Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w BZY Boston's
Speaker 1: news video.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Kyle. I will tell you off
Speaker 2: the top, things are gonna be a little bit different
Speaker 2: over the next couple of days. I am really burnt
Speaker 2: when it comes to politics. I'm gonna we're gonna kick
Speaker 2: off the show talking about politics. We are gonna do that,
Speaker 2: but for the next couple of nights, I have to
Speaker 2: tell you we're getting away from it. Okay, I'm spent,
Speaker 2: I'm burnt. I gotta be honest with you. After the election,
Speaker 2: I have shut off media. I really have, which for
Speaker 2: as a talk show host is probably not the right
Speaker 2: thing to say. So if I if I'm misinformed on something,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you right now. Don't be surprised.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: Just before the election. I was just swamped with it.
Speaker 2: And it's not because Trump won, That's not it at all.
Speaker 2: I was just burned out on all of it, just
Speaker 2: all of it. And then of course the post doom
Speaker 2: and gloom from the Democrats and from people who voted
Speaker 2: for Kamala Harris is just nauseating to me. Drives me crazy.
Speaker 2: The end of the world is coming. It's the end
Speaker 2: of the world is not coming. It's not coming, all right,
Speaker 2: It's we're going to be fine. Things didn't go the
Speaker 2: way you wanted them to, and in hindsight, you shouldn't
Speaker 2: be surprised. And I'll get to that in a minute.
Speaker 2: But coming up on the show tonight, why women voted
Speaker 2: for Trump? Now? Six seven thirty. If you are a
Speaker 2: woman and you voted for Trump, just give me a
Speaker 2: call right now and tell me why. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to challenge you. I mean, you have every right, but
Speaker 2: forty six percent of women voted for Trump, according to Exopoles.
Speaker 2: We reached out to three women to try to get
Speaker 2: them on the show, and I could not get them
Speaker 2: on the show. So then I went to my buddy,
Speaker 2: John Keller from WBZTV CBS News Boston, political analyst John
Speaker 2: Keller CBOUS News Boston to me, it's still Channel four,
Speaker 2: it's WBZ. I'm sorry, And then political analyst Anthony Russo
Speaker 2: will be joining us to talk about what happened with
Speaker 2: the election and why women voted for Trump as opposed
Speaker 2: to Kamma, especially women in their thirties. We thought this
Speaker 2: brat coalition was going to be the difference women sixty
Speaker 2: five plus sixty plus because they were concerned about social security.
Speaker 2: The vice president received their votes, and also when it
Speaker 2: came to minorities too, African Americans Latinos didn't go the
Speaker 2: way the Dems thought. Now you know how I felt,
Speaker 2: because I told you, and I have voted on both
Speaker 2: sides of the isle. I have voted for Republicans, I
Speaker 2: have voted for Democrats. And when Trump ran in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: I called it. You can I'll have to get my
Speaker 2: cousin Rob on the phone because he was there when
Speaker 2: I said it. I said, this guy is going to win.
Speaker 2: This guy's got momentum. And he had it again this
Speaker 2: time around, and he won fair and square. He won
Speaker 2: fair and square, there's no need for a recount, and
Speaker 2: so forth and so on. But I didn't vote for
Speaker 2: him because of what happened on January sixth. That really
Speaker 2: bothered me. That really got to me. That was that
Speaker 2: happens in other countries, not here. Then you can make
Speaker 2: the argument, if he wasn't elected, it may have happened again.
Speaker 2: The fact that he's in office means it might not happen.
Speaker 2: That we might be more secure with these public outre
Speaker 2: who knows it come from. It could come from the
Speaker 2: other side of the isle. It could be an angry
Speaker 2: mob of liberals attacking Congress. You don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: who knows. But the bottom line is it was the
Speaker 2: lesser of two evils, even when you know, and now,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna ask John about this, we shouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 2: But there's all kinds of rhetoric from the Republican side
Speaker 2: about how it was a landslide victory, and you know,
Speaker 2: it was on all the political Sunday morning shows. Other
Speaker 2: Republicans came on, you know, Stephanopolis, John Carr was on
Speaker 2: you know this week where they meet the press. Now,
Speaker 2: the Republicans are saying a landslide victory, and it really
Speaker 2: wasn't It was like one percent. I mean when it
Speaker 2: comes to the popular vote, it was much closer than that.
Speaker 2: But a win is a win is a win. So
Speaker 2: but should we be surprised? I mean, this is what
Speaker 2: the Republicans do. Trump has been lying ever since he
Speaker 2: ran in twenty sixteen. And it doesn't matter because people
Speaker 2: voted with their pocketbooks. That's what happened. But I was
Speaker 2: shocked at the number of women that voted for him.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a guy that is on tape.
Speaker 2: He is on tape when he was talking. I can't
Speaker 2: remember who's the guy. Uh oh, Bob Billy Bush, right,
Speaker 2: Billy Bush, the nephew of George w or grand nephew
Speaker 2: of George Herbert Walker whatever, who was on that Access
Speaker 2: Hollywood thing. And he's talking to Trump and the Winnebago
Speaker 2: and the tape is rolling and Trump is talking about
Speaker 2: grabbing a woman's vagina. Of course I'm being kind. He
Speaker 2: used the other term. And the charges that have been
Speaker 2: you know, for paying prostitutes to shut up, sexual abuse,
Speaker 2: sexually attacking women men, those charges have been dropped, by
Speaker 2: the way, because they're not going to prosecute a president.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. Women don't care, No one cares, No
Speaker 2: one cares, did not matter, did not incurate the equation. Now,
Speaker 2: to be fair, Monica Lewinsky smoking the cigar in the
Speaker 2: oval office, Bill Clinton, what's the diff Well, the diff
Speaker 2: is that it seems like miss Lewinsky, there was a
Speaker 2: it wasn't sexual assault. We had willing participants, as they say,
Speaker 2: and the Trump charges that wasn't. That wasn't necessarily the case.
Speaker 2: But we can't sit there and say on the Democrat
Speaker 2: side of things that past presidents have had a high
Speaker 2: moral ground. I've always said, let's face it, when it
Speaker 2: comes to power, there is something about men in power
Speaker 2: and the attraction to multiple women. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 2: been written about, it talked about allegedly obviously with John F. Kennedy,
Speaker 2: Martin Luther King, Donald Trump, Clinton, the big womanizer. Now,
Speaker 2: I can't imagine Ronald Reagan would have dared to treat
Speaker 2: a Nancy because she would have put his scrutaman of vice.
Speaker 2: You know it, and I know it. If I'm Ronald Reagan,
Speaker 2: there's no way I am not cheating on Nancy, No
Speaker 2: way in hell. I mean, but the fact that politicians
Speaker 2: cheat on their significant others, we've just accepted it. No
Speaker 2: one cares. They vote, They vote with their pocketbook. Minorities,
Speaker 2: African Americans, Latinos, some people just can't vote for a woman.
Speaker 2: There are women that just can't vote for a woman.
Speaker 2: I mean, Hillary Clinton should have won. She is so
Speaker 2: who she's She was as qualified as her husband. She's
Speaker 2: a brilliant woman, certainly more qualified than Trump. People didn't
Speaker 2: like her, and you know what they looked at Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris as a lightweight, and I get it. The only
Speaker 2: thing she came out with was mid level tax breaks,
Speaker 2: middle of coup tax breaks. Right, that was pretty much it.
Speaker 2: But people want jobs, jobs, you know. But here's another
Speaker 2: thing with jobs that I don't get. I mean, and
Speaker 2: this is I'm gonna sound like a stupid suburban sob.
Speaker 2: I went to a restaurant the other night and four
Speaker 2: or five tables were open, and they said, we can't
Speaker 2: seat you. I said, what we could because we only
Speaker 2: have one waiter. We can't find anybody else to work.
Speaker 2: So it seems there are service jobs people don't want them.
Speaker 2: I mean, I had a lot of friends when I
Speaker 2: was young. I was always working in radio. And believe me,
Speaker 2: my friends who were waiters and bartenders when I was
Speaker 2: working in radio when I was in my twenties or
Speaker 2: making more money than me because they could make a
Speaker 2: lot more on tips than I ever could make a
Speaker 2: minimum wage spinning the disks and the platters of matter.
Speaker 2: But people brought it with their pocketbook. They think, Okay,
Speaker 2: the economy was good when Trump was anough it. You know,
Speaker 2: it's interesting, there's some parallelism here, folks. When Clinton was
Speaker 2: in office, the budget was balanced, the economy was great,
Speaker 2: and he was messing around allegedly with a cigar and
Speaker 2: Monica Lewinsky in the Oval office. Trump, the economy's great.
Speaker 2: He's talking gibberish about COVID. He never made sense. Once
Speaker 2: the guy gets up on stage and dances for three
Speaker 2: minutes and doesn't say anything, and he talks about grabbing
Speaker 2: a woman's genitals and says that she loves it. It's
Speaker 2: on tape. So this guy's a disgusting pig, just like Clinton.
Speaker 2: But you know what it's, I mean, stupid. If we
Speaker 2: think we can make a butt buck, we'll put Satan
Speaker 2: in office. Absolutely. Okay. John Keller, who's much smarter than
Speaker 2: I'm on this, is going to join me. Next we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about Trump, the woman, the female vote,
Speaker 2: that all that stuff. Anthony Russo too joined us later
Speaker 2: in the hour. Then we're going to get into some
Speaker 2: Patriots talk and also NFL talking general with Paul Perrilla.
Speaker 2: Andy Gresh on frying a turkey at ten o'clock, The
Speaker 2: Gresh Monster on deep frying a turkey, which scares the
Speaker 2: hell out of me. I've heard too many stories. There
Speaker 2: are too many stories on YouTube that you could see
Speaker 2: or frying a turkey or burn a house down. And
Speaker 2: my man, the freak from the Left Coast, Sam Mettler
Speaker 2: joins us, and he said Trump's gonna win. He knew it,
Speaker 2: he predicted it. We are technically directed by Rob Brooks
Speaker 2: tonight and Lightning LaRosa, Marita LaRosa doing a great job
Speaker 2: putting the show together. Tonight, John Keller joins, it's next
Speaker 2: on WBC's Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Danner's the week off Gary Tank. We filling it for
Speaker 2: Dan right tonight and tomorrow night Aaron WBC's night Side,
Speaker 2: and we're doing our homework, folks. Yes, we are doing
Speaker 2: a little bit of politics and then we're going to
Speaker 2: get into the fun stuff. No heavy lifting this week,
Speaker 2: That's what I say. John Keller is the man. I've
Speaker 2: known him for a long time since we worked at
Speaker 2: the TV station with a frog on the logo and
Speaker 2: now political analyst John Keller joins us from CBS. John,
Speaker 2: thanks are coming on. I just want to and I
Speaker 2: want to say this. We tried to get women on.
Speaker 2: I tried to get three political analysts. Who are women
Speaker 2: to talk about this? And I couldn't do it. They
Speaker 2: weren't available, they didn't want to talk to me. Whatever.
Speaker 2: But the fact John, that women turned out for Trump?
Speaker 2: How surprised are you?
Speaker 3: So I'm the closest thing a woman you could get. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's kind of grim, Gary. Yeah, you know women turned
Speaker 3: out for Trump. Why wouldn't they because all women care
Speaker 3: about his abortion rights?
Speaker 2: No, we know.
Speaker 3: That's not true, and and you know historically that that
Speaker 3: hasn't necessarily been true. Yes, it's an important issue for
Speaker 3: many women, But women in Massachusetts and elsewhere are driven
Speaker 3: by James Carville's old maxim. Gary. You know, the economy
Speaker 3: is number one, particularly when the economy is tough, And
Speaker 3: I would argue, at the risk of you know, sounding
Speaker 3: politically incorrect, that women, as the more common caretakers of
Speaker 3: the family budget, are even more sensitive than men are
Speaker 3: too economic pressures, inflation, housing costs, transportation costs, you name it.
Speaker 3: So it doesn't surprise me one bit that even here
Speaker 3: in Massachusetts you saw a drift of women. I would
Speaker 3: argue more away from Bikeen than toward Trump.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, yes, yes, yes, yeah, the lesser
Speaker 2: of two evils in their mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know it. That's the way it works.
Speaker 3: The incumbent gets the blame for the way things are.
Speaker 3: Trump was blamed for how terrible things were in the
Speaker 3: fall of twenty twenty by many voters enough to elect
Speaker 3: Joe Biden from his basement. And now it was Biden's
Speaker 3: turn in the torture shaper. And so, you know, I
Speaker 3: don't think it should come as a surprise, and I
Speaker 3: think it's it's in here in Massachusetts with what I
Speaker 3: have called in writing, I've done about this sort of
Speaker 3: the purpling of the Massachusetts electorate. You know, every once
Speaker 3: in a while we're supposedly the bluest state, right, but
Speaker 3: every once in a while we like a Republican in there.
Speaker 3: We have the string of Republican governors that was the
Speaker 3: Scott Brown uprising of twenty ten. And look, people, voters
Speaker 3: are willing to overlook a lot in times of stress,
Speaker 3: economic stress, a bizarre and unhappy situation like the period
Speaker 3: after nine to eleven when Bush was re elected, and
Speaker 3: a lot of voters will overlook disagreements they might have,
Speaker 3: women might have with a candidate on a or they
Speaker 3: might overlook a low view of the candidate's character in
Speaker 3: order to vote for them. They did it for Bill
Speaker 3: Clinton in nineteen ninety six, and a lot of them
Speaker 3: did it for Donald Trump this year.
Speaker 2: Gary Well, I just mentioned Clinton off the top of
Speaker 2: the show because the hole Monica Lewinsky thing and the
Speaker 2: cigar in the office, and Trump is recorded with Billy Bush,
Speaker 2: you know, talking about women's body parts and grabbing them,
Speaker 2: And I go, you can make the say on's a Democrat,
Speaker 2: whence a Republican. Nobody cares, you know, like nobody cares women.
Speaker 2: They know, Okay, that's fine, they're both pigs. What are
Speaker 2: they going to do for my pocketbook? I mean, that's
Speaker 2: that's where That's kind of where we're at, where we're
Speaker 2: at with this, I think. But I want to get
Speaker 2: I have talked to a lot of women who are
Speaker 2: very smart, educated, and going back to Hillary, they did
Speaker 2: not like her. They just didn't like her, but they
Speaker 2: knew she was smart. I mean, she's obviously a rugged woman.
Speaker 2: She's not exactly the most friendly woman in the world.
Speaker 2: Now here we go, Kamala. Now, she's not look to
Speaker 2: be an attorney, to be a to accomplish what she
Speaker 2: has accomplished. She's obviously not stupid, but I think some
Speaker 2: women viewed her as a lightweight. What did she stand for?
Speaker 2: Is she just all about the laugh? What's going on here?
Speaker 2: Is she just hanging out with Oprah?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: I mean that's what I kind of felt people thought
Speaker 2: about Harris. She was a lightweight.
Speaker 3: She came across I'll shy away from the lightweight term,
Speaker 3: but she certainly did come across as a typical Paul
Speaker 3: you know, the non answer, right right, right right? The
Speaker 3: ducking the press for a while. Interesting how everybody hates
Speaker 3: the press until a candidate starts ducking them, and then
Speaker 3: everybody wants that candidate to sit down and talk to
Speaker 3: the press. But that's a whole other issue. Look, the
Speaker 3: premise that women are going to vote for a woman
Speaker 3: because she's a woman is definitely not true. Some will,
Speaker 3: some will, of course, but some won't. And some women
Speaker 3: aggressively won't vote for a woman. And you can say
Speaker 3: that about any other ethnic group. This is why identity
Speaker 3: politics has turned out to be such a bust for
Speaker 3: the Democrats, right, because it's just not as potent has
Speaker 3: perhaps it once was.
Speaker 2: Well, I could tell you I've talked to some you know,
Speaker 2: I have. My son is, you know, nineteen, and you know,
Speaker 2: I talk to a lot of his friends and some
Speaker 2: and just because you're nineteen twenty twenty, that doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you're a demic anymore. It doesn't. It does not. Some
Speaker 2: I've talked to some of these kids in college and stuff.
Speaker 2: They're thinking with their pocketbook. They all have their own
Speaker 2: stock market accounts, they're all thinking about being self employed.
Speaker 2: They don't they realize that you're not going to have
Speaker 2: a thirty five year gold watch. So I think the
Speaker 2: idea that the Brat generation for men and women is
Speaker 2: liberal is a mistake.
Speaker 3: Certainly not automatically liberal, right, you know, even in a
Speaker 3: place like Massachusetts. You know, I've as I've been talking
Speaker 3: to groups and such since the election. My snappy little
Speaker 3: over generalization that I've been giving them is that this
Speaker 3: was to some extent a barstool election. And to those
Speaker 3: that don't know, Barstool Sports is a very popular website
Speaker 3: that caters to young men and some young women, but
Speaker 3: mainly young men, you know, the mid teens up into
Speaker 3: the late twenties and maybe a little bit beyond. Sixty
Speaker 3: six million regular viewers of that website, and the attitude
Speaker 3: toward politics that prevails on barstool is there are all
Speaker 3: a bunch of bombs. Who's going to help me make money?
Speaker 3: And you know you gave the litany pretty well, who's tough,
Speaker 3: who's tough on crime? Right? Tougher? So this is kind
Speaker 3: of a red meat eating political demographic and it's very potent,
Speaker 3: and that they were Trump all the way.
Speaker 2: I just remember when Barstool was a newspaper and when Portnoy,
Speaker 2: I won't call him Priz, I call him Portnoy' I
Speaker 2: refused to call him and he used to just rip
Speaker 2: me and it would be on a bar, it would
Speaker 2: be on a literally in a barstool, and it was
Speaker 2: a newspaper. Was tangwe is a blank hole because I
Speaker 2: said something about the Celtics of the Patriots. Who knows, right,
Speaker 2: But I was on the headline of Barstool. It's like
Speaker 2: I tell my son that, Like, you know, I was
Speaker 2: on the headline of Barstool before it was a website.
Speaker 2: And boy, I mean Dave Portnoy and you can say
Speaker 2: there's a lot of there's there's a lot going on there,
Speaker 2: but man, that thing took off just like Rogan. Look
Speaker 2: at Rogan, right, I mean people say Trump, maybe Rogan
Speaker 2: won the election for Trump. Three hundred and thirty million
Speaker 2: people watched it.
Speaker 3: And you know this doesn't lend itself to traditional definitions
Speaker 3: political distinctions like conservative or or reactionary. I mean mean
Speaker 3: this is more neolistic.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And and you know, listen, how how irredeemable is anyone
Speaker 3: who would criticize Gary Tangling that way? I mean it's
Speaker 3: a disgrace.
Speaker 2: I got street credit with my kid when I told
Speaker 2: him that. Still, if I see I go Portne, I
Speaker 2: can't believe you pull this off. I remember when the
Speaker 2: guy was like he had nothing, and look what happened.
Speaker 2: I mean, same thing with Rogan. I mean Rogan, he's
Speaker 2: a Boston guy too. Rogan was a comedian just and
Speaker 2: he stumbled onto this and look, boom crazy.
Speaker 3: He still is a comedian.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean it's all entertainment. That's the thing.
Speaker 2: You know something that's it's all entertainment, all of.
Speaker 3: It, right, Well, you know that that's what sells. And listen. Uh.
Speaker 3: Whatever your opinion of Donald Trump, of his character, of
Speaker 3: anything having to do with him, his confidence, et cetera,
Speaker 3: there is no denying that he is the most brilliant
Speaker 3: self marketer of our of modern times, no question. I
Speaker 3: mean he has made more out of less than any
Speaker 3: living American. And to the extent that politics has just
Speaker 3: become enfotainment and is all about the marketing, then no
Speaker 3: wonder he's achieved such remarkable success. And you know, that's
Speaker 3: that's the way. If that's the way the game is played.
Speaker 3: You know, in the NBA, to use the sports analogy here,
Speaker 3: if three punt shooting is the way you win the
Speaker 3: title and that's what the Celtics do better than anybody else, well,
Speaker 3: you know what, that's the way it goes.
Speaker 2: That's the way it goes.
Speaker 3: If it offends some basketball s feats because they don't
Speaker 3: like the three pointer, too bad.
Speaker 2: My hero John Havlichek is looking down and shaking his head.
Speaker 2: Always hated the three. Hondo hated the three, just like
Speaker 2: I did a podcast with Bob Ryan today. Still hates
Speaker 2: the three, but it's here to stay. John, have a
Speaker 2: good Thanksgiving. Thank you for coming on. Good to talk
Speaker 2: to you again.
Speaker 3: Gary. It's great to hear your voice anytime, especially great
Speaker 3: to hear you on night side. You do a great
Speaker 3: job selling in for Dad.
Speaker 2: Have it fun. Thanks John, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Take care sure things by bye.
Speaker 2: Okay, He's the best. John Keller, I worked with him
Speaker 2: a Channel fifty six. Smart guy, bright guy, nails it
Speaker 2: every time. You can catch him on WBZ TV CBS
Speaker 2: News Boston. Anthony Russo is going to join us next.
Speaker 2: Then we're gonna get into some NFL talk and just
Speaker 2: do people even care about the patriots? That's coming up
Speaker 2: at nine o'clock right here with Paul Perila and WBZ.
Speaker 1: Night Side Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Rightyle, thanks a lot. I appreciated Gary Tangway for Dan
Speaker 2: Ray tonight. We're doing the homework till nine o'clock. Forty
Speaker 2: six percent of women voting for Trump according to exit polls.
Speaker 2: Just talk to my buddy, John Keller. We are going
Speaker 2: to talk about the dismal New England patriots, but I
Speaker 2: also want to talk about the rest of the NFL
Speaker 2: as well. With Paul Perilla. Coming up at nine, Andy
Speaker 2: Gresh joins us, talking about frying turkey and the craziest
Speaker 2: things you've ever had for Thanksgiving. Plus our moderate from California,
Speaker 2: which makes him a Republican out there, is going to
Speaker 2: join us. Sam Bettler at eleven o'clock. All right, Anthony
Speaker 2: Russer was there, Anthony, how are you? Thanks for joining
Speaker 2: us here on night side.
Speaker 4: Pretty good? How you doing well?
Speaker 2: We're doing fine. Thanks. So I'm gonna ask you. Like
Speaker 2: I said, I try to get women on political nis.
Speaker 2: I put calls out to three different people and I couldn't,
Speaker 2: so I rather than wing it, I wanted to talk
Speaker 2: to somebody that knows what they're talking about. I was
Speaker 2: not surprised that forty six percent of women voted for
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Were you.
Speaker 4: Not at all? And I think that again, it's a
Speaker 4: ques effect. Why it's that made the swing because I
Speaker 4: think the Democrats are expecting a sixty forty split on women,
Speaker 4: which would have taken the election, especially considering white suburban women,
Speaker 4: and they just did not get those numbers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Democrats are tone deaf. Now, in
Speaker 2: full disclosure, I voted for Harris. I voted Democrats. The
Speaker 2: whole January sixth thing bothered me. Yeah, it really bothered me.
Speaker 2: Like I if that didn't happen, I could have seen
Speaker 2: myself voting for Trump. I really could have because I
Speaker 2: was looking at Kamala Harris going I don't know if
Speaker 2: I don't, but Joe Biden could not run again, could
Speaker 2: not do it. And I was looking at you know, Harris,
Speaker 2: I go, I don't know what's going on here, but
Speaker 2: the January sixth thing threw me the other way.
Speaker 4: But there's I think the reporting on the January sixth
Speaker 4: thing is actually what was one of the the detractors
Speaker 4: from women, especially the white woman vote to going wait
Speaker 4: a second, I know some people that might have been there.
Speaker 4: I was one of them. There's people that had a
Speaker 4: little bit more knowledge. I think the way that they
Speaker 4: represented it the January sixth committee, I think a lot
Speaker 4: of the if people started to pay attention closer to
Speaker 4: the election, when some of the information got released, that
Speaker 4: a lot of that was trumped up. The fact that
Speaker 4: Pelosi really kind of knew that there was partially her
Speaker 4: fault with the video with her and her daughter in
Speaker 4: the car. I think that that's way not a huge amount,
Speaker 4: but one or two percent of people started to shift.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of reasons, like Kamala Harris being this
Speaker 4: selection that did people instead of instead of obviously doing
Speaker 4: a democratic process. But I think women started to see
Speaker 4: through that.
Speaker 2: Can you explain to detail. What do you say in
Speaker 2: specifically about January sixth, What are you speaking of that
Speaker 2: it wasn't as worse as as worse as betrayed.
Speaker 4: Well, right, if it's a if it's an armed insurrection,
Speaker 4: then then they didn't arrest anybody that had actual fire
Speaker 4: arms on them.
Speaker 2: There was Well yeah, but I mean look, Anthony, I mean,
Speaker 2: come on, man, I mean a guard died. I know,
Speaker 2: I mean they went they went over barricade.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Wait wait, wait when did a guard die?
Speaker 2: Wait one of the one of the one of the
Speaker 2: the security people from in the capitol had a heart attack.
Speaker 4: No, no, that's actually completely not true. Not a single
Speaker 4: police officer our guard died that day. Three days later,
Speaker 4: there was somebody that died.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: That was that they had claimed it been hit by
Speaker 4: a fire hydrant. He died of a stroke, which was
Speaker 4: twelfth page in the newspaper a few days later, saying
Speaker 4: that it actually was completely unrelated to.
Speaker 2: Anything January sixth.
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't think it was a good day in
Speaker 4: our in our history at all. Like, I think it
Speaker 4: looked very bad. I think all all the different metrics
Speaker 4: were were not good. I don't think Trump handled it incorrectly.
Speaker 4: He never told people to riot or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Anthony, he certainly didn't tell him to stand down.
Speaker 4: Well he did it afternoon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, was a little late. I mean, come on, come on, Trump,
Speaker 2: what happened?
Speaker 4: Well we got in fact, I don't I don't think
Speaker 4: he wanted that to happen. I think it was actually
Speaker 4: a pretty big trap that worked really well for the
Speaker 4: Democrats for several years. But I got to ask a
Speaker 4: question again. I like to be middle ground. I know
Speaker 4: I was at January sixth. I was there because I
Speaker 4: thought it was a good event to be at, to
Speaker 4: see it firsthand. I think it was important. But as
Speaker 4: somebody that is a newsman or somebody on the radio,
Speaker 4: the fact that even you are still representing a fact
Speaker 4: that didn't happen. There was no guard that died of
Speaker 4: a heart attack that day, the fact he died three.
Speaker 2: He died three days later. So what's the difference A
Speaker 2: guy still died. Come on, people, Anthony, and I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna I don't want to We're going to disagree on this.
Speaker 2: I don't care what.
Speaker 4: I don't care what you're misrepresenting. Fact.
Speaker 2: I am Oh, come on with Anthony, please, are you
Speaker 2: are you serious? People went over barricades, they went tramping
Speaker 2: through the halls. You had the vice president that was
Speaker 2: escorted out because you was concerned for his safety. You
Speaker 2: can't justify that. You can't justify that it.
Speaker 4: Was a bad day. I just said it was a
Speaker 4: bad day day and it.
Speaker 2: Worked, and keep Trump did another come on, it was
Speaker 2: an awful day. Yeah, it happens in other countries. That
Speaker 2: doesn't happen here.
Speaker 4: So so again, I know we're supposed to be talking
Speaker 4: about the female vote, but when we're talking about details
Speaker 4: of a day, you're talking about people, you know, destroying
Speaker 4: the capital. And there was there was. Out of the
Speaker 4: half a million people that were that were in part
Speaker 4: of January sixth, there was one hundred to one hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty very bad people. And I will one hundred
Speaker 4: percent agree with you. It was a blemish. It was
Speaker 4: a dark spot on our country, especially the way that
Speaker 4: it looked, the optics, et cetera. So do you realize, though,
Speaker 4: that out of the eight or eight hundred or so
Speaker 4: people that went through the halls, most of them were
Speaker 4: literally just walking around taking pictures, including somebody that I
Speaker 4: knew that was arrested and ended up spending two years
Speaker 4: in a jail for what ended up being a one
Speaker 4: month sentence because he didn't get his due process. But again,
Speaker 4: I do think the details are important when people believe
Speaker 4: that somebody like a guard or a police officer died
Speaker 4: that day. And out of the one hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: reports of injuries of police officers, it turns out the
Speaker 4: bulk of them, almost ninety five percent of them were
Speaker 4: part of a smoke inhlation. Based on the fact that
Speaker 4: there was the smoke bombs that went off in the
Speaker 4: police area. These are some of the facts that people
Speaker 4: don't represent correctly. Again, I will agree with you, it
Speaker 4: was a very bad day for the history of this country,
Speaker 4: but it's important to make sure the correct details, not
Speaker 4: the January sixth committee details that were very one sided,
Speaker 4: didn't present the whole pitch for show all the discovery
Speaker 4: that people have seen in the actual court case.
Speaker 2: Let me put it this way, if Trump handled it differently,
Speaker 2: and if January sixth doesn't happen, I might have voted
Speaker 2: for the guy. But it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter
Speaker 2: because I mean, you know he won't always. Let'sten, all right,
Speaker 2: let's get off that. Let's just get off that. Here's
Speaker 2: the thing, there are just women. There are just some
Speaker 2: women who will not vote for women.
Speaker 4: That's I'll agree with that, definitely. There's a there is
Speaker 4: a group there. I think my mom would almost fall
Speaker 4: into one of them. And I was raised a Democrat,
Speaker 4: lifelong Democrats. She was a Democrat. She's still very pro choice,
Speaker 4: and I think that she speaks for a lot of
Speaker 4: women in that fifty five to seventy five age category
Speaker 4: that still don't believe a woman could probably lead the country.
Speaker 4: I'm not as a forty two year old male, I
Speaker 4: don't believe that. I think Tulca Gabbard would be an
Speaker 4: incredibly strong president. I think Kamala Harris was the wrong
Speaker 4: one to break the ceiling. Hillary Clinton wrong one to
Speaker 4: break the ceiling. I think the Democrats are out of
Speaker 4: touch with what kind of woman America would be okay
Speaker 4: with leading the country. And I think that was one
Speaker 4: of the big problems. And you're right women women are
Speaker 4: very critical of other women, and I think that Kamala
Speaker 4: Harris was a perfect example of a candidate that did
Speaker 4: not that did not show faith in the female vote.
Speaker 2: Agree we agree on that and want to I want
Speaker 2: to think further on the Democrats. I think the Democrats
Speaker 2: and I voted both ways. I mean, if you I'm
Speaker 2: registered as a Democrat, but I voted Republican and I
Speaker 2: could have definitely gone for Trump. If this genuaryis GENUISTIX
Speaker 2: hadn't happened, we won't go down the road again. I
Speaker 2: want to. I want to talk about the Democrats because
Speaker 2: I think they're really in trouble. That's coming up next.
Speaker 2: Anthony Russo joins us here on w bz's Night Side.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Garry tang Way for day tonight. Anthony russ is joining
Speaker 2: us here on WBZ Political Analysts. Okay, oh, before before
Speaker 2: I continue, I just saw this today, Donald Trump Junior
Speaker 2: bought thirty nine hundred acres in Maine. Do you see that.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised. He loves the he loves the outdoors.
Speaker 4: Maine's probably one of the most beautiful places I've ever
Speaker 4: been in the country.
Speaker 2: Well, I grew up there. It depends. It's it's you know,
Speaker 2: I grew up in a small town, five thousand people
Speaker 2: in a milltown. But I was shocked thirty nine, what
Speaker 2: the hell are you going to do? Well, actual, they're
Speaker 2: gonna it must be inland because they're still going to
Speaker 2: use it for timber. But I just found that very
Speaker 2: interesting that he thirty nine.
Speaker 4: It could be a hunting a big hunting property. I
Speaker 4: would bet man.
Speaker 2: Well, I think there were also it's definitely not on
Speaker 2: the coast, but it could be a hunting property, and
Speaker 2: they're going to continue to lease it and use it
Speaker 2: for forestry, yeah, for street situation. Okay, So one of
Speaker 2: the things that happened here, you know, you talk about
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton. You know I knew a lot of women
Speaker 2: that just didn't like her. Kamala Harris, do you think
Speaker 2: the Democrats would have had a better chance if Biden
Speaker 2: had stepped aside, not run for a second turn like
Speaker 2: he said, and they would have gone with some of
Speaker 2: the other candidates, for example, like the governor of Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: or the governor of Kentucky.
Speaker 4: Well, I definitely would have been a better chance. And honestly,
Speaker 4: just real quick on the female thing, I think and
Speaker 4: even though I said Telsey Gabbert, I think the concern
Speaker 4: female is going to have a better shot because it's
Speaker 4: going to be harder to turn conservative voters to a female.
Speaker 4: So if you have a female conservative, I think that
Speaker 4: that will start to the Democrats will possibly lean in
Speaker 4: a little bit to that. But to your point in
Speaker 4: terms of if they should have done it earlier, absolutely
Speaker 4: then we would have had a fair race. Then the
Speaker 4: republic they could have continued the speaking points against Donald
Speaker 4: Trump that were very effective to make the race as
Speaker 4: close as it was. But I think that they they
Speaker 4: they could have chose somebody that actually was popular. They
Speaker 4: could not have quote unquote circumvented democracy by essentially just
Speaker 4: making her their candidate, and that would that's one of
Speaker 4: the big points that I think the Republicans were playing on.
Speaker 4: They were playing on obviously the ultra woke ideologies and
Speaker 4: the far leftist transgender movement as part of their speaking points,
Speaker 4: but I think that one of their keys is, all right,
Speaker 4: if you guys are talking about us being a threat
Speaker 4: to democracy, how is it that you circumvented democracy in
Speaker 4: your process. So I think if they had a fair
Speaker 4: affair run at it, I think Shapiro I think would
Speaker 4: have been a really great choice. But for them, I
Speaker 4: think would have made it a little bit more fair.
Speaker 4: The bench for the Democrats isn't as deep as it
Speaker 4: sometimes is, so I you know, Kentucky, either way, that
Speaker 4: would have been a better option, and I do think
Speaker 4: it would have been a much closer race.
Speaker 2: Anthony Russo here joined this political analyst here on WBC. Okay,
Speaker 2: so what do you think about some of the selections
Speaker 2: by Trump, for example, Chief of Staff Susie Wiles, first
Speaker 2: female chief of staff, Attorney General Pam Brooks, Homeland Security,
Speaker 2: Labor un ambassador strong I mean a strong female presence
Speaker 2: with the Trump presidency.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe it's ten or eleven. Which is it
Speaker 4: tenor I can't it's ten or eleven. Is the number
Speaker 4: of females that he selected, which is double that of
Speaker 4: his first administration. There's a little bit more of a
Speaker 4: wide variety. Obviously, they're still gonna look at the fact
Speaker 4: that the racial disparity is not as much as they
Speaker 4: would like as a general populace just looking for the
Speaker 4: kind of the dee high numbers to match up. But
Speaker 4: in terms of strong females, he's putting them in positions
Speaker 4: as they've never been before. So I think it bodes
Speaker 4: well for the females that were maybe on the fence
Speaker 4: and ended up voting for Trump and going on, I
Speaker 4: don't know. I hope he does the right thing. I
Speaker 4: think for them, he's proving to them he is doing
Speaker 4: the right thing, and he is going towards strong females,
Speaker 4: not just females because they're female, but females because they're
Speaker 4: strong females that actually can make an impact in the cabinet.
Speaker 2: What do you think about Kennedy with the Health and
Speaker 2: Services Secretary, mister Nonvaxer, Well.
Speaker 4: Based on our j sixth start to the conversation, You're
Speaker 4: probably not gonna like this. I'm a huge RFK fan.
Speaker 4: I he was one of my keys to why I
Speaker 4: was actually excited to vote for Donald Trump this time.
Speaker 4: Is I I've been raised in natural wellness and health
Speaker 4: my whole life. My mom is a chiropractor, graduated thirty
Speaker 4: years ago, and I have always been on the side
Speaker 4: of airing of caution towards big pharma. I think our
Speaker 4: food is the biggest issue. You've got Democrat Corey Booker
Speaker 4: speaking on behalf of RFK and the need to really
Speaker 4: take a deep dive into our food program. The fact
Speaker 4: that we're the most obese country in the world.
Speaker 2: Well, that I agree with you on that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to disagree with that at all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but here's the thing. Did you see that, Tana. Do
Speaker 2: you see that picture of everybody on air on Trump's
Speaker 2: plane eating McDonald's.
Speaker 4: McDonald's and it looked like RFK Junior was a yeah, RFK,
Speaker 4: he's got huge balls. He's also what he's doing is
Speaker 4: completely alienating his family. That is the establishment of democrats.
Speaker 4: He I mean he is and his I mean his
Speaker 4: wife is deep in Hollywood, and it's like he's doing
Speaker 4: something that will get him completely turned off. And it's
Speaker 4: his police system. You can disagree with the police system,
Speaker 4: but you can't say the sellout in any way, shape
Speaker 4: or He firmly believes this. He went through a lot
Speaker 4: of litigation in cases that it caused him to say, Look,
Speaker 4: I don't think when we say anti vaxxer, I think
Speaker 4: that kind of paints kind of a little bit too
Speaker 4: dark of a picture. I think he wants the accountability
Speaker 4: and informed consent. He wants people to realize there is
Speaker 4: a chance of some harm based on all of the
Speaker 4: litigation that he prosecuted in the eighties, nineties. In early
Speaker 4: two thousand, then it's all based on the same way
Speaker 4: he feels about bad water and the same way he
Speaker 4: feels about things like aluminum and not mercury in vaccines.
Speaker 4: So he's got a belief system that he'll stand by.
Speaker 4: And I think he just wants accountability, which would reverse
Speaker 4: what Reagan put into place.
Speaker 3: In the eighties.
Speaker 4: He wants the ability to make sure that vaccines, if
Speaker 4: there is something harmful in them, that they can actually
Speaker 4: be prosecuted, because at this point they're not allowed.
Speaker 2: Okay, I got a few minutes here, Anthony, but it
Speaker 2: seems to me everything's flip flopped. The Democrats are the
Speaker 2: establish You get Clooney coming in, you got Oprah coming in,
Speaker 2: and everybody's saying, well, what the hell do I have
Speaker 2: in common with them? You know? Or jay Z and
Speaker 2: people from all backgrounds are going, I have nothing in
Speaker 2: common with this party.
Speaker 4: And it's even right, And it's even more kind of
Speaker 4: it's even more disgusting when you look at the fact
Speaker 4: that not only do you not have anything in common,
Speaker 4: You're right, it's the establishment, it's the ultra wealthy. On
Speaker 4: top of it, you're now finding out how much these
Speaker 4: people were paid to stand on a stage and Oh
Speaker 4: my god.
Speaker 2: I was shocked. I listen. I was ashamed. I was
Speaker 2: I was shocked and ashamed the production costs, like for
Speaker 2: Oprah to do they had to pay. I was like,
Speaker 2: these people aren't doing it for free, right. I was shocked.
Speaker 4: And if something comes out that the Republican some of
Speaker 4: the celebrity, I mean, there wasn't a ton of celebrities,
Speaker 4: but if they were paid, and from every aspect that
Speaker 4: I see and every aspect that they've talked about, Trump
Speaker 4: didn't have to pay a celebrity a they were honored
Speaker 4: to come speak, or they're bold enough because again it's
Speaker 4: a huge risk to the career to speak on behalf
Speaker 4: of Donald Trump. So I do think that it's interesting
Speaker 4: to see that not only is it an establishment party,
Speaker 4: it's the big money party. It's the party that is
Speaker 4: you have to pay them to be spokespeople and then
Speaker 4: to mismanage over a billion dollars. I think in retrospect,
Speaker 4: even somebody that is very sounds like very middle ground,
Speaker 4: like you, you probably go, well, we might, we might be
Speaker 4: in better hands at this point.
Speaker 2: Well let me and we have to go. I'm not
Speaker 2: like some of my friends. I'm not doing mcgloom, Like
Speaker 2: when somebody said moved to Canada. I go, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous. It's going to be fine, folks. It's not
Speaker 2: the end of the world. It's not the end of
Speaker 2: the United States. That I do believe, Anthony. I really
Speaker 2: appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you. I love this conversation. This is fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well, you know, next time I'm on,
Speaker 2: I'll have you on. But it's not the end of
Speaker 2: the world. Like people talking about, oh my god, Trump.
Speaker 2: I go, no, it's going to be fine, you know.
Speaker 2: And you know, hell, at my place in life, I'll
Speaker 2: probably benefit, you know, I mean where just where I am,
Speaker 2: I'll probably benefit from Trump. So you know, it's not
Speaker 2: the end of the world. It's not it's not that's
Speaker 2: not gonna happen, you know. And everybody's talking about my
Speaker 2: friend the people are going to be deported and all this.
Speaker 2: I'm like, just settle down, just settle down, Okay, it's
Speaker 2: not the end of the world. You lost an election,
Speaker 2: get over it, all right, Anthony, thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you again later.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Okay, taking here, Anthony Russo Jonas, very very good conversation,
Speaker 2: very good conversation, exchange of ideas. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: Trump's got ten eleven females in his cabinet and the
Speaker 2: first sheaf of staff. It's got to be interesting. Man,
Speaker 2: strap In, folks, is going to be a crazy ride.
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