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Speaker 1: Welcome to that Bigfoot podcast, where we believe in free speech,

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open discussion, and having a laugh. If that offends you,

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stand by most of it, unless you're a snowflake, in

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which case just assume we didn't mean it. This podcast

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is a mix of truth, nonsense, and humor, so buckle

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up and don't take it too seriously. Listener discretion is

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Speaker 2: Why what's going on? Man?

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Speaker 1: Right? You beautiful bastard? How you doing?

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Speaker 2: You don't know what I look like? It's darke ass

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fucking here are you saying?

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Speaker 3: Upside?

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Speaker 2: I'm actually sitting in the studio, but I don't have

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all the fancy shit up. I don't put the green

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screen up for you. I don't do all that. I've

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got these big tower lights that I sat in front

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of me that are like these construs ruction lights that

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you'd have outside when you're working on your truck under

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the tree. I don't do any of that shit for

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you because we don't post any of these videos, and

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you just get the plain white wall behind me. I've

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got a little lamp on my.

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Speaker 3: Desk because the wall kind of looks like sighting the

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glow like the sun's rising.

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Speaker 2: It's nice. Yeah, it's ambiance. And I'm sipping my coffee.

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Because it's early. We normally don't record this early. It's

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usually eleven o'clock before we record these. But you got

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stuff going on. I got stuff going on. I'm getting

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ready to go out of town. I'm flying out as

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we record this. It is Wednesday. I'll be flying down

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to Florida on Friday. I land somewhere around one o'clock,

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I think, and then I've got to catch a ride.

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I'm gonna have to hitchike from the airport if they

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don't have somebody there to pick me up and get

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down to the host hotel, hang out for a little bit,

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and we got the VIP dinner at the Great Florida

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Bigfoot Conference down in Ocala at the World Equestrian Center.

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If you guys have never been there, most people probably haven't.

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This is a humongous facility. I don't know how many

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horses and what all they do there, but you'll get lost.

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You got to have somebody that knows what they're doing

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as far as navigation. Fortunately, I had somebody driving me around.

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I had Brian Corbin our buddy from North Carolina picked

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me up at the airport last year and drove me

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down to the VIP dinner, and I don't remember how

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I got from the hotel to the actual event on Saturday.

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But I'm excited about that man, because we have a

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couple of things that have never been done before. I've

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changed up my presentation. I'm going to talk about some

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stuff that i haven't been able to talk about before

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because we're getting down to the wire and this my

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Bigfoot Life documentary is going to be out sooner rather

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than later. I'm hoping at some point in time, maybe

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this month, worst case scenario, maybe next month. But I'm

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going to be able to talk about those experiences down

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at the Ocalla Bigfoot Conference. I'm going to do that

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during my presentation. I'm actually going to show a trailer

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that they put together specifically for that conference. It's going

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to be seen nowhere else other than at the conference.

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So if you're going to be there and you got

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a ticket and you're going to see my presentation, you'll

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get to see that trailer for my Bigfoot Life documentary.

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But I'm excited because I'm able to actually talk about

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these experiences that I had last summer. I haven't been

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able to do that because of an NDA. Technically, the

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NDA is still in effect until the project is released.

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But I had a conversation with the producers and the

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production company and said, look, I've been sitting on the

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shit since last summer. People are wanting to hear what's

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going on with these encounters. What better way to do

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it than in front of the three thousand or so

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people that's going to be at this conference, and we're

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going to get to show a little bit of the trailer.

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Get people interested in it, because I think it's going

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to be a cool project. Man. I've seen the uncut version,

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and I've seen the first edit of the film, and

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I bawled like a baby because this story is not

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really about Bigfoot. I've said that a couple of times.

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It's not really about Bigfoot at all. It's about Daniel,

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his autism, his journey through his autism, growing into a

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young man. He'll be sixteen on his birthday that's coming up.

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I've got to see this kid progress and grow. It's

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really about the story of his autism, him searching for Bigfoot,

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the things he's doing in the community. But beyond that,

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it's what you and I have talked about so many times.

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It's the family that you get out of this subject,

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which has been the best thing frankly for me that

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I've gotten it. I don't want to speak for you,

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but I think it's pretty much the same thing for you.

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The people that you've met in this and him and

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his family have been those people for me and some

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of the other people that were involved in the project,

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I've grown to love as family as well. So it's

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really about that. And we got to do some really

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cool bigfootshit, and I got to encounter sasquatch, something I

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never thought I would experience. It led me down the

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path of going in and having some really cool experiences

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and getting to see these creatures very close up, completely

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changing my philosophy on them. I was on the fence.

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I was fifty to fifty about whether these things were

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real or not. And not only did I get to

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have an experience that completely changed that for me, I

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got to see these things three times in two days.

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I don't know many people that have those kind of experiences,

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and one of them was a daylight siding. I think

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we're going to get into that here. In just a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to be so relieved that this is

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almost over for you. Our show, that Big Quip podcast

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usually airs on Fridays, but we're saving it for Saturday

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this week, so that's when it will come out because

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that's when you're gonna be at the conference, and we

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can go ahead now and talk about some of the

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stuff you're going to be sharing at the conference. I

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remember when you went out to do the documentary. I

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remember when you were done. I think you had just

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gotten back. I asked you how it went, and this

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don't happen much. Brian said, dude, can I call you?

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Speaker 2: That's it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead call me. We always text, rarely do

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we talk on the phone, so I knew it was

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something big. That's when he told me I had three

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sightings in two days. Oh my fucking god, are you serious?

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At that point, I loved you and I hated you

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at the same time. Because's my dream. Man, that's what

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I want to do. Do you want to go ahead

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and tell us about the sightings or do you want

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to talk a little bit about what led up to it?

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How do you want to do it?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get into what led to it because that

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is really key because had I not gotten involved in

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this project, My Bigfoot Life, the documentary with Daniel and

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his family, I wouldn't have had these experiences. They reached

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out to me. They were doing recording over in the

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United Kingdom. That's where the filming started, was over in

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the United Kingdom. They started filming there. I'm not going

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to talk about who's in the film. You guys can

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see all of that. I've posted a couple of movie

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posters for it. You can read the names on there.

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I'll leave that out there because there's people that started

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out being involved in the project that are no longer

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involved in the project. Let's say that a very well

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known name that I'm not going to speak aloud because frankly,

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I'm still having issues and repercussions from being involved in

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this project, and this person no longer being involved in

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the project. That's a whole nother show in and of itself,

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I think. Yeah, but they reached out to me. I

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was going to try to go over and start filming

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in the UK, and then we're going to finish up

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filming in the Pasion Northwest. I was going to be

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involved from beginning to end. But it came to light

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after the fact that this person who's no longer involved

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in the project didn't want me involved in that part

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of the project in the United Kingdom. So we'll leave

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that at that. But they did come over to the

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United States asked me if I was willing to meet

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them out in Washington State. So I flew out to

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Washington State. I met them. You'll see this in the film,

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but something very catastrophic happens before the family Daniel and

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his dad and the rest of the family were able

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to fly out of the United Kingdom. He does have autism.

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He has episodes when he gets stressed out. So there's

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a pretty dramatic part of the beginning of the film

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that happens, and I'll let you guys watch that, and

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you can see that, and it sets the tone for

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the film. They picked me up at the airport Ryan

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rpg Gooumbskie, my brother from another mother, picked me up

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at the airport and we got to go around Seattle.

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I brought my drone out there and got some really

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cool shots of Seattle in that area. We did a

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day of filming and doing all that stuff, and then

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we get to the nitty gritty. We're meeting out at

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the Olympic Project headquarters, so we ended up driving out there.

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meet up with Bobo. We know we're going to be

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in the area in and around the Olympic National Forest.

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We're is pretty protected. We were very careful during filming.

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on social media I think of me and Daniel and

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Bobo a couple of weeks ago. But we were very

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careful not to give away the location of where their

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headquarters is because they don't want just any Joe Schmo knowing, oh,

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those are the Bigfoot people and pulling off the road

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and coming back and screwing with stuff, right, So we're

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very careful about that. We know we're going to do

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some night shooting. Part of the team went out the

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day before we were going to film the night filming.

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So it's the middle of the dates, early afternoon. I

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don't exactly remember who I was there. It was me Daniel,

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I think his grandparents might have been there. At least

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his grandmother was there, I think, and a couple of

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other people. I'm pretty sure RPG was somewhere else at

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this point. So we're just going to scout this area.

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We started hearing whistling. I can't whistle, so I really

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can't replicate the sound. But it was a really loud

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hay over here, get your attention whistle. It was pretty

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deep in the woods. I was estimating maybe one hundred

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yards back in the wood, so we couldn't see anything.

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scoping this area and we walk over a bridge and

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we stop at this bridge because it's a really cool shot,

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and I'm thinking, Okay, how can we get over to

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this area. The terrain was not great in that area.

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there in the middle of the night. Somebody fall and

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break an ankle, that kind of thing. But we're hearing

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this whistle and I'm tracking where this whistle is. It

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sounds like it's almost paralleling us in the woods. It's moving,

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we're moving, it's moving. We're hearing sticks and stuff. But

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big animal, and it didn't sound like a bird. I

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don't know what else whistles. It sounded like a person whistling,

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just a really quick whistle. We were all hearing it.

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I think Chris was there as well. Chris's a guy

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that's came over from the UK to be a part

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of the filming.

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Speaker 3: Multiple whistles, eat it and just hear one, y'all were

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hearing several.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we probably heard three or four over

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the course of us moving from one area into this area.

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Pretty shortly into the hike, we heard this whistle. Okay,

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We're all like, okay, did you hear that? Yet? Multiple

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people heard it. Sounds weird, don't know what it is,

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and it's following us to this area. So we ended

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up at this area where the bridge was and I'm

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looking up into the area where we last heard the

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whistle and I see something peak around the side of

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a tree. There's big old growth trees there, right. Something

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peaks around the tree really quickly. I saw it once

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and I stopped and I looked peaks again, and then

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it does it a third time, just that quick. It

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took me to the third time to realize what I

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was seeing. I was seeing a face. I could not

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tell how far up it was because of the terrain.

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even to this day, and we could not. We tried

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to get over there because I after the third time,

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I said, I brought everybody's attention to the tree. I said, look,

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it's about seventy yards away. There's something peeking out from

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behind this tree. Of course, everybody stops. Everybody's looking. It

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doesn't do it again, whistles stop. We didn't see the

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face again. Chris and I were the first two to

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try to figure out a way to get down in

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that area and then get back up this hill. There

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just wasn't a safe way to do it. We could

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have done it had we taken our time, but at

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this point it didn't make sense to me to go

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chasing whatever this was, because it's not like it's going

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to be standing behind the tree. And I saw a face.

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I saw a dark face again, seventy yards away. I

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can't tell you its eyes were green, or its eyes

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were blue, or its eyes were black. And it was

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so quick it was literally probably a half a second

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three times, and it took the third time for me

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to go, holy shit, that was a face.

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Speaker 3: Were you all filming at this point?

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Speaker 2: No, nobody was filming. The film crew wasn't with us.

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The camera crew, I think was back either setting up

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for another shot who We're also doing interviews at the

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same time, so that's why we'd set up this. Okay,

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you guys go handle this. The rest of the team's

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going to go and scout these areas to see where

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we might be able to go and do a night

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hike and film tonight as we'd planned at that point

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to do tonight. That happens. Whistling stops, movement stops, there's

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nothing else to be done at that point. But now

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I'm extremely excited because I believe I just saw sasquatch's

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face peeking around this tree three times. So we continue on.

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We scout that area, we do our thing. We had

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some weather issues. There was some weather moving in. It

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was rainy. I do not remember if it was that

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night or the following night that we did the night hike.

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Speaker 3: You literally believe that you just had your very first

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visual siding of a fasquatch. You see this face three times.

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Tell me about what you were feeling after the initial

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shot goes away and you're confident that's what you saw,

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what happens, how do you feel.

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Speaker 2: I am completely elated because I know at that point,

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you know me, I'm very skeptical, right, and it was

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very quick. I did that thing where I'm trying to

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explain it away. Maybe it was a squirrel going around

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the tree. I do all those things right. They're looking

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at me like, Okay, it's about the totality of the circumstances.

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We heard something moving through the brush, we heard something whistling,

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the strange whistle that sounded human like. Then I see

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this thing peeking around a tree. Okay, the totality of

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the circumstances. At that point, I was pretty convinced, but

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I wasn't sure. But I was hyped up. I was excited.

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I was elated that I think I just had a sighting.

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And if that's all that had happened, I would have

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probably left happy, because I would have left at that

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point saying I'm about ninety percent sure of what I saw.

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Can't be one hundred percent because I just didn't see

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enough and it wasn't long enough. The whole team was doked.

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Everybody was like, oh shit, we're in the right area.

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This is amazing. You saw something, we heard something. This

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is cool. So we continued on. We did our scouting,

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we picked out an area that we were wanting to

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concentrate on. So we get to the night shoot. I

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had put out some recorders. I still haven't gone through

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all the audio that I have. I'd put out a

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recorder in the back of their building, their headquarters for

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the Olympic project, and I had a recorder on me

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that was recording. Because there was parts of the team

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that had a mic on I didn't have a mic

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on that night that had miked other people, so I

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had my own, and I still haven't went through that.

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I did go back and listen to part of the

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siding that I had that I'm about to tell you about.

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I laughed at myself because it was really interesting. Eventually,

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i'll play that for you, guys.

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Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more of that big Foot podcast. We

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will be right back after these messages.

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Speaker 2: So you can hear it. I think it'll give you

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a sense of what was going on in that raw moment. Right.

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So we get to the night shoot and there's probably

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twelve of us in the woods. It's not a small party.

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There's a shit ton of us here because you got

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production people, you've got the camera crews, and you've got

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all of us. Right, Daniel travels with an entourage. His

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grandparents were there, his dad was there, RPG was there,

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Bobo was there, camera crew. So it was quite a

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few people, probably ten or twelve people. So we're going

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on a betrayal and Bobo had his thermal he's got

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a thermal monocular and he had it out and he's

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standing over there with Daniel and they're looking through his

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thermal monocular. We get to this one spot that we'd

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heard whistles. We started hearing this same whistle that we

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were hearing the day before when we were scouting. We

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started hearing it. Multiple people heard it again. It's moving

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with us through the woods, hating us, or it seemed

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it was pacing us, just out of you. So we

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get to the spot where it's opened up and I

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don't know if somebody heard something move or if it

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was just the whistles, but Bubbo pulls out his thermal

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binocular and he's passing it back and forth. He and Daniel.

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They're seeing a heat signature, and Bobo says it's big.

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So Bobo turns around to me and goes, who's gonna

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go out there in the woods and see who that is?

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So of course I immediately said, I'm going, dude, just

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point me in the direction. It's pitch black. I can't

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see shit. He just points me in the direction. I

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start walking, and I walk out. I'm probably twenty five

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thirty feet away, and I start getting deeper. The underbrush

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is unbelievable. There's so much deadfall there. So I'm trying

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to fumble my way through blindly because I can't see shit,

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and they're directing me. Behind me, they're saying, oh, it's

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over to the left a little bit. I can't see anything,

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but they're seeing this big heat signature. So I get

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probably I don't know twenty yards into the woods at

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this point, maybe twenty five yards, and I hear Bobo go,

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oh shit, that's as big as a moose. You had

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that moment where it's only twenty five yards away from everybody.

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But I am the lone ranger in this situation, and

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I'm walking towards something that Bobo has just said is

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bigger than a moose that he's looking at on thermal.

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So I had this moment where I'm like, oh shit,

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what are you doing, dude? But my heart's pounding. I

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had this feeling of adrenaline just pumping through me because

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I could feel something there. And then I heard something

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I can't really describe. It was almost like a clanking sound.

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It was almost like clanking rocks together, not really hitting rocks,

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shuffling around in your hand. Okay, I don't know if

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that makes sense or not. So I hear that, and

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it's off to my left a little bit, and it

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sounds really close to me. I think something's there. I

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just don't know what it is. I hear something moving,

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and I hear it moving away away from me. So

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I go towards the movement and I go up. It's

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not a path. It's like a little clear spot where

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there's not as much dead fallen underbrush. It almost looks

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like a game trail of some sort, very narrow game trail.

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As I'm going up, I'm hearing something moving in front

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of me, some snaps, something moving through the underbrush. So

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I threw on my flashlight shined it up the trail

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and just as I threw on my flashlight and shined

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it above the trail, this thing walked across the trail

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right into my flashlight and crossed in front of me,

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probably at that point twenty five feet away, and all

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I saw was something huge, massive hair. The hair was

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like a I'm trying to think of a color. I

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have a hat that's a tannish gray color. And it

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was just as smooth as it could be. It almost

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looked like somebody had groomed it, like somebody had brushed

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this hair. And this thing quickly one step steps across

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the trail in front of me, and I can hear

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it continue walking up this trail. I see basically like

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from the waist up. I could see the back. I

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could see the side of the arm and the shoulder,

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and the head was turned away from me because it

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was walking away from me, so I couldn't see any

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face or any facial features, no neck that I remember,

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just this massive thing. And it was literally a half

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a second, maybe a second, that it took it to

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step across the trail into my flashlight.

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Speaker 3: But you just got lucky turning your flashlight on while

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it was stepping.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, if I had not turned my flashlight on,

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There's no way I would have seen this thing. So

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I broke the rules basically, when I went out with

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Todd and Radium, that was one of the things if

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you see something it's a bfro thing. I know, they

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tell people on a copedition, don't turn your fucking flashlight on.

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Speaker 3: They use red.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I had a headlamp that has a red

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light on it. I just wasn't wearing my headlamp. I

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had a sheer fire was actually one of my old

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duty flashlights that I had from being on the police

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department years ago. But there was right in front of me,

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twenty five feet away, steps across the trail and keeps

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going up. I hear people now moving in the woods

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because I've gone deeper in the woods, and I hear

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people moving behind me at this point.

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Speaker 3: So when you see it, do you scream out?

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Speaker 2: Do you yell back to them?

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Speaker 3: I see it? What's your reaction?

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Speaker 2: I did not yell. As they got closer, I said,

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I just saw it cross the trail. I just saw

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it cross the trail. So at that point, Chris and

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I get together. Chris is I want to say, he's

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former military but I know he was on the Queen's

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guard at one point. He's six foot five. He's a

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pretty massive figure, right, so I can hear him coming

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through the woods. He sounds like a sasquatch coming through

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the woods behind me. So Chris and I get together,

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Daniel and his dad Craig off to our right, and

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they're all looking in these areas, trying to see what

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they can see, what they can hear it. There's a

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little bit of commotion because now they know I've seen something,

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We've heard something, They've seen something on thermal. Now I've

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heard something and seen something. So everybody's coming to this

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area and trying to converge and figure out what's going on.

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So I tell Chris what I saw. He said, okay,

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let's go in the direction. At one point, I have

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to go back and listen to the audio because I'm

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a little foggy on exactly how he described it. But

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he and I heard this thump. It was a loud thump.

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It almost sounded like something heavy stomped to the ground

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or something heavy jumped out of a tree. That's the

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best way I can describe it. But we both heard

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it simultaneously and it's on the audio that I recorded.

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I did listen to some of that part, but I've

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got to go back and get this specific.

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Speaker 3: You can hear the thump in the audio.

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Speaker 2: Can't hear the thump. I haven't tried to isolate it

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because I've literally only listened to this once. But we

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have a conversation about it. He and I both heard something.

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We're both talking about it. We're continuing on in this area,

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converging around, and everything's going fast. At this point, I'm

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hearing a bunch of commotion. I'm seeing some lights. People

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are coming in the area. There's excitement. The next thing

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I remember hearing was something's moving. I can still hear

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movement in this area, and it seems like it's coming

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from our left to our right, Daniel and his dad

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Craiger to my right, and I hear Daniel say, I

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see eye shine, I see I shine. I see I shine.

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And I'm like, oh shit, I'm ten fifteen feet away

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from them, twenty feet. I converge on whether area. I'm

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seeing him point and I'm looking in that area again.

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It's a similar to the area i'd just been in

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this little game trail. It's continuing up this ridge and

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it's probably seven ten percent grade. It's a pretty steep

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ridge that continues on up to an apex at the top.

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We didn't know that at the time. We eventually got there.

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Daniel says, I see I shine, so I stop. I

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get closer to them, so I'm on the same angle

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as them. I'm just maybe eight feet away from them,

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and I look up this trail and at this point,

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00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,400
again I'm trying to remember, I have to go back

474
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:07,839
and look at it. I know they were filming at

475
00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:10,200
this time, but the cameramen couldn't get in there because

476
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,559
it was so thick. RPG had a small Sony Candy

477
00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:20,359
cam from the nineteen nineties, but it records in night vision,

478
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,000
so we got some stuff on night vision from that.

479
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,119
Chris had a couple of GoPros on and some things

480
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,319
were recorded. I'll just say that that I remember nobody

481
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,519
had a flashlight on it this time. I look where

482
00:23:32,599 --> 00:23:38,119
Daniel's pointing, and I see these two huge, round, white,

483
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,119
glowing eyes. I don't know any other way to describe it.

484
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,599
They're like the size of half dollars, are bigger, glowing white,

485
00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:49,960
not like flashlight in your face kind of light. But

486
00:23:50,079 --> 00:23:53,920
glowing like self illuminating eyes. I think it was to

487
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,680
the right of those, a little bit further down, it's

488
00:23:57,759 --> 00:24:01,440
a little bit shorter, two more eyes. I am freaked

489
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,680
out at this point. You're having this moment like everything's

490
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,319
happening so fast. Daniel screams, their's eyes shine. Three seconds later,

491
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,519
I'm looking at these things right there. They're fifteen feet

492
00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:15,359
away from me on this truil, and they're doing how

493
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,640
people have described the swaying motion that they've seen these

494
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,359
creatures do. They sway back and forth, ducking down. That's

495
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,960
the movement that these two sets of eyes are doing.

496
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,880
They're swaying back and forth and going up and down.

497
00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:32,440
So I'm watching this. It's probably one one thousand and two,

498
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,240
one thousand and three, one thousand. Somebody throws on a flashlight,

499
00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:41,319
but right before the flashlight comes on, these things fall

500
00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:44,119
to the ground. I don't know any other way to

501
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,200
describe it. It's like they just completely disappear onto the ground.

502
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,440
But I can see them moving down like something's laying

503
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,400
down on the ground fast, like it's really fast, and

504
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,119
they're gone. Flashlight comes on. I don't know if it

505
00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,519
was Daniel. I don't know if it was Craig, I

506
00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:02,960
don't know who turned the flashlight on. Almost identical to

507
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,920
what I had seen earlier. It's one of these creatures.

508
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,200
It stood up and it's standing in the trail in

509
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,240
the flashlight. All three of us see it. Chris sees it.

510
00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:16,920
I see it, Daniel sees it, and it starts running

511
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:17,400
up the hill.

512
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,039
Speaker 3: When it stands up, is it facing you or turned

513
00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:20,559
away from it?

514
00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:23,599
Speaker 2: Turned away? So we see the same thing, same silhouette.

515
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,079
It looked like the exact same thing I had just seen.

516
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,880
So for I'm fifteen feet I was standing fifteen feet away.

517
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,119
I had moved up the hill closer to it, so

518
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,119
they're probably twenty five feet away. They're probably ten feet

519
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:38,200
behind me at this point. Because I'm moving towards I

520
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,640
am hearing the movement. I just saw those eyes, so

521
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,880
I was already walking towards what was glowing. So I'm

522
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,160
closer than that, and this thing stands up. I say,

523
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,599
stands up. It just came into frame. How about that?

524
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,160
It came into frame, It crossed over the path. We

525
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,519
hear it and see it going up the hill. We're

526
00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:58,599
all like, holy shit, I think Chris said, oh my

527
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,799
fucking god. Oh my fucking I see it move, I

528
00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:07,039
immediately take off after it, flat out as fast as

529
00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:09,680
I can go. I'm running up the hill after this thing,

530
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,960
which was stupid in retrospect.

531
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,319
Speaker 3: What are you gonna do if you catch it?

532
00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: I've always wondered how I would respond, what I turntail

533
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,240
and run? Would I be frozen in fear? Would adrenaline

534
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,079
take over? And would I chase these things? I chased

535
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,279
it up the hill. Even if it were haaved on

536
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,359
this grade and I'd gotten a head start, there would

537
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,640
have been no way I would have even gotten close

538
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,880
to this creature because the dead fall there I can't

539
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,839
even describe to you. I hope somebody's got video that

540
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,000
I can get, because I don't think I recorded any

541
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,640
because we went back the following day, but the dead

542
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,160
fall there, dude, I still don't know how I made

543
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,640
it up the hill as fast as I did without

544
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,480
hurting myself, because once you go back and see the

545
00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:54,759
area in the daytime, you're like, oh my god, we

546
00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:56,720
were all like I can't believe we're not all dead.

547
00:26:57,319 --> 00:26:59,599
I don't know how we made it through that adrenaline

548
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,559
was pumped being so fast I didn't give a shit

549
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,440
at this point. I was just flat out running up

550
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,279
the heel. Of course, I hear a few things here

551
00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:09,440
and there. It wasn't a ton of noise, but I

552
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,119
could tell this thing, something was moving away from me.

553
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,359
And then it's just gone. It's just nothing. I make

554
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,960
it up to the top of the ridge. Of course,

555
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,759
everybody's coming. Reinforcements are coming. We get up to the

556
00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:23,920
top of the ridge and almost immediately and you get

557
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,640
to see a little bit of this in the film,

558
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,119
but Ryan is using his little handycam or whatever he's got,

559
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:32,720
he's recording and he's immediately asking me what happened. So

560
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:36,759
you get to see my immediate reaction literally seconds after

561
00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:39,519
I have this encounter with this thing for the third

562
00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:42,000
time now in two days. I've seen these things from

563
00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:45,240
fifteen feet away. So Ryan starts doing his thing. He's

564
00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:47,920
phenomenal dude. He's been around television a lot. He's a pro.

565
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,400
He knows exactly the kind of questions to ask. So

566
00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:53,359
he starts asking me, and I start talking about what happened,

567
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,039
and we get into all of that. I tell you,

568
00:27:56,079 --> 00:28:00,240
what I didn't expect was the emotion. I was just

569
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:03,839
completely overwhelmed. I cried like a little baby. Ryan asked me,

570
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,400
I don't remember exactly how he worded the question, but

571
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,599
he's asking me what I saw, what happened. How does

572
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,440
that make me feel? He said something along the lines

573
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:12,640
of what are you going to say to people who

574
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,960
don't believe you or question what you saw or something

575
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,920
along those lines. I said, I don't give a shit, dude.

576
00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:20,920
I know exactly what I just experienced, and I don't care.

577
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,519
The emotional part from me was realizing at the top

578
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:26,640
of the hill what had just happened. Right I'm coming

579
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,759
down off this adrenaline dump, said, I'm so emotional right now,

580
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:33,759
and I'm crying because I feel like such an asshole

581
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,559
because I have listened to so many people's stories that

582
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:40,119
have shared their encounter stories with me on my show

583
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,319
and talked about what they saw and these glowing eyes,

584
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:48,920
and I completely dismissed it. I said, you're full of shit.

585
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,079
There's no way these things have glowing eyes. I don't

586
00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:54,279
believe that. And it just hit me that I had

587
00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:56,519
doubted so many people and now I had that very

588
00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:59,680
experience myself. It just really overwhelmed me, and I got

589
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,240
about it dude, I was happy, and I was also shocked,

590
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,480
and there was so many emotions going on, so I

591
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:10,480
cried like a little bit. I'm not ashamed to admit it.

592
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,079
It was an emotional experience. Man.

593
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: That's one thing that stands out to me when you

594
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,359
relived it and told me the story the first time,

595
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,559
the fact that you said it was the most enlightening experience,

596
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:25,759
the most humblings, The emotions stuck over and I put

597
00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:28,279
myself in those shoes, and I feel like I would

598
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:33,720
have the same reaction. So you guys are disclose to

599
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:37,079
this thing, all of you. Surely it's on camera, It's

600
00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:37,559
on film.

601
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about that.

602
00:29:39,839 --> 00:29:42,599
Speaker 3: He just gave me a little evil grin. So I

603
00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:43,759
don't know what's coming, y'all.

604
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to tread very lightly here because I can

605
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,519
tell you now there's no smoking gun here. There's no

606
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,000
Patterson Gemlin film that we recorded, but something was recorded.

607
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:58,160
Chris had two GoPros going. He had one facing forward

608
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,200
and one facing backwards. He actually lost the one that

609
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:03,440
was facing backwards in the woods. It's still in the

610
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,640
woods somewhere on this heel. We never found it. We

611
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,160
went back the next day. We searched for it, couldn't

612
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,279
find it.

613
00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:13,119
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more of that Bigfoot podcast.

614
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:19,319
Speaker 2: We will be right back. After these messages, Craig had

615
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:20,960
to go pro on and Daniel had to go pro

616
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:24,720
on as well. Remember the film crew, the two camera

617
00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:26,839
guys couldn't come in the woods with us because they're

618
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:32,079
carrying these humongous thirty five thousand dollars camera rigs. I

619
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,279
got jam. They could not get where we were safely

620
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,440
because they're looking through the lens of the camera. You

621
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:39,440
can't do that at night. We just couldn't do it.

622
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,039
So the only filming that was going on was these

623
00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:44,160
go pros and Ryan's camera.

624
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

625
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: See, I didn't know that. I was expecting a couple

626
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,920
of camera men behind y'all filming all this.

627
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, no, damn. But I can tell you this. Chris

628
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,559
sent me some video. I think it was three or

629
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:01,319
four days ago, because he's been working on the video

630
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,519
from his GoPro. It's probably a second and a half clip. Again,

631
00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:10,359
if I showed it to you or anybody else that

632
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:14,079
wasn't there and you didn't have the totality of the circumstances,

633
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:18,599
you go, eh, there's something there. Yeah, But knowing what

634
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,680
we all saw. He captured exactly what we saw going

635
00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:24,880
up the trail. It's on film, and to experience that

636
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:28,599
with the people that were there and having that connection

637
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,680
and that relationship with the people that were there was

638
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,640
just a very emotional time. I know people are going

639
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,720
to say, it is what it is, you're filming, you

640
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:39,359
don't have it on film, it's every other bigfoot story,

641
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,200
blah blah blah, get it. And that's fine because I'm

642
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,839
at a point in my life. Dude, I really don't

643
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,000
give a shit if you believe me or not. I

644
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,839
could care less. I'm just stoked because I was able

645
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,920
to have that experience for myself. Now I know that

646
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,839
these creatures are real. That was the only validation that

647
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,400
I ever needed when it comes to this, can say

648
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,839
shit about my experience. It is what it is. But

649
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:03,640
that's what happened.

650
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:03,799
Speaker 1: Man.

651
00:32:04,039 --> 00:32:08,039
Speaker 3: Let's talk about size. This last siding that y'all had,

652
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:11,119
you said, stands up and kind of comes into frame.

653
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,400
I'm sure y'all are looking up at it. How big

654
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:14,759
would you?

655
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: Did?

656
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,519
Speaker 3: Y'all do a size comparison.

657
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,759
Speaker 2: The only size comparison we could really do was trying

658
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:22,519
to put Chris in that general area because he was

659
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:24,319
the tallest of all of us. He's a couple of

660
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:26,039
inches taller than MA. I'm about six to one and

661
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:29,119
a half. Chris is probably closer to six four ish,

662
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:31,480
and he's a little bit bigger than me. Given that

663
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:35,839
and what Chris and I immediately got together, what did

664
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,440
you see? What did you see? Kind of thing? Probably

665
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,359
seven seven and a half feet tall? Did you give

666
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,000
or take? That's a guesstimate. Could it have been six

667
00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:45,799
and a half feet sure? Could it have been eight?

668
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:49,359
Absolutely what we've landed on between seven and seven and

669
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,519
a half feet Given the grade, the trees around, and

670
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:55,960
where we were in relation to it, I would say

671
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,680
safely seven to seven and a half feet tall.

672
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: I wonder why this thing would let y'all get that clothe.

673
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: Trust me, we've had those conversations. I have went through

674
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:05,720
that in my mind.

675
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:08,839
Speaker 3: And at the same time, it makes me wonder how

676
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,920
many times have I been that clothes? Have I ever

677
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,759
been that clothed? Are they that good at staying hidden?

678
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:22,359
Speaker 2: Given everything that happened, I can only surmise. I hate

679
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:25,079
it when people say this because there's absolutely no way

680
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:28,440
to know. But I got the feeling here I go.

681
00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:31,480
It's a feeling that it was possibly a juvenile or

682
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:34,319
a couple of juveniles, because I do believe there was

683
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:37,640
more than one in the woods because of what we

684
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,440
were hearing, the whistling and the moving in different areas.

685
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,799
Could be wrong, but I felt like what I saw

686
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,160
the first time on the first trail was the same

687
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,880
thing I saw the second time with Chris, Daniel and Craig.

688
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,880
It seemed like they were curious. That's the feeling that

689
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,119
I got. Why would you whistle? You whistle it people

690
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,960
to get their attention, right, unless you're whistling Dixie and

691
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,480
you're just happy and it's like singing. But if you're

692
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:06,359
whistling like that, it is a definite over here. I'm

693
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,000
over here. I don't know why you would do that.

694
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,000
But I felt like it was a curiosity. I felt

695
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:14,760
like they were playing with us. That's what it felt

696
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:15,199
like to me.

697
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 3: We've heard that, you and I both have heard that

698
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:20,920
people say that they felt like sometimes they felt like

699
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,800
they were playing with you. They have a sense of humor.

700
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,000
I've heard that so many times. Yeah, Now, you did

701
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,559
say you saw two sets of eyeshine right, one tall

702
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,159
and one smaller.

703
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: So that was the other thing that would lead me

704
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,159
to believe that there were two creatures. There is the

705
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:40,199
two sets of eyeshine, one slightly smaller than the other.

706
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,400
I'm not talking like one was two feet tall and

707
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,400
the other one was eight feet tall. They were within

708
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:47,519
a foot or so of each other. But they were

709
00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:50,119
doing that swaying back and forth and dipping down, and

710
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:54,599
then they just dropped disappeared. Could it have been them

711
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,880
closing their eyes or turning away as opposed to dropping. Sure,

712
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,559
I just got the feeling that they dropped to the ground.

713
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:03,639
That's what I felt like. That made sense to me.

714
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,000
Somebody's looking at you. Oh shit, they see me. What

715
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,480
do you do? You drop down, you duck behind something,

716
00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:12,639
you get lower. That's the impression that I got. But

717
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,800
I definitely think there were two, and I think they

718
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,440
were curious. I think they were messing with us. Maybe

719
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,719
it was just a fun thing. Maybe they were just curious.

720
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,880
I don't know. People say different things when they approach

721
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,960
their research. Don't go out in the woods with a

722
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,639
bunch of people. I've heard that all the time. You know,

723
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,559
these do these TV shows and expedition bigfoots out there

724
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:32,800
with thirty seven people and all these cameras ain't never

725
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,000
gonna slave Bigfoot. Clearly you can, because we had ten

726
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:39,679
or twelve people in the woods, traps and around people talking.

727
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,800
We weren't being quiet. We were talking and doing our thing,

728
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,239
which is typically what you hear when people say, we

729
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,639
sit around the campfire and it drew them in. They

730
00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:51,320
threw rocks, they came in just on the edge of

731
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,440
our firelight. Those kind of stories. It all made sense.

732
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,199
It all came together for me literally in those couple

733
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:00,840
of experiences. I thought, holy shit, this is exactly what

734
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,159
I've heard from hundreds of people, and it just happened

735
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:07,559
to me. It just happened to us. Now, if you

736
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,079
go out there and you hear a whistle, okay, you

737
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:13,400
hear a stick break, oh okay, you see something that

738
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,079
moves across the trail really quickly, okay. But we started

739
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:21,159
with a thermal hit from James Bobo Fay. I don't

740
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:24,159
know how many hours Bobo has looked through a thermal

741
00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:27,960
monocular in his twenty plus years of researching Bigfoot, but

742
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,000
I guarantee it's quite a few hours. So he has

743
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:34,880
a general understanding of is this a field mouse? Or

744
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,320
is it a possible sasquatch. I immediately go towards it.

745
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,639
I hear something and then I see something moving across

746
00:36:41,639 --> 00:36:45,679
the trail that looks huge and it's walking on two feet.

747
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,239
That's number one. Then we have these glowing eyes, and

748
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,400
then three people see something else huge and Harry walking

749
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,920
on two feet cross across a trail, and then I

750
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,280
proceed to chase it up the hill. So the whistles,

751
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,920
the thermal, the other sounds, the two sightings, then the

752
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,880
experience of the eye shine. I don't know what else

753
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:09,320
it could be.

754
00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:11,559
Speaker 3: Now you know what it is. We all know what

755
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:14,119
it was, and I fucking hate you. Yeah, that's what

756
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:16,679
I'm waiting on. Man, I've not had mine yet. I'm

757
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,000
glad that you had a chance to have your Class AA.

758
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:21,920
You had at least two Class a's, wouldn't you say.

759
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 2: Oh, hands down? Yeah? The first one again, the first

760
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,519
time it crossed across the trail, I was maybe twenty

761
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:31,639
five feet away. Second time, ten to fifteen feet. It

762
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,320
was right there. It was so shocking how close I

763
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,360
was to it. I looked back at the video of

764
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,599
I don't know who's I think it was Craig filming.

765
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:45,559
I can't say for sure. I've seen that uncut version

766
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,239
of the film before it was edited, but it was

767
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,400
shocking how close I was to the eyes because they

768
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,960
caught the eye shine. It's not really clear. I'm really close,

769
00:37:55,159 --> 00:37:58,239
probably ten feet at that point, and I have no

770
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,239
idea what's going on. I have no idea. I think

771
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,159
I know what I'm seeing. I'm like, holy shit, that's eyes.

772
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,039
Those are eyes. They're glowing eyes looking at me right

773
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:07,280
now from ten feet away.

774
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 3: And there was no lights oh.

775
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: Nowhere in the middle of the fucking woods.

776
00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:13,159
Speaker 3: Dude, Idy had a flash light.

777
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,559
Speaker 2: Nobody, no, not at that point. Everybody had flashlights. We

778
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:18,159
just didn't have it on at that point, we weren't on.

779
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,719
It was self illuminating. They were lit up, glowing eyes.

780
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:23,519
Speaker 3: Fucking crazy.

781
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: I can't explain that, dude. That's one of the things

782
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,559
that has truly shocked to me more than having the

783
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:33,280
actual sighting, was not being able to explain that part

784
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,599
of it. I don't know what that is or why

785
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:39,320
that is. It doesn't make sense to me, but that's

786
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,960
what happened. How do you have that? How does something's

787
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,920
eyes glow? We're not talking eyeshine again, we're talking about

788
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:49,000
emitting its own light. And how many times have we

789
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:57,119
heard that? How many times have people said that different colors? Green, blue, red, white, amber, yellow,

790
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,239
You've heard it all. And I used to shrug and go, oh, yeah, okay.

791
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,599
It came right out of the portal with its glowing

792
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:05,679
eyes to take a shit before it got on the

793
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,679
spaceship to go back to Andromeda.

794
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,519
Speaker 3: Earn you away from the biological camp.

795
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 2: I don't think so at all. I think these creatures

796
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,480
are flesh and blood. I think they're very much like

797
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:21,400
you and I and other primates, other great apes. But

798
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:26,320
I think they clearly have some superabilities that we just

799
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,039
don't understand yet. Yeah, that's the only way I can

800
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:36,039
describe it, because plenty of animals have that. We have cuddlefish, octopus, quid,

801
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,599
all of these creatures that have these amazing abilities. There's

802
00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:43,760
fish on the bottom of the sea that glow. We

803
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,480
know it exists in nature. It just never made sense

804
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:49,400
to me, and still frankly doesn't make sense to me

805
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:53,599
how it could exist in something like a primate or

806
00:39:53,679 --> 00:39:56,159
a great ape. But who's to say that it does it?

807
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,880
Because I experienced it. There's got to be a reason

808
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,159
for it. There's got to be an an answer, just

809
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,480
don't know what that answer is. And that's why I'm

810
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:05,840
at the point now where I said it before. I

811
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,039
don't really give a shit about evidence anymore. I don't

812
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:11,320
really care about video. It's more about what these creatures are.

813
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:15,679
What are they? What abilities do they have? That's the

814
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,599
rabbit hole that I'm in Now I know they're real.

815
00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:19,159
Now I want to know what they are. I want

816
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:21,880
to know why I saw what I saw, how it

817
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,760
did what I saw it do, and above that. And

818
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,920
I know I'll never get answers to most of these questions.

819
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,559
But back to your original point, why did this thing

820
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:34,519
come so close to us? Why? It doesn't make sense

821
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,559
if these things are so elusive, why was it ten

822
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,480
feet away from me? Unless it was just curious And

823
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:42,360
we've heard this so many times from people like it

824
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:44,719
North American. What a conservancy they have, them come in

825
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,039
very close, They throw rocks, they do things that just

826
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:50,519
don't make sense. If they're trying to be elusive and

827
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:55,880
not be seen or discovered, it just makes sense that

828
00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:59,920
they can't overcome their curiosity. There's a reason that some

829
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:03,199
might have came up with curiosity killed the cat animals

830
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:06,719
are naturally curious. We are very curious. Nobody can go

831
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,159
by the road when you're going to town and you

832
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:10,480
see a bunch of cops on the side of the

833
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:12,920
road with flashing lights. That's why people run into the

834
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,239
back of each other because they're fucking looking and rubbernecking

835
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:18,000
because they want to know what's going on. There was

836
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:21,880
ten or twelve people in their woods, in their backyard,

837
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,480
in their house. They came in to see what the

838
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,000
fuck we were doing. That's the only explanation I have.

839
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,360
Nothing else really makes sense to me. Yam.

840
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 3: I always say, if you want to have an encounter,

841
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,440
go camping, just do be yourself. What you just told

842
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,079
me makes me believe that even more because why else

843
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:42,599
would they allow you to get that clothes.

844
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, man, there is not one

845
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,079
part of me, even after seeing the tree peaker the

846
00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:54,159
previous day when we were scouting the area, even given that,

847
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,199
if you asked me going into that night shoot, where

848
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,400
are you on a scale of one to ten, ten

849
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,719
being certain that you're going to have an experience and

850
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,519
one being absolutely nothing, Where are you on that scale

851
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:09,280
of we're going to have some kind of experience. During

852
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,519
the night hike and the night shoot, I was probably

853
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:15,840
a one, might have even been a zero. I thought,

854
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,119
there's no way that we're going to have any kind

855
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:21,119
of We were just going out to get them. We

856
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:23,239
were going out to have a good time. We had

857
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,480
a couple of things. We did some really cool calls

858
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:28,440
at the end. We did like a group call. Bobo

859
00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:31,960
did one of his famous calls. We all did one

860
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,360
as a group in harmony, which I thought was really

861
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,880
cool to see if we could elicit a response. We

862
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,119
had those things planned and that's basically what I was

863
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:40,679
going into it, just to have a good time and

864
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,480
go hiking in the woods at night with a bunch

865
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:45,519
of people I love. And we ended up having those encounters.

866
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:47,920
But I did not believe anything was going to happen.

867
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,480
I didn't think you were going to take ten people

868
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,480
out there with cameras, trapesing through the woods and talking

869
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:54,440
and laughing and doing all these things, and these things

870
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,159
are going to come in that close and you have

871
00:42:56,199 --> 00:42:58,800
an experience. I wouldn't believe that if you'd told me,

872
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,199
I had no clue that anything that's got y'all.

873
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: Had the experience.

874
00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: Some people said that Ryan said, he's been doing this

875
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:07,440
for a lot of years, and poor Ryan didn't get

876
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,440
to see it. He didn't see either time, but he

877
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:13,400
was so happy for everybody who did. He said, I've

878
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,000
been waiting my entire life to come together with a

879
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:19,039
team like this that is doing this for the right reason.

880
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:22,360
And it got a little sappy. Everybody's kind of like minded,

881
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,679
and everybody's rallying around this kid because it's really it

882
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:27,559
goes back to that. It wasn't about Bigfoot. It was

883
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:30,559
about this kid and his experiences, and we all love

884
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:33,719
him dearly. Obviously, his family loves him. We've all grown

885
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,360
to love him. That's what it was about. And Ryan said,

886
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,159
he's a little bit more out there. He's a little

887
00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:42,320
bit more woo when it comes to his beliefs about

888
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,039
some things when it comes to Bigfoot, and we don't

889
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:47,079
necessarily agree on that, but he said, I think the

890
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:50,039
team was right. We put together the right people and

891
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:53,719
we came together and it just happened because it was

892
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,639
the right people. He said, I don't believe if we'd

893
00:43:56,639 --> 00:43:59,679
had a group of other people on that heel, he

894
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:02,039
doesn't believe that would have happened. I don't go that far,

895
00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:05,639
because I think that goes into another realm of high

896
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:09,840
strangeness that I'm not really there yet. But am I wrong?

897
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,639
Do they pick up on energy? Are they able to

898
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,920
sense what's going on? Did they know that Daniel was

899
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,440
there and he's autistic? Did they come in to check

900
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:21,599
on him? I don't know. There's so many places this

901
00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:26,239
could go, but I do believe that it came together

902
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,320
the way that it did with the people that it

903
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,880
did for a reason. I don't know exactly what that

904
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,360
reason is, but I am just so thankful that I

905
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,599
was able to be a part of it, and that

906
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:37,519
we did get a lot of that stuff on film

907
00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:41,039
and people will be able to at least experience some

908
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:43,840
of what happened that night with us and that raw emotion,

909
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,280
because it was a very emotional thing, and there was

910
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,159
a lot of crying in the documentary, and we did

911
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:50,960
some interviews and I think I cried a little bit

912
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,239
in my interview. Ryan's a cry er. I can't wait

913
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,880
for the Coalition for Critical Thinking group to see the

914
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,679
comments they have after they watched the documentary. I'm sure

915
00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:00,199
it's going to be a whop. But I think the

916
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:02,360
people who get it and who the film is really

917
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,679
for and it's not just for the Bigfoot community. It's

918
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,440
for a larger group of people. I think that are

919
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,519
going to enjoy this film because it is about Daniel

920
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:13,840
and his journey and autism and all the things that

921
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,800
are covered in the film. Yeah, that's it, man. It's

922
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,599
not as big and sexy as a lot of people

923
00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:21,400
would probably want it to be, but that's the story. Man,

924
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:22,119
that's what happened.

925
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 3: I think it's awesome. I'm jealous, obviously, because you got

926
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,920
to do what I want to do and what I

927
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,280
want to experience. But man, I'm so happy for you,

928
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,039
happy for all of them. And like you said earlier,

929
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:38,559
this thing is a family. At this point, the Bigfoot

930
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:41,400
community is a family, and I have people, you being

931
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,599
one of them, that I will consider my friend for

932
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:46,320
the rest of my life. I would not know you

933
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,599
if it wasn't for Bigfoot. There's a lot of stories

934
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:50,679
out there like that. All right, everybody, thank you so

935
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,159
much all of the continued support, everything that you guys

936
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,559
do for us. We love you, We thank you. Until

937
00:45:57,559 --> 00:45:59,840
we talk to you all again. I'll take care of yourselves,

938
00:46:00,159 --> 00:48:03,280
take care of each other. Things contimating p