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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellas Echo's I am dan fa Valley

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coming at you once again with the one the Only

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mister Mort Jensen of the NBA Podcast, fame, of Yahoo's Sports,

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Yahoo Sports, Fame, of Forbes fame, and of OnlyFans Celebrity.

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We're gonna continue take a little break from talking about

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offseason look ahead, except we're tackling the overarching, biggest question

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that we have for every team, so every team in

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the league. We're just gonna break it down by division

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because it's neat and clean that way. We already did

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the Southwest Division as we're recording this, so go check

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that out, and now we're onto let's stick in the South.

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We're gonna go to the Southeast Division. Hornets fans are

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getting a lot of content from Hardwood Knox. We just

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put up their offseason look ahead, so we're here to

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just pump out as much Hornet's content as possible around

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these parts before we dive in, Mort, how the heck

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are you? Well?

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Speaker 2: I was doing a lot better until you said that

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we're supposed to just hammer out a bunch of Hornets content.

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I know we're going to talk about them today, but

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let's keep that one brief, because good lord.

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Speaker 1: I don't honestly, We'll get to that team. But I

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don't understand why so many people are down on the Hornets.

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I think they're in Like, they don't have the best

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spot in the league, but their books are flexible. They

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don't really have any bad contracts on the books. Maybe

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a bad human being on the books, yeah, for sure.

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But I think that I'm higher on the Hornets, I

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guess than most people, at least in terms of long

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term view. We're not going to talk about the Hornets though, alphabetically.

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What we are going to talk about them alphabetically though,

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we begin with the Atlanta Hawks more. What is your

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question for this team?

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Speaker 2: I just want to know what the hell they're doing?

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Are they still building around Trey Young?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Are they pivoting? Is Trey Young going to be more

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of a complimentary of albeit high volume, complimentary player, Like

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what is their end goal here? Who is going to

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be their best player moving forward? Do they still I

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think it's straight to the thing. Is Sheal and john

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Snow they're leaning into the Zakari Risha sha Era, like,

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I just want to know what their centerpiece of the

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future is going to be.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a fair question, and I'll throw a

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mine out there because I think that they're just interconnected.

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And I want to know if Trey is one going

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to sign an extension this summer, and two if he does,

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are we talking about a max deal? The max they

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could give him is like four years and almost two

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hundred and nine million dollars. I think that ties it

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nicely to well, what is the timeline is Trey Younger centerpiece?

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is I thought Jaron Jackson Junior was gonna be a

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lit mistest for that this summer when I believed he

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was gonna make all MBA, and because he didn't, I

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don't think he he's not eligible for the Supermax, but

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he could have signed for thirty percent of the max.

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It didn't have to be for thirty five percent had

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he been eligible. I'm just wondering if we've entered a

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stage in which, unless you were just a certified like

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top ten to fifteen player, that you're not just gonna

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have these extensions handed to you where it's like the

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Calves with Donovan Mitchell, no brainer. But Tray with the Hawks,

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is he going to be on that level? And I

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think the importance to the franchise when they don't control

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they already gave away this year's first round pick, they

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don't control twenty six or twenty seven either. You can

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argue he's hyper important. But if you don't think that

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he's one of the things is people say, oh, move

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him anyway. It doesn't matter that you don't have your

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own picks. But no one can ever name the team

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that's gonna come in with like the mega offer for

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Trey Young. And if you don't think he's gonna get

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that mega offer, now, what makes you think that he

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like a longer deal that's gonna pay him again like

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a crap ton of money. And so I'm not even

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trying to dendigrate Trey Young here. He just kind of

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falls to that bucket where mort you're the Hawks, are

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you offering him an extension? Is it the full boat?

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Speaker 1: What are you doing here? If you're Atlanta I'm playing hardball.

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on my terms, meaning, yeah, he'll get compensated, but he

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won't bet. He won't get compensated at a max level.

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to get probably the amount of money that he wants,

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because every player, understandably so wants to get as much

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as they want. I'm not sacrificing future flexibility for him.

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I'm not sacrificing my books for him moving forward, especially

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when I have Jilan Johnston on what is going to

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look like a very reasonable contract as it that very

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important inclusion. You're absolutely right, very import important inclusion. I've

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decided to stay optimistic about Jalen Johnson, but I do

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think it's a very fair point that if he's continuously

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injured faddy million per year that's going to be a

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significant chunk of money. But for Trey, yeah, I'm not

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handing him a thirty percent max. I'm not at that

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level whatsoever. I'm even like, I understand it might be

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viewed as dis respect, you know, going to a veteran

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who is eligible for a certain percentage and offering him

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something lower than that, but I honestly think somewhere along

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the lines of twenty five percent max for him that's

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not that's actually not a max, but like old max

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twenty five percent of the cap. That seems like a

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fair middle ground for both sides.

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Speaker 1: You kind of like want to keep him where he is.

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I think, what is his player option for like fifty

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million in that.

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Speaker 2: Contract of forty nine, but that's actually let me just

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make sure twenty nine almost percent there, So I think

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he was on the thirty like this year or sorry,

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next year twenty five to twenty six. His cap percentage

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is twenty nine point seven, so I want him add

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I almost wonder if it would make more sense for

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both sides to say, like, here's a shorter term one

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to where it's like you kind of tie yourself to

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Trey while you don't have your picks, and you could

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then talk to him and say, look, you get to

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re enter free agency sooner when maybe you're available at

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that point for the thirty five percent, Like that's how

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that I'm probably trying to get him locked down for

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because if I'm I know that there's gonna be more

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cap space next year, but he has to decline his

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player option to reach free agency. And so if you're

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Trey Young, yeah, they'll be don't get me wrong, They'll

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be teams out there that want Trey Young. Were you

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confident enough to turn down nearly fifty million dollars and

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say like, I'm gonna get like, there's gonna be a

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team out there that gives me the mega deal? I

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will say though, if you if you offer him any

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sort of extension and he turns it down, your decision

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it's it's it's f the picks. You have to look

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at moving him anyway because do you want to risk

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losing him for nothing next summer? Or alternatively, are you

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just gonna get less for him? Because maybe he opts

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into his contract, which is like, you know, the Hawks

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could look at it and say, like, maybe you opt

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feel like something's gone wrong there. And I kind of

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wonder how this season plays a part of it, because

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he was still like their offense was still way better

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with him on the court, but he was not like

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efficient by his normal standards. And I know he was

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kind of dealing with that Achilles stuff. But he's a

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small guard. And so if you're the Hawks, you might

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almost want to wait and see and say, Okay, we

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need him right now, but how much do we need

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him for moving forward? And you don't just want to

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tailor yourself to well, this has to be the guy

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when honestly, I think even if you keep Trey, it

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would not be unreasonable to say you still need your

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best player of like the title contention era Atlanta Hawks,

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whenever that era may begin. They're just in a really

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tough spot. Like it's sort of fascinating with Trey because

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I think he's an incredibly talented offensive basketball player. The

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passing is just incredible. Yes, any given season, he could

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make an All NBA team. I know a lot of

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people are down, but it's like kind of Domas Sabonis territory,

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given season. That's a big deal. I don't think he

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hurts the development of guys like Dyson Daniels on Yekakongu,

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Zachary Resa che Jalen Johnson. If anything, I think he

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augments it because you're making their jobs easier, and none

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for sort of an offensive hub, so to speak, but

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like other than that, you don't like that's not supposed

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to be. Zachary Resa, Schey, Dyson Daniels can give you

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some secondary stuff, but just with his shooting limitations, defenses

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ball in his hands outside of transition anyway, I just

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think I'm gonna be throwing it back to I would

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at this point. And I also don't think that people

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understand how important he might be to even a if

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you don't want to call it a rebuilding version of

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the Hawks, of this sort of just like retooling version

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of the Atlanta Hawks. I don't think that people fully

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understand like how important he is but also like how

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much he could actively help them maybe get to where

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they want to go. But I do think that will

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be relative to well how much are we paying this

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guy because this franchise is not Look, when you look

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at their books this year, they have plenty of room

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beneath the luxury tax. But when you're moving forward, it's, oh,

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Dyson Daniels is extension eligible. You got to think about that.

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Karas Lavertz a free agent this year, and you don't

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really have a secondary ball handler right now, is the

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other thing. So you have to think about that as well.

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areas I want to say Trey is underrated. At the

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same time, you have to ask the major question, which

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is how far can you go with him as your

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number one? Like if he is your clear cut number

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one guy, like what is your aspiration level? Like are

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you satisfied, you know, being potentially a first round playoff

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team and that's that? And if that's like for a

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stretch of three or five years, like are you okay

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with that? Do you just take the gate money and

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a look, we're competitive, we are giving our fame base

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a playoff team. That's cool, Like maybe one of those

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the Eastern conference and going, Look, it's a revolving door

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of champions every single year. We want to get in

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Speaker 1: What would be the ideal archetype of whether you want

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to consider that in him their second best player or

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their best player, Like, who's the ideal type of archetype

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or star to place around Trey Young?

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Speaker 2: Realistic or unrealistic?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, is anything? What would be I mean,

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if you're gonna go out there and say, like Prime James, Yeah,

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two names if you want to throw the I thought

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Jalen Brown would be interesting for this team.

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I thought he had a bad year.

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Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, if you get if you you know

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what's funny, If you get me Trey Young the age

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twenty three Tray Young where he was averaging like twenty

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eight plus and hitting forty forty six sorry percent of

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his shots, and he was way more efficient than he

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is right now. And you're giving me Jalen Brown from

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two years ago. That would be a fun mashup. I

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wouldn't hate that.

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Speaker 1: So you're thinking like it needs to be on the

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level of like a young like no, like you need

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a top ten star beside where it needs to be

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just a Yannis level player. Yeah, he might be available,

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by the way, right.

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Speaker 2: No, I think so, I mean, and that's that's not

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trying to like slander tray whatsoever. But we just have

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to be realistic. He's a small guard and in today's league,

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especially now where we're seeing the return of size Dan,

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can tell you from experience as well, having spoken to

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scouts and people here over in my neck of the

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woods who have insights into like pre draft processes and whatnot,

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and the feedback you know, small European guards are getting

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now compared to what they're getting what they were getting

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just five years ago, it's vastly different. Like before then

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they were like, oh yeah, yeah, if you can play

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off Temple, there's probably a role for you over a

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state side. Nowadays it's like, oh, if you're six foot

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one or like under good freakin' luck. So the size

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thing is a real thing. It's it's a real complication.

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The fact that he's not a great defender by any

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stretch of the imagination is also problematic. The fact that

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these high turnover is also problematic. That said, everything you

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lay or outlined previously about his strengths, I buy that

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you're absolutely right that he does. He has this ability

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to enhance the play of guys around him, and that

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is not a small thing either. He is arguably one

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of the weirdest players to sort of build something around.

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difficult to like get a read on in terms of

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how do you optimize them in their respective roles. For example,

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years time, Paula Benkaro is going to be the next

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one to be included in that conversation. But that's probably

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for a different time.

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Speaker 1: Well that's interesting, Yeah, that well, it might be for

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a different time in this exact podcast. So I would

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just say he's better defensively than any of the names

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that you just mentioned, would helps him. The thing with Trey, though,

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I would wonder, just like you're right about the size thing. Yeah,

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it's an issue, but like all, he's kind of proven

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already offensively. You mentioned like a Yannis type there. It

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feels like not that the Hawks have gone in that direction.

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They seem to understand and I don't think it's exactly

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worked out perfectly, but they've tried to surround him and

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insulate him defensively when you look like, look at who

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is there with Onyeka cong Wu, zachararysi Che Dyson Daniels.

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So there's like kind of the makings of all right,

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we're just trying to surround him with as much just

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active or disruptive defenders and versatile defenders as possible. And

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want to it feels like they have three options to

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where they could look at trading Trey and like kind of,

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you know, screw the picks, like we're just gonna rebuild,

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keep Trey and still continue to try and build, or

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maybe this is a team that should look at Yeah,

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if if you have the assets to get Yannis and

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you're still gonna have players left over. If I'm at Lanta,

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I'm absolutely looking at it. I'm considering it. Trey and

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Giannis would be basketball and Nirvana, but like does Anthony

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Davis shaik louse out of Dallas at any point, Like

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there's some weird stuff going on, like you could do

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something like that where maybe it's not as costly, even

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though he was traded for Lukadancic, But that sort of

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feels like the mold where it's you want it to

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be a big who is more dominant than an On

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Yuka kung Wu or Jalen Johnson.

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Speaker 2: I like the Davis inclusion there, that's a good one.

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A few years ago when our mutual friend Brian Saporik

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and I we were discussing the Hawks. This is actually

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three or four years ago, because this was before they

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went in with all their cap space and went the

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direction that they did. They had, if you remember, just

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oodles of money. They had so many draft picks lined up,

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they had trade possibilities up the wazu, and we were

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talking like could they actually get like two more high

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volume guys and the two players we outlined at the time,

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ironically enough, one of them Jalen Brown. The other one

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was Karl Anthony Sounds. And this was before he was

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I want to say, like the word was out on

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him defensively I think now it's extremely difficult to pair

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Young and townds defensively that they would get just smacked

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in the mouth that said offensively, good Lord, I mean

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that could also be a very potent duo with the

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Knicks be open to moving him. If so, what did

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they want to return? That's also a discussion. But I

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do think we agree on the overarching element of it

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needs to be a big man in some capacity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's not saying on Yekakungu can't be like

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a starter. It's just that you either need the player

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who's next to him to be better than Jalen Johnson

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or I don't think it's insulting to say, like you

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need someone who's more defensively dominant than a congo in

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that role, like just more imposing. I agree, although you

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mentioned Cornsley Town's I don't know, assuming if Jalen Johnson's

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still on the team after that trade of Jalen Johnson

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cat Trey Young defense, I don't know if that's gonna

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go too many places. I'm not gonna lie. Let's move

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on to the Charlotte Hornets, who we reference at the

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top of this podcast more. What's your biggest question for them.

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Speaker 2: Well should they be buyers? And the reason I'm asking

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that is exclusively due to the Detroit Pistons. The Pistons

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obviously were horrible last year, one of the worst teams

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that we've probably ever seen, and they turned it around

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by leaning into age first and foremost, and secondarily there

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were internal improvements, but they decided to go outside of

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the organization to get some veteran leadership, some guys who

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just knows how to play basketball, and lo and behold,

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they made it to the playoffs. I'm not saying that

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Hornets are going to replicate that, but they do have

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talent on that roster. I think that's fair to say.

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The question is can they build something on top of

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that talent and perhaps stretch their internal improvement to a

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place where they next year find themselves in the play

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in Is it time to be buyers or are we

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a couple of years away.

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Speaker 1: I think there would be a case for them to

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be opportunistic buyers to where I think when you look

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at this what became the biggest difference for the Pistons

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this year was, yeah, you got some development. Once Asar

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Thompson was healthy, for sure, Jaalen Duran got better, but

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it was also just you added Molik Beasley on a

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six million dollar contract. You added Tim Hardaway Junior, even

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though I didn't love that Quentin Grimes compensation trade, and

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you just redefined your floor spacing essentially, And so can

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you do something like that? And I think if it's

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I don't think, I mean Giannis and LaMelo Ball would

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also be like who is Johanna's not basketball porn with?

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But LaMelo Ball and Giannis would be you talk about entertaining,

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like the entertainment factor up there, I don't I find

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myself with this team what's interesting? I really like. I

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shouldn't say I really like the vision because I don't

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know that I understand it yet, but I respect that

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they haven't tried to expedite that vision the new front

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office under Jeff Peterson. And I think that's why if

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you're a Hornets fan, you should have confidence that, Okay,

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they're not going to short circuit this thing. But I

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do find myself wondering that, well, if they were gonna

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buy you have LaMelo Ball, you have Brendon Miller, and

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you have whoever you're gonna take it. The number four pick.

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A lot of people seem to think that it's gonna

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be VJ. Edgecombe. Sure, fine, what do you want off there?

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Because I would say, as right now, the only players

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I'm prepared depends. Like tray Man is interesting if you

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can keep him in restricted free agency. Sure, there are

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some other guys to kind of like on this roster,

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but like and they've again, I just want to reiterate,

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I think the front office is smart. The past two

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trade deadlines, they've picked up extra first round picks, including

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that Dallas first round or that's top two protected in

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twenty twenty seven. What is it if you could have

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juggling or if you want to name a specific player,

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So if you could juggle like plausibility with being ambitious

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or just an archetype of player. If you're the Hornets

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and you're buying, what are what player or type of player?

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You then in the market for.

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Speaker 2: Two way wings if anything, and also a center who

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is probably more durable. No, yeah, just.

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Speaker 1: No, Grant Williams use of Nurkic and Mark Williams isn't.

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Speaker 2: Doing it for I know it's harsh. I would want

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some more stability at the center spot, and I would

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want more two way guys, not you know, two way players,

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not in terms of two way contractual players, because who cares.

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I want someone who can go in and defend point

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of attack, hit threes, who can space the floor. And

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then I'm probably also gonna be in need of a

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new you know, maybe a new training staff or a

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new doctor staff.

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Speaker 1: They overhauled that last year, Oh they did?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean LaMelo just still isn't on the floor.

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So and Brandon Miller played twenty seven games, Yeah, that

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worked out well.

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Speaker 1: Well he had Okay, he had like a real Brandon

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Miller wasn't a reoccurring injury had as far was at

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the wrist, like that was just me.

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Speaker 2: I'm okay, but like they have not exactly been a

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pillar of health right either this year and her last year.

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I'm just saying, if if they overhauled, they think that's

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actually something I missed, So maya colpa. That's what that's

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on me. Here's hoping that works out eventually, I guess.

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But but they're just gonna need someone around that twosome

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of a Mellow and Brandon Miller who are going to

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score the ball. And then I think again, moving off

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Miles bridges for obvious reasons, perfectly to China. If you

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can just.

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Speaker 1: Cha to be even more fair, I'll say, because what

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you're saying is fair. Some of those reasons are also

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basketball reasons in my opinion, Like that.

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Speaker 2: Is also true. Yes, yes, I would definitely prefer someone

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who is a little bit more Yeah, two way oriented.

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There's a thought that keeps occurring or reoccurring in my mind.

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So the Raptures, we know, you know Messiah, Jerry runs

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those guys. He is always a fan of international players.

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It's been set for a while, and it might be

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a smoke screen, might not. I lean into buying it

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that they're high on Kaman mal Watch from Duke, like

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the Duke Center and the Raptors have pick nine. If

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the Hornets are aren't in love absolutely head over heels

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in love with someone at four, that would be smart

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to trade down and see whatever else you can get,

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And like I haven't specified what that else could be,

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but just picking up additional assets that would be smart

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for them.

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Speaker 1: Something like I don't know if this would be enough,

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but o chaiak Baji would be great in Charlotte plus

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nine plus maybe like a protected first for number four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be fun.

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Speaker 1: That'd be an interesting try. I mean you could also

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I don't know if like just because they need I

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think they I really like Yaka Perl, but I think

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Toronto might need a different look at center. If you're

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gonna have Ingram, Barrett and Barnes all on this team,

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Uh like Yaka Purl, just like Yaka Pearl nine and

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ochaiak Baji. If like for number four, Yaka Purl'll be

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semi and like you have to send out more salary,

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then sure, but that'd be a semi interesting return for Charlotte.

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Speaker 2: I actually don't hate that whatsoever. That'd be fun. Like

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Perle is probably that type of guy there for that team.

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You know, he's he's a little bit better offensively than

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people give him credit for, but mostly he is, you know,

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a rebound er, scrappy guy, opportunistic guy.

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Speaker 1: The screen center.

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Speaker 2: Yeah good, Yeah, exactly. There are a lot of things

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there that would be easy to implement in Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: Do you I wonder if they view him as enough

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of because we haven't really seen him. Trying to think

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back to who LaMelo has played with, Like, he doesn't

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play with a ton of what I would call decision

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making bigs and Yakka pearls on a Raptor's team that

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would like to get out in transition, so that's not

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foreign to him by any means. But he's not like,

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that's not You don't look at Yaka Pearl like, well,

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look at that guy hot foot in it up the

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00:23:39,079 --> 00:23:41,400
floor all the time, so he'd be more of a

475
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,039
decision making big. I would like to see the look

476
00:23:43,079 --> 00:23:45,640
of LaMelo there. And it's like if use of Nurkic

477
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,240
is the outgoing money, even if it's Miles Bridges, just

478
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,880
as the outgoing money like Nurkic is on expiring contracts.

479
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,160
Maybe that's why Toronto would look at that. I kind

480
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,319
of like that package. I'm complimenting my own idea, which

481
00:23:56,319 --> 00:23:57,000
I don't normally do.

482
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,759
Speaker 2: Well, that's fine, what do you how do you feel?

483
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,920
Go ahead? Yeah, I was. I was gonna ask you

484
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,440
a quick question or a big question. What tech going for LaMelo?

485
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: Well? Am I running the NBA team? Because then they

486
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,160
can get a whole lot for him.

487
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,759
Speaker 2: I'm asking you to take your LaMelo ball jersey off

488
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,720
just for a moment and be as objective as you

489
00:24:20,759 --> 00:24:24,400
can be about this young so called superstar.

490
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:29,799
Speaker 1: I think they get more than the Kings got for

491
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,359
the Aaron Fox. He's under contracts for longer. It's the

492
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,960
fun Max. The Kings actually did fairly well under the circumstances,

493
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,440
even though they had no business letting the circumstances get

494
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,640
to that point or prioritizing Zach Lavine as the return

495
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,720
in that. But I think they would get more than

496
00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:48,079
the Aaron Fox, and so like the equivalent of what

497
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,960
four first round picks, however you want to spread that out.

498
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:54,119
I would be curious to know the team, like if

499
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,960
he if they were gonna listen on LaMelo, Orlando better

500
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,079
be like the first team call because he is such

501
00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:03,440
a perfect fit there and you can insulate him against

502
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:04,880
his biggest issues.

503
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:05,559
Speaker 2: Right.

504
00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:08,799
Speaker 1: I love him in Houston. I would love him in

505
00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:10,680
I don't know if I don't know if the Clippers

506
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,799
have the assets to get there, probably not, but he

507
00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:15,599
would be fun a hell on the Clippers. If Utah

508
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,519
is getting a little itchy because Austin Ange is already

509
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:19,119
talking about how they won't tank, but I really think

510
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,960
that that was just an analog for the Western Conference

511
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,640
is so good that we could play everybody we want.

512
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,519
We're still going to be fourteenth. I really think that

513
00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:28,519
that's what Austin Ainge was saying. We don't need Walker

514
00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:30,720
Kessler taking nine threes a game or something. It's maybe

515
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,319
what he said to Tank, but Utah, if they were

516
00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:36,759
looking to accelerate things, that'd be an interesting fit there. Uh.

517
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 2: I had something specific in mind, well not super specific,

518
00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:45,160
like a package that's center around it.

519
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,039
Speaker 1: Is it to the Knicks? Are we trading with Colt

520
00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:47,920
Bridges and no?

521
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,039
Speaker 2: Same division though? Same division?

522
00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: Uh?

523
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 2: Toronto Philadelphia? So let's okay, stay with me on this one.

524
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,240
You'll need to add salary and unfortunately spot track is

525
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:03,640
down right now, which is not helping me whatsoever. Keith

526
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,519
Smith get on it immediately. A package around number three

527
00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:14,079
and Paul George for LaMelo and additional salary.

528
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:19,839
Speaker 1: Huh, that's interesting. I think, you know, I think someone

529
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,599
in our YouTube comments actually proposed Paul George and number

530
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,480
three for it was like number four and I don't

531
00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:31,119
even know it wasn't LaMelo going out. I think that

532
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,960
Philly would have they would have to include other stuff,

533
00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:35,839
like it'd have to be picks, right, like what are

534
00:26:35,839 --> 00:26:38,559
you going to give up? Like it's not just Paul

535
00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:40,960
George and number four. Uh no, excuse me, number three?

536
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:44,559
Speaker 2: Three? No, So that's but that's the starting point for me.

537
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,519
I think it's there's some something interesting in it because

538
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:52,440
obviously number three would be like the compensation level for LaMelo, right,

539
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,000
But then you have Paul George, who would you know,

540
00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:57,839
the Hornets would have to take on his deal which

541
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,960
is enormous. So you're right, perhaps Philly will have to

542
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:02,839
include something else.

543
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: I'm not I wouldn't if the basis is like so, like,

544
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:09,480
let's just say Paul George was an expiring contract or something,

545
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,119
I wouldn't do it. If I'm Charlotte, I already have

546
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,880
I already have number four. And it's just like.

547
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: That's that's actually why I was thinking it, Like I

548
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,200
would sure as hell love to have number three and

549
00:27:20,279 --> 00:27:22,880
number four because then I can fully lean into a

550
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,720
rebuild if that's what I want, that those are, I'll

551
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,680
add two top five picks in the same year.

552
00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I think I'd be more open to as Charlotte,

553
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,680
this isn't a Lamela Ball trade. But like, if Philly

554
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:36,599
was really looking to get off Paul George, if they

555
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,759
were willing to send you like number three Paul George

556
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,599
and another first round pick, and then you're just like

557
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,359
giving them back number four, So you're moving up a

558
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,119
spot to take on Paul George and getting an additional

559
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,720
first rounder. Because if you're the Hornets, it's Paul George

560
00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:54,400
isn't good? Oh well, like what it's not? Really? What

561
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,559
money are you sending out That's gonna kill you anyway?

562
00:27:56,759 --> 00:27:58,319
So I don't think that would be enough for me.

563
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,039
If I'm Charlotte the package that you're.

564
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, I it would be enough for me if

565
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,039
I'm like Charlotte personally, but I'm also not.

566
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: Yeah that man, who are you high on that at

567
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,200
number three? That you want like you want Ace Bailey

568
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:13,799
that badly?

569
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:19,559
Speaker 2: Uh? Well, I mean, look, if I'm ignoring, for example,

570
00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:22,880
that that Toronto is aggressive and going for Malowaj, I

571
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,680
love him. I freaking love him. I think there is

572
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,519
legitimate all star upside in that dude, So that would

573
00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:35,279
be one on I'm I love bj hcom I think

574
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:38,880
Trey Johnson said Hooper, although you know he's very one dimensional,

575
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,839
I'll concede that, but he can definitely score at an

576
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,480
NBA level. I think he could be one of those guys.

577
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,640
Who we look back on in a couple of years ago.

578
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,480
Oh okay, that's one of the best shooters in the

579
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:50,960
damn league. There are a lot of players where I'm

580
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,440
like open for business, so to speak, where I see

581
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,759
the upside. And again it's also the lack of availability.

582
00:28:58,039 --> 00:29:01,359
Like I don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on

583
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,319
the mellow just to hate. It's like I don't want to. Yeah,

584
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:07,359
I don't like his game, but also the lack of

585
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,480
availability is an issue far more than I think we

586
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:12,200
make it out as like we can sit here and

587
00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:18,000
talk about all the upside, the exciting play, the stat lines, YadA, YadA, YadA,

588
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:24,519
play forty seven games this year. Eventually we have to

589
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:26,400
talk about it.

590
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,559
Speaker 1: It's been talked about ad nauseum like I don't and

591
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,359
that's why I also don't understand why then you would

592
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:32,119
move him when he's at the NADA like. It could

593
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:33,160
be the idea of his value.

594
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: That's fair, That's that's fair. I'll give you that one.

595
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,400
Like if you're trading him when he values atless loads,

596
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,960
that's not great. Absolutely, then I'm asking you, do you

597
00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:48,640
have confidence in sticking with him and letting him turn

598
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,119
this thing? Around. Do you think there is an avenue

599
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,160
wherein he can become you know, available.

600
00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:57,599
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a doctor. I would just say yes,

601
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,440
Like we saw it with Steph Curry, like people were

602
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,319
probably ready to write him off at one point, and

603
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:03,160
this is so different. He wasn't on a mester.

604
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: Three seasons though that he wasn't injured over the course

605
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,759
of three years.

606
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:09,599
Speaker 1: He was injured. Like what was he drafted in two

607
00:30:09,599 --> 00:30:11,440
thousand and nine. He was injured quite a bunch with

608
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,319
those ankle issues.

609
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that wasn't three years. It was really short.

610
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: So he goes back. He played eighty seventy four, then

611
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,599
it was twenty six. Yeah, so it's like he did

612
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,599
his checker. Availability was not nearly as bad. But I

613
00:30:24,599 --> 00:30:26,240
feel like people were so demp You remember when he

614
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,319
signed his extension. Oh, I really thought it was going

615
00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:32,519
to be an disaster and it was million a year, right,

616
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:37,119
So I I would say, I can't be out on

617
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,240
the mellow until I see what he looks like surrounded

618
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,000
by NBA talent, and I don't think that they've surrounded

619
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:45,160
him by enough of it. And then that becomes a

620
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,759
different conversation about the health because he could be healthy

621
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,680
and maybe still not elevate this team to where it

622
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,519
needs to be. Where it's like kind of the inverse

623
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:56,359
of Zion to where it's okay, Zion's just never available,

624
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,079
but we know what he can uplift. Mellow has been

625
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:01,599
a touch more of available, but it's what can he uplift?

626
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,799
You haven't really given him enough to work with there,

627
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:04,880
which is why I have to bring it back to

628
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,920
your original question. I would probably be more opportunistic than

629
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,559
doing anything nuclear to where it's just like that's fair.

630
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:13,720
Is Detroit looking at moving Isaiah Stewart would be fun here.

631
00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:16,640
If the Nuggets don't want to pay this guy or

632
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,400
they're making another deal, can you get in and like,

633
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,440
let's take a flyer on Peyton Watson. You want to

634
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,640
see them get two way wings. He's not I wouldn't

635
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,880
call him two way, but he's defensively disruptive and can

636
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:28,640
can do some things on offense, especially in transition. So

637
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:30,960
that's like kind of the mode I'd be in if

638
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,960
I'm Charlotte, if you could stumble into it, not stumble,

639
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,720
but if you can get a higher end guy that

640
00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:38,559
you think is gonna give you the the Detroit Pistons

641
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:41,920
bump this year, so to speak. I also just wonder, like,

642
00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:45,279
are the Pistons still the Pistons without that Jade and

643
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:48,200
Ivy injury too? Is the other thing here is like

644
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:49,960
I think he had found a better fit, but like

645
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,160
the numbers still weren't great with him on the floor,

646
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,799
and it forces you to do this other thing where

647
00:31:54,319 --> 00:31:56,680
you have to lean into different lineups. Dennis Schruder comes

648
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,440
over and he gives Kate Cunningham these in game breaks

649
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,799
to where doesn't have to be on the ball as much.

650
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:05,559
But yeah, I think I'll frame it this way. I

651
00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:08,759
don't think the Hornets need to be like aggressive this

652
00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:11,759
offseason and doing anything, but I would be taking flyers,

653
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:14,000
and like, I'm not opposed to bringing in like win

654
00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:16,720
Now talent even if it caught, Like you know, if

655
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,559
you had to move t John Salon right now is

656
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:21,279
coming off like one of the more disappointing rookie campaigns.

657
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:23,799
I'm not gonna batny at that. And that would bleed

658
00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:26,480
into my own question of how do you handle the

659
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,240
Mark Williams extension eligibility at this point more you tried

660
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:32,279
to trade him, no one is ever gonna the Lakers

661
00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:34,319
weren't even gonna give you what the Lakers were prepared

662
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:36,680
to give you at one point they had buyers remorse

663
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,880
almost immediately. How do you approach that situation?

664
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:45,559
Speaker 2: Communication first and foremost, because I do think Mark Williams

665
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,279
needs to have a say in all this. This was

666
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:53,119
such a weird situation and in such an odd position

667
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,200
to be put in as a player who's like, Okay,

668
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,160
so you wanted me initially, now you don't. Now you're

669
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,440
forced to take me back. Like it happens so rarely

670
00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:07,319
I think that the trade gets rescinded that it just

671
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:09,720
puts the onus on a team to actually have a

672
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:12,960
sit down with the player and go, all right, we

673
00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:14,880
have to talk about the elephant in the room here,

674
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,960
like what are we gonna do? Do you want to

675
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:21,440
stay here? Because like we do like you, We just

676
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,519
thought we had a package of someone who we liked

677
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:27,279
better already there you can sort of sense that's not

678
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:30,200
going to be a great conversation. So I think you

679
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,119
would have to really hash this out over a long

680
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,200
period of time to figure out are you even on

681
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,480
the same page as us? Like do you even want

682
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:42,480
to be here? Because again, the NBA is also about professionalism,

683
00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:45,880
Like we know that all NBA teams rely a great

684
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,640
deal on having trust from agents, for example, who can

685
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,079
sort of help you get guys into the right situations. Now,

686
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,359
if you end up screwing a guy over, for example,

687
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,960
that's something that is not being taken well by age.

688
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,559
So if they are saying, hey, you know what, Mark Williams,

689
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,960
let's give this another go. We really like you, sorry

690
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,000
for what happened, they extend him, and then they ship

691
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,920
his ass out like within the next year or so,

692
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,519
that's you can avoid that. My guess ultimately is that

693
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:19,639
they agreed to seek a train.

694
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,119
Speaker 1: I'd be curious what the compensation would be on him

695
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:26,079
because they were getting a distant first a swap in

696
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,760
Dalton connect and I would be if they get more

697
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,599
than a first round pick for Mark Williams, I'd be

698
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:34,440
pretty shocked. Which is why I almost wonder if this

699
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,679
is just gonna spill, because I'd be fairly surprised if

700
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:39,840
he signed an extension unless he's want to take like

701
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,000
less than the mL money. Where it's oh, Mark Williams

702
00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:44,880
is a signed for four years and fifty six million

703
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,960
or something. I feel like it might just leak into

704
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,639
restricted free agency and they'll let the market determine what

705
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:53,000
he might be there, or maybe they move. Then it

706
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,119
keeps your options open if you don't extend him to

707
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:58,199
move him in the middle of the season. But I

708
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,559
don't think I don't it's not that don't like him.

709
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:03,639
For this team, they need someone who's better on defense

710
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,719
on that back line. Like I think we've seen a

711
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,639
lot of really good defensive lashes from Brandon Miller. Maybe

712
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:11,400
you bring in some more just kind of perimeter defensive activity,

713
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:13,599
but you just want to have a better back line,

714
00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:15,920
especially if you're gonna like the way we see LaMelo

715
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,280
Ball defend. I think that's probably the most frustrating part

716
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,000
of his game to me, is because I know or

717
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:22,239
we know he can defend better. We have seen it.

718
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,320
Maybe on a team that's like up against higher stakes,

719
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,199
sure maybe he'll defend better, But for now, it's kind

720
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:31,599
of like, all right, you have Brandon Miller, and who's

721
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:33,800
the next best defender on this team?

722
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 2: Is we think Mark Williams does not have the defensive upside?

723
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,599
Are we just out on that?

724
00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:45,119
Speaker 1: I mean, he's rather large. I just don't know that

725
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:50,000
he knows how to leverage that enormity and his length consistently, Like,

726
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,480
who do you think who are you higher on defensively

727
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:54,639
moving forward? Jaalen Durham or Mark Williams.

728
00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question, Like I do think Duran

729
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,320
is a better thinker on that end of the floor,

730
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,480
whereas Mark is just so much wider and bigger so far.

731
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,199
Duran is also younger, so he's got more time to learn.

732
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:16,199
I'm gonna say Duran, But I do think that we

733
00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:20,599
tend to be a little quick on Mark as well.

734
00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: So just to clear some things up, Mark Williams, who

735
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,239
has missed more games than he has played in you're

736
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,239
ready to be more forgiving of than LaMelo because he's.

737
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: No no no, no, no no no no no no, not in

738
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:38,360
terms of availability, no, no. I was exclusively talking about defense,

739
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,360
that was it. The same issues are very much in

740
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,239
play here. I mean, forty three games in his rookie season,

741
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,639
nineteen games in the second season, only forty four this year. Yeah,

742
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:54,360
like you No, absolutely, those same questions should be there

743
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,920
in regards to LaMelo as well, for sure.

744
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: That also might be like is this how you just

745
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,000
get him on an extension where hey, maybe he ends

746
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:03,199
up being our second string big at some point, but

747
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,639
it's fine. Maybe maybe that's the avenue that this all

748
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,599
pans out for I did just would you do something

749
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,320
like I don't know if this is enough? And also

750
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:16,119
his contracts not great, but like Nick Claxton and eight

751
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:19,920
for number four, like if the Nets gave you another

752
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,639
first round pick with it, because they just have a trillion,

753
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:25,320
I mean they have a trillion in this draft. Like

754
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,840
what if the Nets just said they have nineteen and

755
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,119
they have twenty six and twenty seven. What if they

756
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:39,119
said Nick Claxton nineteen and number eight for number four?

757
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: So I'm just moving down four spots and I get

758
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:50,079
Nick Claxton and I get an additional top twenty pick. Yeah, yeah,

759
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:54,039
I'm probably saying yes to that again with the caveat that,

760
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,880
unless I'm absolutely head over heels with someone at four. Yes,

761
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:58,559
I'm doing that.

762
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,079
Speaker 1: The other one I thought of, and I actually kind

763
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:02,400
of really like him on this team, but I think

764
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,920
it's too rich for the Nets was just number four

765
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,800
for Cam Johnson and number eight. It feels like Charlotte

766
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,039
would have to send something else out there, and I

767
00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:12,719
don't know if, like, would you do the Nets even

768
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,119
want t Joon Salon with the hornets, like with the

769
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:18,800
optics of that be terrible sending out number four and

770
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:22,639
like another top ten pick a year remove from being

771
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:25,559
a top ten pick for Cam Johnson and number eight.

772
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,199
But I would like to see LaMelo with surrounded by

773
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:31,480
more like bankable shooting and Cam Johnson. I don't know

774
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:34,079
if fits the two way billing that you would ask for.

775
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,119
I think Nick Claxson's is a fantastic fit. The switch

776
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:40,239
ability some rim protection for sure. I don't his contract

777
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,719
has an aged the best, but it's it's starting center

778
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,800
money at this point. If you're not married to Mark Williams,

779
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,079
maybe that's an interesting route to go.

780
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: I don't hate that either. Like the long term money

781
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:53,159
there are fine, It's it's on a decreasing contract, so

782
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,599
that's another asset. Yeah, I don't hate that. That's a

783
00:38:56,599 --> 00:38:56,960
good one.

784
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're also that's fascinating to me. I think they'll

785
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:04,239
ultimately remain patient. But I do your question like that

786
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,280
macro of just should you be buyers and like kind

787
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,800
of looking at the pistons and seeming like we have

788
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,440
Lamello and Brandon Miller's healthy and there's some other interesting

789
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,400
guys on it, like what if Grahant Williams is healthy

790
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,840
and I I could see the temptation being there if

791
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,599
they're gonna do something like that. I hope it's what

792
00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:21,519
Detroit did, whereas they gave up no future first round

793
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:23,239
picks and it was just they still found a way

794
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:23,760
to get better.

795
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: Right.

796
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: Our next team up from the southeast is oh Man,

797
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:32,280
the Miami Heat. More your question is it's a little complicated,

798
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,280
So I just want you to read it slowly for

799
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,239
the kids at home.

800
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:42,519
Speaker 2: Uh, what's the plan? So obviously they made the playoffs,

801
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:46,239
meaning they did not have to relinquish an unreprotected first

802
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,840
round or two. Okay, see in twenty twenty six. Mission accomplished.

803
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:52,519
Now you can tear it the fuck down if you

804
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:56,639
want to. Should they? That's the big question. I don't

805
00:39:56,639 --> 00:39:58,440
know where I stand personally. I think I go back

806
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,360
and forth. I have been on the blow it up

807
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,159
trained with them, where I've just like, get as much

808
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:08,079
as you can from BAM. You can possibly stick with

809
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:10,440
Tyler Hero for here, pump up his numbers, and then

810
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,840
ship him off next year. Andrew Wiggins is on a

811
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,199
fine deal for the next year and next if he

812
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,719
picks up his twenty twenty six twenty twenty seven player option.

813
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,000
But at the same time, I'm just like, who is

814
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,639
like the number one guy left? If you pivot off

815
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:29,440
those guys and get like draft picks and young guys,

816
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,679
like who is their blue chip prospect who they can

817
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,599
build around? Is that kilil Ware is? Do they have

818
00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:40,599
one like? That's I don't know how they view that internally,

819
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:46,199
I don't know how we should gauge their young core. Also,

820
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,199
are the Heat even interested in blowing it up? This

821
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,000
is a team that's notorious for we're never tanking, We're

822
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:53,960
never wanting to lose. We want to make the playoffs

823
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,719
every single year, which just screams you're gonna end up

824
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:58,559
in mediocrity.

825
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: To me, that's a good question. Mine was similar. There's

826
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,639
a type on screen for anyone watching, I'll fix it

827
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:06,960
in post. Hopefully I'll remember to do that. I want

828
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,360
to know. I don't think they're gonna tear it down,

829
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,360
And which is why my question is this way is

830
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,800
can they convince pat Riley specifically to labor through a

831
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,400
gap year because that pick next year is not going

832
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,159
to OKAC Because I think the move here is just

833
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:25,440
be bad next year. Yeah, like put put Tyler, hero

834
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:28,719
Bamandabayo on a maintenance program. Go out there see if

835
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,599
anyone wants Andrew Wiggins for whatever. But the key here

836
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:33,639
would be okay, One, you get your own pick back

837
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:36,880
just in time before you then owe it to Charlotte

838
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,559
the following year, and it becomes unprotected in twenty twenty

839
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:42,000
eight if it if it doesn't convey in twenty twenty seven,

840
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,199
when it's a lot of protected, but you're also as

841
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,800
a right now slated for you can get like thirty

842
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,440
million in cap space and it could be a boatload

843
00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:51,800
more if you're able to trade Andrew Wiggins for an

844
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,960
expiring contract that comes off the books next season. The

845
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,960
twenty twenty six free agency class will see if it

846
00:41:57,039 --> 00:41:59,599
stays the same. These things change because of extensions and

847
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:02,159
how that were. It's more interesting as of right now

848
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,559
than twenty twenty five. So you can go into next

849
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:09,519
summer with Tyler hero bam Adebayo, khalil Ware, whoever you

850
00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:11,679
draft this year with the Warriors pick at number twenty

851
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,480
presumably a higher lottery pick, and then cap space, that's

852
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,599
a much better spot to be in. But I do

853
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:23,239
think to your point, it takes a level of patience

854
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:28,559
or a stomach coded in iron for losing that I

855
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:30,639
don't like. This team hasn't had for I'll say for

856
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:34,480
a while. Because you can say, oh, the Heat don't tank.

857
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:37,719
I'd like to point you to Dwayne Wade. They won

858
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,800
what was it twenty four games that year? Twenty seven

859
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,760
games that they got Dwayne Wade in the draft, and

860
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,480
then the West, the West. The rest is quite literally history.

861
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:50,079
There's value. You're not guaranteed anything, but like that seems

862
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:52,880
like a more palatable path forward than the other question

863
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,440
would be. If we're not going to ask that is, well,

864
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,039
then how do you get your best offensive player? Because

865
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:00,760
I think that the team teams that have reached the

866
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,840
highest level lately, and I know the Heat have recently

867
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,760
been to the finals like in the semi recent past,

868
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:09,360
But like, look at the Pacers, look at the Thunder.

869
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:13,599
They got the Thunder, get Shay. Everything's built out from there.

870
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,199
The Pacers get Hallie, everything is built out from there.

871
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:22,519
The Knicks stumble into Jalen Brunson. Everything is built out

872
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:27,440
from there. And what I'm singling out those three teams

873
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:29,800
rather than like, oh, Minnesota, you get Anthony Edwards and

874
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,159
build it out from there, or Dallas with Luca and

875
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:36,079
they traded them. But you get the point because those

876
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:39,280
three players did not arrive on their teams via the draft.

877
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,840
They came via trade. And so if you're Miami, I

878
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,880
think you need to be brutally honest and say, bam

879
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,559
Adebayo is versatile, he is fantastic. He is nowhere near

880
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:52,360
hardwired to be a primary playmaker and scorer for an offense.

881
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:57,519
Tyler hero has improved by tremendous margins in terms of

882
00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:00,840
a shot like his shot selection, and just as a passer,

883
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,480
that's still not going to be his game. The data

884
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,960
when they've played without Jimmy Butler over the past three

885
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:09,280
years supports that the offense has been mediocre at best,

886
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,480
really bad at its worst. And if you're the Heat,

887
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,840
you have to say, well, then how do we get

888
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,239
that guy? You're not getting him in the draft right

889
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,960
now unless you go through that gap year and just

890
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:21,239
think of the net, like if you can get Trey

891
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,239
Young or if you can get LaMelo Ball, that is

892
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,360
that one enough for you? More like if you're running

893
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,360
the Heat to say, okay, we're feeling good about this

894
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,360
LaMelo ball will be interesting here. But now here's the

895
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,039
other problem before I throw it back to you, You're

896
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:36,760
never ever going to have the best trade package for

897
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,360
basically any of the guys that will name like Trey Young.

898
00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:41,480
There might not be a lot of desirability, but the

899
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:45,760
salary complications there are just incredible, Like the logistical hurdles

900
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,599
they have to go through because of just that number

901
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:51,360
and getting to it. But I just like if if

902
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,920
LaMelo ball is just as an example, comes on to

903
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:57,159
the like the or maybe even John Morant, like the Heater,

904
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,960
just they have a couple first round picks they can

905
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:01,480
include in you just mentioned, they don't have a blue

906
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:03,960
chip prospect. Like if you put khalil ware on the table,

907
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,199
that's not like, sure, I'm I'm probably a little bit

908
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,400
lower on khalil whare than a lot of people. But

909
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,679
like if you put khalil ware on the table, that's, oh,

910
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,840
that's really interesting. That's not all right, we found our

911
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:15,840
building block of the future.

912
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:21,599
Speaker 2: Will trade them. Yeah, just to clarify, the Heat aren't

913
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,840
tanking ever, And the example you're using is one from

914
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:26,880
twenty two years ago.

915
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: Pat Riley was still there though, was he not?

916
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still twenty two years ago.

917
00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:35,519
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying like that's then. I think that

918
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:37,480
that's very short sighted because I think that this will

919
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,679
all end up being that they will be trapped in

920
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,559
Nowhere's Ville for the next few years and it'll end

921
00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:43,760
with them trading bam Adebayo at some point, maybe not

922
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,920
anytime soon, but like this is just you're kind of

923
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,760
spinning your wheels. Now you can say you look at

924
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,079
how they reach those two finals and say, like anything

925
00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:54,559
could happen. The East is wide open right now. You

926
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:57,440
had Jimmy Butler, then you don't have that level of

927
00:45:57,519 --> 00:46:00,599
player anymore. And that's the level of player I would say,

928
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,360
and not even that exact player, but you need the

929
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,719
engine for your entire offense, and you just don't have

930
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,639
Tyler Hero again. Really good now he's an All Star.

931
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:11,800
If they want to extend him this summer, fine, you're

932
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,400
not gonna catch any crap for me for that. I

933
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,880
just don't Tyler Hero is my best offensive player. There's

934
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,280
a cap on how good my offense is.

935
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,519
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, for sure. And that's why I

936
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:26,760
don't think the nuclear option should be completely disregarded like

937
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,679
I do think there is a world wherein they can

938
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,480
get better by taking the gap here. Sure I wouldn't

939
00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:34,559
hate it if they're being proactive.

940
00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:40,519
Speaker 1: Proactive to tear it down. You mean, yeah, man, I

941
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:43,400
would I could probably. I think I can get a.

942
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,119
Speaker 2: Shit on from BAM though, that's the thing you could.

943
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is the there are a bunch of

944
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,679
teams that's like might be its own podcast, though, is like,

945
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:52,559
what does a BAM out of BioTrade look like? Who

946
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:55,360
is the team that you think of as immediately coming

947
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,880
in with the the Godfather offer? Does Does Houston just

948
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,480
trying to over index on dfs a versatility now go

949
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:02,159
after BAM?

950
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't hate it, Houston. We know they

951
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,440
have some serious issues up front. Defensively and I say

952
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:12,159
that as a Shin Goon supporter, but defensively, he's he's

953
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,320
not that guy. He also doesn't have three point capability,

954
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,280
which I thought he would at this point. So you're

955
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,400
looking at a NOE, you know, a non three, non

956
00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:26,280
d center, which is problematic BAM. Although he's not I

957
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,679
want to say, an elite three point shooter by any stretch,

958
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,239
he's begun taking them and some of them are actually

959
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,159
beginning to look pretty good. If he can come in

960
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:38,880
there as you know, a orderline dpo Y candidate. I

961
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,039
don't even know why I said borderline. He usually is

962
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:46,320
a dpo y candidate and he gives you playmaking. Yeah,

963
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,039
probably a smitch below the playmaking of Shing Goon, but

964
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,719
even so, he can he can play from the high post,

965
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,159
the low post, and he can space the floor and

966
00:47:55,159 --> 00:47:57,960
he can kind of be the connector at that spot

967
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,320
for so many of those young guys in Houston. I

968
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,639
wouldn't hate that. We're talking about the Hawks earlier, like

969
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:04,440
what do they need?

970
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 1: They'd be great for him.

971
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 2: That'd be a fun destination if only this Burson know

972
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,079
their damn picks, right, I mean, that'd be a fun way.

973
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,960
But there are so many teams out there where he

974
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:18,400
makes a lot of sense because he's become very pluck

975
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,480
and playable at that big position, Like even if it's

976
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:23,480
not as a center, you can run him as a

977
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:26,719
four as well. I mean, he's just interchangeable those spots.

978
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:30,719
So you know, I think you can get a lot

979
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,559
for him. And if you were to ship out Tyler

980
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:36,719
Hero as well, especially when he's earning thirty three million,

981
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,639
the year after next as well, So he's only on

982
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:41,880
the books for two more years. Yes, but at a

983
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,920
grand total of sixty four million, that's a good ass

984
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,639
deal for a guy who's that good.

985
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: I'm not would be if I was Portland. I know

986
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,679
this is funny because they didn't want Tyler Hero's primary

987
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:56,639
conversation for Damian Lillard. If it was just like Jeremy

988
00:48:56,679 --> 00:48:59,239
Grant and Scoot and a first round pick for Tyler Hero,

989
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:03,239
you just have him and clinging in Avdia Timani Kamara there.

990
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,519
That's not like you don't have a true floor general,

991
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:08,679
but between him and Avdia, Anthony Simon's still there. I

992
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,559
would consider making it, and I consider myself a scooed optimist.

993
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:12,519
That might be too nuclear.

994
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:15,559
Speaker 2: No, it's fun I mean at least you get a

995
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:20,679
guy in their high pedigree prospects. Yeah, I wouldn't hate

996
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:21,719
Houston should.

997
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,119
Speaker 1: Probably be in on Hero. I think he's better than

998
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:24,840
Jalen Green, especially as a passer.

999
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,519
Speaker 2: Right now, the Rockets should trade for both bam At

1000
00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:30,239
a buyer and Tyler Hero. I would love to see

1001
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:30,840
that trade.

1002
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: That'd be really funny. Tyler Hero in Detroit as like

1003
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,159
the off ball, like the secondary option from Kay Cunningham.

1004
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: That's really and Ivy goes to Miami where he might

1005
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:46,000
actually be, you know, get a chance to spread his

1006
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:49,079
wing a little bit more. Yeah, I don't hate that.

1007
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:52,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I you know what it is. I

1008
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,679
have a tough time envisioning the heat doing this, and

1009
00:49:54,679 --> 00:49:56,320
so I think that's why I gravitated towards the get

1010
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,320
and the I think, is there any way so to

1011
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,679
wrap up on is there any way where you're okay

1012
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:06,440
with them sort of going for it still now? And

1013
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,039
it's I think there's one player to where if you

1014
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:13,119
told me, like they can turn the expiring contracts of Robinson,

1015
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:15,960
Terry Razier and maybe you're trading Jim Hawks and Jovic

1016
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:18,920
and I don't know, giving up a first that would

1017
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,519
be what in twenty twenty nine, But like if Kevin

1018
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:25,159
Durant is going to Miami, maybe that that makes sense

1019
00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:27,679
because the package you're assuming is not commeasure it with

1020
00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:30,360
we just had a mortgage everything. Because he's gonna turn

1021
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,880
thirty seven only as a year left, that might be

1022
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,280
the way out, but I think they have just to

1023
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:36,920
use the Knicks as an example who we mentioned with

1024
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,079
Kevin Durant. They have a less attractive offer for Kevin

1025
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:44,559
Durant than the Knicks do, so like that's like i'd

1026
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:46,119
be fair, Like Kevin Rant would have to say I'm

1027
00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:48,559
going to Miami and it's basically nobody else.

1028
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 2: So the trio would be Bam HEROKD and.

1029
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,159
Speaker 1: Then kolia Ware is still there, Like I can't talk

1030
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:57,280
myself into giving up. If you, as an organization believe

1031
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,320
in kolil Ware, you don't give him up for soon

1032
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:01,679
to be thirty seven year old Kevin. You just you

1033
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,599
can't do. It's just like I said this about the

1034
00:51:03,639 --> 00:51:06,239
Knicks with Kevin Durant, and I got some pushback on it,

1035
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,840
where it was I'll trade towns, like because the money

1036
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,760
comes close to matching, you give up the PJ. Tucker

1037
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,079
minimum to another team and you're not hard capped. But

1038
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,400
if we're talking about the Nicks being shallow and you

1039
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,480
want to trade og An and Obi and then another

1040
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:21,239
top six rotation player for age thirty seven, like Leon

1041
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,320
Road should be immediately fired if he does that.

1042
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 2: I agree. I agree. So you're asking me if I

1043
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,719
if I had had a problem with it, Yeah, I would,

1044
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,320
because I think you still have to identify the window, right,

1045
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,239
Like we've talked about this a bunch that today in

1046
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,480
today's league, you might have a two or three year window.

1047
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:43,079
That has to be your goal. Then, whoever you are,

1048
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,760
regardless of who you are as an NB or organization,

1049
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:49,519
you have to identify when is that window, When is

1050
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:50,960
that going to be open for me? What does it

1051
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,880
take for me to get to that place where it

1052
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,800
could be open for me? The heat even though if

1053
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,159
they would be trading for Kevin freakin' Rant here, does

1054
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:00,599
that open their window?

1055
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:06,199
Speaker 1: Does it next year's East? We don't know where. I mean, like,

1056
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,159
even if your honest is still in Milwaukee, if you

1057
00:52:08,159 --> 00:52:10,679
think the Celtics are gonna be kind of different, yeah,

1058
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,119
bam Hero and KD and if khalil Ware is still there.

1059
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, so what you're saying might be a one

1060
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:20,880
year window, I could.

1061
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,119
Speaker 1: See it being a two year Like this is tough

1062
00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:26,440
because it's you could we have evidence that Katie's gonna

1063
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,159
age really well, but we're now at the point where

1064
00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:30,760
it's like it could just fall off at any moment. Right,

1065
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,199
So you are you are guaranteeing yourself a year window,

1066
00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:37,400
but you're guaranteeing it in the wrong year because your

1067
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,480
pick starts to be owed in twenty twenty seven, so

1068
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:40,719
you want to make sure it's at least a two

1069
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,000
year window. Essentially, I think there's a chance because Bam

1070
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:46,159
and Tyler Hero are still just in the heart of

1071
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:48,800
their primes. Hero probably hasn't even entered it yet, right,

1072
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,440
I think there's a chance that you've carved out a

1073
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,119
two year window. And again, if you're not given Wiggins,

1074
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,119
it depends. I mean, I guess you can get to

1075
00:52:57,199 --> 00:52:59,599
the money without Wiggins, but it's like, I don't know

1076
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:01,880
what the incentive is for Phoenix to do unless they

1077
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,239
really want him Hawks and expiring contracts, right.

1078
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 2: So I'm asking is if you still have Wiggins and

1079
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,320
you can flip him for something, you know, for depth,

1080
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:14,400
really I might be okay.

1081
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: With it, but that brings us back to the quest, like, well,

1082
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,280
what has to happen for Phoenix, Like what is the

1083
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,239
third team? So we're talking as the framework lose framework.

1084
00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:26,079
I don't even know if this money works. Rosier Duncan

1085
00:53:26,159 --> 00:53:28,039
Robinson who could tactually be a free agent, but I

1086
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:32,079
don't expect him to be Jim Hawkes. That doesn't even

1087
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:33,360
get you to fifty million. I don't think so. It

1088
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,239
was a Jovich too. If you're trying to work k Oh,

1089
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,360
Kyle Anderson's money is there, But like if you're Phoenix,

1090
00:53:39,559 --> 00:53:41,159
so it's like we really want him Hawks and a

1091
00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:42,280
bunch of these placeholders.

1092
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah no, you're right. Yeah, so I'm with you.

1093
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,679
Speaker 1: It might cost you Wiggins and then that's okay. Well

1094
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,880
then how are you filling out? Like? Okay, your point

1095
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,360
of it, you have Hayward high Smith on the defensive

1096
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:54,960
end there, I mean the heat, I feel like we'll

1097
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,639
pull defenders out of their ass, so I wouldn't be

1098
00:53:56,679 --> 00:53:58,840
too concerned about losing there defender.

1099
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 2: I'm more worried about the other side of the floor.

1100
00:54:03,199 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: Well, then I guess you wouldn't have a problem trading

1101
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,840
Wiggans for KD is what you're saying.

1102
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 2: No, no, no, So Kat obviously is, but he's also

1103
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,280
getting up there. Who's the real floor leader on that

1104
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,760
team or we just gonna say bam hero.

1105
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: I swear to God, if someone comes in and says

1106
00:54:20,159 --> 00:54:22,599
Davion Mitchell and his close to the season, I'm going

1107
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:24,679
to scream, right, you had a great close to the

1108
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,679
season for the Heat. That is not your floor general

1109
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,360
of the future, Please do not assume. So, Yeah, they're

1110
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,079
in a tough I think this is the team that

1111
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,960
I feel like I know what they should do this offseason.

1112
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:38,840
But I have the least confidence in feeling better about

1113
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,199
them than I do now heading into next season. Ye

1114
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:46,519
ira that right? Certainly from this division, probably we're onto

1115
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,079
a team that it's pretty easy to feel good about,

1116
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,519
the Orlando Magic. Moret what's your question?

1117
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I worded that poorly. Which guard should they find? Like?

1118
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,960
What guard? But what type of guard should they find?

1119
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:01,480
It is probably the way I should have raced it,

1120
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,079
because you can go in a wide variety of ways.

1121
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:08,880
You can go scoring guards, you can go playmaking, you

1122
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,199
can go two way, like what type of guard, like

1123
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,559
the archet type of it all? Should they actually try

1124
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,599
to identify and acquire?

1125
00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: Is it bad to say a combo guard, which is

1126
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,280
sort of a hedge to where it's they don't need

1127
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,760
to be your primary playmaker, but there needs to be

1128
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,360
enough playmaking. But it's you also need the scoring outside

1129
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,880
scoring element both on and away from the ball, which

1130
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,000
is why, which is why Anthony Simons and Kobe White

1131
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,239
I think are the two names that come up.

1132
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 2: The most Kobe White is the name for me because

1133
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:46,599
he's cheaper, so much easier to trade four. He's also

1134
00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:50,519
got a little bit more size than Simon's and defensively

1135
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:55,239
he has taken some strides. Stride is a big word,

1136
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,599
but he's gotten better. He's gotten a little bit better.

1137
00:55:57,679 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: Well, in Orlando, you could play whoever you want and

1138
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:01,079
you'll be fine.

1139
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't hate a Kobe White. Jaalen sucks back court.

1140
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:05,400
Let me just put it that way.

1141
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,119
Speaker 1: Oh you wouldn't. You don't hate winning playoff series. I

1142
00:56:08,159 --> 00:56:09,119
wouldn't hate that either.

1143
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

1144
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're gonna go after Kobe White just because

1145
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,920
the money you're sending out, unless it's like Wendell Carter Junior,

1146
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,079
it's not gonna be all that close. I'm trying to

1147
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:22,400
get Lonzo ball too. It's like, you take the KCP deal,

1148
00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:24,519
although he was really good for them defensively this year,

1149
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,000
but you take the KCP deal. How much do I

1150
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:30,480
need to compensate you to get Lonzo and Kobe White back?

1151
00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:32,719
And because they don't need Lonzo to play a ton

1152
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,840
of minutes, having him and Jonathan Isaac is like what

1153
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,920
they're like first team all minutes cap and then they're

1154
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,239
on the same team. Would be pretty funny.

1155
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: I think you're going after the wrong guard.

1156
00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: You want Io Desson MoU. Yeah, I don't think I want.

1157
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:49,000
I'm looking for more offensive like dynamics here. I don't

1158
00:56:49,039 --> 00:56:51,039
think that Io dis Soon MoU. He brings some of it,

1159
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,719
but he's more of just like he can do a

1160
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,239
lot of the things that KCP would do on defense

1161
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,079
and maybe just guard up a little bit better than

1162
00:56:58,159 --> 00:56:58,800
KCP can.

1163
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also the ability as the thing, we have

1164
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,920
no idea about the availability of Lonzo Bawl moving forward, Like, yeah,

1165
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,599
you can trade for him. How many games is he

1166
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:09,239
gonna play? How many minutes is he gonna be able

1167
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:10,519
to handle? We have no clue.

1168
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: I mean, on a two year, twenty million dollar extension,

1169
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,480
I'll roll the dice on the shooting the transition field.

1170
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 2: IOWA is at seven point five next year.

1171
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:19,599
Speaker 1: And then he's a free agent that you're gonna have

1172
00:57:19,639 --> 00:57:22,039
to pay, have to pay Kobe White, that's a lot more.

1173
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:25,079
I think that's too for me, just with the magic

1174
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:28,719
and knowing that Palo's getting maxed out, Franz got maxed out,

1175
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,400
Suggs is on the five year, one fifty million dollar deal.

1176
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,039
I don't want to have to grapple with the free

1177
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:36,480
agency of both Io to Soon MoU and Kobe White

1178
00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:39,000
at once. I think that gets a little difficult.

1179
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,239
Speaker 2: I get that, but I do think having two guys

1180
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:48,519
who are overwhelmingly you know, available, And I say overwhelmingly

1181
00:57:48,639 --> 00:57:51,960
because Io just had this year where the shouldered him

1182
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:53,800
up a little bit and he played forty six games.

1183
00:57:54,159 --> 00:57:59,480
Outside of that, he's been He's been very available, very

1184
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:02,400
very solid point of attack defender that, as you said,

1185
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,519
can guard up. He can play the one, he can

1186
00:58:04,599 --> 00:58:07,119
play the two. He's very interchangeable the.

1187
00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: Four defensively anyway, I'm finally to play in the four.

1188
00:58:10,719 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 2: He's very versatility defensively at the very least. I understand

1189
00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:19,039
your point though about Lonso, especially if he's healthy. If

1190
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:22,840
I knew beforehand that Lonzo would play let's say, fifty

1191
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:27,639
five games, Fuck yeah, I'm taking that over too soon.

1192
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:31,679
Speaker 1: I guess I get what you're saying. In a vacuum,

1193
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:35,079
I'm trying to map out longer term here for fim Orlando,

1194
00:58:35,239 --> 00:58:37,719
and so my question is it steps on the toes

1195
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:42,239
of yours. But how splash he does this guard or

1196
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,800
offensive upgrade acquisition need to be And I guess another

1197
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,840
way of phrasing that would would be who's the worst

1198
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:52,920
offensive player? They could prioritize that you would feel, Okay,

1199
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:55,400
they're serious. This team is ready to make some real

1200
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,599
noise in the the East, where by the way, they

1201
00:58:57,679 --> 00:59:00,960
have not had an offense that in the top half

1202
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,159
of offensive efficiency since Dwight Howard was on the.

1203
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,519
Speaker 2: First the worst Tias Jones probably.

1204
00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: That's pretty that's actually pretty low level. I was expecting

1205
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,239
you to go a little bit higher to say that

1206
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:13,800
it needed to be like Kobe White.

1207
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:20,159
Speaker 2: You know what, It's interesting. It's because I'm also like,

1208
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,400
as much as you love LaMelo, that's the same amount

1209
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,960
of love I have for Tias Jones's. That's where we are.

1210
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,599
I am a Tias Jones lover. I think he is

1211
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:38,639
such a good shot identifier, like he never forces things,

1212
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,559
and I don't I think for Orlando, if they just

1213
00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:44,000
have a guard in there who can take timely shots,

1214
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,239
who understands when to take them, and hits them at

1215
00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:50,519
a high efficiency, then I'm not really worried about like

1216
00:59:50,679 --> 00:59:53,800
raw numbers. Oh is this guy is gonna average eighteen fifteen.

1217
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,440
I don't give a fuck as long as it's cohesive

1218
00:59:56,559 --> 01:00:00,920
and it makes sense for everyone involved. Now, of course,

1219
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,440
Tyas is also a small guard, and if we know

1220
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:08,000
something about Orlando, it's that they are not that happy

1221
01:00:08,199 --> 01:00:12,199
about small guards. So if we bake that in, yeah,

1222
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,880
Kobe would probably be the more accurate response if we

1223
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,599
take Orlando's so perspective into into everything.

1224
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,679
Speaker 1: Let's play a game I made up just now. I

1225
01:00:22,719 --> 01:00:24,960
didn't have these names in the cliff for it. I'm

1226
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,079
gonna name players and you tell me yes or no,

1227
01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:28,239
and then once we get to a spot where you

1228
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,119
like kind of can't decide, that's when we'll know that

1229
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:33,239
we've reached the worst player that you don't need to

1230
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,320
think about. So Kobe White's just a yes, flat out yes,

1231
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:48,440
you wouldn't think twice about it. Anthony Simons, Yeah, Colin Sexton, So.

1232
01:00:48,599 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 2: We also want find it so offensive offensively, I like

1233
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:58,079
Colin Sext a great deal. I wonder if he's got

1234
01:00:58,199 --> 01:00:59,360
enough playmaking jobs.

1235
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like a lot of his playmaking a lot

1236
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:04,679
of it's just like the straight line.

1237
01:01:04,519 --> 01:01:07,599
Speaker 2: Drive stuff like that, Like, don't get me wrong. Offensively,

1238
01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:12,199
So from a scoring perspective, hell, yes, So would.

1239
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,039
Speaker 1: It be a no then, like you think it needs

1240
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:16,519
to be better or more dynamic, let's say than Colins.

1241
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:19,599
Speaker 2: A little bit. Yeah, I wouldn't even mind relinquishing a

1242
01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:22,400
little bit of the offensive dynamics of a Collin Sexton

1243
01:01:22,519 --> 01:01:25,079
if I can get some more playmaking involved.

1244
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,239
Speaker 1: All right, so we gotta keep going. Then the manual quickly. Yes,

1245
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:32,760
Jordan Poole.

1246
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:36,599
Speaker 2: Too inconsistent, No.

1247
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:41,159
Speaker 1: Free agent here, fairly cheap, i'd imagine too, Chris Paul

1248
01:01:42,719 --> 01:01:47,159
Oh always, Mike Conley of Minnesota.

1249
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:50,119
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, no no.

1250
01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:54,639
Speaker 1: Tyler Hero feels too high end, right, that's like an automatic, yes,

1251
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:59,280
if you could get him yep. Umm, kind of running

1252
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,519
out of like TJ McConnell.

1253
01:02:03,679 --> 01:02:09,719
Speaker 2: As my starting No, I'm just asking questions. May wow, yeah, okay,

1254
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:15,159
ty Jerome not as my starter either. I haven't seen that.

1255
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,280
I would like. How many game minutes did he play

1256
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,760
this year? It was under twenty, right, it was a yeah.

1257
01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:23,559
Speaker 1: He wasn't eligible to win most of player.

1258
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm surprised you haven't set Devin Vessel. That's probably

1259
01:02:26,599 --> 01:02:27,039
where I'll go.

1260
01:02:27,239 --> 01:02:30,519
Speaker 1: Mm oh, that'd be an automatic. Yi, I didn't think

1261
01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:31,920
you need to think about that'd be an auto.

1262
01:02:32,039 --> 01:02:36,159
Speaker 2: Yes, well, again because he's he's like exclusively an off card.

1263
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,760
I think their need is more along the lines of

1264
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,039
a point because again I understand what they're trying to do.

1265
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,519
We want to run the offense through Polo and Franz.

1266
01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:48,360
Okay cool. I don't think that's gonna work. I think

1267
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,039
you need that first guy who can initiate plays from

1268
01:02:51,079 --> 01:02:53,920
the predator, and I know they want to make Jalen

1269
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,360
Sucks into that player. So far, I don't think it's worked.

1270
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,800
I'm gonna need someone who can actually.

1271
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: Just do stuff at the guard spot Jalen Green.

1272
01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:08,199
Speaker 2: Oh, I think we found it.

1273
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: That'd probably be I had two more names. They were

1274
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,199
both members of the Celtics, But I think that's a

1275
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:19,840
I probably wouldn't feel much. Maybe I would maybe we

1276
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,760
found the name. My other two names were Derek White

1277
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:22,760
and Peyton Pritchard.

1278
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:24,679
Speaker 2: Not Dereck Wise is an automatic?

1279
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,559
Speaker 1: Yes, immediately, Well, I just you know what you're looking for, like,

1280
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:31,880
that's not his style of playmaking was all my only reserve.

1281
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,320
Would but I would agree that he's an auto.

1282
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:33,559
Speaker 2: Yes.

1283
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,079
Speaker 1: Actually find Peyton Pritchard to be super interesting. I think

1284
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:38,519
he has more on ball, passing chops and he he

1285
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:40,719
I know he's a smaller guard. What is he like?

1286
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:45,360
He's six one six two, but he he'll fight defensively

1287
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,000
and the shooting is just outlandish. He would be in

1288
01:03:48,039 --> 01:03:51,320
that know about salary structure that fits within Orlando's cap sheet.

1289
01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:55,039
So Jalen Green is the one we found where it's

1290
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:57,119
like if just if Houston just wanted to get away

1291
01:03:57,159 --> 01:03:59,880
from that deal and said we will take out of

1292
01:04:00,159 --> 01:04:02,760
know KCP and a first round pick or something like

1293
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:05,599
to compensate for that, and I think you'd have to

1294
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:08,480
include more salary of course, But so we found the player,

1295
01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:09,119
Jalen Green.

1296
01:04:09,159 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 2: I think we found the player. Yes, Now what I.

1297
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: Was just curious as to just like what they need

1298
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,800
to be looking at. And so it's a player that's

1299
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:18,440
probably better than Jalen Green.

1300
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 2: I think so.

1301
01:04:20,639 --> 01:04:24,039
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that's a fair bar. By the way,

1302
01:04:24,119 --> 01:04:26,280
that's a realistic bar. When you look at their assets

1303
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:30,440
now their future salary when you have sugs Palo and Franz,

1304
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:33,880
you have to reconcile that all. But they have the assets,

1305
01:04:34,119 --> 01:04:36,960
they have the tradable salaries to go out and get.

1306
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,400
I won't say whoever they want but like if they

1307
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,199
wanted to try and like force Charlotte to make LaMelo

1308
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:43,559
ball available, they probably could.

1309
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:49,719
Speaker 2: That's probably the one destination I wouldn't hate for LaMelo.

1310
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,679
Also a few words to get traded.

1311
01:04:53,199 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: I just I don't know what the trade package looks

1312
01:04:55,519 --> 01:04:58,800
like there, because it's are you giving up Jalen Sugs

1313
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:05,159
I wouldn't. So then it's salary that Charlotte probably doesn't

1314
01:05:05,199 --> 01:05:07,920
want and just a crap ton like Tristan to Silva,

1315
01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:09,840
Jet Howard and a bunch.

1316
01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:13,639
Speaker 2: Of picks I guess yeah, I mean can save us

1317
01:05:13,679 --> 01:05:15,840
cold little Pope and Jonathan I Sack would be.

1318
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: Right, yees, salary matching not an issue, but like how

1319
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,320
many first round picks does it take? So I don't

1320
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,079
even know if like Tristan to Silva and Jet Howard

1321
01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:25,480
at once, I don't know how that would be viewed

1322
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,800
in terms of competenceity. He's like Tristan to Silver's solid,

1323
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,679
but he's just I would just say he's unspectacular, So

1324
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:32,880
that doesn't move me. Jet.

1325
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,599
Speaker 2: They haven't give him Jet a chance at any point,

1326
01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:38,159
which they should. It was always dumb signing KCP. In

1327
01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:40,519
my perspective, I wanted him to get those minutes. Hey,

1328
01:05:40,519 --> 01:05:44,199
you drive someone eleventh overall, you sit him on the

1329
01:05:44,239 --> 01:05:47,400
bench in his rookie season, and then the year two

1330
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,559
you go out and sign a guide to take his minutes.

1331
01:05:49,639 --> 01:05:52,199
It's just they have just not done a good job

1332
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:56,039
with that whole situation. So I would like to see

1333
01:05:56,119 --> 01:05:56,440
him moved.

1334
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: Orlando's package for LaMelo would have to be salary. Like,

1335
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:04,679
let's just say caseyp and Isaac is the base, Tristan

1336
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,639
da Silva number sixteen. They also have number twenty five.

1337
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,679
You'll probably just have to send that to Charlotte as well.

1338
01:06:10,679 --> 01:06:13,400
And then what another two or three additional first on

1339
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:13,840
the top, Like.

1340
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,039
Speaker 2: If you're not trading, no, no, I'm not.

1341
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, so you're not giving if you're not giving

1342
01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:22,000
up number sixteen Tristan to Silva, and what amounts to

1343
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:23,599
two additional first round.

1344
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 2: Picture, No, it's the two additional one I'm barking at

1345
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,119
because again, the availability. Yeah, I get it, I get

1346
01:06:29,239 --> 01:06:31,320
the allure of Flamelo, Don't get me wrong, I do.

1347
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,840
It's the lack of availability. I keep coming back to it.

1348
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,920
I'm I'm so fucking afraid of overpaying for a guard

1349
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,960
who might be playing twenty five forty games for me

1350
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:43,679
every single year.

1351
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: I think. The other thing to consider with him or

1352
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,480
any other it's even something to consider with Kobe White

1353
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:52,119
after this year, Yeah, is just you have to fit

1354
01:06:52,159 --> 01:06:54,039
them into your salary structure moving forward. And like the

1355
01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:59,239
appeal of Anthony and Anthony Edwards, the appeal of a wish, Yeah,

1356
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:02,440
the appeal Vanthony Simons would be, what is he at

1357
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,199
twenty five million or whatever? You don't see that number

1358
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,920
going higher? With Kobe White. I probably don't see him

1359
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,280
like doubling up his salary necessarily, but he could. LaMelo's

1360
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:13,440
already making way more than that.

1361
01:07:13,639 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 2: Oh, I would be shocked if you didn't.

1362
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:19,039
Speaker 1: Well, I'm saying you probably don't want another thirty million

1363
01:07:19,079 --> 01:07:19,960
dollar a year player.

1364
01:07:20,199 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 2: And here, no, no, no, But like I mean, oh, okay,

1365
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,239
now I understand what you're saying. I thought you were

1366
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,800
saying that you dan for Valley didn't see him get,

1367
01:07:29,079 --> 01:07:30,559
you know, double the money next time.

1368
01:07:30,599 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, if the Bulls are the

1369
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,159
ones negotiating the contract, he might get the max as

1370
01:07:34,199 --> 01:07:35,039
far as I'm concerned.

1371
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,559
Speaker 2: So that's funny you say that, because that's probably the

1372
01:07:37,679 --> 01:07:40,119
one thing I'll actually compliment the bulls about they've been

1373
01:07:40,239 --> 01:07:43,440
really good at getting guys in retarch, like getting guys

1374
01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:46,679
back under the market deals. Like I would assume that

1375
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:47,599
was a freaking.

1376
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,519
Speaker 1: Steal, Yeah, Williams, what a bargain.

1377
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:54,719
Speaker 2: They They messed up on pat for sure, but like that,

1378
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,679
those were two very very they wound up deals.

1379
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 1: They probably wound up net neutral again on the con track,

1380
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,800
not the trade with Vouch like his value right now. Yeah,

1381
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,079
that's not that's not unfair.

1382
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,519
Speaker 2: But I hear you though. And oh, they did a

1383
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:09,960
good job last summer on Jalen Smith and then they

1384
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:12,360
just fucking didn't play him for whatever reason.

1385
01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: Well, I honestly, the gauge will be what do they

1386
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,920
give Josh Giddy, who apparently wants five years and one

1387
01:08:19,079 --> 01:08:21,960
fifty per Mark Stein and people expect him to get it.

1388
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:23,640
That's a hard pass for me.

1389
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 2: Oh hard dude. I'm so I'm gonna say something semi controversial.

1390
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,079
I'm not giving him half.

1391
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:34,359
Speaker 1: That five years and seventy. I mean I'm not. You're

1392
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:35,800
not going to give him what ten percent of the

1393
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,279
salary cap? You know he's worth that.

1394
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm out, completely out.

1395
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,039
Speaker 1: I there are challenges building around him for sure or

1396
01:08:45,119 --> 01:08:47,800
with him because you're not building around Josh Giddy, and

1397
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,880
if you are, I have questions, lots of questions.

1398
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 2: That's the kind waight yep, I I.

1399
01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:56,319
Speaker 1: Look they're in a good spot. The salary stuff gets

1400
01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:58,720
a little tricky because your internal guys have gotten so

1401
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:02,840
good in sugs from Palabancaro my final thing, and I

1402
01:09:03,199 --> 01:09:05,720
we can end it with here without the discussion. My

1403
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,960
spiciest take is that I wouldn't hesitate to trade Franz

1404
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,319
Wagner for some of like these upper echelon guys.

1405
01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you for saying that, because yes, I am

1406
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,760
right there. I've been getting a lot of pushback when

1407
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,479
I've been criticizing Franz Schwackner.

1408
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 1: I think LaMelo for Franz is like a framework would

1409
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:26,920
be one of the most interesting challenge trades.

1410
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 2: That would be interesting, like and look hear me out

1411
01:09:30,039 --> 01:09:33,359
on Franz, right. I love the slashing. I think the

1412
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:38,479
defense has grown. I think as a decision maker he

1413
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:42,319
is very very good, pretty good passor yeah, very good passer.

1414
01:09:43,399 --> 01:09:48,119
That freakin' jump shot which is now being apparently retailored

1415
01:09:48,199 --> 01:09:51,600
from scratch where he's like launching it and it's not

1416
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,760
a shot. It's a push, it's an aim to push.

1417
01:09:55,880 --> 01:10:00,319
Fuck no, like that's what at a MAX guy at

1418
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,239
the wing spot, who's supposed to be like one of

1419
01:10:03,319 --> 01:10:06,359
the primary spacers next to Paolo bank Caro, who's like

1420
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:10,720
the guy who's supposed to optimize the effectiveness of Paolo

1421
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,840
ban Caro, who can't shoot. Really, that's where we are.

1422
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,319
And it's not just this year. It was last year too.

1423
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,399
It was during the Olympics too. I watched all of that.

1424
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:23,399
I'm not trusting a guy who can't shoot. This is

1425
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,079
this is twenty twenty five. We're not in nineteen eighty

1426
01:10:26,119 --> 01:10:26,680
five anymore.

1427
01:10:27,279 --> 01:10:28,520
Speaker 1: Like that.

1428
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 2: You just can't have a guy in there on that

1429
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:36,760
type of salary who's playing the primary wing slot and

1430
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:41,119
who's like breaking shots occasionally that doesn't even hit the

1431
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:45,920
frickin' rim. I'm sorry, that's that's apologize.

1432
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:50,079
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you. I think I do think nationally,

1433
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,039
there are more questions about if you look at them

1434
01:10:53,039 --> 01:10:55,520
through their lens of their MAX deals. When Palo scign says,

1435
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,479
people seem to be more worried about Palo's aging poorly

1436
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,039
than Franz Vakner. And I find that fascinating because I

1437
01:11:01,359 --> 01:11:02,640
would be completely flipped for me.

1438
01:11:03,119 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, same, same, And I say this as someone who

1439
01:11:06,039 --> 01:11:10,560
if we ignore the three, I freaking love what Franz

1440
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,479
Faulkner is doing. Like he gets to the line as well,

1441
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,520
and he's converting at a high rate, which I guess

1442
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:20,000
also boats well for the three to come along eventually.

1443
01:11:20,319 --> 01:11:23,399
But I think right now that shot is just a

1444
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:24,399
freaking mess.

1445
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think, look, there's a lot of data

1446
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,279
out there that shows that, like the offense and the

1447
01:11:28,319 --> 01:11:31,560
team overall is better when he is playing without short Hollow.

1448
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:34,640
I think there's a lot of things that go into that.

1449
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,039
The spacing with the two of them is just so bad,

1450
01:11:37,239 --> 01:11:39,720
in part because of Franz at this point. The other

1451
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,520
thing is, with the exception of this season when Palo

1452
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,199
was injured, a lot of those minutes are Franz is

1453
01:11:45,279 --> 01:11:48,800
going up against opposing teams as like not best lineups,

1454
01:11:49,079 --> 01:11:51,479
Like the leverage in those units is just not super high.

1455
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:54,199
But two really good basketball players. But yeah, that was

1456
01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:56,520
my spice, and just we leave it there and let

1457
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,279
it marinate more. We're just asking questions and give and takes, that's.

1458
01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 2: All what we're asking questions.

1459
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, our final team, the Washington Wizards. Yeah, rightat with them,

1460
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:08,520
what's the question more, I just.

1461
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 2: Want to, like, we have to ask the big question

1462
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,159
what is their biggest need? They're still young there, we

1463
01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:18,640
are no rush to like accelerate their timeline, but what

1464
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,399
is their biggest need as of present? Like they have

1465
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:26,039
sarrow up front, they have quitable at the wing. Bob

1466
01:12:26,079 --> 01:12:29,159
Carrington I think had a perfectly fine rookie season. So

1467
01:12:29,279 --> 01:12:31,279
there's a guard in there, be that a one or

1468
01:12:31,319 --> 01:12:34,319
two or even a combo whatever they like. They have

1469
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:38,159
some pieces. So like as they go into these the

1470
01:12:38,399 --> 01:12:41,680
draft and free agency, what is there one thing that

1471
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:46,920
they have circled underlined italic whatever as the number one

1472
01:12:47,079 --> 01:12:49,079
thing for them going into next year.

1473
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 1: I think you can go two different ways with it.

1474
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,279
This would be mine, and I'm curious what you think. Okay,

1475
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,640
you could go the floor general route, because I really

1476
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,640
like bub Canrington, but I kind of wonder if if

1477
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,279
you don't want to call him an off guard, It's like,

1478
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,760
is that just someone you want running like second units

1479
01:13:04,039 --> 01:13:06,119
or like when that floor general is off the court,

1480
01:13:07,239 --> 01:13:09,760
or do you just want a primary on ball scorer

1481
01:13:10,039 --> 01:13:12,680
sort of like who Chris Middleton could be, but doesn't

1482
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:15,039
fit your timeline. Who Kyle Kuzma thinks that he is

1483
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:22,880
type deal. Yeah, I would be choosing between those pers

1484
01:13:23,079 --> 01:13:26,840
like personally, because I think sar Is the passing is great.

1485
01:13:27,319 --> 01:13:29,800
I think that the three point shot is gonna come along.

1486
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,079
Actually hopefully as he gets stronger, he'll finish better. But

1487
01:13:33,159 --> 01:13:34,960
I don't view him as sort of an offensive hub

1488
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:36,399
type guy. Like I think he's gonna be more of

1489
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:40,520
a play finisher or creator rather than like a self creator. Yeah,

1490
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,680
Kola Bali has been. He's had some very interesting on

1491
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,119
ball moments. I just don't know that I've seen enough

1492
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:47,520
of it. And so he kind of feels within the

1493
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:49,560
same realm. Like if you're putting him into that primary

1494
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,960
scorers role, I think you're over taxing him.

1495
01:13:52,279 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 2: And so yeah, at least at least now, I'm not

1496
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,800
closing that door in like two years, though, I think

1497
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:04,640
he does have enough on ball chops for that conversation

1498
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,199
to be far more interesting. When he turns like twenty two,

1499
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:10,319
it wouldn't.

1500
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,399
Speaker 1: Shock Maybe it would shock me, but like if you

1501
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,479
told me that we fast forward half a decade and

1502
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,960
you're like, he turned into jail and Brown on offense.

1503
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,079
Speaker 2: Right, I'd be like that that was the same name.

1504
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,199
Speaker 1: Really, that's amazing.

1505
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 2: I love that.

1506
01:14:25,279 --> 01:14:27,239
Speaker 1: I don't. I haven't seen like Jalen Brown. I think

1507
01:14:27,239 --> 01:14:29,319
always kind of showed hints of like the in between

1508
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,720
jumper game, but yeah, that just wouldn't shock me. So

1509
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,760
I think it just those are my two what I'd

1510
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,880
be picking between. Where do you sort of land with that?

1511
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 2: Between those two, I would go floor general, and I

1512
01:14:41,039 --> 01:14:43,720
would go floor general for one specific reason, and that's

1513
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:44,479
you should never.

1514
01:14:44,399 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 1: Lie as a free agent. And you want to bet I.

1515
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 2: Love that, Yeah, honestly so, and you should never go

1516
01:14:51,039 --> 01:14:53,680
for like one reason. But there's something that bothered me

1517
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,800
a great deal when I was watching Wizards games this year,

1518
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:05,000
so almost every single game, I counted several instances where

1519
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:07,319
Sar was either in the dunker spot or he was

1520
01:15:07,399 --> 01:15:10,800
open for a lob, or he was he was there

1521
01:15:11,079 --> 01:15:14,039
like in the play where a quick dump up pass

1522
01:15:14,039 --> 01:15:15,800
would have led to a dunk or a layup or

1523
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:19,520
like an easy score, and he was looked off routinely.

1524
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:23,319
And I don't it was never like ill intentioned, but

1525
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,880
it feels like that was the youth issue there that

1526
01:15:26,199 --> 01:15:29,840
you know, Kulabli or Carrington or whoever. Well, okay, even

1527
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,479
Malcolm Rockton, he's not a youth, he's he's not a

1528
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,479
young guy, but he just didn't really realize. Oh I

1529
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,600
had Sar on the wing. But I felt as though

1530
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,640
his offensive development was very much hintered by the fact

1531
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:44,760
that he was not getting a lot of those shots

1532
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,960
that we all anticipated he would be getting, like shots

1533
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:52,119
near the rim, lobs, like quick dump up passes. And

1534
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:56,319
it just bothered the everlasting fuck out of me that

1535
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,680
guards just didn't have the heads up that Jordan Poole,

1536
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:03,359
all by the way, was very much a big culprit

1537
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:07,039
of this, just did not realize, Oh, I have a

1538
01:16:07,279 --> 01:16:11,479
seven foot one power forward center whatever you want to

1539
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,800
call him, who's athletic as hell, who's right there in

1540
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:19,279
the play. I can just dump that ball off, take

1541
01:16:19,319 --> 01:16:21,159
a step back, give him the space to go up

1542
01:16:21,159 --> 01:16:25,039
against the rim. And that just did not happen at all.

1543
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,680
So I want to see someone who comes in next

1544
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:33,119
year who just runs the show where from the top

1545
01:16:33,319 --> 01:16:38,279
down there's like an emphasis in saying, look, we have

1546
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:43,079
to emphasize and prioritize the scoring of Alex Sar, and

1547
01:16:43,239 --> 01:16:46,199
like that has to be a roster wide recognition, because

1548
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,479
let's just be real, you're a better basketball team as

1549
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,359
well if you can get open dunks and open layups,

1550
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,560
like in transition. I know everyone is springing to the

1551
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,159
free proint line and that's fine with me, but like,

1552
01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:01,000
if you have an open dunk, I'm taking that, especially

1553
01:17:01,079 --> 01:17:04,199
off a seven to one athletic center like him, So

1554
01:17:04,399 --> 01:17:06,439
that has to be a main priority. And if no

1555
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:10,359
one on the current roster can do that, hell yes,

1556
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,119
I'm looking outside the organization for someone to come in

1557
01:17:13,159 --> 01:17:13,760
and run the show.

1558
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:17,359
Speaker 1: What's interesting? And I don't know. I have not begun

1559
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,439
my draft prep yet. That will begin in earnest shortly.

1560
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,279
I don't know if you're gonna address that with number six,

1561
01:17:24,119 --> 01:17:25,720
Like is there you know more about that? Is that

1562
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:28,720
an area where? Like is that at that number? Is

1563
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:30,039
that someone at that number?

1564
01:17:30,199 --> 01:17:33,560
Speaker 2: It's it's like it's tough, right, Like you have you

1565
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:37,600
have players who can make these passes, like you kasparashaqua

1566
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,159
Shonas out of Illinois for example, Like I trust him

1567
01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:42,399
to make good passes. The question I have there is

1568
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,279
about the scoring, like is he going to be a

1569
01:17:44,319 --> 01:17:47,439
good enough NBA scorer? Can he gain enough separation can

1570
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:52,079
he you know, overpower players. Can he score reliably and

1571
01:17:52,119 --> 01:17:55,560
efficiently at the NBA level is my overarching question. Then

1572
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,279
you have Jeremi Jeremier Jeremiers. Oh, I can't even say

1573
01:17:59,319 --> 01:18:03,359
that name. Jeremiah. No, how do you say that? This

1574
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,760
is the Dane in me right now? Fearce Fears The

1575
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:09,319
point are out of Oklahoma. God, I'm tired. I'm an

1576
01:18:09,359 --> 01:18:10,720
old dan. It's not a great combination.

1577
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: It's Jeremiah. Yeah, you were saying it, right, Jeremi.

1578
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 2: Jeremiah right, Jeremiah say j Meyer. Is that where you're

1579
01:18:17,359 --> 01:18:20,279
Jeremiah Fears. Oh god, yeah, sorry about.

1580
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 1: That, Jeremiah fears Mort's pronunciation of his name. I like that.

1581
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,239
Speaker 2: Oh god, that was that was atrocious. You should all

1582
01:18:29,319 --> 01:18:32,039
troll the everliving funk out of me for that. My apologies.

1583
01:18:33,319 --> 01:18:38,439
He is, you know, sort of a Deyont Murray type player.

1584
01:18:39,039 --> 01:18:43,960
You know, he's a very strong producer overall. He can

1585
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,159
get to the foul line. He actually converts at the

1586
01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:49,119
foul line too. Not much of a three point shooter, no,

1587
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:51,319
but like, look, there are a lot of guys who

1588
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,760
who are getting to the foul line then they're hitting,

1589
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,239
Like in the low seventies or whatnot. This is this

1590
01:18:56,279 --> 01:18:58,520
guy who's hitting in the mid eighties, like he's he's

1591
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:00,960
solid on when he gets the foul line and at

1592
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,600
the Colicia level getting over six et times for the game.

1593
01:19:04,119 --> 01:19:06,720
Kudos that is. That is a good sign. The three

1594
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:09,920
point shot not quite there yet, turning the ball over

1595
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,199
a little too much, but he's got the all round game.

1596
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:17,840
He's got this presence I think where he understands that

1597
01:19:18,039 --> 01:19:21,159
when he's just running down the floor, all eyes are

1598
01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:23,279
basically going to be on him, and he understands how

1599
01:19:23,319 --> 01:19:26,039
to leverage it. So he'd be a guy who I

1600
01:19:26,039 --> 01:19:27,319
wouldn't hate in that position.

1601
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,279
Speaker 1: I also wouldn't be opposed. And they just don't have

1602
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,880
the I would call it dispensable assets just yet to

1603
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,439
do it. But like if you said go get someone

1604
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:40,199
who it's either a second draft guy or if you

1605
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:42,479
even wanted to lean in towards that like they, I

1606
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,560
wouldn't hate this. I wouldn't hate them as a Kobe

1607
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,239
White team to come in and kind of I don't

1608
01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:49,520
know if he's the type of level of pass what

1609
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,039
you're looking for, but it's just like you have number

1610
01:19:52,079 --> 01:19:55,159
eighteen from Memphis and then you have that Warriors twenty

1611
01:19:55,239 --> 01:19:58,039
thirty pick. It's like that plus salary. I don't think

1612
01:19:58,279 --> 01:19:59,079
that's getting.

1613
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 2: You ball would be fun there too, Oh, that'd.

1614
01:20:03,239 --> 01:20:05,399
Speaker 1: Be a really good one. I also thought about them

1615
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,159
as like what if they were if Detroit is just

1616
01:20:08,199 --> 01:20:09,640
looking to move off, I'm like, what if they were

1617
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,199
the Jade and Ivy kind of second draft team that

1618
01:20:12,319 --> 01:20:12,479
might be.

1619
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 2: We think Jayden Ivy is a one or two because

1620
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,079
I am very much leaning to.

1621
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,199
Speaker 1: M that's a good I've seen. I don't He's had

1622
01:20:21,239 --> 01:20:23,760
some really spicy passing moments. I'd be interesting to see

1623
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:25,359
him in a role where he doesn't need to be

1624
01:20:26,119 --> 01:20:28,920
either coming off the bench or playing next to the

1625
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,840
primary creator, and that would this would be a situation like.

1626
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 2: That I still want to see. Maybe I'm that's just

1627
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,319
my optimism in Ivy. I still want to see him

1628
01:20:39,359 --> 01:20:42,000
next to Caid. After Kate broke out to the extent

1629
01:20:42,079 --> 01:20:44,960
that he did this year, we only saw Jayden play

1630
01:20:45,039 --> 01:20:47,640
thirty games this year. I would like to see him

1631
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:52,439
next to Caid after a full training camp next uh,

1632
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,720
well leading into next season, and just see if there's

1633
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:59,520
something there in like the off ball roll, I'm trying

1634
01:20:59,520 --> 01:20:59,680
to just.

1635
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:01,239
Speaker 1: Think of like what would be in like a veteran

1636
01:21:01,399 --> 01:21:03,640
name that they could trade for. That's not Oh, we

1637
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,359
went all in for this guy, right. I mean, although

1638
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:08,720
people are talking about maybe he'd be available, Darius Garland

1639
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,199
would be super interesting in Washington if the Cavs wanted

1640
01:21:11,279 --> 01:21:11,880
to trade him.

1641
01:21:13,359 --> 01:21:16,079
Speaker 2: So we're not talking about the Central Division. But I

1642
01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:18,680
just want to get out ahead of this. He should

1643
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:19,520
not be available.

1644
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:21,239
Speaker 1: I don't think he should be available either.

1645
01:21:22,199 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 2: He shouldn't be That's that's dumb. Don't do that, Cleveland.

1646
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:28,359
Don't don't. I mean, I know you were disappointing, disappointing

1647
01:21:28,399 --> 01:21:32,319
how everything ended. Just don't hold you react.

1648
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:34,319
Speaker 1: Do you know what the player is? I want to

1649
01:21:34,359 --> 01:21:36,680
know what it costs to get him. Maybe it's part

1650
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,479
of a three team deal because they're trading him and

1651
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:39,840
so you're going to grab him from the other team.

1652
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:40,760
Can you guess what it is?

1653
01:21:41,359 --> 01:21:42,039
Speaker 2: No, who it is?

1654
01:21:42,119 --> 01:21:48,560
Speaker 1: Sorry, tell me this is the Reed Shepherd team. Go

1655
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:52,079
get him. That costs you future draft equity probably, which

1656
01:21:52,119 --> 01:21:53,600
is just I'm not sure that this is a team

1657
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,640
that should be doing. And by the way, the reason

1658
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:58,600
the Rockets wouldn't trade him might just be because they

1659
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,039
believe in Rehepherd as much I do, and like Washington's

1660
01:22:02,119 --> 01:22:05,479
not solving. My point is Washington doesn't have the player

1661
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:08,279
that Houston would trade Read Shepherd for. So it's very

1662
01:22:08,359 --> 01:22:12,479
much multiple moving parts that the Houston went all in

1663
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:16,520
on Jannie or Kevin Durant or LaMelo Ball or somebody else,

1664
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,640
and you're trying to come in and scoop up Read Shepherd.

1665
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,079
But the team that is trading any one of those players,

1666
01:22:21,079 --> 01:22:22,720
I feel like they would probably want Read Shepherd to.

1667
01:22:24,039 --> 01:22:28,319
Speaker 2: What is Reach Shepherd's trade value at this current juncture?

1668
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 1: I I honestly have no idea, and that's probably why

1669
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,920
you don't move him, right, I guess if you're the Rockets,

1670
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:36,600
and it means getting y honest, Okay, Like we could

1671
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:38,920
talk about like how much value is he accounting for

1672
01:22:39,039 --> 01:22:41,199
in that deal? Like what else is Milwaukee gonna want

1673
01:22:41,239 --> 01:22:44,239
aside from that? So but my point was, and this

1674
01:22:44,399 --> 01:22:47,239
kind of ties into my like sort of micro question,

1675
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:49,720
I just want to see, like what's the plan with

1676
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,119
the veterans who are on the books could be entering

1677
01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:56,720
free agency. Middleton has that player option, Malcolm Brocken's going

1678
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:58,920
to be a free agent. You have Marcus Smarts on

1679
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,600
an expiring contract. Jordan Poole's deal has two years left.

1680
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:03,840
It no longer looks as bad after the season that

1681
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,600
he just had. It feels like they could be they

1682
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:09,000
have like it's like forty plus million under the tax

1683
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,720
if they wanted to facilitate signing trade with Malcolm Brogden,

1684
01:23:13,079 --> 01:23:15,239
you want to send out an expiring contract of someone

1685
01:23:15,239 --> 01:23:17,359
who can actually play and smart, or if Middleton picks

1686
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:19,479
up his option, you can take back money and get

1687
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,359
compensated for that. Or you could go the other direction,

1688
01:23:22,399 --> 01:23:25,600
if you're Washington and say we don't need number eighteen.

1689
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,159
We'll attach it to some expiring money, maybe include some

1690
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:31,039
other mini sweeteners. I'm not saying trade Sar or Kulabali

1691
01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:33,800
or Carrington or anyone like that. Can we get someone

1692
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,319
that we think can run the offense, even if they

1693
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,840
view them view that player not as like our point

1694
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:41,640
guard to say, of the future, but like, this is

1695
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:43,079
someone who could come in for the next two or

1696
01:23:43,119 --> 01:23:45,359
three years, be a nice steward, help out the young guys,

1697
01:23:45,399 --> 01:23:48,199
like you said, set up Alex Sar. Even look, I

1698
01:23:48,279 --> 01:23:50,600
want to see more short roll stuff with blau Koula

1699
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:52,399
Bali I think that's something he could do, like I

1700
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:54,680
come and get someone who could do that make the

1701
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:56,800
job easier on bub Carrington. So he's more of like

1702
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,800
you're a second side creator, just like your second string

1703
01:24:00,039 --> 01:24:03,319
floor general or whatever. I'm just they have a lot

1704
01:24:03,359 --> 01:24:05,000
of options and I'm just curious to see how they

1705
01:24:05,119 --> 01:24:08,800
go about their business. I think their trade deadline was

1706
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:10,720
kind of telltale in the sense that I think it'll

1707
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,800
be more of the same. Where you took on Chris Middleton,

1708
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,560
you took on Marcus Smart, you got a J. Johnson,

1709
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:18,439
you got the spot for Milwaukee, you got that draft

1710
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:21,119
pick from Memphis. I ultimately think that's how they will

1711
01:24:21,159 --> 01:24:24,159
handle like the veteran situation on their roster this year.

1712
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:26,640
But I am open to the idea because of what

1713
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,479
we just spoke about about them being just a touch

1714
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:31,840
more aggressive. I'm not talking about they should be the

1715
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:35,439
team to mimic last year's Pistons. Who Again, what's special

1716
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:38,760
about the Pistons is it wasn't major changes that spurred that.

1717
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,720
It was a lot of things happening from within and

1718
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,640
some like minor to moderate tweaks that really open things

1719
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:47,239
up for them. So I'm not saying do something major

1720
01:24:47,279 --> 01:24:49,079
where we talked about that with Charlotte, whereas are they

1721
01:24:49,079 --> 01:24:51,920
feeling the pressure do something major? But I just something modest,

1722
01:24:52,079 --> 01:24:53,920
something just a little bit out there, especially at the

1723
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,159
floor general spot or if you viewed as a primary scorer,

1724
01:24:56,239 --> 01:24:57,000
I just wouldn't hate it.

1725
01:24:58,359 --> 01:25:04,319
Speaker 2: I have an idea. So they're probably gonna win it, right,

1726
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:06,800
So they were probably gonna win the championship this year.

1727
01:25:07,119 --> 01:25:12,840
I think despite being a one bold down one or

1728
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:16,640
down one, we'll see, uh and and I feel like

1729
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,359
they're pretty locked up at guard with Shay case on

1730
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:23,119
Wallace and even I say Joe getting minutes at that point,

1731
01:25:23,239 --> 01:25:25,680
like even aj Mitchell, I think like they just have

1732
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:30,720
a bunch of guards. Nikoletop, who is you know he

1733
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:34,239
missed all this year with the A C L highly

1734
01:25:34,399 --> 01:25:41,760
touted prospect. Perhaps there was something there, like.

1735
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:43,720
Speaker 1: Is there something there with Nicole a topic? I do

1736
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:45,600
believe so, because would you like to know who I

1737
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,319
thought the best draft comp for him was when we

1738
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:51,479
were doing our draft prep last year. This is based

1739
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:53,000
off only the way he moves in some of the

1740
01:25:53,039 --> 01:25:53,960
spots he could get to.

1741
01:25:54,239 --> 01:25:58,239
Speaker 2: Okay, it was Shay oh oh damn?

1742
01:25:58,319 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, now, knowing the thunder and how important

1743
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:06,800
cost controlled guys are. No, you don't move him, but

1744
01:26:07,039 --> 01:26:09,319
like if you win the win the title, don't win

1745
01:26:09,399 --> 01:26:11,760
the title, Like how are you where are you finding?

1746
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:13,600
I mean they do it anyway. I guess they're winning

1747
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:15,600
so much in the regular season. Nicola Topic could be

1748
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,039
like their ninth guy averaging twenty minutes a game. But yeah,

1749
01:26:19,079 --> 01:26:21,880
that if you got Nicolo Topic as Washington, I don't

1750
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:24,359
know that's another guy though. You talk about what's Reed

1751
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:26,840
Shepherd's trade value? What are you giving up for Nicolo Topic?

1752
01:26:27,319 --> 01:26:31,000
He was drafted? What was he ninth, eight, twelfth, twelfth.

1753
01:26:31,399 --> 01:26:34,319
Speaker 2: It's a lottery pick, lottery pick with an ac elchair

1754
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:38,000
if you're offering and in a week draft. By the way,

1755
01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:42,600
eighteen and forty, No, I think I.

1756
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:48,560
Speaker 1: Think Okahoma's issues that down pretty pretty positively. No, so

1757
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,119
you're the guy you took at number twelve last year.

1758
01:26:51,159 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 2: You're gonna give up an acylsair first and foremost. But

1759
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:55,920
all right, so let's thinking here's the.

1760
01:26:56,119 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing, though, where are these roster spots

1761
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:01,079
coming from for Oklahoma City that you're now adding two

1762
01:27:01,159 --> 01:27:02,079
draft picks to this day?

1763
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 2: The fortieth the fortieth. That's where you get a stash

1764
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:11,239
guy at eighteen. You've reset the rookie scale clock.

1765
01:27:12,279 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but don't they have two So they have two

1766
01:27:15,079 --> 01:27:17,359
other first rounders in this draft, don't they they have

1767
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:20,079
the number twenty four.

1768
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:22,159
Speaker 2: Then look at future picks.

1769
01:27:24,079 --> 01:27:26,359
Speaker 1: Well, maybe that's where it kid's interesting if Washington says

1770
01:27:26,399 --> 01:27:28,199
we will give up one of our own first round

1771
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:30,239
picks in the future for Nicole a topicch.

1772
01:27:30,119 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, with certain protection levels. You're right, it should be noted.

1773
01:27:33,399 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 1: I would be shocked if Okse did that. But I

1774
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,279
like the name for Washington, that's for sure. That would

1775
01:27:38,279 --> 01:27:38,760
be interesting.

1776
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I don't I don't know how high

1777
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,399
they are and on him and moving forward, like maybe

1778
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,520
they're super high and they think he can be you know,

1779
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:50,279
a fully flatched rotation guy, you know down the line.

1780
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:53,920
Then I just have the question, whereas Cason Wallace gonna play,

1781
01:27:54,279 --> 01:27:56,479
should case On Wallace be the guy that the Washington

1782
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,600
Wizards go after, Like eventually you're just you gotta have

1783
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:03,119
to look at the OKC and sort of way to

1784
01:28:03,159 --> 01:28:06,199
see what shakes loose. Oh will.

1785
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,359
Speaker 1: So I'm not rejecting the notion that really good players

1786
01:28:09,399 --> 01:28:11,920
could shake loose. I just don't think the value was there.

1787
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,039
Like I think that Okay, see, if they're going to

1788
01:28:14,079 --> 01:28:16,359
do it, it would be for distant first, which is

1789
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:18,760
just so that they can continue rolling this thing forward.

1790
01:28:19,159 --> 01:28:22,880
And it's your Washington. That's a really big gamble, I

1791
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:23,720
will Yeah, that's.

1792
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 2: Going with the future first. That's fine. That's fine. Like

1793
01:28:26,119 --> 01:28:28,000
make it top ten protected or whatever.

1794
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:33,079
Speaker 1: I that's a really interesting name. I mean, that's I'm

1795
01:28:33,159 --> 01:28:37,000
just curious, Like I was, like, where does his playing

1796
01:28:37,079 --> 01:28:38,840
time come from? An okac? But I think you could

1797
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,000
have asked the same question about aj Mitchell at the

1798
01:28:41,039 --> 01:28:43,439
start of the season as a rookie, and he ended

1799
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:45,560
up being in the rotation anyway, So like, okay, see,

1800
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:50,079
just finds a way. So what about here's another name? Well,

1801
01:28:50,079 --> 01:28:54,359
actually I have two, Scottie Pippen Jr. Oh yeah, to

1802
01:28:54,399 --> 01:28:54,920
get him out of.

1803
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,600
Speaker 2: Memphis'd be fun. Yeah, that's a good name. Love that

1804
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:03,079
is he Let me just look at that salary situation.

1805
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:04,479
What is his deal?

1806
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:07,319
Speaker 1: I mean, he makes basically nothing, which I think is

1807
01:29:07,359 --> 01:29:08,119
why you wouldn't.

1808
01:29:08,319 --> 01:29:10,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I know, it's just for next year,

1809
01:29:10,399 --> 01:29:12,720
so like next year it's fully guaranteed. Then it's a

1810
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:16,720
non guarantee, but you almost so let me figure this

1811
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:19,920
out because he was a second rounder. Isn't there something

1812
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:23,680
along the lines that if you don't accept that last

1813
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,880
year or sorry, if you accept that, you can decline it.

1814
01:29:29,359 --> 01:29:32,600
That was the thing. Yeah, so you have to decline

1815
01:29:33,119 --> 01:29:36,279
the twenty seven to twenty eight option for him to

1816
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:40,199
be a restricted free agent. Now wait a second, Hang on,

1817
01:29:40,399 --> 01:29:42,520
he's not playing in the league to just two years?

1818
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:44,319
Has he? Is this his second year?

1819
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 1: I don't isn't he different? Isn't he not on his

1820
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,000
rookie contract? Is that right? You're right?

1821
01:29:49,199 --> 01:29:52,039
Speaker 2: This is his third year. Oh, hang on, this gets

1822
01:29:52,319 --> 01:29:55,399
way more confusing because he was on the Lakers on

1823
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,119
an Exhibit ten deal. Then he became a two way

1824
01:29:58,159 --> 01:30:01,039
player in Memphis. Okay, no, no, no, no, no. So

1825
01:30:01,199 --> 01:30:05,239
those the parameters we just talked about, they're not relevant here,

1826
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:06,279
I think.

1827
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:08,159
Speaker 1: So that might influence it in the sense of saying,

1828
01:30:08,199 --> 01:30:12,680
like Memphis shouldn't be as inclined to not trade him.

1829
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:14,640
I'm not saying they should look to actively trade him,

1830
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:16,520
but you're not in a situation where you can keep

1831
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:18,079
him just out of the open market.

1832
01:30:19,159 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 2: Right, that's a good name. I don't like I don't

1833
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:25,239
hate that. I mean he's six', one so you know

1834
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:30,239
he's not a big, guard but he might be one

1835
01:30:30,279 --> 01:30:32,439
of the best backups in THE nba at this.

1836
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 1: Point the other NAME i, had AND i don't THINK

1837
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:38,720
i think this would have to be another three teamer

1838
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:42,560
where It's minnesota decided to do something else and now

1839
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:44,800
you're coming in and swooping in and Getting Rob, dillingham

1840
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:46,840
like you're. NOT i don't think it's a straight up

1841
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:48,760
trade BECAUSE i Think minnesota would have to be, like

1842
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:53,159
we don't Want Julius, randall but we Want Chris, middleton

1843
01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:57,119
and you're gonna give Us Chris middleton and stuff For Rob.

1844
01:30:57,239 --> 01:30:59,720
Dillingham AND i just that doesn't say it have to

1845
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,640
be Like minnesota traded For Kevin durant and Wherever Rob

1846
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:04,479
dillingham ended up as part of that. Trade like if

1847
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:06,159
It's phoenix or another team you're trying to come in

1848
01:31:06,199 --> 01:31:07,640
and Get Rob, DILLINGHAM.

1849
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:13,239
Speaker 2: I wouldn't Hate Rob dillingham. EITHER i mean shooter capital

1850
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:17,159
as shooter for sure going to space the, floor the,

1851
01:31:17,319 --> 01:31:20,159
PLAYMAKING i think he's got.

1852
01:31:20,239 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 1: It he could probably get off the ball a little

1853
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:23,920
too quickly sometimes where maybe you'd want to see him

1854
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:25,399
like milk the possession a little.

1855
01:31:25,399 --> 01:31:29,079
Speaker 2: More but, YEAH i, mean, look that's a good. Gamble

1856
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:31,840
it's it's just as fine as the gamble is you

1857
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:35,239
call it. Topic, Honestly No Coola topich would.

1858
01:31:35,239 --> 01:31:37,399
Speaker 1: BE i would love to just see him somewhere that's

1859
01:31:37,399 --> 01:31:39,479
gonna play him so much right off the. Bat BUT

1860
01:31:40,199 --> 01:31:43,399
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