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Let him 31 00:01:22,359 --> 00:01:25,040 know I sent you. Let's get out to the highlight. 32 00:01:25,079 --> 00:01:28,359 Welcome and the one the only representing ESPN. We got 33 00:01:28,439 --> 00:01:30,280 Trevor Maddi's former BA right on the line. 34 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: Trevor, how are you. I'm doing great man, how are you? 35 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 3: I'm living the dream man? All is well in Cougar Country. 36 00:01:37,079 --> 00:01:39,159 Kilanie has been extended b always going to the Big 37 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,959 twelve Championship. I have a few, you know, a few 38 00:01:44,079 --> 00:01:47,040 gripes regarding the colle Football Playoff Committee, and maybe a 39 00:01:47,079 --> 00:01:50,599 few gripes about bear Bachmeyer not not being listed as 40 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,159 a Freshman of the Year. Candidate, or even Kialani being 41 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,319 a Coach of the Year candidate nationalie. But all things considered, 42 00:01:58,359 --> 00:02:01,159 I'm grateful man, and we're getting off Thanksgiving and getting 43 00:02:01,159 --> 00:02:02,959 into December all as well. 44 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: Brother, Yeah, I know, I hear you. 45 00:02:06,359 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: Though. 46 00:02:06,519 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: There's so much good going on right now, and BYU 47 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:14,199 is in position to control their destiny end of the playoffs. 48 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,240 And that's good too. That's never happened before. So we're 49 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,120 in uncharted territory, no. 50 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:24,479 Speaker 3: Doubt about it, Trevor. As you've been evaluating BYU this 51 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,159 year and watching them win their way through their schedule, like, 52 00:02:28,439 --> 00:02:31,840 how would you describe as BYU football team. You've check tape, 53 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,240 You've watched the film, You've seen the outcomes, you see 54 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,759 the strength of schedule, you see the FPI, you see 55 00:02:38,759 --> 00:02:41,719 the strength of record. Who is this BYU Cougar football team. 56 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: I think the word I'd use to describe them as 57 00:02:45,719 --> 00:02:50,680 resilient because they haven't always dominated all four quarters. I mean, 58 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,280 I think there were four games where they trailed by 59 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,639 double digits and three of them they came back to win, 60 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,159 and including that big one against Iowa State. And so 61 00:03:01,719 --> 00:03:04,080 the way this team is played when they get pushed 62 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,120 in the mouth, they don't wilt. And that goes to 63 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,240 the culture. I mean, you hear the players echoing what 64 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,199 the coaches defined as their culture when you talk about 65 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,479 unity and love and some words like love that you 66 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,039 don't hear from a lot of other programs, and yet 67 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,800 it's a real tangible thing with this BYU program. And 68 00:03:25,879 --> 00:03:27,439 I think that's one of the reasons they sit it 69 00:03:27,439 --> 00:03:29,479 at eleven and one and they're going to be playing 70 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,759 Texas Tech for the Big twelve Championship. It's that culture 71 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:35,639 that you seem manifest on the field when things aren't 72 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,199 going well that allows them to come back. 73 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: Resilient. Sometimes when you say resilient, right, some people would 74 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,719 interpret that as, Hey, they're gritty, they're hardworking, they're the 75 00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:54,800 Jim Rat right, They're the overachiever. They're the nice little 76 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,520 ball club that just doesn't have the talent to win 77 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,319 and win big. And so I feel like that's been 78 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,240 a little bit of their brand for a long time. 79 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:07,360 Maybe maybe that's been the BYU brand for a long 80 00:04:07,479 --> 00:04:10,840 time since nineteen seventy two to present day, and they're 81 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,800 just going to have to overcome that. Eventually. They got 82 00:04:12,879 --> 00:04:16,480 to start acquiring top twenty recruiting classes like they just did, 83 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,000 monopolizing the LDS talent, bringing in the best of the best, 84 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,920 and competing at a high level year and in year 85 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,639 out before they get the maybe the credibility of a 86 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:27,519 big time program. 87 00:04:29,439 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: Right well, I think that's one of the reasons they 88 00:04:32,519 --> 00:04:35,000 sit at number eleven right now with an eleven to 89 00:04:35,079 --> 00:04:37,959 one record and with the stats that they have, because 90 00:04:38,199 --> 00:04:40,800 I think the Committee might not be convinced yet that 91 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,399 BYU as a program has elevated beyond just a couple 92 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,759 of good seasons, and I disagree with that, and I 93 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,920 don't think the committee should be looking at it that way. 94 00:04:49,079 --> 00:04:51,519 I know that they don't intend to, but they have 95 00:04:52,519 --> 00:04:55,040 human beings on the committee, and human beings are biased, 96 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,199 and I think there might be just a little bit 97 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,720 of bias because of that. But I think BYU is 98 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,680 in position to be competitive as a top twelve team 99 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,240 and as a playoff team and maybe beyond that if 100 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,079 they play cleanly and if they do what they normally 101 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,439 do to win games, which is to say, don't make 102 00:05:12,519 --> 00:05:16,639 mistakes and take advantage of the opponent's mistakes. The defense 103 00:05:16,759 --> 00:05:18,959 is one of the better defenses in the nation, and 104 00:05:19,079 --> 00:05:22,160 the offense is one of the most balanced offenses in 105 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,000 the nation. And the offense, you know, that's secondly in 106 00:05:25,079 --> 00:05:28,639 the Big Twelve in the rushing yards per game, and 107 00:05:28,879 --> 00:05:33,759 they are third in points scored in the Big Twelve. 108 00:05:34,199 --> 00:05:36,199 And so it's not like, you know, this is a 109 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,959 team that is a one trick ponent. The defense is 110 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,680 very good of a lot of things. The offense is 111 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,160 very good at running and throwing the ball, and that 112 00:05:46,319 --> 00:05:48,079 kind of balance is what you need to have an 113 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,560 eleven to one record. And so, you know, I think 114 00:05:50,639 --> 00:05:53,759 the BYU program is ahead of what perception is. I 115 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,360 think there are a lot of fans, not just BYU fans, 116 00:05:56,399 --> 00:05:59,639 but college football fans that see BYU in a positive 117 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,519 light but want to see more against the top teams 118 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,639 in the nation before they'll believe in them. But I 119 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:09,360 think BYU has already shown that they belong in that conversation, 120 00:06:10,079 --> 00:06:14,040 and now I think college football as a nation needs 121 00:06:14,079 --> 00:06:16,199 to catch up with where BYU has arrived. 122 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: Trevor Matich on the Line, Cougar Sports, ESPN The Fan, Trevor, 123 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,560 a couple of things I want to I want you 124 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,600 to kind of help me out with here. If BYU 125 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:34,439 beats Texas, Tech. Okay, obviously they're in the Collegeotball playoff. 126 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,519 What happens with Tech? How far do they drop? 127 00:06:36,639 --> 00:06:40,319 Speaker 1: Do you think? I don't think they drop far. I'm 128 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,519 certain they won't drop out of the top ten. You know. 129 00:06:43,639 --> 00:06:47,360 I think the key for them will be right now, 130 00:06:47,399 --> 00:06:49,480 they sit at number four, which will get them a bye, 131 00:06:49,639 --> 00:06:53,000 which they will keep if they beat BYU. But if 132 00:06:53,079 --> 00:06:57,759 BYU beats Tech, remember the tears here. You've got one 133 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,720 through four, get a bye, seven and eight get a 134 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,360 home playoff game, and then there's a big scramble as 135 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:06,879 to who will be nine, ten, eleven, and twelve, and 136 00:07:07,079 --> 00:07:12,279 so Texas Tech I doubt would drop past the top eight. 137 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:15,079 But as you look at the teams they'd be competing 138 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:18,439 for to be in the top eight you're talking about 139 00:07:18,519 --> 00:07:21,279 right now, five, six, seven or eight are Oklahoma, Ole, 140 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:25,800 miss Texas, A and M and Oregon. And I think 141 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,920 that you know, Oregon being number five in Oklahoma being 142 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,959 number eight, And I think Texas Tech right now is 143 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,240 seen by the committee as being better than all of 144 00:07:35,319 --> 00:07:37,720 those teams. I think Texas Tech is seen by the 145 00:07:37,759 --> 00:07:42,120 committee as being much more balanced than Oklahoma, both outstanding defenses. 146 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,079 But I think Texas Tech's offense is much better than 147 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,120 Oklahoma's right now. So I think if Texas Tech loses, 148 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,160 what will happen is they won't drop out of the playoff. 149 00:07:52,079 --> 00:07:54,480 I think they won't even drop out of the top eight, 150 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,720 which would still give them a home playoff game. 151 00:07:58,319 --> 00:08:03,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is a situation in which we're 152 00:08:03,319 --> 00:08:06,879 kind of evaluating those that are deserving in those that 153 00:08:06,959 --> 00:08:09,639 are not deserving. Joey McGuire, head coach of Texas Tech, 154 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,839 Brett yor Mark Big Twelve commissioner, they've openly actually attacked 155 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:20,240 Notre Dame in their resume. It seems like the committee 156 00:08:21,279 --> 00:08:26,160 is purposely leaving out BYU as a candidate to be 157 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,160 in the top ten. And they only show like, for instance, 158 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:35,919 certain images of resumes, and they leave out BYU out 159 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,759 of the conversation completely. And they don't even stack up 160 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:44,279 the resume with the equivalent metrics side by side versus 161 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:48,000 the Miami's, the Notre Dames, the Oklahoma's, the Alabama's, because 162 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,559 that may be a little bit damning putting up put 163 00:08:51,639 --> 00:08:53,879 them up next to like, Oh, people may realize, b 164 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,720 why you may deserve to be in the top ten 165 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,600 right now? Why why is the image having to be 166 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,000 shut photoshopped by fame there in the side by side 167 00:09:02,519 --> 00:09:03,159 side of things. 168 00:09:04,639 --> 00:09:07,919 Speaker 1: Well, I've heard a lot about that, and you know, 169 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,879 I think BYU isn't getting enough conversation. I think they 170 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,360 would deserve to be in the top ten, because you 171 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,360 need to be in the top ten in order to 172 00:09:16,399 --> 00:09:19,039 be in the playoff, as in that large team right now, 173 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,120 because eleven and twelve will be taken by two conference 174 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,600 champions that will be coming in from outside the top twelve. 175 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,159 So right now, the top twelve eleven to twelve or 176 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,720 BYU and Miami, And if the playoff were today, then 177 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,200 both of those teams would be out in favor of 178 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:43,039 either the Sun Belt champ, the American Champ, or the 179 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,759 ACC champ some combination of that, and so by you 180 00:09:46,799 --> 00:09:48,720 would have to be in the top ten. But I 181 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:53,080 think even if BYU loses to Texas Tech for a 182 00:09:53,159 --> 00:09:56,559 second time, as long as the game is relatively competitive, 183 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,799 I think BYU still should be in the top ten 184 00:10:00,159 --> 00:10:03,120 because their only two losses will be to a team 185 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,559 that's in the top four, right and so Notre Dame 186 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,000 can't say that, nobody else can really say that those 187 00:10:10,039 --> 00:10:12,679 would be the two most excusable losses as long as 188 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,360 they're competitive in the second one of anybody. And then 189 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,840 they beat Utah at number thirteen, you know, so I 190 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:21,559 think this is this is where BYU sits right now, 191 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,399 or even with a loss, I think they should be 192 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,399 in the top ten anyway, as long as they were 193 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,039 competitive in that loss. Think SMU losing last year in 194 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:37,080 the ACC Championship game to Clemson, and SMU didn't drop 195 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:40,279 out of the playoff ran. So when you talk about 196 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,559 the well, I'm sorry I space your original question. I 197 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,159 wanted to set that up. You were talking about. 198 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,759 Speaker 3: Just the we were talking more about like the side 199 00:10:50,799 --> 00:10:53,200 by side number one name was there? You go, you 200 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,440 attack on Notre Dame and then the side by side 201 00:10:55,919 --> 00:10:58,840 imagery that it seems like they're avoiding Why they're doing that? 202 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, I hear you. I don't know that 203 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,039 they're avoiding it. I haven't seen I've seen the uproar 204 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:15,600 on you know, the the great missing Missing Where's BYU? 205 00:11:16,039 --> 00:11:19,799 But like one of them that I saw had Miami 206 00:11:20,759 --> 00:11:25,039 and Notre Dame and I think Alabama right, and they 207 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,480 skipped b YU. So that means that they would have 208 00:11:29,519 --> 00:11:34,080 number nine, number ten and then number twelve, and they 209 00:11:34,159 --> 00:11:38,399 skip number eleven, which is BYU. I don't know, because 210 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,720 I didn't see how it was. It was talked about 211 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:43,759 on the air, but as I looked at it, all 212 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,200 three of those teams are two lost teams, and they 213 00:11:46,279 --> 00:11:49,519 may well have been just comparing the two loss teams 214 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,519 with each other. And BYU is a one loss team. 215 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,799 Now I think they should have or not. I don't 216 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,919 say they should have in their show, but I think 217 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,039 it is totally fair to then throw BYU in there 218 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,279 and say, hey, these are two lost teams. BYU is 219 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,279 a one loss team, and their only loss is to 220 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,679 the team that's ranked number four in the nation right now. 221 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,279 None of the other teams ranked ahead of BYU, I 222 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,279 don't believe have a loss to somebody. I think Oklahoma 223 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,799 has lost to Ole Miss, so Ole Miss is number six, 224 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,519 and so you know, but it's kind of rare that 225 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,039 any of these teams have a loss to anybody that's 226 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:29,080 ranked that high. And BYU along with Oklahoma are the 227 00:12:29,159 --> 00:12:33,080 teams up here that have lost their Georgia lost to 228 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,399 number nine Alabama, but BYU lost to number four, right 229 00:12:37,759 --> 00:12:41,039 and that's their only loss. And I think that it 230 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:45,000 would have been fair. Well, but I think it's fair 231 00:12:45,759 --> 00:12:50,279 that that BYU's one loss resume be compared with everybody 232 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,960 that's competing for an that large bid, even if they 233 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,240 lose their conference championship game, And the fact that it 234 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,919 wasn't is something that I find I'll be curious, But 235 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,200 I do understand the process of television, and if they're 236 00:13:04,279 --> 00:13:07,639 comparing like to like and they're comparing two lost teams 237 00:13:08,919 --> 00:13:11,919 and then not including the one loss team, They've got 238 00:13:12,039 --> 00:13:14,519 to draw a line somewhere. And so I'm not justifying it, 239 00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:17,080 but I'm not attacking it either, because I know that, 240 00:13:17,519 --> 00:13:19,720 you know, they don't always do things because they don't 241 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,240 like a certain team. Yeah, no, Look, this is the thing. 242 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 3: Like obviously, I run a local ESPN show that focuses 243 00:13:27,759 --> 00:13:30,879 on Boa athletics. So the questions I get from fans are, hey, 244 00:13:30,919 --> 00:13:33,399 are they leaving us out because of religious bigotry? Again, 245 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,480 are they leaving us out because of some sort of 246 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:43,039 like non football cultural you know, differences, et cetera. Yes, 247 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:45,440 So I'll get those questions, and I've said I don't 248 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,440 think so, I don't think that that's the case. Would 249 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,279 I actually lean on you want to get your thoughts 250 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:50,879 on it, but you can you can chime in on 251 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,320 that and maybe validate, you know, my my assumption and 252 00:13:54,399 --> 00:13:56,600 where I leaned that. But I look at what they 253 00:13:56,639 --> 00:13:58,840 did last year, right with the expanded playoff, and I 254 00:13:58,919 --> 00:14:03,080 think at when the dust settled, the SEC had a 255 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,120 big ripe. They're like, look, the best twelve teams didn't 256 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:09,480 get in because we had a few teams that should 257 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,320 have been in there that were better than Boise State, 258 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:17,200 better than SMU, maybe better than ASU, better than whoever else. 259 00:14:17,279 --> 00:14:18,879 But those are the main ones, right, Those were the 260 00:14:18,919 --> 00:14:23,000 main complaints from the SEC. They're like, we didn't get 261 00:14:23,159 --> 00:14:26,039 enough of our good teams in, and you allowed SMU 262 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:27,639 to go in there and get their teeth kicked in. 263 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,799 They don't want to allow BYU. They feel like SMU 264 00:14:30,879 --> 00:14:33,799 and by you are pretty similar to each other, and 265 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,559 they don't want a BYU team to just get in 266 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,480 off of their resume. I guess it is the resume 267 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,600 valid to get in, but they don't think in late November, 268 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:45,360 the way they're playing that they deserve to be and 269 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,120 they're not the one of the twelve best teams in 270 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:48,960 college football. 271 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: Well in November, BYU says they lost the Texas Tech 272 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,600 has annihilated everybody, and so that's I think, you know, 273 00:14:56,639 --> 00:14:59,279 the way they're playing in late November is as good 274 00:14:59,279 --> 00:15:01,000 as it needs to be in order to be considered 275 00:15:01,039 --> 00:15:03,679 for that large berth that they lose their second game 276 00:15:03,759 --> 00:15:05,000 in that detective think they. 277 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,279 Speaker 3: View that YU similarly to how they view SMU, and 278 00:15:08,399 --> 00:15:10,639 that what happened last year and all the complaints that 279 00:15:10,759 --> 00:15:14,480 occurred after the dust settled and the product in the 280 00:15:14,519 --> 00:15:18,519 College Football Playoff would lead them to believe that the resilient, 281 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:20,960 gritty b YU team can't compete in the playoff. 282 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: No, well, there's one data point that is not available now, 283 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:31,159 and that is the Copper Championship game. I mean, the 284 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,320 thing about SMU is that, you know, they finished number 285 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:40,799 ten after losing to Clemson in the ACC Championship game. 286 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,639 The week before that, they were number eight, and so 287 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,960 the committee said that they were happy about the way 288 00:15:49,679 --> 00:15:52,120 SMU came back, and they had a great second half, 289 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,000 especially a great fourth quarter. They just fell short, but 290 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,600 they looked to the committee like a playoff team. 291 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: But they lost by twenty eight to Penn State, and 292 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,799 then Boise State lost. Big was dominated by Penn State. 293 00:16:05,039 --> 00:16:07,480 They don't want that, it seems no. 294 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: But the thing is they're not supposed to take that 295 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,279 into consideration. They're supposed to look at the teams as 296 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,559 they are right now and rank them as they are 297 00:16:16,679 --> 00:16:19,919 right now, and not speculate who might win on a 298 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,559 neutral field or in a home or away game in 299 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:24,879 the first round or anything like that. They're not supposed 300 00:16:24,919 --> 00:16:27,279 to look at that, and so I hope that they don't. 301 00:16:27,639 --> 00:16:31,399 But I think last year, the fact that SNU only 302 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,399 dropped from eight to ten and still made the playoff 303 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,639 is good for other teams that are trying to get 304 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:41,679 in that large bid that might lose their conference championship game. 305 00:16:42,159 --> 00:16:44,159 I don't think that you should be penalized for losing 306 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,600 it a BYU loses to Texas Tech or the other 307 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:51,000 way around. I think that the winner of the conference 308 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,559 championship game could get credit as a data point in 309 00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:58,360 the committee's final evaluations. The loser of a conference championship 310 00:16:58,399 --> 00:17:00,639 game it should be as if they ever played the 311 00:17:00,679 --> 00:17:03,759 game at all, and they shouldn't be penalized for that. 312 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:07,039 And no team that did not play in the conference 313 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:13,880 championship game should be should get an advantage over a 314 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,799 team that lost a conference championship game. I think that's 315 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,839 really important. The problem for BYU now is that they're 316 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,720 sitting there at number eleven, So how in the world 317 00:17:22,759 --> 00:17:24,759 are they going to move up? I mean, if Alabama 318 00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:28,960 gets completely smoked at number nine in the SEC championship game, 319 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:33,359 then BYU could move up. They've got a problem with 320 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,759 Miami though, behind them, who beat Notre Dame, And the 321 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:38,920 committee's got a problem because they're getting a lot of 322 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,559 grief for having Notre Dame ahead of Miami. Notre Dame 323 00:17:42,599 --> 00:17:44,799 in the playoff right now. Miami out of the playoff 324 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,359 right now, even though Miami beat the Irish had to 325 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,039 head and BYU may end up being a casualty of 326 00:17:50,079 --> 00:17:52,880 the committee trying to reconcile that. But in the meantime, 327 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,640 you know, BYU at number eleven, if they lose to 328 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:02,039 Texas Tech, just the way it stacked, probably won't be 329 00:18:02,319 --> 00:18:08,240 in the playoff even if Alabama loses, And so that's unfortunate, 330 00:18:08,319 --> 00:18:10,720 and that's why I think BYU should be ranked higher 331 00:18:10,759 --> 00:18:12,720 than they are right now. It would put them in 332 00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:15,799 a better position to get in that large bid even 333 00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:18,119 if they lost the Big twelve championship game. And I 334 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,559 think they deserve to be in that position. But the 335 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,920 reality of the current situation, right or wrong, is that 336 00:18:24,079 --> 00:18:26,559 BYU need this win against Texas Tech in order to 337 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:28,480 get in. Yep, no doubt about it. 338 00:18:28,759 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 3: How do you see this game playing out? How do 339 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,680 you what's going to change right in this typical or 340 00:18:35,799 --> 00:18:40,519 this scenario obviously neutral field. I'm hoping it's fifty to fifty. 341 00:18:40,599 --> 00:18:44,640 I think it will be with fans of Tech and 342 00:18:44,839 --> 00:18:48,359 BYU alike. You don't have the elements that were maybe 343 00:18:49,079 --> 00:18:52,640 impactful for against BYU. They didn't play all that well 344 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,440 in those elements with the win, the muff punts, shanked punts, 345 00:18:57,319 --> 00:19:00,880 just the offense was a little bit overly conserving a 346 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,480 lot of Max Pro two man routes. They really didn't 347 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:06,720 let their guys get out in space or not a 348 00:19:06,759 --> 00:19:08,759 whole lot of quick game, not a lot of screen game. 349 00:19:08,839 --> 00:19:10,119 How do you see this game playing out? 350 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:12,759 Speaker 1: Well? I see, I see a lot of adjustments for 351 00:19:12,839 --> 00:19:15,279 BYU's offense. I mean, first of all, the defense was 352 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,839 was borderline magnificent. I mean they didn't get any takeaways, 353 00:19:20,319 --> 00:19:23,160 but other than that, I thought they were great. Texas 354 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,240 Tech only scored two touchdowns on offense, five field goals, 355 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:28,680 and three of those five field goals were when a 356 00:19:28,759 --> 00:19:32,839 BYU turnover gave Tech the ball in the BYU red zone, 357 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,559 and BYU stopped them all three times. And so I 358 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,039 think that's a big part of it. And as you 359 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,279 look at some of the some of the metrics of 360 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,480 it Texas Tech for the season, their red zone touchdown 361 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:49,359 percentage on offenses like in the eighties, and BYU's defense 362 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,839 in stopping touchdowns in the red zone is like tenth 363 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,720 in the nation and so BYU carries that advantage if 364 00:19:56,759 --> 00:19:58,759 they're able to keep it up. So we start there. 365 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:02,799 You know, Tech score twenty nine points against BYU. They 366 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,480 averaged forty three on the season. So you've got to 367 00:20:06,519 --> 00:20:09,119 think that BYU's defense doesn't need to change a whole lot, 368 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,039 just be ready for adjustment. Just the offense that needs 369 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,279 to adjust. And everything that you mentioned then, I think 370 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,000 is important because every defense has a weakness, you just 371 00:20:19,079 --> 00:20:21,440 have to find it. You really need twelve guys on 372 00:20:21,519 --> 00:20:23,759 the field on defense in order to cover everything well, 373 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,440 otherwise you've got a compromise on defense. And I think 374 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,599 one of the things that well, there are a number 375 00:20:29,599 --> 00:20:31,519 of things that BYU can do to adjust. I mean, 376 00:20:31,599 --> 00:20:33,759 one of the things that Texas Tech did was they 377 00:20:33,839 --> 00:20:36,920 played a lot of zone and they came flying downhill 378 00:20:37,079 --> 00:20:40,839 against the runner, against the short passes, and that exposes 379 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,039 them a little bit farther downfield, right, And I think 380 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:48,799 that they also packed in the defense in terms of 381 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,160 interior run. You know, they had a couple of linebackers 382 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,160 that almost acted like spies, although I think they were 383 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,920 just in zone coverage, but they just played up and close. Well, 384 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,559 guess what that does. That creates more space on the outside. 385 00:21:00,839 --> 00:21:05,759 They squeezed the contain guys down inside against the run, 386 00:21:05,839 --> 00:21:08,359 and you can exploit outside if you can get there, 387 00:21:08,759 --> 00:21:10,759 and if you can get blockers out in front. Because 388 00:21:10,839 --> 00:21:12,799 Texas Tech is so fast, you're not going to just 389 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,720 outrun them all the time to get to the perimeter. 390 00:21:14,799 --> 00:21:17,279 But BHYU puts blockers out there all the time. One 391 00:21:17,279 --> 00:21:20,920 of the ways is what you mentioned gets offensive linemen 392 00:21:21,079 --> 00:21:25,960 out there on screens. But I think counters will be important. 393 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,519 In other words, you know, b why you needs to 394 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,519 run screens and let's say just the bubble screen. Well, 395 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:36,279 in the first game, Texas Tech attack those downhill fast 396 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,000 and hard. Well, so what do you do with that, 397 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,279 you run a fake bubble and a go route. One 398 00:21:40,319 --> 00:21:42,960 of the blocking receivers starts to block that, he takes 399 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,079 off down the field. That'll loosen up those guys pretty quick, right. 400 00:21:47,519 --> 00:21:50,720 And also just in terms of execution, there's the number 401 00:21:50,759 --> 00:21:53,000 of things that Bear can do better that he can 402 00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:55,119 do that we know he can do. You know, one 403 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,279 of them is to hit those one on one routes 404 00:21:57,559 --> 00:21:59,200 up the sideline. He had one, i think at the 405 00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:02,480 third quarter where Chase Roberts was running a vertical route 406 00:22:02,519 --> 00:22:04,759 on the right sideline and he left a big alley 407 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,160 between himself and the sideline and the defender was right 408 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,160 inside of him in man coverage or match his own. 409 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,000 Either way, it was manned by the time they got 410 00:22:13,079 --> 00:22:16,440 down there, and Bear threw the ball up and on 411 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,680 top of the two guys and it was broken up. Well, 412 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,119 if you'd thrown that ball a little bit farther outside 413 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,200 and locked it and dropped it down into the alley, 414 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,720 then Chase adjusts into the alley away from the defender, 415 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,519 catches the ball, and for all the great speed and 416 00:22:32,599 --> 00:22:36,759 everything else that Texas Tech's defense has up front, you've 417 00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:39,079 got a one on one matchup on the outside where 418 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,720 you've got a tall YU receiver at a quarterback that's 419 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:44,000 good at dropping those balls accurately. He just didn't on 420 00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:46,400 that play, and so I think they'll you'll see more 421 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,880 of that opportunity when Texas Tech comes up and tries 422 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,359 to gum everything up at the line and BYU just 423 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,599 needs to execute. But those opportunities are there, and I 424 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,519 think that they'll they'll attack more in places like that 425 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,319 and have more counters so they could take advantage of 426 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,480 the aggression of the Red Raider defense. 427 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,839 Speaker 3: Last thing before I let you go, Trevor, appreciate you 428 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,079 spending some time with us, pontificating and giving us wisdom, 429 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,079 football wisdom that only you can give. Kilane signed man. 430 00:23:16,279 --> 00:23:20,640 He's extended. We're hoping he is the Polynesian level. He's 431 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,240 been here for ten years. We hope it's another ten 432 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,720 to fifteen more years, right. I don't know how I'm 433 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,799 trying to think of how old Lavell was. Was he 434 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,039 seventy before he retired or was he in that sixty 435 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,000 five range. Do you recall when he retired? 436 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,799 Speaker 1: I don't recall, but he was there long enough to 437 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:37,799 have been there a long. 438 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 3: Time, almost thirty years he was there coaching the Kougs. 439 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,720 So what does the future look like for BYU? Do 440 00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:47,200 you think are they like, what's the ceiling and what's 441 00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:50,640 the floor of BYU football? Do you think with all 442 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,640 the momentum that they have right now from your perspective. 443 00:23:54,039 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, first of all, with coach O'take resigning, I 444 00:23:57,319 --> 00:24:00,480 think that's brilliant. I mean, there's not that many people 445 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,759 that qualify to be a head coach at b YU, 446 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,759 and the way his personality is in his style of 447 00:24:05,839 --> 00:24:09,839 mentoring appeals to the kind of player that's attracted to BYU, 448 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,880 and those players respond to his style. And I think 449 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,000 he's a good combination of Lavell, who is quiet, and 450 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,680 then himself who's firing, and he's got both of those 451 00:24:21,759 --> 00:24:23,839 and I think the players love it. I think he's 452 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,160 as good a fit, as perfect a fit of coach 453 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,599 to university as I can never remember seeing. So I 454 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,079 think it's good for both sides. And I think that 455 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,960 where they stand now is with the possibility of Klonie 456 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,400 Stake doing what you said, being having a career similar 457 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,759 to Lavell, and that he's there for several decades. And 458 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,599 if he does that, I think he'll win a lot 459 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,960 of games, the program will be very good, but he'll 460 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,119 have a chance, like Lavell, to really impact a lot 461 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,400 of lives. And you know, you talk about value and price, 462 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,880 those are two different things. So I'm glad that they 463 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,400 were able to come together on that combination of value 464 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,279 and price in order in terms of contract in order 465 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:10,200 to keep him there. But overall, I think the ceiling 466 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,759 is as high as it was with Lavell. You know, 467 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:18,160 I mean, have a consistently outstanding, nationally relevant program, and 468 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,200 when you're healthy and you have a great quarterback, then 469 00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:24,240 make a run for the top of college football. And 470 00:25:24,599 --> 00:25:28,400 Lavelle got there once and he was relevant most of 471 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,680 the time, and I think that's what they can do. 472 00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:35,519 I can see down the road as long as coach 473 00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:39,839 Satake and the administration remained aligned in their vision for 474 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,920 where the program needs to go and how to support it, 475 00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:43,960 because there's a lot that has to stay alike in 476 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:46,799 order for him to be there for a decade or 477 00:25:46,839 --> 00:25:51,920 two more. But I can envision Kilani Satake field at 478 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,119 Lavell Edwards Stadium. I think he has the ability to 479 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,759 have that kind of an impact on this program, and 480 00:25:57,839 --> 00:25:59,759 I would love to see it, and I'm glad they're 481 00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:02,319 staying in the course so that it has a chance 482 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:02,759 to happen. 483 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 3: Love it, Trevor. Best way to support you. What you do, 484 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,400 how you do it for all of our listeners, brother. 485 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: Uh well on X at team MATTACH M A T 486 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,640 I c H. I took a bit of a hiatus, 487 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,720 but I'm back on it now and looking forward to 488 00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:21,519 talking about what's going on here with the rest of 489 00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:23,000 the College Football Championships. 490 00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 3: Yes, you're gonna be Are you going to be live 491 00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:28,240 on Saturday covering it all? What's the schedule for you 492 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,480 there at ESPN. 493 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: On Saturday, No, because there's there's not enough games. But 494 00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:38,480 on Sunday, I'll be on the ESPN Radio Selection Show, 495 00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:41,640 So that's noon Eastern, and we'll be talking about what 496 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:44,920 happened to BYU and whether it was reasonable or whether 497 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,880 it was totally wrong. So we will be talking about 498 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,480 b YU then. So for all the people who are 499 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,440 dissatisfied with the amount of attention to the Cougars in 500 00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:57,480 this process, there will be plenty of attention on Sunday. 501 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 3: All right, appreciate you, Trevor. Thanks for hopping on today. 502 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,119 I was a blessing. I was a pleasure talking. 503 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,599 Speaker 1: Ball with you. Appreciate the bad Thank you. There you go. 504 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 3: That's Trevor Maddich, Ladies and gentlemen, And that segment was 505 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,920 brought to you by a little keeping up with the 506 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,640 Googer's brought to you by Odion Men'swear. Odion Men'swear dot Com. 507 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,200 Look your best, fill your best, uh, and get out 508 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,960 there and do your best. 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Uh and UH, 516 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,440 I want you to chime in on my poll today. 517 00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:44,839 Which group, like you know, like there's a lot of 518 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,119 haters out there, there's a lot of disrespect out there. 519 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,960 I'm not a I'm not a full blown maybe conspiracy 520 00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:52,640 theorist on everything, but I had become more for conspiracy 521 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,599 theorists twenty twenty. Uh, which group most wants b YU 522 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,839 football pushed into irrelevance. Number one, you tough fan base, 523 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,720 most definitely, they want to see it all crumble. Number 524 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,720 two the self righteous segment of the LDS Latterday Saints 525 00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:11,480 ry Mormons who think major athletics are are not to 526 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:13,519 be invested in. You can't put any money into it, 527 00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:15,319 it's a waste of time. Does not build up the kingdom, 528 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,519 the colleg football establishment, the colle football Playoff comtee, the 529 00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:21,599 blue bloods of the media networks, those that are protecting 530 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,839 the old order, the good old boys club. They don't 531 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,599 want any of this new money, any of this new 532 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,880 found success to get in and infiltrate their college football cabal, 533 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,599 the monopoly, the oligopoly. And then you just have the 534 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,640 general anti BOU, anti LDS haters. Which one is winning 535 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,359 this poll, it's actually number three. Everyone's out to get 536 00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:44,359 the colle Football Playoff Committee and the college football cabal 537 00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:47,680 right now. They don't want anything to do with BYU. 538 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,960 Apparently that's what the kugarnation is film. But number two 539 00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:55,000 is the Utah fanbase coming in with thirty seven percent 540 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,519 of the votes, by the way, so little poll of 541 00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:01,720 the day, and that's brought to you by Premo Golf 542 00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:05,279 Apparel Premo golf Apparel dot com. If you're looking to 543 00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:08,319 golf your best while looking your best, we got the 544 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,920 holidays season. 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