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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZY, Boston News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, Nicole, as we start a Tuesday

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<v Speaker 2>night edition of Nightside. Step in a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a technical issue here, which I'm sure we will be

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<v Speaker 2>able to clear up at some point, but welcome on

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<v Speaker 2>in everybody. Nonetheless, we fly this plane on whatever number

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<v Speaker 2>of engines we have at any given time. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>tell you, welcome everybody. My name's Dan Ray, as Nicole indicated,

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<v Speaker 2>the host of the program, and Rob Brooks is back

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<v Speaker 2>in the control room at Broadcast Central, all set to

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<v Speaker 2>begin our conversation tonight. I will tell you that later

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<v Speaker 2>on this evening we are going to talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>effort to put offshore wind off the coast of New England.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to be talking with Dustin Delano of the

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<v Speaker 2>New England Fisherman Stewart Steward Ship Association. That's at nine o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>And then later on tonight we'll talk about tackling the

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<v Speaker 2>Thanksgiving Turkey dinner and the conversations that may or may

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<v Speaker 2>not occur around the family gathering, the annual family gathering.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we can try. I think we can try

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<v Speaker 2>to have decent conversations with each other. Call me an optimist,

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<v Speaker 2>but we'll try. First off, we're going to have a

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<v Speaker 2>great conversation with a gentleman by the name of Charles Row.

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<v Speaker 2>This was suggested to me by one of our listeners

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<v Speaker 2>in South Carolina. Pete in South Carolina said, have you

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<v Speaker 2>ever done anything on Lionel trains? And we haven't, so,

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<v Speaker 2>of course we're approaching the Hanukah and the Christmas season

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<v Speaker 2>and many people are train officionados, and I'm told that

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<v Speaker 2>Charles Row, of a company right here in Massachusetts, is

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<v Speaker 2>really ground zero for Lionel trains and people who are

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<v Speaker 2>interested in that. Charles, welcome to night, said how are you, sir.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very good, Thank you Dan, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>So all of us, all us vintage, remember lilying on

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<v Speaker 2>the trains as we were kids, and have they gone

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<v Speaker 2>out of style or it sounds to me based upon

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<v Speaker 2>with my pal Pete in South Carolina tells me there's

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<v Speaker 2>still a lot of people who love the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>a train set, an actual train set that's different from

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<v Speaker 2>some of the stuff that we see, the plastic sets

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<v Speaker 2>or the wooden sets. These are trains that actually run

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<v Speaker 2>on tracks. And I looked at your website tonight. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing it's an amazing experience. It brought me back

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<v Speaker 2>to Christmases of long time ago. Tell us about it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Christmas, you know, the tradition of Christmas is

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<v Speaker 3>always about a train. I mean, people have trains around

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<v Speaker 3>the trees for many, many years, and it's still popular today.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, what more could you see. You walk into

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<v Speaker 3>a room and you see the beautiful Christmas tree and

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<v Speaker 3>you see a train running around it. It just brings

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<v Speaker 3>everything to life. And it's been like that for years,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's many, many, many people who still put the

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<v Speaker 3>trains around the tree. Line now sells thousands of train

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<v Speaker 3>sets every year, so it keeps going and going, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>since since we were kids.

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<v Speaker 2>So how is it possible for someone who wants to

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<v Speaker 2>rekindle that spirit and that joy that trains seem to bring.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, describe the train. A lot of people think

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<v Speaker 2>about trains and they got little wooden trains which are lovely,

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<v Speaker 2>or plastic trains or whatever. But these are real. They

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<v Speaker 2>look like trains. They're they're there, there's made of steel,

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<v Speaker 2>they're heavy, they run on tracks, they have whistles. Just

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<v Speaker 2>explain to the audience who's never seen a Lionel train exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>What it like, what it sees when we when we

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<v Speaker 3>were kids many years ago, a lot of kids had

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<v Speaker 3>trains that would you know, they run like you say,

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<v Speaker 3>they run on tracks. You plug them into the wall

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<v Speaker 3>and they go around on tracks. Like years ago. Today's

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<v Speaker 3>trains are more modern. They make a lot more noise,

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<v Speaker 3>better smoke, there's a lot more for the kids that

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<v Speaker 3>there's even a little hand controlled that they can use

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<v Speaker 3>to control the trains. There's you can run them from

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<v Speaker 3>your iPhone now. So they've made great you know, they've

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<v Speaker 3>kept up with technology. You know, when we were kids,

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<v Speaker 3>we would just turn to trans farmer on or go

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<v Speaker 3>around the train and we get all excited. And the

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<v Speaker 3>smell of the smoke, now they got smoked that smells

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<v Speaker 3>like pine trees and trains run around and talking and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, all aboard the train, says the kids get

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<v Speaker 3>all excited. And of course you have Pole Express the

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<v Speaker 3>great movie, and they Lionel makes a Pole Express train.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's the most part. That's how most popular set.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So so the question that I have and you

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<v Speaker 2>can you can be you in general, don't give me

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<v Speaker 2>a specific answer, but how much of an investment? And look,

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<v Speaker 2>if they go to your website, they'll see these magnificent trains.

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<v Speaker 2>You must have mounted some sort of a camera on

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<v Speaker 2>the front of the train so it shows it from

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<v Speaker 2>the perspective of the train going through tunnels and pass trees,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, just it's it's it's it allows your

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<v Speaker 2>imagination to run wild. But how much does a family

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<v Speaker 2>have to spend to you know, sort of get a

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<v Speaker 2>good starter. You know, you're not going to get the

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<v Speaker 2>first you know, they're not going to build in their

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<v Speaker 2>basement or or in wherever a magnificent set like you

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<v Speaker 2>that you have. But what are you talking about in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of a financial commitment to start.

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<v Speaker 3>Three or four hundred dollars you can buy a beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>Lionel set or the last years it's just like when yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's awesome, it's it's really a bogain. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>think to spend that kind of money and have a

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<v Speaker 3>tradition that you can run for many years, I think

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a good deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Now folks have to have is it advisable to have

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<v Speaker 2>them on a table so that you know, a sturdy,

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<v Speaker 2>solid table. You know, maybe with a green tablecloth or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that, or can you just also just put

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<v Speaker 2>them on the floor and let them run on the carpets.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, you you have to have the tracks,

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<v Speaker 2>but I assume that they're better on a table and

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<v Speaker 2>a solid uh sound no line.

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<v Speaker 3>Linel's gone to what they call fast track and it

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<v Speaker 3>snaps together so it's sturdy, it stays together. You could

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<v Speaker 3>put on a hot wood floor. You could put it

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<v Speaker 3>on a carpet and stay together when you when you

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<v Speaker 3>put when you put on a table or something, that's

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<v Speaker 3>well for the hobbyist, you know, that's like.

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<v Speaker 2>Face, that's maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe your child's interested in the trains. So okay,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I'm gonna put in the board. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna put out in the garage or down the basement.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll do a little four by eight. We could put

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<v Speaker 3>some mountains and you know, think some gates that go

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<v Speaker 3>up and down and all that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So the more complicated that you that you want

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<v Speaker 2>to make it, you can make it. Okay, Where are

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<v Speaker 2>you guys located? Whereabouts in You're in Massachusetts right, we're.

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<v Speaker 3>In We're in Maldon, four miles north of Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I know Maledon apps absolutely and you you have

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<v Speaker 2>the retail store in Maldon as well. I mean, or

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<v Speaker 2>do they do it now? Now?

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<v Speaker 3>We have a we have a we have a retail

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<v Speaker 3>store where people can come in. We have our operating

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<v Speaker 3>layout which is sixteen by thirty two, runs six trains

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<v Speaker 3>at once and multiple size of size of trains. Or

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<v Speaker 3>they can do mail order. We could ship it to them.

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<v Speaker 3>They'll they'll have it within a reasonable amount of time,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a couple of days, three or four.

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<v Speaker 2>Days, so well in time for Christmas. Okay, absolutely, Look

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<v Speaker 2>how many how many how long you've been in business?

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<v Speaker 3>Fifty two years? It's nineteen seventy two.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty two years, and you probably over that time have

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<v Speaker 2>sold Do you just sell Lionel trains or there are

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<v Speaker 2>other competitive trains? I always think of Lionel. Are there other.

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<v Speaker 3>Products all Linel? Yes, Lionel is the big name and trains,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, because they've been around for one hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five years, the one hundred and twenty fifth anniversary

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<v Speaker 3>coming up this year. But we do sell h O

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<v Speaker 3>which is a smaller trains, or we do the train

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<v Speaker 3>that got what they call Godden Train g Skill, which

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<v Speaker 3>is even bigger than Lionel, and we also manufacture that

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<v Speaker 3>also inside our facility. Plus we manufactured in China also.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well we'll leave that aside selling China. If you

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<v Speaker 2>want to do the man, I'd rather have your manufacturer here,

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<v Speaker 2>Charles Row looks. I appreciate your call very much. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope that some of our listeners will go

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<v Speaker 2>to you whiz give us the website so that people

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<v Speaker 2>might want to maybe that some people don't even know

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<v Speaker 2>what we're talking about. But what's the website? Charles?

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<v Speaker 3>W w W don't need that.

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<v Speaker 2>Anymore, Charles, You never need the everybody's go ahead, Charles,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>Charles, Charles Row, and that's r row dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>They couldn't be they couldn't be easier. I knew that

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't what it was, but I wanted you to say it,

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<v Speaker 2>Charles Row.

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<v Speaker 3>And Row is our row, simple.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, I got it. Yeah, believe me. You know that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>That works great, Charles, Thank you so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, we help. We hope to see you in

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<v Speaker 3>the store in a few days.

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<v Speaker 2>You might not be surprised if I was in the

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<v Speaker 2>store in a few days. Trust me, I have a

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<v Speaker 2>coming in Okay, well, I sure will. Child's pleasure to

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<v Speaker 2>pleasure to talk with you. And again a big shout

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<v Speaker 2>out to your your customer and and our listener Pete

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<v Speaker 2>in South Carolina, Pete D as we call him in

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks John having me on having you have a good evening.

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<v Speaker 2>My pleasure. Thank you. All right, I enjoyed that. That

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<v Speaker 2>was fun. When we get back, we're I talk about

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<v Speaker 2>something not so much fun, and that is why has

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<v Speaker 2>the US gotten so dry so fast? And what could

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<v Speaker 2>reverse it. We're gonna be talking with a Washington Post

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<v Speaker 2>meteorologist who tonight joins us from off All Places, New Zealand.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get to that part of the story and the

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<v Speaker 2>big story and other topics coming up. We're gonna talk

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<v Speaker 2>about World's AIDS Day, which is coming up on December first,

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<v Speaker 2>and also of course the big travel day in advance

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<v Speaker 2>of Thanksgiving, with a Jillian Young of Triple A Northeast.

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<v Speaker 2>We got a lot to cover, and then we get

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<v Speaker 2>to the to the nine o'clock hour and topics and

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<v Speaker 2>issues and uh, stay with us. We're gonna have a

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<v Speaker 2>great night tonight on Night Side.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray Mine from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think all of us in New England know

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<v Speaker 2>that we're in a drought. We've seen the fires here

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<v Speaker 2>in New England, which we normally don't have. We generally

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<v Speaker 2>have some, but it has been a very different falls.

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<v Speaker 2>We are now passed halfway past the month of November,

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<v Speaker 2>which is incredible with us. Is Ben No, meteorologist with

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<v Speaker 2>the Washington Post, who tonight is in New Zealand? Then

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<v Speaker 2>what the heck you doing down in New Zealand?

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<v Speaker 5>Hi, Danny, thanks for having me tonight. I am calling

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<v Speaker 5>for about nine thousand miles away in New Zealand. Actually

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<v Speaker 5>have lived down here for the last nine years, but

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<v Speaker 5>recently took up a new job with the Post as

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<v Speaker 5>a meteorologist within their newsroom. So I'm transitioning back to

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<v Speaker 5>the States right now. It's actually a beautiful late late

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I wish that I knew you back then

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<v Speaker 2>because Scott Brown, former Cenator from Massachusetts and a longtime

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<v Speaker 2>and I almost went down there for a visit. But

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk weather. What's going on here. I know that

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<v Speaker 2>about weather than I do. This is a problem for us,

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<v Speaker 2>but I guess in other parts of the world. Reading

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<v Speaker 2>at this point. You think of the floods in Spain

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's been an interesting one, Dan, I mean, we've

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<v Speaker 5>trend toward warmer temperatures across the globe. Well, part and

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<v Speaker 5>impactful storms, whether it was the hurricanes like Helene and Milton,

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<v Speaker 5>litany of flooding rain events across the planet, and they

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<v Speaker 5>have probably outnumbered the parts of the planet that have

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<v Speaker 5>and widespread dryness across the planet as a whole. And

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<v Speaker 5>we've actually seen about eighty seven percent of the United

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<v Speaker 5>States experience abnormally dry conditions here in the month of November,

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<v Speaker 5>and that is the highest number on record since such

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So what normally would be the if the figure

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<v Speaker 5>Be if you know, yeah, looking back, I mean it

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<v Speaker 5>closer to fifty percent sixty percent kind of in that ballpark.

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<v Speaker 5>So to have you know eighty seven percent. That that's

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<v Speaker 5>a record for all months, not just November. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>Notable and obviously very anomalous, which which is another concern.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the end of the year, will it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of even out? I know, we had a fairly wet

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<v Speaker 2>even out by the end of the year. We have

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<v Speaker 2>some rain coming in here according to our weather forecasters,

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<v Speaker 2>fairly significant rain Wednesday into Thursday, maybe even into Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you probably gave a peek at the forecast.

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<v Speaker 2>Will it? Will it? You know, will it? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>think even out towards the end of the year, maybe

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, we've seen deficits across Massachusetts as high

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<v Speaker 5>as eight or more inches across parts of the state.

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<v Speaker 5>these are these are pretty significant rainfall deficits. When you're

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<v Speaker 5>talking about you know, a magnitude of that high, that's

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<v Speaker 5>two to three, you know, months worth of rain that

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<v Speaker 5>you're you're needing to kind of make up. Now, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you do have that rain event coming in on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 5>and that looks to bring maybe about an inch of

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<v Speaker 5>that'll help. But you know, when you're talking about deficits

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<v Speaker 5>that are you know, eight to ten times that amount,

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<v Speaker 5>it's going to take some time. So you know, I

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<v Speaker 5>think at this point we are seeing that pattern of

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<v Speaker 5>dryness start to ease back a little bit. That's the

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<v Speaker 5>good news. And I suspect there will be some more

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<v Speaker 5>storm systems to come as we enter December that will

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<v Speaker 5>bring some beneficial rain. But what you don't want is

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<v Speaker 5>a whole heap or rain in a short period of time.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, we all love pumpkin pion Thanksgiving, but you

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<v Speaker 5>eat too much of it. You know, you come away

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<v Speaker 5>You don't want too much rain in one big storm

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<v Speaker 5>because that'll lead to flooding and the opposite problem. So

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<v Speaker 5>we want kind of gentler, sustained rainfall that's going to

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<v Speaker 5>bring you back. And we'll make a stride in that

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<v Speaker 5>direction here on Thursday, but indeed we will, we will

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Ben, it was a pleasure to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Learned a lot. I really mean that. Honestly, you seem

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<v Speaker 2>like a rock solid guy. The Washington Post love to

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<v Speaker 2>use you more often, particularly when you get back here

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<v Speaker 2>to the East coast of America. We could check in

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<v Speaker 2>with you sometime. How soon will you be back? Will you,

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so, as you can imagine, it's a quite a journey,

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<v Speaker 5>and it's quite a process, so, you know, selling a house, relocating,

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<v Speaker 5>getting you know, my feet on the ground there probably

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<v Speaker 5>next year, twenty twenty five is what I'm aiming for.

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<v Speaker 5>But it was great to be on with you tonight, Dan,

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<v Speaker 5>And yeah, I look forward to touching base in the

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<v Speaker 5>future and hoping for an easy transition into winter and

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<v Speaker 5>exactly the right amount of rain for your listeners there

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<v Speaker 5>in the Boston area.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben no of the Washington Post meteorologists of the Washington Post,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks very much. I appreciate your time and hope you

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<v Speaker 2>have a great Thanksgiving. I don't know if they celebrate

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<v Speaker 2>Thanksgiving down in New Zealand, but maybe you'll find some

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, thanks Dan, I'll be heading to Taco bell as

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<v Speaker 2>It's the tradition Thanksgiving then. Okay, I think the Pilgrims

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<v Speaker 2>did that too. Actually, hey, Ben, thanks very much. Talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you soon. Yeah, okay, we're going to thanks thanks Ben,

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Knowell of the Washington Post in New Zealand. And

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<v Speaker 2>now after the news at the bottom of the hour,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about the fact that eighty million

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<v Speaker 2>Americans we'll be traveling over this Thanksgiving holiday, which of

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<v Speaker 2>course is now a little more than a week away.

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<v Speaker 2>Jillian Young, director of public relations for tripa A Northeast,

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<v Speaker 2>will be with us. We'll talk with her, and later

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<v Speaker 2>on during this hour we'll talk about World Aid's Day

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<v Speaker 2>coming up on December first, my name is Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen to WBZ Boston's News Radio ten thirty on your

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and sixty five days a day a year

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty four seven Back on Nightside right after the

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<v Speaker 1>You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's

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<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome back everyone. Well, of course, as I

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<v Speaker 2>think all of us know, one of the busiest travel

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<v Speaker 2>days of any year, and maybe this one is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be Thanksgiving with us is Julian Young, director of

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<v Speaker 2>public relations for TRIPAA Northeast. Julian, the figure is eighty

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<v Speaker 2>million Americans expected to travel over Thanksgiving. What do they

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<v Speaker 2>mean by that? Not eighty million Americans on airplanes? What

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<v Speaker 2>is the is it if you travel more than fifty

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<v Speaker 7>It's a great question, Dan, so yes, the projection of

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<v Speaker 7>nearly eighty million travelers. Is anyone who is heading fifty

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<v Speaker 7>miles or more from their homes over the Thanksgiving qualiday period.

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<v Speaker 7>So those are folks who are traveling by car, some

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<v Speaker 7>are going to travel by air, and then we're also

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, now, how does that breakdown? I know that one

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<v Speaker 2>before Thanksgiving is our busiest travel day of the year

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that. How does this break down? Does

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<v Speaker 2>does it count like eighty million people go somewhere and

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<v Speaker 2>then the same eighty million people come back or is

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<v Speaker 2>it forty million people go and then forty million trips back.

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<v Speaker 2>I always get confused by that number.

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<v Speaker 7>So it's eighty million travelers total. So that's the total

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<v Speaker 7>number of people who are going to take trips. And

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<v Speaker 7>you mentioned Wednesday as the busiest day, and that is

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<v Speaker 7>certainly what we used to see. I think anyone who

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<v Speaker 7>Thanksgiving us in some pretty frustrating traffic. But what we've

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<v Speaker 7>out of the pandemic, is that the traffic patterns and

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<v Speaker 7>the travel patterns have shifted a little bit, and we're

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<v Speaker 7>now looking at also the Tuesday before Thanksgiving and the

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<v Speaker 7>Monday after the holiday as among the busiest travel days

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<v Speaker 2>So that sounds to me like the Thanksgiving weekend, like

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<v Speaker 2>most of our wastelines on Thanksgiving, is it.

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<v Speaker 7>Has expanded. Yeah, we've seen those. We've seen those travel

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<v Speaker 7>patterns expand over the last couple of years, partially because

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<v Speaker 7>people might have some more flexibility with work. They might

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<v Speaker 7>into that day before the holiday and the Sunday after

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<v Speaker 7>when it used to be that everyone was really traveling

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<v Speaker 2>How does this compare Obviously, in the last few years,

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<v Speaker 2>was at its height, and a lot of people stayed

421
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<v Speaker 2>close and there was probably less less big family dinners

422
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<v Speaker 2>and people were isolated and all of that, and then

423
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<v Speaker 2>the economy and COVID sort of has diminished. It's still there,

424
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<v Speaker 2>but it's diminished, and the travel picked up a little

425
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<v Speaker 2>bit in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three. How

426
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<v Speaker 2>does this Thanksgiving compare to maybe the Thanksgiving before COVID,

427
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<v Speaker 2>which would have been Thanksgiving of twenty nineteen, because that

428
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<v Speaker 2>seems to me to be the only two recent Thanksgivings

429
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<v Speaker 2>that are comparable.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you're absolutely right, Dan, And when we look at

431
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<v Speaker 7>the projection for this year compared to twenty nineteen, that

432
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<v Speaker 7>last Thanksgiving before the pandemic hit, we're looking at a

433
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<v Speaker 7>projection of two million more travelers this year than in

434
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<v Speaker 7>twenty nineteen. So we are breaking that pre pandemic record

435
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<v Speaker 7>or expected to for this year. And it's an increase

436
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<v Speaker 7>of one point seven million people from last year, so

437
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<v Speaker 7>we're really on the up if you compare simply to

438
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<v Speaker 7>last year or to twenty nineteen pre pandemic.

439
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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's kind of interesting because well, when you

440
00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:23.720
<v Speaker 2>think about it, our population as a country has I'm

441
00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:28.400
<v Speaker 2>sure grown substantially from twenty nineteen. That's five years. It

442
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<v Speaker 2>seems like every year when you hear the pop we

443
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<v Speaker 2>now have three hundred and twenty million. No, it's three

444
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<v Speaker 2>hundred and thirty million, And I kind of thought that

445
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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised that it was that high back in twenty nineteen,

446
00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:42.720
<v Speaker 2>to be honest with you, I mean that's a pretty

447
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<v Speaker 2>significant number if it was seventy eight million back in

448
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<v Speaker 2>twenty eighteen and we've only grown two million over period

449
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<v Speaker 2>to five years.

450
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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's a good point. You know, we haven't looked

451
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<v Speaker 7>at it against pop like greater population trends, but you've

452
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<v Speaker 7>sparked an idea, and I think now we might have

453
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<v Speaker 7>and make that comparison to see how those patterns align

454
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<v Speaker 7>or don't align. But what we've seen over the years

455
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<v Speaker 7>is that Thanksgiving has really always been the busiest holiday

456
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<v Speaker 7>for travel, and we've just seen travel demand really continue

457
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<v Speaker 7>to store post pandemic, and Thanksgiving is one of those

458
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<v Speaker 7>holidays where folks are looking to reconnect with family and friends,

459
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<v Speaker 7>maybe take a fun trip to a new destination, maybe

460
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<v Speaker 7>do both. And He've got a mix of those kind

461
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<v Speaker 7>of traditional road trips to family that we might think

462
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<v Speaker 7>of when we think of Thanksgiving, and also some folks

463
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<v Speaker 7>who are headed to a warmer destination and getting out

464
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<v Speaker 7>of dodge just as things get a little chilly around here.

465
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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's interesting, and I'm always trying to figure this

466
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<v Speaker 2>stuff out, but Thanksgiving is on the calendar perfectly situated

467
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<v Speaker 2>in that most parts of the country are not going

468
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<v Speaker 2>to be impacted by a big weather event, whereas a

469
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<v Speaker 2>Christmas our New Year's you can almost count and there'll

470
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<v Speaker 2>be some parts of the country which will a big

471
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<v Speaker 2>one the events. So therefore no one has deterred from

472
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:06.119
<v Speaker 2>making plans. And as you said, Thanksgiving is a lot

473
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:09.160
<v Speaker 2>simpler than Christmas. You get in the car and you go,

474
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<v Speaker 2>you know, over the river and through the woods to

475
00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:15.599
<v Speaker 2>grandma's house. Uh and and connect with your high school

476
00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:19.000
<v Speaker 2>buddies or your high school gal pals, and you can

477
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:21.559
<v Speaker 2>do all you know it's and of course family is

478
00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:23.319
<v Speaker 2>going to want to bring the kids back to see

479
00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:26.279
<v Speaker 2>the grandparents. It just seems to me that Thanksgiving, which

480
00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:30.079
<v Speaker 2>is such a great holiday, no pressure about give, gift

481
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:34.559
<v Speaker 2>giving or anything like that. Fun family food, football, It's

482
00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:37.799
<v Speaker 2>all good. You know, throw a couple of extra bottles

483
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:41.079
<v Speaker 2>of wine in the car so that you get an invitation,

484
00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:43.400
<v Speaker 2>last minute invitation. Always bring a bottle of wine. You

485
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:46.480
<v Speaker 2>don't have to do a whole lot. I mean, what's

486
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<v Speaker 2>there not to like about Thanksgiving?

487
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<v Speaker 7>You're so right, it really is the quintessential travel holiday.

488
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, look, I know you folks are going to

489
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<v Speaker 2>be keeping up with it. Jillian triple A does a

490
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<v Speaker 2>great job. I'm a member of Triple A. I pay

491
00:27:01.400 --> 00:27:03.039
<v Speaker 2>my dues every year, and I want you to know

492
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:06.160
<v Speaker 2>that Triple A has bailed me out on several occasions

493
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:10.279
<v Speaker 2>with a dead battery or a flat tire. So's it's

494
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:12.759
<v Speaker 2>one organization I'm very proud to be a part of

495
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:15.960
<v Speaker 2>and I feel that I get my money's worth. And

496
00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:20.400
<v Speaker 2>I advise anyone to consider becoming a member of Triple A.

497
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:24.119
<v Speaker 2>And that's a that's an unpaid promotional announcement. That's one

498
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:26.359
<v Speaker 2>that I truly do believe it. I mean that seriously.

499
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<v Speaker 7>Well, thank you so much for saying that, and I'm

500
00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:31.039
<v Speaker 7>so glad that we have been able to help you

501
00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:33.039
<v Speaker 7>in those times when you need it. That is certainly

502
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:37.079
<v Speaker 7>one of the great benefits of Triple A membership. I've

503
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:39.039
<v Speaker 7>been I've been helped myself.

504
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No. And they'll they'll almost tell you if they

505
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:45.640
<v Speaker 2>say that someone's twenty minutes away, you can take that

506
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:47.559
<v Speaker 2>to the bank. If they tell you it's really busy

507
00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:50.039
<v Speaker 2>and it's going to be two hours, you can take

508
00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:53.200
<v Speaker 2>that to the bank as well. But they do not

509
00:27:55.559 --> 00:28:00.920
<v Speaker 2>they do not over promise. They promise accurately and they

510
00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:03.079
<v Speaker 2>deliver so anyway, I just wanted to say that I

511
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<v Speaker 2>haven't never had a chance to mention that on the air,

512
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:08.279
<v Speaker 2>but it's a I think it's a wise It's one

513
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:12.039
<v Speaker 2>of the probably the wisest membership that I've been involved in.

514
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<v Speaker 2>So thank you very much. We talking again. Happy Thanksgiving, Jillian.

515
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<v Speaker 7>Happy Thanksgiving to you, Dan. Thank you.

516
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<v Speaker 2>All right, we come back on to talk about another

517
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:24.799
<v Speaker 2>subject which was a huge news story in the nineteen eighties,

518
00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:29.279
<v Speaker 2>a's and thank god, thank goodness that even though World

519
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Age Day will come up again on December first every year,

520
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:37.759
<v Speaker 2>it seems that the AIDE story about the number of

521
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:41.480
<v Speaker 2>people impacted, et cetera, is heading in the right direction.

522
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Let's put it like that. I be talking with Jeremy Shaefer,

523
00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:47.119
<v Speaker 2>registered nurse with outer Cape Health Services, right after this

524
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:48.240
<v Speaker 2>break on Nightside.

525
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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

526
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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

527
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<v Speaker 2>On December first, the world will recognize once again World

528
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<v Speaker 2>Age Day with us as Jeffrey Schaeffer. He's a registered

529
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:10.079
<v Speaker 2>nurse with out a Cape Health Services. Jeffrey, in all

530
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:13.599
<v Speaker 2>the big stories of recent years, have people started to

531
00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:15.119
<v Speaker 2>forget about AIDS?

532
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:21.559
<v Speaker 3>Thanks for having me, Dan, I think that I think

533
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:25.440
<v Speaker 3>that it's probably a good thing that it is not

534
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:28.480
<v Speaker 3>on the forefront of news, and that means that it's

535
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:29.759
<v Speaker 3>not what it.

536
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:31.319
<v Speaker 4>Was in the eighties and nineties.

537
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<v Speaker 6>So I think I think it's tempered with a little

538
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:39.599
<v Speaker 6>bit of good news. That it might not be getting

539
00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:47.799
<v Speaker 6>the attention, but it's not quite the threat that it

540
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:48.680
<v Speaker 6>was back then.

541
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's talk. Let's just bring people up to

542
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:54.920
<v Speaker 2>date here. I assume that you know a lot more

543
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:57.119
<v Speaker 2>about this than I do, So I'm gonna ask some questions.

544
00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:59.599
<v Speaker 2>It might be dumb questions, but feel free to tell

545
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:04.039
<v Speaker 2>me that questions or answer whatever that is. Is age

546
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:09.839
<v Speaker 2>age as prevalent today amongst you know, we'll just talk

547
00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:12.960
<v Speaker 2>to the American public. We can talk worldwide, whatever way

548
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:15.079
<v Speaker 2>you want to talk about it, and it might be different.

549
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.359
<v Speaker 2>Is it as prevalent today as it was at its

550
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<v Speaker 2>height in the late eighties early nineties.

551
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<v Speaker 6>No, And I mean I'm going to go geographically. You know,

552
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.759
<v Speaker 6>there are different places, but there's a lot more in

553
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.960
<v Speaker 6>our toolbox now than there was back then. And so

554
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:41.000
<v Speaker 6>back then we only had abstinence either from whatever puts

555
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:41.359
<v Speaker 6>you at.

556
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:43.319
<v Speaker 2>Risk or.

557
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:52.359
<v Speaker 6>Also and condoms, you know, and now we have things like,

558
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:55.279
<v Speaker 6>you know, like we test the blood, you know, so

559
00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.400
<v Speaker 6>if you're you know, feliac, you know you're not going

560
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:02.039
<v Speaker 6>to get it from the blood supply. You There are

561
00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:07.680
<v Speaker 6>treat Also, if you're HIV positive and you're on treatment

562
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:12.079
<v Speaker 6>and you get down to undetectable, then you cannot transmit it, uh,

563
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:16.599
<v Speaker 6>sexually to another human being, so you're not at risk

564
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:21.000
<v Speaker 6>of transmitting it. And then there are other biomedical interventions

565
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:27.799
<v Speaker 6>either post or pre exposure, you know, to prevent transmission.

566
00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:30.799
<v Speaker 6>So there's a lot more in our toolbox uh than

567
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:31.799
<v Speaker 6>there was back then.

568
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it's interesting the term undetectable. Does that mean that? Well,

569
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<v Speaker 2>let me phrase the question this way. Obviously there's been

570
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:49.720
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people are much more careful who, you know,

571
00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:55.640
<v Speaker 2>engage in certain sexual activities. I suspect because obviously when

572
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<v Speaker 2>AIDS came, no one knew what it was, no one

573
00:31:58.039 --> 00:32:00.960
<v Speaker 2>knew where it came from, and people were in a

574
00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:04.880
<v Speaker 2>total panic. Okay, so the situation age is much more

575
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:11.079
<v Speaker 2>controlled at this point. Undetectability could that could could that

576
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:16.720
<v Speaker 2>uh sort of provide a resurgence that if people think

577
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:22.599
<v Speaker 2>that's undetectable and you can't transmit it. Therefore, maybe people

578
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:25.359
<v Speaker 2>allow their guards to drop down. Is there is there

579
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<v Speaker 2>any potential downside to that in a longer.

580
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<v Speaker 4>In in the long run, well, it's an interesting question.

581
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<v Speaker 6>I don't know if there's a downside to not getting

582
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<v Speaker 6>h I V. I think that if what I'm.

583
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<v Speaker 2>Saying is that if you if you're undetectable and therefore

584
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:51.200
<v Speaker 2>you become you know, more active, does that put you know,

585
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:54.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, does that put you again you're in a

586
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.000
<v Speaker 2>comfort zone, more of a comfortable set of circumstances. That

587
00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:59.519
<v Speaker 2>that does that put you at at a at a

588
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<v Speaker 2>risk of being reattected.

589
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:04.519
<v Speaker 4>Is what I was trying to get at.

590
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<v Speaker 6>No, if you're undetectable, you still have it. And so

591
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.720
<v Speaker 6>there and so in the what they call reservoirs, which

592
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:15.519
<v Speaker 6>are you know, basically in the DNA of some of

593
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:19.200
<v Speaker 6>the white blood cells, is still the code for HID.

594
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<v Speaker 6>But if you stop taking your medication, it starts replicating again,

595
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:26.720
<v Speaker 6>and so you do get the virus, and so that

596
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:29.480
<v Speaker 6>what that does, that keeps it at bay and so

597
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:37.480
<v Speaker 6>you you know, if you have a house full of zombies,

598
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.160
<v Speaker 6>you know, and then you've got locks on the house.

599
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:42.400
<v Speaker 6>If you take those locks away.

600
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:44.000
<v Speaker 4>And they get out, you know, like there's more.

601
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.759
<v Speaker 6>But if you get it back in there, they're still

602
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:52.640
<v Speaker 6>in there, you know, and they're still ris But what

603
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:58.000
<v Speaker 6>what it's doing for you? Let's so being undetectable as

604
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:00.279
<v Speaker 6>advantage in two different ways. One of them for the

605
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:04.839
<v Speaker 6>person who's living with HIV is that it your body

606
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:11.000
<v Speaker 6>is not constantly fighting the virus and so there's less inflammation.

607
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:13.800
<v Speaker 6>There's less things that cause you to get other comorbidities

608
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:16.920
<v Speaker 6>or other things that might lead to AIDS and being

609
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:21.920
<v Speaker 6>sick and getting opportunistic infections if you are. The benefit

610
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:26.760
<v Speaker 6>to others is that it's one of the methods of

611
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:30.199
<v Speaker 6>prevention is called treatment is prevention, meaning that the more

612
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.800
<v Speaker 6>people that are on treatment and are undetectable, the less

613
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:37.440
<v Speaker 6>chance it is of spreading. And so kind of like

614
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:42.519
<v Speaker 6>you know, if you have herpies and you're taking valve cyclopear,

615
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:46.159
<v Speaker 6>you know, it keeps it depressed so that you know,

616
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:48.679
<v Speaker 6>if you don't get an outbreak and you don't transmit

617
00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:51.000
<v Speaker 6>it leads.

618
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<v Speaker 2>How long has undetectability been possible? Is that a relatively

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<v Speaker 2>recent breakthrough?

620
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:06.000
<v Speaker 6>I think the I don't know exactly it was coined,

621
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<v Speaker 6>but more and more studies have shown that it's probably

622
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:17.039
<v Speaker 6>been more than ten years that we've known this, and

623
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<v Speaker 6>probably around the same time. I mean, I can't see exactly,

624
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<v Speaker 6>but I would say at least ten years or more

625
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:26.960
<v Speaker 6>that we've known it for sure because we've done They've

626
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<v Speaker 6>done studies with couples who are monogamous and who one

627
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:37.519
<v Speaker 6>is living with HIV but does not have a viral load.

628
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<v Speaker 6>The other person is not living with HIV and they're

629
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:47.480
<v Speaker 6>not using barrier protection. There's been no transmissions. So that's

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<v Speaker 6>the way that they've proved it.

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<v Speaker 4>And it is Yeah, is.

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<v Speaker 2>There I only got a minute left, as they say

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<v Speaker 2>in anticipation of World Aid's Day. Yeah, is there? Is

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<v Speaker 2>there a hope that this virus can be isolated and eliminated?

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<v Speaker 6>Uh, you know, they're always, you know, looking into different things.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a little bit more difficult than like, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>we've been able to cure HEC, but HIV is still

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<v Speaker 6>elusive because of where it's hidden in the reservoirs. But

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<v Speaker 6>I think that if enough people get you know, there's

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<v Speaker 6>so much stigma about having HIV that you know, it's

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<v Speaker 6>really important to you know, reduce the stigma about having

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<v Speaker 6>it because if you happen to have had, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>gotten it. It's important to get tested either through your

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<v Speaker 6>primary care it's part of primary care now, or at

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<v Speaker 6>a local testing resource, which you can get by just

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<v Speaker 6>doing HIV testing near me. You can find some confidential

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<v Speaker 6>places and there's even some over the counter things that

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<v Speaker 6>you can find, you know, so whatever, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot, a lot, a lot of progress in a

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<v Speaker 2>in a battle that now has been decades against AIDS,

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<v Speaker 2>AIDS HIV. Yeah, thanks very much Jeffrey for your time.

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<v Speaker 2>And what you do is do you want to is

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<v Speaker 2>there a point that you would reference somewhere that people

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<v Speaker 2>can get information easily just google it and I assume

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<v Speaker 2>at this point it's so much so.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you can. You can google HIV testing near me

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<v Speaker 6>out in Cape cod. You know, there's the program that

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<v Speaker 6>I run tests and treat runs out of our provincetown location,

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<v Speaker 6>and there's other Uh, if you googled HIV testing near me,

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<v Speaker 6>you're going to find some places that are near you

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<v Speaker 6>that can provide confidential testing. And and also yep, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Just saying thank you very much, Jeffrey. We're run up

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<v Speaker 2>against the nine o'clock news. Thank you for the work

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<v Speaker 2>you do and continued success.

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<v Speaker 4>My friend, thanks for having me, Dan, You're very welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get back here on nice side, right after

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<v Speaker 2>nine o'clock news is going to be talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>possibility of offshore wind off the coast of New England,

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<v Speaker 2>and Dustin Delano of the New England fisher and Stewardship

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<v Speaker 2>Association is very much opposed. We'll talk with Dustin right

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<v Speaker 2>after the nine o'clock news on nightside