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Speaker 2: And I had a little trigger on this preparing for
Speaker 2: this one today's episode? Is this only human? Or maybe
Speaker 2: something more?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Now, here's what I want to say about this. We're
Speaker 2: going to talk about this only human? How do we
Speaker 2: know whether there's something more? How do we understand what
Speaker 2: the word human is? Now? I know I go off
Speaker 2: on the pop culture thing every once in a while,
Speaker 2: but I got to tell you that's Spielberg movie Discover
Speaker 2: What Disclosure Day. That really gets you to think about
Speaker 2: some things you never thought about before. But the whole
Speaker 2: point of this is why can't we be both? Why
Speaker 2: can't we be all of it? Do you think maybe
Speaker 2: that whoever you believe in was you know? I mean, honestly,
Speaker 2: I grew up thinking the stalk drop me off. So
Speaker 2: the stork flies in and drops the baby offs like
Speaker 2: they didn't tell me the real story about that for
Speaker 2: a long time. But then some days we discovered that
Speaker 2: bird didn't bring nobody in. But then we don't know, well,
Speaker 2: then who am I? What am I? And what could
Speaker 2: I become? See? This is what We're going to talk
Speaker 2: about what is the lens that we're looking through as
Speaker 2: we look at our lives? What are we looking through?
Speaker 2: And do you believe that you're going to be leap
Speaker 2: frogging ahead in the way of life you want? Believing
Speaker 2: you're only human? I'm not going to answer that question, Catherine.
Speaker 2: I think you should answer that one.
Speaker 1: In two words.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it. You know, here's a funny story.
Speaker 2: You know. I started when I was a kid, and
Speaker 2: I think I mentioned that to you, but I started
Speaker 2: really badly, all right, And I remember, like it's got
Speaker 2: to be in fifth grade when we start to use
Speaker 2: the word human and science and stuff like that, and
Speaker 2: I could not get that word out. And so I
Speaker 2: was a little triggered by this episode because I had
Speaker 2: practiced it. And when I practiced the episode, I started
Speaker 2: to stutter the word human. Okay, we can do a
Speaker 2: whole show on that. But it's so interesting how we
Speaker 2: absorb things in our life, how we either remember things,
Speaker 2: but then I remember what happened that allowed me to
Speaker 2: say that word. Now, clearly I started for the next
Speaker 2: twenty minutes, but let's talk about could the moment that
Speaker 2: I reached that I actually could utter the word human
Speaker 2: in the middle of fifteen million other versions of it.
Speaker 2: Could it have been something more?
Speaker 1: Catherine, Well, it sure sounds like it to me. And
Speaker 1: I also want to say that when we talk about
Speaker 1: this today, there's no right answer, right and what There's
Speaker 1: no right answer and there's no wrong answer. It's simply
Speaker 1: an exploration so that people may begin to think about
Speaker 1: what you've been thinking about and describing, Well, how does
Speaker 1: it feel to me? And what does it do to
Speaker 1: me on my insides? How do I feel when I
Speaker 1: think I am only human? I am a human being?
Speaker 1: And then there's because there's three phrases that we hear
Speaker 1: a lot, right, I we're only human one, two we
Speaker 1: are human beings having a spiritual experience. And three we
Speaker 1: are spiritual beings having a human experience. So we'll be
Speaker 1: looking at these in terms of identity and experience. So
Speaker 1: these are the lens through which we live our lives
Speaker 1: and create our identities. So thinking of I'm only human,
Speaker 1: I mean why even say only I was going to
Speaker 1: ask you that let's just say I'm human. I'm I'm human,
Speaker 1: And I think the point of and maybe why it's
Speaker 1: I'm only human is because that leaves room for compassion
Speaker 1: when we make a mistake, when we're feeling like, you know,
Speaker 1: just human like, and what if it's limiting, what if
Speaker 1: it's kind of an excuse. There's a song in the
Speaker 1: seventies called I'm only human, right, No, I'm only human
Speaker 1: bone to make mistakes.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, guess what.
Speaker 1: I read the lyrics when I remember that song, and
Speaker 1: it was a guy asking for forgiveness because he had
Speaker 1: an affair. Excuse me and forgive me because I'm only human.
Speaker 1: I'm like, uh huh, yeah, So can we use it
Speaker 1: as a limitation perhaps, And so there's different ways to
Speaker 1: look at I'm human.
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, we are human.
Speaker 1: We are flesh and blood and bones, and we have
Speaker 1: evolved into this physical temple and some people believe and
Speaker 1: that's all there is and that's okay. And when I die,
Speaker 1: that's all there is and that's okay. And I mean,
Speaker 1: that's it, and that's okay. That's one lens. And I
Speaker 1: think that for me, when I feel the most human
Speaker 1: is when I look in the mirror and I see
Speaker 1: myself maturing over time. I'm going to put it that way,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's not so easy. It's not so easy
Speaker 1: sometimes to watch myself change in that way, and so
Speaker 1: I feel very very human in those moments. I feel
Speaker 1: very vulnerable in those moments. And when I am doing that,
Speaker 1: I feel myself literally getting smaller because I'm identifying with
Speaker 1: a self that I know is only here for a while.
Speaker 1: I know this body was it built to last forever
Speaker 1: as a human body. You know, I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen in the future, but I wasn't meant
Speaker 1: to live forever in this physical temple and what I
Speaker 1: really want to. So that's kind of where I think
Speaker 1: it goes into, you know, feeling human. I'm not denying it, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not denying that I feel that way sometimes and
Speaker 1: that I can also expand my own consciousness with choice
Speaker 1: and with creativity and with possibility. Okay, so then this
Speaker 1: is what I'm seeing, This is how I'm feeling. How
Speaker 1: can I experience differently? What can I do?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So that's what I can do about that. With the
Speaker 1: I'm human and what I'm feeling particularly human, or when
Speaker 1: I'm pouting about something and I'm feeling human and small,
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel nice, lovey when you talk that
Speaker 1: look at my body is actually contracting. I'm feeling smaller
Speaker 1: and it shows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know that's a cop right. You know,
Speaker 2: you know when people say I'm only human, you understand
Speaker 2: what that means. When they do that, that means I
Speaker 2: Am not going to be accountable for my stuff, and
Speaker 2: I'm just going to tell you how I'm only you,
Speaker 2: and you're going to accept that and love me anyway,
Speaker 2: and you're not going to ask me a follow up
Speaker 2: question unless you're Linda. But beyond all that, that is
Speaker 2: one of the greatest relationship cop out things that is
Speaker 2: said between two people. Right, Try saying that to your boss. Okay, Whoopsie,
Speaker 2: But what you're talking about is so great. I love
Speaker 2: that we're talking about this.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I was on a panel once and they asked me,
Speaker 2: They asked everybody in the panel, would you freeze yourself?
Speaker 2: Freeze your body? What's the expression? What is that?
Speaker 1: Free on time capsule or something?
Speaker 2: And I had four other of my colleagues on there
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, no, I live in the life.
Speaker 2: I said, oh yeah, I freeze myself in a minute. Okay.
Speaker 2: Then it just generated all of this sick discussion on
Speaker 2: why they thought I would do that, and I stopped
Speaker 2: the panel. I said, dude, wait all of you. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't do it for some psychological I want to age,
Speaker 2: I said, I think the future and the technology we're
Speaker 2: going to develop in the future. I don't want to
Speaker 2: miss that, you know, part of this journey. Talk about this,
Speaker 2: because let's talk about aging aging for a minute, and
Speaker 2: aging gracefully versus what's happening now. Loneliness is in epidemic
Speaker 2: form M regarding to aging. Did you know that I am.
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised by that. And that's where I feel
Speaker 1: like when we start talking about human beings having a
Speaker 1: spiritual experience, then that expands from loneliness into knowing I'm
Speaker 1: never ever alone. And so if I'm obviously I'm a human,
Speaker 1: I am human. I am a human being and having
Speaker 1: e spiritual experience. Having spiritual experiences, well what does that
Speaker 1: mean to me? A spiritual experience is something beyond my
Speaker 1: rational mind. It is often spontaneous. I didn't plan it.
Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes I plan things and I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 1: this would be a great thing to do, and I
Speaker 1: trust that I'm going to go deeper and something wonderful
Speaker 1: again him Most of the time it is totally spontaneous.
Speaker 1: And I'll give you an example a recently, and these
Speaker 1: spiritual experiences also for me, are this spontaneous experience of joy,
Speaker 1: of awe, of being completely in the moment, of like
Speaker 1: forgetting all my age, forgetting my quote unquote limitations, forgetting
Speaker 1: what I should do, what I shouldn't do, what I
Speaker 1: can't do, what I'm supposed to do. And I'm whatever age,
Speaker 1: whatever culture says you can and can't do it, do they?
Speaker 1: I am nowhere anywhere near that ill limitation. I am
Speaker 1: in the moment. And so recently I went to Mount Shasta.
Speaker 1: I was at a meditation retreat, and they had this beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful river that was flowing right between right in the
Speaker 1: middle of the property. It had a couple bridges over it.
Speaker 1: And one of the afternoons we had off for a
Speaker 1: couple of hours to have some quiet time. All I
Speaker 1: put on my bathing suit and I went down to
Speaker 1: the river. I had the whole place to myself. I
Speaker 1: was on the up river from everybody else, and I
Speaker 1: spent the entire time crawling around in my bare feet, hands,
Speaker 1: the dipping in little swimming pools and little little pools
Speaker 1: of water, just like a little river rat, just like
Speaker 1: a kid. And so to me, I felt I was
Speaker 1: so embodied right and having a spiritual experience. Part about
Speaker 1: it was because I was in that place of awe
Speaker 1: and joy and playfulness. I was singing camp songs I
Speaker 1: hadn't remembered in decades. I was singing to the river,
Speaker 1: I was talking. You know, you know what a kid
Speaker 1: does when they're playing, And so to me, that is
Speaker 1: that human being having a spiritual experience. It was timeless.
Speaker 1: I mean when I finally did look at my watch,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm immediately from dinner and being very
Speaker 1: full of life. And it's this sense of being less
Speaker 1: myself than ever and yet more of myself. In other words,
Speaker 1: I was not self conscious. I was simply playing in
Speaker 1: the moment. So spiritual experience doesn't have to be a
Speaker 1: big dramatic thing or a big religious thing. It can
Speaker 1: happen in stillness and in nature and in laughter or
Speaker 1: in deep connection we are just This leads us to
Speaker 1: recognize that right here and now, we have that available
Speaker 1: to us, and that we are not separate from it.
Speaker 1: To get back to your question and point about this
Speaker 1: epidemic of loneliness with that expanded spiritual experience and that
Speaker 1: awareness never alone.
Speaker 2: You know, I ponder something very interesting I want to
Speaker 2: tell you, and it's related to this topic, but i'll
Speaker 2: tell you what it is. The minute that I had
Speaker 2: to go to study like the Bible, into this and
Speaker 2: that and that, all the stories. I love the stories.
Speaker 2: I love them all, And you know, I have a
Speaker 2: different view of it now. But I was always fascinated
Speaker 2: about one thing. He lived six hundred years and I
Speaker 2: always thought about that. So my little childlike brain one day, right,
Speaker 2: of course, it was not the right answer on the exam,
Speaker 2: said well, that's because he didn't live a life of
Speaker 2: a human. He lived a life following and being and
Speaker 2: having his higher power within him. Okay, it was the
Speaker 2: wrong answer, but it led me on a pathway. So
Speaker 2: you see, part of this is embedded in what we've
Speaker 2: talked about previously. Right, what if we weren't human? M
Speaker 2: how do we look at our humanness? Is that a
Speaker 2: word humanness? How do we look at this earth skin
Speaker 2: we're in beyond what we think are limitations because this
Speaker 2: thing we got here, this is a magnet, magnificent they
Speaker 2: our bodies are humanness? Can you. I mean, do you
Speaker 2: know how incredibly crazy this system is we have.
Speaker 1: I do, and And what you're pointing to, doctor pad
Speaker 1: is that six hundred years you were right as a kid.
Speaker 1: That was a metaphor because when we look at the
Speaker 1: question of are we spiritual beings having a human experience,
Speaker 1: that means we're timeless. You know that that was actually
Speaker 1: coined by Pierre Dear de Chardon, the French philosopher and
Speaker 1: Jesuit priest. I've also heard people saying we are spiritual
Speaker 1: beings practicing being human, that we're spiritual beings learning to
Speaker 1: inhabit humanness. So you know, people like Carl Sagan, we
Speaker 1: are consciousness experiencing itself. Another way to say that, right,
Speaker 1: I feel like it is another way to say that.
Speaker 1: And so it's about really this, instead of spirituality being
Speaker 1: something that I occasionally experience, what if this is actually
Speaker 1: my nature? What if I am that already? And maybe
Speaker 1: that's why we have such a rough rub when we're
Speaker 1: experiencing anger or despondence or anything like that, because that infinity,
Speaker 1: that infinite consciousness that knows all and is all joy
Speaker 1: and beauty and harmony is like WHOA wow? Really, where
Speaker 1: did that come from. Oh, yes, I'm practicing being human
Speaker 1: and this is part of it, right, This is part
Speaker 1: of it and such a beautiful thing. It also opens
Speaker 1: the question of who am I beyond this physical temple,
Speaker 1: beyond my emotions, beyond my cultural identity, my ethnicity, all
Speaker 1: of these things. Who am I beyond all of the labels?
Speaker 1: If you will, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with labels,
Speaker 1: And yet who am I beyond that? What if at
Speaker 1: essence I am a whole? And this is the classroom
Speaker 1: and where I get to remember and to express that
Speaker 1: wholeness and find those places where I lose that sense
Speaker 1: of my self consciousness. I become less self consciousness and
Speaker 1: more fully alive, more fully present, more fully me without
Speaker 1: all of that and being in those moments. I had
Speaker 1: a really powerful moment, unexpected at the beach, very clouded ay,
Speaker 1: very overcast, one of those very mysterious days where if
Speaker 1: I went five feet I couldn't see a person behind me,
Speaker 1: you know, ten feet or so. Ocean was very very close.
Speaker 1: We have these little sand pipers that go along and
Speaker 1: the little ladies that it goes very very very fast.
Speaker 1: And I was standing there just watching the sandpipers, and
Speaker 1: in a second, everything disappeared. There was nothing except for
Speaker 1: that moment. There was nothing. I was aware that I was,
Speaker 1: and yet everything else simply dropped way back, just like that.
Speaker 1: And then just like that, the wave comes in. The
Speaker 1: people emerged from, you know. And so these are those
Speaker 1: beautiful moments of transcendence where when we take the time
Speaker 1: to drop everything, really, whether it's in nature, whether it's
Speaker 1: on your meditation pillar, whether it's a moment during the
Speaker 1: day during meat to drop into that mourness, that is possible. Again,
Speaker 1: not everybody relates to that, and I respect that and
Speaker 1: I get it completely, and so it's a beautiful possibility.
Speaker 1: And I also think and believe that we can live
Speaker 1: in all three in one day.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, There's days I spill a lot of milk, and wow,
Speaker 1: do I feel human also? Just now I spill milk.
Speaker 1: But there's days when I feel more human and nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with that, and I'm very embodied. And then I
Speaker 1: have these wows, these moments of timelessness, and this thing
Speaker 1: you can't make up, you can't buy it, you can't
Speaker 1: read it, you can't learn it. It simply is. And
Speaker 1: then the moments of just feeling that there is something
Speaker 1: greater and infinite moving within me that I am part
Speaker 1: of and am in that river, in that river of life.
Speaker 2: And aren't these things, though important and help us move
Speaker 2: beyond the anger, the jealousy, the envy, like the mistakes.
Speaker 2: We did a show on shutar Wodakuda almost but you know,
Speaker 2: we have to have some remedy, but we keep looking
Speaker 2: outside like a pill, potion, lotion or maybe I should
Speaker 2: just you know, watch that live streaming whatever that is
Speaker 2: for twenty four But you're talking about looking at this,
Speaker 2: you know, looking at the beauty of our humanness. Yeah,
Speaker 2: understanding it, but also understanding that ain't the only thing
Speaker 2: we've been given.
Speaker 1: Yes, And in that I love what you just said
Speaker 1: about the beauty of our humanness. And it's about recognizing
Speaker 1: the immense within the every day, right, that expansiveness within
Speaker 1: every day. And so you know, we're not here to
Speaker 1: escape our humanity nor be defined by it, like you're saying,
Speaker 1: but to inhabit it more consciously. And there's a choice
Speaker 1: point at any given moment, right, Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know I came to my own conclusion on why
Speaker 2: Seth lived nine hundred and thirty five years. I don't
Speaker 2: even know. They're just a bunch of people. I came
Speaker 2: to my own conclusion about that many many years ago.
Speaker 2: Some people say it's not true, so I was just
Speaker 2: wasting my time with all their brain power. But to
Speaker 2: your point, we are powerful beyond belief, beyond measure. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we really are. But the reason we are is because
Speaker 2: we are more than our humanness. And that's what you're
Speaker 2: reminding us of today, and you're going to walk us
Speaker 2: through a way to reflect on that on an ongoing basis.
Speaker 1: Yes, it be my delight and my honor and my
Speaker 1: pleasure to do that. So I fondly call this a
Speaker 1: spiritual mind SPA treatment. So prepare for the SPA. So
Speaker 1: anyone listening, just continue to listen. If you're doing something
Speaker 1: that's okay, And if you're in a space really to
Speaker 1: take that moment to center in. I invite you to
Speaker 1: relax into whatever seat you are, you can even be
Speaker 1: lying down wherever you are comfortable and feel safe, to
Speaker 1: close your eyes and receive a deep breath from your
Speaker 1: belly all the way up the middle of your chest
Speaker 1: and your ribs all the way up to your heart
Speaker 1: and simply let it go. Simply allow the breath to
Speaker 1: guide you into a space of calm, to receive, To
Speaker 1: receive this spa a remembrance that there really is only
Speaker 1: one thing going in here, on any time, any place
Speaker 1: that we live in the lap of a loving and
Speaker 1: an infinite universe. It is all that There is no circumference,
Speaker 1: and there is no center to it, because it is everywhere,
Speaker 1: And so this means right here and right now, it is.
Speaker 1: It is all of the power imaginable, all of the
Speaker 1: power that shifts the plates in the earth and sets
Speaker 1: the stars ablaze. It is all of the presence, the
Speaker 1: presence that is the life force itself, that is energy,
Speaker 1: that energy that is inexhaustible and inextinguishable. It simply infinitely
Speaker 1: changes form. And it is that infinite intelligence, the perfect
Speaker 1: pattern of all of life, the Fibonacci code, the planets.
Speaker 2: In their orbits.
Speaker 1: We don't do that, but this infinite intelligence does. And
Speaker 1: guess what this is Who we are because we are
Speaker 1: embodiments of the very same power, presence, and intelligence. We
Speaker 1: are here by divine design and divine appointment to be
Speaker 1: uniquely are authentic selves. For there is only one around
Speaker 1: one of us in this physical temple, expressing as consciousness
Speaker 1: itself as all of this life and the joy and
Speaker 1: the beauty and the harmony that is infinite and is
Speaker 1: always present. This is who and whose we are, for
Speaker 1: we belong to the universe as its beloved expressions. And
Speaker 1: so I speak this word with great joy and confection
Speaker 1: for everyone within the sound of my voice, that everyone
Speaker 1: is a beautiful embodiment of this. Everyone is a star
Speaker 1: wrapped in skin billions of years in the making as
Speaker 1: them one time around. Only way to express this to
Speaker 1: live it. And so I affirm for them, and I
Speaker 1: call forth a knowingness of their innate power to be that,
Speaker 1: to be and express their unique selves, to do that
Speaker 1: which they feel called from the inside out to do,
Speaker 1: to live that life that is wonderful beyond their deepest imagination,
Speaker 1: to steep in the potential of the something more and
Speaker 1: follow its urgings, because it is the evolutionary desire back
Speaker 1: of all of creation, that is that impulse within them.
Speaker 1: And as they do, more good unfolds than they had
Speaker 1: even imagined, and they allow it to be. And so
Speaker 1: in gratitude I know that this is their spiritual birthright,
Speaker 1: it is our spiritual birthright. And in that knowing I
Speaker 1: released this word into the cosmic womb of infinite potential,
Speaker 1: the infinite field of possibility, that place of absolute, unconditional
Speaker 1: love that always says yes, yes, my beloved, and you
Speaker 1: are my beloved. It is my joy to give that
Speaker 1: unto you, which is your heart's desire, for yours and
Speaker 1: mine are the same. I bow to this. I welcome
Speaker 1: it to be so, and I released this, and we
Speaker 1: let it be, and so it is.
Speaker 2: So it is. Catherine, thank you so very much. If
Speaker 2: people want to have his personal experience with you for
Speaker 2: whatever is going on in their lives, what is the
Speaker 2: best way for them to contact you?
Speaker 1: Contact me through richer within dot com and I'll get
Speaker 1: right back to you. You can also listen to other
Speaker 1: talks as well on all of the on the Transformation talk.
Speaker 1: I'm on there. I'm also on YouTube at richer within
Speaker 1: and on Facebook where you can see a lot of
Speaker 1: my adventures into nature where I have these beautiful moments
Speaker 1: of transcendence. So thank you, I'm a star.
Speaker 2: I'm a star. We'll see you next time.
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