know Nick a little bit. Like the new They liked

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to have a couple of drinks. Oh yeah, and the

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wapress said to him when he were a drink at

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a bar and they're all sitting there, and she said, sir,

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little thing I had made up for the tribute I

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did last week, And yeah, he's definitely going to be missed.

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Lee Spiegel and we lost him a couple of years ago.

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steady voices I want to call them. And Chris O'Brien

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was a friend of mine for years. He stayed at

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my guest house and we had a lot of fun

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over the years. And yeah, we're just seeing another they're

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dropping off and yeah, yeah, was he ever contact right, Yes.

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Speaker 2: He's been there many times absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, near the show and yeah, yeah, I think all

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the way back to high school than the book, kicking

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around and thinking what is this? Chariots to the card,

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Speaker 2: What is that?

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Speaker 1: And what a story he had to barely making it

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there and getting in all this trouble and then finally

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of his life. But anyway, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then the Ancient Helien things, all of that. So

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these guys, it sucks losing these pillars in our community.

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Speaker 1: And I have to ask you rong because I don't

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know if I ever have asked you this, But what

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got you interested in the topic to begin with?

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Speaker 2: I had a childhood fascination with it, nothing serious, just

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always curious and always liked it. But I there, it

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is Eric van Deannigan's book. I read that and I

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read Communion, the two must reads in this community. And boy,

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to this? And why are people not talking about this?

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background as a hobby and an interest on the side.

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I got asked to do a podcast about cannabis, actually

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about medical cannabis. And the guy that owned the station

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was Tony Sweet and his partner on his Truth Be

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you like UFOs? Aren't you into that? I'm like, yeah,

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a little bit, And he's why don't you come on

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and co host with me? And I was like, I

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wonder if I'm ready for that? But I did. And

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by the nature of doing a show, you read the

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people's books, you study them, and you just learn more.

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Every week you've got a new guest, You've got more

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to research, and next thing, you know, your knee deep

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in this. And this is one of those topics where

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the more you know, the more there is to know,

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and you just keep going in these rabbit holes. And

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it's I feel like I know less now than I

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did fifteen years ago after studying the hell out of it.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, if you ask any of the longtime listeners

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I have, they'll say, oh yeah, I hear Martin say

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the same thing. I've said that many times. But it's funny.

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I just for the listeners that may be new. I

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just see a couple in chat and thank you all

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for being here in chat. But I myself, I had

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a sighting and I tucked it away. And back in

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two thousand and seven, I tucked it away and because

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I got embarrassed right away at work. I worked at

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an auction gallery, and I got embarrassed when I talked

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about it. But anyway, I did a podcast on antiques

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and fine arts starting in two thousand and nine. Then

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good people on there, Jenny Kirkman, and I'm trying to

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think of some other number of people I did. I

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was interviewing comedians, I thought, that's even more fun than antiques.

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quicker and all the time you want, yeah, Ed, I'm

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trying to Krasnik ed Krasnik comedian. He interviewed beyond his

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he did a show, and he did he had moon

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that ever happened to you? And so I told him

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did the probing begin? And all that say he was

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forget what it has? Meta or something like that, and

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he says, that word UFO is really big. It's a

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big search word. And I thought, maybe I'm going to

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twenty eleven. It was just like that, because if I

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probably more of that than anything else. So they could

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be interdimensional, they could be time problems, they could be

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to tell me that they know what's going on, the

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to talk about something that we don't really know. Yep.

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Speaker 1: And actually another thing that I the longer I do

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this and you just you said, the less you know whatever,

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I'm feeling like, the less I know about reality in general.

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These weird synchronicity things happen and stuff like that that

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just don't make any sense. You think something and then

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it shows up, or all these weird things happen. They've

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been happening lately. The last few years, and I'm just thinking,

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maybe maybe we don't even really understand what's going on

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around us, right.

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Speaker 2: We don't, Martin. I just took Dalia's class. Do you

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know Dahalia bergoing yet? Oh? Okay, yes, yeah, I just

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took her class. And I was able to tell the

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color of paper with a blindfold on just by touch.

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through a mask. And I don't even know what's real anymore.

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think that antis can hold energy of previous owners. I've

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I suggest to see the movie called The Red Violin.

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That's a great movie to watch. But anyway, I do

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collector too, and I have brought some things home that

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but it felt like a bad energy. But a lot

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oftentimes I'll look at something really amazing and I think, God,

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if I could only know the life of this thing

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from the beginning, what type of life it had, the

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conversations around it and things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, you hear these stories of the hitchhiker effect

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as they call it, when it gets you, But they

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also say it gets on these dolls. They say, are

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that one in the museum?

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something about Key Wes maybe something.

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but yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah.

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different topics here, but I think we should at this

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point just dive into contact in the desert first and

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then we'll do our other topics that I'd like to hit.

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So what can we look for this time of year?

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the desert and the speakers, if you just go over

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the specifics right now and just let everyone know exactly

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the day and what we could expect.

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Speaker 2: No desert is near Palm Springs, California, in the Coachella Valley.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 2: You just fly right into Palm Springs and it's May

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twenty eighth through June. First. Yeah, look at some of

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the names we got this year, Martin Jacques Valet, Eric Davis,

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of course, George Knapp, and George Nori, along with Jeremy

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Corbell bringing Beatrice in from Stockholm.

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Speaker 1: She's wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's amazing. Yeah, you see Poul's doing the telepathy tapes.

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Scott Gearson is going to come forward with a new

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story that he's never told, and he's going to be

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testifying in Congress. Jeffrey NEWSATELLI just testifying kind.

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Speaker 1: And I met him, this is something. I met him

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in at James Fox event in Washington, d C. And

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was talking to him and everything, and I'm thinking, God,

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he's so familiar, and then I remembered he was at

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Speaker 2: He was at the hearings with George Knapp, who will

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also be here. Yeah. Yeah, Doctor tom Mas Campbell wrote

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the book My Big Toe which is theory of everything.

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How cool is that? And it talks about the simulation

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that we could be living in as a closed system.

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Chris Bledsoe has been making a lot of things. Tim

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Galladett and Diane Posalka. My god, it's just such so

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great to have all of these people. It's just having

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them all together, and then it's fun having them talk

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to each other as well, and they exchange ideas of

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what they're talking about. James Keenan's been doing fascinating stuff.

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Caroline Corey's got a brand new movie called Superhuman two

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that has Dahlia and her daughter Lee Doo in it.

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It's going to be amazing. It's going to world premiere

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at Contact. We have a bunch of world premiere movies

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as a matter of fact, Martin, Yeah, we'll go through. Yeah.

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Thomas Jane's been so great. Hakeem's doing the Spy Games.

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It's fantastic. It takes place in July and it deals

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with a lot of the Siah abilities that people are developing,

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and he explores that it's really good. Paul Smith doing

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the remote viewing. Of course, Sarah Bruxman Cosume was a

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master qhht. She did the Dolores Cannon type stuff. She

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studied with Dolores Canyon. Yeah, Sarah gam was on the

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UAP Task Force.

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Speaker 1: Sarah's a friend. She's a lovely person.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Pascal, doctor Simon, Simeon Hine and Riswan of course

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another simulative this guy yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, deep deep, yeah, yeah, he's been on a lot.

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It's so funny with a lot of people that know

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that pay attention to the show. A lot of these

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people have been on the show, but there's some new

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people that I'm going to be trying to get on.

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So this will be great.

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Speaker 2: Well, contact will be a good opportunity. You can bring him.

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You got the media thing, we can get you hooked

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up there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, now I've been working on that. Oh that's good.

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This hang on. This is just does some weird things here.

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But yeah, Diana is great. She was on my show.

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I had her scheduled for show and then something happened.

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You're a very busy person, so I'm glad she's going

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to be there.

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Speaker 2: I know what.

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Speaker 1: She's a professor and we are.

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Speaker 2: Just so lucky how things fall together and they come

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to Contact. It's unbelievable. Contact has a little life of

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its own. We just as curators that kind of help it.

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But it's right again, I'm a three D world guy.

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But it's amazing how these things fall apart. Like people

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will say, no, I can't do it. I'm gone. April,

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May and June. The only weekend I could do it

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would be these three days. So that's the days. And

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oh my god, can you believe stuff like that happens?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And what happened during COVID, because I know I

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used to be I used to help out at the

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International UFO Congress. I was involved behind the scenes on

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that one in particular, also doing interviews there, and COVID

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came and just shut that down. And what happened to

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Contact during COVID twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Contact had a huge year. It was fantastic, and then

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in twenty twenty they had to shut it down. This

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was a couple months after March. It was at the

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same time, end of May, so this is three months

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into COVID. They obviously had to shut it down, canceled it,

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and then in twenty one they did a online virtual

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version of it, and then they didn't do one in

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twenty two.

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Speaker 1: That's because twenty twenty one was really bad online. Everyone

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was saying the onlines were terrible as far as that

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people losing money. They were losing money doing that, which

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is really sadly.

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Speaker 2: There was a problem with that. Yeah, that was certainly

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an issue, and then in twenty two they decided to

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sell it and Gordon Peckrell, who did the UFO MEGACN

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for years up in Laughlin. Yeah, he's also done events

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in Vernon, Utah, Vernal Utah and he did the UFO

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MEGICN for years. He ended up buying it from her,

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and luckily, through a series of synchronicities, I was also

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brought in and then Gordon and I partnered. So this

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will be our fourth one and it's gotten bigger and

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better every year since we've brought it back, and it

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just feels really good to have it back. I had

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gone for several years in a row there and it

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was my favorite week of the year because it's just

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an amazing experiences as you've got to see, and I'm

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glad you see how special it is. It's just people

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don't talk about politics, they don't walk around on their phone,

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they actually interact with each other and they actually talk

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about these things openly and fairly and honestly, and just

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that alone is refreshing. If we didn't have the big

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name speakers and the big name stuff, it's just a

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great atmosphere. It's just something to be around it. There's

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something to being there live.

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Speaker 1: And this last year I met some people, came friends,

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were in touch all the time, and we're looking forward

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to meeting up there again. They're in Italy right now.

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Speaker 2: That these things happened, Martin. David Grush testified live during

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Contact in the Desert. We stopped our event and watched

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it together live. We all piled into one room and

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watched it because it was going live. So that happened.

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meet friends. Do you know the Dolans met it Contact

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in the Desert.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I wouldn't doubt it.

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Speaker 2: And they got married. So you know, these things happen,

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you never know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was in the audience there with David

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Grush was testifying. I was a second to last person

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in the door. Awesome, out of thirty they only had

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thirty seats at that time for and I was there

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at five in the morning, so luckily my producer and

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I get in the door. But yeah, that was very historic,

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that hole. That just felt really really something really and

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it is and Gordon. Going back to Gordon, Gordon's a

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great guy and he's want to have He's very financially fit,

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I'll put it that way. And it's so good to

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have the backing of someone like that with such a

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big event that you're putting together because I know, because people.

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Speaker 2: Are under the illusion that this thing just prints money

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and it's just the couldn't be further from the truth.

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That's not what happens. This is an extremely expensive event

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to put on. We bring in people from all over

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the world, We get all these flights, all these hotel rooms,

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all it's extremely expensive. And I thanks thankfully Gordon, and

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he's driven by his mission of getting the word out

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to the world that there's more to what we think

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in our three D reality. And it's just a blessing

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from God to have Gordon behind this. It's wonderful. Yeah.

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Plus he's a nice guy too, he's awesome. Absolutely. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So let's let you talked about films. What are the

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films that are going to be debuting or premiering.

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Speaker 2: I should say the premiering ones are Caroline Corey for sure.

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to be premiered.

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Speaker 1: And see if I can pull this up on the

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website here.

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Speaker 2: We don't have that up yet because we're waiting. We're

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still waiting for everybody to give us their ye, that'll

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be coming up any moment. We're just waiting for the

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filmmakers because there's stuff that's how new this is. They

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don't even have it yet. They're like, yeah, we're getting that.

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Speaker 1: Caroline, you don't mind. I'm going to put up what's

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what we have? What you have here so far?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there it is. There's let's say, have the wrong No,

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that's it. S four is the Lazaar story by Luigi. Yeah,

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and yeah, the psychic psychic phenomenon right there. Darcy Weir's film,

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absolutely Darcy will. Darcy is going to do a talk

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after with a lot of the people in his film,

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which will be great. There's the Experiences World premiere from

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Dean Aliotto yep, good Friend Dean, yep. Dean's a good

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Man Truth next, which is finally completely finished by Ron James.

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He had showed a lot of clips from it last year,

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but right now it's the final product.

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Speaker 1: And there's the filmmakers for some of them right here.

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Speaker 2: Excellent Caroline Corey's Superhuman Too will be added to that

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momentarily m m and that'll be brand new, and again

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Jeremy Corbell's film. So it's going to be really great

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seeing some of the new latest stuff. That's the fun

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thing about Contact Too is you know, we try not

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to run this with a heavy hand at all. We

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try to let people talk about whatever they want to

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talk about, but we're always trying to push forward. What

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are you working on, what's the latest, newest thing you have?

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Bring that to Contact So sometimes debut their film there,

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they'll debut a new talk there, they'll debut so we

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get the brand new stuff, which is always a lot

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of fun.

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Speaker 1: And so just to let people know, I want to

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thank you all for being here in Chat and you're

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welcome to pose any questions if you'd like. Just make

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sure that you do it in caps so I don't

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miss them, all right, Getting onto other movies, we have

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some exciting movies. Or I saw a movie recently that

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I thought was really great. The Hail Mary project. I

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thought that was really fun movie. I don't know if

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he happened to catch that or.

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Speaker 2: Not yet, but I want to It looks a great one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good one. And then we have a

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lot of people have been talking about the Steven Spielberg

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film Disclosure Day, and I got to tell you I

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did with someone that helps me out here. We did

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just a review of the trailer and we had seventy

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thousand views on YouTube in a very short time. It's amazing.

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So I think it's going to be extremely popular this

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year coming out. I believe it's June twelve.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's ten days after Contact. How serendipitous is that. Yeah,

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00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,119
we're really excited about it, of course.

475
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe get Spielberg to show up.

476
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: That would be phenomenal. Yeah, and stranger things have happened,

477
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,000
you never know, and it would be great to have

478
00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:11,960
them come. And I think that looking back at the

479
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,599
Close Encounters of the Third kind of course, here we

480
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,119
are fifty years later, Martin, and look at how true

481
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,839
to the folklore of the community that film was and

482
00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:25,240
is it really is a very accurate portrayal. It's not

483
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:31,119
a slightly deviation from what the culture talks about. Other

484
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,799
than that exact location, it's pretty much true to form.

485
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:37,559
It rings very true. So I'm fascinated to see what

486
00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:41,680
he does with disclosure, and maybe that'll be foreshadowing. It's

487
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:42,839
in our possible future.

488
00:24:44,079 --> 00:24:48,839
Speaker 1: Now. I just heard yesterday. I believe that there is

489
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:54,480
some real film that's going to be in that movie,

490
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,759
and in Las Vegas they showed a clip of that

491
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,480
in promoting this movie, and so that I don't know,

492
00:25:01,519 --> 00:25:02,440
have you heard about.

493
00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: I have not heard about that. I did hear about

494
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:07,640
the forty six clips that were supposed to be really

495
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,960
two days today, it's now five point thirty eight thirty

496
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,559
Eastern time. It's not going to happen.

497
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I wonder that's right. There was supposed to

498
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,880
be today. The fourteenth was the deadline, and I wonder anything.

499
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,319
Speaker 2: At all has happened concerned, right, Yeah, they just went

500
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,559
right by it. So that's disappointing.

501
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: That's what seems to happen a bit these days. Here's

502
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,279
a question here for you. Run the UFO Jackie's.

503
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely can it is incredible? Yes, you can try it

504
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,119
at home. It's a matter of you can't think of

505
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,720
it as color. If you jump right to color, it's

506
00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:50,000
very difficult. You won't be able to go This one's red.

507
00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:55,440
But Dolligett taught us how you feel different pieces of

508
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,920
paper even though they're they She opened a brand new

509
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,559
pack of colored paper for us right in front of them,

510
00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:03,480
and it's like you look at it and you say, oh, yeah,

511
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,799
they all feel the same. Then you put on a

512
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,279
fully blacked out black blindfold you can't see anything, and

513
00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:14,279
then she'll be like, see if they feel different to you,

514
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,839
try to compare them. And everybody was able to do this.

515
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,400
It was like, this feels heavier. Some people would say

516
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:29,039
this feels wetter, this feels drier, this feels thicker, this

517
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,880
feels rougher, this feels smoother. And then so in your

518
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,559
brain it's the smooth one is yellow, the rough one

519
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,920
is red, the heavy one is blue. And I'll be damn,

520
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,400
I mean, I honestly, I think I got nineteen out

521
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:51,039
of twenty correct blindfold. It was amazing. It's absolutely a

522
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,400
remarkable thing. And it's something about the vibration of the

523
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,920
color that makes it possible to do this. But it

524
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,119
just it doesn't seem impossible, and yet it is possible,

525
00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:07,480
and she's going to be teaching this at contact. It

526
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:09,200
there's a little bit more to it, and she goes

527
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,839
into it a little bit more in depth, but it

528
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,599
comes down to that. And it didn't take eight days

529
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,720
to learn this. It took an hour. Within a couple hours,

530
00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:22,119
we were doing it, boom boom, back and forth. It's

531
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,759
pretty incredible and it just another thing that speaks to

532
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,000
there is more to our world than we realize. We

533
00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:31,559
do not have an understanding of consciousness yet, and we

534
00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:34,440
do not have an understanding of base reality to be honest.

535
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, So I'm gonna flip back to the Steven

536
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,720
Spielberg Disclosure Day and other movies and because this came

537
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:48,799
up in a show I was doing recently, and do

538
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,000
you think that Hollywood is Oh yeah, I had Bryce

539
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,440
sable In Brint on my show and we were talking

540
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,640
about this. Do you think Hollywood is helping prepare the

541
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:06,000
public shaping the narrative of the possible disclosure?

542
00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: That talk goes back to the fifties, Martin. They were

543
00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:12,440
saying that back in the fifties that they thought Hollywood

544
00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:17,279
was trying to get people to prepare for this. I

545
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:20,519
don't know if that's intended. It could be, but I

546
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:24,240
certainly think mister Spielberg is very tapped in and seems

547
00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:27,319
to know a lot about this. You can tell that

548
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,000
movie's fifty years old, Close Encounters. He's very informed on

549
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:36,359
this topic clearly, So I wouldn't be surprised if it

550
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,160
may or may not be by design to get us prepared.

551
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,599
But I think he's going to be very informed, and

552
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,680
this might really have some telltale signs of reality in it.

553
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see it, and some have already. You

554
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,039
know how some people can criticize anything. Some people are

555
00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:57,240
already saying, oh, this is just another blah blah blah, whatever,

556
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,240
it doesn't matter. It's about anything that's Steven Spielberg does

557
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,000
is really good in my opinion.

558
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't mean it's true. It's not a documentary,

559
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:09,000
but there may be interesting elements in it, and it's

560
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,279
probably going to be a great film.

561
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm definitely sure it will. All Right, you

562
00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:19,880
wrote something for the Wow Signal You talked about real disclosure.

563
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,799
Since we're basically talking about that, so what is your

564
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,799
overall opinion about where you think that's heading or not heading?

565
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,599
And you just mentioned the fifties. I talk about this

566
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,319
all the time, Like I saw a nineteen fifties video

567
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,960
on YouTube where the guy wearing a derby says, I

568
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,119
just want to know the truth before I die. That

569
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,440
was in the fifties. So I think we have hope

570
00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:49,480
that something's going to be disclosed. But what is your thoughts.

571
00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:52,599
Speaker 2: In twenty thirteen, fourteen, when we started doing truth Betoil,

572
00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:54,000
I used to say that all the time. I used

573
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,680
to be like, I just want to know before I die.

574
00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:57,880
I just want to know before I die. It's funny,

575
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,279
that's really what I used to say. Now, there's been

576
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:04,599
a lot of smoke lately. We had the Obama incident,

577
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,480
we had Trump saying that's classified. We've had Luna pushing

578
00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:11,440
for these forty six videos that were supposed to be

579
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,000
out today. Clearly we've had more from the government than

580
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,359
we've had ever and that's very exciting and it makes

581
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,440
me think that maybe something could happen. But I still

582
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:28,359
am in the camp of there's no reason to disclose

583
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,680
this information that I know of, or that we all

584
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,640
know of. If maybe the beings themselves were going to

585
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,240
do something, or another country was going to do something,

586
00:30:38,319 --> 00:30:40,319
there may be some impetus on the inside for us

587
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:42,720
to do it. But if not, no, in my opinion,

588
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:46,960
this information, if the government has it, it is maintained

589
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:52,920
by a small black ops, black budgeted program that's very small,

590
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,480
special access program. And why would they release this information.

591
00:30:57,559 --> 00:30:59,759
They have the secrets of the world and energy in this.

592
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,920
There's no upside for them. There's a lot of downsides

593
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,680
that I can think of, and there's no upsides that

594
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,240
I can think of other than the right thing to

595
00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:12,759
do and share this with the world. So in my view,

596
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,880
I am still highly skeptical that we will get disclosure

597
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,279
official government disclosures.

598
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,079
Speaker 1: I've said this too, and I don't know how you

599
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:26,480
feel about it, but I think that the government doesn't

600
00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:30,680
know everything, and because they don't know everything, or they

601
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,440
can't say that they can protect us for one thing,

602
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:34,920
not alone.

603
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: Stop right there, that's enough for them not to do it.

604
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,599
And I also think that these people in arrow and

605
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,440
in these front facing things, they don't really know the

606
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:47,759
good stuff. I think the people that do hold that

607
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:54,440
knowledge are in a small, high level, very controlled, contained group,

608
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:56,960
so that when they say, oh, you've got to release

609
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:02,440
all your files from this office, sure office doesn't have anything. Sure,

610
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:04,960
give them all your office. You got nonsense, you got

611
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:07,759
a few little sightings or whatever. But the guys that

612
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:10,880
have really seen the bodies and seen the beings and

613
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,240
have been studying this, they're not getting those requests. I

614
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:20,359
don't think anything super substantial is going to come. Yeah.

615
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: I have to also tell you this because I've talked

616
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,200
about it a couple of times on this show. The

617
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:27,960
place that I'm at in the winters in South Carolina,

618
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,240
there's a group where we sit around and strum on

619
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:34,359
our guitars, songs and stuff like that. So in the

620
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,559
group I met this guy and I ended up telling

621
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:39,279
him I do a show on UFOs And he said, oh,

622
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:41,599
he goes, I used to see the UFO guys in

623
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,599
Ohio and at Wright Patterson blue Book and we used

624
00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:47,960
to sit around in the cafeteria and talk all this

625
00:32:48,079 --> 00:32:49,519
is really interesting is going.

626
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: On and on.

627
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:52,119
Speaker 1: And he says, and then yeah, he says, and then

628
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,200
they shut down, And he says, but you know that

629
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,640
they were still there. I said, what do you mean

630
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,559
they were still there? He said, yeah, he said, they

631
00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:02,920
shut down. He goes, I don't know, was it seventy

632
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,640
nineteen seventy or something like that, and he said, he

633
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,599
said there were still some of them there and I

634
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:08,839
used to still talk to them.

635
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:12,759
Speaker 2: Wow, wouldn't be surprised at all. I think there are

636
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:16,079
people that do know, but I just don't see it coming. Unfortunately,

637
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:19,160
I'd love it too. Yeah, it's going to be. It's

638
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:19,960
here's the question.

639
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,079
Speaker 1: If the government disclosed that they're a UFOSS, you think

640
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:25,039
it would change religious beliefs.

641
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:29,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, to a degree. Certainly. That's one of the fears

642
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:32,960
they think. And we don't know what this is. So

643
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,799
are these spiritual beings? Are they on the other side,

644
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:41,279
are they dead? Are they from another planet across the thing?

645
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:44,279
Are they from another dimension? It's very possible to me

646
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,559
that we just don't. We haven't developed the technology yet

647
00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:50,799
that they're coming from another dimension parallel to ours. We

648
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,240
see into infrared now because we have technology to do that,

649
00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:58,400
but we before that was invented, we only saw what

650
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,119
we could see with our eyes, and that was it.

651
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:04,000
Maybe it's something similar. We get technology that can see

652
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:07,400
into this thing and pick up these vibrations, and maybe

653
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,519
we'll be able to learn more. But I don't know.

654
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:13,599
I think religion could play nice with this there's no

655
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:17,440
reason you couldn't say that your God created other life

656
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,599
forms and other dimensions. To me, it all could easily

657
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:24,559
fit in. And we've heard things from the Vatican that

658
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:27,159
seem to support that's possible. And I think that's great.

659
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: We'll see, Yeah, I did. I was lucky enough to

660
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:37,840
interview a priest that was at Washington, d C. When

661
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,000
David Rush was there. Everyone was leaving. I met David Rush.

662
00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:44,519
Everyone was walking out and I look and there's this

663
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:48,000
priest just standing there. So I go hello, I said, so,

664
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,000
do you have an interest? And so we sat down

665
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,400
in the cafeteria and Loue Alisando wasn't even supposed to

666
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,280
be there, but he walked behind us. Everybody saw him.

667
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,159
I didn't even see him. But I had a great

668
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:00,360
conversation with this guy, and he said he wanted to

669
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,920
make sure that he's not saying he represents the Catholic Church.

670
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,480
But here is his thoughts and it was very balanced.

671
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,239
And that is on in my YouTube channel somewhere if

672
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,360
anyone could search that. I can't think of the father's

673
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,280
name right now. But so the Catholic interest, the Catholic religion,

674
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,000
the popes have said in the past. I mean that,

675
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,519
why does it have to be just here? I think

676
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,760
that's right. But they he did say we could offer

677
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,719
to baptize him. I don't know if you ever heard

678
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,000
that one. They actually did, I hope did say that.

679
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,440
So I checked on the forty six videos that were

680
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,440
supposed to be released today, and they were supposed to

681
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,639
be released to Congress, so they wouldn't have we wouldn't

682
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:42,159
have eyeballs on that, unfortunately.

683
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:43,199
Speaker 2: But Congress would have said we got them.

684
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: They did not get them as far they're not. At

685
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:48,599
least they're not saying that they got them.

686
00:35:48,519 --> 00:35:52,559
Speaker 2: So far, Luna, somebody would have said, they've received this.

687
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,119
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. Chat definitely would have been out there

688
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:57,280
talking about it if they were.

689
00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, last week he said I've recently heard things

690
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,440
that would knock your socks off. He was really like wow,

691
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,039
So yeah, he must have put something in a skiff,

692
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:09,719
which is interesting. I love it. I love that guys

693
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,760
like him in that position are being that honest and

694
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,599
that vocal about it.

695
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, that's right. And he had an interest a

696
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,719
long time in UFOs in particular, he actually had listened

697
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,679
to my show when I met him, and he's been

698
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,639
on this show since, but he did. He had an

699
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:32,239
interest in this, and I'm really glad that he's pushing it.

700
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,079
He was really, he's really he said something I heard

701
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:37,679
an interview, not an interview. He was just walking along,

702
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,400
I think, talking on his phone. How a lot of

703
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,320
people don't like him, like they want me out of

704
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,559
here anyway. That's all right, I don't like them either,

705
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:47,920
you know, that's.

706
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 2: A good attitude. Burlsen too, Eric Burlinsson's doing amazing things.

707
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, yeah, here's a might as well talk

708
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,920
about it, because a lot of people are talking about this,

709
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:02,199
about the demon narrative. You hear a lot of people

710
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,360
talking about it. They're saying, even the upper people.

711
00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 2: Even the vice president, has taken this position. He came

712
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,000
out about this the other day, that's right. So he

713
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,039
absolutely did. And it's incredible to think that the vice

714
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:20,079
president is talking about UFOs and demonic beings's I love

715
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,800
that at least we've gotten this far that we're having

716
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,519
former president, current president, current vice president talking about this

717
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,599
in an open way, in an honest way, saying something

718
00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:35,519
as bold as demonic was something that wouldn't have happened

719
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:39,039
twenty years ago. Ever, so I think that's good. Again.

720
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:41,320
I think we're dealing with an unknown. Sure, why is

721
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,800
that not on the table? My argument against the demonic

722
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,000
thing would be as far as we as far as

723
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:50,360
we can tell, I don't know that they've done anything

724
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:54,280
evil or awful to us. It would seem like, if anything,

725
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,239
they're benevolent. I think there if anything possibly here to

726
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,159
help we. Usually the report we get from people with

727
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,719
claimed interaction with them is that take care of your planet,

728
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,000
stop at the nukes, So that seems to me like

729
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:11,760
they're not a demonic being would be like, hey, let

730
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,960
me play with the nukes or let's yeah, they wouldn't

731
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,480
say these positive messages. My guess, since we're dealing with

732
00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:21,360
an unknown is that if other entities are coming here

733
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,280
in these infinite different realms that we've been talking about,

734
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,559
probably like here on Earth, there's probably good and bad

735
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,960
and probably different factions. That's what I would guess.

736
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would too, And we do think about that.

737
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,360
I can't think of right off the top of my head.

738
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:42,000
But the Brazilian case where the Virginia are no not Virginia, Yeah,

739
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,000
that too, of course about the being and everything, but

740
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:49,119
there was harm to people from this somewhere in Brazil

741
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:51,199
there was like a light. I know people in chatt

742
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:53,719
will probably know what I'm talking about, but in the

743
00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:56,400
it was before Virginia incident.

744
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: But anyway, the other side of it, I'm sorry.

745
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,199
Speaker 1: I just can't think of the name of the incident.

746
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 2: The other side of the Virginia thing is that surgeon

747
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,280
who came out in Fox's new film. Yes, he said

748
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:13,920
that being to him felt angelic. Yeah, that was his take,

749
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,559
So that's interesting.

750
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,159
Speaker 1: Yep, that's right. I have a clip. I got to

751
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:24,039
interview him in person in Washington, DC when he was there,

752
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:27,199
and he actually got a tear in his eye during

753
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:29,840
the interview because he felt bad for the being because

754
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,840
I said he was there was a great woman there

755
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,960
that was translating, and I asked the question and said,

756
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,400
how did you feel about this? And he felt sorry

757
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,719
for him and he felt like the thing just wanted

758
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,400
to get back or whatever, wanted to be safe and

759
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:46,639
was very scared.

760
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: I found that guy extremely compelling.

761
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,679
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, he's very There's no reason in the world,

762
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,239
as James Fox said, there's no reason in the world

763
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,119
why he didn't make any money out of it or anything.

764
00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:02,119
He just saw his colleague, you know, do I have

765
00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:08,159
a heart attack with the information? And then he had right, yes,

766
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,519
And so he thought, I'm not going out without sharing.

767
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:16,559
Speaker 2: And and and that's compelling as well. Yeah, rings true

768
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:18,360
to me that gee, if that happened to me, I

769
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,400
would probably do the same thing. That. There's not a

770
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,400
lot of these that I find as credible as that.

771
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:27,760
I think that's a very strong witness, firsthand witness, and

772
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,480
the way he describes it. And this is not the

773
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:33,679
classic guy out working on a farm with a tinfoil hat.

774
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:39,239
This guy is a literal brain surgeon. He's a neuroscientist

775
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,199
who operates on brains. Literally.

776
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: That's great.

777
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:45,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a pretty incredible guy. Yep.

778
00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: And he's very sincere. I got to tell you, when

779
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,199
you talk to him or you hear him talk, even

780
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:52,360
though you may not understand his language, you can just

781
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,280
tell he's a very sincere and caring person. I could

782
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,079
tell that right away.

783
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:59,559
Speaker 2: And he got emotional about recounting this, and he's, like

784
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:03,000
you said, he's tearing up because he felt for this being.

785
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:05,360
And I thought it was some of the most fascinating

786
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,480
testimony I've ever heard from a witness like that. That

787
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:13,960
he said, how he could tell that the being fully

788
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:18,280
understood what was happening. Yeah, okay, I'm here. They've caught me,

789
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,639
They've got me. He was at peace with that, he

790
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,800
felt that had feelings well done. Yes, agreed, And I

791
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,840
thought that was very compelling. And again it all just

792
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,960
rang true for me. I'm very suspicious of many of

793
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,960
these cases and many of these witnesses. You just never know,

794
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,719
but I gotta be honest. I found that extremely compelling

795
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,599
and extremely strong, and I think it's I love that

796
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:45,239
James Fox is really digging into this case because there's

797
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,519
two stuff there. Yeah.

798
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: I know other people looked at it and did some

799
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,679
work on it, doctor Roger Lear and a number of

800
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,679
other people. James really brought this back. I had to

801
00:41:56,679 --> 00:42:00,519
talk with Leslie Kane about that. He really pulled this

802
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:05,079
back from going into obscurity and being more or less

803
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:09,079
forgotten about. And one wonderful job. And I know there's

804
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:13,880
still could be more because there is that that video

805
00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:17,000
that was taken at the hospital, and that may some

806
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,039
day that may surface. You never know.

807
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,119
Speaker 2: Isn't it interesting how on the brink of death several

808
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:25,519
of these said, you know, Roswell had faded into oblivion.

809
00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and that was long gone for forever. Until

810
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:35,840
nineteen seventy nine or eighty, that had been totally forgotten about.

811
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's his name? Another guy we lost, physicist.

812
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Stanton Freeman.

813
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 2: Stanton did a lot of good work on n covering

814
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,960
that and getting to Jesse, Marcel and everything. And now

815
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,719
look how big Roswell is. It's incredible how these cases

816
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,800
they could go away and the world has changed. I

817
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,320
think in nineteen forty seven it was probably pretty easy

818
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,960
to put something out and dismiss this and cover things up.

819
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:04,000
If we had a Phoenix lights today, with every single

820
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:06,639
person having a phone in their pocket and a camera

821
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,599
on their person, I think it would be a totally

822
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:14,159
different thing. And that was just thirty years ago.

823
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: But all you had at that time was those big,

824
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,039
bulky VCR type cameras and there were.

825
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 2: Still had a lot of witnesses with that.

826
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:23,559
Speaker 1: That's what you can.

827
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,159
Speaker 2: Imagine today, thirty years later, we all have a much

828
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:32,519
higher quality HD camera in our pockets and it would

829
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:35,440
spread like wildfire that I just saw this on social

830
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,239
media and then all run outside with their cameras. And

831
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,880
I think if we had another Phoenix lights incident. It

832
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,440
would really be something today.

833
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:49,199
Speaker 1: It'd have to be so widespread because people are so

834
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,559
suspicious now a suspect of everything. With AI, AI can

835
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:57,320
do anything, which is another scary thing when it comes

836
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,159
to this topic.

837
00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: But if you had thousands and thousands of people and

838
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,360
they were tracking it and everything, you could really make

839
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,320
a compelling case.

840
00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: That would be it. Yes, that would be it. Here's

841
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,400
a Christopher always has some interesting questions. How you heard

842
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,960
any counts of NHI studying our species history by reading

843
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:16,719
our DNA.

844
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:22,639
Speaker 2: That's interesting, Christopher, that is a fascinating question. I've never

845
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,639
personally heard that. I don't know if you have, Martin,

846
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,599
I never have, but I think it's really fascinating as

847
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:32,239
something I don't believe is that we have junk DNA

848
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,960
or dark matter, doesn't matter. This is stuff they just

849
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,719
can't explain yet. There's no way we were carrying around

850
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,360
all this wasted space of junk DNA. Given enough time

851
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,000
and technology, we will figure out what it is, and

852
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:46,679
it's probably something very important.

853
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: Did you ever do any talk about any archives? Oh

854
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,440
wait a minute, this is curated collections like archives of

855
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,960
the impossible for a future UFO research came up when

856
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,599
I was looking things up to talk about tonight. Do

857
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:07,360
you have any involvement in any of that.

858
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: In the Archives of the Impossible? Yeah, no, No, okay,

859
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,239
somehow a lot of these guys who curate this stuff though,

860
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,480
these library guys like mar and even Jordan's David Marler's

861
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:27,719
got amazing stuff. Rice University at Clause in Switzerland has

862
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:31,800
miles of Yeah.

863
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: No, I think that's all really important.

864
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,199
Speaker 2: And these guys are heroes.

865
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: They are and preserving collections. Like I mentioned earlier, my

866
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,199
friend Lee Spiegel had quite a collection and Dave Marler

867
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,679
was able to curate that and he has it out there.

868
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 2: You're going to storytized, thank god, because you hear these

869
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,000
stories of the guy dies and then their kids are like,

870
00:45:56,039 --> 00:45:58,639
I don't want these boxes of UFO cases. I'll just

871
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:01,639
throw that in the trash. And it's heartbreaking because all

872
00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:05,000
of that work and all of those accounts get lost

873
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:07,800
to history and it's terrible. And these guys that save

874
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,920
that and rescue that, I think it's invaluable. I think

875
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,480
those guys are all heroes, and I think we might

876
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:18,000
do something for them at Contact next year. Cheryl Costa,

877
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:21,440
Look what the works done and accounted all those things.

878
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:26,119
It's incredible. It's incredible, right, yep, yep.

879
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: There was a story about all the Project Bluebook files

880
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,559
getting thrown out and the guy caught it at an

881
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,719
estate sale. I had him on my show. That was

882
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,599
that was just pure luck, pure luck. He was just

883
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:39,880
at the right place at the right time. I'll let

884
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,559
you answer this one. Yeah, you think that's a blob

885
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:44,280
Blazar documentary S four.

886
00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 2: I've seen several documentaries about bib Bleazarre, and I've recently

887
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,079
got to see S four. I think it is fantastic.

888
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:54,920
I think it's well done. The interesting thing about this

889
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:58,519
film is how Luigi's been able to use the newer

890
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:05,960
technology to actually recreate Bob's story in a three D space. So,

891
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:08,320
in fact, we're going to show that a contact in

892
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,119
the desert. They've taken Bob's account and come up with

893
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:16,360
the exact measurements of what he says he saw. So

894
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,119
he says that was from here to there, and they

895
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:21,880
measured that it was fifty nine feet I think it

896
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,239
was fifty nine feet six inches as a matter of fact.

897
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,559
So they recreated that in a VR three D space,

898
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:33,280
and they've made everything exactly right off of what Bob said,

899
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:35,360
and so you can go up and walk into the

900
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:40,320
thing in with a virtual reality headset see exactly what

901
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:45,559
Bob saw. So I think the animation is accurate to

902
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:48,440
Bob's story and really well done. That's the thing. And

903
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,199
he tells the whole story of the Bob Bazar story,

904
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,320
which is well done as well. I think Luigi did

905
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,719
a great job, all right.

906
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,159
Speaker 1: I like Luigi and you and I had a conversation

907
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,159
before the show of how I feel about Bob Azar.

908
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,280
So I'll just leave it at that. I only wish

909
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,119
Luigi on his endeavors. So someone here just I would

910
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,679
going to ask this person to please email me about

911
00:48:11,679 --> 00:48:15,599
this my email addresses Martin att PODCASTUFO dot com. I

912
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:18,800
want to know about this a near Phoenix light in

913
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:23,119
New Jersey. Unless you're talking about the drones, which was

914
00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:29,039
a very prevalent this last Christmas time wintertime in New Jersey.

915
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:32,159
That's possibly what he's This person, he or she may be.

916
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 2: Done, and I think they're right. They make a very

917
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,280
good point. That's a very good point, but that is

918
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,239
a little bit different than what happened in Phoenix. Yeah,

919
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,559
they've got the track of that thing coming down going

920
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:48,639
to Phoenix, turning slowly. It's not quite the Phoenix light,

921
00:48:48,679 --> 00:48:50,400
but it is a really good point. It is a

922
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,519
really good point. The drones things a little bit different.

923
00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:54,519
It was coming in off of water, they were scattered,

924
00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:57,079
they were moving around a little bit different than the

925
00:48:57,079 --> 00:48:59,119
Phoenix like thing. I think we had a craft like

926
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:03,400
that of that mense size slowly hovering over one of

927
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:08,119
our cities like happened in Phoenix. Doesn't mean it's alien,

928
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,679
could be man made, but I bet we would have

929
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,239
some really good footage, and I think that news would

930
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:15,039
travel quickly.

931
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: Do you remember their recent just oh, I don't know,

932
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:22,360
two weeks ago there was more drone incursions on an

933
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:23,840
air basis.

934
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:26,119
Speaker 2: This the last four or five years. It feels like

935
00:49:26,159 --> 00:49:29,199
there's always these little crop pop ups to that. But

936
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,159
see again, as soon as they say drones, then it's

937
00:49:31,199 --> 00:49:34,800
like man made and it becomes less interesting. Yeah, like

938
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,079
the Phoenix lights. Thing that they witnessed was this one solid,

939
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:47,079
enormous craft with no noise. Therefore people jumped to this

940
00:49:47,199 --> 00:49:50,559
could be an HI and that's what's interesting about it.

941
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:53,880
Of course, that craft itself could have been something one

942
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,519
of our governments has, of course, but it just seems

943
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:01,519
so beyond what we have that it certainly speaks to

944
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the fact that it could be an NHI craft.

945
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a I know that Mark de Antonio,

946
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,280
I know he talked to someone at the Department of

947
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,039
a Defense. According to what he told me the other day,

948
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:20,039
that they were actually testing the capabilities. So that's what

949
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:24,039
that most recent one was about. And then I said,

950
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:26,239
what do you mean they didn't tell the Air Force

951
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,239
that they were going to do this. He said, no,

952
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,079
they wanted to see how they react.

953
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's remarkable how you often hear tales

954
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,039
of how like the Navy, Army, air Force, Marine, those

955
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:42,400
are all separate organizations and they don't share information at all.

956
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,159
I've heard so many accounts that echo that that make

957
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,920
me believe it must be true. It's pretty remarkable. So

958
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,960
I would think that let's see how they react. Yeah,

959
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:54,960
they say that could have been what the tic TAC

960
00:50:55,039 --> 00:50:56,599
thing was too, that they wanted.

961
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,519
Speaker 1: To the lost things.

962
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and see how we would respond to that. That's

963
00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:07,599
very possible. This thing seems pretty pretty much ahead of

964
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:10,840
what we what I would guess we have, but you.

965
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: Never know, and unless they've figured out a way to

966
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,679
keep something together with that type of chief force, because

967
00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:22,039
we don't have anything that wouldn't fall apart, never mind

968
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:26,039
a living being being inside or something. But absolutely, the

969
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,039
g force is just too wild. Thank you so much. Ron,

970
00:51:29,079 --> 00:51:31,639
It's been a real pleasure and I'm looking forward to

971
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:34,960
seeing you again this year and the event, and I

972
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,559
know it's going to be fantastic. I can't wait.

973
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: And mart you want to give people a code, you

974
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,199
could give them Captain ten and take ten percent off

975
00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:44,119
the tickets if they want to go to contact.

976
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:50,039
Speaker 1: With all right, Captain ten. Right, so you just said, yep,

977
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:51,519
all right, I'm going to put that in the show

978
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:55,719
notes too, in case and get one zero. What's that?

979
00:51:56,519 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 2: It's one zero, not spelled out, it's Captain one zero.

980
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: Oh, Captain one zero? Okay, got it?

981
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 2: All right?

982
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: All right, thanks very much. And next week I have

983
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:08,920
Ron James coming up next week. He'll be out there too.

984
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:12,000
All right, everyone, all right, it's been a real pleasure.

985
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:28,280
Good night everyone, Thanks again, and remember to keep your

986
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:29,480
eyes to the sky.