Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
Speaker 1: where he left off with the Leslie Groff interview with Congress. Question,
Speaker 1: I'd like to ask some questions about the period of
Speaker 1: time that mister Epstein was incarcerated. Mister Buckner jumps in,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, first time or a second time? Question? First time?
Speaker 1: Thank you, backner, You're welcome. Question. Were you aware of
Speaker 1: him video calling women while he was incarcerated? Answer no question.
Speaker 1: Do you know at what point you learned that he
Speaker 1: was video calling women when he was incarcerated? Answer it
Speaker 1: was after Sarah Kelln's testimony. Question, so, as you know,
Speaker 1: during his incarceration at the pom Beach Stockade, mister Epstein
Speaker 1: secured a work release that allowed him to leave the
Speaker 1: stockade for up to twelve hours a day, six days
Speaker 1: a week, ostensibly to work at the office of the
Speaker 1: Florida Science Foundation in pomp Beach. Did you have any
Speaker 1: role in securing mister Epstein work release while he was incarcerated?
Speaker 1: Answer no question. What about the Florida Science Foundation Answer
Speaker 1: no question. Do you know what the Florida Science Foundation was?
Speaker 1: Answer I do not. Question do you know who was
Speaker 1: involved with the creation of the Florida Science Foundation? Answer no.
Speaker 1: Question did you ever visit the Florida Science Foundation office
Speaker 1: in Palm Beach? Answer I did twice. Question when was that?
Speaker 1: Answer it was during whatever, sometime in two thousand and eight, nine,
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight probably. Question So one visit was
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight and one was in two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine, or you can't remember. Answer I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly when they were, but it was
Speaker 1: obviously when you know he had his work release. Question sure,
Speaker 1: do you have any sense of time of the year? Maybe?
Speaker 1: Answer it was Florida, it was nice out. I really
Speaker 1: I don't recall. Question what was the purpose of those visits? Answer?
Speaker 1: It was tel of coordinate a list of scientists, make
Speaker 1: phone calls, we set up in a appointment. I set
Speaker 1: up appointments, you know, just basic administrative things. Question why
Speaker 1: did you need to visit the office to do those things? Answer?
Speaker 1: I think he just wanted assemblance of normalcy. I don't know.
Speaker 1: He didn't tell me why I ordered some office supplies,
Speaker 1: you know, it was just mundane. Question were there young
Speaker 1: women who worked in the Florida Science Foundation's office. I
Speaker 1: don't know who was employed there. Answer his traveling assistant,
Speaker 1: Sarah was there. Question do you remember any other young
Speaker 1: women there? Answer? I believe she's the only one traveling
Speaker 1: assistant I saw, yes. Question did you ever organize or
Speaker 1: schedule anyone to visit mister Epstein at the Florida Science
Speaker 1: Foundation office? Answer yes, Marvin Minsky and his wife Gloria.
Speaker 1: They came and visited him. Darre Torres came one day.
Speaker 1: His attorneys would come in a lot. I know that story.
Speaker 1: Cowls was there the paralegal question could you say that
Speaker 1: name again? Please? It's Cowls. Cowls. I'm trying to remember
Speaker 1: who else. I mean, I definitely know the attorneys. I
Speaker 1: saw his pilot come in, Larry Vasoski igor his security
Speaker 1: guard and workout instructor. Question did you ever see or
Speaker 1: were you ever aware of any minor girls or young
Speaker 1: women visiting in the office not young women who work
Speaker 1: for him? Answer no. Question were you ever aware of
Speaker 1: any allegations that mister Epstein had sexually abused girls or
Speaker 1: women at the Florida Science Foundation office? Answer not until
Speaker 1: we were preparing for this testimony and yet things came out.
Speaker 1: Question did you have any knowledge of just day visiting
Speaker 1: mister Epstein while he was on work release? Answer I
Speaker 1: don't recall that question, Okay. At any point between two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight and twenty nineteen, were you aware of
Speaker 1: other investigations into mister Epstein? Answer no question. So you
Speaker 1: were never contacted by law enforcement during that period, answer
Speaker 1: no question. On July eighteenth, twenty nineteen, Vetereral prosecutors with
Speaker 1: the SDNY provided your attorneys with a reverse profer in
Speaker 1: a tempt to get you to meet with them for
Speaker 1: a profit to explain your role in mister Epstein's operation.
Speaker 1: Do you remember if you ended up meeting with the
Speaker 1: federal prosecutors answer I did? Rite yes, Yes, I did. Yes.
Speaker 1: Question and were you ever contacted by law enforcement as
Speaker 1: part of the investigation into Miss Maxwell? Answer no question.
Speaker 1: Did you ever set up bank accounts for any minor
Speaker 1: girls or young women associated with mister Epstein? Answer no question.
Speaker 1: You talked earlier about the apartment at three oh one
Speaker 1: E sixty sixth Street, might have just a few clarifying
Speaker 1: questions for you. Is it correct that mister Epstein had
Speaker 1: access to ten apartments in that building. Answer that sounds correct.
Speaker 1: That he had ten apartments. Yeah. Question and two of
Speaker 1: them were used as office spaces. Answer prior to that
Speaker 1: time period? Uh huh. Question for the time period that
Speaker 1: answer of two thousand and eight to eleven or ten.
Speaker 1: Question outside of that time period? Were those two offices?
Speaker 1: Excuse me me? Were those two apartments used similarly to
Speaker 1: the other apartments and that sometimes people would stay in them? Answer? Yes?
Speaker 1: Question and you talked about this earlier, but you said
Speaker 1: you were not sure that mister Ebstein. You're not sure
Speaker 1: whether mister Ebstein owned those apartments? Is that right? Answer?
Speaker 1: I thought at the time that he owned them, but
Speaker 1: that was just my assumption. I didn't speak to him
Speaker 1: about it. Question did you have any knowledge of his
Speaker 1: brother Mark owning any of those apartments? Answer? I did not.
Speaker 1: Question what about of his brother owning the building? Answer?
Speaker 1: I didn't know that he owned the building. Question and
Speaker 1: you spoke some about the difference between people who stayed
Speaker 1: in these apartments. Were some of those people working as
Speaker 1: models for MC squared model management? Answer? I believe redacted
Speaker 1: was a model with mc squared. Question any others? Answer
Speaker 1: not that I know of. Question do you know her
Speaker 1: last name. Answer redacted. Question It's been discussed a little
Speaker 1: bit in previous hours, but we have a few more
Speaker 1: questions about Bill Gates. Do you know Bill Gates and
Speaker 1: if he's ever flown on mister Epstein's plane? Answer I
Speaker 1: don't know. Question you don't know? Answer I don't know.
Speaker 1: Question do you know if mister Epstein ever flew on
Speaker 1: a plane owned by mister Gates? Answer I don't know.
Speaker 1: Question do you know if mister Epstein ever introduced any
Speaker 1: minor girls or young women to mister Gates? Answer no,
Speaker 1: question I'd like to introduce as minority. Exhibit one an
Speaker 1: email from February twenty seventh, twenty thirteen, which you sent
Speaker 1: to mister Epstein. The Bates number is EFTA zero two
Speaker 1: seven two zero five four six. Question. So the email
Speaker 1: says that redacted this is in the twelve twenty PM
Speaker 1: is arriving in New York and instructs Jojo to pick
Speaker 1: her up. Is that Jojo Fontania? Answer yes? Question okay,
Speaker 1: so who is misretacted? Answer I don't know. Question you
Speaker 1: don't know? Now did you know at the time? Answer
Speaker 1: I don't know now or back then? Question okay, did
Speaker 1: you know anything about her relationship with mister Epstein. Answer
Speaker 1: no question. Did you know anything about why she was
Speaker 1: traveling to New York? Answer no question. Do you know
Speaker 1: who paid for the trip to New York? Answer? I
Speaker 1: do not. Question. So, the email directs mister Fontania to
Speaker 1: drive her either to quote apartment or to meet mister
Speaker 1: Epstein at the Four Seasons at two pm? Is apartment
Speaker 1: apt and is that four three oh one E sixty
Speaker 1: sixth Street. Answer That's what I would think, yes. Question okay.
Speaker 1: These emails also state that mister Epstein's schedule to meet
Speaker 1: with mister Gates at the Four Seasons at two pm.
Speaker 1: Was it your understanding that mister Epstein intended to introduce
Speaker 1: mister Dactid to mister Gates. Answer I don't recall this
Speaker 1: at all. That would make sense to me, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. Question. Were there any other instances in which,
Speaker 1: when you say that would make sense? Is that because
Speaker 1: there were other instances in which mister Epstein introduced young
Speaker 1: women to mister Gates? Answer? No, it would make sense
Speaker 1: to me because it says that to take them to
Speaker 1: the Four Seasons, and I see that Bill Gates has
Speaker 1: an appointment at two question okay. And do you know
Speaker 1: whether mister Epstein did end up introducing mister Dacted to
Speaker 1: mister Gates. Answer I don't know. Question okay. And do
Speaker 1: you know why there was a ten to fifteen pm
Speaker 1: appointment with mister Gates on the same day with mister Epstein.
Speaker 1: Answer I don't know. Question Did mister Epstein frequently meet
Speaker 1: with business associates and professional contacts that late at night?
Speaker 1: Answer it's not common, but it's not unheard of either,
Speaker 1: I would think. Question And do you know why the
Speaker 1: meetings would take place that late at night? Answer? I
Speaker 1: don't know why. Question okay. Do you know when the
Speaker 1: relationship between mister Epstein and mister Gates ended? Answer it ended.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Question okay, you weren't aware that it
Speaker 1: ended at any particular point? Answer correct yes, question okay,
Speaker 1: And then switching gears a little bit for the following individuals.
Speaker 1: Were you ever aware of mister Epstein having business relationships
Speaker 1: with them? The first person is Sultan Ahmed bin Sulium.
Speaker 1: Answer I know that they knew each other, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the relationship was. Question okay. Howard Lutnick, who
Speaker 1: is now Secretary of Commerce, Answer I know that they
Speaker 1: knew each other, they were neighbors. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the relationship was. Question okay. Then Paolo Zampoli, I believe
Speaker 1: you earlier testified you didn't know who he was. Answer No,
Speaker 1: the name does not sound familiar. Question okay. And then
Speaker 1: a few more questions about additional people in mister Epstein's network.
Speaker 1: Can you describe who the following individuals your understanding of
Speaker 1: mister Epstein's relationship with them? The first one is Robert F.
Speaker 1: Kennedy Junior, who is now Secretary of Health and Human Services. Answer,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wouldn't know that they communicated. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Question you didn't know that they had a relationship.
Speaker 1: Answer that's correct. Question okay. Steve Bannon Answer Steve Bannon,
Speaker 1: he had a relationship with I don't know what it was,
Speaker 1: but he would come to the house and he definitely
Speaker 1: spoke to him on the phone. Question okay. And I
Speaker 1: believe you testified earlier that you arranged a gift of
Speaker 1: an Apple watch from mister Epstein to mister Bannon. Is
Speaker 1: that correct? Answer? He was on the list. Yes. Question
Speaker 1: and were there any other times when you were involved
Speaker 1: in gifts from mister Epstein to mister Bannon. Answer no
Speaker 1: question okay. The next question is about Leon Botstein, who
Speaker 1: was the president of Bard College. Answer, I think there
Speaker 1: were friends. Leon would come to the house and they'd
Speaker 1: have lunch. I know mister Epstein also went out and
Speaker 1: saw mister Botstein as well. Question at Bard College answer yes,
Speaker 1: question okay. Noam Chomsky answer that was a friend of
Speaker 1: his as well. I don't know what the relationship was,
Speaker 1: but he definitely would get together with Noam and Lolam's
Speaker 1: wife who I can't remember her name. A question Michael Wolf.
Speaker 1: Answer Michael Wolf, Yes they had a relationship. There were friends, okay.
Speaker 1: And were you aware of any professional relationship between mister
Speaker 1: Epstein and mister Wolf. Answer no question okay. And Sarah
Speaker 1: Ferguson the Duchess of York answer Duchess of York, Yes
Speaker 1: there were friends also question okay. And Peter Mandelsson, I
Speaker 1: think you discussed earlier. Answer yes there were friends. Question
Speaker 1: were you ever aware of any monetary gifts from mister
Speaker 1: Epstein to the Duchess of York? Answer monetary gifts? Question yeah,
Speaker 1: answer not that I recall. Question okay, And what about
Speaker 1: mister Mandelsson. Answer not that I know of All right, folks,
Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next
Speaker 1: episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where
Speaker 1: we left off. All the information that goes with this
Speaker 1: episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
Speaker 1: this episode, we're gonna dive right back into the Leslie
Speaker 1: Groff interview with Congress. Question Okay, you spoke earlier about
Speaker 1: some elements of your relationship with mister Epstein's estate. I
Speaker 1: just want to get some clarity for the record on
Speaker 1: the nature of that. You mentioned that mister Epstein had
Speaker 1: a fund set up to pay attorney fees, but that
Speaker 1: ended when he died. Is that accurate? Answer? Yes, that's accurate.
Speaker 1: Question okay. How long was the fund in existence? Answer? Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Question okay. Answer. I only found out
Speaker 1: about it when I needed money to hire an attorney.
Speaker 1: Question and when did that happen? Answer in July of
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, probably question after he was arrested. Answer yes,
Speaker 1: question okay, And do you know was that fund available
Speaker 1: to anyone in mister Epstein's staff? What was the category
Speaker 1: of people who were eligible to receive money. Answer, I
Speaker 1: really don't know. I believe it was staff, but I
Speaker 1: don't know if there were other people involved or on
Speaker 1: that plan as well. Question Okay, how did you become
Speaker 1: aware of the existence of that fund? Answer my attorneys?
Speaker 1: Question your attorneys became aware of that answer correct question okay.
Speaker 1: And is it the case that after his death, your
Speaker 1: attorne needs would submit invoices to the estate. Is that
Speaker 1: what you testified earlier? Answer correct question according to the
Speaker 1: same terms of the fund that had existed before. Answer
Speaker 1: that had existed before. I didn't know about the fund.
Speaker 1: Question I mean the fund before he died. Answer, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: before he died. Yes, they would submit the invoices. Question
Speaker 1: to the estate. Answer to the estate. Question. So, other
Speaker 1: than those attorney fee reimbursements and the settlement as a
Speaker 1: result of the claim against the estate, have you received
Speaker 1: any money from mister Epstein's estate? Answer other than the
Speaker 1: one we already discussed question correct answer, no question. And
Speaker 1: are you entitled to any compensation from that estate in
Speaker 1: your understanding? Answer? No question? Okay. Do you currently hold
Speaker 1: any interest or stake in mister Epstein's estate? Answer no, question,
Speaker 1: and have you had any contact with mister Epstein's estate
Speaker 1: administrators or their representatives since mister Epstein's death? Answer no question. Okay,
Speaker 1: did you have any contact with Darren Endyke or Richard
Speaker 1: Kahn in the preparation for their depositions before the committee
Speaker 1: or your interview before the committee? Answer no question. When's
Speaker 1: the last time that you spoke with them? If you
Speaker 1: recall Ms. Groff, it would be when he went to jail.
Speaker 1: Mister Epstein went to jail, probably right after that question.
Speaker 1: Do you recall the context of that discussion? Groff? I
Speaker 1: think everybody was surprised and worried, but I don't recall
Speaker 1: anything offhand. Question. I've got a few questions about arranged marriages.
Speaker 1: We know that mister Epstein arranged marriages between American women
Speaker 1: that he sexually abused and foreign women who are trying
Speaker 1: to stay in the country. Did you ever have any
Speaker 1: role in arranging marriages between women connected to mister Epstein? Ms? Groff, no, Backner,
Speaker 1: Can I have one second when you say anything to
Speaker 1: do with you? Can? Can you just explain? Groff? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do know that there's an email that exists. I
Speaker 1: directed excuse me, I didn't direct. Mister Epstein directed me
Speaker 1: to have as driver Jojo, pick up redacted and are
Speaker 1: adacted person and go to the marriage place or whatever.
Speaker 1: But no one ever spoke to me about it. I
Speaker 1: didn't really know what was going on. It really wasn't
Speaker 1: until after he went to jail that it came to
Speaker 1: light to me. Question, got it so, at the time,
Speaker 1: you were not aware of mister Epstein arranging marriages between
Speaker 1: women connected to him? Correct answer, That is correct question.
Speaker 1: But you're aware of him doing it now? Answer now,
Speaker 1: I am yes. Question. Did you ever provide false information
Speaker 1: to substantiate a marriage between women connected to mister Epstein?
Speaker 1: Answer no question. Did you ever have knowledge of anyone
Speaker 1: else providing information excuse me, providing false information to substantiate
Speaker 1: a marriage between women connected to mister Epstein? Answer no question.
Speaker 1: You've been asked a few times about the hairdresser Frederick Focai.
Speaker 1: I believe you said you're not aware of mister Epstein
Speaker 1: ever introducing minor girls or young women to him for
Speaker 1: the purpose of an engaging in sexual activity. Correct answer, yes,
Speaker 1: correct question, And also that you are not otherwise aware
Speaker 1: of sexual abuse allegations against mister Focai. Correct answer correct,
Speaker 1: mister Bockner, you mean at the time as well? Right
Speaker 1: back then correct answer or question correct? Thank you, mister Bockner.
Speaker 1: Majority Exhibit Jay was Mark for identification. I'd like to
Speaker 1: introduce as minority Exhibit Jay this email from you to
Speaker 1: mister Epstein from November eighteenth, twenty ten. The subject line
Speaker 1: is Frederick Fokai. The Bates number is EFTA zero two
Speaker 1: four one four three seven eight. Question in the email,
Speaker 1: you say quote Frederick Fokai just texted me asking if
Speaker 1: he could use the massage room today at ten am
Speaker 1: with his messuse Do you remember this email at all? Answer?
Speaker 1: I do not. Question. Is this something that mister Focai
Speaker 1: would do generally, ask to use the massage room? Answer
Speaker 1: this is like seeing it for the first time. I
Speaker 1: don't recall mister Fay asking to use the massage room.
Speaker 1: Question sure, But separate from the email, do you have
Speaker 1: any other memory of mister Fokai asking to do this generally?
Speaker 1: Answer no. Question. Is this something that any of the
Speaker 1: other men in mister Epstein's network would ask to do
Speaker 1: to use the massage room? Answer no. Question. Have you
Speaker 1: had any contact with Glenn Maxwell between mister Epstein's death
Speaker 1: and her arrest, Graff, no question. And since miss Maxwell's arrest,
Speaker 1: have you had any contact with her or any of
Speaker 1: her representatives? Graff, no question. Okay, miss Groff, you said
Speaker 1: something during your opening statement that I'd like to ask
Speaker 1: you about. You said that the massages that you scheduled
Speaker 1: were I think I got this down verbatim. I might
Speaker 1: be off by a word or two quote, just another
Speaker 1: small part of the elite world I was not from.
Speaker 1: We have asked you a lot of questions about massages.
Speaker 1: Our counterparts have asked you a lot of questions about massages.
Speaker 1: I want to be clear that your testimony is that
Speaker 1: no point in the eighteen years that you work for
Speaker 1: him that you thought that it was strange that he
Speaker 1: had girls and young women coming over to massage them. Correct,
Speaker 1: mister Whitcomb, objection forum girls. She never really well, continue, Backner.
Speaker 1: Do you mean girls miners or do you mean girls? Witcomb?
Speaker 1: That's what I meant. Question. Let's just say young women
Speaker 1: for now. Backner. Okay, Groff, No, I did not know
Speaker 1: mister Epstein had miners coming over to give him a massage. Question.
Speaker 1: Let's just say young women. Your testimony, Is that at
Speaker 1: no point in the eighteen years that you work for
Speaker 1: him that you thought it was strange that he had
Speaker 1: all these young women come in massage. Answer, well, that
Speaker 1: was only from the beginning two thousand and one to
Speaker 1: when he went to jail. I didn't know the rages
Speaker 1: at all. It was a normal part of his day.
Speaker 1: To me, it was like a luxury. I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: that somebody would pay for you know, do that you
Speaker 1: know every day? That was a luxury you did once
Speaker 1: a year. Question do you think that these women were
Speaker 1: professional messuses? You've used that term a lot. You used
Speaker 1: it in your opening statement, you used it throughout your testimony.
Speaker 1: Did you think that these were professional messuses? Answer? I
Speaker 1: believe that was what they wanted to do. That was
Speaker 1: part of something that they did. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that was their career, but question it was what they
Speaker 1: wanted to do or it's what they did. Answer. I
Speaker 1: had sometimes people call me and ask if mister Epstein
Speaker 1: was in town could have a massage. Question So you
Speaker 1: believe that these young women were professional messuses? Answer? I
Speaker 1: never met these women, so I didn't know if they
Speaker 1: were young or how old they were. First of all,
Speaker 1: I thought that it was just something that he did,
Speaker 1: like going to the gym. Questions, So you didn't have
Speaker 1: a belief either way that they were professional messuses or
Speaker 1: were not professional messuses. Answer well, when you say professional
Speaker 1: like working for a company. Question working for a company
Speaker 1: or having gone through the requisite training and having whatever
Speaker 1: license and certification is needed to be a massage therapist
Speaker 1: in the state of New York. Answer right, I didn't
Speaker 1: ask questions. The name and phone number was given to me.
Speaker 1: I assume that they were a messuse. Question You were
Speaker 1: unaware that mister Epstein was exceptionally wealthy? Correct or you
Speaker 1: were aware? Excuse me? Answer yes, question, so he could
Speaker 1: have afforded the best messuse in New York correct answer, sure, question,
Speaker 1: but instead he had dozens, at least from your perspective,
Speaker 1: of young women, oftentimes different young women massaging them, and
Speaker 1: that didn't seem abnormal to you. Backner, Just point of clarification.
Speaker 1: She said she didn't know how old they were. But
Speaker 1: other than that, go ahead, graff. Yeah, it did not
Speaker 1: seem odd to me. When I was hired, it was
Speaker 1: I was told this was just something that he does,
Speaker 1: and everybody treated it like it was no big deal,
Speaker 1: and I was just told that to keep his calendar
Speaker 1: and schedule his appointments. So question, So to mister Backner's
Speaker 1: clarification that you did not know how old they were,
Speaker 1: you did call these young women. Correct answer, I would
Speaker 1: call and make appointments. Yes. Question Ms Groff, do you
Speaker 1: think that a fourteen year old sounds the same as
Speaker 1: a person in their twenties or thirties or forties. Answer
Speaker 1: It's possible. I don't know. I was not evaluating voices.
Speaker 1: Nobody ever sounded like they were underage. Question Okay, we
Speaker 1: have a couple more questions about mister Epstein's relationship with
Speaker 1: Elon Musk. Were you aware of Epstein having a relationship
Speaker 1: with Elon Musk? Answer? I am aware. No, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm aware that he went and saw SpaceX. At the time,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what SpaceX was, so I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know about a relationship with Elon Musk. Question So,
Speaker 1: you were aware at the time of mister Epstein's visit
Speaker 1: to SpaceX, but not of any relationship between the two
Speaker 1: of them beyond that answer? Correct question Okay, were you
Speaker 1: aware of mister Musk ever requesting to visit any of
Speaker 1: mister Epstein's properties. Answer no. Question okay, and so also,
Speaker 1: were you aware of mister Musk ever actually visiting any
Speaker 1: of mister Epstein's properties? Answer no. Question was it just
Speaker 1: one visit to SpaceX? Answer yes? Question when did that
Speaker 1: take place? Answer? I don't know twenty fourteen? Question okay,
Speaker 1: And do you remember or are thereabouts twenty fourteen? Backner?
Speaker 1: Don't guess groth, okay, don't guess. I don't backner. Does
Speaker 1: anybody help groth? I don't know. I really don't know.
Speaker 1: Question are you or do you remember whether anybody accompanied
Speaker 1: mister Epstein on his visit to SpaceX? Answer? I believe
Speaker 1: some of his traveling assistants went with them. They always
Speaker 1: went with them. Question okay, answer, but I don't know who.
Speaker 1: Question do you know which of the traveling assistants? Answer right?
Speaker 1: Question okay, thank you. Question. I'd like to take a
Speaker 1: few minutes to ask you some kind of summarizing questions
Speaker 1: to make sure that the record is clear about your
Speaker 1: testimony today. During the time that you work for mister Epstein,
Speaker 1: were you ever aware of mister Epstein's sexually abusing minor
Speaker 1: girls or young women? Answer no, question. During the time
Speaker 1: that you work for mister Epstein, were you aware of
Speaker 1: mister Epstein introducing minor roles or young women to other
Speaker 1: men for the purpose of engaging in sexual activity with
Speaker 1: those men? Answer no question. During the time that you
Speaker 1: worked for mister Epstein, were you ever aware of mister
Speaker 1: Epstein transporting minor girls or young women for the purpose
Speaker 1: of engaging in sexual activity with them? Answer no question.
Speaker 1: During the time that you worked for mister Epstein, were
Speaker 1: you ever aware of mister Epstein transporting minor girls or
Speaker 1: young women for the purpose of engaging in sexual activity
Speaker 1: with them? Answer no question. You worked for mister Epstein
Speaker 1: for twenty years, some very long hours correct answer It
Speaker 1: could have been. If it was long hours, it was
Speaker 1: working from home and being flexible, So I really appreciated
Speaker 1: that flexibility. Question What hours did you work? Growth what
Speaker 1: hours did I work? It started at nine to five? Question?
Speaker 1: I understand that we talked about that earlier. Answer yeah.
Speaker 1: Question My point is, or my question rather, is it
Speaker 1: fair to say that during those twenty years you put
Speaker 1: a significant amount of time working for that man nine
Speaker 1: to five? But also I believe you said once he
Speaker 1: had a smartphone, it was nearly twenty four to seven.
Speaker 1: Answer Yes, he would contact me. Question okay, answer he
Speaker 1: had no boundaries. Question thank you, And you worked with
Speaker 1: him at his office at four fifty seven Medisine and
Speaker 1: then you work with him at his home at ninety
Speaker 1: seventy first Street. Correct answer, yes, question so it's fair
Speaker 1: to say that you had the kind of exposure to
Speaker 1: a knowledge of mister Epstein in his operation that almost
Speaker 1: no one else had. Correct answer. I really don't agree
Speaker 1: with that. I was making appointments for him. He didn't
Speaker 1: talk to me, We didn't have discussions. I didn't sit
Speaker 1: in meetings with them. Question. But it's your job not
Speaker 1: to just know his likes and preferences, but to anticipate them.
Speaker 1: You don't think that there's his trust and intimacy in
Speaker 1: that answer. There was no intimacy. He would always give
Speaker 1: me the directions of what he wanted to happen, make
Speaker 1: these appointments. He really did keep me on the outside,
Speaker 1: and he did that on purpose. I think he specifically
Speaker 1: wanted to keep me at arm's length, if not more. Question,
Speaker 1: but he trusted you with information that he did not
Speaker 1: trust other people with correct answer, I suppose question, and
Speaker 1: that was part of your value to him. That's why
Speaker 1: he bought you a Mercedes Benz and paid for a
Speaker 1: full time nanny so you wouldn't stop working for him.
Speaker 1: Right answer, He appreciated, he valued my organizational skills, and
Speaker 1: that was and that I was responsible. Backner. Sorry, just
Speaker 1: one more point of clarification. He didn't buy a Mercedes.
Speaker 1: He bought a Mercedes and she used it and then
Speaker 1: she had to give it back. Question sure, thank you,
Speaker 1: mister Backner. Question is there anyone else in his orbit
Speaker 1: that had the kind of knowledge of his schedule, his
Speaker 1: day to day, his likes, his preferences, who he met with,
Speaker 1: who he didn't, who he talked to, who he didn't
Speaker 1: more than you? Answer? I would say that all the
Speaker 1: traveling assistants knew a bunch of his schedule and what
Speaker 1: was going on. Question better than you answer. I feel
Speaker 1: like they knew him better than me. Question. So your
Speaker 1: testimony today is that you did not know that mister
Speaker 1: Epstein was abusing, assaulting, raping, and trafficking minor girls and
Speaker 1: young women for decades. Correct, Witcomb, I mean I asked
Speaker 1: an answered for the fiftieth time. Question the rules of
Speaker 1: evidence do not apply, Witcomb understood question. Thank you. Please
Speaker 1: answer the question, Witcomb. But the rules of fairness should
Speaker 1: and she's here voluntarily she asked and answer this question
Speaker 1: fifty times. I know I don't have any leeway to
Speaker 1: direct her or not to answer question. Then she can
Speaker 1: answer it one more time, Witcomb. She can answer a
Speaker 1: fifty first time. Right Groff, I didn't know question. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Ms Groff. That's all we have. We'll go off the record.
Speaker 1: All right, folks, We're gonna wrap up right here, and
Speaker 1: then the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
Speaker 1: pick up where we left off. All the information that
Speaker 1: goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicle. In this episode, we're getting right back to
Speaker 1: the Leslie Groff transcript from her meeting with Congress. Questions
Speaker 1: by Miss Tolan. Question, Miss Groff, thank you for your
Speaker 1: patience here today. We know it's been long. We just
Speaker 1: have a few more questions for you. So to start,
Speaker 1: do you know of any other individuals that knowingly facilitated
Speaker 1: mister Epstein and his crimes? Answer? Knowingly facilitated no question
Speaker 1: or help them in any way? Answer no question. Did
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein ever inform or represent to you that he
Speaker 1: was working with an intelligent service of any nation, including
Speaker 1: the United States? Answer no question. Did Glenn Maxwell ever
Speaker 1: inform or represent to you that she was working with
Speaker 1: any intelligence service all of any nation? Answer no question.
Speaker 1: Did you ever suspect mister Epstein or miss Maxwell of
Speaker 1: being affiliated with any intelligence agency? Answer no question. We've
Speaker 1: discussed the investigation into Jeffrey Epstein, the first investigation in
Speaker 1: two thousand and five and his following arrest multiple times
Speaker 1: during today's interview, Just so the record's clear. When did
Speaker 1: you first become aware of the investigation into mister Epstein? Answer?
Speaker 1: I believe it was in August of two thousand and
Speaker 1: seven when they came to my door the FBI. He
Speaker 1: came to my door. Question and that was after he
Speaker 1: was arrested. Answer When was he arrested? Question? I forgot
Speaker 1: the exact date. He was arrested in July of two
Speaker 1: thousand and six for the first time. Answer, Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I believe it was when they came
Speaker 1: to my door. That's when I figured it out. Question
Speaker 1: and did mister Epstein ever discuss this investigation with you.
Speaker 1: Answer he did after I was served the subpoena. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Question and what did he say to you? Answer he
Speaker 1: said that he was being blackmailed and that there was
Speaker 1: a short discussion. Question and did you have any kind
Speaker 1: of knowledge of any illegal activity by mister Epstein prior
Speaker 1: to his arrest in two thousand and six? Answer no question.
Speaker 1: On October over twentieth, two thousand and five, police executed
Speaker 1: a search warrant for mister Epstein's pom Beach, Florida home.
Speaker 1: Do you recall this happening? Answer no question. Did you
Speaker 1: ever learn about this happening? Answer? I did learn after
Speaker 1: the fact, Yes, that it had happened. Question so while
Speaker 1: you were still working for him? Answer yes. Question so
Speaker 1: you were not president at the Palm Beach residence when
Speaker 1: that occurred. Answer no question. What did you hear about
Speaker 1: the raid when you learned about it? Answer that they
Speaker 1: had come in and rated his home and took I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly, maybe computers. They searched his trash cans,
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Question And there was reporting that
Speaker 1: many believe Epstein was tipped off about the raid, since
Speaker 1: multiple computers that were expected to be at the house
Speaker 1: were missing when the search warrant was executed, to your knowledge,
Speaker 1: did anyone tip Jeffrey Epstein off to the October twentieth
Speaker 1: search warrant in Palm Beach Answer not that I know of.
Speaker 1: Question And are you aware of any items being removed
Speaker 1: from his pom Beach residence prior to the FBI raid?
Speaker 1: Answer no question. Did you receive specific instructions to destroy
Speaker 1: any information from any residences at this time? Answer no question.
Speaker 1: Did you receive specific instruction that have any items removed
Speaker 1: from any of his residences at this time? Answer no question.
Speaker 1: Did you ever instruct someone to remove items from any
Speaker 1: of his residences? Answer no question. At the New York property,
Speaker 1: you are not instructed to remove any items from his
Speaker 1: town home. Answer that's correct. No question. Were any other
Speaker 1: items or records ever intentionally destroyed or withheld from police
Speaker 1: as part of the investigation? Answer not that I know of.
Speaker 1: Question Miss Groff, do you know what the Florida Science
Speaker 1: Foundation is? Answer I did not know until after we
Speaker 1: were preparing for this testimony. Question, so you didn't know
Speaker 1: at the time answer correct question. And you didn't know
Speaker 1: about him working at the Florida Science Foundation as part
Speaker 1: of his work release. Answer. I knew he was working
Speaker 1: there and it was part of the Florida Science Foundation. Right.
Speaker 1: Question did you ever visit the office of the Florida
Speaker 1: Science Foundation while mister Epstein was working there in work release?
Speaker 1: Answer yes twice. Question what was the reason for those visits? Answer?
Speaker 1: Just to coordinate a list of scientists and their names
Speaker 1: and phone numbers. We made appointments with Gloria and I'm
Speaker 1: forgetting his name. Backner, You testified to it earlier, Graff, Yes,
Speaker 1: Backner Minsky, Graff Minsky, Marvin Minsky. Yes, he came and
Speaker 1: stayed the whole entire day with mister Epstein, him and
Speaker 1: his wife. He and his wife, and it was just
Speaker 1: connected him to some scientists, and he had lots of
Speaker 1: attorneys coming in and out. Question and do you recall
Speaker 1: where the office was located? Answer hang on, It was
Speaker 1: in the same building as his attorney, Jack Goldberger Australian Avenue,
Speaker 1: something like that. Question and you testified to this, but
Speaker 1: mister Epstein was allowed to have visitors while he was
Speaker 1: on work release. Answer yes. Question did anyone else visit
Speaker 1: him to your knowledge? Answer? I said dere Torres earlier
Speaker 1: and the attorney Larry Vesoski the pilot. I know I
Speaker 1: met Larry's wife one day there his driver and security
Speaker 1: guard Jim instructor Igor I don't remember the last name.
Speaker 1: It starts with the Z. Sarah Kellen and Story Calves.
Speaker 1: Who was the paralegal? Question while he was on work release?
Speaker 1: Did mister Epstein ever engage in any sexual conduct with
Speaker 1: any woman? Answer? No, I mean, now I understand after
Speaker 1: the fact there's been allegations. Question but you had no
Speaker 1: direct knowledge of this? Answer no. Question, Miss Groff, who's
Speaker 1: Matthew Minchell? Do you know who that is? Answer? I've
Speaker 1: come to find out preparing for this that he was
Speaker 1: an attorney. Did you understand him to have a relationship
Speaker 1: with mister Epstein when you work for mister Epstein? Answer
Speaker 1: I don't even remember him. He's just a name that
Speaker 1: now I recognize because of listening to other people's testimony.
Speaker 1: Question do you recall ever scheduling meetings dinner? Is there
Speaker 1: any kind of appointment between Menchell and Epstein? Answer? I
Speaker 1: don't recall. Question And do you know if mister Epstein
Speaker 1: ever later hired mister Minchell to work for him? Answer?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Question And then I'm going to ask
Speaker 1: you about the New York residence specifically. Were you aware
Speaker 1: of security cameras on or at the residence? Answer at
Speaker 1: seventy first Street. Question yes, answer there were. There was
Speaker 1: a room with monitors, and there were security cameras that
Speaker 1: looked out onto seventy first Street. Question did you have
Speaker 1: access to that room? Answer? I could go in there,
Speaker 1: but I didn't go in there very often. Question was
Speaker 1: there a reason you would not go in there? Or
Speaker 1: can you describe the instances? Answer just to say a
Speaker 1: load of rich who was in that office. Maybe a
Speaker 1: UPS package would be in there, something like that. Questions
Speaker 1: so not to review security footage? Answer? Oh, no. Question
Speaker 1: And did all of his residences have similar security camera rooms? Answer?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Mister Emmer jumps in, and to be clear,
Speaker 1: you said this secrecurity cameras were outside the residence Graff, Yes, Emmer,
Speaker 1: You're not aware of any security cameras inside the residence.
Speaker 1: Graff No, Emmer. Okay, Tolan doing the questioning again. Question
Speaker 1: do you know if security footage was stored anywhere? Answer?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Question do you know if any footage
Speaker 1: was ever turned over to the police or the FBI.
Speaker 1: Answer I don't know. Question do you know what happens
Speaker 1: to any of the footage after mister Epstein's death? Answer
Speaker 1: no question. When did you learn of mister Epstein's death?
Speaker 1: Answer I think the morning had happened. Question who told you?
Speaker 1: Answer my counsel. Question what did you do next? Or
Speaker 1: who did you speak with? Answer my husband? He was
Speaker 1: right with me. Question In all the years you've known
Speaker 1: and work for mister Epstein, did he ever demonstrate suicidal tendencies?
Speaker 1: Answer no question. Have you ever heard mister Epstein say
Speaker 1: that he wanted to commit suicide? Answer no question. Do
Speaker 1: you believe that mister Epstein committed suicide? Answer? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Question and I believe we touched on this a little
Speaker 1: bit earlier. But when you did first learn about the
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight non prosecution agreement? When was that? Answer?
Speaker 1: I believe it was when he went to jail. Question
Speaker 1: and what were you told about the agreement? If anything?
Speaker 1: Answer just that I was. I was in it and
Speaker 1: I didn't really understand it. Brignac asking questions now, and
Speaker 1: who told you you were in it? Groff? Mister Endyke
Speaker 1: back to Tolan, who's now asking the questions again. Question,
Speaker 1: and why did you think you were named in the agreement? Answer?
Speaker 1: I didn't understand it at all. I felt very far
Speaker 1: away from Palm Beach. I felt like I had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with it. I was surprised. Question and then
Speaker 1: I know we've talked at length about massages, mister Epstein,
Speaker 1: receiving massages and the role that you had in scheduling those.
Speaker 1: I just had a few more clarification questions for the record.
Speaker 1: Just to be clear, did you ever pay money to
Speaker 1: any person in exchange for a massage for mister Epstein? Answer?
Speaker 1: The only thing. I never handed any money to anyone.
Speaker 1: The only thing I would have done is if mister
Speaker 1: Epstein directed me to have redacted put money in an
Speaker 1: envelope for someone, and then that envelope would be picked
Speaker 1: up by a messenger or Jojo as driver and taken
Speaker 1: to that person. Question, So, just to be clear, did
Speaker 1: you ever give money to a fifteen year old girl
Speaker 1: for the purpose of massaging mister Epstein? Answer? No question,
Speaker 1: And we touched on this earlier, But just to clarify,
Speaker 1: did you ever provide any gifts to any of the messuses? Answer?
Speaker 1: No question. Did you ever provide Broadway tickets to any messuses?
Speaker 1: Answer no question. The committee is also aware of allegations
Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein engaging in blackmail of sorts. Did mister
Speaker 1: Epstein ever ask you to look up information to use
Speaker 1: against any young women or girls? Answer no question, and
Speaker 1: then again just to reiterate so the record's clear. While
Speaker 1: scheduling a massage for mister Ebstein, did you ever ask
Speaker 1: any of the messuses for the rage? Answer no question.
Speaker 1: Did you ever ask anything about their appearance? Answer no.
Speaker 1: Mister emer asked a question, now, did you ever ask
Speaker 1: a review school ideas of anyone? Miss Groff no Brignac.
Speaker 1: Did you ever review school ideas? Groff No. Mister Tolan
Speaker 1: or miss Tolan excuse me? And are you aware of
Speaker 1: messuses or girls being paid money if they recruited a
Speaker 1: friend to get mister Epstein a massage? Graff no Brignac. Question.
Speaker 1: Have you ever made an appointment for another woman to
Speaker 1: receive an abortion? Answer no question. Have you ever transferred
Speaker 1: money to anyone for purposes of receiving an abortion? Answer
Speaker 1: no question. Does the name doctor Caplan ring a bell?
Speaker 1: Answered doctor Caplin? Not off hand? Question? Did you ever
Speaker 1: agree to render payment for services to doctor Caplan. Answer,
Speaker 1: I don't recall who doctor Caplin is. It was not
Speaker 1: my place to give money to doctors I don't know.
Speaker 1: Question in your work for securing medical appointments for girls,
Speaker 1: such as the example we've provided you with today, did
Speaker 1: you ever receive information about the purpose of the APO?
Speaker 1: Answer no. Question are you familiar with doctor Magnanni? Answer no,
Speaker 1: mister Bockner one second Graf Oh Magnanni question yes, answer ah,
Speaker 1: doctor Magnanni in Pombach she was a dentist. Question yes,
Speaker 1: Did you ever render payment to doctor Magnanni for services
Speaker 1: to young women or girls? Answer no, not that I recall.
Speaker 1: They were friends and maybe he did see them as
Speaker 1: a dentist as well. Question did you understand that he
Speaker 1: was providing dental services to anyone associated with Jeffrey Epstein?
Speaker 1: Answer no, Backner, She'd liked to modify that. Answer too,
Speaker 1: I don't recall Brinac, please do Graff. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: recall setting up an appointment. Now Emma asking questions. I
Speaker 1: know that we've talked at length about the travels and
Speaker 1: whether you traveled in furtherance of your employment. Did you
Speaker 1: mention that you had flown with mister Epstein, were on
Speaker 1: the helicopter. Answer I did once. Question can you elaborate
Speaker 1: where that helicopter went? Answer? Sure, it left Saint Thomas
Speaker 1: and took me over to his island. Question did you
Speaker 1: ever travel to Cuba? Answer no, Brignac, mis Gross, you
Speaker 1: said in your opening statement that you want to be helpful.
Speaker 1: Is there any information you have that could be helpful
Speaker 1: to this committee? Mis Groff, I feel like I've talked
Speaker 1: about a lot of things. I hope that I've been helpful.
Speaker 1: I think you guys have covered about everything, Brignac, and
Speaker 1: thank you for your assistance today. It's been a very
Speaker 1: long day and I appreciate your cooperation with all these questions. However,
Speaker 1: you've also said you don't know a lot today, and
Speaker 1: I hope you can appreciate some of the confusion and
Speaker 1: admittedly frustration with the fact that you don't know certain circumstances.
Speaker 1: When you work for mister Ebstein for eighteen years and
Speaker 1: have been quoted as being an extension of his brain.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you can offer there to help clarify
Speaker 1: that confusion? Groff? All I can say is that, truly,
Speaker 1: and even more now, I recognize how he kept me
Speaker 1: away from him. We were not social, we didn't have discussions,
Speaker 1: and it was all part of his scheme and his manipulation.
Speaker 1: It was one hundred percent on purpose. Yeah, Backner, I'm
Speaker 1: not the witness, but because the newspaper article was used,
Speaker 1: you know, he also indicated that she got paid two
Speaker 1: hundred thousand a year in two thousand and four, and
Speaker 1: that's false. So you know how he may have characterized
Speaker 1: her as being an extension of his brain, maybe equally
Speaker 1: as true as how much money he was paying her.
Speaker 1: This is what he said. It doesn't mean it's all true,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you're aware of that. Brignac. Do you
Speaker 1: believe that there was anyone that's testified before the committee
Speaker 1: that has been untruthful? Groff? I do not know, Brignac.
Speaker 1: Is there anything that we've not asked you about today
Speaker 1: that you would like to offer into the record, Graf,
Speaker 1: I don't believe so, no, Bockner. One of the questions
Speaker 1: that was asked by the gentleman sitting next to Miss Talib,
Speaker 1: I apologize, I don't know his name for the minority.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to clarify it, But
Speaker 1: miss Groff, was asked repeatedly by him how she cannot
Speaker 1: believe that someone who was quote in school and was
Speaker 1: an orchestra was not a minor. I think she would
Speaker 1: just like to elaborate Whitcomb. Sorry, miners have orchestra practice
Speaker 1: at ten pm. Groff, Yeah, to me, no high school
Speaker 1: students going to orchestra practice at ten pm. And this
Speaker 1: person was working all day. It was definitely someone who
Speaker 1: was of age. And miners are just not going to
Speaker 1: staying up late. You know. I raised my son. We're
Speaker 1: never going to let him do those things. This person
Speaker 1: clearly had to be someone of age and it's New York.
Speaker 1: To me, I can't imagine that someone's going to school
Speaker 1: who's a miner that late in the evening. Ms. Toland,
Speaker 1: thank you. That's all the questions we have for you today.
Speaker 1: We'll conclude and go off the record, all right, folks.
Speaker 1: That wraps up the Leslie Groff transcript from her meeting
Speaker 1: with Congress. All the information that goes with this episode
Speaker 1: can be found in the description box.