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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau, I'm Dan Pfeiffer.

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<v Speaker 2>On today's show, Donald Trump's had some major accomplishment on affordability,

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<v Speaker 2>as only he knows how by canceling it. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about why and why the President is fighting again with

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans in Congress. We'll also talk about Zoron Mamdani's House

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<v Speaker 2>candidates going three for three in New York's primaries on

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<v Speaker 2>Tuesday and why that's causing some Democrats to panic and

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans to smile. We'll do a quick check in on

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<v Speaker 2>JD Vance's charm offensive and whether it's winning over his wife.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Gina Inojosa, the Democrat running to be governor

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<v Speaker 2>of Texas, stops by to talk about her race against

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<v Speaker 2>let's get to the news. Donald Trump made some real

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<v Speaker 2>progress this week trying to sabotage his Republican majority in Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>Minutes before he was scheduled to appear at a signing

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<v Speaker 2>ceremony for a landmark housing affordability bill that passed with

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<v Speaker 2>huge bipart some majorities, the President announced that it was

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<v Speaker 2>canceled and that he won't be signing the housing legislation

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<v Speaker 2>until Congress passes the Save Act which is the bill

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<v Speaker 2>that would require all Americans to show passports or birth

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<v Speaker 2>certificates in order to register to vote, and has failed

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<v Speaker 2>to pass in the Senate five times now. The housing

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<v Speaker 2>bill would reduce barriers to building new homes and limit

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<v Speaker 2>the ability of big investors to buy up single family homes,

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<v Speaker 2>ideally lowering the price of housing down the road. But

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<v Speaker 2>alas Trump doesn't want to give anyone the impression that

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<v Speaker 2>he and his party are focused for even a second

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<v Speaker 2>on affordability, so no housing bill this week. Trump elaborated

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<v Speaker 2>on his thinking in an Oval Office appearance a little

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<v Speaker 2>later in the day. Let's listen.

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<v Speaker 4>Basically, it's the Save America Act. Everybody wants it. Everybody is,

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<v Speaker 4>including Democrats. I'd set them on signing the housing bill.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to see what happens. We say, Look, the

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<v Speaker 4>housing bill is, how's it? I made billions of dollars

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<v Speaker 4>with housing. I know housing better than anybody maybe anywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>It's all about the interest rate. Lower the interest rates.

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<v Speaker 4>You can have all the housing you want. You have

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<v Speaker 4>to understand I don't want to have I don't want

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<v Speaker 4>to hurt people that own houses too. Affordability. We're doing great.

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<v Speaker 4>The Democrats gave us a tremendous affordability problem, and we're

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<v Speaker 4>reducing prices.

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<v Speaker 2>Over I'm a billionaire. I made a fortune on housing,

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<v Speaker 2>and we got to keep We got to help other

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<v Speaker 2>people who already own homes.

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<v Speaker 3>Take it from me, successful slum lord on how to

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<v Speaker 3>deal with housing prices.

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<v Speaker 2>So, considering that the housing bill will become law in

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<v Speaker 2>ten days even without Trump's signature, and that if he

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<v Speaker 2>does decide to veto it, Congress has the numbers to

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<v Speaker 2>override a veto. What was Trump thinking when he decided

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<v Speaker 2>to do this? What's the what's going on here? Dan?

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<v Speaker 3>You know there's been this debate over the years. Trump

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<v Speaker 3>is crazy. You're crazy like a fox. This is just crazy. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>just put yourself in the position of Republicans, right, you're

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<v Speaker 3>a vulnerable Republican. You're like a Susan Collins or a

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<v Speaker 3>Dan Sullivan, or you're one of these Republicans like Mike

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<v Speaker 3>Lawler in a purple district. You wake up on Wednesday morning,

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<v Speaker 3>here's what your day looks like. Democrats in the middle

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<v Speaker 3>of a giant fight because we've elected some socialists in

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<v Speaker 3>New York City that you're about to have a signing

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<v Speaker 3>ceremony for a massive bipartisan bill that would they would

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<v Speaker 3>be signed by Donald Trump, but written in part by

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<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth Warren that will address housing prices. It'd be a real,

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<v Speaker 3>actual tangible accomplishment. You could take the voters to say, like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to do something to deal with your cost

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<v Speaker 3>of living crisis. And instead of that, Donald Trump, just

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<v Speaker 3>minutes Beforehandson's had an insane truth demand cancer in the

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<v Speaker 3>signing ceremony, stopping on both the democrats bad message the

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<v Speaker 3>Republican's good message, because he has a near fatal attraction

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<v Speaker 3>to a bill that no one likes and if it

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<v Speaker 3>were to pass, we make it harder for Republicans wh

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<v Speaker 2>It is, it is wild, and that he just keeps.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, let's just talk about the Save America Act,

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<v Speaker 2>which he has called it. It was the Save Act,

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<v Speaker 2>then he changed it to the Save America Act. It's

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<v Speaker 2>also supposed to like ban mail in voting nationwide. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's part of it too, or that's like one

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<v Speaker 2>of the add ons that he included himself. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know why he's so, I mean, I know why

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<v Speaker 2>because he thinks that like it's going to help them

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<v Speaker 2>rig the elections and win. But it is wild to

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<v Speaker 2>me that no one has told him, None of his

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<v Speaker 2>political advisors have told him that actually, this bill would

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<v Speaker 2>probably hurt Republicans because it would make it harder for

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<v Speaker 2>the lower income Americans, much of many of whom vote

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<v Speaker 2>for Donald Trump and vote for Republicans now to register

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<v Speaker 2>to vote because not everyone has their passport, lying around,

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<v Speaker 2>not everyone has their birth certificate, lying around. Republicans run

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<v Speaker 2>around saying that this is only about like showing your

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<v Speaker 2>license and showing some form of ID, and isn't that

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<v Speaker 2>easy to do? And that's not actually what the bill does.

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<v Speaker 2>The bill is much more comp makes The bill makes

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<v Speaker 2>voting and registering to vote much more complicated than that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it.

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<v Speaker 3>Would end in under current form basically end online voter

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<v Speaker 3>registration and automatic voter registration. We've talked about this before.

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<v Speaker 3>Not that many Americans have majority Americans do not have passports.

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<v Speaker 3>The ones who don't have passports are just unfortunately working

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<v Speaker 3>class and didn't go to college, which has been the

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<v Speaker 3>core of the Trump base. But it is like I

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<v Speaker 3>just so, there's there's a bunch of different things going

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<v Speaker 3>on here. It can't pass, right they tried several times.

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<v Speaker 3>It cannot pass there, it doesn't have the there are

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<v Speaker 3>sixty votes, obviously, and there run fifty votes to eliminate

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<v Speaker 3>the filibuster. And then even if it were to pass,

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<v Speaker 3>it would be bad for Republicans. And at no point

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<v Speaker 3>in these various junctures does Trump seem to understate like

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<v Speaker 3>it's just it's like, it's true, it's delusional. The whole

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<v Speaker 3>thing is ilutionial. And it seems his upset with this

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<v Speaker 3>seems genuine. He seems to. Maybe it's because it's something

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<v Speaker 3>he wants it he can't get. That's what bothers him,

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<v Speaker 3>because he like, up until this point with this Republican Caucus,

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<v Speaker 3>he's been with the exception of the E. Fsteine files,

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<v Speaker 3>what he has wanted he has got. You want to

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<v Speaker 3>confirm a bunch of fucking dunderheads to be in charge

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<v Speaker 3>of the military and health, the human services, will do that.

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<v Speaker 3>You want to us to stand idly by while we

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<v Speaker 3>prosecute people, will do that. But here's the thing he

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<v Speaker 3>wants and he cannot have, and it seems to be

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<v Speaker 3>driving him even more bananas than usual.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think that all all these things he wants

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<v Speaker 2>to do with voting in the election. He is being

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<v Speaker 2>told or has been also told by the courts that

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<v Speaker 2>he can't do via executive order, but you can tell

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<v Speaker 2>that if he doesn't get the same back pass, he's

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<v Speaker 2>still going to try to do a lot of this

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<v Speaker 2>shit around the election, which should alarm everyone. Of course.

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<v Speaker 2>On the housing bill, though, like the thing is going

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<v Speaker 2>to become law. In fact, right before we started recording,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Johnson said that they will be transmit he talked

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<v Speaker 2>to Trump and that they will be trans admitting the

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<v Speaker 2>legislation to Trump. So I assume, although I shouldn't assume,

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<v Speaker 2>but seems seems like he might just sign it after all.

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<v Speaker 2>But even if he doesn't, it becomes law. Like great,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's good legislation. His opportunity to take credit for

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<v Speaker 2>it is sort of gone now. And it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>people are going to feel the effects of this housing bill,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly not by the midterms, maybe not for a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years, because really it's just sort of reducing barriers

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<v Speaker 2>to building more affordable housing and sort of changing some

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<v Speaker 2>of the formulas where the federal government gives money to states,

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<v Speaker 2>and now it's going to be based on you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whether they've actually produced more housing and built more housing

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<v Speaker 2>so they can still take credit for it. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think Trump's going to be taking credit for it.

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<v Speaker 3>But even then, so the when you like, we should,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll get into this. But as we know, a bill

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<v Speaker 3>that does not actually impact people's lives has limited political impact.

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<v Speaker 3>But the moment when people pay attention is the signing

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<v Speaker 3>ceremony ten days from today Thursday is the fourth of

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<v Speaker 3>July weekend. It seems like a bad time to get

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<v Speaker 3>attention for your bill.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. Also, he apparently the Wallsrey Journal has him saying, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump saying to someone one of his advisors at my rallies,

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<v Speaker 2>no one cares about the housing bill at my rallies.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I say save America, then every they can't

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<v Speaker 2>sit down. And then apparently punch Bowl has four sources

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<v Speaker 2>saying that that Trump said to Mike Johnson directly, no

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<v Speaker 2>one gives a shit about housing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I remember he said that. He said that a

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<v Speaker 3>few months ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Like literally, like affordability is the top issue. And then

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<v Speaker 2>when you dive into affordability, like sometimes it's groceries and gas,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes it's housing, but housing is I think it's like

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<v Speaker 2>one of the maybe the top two or three concerns

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<v Speaker 2>of most American voters.

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<v Speaker 3>And particularly younger voters. Like this shows up in focus groups.

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<v Speaker 3>It shows it like, yes, is it true that people

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<v Speaker 3>here is a thing I a bipartisan accomplishment I had

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<v Speaker 3>And Trump is just making that messier for Republicans because

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<v Speaker 3>he can't. He's having some sort of insane temper tantrum

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<v Speaker 2>After canceling the bill signing, Trump did attend his previously

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<v Speaker 2>and berated Republicans for not supporting him on an iron vote,

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<v Speaker 2>which then led to a shouting match with Bill Cassidy,

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<v Speaker 2>who Trump recently drove from office. CNN reports that Trump

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<v Speaker 2>told Cassidy to sit down Cassidy refused and raised his voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump called him a lunatic. Cassidy then referred to Trump

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<v Speaker 2>as brother, and Trump told him he wasn't his brother.

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually sat down. John Kennedy later said that the meeting

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<v Speaker 2>was a success because quote no one got stabbed, which

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<v Speaker 2>is an excellent bar to set. Trump also apparently isn't

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<v Speaker 2>done trying to force Republicans to eat shit on Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>The administration just ask Congress for eighty eight billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>in funding, which would mostly help pay for the war.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you think that's going to go over, Dan?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, before we get to the war funding in this

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<v Speaker 3>meeting and the punch bowl reporting on it and punch

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<v Speaker 3>Bawl generally gets like a full live texting of these

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<v Speaker 3>sorts of things. It seems like no one pushed back

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<v Speaker 3>on Trump on the Save Act even though every Republican center,

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<v Speaker 3>no it can't pass. None of them would say it

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<v Speaker 3>to Trump's face, which is why they're in this mess

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<v Speaker 3>to begin with, which is like a pure sign of

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<v Speaker 3>weakness and failure from John Thune. Yeah, like you have

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<v Speaker 3>him in the room. This is the big you can't

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<v Speaker 3>pass anything the House. It's why we should mention Trump's

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<v Speaker 3>got to run so chened up on this that Anna

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<v Speaker 3>Pauline A Luna has stopped will not allow anything to

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<v Speaker 3>pass on the House floor until the Senate passes the

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<v Speaker 3>same deck, which is something that it doesn't make a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of constitutional sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Shot.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it's like they can't pass the rule, they

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<v Speaker 3>can't pass anything. They're trying to pass through appropriation bills

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<v Speaker 3>the entire they they have to go home on Friday

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<v Speaker 3>because they can't do anything. And uh, and she's demanding

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<v Speaker 3>that they attach the Save Act to either the FAISA

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<v Speaker 3>Bill or the Defense Authorization Bill, which the Senate will

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<v Speaker 3>then take out in both those cases. But so the

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<v Speaker 3>whole thing is, you have Trump has got to win

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<v Speaker 3>chin up about this. No one will, but no one

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<v Speaker 3>will say to his face why this can't work. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's one thing for his like terrible slavish, obsequious advisors

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<v Speaker 3>to not say it. But here are members of Congress,

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<v Speaker 3>senators who are not up for reelection this year, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>some of them are not up for reelection ever again,

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<v Speaker 3>who are incapable of mustering the courage to say to

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<v Speaker 3>one man a simple math fact.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like they could have even they could have

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<v Speaker 2>even talked beforehand and said, all right, I'm gonna bring

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<v Speaker 2>it up, but back me up if I do strength

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<v Speaker 2>and numbers still nothing still like Bill Cassidy, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>got up and yelled at him about the Iran war powers.

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<v Speaker 2>Vote yeah, and then and then changed his vote because

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<v Speaker 2>because the White House afterwards like gave him a briefing

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<v Speaker 2>that he wanted and he and then he was like

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<v Speaker 2>felt sad that he raised his voice. I'm like, the

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<v Speaker 2>guy cost you your job. You're not gonna be a

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<v Speaker 2>senator anymore because of this man, for for the for

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<v Speaker 2>for I guess voting for impeachment the second time. Apparently

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<v Speaker 2>Trump in the meeting too, is like all the people

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<v Speaker 2>that voted for my impeachment, voted to convict me, are

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<v Speaker 2>gone now. And then like he looked over at Lisa Murkowski,

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<v Speaker 2>who was just like sitting there in the corner. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>accept her. Unbelievable, do sus A Collins Iff have for that? Uh? Oh? Interesting?

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<v Speaker 2>Did she vote for the second she had to vote

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<v Speaker 2>for the second impeachment? Maybe he may.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe look in fairness, we have barely covered the main

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<v Speaker 3>Senate race this year. So probably.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Susan Collins got smart and just didn't go to

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<v Speaker 2>the lunch, you know that she probably didn't go the Like,

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<v Speaker 2>if I were Susan Collins, I would stay clear of

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<v Speaker 2>any anywhere where John Donald Trump was, Like, that would

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<v Speaker 2>just be that's got to be a base, like a

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<v Speaker 2>campaign one oh one kind of thing. Yes, So here's

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<v Speaker 2>the thing now with this Trump and the GOP Congress,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wondering, like how much all this matters because not

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<v Speaker 2>many actual work days left between now and the midterms.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to go home for the fourth of July break,

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to come back. There's going to be August recess,

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<v Speaker 2>then they come back, then everyone's campaigning, and then it's

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<v Speaker 2>November before you know it. Trump seems intent on sabotaging

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<v Speaker 2>any chance of anything passing before election day. I see it.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems hard to believe that this eighty eight billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollar war funding supplemental is going to pass, even though

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<v Speaker 2>they thought they were really clever and included some abola

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<v Speaker 2>funding in it to try to like get Democrats to

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<v Speaker 2>vote for it. It doesn't seem like anything else, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't seem like the same America Act is going to pass.

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<v Speaker 2>But then the question is, like does any of that matter?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you like in terms of the politics of

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<v Speaker 2>the midterms.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an interesting question because I don't think there's any

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<v Speaker 3>sort of bill, even this housing bill Republics could pass

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<v Speaker 3>that would dramatically change the political dynamics here. Look, I

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<v Speaker 3>think if you're an incumbent member of Congress and you

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<v Speaker 3>can pass something that addresses people's number one concern and

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<v Speaker 3>you can talk about that on the trail or in

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<v Speaker 3>a debate or in an ad that's better than nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>And so this is an opportunity cost for the way

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<v Speaker 3>Trump stepped on the housing bill. What I think probably

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<v Speaker 3>matters here is they're going to need to pass this

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<v Speaker 3>supplemental which is politically toxic. You know in that CBS poll,

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<v Speaker 3>sixty nine percent that people think the war hasn't been

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<v Speaker 3>worth the cost. We haven't even paid the eighty billion

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<v Speaker 3>dollars yet, so when you start paying the eight a

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<v Speaker 3>billion dollars, number is going to get worse. And so

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<v Speaker 3>they need and it's it'll be on reconciliation, So they

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<v Speaker 3>need fifty votes. And in our old world we used

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<v Speaker 3>to be like, well, Susan Collins doesn't have to vote

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<v Speaker 3>for it, and she'll be fine. But now you got

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of other Republican senators. You have Dan Sullivan,

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<v Speaker 3>you have John Houstad. You got a bunch of people

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<v Speaker 3>who are gonna have to probably cast a vote here

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<v Speaker 3>and that's gonna be unpopular. You need everyone to do

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<v Speaker 3>it because you're gonna you'll probably get Fetterman. I guess,

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<v Speaker 3>so maybe you can lose three Republicans. Yeah, but that'll

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<v Speaker 3>be it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good. Also, there's also a government funding deadline. By

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<v Speaker 2>the way, I was going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Bring that up too, is that that's the real that's

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<v Speaker 3>looming here right before the election.

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<v Speaker 2>It's looming. We got a Loomer.

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<v Speaker 3>We're already looming. It's over the June.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's September thirtieth. There's a government funding deadline. So

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<v Speaker 2>you got that. You got this war funding supplemental nothing

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<v Speaker 2>that anyone wants to pass, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>If I was Donald Trump and I cared passionate about

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<v Speaker 3>election integrity, one thing I would do is demand that

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<v Speaker 3>I would suggest that I wouldn't sign a government funding

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<v Speaker 3>bill unless they include unless they passed the Save Act

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just an idea, just an idea, I'm sure. But

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<v Speaker 3>does it make it to his ears.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that's already on a notepad somewhere Dan or

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<v Speaker 2>whiteboard in the White House for sure, No, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other the other challenge here is I think

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<v Speaker 2>they thought that this eighty eight billion dollar war funding

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<v Speaker 2>supplemental would like they waited until after they thought the

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<v Speaker 2>war was over, and then so they could sell it

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<v Speaker 2>as like, oh, this is just backfilling, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>now we just it's for future conflicts and now our

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<v Speaker 2>military is depleted and we need and what are you

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<v Speaker 2>going to do now? You know? Except the war doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>seem to be over. There was another tanker that was

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<v Speaker 2>attacked by an Iranian drone. Today it does not seem

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<v Speaker 2>like the traffic. The traffic has increased through the Strait,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is not anywhere near back to normal levels.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe, like the Chevron is saying the gas prices

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<v Speaker 2>will be elevated for a while, Trump's flipping out about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he's promising to go after price gouging gas companies

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<v Speaker 2>or open like a DOJ investigation, which, as we know

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<v Speaker 2>from the Bide administration works so well we tried.

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<v Speaker 3>We tried that newbom of years us too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it never works, but you say it any and

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<v Speaker 2>so he's going to have to deal with that. Gas

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<v Speaker 2>prices are going to be still high and so when

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<v Speaker 2>So that's going to make the eighty eight billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>look even worse to voters.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, I mean it's it's terrible. Honestly, it's

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<v Speaker 3>probably would have been better to do it when the

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<v Speaker 3>war was going on, so you could make it be

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<v Speaker 3>about protecting the troops. And instead it's just it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>here's the bill has come due for this unfun thing

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<v Speaker 3>that no one wanted and everyone hated.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and uh and by the way, we're we've cut

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<v Speaker 2>all your medicaid too and everything else in the government.

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<v Speaker 2>So good luck with that.

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<v Speaker 3>But we do we do have money for ballrooms and algae,

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<v Speaker 3>the world algae. I mean we as what's we're some

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<v Speaker 3>better for the world algae.

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<v Speaker 2>It really does make you think, like when these Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>hit the trail in the fall, like they don't have

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<v Speaker 2>much to say except that democrats are as our next topic,

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats are all crazy socialists, Like I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>else they can say about themselves and what they've done

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<v Speaker 2>in Congress. I don't really imagine anyone talking about this

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<v Speaker 2>housing bill, because, like you said, if the housing bill

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't really had any effect on housing prices, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think that's gonna and very well with people.

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<v Speaker 3>They're gonna they will do, and it's not gonna work,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's gonna be pretty pitophon and it is like

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<v Speaker 3>tax provisions and the big beautiful builthy no tax on tips,

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<v Speaker 3>the Social Security stuff, tax cuts middle class, which will

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<v Speaker 3>then allow every Democrat to point out that most of

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<v Speaker 3>the tax cuts went to billionaires and corporations, and that

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<v Speaker 3>we are paying for those tax cuts for billiness corporations

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<v Speaker 3>by cutting healthcare, food assistants, closing rural hospitals, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, before we get too excited about what that midterm

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<v Speaker 2>might look like, let's talk about what's going on on

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<v Speaker 2>the Democratic side. Speaking speaking of inter party turmoil, we

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<v Speaker 2>got some fresh drama brewing thanks to the good people

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<v Speaker 2>of New York City who had quite a primary on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 2>a slate of three candidates endorsed by Zorn Mamdani won

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<v Speaker 2>their Democratic primaries in deep blue House districts. In the

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<v Speaker 2>seventh district, Democratic socialist Claire Valdez won the open seat

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<v Speaker 2>over a pretty progressive opponent endorsed by the retiring Democratic

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<v Speaker 2>member of Congress. In the tenth district, progressive City Comptroller

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<v Speaker 2>Brad Lander defeated incumbent Dan Goldman in a race that

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<v Speaker 2>was largely about Israel. Both men are Jewish. Lander ran

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<v Speaker 2>as a self proclaimed liberal Zionist, but hit Goldman on

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<v Speaker 2>voting against legislation to block military aid to Israel and

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<v Speaker 2>taking money from pro Israel lobbying groups. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest upset of the night, in another race that was

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<v Speaker 2>largely about Israel, four term Representative Adriano Espiat, head of

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<v Speaker 2>the Congressional Hispanic Caucus and the first undocumented immigrant to

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<v Speaker 2>serve in Congress, lost his Harlem Bronx district in an

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<v Speaker 2>upset to a leftist community organizer named Daria Eliza Avila Chevalier,

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<v Speaker 2>a Democratic socialist who also believes in abolishing prisons, police

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<v Speaker 2>and all deportations. Now, there were plenty of other primaries

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<v Speaker 2>in New York and elsewhere on Tuesday, where mainstream and

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<v Speaker 2>moderate Democrats not only one but in some cases fended

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<v Speaker 2>off more progressive challengers. But to give everyone a flavor

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<v Speaker 2>of how the DSA victories are landing in the world

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<v Speaker 2>of politics, here are reactions from James Carville, Zoron Mamdani

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<v Speaker 2>and Hickeem Jeffries.

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<v Speaker 6>And Everybody's always said, no, no, we're coalition. We're a

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<v Speaker 6>big camp and there's some there's just some ship that

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<v Speaker 6>I can't be in the same camp with. Let's negotiate

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<v Speaker 6>to terms of ASCHUSM. Yeah, maybe we can, we can

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<v Speaker 6>part under some kind of advantageous turns for both of us.

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<v Speaker 6>But I'm done. I'm not in that political party.

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<v Speaker 7>What is the Democratic Party if not its voters? And

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<v Speaker 7>what we saw yesterday evening were Democrats across the city

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<v Speaker 7>turning out and voting for a new kind of politics.

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<v Speaker 6>You can't you can't think this is uh, this is

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<v Speaker 6>a positive development in New York politics?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you?

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<v Speaker 3>And all they'll just you know, Dems will be Dems

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<v Speaker 3>or something like that.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see how you can say that.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, you need to reject.

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<v Speaker 3>You need to reject those things, I think all.

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<v Speaker 8>First of all, I've clearly rejected those things. That's number one,

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<v Speaker 8>number two, and my record speaks for itself. This is

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<v Speaker 8>not a DEMS will be DEM's uh situation. Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 8>is the president of the United States of America right now,

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<v Speaker 8>are you kidding me? I'm happy to talk about primary

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<v Speaker 8>elections in one of the bluest cities in the country.

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<v Speaker 8>At the end of the day, listen off, focus is

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<v Speaker 8>going to be on ending this national nightmare in this

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<v Speaker 8>country that America is suffering.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, your reaction to the results, and then we can

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<v Speaker 2>do the reaction to the freak out. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>you wrote a wonderful message box about this today, so

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<v Speaker 2>thank you. Tell us about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, So let's just start with the elections themselves. No

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<v Speaker 3>one should dismiss this. Like two incumbents losing election on

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<v Speaker 3>the same night is a big deal. Since nineteen forty six,

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<v Speaker 3>so from ninety six to twenty twenty four, more than

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<v Speaker 3>ninety eight percent of incumbents have won renomination. Well in

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<v Speaker 3>the House, so it is in the House. So it

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<v Speaker 3>is like it is very rare for members of Congress

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<v Speaker 3>who lose their primaries. Two losing on one night, one

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<v Speaker 3>of them being the chair of the CHC, and then

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<v Speaker 3>specifically losing to a political novel us with a I

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<v Speaker 3>would say, a colorful history of online posts. But O,

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<v Speaker 3>they just needm to be in vogue this cycle for

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<v Speaker 3>Democrats like that, that's a big deal and we shouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>dismiss it. It is a I would say the Lander

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<v Speaker 3>Goldman race is a little different in the sense that

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<v Speaker 3>Lander is a city wide elected official with high who

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<v Speaker 3>ran from Ayre's high name id and the endorsement in

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<v Speaker 3>full support of the very popular mayor democratic socialist mayor

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<v Speaker 3>of the city. And in each of these races are

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<v Speaker 3>a little different in what drove it. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>the thing we should take away is, like so much

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<v Speaker 3>else that's happening in this country, like this is happening

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<v Speaker 3>when when progressive speed establishment candidates in the second District

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<v Speaker 3>of Maine, in the California race, or in Vegas one

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<v Speaker 3>Graham Plattner forcing uh forcing Janet Mills out of the race,

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<v Speaker 3>like there's a giant warning sign for the democratic establishment

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<v Speaker 3>here where the support of people like Schumer or even

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<v Speaker 3>Akeem Jeffries. It's certainly not an asset in your campaign.

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<v Speaker 3>It may be detriment. It is very clear that the

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<v Speaker 3>groups on the left, Justice, Democrats, Democratics, Social so America,

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<v Speaker 3>our Revolution are out organizing, out fundraising, out working, out

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<v Speaker 3>maneuvering the traditional party institutions. Right. That is happening. They

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<v Speaker 3>have captured the energy. They are being more creative, they'll

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<v Speaker 3>be more strategic, they'll be more aggressive. And if you

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<v Speaker 3>were someone in the democratic establishment, you should be deeply

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<v Speaker 3>concerned about what this says about where the party is,

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<v Speaker 3>what the standing of the party is, what the ability

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<v Speaker 3>of the party infrastructure is to actually win elections. So

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<v Speaker 3>this is a big deal. Now to a Keem Jeffrey's point,

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<v Speaker 3>this is taking place in a city that Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 3>won by thirty eight points and what was a bad

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<v Speaker 3>year for Democrats, right, particularly in a city like New York,

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<v Speaker 3>and so this is a very very very democratic city.

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<v Speaker 3>And all across the country you're seeing, yes, you're seeing

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<v Speaker 3>progressive candidates win, and you're seeing progressive candidates lead, like

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<v Speaker 3>Abdula said, in Michigan according to the most recent poles.

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<v Speaker 3>But you're also seeing moderate candidates in Alaska, North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if it's fat to call shared Brown

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<v Speaker 3>on moderate, but he's certainly not a democratic socialist. He's

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<v Speaker 3>an economic populist. And you saw in New York, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just on that very same day, in like New York seventeen,

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<v Speaker 3>one of the most important districts in the country for

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<v Speaker 3>a democratic balus, you have a more moderate veteran candidate

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<v Speaker 3>win district. That's a Mike Lawler, that's Kate Connolly who

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<v Speaker 3>who won that primary. And so you're seeing it's like

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<v Speaker 3>a there is a mixed picture, but there is in

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<v Speaker 3>all the races, but there is true. It is very

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<v Speaker 3>true that there is an antipathy throughut the establishment. We

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<v Speaker 3>can talk about why that is. There is more energy

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<v Speaker 3>on the left, and there is sort of greater tactical,

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<v Speaker 3>strategic and organizational energy and success among the groups on

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<v Speaker 3>the left.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's all right. I also think it's useful

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<v Speaker 2>to sort of define what the freak out is about,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's even more it's even narrower, I think than

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<v Speaker 2>just like you know, there's there's some progressives winning in

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<v Speaker 2>places and DSA places and moderate even just the three

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<v Speaker 2>races we're talking about here from Tuesday, and we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about three races in three house races, and in one

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<v Speaker 2>of those races, Clarvel does seems like a normal DSA

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<v Speaker 2>candidate in the vein of an AOC or or a

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<v Speaker 2>member of the squad right we talked about Brad Lander.

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<v Speaker 2>Lander is basically like a standard Progressive Democrat.

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<v Speaker 3>The staner in New York City Progressive demisape.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but and also has said, like you know, after

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<v Speaker 2>he won, was like, I want to go help frontline

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<v Speaker 2>members who are out there, and I hope some of

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<v Speaker 2>the moderates come help me. And I've helped moderates before,

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<v Speaker 2>and so like, that's that's Brad Lander. Really. Here, the

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<v Speaker 2>panic is over Darieliza of Vila Chevalier, and I will

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<v Speaker 2>just say she might be the most left wing candidate

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<v Speaker 2>to ever win a Democratic primary in our lifetime. There's

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<v Speaker 2>been a lot of focus on her old tweets, which

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<v Speaker 2>she has deleted and mostly apologized for. I'm fine with that.

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<v Speaker 2>My general position is to give people a chance who

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<v Speaker 2>want to take back something they said or posted. Certainly

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<v Speaker 2>would love to take back things that I've posted. And

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<v Speaker 2>I also think that like some of her tweets have

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<v Speaker 2>been taken out of context and exaggerated. Here's where I

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<v Speaker 2>have a problem. She has not apologized for attending an

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<v Speaker 2>anti Israel rally on October eighth. October eighth, twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>a rally that was condemned by Zoron Mumdani AOC and

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<v Speaker 2>Brad Lander. We were just talking about who actually left

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<v Speaker 2>the DSA because it promoted that rally where attendees chanted

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<v Speaker 2>that Hamasa's resistance was justified the day after October seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>the day after they slaughtered a thousand Israelis, And to

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<v Speaker 2>this day she still defends attending that rally. The other

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<v Speaker 2>problem I have she sat for an interview with the

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<v Speaker 2>New York Editorial Board last week last week where she

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<v Speaker 2>said she's against all deportations, She's for open borders because

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<v Speaker 2>quote bordering is a very modern construct. Actually the borders

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<v Speaker 2>are in our hearts and our minds. She wants to

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<v Speaker 2>abolish prisons and refused to say when asked, she's got

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<v Speaker 2>four different chances on this, refuse to say that a

632
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:34.359
<v Speaker 2>convicted murderer should be sentenced to any jail time at all,

633
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<v Speaker 2>And they kept giving her another chance to like, are

634
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<v Speaker 2>you sure, but what happens to the murderer that just

635
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:45.039
<v Speaker 2>convict it nothing. Now, maybe she turns over a new

636
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.960
<v Speaker 2>leaf in Congress and like her voting record doesn't match

637
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:50.799
<v Speaker 2>some of these more extreme positions. I hope so. But

638
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<v Speaker 2>I think the reason I bring this up is because

639
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<v Speaker 2>when Democrats get questions about this, I think the answer

640
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<v Speaker 2>is easy and important to give, which is that she

641
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<v Speaker 2>currently holds a range of views that go from maronic

642
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<v Speaker 2>to abhorrent, and not only those views not aligned with

643
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:10.880
<v Speaker 2>most Democrats in the country, nearly all democrats in the country,

644
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:18.480
<v Speaker 2>all elected democrats, actually most elected Democratic socialists, But like,

645
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<v Speaker 2>I don't even think they align with like a lot

646
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<v Speaker 2>of the people who probably voted for her, And so

647
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<v Speaker 2>like I think people should just you just got to

648
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<v Speaker 2>say that, And I don't think you lump her. I

649
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<v Speaker 2>think it. I think it does a disservice to the

650
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<v Speaker 2>other progressives and the other even DSA members to pretend

651
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<v Speaker 2>that she is part of this like there's new energy

652
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:41.079
<v Speaker 2>and it's great and whatever, and it's like no, no, no, no, no.

653
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<v Speaker 2>It's one thing to have these views in the past

654
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<v Speaker 2>and be like, you know what I've learned, I've grown

655
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<v Speaker 2>what she said about summer for tweets, But to sit

656
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<v Speaker 2>there a week ago and be like, yeah, no prisons,

657
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<v Speaker 2>no borders, no police.

658
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<v Speaker 3>Here's the thing. Also, who cares well?

659
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<v Speaker 2>Like but I already see people doing the like you know, like, well,

660
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:01.839
<v Speaker 2>we gotta understand the energy. No, no, we gotta understand

661
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:04.119
<v Speaker 2>the energy with a lot of these candidates she is.

662
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<v Speaker 2>That was a mistake and like mom, Donnie endorsing her

663
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<v Speaker 2>also probably a mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean you'll notice that when Berney Sanders did

665
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<v Speaker 3>his congratulatory tweet afterwards, he congratulated Brad Lander and Clara Valdes.

666
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<v Speaker 2>Oh he did, because Bernie's fucking smart. That's why.

667
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, those are the two I those are two

668
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<v Speaker 3>he specifically endorsed. But he did, he did two, not three.

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<v Speaker 3>But also, she's one member of Congress, right right, this

670
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<v Speaker 3>is the voter's picked in two years. Someone's gonna the

671
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<v Speaker 3>opportunity to challenge her. Maybe of Congress and she's a

672
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<v Speaker 3>productive member. Maybe she's not, doesn't But it's it's just.

673
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<v Speaker 2>Like I think I'm not I'm not saying I'm not

674
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<v Speaker 2>saying it's the end of the world. I'm saying that

675
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<v Speaker 2>I actually think it's very easy here. Oh what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>What don't seem like if she is a She is

677
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<v Speaker 2>about to be the biggest celebrity on the right of

678
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<v Speaker 2>all times. She's going to She's already like starring on

679
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<v Speaker 2>Fox in every fucking segment, and it's going to be

680
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<v Speaker 2>like that forever. And you know what, most people when

681
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<v Speaker 2>they hear her, there's tape of her saying all these

682
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:03.159
<v Speaker 2>things last week. When they hear that, they're gonna be like,

683
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<v Speaker 2>this is fucking nuts. And then if they go to

684
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:07.320
<v Speaker 2>Democrats and be like, what do you think and Democrats

685
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:09.079
<v Speaker 2>are like, Ah, it's not a big deal. Everyone's freaking

686
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:12.280
<v Speaker 2>out over nothing, then you would not you would not

687
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:14.719
<v Speaker 2>blame the voter for being like, well, that's weird. Why

688
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:15.960
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't you just say it's crazy.

689
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<v Speaker 3>The Republicans will try to make her a celebrity of

690
00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:19.480
<v Speaker 3>face of the party. I think they're going to really

691
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.000
<v Speaker 3>struggle to pick an unelected member of Congress is to

692
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<v Speaker 3>face of the party. When they have struggled to make

693
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<v Speaker 3>AOC or Nancy Pelosi or someone else to face of

694
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<v Speaker 3>the party, say they let's say, let's say it comes

695
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:29.800
<v Speaker 3>up like his come up, and to make an interview

696
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<v Speaker 3>if you're a member running in a district. Frankly, but

697
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<v Speaker 3>strictly a frontline member in a purple district or a redistrict.

698
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<v Speaker 3>There's nothing, there's no greater gift than the opportunity to

699
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<v Speaker 3>distance yourself from Yes party.

700
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<v Speaker 2>So that's why I said that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think yes, I like for sure, I think that

702
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:50.480
<v Speaker 3>they're the freak out. There's a couple let's try to

703
00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:54.280
<v Speaker 3>like break like the freak out is. It's is not

704
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:56.800
<v Speaker 3>just about her. The freak out's about a few things

705
00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:59.800
<v Speaker 3>that are sort of political and institutional. One of them

706
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:02.880
<v Speaker 3>is there's always this fear that Democrats are going to

707
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:06.639
<v Speaker 3>nominate candidates too liberal to win the general election. That

708
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:09.360
<v Speaker 3>is not a fear here, no, right, these are some

709
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:12.239
<v Speaker 3>of the most democratics the country. They're all going to Congress.

710
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:15.119
<v Speaker 3>So that's and that we are not seeing a situation

711
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<v Speaker 3>where currently we'll see what you know, people are going

712
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:21.639
<v Speaker 3>to have an argument about Maine, about the main Senate,

713
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.360
<v Speaker 3>but that we have not as of yet. For the

714
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:27.039
<v Speaker 3>most part, we have not been the democratic voters, not

715
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:29.519
<v Speaker 3>the institutions, not the not the groups anyone, not the

716
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:33.199
<v Speaker 3>party apparatus. The voters are not picking candidates who may

717
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:35.320
<v Speaker 3>be too liberal to win. The two positive possible exceptions

718
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:39.079
<v Speaker 3>there are Randy Viegas, which is that Digital c picked

719
00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:42.199
<v Speaker 3>a different candidate in that race, and then Matt Dumlup

720
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<v Speaker 3>instead of Baldacci, the son of the former governor in

721
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:47.039
<v Speaker 3>Main second district. We probably were running the Main second

722
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:49.480
<v Speaker 3>district under any scenario, you need a very very good

723
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:51.480
<v Speaker 3>year for that. That's really like only that's.

724
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:54.800
<v Speaker 2>What it's Jared Golden had not retired, right, Jared Jared.

725
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:55.599
<v Speaker 3>Golden is like Joe Manchin.

726
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Right.

727
00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:58.199
<v Speaker 3>The only person who could win that was probably Jared Golden.

728
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<v Speaker 3>The other fear is that this is evidence of like

729
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:05.920
<v Speaker 3>an opera, a Tea Party like moment for the party,

730
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.559
<v Speaker 3>and there are it's it's I think it's a bad

731
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:12.079
<v Speaker 3>comparison because the Tea Party was a very specific thing

732
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:13.719
<v Speaker 3>in time that was about a very specific thing in

733
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:17.880
<v Speaker 3>time that it was largely it was a sort of astroturfed,

734
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:21.639
<v Speaker 3>corporate funded reaction to the election of a black president.

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<v Speaker 3>The But they're like, what you are saying is the

736
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:29.760
<v Speaker 3>party base saying they are done with the establishment, they

737
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:32.679
<v Speaker 3>are done with the leadership. They created skepticism that leader.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's three reasons why that skepticism exists. One

739
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:38.639
<v Speaker 3>of it is and it's different in every race, and

740
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:40.559
<v Speaker 3>it's even different than in some of those races in

741
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:44.960
<v Speaker 3>New York. One is anger that the party has failed

742
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:49.599
<v Speaker 3>to send up to Trump yep. The second is that

743
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:56.400
<v Speaker 3>the party is to capture by corporate interests too, you know, unable,

744
00:37:56.559 --> 00:38:00.840
<v Speaker 3>unwilling to too cowardly to take on on the interests

745
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:04.039
<v Speaker 3>and to advocate for working people right that are are

746
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:06.920
<v Speaker 3>they're not address peoples economic pain. And then the third

747
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.519
<v Speaker 3>reason is Israel and Gasa and that was obviously particularly

748
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:12.480
<v Speaker 3>prominent in the Land or gold Mit race where that

749
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.800
<v Speaker 3>was a primary point of distinction between the two of them.

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<v Speaker 2>And that you like, and.

751
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<v Speaker 3>You you see that in each of the like the knob,

752
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:26.199
<v Speaker 3>the dial turns to different to different levels in each

753
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:29.239
<v Speaker 3>different race around the country. Around those three things, the

754
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:33.800
<v Speaker 3>other question is is the party becoming moving dramatically to

755
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:37.480
<v Speaker 3>the left right? And I think that one is interesting

756
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:41.159
<v Speaker 3>because it is an incontrovertible fact that the party is

757
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:46.920
<v Speaker 3>more liberal than it was ten years ago, like when

758
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:50.280
<v Speaker 3>Obama ran for reelection. In the Gallup polling, forty two

759
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:53.079
<v Speaker 3>percent of Democrats consider themselves liberal or very liberal and

760
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:57.840
<v Speaker 3>thirty six percent considered themselves moderate. Today, North of fifty

761
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.920
<v Speaker 3>four percent consider themselves liberal very liberal, and thirty four

762
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:04.199
<v Speaker 3>percent consider themselves moderate. Now I can do a full

763
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.559
<v Speaker 3>podcast on how that number happens, because the moderate number

764
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:11.360
<v Speaker 3>stays the same and the liberal number goes up. And

765
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:13.840
<v Speaker 3>it's certainly not from conservatives becoming liberals. It's because the

766
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:16.599
<v Speaker 3>conservatives left the party and they're replaced by white college

767
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:19.480
<v Speaker 3>educated liberals who were former Republican voters.

768
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:22.679
<v Speaker 2>But like that is true, but in white college educated

769
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.480
<v Speaker 2>voters and just high educated, highly educated voters in general

770
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:29.480
<v Speaker 2>have just become more specifically become more liberal in their

771
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<v Speaker 2>own view.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and it has led to as the party has

773
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<v Speaker 3>become less working class in its orient in its identity,

774
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:45.000
<v Speaker 3>and frankly its orientation. Cultural issues, social issues, climate change, democracy, immigration, crime,

775
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:49.480
<v Speaker 3>LGBTQ rights have risen in priority for the party, and

776
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:53.000
<v Speaker 3>that has made people identify as more liberal. But it

777
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:56.360
<v Speaker 3>is worth just remembering that the core part of any

778
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<v Speaker 3>successful Democratic coalition is black voter, and black voters remain

779
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<v Speaker 3>more moderate than the party. You see this in it

780
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<v Speaker 3>is really fascinating Pew Political typology stide that came out

781
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<v Speaker 3>last month. It is very clear that black and Latino

782
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:13.559
<v Speaker 3>voters and Asian voters are much more moderate or more moderate.

783
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<v Speaker 3>That wasnting, much more modern, more moderate than the sort

784
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<v Speaker 3>of this activist, more liberal democratic base, particularly particular crime

785
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<v Speaker 3>and immigration, crime and immigration.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the two.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the other question is are Democrats becoming socialists?

788
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<v Speaker 3>And this is also really interesting because you know, there

789
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<v Speaker 3>is this Gallup poll that everyone fixates almost showed that

790
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<v Speaker 3>sixty six percent of registered Democrats have a positive view

791
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<v Speaker 3>of socialism. And then in the New York Times poll

792
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<v Speaker 3>that we've talked at nauseum, about forty nine percent of

793
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<v Speaker 3>Democrats have a Democrats and Democrat leaning independence. It's one

794
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<v Speaker 3>sample have a favorable view of socialism. And interestingly enough,

795
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:55.440
<v Speaker 3>a plurality of every old age cohort, including Democrats over

796
00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:59.480
<v Speaker 3>sixty five, have a favorable view of socialism. Now here's

797
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:01.239
<v Speaker 3>a pop question. You ask Caroline this on Polar Coaster,

798
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<v Speaker 3>but can you guess which group has the highest favorability

799
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<v Speaker 3>of socialism?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see.

801
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<v Speaker 3>Young men, Well, which age cohart it is? It's actually

802
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:16.400
<v Speaker 3>men thirty to forty four? Okay, thirty forty four us

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<v Speaker 3>that's us, right, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not me anymore. If I come fortia, that's true.

805
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:25.639
<v Speaker 3>It was you you just moved in, But it's actually

806
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:29.679
<v Speaker 3>it's millennial. It's millennials more than younger by about nine points. Actually,

807
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<v Speaker 3>it's interesting, which I think is coming of age in

808
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<v Speaker 3>the Great Recession.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and it speaks to sort of the question

810
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<v Speaker 2>that you're raising by these maybe surprising results to some people,

811
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<v Speaker 2>which is, I do think it is more of a

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<v Speaker 2>commentary on capitalism and the failures of capitalism at least

813
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:50.360
<v Speaker 2>how people have felt that in their own lives than

814
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:52.880
<v Speaker 2>a love of socialism or I think if you asked,

815
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:56.119
<v Speaker 2>then I haven't seen a poll that's done this, Like

816
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<v Speaker 2>what do you think of when you think of socialism,

817
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:02.599
<v Speaker 2>They think of like Bernie Sanders and universal health care,

818
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<v Speaker 2>not abolishing prisons.

819
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which is not necessarily a a lot of socialists.

820
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:11.840
<v Speaker 3>Countries had a lot of prisons.

821
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<v Speaker 2>Actually, yes, famously.

822
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<v Speaker 3>So uh so someone and someone had gulags, you would say.

823
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<v Speaker 2>And you know, and you know what, every country has borders.

824
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<v Speaker 2>That's true, every single one.

825
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<v Speaker 3>Both in their in their mind and in reality. So

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say the socialising You hit on the

827
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<v Speaker 3>key point here, which is it's I think it's more

828
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<v Speaker 3>of an indictment of capitalism than socialism, And so I

829
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<v Speaker 3>guess the question is if you're a democrat, like how

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<v Speaker 3>do you react all of this? And like the device

831
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<v Speaker 3>that I've I give, I've been giving cadis other people

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<v Speaker 3>is one.

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<v Speaker 4>You have to.

834
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<v Speaker 3>You have to find a way to separate yourselves from

835
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<v Speaker 3>the established and everyone hates like you can't be a

836
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<v Speaker 3>typical democrat, and you have to understand what makes people

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<v Speaker 3>so mad about it and show that you have a

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<v Speaker 3>solution to it or different from it. The second thing

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<v Speaker 3>is you don't have to embrace socialism, but you sure

840
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<v Speaker 3>is how better understand what is causing people to embrace

841
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<v Speaker 3>socialism and speak to that economic pain. And you got

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<v Speaker 3>to find a way to have some sort of energy

843
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<v Speaker 3>and excitement and authenticity in your in your belief like

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<v Speaker 3>what is like I think? What is I think powering?

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<v Speaker 3>Some of these these not social sinssily, but some socialists,

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<v Speaker 3>some DSA, some more progressive candidates. They are speaking with

847
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<v Speaker 3>authenticity and conviction about issues, whether it's Abdual talking about

848
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<v Speaker 3>medicare for all in Michigan, whether it's platin or talking

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<v Speaker 3>about how the elite system has failed him and filed

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<v Speaker 3>so many manners. It's how Zoron has talked about cost

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<v Speaker 3>of living. It's like there's this authenticity and conviction to

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<v Speaker 3>it that most of the people that you don't get

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<v Speaker 3>from a lot of modern it's not all monitors or

854
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<v Speaker 3>somebody to really do it, but it doesn't show up

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<v Speaker 3>in the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's another There's two more reasons that I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's so much anger at the democratic establishment right now.

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<v Speaker 2>One is we have said for a long time now

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<v Speaker 2>since Iraq that people they don't want to spend money

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<v Speaker 2>on endless foreign wars. They don't want to lose American

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<v Speaker 2>lives and forever wars. They also don't want to spend

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of money because they feel like we spent

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<v Speaker 2>in their right, like billions and billions and trillions of

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<v Speaker 2>dollars on Iraq and other foreign adventures that have not

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<v Speaker 2>worked out. I think that is how most people who

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00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:36.920
<v Speaker 2>are upset with how Biden handled Gaza feel.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It is not Israel has no right to exist, It

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<v Speaker 2>is why is our money being spent or being sent

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<v Speaker 2>to bibing at Yahoo and the Israeli government who have

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<v Speaker 2>just slaughtered thousands and thousands and thousands of people in

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<v Speaker 2>Gaza and are now doing the same in Lebanon, and

873
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:03.960
<v Speaker 2>that feeling cuts across party ideology. It is not fucking horseshoe.

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00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:05.840
<v Speaker 2>It is not like the far left and the far right.

875
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:08.639
<v Speaker 2>Go sit in a focus group, go talk to most voters.

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00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:12.559
<v Speaker 2>Is a very common feeling, and the fact that people

877
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<v Speaker 2>look at the Democratic establishment and don't feel like that

878
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:18.320
<v Speaker 2>they are on or they feel the same way, or

879
00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:20.559
<v Speaker 2>they're acting the same way, is a huge fucking problem.

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00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:24.639
<v Speaker 2>You also said people are mad that the Democratic establishment

881
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:27.639
<v Speaker 2>hasn't stood up Trump enough. I also think Dave Weigel

882
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:31.199
<v Speaker 2>made this point today reported at Semaphore that they're still

883
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:35.239
<v Speaker 2>mad that the Democratic establishment fucking lost to Trump. Yeah again,

884
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:37.960
<v Speaker 2>like that is I know, we're all like we don't

885
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:39.480
<v Speaker 2>want to go back and look back at twenty four

886
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:41.360
<v Speaker 2>and all that kind of stuff, like we lost to

887
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump for the second time after the guy was

888
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:48.239
<v Speaker 2>convicted of crimes and sent an insurrectionist mob to the capitol, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so that's the original.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the people who were in charge there, people aren't

891
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:57.159
<v Speaker 2>going to feel too warm and fuzzy towards them, Like

892
00:45:57.320 --> 00:45:59.199
<v Speaker 2>that is just that is that to me is looming

893
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:02.079
<v Speaker 2>over everything, Like, yes, there's the corporate stuff and the

894
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:05.119
<v Speaker 2>economic like all that is real money and politics establishment two.

895
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:07.840
<v Speaker 2>All of it's real for sure. But like if we

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00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:11.519
<v Speaker 2>had just beaten Donald Trump, then a lot of voters

897
00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:15.800
<v Speaker 2>would not think that. And so that's that's going to

898
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<v Speaker 2>be a big one too.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's something fun. The primary season isn't over yet,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Left is targeting a few other big races

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<v Speaker 2>in places that aren't is Blue as in New York City.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about some of these, but in Colorado, Democratic

967
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:32.159
<v Speaker 2>socialist Melat Kiros is running against Congressman Diana Degett, though

968
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<v Speaker 2>that's also a safe seat even though it's in Colorado.

969
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:39.960
<v Speaker 2>In Wisconsin, DSA State Rep. Francesca Hong is a running

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<v Speaker 2>for governor in a crowded field that includes Lieutenant Governor

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah Rodriguez and Mandela Barnes. And in Michigan, our pal

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<v Speaker 2>Abdul lsa Ed is in a tight Senate primary with

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<v Speaker 2>Mallory McMorrow and Representative Hayley Stevens. So does feel like

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<v Speaker 2>there's a little more at stake in the Wisconsin and

975
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<v Speaker 2>Michigan primaries? What is your read on those?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's it's very hard to play the prospective

977
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<v Speaker 3>electability game, right. The argument here is among some, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not making this argument that Hong and Abdul are

979
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<v Speaker 3>less electable than other candidates on the ballot. And in

980
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:19.320
<v Speaker 3>Wisconsin there's already a movement one of the center left

981
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:22.280
<v Speaker 3>candidates is dropped out and endorsed Rodriguez, and is there's

982
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<v Speaker 3>a movement to try to consolidate the field around Rodriguez.

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<v Speaker 3>I honestly don't know enough about that race to know

984
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<v Speaker 3>for sure that one candidate is more electable than the other.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that's a very hard race, right. It's a

986
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<v Speaker 3>very tough state. Winning a third term in a row

987
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<v Speaker 3>is always challenging for governors. So you know that's gonna

988
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<v Speaker 3>be a tough race. Michigan, the polling is, you know,

989
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<v Speaker 3>Abdula is leading in the polls, Hilly Stevens is in second.

990
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:56.559
<v Speaker 3>The candidate that I have supported, Malol Morrow, is in third.

991
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<v Speaker 3>There have been hypothetical tests against Mike Rogers, who is

992
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<v Speaker 3>a very very good candidate. He lost by just I

993
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:05.480
<v Speaker 3>think about twenty four thousand votes. Soilicis sluckin in twenty

994
00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:09.079
<v Speaker 3>four You know, the polling shows that we've seen shows

995
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<v Speaker 3>maybe McMorrow and Stevens a couple points more, you know,

996
00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:16.000
<v Speaker 3>doing better against Rogers than Abdul. I don't know what

997
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:17.760
<v Speaker 3>to make of that, whether that is real or not.

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00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:20.280
<v Speaker 3>It's not signific It's not a dramatic difference in that.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's it's hard to say a Duelsbviously, a very

1000
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<v Speaker 3>very talented candidate, is very talented communicator. Would he be

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<v Speaker 3>able to navigate the tax that will certainly come to

1002
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<v Speaker 3>him as a as a Bernie endorsed candidate, a Muslim

1003
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<v Speaker 3>candidate who will be attacked for his views on everything

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00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:40.599
<v Speaker 3>in his background. He certainly is talented enough to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to navigate that. But I am not I can't

1006
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:45.480
<v Speaker 3>look at those races and say, if we nominate that,

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00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:49.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, Hong or Abdul, we're certainly going to lose.

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00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:52.000
<v Speaker 3>Like it's it's not that, it's not that clear to me,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's certainly no one has presented evidence to that fact.

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00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's tough. I mean, look, I'm and I'm supporting Abdul.

1011
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:03.400
<v Speaker 2>His friend had a pot on crooked. But you know,

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00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:05.840
<v Speaker 2>I'll be honest like that, that is the race where

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00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:09.960
<v Speaker 2>and again because it's it's less about like I mean,

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00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:11.639
<v Speaker 2>it is about who these candidates are, but it's also

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<v Speaker 2>very much about the environment in the state. And you know,

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00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:18.719
<v Speaker 2>even like Plattner is running in a state that is

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<v Speaker 2>much much more democratic than Michigan. And I do think

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<v Speaker 2>that if if a Bernie endorsed sort of more lefty

1019
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<v Speaker 2>candidate can pull it off in Michigan, I do think

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<v Speaker 2>Abdul can do it. But I think it's gonna be tough,

1021
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:35.679
<v Speaker 2>and like he's going to face all kinds of attacks,

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<v Speaker 2>not just for his ideological position, but many unfair attacks,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, because he's he's musclim So I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's gonna be that's gonna be challenged, I think. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I think with Francesco Wong, same thing. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't I don't know her as well, but I saw

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<v Speaker 2>it like she'd had you know, she'd had some past

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<v Speaker 2>support for or advocated at one point like defund the police,

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<v Speaker 2>and then last week, you know, she had a video

1030
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<v Speaker 2>that said there's no way I'm going to cut public safety,

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<v Speaker 2>and that to me is like, Okay, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like, yes, this is what you need to

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<v Speaker 2>do to win these states. And like if you are

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<v Speaker 2>a further left candidate in a state like Wisconsin, in

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<v Speaker 2>a state like Michigan, I'm not saying like, just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>change all of your fucking positions. You shouldn't do that,

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<v Speaker 2>but you do have to run like you're running a

1038
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<v Speaker 2>general election in a purple state, which you are, and

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<v Speaker 2>know where the voters are and know you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure for Wang and for I know for a duel,

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<v Speaker 2>like the most important issues make a care for all, healthcare,

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00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:38.760
<v Speaker 2>sort of economic populism, and I would imagine that they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to emphasize those above all else and then have

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<v Speaker 2>something to say on some of the attacks that they

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00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:46.119
<v Speaker 2>are going to come their way on crime and immigration

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00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:49.199
<v Speaker 2>and cultural issues. But I don't think that's going to

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00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:51.360
<v Speaker 2>be easy. But I do think like I saw that

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00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:53.440
<v Speaker 2>I saw what Wong had done about there's no way

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00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:55.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to cut public safety. In contrast to that

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00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:58.079
<v Speaker 2>with some of the stuff that we just talked about

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00:53:58.119 --> 00:53:59.559
<v Speaker 2>in New York City and I'm like, see that is

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00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:03.320
<v Speaker 2>that's the difference right there in Mamdani, Right, Mam Donnie campaigned,

1053
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:06.559
<v Speaker 2>has all kinds of past positions, and he has increased

1054
00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:09.280
<v Speaker 2>the police budget since he's been mayor. And guess what,

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00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:10.880
<v Speaker 2>And he's done all of his other stuff that he

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00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:13.039
<v Speaker 2>talked about, right, the rent freeze, I believe is going

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<v Speaker 2>into effect today. He's trying to do all the other

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00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:16.280
<v Speaker 2>stuff and he's wildly popular.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. It is like there when we talked about some

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00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:23.840
<v Speaker 3>of the Tea Party comparison. Here is that in both

1061
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:27.480
<v Speaker 3>the twenty ten and twenty twelve Senate racist the Republicans

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00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:30.000
<v Speaker 3>nominated a bunch of candidates in states they should have won,

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00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:34.920
<v Speaker 3>like Indiana, Missouri, Delaware in twenty ten, where Mike Castle

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00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:38.400
<v Speaker 3>would have walked into the Senate and instead they nominated

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00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:41.480
<v Speaker 3>Christin O'Donnell, who did not walk into the Senate.

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<v Speaker 2>And nor does she fly in on her broomstick, not

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00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:45.400
<v Speaker 2>does she find her.

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00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:50.360
<v Speaker 3>Broomstick Deep County, and is a fifteen year old reference

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<v Speaker 3>to a Senate race.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifteen yeah, okay, sixteen, sixteen years.

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<v Speaker 3>But one of the things the mistakes those candidates may

1072
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.639
<v Speaker 3>it is they also ran terrible racist because they refuse

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<v Speaker 3>to acknowledge the reality of the states in which they

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<v Speaker 3>were running. Yes, and you can be a liberal candidate.

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00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:12.719
<v Speaker 3>You can be more liberal than the electorate and still

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<v Speaker 3>win if you are running a smart, strategic race that

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<v Speaker 3>does acknowledge the realities of what it takes to win

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00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:21.840
<v Speaker 3>in a state like Wisconsin or Michigan.

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<v Speaker 2>It depends on which issues you're more liberal than the

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00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:29.960
<v Speaker 2>electrode on. That's a big way. We use like liberal, conservative, left,

1081
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:31.760
<v Speaker 2>right as just like these catch all terms, But it

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00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:33.639
<v Speaker 2>really depends on what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, that's right, and it's not just issues. It's

1084
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:40.159
<v Speaker 3>obviously things you've said, thinks you've done, who you are,

1085
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:43.559
<v Speaker 3>your cultural connection to people. But yes, you can, like

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00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:46.639
<v Speaker 3>if you were a serious candidate, can win in the

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00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:48.360
<v Speaker 3>right environment running the right campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right. So Tommy talked to Maggie Haberman and

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<v Speaker 2>Jonathan Swan this week about their new Trump book, Regime Change.

1090
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Go listen to that interview if you haven't already. It's great.

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00:55:57.519 --> 00:55:59.840
<v Speaker 2>But one of the more incredible anecdotes in the book

1092
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:03.199
<v Speaker 2>is a dinner at the White House in October of

1093
00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:07.920
<v Speaker 2>last year where Trump asks Rupert Murdoch in front of

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00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Marco Rubio and JD. Vance, who were sitting at the table,

1095
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:15.280
<v Speaker 2>which one he liked best and to rate both of them,

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00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:21.239
<v Speaker 2>and Murdoch reportedly said of Rubio, Marco is brilliant in

1097
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:24.280
<v Speaker 2>seat of Vance, I think JD has the potential to

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00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:29.480
<v Speaker 2>be great. Vance apparently tried to laugh it off with

1099
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:32.679
<v Speaker 2>the sarcastic line, Oh, thanks, thanks, Rupert, thanks a lot.

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00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:36.559
<v Speaker 2>Of course we hear at poadse of America. I think

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00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Murdoch and Trump and others are just being grossly unfair

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00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:44.199
<v Speaker 2>to our boy JD, who has continued to just oohs

1103
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:48.519
<v Speaker 2>charisma during the press tour for his new book. Just

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00:56:48.679 --> 00:56:52.599
<v Speaker 2>As one example, check out this exchange with conservative columnist

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00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:54.639
<v Speaker 2>Ross Doutfitz at the New York Times.

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<v Speaker 9>Let's be honest, the tone of the administration is not

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00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:05.360
<v Speaker 9>consistently a Christian tone. There is a tone of aggressive

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00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:09.280
<v Speaker 9>uncharity to people who aren't on board with the administration's policies.

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<v Speaker 10>The tone argument is, in some ways, I think people

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00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:16.079
<v Speaker 10>see what they want to see. And I also think

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00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:21.440
<v Speaker 10>that tonal arguments are ways of frankly policing working class

1112
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:25.920
<v Speaker 10>ways of communication and covering them in elite preferences.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I think the tonal arguments are ways of policing

1114
00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:39.840
<v Speaker 2>working class ways of communication and covering them in elite preferences.

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00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Few things. First of all, you sound like the right

1116
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:47.519
<v Speaker 2>wing version of a woke scold from academia who can't

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00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:50.119
<v Speaker 2>get off blue sky. That's what that sounded like. Two,

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00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:56.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure how the Manhattan billionaire president calling Americans

1119
00:57:56.920 --> 00:57:59.960
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't like human scum is a working class way

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00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:02.800
<v Speaker 2>of communication. And I do think it's a bit insulting

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00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:06.119
<v Speaker 2>to working class Americans that jd Vance assumes that they

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00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:10.119
<v Speaker 2>all speak about their fellow Americans that way. I'm also

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00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:13.280
<v Speaker 2>not sure when I'm like, loving my neighbor and Christian

1124
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:19.079
<v Speaker 2>charity became an elite preference as an elite preference now wild,

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00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:23.960
<v Speaker 2>just from top to bottom? Wild? Is that just me?

1126
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:26.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I couldn't. I couldn't believe that when

1127
00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:27.000
<v Speaker 2>I when I saw that.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, you did say say to us in

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00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:30.760
<v Speaker 3>our production meeting today that you could do a whole

1130
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:32.000
<v Speaker 3>podcast on this topic.

1131
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:36.559
<v Speaker 2>I think it was like the last time I tweeted. Actually,

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00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:40.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've been like retweeting things here and there,

1133
00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:42.039
<v Speaker 2>but the last time I really tweeted was a week ago,

1134
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:43.920
<v Speaker 2>and because I've been trying not to tweet that much,

1135
00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:45.400
<v Speaker 2>but I saw that and I just, first of all,

1136
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:47.880
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't stop laughing, and then I listened to the

1137
00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:52.320
<v Speaker 2>whole interview because with Ross, which is which was fun,

1138
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:53.280
<v Speaker 2>which was a real journey.

1139
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<v Speaker 3>I think people should know that you had a day

1140
00:58:56.519 --> 00:58:59.920
<v Speaker 3>to yourself in Chicago, a beautiful summer day in Chicago,

1141
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:02.760
<v Speaker 3>but you were by yourself. You could have done anything

1142
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:03.280
<v Speaker 3>in the world.

1143
00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:04.920
<v Speaker 2>And what I did, and it was a beautiful day.

1144
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:07.000
<v Speaker 2>And I walked down by the lake and I walked

1145
00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:09.719
<v Speaker 2>all the way to Lincoln Park where we used to live,

1146
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:12.079
<v Speaker 2>and I had a great day. But while I was walking,

1147
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:19.519
<v Speaker 2>I was listening times with Ross Doutfit and Jdvan JD Vance.

1148
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Good for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I very much agree with you here. It is

1150
00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:29.599
<v Speaker 3>like using the term tone policing is just perfect. But

1151
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:33.239
<v Speaker 3>like the the bigger point with this is and it

1152
00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:35.480
<v Speaker 3>says something about Jada Vance, which that Jady Vance came

1153
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:39.760
<v Speaker 3>from a working class background. Like his story is very famous,

1154
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:43.320
<v Speaker 3>but what he and it is a you know, as

1155
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:46.000
<v Speaker 3>told in his book and the Netflix movie of which

1156
00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:50.000
<v Speaker 3>he was a producer, made of his life story tells

1157
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:52.920
<v Speaker 3>you is that he picked himself up by his bootstraps,

1158
00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:56.000
<v Speaker 3>went to an Ivy league college, went to the military,

1159
00:59:56.079 --> 01:00:00.440
<v Speaker 3>became quite successful, became a venture capitalist seen in manator,

1160
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:03.400
<v Speaker 3>all the things that all the all the checklists on

1161
01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:07.159
<v Speaker 3>the MAGA resume that you need Hollywood producer, venture capitalist

1162
01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:13.519
<v Speaker 3>and Hollywood producer or CNN commentator, all the above, and

1163
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:15.880
<v Speaker 3>became an elite. Like that's his story. The story is

1164
01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:19.679
<v Speaker 3>someone who was raised in this incredible, difficult scenario involving

1165
01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:23.480
<v Speaker 3>drug addiction and poverty and rises to the most elite

1166
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:26.480
<v Speaker 3>pinnacles of American society, becomes the Vice pros United States.

1167
01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:30.920
<v Speaker 3>But what he has taken from that is that is

1168
01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:34.320
<v Speaker 3>he's become elite, and he looks down his nose at

1169
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:37.599
<v Speaker 3>everyone else, because this is the he tries to in

1170
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:40.599
<v Speaker 3>the Trump era, not the pre Trump era, but the

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01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:43.679
<v Speaker 3>in his post Trump's not really no longer hitler, I

1172
01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:47.639
<v Speaker 3>show work for him and serve him era. He tries

1173
01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:51.920
<v Speaker 3>to put on the close of an anti elitist, but

1174
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:54.119
<v Speaker 3>he is not. He is a pure elitist. And there

1175
01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:58.280
<v Speaker 3>is nothing more elitist than saying that that basically telling

1176
01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:01.039
<v Speaker 3>someone not to be a dick to their fellow citizens.

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01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:02.559
<v Speaker 3>Is anti working class.

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01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Look when Trump goes out there and you know, and

1179
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Rob Briner dies and he celebrates with the truth social post,

1180
01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:15.320
<v Speaker 2>or celebrates that Bob Muller dies with the true social post.

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01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:18.559
<v Speaker 2>That's just what working class people do. You know they're

1182
01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:22.519
<v Speaker 2>doing to the diner at the bar. That's just how

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01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:25.360
<v Speaker 2>they talk. And the reason he knows that is because

1184
01:01:25.719 --> 01:01:28.840
<v Speaker 2>he serves a working class president. Donald Trump, Donald J.

1185
01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Trump cares about the working people, is of the working people,

1186
01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:34.960
<v Speaker 2>and that's just that's how he talks. That's how working

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01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:35.760
<v Speaker 2>class people talk.

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01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:40.280
<v Speaker 3>When the working class president fires off an offensive truth

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01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:44.280
<v Speaker 3>from the gold toilet upon which he's sitting, that is

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01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:45.119
<v Speaker 3>working class talk.

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01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:48.440
<v Speaker 2>When yeah, when he says, look we just can't afford childcare,

1192
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:50.519
<v Speaker 2>we can't afford to give people child care. But also

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01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:54.039
<v Speaker 2>check out my ballroom and look at the gold, look

1194
01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:57.559
<v Speaker 2>at the gold everywhere. That's again, I had a nickel

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01:01:57.840 --> 01:01:59.480
<v Speaker 2>for every time a working class person said that I

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01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:09.119
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be class, I'd be as jd Vance amazing ross

1197
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:13.760
<v Speaker 2>douthit like he looked like he wanted to laugh too, which.

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01:02:13.559 --> 01:02:15.960
<v Speaker 3>Is the first time that's ever happened in ross A

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01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:17.119
<v Speaker 3>truly humorless man.

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01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:20.880
<v Speaker 2>I feel bad for Ross because he had to he cram.

1201
01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:22.360
<v Speaker 2>The problem with that interview is he had to cram

1202
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:24.360
<v Speaker 2>too many topics in because Jade Events only gave him

1203
01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:26.599
<v Speaker 2>aertain amount of time, and so there was so many

1204
01:02:26.679 --> 01:02:28.519
<v Speaker 2>crazy things that Jadvan said that you could tell that

1205
01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Death wanted to follow up on, and he just had to.

1206
01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:32.239
<v Speaker 2>He moved on to the next thing, and I was like,

1207
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:34.280
<v Speaker 2>you should have. I would have just I would have

1208
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:35.440
<v Speaker 2>asked him about that sentence.

1209
01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:37.480
<v Speaker 3>Maybe you would have done a whole poty JD. Vance,

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01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:38.400
<v Speaker 3>come on offline.

1211
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Religion, all the other stuff. I would have just given

1212
01:02:41.000 --> 01:02:42.360
<v Speaker 2>up and I would have been like, let's talk about

1213
01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:45.039
<v Speaker 2>the tonal arguments and the tone policing. We don't want

1214
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:47.239
<v Speaker 2>to be tone policing anyway. One more of these from

1215
01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:50.239
<v Speaker 2>JD Evans. There was another very human, very authentic Vance

1216
01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:53.119
<v Speaker 2>moment this week that also got a lot of attention. Apparently,

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01:02:53.239 --> 01:02:56.559
<v Speaker 2>Usha Vance hosts a YouTube series called Storytime with the

1218
01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Second Lady where she and a guest read to kids.

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01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Very nice and this week's special guest was JD who

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01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:06.760
<v Speaker 2>is allegedly her husband. Let's see how it went. Today's

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<v Speaker 2>special reader is my husband, Vice President of the United States,

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01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:14.039
<v Speaker 2>Jadie Vance, thanks for joining us today, honey. Of course,

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01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:21.199
<v Speaker 2>good to see you. Now. If you're just listening to this,

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<v Speaker 2>pause it, go to the YouTube BAP on your phone,

1225
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:29.639
<v Speaker 2>go to Potze of America YouTube or your laptop get

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01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:32.280
<v Speaker 2>to the nearest YouTube app you can get to and

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01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:35.199
<v Speaker 2>watch this. Because what he does there is he says

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01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:39.079
<v Speaker 2>good to see you, and then reaches awkwardly across and

1229
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:42.880
<v Speaker 2>gives her two fatherly pats on the knee, very light

1230
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:46.320
<v Speaker 2>pats on the knee, just light pats, pulls the hand back,

1231
01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:49.159
<v Speaker 2>and then they just sit and stare at each other.

1232
01:03:50.199 --> 01:03:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Is that how you and Howy greet each other after

1233
01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:52.559
<v Speaker 2>a long day apart?

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<v Speaker 3>Dan, I will say that if you can't look, it's

1235
01:03:57.400 --> 01:04:01.239
<v Speaker 3>hard to be a public figure, right. Glare of the

1236
01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:05.280
<v Speaker 3>spotlight is intense. But if there's one moment where you

1237
01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:11.199
<v Speaker 3>could possibly be yourself, it would be sitting with your wife.

1238
01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:16.320
<v Speaker 3>And he is incapable of doing that. Like it honestly

1239
01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:18.199
<v Speaker 3>seems like they have never met each.

1240
01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Other, like you. Also, it's not like he had to

1241
01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:25.360
<v Speaker 2>like give her a big kiss or like he could

1242
01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:29.199
<v Speaker 2>have just done nothing. He didn't have to tap her

1243
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:29.800
<v Speaker 2>knee like.

1244
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<v Speaker 3>What it's like you can see it, like it looked

1245
01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:33.480
<v Speaker 3>like he was about to.

1246
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:35.199
<v Speaker 2>To be like, looks like you got a bun in

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<v Speaker 2>the oven there, like it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, it's just it's I mean, I just it's like

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<v Speaker 3>the first meeting between a man who's never had a

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<v Speaker 3>date before and a mail order bride. It's just so.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't Also, he also like, I hope everyone

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<v Speaker 2>realizes that they could They could have edited that right,

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<v Speaker 2>They could have done another take, They could have cut

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<v Speaker 2>that part out. It wasn't a live performance, it was

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<v Speaker 2>it was a White House.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it does make you wonder, are there is somewhere

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<v Speaker 3>on the cutting room floor of the White House. Are

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<v Speaker 3>there nine knee pats that were less affectionate than that one?

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<v Speaker 2>Did he perhaps like high five her for the first time? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>nice to see you. I'm JD Wow. Anyway, watch out

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<v Speaker 2>Mark ur Rubio.

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<v Speaker 3>As I would say, he's got the potential to be

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<v Speaker 3>He certainly does.

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<v Speaker 2>He certainly does that potential. It's there somewhere. We have

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<v Speaker 2>not seen it yet that neither has Rupert, but it's there. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>when we come back, I'll talk to the Democratic candidate

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<v Speaker 2>for Governor of Texas, Gina Inojosa. Pods of America is

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<v Speaker 2>food should have been all along. Our dog, Leo, can

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<v Speaker 2>because he really likes the real food and is always

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<v Speaker 2>he has Sundays, he is very excited. Every time he eats.

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<v Speaker 2>Gina Inajosa, Welcome to pot Save America.

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<v Speaker 11>It's great to be with you.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's been plenty of national focus on the Texas

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<v Speaker 2>Senate race between James Tillerico and Ken Paxson. There's been

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<v Speaker 2>less attention paid to the gubernatorial race that you're running

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<v Speaker 2>against three term incumbent Greg Abbott, who's running for a

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<v Speaker 2>record fourth term as governor. We'll get to him in

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<v Speaker 2>a minute. But for all the people listening who are

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<v Speaker 2>meeting you for the first time, who are you and

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<v Speaker 2>what made you get into the race?

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<v Speaker 12>Yes, so I am running for governor of Texas because

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<v Speaker 12>what I see in twenty twenty six is that everything

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<v Speaker 12>is on the line, and this is perhaps our last

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<v Speaker 12>best chance to say what we hold dear in Texas

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<v Speaker 12>and in this country, and to explain. I grew up

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<v Speaker 12>on the border with Mexico. I grew up in the

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<v Speaker 12>Rial Grand Valley in Brownsville, Texas, and I was raised

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<v Speaker 12>on the promise of the American dream. There we used

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<v Speaker 12>to cross back and forth between Texas and Mexico all

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<v Speaker 12>the time back then, and I remember as a little

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<v Speaker 12>girl being struck by the extreme poverty I witnessed Mexico.

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<v Speaker 12>And I remember asking my dad why, why when we

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<v Speaker 12>crossed into Mexico are there beggars?

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<v Speaker 11>I said, beggars.

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<v Speaker 12>We didn't have homelessness then, we didn't have a word

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<v Speaker 12>for it, I said, beggars. And then when we crossed

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<v Speaker 12>back into Texas, there are none. I'll never forget, my

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<v Speaker 12>dad said, because in Mexico they have the rich and

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<v Speaker 12>then they have the poor, and they don't have much

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<v Speaker 12>in between. And in America we have a strong middle class.

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<v Speaker 12>And he was talking about the American dream, and working

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<v Speaker 12>Texans right now are struggling to achieve the American dream

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<v Speaker 12>in a big way.

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<v Speaker 11>It is why I'm running for office. It happened to me.

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<v Speaker 12>I never meant to run for anything. I made my

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<v Speaker 12>husband promised. I've never run for office before we got married.

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<v Speaker 12>But they try to shut down my son's school, so

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<v Speaker 12>I ran for the school board. One that fight for

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<v Speaker 12>schools took me to the Texas House. And what I

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<v Speaker 12>see in the Texas House is the reason our schools

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<v Speaker 12>are shutting down. The reason we are struggling so much

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<v Speaker 12>is because we are paying into a system that is

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<v Speaker 12>working against us. It is one big grift. It is

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<v Speaker 12>policy that is driven by money special interests, and I

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<v Speaker 12>refer to it as the Greg Abbot corruption tax. We

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<v Speaker 12>pay more, we get less because we are all paying

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<v Speaker 12>the Greg Abbot corruption tax. And now we have over

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<v Speaker 12>one hundred schools shutting down in Texas. We have over

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<v Speaker 12>one hundred and fifty school districts operating at four days

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<v Speaker 12>a week, whole school districts because they can't afford to

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<v Speaker 12>operate at five days a week. We have the most

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<v Speaker 12>people being disconnected from their electricity of any other state.

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<v Speaker 12>We have the most uninsured of any other state. We

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<v Speaker 12>have the most uninsured children of any state. We have

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<v Speaker 12>the most bankruptcies. We have the first major American city

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<v Speaker 12>in Corpus Christi, to potentially run out of water, despite

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<v Speaker 12>the fact we are paying about seventy five percent more

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<v Speaker 12>in property taxes under Greg Abbott. That is Greg Abbot's record,

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<v Speaker 12>and he owns it, and that's why I'm running. I

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<v Speaker 12>have a plan to save Texas schools and to put

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<v Speaker 12>money in your pocket. And I think it's important that

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<v Speaker 12>people understand, Yes, we fight for our public schools because

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<v Speaker 12>of our kids and our community, but we fight for

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<v Speaker 12>public schools because there can be no American dream without

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<v Speaker 12>strong public schools. Because public schools provide the opportunity, the

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<v Speaker 12>gateway for the American dream. And of course, if we

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<v Speaker 12>can't afford to live and thrive in Texas, where we live,

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<v Speaker 12>then there can be no American dream. When I was

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<v Speaker 12>a little girl, Texas was the American Dream manifest right,

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<v Speaker 12>But that is why I'm running. We have to fight

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<v Speaker 12>to win back the American dream.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're no stranger to politics, even though you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>think you would run. You've served in the Texas House,

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<v Speaker 2>and I believe your father, who you mentioned, was a

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<v Speaker 2>chair of the Democratic Party in Texas for about a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you learn from him about politics and the

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<v Speaker 2>state of the Democratic Party in Texas.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, Well, to be clear, the number one lesson I

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<v Speaker 12>learned was that I did not want that life for myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting how come because.

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<v Speaker 12>My dad belonged to the world and not to me,

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<v Speaker 12>and I want it acquired our simpler life.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm a lawyer. I had a small practice. I thought

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<v Speaker 11>that's what I would do.

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<v Speaker 12>It would be the best at my small practice, and

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<v Speaker 12>that is why I made my husband promise to never

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<v Speaker 12>run for office. But life had other plans. So that's

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<v Speaker 12>what I mostly learned. But I will tell you that

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<v Speaker 12>it is in the Texas House where I have learned

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<v Speaker 12>that really there's so much noise, but there is one fight,

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<v Speaker 12>and that fight is the fight of twenty twenty six

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<v Speaker 12>in this country, in the state, and it is are

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<v Speaker 12>we going to be a state that is by and

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<v Speaker 12>for the people, or are we living in the billionaire

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<v Speaker 12>world and we're just here?

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<v Speaker 11>That is the fight. That is the fight.

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<v Speaker 12>That is behind why schools are closing. That is the

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<v Speaker 12>fight behind why we can't afford to pay things. That's

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<v Speaker 12>the fight behind why Corpus Christy is running out of water.

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<v Speaker 11>That is the fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of billionaires and money in politics, the manure running

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<v Speaker 2>against is sitting on more than one hundred million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Recent poll had about a third of Texas voters saying

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<v Speaker 2>they don't know enough about you to have an opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you introduce yourself to a state as big

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<v Speaker 2>as Texas, when, especially when the governor, the current governor,

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<v Speaker 2>has so much money to run his own ads and campaign.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, you're right, Texas is giant. Running for governor of

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<v Speaker 12>Texas is like running for president. Right, We're doing things differently.

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<v Speaker 12>We've divided the state up into seven regions, running like

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<v Speaker 12>full congressional campaigns in each of those regions because we

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<v Speaker 12>are such a big and diverse state. What the polling

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<v Speaker 12>shows is that since the end of last year, my

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<v Speaker 12>name Idea has gone up twenty points. We went from

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<v Speaker 12>nine points down to five points down. As that's happened,

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<v Speaker 12>and so as people get to know who I am,

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<v Speaker 12>there with me and people want change. What I am

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<v Speaker 12>seeing across the state, what elections are showing in Texas,

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<v Speaker 12>what polling is showing, is that there is this anti

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<v Speaker 12>incumbency energy in Texas right now, and Greg Abbott offers

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<v Speaker 12>more of the same. And his problem, even though he

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<v Speaker 12>has all that money in his campaign account, is that

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<v Speaker 12>you use money to tell people who you are and

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<v Speaker 12>what you're about.

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<v Speaker 11>And that's his problem. People know who he is and

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<v Speaker 11>what he is about, and they don't want it anymore.

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<v Speaker 11>They want change.

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<v Speaker 12>The number one response I get from people when I

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<v Speaker 12>say I'm running for governor against Greg Abbott he can

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<v Speaker 12>run again?

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<v Speaker 11>Like really there were term limits?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I'm sure there's plenty to say about him

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<v Speaker 2>and his record. What is the one specific thing he's

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<v Speaker 2>done that you would point to if a voter, because

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<v Speaker 2>you'll probably need some of these voters, right people who

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<v Speaker 2>voted for Greg Gabbott three times. Now you have a

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<v Speaker 2>three time Abbot voter who's at least open to a

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<v Speaker 2>different choice this time, but isn't sure. What's the one

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<v Speaker 2>thing you'd say about what Greg Abbott has done to

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01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:19.119
<v Speaker 2>persuade that person.

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<v Speaker 12>He's given a billion dollars in no bid contracts to

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<v Speaker 12>his donors. He's the most corrupt governor in Texas history.

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<v Speaker 12>We im not saying something. We've never had this level

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01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:34.920
<v Speaker 12>of corruption, but every major challenge in Texas is about

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<v Speaker 12>follow the money right back to Greg Abbott's donors.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's common for challenges to say the incumbent has

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<v Speaker 2>corrupt worked for billionaires. Vetos at a version of this

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<v Speaker 2>about Abbott in twenty twenty two. Lupe Valdez said it

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<v Speaker 2>in eighteen. Both still lost by single to double digits.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think this will land in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six where it hasn't worked as well before.

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<v Speaker 12>What we are seeing is that it is already landing

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<v Speaker 12>in Texas. And twenty eighteen, you reference, that was the

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01:16:07.600 --> 01:16:11.560
<v Speaker 12>closest we've come in a long time to potentially flipping

1455
01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:14.399
<v Speaker 12>a seat statewide in Texas. That's when Betha ran against

1456
01:16:14.439 --> 01:16:17.279
<v Speaker 12>Ted Cruz. Right, that's the last time we had points right,

1457
01:16:17.479 --> 01:16:21.439
<v Speaker 12>That's right, that's the last time we had a midterm

1458
01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:25.479
<v Speaker 12>election with Trump in the White House, right, and Democrats swept.

1459
01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:28.760
<v Speaker 12>We picked up twelve seats in the Texas House. We

1460
01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:32.079
<v Speaker 12>flipped all of Harris County Houston, so Democrats swept in

1461
01:16:32.119 --> 01:16:35.000
<v Speaker 12>a big way. We were not ready, right, maybe we

1462
01:16:35.079 --> 01:16:37.159
<v Speaker 12>could have flipped the whole Texas House.

1463
01:16:37.039 --> 01:16:37.760
<v Speaker 11>Had we been ready.

1464
01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:41.399
<v Speaker 12>We are ready in twenty twenty six, and so for

1465
01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:44.760
<v Speaker 12>the first time, we have Democrats running in every congressional seat,

1466
01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:48.520
<v Speaker 12>every state house, state Senate seat, and already we have

1467
01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:54.960
<v Speaker 12>seen dramatic improvement in our performance. So Democrats overperformed Republicans

1468
01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:59.479
<v Speaker 12>in the primary that rarely happens in Texas. I had

1469
01:16:59.600 --> 01:17:03.119
<v Speaker 12>eight opponents in my primary and still I got twice

1470
01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:07.319
<v Speaker 12>as many votes as Bethy got in twenty eighteen because

1471
01:17:07.359 --> 01:17:10.920
<v Speaker 12>people are doing the work for change. And twenty eighteen

1472
01:17:11.039 --> 01:17:13.319
<v Speaker 12>is different because we have two strong candidates at the

1473
01:17:13.399 --> 01:17:19.520
<v Speaker 12>top of the ticket. Betho was pretty much the only

1474
01:17:19.560 --> 01:17:22.399
<v Speaker 12>one who could raise real money in twenty eighteen and

1475
01:17:22.560 --> 01:17:27.039
<v Speaker 12>took on all the arrows, took on the entire campaign.

1476
01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:30.680
<v Speaker 12>It's different this time around. What we've yet to see, though.

1477
01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:33.680
<v Speaker 12>The thing that is to be determined is are people

1478
01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:37.319
<v Speaker 12>going to believe what they see with their own eyes

1479
01:17:37.479 --> 01:17:41.920
<v Speaker 12>in Texas where we're winning Terran County, Terran County for instance,

1480
01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:47.399
<v Speaker 12>that was the most Republican county in the whole United

1481
01:17:47.439 --> 01:17:51.479
<v Speaker 12>States of America. We flipped a state Senate seat, swung

1482
01:17:51.560 --> 01:17:57.039
<v Speaker 12>it thirty one points to elect Taylor Ramett. Steve Bannon

1483
01:17:57.119 --> 01:18:01.600
<v Speaker 12>embedded himself in Arrant County before that happened and said,

1484
01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:05.479
<v Speaker 12>right off the bat, I'm here because as goes Terran County.

1485
01:18:05.239 --> 01:18:09.800
<v Speaker 11>So goes Texas, so goes the nation. Well we want it,

1486
01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:13.800
<v Speaker 11>and it's not just Terran County.

1487
01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:17.560
<v Speaker 12>It happened in Seyfer, it happened in Arlington, it happened

1488
01:18:17.760 --> 01:18:23.680
<v Speaker 12>in Leander, it happened in Denton, Proland. It is happening

1489
01:18:23.840 --> 01:18:26.920
<v Speaker 12>all over Texas. And what we are seeing in twenty

1490
01:18:27.000 --> 01:18:29.199
<v Speaker 12>twenty six is people just want change.

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01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:33.720
<v Speaker 2>Education is a signature issue for you. You mentioned one

1492
01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:36.960
<v Speaker 2>hundred plus schools are closing, one hundred and fifty plus

1493
01:18:37.039 --> 01:18:41.920
<v Speaker 2>districts have gone to four day weeks. For someone outside Texas,

1494
01:18:42.479 --> 01:18:44.720
<v Speaker 2>what is actually happening to the public schools right now?

1495
01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:47.960
<v Speaker 2>And what did Abbot do to cause it?

1496
01:18:48.399 --> 01:18:50.640
<v Speaker 12>So what I see in the Texas House, I sit

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01:18:50.720 --> 01:18:53.399
<v Speaker 12>on the Public Education Committee with James Sarrico. We co

1498
01:18:53.560 --> 01:18:56.239
<v Speaker 12>chaired the effort to fight vouchers in twenty twenty three

1499
01:18:56.439 --> 01:18:57.920
<v Speaker 12>and we beat Greg Abbott.

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01:18:58.119 --> 01:18:59.279
<v Speaker 11>Then we had rural.

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01:18:59.159 --> 01:19:03.039
<v Speaker 12>Republicans join with us to defend public schools and vote

1502
01:19:03.039 --> 01:19:06.880
<v Speaker 12>against vouchers. Greg Abbott took out those Republicans who voted

1503
01:19:06.960 --> 01:19:10.159
<v Speaker 12>with us in their primaries by putting a million dollars

1504
01:19:10.319 --> 01:19:13.159
<v Speaker 12>in against each of them in their primaries, and so

1505
01:19:13.319 --> 01:19:13.560
<v Speaker 12>then he.

1506
01:19:13.600 --> 01:19:16.800
<v Speaker 11>Got the votes and we passed it. Voucher's last year.

1507
01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:20.159
<v Speaker 12>Vouchers is an example of what has happened to our

1508
01:19:20.159 --> 01:19:23.760
<v Speaker 12>public schools in Texas. It is just vendor contract after

1509
01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:27.159
<v Speaker 12>vendor contract to somebody who is connected to Greg Abbott,

1510
01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:30.000
<v Speaker 12>and that is where our money for our public schools

1511
01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:35.039
<v Speaker 12>is going. So Greg Abbott received twelve million dollars, the

1512
01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:38.760
<v Speaker 12>largest campaign contribution in all of Texas history, from an

1513
01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:42.520
<v Speaker 12>out of state billionaire Jeff Yaz, who has a financial

1514
01:19:42.640 --> 01:19:46.079
<v Speaker 12>interest in vouchers. Right, that is the kind of grift

1515
01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:49.359
<v Speaker 12>and corruption that people are feeling in a real way.

1516
01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:53.000
<v Speaker 12>And so those alliances I made across the aisle with

1517
01:19:53.319 --> 01:19:58.399
<v Speaker 12>Maga moms, with football coaches and rural communities with superintendent's principles,

1518
01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:02.000
<v Speaker 12>People who love their public schools are angry in a

1519
01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:04.439
<v Speaker 12>big way at Greg Abbott for what he's done to

1520
01:20:04.520 --> 01:20:08.560
<v Speaker 12>our public schools, and I believe that that will be

1521
01:20:08.680 --> 01:20:09.600
<v Speaker 12>the difference.

1522
01:20:09.359 --> 01:20:10.479
<v Speaker 11>In this election.

1523
01:20:10.920 --> 01:20:14.199
<v Speaker 12>People see this as our last best chance to save

1524
01:20:14.239 --> 01:20:15.600
<v Speaker 12>public schools in Texas.

1525
01:20:16.039 --> 01:20:18.279
<v Speaker 2>Education used to be an issue that Democrats talked about

1526
01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:23.079
<v Speaker 2>every campaign cycle, all the time. I feel like, in general,

1527
01:20:23.159 --> 01:20:27.199
<v Speaker 2>the party has been fairly quiet about it recently. I've

1528
01:20:27.239 --> 01:20:29.680
<v Speaker 2>heard you talk about it now, Rob Emmanuel has been

1529
01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:33.199
<v Speaker 2>talking about it recently. But in general, why do you

1530
01:20:33.319 --> 01:20:36.359
<v Speaker 2>think the Democratic Party has sort of shied away from

1531
01:20:36.479 --> 01:20:39.000
<v Speaker 2>focusing on education And what do you see as a

1532
01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:44.359
<v Speaker 2>positive vision in public education and education in general for

1533
01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:46.319
<v Speaker 2>both Texas and the country to take.

1534
01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:50.000
<v Speaker 12>We've just gotten lost in all of really a lot

1535
01:20:50.079 --> 01:20:53.960
<v Speaker 12>of high tech solutions to education that have not worked

1536
01:20:54.479 --> 01:20:56.880
<v Speaker 12>in Texas. It's happened in a big way now they're

1537
01:20:57.039 --> 01:21:01.520
<v Speaker 12>trying to push in Houston, Texas. Greg took over Houston

1538
01:21:01.600 --> 01:21:05.439
<v Speaker 12>ID and trying to put in one hundred AI schools

1539
01:21:05.960 --> 01:21:09.560
<v Speaker 12>in Houston with this idea that we don't need teachers,

1540
01:21:09.800 --> 01:21:14.880
<v Speaker 12>we need education guides, and so it's just a way

1541
01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:17.960
<v Speaker 12>for them to make money off of our public school dollars.

1542
01:21:18.680 --> 01:21:21.000
<v Speaker 12>So I'm proposing a back to basics approach where we

1543
01:21:21.279 --> 01:21:28.399
<v Speaker 12>pay teachers their worth and it doesn't feel sexy. Right

1544
01:21:28.479 --> 01:21:31.720
<v Speaker 12>back to basics, pay teachers their worth, novel concept. It

1545
01:21:31.800 --> 01:21:35.600
<v Speaker 12>doesn't happen because it Nobody makes money off of it

1546
01:21:35.920 --> 01:21:38.720
<v Speaker 12>but teachers, right. Billionaires don't make money off of it.

1547
01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:43.479
<v Speaker 12>And I think in lots of ways Democrats have moved

1548
01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:48.640
<v Speaker 12>away from just the basics. Again, it's the American dream.

1549
01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:52.000
<v Speaker 12>How can you have the American dream without strong public schools.

1550
01:21:52.279 --> 01:21:54.880
<v Speaker 12>Public schools tell every child you can be anything you

1551
01:21:54.960 --> 01:21:57.479
<v Speaker 12>want to be if you put in the work. How

1552
01:21:57.560 --> 01:21:59.680
<v Speaker 12>are we letting it happen? That are public schools And

1553
01:21:59.720 --> 01:22:02.000
<v Speaker 12>it's not just Texas, but it's in Texas in a big,

1554
01:22:02.079 --> 01:22:05.520
<v Speaker 12>big way. Are dying on the buye In Texas. There

1555
01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:09.000
<v Speaker 12>is a unique kind of pride. Texas public schools are

1556
01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:12.760
<v Speaker 12>Friday night lights. They are enshrined in our Texas constitution.

1557
01:22:13.159 --> 01:22:16.079
<v Speaker 12>They made us who we are. People have big pride

1558
01:22:16.239 --> 01:22:18.920
<v Speaker 12>in public schools in Texas, and I think that is

1559
01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:22.800
<v Speaker 12>why it is resonating in a way that there is

1560
01:22:22.840 --> 01:22:25.840
<v Speaker 12>a possessiveness and an understanding that this is a part

1561
01:22:25.880 --> 01:22:29.199
<v Speaker 12>of who we are, and people are ready to fight

1562
01:22:29.279 --> 01:22:30.159
<v Speaker 12>for their public schools.

1563
01:22:30.600 --> 01:22:33.680
<v Speaker 2>What do you do about low performing public schools and

1564
01:22:33.760 --> 01:22:34.840
<v Speaker 2>low performing teachers.

1565
01:22:35.119 --> 01:22:39.079
<v Speaker 12>It's never the right answer to take power away from

1566
01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:44.199
<v Speaker 12>parents in community when our public schools are struggling. I

1567
01:22:44.359 --> 01:22:46.560
<v Speaker 12>do think we need a back to basics approach money

1568
01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:51.199
<v Speaker 12>in the classroom. We have had a teacher exodus in Texas.

1569
01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:55.439
<v Speaker 12>We have for the first time Texas is hiring more

1570
01:22:55.640 --> 01:23:01.079
<v Speaker 12>uncertified teachers than certified teachers, but a lot. We now

1571
01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:05.960
<v Speaker 12>have teachers who have no college degree being hired in Texas.

1572
01:23:06.520 --> 01:23:09.119
<v Speaker 12>I have a neighboring school district. Their number one source

1573
01:23:09.239 --> 01:23:12.000
<v Speaker 12>of new hires is out of the country because they

1574
01:23:12.079 --> 01:23:14.720
<v Speaker 12>can't find people to work for what we pay who

1575
01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:17.880
<v Speaker 12>have the experience.

1576
01:23:19.039 --> 01:23:21.760
<v Speaker 11>We all know. It's again not rocket science.

1577
01:23:21.920 --> 01:23:23.880
<v Speaker 12>The best thing we can do for a child's education

1578
01:23:24.039 --> 01:23:26.159
<v Speaker 12>is put a great teacher in the classroom, and we

1579
01:23:26.319 --> 01:23:31.159
<v Speaker 12>have steered so far away from what we know works.

1580
01:23:31.279 --> 01:23:33.880
<v Speaker 12>So again, it's a back to basics approach making sure

1581
01:23:33.960 --> 01:23:36.239
<v Speaker 12>we have great educators in the classroom.

1582
01:23:36.359 --> 01:23:38.319
<v Speaker 2>Looking at the pull, some of your strongest numbers are

1583
01:23:38.319 --> 01:23:40.680
<v Speaker 2>with Latino voters. Some polls have you up in nearly

1584
01:23:40.720 --> 01:23:44.279
<v Speaker 2>twenty points Trump. Of course, Carrie Latinas Texas. In twenty

1585
01:23:44.359 --> 01:23:48.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty four, you've said the Latino vote can be the

1586
01:23:48.039 --> 01:23:51.039
<v Speaker 2>difference if we choose to be what does choose to

1587
01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:54.880
<v Speaker 2>be mean? And what has the party gotten wrong over

1588
01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:59.000
<v Speaker 2>the last several years decade. It's seeing sort of Latino

1589
01:23:59.119 --> 01:24:03.760
<v Speaker 2>voters either drift away from the Democratic Party or, you know,

1590
01:24:03.840 --> 01:24:06.000
<v Speaker 2>in the case of twenty twenty four, toward the Republican Party.

1591
01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:09.000
<v Speaker 12>I think we have taken our eye off the prize

1592
01:24:09.159 --> 01:24:11.760
<v Speaker 12>of what are we fighting for again? I think there

1593
01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:14.600
<v Speaker 12>is one fight. It is the fight about whether it

1594
01:24:14.760 --> 01:24:17.239
<v Speaker 12>is a country estate that is buying for the people.

1595
01:24:17.359 --> 01:24:19.119
<v Speaker 12>That is the fight for the American dream. They are

1596
01:24:19.279 --> 01:24:23.119
<v Speaker 12>one in the same, and I think we get distracted

1597
01:24:23.600 --> 01:24:25.399
<v Speaker 12>by culture wars and social issues.

1598
01:24:25.760 --> 01:24:28.279
<v Speaker 11>We take the bait all the time, and I get it.

1599
01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:28.920
<v Speaker 4>I mean.

1600
01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:35.680
<v Speaker 12>It is infuriating things that Republicans do and say to

1601
01:24:36.079 --> 01:24:40.479
<v Speaker 12>different groups that consist of our coalition. But when we're

1602
01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:44.199
<v Speaker 12>fighting about those things, we are not talking about the

1603
01:24:44.279 --> 01:24:47.239
<v Speaker 12>thing that impacts all of us, and that is can.

1604
01:24:47.159 --> 01:24:51.600
<v Speaker 11>You afford to live and thrive in Texas? And that

1605
01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:52.720
<v Speaker 11>has to be the fight.

1606
01:24:53.800 --> 01:24:57.000
<v Speaker 12>So the Latino vote is hugely important to your point,

1607
01:24:57.079 --> 01:25:01.039
<v Speaker 12>You're right, absolutely. In twenty eighteen, they got sixty four

1608
01:25:01.159 --> 01:25:04.640
<v Speaker 12>percent of the Latino vote again the closest we've come

1609
01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:07.640
<v Speaker 12>in a long long time to winning as Democrats. When

1610
01:25:07.680 --> 01:25:10.279
<v Speaker 12>I get sixty four percent of the Latino vote, I

1611
01:25:10.359 --> 01:25:12.640
<v Speaker 12>win because there are more of us in the voting

1612
01:25:12.720 --> 01:25:16.800
<v Speaker 12>population than there were then. To give you a sense

1613
01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:20.600
<v Speaker 12>of where Latinos are in Texas, in twenty twenty six,

1614
01:25:21.039 --> 01:25:24.560
<v Speaker 12>Taylor Romett, who flipped that state Senate seat, cut seventy

1615
01:25:24.840 --> 01:25:29.319
<v Speaker 12>nine percent of the Latino vote in his election. All right,

1616
01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:32.560
<v Speaker 12>that is the potential. Of course, we're taking nothing for granted.

1617
01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:37.000
<v Speaker 12>I am heavily focused on engaging the Latino vote in

1618
01:25:37.079 --> 01:25:39.399
<v Speaker 12>this election, and if we choose to be is if

1619
01:25:39.680 --> 01:25:42.560
<v Speaker 12>Latinos will show up. We have seen this year that

1620
01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:45.760
<v Speaker 12>Latinos are showing up, and we need Latinos to show

1621
01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:47.680
<v Speaker 12>up in a big way in November.

1622
01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:50.760
<v Speaker 2>I think one challenge Democrats have had over the last

1623
01:25:50.840 --> 01:25:55.439
<v Speaker 2>decade is sort of assuming that for Latino voters immigration

1624
01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:58.439
<v Speaker 2>is the top issue, when, as you said, the economy

1625
01:25:58.479 --> 01:26:00.399
<v Speaker 2>affordability is still number one, just as it is with

1626
01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:05.840
<v Speaker 2>non Latino voters. That said, Trump has decided to make

1627
01:26:06.199 --> 01:26:10.560
<v Speaker 2>immigration central to his second administration even more than it

1628
01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:14.359
<v Speaker 2>was in the first. I think that personally, what I've

1629
01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:17.760
<v Speaker 2>seen from Democrats over the last decade is fear around

1630
01:26:17.760 --> 01:26:20.800
<v Speaker 2>the issue of immigration. And so when you ask Democrats

1631
01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:24.159
<v Speaker 2>about immigration, people either say, Okay, we need a strong

1632
01:26:24.239 --> 01:26:28.199
<v Speaker 2>border for sure, but what Trump's doing with ice is

1633
01:26:28.640 --> 01:26:33.560
<v Speaker 2>horrific and wrong. And that's about as far as it goes. Yeah,

1634
01:26:34.439 --> 01:26:36.319
<v Speaker 2>at some point will be in power again, hopefully, so

1635
01:26:36.479 --> 01:26:40.600
<v Speaker 2>hopefully you'll be governor. What is a positive vision for

1636
01:26:40.760 --> 01:26:46.640
<v Speaker 2>immigration that you think can rally the country behind the

1637
01:26:46.720 --> 01:26:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Democratic Party that recognizes is my old boss, Barack Obama

1638
01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:53.720
<v Speaker 2>would always say that we're in a nation of laws

1639
01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:55.199
<v Speaker 2>and a nation of immigrants, right.

1640
01:26:55.680 --> 01:26:58.520
<v Speaker 11>I think we have to stress that we're for border security.

1641
01:26:58.640 --> 01:26:59.319
<v Speaker 11>We all want that.

1642
01:26:59.359 --> 01:27:02.520
<v Speaker 12>I grew up on the of course I want border security,

1643
01:27:02.600 --> 01:27:05.399
<v Speaker 12>and what is happening right now is not that. And

1644
01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:08.439
<v Speaker 12>the district attorney in Harris County will say he has

1645
01:27:08.560 --> 01:27:12.039
<v Speaker 12>child sex abuse cases that he cannot prosecute because the

1646
01:27:12.119 --> 01:27:16.000
<v Speaker 12>witnesses have been detained or deported or too afraid to

1647
01:27:16.159 --> 01:27:18.520
<v Speaker 12>come forward. That makes us less safe, not more safe.

1648
01:27:20.079 --> 01:27:23.119
<v Speaker 12>And here's the other thing. The other thing is that

1649
01:27:24.279 --> 01:27:28.640
<v Speaker 12>it's hard to be generous to immigrants when Americans are

1650
01:27:28.720 --> 01:27:32.399
<v Speaker 12>struggling themselves so much it is hard to be generous

1651
01:27:32.439 --> 01:27:35.079
<v Speaker 12>with the American dream when people feel like it's out

1652
01:27:35.199 --> 01:27:37.760
<v Speaker 12>of reach for themselves.

1653
01:27:37.920 --> 01:27:38.039
<v Speaker 3>Right.

1654
01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:41.680
<v Speaker 12>I think it's a classic example of the you know,

1655
01:27:41.800 --> 01:27:45.880
<v Speaker 12>put your oxygen mask on first and then help others

1656
01:27:45.920 --> 01:27:50.680
<v Speaker 12>in need. We have to recognize that Americans working, Americans

1657
01:27:50.720 --> 01:27:54.359
<v Speaker 12>working Texans are not making it. We need to make

1658
01:27:54.399 --> 01:27:56.840
<v Speaker 12>sure they get the oxygen mask first, and that we

1659
01:27:58.439 --> 01:28:03.199
<v Speaker 12>message and we work to liver for Americans first, really

1660
01:28:03.800 --> 01:28:07.039
<v Speaker 12>for Texans first, that we're doing everything we can to

1661
01:28:07.159 --> 01:28:11.479
<v Speaker 12>address again the one fight, the one fight. Is this

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<v Speaker 12>going to be a country and a state for us

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01:28:14.119 --> 01:28:15.439
<v Speaker 12>or for moneyed interests.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think we need to revamp our asylum loss?

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<v Speaker 12>Sounds like it, yes, yeah, yeah, And can I give

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<v Speaker 12>you an example. So Biden's last the December before his

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01:28:31.800 --> 01:28:35.279
<v Speaker 12>last year in office, Remember we had the caravans at

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<v Speaker 12>the border.

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<v Speaker 11>It was chaotic.

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01:28:38.239 --> 01:28:41.760
<v Speaker 12>People in Texas were angry, and I got a call.

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<v Speaker 12>I was chair of the campaign committee for the Texas

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<v Speaker 12>House at the time. I got a call from my

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<v Speaker 12>member at Eagle Pass, who was a frontline member, and

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01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:52.560
<v Speaker 12>he said, Gina, they have shut down the border to

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<v Speaker 12>Eagle Pass in Mexico. This was the week before Christmas

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01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:01.439
<v Speaker 12>to all commerce. It is killing our local businesses. We

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01:29:01.560 --> 01:29:05.039
<v Speaker 12>are going to lose. And I said, okay, let me

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01:29:05.119 --> 01:29:07.399
<v Speaker 12>see what I can do. So I called the Biden

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01:29:07.399 --> 01:29:11.000
<v Speaker 12>administration and I said, we need an emergency meeting. Within

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01:29:11.079 --> 01:29:14.199
<v Speaker 12>forty eight hours, we had their top border officials on

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01:29:14.279 --> 01:29:17.920
<v Speaker 12>the phone. I had my border members on the phone,

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01:29:18.279 --> 01:29:22.000
<v Speaker 12>and the Biden officials heard an earful about how this

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01:29:22.199 --> 01:29:22.800
<v Speaker 12>is not working.

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01:29:23.239 --> 01:29:24.279
<v Speaker 11>Something needs to change.

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01:29:24.720 --> 01:29:30.760
<v Speaker 12>That next week, the Biden administration sent delegates over to

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01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:36.079
<v Speaker 12>negotiate enforcement on the Mexican side. And what you will

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01:29:36.119 --> 01:29:40.840
<v Speaker 12>see in the numbers is that crossings plummeted when that happened.

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01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:46.359
<v Speaker 12>We need when it comes to immigration, like common sense solutions.

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<v Speaker 12>I think that there is no question that Biden avoided

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01:29:51.079 --> 01:29:53.039
<v Speaker 12>the issue and did not deal with it until it

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01:29:53.880 --> 01:29:56.640
<v Speaker 12>was out of control. And we need to make sure

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01:29:56.720 --> 01:30:00.680
<v Speaker 12>that we have people in office who stopped playing politics

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01:30:01.119 --> 01:30:04.279
<v Speaker 12>with immigration and just work on real solutions.

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<v Speaker 2>I unfortunately have to ask you about the screwworm, which

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01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:08.439
<v Speaker 2>I had never heard of until a week or so ago.

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<v Speaker 2>For listeners, the New World screwworm is a flesh eating

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01:30:12.279 --> 01:30:15.239
<v Speaker 2>parasite that infests livestock. It was eradicated from the US

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01:30:15.279 --> 01:30:17.600
<v Speaker 2>sixty years ago, but now it's back in Texas cattle

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01:30:17.640 --> 01:30:21.159
<v Speaker 2>for the first time. Two things, how bad is this

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01:30:21.279 --> 01:30:24.640
<v Speaker 2>for Texas? And also the reporting is that all the

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01:30:24.720 --> 01:30:28.119
<v Speaker 2>cuts from Trump and Doge slowed the federal response. Has

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01:30:28.159 --> 01:30:33.199
<v Speaker 2>Abbot said one word criticizing the administration that hamstrung him

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01:30:33.319 --> 01:30:36.800
<v Speaker 2>and Texas? And if not, what does that tell you?

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, that Abbot is weak governor. We have a governor

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01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:44.520
<v Speaker 12>who understood years ago that the screwworm was coming. It

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01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:47.000
<v Speaker 12>is in Texas now. It is going to be very

1707
01:30:47.119 --> 01:30:50.000
<v Speaker 12>hard to eradicate. It is spreading in Texas. Now that

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01:30:50.119 --> 01:30:55.159
<v Speaker 12>it is here, We're looking at disastrous consequences. And I

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01:30:55.199 --> 01:30:57.880
<v Speaker 12>don't think it's just for Texans, but yes, for Texas

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01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:01.239
<v Speaker 12>ranchers for the price of beef. That we have a

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01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:04.960
<v Speaker 12>governor who either didn't care enough or didn't have this

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01:31:05.199 --> 01:31:09.159
<v Speaker 12>way the juice with the administration and a Secretary of

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01:31:09.199 --> 01:31:13.520
<v Speaker 12>Agriculture from Texas under the administration to say, hey, I

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01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:17.560
<v Speaker 12>understand you're doging all this other stuff, save this. This

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01:31:17.760 --> 01:31:20.680
<v Speaker 12>is important and we need to make sure we're doing

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01:31:20.760 --> 01:31:23.920
<v Speaker 12>what we need to do. Is a failure on Abbot's part.

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01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:26.439
<v Speaker 12>I lay this on the lap of Abbot that he

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01:31:26.520 --> 01:31:31.399
<v Speaker 12>could not communicate with a Trump administration, the urgency of

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01:31:31.520 --> 01:31:34.159
<v Speaker 12>making sure we had a solution before it was too late,

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01:31:34.439 --> 01:31:37.720
<v Speaker 12>and hearing it. We are now with screwworm in Texas

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01:31:37.840 --> 01:31:38.399
<v Speaker 12>and spreading.

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<v Speaker 2>So there are last questions. There are just so many

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01:31:42.560 --> 01:31:45.279
<v Speaker 2>very important, very competitive House and Senate races this year

1724
01:31:45.319 --> 01:31:48.479
<v Speaker 2>that could decide control of Congress. There are other gubernatorial

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01:31:48.600 --> 01:31:52.039
<v Speaker 2>races that at least on paper, seem closer, more competitive

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01:31:52.079 --> 01:31:54.760
<v Speaker 2>even than yours. For people who are looking to donate

1727
01:31:54.920 --> 01:31:57.760
<v Speaker 2>their time and their money to midterm races this year,

1728
01:31:58.239 --> 01:31:59.319
<v Speaker 2>why should they choose yours?

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01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:02.079
<v Speaker 12>Is the fate of the Union depends on Texas in

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01:32:02.199 --> 01:32:06.319
<v Speaker 12>twenty twenty six. After the US Supreme Court decision on

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01:32:06.399 --> 01:32:10.560
<v Speaker 12>redistricting that gutted the Voting Rights Act, there are now

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01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:15.560
<v Speaker 12>no rules and what will happen in Texas because Republican

1733
01:32:15.680 --> 01:32:18.279
<v Speaker 12>leaders have already said they're going to draw new lines

1734
01:32:18.399 --> 01:32:21.960
<v Speaker 12>next year, we lose five Democrats in Congress under a

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01:32:22.039 --> 01:32:25.800
<v Speaker 12>new map with no rules. That's on top of what

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01:32:25.960 --> 01:32:29.199
<v Speaker 12>the Brennan Center predicts will happen at the end of

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01:32:29.680 --> 01:32:33.640
<v Speaker 12>the decade through census, which is four years away. That

1738
01:32:33.800 --> 01:32:37.920
<v Speaker 12>Texas will gain four to five more congressional seats because

1739
01:32:37.960 --> 01:32:40.439
<v Speaker 12>we're growing faster than all the other states. We take

1740
01:32:40.520 --> 01:32:45.760
<v Speaker 12>from blue states those congressional seats. If Republicans control that,

1741
01:32:45.960 --> 01:32:50.359
<v Speaker 12>that's another four to five seats that Democrats lose in Congress.

1742
01:32:50.720 --> 01:32:55.760
<v Speaker 12>That's ten seats in Congress that Democrats that are off

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01:32:55.800 --> 01:32:57.439
<v Speaker 12>the table for Democrats.

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<v Speaker 11>The governor of Texas controls ten percent of Congress.

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01:33:05.520 --> 01:33:08.119
<v Speaker 12>We need a governor in Texas who will veto their

1746
01:33:08.520 --> 01:33:12.800
<v Speaker 12>rigged maps. This is the most important governor's race in

1747
01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:14.920
<v Speaker 12>the whole country for that reason.

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<v Speaker 2>Gene and Rosa, thank you so much for joining Pots

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01:33:18.039 --> 01:33:21.199
<v Speaker 2>Save America. Good luck out there. Everyone always says Texas

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01:33:21.279 --> 01:33:24.960
<v Speaker 2>did Democrats are dreaming of Texas again, And I same

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01:33:25.039 --> 01:33:27.039
<v Speaker 2>thing as you said, Like, at some point we have

1752
01:33:27.119 --> 01:33:32.760
<v Speaker 2>to win Texas because Congress, the maps, but also electoral college.

1753
01:33:33.439 --> 01:33:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Like right, also, as the Midwestern states start getting a

1754
01:33:36.560 --> 01:33:38.159
<v Speaker 2>little redder, we've got to make up for it somewhere.

1755
01:33:38.239 --> 01:33:39.399
<v Speaker 2>Texas is just too big.

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01:33:39.560 --> 01:33:42.199
<v Speaker 12>Right, Well, for at some point congressional seats equate to

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01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:46.319
<v Speaker 12>electoral votes. So right, if there's no way to win Congress,

1758
01:33:46.399 --> 01:33:48.359
<v Speaker 12>then there's no way to win the White House.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, thanks for you doing. Good luck out there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you soon.

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<v Speaker 11>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>That's our show for today. Thanks to Gina you know

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01:33:54.880 --> 01:33:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Hosa for coming on. Dan will be back in the

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<v Speaker 2>feed on Sunday with a conversation with strict scrutinies Leihlitman.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a good weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye everyone.

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