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Early this morning, the Senate approved the recision 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,799 as it's called that included a billion dollars over like 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:47,759 two years of cuts to NPR and PBS, finally making 13 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,079 good on promises that Republicans have been making to their 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:57,439 voters for darn near three decades. Okay, and I'm happy 15 00:00:57,479 --> 00:01:00,000 about it. That's not to say that I want an 16 00:01:00,119 --> 00:01:03,280 PR or PBS to fail. It's not to say that 17 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:04,840 you know, the cuts aren't going to hurt them in 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,680 some way. They will, but they will have to adapt 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,799 to that because that's the right thing to do. It 20 00:01:11,879 --> 00:01:15,680 is ethically wrong to take money from me to pay 21 00:01:15,799 --> 00:01:17,200 for my competitor. 22 00:01:18,799 --> 00:01:19,359 Speaker 1: That's wrong. 23 00:01:20,359 --> 00:01:25,079 Speaker 2: And their are arguments in defense of their taxpayer subsidies. 24 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:30,599 Don't hold water. They are unpersuasive to me. Now you 25 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,680 are free to disagree. You are free to disagree that 26 00:01:33,719 --> 00:01:38,359 their programming is biased. I disagree with that. I believe 27 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:42,159 their programming is biased. I listen to their programming. I've 28 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,560 heard it. I used to work for an NPR affiliate. 29 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,239 As I said last hour and have said repeatedly throughout 30 00:01:47,239 --> 00:01:50,519 my career, I will quote their work, particularly the local 31 00:01:50,599 --> 00:01:53,599 affiliate WFA. I quote their work. Steve Harrison does good 32 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:58,319 work on transit related issues. And when I worked there, 33 00:01:58,359 --> 00:02:01,000 I liked everybody that I worked with, very nice people. 34 00:02:01,079 --> 00:02:04,239 They liked me, they gave me a full time job. 35 00:02:04,319 --> 00:02:07,519 I mailed coffee mugs and stuff to people. So I 36 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,240 don't have any ill will towards NPR or their affiliates 37 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,759 or any of the people that work there. I do 38 00:02:13,879 --> 00:02:19,240 take umbridge at the subsidies the taxpayers use or have 39 00:02:19,439 --> 00:02:22,400 taken from them, the subsidies the taxpayers are forced to 40 00:02:22,439 --> 00:02:26,840 pay to support these outlets when I don't believe it 41 00:02:26,879 --> 00:02:28,280 to be necessary or ethical. 42 00:02:28,719 --> 00:02:29,599 Speaker 1: That's my position. 43 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,599 Speaker 2: I got a bunch of emails here we were talking 44 00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:35,759 about at last hour, so we'll keep going here because 45 00:02:35,759 --> 00:02:37,840 I've got a lot of people weighing in on this. 46 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,680 This is from Ron. It's a peat meal, and he says, 47 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,879 in the nineteen eighties and early nineteen nineties, I traveled 48 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:48,759 for work nearly every week, and I religiously listened to 49 00:02:48,879 --> 00:02:51,639 Radio Reader in the morning and All Things Considered in 50 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:56,000 the afternoon. Though NPR has always leaned left, they did 51 00:02:56,039 --> 00:03:00,319 not inject a political component into every single segment back then. 52 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,759 I agree with that. I grew up listening to NPR. Literally, 53 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,360 Dad listened to it on his commute from Long Island 54 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,759 into the city, fifty miles each way, so he was 55 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,439 listening to NPR morning and afternoons. We would listen on 56 00:03:16,479 --> 00:03:19,680 weekends with the car guys and stuff Lake Woebegone Days 57 00:03:19,719 --> 00:03:24,400 and all of that. Yeah, I grew up listening to 58 00:03:24,439 --> 00:03:28,159 this station, or to the NPR station in New York. 59 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: It has shifted. 60 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,719 Speaker 2: A lot of people that work over there have had 61 00:03:35,759 --> 00:03:40,479 their brains broken by particularly Trump most recently. And that's 62 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:46,919 what Uri Berliner said, longtime business editor at NPR who 63 00:03:46,919 --> 00:03:50,439 wrote the piece about how like everybody that works there 64 00:03:50,599 --> 00:03:52,840 is of the left, there's nobody on the right over 65 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,759 at NPR. None of the editors out of like eighty 66 00:03:55,879 --> 00:04:00,599 seven editors. They're all liberals. So again, don't tell me 67 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,960 that that doesn't affect their coverage. I've worked in this 68 00:04:03,039 --> 00:04:05,960 industry long enough to know it absolutely does affect your 69 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,520 coverage because you have blind spots for certain stories that 70 00:04:10,599 --> 00:04:12,000 don't break through your bubble. 71 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:14,439 Speaker 1: You aren't even aware of the stories. 72 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 2: And then if you do become aware of a story 73 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,279 that maybe started in conservative media, you tell it a 74 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,519 different way. You interview different people about what the crux. 75 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:25,959 Speaker 1: Of the story is. 76 00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 2: And don't even get me started on the COVID stuff 77 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,519 or the Hunter Biden laptop stuff. They refuse to cover it, 78 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,120 saying it's not news. They said, this is not news, 79 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,079 it's not true. They just they shut down everybody. They said, oh, 80 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:45,399 the lablique theory was debunked, It wasn't. They flat out 81 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,800 made coverage decisions based on political philosophy. And again, you 82 00:04:49,879 --> 00:04:52,360 are free to do that, but you are not free 83 00:04:52,439 --> 00:04:54,560 to take my taxpayer money to do it. 84 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: That's all. 85 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 2: Back to this email from Ronnie says, now nearly every 86 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,800 single or set, now nearly every single segment or darn 87 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,800 near every one of them, goes almost immediately off on 88 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,279 some woke political tangent. In their defense, they don't consider 89 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:15,120 it to be biased because they assume that their positions 90 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:16,480 are just statements of fact. 91 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: Yes they do. Oh my gosh, everything. 92 00:05:18,759 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 2: Is j six the democracy right, everything is filtered through 93 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:26,480 these prisms and the intersectionality, the gender queer stuff. It's 94 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:33,319 you know, it's all through that prism, Tim says, regarding NPR, PBS, 95 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:37,560 USAID and all the other cuts. Oh the humanity. Let's 96 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:42,279 protest mostly by old white farts and awfuls awfls are 97 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,759 affluent white female liberals. I told my wife that I'm 98 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,399 tempted to stage a counter protest by putting on an 99 00:05:48,399 --> 00:05:51,839 adult diaper and baby bonnet, then handing out pacifiers at 100 00:05:51,879 --> 00:05:56,959 one of their protests. Uh, if you do, I want pictures, Tim, 101 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,240 Let me see here. This is from Eric Pete. If 102 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,959 you have never seen the show Parks and rec Representing 103 00:06:06,199 --> 00:06:08,519 Public Radio, you have to check it out. Look for 104 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,920 a clip called Leslie sends out a bat signal on YouTube. Okay, 105 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:13,800 I will have to look. It's one of those shows 106 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,920 I do want to watch, I just have never gotten 107 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:16,399 around to. 108 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:18,399 Speaker 1: Doing so. 109 00:06:22,519 --> 00:06:24,319 Speaker 2: I don't know who this is, but it's an eight 110 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,439 oh three number I'm so glad you have a text line. 111 00:06:26,639 --> 00:06:28,600 Now I can participate without having to wait on the 112 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,759 phone line. Yes, well you're welcome, and thank you to 113 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:38,279 Liberty Buke, Liberty Buick GMC as well. So, Nick, who 114 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:39,720 do we have on line one? 115 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,199 Speaker 1: On hold? 116 00:06:43,879 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: Okay, see our phone lines. This is what happens when 117 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,319 you don't get the taxpayer subsidies. Our callscreen program is 118 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:52,079 blanking on the names we have. 119 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: Harry who wants to discuss the Epstein witch hunt? Harry, 120 00:06:55,879 --> 00:06:59,120 we're not talking about Epstein. I mean right now. 121 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: I talked about it the day. I'm busy dragging NPR. Here, 122 00:07:05,439 --> 00:07:09,279 come on, let me see here. This is from This 123 00:07:09,319 --> 00:07:12,800 is from the text line from Rich. NPR is using 124 00:07:12,879 --> 00:07:15,839 the same argument as Planned Parenthood. If you cut our funding, 125 00:07:15,879 --> 00:07:19,279 people will suffer. Yeah, it's always the same arguments, right. 126 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:25,079 The last great NPR program was car Talk co Talk. Yeah, 127 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,000 it was excellent, pure crap since then. That's from Nikki. 128 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:34,720 The money component of this is interesting, and I'm going 129 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,000 to go into some of this because a lot of 130 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,240 people don't realize how the funding actually works, which is 131 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,639 why you hear these confusing messages coming out of the NPR. 132 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,680 People and the PBS people, mainly the NPR folks, And 133 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,800 that's really where most of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting 134 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:55,240 where that funding goes, Like seventy percent of the CBP 135 00:07:55,439 --> 00:08:00,319 money goes to or CPB money goes to NPR. So 136 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:05,839 I will go through that mechanism. This is from David 137 00:08:05,839 --> 00:08:08,759 Strawm at hot air dot com. He says, NPR is 138 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,839 where you go to see why making kids transgender is 139 00:08:11,879 --> 00:08:15,480 the only way to prevent a suicide epidemic, And NPR 140 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,120 is where you go when you need to be told 141 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,519 that you are a very good person because you hate Republicans. 142 00:08:19,839 --> 00:08:22,240 If you are under the illusion that there's no partisan 143 00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:26,000 bent to NPR and PBS's coverage, feel free to turn 144 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,040 yourself into a pretzel explaining why Democrats are so eager 145 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,120 to save it and Republicans have been trying to defund 146 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,559 it for years. As I mentioned, you're a berliner. He 147 00:08:34,639 --> 00:08:37,000 worked there twenty five years and he wrote a piece 148 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,960 explaining that NPR is biased, and they forced him out 149 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:47,120 after he said so. Unfortunately, there is actually a cohort 150 00:08:47,159 --> 00:08:50,279 of over educated liberals who honestly believe that NPR and 151 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,960 PBS are the gold standard of reporting and that making 152 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:58,200 cartoons about the wonders of drag and top surgery, that 153 00:08:58,279 --> 00:09:00,799 this is a great leap forward in edge hating our kids. 154 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,840 They are welcome to believe that, but not to our 155 00:09:03,919 --> 00:09:07,600 tax dollars to push that crap onto the airwaves. These 156 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:11,000 quote unquote nonprofits claim that they get almost no money 157 00:09:11,039 --> 00:09:12,840 from the government, but then they tell us they cannot 158 00:09:12,879 --> 00:09:17,960 function without government subsidies. And I mentioned this in the 159 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,200 last hour. I'm going to pick this back up also 160 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,919 because I've got a couple of sound bites they've now 161 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,879 that they started taking to the airwaves to make these 162 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:34,679 arguments that rural America depends on their weather forecasts, that 163 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:41,759 rural Americans rely on NPR for their emergency alerts, which 164 00:09:41,799 --> 00:09:45,000 is an unconscious admission that they don't have a clue 165 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,039 about rural America. 166 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: Right. 167 00:09:49,639 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever heard rural Americans dialing into NPR. Okay, 168 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,159 like they're not dialing up Morning Edition to get the 169 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,559 like the latest soybean prices. Come on the fact that 170 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,600 you think that rural Americans are listening to NPR in 171 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,960 any sort of large numbers, and that they don't have 172 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,840 any coverage for any other radio stations that provide them 173 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:13,679 alternative content or to give them the eas alerts proves 174 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,399 you don't know what you're talking about. You don't know 175 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,039 this population that you claim to be servicing, all right, 176 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:20,879 if you're listening to this show, you know I try 177 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:22,679 to keep up with all sorts of current events, and 178 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,799 I know you do too. And you've probably heard me 179 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:29,039 say get your news from multiple sources. Why well, because 180 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,759 it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've 181 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:35,120 been so impressed with ground News. It's an app, and 182 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,240 it's a website, and it combines news from around the 183 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,960 world in one place so you can compare coverage and 184 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:44,879 verify information. You can check it out at check dot ground, 185 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,200 dot news slash pete. I put the link in the 186 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,480 podcast description too. I started using ground News a few 187 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,200 months ago and more recently chose to work with them 188 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,000 as an affiliate because it lets me see clearly how 189 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,879 stories get covered and by whom. The blind spot shows 190 00:11:00,879 --> 00:11:03,799 you which stories get ignored by the left and the right. 191 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:08,639 See for yourself check dot ground, dot news slash pete. 192 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,360 Subscribe through that link and you'll get fifteen percent off 193 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:14,679 any subscription I use the vantage plan to get unlimited 194 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,000 access to every feature. Your subscription then not only helps 195 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:20,799 my podcast, but it also supports ground news as they 196 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,279 make the media landscape more transparent. All right, so, as 197 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,080 I understand it, Harry is now called back on topic. 198 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,519 Speaker 1: Well we shall see. Hello Harry, Welcome to the show. 199 00:11:30,039 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 4: Hello, pleite, Harry? 200 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,759 Speaker 1: Do I'm doing all right? What's up? 201 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 3: I don't think they should cut the phone, NPR and 202 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,039 and PBS because PBS, I mean I think they should 203 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,879 because PBS is kind of like Beestme Street. The used 204 00:11:43,919 --> 00:11:47,039 to me Sesme Street was really education. That's kind of 205 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,639 It's kind of for funny people. 206 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,879 Speaker 2: It's what for for for the funny people, like. 207 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: For the for the funny people. Madam Got Sugar and 208 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,279 the Tight Got Sugar? 209 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: Are you trying to say that it appeals to gay people? 210 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,440 Is that what you're trying to do? You watch a 211 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,200 lot of Wait, do you watch a lot of Sesame 212 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:07,679 Street nowadays? Yes? 213 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 4: Wa Ait? 214 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: Wait what's the last episode of Sesame Street that you watched? 215 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 3: When the garbage? 216 00:12:16,279 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 2: I don't believe, Harry, I don't believe you actually watch 217 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,759 a lot of Sesame Street. I think you wanted to 218 00:12:22,799 --> 00:12:27,320 call about Epstein and then you just try to backfill 219 00:12:27,399 --> 00:12:29,559 this so you could get on to make some other 220 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,080 point or about whatever. I'm not really sure, but I 221 00:12:33,159 --> 00:12:35,000 just did. I don't feel comfortable where that was going. 222 00:12:35,039 --> 00:12:37,240 I don't like I got the sense my radar was 223 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:40,480 tripped that you may not be completely on the up 224 00:12:40,519 --> 00:12:43,159 and up. I may be wrong, but feel free to 225 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,799 text seven four five, seven eleven ten. Like this person 226 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,440 did very upset when I said, I'm not talking about Epstein, 227 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,480 I'm talking about NPR. I think I actually said that 228 00:12:51,519 --> 00:12:56,720 I'm I'm dragging in PR and this person, are you 229 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:01,279 not talking about Epstein because you got your orders from Trump? 230 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,919 Oh and that's from the fella or gal who is 231 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:10,399 the avid NPR listener. Yes, I'm on a group chat 232 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:15,679 with Donald Trump, and so he texts me directly because 233 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,320 he knows that I've been such a huge supporter of 234 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:24,200 his from the very moment he wrote down the escalator. Yeah, 235 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,840 that's it, you got me. I guess he'd be a 236 00:13:26,879 --> 00:13:29,320 little upset that I did a whole hour on the 237 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,200 Epstein thing on like Monday, I think it was Monday, 238 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,360 third Hour, did a whole hour on it. So, yeah, 239 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:45,679 that's me. Studiously avoiding the Epstein story. Goodness anyway, No, 240 00:13:45,799 --> 00:13:47,960 I try to talk about things that are topical, and 241 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,559 we try to mix up the topics as well. And 242 00:13:50,639 --> 00:13:54,399 so this is me mixing up the topics, and I'm 243 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,159 following along with the developments in the Epstein stuff. And 244 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,960 when there's some new development, I will I will talk 245 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,840 about it. I've talked about the schism and the fighting 246 00:14:03,879 --> 00:14:07,480 between the Magalan people over it, but that's neither here 247 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:12,799 nor there today. Today, today we celebrate a victory, a 248 00:14:12,919 --> 00:14:19,399 victory in defunding NPR and PBS because our tax dollars 249 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,759 should not be used to pay for programming that is 250 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:29,440 widely available on all sorts of platforms. This is from 251 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,360 an op ed at The Hill dot com and this 252 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,159 was written in twenty twenty three. Okay, so this is 253 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:40,200 two years old, two plus years old. It's written by 254 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,519 Howard Huesock. He's a senior fellow and domestic policy at 255 00:14:44,519 --> 00:14:47,480 the American Enterprise Institute. He served as a member of 256 00:14:47,519 --> 00:14:51,559 the Corporation for Public Broadcasting Board of Directors for five years, 257 00:14:51,759 --> 00:14:54,919 and he was appointed to that post by that right 258 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:59,559 winger Barack Obama. Okay, here's what he wrote in twenty 259 00:14:59,559 --> 00:15:04,799 twenty three. It is misleading for NPR to assert that 260 00:15:04,879 --> 00:15:08,480 it receives just one percent of its funding from the 261 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,840 federal government. The reality is more complex and should raise 262 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,720 questions for those who care about the future of quote 263 00:15:15,799 --> 00:15:21,120 unquote public media. NPR may receive little direct federal funding, 264 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,360 but a good deal of its budget comprises federal funds 265 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:31,000 that flow to it indirectly based on federal law. So 266 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,080 here's how it works. Under the terms of the nineteen 267 00:15:34,159 --> 00:15:38,960 sixty seven Public Broadcasting Act, funds are allocated annually to 268 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:43,759 a non governmental agency, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, overseen 269 00:15:43,879 --> 00:15:49,879 by a board of presidential appointees. That corporation CPB, in turn, 270 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,759 can choose to support original programming that's produced by public 271 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:59,360 TV or public radio, but by law, it has to 272 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:03,639 direct much of its annual funding, which is more than 273 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,399 half a billion at this point, They have to direct 274 00:16:08,519 --> 00:16:12,039 most of their funds to local public TV and public 275 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,279 radio stations across the country. They do this via community 276 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,919 service grants, right, So this is grant money from the 277 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:25,000 CPB that goes to the local station. Those local stations 278 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,799 then if they want to broadcast things like all things 279 00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:32,799 considered fresh air this American life, whatever it is. If 280 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,159 they want to air those shows, any programming that is 281 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:42,519 produced by NPR or its competitor, the American Public Radio 282 00:16:43,159 --> 00:16:48,360 Network APR, those local stations then have to pay NPR 283 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:55,279 for those shows. The local stations are actually required by 284 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:00,559 law to have a certain amount of national programming. The 285 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:04,200 nineteen sixty seven Acts specifies that of the funds they 286 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,839 receive from the CPB, twenty three percent of the funds 287 00:17:08,039 --> 00:17:12,559 shall be available for distribution among the licensees and permittees 288 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:17,000 of public radio stations, solely to be used for acquiring 289 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,920 or producing programming that is to be distributed nationally and 290 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:25,160 is designed to serve the needs of a national audience. 291 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,440 So if you are a local station and you want 292 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,240 to air morning edition, you have to pay for it 293 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,079 with the money that the FEDS just gave you from 294 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,480 the taxpayers, which then flows to NPR. 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Barry texts in So 325 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,839 I just learned something, Pete. If somebody runs a nonprofit 326 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:37,240 and accepts federal money, the federal government controls the nonprofit. Yep, Yeah, 327 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:41,599 that that's basically how that works. You have to keep 328 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,480 following their rules. You know, there are rules for NPR 329 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:50,839 and how they can advertise things. Unless this has changed, 330 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,119 But when I was working at an affiliate, there were 331 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:58,880 specific rules like you couldn't do prices. You couldn't talk 332 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,079 about the price of your thing, couldn't compare it to 333 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,319 another product, you couldn't say, oh, we're better than them, 334 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,240 and you couldn't do calls to action. Come on down 335 00:20:06,279 --> 00:20:08,480 and take advantage of this. You can't do those things. 336 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,119 I don't know why, I'm just saying there are restrictions, 337 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,240 and if you take the government money. 338 00:20:14,319 --> 00:20:15,759 Speaker 1: You got to play by their rules. 339 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 2: It controls you, and then that obviously puts you in 340 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,160 a different kind of a position. 341 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,079 Speaker 1: Barry says, thanks so much for what you're doing. Keep 342 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:28,440 it coming. 343 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 2: Okay, here's the last bit from again. This is Howard Huesock, 344 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:38,440 who was formerly on the Corporation for Public Broadcasting put 345 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,599 there by Barack Obama. Back in twenty twenty three, he 346 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:47,039 wrote an op ed at The Hill talking about NPR's funding. 347 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,240 And he's writing this from a position of trying to 348 00:20:50,279 --> 00:20:53,839 find a way to preserve the funding. But he's quibbling, 349 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:58,200 if you will, with the argument that NPR just gets 350 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,319 a tiny little bit of federal money. It's so little 351 00:21:01,559 --> 00:21:05,920 actually that if you cut it, they will die. Anyway, 352 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,759 he says, it has become possible. Indeed, it is commonplace 353 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:19,319 to access NPR programming directly from NPR itself on a smartphone. 354 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,759 This sort of access, known as over the top, means 355 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:30,200 listeners can bypass local stations altogether. See he's complaining about 356 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,599 the law that requires the funding to go to the 357 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:37,440 local stations first and then them having to pay NPR 358 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:38,160 to get. 359 00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: The national programming. 360 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 2: He says, the question then arises as to the future 361 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,440 of local NPR affiliates. There can be an important role 362 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,680 for them, notably in establishing or expanding local newsrooms, partnering 363 00:21:51,759 --> 00:21:55,759 with struggling local newspapers, or otherwise filling the voices of 364 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:00,440 so called news deserts. Yeah, that's another line that's become 365 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:06,119 in vogue. Remember food deserts. Remember when we started hearing 366 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,720 that term about ten years ago or so. Now they're 367 00:22:08,759 --> 00:22:13,039 talking about news deserts. And look, the local NPR affiliate 368 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,920 here has a partnership with I believe the Charlotte Observer. 369 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:21,000 I know they have one with the Charlotte Ledger. So yeah, 370 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:24,400 you can do partnerships like this to increase your reach 371 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:29,640 beyond just your your radio station. Also, I mentioned this 372 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:34,519 last hour. They get grants from various foundations that pay 373 00:22:34,599 --> 00:22:37,400 for a reporter position to focus on the types of 374 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,920 you know, liberal causes that the foundation wants to amplify. 375 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,039 There are positions funded at and this is not just 376 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,839 at the NPR affiliate, but also at the Charlotte Observer. 377 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: And they disclose it as they should, but they put 378 00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:53,839 it in the at the bottom of the article. 379 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 2: There was there was also this ridiculous argument that everybody 380 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:06,920 in rural America is relying on NPR affiliates for emergency 381 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:12,839 weather alerts, right yeah, and that if they don't get 382 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,319 this funding, then people are going to lose access to 383 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,880 these weather alerts. As if everybody doesn't have a smartphone, 384 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,640 like there are more people of smartphones then listen to 385 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,480 NPR stations. Okay, that's just a fact. There's greater coverage 386 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,880 with smartphones than there is with the radio sticks operated 387 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,720 by NPR affiliates. So here's Senator Eric Schmidt speaking on 388 00:23:35,759 --> 00:23:39,480 the floor of the Senate yesterday and about the you know, 389 00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:43,880 the calls to keep the funding in place to preserve 390 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,000 the emergency alert system. He calls this, this whole narrative 391 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:47,759 a lie. 392 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 4: Basis saying that the funding CPB will somehow prevent Americans 393 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,440 from receiving emergency alerts is demonstrably not only fear monitoring, 394 00:23:57,759 --> 00:24:00,960 but not true emergency alerts the kind you see on 395 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,799 your cell phone and that air on TV and radio 396 00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:07,119 stations are sent out via system funded and operated by 397 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,440 FEMA called the Integrated Public Alert and Warning System, or IPAUSE. 398 00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:15,319 If we were send cbb's annual funding, IPAUSE will continue 399 00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:19,279 to operate as usual sending emergency alerts to cell phones, 400 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:23,920 public broadcasters and commercial broadcasters alike. Simply put, we don't 401 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,960 need to subsidize left wing propaganda in order to keep 402 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:27,920 Americans safe. 403 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 2: Now, you can disagree with his characterization of NPR as 404 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,200 left wing propaganda if you wish. 405 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,039 Speaker 1: That's not the point. 406 00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 2: The point is these concerns are simply fear mongering. But 407 00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:45,160 that's what we have been treated to. And again, like 408 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,720 I've been in this industry a long time, I've complained 409 00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:54,960 about taxpayer funding going to my competitors, and I look 410 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,960 at it strictly from that perspective. 411 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: They may be. 412 00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: Filling a niche for for liberal listeners, but I don't 413 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:08,079 care about that. Fill the niche, go for it, you know, 414 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,839 like Air America did, and you know, we know how 415 00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:12,839 that turned out for them. Like they are still on 416 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:18,759 the air someplace, I think, aren't. They are free to 417 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,920 run whatever programming they want, construct whatever model they wish, 418 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,839 just you can't use taxpayer money for it. 419 00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:26,519 Speaker 1: That's it. 420 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 2: And this argument that it's going to jeopardize rural americans 421 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,920 lives because they won't be able to get the eas 422 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,839 on an NPR station is ridiculous improves you don't know 423 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,759 the audience that you're serving. Well, here's the thing, I 424 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,200 have no doubt they do know the audience they are serving. 425 00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:48,000 I know that firsthand. 426 00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: I know they know. 427 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 2: Okay, So that tells me they're just saying it in 428 00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:59,160 order to get rural Americans to feel afraid. Why would 429 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,119 they do that. Well, I've talked about this before. Democrats 430 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,799 are trying to lose less badly in rural areas, and 431 00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:12,599 so if they can turn this argument into a Republicans 432 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,599 hate the rural Americans they claim to represent. If they 433 00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:18,200 can turn it into that kind of an argument, maybe 434 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:23,119 they will lose fewer votes in the rural areas. That's 435 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,960 what I suspect is going on, because the argument that 436 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,880 you're going to lose emergency alert systems is ridiculous. You know, 437 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,480 stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, 438 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,920 to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of 439 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,279 our past while transcending generations. They help us process the 440 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,759 meaning of life and art. Stories are told through images 441 00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:47,599 and videos. Preserve your stories with Creative Video started in 442 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,400 nineteen ninety seven and mint Hill, North Carolina. It was 443 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,839 the first company to provide this valuable service. 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They are your life told 453 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,359 through the eyes of everyone around you and all who 454 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,640 came before you, and they will tell others to come. 455 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,680 Who you are, visit creative video dot com. 456 00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: This is from Steve. It's a Pete tweet. 457 00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 2: Pete, I, personally I'm glad NPR and PBS are losing 458 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,519 tax dollar funding. I don't want our money going to 459 00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:46,680 any broadcast network, no matter what their political leanings are. Exactly, 460 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,200 that's exactly. That's my only point here. This is a 461 00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:57,079 post from Adrian Vermule at Harvard Law. What I find 462 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,319 puzzling and interesting about NPR is the same thing in 463 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,960 miniature that I find puzzling about liberalism in many contexts. 464 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,799 Speaker 1: And it's this. This should sound familiar. 465 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,519 Speaker 2: To you, by the way, if you listen to this program, 466 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:19,400 the utter inability to impose limits on itself liberalism or leftism, 467 00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:25,400 I would say, but this guy says, liberalism like NPR 468 00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:29,319 has this inability to impose limits on itself, even when 469 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,240 the failure to do so is obviously self destructive. If 470 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,240 NPR had even pursued its ideological agenda merely to the 471 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,240 eighty percent level rather than essentially one hundred percent level, 472 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,559 it would not be in the position that it is 473 00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:46,680 in now. But they just couldn't help themselves. It's like 474 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,400 a dictator who rigs the election at one hundred to 475 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:53,359 zero rather than the far more plausible seventy five, twenty 476 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,960 five or some such number. Yeah, there's because this's what 477 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,559 I keep saying. You can never go too far. The 478 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,119 left can never go too far. It's it's baked into 479 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,160 the ideology. It's baked into the philosophy or religion. If 480 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,119 you will, let's go to the phone lines. Here is 481 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,200 this Brian, Welcome. 482 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,559 Speaker 1: To the show. Hello, Brian, can you hear me, Yes, sir, 483 00:29:19,599 --> 00:29:20,119 I can hear you. 484 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was know you weren't listening to the 485 00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:30,160 gentleman that we that he was calling. Uh he was 486 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,200 talking about the emergency signals that go out through MPR, 487 00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:38,160 and they were emergency signals that go out through m PR. 488 00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:39,519 That does happen. 489 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, it also happens on every other radio station and 490 00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:46,279 TV stations. 491 00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:49,119 Speaker 3: Listen. I'm not I'm not I'm not arguing about that. 492 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,759 I'm just saying that they do go out on NPR. 493 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,039 I'm not saying that they don't go out on any 494 00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:56,400 other stations. But I know that he said something about 495 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,960 famous and so that gives those alerts? Now did give 496 00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:05,279 to those uh Texas plus those Texas plus? Did FEMA 497 00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:06,720 alert those people down there? 498 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: Yeah? 499 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 2: There were there were warnings that went out beforehand. How 500 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:13,759 did they go out through the IPAUS system? 501 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 3: Through who the I? 502 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 2: As Senator Schmidt said in that in that quote that 503 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,400 you obviously listened to very closely, it was he talked 504 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,559 about the IPAUS system. 505 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 3: Okay, so so they went out and so that system 506 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,440 didn't work. What's that that system didn't work because that 507 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:33,480 was the other failure? 508 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, because well but do you right, do you 509 00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:36,440 know why? 510 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 2: Do you know why that the camp particularly why the 511 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,720 the all the kids at the camp, why they didn't 512 00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:44,119 get those alerts? 513 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,119 Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay, but but but but you're saying that 514 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:49,720 they went out. 515 00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:53,559 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, they did go out, all right, Well you 516 00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:53,920 don't have that. 517 00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 2: Look, you don't have to believe me. But you called 518 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,960 and asked me, and I'm telling and what I. 519 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: Just told you. 520 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,599 Speaker 3: They do. You know, absolutely everything that you say is 521 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:07,000 planet towards the ideology of a quote unquote conservatism. And 522 00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:11,279 I don't even know why you guys say that you're 523 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:14,440 a conservative, because you're liberal as well. 524 00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:17,599 Speaker 2: So I'm liberal on what you know, I'm liberal on 525 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,440 your phone dropped out? You said we're liberal on what? 526 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:26,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not conservative on everything in your life? Aren't 527 00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:27,960 your liberal about something? 528 00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:28,319 Speaker 1: Yeah? 529 00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 3: That's why I am conservative about everything. 530 00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:32,799 Speaker 2: No, that's why I have called myself a lower case 531 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,680 L libertarian. It's why I also refer I make a 532 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:41,079 distinction between liberal and leftist. 533 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:43,079 Speaker 3: You said you're a libertarian. 534 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,839 Speaker 2: I said, I'm a lower case L libertarian. I lean 535 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,759 more towards libertarianism, but I am not a capital L 536 00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:51,240 registered libertarian because I disagree with them on a whole 537 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:51,839 bunch of stuff. 538 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,839 Speaker 3: You don't know what you are? Then obviously you know. 539 00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: I know, I know what I am. But here's the thing. 540 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,519 Speaker 2: You want to apply this label to me in order 541 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:02,519 to play some game of gotcha, and I know I 542 00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:05,279 make it difficult because I'm a free thinker. That's that's 543 00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:06,720 a better term you can use that. 544 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 3: I mean, you're still young, You're still young. 545 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,279 Speaker 2: How young do you think I am? I think, I 546 00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:12,359 bet I'm older than you. 547 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:13,279 Speaker 3: No, I don't think. 548 00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: You How old are you? You have to oh, Brian, 549 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:18,480 how old are you? Brian? Brian? How old are you? 550 00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:22,799 Speaker 3: I'm not going to dispose that. Why not believe me? 551 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:23,960 I'm definitely older than you. 552 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:24,519 Speaker 1: You don't know that? 553 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:25,039 Speaker 4: No? 554 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,799 Speaker 2: All right, Well how old do you think I am? 555 00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:29,000 Because you're too cowardly to tell me your age? 556 00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:30,039 Speaker 1: How old do you think I am? 557 00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 3: I will give you you probably late forty early fifty 558 00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:34,240 year old young man. 559 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,039 Speaker 1: And so you are seventy. 560 00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:40,519 Speaker 3: And I'm not quite seventy, but I'm closer to that 561 00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:41,039 than you are. 562 00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so I am younger than you. 563 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 3: No, regardless, listen, regardless of that, regardless of that. It's 564 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,400 just that you know, like I said, I. 565 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,559 Speaker 2: Think it's not But here's the thing, Brian, it's not 566 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:55,000 regardless of that, because you made a point to bring 567 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,960 my age into it, indicating that that somehow negates my arguments. 568 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: And it does. No, it doesn't. 569 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 2: Just because you're older doesn't make you smarter or wiser, Brian. 570 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,039 Speaker 3: Right, right, right, And because you're a libertarian doesn't make 571 00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:08,519 you right. 572 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:09,079 Speaker 1: I didn't. 573 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,279 Speaker 2: No. Look, I am open to the possibility that I 574 00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:13,960 am wrong on any number of things. 575 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:14,599 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. 576 00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 2: Just like you, I don't believe that I hold opinions 577 00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:22,079 if they are incorrect. If I held an opinion that 578 00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:24,079 I thought was wrong, I would change that to one 579 00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:25,599 that I think is right, much like you do. 580 00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 3: Right. 581 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: You don't hold opinions that you think are wrong, do you. 582 00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 3: I try not to write me neither. 583 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 2: So you and I when we disagree, most people virtually 584 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,680 everybody does. In fact, I don't think I've ever encountered 585 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,200 a single human being that knowingly holds an opinion that 586 00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:45,000 is incorrect. 587 00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:45,279 Speaker 4: Right. 588 00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 2: They believe the things that they believe for reasons. He's 589 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,880 your president too, he's your president too. So look, everybody believes. 590 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,319 Everybody believes that the opinions that Brian, Brian Brian, Brian, Brian, 591 00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:01,119 everybody believes that the opinion as they hold are true. 592 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,279 So you and I may disagree on a particular issue, 593 00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:07,640 but we just came to different conclusions based on evidence. 594 00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:11,199 That's why I try to present evidence to support my 595 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,400 opinion and you're free to disagree. But like you were 596 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,039 the one that said, somehow, age is relevant to this discussion, 597 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,880 and it wasn't. You asked for information about the warning systems, 598 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,639 didn't term you brought it into the debate. You brought 599 00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:28,639 it into the argument and said that somehow or another, 600 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:30,920 if I got older, I would agree with you. That's 601 00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:34,119 you making my age relevant to the argument. 602 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:35,559 Speaker 1: You have been, Brian. You did. 603 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,199 Speaker 3: I was saying this that you had time to evrol. 604 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, so in other words, I'm wrong because I'm younger. 605 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,639 See that's what you exactly. You did not disprove my point. Okay, 606 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:46,800 you actually reinforced my point. You made it for me. 607 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: Once again. Thank you for the call, Brian. I think. 608 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 2: But it took Texas Public Radio nineteen hours to post 609 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,800 anything about the flooding on its social media. National Weather 610 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,960 Service posted its alert July third, uh and it was 611 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,440 half a day later when the flood hit and the 612 00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:08,079 NPR affiliate actually did not carry any alerts whatsoever. 613 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,639 Speaker 1: So those are the facts, buddy, I don't know what 614 00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:13,679 to tell you. All right, that'll do it for this episode. 615 00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:15,079 Thank you so much for listening. 616 00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 2: I could not do the show without your support and 617 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,039 the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, 618 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,480 so if you'd like, please support them too and tell 619 00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:24,239 them you heard it here. You can also become a 620 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,960 patron at my Patreon page or go to thepetecleanershow dot com. 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