Speaker 1: Weird thing, weird weird. Welcome again everyone to a special
Speaker 1: episode of Bled. Sub said, so we have I know,
Speaker 1: I'm just embracing them with like I just wanted to
Speaker 1: match your energy with arms wide open to Uh. We
Speaker 1: have another trainer from the Monrosa to a good friend
Speaker 1: of mine who was at the Creator Gateway with us,
Speaker 1: but going through it with us, and I think it
Speaker 1: was on like the second to last day that I
Speaker 1: even found out you were a trainer and I was
Speaker 1: like what, so, I don't know. It was kind of
Speaker 1: mind blowing. But we have Emily Thomas.
Speaker 2: So great to be here.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're excited to talk more Monroe stuff. It's a
Speaker 3: really fascinating topic to me right now. I'm just like
Speaker 3: drawn to it, so I'm excited to talk to you
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember like sitting beside you on the I
Speaker 1: think it was like the first uh, I guess debrief
Speaker 1: we did, or maybe it was like before we even meditated, right,
Speaker 1: It was kind of like an orientation on the first
Speaker 1: day and you were sitting to the left of me
Speaker 1: and you were wearing I remember exactly what you were wearing.
Speaker 1: It was that like baseball tea. You remember the Monroe one. Yeah, yah,
Speaker 1: you were wearing that and I look over and you're
Speaker 1: just sitting there, and I was kind of like nervous
Speaker 1: about introducing myself to everybody. And I was just like, hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Ryan and You're like hi, I'm Emily. Oh cool,
Speaker 1: you know, and we got to talk in and I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just like, I just remember that moment
Speaker 1: before the experiences like knowing you, and then I remember
Speaker 1: after just completely viewing you in a different light, and
Speaker 1: I think where that shifted for me. I wanted to
Speaker 1: wait till your episode to tell this story. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you remember this, but there was one time
Speaker 1: in the cafeteria, I think it was for lunch one day,
Speaker 1: where I was standing beside you. We were getting our food,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that was very stressful. It was
Speaker 1: the first time I went out of body. It was
Speaker 1: kind of an accident, and I was explaining to you
Speaker 1: that I was freaked out, and you looked at me
Speaker 1: and you were like, dude, you're fine.
Speaker 3: Do you remember this?
Speaker 2: I think so, yeah, yeah, yeah, you were really blown away.
Speaker 1: It was like intro to out of body and yeah,
Speaker 1: you were just like, oh, you're totally fine, it's normal,
Speaker 1: and you're and I'm like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're no, you're right, you're right. Yeah, I'm fine,
Speaker 3: I'm fine. Everything's fine. Fine.
Speaker 1: I was, I was really freaked out. But then from
Speaker 1: that moment on, I just was like, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just felt like such a comforting energy
Speaker 1: from you.
Speaker 3: So, so was the Creator program. It's like a version
Speaker 3: of Gateway.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, it was gate It is Gateway.
Speaker 3: With cameras and okay, okay, I get it. So how
Speaker 3: many if you haven't an approximation, how many Gateways have
Speaker 3: you done?
Speaker 2: Well? I have only done and this has been in
Speaker 2: training to be a residential trainer. So I've done for
Speaker 2: in terms of training to be that to train Gateways,
Speaker 2: I've been or attended two Gateways. And then before I
Speaker 2: ever did any of that, I did they have the
Speaker 2: Gateway Voyage kind of on CD, and so I had
Speaker 2: purchased that whole series long long ago and did it
Speaker 2: over and over and over and over again. That's a
Speaker 2: benefit that you can do.
Speaker 3: Oh that's cool. I didn't know that that was the
Speaker 3: thing that you could you could do.
Speaker 1: So that begs a really important question for the listener.
Speaker 1: At home who might not have the funds or the
Speaker 1: resources to make it to the institute. In your opinion, Emily,
Speaker 1: do you think that this is like a great starting
Speaker 1: point for individuals to like, will they get the gateway
Speaker 1: experience from listening to these tapes?
Speaker 2: They will get close to the gateway. I mean, what
Speaker 2: happened for me was that that was exactly what happened
Speaker 2: was I didn't have the money, and I didn't have
Speaker 2: the time. I was young, and I was poor and
Speaker 2: working in all of that, so I couldn't take a
Speaker 2: week away and I didn't have enough money to pay
Speaker 2: for it. And so it was still a substantial outlay,
Speaker 2: because I mean, I don't actually even know how much
Speaker 2: it is now, but it was several hundred dollars to
Speaker 2: do that. But you could do it a little bit
Speaker 2: at a time and get a few days at a time,
Speaker 2: and it provided me with the beginnings of the skills
Speaker 2: to get to the different focus levels, to get to
Speaker 2: these different meditative states. And yet I could do it
Speaker 2: in the comfort of my own home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and at your own pace.
Speaker 2: And at my own pace. So I could do one
Speaker 2: particular one over and over and over again. If I
Speaker 2: liked it, and so at the time it was life changing.
Speaker 2: I'd already been very familiar with Monroe Institute anyway, but
Speaker 2: at the time it was life changing. It was exciting,
Speaker 2: it was mind blowing. It was all the things that
Speaker 2: Ryan was just saying, you know, freaking out and you
Speaker 2: can have all these amazing experiences, and so it's a
Speaker 2: wonderful way to begin. Absolutely, it does not quite compare
Speaker 2: to being on campus and doing it for a week, though,
Speaker 2: because once I did that, I was like, oh, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: I need to come back here. I need to find
Speaker 2: some you know, some way to be able to do it.
Speaker 1: It's a social thing too, you know, you're like experiencing
Speaker 1: it with people, and yeah, I mean, nothing could ever
Speaker 1: compare it to the in person experience. I totally get that,
Speaker 1: But it sounds to me like you kind of go
Speaker 1: way back with Monroe based on what you're describing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been sort of in and out of my life.
Speaker 2: So when I grew up, I grew up first in
Speaker 2: New Jersey, and I was always kind of like a weird,
Speaker 2: mystical kid anyway, and having out of body experiences when
Speaker 2: I was really little and things like that that I
Speaker 2: didn't know that that's what they were.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: But I had plenty of things like that, and fortunately
Speaker 2: I was the kind I had the kind of parents
Speaker 2: who didn't try to talk me out of anything that
Speaker 2: I told them. Good, So I was able to just
Speaker 2: kind of experiment with it. When we when I was
Speaker 2: sixteen years old, my mom and my dad and I
Speaker 2: decided to move to Virginia and one of the first
Speaker 2: houses that they looked at was very close to as in,
Speaker 2: within view of the Monroe Institute. No way, that's the
Speaker 2: first time I heard about them. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow, So we were a kid. I was a kid.
Speaker 2: I mean I was sixteen and I was standing there
Speaker 2: in front of this house that we almost bought, and
Speaker 2: the real estate agent was across the street going and
Speaker 2: down there is the Monroe Institute, and god knows what
Speaker 2: she thought. She was like, they do some weird things. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so so I remember that. I mean, that's sort
Speaker 2: of like, you know, etched in my memory. Yeah. And
Speaker 2: then after that, uh, you know, I kind of went
Speaker 2: through my own phase of agnosticism and atheism, and I
Speaker 2: was a super rationalist in all of this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: And then a friend of mine read the books that's
Speaker 2: always the start, and then I found the books. Yes,
Speaker 2: so and ended up doing an internship. So I when
Speaker 2: I was eighteen or nineteen, I would go and visit.
Speaker 3: Oh that's so cool.
Speaker 1: I knew none of this. This is amazing.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know they did internships.
Speaker 2: They probably don't anymore. I mean, but it was a
Speaker 2: brief thing.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah. How cool to be eighteen like doing internships.
Speaker 3: It's such a spectacular place. Yeah that cool.
Speaker 1: What does that entail? Like working the microphone?
Speaker 2: I know, right, no idea what he did?
Speaker 1: That place changed me?
Speaker 2: I I I now that you say that, I have
Speaker 2: no clue what was going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: All I cared about was being able to get on
Speaker 2: the grounds because the grounds are mystical, The grounds are powerful,
Speaker 2: the energy there, and so that was when I first
Speaker 2: started hearing about the binaural beats and the meta music
Speaker 2: and and all of that. So that's how that, really,
Speaker 2: you know, began.
Speaker 1: You got thrown in thrown she's the girl next door. Yes,
Speaker 1: the whole time, I didn't know any of that. That's
Speaker 1: that's like really an amazing background. Emily. That is so cool.
Speaker 1: It's like your destiny was to be where you are.
Speaker 2: It would not leave, you know, Yeah, I just came
Speaker 2: in and out.
Speaker 3: Wow, when you went after an internship, did you at
Speaker 3: that point know like roughly kind of what it was about.
Speaker 2: Like, it wasn't even that it was a friend of
Speaker 2: mine and I to visit, So I didn't even I
Speaker 2: wasn't even the intern. Wow, but I didn't know. I
Speaker 2: knew that it was about out of body experiences. And
Speaker 2: this goes around to what y'all have been talking about
Speaker 2: some I think on this podcast, is that what appealed
Speaker 2: to me at the time was that I was in
Speaker 2: this sort of atheistic, super rationalistic phase and when I
Speaker 2: read his books, it helped me integrate everything that had
Speaker 2: happened to me when I was a child, and all
Speaker 2: of that mysticism that I had come by naturally and intuitively,
Speaker 2: and then the rational rational I could do it. I
Speaker 2: could do it.
Speaker 1: No, that's like really mind blowing to put it that way.
Speaker 3: It is, well, it's kind of similar to Robert Monroe's origin, right,
Speaker 3: it just started happening to him. He was like a scientific,
Speaker 3: rationalistic kind of person, and those two worlds just crashed
Speaker 3: into each other. And then look look at you. Now
Speaker 3: it's it's it's kind of similar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like I think, to expand on that deeper,
Speaker 1: it's I didn't think about this, but like Monroe really
Speaker 1: is kind of the place right where that those two
Speaker 1: things meet. They have just as much data, if not more,
Speaker 1: than anyone in the world phenomenon that involves, you know, consciousness.
Speaker 1: Like that's just it's profound. I don't know, it's just
Speaker 1: I didn't really think about that. All I could think
Speaker 1: about is like, what can I learn next, you know, Like, no,
Speaker 1: that's really cool.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's one of the really cool and
Speaker 3: interesting pulls to Monroe from at least what I can
Speaker 3: see from the outside, is that, like so many people
Speaker 3: are like rationalists, and they use that to kind of
Speaker 3: clash against the spirituality. But the truth is that they
Speaker 3: they actually go hand in hand beautifully and one overlapping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, juststerium.
Speaker 3: One can inform the other and does inform the other,
Speaker 3: like they work closely together.
Speaker 1: I think to flesh it out. I'm more along the
Speaker 1: lines of realizing, like I think, I think Monroe is
Speaker 1: really going to go down in history bigger than it is.
Speaker 1: I mean in a big, big way of kind of
Speaker 1: like bridging the rational in the you know, the spiritual,
Speaker 1: the metaphysical or whatever. I don't know, it's exciting. It's
Speaker 1: just like there's so many exciting things ahead. But no,
Speaker 1: that's like really cool that you grew up next to them,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, so Gateway, So you did the
Speaker 1: tapes right, and you were like having that sort of
Speaker 1: you were just on the edge of did you go
Speaker 1: out of body with the tapes?
Speaker 2: Yes, I did kind of what you had referred to
Speaker 2: in the past, Ryan, which was that whole bit with
Speaker 2: your arm moving, and I did that. I remember writing
Speaker 2: in my journal I just had an out of finger
Speaker 2: experience and I was so excited with that. But I, yes,
Speaker 2: I definitely did that. And I also had episodes. I
Speaker 2: also had episodes of things like sleep paralysis or waking
Speaker 2: up and feeling waking up, not really I was awake
Speaker 2: and sensing a figure at the end of my bed.
Speaker 2: So there were some scary things too. But I think
Speaker 2: that one of the other values of Monroe is that
Speaker 2: it's allowing with support and with energetic support, with personal
Speaker 2: support and with trainers support, it's allowing people to have
Speaker 2: these kinds of experiences and kind of be held along
Speaker 2: the way. Yeah, and then the more that the years
Speaker 2: go by, these experiences aren't unusual anymore. This happens all
Speaker 2: the time, and that's why. Like when you were standing
Speaker 2: with me in the lunch line and you were freaked out,
Speaker 2: I was like, of course you're freaked out. It's normal
Speaker 2: to be freaked out. Everybody's freaked Outalizing freak out can
Speaker 2: be helpful.
Speaker 1: It helped, you know, it truly helped. Like it changed
Speaker 1: the whole course of my day. And I was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're right. I am fine, Fine, that's not the deal.
Speaker 1: And then I and then an hour later I did
Speaker 1: it again and I was like that was awesome.
Speaker 2: Serious, Yeah, so you went out of body. I mean,
Speaker 2: it doesn't automatically happen, not at all, and for a
Speaker 2: lot of people, it takes a lot of practice. And
Speaker 2: it took me a lot of practice too, So I
Speaker 2: would have the out of finger experience and then the
Speaker 2: out of hand experience and all sorts of weird things.
Speaker 2: But it took me, h, I want to say, maybe
Speaker 2: another four years or something like that of sort of
Speaker 2: dipping in and out with curiosity and then working at
Speaker 2: it and being intentional about it. I'd had out of
Speaker 2: body experiences when I was younger, but they weren't intentional,
Speaker 2: and the key was to do it on purpose, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, was curiosity the like driving force we talked with
Speaker 3: Archie about, like people's why why they're doing it? Was
Speaker 3: it a curiosity thing more than like when you first
Speaker 3: start reading these books and hearing about it. Was it
Speaker 3: just a curiosity thing?
Speaker 2: Very much?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't even thinking that much about what had
Speaker 2: happened when I was younger, although some of what had
Speaker 2: happened when I was younger was sometimes a little frightening,
Speaker 2: So I didn't really want that to happen again either,
Speaker 2: But I was intensely curious and I just so wanted
Speaker 2: to see what more was out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So were you maybe like blocking those experiences from you
Speaker 1: your younger years, you know, or were you more so
Speaker 1: like not necessarily yet making the connection between the two,
Speaker 1: or like.
Speaker 2: I kind of think that my unconscious had already made
Speaker 2: the connection. And yes, it's took a lot of effort
Speaker 2: because I think I was blocking it. I was afraid
Speaker 2: that those things were gonna happen again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like kind of down the road you realized
Speaker 1: maybe there was a connection there. Yeah, that's that's really cool.
Speaker 1: Kind of like it sounds like what's going on with him,
Speaker 1: like with all this sleep paralysis stuff like, it.
Speaker 3: Can be traumatizing. Yeah, scary.
Speaker 1: I've had it once or twice and it's freaky.
Speaker 3: It's just I mean, especially if it's happening to you
Speaker 3: when you're a kid and then like going like fully
Speaker 3: out of body. I mean if that had happened to
Speaker 3: me when I was like with no education, none whatsoever,
Speaker 3: like I would be particularly freaked out. And that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it can be very rattling, can have permanent effects on you,
Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, that doesn't surprise me. But it's
Speaker 3: it's good that you have had enough experience with this
Speaker 3: now to know that, like it's not scary, it's not
Speaker 3: a bad thing. Nothing bad it it's got to be
Speaker 3: healing in a way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a full circle phenomenon in a
Speaker 2: way that you can sort of reframe it into something
Speaker 2: natural or into something kind of magical really, and it
Speaker 2: also affirms just how powerful we all are.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, it's very empowering for sure. Like something I
Speaker 1: told you this a couple hours ago, but I'll say
Speaker 1: it for the listener. Something that came through to me
Speaker 1: at Monroe. I haven't said this on the show. I
Speaker 1: don't think like on the three part series. There's there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things that came to me that I
Speaker 1: wasn't ready to share, or maybe I felt like I
Speaker 1: never will because it's personal. But something that came through
Speaker 1: to me is like our whole lives. People would message
Speaker 1: my dad or they message us, why you? Why are
Speaker 1: you having these experiences? Why do you think you know?
Speaker 1: Why you? Why you?
Speaker 3: Why you?
Speaker 1: Why you? So we did this exercise right where it
Speaker 1: was like ask your higher self five questions. So one
Speaker 1: of my questions was something like, uh, you know, why
Speaker 1: is this happening to me? Or when did this start
Speaker 1: for me? Or something. And something that came through to me,
Speaker 1: and it honestly was life changing for me, was you
Speaker 1: are not special because everyone is right. Don't worry so much,
Speaker 1: don't think about it. Everybody is special. You are light
Speaker 1: beings walking amongst the earth basically, like that's the reality
Speaker 1: of what we are, Like, we're all special, We're all
Speaker 1: from a special place, you know. And yeah, that was
Speaker 1: very perspective shifting for me.
Speaker 3: That was like a comforting thing for you to.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, It gave me the answer I've been seeking
Speaker 1: my whole life, Like, yeah, it doesn't matter to think
Speaker 1: about some grand reason why things are happening to me,
Speaker 1: because everybody has a grand reason for everything happening to them.
Speaker 1: It's a paradox in a way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like, h it probably made you feel
Speaker 3: a lot less alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it did?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: I told you you might remember this.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 1: On the last day of the Gateway, I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I finally don't feel
Speaker 1: like I'm alone in my life, Like I've always felt
Speaker 1: like everywhere I go, I'm the crazy one or I
Speaker 1: don't have anything to relate to. And then coming here,
Speaker 1: I was like, I finally feel like I I'm normal,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I'm sure you've probably
Speaker 1: felt the same way, you know, when you started going
Speaker 1: out of body. But enough about me, So yeah, so
Speaker 1: you start going out of body with the tapes. Now
Speaker 1: I'm curious what it was like when you went there
Speaker 1: for the first time.
Speaker 2: It was extraordinary. I was And by the time I
Speaker 2: got there, I was going through a period in my
Speaker 2: life where I had sort of unbelievable work stress. I
Speaker 2: was directing a local counseling center. And I won't get
Speaker 2: into the details about that, but it was just really
Speaker 2: traumatic some of the stuff that was going on administratively
Speaker 2: and everything. And by the time I signed up for
Speaker 2: that gateway, all I cared about was the fact that
Speaker 2: I got to lie down for a week. I didn't
Speaker 2: care what happened. I get it, you lie down. I
Speaker 2: don't have to be responsible high I did not care. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And and also back then they don't do it as
Speaker 2: much now because of the the the cell phones and
Speaker 2: the need to be in touch and everything. But back
Speaker 2: in the day, they would come around with this basket
Speaker 2: and they would make you put your watches uh in
Speaker 2: the basket, and then there was no time for that
Speaker 2: entire week. You only responded to bells when they would
Speaker 2: ring your bell, ring the bell for dinner and lunch
Speaker 2: and you know, to come back, you know, to do
Speaker 2: a meditation or something. So you lost sense of time altogether,
Speaker 2: and there was no calling home, and there was it
Speaker 2: was great.
Speaker 3: I really need.
Speaker 2: So. And I think it was the very first exercise
Speaker 2: I was lying down, and again I was a little
Speaker 2: familiar with it, and I sensed four beings, two up
Speaker 2: by my head and two by my feet during the exercise,
Speaker 2: and then I could sense sort of them putting their
Speaker 2: hands in my abdomen and sort of opening it up
Speaker 2: and like messing around in there.
Speaker 3: Whoa.
Speaker 2: So that was my introduction.
Speaker 1: That's start. Oh my gosh, the first extra again, you
Speaker 1: were in there like beyond like resident tuning in the
Speaker 1: initial stuff right at first, like actual yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow, wow wow.
Speaker 2: And I was like, uh, y'all, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: You know that is in wow?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that's a lot of process.
Speaker 3: I don't know what I would think.
Speaker 2: When I asked what they were doing, they said we're
Speaker 2: breaking you, which might sound and when I shared it later,
Speaker 2: some people are like, oh, that's so negative. But it wasn't.
Speaker 2: It wasn't it was. It was we're resetting you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe humbling you a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe I felt it was more like we're taking
Speaker 2: you apart and putting you back together.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's really cool.
Speaker 3: Was that a scary feeling?
Speaker 2: It was just odd? I don't know. I think by
Speaker 2: that point, you know, on.
Speaker 3: The ride, I'm on the ride. If it's gonna happen,
Speaker 3: it's gonna happen. Yeah, wow, take my guts apart and
Speaker 3: really that's fine whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No. The since I get from that, though, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like I know, you said, they're like resetting you or
Speaker 1: they're taking you apart and putting you back together. It's
Speaker 1: like that's crazy because I mean, first of all, I
Speaker 1: don't know what I think about that. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: lot to process, but yeah, it's like, if I had
Speaker 1: to guess, it's you know, you you had these experiences
Speaker 1: as a child and it was very frightening, and because
Speaker 1: it was so frightening you you had a certain philosophy
Speaker 1: for years and years and years. So maybe that was
Speaker 1: your resetting point if you could start over. And I
Speaker 1: mean it's like now you're like you're literally teaching this,
Speaker 1: You're you're you're initiating countless others into this experience now,
Speaker 1: you know, like where you are now is so different
Speaker 1: from where you were then. It's like crazy.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: So were you there for the Creator? Yeah? Yeah, So
Speaker 3: how how was that compared to the average gateway?
Speaker 2: The average gateway, I don't know if there.
Speaker 1: Was the baseline there is very high high.
Speaker 2: It was really just it was an absolute blast. It
Speaker 2: was such a privilege to be there, and it was
Speaker 2: Also I didn't know what to expect with the cameras
Speaker 2: and with people who were going to be thinking about
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. And it was a little like,
Speaker 2: you know, what if they say, is you know, negative
Speaker 2: stuff or.
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, I know, ye, I never even
Speaker 1: thought of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they could people do and have the
Speaker 2: right to if they have a negative experience. It wasn't
Speaker 2: about trying to make sure everything was only positive. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I had been asked to be a participant as a
Speaker 2: kind of support along with another one, Agnostio, and so
Speaker 2: I didn't really know what to expect going in or
Speaker 2: if there were going to be cameras around all the time,
Speaker 2: and you know all of that. And from the very
Speaker 2: first day, everybody, including you, Ryan was so warm and
Speaker 2: so pleasant. I just knew it was going to be
Speaker 2: so much fun. So I had kind of a parallel
Speaker 2: process in a way, because first of all, I was
Speaker 2: a participant, but I was still supposed to be in
Speaker 2: a in a I don't know, a reperive kind of role,
Speaker 2: I guess you could say, yeah, And so I was
Speaker 2: sort of paying attention to that and really enjoying interacting
Speaker 2: with everybody. And then I was also doing Gateway two
Speaker 2: point zero, right, hey, Yeah, And so it was going
Speaker 2: into the exercises as a as a different person, as
Speaker 2: a person who more than a decade had passed since
Speaker 2: I'd done that first one, and I had a whole
Speaker 2: other range of experiences that were right for me at
Speaker 2: the time. So it was again an absolute blast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys were a masterclass. Like I think, the
Speaker 1: more I talk about me with you guys and and
Speaker 1: sort of like the curtain is pulled down because you know,
Speaker 1: when people in the world think about Monroe, it's this
Speaker 1: I keep telling you guys this, like it's this big mystique.
Speaker 1: It's like you know, declassified Gateway CIA tapes, and you know,
Speaker 1: like that's how the ordinary person thinks about Monroe. But
Speaker 1: in reality, it's just a amazing people like you know
Speaker 1: Emily and Archie and you know Big Nacio and al
Speaker 1: And it's just a bunch of people with their heart
Speaker 1: in the right place running this profound institution. And like
Speaker 1: the curtain comes down and you're like, wow, this, this
Speaker 1: this is really freaking awesome. Right. The more you guys
Speaker 1: are telling me about like the stresses you felt and
Speaker 1: like the anxieties you had hosting this thing. It blows
Speaker 1: me away more like you guys handled this with so
Speaker 1: much finesse, so much just mastery, Like the way that
Speaker 1: it went off without a hitch. There was not a problem.
Speaker 1: There was not a I mean, to my knowledge, if
Speaker 1: there was no one told me right, everybody got along,
Speaker 1: There was not a flaw in the planet, just went perfect,
Speaker 1: And like I had no clue. You guys were so stressed,
Speaker 1: and it makes sense. What if someone came and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this place sucks, you.
Speaker 3: Know, concern It was like like one of the things
Speaker 3: that I was thinking about is like, does the does
Speaker 3: the introduction of the camera take you away from the
Speaker 3: experience kind of thing, which I think you guys said
Speaker 3: they were worried about it kind of worried about that
Speaker 3: as well. Yeah, that's another one. But I mean it
Speaker 3: sounds like it didn't hinder anything whatsoever, which is great.
Speaker 3: But do they always when they do a Gateway or
Speaker 3: any of these classes, do they always have the trainers
Speaker 3: or representatives in the class as well with whoever else
Speaker 3: is taking the course?
Speaker 2: Do you mean, like in the role that I was
Speaker 2: playing that time or.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like if you if like on a typical
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna use the word average on a typical
Speaker 3: gateway experience. Would like, let's say you have a class
Speaker 3: of like five people, would they typically also put in
Speaker 3: a trainer to take the class with. No, Okay, I
Speaker 3: think that's cool. I think that's really that's special because
Speaker 3: they kind of serve as a guide and they're like
Speaker 3: jumping in the water with you.
Speaker 1: It's like, I told you, dude, I didn't know you
Speaker 1: a trainer for days. I found out later and I
Speaker 1: was like really, because we were doing everything together, the exercises,
Speaker 1: the debriefs and it. You know, it's like it's just
Speaker 1: the whole experience is it was mind blowing. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I knew Ignacia was a trainer because we had correspondence before,
Speaker 1: you know, with Emily and everything.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I think that's that's like a good
Speaker 3: thing because it's it also is kind of like a barometer,
Speaker 3: like you look at them, like, all right, they're not
Speaker 3: freaking out, So I think I shouldn't forget. I think
Speaker 3: I'm probably good. I think I'm fine. I shouldn't be
Speaker 3: freaking out either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very cool, but's so a question. What I want
Speaker 1: to know is like Okay, so I know a little
Speaker 1: bit of the question. Right, I'm trying to think of
Speaker 1: a different way to word this because I know now
Speaker 1: that you had experiences, you know, as a young lady,
Speaker 1: going out of body spontaneously and things like that. But
Speaker 1: then what I'm curious to know is, like, in what
Speaker 1: other ways did going to the institute and like taking
Speaker 1: the courses and what ways did it change or maybe
Speaker 1: like enhance your life? What did it add to your life?
Speaker 2: Right, That's a really great question because one of the
Speaker 2: things that's really important to me about doing my work
Speaker 2: as an outreach trainer too, which is the program where
Speaker 2: you can give two day workshops during a weekend, for instance.
Speaker 2: And one of the things is that I also have
Speaker 2: a psychotherapy practice, and so I just feel like my
Speaker 2: whole professional life is about teaching human empowerment and learn
Speaker 2: helping people learn to trust themselves, learn to trust who
Speaker 2: they are, and to become more of who they are.
Speaker 2: And I would say that going to the Monroe I
Speaker 2: was going to say workshops, but even the programs or
Speaker 2: the workshops, those two day workshops really help us do that.
Speaker 2: I think that the out of body stuff is fascinating obviously,
Speaker 2: I do, or I wouldn't have spent years trying to
Speaker 2: and eventually succeeding and doing it intentionally. And I think
Speaker 2: that having beings on me, you know, and saying we're
Speaker 2: going to reset you or break you or you know,
Speaker 2: that's fascinating, right, all of that, all of it really is.
Speaker 2: But I think that these programs really have the potential
Speaker 2: to heal, heal a lot. It did for me, yeah,
Speaker 2: really deep healing a.
Speaker 1: Lot, and change my whole outlook on life.
Speaker 2: Think about, for instance, when you got that message about
Speaker 2: I don't know how you said it exactly.
Speaker 1: But you're not special because everybody is.
Speaker 2: You know, what a burden lifted, right, I mean, the
Speaker 2: minute you find out that you are as special as
Speaker 2: everybody else and you have your part to play and
Speaker 2: you'd better play it. But you know, no, biggie, if
Speaker 2: you don't, but really you should. Yeah, and they all have. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's it's not like the whole world is resting
Speaker 2: on your shoulders.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's other people out there that'll pick up the
Speaker 3: slack if you don't. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good way to put it. There's room. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And and and like you said, it's like we're
Speaker 1: all a piece of this puzzle, Like we all have
Speaker 1: a special part to play in this if we choose
Speaker 1: to participate. I think I think everybody is, you know,
Speaker 1: truly special, and especially like after going to Monroe. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I can't tell you that that I'm not a
Speaker 1: completely changed person since coming there and be telling you
Speaker 1: the truth, like just so many things that I learned there,
Speaker 1: like for example, another thing, not only things that I
Speaker 1: learned from you, right with Archie and Maya and teaching
Speaker 1: us and communicating with all you guys. But then I'll
Speaker 1: so like out of body meditation messages coming through. And
Speaker 1: one of them that came through was I had this
Speaker 1: question like why is this stuff happening to me?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: And the other answer that came through, Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not quite how I happened. It was like I
Speaker 1: saw something and it was it was that night when
Speaker 1: I told you guys, like, oh my god, I saw
Speaker 1: orbs in the sky tonight, right, a miracle in this guy.
Speaker 1: And then that night we all saw orbs. It was
Speaker 1: the last night and in my session when I was
Speaker 1: like out of body and I was seeing this stuff,
Speaker 1: I was doubting it. I was like I was doubting myself.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, that's that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And my high self came through to me and it
Speaker 1: was like, you need to stop doubting yourself, Like, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you think it's you know this or
Speaker 1: that it's real and you can't change it. You can't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what reason you come up with why
Speaker 1: anything is happening this or that or the other, or
Speaker 1: what special label you assigned to anything. It doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: because it's happening. You just need to go with it,
Speaker 1: you know. And that was like, wow, I never thought
Speaker 1: about it like that. I really don't have to prove
Speaker 1: anything to myself just to accept that things do happen
Speaker 1: to me and it's okay, and I can't control if
Speaker 1: it does or doesn't, so I might as well just
Speaker 1: get up and keep going and accept it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's your free will right there, right.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that makes sense. I've never really
Speaker 1: said that one out loud.
Speaker 3: But no, it definitely makes sense. That's something that we've
Speaker 3: talked about on the show before, where like in your
Speaker 3: life there have been points where you feel this need
Speaker 3: to just like prove prove it to people, and like
Speaker 3: I gotta make them believe, and like I gotta make
Speaker 3: them see what me and my family have been going
Speaker 3: through and they have to know that it's real and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. So I mean learning that, like it's happening,
Speaker 3: it's okay, And you don't have anything to prove to anybody,
Speaker 3: not even yourself, not even yourself.
Speaker 1: I want, I needed to prove for me, you know,
Speaker 1: but it's like, no, you don't. It's happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, talk about healing. Yeah, that's that's a heavy
Speaker 3: thing to carry it around, dude.
Speaker 1: It's like six days of that six six days of
Speaker 1: what like four or five hours a day, right, like meditating,
Speaker 1: and I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a that's a heavy thing to carry around.
Speaker 3: So like not having to carry that around anymore has
Speaker 3: got to have you feeling like your floating.
Speaker 1: I came back smiling. Yeah, I came back. I was like,
Speaker 1: what's up, guys, I'm home.
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know.
Speaker 1: It's funny. The day after our gateway, which by the way,
Speaker 1: I did miss two exits.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because for those listening at home, they tell us
Speaker 1: on the last day, they're like, you know, you need
Speaker 1: to uh ground. People have reported missing flights and getting stranded,
Speaker 1: missing exits on the highway. I literally missed two exits.
Speaker 1: The day after that, like literally twenty four hours after
Speaker 1: being home, we drove to Raleigh and we were together
Speaker 1: with like fifteen or twenty of our friends, maybe more
Speaker 1: like fifteen of our friends for his thirtieth birthday. And
Speaker 1: it was like this big party. I was so worried
Speaker 1: to go. I was so worried, like I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: be able to blend in. And I go there and
Speaker 1: I was just like, I love you all, I love everybody.
Speaker 1: This is a fun, fun this is amazing. No, I
Speaker 1: was so worried. I was so worried the energy would
Speaker 1: clash and it didn't. And there was at one point
Speaker 1: in the night. I don't know if this is normal.
Speaker 1: Maybe you guys could, like I say, you guys could
Speaker 1: arcus Rand, but you're the one with the mic, so
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if you could like comment
Speaker 1: on this, but like, definitely, for days after leaving, there
Speaker 1: was a lot of crying. Oh sure, yeah, a lot
Speaker 1: of crying. And that's not common for me. I grew
Speaker 1: up with a grandpa was like, you know, suck it up,
Speaker 1: like you don't cry, and to me, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like a thing. I'm not a big crier, but after
Speaker 1: Monroe that has completely changed. And yeah, it was like
Speaker 1: anytime I would think about it randomly, it would pop
Speaker 1: into my head and then I would just start crying
Speaker 1: and all these thoughts would come to me. It's like
Speaker 1: what if it was what if it was a one
Speaker 1: time thing? What if I never get to experience that again,
Speaker 1: and what if I never get to go back? Just
Speaker 1: all these thoughts cycling through my head and I would
Speaker 1: get emotional. I know that's not true, right right, but
Speaker 1: it impacted me so much being there that it just,
Speaker 1: I don't know, just like open up this well of things.
Speaker 1: So there was one point at the night when I
Speaker 1: was at his birthday party where I had to step
Speaker 1: outside for a little bit because it popped into my
Speaker 1: head and I was like, I gotta go outside, and
Speaker 1: I went outside on the back porch. I sat down
Speaker 1: and I looked up and boom, I saw a norb
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm good and I went back inside.
Speaker 3: But were they I'm curious because like that's a big
Speaker 3: emotional release, and I mean obviously goodness, the amount of
Speaker 3: things that are happening to your emotional state while being there, Like,
Speaker 3: there's gotta be some residual feelings afterwards. Were they like
Speaker 3: sad tears, happy tears, fearful tears? Yeah, all of them,
Speaker 3: a combination of all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. It just kind of like opened
Speaker 1: you up. Yeah, it sounds like it really just unfound territory.
Speaker 3: It open I'm gonna reset you real.
Speaker 1: Hey, at least it didn't say I eat you for
Speaker 1: lunch or so.
Speaker 2: That would have been far more unsettling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is interesting that we're on the topic of
Speaker 3: like emotional state and being emotionally open and stuff. Being
Speaker 3: a psychotherapist, do you see a connection between like the
Speaker 3: emotional state and expanding consciousness, Like is there a profound
Speaker 3: connection there, because I've heard things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like what happens is when people expand their
Speaker 2: consciousness and they become more aware beyond the filter that
Speaker 2: they're normally using in every day, because that's a lot
Speaker 2: of it is our consciousness is and our brains are
Speaker 2: a kind of filter, and you know, once we start
Speaker 2: to loosen that filter a little bit and allow a
Speaker 2: little bit more in then something kind of like what
Speaker 2: Ryan is describing, where you were able to let go
Speaker 2: and release and cry and that wasn't a sad cry,
Speaker 2: it was a free cry. It was something releasing, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, and loosening. And one of the things
Speaker 2: that I was thinking about when you were talking is
Speaker 2: that the reality hasn't changed, but your relationship to your reality,
Speaker 2: your relationship to all of the phenomena that you've experienced
Speaker 2: in your life, has changed. And it sounds to me
Speaker 2: anyway like it's gotten a bit lighter, it's more joyful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, lighter.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean he's a perfect example. I think
Speaker 2: of the expansion of consciousness and how that can affect
Speaker 2: the emotional state absolutely daily.
Speaker 3: I wonder also about about if different emotional states could
Speaker 3: cause like a different experience with expanding your consciousness, Like
Speaker 3: if being in a sad or depressed emotional state would
Speaker 3: make it more difficult or maybe easier, or you know,
Speaker 3: I just I wonder if there's a connection between the
Speaker 3: emotional state and consciousness in general. That's just something I
Speaker 3: think about.
Speaker 2: I think one thing that we've seen, especially in you know,
Speaker 2: the psychotherapeutic world is that if somebody has had a
Speaker 2: lot of trauma in their life, and if they're way
Speaker 2: of relating, for instance, maybe they have a lot of
Speaker 2: huge emotional ups and downs many times, not always, but
Speaker 2: many times. Sometimes when they have sort of altered states
Speaker 2: of consciousness, the stuff they experience might be a little
Speaker 2: more frightening, you know, So they're kind of going into
Speaker 2: it with maybe a kind of a chaotic or disorganized
Speaker 2: or a generally frightened aspect to them in an emotional state.
Speaker 2: And then when they are in a state of consciousness
Speaker 2: which the very speed of their thoughts it's determining their
Speaker 2: reality and what they're observing, then what they're going to
Speaker 2: create or experience might become more frightening to them. And
Speaker 2: then the opposite can be true, right, is that if
Speaker 2: you're feeling really, really wide open, then you might have
Speaker 2: a lot more light experiences. However, I also think, and
Speaker 2: I could say this from personal experience too, maybe you
Speaker 2: guys too, if you've done some of this, But like,
Speaker 2: if I go into a meditation or some kind of
Speaker 2: asking for guidance or whatever, and I'm miserable and at
Speaker 2: the the bottom of my barrel, or whatever. Sometimes that's
Speaker 2: exactly the time when I get that helping hand, you know,
Speaker 2: and it feels like a blessing, like something has come
Speaker 2: to me to help. So it does vary a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, certainly it has to. Everybody's so different. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm sure this stuff is more difficult. I mean, do
Speaker 3: you guys notice that that, like some people have a
Speaker 3: harder time expanding their consciousness or breaking into some of
Speaker 3: these like the focuses and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even I noticed that. What did you notice just
Speaker 1: people around us like giving us feedback at debriefs, being like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of have maybe have a little resistance.
Speaker 2: People who are hard you know, really hardcore skeptics, people
Speaker 2: who think that they want to know but actually have
Speaker 2: a lot of barriers and that kind of stuff, they
Speaker 2: will have a harder time. Yeah, but it's not to
Speaker 2: say that this is just the power of suggestions. So
Speaker 2: if you're really suggestible and ready and wide open to
Speaker 2: you know, see angels, that then you're going to see
Speaker 2: angels and that's all you needed. But yeah, definitely I
Speaker 2: think that and also people who go when expecting an
Speaker 2: afraid of what they're going to see might see it
Speaker 2: or interpret and maybe that's the real thing, is the interpretation.
Speaker 2: The interpretation of the phenomena is maybe the most important part.
Speaker 2: So if you're afraid, you may interpret what you see
Speaker 2: as something fearful.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah, that's crazy because that first time that
Speaker 1: I had the out of body experience, and then I
Speaker 1: talked to you in the cafeteria after and you were like, no,
Speaker 1: you're fine. It's totally normal to be, you know, freaked
Speaker 1: out by that or whatever, and you know everybody is
Speaker 1: at first, and I'm like, oh, yeah, it came to
Speaker 1: me in meditation right to alter my affirmation, just not
Speaker 1: to change it, but to add to it. Because Archie
Speaker 1: said on day one, you can add to it whatever
Speaker 1: you want to add to it, right, say the four
Speaker 1: You can boil it down, you can stretch it up,
Speaker 1: you can sell that the affirmation however you want to
Speaker 1: say it. You just have to hit the four core points.
Speaker 1: So I was like, let me add a fifth core point, right,
Speaker 1: and mine was I will see without fear. So from
Speaker 1: then on, when I started having these out of body
Speaker 1: experiences at the institute, I started saying, I will see
Speaker 1: without fear, I will see without fear. It's okay, I
Speaker 1: will see this, you know, phenomenon that I'm observing without
Speaker 1: fear suggesting it to myself. And it did help. And
Speaker 1: the first time that I spontaneously went out of body
Speaker 1: laying in bed at the house, I wouldn't necessarily say
Speaker 1: it was the kind of experience where like I'm out
Speaker 1: of my body and I'm walking around. I was like,
Speaker 1: it was like, I'll describe it to you. Maybe you'll
Speaker 1: have some input on this. Yeah, It's like I'm laying
Speaker 1: there and you know, if you close your eyes you
Speaker 1: can still see, right. But you know, is really weird
Speaker 1: now that I think about it. Two nights ago, when
Speaker 1: I started to go out of body, I just remembered this.
Speaker 1: I could see the wall with my eyes closed.
Speaker 3: Wow is that normal? Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, well normal, No. I just it just came to
Speaker 1: me as I was telling this, like I could see
Speaker 1: the wall with my eyes closed, and then I you
Speaker 1: know the hand thing that I tell an Archet episode, Right,
Speaker 1: But the first time this happened after the Creator program
Speaker 1: was about two months ago. And I'm laying there and
Speaker 1: like I said, even when your eyes closed, you can
Speaker 1: see because you can see in your mind's eye, right,
Speaker 1: obviously you can't see with your eyes, but you can
Speaker 1: see with your mind. And the vision that I could
Speaker 1: see in my mind started, it just kind of started
Speaker 1: like not a literal snake, right, but it started slithering
Speaker 1: like my mind was going on this like wavy pattern,
Speaker 1: and it felt like it was changing. And next thing
Speaker 1: I knew, I was downstairs in my dining room, and
Speaker 1: I was like, WHOA, this is weird. And I looked
Speaker 1: at my dining room and this is the strangest thing.
Speaker 1: But I'm just gonna tell exactly what I saw. I
Speaker 1: saw myself, but I looked like a clown, but like
Speaker 1: a scary clown. What And he turned. He had long
Speaker 1: black hair and it was me with like this white paint.
Speaker 1: And he turned and he looked at me, and he
Speaker 1: put his finger to his mouth and he went like,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like I don't know, like be
Speaker 1: quiet or something. I don't know. And then it changed
Speaker 1: and I wasn't seeing myself anymore. I was seeing this
Speaker 1: strange machine. Like if you've ever seen the movie Howel's
Speaker 1: Moving Castle, it's like a Japanese animated film. You know
Speaker 1: you've seen it or you seeing it? He said, yes,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a it's a it's a Japanese animated movie,
Speaker 1: but it's really good. And it was like produced by Disney,
Speaker 1: and it's this Wizard's Castle and this Wizard's Castle is
Speaker 1: like this machine and it's really weird and it's like
Speaker 1: this abstract thing that has all these like weird cod
Speaker 1: parts and yeah, it's a weird thing. And I was
Speaker 1: seeing a machine like that, like that was so abstract
Speaker 1: that it was just kind of had all these whistles
Speaker 1: and pistons and things, and it was like really like
Speaker 1: aggressively doing all this mechanical stuff. And this information was
Speaker 1: coming to me that I was being like tuned up.
Speaker 1: And then it changed, and then the vision changed and
Speaker 1: I saw this stone statue and it had its hands
Speaker 1: up like a Hindu deity, and its tongue was out
Speaker 1: and it had these wide eyes, and uh, it's shocked me.
Speaker 1: And I could see the stone texture and everything, and
Speaker 1: it just shocked me, and I went back into my body.
Speaker 1: The next day, I was so perturbed by this. I
Speaker 1: was like, what the heck was that stone statue? I
Speaker 1: started looking up Hindu deities right with the with the
Speaker 1: tongue out and the eyes wide and I found out
Speaker 1: it's Collie. I was like, oh great, doesn't she wear
Speaker 1: baby necklaces? Baby skull necklaces? No, seriously, like in Hindu mythology,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm talking about death, the goddess of death. Ye, darkness.
Speaker 1: But you know, there is a view, and I guess
Speaker 1: you could say, like Buddhism or Hinduism, that the more
Speaker 1: shocking the image or the vision or the supernatural experience,
Speaker 1: the more uh aggressively it's dissolving your ego.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, you know.
Speaker 1: And what's really strange is a week before I had
Speaker 1: this out of body experience, something was sent to me
Speaker 1: in the mail. Let's take a look at what it was.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what it is.
Speaker 1: Oh, whoa, it's a pyramid by a gentleman named Meta
Speaker 1: Mancy on Instagram. Look at the bottom. Who's that?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh? Yeah wait what with the baby's necklace? Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, yeah, no way. So I was freaked out a
Speaker 1: little bit. Whoa, So I started digging what does this mean?
Speaker 1: What does this mean? Oh? It's you know, it's fine.
Speaker 1: The more shocking the image, the more it ceased to
Speaker 1: dissolve your ego.
Speaker 3: Like wow, this like energetically permeated your vision.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm I'm kind of working on a theory
Speaker 1: right now that like it's important to learn to see
Speaker 1: without fear, you know, like you you know, sometimes things
Speaker 1: can be frightening, but maybe it's okay, Maybe it's a test,
Speaker 1: Maybe it serves to break down your barriers you have
Speaker 1: in your mind. I don't know, it's just theories, right,
Speaker 1: But I don't even know how he got here.
Speaker 3: But it's a magic journey that we're on, my friend.
Speaker 3: We just we just go where it takes, where the
Speaker 3: energy takes us.
Speaker 1: What's your take on that.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, no, no, no, you you mentioned something earlier
Speaker 3: about there was Lifeline. We were talking about Lifeline and
Speaker 3: then you said that you do.
Speaker 2: Was it reliefs or oh right, retrievals?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, retrieval what what is? What is that?
Speaker 3: Because lifeline is remind me what lifeline is? She should Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're right, I've never done fair. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I took Lifeline. It's a graduate program at Monroe
Speaker 2: and it is a program that's based primarily with a
Speaker 2: service orientation, with the idea that we're taught essentially how
Speaker 2: to go into other states of consciousness and be able
Speaker 2: to find and locate in those states of consciousness, if
Speaker 2: you want to say, the souls or the consciousness of
Speaker 2: people who may have died and are not away air
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 3: Right. I heard about this vaguely. I would love to
Speaker 3: hear more about this. That is beyond fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a for me anyway. It was a really
Speaker 2: profound program. It was one of the ones that I
Speaker 2: was really dying, dying, come on, I really wanted to
Speaker 2: take and it met all of my hopes and everything
Speaker 2: because we were taught how to get to a state
Speaker 2: of consciousness in which we might be able to locate
Speaker 2: or find those people. And then there are several states
Speaker 2: between that called the belief system territories, where in the
Speaker 2: past podcast with Archie we were talking a little bit
Speaker 2: about what people like expect when they die, and these
Speaker 2: belief system territories could be described as that. So it
Speaker 2: could encompass anything anything, whether it's a Christianity or whether
Speaker 2: it's Buddhism, or whether it's nothing or whether you know,
Speaker 2: no matter what it is, if people are thinking strongly
Speaker 2: enough and believing strongly enough that that is what's going
Speaker 2: to happen, then that is what their consciousness will create.
Speaker 2: And so in those states of consciousness, those are the
Speaker 2: belief system territories.
Speaker 1: So it's like thought forms, right, kind of like we
Speaker 1: can be trapped in thought forms of fear at death
Speaker 1: if we have bad ideas about death.
Speaker 2: Right we could, right, we couldn't you help those people? Yes?
Speaker 1: Yea?
Speaker 2: And it could be people who aren't aware, like as
Speaker 2: you were talking about. I think then where you don't
Speaker 2: believe in anything, so you still think you're in your
Speaker 2: physical body and you've got a ghost, right, And so
Speaker 2: that's a possibility. And then there is an area beyond
Speaker 2: that that is essentially human created, created by human consciousness,
Speaker 2: called the park, and that is a place of rest
Speaker 2: and regeneration for souls to go to after they've died.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: So what we do is we go to that place,
Speaker 2: we find people that might be stuck, and then we
Speaker 2: bring them through the belief system territories and essentially the
Speaker 2: idea is to get them to the park where they
Speaker 2: can be greeted by souls that are there to do
Speaker 2: just that and take care of them, and then they
Speaker 2: can rest and just go on their merry way. We
Speaker 2: just sort of drop them off there if you will.
Speaker 2: But sometimes what happens, and why I'm describing the belief
Speaker 2: system territories is that if that person's beliefs had been
Speaker 2: strong enough, they don't always get all the way to
Speaker 2: the park. Sometimes they kind of drop off into those territories.
Speaker 2: And that's okay because now they're not stuck. They're just
Speaker 2: you know, at a different place. But so we're in
Speaker 2: this other state and learning to do that. And the
Speaker 2: reason why I wanted to do that so much was
Speaker 2: because after learning how to do that, I would go
Speaker 2: to places that were kind of famously haunted. So I
Speaker 2: spent time in Fredericksburg, Virginia, where they're both the Revolutionary
Speaker 2: War and the Civil War had been fought and there
Speaker 2: had been battles there, or going to the Civil War
Speaker 2: battlefields and kind of helping people out and just going
Speaker 2: into that state while you know, sitting in the field
Speaker 2: or whatever. And then the other thing that once you
Speaker 2: learn those skills, if someone close to me has died
Speaker 2: and I'm concerned because of who they were in this life,
Speaker 2: then I would at least feel like I could have
Speaker 2: the ability to go and check on them, make sure
Speaker 2: they were kind of not stuck. So it's a service,
Speaker 2: and it's one that's really really meaningful to me. But
Speaker 2: it's also empowering because you know, I mean, you start
Speaker 2: to realize that all all everybody needs is love and
Speaker 2: helping hand really.
Speaker 1: Everyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, yeah, gosh.
Speaker 3: That's so profound and what a cool thing. Yeah, the
Speaker 3: service aspect of it, like with great power comes great
Speaker 3: responsibility kind of thing. That's I find that really admirable
Speaker 3: because you could do this kind of stuff and have
Speaker 3: these experiences and explore and but to have the opportunity
Speaker 3: to reach out and help beyond the physical realm is like,
Speaker 3: it's so mind blowing. I don't think there's enough people
Speaker 3: submitting applications for that job. I think I think we
Speaker 3: need a lot of people on that on that job.
Speaker 1: It's hardcore.
Speaker 3: That's incredible.
Speaker 2: One thing that was really cool that kind of blew
Speaker 2: me away, and I can't remember. I think it was
Speaker 2: after taking Lifeline. You guys may have seen this, but
Speaker 2: it was a I think it was a Brazilian movie
Speaker 2: called astral City.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it.
Speaker 3: Astral City, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2: Think so much. And it was about a man, a
Speaker 2: doctor who died and it followed his life in the afterlife,
Speaker 2: and this was a movie that was based on channeled material.
Speaker 2: Oh and so it followed his life in the afterlife.
Speaker 2: They interestingly, for what it's worth, they called him a suicide,
Speaker 2: even though he hadn't actively committed suicide, but because he
Speaker 2: so completely ignored his health issues, they still called it
Speaker 2: that wow in the afterlife and he had to kind
Speaker 2: of he had this experience that we're talking about today,
Speaker 2: where at first, because he didn't believe in anything and
Speaker 2: he'd been negative enough and bad tempered enough when he died,
Speaker 2: his experience was one of darkness and was really scary,
Speaker 2: and he had to sort of awaken and open his
Speaker 2: eyes in order to move ahead and beyond. But what
Speaker 2: really hit me was that once he got into what's
Speaker 2: called the astral City and he started being of service
Speaker 2: and learning to help other souls that had departed, it
Speaker 2: looked in so many ways like the Park. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, like, look, there's a
Speaker 2: real similarity. And man, you can't make this stuff up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I have so many questions now, like
Speaker 1: are there ever any moments when you're doing like retrievals
Speaker 1: or lifeline type you know, meditations.
Speaker 3: Are there.
Speaker 1: Are there any spirits or whatever you want to call
Speaker 1: them in particular that you've spoken to on more than
Speaker 1: one occasion?
Speaker 2: Do you mean like people that I was helping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, like day days a part of me, like
Speaker 1: different days, like oh you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: any familiar I'm just curious, like I'm curious about the
Speaker 1: connection or the relationship that could be made on the
Speaker 1: other side, that that could go on. If that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Oh that's possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh absolutely, yes. I had been married, my husband
Speaker 2: died and I was able to contact with him, and
Speaker 2: same with my a niece of mine and my mother.
Speaker 1: Oh so yeah, Okay, now I'm starting to get the
Speaker 1: sense of like why this is such meaningful work to you?
Speaker 2: That's yes. I mean my mother died before for me
Speaker 2: taking lifeline, and my niece did too, And in my
Speaker 2: first lifeline I saw both of them.
Speaker 3: Yehow you were you were you trying to see them?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, we're just there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my niece especially, Yeah, were they.
Speaker 1: Like aware of you trying to get to that place
Speaker 1: like me? I don't want to prive it's personal.
Speaker 2: Not at all. No, I mean they were really just
Speaker 2: kind of hanging out, and I find that I found
Speaker 2: that more reassuring. Like Mom was busy. I got this
Speaker 2: impression she was kind of like a tour guide at
Speaker 2: a museum. I mean, you know, yeah, that is fascinating.
Speaker 3: I wonder if you even could find some soul, a
Speaker 3: specific person's soul intentionally in that place, how would that
Speaker 3: even work. It's just it's the whole the lifeline stuff
Speaker 3: is really fascinating.
Speaker 1: It's so fascinating, man. And and this just came through
Speaker 1: to me earlier, but it's like, how crazy, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like this is such an amazing conversation, and right
Speaker 1: now in the month of October, like you know, Halloween
Speaker 1: around the corner, Yeah it is. And it just feels
Speaker 1: so like festive to even be talking about such a
Speaker 1: I don't mean strange in a bad way, but such
Speaker 1: a like bizarre topic. You know, I don't know, like
Speaker 1: me and Jenny have been watching spooky movies, but this
Speaker 1: is riveting stuff. Like there's so many questions that come
Speaker 1: to my mind about this.
Speaker 4: So on the topic of Halloween, though, do you think
Speaker 4: that doing a lifeline on Halloween or on these solstices
Speaker 4: where the veil is thinner, do you do you have
Speaker 4: you had or witnessed a change in the connection or
Speaker 4: do you think it has an effect on on I
Speaker 4: mean either lifeline or gateway as a whole, or any
Speaker 4: of them. In row practices, ours was a solstice, remember
Speaker 4: in June, it was the solstice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had that. I wouldn't be surprised, especially at
Speaker 2: those those thin places, as they say, But I would
Speaker 2: say from my own experience, though, that my intent counted
Speaker 2: for more than anything else.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a great answer. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's true for everything, right, Like those things don't
Speaker 1: necessarily matter, But then again, it's like they do. You know,
Speaker 1: it's weird. You know, on a full moon we have
Speaker 1: trouble sleeping, and.
Speaker 3: Well the traditional stories about these like solstices and like
Speaker 3: all hollows eve and like whatever. Is that just like
Speaker 3: random weirdness occurs, right, Yeah, things just kind of slip
Speaker 3: through and stuff like that. But I think what you
Speaker 3: said about like your intention counted more than anything else,
Speaker 3: that's really the kicker, Like, you know, the random stuff happening.
Speaker 3: Who knows, maybe it's a thing, maybe it's real, maybe
Speaker 3: it's not, But the truth is the intentional get you
Speaker 3: there now?
Speaker 2: Your consciousness that kind of focuses it all.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And if there's more random weirdness, all you're doing
Speaker 2: is focusing more of that maybe, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, It's like it don't matter if it's
Speaker 3: spooky day or not, Like your intentional gets you there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that is so cool. So you said it's empowering,
Speaker 1: like you know, doing the retrieval work, and I'm just curious,
Speaker 1: Like I'm curious about the changes that came over time,
Speaker 1: about like how you viewed your relationship to yourself and
Speaker 1: the universe big picture when you started to have proof
Speaker 1: of communication with the other side, you know, you're doing
Speaker 1: the lifeline work and all that, Like how did your
Speaker 1: thoughts about things generally change?
Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't know that my lifeline work changed a
Speaker 2: whole lot. Has changed a whole lot for me in
Speaker 2: terms of my relationship, and I think that's because those
Speaker 2: were some of the things that ever since I was
Speaker 2: a little kid, I was always seeing others and or
Speaker 2: feeling them or sensing them. It was such a part
Speaker 2: of my life. So this lifeline was kind of like
Speaker 2: giving me the tools to do something with it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I do think that some of the other programs helped me,
Speaker 2: helped empower me and give me the tools to sort
Speaker 2: of live out that life of service or what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to be and kind of like what you were
Speaker 2: talking about of also understanding what it is to not
Speaker 2: be special, to just have my task. All I have
Speaker 2: to do is this task and the rest. Try to
Speaker 2: get some joy while you're here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just do your.
Speaker 2: Part and then try to get try to have some joy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: as best you can.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not all on you. Just you play your part.
Speaker 3: If you're a cog in the wheel, that's just as
Speaker 3: important as every other cog in the wheel. Yeah, there's true,
Speaker 3: really beautiful about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so much less to fear. And then the
Speaker 2: less you fear, the more everything opens up to Yeah.
Speaker 1: The more you attract. That's that's a hard lesson to learn.
Speaker 1: That's like threading a needle, you know, it's it's very
Speaker 1: hard to learn. Have you done MC squared?
Speaker 2: I have not.
Speaker 1: I'm very curious about that one.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's your next one.
Speaker 1: Well, they can godline conversation, but that's you know, well,
Speaker 1: we'll see if we'll see if the universe aligns there.
Speaker 3: What's the deal with MC squared.
Speaker 1: That's like energy. I mean, you could probably fill in
Speaker 1: a little more, right. It's like basically like spoon bending
Speaker 1: type stuff and like using your mind to like kind
Speaker 1: of like alter things. Light bulbs, light bulbs, psycho it's
Speaker 1: like psychoconesis type stuff. Like it's a program. It's called
Speaker 1: MC squared. I'm not sure what that stands for, but
Speaker 1: that one really resonated with me. I definitely want to
Speaker 1: take that one. And Guidelines. I was going through the
Speaker 1: website the other day because I had to do a
Speaker 1: research assignment for an undisclosed Monroe project I'm working on,
Speaker 1: and I was just reading all the different programs and
Speaker 1: going through them, and I was just like, oh my god, guidelines.
Speaker 1: This is perfect. This appeals to me. And it's basically
Speaker 1: it's a whole program. There's there's guidelines, there's Lifeline, which
Speaker 1: is what we've been talking about. There's Heartline, which I
Speaker 1: guess that's like what being more heart centered.
Speaker 2: It's all about unconditional love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then I think that's all the lines
Speaker 1: unless I'm mistaken.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And MC squared is Manifestation and Create Creations squared
Speaker 2: and what I think what it really is about it's
Speaker 2: it's the spoon bending and the lighting of bulbs is
Speaker 2: away of showing us in the physical how much we
Speaker 2: are able to manifest and change create, Right, that's the
Speaker 2: principle behind it. But that's like showing you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I very very poorly paraphrased it. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's amazing stuff. It's amazing stuff. And then
Speaker 1: guidelines is like, by the way, for those listening, these
Speaker 1: are all things that are after Gateway, right, So like
Speaker 1: Gateway is ground zero, like that's where you start. That's
Speaker 1: where if anybody out there is like super interested Monroe
Speaker 1: and you want to dive in Gateway, right, And then
Speaker 1: they have all these programs after Gateway. That's like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is cool. I can you know, help the dead
Speaker 1: crossover to the other side. I can you know, binspoons
Speaker 1: with my mind and have tangible proof of the manifestations
Speaker 1: through my will you know? Or you have guidelines, which
Speaker 1: is like where you connect with your guides or personal
Speaker 1: guides and receive communication from them.
Speaker 3: And that's something I've always been fascinated. Yeah. I want
Speaker 3: to meet them. Yeah, I want to meet guys.
Speaker 2: They're there, have a word with them.
Speaker 3: I just want to be like, thanks, Homie, I appreciate
Speaker 3: your dog, but I just want to talk to them.
Speaker 3: I know they're.
Speaker 1: There, man, Yeah, they are right there on the other
Speaker 1: side of Yeah, I get that, man, like yeah, the introduction.
Speaker 1: I just need someone to show me how well. I
Speaker 1: mean now I guess I know who.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's awesome. That one is particularly fascinating to me.
Speaker 3: That one is Lifeline, Like those sound like the coolest,
Speaker 3: that's yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. There's there's a lot of incredible programs.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 1: Are there any other that you've done or that you
Speaker 1: have like significant experience with that stand out to you?
Speaker 2: Heartline?
Speaker 1: Heart Line? What's that like?
Speaker 2: Oh? I mean that's essentially spending the just about the
Speaker 2: entire week in that heart space that you're talking about,
Speaker 2: and in learning the power of love as a force,
Speaker 2: even a primary force, I say, or in making allowing
Speaker 2: it to be the primary force in your life. And
Speaker 2: there's there's a lot of different aspects to it, but
Speaker 2: it's it's about largely creating coherence between our thinking mind
Speaker 2: and our heart and the wisdom of our heart and
Speaker 2: sort of in training that together. And Archie would be better.
Speaker 2: He's a trainer for it. I mean, he would be
Speaker 2: better at describing it, probably, but that one was deeply
Speaker 2: meaningful for me. It is for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: I know that while we were doing the Creator Gateway,
Speaker 1: because I had lunch with Alan and Arkie one day
Speaker 1: and Amy was with us. We just sat together for
Speaker 1: you know, one of the days that she was there,
Speaker 1: and we were just talking and I was just asking her.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember what I asked her, to be honest,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. But she ended up telling me that
Speaker 1: they while we were at the top of the mountain
Speaker 1: doing our thing, the staff was down at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the mountain doing Heartline. So it's like, huh, Heartline,
Speaker 1: what the heck is that, you know? And I went
Speaker 1: and looked it up and that's very cool. But I
Speaker 1: thought it was very cool to know that like that
Speaker 1: the staff is, you know, going through programs, and it
Speaker 1: just gave me a sense of like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like thinking about you guys, like for example, you and
Speaker 1: Ignacio going through the Gateway with us, even though you've
Speaker 1: done it many times and you teach it, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, well I want to experience it too, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it never stops the Seeking Never stops, and I thought
Speaker 1: that was really cool, but you know, very fascinating stuff.
Speaker 1: It's it's very profound, like the impact that it has
Speaker 1: had on me so much so that as you could
Speaker 1: probably imagine, I really just want to help other people
Speaker 1: to be introduced to it, you know, and like I
Speaker 1: really appreciate you coming and being on the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you for inviting me. It was just such a
Speaker 2: really privilege and an honor. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: This was great.
Speaker 1: The Institute reached out to me in March and invited
Speaker 1: me to go, and I was honestly shocked. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if I specifically said this on our three
Speaker 1: part series, but like, it's just so funny because I
Speaker 1: was invited to go in twenty twenty two. I know
Speaker 1: I told you this story, but you know, for the
Speaker 1: Listener's segment, I was invited to go in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two for their first ever private UAP event with my
Speaker 1: dad and my sister and several other people. And I
Speaker 1: turned it down because I was like, well, we have
Speaker 1: a podcast and I'm afraid if I go to this
Speaker 1: thing that I won't be allowed to talk about it.
Speaker 1: And you know, you guys, go experience it and tell
Speaker 1: me about it later. And they got back and they
Speaker 1: told me about it, and it was the biggest regret
Speaker 1: in my life saying no, like literally, like there's not
Speaker 1: many things in my life that I deeply regretted, and
Speaker 1: that was one of them saying no. So this March,
Speaker 1: I got an email and it's literally, hey, we'd like
Speaker 1: you to come to the Monroe Institute free of charge
Speaker 1: to make content and videos and talk about it.
Speaker 3: So I was like, no way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's like it's you know, if manifested,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever you call it, manifestation is realm dripping
Speaker 1: over my words all day.
Speaker 3: It's a lead day, bro, it's a little day. It's
Speaker 3: a Halloween leak day.
Speaker 1: But if manifestation is a real thing, this, this to
Speaker 1: me was like tangible proof. Like I literally turned it
Speaker 1: down because I was afraid to not be able to
Speaker 1: talk about it. And now I'm being invited to talk.
Speaker 3: Like we want you to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah please, So I went, and I don't know, it
Speaker 1: just was so meaningful to me that the you know,
Speaker 1: the idea to even go and and have the experience
Speaker 1: and how my like profoundly impacted me and being asked
Speaker 1: to like help promote and realizing who the institute and
Speaker 1: like who you guys are really as people, Like you're
Speaker 1: just people just like we are. We're three guys working
Speaker 1: a camera where you guys are like twenty or thirty
Speaker 1: people running the premiere Consciousness Institute of the world. Well,
Speaker 1: it's more like one hundred trainers. But you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, you know the directors who run you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, right, who run the organization. It's like
Speaker 1: one hundred trainers, but people just like us who just
Speaker 1: happen to run this place. And it's like, wow, this
Speaker 1: is this is unreal, like just seeing behind the curtain
Speaker 1: and I just I don't know. I made it my
Speaker 1: mission to try to help just help get you guys
Speaker 1: out there and help them listening to understand, like it's
Speaker 1: it's really not this mysterious place, but yet it is,
Speaker 1: but it's also not. It's really cool and it's really
Speaker 1: fun and really exciting and really like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: easy to get into. It's natural.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's nothing to nothing to be intimidated by,
Speaker 3: right exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I was intimidated. No, I don't
Speaker 1: want to go there. I'm not gonna be allowed to
Speaker 1: talk about it. I don't know what to think. You know,
Speaker 1: my experience meeting people or you know, reading about CIA
Speaker 1: tapes and this and that, and then you get there
Speaker 1: and you see the reality. Yeah, it's just like the coolest, friendliest, funnest,
Speaker 1: just kindest. Yeah, well intentioned the environment. But but then
Speaker 1: on the other side of that, like the level of
Speaker 1: mastery of the psychic, you know, the mystical whatever, it's
Speaker 1: it's the technique. Yeah, the technique of education. It's unlike
Speaker 1: anything I've ever seen. It's it's one of the best
Speaker 1: experiences I've ever had in my life. So anyway, I'm
Speaker 1: going on and on. I'm just really glad that you came.
Speaker 1: I'm really glad you guys would do this with us,
Speaker 1: and I'm humbled. So is there anything that you feel
Speaker 1: like you want to get on your chest?
Speaker 2: No, I think you said it really well. But you
Speaker 2: know what I was thinking about was that that concept
Speaker 2: of Monroe being sort of mysterious and and how what
Speaker 2: it really is. And I think all of us who
Speaker 2: are there are wide open and all we want is
Speaker 2: for as many people as possible to experience the largest
Speaker 2: sense of self they possibly can, you know, And is
Speaker 2: there mystery in that? Yeah, because anything worth exploring has
Speaker 2: mystery to it. Yeah, but that's where the fun is too.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm really grateful Ryan for all of this
Speaker 2: that you're doing to get it out there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really appreciate that. I think that this is
Speaker 1: a wonderful collaboration that is only beginning, you know. So
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see what comes of it, right, but
Speaker 1: you know, the disgui's the limit. And well, because you
Speaker 1: were in the studio when we did our kis amazing episode,
Speaker 1: do you know how we in.
Speaker 3: The show the exit? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So all right, bye.
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