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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time.

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Speaker 2: This is Big Fight Weekend.

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Speaker 1: Now here is your host, DJ Williams.

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Speaker 3: All Right, special edition as promised off the Big Fight

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Weekend preview podcast. Yes, it's Jake Paul and former unified

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heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua. Whatever ridicule that everybody has had,

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this is apparently happening Friday night in Miami, Florida, and

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we're in on another special edition of the preview. Rafael

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and I have already kind of broken this fight down

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off off the weekend on the Fight Preaching Night recap pod.

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Now this is a I keep saying, special conversation that

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I'm gonna have with the boxing writer. Hello, David Payne,

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the boxing writer in England. Boxing Writer dot co UK

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is his website. He also helps us out with Big

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Fight Weekend dot com, also with Roundtables Sports. A man

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of many written talents. Good to have you on the

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preview pot David Payne.

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Speaker 4: It's great to be here a long time. I'll see TJ. Yeah,

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great to be back on a Big Fight Weekend podcast,

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usually to talk about a great fighting prospect, but of

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course this is something of a carnival, but we will

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enjoy Dice say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're here for the carnival, and carnival is a

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good way to describe Ricky Caroll trying to corral the

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rest of us at Big Fight Weekend dot com. He's

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the managing editor, he's the lead writer. How are you

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my friend? As we head to Jake Paul and Anthony Joshua,

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never mind the snickering, It's apparently gonna happen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah apparently, so yeah, yeah, let's see what happens. Let's

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see if they both make it into the ring. I'm

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very much the same as Tony Bell you. I saw

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him do an interview earlier and he said I'm not

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going to believe it until they both get into the ring.

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Speaker 2: I think so yeah, I'm pretty much to say.

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Speaker 1: They got some interest.

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Speaker 3: Interesting cinneament All right, so David, you're you're there in

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England and obviously you've kept up and followed with Anthony

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Joshua's entire existence as heavyweight champion unified heavyweight champion on

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two occasions. What what is the the interest? What is

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the buzz in England?

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Speaker 1: In the UK?

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Speaker 3: What are you sinse on the television, on the internet,

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the papers, et cetera. Are are they beginning to be

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interested in this, if at all.

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Speaker 4: I think there is interest. There is definitely interest TJ.

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What that speaks to, I'm not sure. But in terms

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of the casual sometimes boxing fans that you encounter in

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football crowds and in canteens and cafes and so on

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and so forth in the pubs, they are talking about it,

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that they're having the same rise smiles that we're having

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about it, that Joshua should walk straight through him, et cetera,

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et cetera. But obviously there's there's the usual selection of

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conspiracy theories floating around too, that there may be some

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contractual scripting going on to some degree, And there's obviously

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the little murmur that amongst those of watched Joshua over

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the thirteen years that he isn't what he was and

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who knows, But that's a very small percentage of the

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cohort that are interested in the fight. The overwhelming consensus

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is of course, that josh Wall do the business. But

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there's definitely interest, there's definitely recognition, there's definitely awareness that

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this fight's come in. Obviously, the Netflix platform is huge

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in that, and I think that that will escalate as

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the days pass. And we get towards that weekend with

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the secondary caveat that our good friend Ricky mentions about

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whether they actually step between the rings. I know there's

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some skepticism about that yet too.

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Speaker 3: No doubt, and we are doing this early in the

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fight week, so Ricky pick up on that again. You're

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from England, you go back and forth, You've been in

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other parts of Europe? Is there buzz where you are?

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they care about this in Europe? I'm curious?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think when it was Jake Paul against Tyson, I

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couldn't believe the amount of people that had never ever

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spoke to me about boxing that were asking me questions.

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had a few people reach out to me and ask

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for my opinion, and I think it's it's all down

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to what Joshua has got left.

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Speaker 2: I think, what does he have left? How much damage?

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Speaker 5: As the a visceration as you like to call it,

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Speaker 5: Every time he got hit jab anything he looked like

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he was going to go over. Now, obviously he's not

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fighting Daniel Dubar this time. He's fighting Jake Paul, Who's

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who's a novice cruise away. And I don't think I'm

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doing him a disservice there. He's a novice cruise away.

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So yeah, it's all what he's got left. But there's

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definitely a buzz. Like David said, I think there's still

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some doubt, like I said, that the that actually happens.

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I think I saw somewhere he broke his nose in sparring.

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I'm still not convinced. Although I was thinking I hadn't

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heard a lot from Joshua in the build up. I

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think he's been quite quiet. He did do an interview

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with TMZ Sports about a week ago where he seemed

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quite focused. Some of the questions were amazing. To be honest,

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he did. I did watch their face to face earlier today.

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he seemed locked in Joshua. He seemed ready.

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was done in and around the time of the press

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conference back two or three weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's a recent thing that they're releasing.

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Speaker 5: I mean, no, no, I think they've just done that.

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I think they've just done it to kind of kickoff

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fight week.

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Speaker 1: I think so, David, David, you wanted to get in here.

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Speaker 3: I know, isn't isn't there a real concern about Joshua

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from an injury standpoint that we haven't addressed because he

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had to have elbow surgery earlier this year. In regard

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to the time off as well.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's just it's picking the two strands

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are interesting. It's picking up the point Ricky's making about

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what has he got left, which seemed ludicrous, as you mentioned,

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talking about a novice Cruiserway who's barely beaten a professional

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fighter of note, of any note, or even a professional

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fighter really well. I think the injury is obviously was

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a factor, but at the time it was back in

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May and it was estimated he'd be out of service

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for six or eight weeks. We're now eight months on

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from that. I don't see how that's a factor. We

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never heard anything of any problems, although he didn't end

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up boxing inside except August September, as was widely anticipated

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if he was going to fight. But I think the

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bigger thing, the bigger benefit for Joshua for this, apart

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from the additional name recognition that he will get through

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the Netflix platform and new audience, etc. Will be just

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walking through the PTSD of what he went through the

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last time. He thought this is like a bonus edition

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on that front. Isn't it that he can walk, do

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the small bit of pre fire, he can do the

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way in, he can do some moving around, You can

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go through that kind of mentality thing, find out where

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he feels he is, even though the risk is virtually zero,

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and he can do the walk to the ring, and

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he can do all that stuff. And because the last

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time out was I can't even I attempt to say the

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word that you described it as. I had obliteration written

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down here, very similar terminology. But yes, he was rendered

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very tentative. And if you cast your minds back to

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one or two other occasions when Joshua has had a

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nightmare night, I ei the realist fight. He had to

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go through quite a lot of trauma to come back

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through the rematch. He was as tentative as hell, hanging

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on for dear life, scared to death of getting hit again.

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about it. So I think this unequivocally gives him an

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option of earning an awful lot of money. And if

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it feels terrible and it doesn't feel right, isn't probably

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the same amount of money you would have earned from

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a February or March fight against a contender, And he

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can walk away and if he feels good, he's shaken

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off some of those demons, thrown some dust sheets over

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some of those demons in his house of ghosts, and

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you can move on to a more meaningful fight in

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the spring, or as I know you mentioned t Jane

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previous podcast with Dan, why amss around with that? Why

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not go straight into the fury fight? And I suppose

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it kind of opens up that possibility that at least

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he's gone through the motions of a move around and

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a bit of gym work and a bit of the

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kind of pr around a fight. So I think it's

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more about that to me, that's the added benefit for him,

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more than maybe the elbow surgery, which I don't anticipate

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being an issue.

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Speaker 3: Love David Pain's insight. The boxing writer Ricky Carroll also

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here from Big Fight Weekend dot Com. Ricky picked back

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up on is there is there much to be worried

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about with an elbow injury in addition to about a

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fifteen month layoff from the end of twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: No, I think I agree with David.

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Speaker 5: I don't think in terms of the elbow surgery, I

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think he's had long enough now. I think he's an

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opportunity to pick up a fairly sizable paycheck.

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be pretty decent, you know.

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Speaker 5: I think if he's got anything left of what he's

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like he did against the Ghanu. I kind of see

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it going a similar sort of way if he's got

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if he's still around that kind of level, or even

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slightly less than that, to be honest, just feeling him

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out for a couple of rounds, sort of sizing him

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up and then just hitting him with that big right hand.

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Speaker 3: On that point, he was aggressive though against ghan who

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in the first round and knocked him down.

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Speaker 5: Ricky, he was, but he was quite patient. I thought

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as well. I didn't think he was. I didn't think

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he was quite calculated. So I don't think he's going

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to go in there and start throwing.

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walk straight up to him as soon as the bell

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goes and knock him out in like ten seconds. I

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don't see that happening. I think he's gonna feel him out.

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so there's gonna be a little bit of ring roused.

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Area want to get his distance, You'll want to get comfortable,

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have a bit of a move around, and then I'll

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just see him just smashing him with that right hand.

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Speaker 4: I think. I think that's entirely plausible that he just

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sort of has a look for three minutes just to

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because he may have to chase him. I mean, it

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may be that Jake Paul's skitting around the edge of

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the ring. Who knows that. I don't imagine Jake Paul

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is going to come walking straightforward. Perhaps you will, I

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doubt it. I still have to stop myself and hear

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myself say these words that Jake Paul and Anthony Joshua

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are going to be in the same rings, because I

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don't think Jake Paul would be a British cruiserweight champion.

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I think there's probably Halvard doesn't light heavyweights in Great

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Britain that would obliterate him in three rounds. And we're

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talking about Anthony Joshua at six foot, six hundred and

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forty five pounds, as he will be a former Olympic champion,

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two time everyweight champing, who's thirty six years old. He's

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not young. There's some miles on the clock, there's some

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debris in his background, there's some baggage going into the fight,

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but goodness me, he's fine YouTuber who's trained for three

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or four years and has looked terrified when Tommy Fury

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thought he might thought about throwing a punch, which is

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only a couple of years ago. I mean, it's a

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remarkable story that he's pulled this off from a commercial.

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Speaker 3: Point, sure to that point, well to that point, he

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has leveraged this, we like to say in the United States,

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leverage it to the hilt, or leverage it to the maximum.

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He has leveraged it with the Tyson paydays. He's leveraged

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it even in other fights where he was taking minimal

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risk to still get millions of dollars out of those.

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And this will be the biggest financial windfall of them

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all for Jake Paul and even for Anthony Joshua. He's

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going to get a massive payday out of this. But clearly,

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anybody that looks at this with any objectivity, he hasn't

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been in with any kind of a fighter that's remotely

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as talented or skilled, much less as big. Let's pick

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up on that this is the biggest guy by far

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that he will have been in with, and that makes

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it almost even more silly to contemplate that Jake Paul

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might win. The thing is that you're in with a

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much bigger, hard punching guy. What about that point, David

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Speaker 4: Well, there's like a slightly there's even a nuance in

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that which is very very obvious. I know that he's

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just massively bigger man. But the thing of it is,

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two twenty and I think Joshua's got some stipulation he

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manicuring really for him to get down to two farther.

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I think it's irrelevant. But Joshua's been this size since

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he was twenty years old. This is something that Jake

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the scales will have a similar sort of number. But

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hundred and fifty pounds virtually since the Olympics. I mean,

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a man, and Paul is just trying to get bulk

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but he's not in the same stratosphere for size.

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to matter on Friday.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, when you look at as soon as you look

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at them in each other up and facing off at

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the press conference, it was almost comical. He's so much

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bigger than him, and I just think it's, like I said,

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it just goes back for me. It just centers around

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what Joshua has got left, if there's a desire there,

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if there's enough punt resistan there, because he's probably gonna act.

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I think he'll hit him. I think he hit him.

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Jake's gonna hit him, but he should. He's got no

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writes at all. It's almost laughable. Like David said, it

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really is. I have to keep pinching myself. That is

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something that we're even talking about. But it is still

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quite intrigued, and it's still quite triguing.

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that's against me or not.

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Speaker 3: Because this because we love this sport so and the

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people that are listening to us live that love and

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live the sport and enjoy the sport, and the sport

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is just different because there is intrigue, there's the danger

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of one punch that can change everything around it. It's

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just different. It's different, and that's what we're in part.

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as you guys call it, who's gonna get clipped?

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Speaker 4: And it's and it's totally different. But the only kind

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of thing that you can point to in recent memory

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is Tyson Fury is sitting on the floor looking up

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at Francis, and they were more comparable in size. Francis

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and Ghana was a combat specialist, but when he sat

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on the floor looking up at him, none of us

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could believe that happened. And I guess that's that's as

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close as an approximation as I can find. I mean,

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when Floyd Patterson fought Peter Adamaker in fifty seven, Radamaker

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making his debut straight out of the Olympics, that's the

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nearest thing. But that's an insult to Radomaker was an

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Olympic Olympic medalist and he was bigger than Floyd Patterson,

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but he put Patterson down once tight. So but that's stretching.

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The comparison to anarexic is there is no comparison. This

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is a one off. I cannot conjure of another thing

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that's remotely like this, and surely common sense as to

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prove it.

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Speaker 3: And in Ghanu is a big guy, and so you

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could understand that. And that's what your point is about.

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Jake Paul who was fighting at one hundred and ninety

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pounds in the last fight, and I was there in

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June against Chavez Junior, puffing himself up.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 3: A few more moments left a lot of discussion about

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the Tyson Fury Turkey Alaishik says it's gonna happen in

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twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: So how does that factor in in your mind? Ricky

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go first?

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Speaker 3: How does that factor in here added pressure for Joshua

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or do you don't you think it means absolutely nothing

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additional for him with Jake Paul, that that's looming out there,

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that a possible it's been kicked around, a possible one

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hundred million dollar pay day each. I don't know how

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realistic that is, but that's what's looming out there. Is

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that a factor for Friday night for Anthony Joshua.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 5: I It's like I said again, is if he's got

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what it seems like he's got left, if he's got

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anything of his old ability left, he should walk through Paul.

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Speaker 2: I don't think.

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Speaker 5: But I did see an interview with Fury, I'm surely

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it will shit it of it online earlier today and

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someone asked him about the fight and he said, I

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thought it was going to happen this year and it

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didn't happen. I thought it was going to happen on

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this year as well, and it didn't happen this year

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and this year and this year. And he said, to

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be honest, I don't know if it's going to happen.

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I don't think that's going to be a factor at all.

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Speaker 3: No, David, is it much of a subplot the Fury

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fight hanging out there for this thing Friday night or

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not a big deal.

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Speaker 4: I think what this does is gives an amazing opportunity

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for Joshua to smash someone in front of a massive

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audience than to talk about Tyson Fury in the aftermath.

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Whether that's officially on the network, Netflix platform or not,

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the arena. All things are possible. As we said right

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at the beginning, this is a carnival and anything's possible.

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I just see this is a massive publicity exercise, a

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bonus for Joshua is a massive payday without risk. And

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he walks, as I say, through some of that PTSD

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from the Dubois demolition that he suffered. So I hope

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he actually fights again before he fights Fury because I'd

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like that to be a really competitive fight. I know

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that goes counter to your view, TJ, but I'd like

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to see him in with someone in the top ten

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in February March and see what he's got, because on

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the evidence of the last one, he hasn't got a

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lot left. It will be a bit of a it

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will be a bit with command and fight. Both of

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them have lost.

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Speaker 3: I will put it this way because we already saw

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Deontay Wilder take the loss on the Saudi card when

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the match had been made by Turkey alask with Anthony Joshua.

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There are a few guarantees in life. I will guarantee

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you this. If Anthony Joshua is what we think he's

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going to be Friday Night and wins, and wins convincingly,

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let's even say he's not fighting anybody else before he

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gets in the ring with Fury to take the risk,

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I see zero chance of that.

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Speaker 1: That's just me. I see zero chance of taking any

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other risks.

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Speaker 3: Go fight Fury after that, and if Fury fights another

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tune up or whatever on his own.

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Speaker 1: That's a risk too for him, But stay tune on that.

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Speaker 3: Final thoughts anything else, Ricky Carroll Final thought here before

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we do this. I know there's still some skepticism earlier

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in the week if we do this, But if we

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are doing this Friday night at the Cassea Arena, which

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is the downtown Miami Arena, if we are doing this,

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final thought on Jake Paul and Anthony Joshua here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a third round knockout, massive right hand.

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I think everyone's talking about how amazing aj is and

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like David said, I think everyone will start talking about

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the Fury fight a little bit more after that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, third round knockout.

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Speaker 3: Third round knockout prediction from him, David Paine. Final thoughts

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do I get to pick out of you, mister boxing writer.

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Speaker 4: I think a little quicker than that. It may get

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to the third round, but if Joshua was still punching

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him in the fourth, the world's upside down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But the one final thing I'd like to add slightly

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takes his off topic, but on this Jake Paul Joshua card,

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what a tremendous platform for all those female fires that

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are on the Incline Dubois now added, it's not everybody's

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favorite thing to watch, but there are some good fights

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on that nd car with some good female fighters, and

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Jake Paul needs some acknowledgement for what he's given here.

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He's given a Netflix platform to women fires and that

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should be huge for them.

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Speaker 3: Amanda Serrano is one of those, one of the first

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ones that attached with his promotion back three years ago,

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and he made a commitment we are going to build

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up the brand of women's boxing and pay them what.

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Speaker 1: They are worth.

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Speaker 3: And you're seeing that with all the fighters that have

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They're going to be showcased on the undercard. But everybody

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is turning, is going to tune in to see what,

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as I joked with Raphael, whatever this is, and how

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long it goes again he folded you love my terminology,

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He folded in Ganu in half in the middle of

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the second round. It may not go that long, stay tuned,

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and then the longer it goes, the more the suspicions

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arise if it does go longer. But we're all going

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to tune in to find out. Netflix on Friday Night

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again Ricky, keep up the great job with managing the

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site Big Fight Weekend dot com.

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Speaker 1: I love having you on the pod. We'll do that again.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks having me.

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Speaker 1: Love it.

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Speaker 3: David Payne, you do great work. Boxing writer dot co

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dot uk is his site. Find him on Big Fight Weekend,

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find him on Roundtable Sports is boxing coverage, Roundtable's boxing

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site as well anything else.

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Speaker 1: David Payin. Good to have you as always. Let's see

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what happens Friday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great to be back on the Big Fight

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Weekend podcast. Yeah. Great to tell to you both and

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look forward to it Friday for whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: Let's see what happens on Friday again. Keep it locked

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in here on the podfeed for more of the coverage.

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Rayfield and I back with a preview later in the

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week on the pod. Ricky's writing it up on Big

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Fight Weekend dot Com. David Payne will write a word

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or two about this. I have a feeling on his

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site on Roundtable Sports etc. Thank you, gentlemen, great stuff.

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Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: There they go, Ricky, Carol and David Payne.

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Speaker 3: I'm merely TJ Reeves follow Subscribe, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify. Where

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we've been previewing for a little bit Here once more

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the Jake Paul Anthony Joshuall fight coming Friday Night. Here

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on the Big Fight we can preview pot