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Speaker 2: Why what's going on? Man?
Speaker 1: Right? You beautiful bastard? How you doing?
Speaker 2: You don't know what I look like? It's darke ass
fucking here are you saying?
Speaker 3: Upside?
Speaker 2: I'm actually sitting in the studio, but I don't have
all the fancy shit up. I don't put the green
screen up for you. I don't do all that. I've
got these big tower lights that I sat in front
of me that are like these construs ruction lights that
you'd have outside when you're working on your truck under
the tree. I don't do any of that shit for
you because we don't post any of these videos, and
you just get the plain white wall behind me. I've
got a little lamp on my.
Speaker 3: Desk because the wall kind of looks like sighting the
glow like the sun's rising.
Speaker 2: It's nice. Yeah, it's ambiance. And I'm sipping my coffee.
Because it's early. We normally don't record this early. It's
usually eleven o'clock before we record these. But you got
stuff going on. I got stuff going on. I'm getting
ready to go out of town. I'm flying out as
we record this. It is Wednesday. I'll be flying down
to Florida on Friday. I land somewhere around one o'clock,
I think, and then I've got to catch a ride.
I'm gonna have to hitchike from the airport if they
don't have somebody there to pick me up and get
down to the host hotel, hang out for a little bit,
and we got the VIP dinner at the Great Florida
Bigfoot Conference down in Ocala at the World Equestrian Center.
If you guys have never been there, most people probably haven't.
This is a humongous facility. I don't know how many
horses and what all they do there, but you'll get lost.
You got to have somebody that knows what they're doing
as far as navigation. Fortunately, I had somebody driving me around.
I had Brian Corbin our buddy from North Carolina picked
me up at the airport last year and drove me
down to the VIP dinner, and I don't remember how
I got from the hotel to the actual event on Saturday.
But I'm excited about that man, because we have a
couple of things that have never been done before. I've
changed up my presentation. I'm going to talk about some
stuff that i haven't been able to talk about before
because we're getting down to the wire and this my
Bigfoot Life documentary is going to be out sooner rather
than later. I'm hoping at some point in time, maybe
this month, worst case scenario, maybe next month. But I'm
going to be able to talk about those experiences down
at the Ocalla Bigfoot Conference. I'm going to do that
during my presentation. I'm actually going to show a trailer
that they put together specifically for that conference. It's going
to be seen nowhere else other than at the conference.
So if you're going to be there and you got
a ticket and you're going to see my presentation, you'll
get to see that trailer for my Bigfoot Life documentary.
But I'm excited because I'm able to actually talk about
these experiences that I had last summer. I haven't been
able to do that because of an NDA. Technically, the
NDA is still in effect until the project is released.
But I had a conversation with the producers and the
production company and said, look, I've been sitting on the
shit since last summer. People are wanting to hear what's
going on with these encounters. What better way to do
it than in front of the three thousand or so
people that's going to be at this conference, and we're
going to get to show a little bit of the trailer.
Get people interested in it, because I think it's going
to be a cool project. Man. I've seen the uncut version,
and I've seen the first edit of the film, and
I bawled like a baby because this story is not
really about Bigfoot. I've said that a couple of times.
It's not really about Bigfoot at all. It's about Daniel,
his autism, his journey through his autism, growing into a
young man. He'll be sixteen on his birthday that's coming up.
I've got to see this kid progress and grow. It's
really about the story of his autism, him searching for Bigfoot,
the things he's doing in the community. But beyond that,
it's what you and I have talked about so many times.
It's the family that you get out of this subject,
which has been the best thing frankly for me that
I've gotten it. I don't want to speak for you,
but I think it's pretty much the same thing for you.
The people that you've met in this and him and
his family have been those people for me and some
of the other people that were involved in the project,
I've grown to love as family as well. So it's
really about that. And we got to do some really
cool bigfootshit, and I got to encounter sasquatch, something I
never thought I would experience. It led me down the
path of going in and having some really cool experiences
and getting to see these creatures very close up, completely
changing my philosophy on them. I was on the fence.
I was fifty to fifty about whether these things were
real or not. And not only did I get to
have an experience that completely changed that for me, I
got to see these things three times in two days.
I don't know many people that have those kind of experiences,
and one of them was a daylight siding. I think
we're going to get into that here. In just a
few minutes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to be so relieved that this is
almost over for you. Our show, that Big Quip podcast
usually airs on Fridays, but we're saving it for Saturday
this week, so that's when it will come out because
that's when you're gonna be at the conference, and we
can go ahead now and talk about some of the
stuff you're going to be sharing at the conference. I
remember when you went out to do the documentary. I
remember when you were done. I think you had just
gotten back. I asked you how it went, and this
don't happen much. Brian said, dude, can I call you?
Speaker 2: That's it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead call me. We always text, rarely do
we talk on the phone, so I knew it was
something big. That's when he told me I had three
sightings in two days. Oh my fucking god, are you serious?
At that point, I loved you and I hated you
at the same time. Because's my dream. Man, that's what
I want to do. Do you want to go ahead
and tell us about the sightings or do you want
to talk a little bit about what led up to it?
How do you want to do it?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get into what led to it because that
is really key because had I not gotten involved in
this project, My Bigfoot Life, the documentary with Daniel and
his family, I wouldn't have had these experiences. They reached
out to me. They were doing recording over in the
United Kingdom. That's where the filming started, was over in
the United Kingdom. They started filming there. I'm not going
to talk about who's in the film. You guys can
see all of that. I've posted a couple of movie
posters for it. You can read the names on there.
I'll leave that out there because there's people that started
out being involved in the project that are no longer
involved in the project. Let's say that a very well
known name that I'm not going to speak aloud because frankly,
I'm still having issues and repercussions from being involved in
this project, and this person no longer being involved in
the project. That's a whole nother show in and of itself,
I think. Yeah, but they reached out to me. I
was going to try to go over and start filming
in the UK, and then we're going to finish up
filming in the Pasion Northwest. I was going to be
involved from beginning to end. But it came to light
after the fact that this person who's no longer involved
in the project didn't want me involved in that part
of the project in the United Kingdom. So we'll leave
that at that. But they did come over to the
United States asked me if I was willing to meet
them out in Washington State. So I flew out to
Washington State. I met them. You'll see this in the film,
but something very catastrophic happens before the family Daniel and
his dad and the rest of the family were able
to fly out of the United Kingdom. He does have autism.
He has episodes when he gets stressed out. So there's
a pretty dramatic part of the beginning of the film
that happens, and I'll let you guys watch that, and
you can see that, and it sets the tone for
the film. They picked me up at the airport Ryan
rpg Gooumbskie, my brother from another mother, picked me up
at the airport and we got to go around Seattle.
I brought my drone out there and got some really
cool shots of Seattle in that area. We did a
day of filming and doing all that stuff, and then
we get to the nitty gritty. We're meeting out at
the Olympic Project headquarters, so we ended up driving out there.
We meet up with Bobo James Bobo FA. So we
meet up with Bobo. We know we're going to be
in the area in and around the Olympic National Forest.
We're going out in an area that's close by the headquarters.
We're is pretty protected. We were very careful during filming.
I've taken a couple of pictures. I posted a picture
on social media I think of me and Daniel and
Bobo a couple of weeks ago. But we were very
careful not to give away the location of where their
headquarters is because they don't want just any Joe Schmo knowing, oh,
those are the Bigfoot people and pulling off the road
and coming back and screwing with stuff, right, So we're
very careful about that. We know we're going to do
some night shooting. Part of the team went out the
day before we were going to film the night filming.
We went out to scope this area and scout the area.
So it's the middle of the dates, early afternoon. I
don't exactly remember who I was there. It was me Daniel,
I think his grandparents might have been there. At least
his grandmother was there, I think, and a couple of
other people. I'm pretty sure RPG was somewhere else at
this point. So we're just going to scout this area.
We started hearing whistling. I can't whistle, so I really
can't replicate the sound. But it was a really loud
hay over here, get your attention whistle. It was pretty
deep in the woods. I was estimating maybe one hundred
yards back in the wood, so we couldn't see anything.
This was summertime last year. It's pretty thick cover. We're
scoping this area and we walk over a bridge and
we stop at this bridge because it's a really cool shot,
and I'm thinking, Okay, how can we get over to
this area. The terrain was not great in that area.
That's why we're scouting. We didn't want to go out
there in the middle of the night. Somebody fall and
break an ankle, that kind of thing. But we're hearing
this whistle and I'm tracking where this whistle is. It
sounds like it's almost paralleling us in the woods. It's moving,
we're moving, it's moving. We're hearing sticks and stuff. But
It's not anything really loud. It didn't sound like a
big animal, and it didn't sound like a bird. I
don't know what else whistles. It sounded like a person whistling,
just a really quick whistle. We were all hearing it.
I think Chris was there as well. Chris's a guy
that's came over from the UK to be a part
of the filming.
Speaker 3: Multiple whistles, eat it and just hear one, y'all were
hearing several.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we probably heard three or four over
the course of us moving from one area into this area.
Pretty shortly into the hike, we heard this whistle. Okay,
We're all like, okay, did you hear that? Yet? Multiple
people heard it. Sounds weird, don't know what it is,
and it's following us to this area. So we ended
up at this area where the bridge was and I'm
looking up into the area where we last heard the
whistle and I see something peak around the side of
a tree. There's big old growth trees there, right. Something
peaks around the tree really quickly. I saw it once
and I stopped and I looked peaks again, and then
it does it a third time, just that quick. It
took me to the third time to realize what I
was seeing. I was seeing a face. I could not
tell how far up it was because of the terrain.
It went up a heel, so I can't tell you
even to this day, and we could not. We tried
to get over there because I after the third time,
I said, I brought everybody's attention to the tree. I said, look,
it's about seventy yards away. There's something peeking out from
behind this tree. Of course, everybody stops. Everybody's looking. It
doesn't do it again, whistles stop. We didn't see the
face again. Chris and I were the first two to
try to figure out a way to get down in
that area and then get back up this hill. There
just wasn't a safe way to do it. We could
have done it had we taken our time, but at
this point it didn't make sense to me to go
chasing whatever this was, because it's not like it's going
to be standing behind the tree. And I saw a face.
I saw a dark face again, seventy yards away. I
can't tell you its eyes were green, or its eyes
were blue, or its eyes were black. And it was
so quick it was literally probably a half a second
three times, and it took the third time for me
to go, holy shit, that was a face.
Speaker 3: Were you all filming at this point?
Speaker 2: No, nobody was filming. The film crew wasn't with us.
The camera crew, I think was back either setting up
for another shot who We're also doing interviews at the
same time, so that's why we'd set up this. Okay,
you guys go handle this. The rest of the team's
going to go and scout these areas to see where
we might be able to go and do a night
hike and film tonight as we'd planned at that point
to do tonight. That happens. Whistling stops, movement stops, there's
nothing else to be done at that point. But now
I'm extremely excited because I believe I just saw sasquatch's
face peeking around this tree three times. So we continue on.
We scout that area, we do our thing. We had
some weather issues. There was some weather moving in. It
was rainy. I do not remember if it was that
night or the following night that we did the night hike.
Speaker 3: You literally believe that you just had your very first
visual siding of a fasquatch. You see this face three times.
Tell me about what you were feeling after the initial
shot goes away and you're confident that's what you saw,
what happens, how do you feel.
Speaker 2: I am completely elated because I know at that point,
you know me, I'm very skeptical, right, and it was
very quick. I did that thing where I'm trying to
explain it away. Maybe it was a squirrel going around
the tree. I do all those things right. They're looking
at me like, Okay, it's about the totality of the circumstances.
We heard something moving through the brush, we heard something whistling,
the strange whistle that sounded human like. Then I see
this thing peeking around a tree. Okay, the totality of
the circumstances. At that point, I was pretty convinced, but
I wasn't sure. But I was hyped up. I was excited.
I was elated that I think I just had a sighting.
And if that's all that had happened, I would have
probably left happy, because I would have left at that
point saying I'm about ninety percent sure of what I saw.
Can't be one hundred percent because I just didn't see
enough and it wasn't long enough. The whole team was doked.
Everybody was like, oh shit, we're in the right area.
This is amazing. You saw something, we heard something. This
is cool. So we continued on. We did our scouting,
we picked out an area that we were wanting to
concentrate on. So we get to the night shoot. I
had put out some recorders. I still haven't gone through
all the audio that I have. I'd put out a
recorder in the back of their building, their headquarters for
the Olympic project, and I had a recorder on me
that was recording. Because there was parts of the team
that had a mic on I didn't have a mic
on that night that had miked other people, so I
had my own, and I still haven't went through that.
I did go back and listen to part of the
siding that I had that I'm about to tell you about.
I laughed at myself because it was really interesting. Eventually,
i'll play that for you, guys.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more of that big Foot podcast. We
will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: So you can hear it. I think it'll give you
a sense of what was going on in that raw moment. Right.
So we get to the night shoot and there's probably
twelve of us in the woods. It's not a small party.
There's a shit ton of us here because you got
production people, you've got the camera crews, and you've got
all of us. Right, Daniel travels with an entourage. His
grandparents were there, his dad was there, RPG was there,
Bobo was there, camera crew. So it was quite a
few people, probably ten or twelve people. So we're going
on a betrayal and Bobo had his thermal he's got
a thermal monocular and he had it out and he's
standing over there with Daniel and they're looking through his
thermal monocular. We get to this one spot that we'd
heard whistles. We started hearing this same whistle that we
were hearing the day before when we were scouting. We
started hearing it. Multiple people heard it again. It's moving
with us through the woods, hating us, or it seemed
it was pacing us, just out of you. So we
get to the spot where it's opened up and I
don't know if somebody heard something move or if it
was just the whistles, but Bubbo pulls out his thermal
binocular and he's passing it back and forth. He and Daniel.
They're seeing a heat signature, and Bobo says it's big.
So Bobo turns around to me and goes, who's gonna
go out there in the woods and see who that is?
So of course I immediately said, I'm going, dude, just
point me in the direction. It's pitch black. I can't
see shit. He just points me in the direction. I
start walking, and I walk out. I'm probably twenty five
thirty feet away, and I start getting deeper. The underbrush
is unbelievable. There's so much deadfall there. So I'm trying
to fumble my way through blindly because I can't see shit,
and they're directing me. Behind me, they're saying, oh, it's
over to the left a little bit. I can't see anything,
but they're seeing this big heat signature. So I get
probably I don't know twenty yards into the woods at
this point, maybe twenty five yards, and I hear Bobo go,
oh shit, that's as big as a moose. You had
that moment where it's only twenty five yards away from everybody.
But I am the lone ranger in this situation, and
I'm walking towards something that Bobo has just said is
bigger than a moose that he's looking at on thermal.
So I had this moment where I'm like, oh shit,
what are you doing, dude? But my heart's pounding. I
had this feeling of adrenaline just pumping through me because
I could feel something there. And then I heard something
I can't really describe. It was almost like a clanking sound.
It was almost like clanking rocks together, not really hitting rocks,
shuffling around in your hand. Okay, I don't know if
that makes sense or not. So I hear that, and
it's off to my left a little bit, and it
sounds really close to me. I think something's there. I
just don't know what it is. I hear something moving,
and I hear it moving away away from me. So
I go towards the movement and I go up. It's
not a path. It's like a little clear spot where
there's not as much dead fallen underbrush. It almost looks
like a game trail of some sort, very narrow game trail.
As I'm going up, I'm hearing something moving in front
of me, some snaps, something moving through the underbrush. So
I threw on my flashlight shined it up the trail
and just as I threw on my flashlight and shined
it above the trail, this thing walked across the trail
right into my flashlight and crossed in front of me,
probably at that point twenty five feet away, and all
I saw was something huge, massive hair. The hair was
like a I'm trying to think of a color. I
have a hat that's a tannish gray color. And it
was just as smooth as it could be. It almost
looked like somebody had groomed it, like somebody had brushed
this hair. And this thing quickly one step steps across
the trail in front of me, and I can hear
it continue walking up this trail. I see basically like
from the waist up. I could see the back. I
could see the side of the arm and the shoulder,
and the head was turned away from me because it
was walking away from me, so I couldn't see any
face or any facial features, no neck that I remember,
just this massive thing. And it was literally a half
a second, maybe a second, that it took it to
step across the trail into my flashlight.
Speaker 3: But you just got lucky turning your flashlight on while
it was stepping.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if I had not turned my flashlight on,
There's no way I would have seen this thing. So
I broke the rules basically, when I went out with
Todd and Radium, that was one of the things if
you see something it's a bfro thing. I know, they
tell people on a copedition, don't turn your fucking flashlight on.
Speaker 3: They use red.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I had a headlamp that has a red
light on it. I just wasn't wearing my headlamp. I
had a sheer fire was actually one of my old
duty flashlights that I had from being on the police
department years ago. But there was right in front of me,
twenty five feet away, steps across the trail and keeps
going up. I hear people now moving in the woods
because I've gone deeper in the woods, and I hear
people moving behind me at this point.
Speaker 3: So when you see it, do you scream out?
Speaker 2: Do you yell back to them?
Speaker 3: I see it? What's your reaction?
Speaker 2: I did not yell. As they got closer, I said,
I just saw it cross the trail. I just saw
it cross the trail. So at that point, Chris and
I get together. Chris is I want to say, he's
former military but I know he was on the Queen's
guard at one point. He's six foot five. He's a
pretty massive figure, right, so I can hear him coming
through the woods. He sounds like a sasquatch coming through
the woods behind me. So Chris and I get together,
Daniel and his dad Craig off to our right, and
they're all looking in these areas, trying to see what
they can see, what they can hear it. There's a
little bit of commotion because now they know I've seen something,
We've heard something, They've seen something on thermal. Now I've
heard something and seen something. So everybody's coming to this
area and trying to converge and figure out what's going on.
So I tell Chris what I saw. He said, okay,
let's go in the direction. At one point, I have
to go back and listen to the audio because I'm
a little foggy on exactly how he described it. But
he and I heard this thump. It was a loud thump.
It almost sounded like something heavy stomped to the ground
or something heavy jumped out of a tree. That's the
best way I can describe it. But we both heard
it simultaneously and it's on the audio that I recorded.
I did listen to some of that part, but I've
got to go back and get this specific.
Speaker 3: You can hear the thump in the audio.
Speaker 2: Can't hear the thump. I haven't tried to isolate it
because I've literally only listened to this once. But we
have a conversation about it. He and I both heard something.
We're both talking about it. We're continuing on in this area,
converging around, and everything's going fast. At this point, I'm
hearing a bunch of commotion. I'm seeing some lights. People
are coming in the area. There's excitement. The next thing
I remember hearing was something's moving. I can still hear
movement in this area, and it seems like it's coming
from our left to our right, Daniel and his dad
Craiger to my right, and I hear Daniel say, I
see eye shine, I see I shine. I see I shine.
And I'm like, oh shit, I'm ten fifteen feet away
from them, twenty feet. I converge on whether area. I'm
seeing him point and I'm looking in that area again.
It's a similar to the area i'd just been in
this little game trail. It's continuing up this ridge and
it's probably seven ten percent grade. It's a pretty steep
ridge that continues on up to an apex at the top.
We didn't know that at the time. We eventually got there.
Daniel says, I see I shine, so I stop. I
get closer to them, so I'm on the same angle
as them. I'm just maybe eight feet away from them,
and I look up this trail and at this point,
again I'm trying to remember, I have to go back
and look at it. I know they were filming at
this time, but the cameramen couldn't get in there because
it was so thick. RPG had a small Sony Candy
cam from the nineteen nineties, but it records in night vision,
so we got some stuff on night vision from that.
Chris had a couple of GoPros on and some things
were recorded. I'll just say that that I remember nobody
had a flashlight on it this time. I look where
Daniel's pointing, and I see these two huge, round, white,
glowing eyes. I don't know any other way to describe it.
They're like the size of half dollars, are bigger, glowing white,
not like flashlight in your face kind of light. But
glowing like self illuminating eyes. I think it was to
the right of those, a little bit further down, it's
a little bit shorter, two more eyes. I am freaked
out at this point. You're having this moment like everything's
happening so fast. Daniel screams, their's eyes shine. Three seconds later,
I'm looking at these things right there. They're fifteen feet
away from me on this truil, and they're doing how
people have described the swaying motion that they've seen these
creatures do. They sway back and forth, ducking down. That's
the movement that these two sets of eyes are doing.
They're swaying back and forth and going up and down.
So I'm watching this. It's probably one one thousand and two,
one thousand and three, one thousand. Somebody throws on a flashlight,
but right before the flashlight comes on, these things fall
to the ground. I don't know any other way to
describe it. It's like they just completely disappear onto the ground.
But I can see them moving down like something's laying
down on the ground fast, like it's really fast, and
they're gone. Flashlight comes on. I don't know if it
was Daniel. I don't know if it was Craig, I
don't know who turned the flashlight on. Almost identical to
what I had seen earlier. It's one of these creatures.
It stood up and it's standing in the trail in
the flashlight. All three of us see it. Chris sees it.
I see it, Daniel sees it, and it starts running
up the hill.
Speaker 3: When it stands up, is it facing you or turned
away from it?
Speaker 2: Turned away? So we see the same thing, same silhouette.
It looked like the exact same thing I had just seen.
So for I'm fifteen feet I was standing fifteen feet away.
I had moved up the hill closer to it, so
they're probably twenty five feet away. They're probably ten feet
behind me at this point. Because I'm moving towards I
am hearing the movement. I just saw those eyes, so
I was already walking towards what was glowing. So I'm
closer than that, and this thing stands up. I say,
stands up. It just came into frame. How about that?
It came into frame, It crossed over the path. We
hear it and see it going up the hill. We're
all like, holy shit, I think Chris said, oh my
fucking god. Oh my fucking I see it move, I
immediately take off after it, flat out as fast as
I can go. I'm running up the hill after this thing,
which was stupid in retrospect.
Speaker 3: What are you gonna do if you catch it?
Speaker 2: I've always wondered how I would respond, what I turntail
and run? Would I be frozen in fear? Would adrenaline
take over? And would I chase these things? I chased
it up the hill. Even if it were haaved on
this grade and I'd gotten a head start, there would
have been no way I would have even gotten close
to this creature because the dead fall there I can't
even describe to you. I hope somebody's got video that
I can get, because I don't think I recorded any
because we went back the following day, but the dead
fall there, dude, I still don't know how I made
it up the hill as fast as I did without
hurting myself, because once you go back and see the
area in the daytime, you're like, oh my god, we
were all like I can't believe we're not all dead.
I don't know how we made it through that adrenaline
was pumped being so fast I didn't give a shit
at this point. I was just flat out running up
the heel. Of course, I hear a few things here
and there. It wasn't a ton of noise, but I
could tell this thing, something was moving away from me.
And then it's just gone. It's just nothing. I make
it up to the top of the ridge. Of course,
everybody's coming. Reinforcements are coming. We get up to the
top of the ridge and almost immediately and you get
to see a little bit of this in the film,
but Ryan is using his little handycam or whatever he's got,
he's recording and he's immediately asking me what happened. So
you get to see my immediate reaction literally seconds after
I have this encounter with this thing for the third
time now in two days. I've seen these things from
fifteen feet away. So Ryan starts doing his thing. He's
phenomenal dude. He's been around television a lot. He's a pro.
He knows exactly the kind of questions to ask. So
he starts asking me, and I start talking about what happened,
and we get into all of that. I tell you,
what I didn't expect was the emotion. I was just
completely overwhelmed. I cried like a little baby. Ryan asked me,
I don't remember exactly how he worded the question, but
he's asking me what I saw, what happened. How does
that make me feel? He said something along the lines
of what are you going to say to people who
don't believe you or question what you saw or something
along those lines. I said, I don't give a shit, dude.
I know exactly what I just experienced, and I don't care.
The emotional part from me was realizing at the top
of the hill what had just happened. Right I'm coming
down off this adrenaline dump, said, I'm so emotional right now,
and I'm crying because I feel like such an asshole
because I have listened to so many people's stories that
have shared their encounter stories with me on my show
and talked about what they saw and these glowing eyes,
and I completely dismissed it. I said, you're full of shit.
There's no way these things have glowing eyes. I don't
believe that. And it just hit me that I had
doubted so many people and now I had that very
experience myself. It just really overwhelmed me, and I got
about it dude, I was happy, and I was also shocked,
and there was so many emotions going on, so I
cried like a little bit. I'm not ashamed to admit it.
It was an emotional experience. Man.
Speaker 3: That's one thing that stands out to me when you
relived it and told me the story the first time,
the fact that you said it was the most enlightening experience,
the most humblings, The emotions stuck over and I put
myself in those shoes, and I feel like I would
have the same reaction. So you guys are disclose to
this thing, all of you. Surely it's on camera, It's
on film.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about that.
Speaker 3: He just gave me a little evil grin. So I
don't know what's coming, y'all.
Speaker 2: I'm going to tread very lightly here because I can
tell you now there's no smoking gun here. There's no
Patterson Gemlin film that we recorded, but something was recorded.
Chris had two GoPros going. He had one facing forward
and one facing backwards. He actually lost the one that
was facing backwards in the woods. It's still in the
woods somewhere on this heel. We never found it. We
went back the next day. We searched for it, couldn't
find it.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast.
Speaker 2: We will be right back. After these messages, Craig had
to go pro on and Daniel had to go pro
on as well. Remember the film crew, the two camera
guys couldn't come in the woods with us because they're
carrying these humongous thirty five thousand dollars camera rigs. I
got jam. They could not get where we were safely
because they're looking through the lens of the camera. You
can't do that at night. We just couldn't do it.
So the only filming that was going on was these
go pros and Ryan's camera.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: See, I didn't know that. I was expecting a couple
of camera men behind y'all filming all this.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, no, damn. But I can tell you this. Chris
sent me some video. I think it was three or
four days ago, because he's been working on the video
from his GoPro. It's probably a second and a half clip. Again,
if I showed it to you or anybody else that
wasn't there and you didn't have the totality of the circumstances,
you go, eh, there's something there. Yeah, But knowing what
we all saw. He captured exactly what we saw going
up the trail. It's on film, and to experience that
with the people that were there and having that connection
and that relationship with the people that were there was
just a very emotional time. I know people are going
to say, it is what it is, you're filming, you
don't have it on film, it's every other bigfoot story,
blah blah blah, get it. And that's fine because I'm
at a point in my life. Dude, I really don't
give a shit if you believe me or not. I
could care less. I'm just stoked because I was able
to have that experience for myself. Now I know that
these creatures are real. That was the only validation that
I ever needed when it comes to this, can say
shit about my experience. It is what it is. But
that's what happened.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about size. This last siding that y'all had,
you said, stands up and kind of comes into frame.
I'm sure y'all are looking up at it. How big
would you?
Speaker 1: Did?
Speaker 3: Y'all do a size comparison.
Speaker 2: The only size comparison we could really do was trying
to put Chris in that general area because he was
the tallest of all of us. He's a couple of
inches taller than MA. I'm about six to one and
a half. Chris is probably closer to six four ish,
and he's a little bit bigger than me. Given that
and what Chris and I immediately got together, what did
you see? What did you see? Kind of thing? Probably
seven seven and a half feet tall? Did you give
or take? That's a guesstimate. Could it have been six
and a half feet sure? Could it have been eight?
Absolutely what we've landed on between seven and seven and
a half feet Given the grade, the trees around, and
where we were in relation to it, I would say
safely seven to seven and a half feet tall.
Speaker 3: I wonder why this thing would let y'all get that clothe.
Speaker 2: Trust me, we've had those conversations. I have went through
that in my mind.
Speaker 3: And at the same time, it makes me wonder how
many times have I been that clothes? Have I ever
been that clothed? Are they that good at staying hidden?
Speaker 2: Given everything that happened, I can only surmise. I hate
it when people say this because there's absolutely no way
to know. But I got the feeling here I go.
It's a feeling that it was possibly a juvenile or
a couple of juveniles, because I do believe there was
more than one in the woods because of what we
were hearing, the whistling and the moving in different areas.
Could be wrong, but I felt like what I saw
the first time on the first trail was the same
thing I saw the second time with Chris, Daniel and Craig.
It seemed like they were curious. That's the feeling that
I got. Why would you whistle? You whistle it people
to get their attention, right, unless you're whistling Dixie and
you're just happy and it's like singing. But if you're
whistling like that, it is a definite over here. I'm
over here. I don't know why you would do that.
But I felt like it was a curiosity. I felt
like they were playing with us. That's what it felt
like to me.
Speaker 3: We've heard that, you and I both have heard that
people say that they felt like sometimes they felt like
they were playing with you. They have a sense of humor.
I've heard that so many times. Yeah, Now, you did
say you saw two sets of eyeshine right, one tall
and one smaller.
Speaker 2: So that was the other thing that would lead me
to believe that there were two creatures. There is the
two sets of eyeshine, one slightly smaller than the other.
I'm not talking like one was two feet tall and
the other one was eight feet tall. They were within
a foot or so of each other. But they were
doing that swaying back and forth and dipping down, and
then they just dropped disappeared. Could it have been them
closing their eyes or turning away as opposed to dropping. Sure,
I just got the feeling that they dropped to the ground.
That's what I felt like. That made sense to me.
Somebody's looking at you. Oh shit, they see me. What
do you do? You drop down, you duck behind something,
you get lower. That's the impression that I got. But
I definitely think there were two, and I think they
were curious. I think they were messing with us. Maybe
it was just a fun thing. Maybe they were just curious.
I don't know. People say different things when they approach
their research. Don't go out in the woods with a
bunch of people. I've heard that all the time. You know,
these do these TV shows and expedition bigfoots out there
with thirty seven people and all these cameras ain't never
gonna slave Bigfoot. Clearly you can, because we had ten
or twelve people in the woods, traps and around people talking.
We weren't being quiet. We were talking and doing our thing,
which is typically what you hear when people say, we
sit around the campfire and it drew them in. They
threw rocks, they came in just on the edge of
our firelight. Those kind of stories. It all made sense.
It all came together for me literally in those couple
of experiences. I thought, holy shit, this is exactly what
I've heard from hundreds of people, and it just happened
to me. It just happened to us. Now, if you
go out there and you hear a whistle, okay, you
hear a stick break, oh okay, you see something that
moves across the trail really quickly, okay. But we started
with a thermal hit from James Bobo Fay. I don't
know how many hours Bobo has looked through a thermal
monocular in his twenty plus years of researching Bigfoot, but
I guarantee it's quite a few hours. So he has
a general understanding of is this a field mouse? Or
is it a possible sasquatch. I immediately go towards it.
I hear something and then I see something moving across
the trail that looks huge and it's walking on two feet.
That's number one. Then we have these glowing eyes, and
then three people see something else huge and Harry walking
on two feet cross across a trail, and then I
proceed to chase it up the hill. So the whistles,
the thermal, the other sounds, the two sightings, then the
experience of the eye shine. I don't know what else
it could be.
Speaker 3: Now you know what it is. We all know what
it was, and I fucking hate you. Yeah, that's what
I'm waiting on. Man, I've not had mine yet. I'm
glad that you had a chance to have your Class AA.
You had at least two Class a's, wouldn't you say.
Speaker 2: Oh, hands down? Yeah? The first one again, the first
time it crossed across the trail, I was maybe twenty
five feet away. Second time, ten to fifteen feet. It
was right there. It was so shocking how close I
was to it. I looked back at the video of
I don't know who's I think it was Craig filming.
I can't say for sure. I've seen that uncut version
of the film before it was edited, but it was
shocking how close I was to the eyes because they
caught the eye shine. It's not really clear. I'm really close,
probably ten feet at that point, and I have no
idea what's going on. I have no idea. I think
I know what I'm seeing. I'm like, holy shit, that's eyes.
Those are eyes. They're glowing eyes looking at me right
now from ten feet away.
Speaker 3: And there was no lights oh.
Speaker 2: Nowhere in the middle of the fucking woods.
Speaker 3: Dude, Idy had a flash light.
Speaker 2: Nobody, no, not at that point. Everybody had flashlights. We
just didn't have it on at that point, we weren't on.
It was self illuminating. They were lit up, glowing eyes.
Speaker 3: Fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: I can't explain that, dude. That's one of the things
that has truly shocked to me more than having the
actual sighting, was not being able to explain that part
of it. I don't know what that is or why
that is. It doesn't make sense to me, but that's
what happened. How do you have that? How does something's
eyes glow? We're not talking eyeshine again, we're talking about
emitting its own light. And how many times have we
heard that? How many times have people said that different colors? Green, blue, red, white, amber, yellow,
You've heard it all. And I used to shrug and go, oh, yeah, okay.
It came right out of the portal with its glowing
eyes to take a shit before it got on the
spaceship to go back to Andromeda.
Speaker 3: Earn you away from the biological camp.
Speaker 2: I don't think so at all. I think these creatures
are flesh and blood. I think they're very much like
you and I and other primates, other great apes. But
I think they clearly have some superabilities that we just
don't understand yet. Yeah, that's the only way I can
describe it, because plenty of animals have that. We have cuddlefish, octopus, quid,
all of these creatures that have these amazing abilities. There's
fish on the bottom of the sea that glow. We
know it exists in nature. It just never made sense
to me, and still frankly doesn't make sense to me
how it could exist in something like a primate or
a great ape. But who's to say that it does it?
Because I experienced it. There's got to be a reason
for it. There's got to be an an answer, just
don't know what that answer is. And that's why I'm
at the point now where I said it before. I
don't really give a shit about evidence anymore. I don't
really care about video. It's more about what these creatures are.
What are they? What abilities do they have? That's the
rabbit hole that I'm in Now I know they're real.
Now I want to know what they are. I want
to know why I saw what I saw, how it
did what I saw it do, and above that. And
I know I'll never get answers to most of these questions.
But back to your original point, why did this thing
come so close to us? Why? It doesn't make sense
if these things are so elusive, why was it ten
feet away from me? Unless it was just curious And
we've heard this so many times from people like it
North American. What a conservancy they have, them come in
very close, They throw rocks, they do things that just
don't make sense. If they're trying to be elusive and
not be seen or discovered, it just makes sense that
they can't overcome their curiosity. There's a reason that some
might have came up with curiosity killed the cat animals
are naturally curious. We are very curious. Nobody can go
by the road when you're going to town and you
see a bunch of cops on the side of the
road with flashing lights. That's why people run into the
back of each other because they're fucking looking and rubbernecking
because they want to know what's going on. There was
ten or twelve people in their woods, in their backyard,
in their house. They came in to see what the
fuck we were doing. That's the only explanation I have.
Nothing else really makes sense to me. Yam.
Speaker 3: I always say, if you want to have an encounter,
go camping, just do be yourself. What you just told
me makes me believe that even more because why else
would they allow you to get that clothes.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, man, there is not one
part of me, even after seeing the tree peaker the
previous day when we were scouting the area, even given that,
if you asked me going into that night shoot, where
are you on a scale of one to ten, ten
being certain that you're going to have an experience and
one being absolutely nothing, Where are you on that scale
of we're going to have some kind of experience. During
the night hike and the night shoot, I was probably
a one, might have even been a zero. I thought,
there's no way that we're going to have any kind
of We were just going out to get them. We
were going out to have a good time. We had
a couple of things. We did some really cool calls
at the end. We did like a group call. Bobo
did one of his famous calls. We all did one
as a group in harmony, which I thought was really
cool to see if we could elicit a response. We
had those things planned and that's basically what I was
going into it, just to have a good time and
go hiking in the woods at night with a bunch
of people I love. And we ended up having those encounters.
But I did not believe anything was going to happen.
I didn't think you were going to take ten people
out there with cameras, trapesing through the woods and talking
and laughing and doing all these things, and these things
are going to come in that close and you have
an experience. I wouldn't believe that if you'd told me,
I had no clue that anything that's got y'all.
Speaker 3: Had the experience.
Speaker 2: Some people said that Ryan said, he's been doing this
for a lot of years, and poor Ryan didn't get
to see it. He didn't see either time, but he
was so happy for everybody who did. He said, I've
been waiting my entire life to come together with a
team like this that is doing this for the right reason.
And it got a little sappy. Everybody's kind of like minded,
and everybody's rallying around this kid because it's really it
goes back to that. It wasn't about Bigfoot. It was
about this kid and his experiences, and we all love
him dearly. Obviously, his family loves him. We've all grown
to love him. That's what it was about. And Ryan said,
he's a little bit more out there. He's a little
bit more woo when it comes to his beliefs about
some things when it comes to Bigfoot, and we don't
necessarily agree on that, but he said, I think the
team was right. We put together the right people and
we came together and it just happened because it was
the right people. He said, I don't believe if we'd
had a group of other people on that heel, he
doesn't believe that would have happened. I don't go that far,
because I think that goes into another realm of high
strangeness that I'm not really there yet. But am I wrong?
Do they pick up on energy? Are they able to
sense what's going on? Did they know that Daniel was
there and he's autistic? Did they come in to check
on him? I don't know. There's so many places this
could go, but I do believe that it came together
the way that it did with the people that it
did for a reason. I don't know exactly what that
reason is, but I am just so thankful that I
was able to be a part of it, and that
we did get a lot of that stuff on film
and people will be able to at least experience some
of what happened that night with us and that raw emotion,
because it was a very emotional thing, and there was
a lot of crying in the documentary, and we did
some interviews and I think I cried a little bit
in my interview. Ryan's a cry er. I can't wait
for the Coalition for Critical Thinking group to see the
comments they have after they watched the documentary. I'm sure
it's going to be a whop. But I think the
people who get it and who the film is really
for and it's not just for the Bigfoot community. It's
for a larger group of people. I think that are
going to enjoy this film because it is about Daniel
and his journey and autism and all the things that
are covered in the film. Yeah, that's it, man. It's
not as big and sexy as a lot of people
would probably want it to be, but that's the story. Man,
that's what happened.
Speaker 3: I think it's awesome. I'm jealous, obviously, because you got
to do what I want to do and what I
want to experience. But man, I'm so happy for you,
happy for all of them. And like you said earlier,
this thing is a family. At this point, the Bigfoot
community is a family, and I have people, you being
one of them, that I will consider my friend for
the rest of my life. I would not know you
if it wasn't for Bigfoot. There's a lot of stories
out there like that. All right, everybody, thank you so
much all of the continued support, everything that you guys
do for us. We love you, We thank you. Until
we talk to you all again. I'll take care of yourselves,
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