1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,359 Speaker 1: Today rumor came up from like a sea tier and 2 00:00:02,359 --> 00:00:04,440 then a C plus tier, so it started cooking firing 3 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,599 up a little bit off. See Mario, I saw you 4 00:00:06,639 --> 00:00:08,400 asking earlier, so we're going to talk about this. Now 5 00:00:08,439 --> 00:00:10,880 you had a question, so we'll answer that. But this 6 00:00:10,919 --> 00:00:12,960 week is the Penguin Finale, so make sure you go 7 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,880 and watch that. Today, I once again was watching The 8 00:00:15,919 --> 00:00:17,920 Batman them like because I'm just obsessed with that movie 9 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,399 and just score. But it did make me realize, Man, 10 00:00:20,399 --> 00:00:21,879 I need to get some better blinds where I live 11 00:00:21,879 --> 00:00:23,359 because I couldn't see fucking shit. 12 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: I was happy. 13 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: I've been telling Emily for the whole time I lived 14 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,640 here that we need better blinds to Oh it's fine Batman. 15 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,519 It's like I can't see pass and I know he's 16 00:00:30,559 --> 00:00:32,439 there because I can hear him grunting, but I can't 17 00:00:32,439 --> 00:00:32,880 see shit. 18 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: But today there is a. 19 00:00:34,679 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: Rumor that the next show, because Matt Reeves confirmed their 20 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,719 Doom Moore shows, the next show is supposed we can 21 00:00:39,759 --> 00:00:43,399 be starring Barry Kyogan as the Joker. It is rumored 22 00:00:43,399 --> 00:00:45,640 to be taking place in between Batman two and three. 23 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,079 The rumors scuttle Bud is right now that he will 24 00:00:49,119 --> 00:00:51,479 have a small role in Batman two, so I had 25 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,759 hope it would be bigger than Batman one, but imagine 26 00:00:54,759 --> 00:00:57,640 it's probably at least that size, and then he's supposed 27 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,600 to be the villain of Batman three. So thirty first 28 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,840 Offuly Penguin, Like, there's been lots of good buzz on it, 29 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,079 lots of people saying it's, you know, top tier, it's 30 00:01:06,079 --> 00:01:07,920 in that top echelon of combook shows. 31 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: How would you feel if. 32 00:01:09,239 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: Joker was next on the band wagon Because obviously big character, 33 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,719 great actor, but you know, we just had a bomb movie, 34 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,840 so I think it's a little bit different because it's 35 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,680 different iterations, but still it's maybe not a runaway hit. 36 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,640 Maybe are people in two years gonna be like, oh fuck, 37 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:26,000 like another Joker thing? Like do I need this? But 38 00:01:26,719 --> 00:01:28,359 what's what's your read on this? If we were to 39 00:01:28,359 --> 00:01:33,280 get an eight episode Joker show out of the Penguin. 40 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: I think that's you just took towards my mouth and 41 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,280 you said it then and there. I think that's why 42 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,319 we're getting this news on Joker and give me be 43 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,959 getting a project because of that movie, fullyogia and I 44 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,079 think that they want to now kind of cast it 45 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,319 into the fire. They want to turn it around, and 46 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,959 I think they destroy it, destroy exactly. I think they 47 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,120 really want to just put a new spotlight on on 48 00:01:58,159 --> 00:01:59,840 there right now. And of course you have Penguin that's 49 00:01:59,879 --> 00:02:03,040 just an absolute banger of a show, best one of 50 00:02:03,079 --> 00:02:06,000 the best shows this year, if not the best show. 51 00:02:06,319 --> 00:02:08,000 So I think that if you have that kind of 52 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,199 team and the momentum, throw that on a Joker and 53 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,080 then get some get some light ship onto that character 54 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,400 a little bit more, because yet people are not people 55 00:02:15,439 --> 00:02:17,280 aren't big on the movie. Get some light shed onto 56 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:17,639 that character. 57 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:18,439 Speaker 2: That's what I heard. 58 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 4: Shed Are you saying light shed light? 59 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, shed on shedd Yeah, I heard I heard light ship. 60 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: I hope not. 61 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: I hope not. There's like there's there's some older people 62 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,879 at my work that don't strike me as like the 63 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:39,360 like the like consistent like go to movies. But yeah, 64 00:02:39,599 --> 00:02:42,560 but they I hear I not that I'm eavesdropping, but 65 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,199 I'm kind of eavesdropping because either. 66 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:50,879 Speaker 2: Drop but long ten years. 67 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:57,759 Speaker 3: So they're talking about Joker too, and that that they're saying, like, oh, 68 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,479 I just found that was it was a musical. I 69 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,159 was watching it was like it was a fucking musical 70 00:03:01,199 --> 00:03:03,039 y and so we. 71 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 2: Talked about in the discord. 72 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,479 Speaker 1: Because I can't remember who I apologize who brought this 73 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:08,360 up in the discord. 74 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: I can't remember if it was. 75 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: Calling or somebody it was, Uh, maybe it was k 76 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,439 I know, I think it was Kyle Goldface because I 77 00:03:14,479 --> 00:03:16,319 always when I say gold Face, I'm like, who is that? Right? 78 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:16,599 Speaker 2: Kyle? 79 00:03:17,159 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: He brought up that he had someone the same thing, like, 80 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,560 it's a musical, and like every time this movie comes 81 00:03:21,599 --> 00:03:24,360 up in a new conversation, it is like, yeah, and 82 00:03:24,719 --> 00:03:26,560 can you believe they made a musical. It's like, man, 83 00:03:26,599 --> 00:03:29,840 the people really didn't fucking know there were songs. 84 00:03:29,439 --> 00:03:31,159 Speaker 2: In this thing. It's it's crazy. 85 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: Everybody's like, oh my brother, my, you know, sister, like 86 00:03:34,599 --> 00:03:36,759 you said, your workers every time is again they didn't know. 87 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,599 Speaker 2: It's fucking crawng. 88 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,479 Speaker 3: It's it's nuts. He The interesting thing he says is 89 00:03:41,479 --> 00:03:43,719 that if you were to skip past the musical parts, 90 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,639 it would actually not be that bad of a movie. 91 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,280 Like he thought the actors did a good job. But okay, 92 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,280 well that's one way of putting it. 93 00:03:51,759 --> 00:03:55,479 Speaker 2: But we're just talking acting. I don't agree that's okay. 94 00:03:55,599 --> 00:03:58,719 Speaker 3: I I at its core well, I like Lady Gaga, 95 00:03:58,759 --> 00:04:02,400 and I liked Joaquin Phoenix is acting portrayals of those characters. 96 00:04:02,439 --> 00:04:05,759 I think that, yes, the movie definitely does not have 97 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,800 enough steam. I mean, look at how fast it was 98 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,719 announced coming to be dropping on vod right like they 99 00:04:10,719 --> 00:04:13,479 were just seemingly after it started to bomb, they wander 100 00:04:13,759 --> 00:04:17,560 just kind of put it into the you know, into 101 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,360 the the the box and kind of lock it up 102 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:22,120 thrown in the attic. So I feel like this is 103 00:04:22,199 --> 00:04:25,920 absolutely no strange coincidence here. They want to just get 104 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:31,199 some attention brought onto this this Joker that they I mean, 105 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,240 it could be like they're kind of their saving grace 106 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,079 I guess, to kind of just save this character and 107 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,720 just kind of like bring in some more excitement, because 108 00:04:38,759 --> 00:04:41,000 after after that movie, I don't think you're gonna have 109 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,600 a lot of people thinking like, oh, I'm sick and 110 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:43,800 tired of Joker. I think you can have a lot 111 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,199 of people like, man, I'd really love to see a 112 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:47,240 good Joker, and I know I would. I'd like to 113 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:53,120 see a Joker that's more in line with my God, 114 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,759 thank you, with Ledger's Joker, just that insanity, not not 115 00:04:56,959 --> 00:05:00,560 the Jared Letto one. Or anything like. But it's just 116 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,199 kind of is funny when you think about we kind 117 00:05:02,199 --> 00:05:04,439 of go on this up and down trajectory where we 118 00:05:04,519 --> 00:05:07,480 got your soul Ledger and then we got we got 119 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,680 Jared Leto, and then we go up with Woking Phoenix, 120 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,120 and then we go back down with Woking Phoenix, and 121 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,519 never we go back up with Barry. So it's just 122 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,120 funny how it's this little roller coaster. 123 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna bring that up. 124 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: It's funny that we're in this this like good Joker, 125 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,480 Bad Joker sort of scenario where the audience is very 126 00:05:24,519 --> 00:05:28,279 happy and then they're very unhappy. So it's hopeful. Now 127 00:05:28,319 --> 00:05:30,319 the trajectory should be that Barry would go up. And 128 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,480 I got all the faith in Barry because they got 129 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,560 to be one of the best working actors and Hyrum 130 00:05:35,959 --> 00:05:39,040 Yeah yeah, and I just trust like Reeves, like with 131 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,160 Penguin the Batman, like I I can trust at the 132 00:05:42,199 --> 00:05:44,480 bare minimum, this will be a seven out of ten, 133 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:45,879 you know. I guess at the same time I would 134 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:48,319 have trusted Phoenix and Company. But now, at least with 135 00:05:48,319 --> 00:05:50,120 with Reeves, I got two things right. I got a 136 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,199 three hour movie and then an eight hour show. So 137 00:05:53,199 --> 00:05:55,079 it's like, Okay, there's a lot of proof in the pudding. 138 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 4: So yeah, I I have no notes on this, like 139 00:05:58,079 --> 00:06:00,720 this is a rumor, not an announcement. It's like that 140 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,600 sounds like a fantastic idea because Penguin come out. I 141 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,959 was always kind of like, really, Penguin has a character, 142 00:06:07,079 --> 00:06:08,920 making a show on that and it's been huge, people 143 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,720 love it, receptions there, numbers are there, it seems like, so, yeah, 144 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,600 take an even bigger character. And I don't know if 145 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:17,480 he's a bigger actor, but at least I feel like 146 00:06:17,519 --> 00:06:20,000 you take the prosthetics away, and maybe it's more recognizable 147 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,879 actor when you're just seeing it scrolling through like a 148 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,639 streaming service or whoever you're watching it. So yeah, I 149 00:06:25,639 --> 00:06:28,720 think it's a fantastic idea. It makes a lot of sense. 150 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,519 Curious to see how that one will connect with the 151 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,399 movie because I have to imagine that he's gonna be 152 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:35,319 a much bigger part of that movie than Penguin was 153 00:06:35,319 --> 00:06:38,399 a part of the first Batman. So in terms of like, 154 00:06:38,519 --> 00:06:40,360 is this gonna be required reading, is this gonna be 155 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,480 something you would watch and then you gotta watch the show, 156 00:06:42,519 --> 00:06:44,839 and then you go into the third movie, like, I'm 157 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,560 curious to see how they line that all up, because 158 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,160 it seems like this is gonna be a more influential 159 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,160 character than Penguin, who was definitely more of a a 160 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,240 side piece at the time. But yeah, I think the 161 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,879 show is gonna do really great. I'm I don't know 162 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,439 if there's like if can get really specific. Obviously there's 163 00:07:01,439 --> 00:07:03,519 like superhero fatigue people talk about, is there gonna be 164 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,600 joker fatigue at some point? Like, I feel like we've 165 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,199 got a lot of different Jokers and we still haven't 166 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,079 seen how Barry's gonna play this character. Right, We've got 167 00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:14,360 like one rinky dink little scene. Uh so it's we 168 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,199 don't even know yet. Like tonally, I guess we can 169 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,120 assume based on what the Batman is and how dark. 170 00:07:18,439 --> 00:07:20,439 Speaker 2: We've got the deleted scene too that I'm not sure. 171 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,199 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, sure you get the deated scene. It's for 172 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:25,839 the you know, ten people who have seen have seen that. 173 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:27,680 But yeah, at least there is maybe a little bit 174 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:28,839 more evidence of what he's going to be like. But 175 00:07:28,839 --> 00:07:30,399 I don't think it's that surprising, right, It's like it 176 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,399 very much fits in the vibe with the rest of 177 00:07:32,439 --> 00:07:35,040 the Reeves vibe there, and then the Penguin show, which 178 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,399 I haven't seen yet but I imagine is very similar 179 00:07:37,439 --> 00:07:39,439 in tone and all that. So yeah, I mean, I 180 00:07:39,519 --> 00:07:42,120 think this is gonna be a hit for sure, and 181 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,720 I guess it's not something they've really done before, right, 182 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,319 like a Joker. 183 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:54,839 Speaker 1: TV show, but they never called him Joker. 184 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: It's one of these things where it's like they they 185 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:57,759 called him on that clown. 186 00:07:58,079 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: He is always some rinky like way around it and stuff. 187 00:08:02,199 --> 00:08:04,519 But uh, yeah, like the Point Road, it's gonna be 188 00:08:04,519 --> 00:08:06,800 interesting because like obviously, like with you not watching Penguin, 189 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,199 the way we describe Penguin is how I've always described 190 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,040 Winter Soldier and or sorry Falcon Winter Soldier, where it's 191 00:08:12,079 --> 00:08:14,879 like you can watch it and get a better understanding 192 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,560 of what Sam is gonna be like as Captain America. 193 00:08:17,879 --> 00:08:19,639 Speaker 2: But if you're just a GA member. 194 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: You could just skip it because you see him get 195 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,959 the shield endgame, and then they made a Captain America 196 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,480 when we right, you could just assume, okay, he was 197 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,199 Captain America. That just adds some flavors. So the same 198 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:30,160 thing with Penguin. He's gonna have be more powerful in 199 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:31,920 the Batman and this is just showing that. But if 200 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,320 you just were to watch Batman and Batman two, you 201 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,960 would just assume, like, Okay, a lot of mobsters die, 202 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,440 Batman won, and Penguin rose up. 203 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,039 Speaker 2: Like I don't have to know, you don't have to 204 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:40,759 watch the show. 205 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,879 Speaker 1: It's more character stuff, and especially last episode with them 206 00:08:43,879 --> 00:08:45,679 getting into like my I suppos, but they got like 207 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,000 into Penguin when he was a child, and they added 208 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,120 lots of layers to that character. And what I've always 209 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,240 been fascinated because I don't think Matt Reeves does anything 210 00:08:55,519 --> 00:08:58,000 on accident. When they had asked him about Barry and 211 00:08:58,039 --> 00:09:02,360 what like makes his Joker different, he like like, I'm 212 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:04,480 gonna make it sound like a very just like emo 213 00:09:04,799 --> 00:09:07,559 tryhard type and answer. But he's like, well, when ever 214 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,600 since the Joker has been born, his life's been a 215 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:13,120 joke because like he came out disfigured, so everyone's treated 216 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:15,240 him in a certain way where he kind of had 217 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:18,960 to find this personality just to get through life because 218 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,480 he was just deemed as like an ugly, like monstrosity 219 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,159 person so he was cast out from society and like 220 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:27,960 he said, go find the quote he said an interview, 221 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,240 But when Matt Reeves said all this, I'm like, okay, 222 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,720 he clearly already has the backstory. 223 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,639 Speaker 2: For his Joker. It's not like, oh, let's uh, we're 224 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:36,200 doing a bad fit. 225 00:09:36,279 --> 00:09:38,039 Speaker 1: Let's let's just put Joker in there. People like him, 226 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,879 you know, good cameo. It's like, clearly he and even 227 00:09:40,919 --> 00:09:42,600 said he's like he even told Barry when he got 228 00:09:42,639 --> 00:09:44,679 the role, he said, he sat him down, he said, 229 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:45,080 I want. 230 00:09:44,919 --> 00:09:45,519 Speaker 2: You for this role. 231 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: You may never ever play this character again, but let's 232 00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:51,480 take a shot and see what happens. But I think 233 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,720 the way Reeves speaks, like okay, he knows what his 234 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,080 Joker is, and the way he describes it, I'm like, man, 235 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,240 to get these flashbacks in this show could be it's 236 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:03,039 against it could be heartbreaking, but it's tough because you 237 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,159 don't That's the thing now with Joker is you don't 238 00:10:06,159 --> 00:10:08,120 want to go that route per se because we just 239 00:10:08,159 --> 00:10:09,840 kind of got that with Phoenix in a sense right 240 00:10:09,879 --> 00:10:12,440 where it was the guy cast out from society. 241 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: They showed okay, he became a. 242 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: Psychotic person, but there's a lot of steps that got 243 00:10:16,879 --> 00:10:19,000 him there and he could have got help. That's where 244 00:10:19,039 --> 00:10:20,360 And he's even said it's like how do you make 245 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:22,679 a difference, so's it's tough of like how much you 246 00:10:22,759 --> 00:10:25,360 want to tell And even with this one, like you said, Dylan, 247 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,320 it's like with Penguin, you can easily avoid Batman with 248 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:31,240 this they established in that deleted scene. It is deleted, 249 00:10:31,519 --> 00:10:33,720 but they established that Batman's the one that caught him. 250 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,480 So I feel like, I'm not saying Patson has to 251 00:10:36,519 --> 00:10:39,279 be in the show, but if one required Batman more 252 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,360 than another, I feel like Joker does, like whether even 253 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:45,399 just to tell that story a little bit, Like I 254 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,480 feel like it's it's strange and it's also another thing 255 00:10:49,519 --> 00:10:50,440 that's strange too. 256 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 2: A funny way to think about this is, obviously, I guess, let's. 257 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,919 Speaker 1: Say all the movies are three hours, so we get 258 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,840 nine hours of the Batman. But it's funny like Penguin 259 00:10:58,879 --> 00:11:02,399 already now has more more screen time than Pattison does 260 00:11:02,399 --> 00:11:05,480 and passes Batman, right, But because Penguin is like not Disney, 261 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,879 plus it's HBO like their full hour episodes, you're getting 262 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:12,159 all his backstory on just the Penguin, you know, And 263 00:11:12,159 --> 00:11:13,639 it's gonna be kind of funny to think same thing 264 00:11:13,639 --> 00:11:14,159 with Joker. 265 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 2: But I think why I'm the most fan of this, 266 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:16,960 like one. 267 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I love Joker of course, but like the 268 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,440 two reasons one Barry, I think I just want to 269 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:22,879 see him sink his teeth and to know how you 270 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:26,320 got eight episodes. But because in Batman one he had 271 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,159 a scene and in Batman too, it sounds like he's 272 00:11:28,159 --> 00:11:31,240 gonna be very minor for him to be in Batman three. 273 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:33,000 This I think kind of makes up for that, because 274 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,279 you're like, oh, like, I think for the GA they'll 275 00:11:36,279 --> 00:11:38,600 just do Batman three, Batman on a poster Joker or 276 00:11:38,639 --> 00:11:41,960 poster sold I've said this before. I know people sometimes 277 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,000 that are stick of the Joker. Batman and Joker have 278 00:11:44,039 --> 00:11:45,679 not been to a movie since two thousand and eight. 279 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,200 That's how long it's been, Like I know, because we've 280 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,639 got so many versions, but they've not been on screen. 281 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,399 I'm not counting Justice League because Ben Affleck and Jared 282 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:54,159 Leto didn't. 283 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: Even film together that day. 284 00:11:55,039 --> 00:11:56,879 Speaker 1: They filmed with doubles and they shot that they cut 285 00:11:56,879 --> 00:11:59,960 the scenes together like for them on screen interacting fight 286 00:12:00,639 --> 00:12:03,279 oh eight, Like we're almost on two decades of them 287 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:04,240 being in a movie together. 288 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:05,399 Speaker 2: It's kind of nuts. 289 00:12:05,799 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: So that's where I think there's lots of room for that, 290 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:09,720 and the GA will just go, oh, it's Batman and 291 00:12:09,799 --> 00:12:13,279 Joker perfect. But for me, having a show that builds 292 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,480 up Joker before the finat like the Final Battle and 293 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,159 Matt Reeves is such an I'm to be Batman fanboy. 294 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,320 I love it because the most popular pitch after an 295 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,240 almost like, well, what I really want them to do 296 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,960 is don't touch Joker until the third one. You know 297 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,799 many posts I would see when I was in those 298 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,679 forums back in the day of like save Joker for 299 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,480 the third one and that, Like I just loved the rumor. 300 00:12:32,519 --> 00:12:34,200 It's like, well, the main villain of Batman three is 301 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,519 gonna be the Joker. Like, oh, Matt Reeves was in 302 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,039 those forms. I know it, man, he he He's just 303 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:40,960 like operate and I love it. He operates like a 304 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:44,879 Batman fanboy, Like even watched the movie again. So yeah, 305 00:12:44,879 --> 00:12:48,720 I'm all excited to answer Mario. He asked, why don't 306 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:50,480 they make a Batman show instead of spin off to 307 00:12:50,519 --> 00:12:54,480 Batman without Batman. I think just the easy clear could answers. 308 00:12:54,519 --> 00:12:57,600 Batman is a billion dollar property and obviously the bat 309 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,720 the Batman didn't do that, but just overall so I 310 00:12:59,759 --> 00:13:02,279 feel like I think they and I agree to extent 311 00:13:02,759 --> 00:13:05,399 that if Batman, if they just a show called The Batman, 312 00:13:06,039 --> 00:13:08,320 I think, now all that money that they make, all 313 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,720 those movies kind of maybe disappears, or that amount disappears, right, 314 00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:15,080 I think. And I think that's even the reason worry 315 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,000 why he might not be in Penguin and Joker. They 316 00:13:17,039 --> 00:13:20,000 might worry, like Batman still has never been on TV 317 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,919 live action really like there's been a little hints of it, 318 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,519 but like in Smallville, they weren't allowed to use him. 319 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,480 In Titans, he was very shadowed, like they keep Batman 320 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,960 very like cloaked away. Even in Gotham he didn't get 321 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,799 the suit to the very the last Shaw that shows 322 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,879 him the suit and then the show ends, you know, 323 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:38,799 like it's that that's what they do. They they don't 324 00:13:38,799 --> 00:13:41,039 want Batman on TV, but I think they're just worried 325 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,039 that if they put him on TV, people. 326 00:13:42,799 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 4: Won't pay for him, you know, so interesting not trying 327 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,080 to devalue him. 328 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 2: Yes, essentially a. 329 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 4: Little fear there. 330 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see, we got a couple here, uh, and 331 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,600 now we'll get Sabrina Carpenter on the soundtrack. 332 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 2: I hope not. 333 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: I saw a lot of people being like, oh, they're 334 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,879 gonna cast Or as a harle Now, I don't think 335 00:14:00,879 --> 00:14:03,320 we need to go that route. Let's I think Carley 336 00:14:03,399 --> 00:14:06,519 and him can stay apart for a while and we'll see, right. Yeah, 337 00:14:06,519 --> 00:14:10,360 they called him Jerome on Gotham, and then there was Jeremiah, 338 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,159 his twin brother, who also became a Joker type of character. 339 00:14:14,039 --> 00:14:16,720 Sam says, Barry puts one hundred and ten percent and 340 00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:19,080 everything he does, I just can't see his version being 341 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:20,639 anything other than amazing. 342 00:14:20,879 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 2: I agree there, and especially I feel pre salt Burn. 343 00:14:24,919 --> 00:14:27,159 Speaker 1: This show maybe has a little less juice. But after 344 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,240 salt Burn and I'm sure some other things will come out. 345 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,159 I feel like just even, like you said, Dylan, like 346 00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:34,159 even he looks a bit more like Barry, Like, I 347 00:14:34,159 --> 00:14:35,000 feel like people. 348 00:14:34,759 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: Will be more excited because oh it's. 349 00:14:36,519 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: Barry, and I think he's starting to build up that 350 00:14:40,399 --> 00:14:42,240 profile being a star and everything. 351 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,559 Speaker 2: So yeah, no, I'm excited. I hope this happens. I 352 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:46,039 can't wait. 353 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,799 Speaker 1: I want Selena because I didn't know if Joker was 354 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,440 on the table, And this kind of tracks to At 355 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,120 one point, Reees was working on like an Arkham Asylum 356 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:54,639 show just like the Ray and the Star Wars trilogy. 357 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,240 I could see you kind of folding those two together 358 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,600 of like, hey, what I was doing with Arkham stuff, 359 00:14:59,639 --> 00:15:01,919 let's put that in The Joker Show. And they did, 360 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,080 Like that's a highlight of that show is there's one episode, 361 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,399 Dylan where they do go to Arkham and it's a 362 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,440 it's mighty fine. It's a very scary place, so but yeah, 363 00:15:09,639 --> 00:15:11,039 we'll see what happens there. So