Speaker 1: Today rumor came up from like a sea tier and
then a C plus tier, so it started cooking firing
up a little bit off. See Mario, I saw you
asking earlier, so we're going to talk about this. Now
you had a question, so we'll answer that. But this
week is the Penguin Finale, so make sure you go
and watch that. Today, I once again was watching The
Batman them like because I'm just obsessed with that movie
and just score. But it did make me realize, Man,
I need to get some better blinds where I live
because I couldn't see fucking shit.
Speaker 2: I was happy.
Speaker 1: I've been telling Emily for the whole time I lived
here that we need better blinds to Oh it's fine Batman.
It's like I can't see pass and I know he's
there because I can hear him grunting, but I can't
see shit.
Speaker 2: But today there is a.
Speaker 1: Rumor that the next show, because Matt Reeves confirmed their
Doom Moore shows, the next show is supposed we can
be starring Barry Kyogan as the Joker. It is rumored
to be taking place in between Batman two and three.
The rumors scuttle Bud is right now that he will
have a small role in Batman two, so I had
hope it would be bigger than Batman one, but imagine
it's probably at least that size, and then he's supposed
to be the villain of Batman three. So thirty first
Offuly Penguin, Like, there's been lots of good buzz on it,
lots of people saying it's, you know, top tier, it's
in that top echelon of combook shows.
Speaker 2: How would you feel if.
Speaker 1: Joker was next on the band wagon Because obviously big character,
great actor, but you know, we just had a bomb movie,
so I think it's a little bit different because it's
different iterations, but still it's maybe not a runaway hit.
Maybe are people in two years gonna be like, oh fuck,
like another Joker thing? Like do I need this? But
what's what's your read on this? If we were to
get an eight episode Joker show out of the Penguin.
Speaker 3: I think that's you just took towards my mouth and
you said it then and there. I think that's why
we're getting this news on Joker and give me be
getting a project because of that movie, fullyogia and I
think that they want to now kind of cast it
into the fire. They want to turn it around, and
I think they destroy it, destroy exactly. I think they
really want to just put a new spotlight on on
there right now. And of course you have Penguin that's
just an absolute banger of a show, best one of
the best shows this year, if not the best show.
So I think that if you have that kind of
team and the momentum, throw that on a Joker and
then get some get some light ship onto that character
a little bit more, because yet people are not people
aren't big on the movie. Get some light shed onto
that character.
Speaker 2: That's what I heard.
Speaker 4: Shed Are you saying light shed light?
Speaker 1: Yeah, shed on shedd Yeah, I heard I heard light ship.
Speaker 2: I hope not.
Speaker 3: I hope not. There's like there's there's some older people
at my work that don't strike me as like the
like the like consistent like go to movies. But yeah,
but they I hear I not that I'm eavesdropping, but
I'm kind of eavesdropping because either.
Speaker 2: Drop but long ten years.
Speaker 3: So they're talking about Joker too, and that that they're saying, like, oh,
I just found that was it was a musical. I
was watching it was like it was a fucking musical
y and so we.
Speaker 2: Talked about in the discord.
Speaker 1: Because I can't remember who I apologize who brought this
up in the discord.
Speaker 2: I can't remember if it was.
Speaker 1: Calling or somebody it was, Uh, maybe it was k
I know, I think it was Kyle Goldface because I
always when I say gold Face, I'm like, who is that? Right?
Speaker 2: Kyle?
Speaker 1: He brought up that he had someone the same thing, like,
it's a musical, and like every time this movie comes
up in a new conversation, it is like, yeah, and
can you believe they made a musical. It's like, man,
the people really didn't fucking know there were songs.
Speaker 2: In this thing. It's it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Everybody's like, oh my brother, my, you know, sister, like
you said, your workers every time is again they didn't know.
Speaker 2: It's fucking crawng.
Speaker 3: It's it's nuts. He The interesting thing he says is
that if you were to skip past the musical parts,
it would actually not be that bad of a movie.
Like he thought the actors did a good job. But okay,
well that's one way of putting it.
Speaker 2: But we're just talking acting. I don't agree that's okay.
Speaker 3: I I at its core well, I like Lady Gaga,
and I liked Joaquin Phoenix is acting portrayals of those characters.
I think that, yes, the movie definitely does not have
enough steam. I mean, look at how fast it was
announced coming to be dropping on vod right like they
were just seemingly after it started to bomb, they wander
just kind of put it into the you know, into
the the the box and kind of lock it up
thrown in the attic. So I feel like this is
absolutely no strange coincidence here. They want to just get
some attention brought onto this this Joker that they I mean,
it could be like they're kind of their saving grace
I guess, to kind of just save this character and
just kind of like bring in some more excitement, because
after after that movie, I don't think you're gonna have
a lot of people thinking like, oh, I'm sick and
tired of Joker. I think you can have a lot
of people like, man, I'd really love to see a
good Joker, and I know I would. I'd like to
see a Joker that's more in line with my God,
thank you, with Ledger's Joker, just that insanity, not not
the Jared Letto one. Or anything like. But it's just
kind of is funny when you think about we kind
of go on this up and down trajectory where we
got your soul Ledger and then we got we got
Jared Leto, and then we go up with Woking Phoenix,
and then we go back down with Woking Phoenix, and
never we go back up with Barry. So it's just
funny how it's this little roller coaster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna bring that up.
Speaker 1: It's funny that we're in this this like good Joker,
Bad Joker sort of scenario where the audience is very
happy and then they're very unhappy. So it's hopeful. Now
the trajectory should be that Barry would go up. And
I got all the faith in Barry because they got
to be one of the best working actors and Hyrum
Yeah yeah, and I just trust like Reeves, like with
Penguin the Batman, like I I can trust at the
bare minimum, this will be a seven out of ten,
you know. I guess at the same time I would
have trusted Phoenix and Company. But now, at least with
with Reeves, I got two things right. I got a
three hour movie and then an eight hour show. So
it's like, Okay, there's a lot of proof in the pudding.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I I have no notes on this, like
this is a rumor, not an announcement. It's like that
sounds like a fantastic idea because Penguin come out. I
was always kind of like, really, Penguin has a character,
making a show on that and it's been huge, people
love it, receptions there, numbers are there, it seems like, so, yeah,
take an even bigger character. And I don't know if
he's a bigger actor, but at least I feel like
you take the prosthetics away, and maybe it's more recognizable
actor when you're just seeing it scrolling through like a
streaming service or whoever you're watching it. So yeah, I
think it's a fantastic idea. It makes a lot of sense.
Curious to see how that one will connect with the
movie because I have to imagine that he's gonna be
a much bigger part of that movie than Penguin was
a part of the first Batman. So in terms of like,
is this gonna be required reading, is this gonna be
something you would watch and then you gotta watch the show,
and then you go into the third movie, like, I'm
curious to see how they line that all up, because
it seems like this is gonna be a more influential
character than Penguin, who was definitely more of a a
side piece at the time. But yeah, I think the
show is gonna do really great. I'm I don't know
if there's like if can get really specific. Obviously there's
like superhero fatigue people talk about, is there gonna be
joker fatigue at some point? Like, I feel like we've
got a lot of different Jokers and we still haven't
seen how Barry's gonna play this character. Right, We've got
like one rinky dink little scene. Uh so it's we
don't even know yet. Like tonally, I guess we can
assume based on what the Batman is and how dark.
Speaker 2: We've got the deleted scene too that I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, sure you get the deated scene. It's for
the you know, ten people who have seen have seen that.
But yeah, at least there is maybe a little bit
more evidence of what he's going to be like. But
I don't think it's that surprising, right, It's like it
very much fits in the vibe with the rest of
the Reeves vibe there, and then the Penguin show, which
I haven't seen yet but I imagine is very similar
in tone and all that. So yeah, I mean, I
think this is gonna be a hit for sure, and
I guess it's not something they've really done before, right,
like a Joker.
Speaker 1: TV show, but they never called him Joker.
Speaker 2: It's one of these things where it's like they they
called him on that clown.
Speaker 1: He is always some rinky like way around it and stuff.
But uh, yeah, like the Point Road, it's gonna be
interesting because like obviously, like with you not watching Penguin,
the way we describe Penguin is how I've always described
Winter Soldier and or sorry Falcon Winter Soldier, where it's
like you can watch it and get a better understanding
of what Sam is gonna be like as Captain America.
Speaker 2: But if you're just a GA member.
Speaker 1: You could just skip it because you see him get
the shield endgame, and then they made a Captain America
when we right, you could just assume, okay, he was
Captain America. That just adds some flavors. So the same
thing with Penguin. He's gonna have be more powerful in
the Batman and this is just showing that. But if
you just were to watch Batman and Batman two, you
would just assume, like, Okay, a lot of mobsters die,
Batman won, and Penguin rose up.
Speaker 2: Like I don't have to know, you don't have to
watch the show.
Speaker 1: It's more character stuff, and especially last episode with them
getting into like my I suppos, but they got like
into Penguin when he was a child, and they added
lots of layers to that character. And what I've always
been fascinated because I don't think Matt Reeves does anything
on accident. When they had asked him about Barry and
what like makes his Joker different, he like like, I'm
gonna make it sound like a very just like emo
tryhard type and answer. But he's like, well, when ever
since the Joker has been born, his life's been a
joke because like he came out disfigured, so everyone's treated
him in a certain way where he kind of had
to find this personality just to get through life because
he was just deemed as like an ugly, like monstrosity
person so he was cast out from society and like
he said, go find the quote he said an interview,
But when Matt Reeves said all this, I'm like, okay,
he clearly already has the backstory.
Speaker 2: For his Joker. It's not like, oh, let's uh, we're
doing a bad fit.
Speaker 1: Let's let's just put Joker in there. People like him,
you know, good cameo. It's like, clearly he and even
said he's like he even told Barry when he got
the role, he said, he sat him down, he said,
I want.
Speaker 2: You for this role.
Speaker 1: You may never ever play this character again, but let's
take a shot and see what happens. But I think
the way Reeves speaks, like okay, he knows what his
Joker is, and the way he describes it, I'm like, man,
to get these flashbacks in this show could be it's
against it could be heartbreaking, but it's tough because you
don't That's the thing now with Joker is you don't
want to go that route per se because we just
kind of got that with Phoenix in a sense right
where it was the guy cast out from society.
Speaker 2: They showed okay, he became a.
Speaker 1: Psychotic person, but there's a lot of steps that got
him there and he could have got help. That's where
And he's even said it's like how do you make
a difference, so's it's tough of like how much you
want to tell And even with this one, like you said, Dylan,
it's like with Penguin, you can easily avoid Batman with
this they established in that deleted scene. It is deleted,
but they established that Batman's the one that caught him.
So I feel like, I'm not saying Patson has to
be in the show, but if one required Batman more
than another, I feel like Joker does, like whether even
just to tell that story a little bit, Like I
feel like it's it's strange and it's also another thing
that's strange too.
Speaker 2: A funny way to think about this is, obviously, I guess, let's.
Speaker 1: Say all the movies are three hours, so we get
nine hours of the Batman. But it's funny like Penguin
already now has more more screen time than Pattison does
and passes Batman, right, But because Penguin is like not Disney,
plus it's HBO like their full hour episodes, you're getting
all his backstory on just the Penguin, you know, And
it's gonna be kind of funny to think same thing
with Joker.
Speaker 2: But I think why I'm the most fan of this,
like one.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I love Joker of course, but like the
two reasons one Barry, I think I just want to
see him sink his teeth and to know how you
got eight episodes. But because in Batman one he had
a scene and in Batman too, it sounds like he's
gonna be very minor for him to be in Batman three.
This I think kind of makes up for that, because
you're like, oh, like, I think for the GA they'll
just do Batman three, Batman on a poster Joker or
poster sold I've said this before. I know people sometimes
that are stick of the Joker. Batman and Joker have
not been to a movie since two thousand and eight.
That's how long it's been, Like I know, because we've
got so many versions, but they've not been on screen.
I'm not counting Justice League because Ben Affleck and Jared
Leto didn't.
Speaker 2: Even film together that day.
Speaker 1: They filmed with doubles and they shot that they cut
the scenes together like for them on screen interacting fight
oh eight, Like we're almost on two decades of them
being in a movie together.
Speaker 2: It's kind of nuts.
Speaker 1: So that's where I think there's lots of room for that,
and the GA will just go, oh, it's Batman and
Joker perfect. But for me, having a show that builds
up Joker before the finat like the Final Battle and
Matt Reeves is such an I'm to be Batman fanboy.
I love it because the most popular pitch after an
almost like, well, what I really want them to do
is don't touch Joker until the third one. You know
many posts I would see when I was in those
forums back in the day of like save Joker for
the third one and that, Like I just loved the rumor.
It's like, well, the main villain of Batman three is
gonna be the Joker. Like, oh, Matt Reeves was in
those forms. I know it, man, he he He's just
like operate and I love it. He operates like a
Batman fanboy, Like even watched the movie again. So yeah,
I'm all excited to answer Mario. He asked, why don't
they make a Batman show instead of spin off to
Batman without Batman. I think just the easy clear could answers.
Batman is a billion dollar property and obviously the bat
the Batman didn't do that, but just overall so I
feel like I think they and I agree to extent
that if Batman, if they just a show called The Batman,
I think, now all that money that they make, all
those movies kind of maybe disappears, or that amount disappears, right,
I think. And I think that's even the reason worry
why he might not be in Penguin and Joker. They
might worry, like Batman still has never been on TV
live action really like there's been a little hints of it,
but like in Smallville, they weren't allowed to use him.
In Titans, he was very shadowed, like they keep Batman
very like cloaked away. Even in Gotham he didn't get
the suit to the very the last Shaw that shows
him the suit and then the show ends, you know,
like it's that that's what they do. They they don't
want Batman on TV, but I think they're just worried
that if they put him on TV, people.
Speaker 4: Won't pay for him, you know, so interesting not trying
to devalue him.
Speaker 2: Yes, essentially a.
Speaker 4: Little fear there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see, we got a couple here, uh, and
now we'll get Sabrina Carpenter on the soundtrack.
Speaker 2: I hope not.
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of people being like, oh, they're
gonna cast Or as a harle Now, I don't think
we need to go that route. Let's I think Carley
and him can stay apart for a while and we'll see, right. Yeah,
they called him Jerome on Gotham, and then there was Jeremiah,
his twin brother, who also became a Joker type of character.
Sam says, Barry puts one hundred and ten percent and
everything he does, I just can't see his version being
anything other than amazing.
Speaker 2: I agree there, and especially I feel pre salt Burn.
Speaker 1: This show maybe has a little less juice. But after
salt Burn and I'm sure some other things will come out.
I feel like just even, like you said, Dylan, like
even he looks a bit more like Barry, Like, I
feel like people.
Speaker 2: Will be more excited because oh it's.
Speaker 1: Barry, and I think he's starting to build up that
profile being a star and everything.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, I'm excited. I hope this happens. I
can't wait.
Speaker 1: I want Selena because I didn't know if Joker was
on the table, And this kind of tracks to At
one point, Reees was working on like an Arkham Asylum
show just like the Ray and the Star Wars trilogy.
I could see you kind of folding those two together
of like, hey, what I was doing with Arkham stuff,
let's put that in The Joker Show. And they did,
Like that's a highlight of that show is there's one episode,
Dylan where they do go to Arkham and it's a
it's mighty fine. It's a very scary place, so but yeah,
we'll see what happens there. So