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<v Speaker 1>Weird thing, weird weird. Welcome again everyone to a special

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Bled. Sub said, so we have I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just embracing them with like I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>match your energy with arms wide open to Uh. We

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<v Speaker 1>have another trainer from the Monrosa to a good friend

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<v Speaker 1>of mine who was at the Creator Gateway with us,

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<v Speaker 1>but going through it with us, and I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was on like the second to last day that I

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<v Speaker 1>even found out you were a trainer and I was

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<v Speaker 1>like what, so, I don't know. It was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>mind blowing. But we have Emily Thomas.

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<v Speaker 2>So great to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're excited to talk more Monroe stuff. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>really fascinating topic to me right now. I'm just like

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<v Speaker 3>drawn to it, so I'm excited to talk to you

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<v Speaker 3>about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I remember like sitting beside you on the I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was like the first uh, I guess debrief

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<v Speaker 1>we did, or maybe it was like before we even meditated, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It was kind of like an orientation on the first

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<v Speaker 1>day and you were sitting to the left of me

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<v Speaker 1>and you were wearing I remember exactly what you were wearing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was that like baseball tea. You remember the Monroe one. Yeah, yah,

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<v Speaker 1>you were wearing that and I look over and you're

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<v Speaker 1>just sitting there, and I was kind of like nervous

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<v Speaker 1>about introducing myself to everybody. And I was just like, hi,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Ryan and You're like hi, I'm Emily. Oh cool,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and we got to talk in and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I just like, I just remember that moment

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<v Speaker 1>before the experiences like knowing you, and then I remember

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<v Speaker 1>after just completely viewing you in a different light, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think where that shifted for me. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>wait till your episode to tell this story. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you remember this, but there was one time

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<v Speaker 1>in the cafeteria, I think it was for lunch one day,

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<v Speaker 1>where I was standing beside you. We were getting our food,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, that was very stressful. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the first time I went out of body. It was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of an accident, and I was explaining to you

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<v Speaker 1>that I was freaked out, and you looked at me

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<v Speaker 1>and you were like, dude, you're fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you remember this?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so, yeah, yeah, yeah, you were really blown away.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like intro to out of body and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you were just like, oh, you're totally fine, it's normal,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're and I'm like.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're no, you're right, you're right. Yeah, I'm fine,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm fine. Everything's fine. Fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I was, I was really freaked out. But then from

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<v Speaker 1>that moment on, I just was like, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I just felt like such a comforting energy

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<v Speaker 1>from you.

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<v Speaker 3>So, so was the Creator program. It's like a version

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<v Speaker 3>of Gateway.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, no, it was gate It is Gateway.

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<v Speaker 3>With cameras and okay, okay, I get it. So how

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<v Speaker 3>many if you haven't an approximation, how many Gateways have

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<v Speaker 3>you done?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I have only done and this has been in

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<v Speaker 2>training to be a residential trainer. So I've done for

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of training to be that to train Gateways,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been or attended two Gateways. And then before I

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<v Speaker 2>ever did any of that, I did they have the

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<v Speaker 2>Gateway Voyage kind of on CD, and so I had

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<v Speaker 2>purchased that whole series long long ago and did it

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<v Speaker 2>over and over and over and over again. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>benefit that you can do.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's cool. I didn't know that that was the

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<v Speaker 3>thing that you could you could do.

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<v Speaker 1>So that begs a really important question for the listener.

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<v Speaker 1>At home who might not have the funds or the

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<v Speaker 1>resources to make it to the institute. In your opinion, Emily,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that this is like a great starting

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<v Speaker 1>point for individuals to like, will they get the gateway

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<v Speaker 1>experience from listening to these tapes?

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<v Speaker 2>They will get close to the gateway. I mean, what

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<v Speaker 2>happened for me was that that was exactly what happened

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<v Speaker 2>was I didn't have the money, and I didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>the time. I was young, and I was poor and

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<v Speaker 2>working in all of that, so I couldn't take a

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<v Speaker 2>week away and I didn't have enough money to pay

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<v Speaker 2>for it. And so it was still a substantial outlay,

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<v Speaker 2>because I mean, I don't actually even know how much

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<v Speaker 2>it is now, but it was several hundred dollars to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. But you could do it a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>at a time and get a few days at a time,

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<v Speaker 2>and it provided me with the beginnings of the skills

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<v Speaker 2>to get to the different focus levels, to get to

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<v Speaker 2>these different meditative states. And yet I could do it

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<v Speaker 2>in the comfort of my own home.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and at your own pace.

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<v Speaker 2>And at my own pace. So I could do one

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<v Speaker 2>particular one over and over and over again. If I

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<v Speaker 2>liked it, and so at the time it was life changing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd already been very familiar with Monroe Institute anyway, but

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<v Speaker 2>at the time it was life changing. It was exciting,

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<v Speaker 2>it was mind blowing. It was all the things that

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan was just saying, you know, freaking out and you

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<v Speaker 2>can have all these amazing experiences, and so it's a

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful way to begin. Absolutely, it does not quite compare

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<v Speaker 2>to being on campus and doing it for a week, though,

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<v Speaker 2>because once I did that, I was like, oh, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to come back here. I need to find

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<v Speaker 2>some you know, some way to be able to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a social thing too, you know, you're like experiencing

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<v Speaker 1>it with people, and yeah, I mean, nothing could ever

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<v Speaker 1>compare it to the in person experience. I totally get that,

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<v Speaker 1>But it sounds to me like you kind of go

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<v Speaker 1>way back with Monroe based on what you're describing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's been sort of in and out of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I grew up, I grew up first in

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<v Speaker 2>New Jersey, and I was always kind of like a weird,

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<v Speaker 2>mystical kid anyway, and having out of body experiences when

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<v Speaker 2>I was really little and things like that that I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know that that's what they were.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>But I had plenty of things like that, and fortunately

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<v Speaker 2>I was the kind I had the kind of parents

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<v Speaker 2>who didn't try to talk me out of anything that

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<v Speaker 2>I told them. Good, So I was able to just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of experiment with it. When we when I was

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen years old, my mom and my dad and I

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<v Speaker 2>decided to move to Virginia and one of the first

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<v Speaker 2>houses that they looked at was very close to as in,

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<v Speaker 2>within view of the Monroe Institute. No way, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>first time I heard about them. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, So we were a kid. I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I was sixteen and I was standing there

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<v Speaker 2>in front of this house that we almost bought, and

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<v Speaker 2>the real estate agent was across the street going and

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<v Speaker 2>down there is the Monroe Institute, and god knows what

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<v Speaker 2>she thought. She was like, they do some weird things. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and so so I remember that. I mean, that's sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like, you know, etched in my memory. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 2>then after that, uh, you know, I kind of went

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<v Speaker 2>through my own phase of agnosticism and atheism, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was a super rationalist in all of this kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And then a friend of mine read the books that's

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<v Speaker 2>always the start, and then I found the books. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>so and ended up doing an internship. So I when

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<v Speaker 2>I was eighteen or nineteen, I would go and visit.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew none of this. This is amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't even know they did internships.

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<v Speaker 2>They probably don't anymore. I mean, but it was a

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<v Speaker 2>brief thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah. How cool to be eighteen like doing internships.

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<v Speaker 3>It's such a spectacular place. Yeah that cool.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that entail? Like working the microphone?

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<v Speaker 2>I know, right, no idea what he did?

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<v Speaker 1>That place changed me?

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<v Speaker 2>I I I now that you say that, I have

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<v Speaker 2>no clue what was going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>All I cared about was being able to get on

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<v Speaker 2>the grounds because the grounds are mystical, The grounds are powerful,

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<v Speaker 2>the energy there, and so that was when I first

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<v Speaker 2>started hearing about the binaural beats and the meta music

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<v Speaker 2>and and all of that. So that's how that, really,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, began.

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<v Speaker 1>You got thrown in thrown she's the girl next door. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole time, I didn't know any of that. That's

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<v Speaker 1>that's like really an amazing background. Emily. That is so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like your destiny was to be where you are.

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<v Speaker 2>It would not leave, you know, Yeah, I just came

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<v Speaker 2>in and out.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, when you went after an internship, did you at

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<v Speaker 3>that point know like roughly kind of what it was about.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, it wasn't even that it was a friend of

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<v Speaker 2>mine and I to visit, So I didn't even I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't even the intern. Wow, but I didn't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>knew that it was about out of body experiences. And

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<v Speaker 2>this goes around to what y'all have been talking about

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<v Speaker 2>some I think on this podcast, is that what appealed

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<v Speaker 2>to me at the time was that I was in

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of atheistic, super rationalistic phase and when I

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<v Speaker 2>read his books, it helped me integrate everything that had

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<v Speaker 2>happened to me when I was a child, and all

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<v Speaker 2>of that mysticism that I had come by naturally and intuitively,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the rational rational I could do it. I

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<v Speaker 2>could do it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's like really mind blowing to put it that way.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, well, it's kind of similar to Robert Monroe's origin, right,

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<v Speaker 3>it just started happening to him. He was like a scientific,

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<v Speaker 3>rationalistic kind of person, and those two worlds just crashed

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<v Speaker 3>into each other. And then look look at you. Now

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's it's kind of similar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but like I think, to expand on that deeper,

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<v Speaker 1>it's I didn't think about this, but like Monroe really

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of the place right where that those two

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<v Speaker 1>things meet. They have just as much data, if not more,

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<v Speaker 1>than anyone in the world phenomenon that involves, you know, consciousness.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's just it's profound. I don't know, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really think about that. All I could think

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<v Speaker 1>about is like, what can I learn next, you know, Like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>that's really cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think that's one of the really cool and

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<v Speaker 3>interesting pulls to Monroe from at least what I can

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<v Speaker 3>see from the outside, is that, like so many people

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<v Speaker 3>are like rationalists, and they use that to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>clash against the spirituality. But the truth is that they

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<v Speaker 3>they actually go hand in hand beautifully and one overlapping.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, juststerium.

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<v Speaker 3>One can inform the other and does inform the other,

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<v Speaker 3>like they work closely together.

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<v Speaker 1>I think to flesh it out. I'm more along the

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<v Speaker 1>lines of realizing, like I think, I think Monroe is

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<v Speaker 1>really going to go down in history bigger than it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean in a big, big way of kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like bridging the rational in the you know, the spiritual,

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<v Speaker 1>the metaphysical or whatever. I don't know, it's exciting. It's

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<v Speaker 1>that's like really cool that you grew up next to them,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know, so Gateway, So you did the

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I did kind of what you had referred to

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<v Speaker 2>in the past, Ryan, which was that whole bit with

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<v Speaker 2>experience and I was so excited with that. But I, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely did that. And I also had episodes. I

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<v Speaker 2>So there were some scary things too. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>go by, these experiences aren't unusual anymore. This happens all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and that's why. Like when you were standing

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, of course you're freaked out. It's normal

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<v Speaker 1>It helped, you know, it truly helped. Like it changed

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<v Speaker 1>the whole course of my day. And I was like, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>And then I and then an hour later I did

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<v Speaker 2>Serious, Yeah, so you went out of body. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>But it took me, h, I want to say, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>and the key was to do it on purpose, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, was curiosity the like driving force we talked with

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<v Speaker 3>Archie about, like people's why why they're doing it? Was

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<v Speaker 3>it a curiosity thing more than like when you first

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<v Speaker 2>Very much?

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<v Speaker 1>So?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wasn't even thinking that much about what had

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<v Speaker 2>So I didn't really want that to happen again either,

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So were you maybe like blocking those experiences from you

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<v Speaker 1>your younger years, you know, or were you more so

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of think that my unconscious had already made

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so like kind of down the road you realized

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<v Speaker 1>maybe there was a connection there. Yeah, that's that's really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of like it sounds like what's going on with him,

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<v Speaker 1>like with all this sleep paralysis stuff like, it.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had it once or twice and it's freaky.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just I mean, especially if it's happening to you

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<v Speaker 3>like I would be particularly freaked out. And that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it can be very rattling, can have permanent effects on you,

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean, yeah, that doesn't surprise me. But it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's good that you have had enough experience with this

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<v Speaker 3>now to know that, like it's not scary, it's not

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<v Speaker 3>a bad thing. Nothing bad it it's got to be

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<v Speaker 3>healing in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's kind of a full circle phenomenon in a

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<v Speaker 2>natural or into something kind of magical really, and it

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<v Speaker 2>also affirms just how powerful we all are.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, Yeah, it's very empowering for sure. Like something I

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<v Speaker 1>told you this a couple hours ago, but I'll say

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<v Speaker 1>it for the listener. Something that came through to me

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<v Speaker 1>at Monroe. I haven't said this on the show. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think like on the three part series. There's there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things that came to me that I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't ready to share, or maybe I felt like I

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<v Speaker 1>never will because it's personal. But something that came through

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<v Speaker 1>to me is like our whole lives. People would message

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<v Speaker 1>my dad or they message us, why you? Why are

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<v Speaker 1>you having these experiences? Why do you think you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Why you? Why you?

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<v Speaker 3>Why you?

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<v Speaker 1>Why you? So we did this exercise right where it

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<v Speaker 1>was like ask your higher self five questions. So one

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<v Speaker 1>of my questions was something like, uh, you know, why

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<v Speaker 1>is this happening to me? Or when did this start

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<v Speaker 1>for me? Or something. And something that came through to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and it honestly was life changing for me, was you

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<v Speaker 1>are not special because everyone is right. Don't worry so much,

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<v Speaker 1>don't think about it. Everybody is special. You are light

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<v Speaker 1>beings walking amongst the earth basically, like that's the reality

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<v Speaker 1>of what we are, Like, we're all special, We're all

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<v Speaker 1>from a special place, you know. And yeah, that was

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<v Speaker 1>very perspective shifting for me.

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<v Speaker 3>That was like a comforting thing for you to.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, It gave me the answer I've been seeking

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<v Speaker 1>my whole life, Like, yeah, it doesn't matter to think

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<v Speaker 1>about some grand reason why things are happening to me,

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<v Speaker 1>because everybody has a grand reason for everything happening to them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a paradox in a way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, like, h it probably made you feel

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<v Speaker 3>a lot less alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it did?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>I told you you might remember this.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>On the last day of the Gateway, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh my god, I finally don't feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm alone in my life, Like I've always felt

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<v Speaker 1>like everywhere I go, I'm the crazy one or I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have anything to relate to. And then coming here,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I finally feel like I I'm normal,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. And I'm sure you've probably

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<v Speaker 1>felt the same way, you know, when you started going

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<v Speaker 1>out of body. But enough about me, So yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>you start going out of body with the tapes. Now

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious what it was like when you went there

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>It was extraordinary. I was And by the time I

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<v Speaker 2>was directing a local counseling center. And I won't get

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<v Speaker 2>into the details about that, but it was just really

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<v Speaker 2>traumatic some of the stuff that was going on administratively

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<v Speaker 2>and everything. And by the time I signed up for

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<v Speaker 2>that gateway, all I cared about was the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>I got to lie down for a week. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>care what happened. I get it, you lie down. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to be responsible high I did not care. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And and also back then they don't do it as

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<v Speaker 2>the need to be in touch and everything. But back

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<v Speaker 2>in the day, they would come around with this basket

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<v Speaker 2>and they would make you put your watches uh in

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<v Speaker 2>the basket, and then there was no time for that

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<v Speaker 2>entire week. You only responded to bells when they would

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<v Speaker 2>ring your bell, ring the bell for dinner and lunch

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, to come back, you know, to do

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<v Speaker 2>a meditation or something. So you lost sense of time altogether,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was no calling home, and there was it

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<v Speaker 2>was great.

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<v Speaker 3>I really need.

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<v Speaker 2>So. And I think it was the very first exercise

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<v Speaker 2>I was lying down, and again I was a little

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<v Speaker 2>and then I could sense sort of them putting their

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<v Speaker 3>Whoa.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was my introduction.

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<v Speaker 1>That's start. Oh my gosh, the first extra again, you

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, wow wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, uh, y'all, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>You know that is in wow?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's that's a lot of process.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what I would think.

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<v Speaker 2>When I asked what they were doing, they said we're

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<v Speaker 2>breaking you, which might sound and when I shared it later,

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<v Speaker 2>some people are like, oh, that's so negative. But it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't it was. It was we're resetting you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe humbling you a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Maybe I felt it was more like we're taking

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<v Speaker 2>It was just odd? I don't know. I think by

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<v Speaker 3>The ride, I'm on the ride. If it's gonna happen,

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<v Speaker 3>it's gonna happen. Yeah, wow, take my guts apart and

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<v Speaker 3>really that's fine whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No. The since I get from that, though, it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like I know, you said, they're like resetting you or

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<v Speaker 1>they're taking you apart and putting you back together. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like that's crazy because I mean, first of all, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what I think about that. Yeah, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to process, but yeah, it's like, if I had

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<v Speaker 1>to guess, it's you know, you you had these experiences

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<v Speaker 1>as a child and it was very frightening, and because

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<v Speaker 1>for years and years and years. So maybe that was

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<v Speaker 1>your resetting point if you could start over. And I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's like now you're like you're literally teaching this,

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<v Speaker 1>You're you're you're initiating countless others into this experience now,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like where you are now is so different

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<v Speaker 1>from where you were then. It's like crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>So were you there for the Creator? Yeah? Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 3>how how was that compared to the average gateway?

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<v Speaker 2>The average gateway, I don't know if there.

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<v Speaker 1>Was the baseline there is very high high.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really just it was an absolute blast. It

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00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:50.039
<v Speaker 2>was such a privilege to be there, and it was

428
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<v Speaker 2>Also I didn't know what to expect with the cameras

429
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<v Speaker 2>and with people who were going to be thinking about

430
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<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing. And it was a little like,

431
00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:05.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, what if they say, is you know, negative

432
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<v Speaker 2>stuff or.

433
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, yeah, I know, ye, I never even

434
00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:09.799
<v Speaker 1>thought of that.

435
00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:15.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean they could people do and have the

436
00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:17.559
<v Speaker 2>right to if they have a negative experience. It wasn't

437
00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:22.160
<v Speaker 2>about trying to make sure everything was only positive. But yeah,

438
00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:24.319
<v Speaker 2>I had been asked to be a participant as a

439
00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:30.319
<v Speaker 2>kind of support along with another one, Agnostio, and so

440
00:23:31.519 --> 00:23:33.640
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really know what to expect going in or

441
00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:35.839
<v Speaker 2>if there were going to be cameras around all the time,

442
00:23:35.880 --> 00:23:38.279
<v Speaker 2>and you know all of that. And from the very

443
00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:43.319
<v Speaker 2>first day, everybody, including you, Ryan was so warm and

444
00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:46.640
<v Speaker 2>so pleasant. I just knew it was going to be

445
00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:50.400
<v Speaker 2>so much fun. So I had kind of a parallel

446
00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:53.680
<v Speaker 2>process in a way, because first of all, I was

447
00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:56.880
<v Speaker 2>a participant, but I was still supposed to be in

448
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<v Speaker 2>a in a I don't know, a reperive kind of role,

449
00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:04.920
<v Speaker 2>I guess you could say, yeah, And so I was

450
00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:09.880
<v Speaker 2>sort of paying attention to that and really enjoying interacting

451
00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:13.920
<v Speaker 2>with everybody. And then I was also doing Gateway two

452
00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:18.119
<v Speaker 2>point zero, right, hey, Yeah, And so it was going

453
00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:21.440
<v Speaker 2>into the exercises as a as a different person, as

454
00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:24.759
<v Speaker 2>a person who more than a decade had passed since

455
00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:27.599
<v Speaker 2>I'd done that first one, and I had a whole

456
00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:31.319
<v Speaker 2>other range of experiences that were right for me at

457
00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:35.279
<v Speaker 2>the time. So it was again an absolute blast.

458
00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:38.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you guys were a masterclass. Like I think, the

459
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:41.799
<v Speaker 1>more I talk about me with you guys and and

460
00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:44.440
<v Speaker 1>sort of like the curtain is pulled down because you know,

461
00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:47.200
<v Speaker 1>when people in the world think about Monroe, it's this

462
00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:49.920
<v Speaker 1>I keep telling you guys this, like it's this big mystique.

463
00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:54.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like you know, declassified Gateway CIA tapes, and you know,

464
00:24:55.039 --> 00:24:58.400
<v Speaker 1>like that's how the ordinary person thinks about Monroe. But

465
00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:01.559
<v Speaker 1>in reality, it's just a amazing people like you know

466
00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:05.519
<v Speaker 1>Emily and Archie and you know Big Nacio and al

467
00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:07.839
<v Speaker 1>And it's just a bunch of people with their heart

468
00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:11.039
<v Speaker 1>in the right place running this profound institution. And like

469
00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:14.079
<v Speaker 1>the curtain comes down and you're like, wow, this, this

470
00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:16.759
<v Speaker 1>this is really freaking awesome. Right. The more you guys

471
00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:19.880
<v Speaker 1>are telling me about like the stresses you felt and

472
00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:23.160
<v Speaker 1>like the anxieties you had hosting this thing. It blows

473
00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:25.839
<v Speaker 1>me away more like you guys handled this with so

474
00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:32.359
<v Speaker 1>much finesse, so much just mastery, Like the way that

475
00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:35.720
<v Speaker 1>it went off without a hitch. There was not a problem.

476
00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:37.799
<v Speaker 1>There was not a I mean, to my knowledge, if

477
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:40.920
<v Speaker 1>there was no one told me right, everybody got along,

478
00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:44.000
<v Speaker 1>There was not a flaw in the planet, just went perfect,

479
00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:47.480
<v Speaker 1>And like I had no clue. You guys were so stressed,

480
00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:50.200
<v Speaker 1>and it makes sense. What if someone came and they're like, oh,

481
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:51.559
<v Speaker 1>this place sucks, you.

482
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<v Speaker 3>Know, concern It was like like one of the things

483
00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:58.559
<v Speaker 3>that I was thinking about is like, does the does

484
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<v Speaker 3>the introduction of the camera take you away from the

485
00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:04.279
<v Speaker 3>experience kind of thing, which I think you guys said

486
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:05.920
<v Speaker 3>they were worried about it kind of worried about that

487
00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:08.680
<v Speaker 3>as well. Yeah, that's another one. But I mean it

488
00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:12.200
<v Speaker 3>sounds like it didn't hinder anything whatsoever, which is great.

489
00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:16.240
<v Speaker 3>But do they always when they do a Gateway or

490
00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:19.319
<v Speaker 3>any of these classes, do they always have the trainers

491
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:23.480
<v Speaker 3>or representatives in the class as well with whoever else

492
00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:24.799
<v Speaker 3>is taking the course?

493
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<v Speaker 2>Do you mean, like in the role that I was

494
00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:28.799
<v Speaker 2>playing that time or.

495
00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:33.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, like if you if like on a typical

496
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:36.559
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna use the word average on a typical

497
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:41.319
<v Speaker 3>gateway experience. Would like, let's say you have a class

498
00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:44.839
<v Speaker 3>of like five people, would they typically also put in

499
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:49.000
<v Speaker 3>a trainer to take the class with. No, Okay, I

500
00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:53.400
<v Speaker 3>think that's cool. I think that's really that's special because

501
00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:57.119
<v Speaker 3>they kind of serve as a guide and they're like

502
00:26:57.240 --> 00:26:58.480
<v Speaker 3>jumping in the water with you.

503
00:26:58.599 --> 00:26:59.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like, I told you, dude, I didn't know you

504
00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:02.920
<v Speaker 1>a trainer for days. I found out later and I

505
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:07.680
<v Speaker 1>was like really, because we were doing everything together, the exercises,

506
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:09.799
<v Speaker 1>the debriefs and it. You know, it's like it's just

507
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:13.119
<v Speaker 1>the whole experience is it was mind blowing. Yeah, you know,

508
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:15.880
<v Speaker 1>I knew Ignacia was a trainer because we had correspondence before,

509
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:17.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, with Emily and everything.

510
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:20.960
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, yeah, I think that's that's like a good

511
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:23.839
<v Speaker 3>thing because it's it also is kind of like a barometer,

512
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:26.839
<v Speaker 3>like you look at them, like, all right, they're not

513
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:29.200
<v Speaker 3>freaking out, So I think I shouldn't forget. I think

514
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:31.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm probably good. I think I'm fine. I shouldn't be

515
00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:32.400
<v Speaker 3>freaking out either.

516
00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:39.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very cool, but's so a question. What I want

517
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:43.160
<v Speaker 1>to know is like Okay, so I know a little

518
00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:44.400
<v Speaker 1>bit of the question. Right, I'm trying to think of

519
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:46.440
<v Speaker 1>a different way to word this because I know now

520
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:50.799
<v Speaker 1>that you had experiences, you know, as a young lady,

521
00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:54.200
<v Speaker 1>going out of body spontaneously and things like that. But

522
00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:57.440
<v Speaker 1>then what I'm curious to know is, like, in what

523
00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:03.960
<v Speaker 1>other ways did going to the institute and like taking

524
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:07.200
<v Speaker 1>the courses and what ways did it change or maybe

525
00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:11.680
<v Speaker 1>like enhance your life? What did it add to your life?

526
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:15.839
<v Speaker 2>Right, That's a really great question because one of the

527
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:21.119
<v Speaker 2>things that's really important to me about doing my work

528
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:25.440
<v Speaker 2>as an outreach trainer too, which is the program where

529
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:32.440
<v Speaker 2>you can give two day workshops during a weekend, for instance.

530
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:38.119
<v Speaker 2>And one of the things is that I also have

531
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:42.960
<v Speaker 2>a psychotherapy practice, and so I just feel like my

532
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:48.480
<v Speaker 2>whole professional life is about teaching human empowerment and learn

533
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.839
<v Speaker 2>helping people learn to trust themselves, learn to trust who

534
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:54.359
<v Speaker 2>they are, and to become more of who they are.

535
00:28:54.880 --> 00:29:00.960
<v Speaker 2>And I would say that going to the Monroe I

536
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:03.440
<v Speaker 2>was going to say workshops, but even the programs or

537
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.680
<v Speaker 2>the workshops, those two day workshops really help us do that.

538
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:12.640
<v Speaker 2>I think that the out of body stuff is fascinating obviously,

539
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:14.880
<v Speaker 2>I do, or I wouldn't have spent years trying to

540
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:21.000
<v Speaker 2>and eventually succeeding and doing it intentionally. And I think

541
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:24.359
<v Speaker 2>that having beings on me, you know, and saying we're

542
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:25.960
<v Speaker 2>going to reset you or break you or you know,

543
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:30.960
<v Speaker 2>that's fascinating, right, all of that, all of it really is.

544
00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:36.200
<v Speaker 2>But I think that these programs really have the potential

545
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:40.640
<v Speaker 2>to heal, heal a lot. It did for me, yeah,

546
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:42.000
<v Speaker 2>really deep healing a.

547
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:44.599
<v Speaker 1>Lot, and change my whole outlook on life.

548
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:49.039
<v Speaker 2>Think about, for instance, when you got that message about

549
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:51.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how you said it exactly.

550
00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:53.759
<v Speaker 1>But you're not special because everybody is.

551
00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:58.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, what a burden lifted, right, I mean, the

552
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:00.799
<v Speaker 2>minute you find out that you are as special as

553
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.319
<v Speaker 2>everybody else and you have your part to play and

554
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:07.759
<v Speaker 2>you'd better play it. But you know, no, biggie, if

555
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:14.039
<v Speaker 2>you don't, but really you should. Yeah, and they all have. Yeah,

556
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:17.559
<v Speaker 2>but it's it's not like the whole world is resting

557
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:18.559
<v Speaker 2>on your shoulders.

558
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

559
00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:22.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's other people out there that'll pick up the

560
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:23.559
<v Speaker 3>slack if you don't. Yeah.

561
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's room.

562
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:28.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a good way to put it. There's room. Yeah.

563
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And and and like you said, it's like we're

564
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:32.960
<v Speaker 1>all a piece of this puzzle, Like we all have

565
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:34.880
<v Speaker 1>a special part to play in this if we choose

566
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:37.519
<v Speaker 1>to participate. I think I think everybody is, you know,

567
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.559
<v Speaker 1>truly special, and especially like after going to Monroe. I mean,

568
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:46.519
<v Speaker 1>I I can't tell you that that I'm not a

569
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:49.279
<v Speaker 1>completely changed person since coming there and be telling you

570
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:51.359
<v Speaker 1>the truth, like just so many things that I learned there,

571
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:53.880
<v Speaker 1>like for example, another thing, not only things that I

572
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:57.680
<v Speaker 1>learned from you, right with Archie and Maya and teaching

573
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>us and communicating with all you guys. But then I'll

574
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.519
<v Speaker 1>so like out of body meditation messages coming through. And

575
00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:06.880
<v Speaker 1>one of them that came through was I had this

576
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:08.599
<v Speaker 1>question like why is this stuff happening to me?

577
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:09.079
<v Speaker 3>Right?

578
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:13.119
<v Speaker 1>And the other answer that came through, Oh no, no, no,

579
00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:14.480
<v Speaker 1>that's not quite how I happened. It was like I

580
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:17.599
<v Speaker 1>saw something and it was it was that night when

581
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:19.480
<v Speaker 1>I told you guys, like, oh my god, I saw

582
00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:22.240
<v Speaker 1>orbs in the sky tonight, right, a miracle in this guy.

583
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:24.079
<v Speaker 1>And then that night we all saw orbs. It was

584
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:27.200
<v Speaker 1>the last night and in my session when I was

585
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:28.519
<v Speaker 1>like out of body and I was seeing this stuff,

586
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:30.319
<v Speaker 1>I was doubting it. I was like I was doubting myself.

587
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:32.680
<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, no, no, that's that's not gonna happen.

588
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:34.559
<v Speaker 1>And my high self came through to me and it

589
00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:37.000
<v Speaker 1>was like, you need to stop doubting yourself, Like, it

590
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:39.279
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter if you think it's you know this or

591
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:42.519
<v Speaker 1>that it's real and you can't change it. You can't.

592
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.039
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter what reason you come up with why

593
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:47.400
<v Speaker 1>anything is happening this or that or the other, or

594
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:50.000
<v Speaker 1>what special label you assigned to anything. It doesn't matter,

595
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:53.839
<v Speaker 1>because it's happening. You just need to go with it,

596
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:56.000
<v Speaker 1>you know. And that was like, wow, I never thought

597
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:58.319
<v Speaker 1>about it like that. I really don't have to prove

598
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:01.640
<v Speaker 1>anything to myself just to accept that things do happen

599
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:04.279
<v Speaker 1>to me and it's okay, and I can't control if

600
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:05.880
<v Speaker 1>it does or doesn't, so I might as well just

601
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:08.400
<v Speaker 1>get up and keep going and accept it.

602
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:11.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's your free will right there, right.

603
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:13.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that makes sense. I've never really

604
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:14.960
<v Speaker 1>said that one out loud.

605
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.759
<v Speaker 3>But no, it definitely makes sense. That's something that we've

606
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:21.319
<v Speaker 3>talked about on the show before, where like in your

607
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:24.000
<v Speaker 3>life there have been points where you feel this need

608
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:27.400
<v Speaker 3>to just like prove prove it to people, and like

609
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:31.240
<v Speaker 3>I gotta make them believe, and like I gotta make

610
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:34.839
<v Speaker 3>them see what me and my family have been going

611
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:37.480
<v Speaker 3>through and they have to know that it's real and

612
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:41.720
<v Speaker 3>stuff like that. So I mean learning that, like it's happening,

613
00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:45.279
<v Speaker 3>it's okay, And you don't have anything to prove to anybody,

614
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:47.279
<v Speaker 3>not even yourself, not even yourself.

615
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:50.119
<v Speaker 1>I want, I needed to prove for me, you know,

616
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>but it's like, no, you don't. It's happening.

617
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:57.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, talk about healing. Yeah, that's that's a heavy

618
00:32:57.400 --> 00:32:59.000
<v Speaker 3>thing to carry it around, dude.

619
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.119
<v Speaker 1>It's like six days of that six six days of

620
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:05.440
<v Speaker 1>what like four or five hours a day, right, like meditating,

621
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:07.319
<v Speaker 1>and I mean it's crazy.

622
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's that's a that's a heavy thing to carry around.

623
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:13.759
<v Speaker 3>So like not having to carry that around anymore has

624
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:15.480
<v Speaker 3>got to have you feeling like your floating.

625
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:17.920
<v Speaker 1>I came back smiling. Yeah, I came back. I was like,

626
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:18.960
<v Speaker 1>what's up, guys, I'm home.

627
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:19.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. You know.

628
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:23.480
<v Speaker 1>It's funny. The day after our gateway, which by the way,

629
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:24.880
<v Speaker 1>I did miss two exits.

630
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that's right.

631
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:31.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Because for those listening at home, they tell us

632
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:33.200
<v Speaker 1>on the last day, they're like, you know, you need

633
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:39.359
<v Speaker 1>to uh ground. People have reported missing flights and getting stranded,

634
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:41.960
<v Speaker 1>missing exits on the highway. I literally missed two exits.

635
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:45.720
<v Speaker 1>The day after that, like literally twenty four hours after

636
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:49.559
<v Speaker 1>being home, we drove to Raleigh and we were together

637
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:51.640
<v Speaker 1>with like fifteen or twenty of our friends, maybe more

638
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:54.039
<v Speaker 1>like fifteen of our friends for his thirtieth birthday. And

639
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:57.119
<v Speaker 1>it was like this big party. I was so worried

640
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.000
<v Speaker 1>to go. I was so worried, like I'm not gonna

641
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:00.480
<v Speaker 1>be able to blend in. And I go there and

642
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I was just like, I love you all, I love everybody.

643
00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:09.000
<v Speaker 1>This is a fun, fun this is amazing. No, I

644
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:10.920
<v Speaker 1>was so worried. I was so worried the energy would

645
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:13.280
<v Speaker 1>clash and it didn't. And there was at one point

646
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:15.199
<v Speaker 1>in the night. I don't know if this is normal.

647
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you guys could, like I say, you guys could

648
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:20.079
<v Speaker 1>arcus Rand, but you're the one with the mic, so

649
00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:21.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't know if you could like comment

650
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.199
<v Speaker 1>on this, but like, definitely, for days after leaving, there

651
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:27.760
<v Speaker 1>was a lot of crying. Oh sure, yeah, a lot

652
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.599
<v Speaker 1>of crying. And that's not common for me. I grew

653
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:32.559
<v Speaker 1>up with a grandpa was like, you know, suck it up,

654
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:34.599
<v Speaker 1>like you don't cry, and to me, you know, it's

655
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:36.920
<v Speaker 1>like a thing. I'm not a big crier, but after

656
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Monroe that has completely changed. And yeah, it was like

657
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:44.159
<v Speaker 1>anytime I would think about it randomly, it would pop

658
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:45.840
<v Speaker 1>into my head and then I would just start crying

659
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:47.639
<v Speaker 1>and all these thoughts would come to me. It's like

660
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:49.639
<v Speaker 1>what if it was what if it was a one

661
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:52.800
<v Speaker 1>time thing? What if I never get to experience that again,

662
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:54.719
<v Speaker 1>and what if I never get to go back? Just

663
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:56.880
<v Speaker 1>all these thoughts cycling through my head and I would

664
00:34:56.920 --> 00:34:59.639
<v Speaker 1>get emotional. I know that's not true, right right, but

665
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:03.400
<v Speaker 1>it impacted me so much being there that it just,

666
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:05.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, just like open up this well of things.

667
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:07.519
<v Speaker 1>So there was one point at the night when I

668
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:09.159
<v Speaker 1>was at his birthday party where I had to step

669
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:11.400
<v Speaker 1>outside for a little bit because it popped into my

670
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:13.440
<v Speaker 1>head and I was like, I gotta go outside, and

671
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.719
<v Speaker 1>I went outside on the back porch. I sat down

672
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:18.000
<v Speaker 1>and I looked up and boom, I saw a norb

673
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:20.159
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I'm good and I went back inside.

674
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:25.280
<v Speaker 3>But were they I'm curious because like that's a big

675
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.920
<v Speaker 3>emotional release, and I mean obviously goodness, the amount of

676
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:33.519
<v Speaker 3>things that are happening to your emotional state while being there, Like,

677
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:38.480
<v Speaker 3>there's gotta be some residual feelings afterwards. Were they like

678
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:44.119
<v Speaker 3>sad tears, happy tears, fearful tears? Yeah, all of them,

679
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:45.199
<v Speaker 3>a combination of all.

680
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:48.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. It just kind of like opened

681
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:52.960
<v Speaker 1>you up. Yeah, it sounds like it really just unfound territory.

682
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:57.639
<v Speaker 3>It open I'm gonna reset you real.

683
00:35:57.840 --> 00:35:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Hey, at least it didn't say I eat you for

684
00:35:59.519 --> 00:35:59.880
<v Speaker 1>lunch or so.

685
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:02.400
<v Speaker 2>That would have been far more unsettling.

686
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:06.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is interesting that we're on the topic of

687
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:11.559
<v Speaker 3>like emotional state and being emotionally open and stuff. Being

688
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:16.920
<v Speaker 3>a psychotherapist, do you see a connection between like the

689
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:21.480
<v Speaker 3>emotional state and expanding consciousness, Like is there a profound

690
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:24.119
<v Speaker 3>connection there, because I've heard things like that.

691
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:25.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah for sure.

692
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:26.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

693
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:32.239
<v Speaker 2>I feel like what happens is when people expand their

694
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:37.239
<v Speaker 2>consciousness and they become more aware beyond the filter that

695
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:40.079
<v Speaker 2>they're normally using in every day, because that's a lot

696
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:43.360
<v Speaker 2>of it is our consciousness is and our brains are

697
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:47.159
<v Speaker 2>a kind of filter, and you know, once we start

698
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:49.280
<v Speaker 2>to loosen that filter a little bit and allow a

699
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:54.360
<v Speaker 2>little bit more in then something kind of like what

700
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Ryan is describing, where you were able to let go

701
00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:01.559
<v Speaker 2>and release and cry and that wasn't a sad cry,

702
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:06.920
<v Speaker 2>it was a free cry. It was something releasing, yeah,

703
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:11.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, and loosening. And one of the things

704
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:13.000
<v Speaker 2>that I was thinking about when you were talking is

705
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:18.320
<v Speaker 2>that the reality hasn't changed, but your relationship to your reality,

706
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:22.119
<v Speaker 2>your relationship to all of the phenomena that you've experienced

707
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:25.920
<v Speaker 2>in your life, has changed. And it sounds to me

708
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.880
<v Speaker 2>anyway like it's gotten a bit lighter, it's more joyful.

709
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:31.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, lighter.

710
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, I mean he's a perfect example. I think

711
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:36.920
<v Speaker 2>of the expansion of consciousness and how that can affect

712
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.199
<v Speaker 2>the emotional state absolutely daily.

713
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:45.920
<v Speaker 3>I wonder also about about if different emotional states could

714
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:51.760
<v Speaker 3>cause like a different experience with expanding your consciousness, Like

715
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:58.199
<v Speaker 3>if being in a sad or depressed emotional state would

716
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:02.000
<v Speaker 3>make it more difficult or maybe easier, or you know,

717
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:05.639
<v Speaker 3>I just I wonder if there's a connection between the

718
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:09.920
<v Speaker 3>emotional state and consciousness in general. That's just something I

719
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:10.480
<v Speaker 3>think about.

720
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:15.960
<v Speaker 2>I think one thing that we've seen, especially in you know,

721
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:20.320
<v Speaker 2>the psychotherapeutic world is that if somebody has had a

722
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:26.079
<v Speaker 2>lot of trauma in their life, and if they're way

723
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:29.679
<v Speaker 2>of relating, for instance, maybe they have a lot of

724
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:34.239
<v Speaker 2>huge emotional ups and downs many times, not always, but

725
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:37.960
<v Speaker 2>many times. Sometimes when they have sort of altered states

726
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:41.440
<v Speaker 2>of consciousness, the stuff they experience might be a little

727
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:45.559
<v Speaker 2>more frightening, you know, So they're kind of going into

728
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:50.239
<v Speaker 2>it with maybe a kind of a chaotic or disorganized

729
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:55.239
<v Speaker 2>or a generally frightened aspect to them in an emotional state.

730
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:59.800
<v Speaker 2>And then when they are in a state of consciousness

731
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:03.079
<v Speaker 2>which the very speed of their thoughts it's determining their

732
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:06.679
<v Speaker 2>reality and what they're observing, then what they're going to

733
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:14.280
<v Speaker 2>create or experience might become more frightening to them. And

734
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:17.760
<v Speaker 2>then the opposite can be true, right, is that if

735
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:21.159
<v Speaker 2>you're feeling really, really wide open, then you might have

736
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:27.039
<v Speaker 2>a lot more light experiences. However, I also think, and

737
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:30.320
<v Speaker 2>I could say this from personal experience too, maybe you

738
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:33.039
<v Speaker 2>guys too, if you've done some of this, But like,

739
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:37.119
<v Speaker 2>if I go into a meditation or some kind of

740
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:41.440
<v Speaker 2>asking for guidance or whatever, and I'm miserable and at

741
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:46.000
<v Speaker 2>the the bottom of my barrel, or whatever. Sometimes that's

742
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:50.840
<v Speaker 2>exactly the time when I get that helping hand, you know,

743
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:53.880
<v Speaker 2>and it feels like a blessing, like something has come

744
00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:58.000
<v Speaker 2>to me to help. So it does vary a lot.

745
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:02.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, certainly it has to. Everybody's so different. Yeah,

746
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:06.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure this stuff is more difficult. I mean, do

747
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.440
<v Speaker 3>you guys notice that that, like some people have a

748
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:13.440
<v Speaker 3>harder time expanding their consciousness or breaking into some of

749
00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:14.880
<v Speaker 3>these like the focuses and.

750
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:16.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah for sure.

751
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even I noticed that. What did you notice just

752
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:23.840
<v Speaker 1>people around us like giving us feedback at debriefs, being like, well,

753
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:26.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, I kind of have maybe have a little resistance.

754
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:31.920
<v Speaker 2>People who are hard you know, really hardcore skeptics, people

755
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:35.119
<v Speaker 2>who think that they want to know but actually have

756
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:39.199
<v Speaker 2>a lot of barriers and that kind of stuff, they

757
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:43.760
<v Speaker 2>will have a harder time. Yeah, but it's not to

758
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:45.960
<v Speaker 2>say that this is just the power of suggestions. So

759
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:48.559
<v Speaker 2>if you're really suggestible and ready and wide open to

760
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:52.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, see angels, that then you're going to see

761
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:57.760
<v Speaker 2>angels and that's all you needed. But yeah, definitely I

762
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:01.199
<v Speaker 2>think that and also people who go when expecting an

763
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:05.039
<v Speaker 2>afraid of what they're going to see might see it

764
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.320
<v Speaker 2>or interpret and maybe that's the real thing, is the interpretation.

765
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:13.559
<v Speaker 2>The interpretation of the phenomena is maybe the most important part.

766
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:16.920
<v Speaker 2>So if you're afraid, you may interpret what you see

767
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:18.000
<v Speaker 2>as something fearful.

768
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:21.519
<v Speaker 1>Sure, yeah, yeah, that's crazy because that first time that

769
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:24.119
<v Speaker 1>I had the out of body experience, and then I

770
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:27.239
<v Speaker 1>talked to you in the cafeteria after and you were like, no,

771
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:29.559
<v Speaker 1>you're fine. It's totally normal to be, you know, freaked

772
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:31.960
<v Speaker 1>out by that or whatever, and you know everybody is

773
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:36.760
<v Speaker 1>at first, and I'm like, oh, yeah, it came to

774
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:42.079
<v Speaker 1>me in meditation right to alter my affirmation, just not

775
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:44.320
<v Speaker 1>to change it, but to add to it. Because Archie

776
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:46.599
<v Speaker 1>said on day one, you can add to it whatever

777
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:48.519
<v Speaker 1>you want to add to it, right, say the four

778
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:50.599
<v Speaker 1>You can boil it down, you can stretch it up,

779
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:52.639
<v Speaker 1>you can sell that the affirmation however you want to

780
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:54.440
<v Speaker 1>say it. You just have to hit the four core points.

781
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:57.559
<v Speaker 1>So I was like, let me add a fifth core point, right,

782
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:01.360
<v Speaker 1>and mine was I will see without fear. So from

783
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:03.840
<v Speaker 1>then on, when I started having these out of body

784
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:07.000
<v Speaker 1>experiences at the institute, I started saying, I will see

785
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:09.760
<v Speaker 1>without fear, I will see without fear. It's okay, I

786
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:14.079
<v Speaker 1>will see this, you know, phenomenon that I'm observing without

787
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:17.320
<v Speaker 1>fear suggesting it to myself. And it did help. And

788
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:20.239
<v Speaker 1>the first time that I spontaneously went out of body

789
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:24.760
<v Speaker 1>laying in bed at the house, I wouldn't necessarily say

790
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:26.800
<v Speaker 1>it was the kind of experience where like I'm out

791
00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:29.719
<v Speaker 1>of my body and I'm walking around. I was like,

792
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:32.480
<v Speaker 1>it was like, I'll describe it to you. Maybe you'll

793
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:35.760
<v Speaker 1>have some input on this. Yeah, It's like I'm laying

794
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:38.239
<v Speaker 1>there and you know, if you close your eyes you

795
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:41.960
<v Speaker 1>can still see, right. But you know, is really weird

796
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.599
<v Speaker 1>now that I think about it. Two nights ago, when

797
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:47.480
<v Speaker 1>I started to go out of body, I just remembered this.

798
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:49.400
<v Speaker 1>I could see the wall with my eyes closed.

799
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:51.840
<v Speaker 3>Wow is that normal? Yeah?

800
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:56.679
<v Speaker 1>No, well normal, No. I just it just came to

801
00:42:56.719 --> 00:42:58.480
<v Speaker 1>me as I was telling this, like I could see

802
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:00.159
<v Speaker 1>the wall with my eyes closed, and then I you

803
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:02.360
<v Speaker 1>know the hand thing that I tell an Archet episode, Right,

804
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:05.840
<v Speaker 1>But the first time this happened after the Creator program

805
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:10.159
<v Speaker 1>was about two months ago. And I'm laying there and

806
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:12.039
<v Speaker 1>like I said, even when your eyes closed, you can

807
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:14.280
<v Speaker 1>see because you can see in your mind's eye, right,

808
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:16.159
<v Speaker 1>obviously you can't see with your eyes, but you can

809
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:18.400
<v Speaker 1>see with your mind. And the vision that I could

810
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:21.639
<v Speaker 1>see in my mind started, it just kind of started

811
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:24.199
<v Speaker 1>like not a literal snake, right, but it started slithering

812
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:27.840
<v Speaker 1>like my mind was going on this like wavy pattern,

813
00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:29.519
<v Speaker 1>and it felt like it was changing. And next thing

814
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:32.119
<v Speaker 1>I knew, I was downstairs in my dining room, and

815
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:34.880
<v Speaker 1>I was like, WHOA, this is weird. And I looked

816
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:37.159
<v Speaker 1>at my dining room and this is the strangest thing.

817
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:39.719
<v Speaker 1>But I'm just gonna tell exactly what I saw. I

818
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:43.199
<v Speaker 1>saw myself, but I looked like a clown, but like

819
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:47.199
<v Speaker 1>a scary clown. What And he turned. He had long

820
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:49.199
<v Speaker 1>black hair and it was me with like this white paint.

821
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:50.960
<v Speaker 1>And he turned and he looked at me, and he

822
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:53.519
<v Speaker 1>put his finger to his mouth and he went like,

823
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:55.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of like I don't know, like be

824
00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:58.960
<v Speaker 1>quiet or something. I don't know. And then it changed

825
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.079
<v Speaker 1>and I wasn't seeing myself anymore. I was seeing this

826
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:05.599
<v Speaker 1>strange machine. Like if you've ever seen the movie Howel's

827
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:08.599
<v Speaker 1>Moving Castle, it's like a Japanese animated film. You know

828
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:11.599
<v Speaker 1>you've seen it or you seeing it? He said, yes,

829
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:15.119
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's a it's a it's a Japanese animated movie,

830
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:17.519
<v Speaker 1>but it's really good. And it was like produced by Disney,

831
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:22.519
<v Speaker 1>and it's this Wizard's Castle and this Wizard's Castle is

832
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:26.199
<v Speaker 1>like this machine and it's really weird and it's like

833
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:28.960
<v Speaker 1>this abstract thing that has all these like weird cod

834
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:32.239
<v Speaker 1>parts and yeah, it's a weird thing. And I was

835
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:35.559
<v Speaker 1>seeing a machine like that, like that was so abstract

836
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:37.440
<v Speaker 1>that it was just kind of had all these whistles

837
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:40.239
<v Speaker 1>and pistons and things, and it was like really like

838
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:44.239
<v Speaker 1>aggressively doing all this mechanical stuff. And this information was

839
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:46.400
<v Speaker 1>coming to me that I was being like tuned up.

840
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:50.719
<v Speaker 1>And then it changed, and then the vision changed and

841
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:54.199
<v Speaker 1>I saw this stone statue and it had its hands

842
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:56.599
<v Speaker 1>up like a Hindu deity, and its tongue was out

843
00:44:56.639 --> 00:45:00.639
<v Speaker 1>and it had these wide eyes, and uh, it's shocked me.

844
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:02.920
<v Speaker 1>And I could see the stone texture and everything, and

845
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:05.079
<v Speaker 1>it just shocked me, and I went back into my body.

846
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:06.960
<v Speaker 1>The next day, I was so perturbed by this. I

847
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:09.320
<v Speaker 1>was like, what the heck was that stone statue? I

848
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:11.800
<v Speaker 1>started looking up Hindu deities right with the with the

849
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:14.960
<v Speaker 1>tongue out and the eyes wide and I found out

850
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.320
<v Speaker 1>it's Collie. I was like, oh great, doesn't she wear

851
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:22.360
<v Speaker 1>baby necklaces? Baby skull necklaces? No, seriously, like in Hindu mythology,

852
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:27.320
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'm talking about death, the goddess of death. Ye, darkness.

853
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:31.840
<v Speaker 1>But you know, there is a view, and I guess

854
00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:35.320
<v Speaker 1>you could say, like Buddhism or Hinduism, that the more

855
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:40.079
<v Speaker 1>shocking the image or the vision or the supernatural experience,

856
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:45.679
<v Speaker 1>the more uh aggressively it's dissolving your ego.

857
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:47.519
<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, you know.

858
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:50.599
<v Speaker 1>And what's really strange is a week before I had

859
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:53.000
<v Speaker 1>this out of body experience, something was sent to me

860
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:54.800
<v Speaker 1>in the mail. Let's take a look at what it was.

861
00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:58.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what it is.

862
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:02.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh, whoa, it's a pyramid by a gentleman named Meta

863
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Mancy on Instagram. Look at the bottom. Who's that?

864
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh? Yeah wait what with the baby's necklace? Yeah?

865
00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:22.000
<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, no way. So I was freaked out a

866
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.559
<v Speaker 1>little bit. Whoa, So I started digging what does this mean?

867
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:27.400
<v Speaker 1>What does this mean? Oh? It's you know, it's fine.

868
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:29.880
<v Speaker 1>The more shocking the image, the more it ceased to

869
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:30.719
<v Speaker 1>dissolve your ego.

870
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:36.920
<v Speaker 3>Like wow, this like energetically permeated your vision.

871
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:37.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

872
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:40.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I'm I'm kind of working on a theory

873
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:43.519
<v Speaker 1>right now that like it's important to learn to see

874
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:46.159
<v Speaker 1>without fear, you know, like you you know, sometimes things

875
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:49.039
<v Speaker 1>can be frightening, but maybe it's okay, Maybe it's a test,

876
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:52.599
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it serves to break down your barriers you have

877
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.039
<v Speaker 1>in your mind. I don't know, it's just theories, right,

878
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:57.000
<v Speaker 1>But I don't even know how he got here.

879
00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:01.320
<v Speaker 3>But it's a magic journey that we're on, my friend.

880
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:04.960
<v Speaker 3>We just we just go where it takes, where the

881
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:05.840
<v Speaker 3>energy takes us.

882
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:07.000
<v Speaker 1>What's your take on that.

883
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, no, no, no, you you mentioned something earlier

884
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:14.039
<v Speaker 3>about there was Lifeline. We were talking about Lifeline and

885
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:15.079
<v Speaker 3>then you said that you do.

886
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:20.599
<v Speaker 2>Was it reliefs or oh right, retrievals?

887
00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:24.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, retrieval what what is? What is that?

888
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:29.480
<v Speaker 3>Because lifeline is remind me what lifeline is? She should Yeah,

889
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:32.559
<v Speaker 3>you're right, I've never done fair. Yeah.

890
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I took Lifeline. It's a graduate program at Monroe

891
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:40.920
<v Speaker 2>and it is a program that's based primarily with a

892
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:47.519
<v Speaker 2>service orientation, with the idea that we're taught essentially how

893
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:50.800
<v Speaker 2>to go into other states of consciousness and be able

894
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:55.320
<v Speaker 2>to find and locate in those states of consciousness, if

895
00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:57.840
<v Speaker 2>you want to say, the souls or the consciousness of

896
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:00.239
<v Speaker 2>people who may have died and are not away air

897
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:00.559
<v Speaker 2>of it.

898
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:05.639
<v Speaker 3>Right. I heard about this vaguely. I would love to

899
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:09.000
<v Speaker 3>hear more about this. That is beyond fascinating.

900
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a for me anyway. It was a really

901
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:14.760
<v Speaker 2>profound program. It was one of the ones that I

902
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:21.960
<v Speaker 2>was really dying, dying, come on, I really wanted to

903
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:25.840
<v Speaker 2>take and it met all of my hopes and everything

904
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:29.400
<v Speaker 2>because we were taught how to get to a state

905
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:33.000
<v Speaker 2>of consciousness in which we might be able to locate

906
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:37.280
<v Speaker 2>or find those people. And then there are several states

907
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:44.840
<v Speaker 2>between that called the belief system territories, where in the

908
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:47.199
<v Speaker 2>past podcast with Archie we were talking a little bit

909
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:51.320
<v Speaker 2>about what people like expect when they die, and these

910
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:54.960
<v Speaker 2>belief system territories could be described as that. So it

911
00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:59.800
<v Speaker 2>could encompass anything anything, whether it's a Christianity or whether

912
00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:02.360
<v Speaker 2>it's Buddhism, or whether it's nothing or whether you know,

913
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:06.239
<v Speaker 2>no matter what it is, if people are thinking strongly

914
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:08.840
<v Speaker 2>enough and believing strongly enough that that is what's going

915
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:11.239
<v Speaker 2>to happen, then that is what their consciousness will create.

916
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.519
<v Speaker 2>And so in those states of consciousness, those are the

917
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:15.840
<v Speaker 2>belief system territories.

918
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:18.800
<v Speaker 1>So it's like thought forms, right, kind of like we

919
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:21.360
<v Speaker 1>can be trapped in thought forms of fear at death

920
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:23.360
<v Speaker 1>if we have bad ideas about death.

921
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Right we could, right, we couldn't you help those people? Yes?

922
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Yea?

923
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:31.119
<v Speaker 2>And it could be people who aren't aware, like as

924
00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:34.480
<v Speaker 2>you were talking about. I think then where you don't

925
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:36.079
<v Speaker 2>believe in anything, so you still think you're in your

926
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:41.039
<v Speaker 2>physical body and you've got a ghost, right, And so

927
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:46.840
<v Speaker 2>that's a possibility. And then there is an area beyond

928
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:52.559
<v Speaker 2>that that is essentially human created, created by human consciousness,

929
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:55.519
<v Speaker 2>called the park, and that is a place of rest

930
00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:59.920
<v Speaker 2>and regeneration for souls to go to after they've died.

931
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:00.559
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

932
00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:05.360
<v Speaker 2>So what we do is we go to that place,

933
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:08.400
<v Speaker 2>we find people that might be stuck, and then we

934
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:14.760
<v Speaker 2>bring them through the belief system territories and essentially the

935
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:17.079
<v Speaker 2>idea is to get them to the park where they

936
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:20.440
<v Speaker 2>can be greeted by souls that are there to do

937
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:25.360
<v Speaker 2>just that and take care of them, and then they

938
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:27.840
<v Speaker 2>can rest and just go on their merry way. We

939
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:30.079
<v Speaker 2>just sort of drop them off there if you will.

940
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:34.920
<v Speaker 2>But sometimes what happens, and why I'm describing the belief

941
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:38.800
<v Speaker 2>system territories is that if that person's beliefs had been

942
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:41.639
<v Speaker 2>strong enough, they don't always get all the way to

943
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:45.000
<v Speaker 2>the park. Sometimes they kind of drop off into those territories.

944
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:49.679
<v Speaker 2>And that's okay because now they're not stuck. They're just

945
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:53.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, at a different place. But so we're in

946
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:56.199
<v Speaker 2>this other state and learning to do that. And the

947
00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:59.360
<v Speaker 2>reason why I wanted to do that so much was

948
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:04.320
<v Speaker 2>because after learning how to do that, I would go

949
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:11.639
<v Speaker 2>to places that were kind of famously haunted. So I

950
00:51:11.679 --> 00:51:15.039
<v Speaker 2>spent time in Fredericksburg, Virginia, where they're both the Revolutionary

951
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:17.159
<v Speaker 2>War and the Civil War had been fought and there

952
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:19.840
<v Speaker 2>had been battles there, or going to the Civil War

953
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:24.239
<v Speaker 2>battlefields and kind of helping people out and just going

954
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:27.360
<v Speaker 2>into that state while you know, sitting in the field

955
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:33.039
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. And then the other thing that once you

956
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:36.599
<v Speaker 2>learn those skills, if someone close to me has died

957
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:41.760
<v Speaker 2>and I'm concerned because of who they were in this life,

958
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:45.119
<v Speaker 2>then I would at least feel like I could have

959
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:48.880
<v Speaker 2>the ability to go and check on them, make sure

960
00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:54.880
<v Speaker 2>they were kind of not stuck. So it's a service,

961
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:57.920
<v Speaker 2>and it's one that's really really meaningful to me. But

962
00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:02.360
<v Speaker 2>it's also empowering because you know, I mean, you start

963
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:06.239
<v Speaker 2>to realize that all all everybody needs is love and

964
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:08.079
<v Speaker 2>helping hand really.

965
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:09.639
<v Speaker 1>Everyone.

966
00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:14.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wow, yeah, gosh.

967
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:17.679
<v Speaker 3>That's so profound and what a cool thing. Yeah, the

968
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:23.039
<v Speaker 3>service aspect of it, like with great power comes great

969
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:27.519
<v Speaker 3>responsibility kind of thing. That's I find that really admirable

970
00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:30.719
<v Speaker 3>because you could do this kind of stuff and have

971
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:37.320
<v Speaker 3>these experiences and explore and but to have the opportunity

972
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:42.559
<v Speaker 3>to reach out and help beyond the physical realm is like,

973
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:45.199
<v Speaker 3>it's so mind blowing. I don't think there's enough people

974
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:48.840
<v Speaker 3>submitting applications for that job. I think I think we

975
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:52.800
<v Speaker 3>need a lot of people on that on that job.

976
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:53.719
<v Speaker 1>It's hardcore.

977
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:55.760
<v Speaker 3>That's incredible.

978
00:52:56.760 --> 00:53:00.440
<v Speaker 2>One thing that was really cool that kind of blew

979
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:03.039
<v Speaker 2>me away, and I can't remember. I think it was

980
00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:06.280
<v Speaker 2>after taking Lifeline. You guys may have seen this, but

981
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:08.960
<v Speaker 2>it was a I think it was a Brazilian movie

982
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:10.039
<v Speaker 2>called astral City.

983
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:11.039
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen it.

984
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:13.480
<v Speaker 3>Astral City, I don't, I don't.

985
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Think so much. And it was about a man, a

986
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:22.039
<v Speaker 2>doctor who died and it followed his life in the afterlife,

987
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:25.760
<v Speaker 2>and this was a movie that was based on channeled material.

988
00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh and so it followed his life in the afterlife.

989
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:35.760
<v Speaker 2>They interestingly, for what it's worth, they called him a suicide,

990
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:40.639
<v Speaker 2>even though he hadn't actively committed suicide, but because he

991
00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:45.760
<v Speaker 2>so completely ignored his health issues, they still called it

992
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:48.800
<v Speaker 2>that wow in the afterlife and he had to kind

993
00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:51.719
<v Speaker 2>of he had this experience that we're talking about today,

994
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:54.320
<v Speaker 2>where at first, because he didn't believe in anything and

995
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:58.719
<v Speaker 2>he'd been negative enough and bad tempered enough when he died,

996
00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:03.239
<v Speaker 2>his experience was one of darkness and was really scary,

997
00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:06.440
<v Speaker 2>and he had to sort of awaken and open his

998
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:10.599
<v Speaker 2>eyes in order to move ahead and beyond. But what

999
00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:14.039
<v Speaker 2>really hit me was that once he got into what's

1000
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:17.760
<v Speaker 2>called the astral City and he started being of service

1001
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:21.519
<v Speaker 2>and learning to help other souls that had departed, it

1002
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:27.920
<v Speaker 2>looked in so many ways like the Park. Yeah, And

1003
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:31.960
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my gosh, like, look, there's a

1004
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:34.679
<v Speaker 2>real similarity. And man, you can't make this stuff up.

1005
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:37.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I have so many questions now, like

1006
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:41.920
<v Speaker 1>are there ever any moments when you're doing like retrievals

1007
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:44.480
<v Speaker 1>or lifeline type you know, meditations.

1008
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:46.039
<v Speaker 3>Are there.

1009
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:49.159
<v Speaker 1>Are there any spirits or whatever you want to call

1010
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:52.639
<v Speaker 1>them in particular that you've spoken to on more than

1011
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:53.239
<v Speaker 1>one occasion?

1012
00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:58.679
<v Speaker 2>Do you mean like people that I was helping.

1013
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:04.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, like day days a part of me, like

1014
00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:07.239
<v Speaker 1>different days, like oh you know what I mean, Like

1015
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:11.480
<v Speaker 1>any familiar I'm just curious, like I'm curious about the

1016
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:15.440
<v Speaker 1>connection or the relationship that could be made on the

1017
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:20.159
<v Speaker 1>other side, that that could go on. If that makes sense.

1018
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's possible.

1019
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:26.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Oh absolutely, yes. I had been married, my husband

1020
00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:30.280
<v Speaker 2>died and I was able to contact with him, and

1021
00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:34.880
<v Speaker 2>same with my a niece of mine and my mother.

1022
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:40.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh so yeah, Okay, now I'm starting to get the

1023
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:42.480
<v Speaker 1>sense of like why this is such meaningful work to you?

1024
00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:48.320
<v Speaker 2>That's yes. I mean my mother died before for me

1025
00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:50.960
<v Speaker 2>taking lifeline, and my niece did too, And in my

1026
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:53.119
<v Speaker 2>first lifeline I saw both of them.

1027
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:56.880
<v Speaker 3>Yehow you were you were you trying to see them?

1028
00:55:57.400 --> 00:55:57.559
<v Speaker 2>No?

1029
00:55:58.079 --> 00:55:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, we're just there.

1030
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my niece especially, Yeah, were they.

1031
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:05.599
<v Speaker 1>Like aware of you trying to get to that place

1032
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:08.320
<v Speaker 1>like me? I don't want to prive it's personal.

1033
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:11.599
<v Speaker 2>Not at all. No, I mean they were really just

1034
00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:17.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of hanging out, and I find that I found

1035
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:29.079
<v Speaker 2>that more reassuring. Like Mom was busy. I got this

1036
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:31.280
<v Speaker 2>impression she was kind of like a tour guide at

1037
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:35.440
<v Speaker 2>a museum. I mean, you know, yeah, that is fascinating.

1038
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:41.280
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if you even could find some soul, a

1039
00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:46.760
<v Speaker 3>specific person's soul intentionally in that place, how would that

1040
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:52.039
<v Speaker 3>even work. It's just it's the whole the lifeline stuff

1041
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:53.000
<v Speaker 3>is really fascinating.

1042
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:55.480
<v Speaker 1>It's so fascinating, man. And and this just came through

1043
00:56:55.480 --> 00:56:57.239
<v Speaker 1>to me earlier, but it's like, how crazy, Like I

1044
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:00.320
<v Speaker 1>feel like this is such an amazing conversation, and right

1045
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:03.199
<v Speaker 1>now in the month of October, like you know, Halloween

1046
00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:06.280
<v Speaker 1>around the corner, Yeah it is. And it just feels

1047
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:08.599
<v Speaker 1>so like festive to even be talking about such a

1048
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:11.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't mean strange in a bad way, but such

1049
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:14.199
<v Speaker 1>a like bizarre topic. You know, I don't know, like

1050
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:16.559
<v Speaker 1>me and Jenny have been watching spooky movies, but this

1051
00:57:16.639 --> 00:57:19.119
<v Speaker 1>is riveting stuff. Like there's so many questions that come

1052
00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:20.119
<v Speaker 1>to my mind about this.

1053
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:22.719
<v Speaker 4>So on the topic of Halloween, though, do you think

1054
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:29.199
<v Speaker 4>that doing a lifeline on Halloween or on these solstices

1055
00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:32.159
<v Speaker 4>where the veil is thinner, do you do you have

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00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:37.639
<v Speaker 4>you had or witnessed a change in the connection or

1057
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:41.960
<v Speaker 4>do you think it has an effect on on I

1058
00:57:41.960 --> 00:57:44.280
<v Speaker 4>mean either lifeline or gateway as a whole, or any

1059
00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:48.440
<v Speaker 4>of them. In row practices, ours was a solstice, remember

1060
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:50.480
<v Speaker 4>in June, it was the solstice.

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00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:59.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we had that. I wouldn't be surprised, especially at

1062
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:04.559
<v Speaker 2>those those thin places, as they say, But I would

1063
00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:10.840
<v Speaker 2>say from my own experience, though, that my intent counted

1064
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:12.000
<v Speaker 2>for more than anything else.

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00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think that's a great answer. Yeah, yeah, I

1066
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:20.519
<v Speaker 1>think that's true for everything, right, Like those things don't

1067
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:26.400
<v Speaker 1>necessarily matter, But then again, it's like they do. You know,

1068
00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:28.920
<v Speaker 1>it's weird. You know, on a full moon we have

1069
00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:30.159
<v Speaker 1>trouble sleeping, and.

1070
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:35.360
<v Speaker 3>Well the traditional stories about these like solstices and like

1071
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:38.760
<v Speaker 3>all hollows eve and like whatever. Is that just like

1072
00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:43.679
<v Speaker 3>random weirdness occurs, right, Yeah, things just kind of slip

1073
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:46.400
<v Speaker 3>through and stuff like that. But I think what you

1074
00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:49.840
<v Speaker 3>said about like your intention counted more than anything else,

1075
00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:54.880
<v Speaker 3>that's really the kicker, Like, you know, the random stuff happening.

1076
00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:57.159
<v Speaker 3>Who knows, maybe it's a thing, maybe it's real, maybe

1077
00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:01.239
<v Speaker 3>it's not, But the truth is the intentional get you

1078
00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:01.639
<v Speaker 3>there now?

1079
00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Your consciousness that kind of focuses it all.

1080
00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:04.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1081
00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:08.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And if there's more random weirdness, all you're doing

1082
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:10.320
<v Speaker 2>is focusing more of that maybe, right.

1083
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:13.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, It's like it don't matter if it's

1084
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:16.199
<v Speaker 3>spooky day or not, Like your intentional gets you there.

1085
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:20.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, that is so cool. So you said it's empowering,

1086
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:25.519
<v Speaker 1>like you know, doing the retrieval work, and I'm just curious,

1087
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:31.079
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm curious about the changes that came over time,

1088
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:37.360
<v Speaker 1>about like how you viewed your relationship to yourself and

1089
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:41.559
<v Speaker 1>the universe big picture when you started to have proof

1090
00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:43.920
<v Speaker 1>of communication with the other side, you know, you're doing

1091
00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:45.840
<v Speaker 1>the lifeline work and all that, Like how did your

1092
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:49.639
<v Speaker 1>thoughts about things generally change?

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00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:56.280
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I don't know that my lifeline work changed a

1094
00:59:56.320 --> 00:59:58.840
<v Speaker 2>whole lot. Has changed a whole lot for me in

1095
00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:03.840
<v Speaker 2>terms of my relationship, and I think that's because those

1096
01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:05.599
<v Speaker 2>were some of the things that ever since I was

1097
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:13.639
<v Speaker 2>a little kid, I was always seeing others and or

1098
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:16.400
<v Speaker 2>feeling them or sensing them. It was such a part

1099
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:20.480
<v Speaker 2>of my life. So this lifeline was kind of like

1100
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:26.360
<v Speaker 2>giving me the tools to do something with it. Yeah,

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01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:31.239
<v Speaker 2>I do think that some of the other programs helped me,

1102
01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:39.239
<v Speaker 2>helped empower me and give me the tools to sort

1103
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:42.159
<v Speaker 2>of live out that life of service or what I'm

1104
01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:45.960
<v Speaker 2>trying to be and kind of like what you were

1105
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:49.920
<v Speaker 2>talking about of also understanding what it is to not

1106
01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:53.960
<v Speaker 2>be special, to just have my task. All I have

1107
01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:56.639
<v Speaker 2>to do is this task and the rest. Try to

1108
01:00:56.639 --> 01:00:57.920
<v Speaker 2>get some joy while you're here.

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01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:01.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just do your.

1110
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Part and then try to get try to have some joy. Yeah,

1111
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:06.559
<v Speaker 2>as best you can.

1112
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:09.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not all on you. Just you play your part.

1113
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:12.559
<v Speaker 3>If you're a cog in the wheel, that's just as

1114
01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:16.239
<v Speaker 3>important as every other cog in the wheel. Yeah, there's true,

1115
01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:17.480
<v Speaker 3>really beautiful about that.

1116
01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:20.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's so much less to fear. And then the

1117
01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:23.679
<v Speaker 2>less you fear, the more everything opens up to Yeah.

1118
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:25.880
<v Speaker 1>The more you attract. That's that's a hard lesson to learn.

1119
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:28.199
<v Speaker 1>That's like threading a needle, you know, it's it's very

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01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:30.480
<v Speaker 1>hard to learn. Have you done MC squared?

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01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:31.280
<v Speaker 2>I have not.

1122
01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:32.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm very curious about that one.

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01:01:33.679 --> 01:01:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's your next one.

1124
01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:40.639
<v Speaker 1>Well, they can godline conversation, but that's you know, well,

1125
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:43.320
<v Speaker 1>we'll see if we'll see if the universe aligns there.

1126
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:45.039
<v Speaker 3>What's the deal with MC squared.

1127
01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:48.039
<v Speaker 1>That's like energy. I mean, you could probably fill in

1128
01:01:48.079 --> 01:01:51.000
<v Speaker 1>a little more, right. It's like basically like spoon bending

1129
01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:54.559
<v Speaker 1>type stuff and like using your mind to like kind

1130
01:01:54.599 --> 01:02:01.880
<v Speaker 1>of like alter things. Light bulbs, light bulbs, psycho it's

1131
01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:06.280
<v Speaker 1>like psychoconesis type stuff. Like it's a program. It's called

1132
01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:09.000
<v Speaker 1>MC squared. I'm not sure what that stands for, but

1133
01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:11.199
<v Speaker 1>that one really resonated with me. I definitely want to

1134
01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:14.599
<v Speaker 1>take that one. And Guidelines. I was going through the

1135
01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:16.679
<v Speaker 1>website the other day because I had to do a

1136
01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:21.360
<v Speaker 1>research assignment for an undisclosed Monroe project I'm working on,

1137
01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:24.719
<v Speaker 1>and I was just reading all the different programs and

1138
01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:27.639
<v Speaker 1>going through them, and I was just like, oh my god, guidelines.

1139
01:02:27.679 --> 01:02:29.800
<v Speaker 1>This is perfect. This appeals to me. And it's basically

1140
01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:33.760
<v Speaker 1>it's a whole program. There's there's guidelines, there's Lifeline, which

1141
01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:36.800
<v Speaker 1>is what we've been talking about. There's Heartline, which I

1142
01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:39.199
<v Speaker 1>guess that's like what being more heart centered.

1143
01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:40.840
<v Speaker 2>It's all about unconditional love.

1144
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and then I think that's all the lines

1145
01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:46.760
<v Speaker 1>unless I'm mistaken.

1146
01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:51.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And MC squared is Manifestation and Create Creations squared

1147
01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:56.079
<v Speaker 2>and what I think what it really is about it's

1148
01:02:56.239 --> 01:02:59.280
<v Speaker 2>it's the spoon bending and the lighting of bulbs is

1149
01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:05.079
<v Speaker 2>away of showing us in the physical how much we

1150
01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:09.360
<v Speaker 2>are able to manifest and change create, Right, that's the

1151
01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:11.800
<v Speaker 2>principle behind it. But that's like showing you.

1152
01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:17.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I very very poorly paraphrased it. You know,

1153
01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:21.239
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's amazing stuff. It's amazing stuff. And then

1154
01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:24.760
<v Speaker 1>guidelines is like, by the way, for those listening, these

1155
01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:28.440
<v Speaker 1>are all things that are after Gateway, right, So like

1156
01:03:28.599 --> 01:03:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Gateway is ground zero, like that's where you start. That's

1157
01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:34.039
<v Speaker 1>where if anybody out there is like super interested Monroe

1158
01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:37.000
<v Speaker 1>and you want to dive in Gateway, right, And then

1159
01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:39.880
<v Speaker 1>they have all these programs after Gateway. That's like, wow,

1160
01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:43.320
<v Speaker 1>this is cool. I can you know, help the dead

1161
01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:45.960
<v Speaker 1>crossover to the other side. I can you know, binspoons

1162
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:50.199
<v Speaker 1>with my mind and have tangible proof of the manifestations

1163
01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:54.599
<v Speaker 1>through my will you know? Or you have guidelines, which

1164
01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:58.360
<v Speaker 1>is like where you connect with your guides or personal

1165
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:02.000
<v Speaker 1>guides and receive communication from them.

1166
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:06.519
<v Speaker 3>And that's something I've always been fascinated. Yeah. I want

1167
01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:09.199
<v Speaker 3>to meet them. Yeah, I want to meet guys.

1168
01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:13.760
<v Speaker 2>They're there, have a word with them.

1169
01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:17.639
<v Speaker 3>I just want to be like, thanks, Homie, I appreciate

1170
01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:20.800
<v Speaker 3>your dog, but I just want to talk to them.

1171
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:22.639
<v Speaker 3>I know they're.

1172
01:04:22.480 --> 01:04:25.440
<v Speaker 1>There, man, Yeah, they are right there on the other

1173
01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:30.119
<v Speaker 1>side of Yeah, I get that, man, like yeah, the introduction.

1174
01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:33.320
<v Speaker 1>I just need someone to show me how well. I

1175
01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:34.599
<v Speaker 1>mean now I guess I know who.

1176
01:04:34.639 --> 01:04:40.119
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, that's awesome. That one is particularly fascinating to me.

1177
01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:44.320
<v Speaker 3>That one is Lifeline, Like those sound like the coolest,

1178
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:46.920
<v Speaker 3>that's yeah, yeah, yeah.

1179
01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:49.199
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy. There's there's a lot of incredible programs.

1180
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:49.400
<v Speaker 3>There.

1181
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Are there any other that you've done or that you

1182
01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:54.199
<v Speaker 1>have like significant experience with that stand out to you?

1183
01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:55.519
<v Speaker 2>Heartline?

1184
01:04:55.760 --> 01:04:57.239
<v Speaker 1>Heart Line? What's that like?

1185
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh? I mean that's essentially spending the just about the

1186
01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:08.239
<v Speaker 2>entire week in that heart space that you're talking about,

1187
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:12.360
<v Speaker 2>and in learning the power of love as a force,

1188
01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:16.079
<v Speaker 2>even a primary force, I say, or in making allowing

1189
01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:19.880
<v Speaker 2>it to be the primary force in your life. And

1190
01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:22.719
<v Speaker 2>there's there's a lot of different aspects to it, but

1191
01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:30.559
<v Speaker 2>it's it's about largely creating coherence between our thinking mind

1192
01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:33.360
<v Speaker 2>and our heart and the wisdom of our heart and

1193
01:05:34.239 --> 01:05:38.079
<v Speaker 2>sort of in training that together. And Archie would be better.

1194
01:05:38.199 --> 01:05:40.079
<v Speaker 2>He's a trainer for it. I mean, he would be

1195
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:44.440
<v Speaker 2>better at describing it, probably, but that one was deeply

1196
01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:46.800
<v Speaker 2>meaningful for me. It is for a lot of people.

1197
01:05:47.320 --> 01:05:49.800
<v Speaker 1>I know that while we were doing the Creator Gateway,

1198
01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:53.119
<v Speaker 1>because I had lunch with Alan and Arkie one day

1199
01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:55.639
<v Speaker 1>and Amy was with us. We just sat together for

1200
01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:57.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, one of the days that she was there,

1201
01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:03.119
<v Speaker 1>and we were just talking and I was just asking her.

1202
01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:04.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't even remember what I asked her, to be honest,

1203
01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:07.599
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter. But she ended up telling me that

1204
01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:09.639
<v Speaker 1>they while we were at the top of the mountain

1205
01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:14.079
<v Speaker 1>doing our thing, the staff was down at the bottom

1206
01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:17.719
<v Speaker 1>of the mountain doing Heartline. So it's like, huh, Heartline,

1207
01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:19.280
<v Speaker 1>what the heck is that, you know? And I went

1208
01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:20.920
<v Speaker 1>and looked it up and that's very cool. But I

1209
01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:23.119
<v Speaker 1>thought it was very cool to know that like that

1210
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:26.639
<v Speaker 1>the staff is, you know, going through programs, and it

1211
01:06:26.760 --> 01:06:29.400
<v Speaker 1>just gave me a sense of like, I don't know,

1212
01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:32.039
<v Speaker 1>like thinking about you guys, like for example, you and

1213
01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Ignacio going through the Gateway with us, even though you've

1214
01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:37.280
<v Speaker 1>done it many times and you teach it, you know,

1215
01:06:37.400 --> 01:06:41.880
<v Speaker 1>it's like, you know, well I want to experience it too, right, Yeah,

1216
01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:45.400
<v Speaker 1>it never stops the Seeking Never stops, and I thought

1217
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:49.559
<v Speaker 1>that was really cool, but you know, very fascinating stuff.

1218
01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:56.000
<v Speaker 1>It's it's very profound, like the impact that it has

1219
01:06:56.039 --> 01:06:58.840
<v Speaker 1>had on me so much so that as you could

1220
01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:03.320
<v Speaker 1>probably imagine, I really just want to help other people

1221
01:07:03.400 --> 01:07:05.840
<v Speaker 1>to be introduced to it, you know, and like I

1222
01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:09.119
<v Speaker 1>really appreciate you coming and being on the show.

1223
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for inviting me. It was just such a

1224
01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:16.440
<v Speaker 2>really privilege and an honor. Thank you.

1225
01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:18.599
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it.

1226
01:07:18.760 --> 01:07:19.440
<v Speaker 3>This was great.

1227
01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:23.000
<v Speaker 1>The Institute reached out to me in March and invited

1228
01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:27.920
<v Speaker 1>me to go, and I was honestly shocked. And I

1229
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:31.280
<v Speaker 1>don't know if I specifically said this on our three

1230
01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:35.000
<v Speaker 1>part series, but like, it's just so funny because I

1231
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:37.679
<v Speaker 1>was invited to go in twenty twenty two. I know

1232
01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:39.280
<v Speaker 1>I told you this story, but you know, for the

1233
01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Listener's segment, I was invited to go in twenty twenty

1234
01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:45.920
<v Speaker 1>two for their first ever private UAP event with my

1235
01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:48.639
<v Speaker 1>dad and my sister and several other people. And I

1236
01:07:48.679 --> 01:07:50.599
<v Speaker 1>turned it down because I was like, well, we have

1237
01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:52.519
<v Speaker 1>a podcast and I'm afraid if I go to this

1238
01:07:52.519 --> 01:07:54.239
<v Speaker 1>thing that I won't be allowed to talk about it.

1239
01:07:54.440 --> 01:07:59.199
<v Speaker 1>And you know, you guys, go experience it and tell

1240
01:07:59.239 --> 01:08:01.000
<v Speaker 1>me about it later. And they got back and they

1241
01:08:01.039 --> 01:08:02.719
<v Speaker 1>told me about it, and it was the biggest regret

1242
01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:05.559
<v Speaker 1>in my life saying no, like literally, like there's not

1243
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:07.760
<v Speaker 1>many things in my life that I deeply regretted, and

1244
01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:10.320
<v Speaker 1>that was one of them saying no. So this March,

1245
01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:13.639
<v Speaker 1>I got an email and it's literally, hey, we'd like

1246
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:16.760
<v Speaker 1>you to come to the Monroe Institute free of charge

1247
01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:20.600
<v Speaker 1>to make content and videos and talk about it.

1248
01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:23.319
<v Speaker 3>So I was like, no way.

1249
01:08:24.279 --> 01:08:26.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it's like it's you know, if manifested,

1250
01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:31.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, whatever you call it, manifestation is realm dripping

1251
01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:32.479
<v Speaker 1>over my words all day.

1252
01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:34.720
<v Speaker 3>It's a lead day, bro, it's a little day. It's

1253
01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:36.399
<v Speaker 3>a Halloween leak day.

1254
01:08:36.439 --> 01:08:40.359
<v Speaker 1>But if manifestation is a real thing, this, this to

1255
01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:44.800
<v Speaker 1>me was like tangible proof. Like I literally turned it

1256
01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:46.279
<v Speaker 1>down because I was afraid to not be able to

1257
01:08:46.279 --> 01:08:47.800
<v Speaker 1>talk about it. And now I'm being invited to talk.

1258
01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:48.960
<v Speaker 3>Like we want you to talk about it.

1259
01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah please, So I went, and I don't know, it

1260
01:08:52.920 --> 01:08:55.600
<v Speaker 1>just was so meaningful to me that the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea to even go and and have the experience

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<v Speaker 1>and how my like profoundly impacted me and being asked

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<v Speaker 1>to like help promote and realizing who the institute and

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<v Speaker 1>like who you guys are really as people, Like you're

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<v Speaker 1>just people just like we are. We're three guys working

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<v Speaker 1>a camera where you guys are like twenty or thirty

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<v Speaker 1>people running the premiere Consciousness Institute of the world. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's more like one hundred trainers. But you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know the directors who run you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, right, who run the organization. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred trainers, but people just like us who just

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<v Speaker 1>happen to run this place. And it's like, wow, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is unreal, like just seeing behind the curtain

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<v Speaker 1>and I just I don't know. I made it my

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<v Speaker 1>mission to try to help just help get you guys

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<v Speaker 1>out there and help them listening to understand, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's really not this mysterious place, but yet it is,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also not. It's really cool and it's really

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<v Speaker 1>fun and really exciting and really like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>easy to get into. It's natural.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's nothing to nothing to be intimidated by,

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<v Speaker 3>right exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I was intimidated. No, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to go there. I'm not gonna be allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it. I don't know what to think. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>my experience meeting people or you know, reading about CIA

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<v Speaker 1>tapes and this and that, and then you get there

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<v Speaker 1>and you see the reality. Yeah, it's just like the coolest, friendliest, funnest,

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<v Speaker 1>just kindest. Yeah, well intentioned the environment. But but then

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of that, like the level of

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<v Speaker 1>mastery of the psychic, you know, the mystical whatever, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's the technique. Yeah, the technique of education. It's unlike

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<v Speaker 1>anything I've ever seen. It's it's one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>experiences I've ever had in my life. So anyway, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going on and on. I'm just really glad that you came.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really glad you guys would do this with us,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm humbled. So is there anything that you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you want to get on your chest?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think you said it really well. But you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I was thinking about was that that concept

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<v Speaker 2>of Monroe being sort of mysterious and and how what

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<v Speaker 2>it really is. And I think all of us who

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<v Speaker 2>are there are wide open and all we want is

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<v Speaker 2>for as many people as possible to experience the largest

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<v Speaker 2>sense of self they possibly can, you know, And is

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<v Speaker 2>there mystery in that? Yeah, because anything worth exploring has

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<v Speaker 2>mystery to it. Yeah, but that's where the fun is too.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I'm really grateful Ryan for all of this

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<v Speaker 2>that you're doing to get it out there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I really appreciate that. I think that this is

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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful collaboration that is only beginning, you know. So

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see, we'll see what comes of it, right, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the disgui's the limit. And well, because you

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<v Speaker 1>were in the studio when we did our kis amazing episode,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know how we in.

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<v Speaker 3>The show the exit? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So all right, bye.

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