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Speaker 5: Welcome in the six foot two, two hundred and forty
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former BYU great linebacker.
Speaker 4: What's up Jack? How are you guys doing? Awesome man
number one.
Speaker 5: Congratulations on a great career, great season, great final season
at BYU, and also like a cherry on top one
of the best pro Day slash combine performances in BYU
football history coming in, I think like it may have
been a top five ross score. It's that relative athletic
score that combines all of these different elements of the
Pro Day and combine and compares it to other combine
scores historically. You have like a top five rating athletically
all time in BYU football history.
Speaker 4: Man, that's a cherry on top. Great job.
Speaker 6: Hey, sure, thank you so much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: What went into that? Man? Like, how was it that?
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously you've always been a good athlete, but
tell us a little bit about what went into that
and all the preparation in order to maximize your athletic ability.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So I moved down to Fort Myers, Florida, and
I was training down there for about two months. But
you also got to give credit to I have a
guy out here in Salt Lake named Total Athlete Training,
and then all the strength coaches at BYU just helping
me preserve and get better throughout the seasons, the off seasons,
and then when I got down to Fort Myers, it
was kind of just got to really refine the little
details and put in the work, stay disciplined on your
meal plan, do all the little things, and so it's
really just a testament to all the coaches I've had
and setting the right example for me coming up through this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what were you most happy about with your combine
performance pro day performance?
Speaker 6: I think my biggest thing was the position drills. I
think just showing the scouts that I can move. Some
of them thought I was a little stiff previously, so
that was a big emphasis offseason. Was just showing that
I'm fluid and I can drop, I can pass rush,
just showing a little bit of it all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounds like you've made some doubters into believers.
I felt like with your performance in the combine as
well as the field drill, I feel like you elevated
your draft status a bit.
Speaker 4: Have you gotten that feedback as.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, yeah, still a little early to tell.
I mean, we don't really know until draft day comes.
I like to think I did everything that I could though,
and showed what I wanted to show, so hopefully that
improved my draft stock. But at the end of the day,
it's kind of hard to know. You don't really know
what teams need or want until draft day comes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's awesome to watch the progress. Right, Like
from where you were coming out in high school, underrated,
under recruited, You go to Weber, you end up at BYU.
Did you have doubts like you could play at the
highest of levels at that time when you were coming
out of high school? What was the mindset like when
you came out of high school ended up at Weber.
Speaker 4: Was it a little bit of a.
Speaker 5: Kind of an eye opening experience when you got to
BYU and you were as dominant as you were even
at all these other levels that you had played at.
Speaker 6: I mean, it really just comes down to like betting
on yourself and trusting in your work in preparation. So
it wasn't doubt. It was always I felt like I
could play at this level. So I was like working
as hard as I could do and all the extra stuff,
just trying to do what I knew I needed to
do in order to be successful. So I was kind
of my mindset going into Weavers, like, I'm grateful I
get to play college football. A lot of people don't
get to get this opportunity, so I'm just gonna take
full advantage of it. I'm gonna work hard. Listening to
my coaches, and I'm grateful for the journey that I
have had no.
Speaker 4: Doubt about it.
Speaker 5: What would you say is your your your most memorable
moment as a BYU Cougar Jack, when you reflect on
your career at b YU, what are some of the
memorable moments or the most memorable moment that you had.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's really too many to count or the list,
but one super memorable moment I guess it'd be two
would be Utah the Utah game both years. I mean
that first game getting back to Provo and just seeing
all the fans and everyone being there, and then this
year as well, just having that in Provo. I think
nothing be say that crowd was wild, it was a
good game, good competition. So I think those two games
would definitely be at the top of my list.
Speaker 5: Big games in big moments for you and one of
the things that I actually was most impressed by. And
I think this problem is going to help your NFL
career as well. You suffered an injury this year, an
upper trimity injury. You rehabed it, got back on the
field of play, you played through injuries, had surgery obviously
at the end of the year, I think that that
show's kind of great in fortitude and the toughness that
NFL teams are looking for.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure. I mean it was really just sacrificing
for my brothers out there. Like I knew, I wanted
to be out there with them, fighting, competing. Everyone on
the team is fighting through some sort of injury, whether
it's little or dig So it was really just wanting
to do it for them and just a brotherhood that
we had that made me want to go out there
and try to play to the best of my ability,
to contribute as much as I could, and then just
to be out there fighting. Like you you don't want
to miss those opportunities out there with your brothers. You
only get so limited amount of them, so just every
opportunity I try to take full advantage.
Speaker 5: Of Jack Kelly former b YU great talking some ball
here on your Utah ESPN Radio Network. What was the
experience like at the combine? It always feels like it's rushed.
You don't get enough sleep. They're trying to like test
you mentally, emotionally, and then obviously then do the physical
component to it. Cortisol levels are high, you know, and
it's almost like it feels like they're like trying to
dehydrate you in things before you get out there, trying
to like lessen your athletic potential.
Speaker 4: Give us a little breakdown of what happened there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's definitely like a quick trip kind of
like you mentioned, you kind of fly in, do all
your medicals, do what they need to see, and then
they're going to keep you up with meetings, doing team interviews,
stuff like that. Go to the hospital, make sure everything's
checked out from head to toe, get all the teams
what they need to see. I mean, yeah, you're super
busy pretty much the whole entire day, so you're getting
back to your room pretty late, so you're trying to
just fit in water meals wherever you can. And then
obviously the sleep component, they definitely are trying to test you.
It seems like a little bit so you're gonna be
out a little later, gonna get you up a little earlier.
So it's really just had to be walked in on
the little things like eating and sleeping and then trying
to get your training into just finding little segments of
the day where you had a little break, maybe an
hour break where you just go get that training segment
in real quick and then go back to meetings or
whatever was planned for that day.
Speaker 5: What was the weirdest questions that you were asked during
the interview process.
Speaker 6: You know, I've heard a lot of stories about people
getting asked weird questions, but I didn't get asked anything
that was like out of the norm. So I was
grateful for that based on some of the stories I've heard,
and like just some of the like scouts or Coast
or whatever it may be trying to get like a
little funny detail out of you or something like that.
But yeah, I didn't have anything crazy.
Speaker 5: There was a number of guys that got the invite
to the combine. Obviously, Chase Roberts got the invite. I
believe Garrison Grimes went out there, Wilf Farron, and so
pretty cool to.
Speaker 4: See all those guys there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I kind of felt like there was a few
other guys that should have maybe merited an invite. I
thought Timmer Waald, you know, a big twelve All Conference player,
he tested out extremely well at his PRODA. I thought
he could have maybe got that invite as well. Your
thoughts on that, like the threshold of what merits an
invite and what doesn't and who if your teammates, did
you feel good?
Speaker 4: Maybe got shafted in that regard.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't necessarily knows what goes into that getting
the invite process. I mean, I definitely think there's more
of the guys that should have. Pretty much everyone at
pro Day had a great protay, so if they would
have been at the Combine, they would have tested phenomenally well.
They all had great seasons. But at the end of
the day, all they need is a shot. All of
us need is just one shot. So Combine obviously helps
a little bit, but the numbers that they put up
at the pro Day is definitely all that they needed
to show. All of them went through position drills really well.
So I'm super happy and I love the way they
attack the process and I'm really hoping that everyone gets
a shot, and I think they'll all strive in the
opportunity that they do get.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got a couple of like underrated guys I
feel like that are coming out in this class.
Speaker 4: I think Tannel Wall is one of them.
Speaker 5: I think Austin Leousa is also an underrated guy. You
had to go against Austin a lot I think as
a linebacker, either coming off the edge or going up
the middle of what stands out to you about Austin
Do you think he could find a way in the NFL?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure. Him and Way and I think have
great opportunities ahead of them. Just their physicality, the smart
the IQ part of the game that they do have,
just being able to understand defenses, read defenses, call blitzes out,
like if we started creeping too early, they would call
those out. So they just have high IQ and that's
really what translates well to the NFL. They already got
the physical aspect, they just tested well, showed the teams
what they needed to see, and now it's just really
showing the teams the IQ side of the thing, which
they did on film. But then once they get in
those meeting rooms with those teams, they're definitely gonna be
able to show and I think those are going to
be huge positive plus sides for them.
Speaker 5: Jack Kelly, former BYU, great linebacker here on Utah's ESPN
Radio Network and Cougar Sports. Jack, you got coach up
by some good coaches down there at BYU, and they
got a good thing going right now. Two consecutive seasons
of double digit wins eleven and two and twelve and two.
For those that are evaluating going to BYU right now,
what's the pitch right to get them in BYU Blue
and get coached up by some of these coaches and
be a part of a unique and singular locker room.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean just the culture that Kilani has, it's
a winning culture. We look at the past two years
and what they're building, it's just going to continue to
grow and develop into something bigger and better. I think
the guys that they brought in this year, the guys
returning from last year, I think they're gonna have an
even better season than the year we just had. So
I think it's just going to be a continuous winning
program that's just going to continue to get better, especially
under all the coaching staff that they have up there.
They have the right mindset, the football IQ. They can
develop you the way you need to be developed, and
winning at the end of the day is the best
thing in football, and that's what they do.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I feel like, you know, b Yu's moving in a
unique direction right now. It's becoming like they talk about
the glory days of like the eighties and nineties. I
feel like these are the new glory days for BYU
since twenty to twenty, a lot of double digit wins,
a lot of NFL talent speak to what makes Kilane's
culture so special.
Speaker 6: I think just the way he allows the players to
run things, He allows play it to be a player
led team, which helps for us building that brotherhood and
that bond that we have with each other. I mean,
he's gonna step in and yell when he needs so,
he's gonna what a head coach needs to do, but
he's he's allowing the players to control it. To make
sure we're pushing the tempo, make sure we're all holding
each other accountable. And I think at the end of
the day, if you're able to compete at a high
level with your brothers and you, you guys are the
ones leading each other, that's the teams that are going
to be successful.
Speaker 4: Jack, what's next for you? What what goals do you have?
Speaker 5: What's the next I guess weeks and months look like
for you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just going to continue to be training, try to
get better in every way that I can, get in shape,
continue to do football work on the field, and then
just kind of play the waiting game. Hopefully I get
that opportunity and then try to attack it and be
as best as I can.
Speaker 4: So, where you're training at right now and who you're
training with.
Speaker 6: I'm training at Total Athlete Training and the guy's name
is Christian Sandibal.
Speaker 5: What stood out to you about I mean, look, you
had some high level training at BYU, Skyler Maine, Ryan Phillis,
Colby Class and all those guys.
Speaker 4: They do fantastic work.
Speaker 5: What has stood out to you about the training that
you've received after BYU.
Speaker 6: It's all very similar to what they did, actually, so
it's all positive things. It just shows and really allows
me to understand the level of knowledge that they have
at the BYU that they're all doing the right things.
They're building guys the right way, they're allowing us to
grow in the ways that we need to. So I
think it's all very similar. And nothing has been really
like where I'm shocked that we didn't do that before.
Everything has been what we did at BYU, what we
did for injury prevention, injury rehabs. So it's all been
very similar.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's cool to see that BYU over the last
three years, three or four years has implemented some of
the highest level training, sports science, nutrition combination, and I
imagine like you.
Speaker 4: Reaped a lot of those rewards from.
Speaker 5: A body composition standpoint and athleticism standpoint. Like what stood
out to you about that development process over the last
few years.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just the things that you didn't really know and
you're like, is this gonna work? You just trust them
and then ends up working like way more than any
other movement or any other meal plan, any other injury
prevention rehab. And then you just really look back and like, Okay,
I can trust these guys with everything with my body,
and then you go to them for everything. You get
a little nick and you're like, just go to them,
and it feels better within two days. So it's really
just them putting together a program and then the players
trusting and believing in it, and then following everything that
they say. If they say, oh, we need to get
you a little more mobility here, you're gonna do it
because you know they have your best interests in mine.
Speaker 5: Jack Kelly former BYU great talking some Cougar football, Jack,
you know this roster better than anybody.
Speaker 4: I mean, who can fill your shoes? Bro?
Speaker 5: I mean those are big shoes to fill. I call
you the Juggernaut dude. You're like that X Man, Juggernaut dude,
just running around Jack Kelly, the Juggernaut. If you haven't
gotten the intellectual property up and running yet with shirts
and paraphernalia, all this stuff, you need to because you
are the Juggernaut, my friend. But who's gonna fill the
shoes of the juggernaut man?
Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of guys that our linebacker
room is beat. I mean, obviously they got Ka Luave there,
Jake Clifton, who I've heard they've both been playing really
well in springball, Miles Halls, y'a l a a Micah.
I mean there's that was the deepest linebacker room I've
ever seen or like looked at, and every one of
them can play. So I have no worries in mind
that someone's gonna step into that role and excel at
a high level, just based off of the work that
they put in, the extra work. I'm always staying ready,
always getting better, and yeah, it's definitely gonna be easy.
Not I don't I don't know how to say this,
but it's to be someone that's gonna fill it and
they're gonna excel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it. Man. Well, like who's the pass
rusher though?
Speaker 5: I mean, see you you were divers in your skill
set when you could be a second level defense defender
Philly A Gaps obviously be involved in that blitz game
that gets linear. I think you demolished a number of
running backs along your way that tried to, you know,
pass pro on you. And then you could also be
lined up as a stand up outside edge guy in
the and A seven technique. I wouldn't be surprised if
you could have employed a little five tech too, taken
on some pulling guards, et cetera. But you know, being
able to win off the edge in pass rushing situation.
Speaker 4: Who fits that mold the mass? Do you think?
Speaker 6: Oh, that's a good question. I mean Cayle Seely, I
think he's been playing some backer and he's kind of
doing that where he played DM last year, and I
think he's going to be a phenomenal player, so he
could definitely fill into that role. I mean, all those
linebackers they do that I mentioned, they work with coach
Chad every day, so we're all doing the same drills
getting better at that. I think that's a huge test
meant to Coach Chad and his ability to develop the
needs that the team, that the team needs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no one talks enough about Chad K. We're all
worried that, you know. You know, look, you were a
j Hill guy. You got recruited, you got developed by
Jay Hill. His scheme came over from Weaver to b
Y you, et cetera. I want to talk about Jay here,
but like, I don't know if we talk enough about
Chad K and the the the impact that he's had
at b YU quietly behind the scenes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, for sure, he's definitely a behind the scenes
type of guy. All though the pass rush work that
we did every day was second to none. I mean
the film work that he would do. With the film study,
he'd come into our meeting rooms and give us a
breakdown on the O line we're playing, what moves are
going to work. So it's really just that extra step
that we needed, just understanding, just adding that little extra
detail we needed going into game day. Rather than just
studying like the run game in pass game, we'd also
study past sets where they're going to shoot their hands.
So I think Coach Chad is a definitely an underrated
part of the team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, love that that breakdown.
Speaker 5: Look, we lost Jay, we lost Gennaro, lost gav all
big losses. Uh, what makes you optimistic that we can
that we've filled we got we've got those shoes filled
as well, and we can, Uh, we can be as
effective as productive defensively as we were even last year
as K Pop at the Helm. I think Lewis Walker's
your your quarnerbacks coach obviously Tomorrow Warren, et cetera.
Speaker 4: But some big shoes to feel.
Speaker 6: No doubt, Yeah, for sure, And that's just where he trust. Kilane.
He knows what he's doing, He's got the right guys,
he knows he needs to hire. Putting coach h K
Pop there, he's been in this defense, he knows it,
he understands it. He's gonna be just as successful. All
the defensive minds that I was around all season, they're
all super smart, they all know what they're talking about.
And then Kilane he knows what he's doing, he knows
who the guys he needs, what kind of culture he
needs those guys to be. And all the coaches he's
hired ever one said they've loved. So definitely think that
This offseason has been a positive and they did everything
they needed to do to have another successful season.
Speaker 5: A lot of people don't know what Gary Anderson's doing
there is an analyst. How did you describe Gary Anderson
his roll down there in prov over the last year
or so.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's definitely one of the smartest football minds you
will be around. I mean, he's been doing it for
a while. He knows what he's talking about. He knows
He's just one of those guys that you can go
up to and ask about anything. He's going to be
there for you. He's going to help you with football.
He's going to show up for you if you want
some extra meetings. He's just a football guy that loves
ball and he wants the best out of each and
every one of the athletes that is there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel optimistic. How would you describe Kelly Papinga too.
I mean, he you've worked with him, You've seen what
he's done. We've done with the special teams units in
the linebacker edge room as well. How would you describe
Kate pop and how Why do you think he can
be a great DC at BYU.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he's going to be great because he's passionate.
He loves the game of football. I mean, even when
he was coaching special teams last year, you could feel
the passion in it. Where a lot of people think
special teams isn't that important, he really emphasized the fact
that special teams can win games. And just seeing the
passion he has for the game, the mind he has.
He's been in doing this for a while as well,
so he's got the knowledge that's needed to be successful.
And he's just there for the guys. Everyone that kind
of like coach Gary Anderson that I talked about, he's
someone you can go up to, you can trust, and
he's going to get the job done.
Speaker 5: Jack Kelly, Ladies and gentlemen, former b y you great
talking some ball here on your Utah ESPN Radio network.
Speaker 4: Who should be what you fans be aware of?
Speaker 5: Maybe like that that is on the come up into
twenty twenty six season. Newcomers, Guys that were, you know,
maybe on the bench last year, Like who should be
YU fans keep an eye out for offensively or defensively
special teams wise this next season.
Speaker 6: Oh, there might be too many to name. There's a
lot of guys from last year that I thought were
ballers that may might not have got the playing time
or the attention they needed, and even newcomers. I've heard
a lot of the newcomers, whether that's transfers or freshmen
that have been balling. So I mean, I can't really
put a finger on a couple because there's too many,
but I think coover fans should be super excited about
what's coming.
Speaker 4: Love that.
Speaker 5: Man, Well, we appreciate you hopping on Jack to give
us an update on everything. I'm sure you've received a
ton of interest post pro Day and post NFL combine.
What is that feedback from the NFL scouts and also
from your agent?
Speaker 4: What feedback have you received during the process.
Speaker 6: Yeah, right now, it's not a whole lot of feedback.
It's more of just like getting on calls, understanding who
you are more as a person, like seeing how well
you know yourself, Like what are your strengths, what are
your weaknesses. So it's kind of just understanding more of
who we are at this point. So it's been a
lot of positive conversations. Just trying to continue to show
my ability to drop into coverage and be a versatile player,
and that's something that I've been able to show through
workouts or film and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Love it, Jack, Well, can't wait to see you ball
out in the NFL. Do you have an ideal location
at a deal scheme you want to be in going forward?
Speaker 6: No, any opportunity I get, I'm going to be super
bust and happy and I won't take event or won't
take for granted any any city I get to go
play for.
Speaker 5: We'll tell you this much, BYU's linebacker. You look at
all the great linebackers that have gone on to the NFL,
two great careers over the last twenty or so years.
Twenty or so years, it's been awesome to watch and
you're part of that legacy now as one of the
best linebackers and be what you football history, Jack Kelly.
We salute you man, Thanks for coming on. And yeah,
had you heard the nickname the Juggernaut or is that
the first time?
Speaker 6: That was the first time I ever heard that?
Speaker 5: Actually, man, shoot, I'm send you my my my mockup
of you as the Juggernaut once we get off the air. So,
I I mean, come on, like the way you run
and you got the neck role too, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, yeah, it fits, doesn't it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it does. I'm definitely gonna see that mock up.
Speaker 5: All right, I'll send it over to your brother, Big Cougar.
Order you man, Thanks for joining us, Thanks for hopping on.
Speaker 6: Jack, Yes, sir, thank you so much.
Speaker 4: There you go. That's Jack the Juggernaut Kelly.
Speaker 5: He can run with the best of them, great coverage,
as you know, he's a great pass rusher. He's got
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Speaker 4: All right, let's get to it.
Speaker 5: Jack Retzlock commenting on bear Bachmeyer on Beyond the Game
podcast with Mike Lacy.
Speaker 9: Interesting, you know the guy who came in and had
to replace you, Bear Bachmeyer.
Speaker 8: It's obvious that you have.
Speaker 9: A good relationship with him too, as well as most
of the rep I mean probably every single one of
the staff and the players.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and my connection to BUYU is strong. It is
rooted deep. I was in Provo this past weekend.
Speaker 11: It was the first time I've actually been back there
since July twenty second when I left, and I went
and saw a Rod up in the solid area. I
was up there for the hockey game, and so I
went and hung out with him a little bit. And
just like my rooster, there will be deep for a
long time, especially with that staff and especially with those players. Man,
I got a lot of brothers over there, who I
wish I could go hang out all of them all
at once again.
Speaker 10: But man, those are my guys. Saw them, you know.
Bear Bear came in the summer and so like me
and Barrel, only got a little bit of time together.
But man, that we got.
Speaker 11: I I was I've been on the phone with him
a couple times before he even got to BYU. I
talked to him a bunch. He's asked him questions about
Yu I'm answering, and I was excited. He's a southern
California kid. I think my high school still owns his
high school, so I'll keep hanging that over his head.
But now a great kid. Man, It's super fun. Especially
when he first got there. Dude, he was like just
a sponge, just a kid who just wanted to learn
everything as fast as he could. Like he was already
meeting with Matt to get the offense down Matt Mitchell,
and he would come out to the field doing drills
and dude like just talking, talking my ear off, like
trying to learn every little edge and everything that I
play with. He's trying to learn every single detail of it.
And I loved it.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 11: It was great to see a young kid like that
come in and be like hyper talented like he is,
but then so eager to like learn and grow and
get that edge.
Speaker 10: And I got a lot of respect for Bear Man.
Speaker 11: And he came in just super like I said, humble
but hungry at the same time, ready to work. And
those are the kids that you love to just watch grow.
And for me, it's been such a blast to talk
to the people around the building and you know, talk
to I texted Bear a couple times ro out the season,
but I wish I got tax from Bora, but turns
out we both had kind of something.
Speaker 10: To do throughout those few months.
Speaker 11: But so, but yeah, I'm too proud of that guy man,
and hopefully I'll be able to run into him maybe
at b YU sometime soon if I went my head
back up that way. But I'm excited to see what
he does in this next year.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 11: For me, having a first year of a starter under
my belt was huge, but then I was super excited
about the next year after that, which ended up being
his freshman year. So I'm excited for him to move
into a sophomore season. Another year in that offense makes
a big difference, and he's just gonna ball out again
this hump.
Speaker 10: I'm pumped for him.
Speaker 4: Now. Love it.
Speaker 5: Man, there's his thoughts. This is gonna be Ronnie. You've
listened to this multiple times. Now, what do you make
of it? Your takeaways?
Speaker 12: I think the first thing that sticks out to me
is and this is good. I hope this doesn't make
people have said this cougar bite is more about jakein
is about Bear.
Speaker 8: That's to take away.
Speaker 12: I know you chuckle because you probably agree in some
sense of just look right and it looks sometimes, you know,
people make mistakes, Things don't happen right. I know that
the case and everything and what transpired after and how
I would all you know, went about. But when Jake
showed back up, you just said it ay Rod at
a hockey game. Then I was at practice that day,
you know, and I told you said, hey, Jake said, practice,
I posted a picture, right. I talked to you like,
like's about it. Hey, I'm this picture is gonna be posted.
He's at practices us just doing interviews. Practice is over,
and there's a great relationship still with Bearing his teammate.
Excuse me, Jake and his teammate's like he dabbed up
Trayson Boorgay.
Speaker 8: I interviewed Tracey and Dre said, that's my guy.
Speaker 12: You know, they lived together half like that didn't go away,
you know, And whoever had mentored Jake on the way
out when the situation occurred, it's easy to burn bridges
and I'm gonna go down that route. It easy when
things don't go your way, being to point the finger
to say, well, I'm being treated unfairly.
Speaker 8: It's not right. You can easily go that way.
Speaker 12: But he kept a very kind of what you've you know,
mentored me in our private conversations. Or just be positive,
positive energy, positive people breath, you know, positive convictions. Things happen,
you know they've come into your life. You speak things
into fruition and when you're around negativity, when you're around
a complacency, it doesn't necessarily have the best form. And
it looks, you know, for misery those things, and Jake
did the right thing. And because you know, he kept
those relationships and here and that look him and Bear
both you know southern California. Is that connection right. I
didn't know that Jake and Bear had a chance to
talk with you Bear got here. I didn't think Jake
had that time to but he did. And I just
think it's great to see again former Cougars. And I'm
gonna be honest, I think this is a guy that's
gonna be back on BOU campus if Jake is able
to go to the NFL and play or wherever he
goes with his career. He's been welcoming back with BOU
with open arms, and I welcome him back and I
invite everyone to and grateful for his path and those
relationships of BYU didn't die.
Speaker 8: Those are his boys.
Speaker 12: You just heard from him. He could hang out with
everybody at once. So this is not me speaking, This
is just me commenting on Jake Reht's laugh and his
time at BYU. And again, Jake might maybe have come
into b YU maybe a little transact actually not knowing,
but definitely by the time he left, I think he
was truly changing transformation on again. Uh to to poke
maybe at the d m P A j thing. DMP's
dad say, it's not about where you started, it's where
you finished. And I think where Jake finished. People might
not look at it, but to me, when you're back
on campus, when you're throwing at pro Day, when you're
talking to your former teammates and coaching, it seems all love.
Speaker 8: I think that's what it's really about.
Speaker 4: It's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 5: Uh seeing him back at b y U H that's
your Cougar byte and it was brought to you by
Oh we got what we got? Mash all right, what's
the mos uh Star wide receivers recent decision.
Speaker 4: Making on uh? And Uh, so is this Kyler Kyler Casper?
What is it? What do we got? Or is this
is this Pook? And Akupa comments.
Speaker 5: Yes this is Pook and Nukula comments yes, Okay, what
are we talking about here?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 12: The conversation has started to brew. This is on a
three and out with John Middelkoff. If the if the
rams are afraid, you know, to you know, put a
pause on or to pay Pooka Nakua. Uh, because Jack
and Smith and Jacobiban, I think he's got forty two
point one five. I think you know it's Pooka's probably
somewhere a little bit above that it with forty two
point five or forty three. So these are some comments
regarding the situation if the Rams.
Speaker 5: Okay, so he's he's projecting yet the Rams, because of
the delay, there has not been a signing, they're afraid
to pay Pooka.
Speaker 4: Yeah, afraid because of some of his.
Speaker 5: Off off the field shenanigans that he's been involved in
over the last year and even last year or two.
Speaker 4: So okay, so three and outs.
Speaker 5: John Middelkoff discussing whether or not the Rams are a
little bit afraid of paying Pooka Nakula.
Speaker 7: Pookin Nakula's decision making over the course of the last
six to eight months feels it feels like a cage
cat got out of Provo and just doesn't know what
to do with himself. Became really famous and it's not
handling it well. One headlines like listen, you had nothing
to do with it, A great guy. Like there's been
enough smoke now it's like bro.
Speaker 4: Figure, all right, there you go. Look, I don't know.
He is an entertainer, There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 5: And in a traditional sense. I don't think he's abided
by the the National Football League's uh standard of comportment,
nor for the Los Angeles Rams.
Speaker 4: But he is in Hollywood, and Hollywood.
Speaker 5: Seems to bring a whole lot of drama to people's lives,
good and bad. You know what's the old adage about, uh,
you know, fame and attention. Uh, you know, it slips
my mind right now, but I guess there's uh, there's
a there's there's a lot that comes with it, right
and uh, I think there's some entities, corporations, people that
will pay him for the drama, pay him for the
off field scandals, pay him for all these things, right,
and it could be beneficial from a real life drama
uh reality TV standpoint right, But uh, you better be
careful because it can bite you in the button bum
as well. The delay maybe Warrington due to evil and
constructive criticism and coaching that is going on from mentors. Look,
this is what I'll say about the Pukaakua situation. I
think it's very difficult to navigate one's life, Okay, from
a very early age. Pukakua lost his father at a
pretty early age. So when I see some of this
happening in a young man's life, you know, it's a
combination of repression, hasn't been able to get it out
of his system, and male mentorship, especially from a fatherly figure.
If I'm going to diagnose a treat, that's what I get.
Is he getting that from his brothers, from his older brothers,
Probably not, you know what I mean, Like no offense
to any of the brothers, Like I think they're good,
good people. No, no like criticism being but I don't
know if they're getting fought. I don't know if Buka
is getting fatherly advice from uh, you know brother Sampson
who was you know, he was out and about too,
you know, maybe as a designated driver. But like are
we if we're truly evaluating the situation, I just think
that these are these are these are you know, signs
of the gaps the lack of of fatherly figure in
his life, especially from an early age, and then being
in an affluent situation, having access to these things, having uh,
the ability to do and say and it ultimately, you know,
engage in what you want all manner of a little
hedonism to bauchery and liciviousness.
Speaker 4: Right, it's all there for the taking.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 5: The natural man is an enemy to God and has
since has been since the fall of Adam. Baby, Uh,
don't act like you know you're better than anybody else
because you don't do those things.
Speaker 4: You maybe not have been tempted by those things. You
haven't been given the opportunity to do those things. You
have been gifted affloids.
Speaker 5: Now it's really easy to say I would never do
such a thing, but you've never been in those situations either.
So I look at it, you know, as a you know,
I look at it as well as it can objectively,
and I'm like, look, I understand maybe a little bit
about what's going on. You have to have a little
bit of grace in the process. But man, that that
dude needs to find some good male mentorship asap, asap,
before things go get derailed real quick. Ronnie, I don't
know if you have any thoughts on this, but those
are my thoughts on the pooka A cool situation.
Speaker 8: Look we all need good mentors.
Speaker 12: I have good mentors, and because I maybe to notice it,
you know, between the ages of fortune and eights and
now that I'm back and I'm older, I can tell
and I look for those people a little bit more
of my life. And Pooka's at that point where I
feel like, you know, you need to be looking for
those positive people. Those people want to build you up.
You know, not everybody has your best interests.
Speaker 8: They don't want you. That's something I've had to learn.
Speaker 12: And this tough, right because you know, when you are
a fun, the life of the party, energy guy and
you have great relationships with people, sometimes people want to
take away from that more than you may know and
more than you may look at. So I hope he's
able to see that. Look still be yourself. I'm not
saying change who you are. I'm just saying change and
you know how you go about things and who you
let in your circle and how you carry yourself. And
I think that's a big thing, and I think you will.
I also do think he's gonna get you know, one
hundred and twenty million guaranteed.
Speaker 8: I think he's gonna get a big deal.
Speaker 12: I think that they're gonna pay him, right, Ben, You're
not gonna let a guy like that walk out the door.
You're not gonna trade him. So the contract will happen.
Whether you know they're nervous or not, it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 4: UH. We're getting towards the end of it.
Speaker 5: What have we learned about this Cougar football team through springball.
Would you say, what is it that that we needed
to find out?
Speaker 4: Wait? I asked a number of questions.
Speaker 5: Okay, I ask a number of questions prior to spring
football kicking off, and uh, I think one of the
key questions was this, what will the defense look like
at least in the initial foray of it under Kelly Papinga,
Gary Anderson the new uh the new coaching staff in
essence with Lewis Walker to Mario Warren on the back
end as the secondary coach, and uh, I believe h
West as well as the assistant quarterbacks go so, Ronald,
from what we saw, what we've been able to gather
through our interviews throughout spring ball, what is it that
we know about this defense that replaces in essence? You
know you're j Hill defensive schematics. I mean a lot
of it's the same, let's be honest. But what if
we learned about the Kelly Papinga defense through spring?
Speaker 12: Yeah, the linebackers have gotten the linebacker group and obviously
he's the one coaching, and Ben has gotten deeper. You
bring the number one trans out of linebacker portal and
Kata Lujave. They add Jake Clifton. Jake Clifton's a dude been.
We've heard that name mentioned a bunch of times.
Speaker 8: Kay confirmed it. You know, Hey lifts with him.
Speaker 12: So yeah, I think that with Isaiah Glastrosialias here, competition
that room is going to be stiff. We learned that
the safety room is deep, you know, folatile raider, Tommy
Prass's right, all three of them are going to be
on the field at some point. So I know it
may sound like a lot of the same, but when
you couple the talent that they've added, impact players to
come in right away, Ben and with the returning production,
it has to bode well. And then leaders that have
emerged right the names that you want to hear at.
Keanu ton of Vasa is obviously rader the moon, he's
gotten vocal, Evan Johnson. You know, Kelly did say you
got a little bit dinged up in the media availability.
But Evan has stepped up in his game, you know,
and Keanu ton of Vasa defensive tackle. Right Justin Kirkland comments,
I know Justin's looked Grady's dropped a little bit of
way he's moving fantastic. So is the defensive line gonna
be better? Interior with Justin Kirkland, that was probably one
piece of the pie. Maybe you could tweak byu was
maybe stop and run a little bit more. But they're
not gonna miss a beat with not with John thalm
Wape not being back. If Justin Kirkland is healthy and
is able to perform as he's been in spring ball
with Keanu who's gonna be year two in that technique,
and the the edge rushers what they bring. So yeah, Ben,
I think what we learned is linebacker group is deeper
than what it has been, more talented for sure, and
then the defensive line, the interior has upped its PU.
We might have to interview him and find out how's
the defensive entire defensive line room, tackles and edge guys doing,
because we we've heard about them, but who are really
the guys Because that's kind of maybe the only question
mark you have when you look at linebackers, cornerbacks, safeties.
Everybody else has performed the way they should have. Tray
Alexander's put on a little bit of wait, you know
when I spoke to Evan Johnson. So the defense is solid,
Ben solid. They just got to get the depth now,
and that's what you want coming in the next year
because the defense was never an issue last year. It
was more so, you know, the offense staying healthy and
guys there. But for the most part, I think BA
is going.
Speaker 8: To be solid. K Pop has got these guys dialed.
Speaker 12: They got to start practice better, right, but they're finishing
strong and he loves their aggressiveness.
Speaker 5: One of the questions we had was RB two, and
I feel like has solidified himself as RB two. I
think the coaching staff has been more than vocal about
how good has looked throughout spring ball. So and he's
he's back to one hundred percent health. That's big time.
RB two seems to be solidified with Shiney Moa running
behind l J.
Speaker 4: Martin. Do we know who RB three is though?
Speaker 5: You now as we sequence it down, is it is
it Preston Rex, is it Devon Eka?
Speaker 4: Is it Logan Pain?
Speaker 5: It seems like this is a race for QB or
for RB three now and it could be between Preston Rex,
uh Devon Eka, and Logan Pain. Devon has received many,
I think uh ajulatory comments from his coaches. We've heard
from Uh A Rod and Uh, you know, I think specifically,
I think most of it's come from A Rod. I
don't know if anybody else has commented on it. Maybe
TJ Woods Uh has has maybe chimed in on that
as well, But A Rod has been been dulling out
a ton of praise towards Devon Eka and even recently
extended that out to Preston Rex that he's really liked
what Press and Rex have.
Speaker 4: Been doing during springball.
Speaker 5: So don't sleep on the RB three competition because we
know it BYU.
Speaker 4: You're going deeper than just RB two.
Speaker 5: You're going to RB three, RB four and sometimes RB
five during the season.
Speaker 12: To give a tween on that, Ben, I think, yeah,
go ahead to bring up a good point. Look that
everyone says, you know, health and LJ both have gotten hurt.
So I think you need to look at Okay, could
RB three be RB one and RB four b RB two.
I think that's a legit conversation you have to have
in people and say, oh this negativity are you trying
to put in there? No, I think you really need
to Press and Rex and Devon I need to stay
ready and even looking paying guys behind Javes, de Mooney,
everybody else in the running back room because if LJ
and go down, I remind people remember a couple of
years ago been with both Hinckley and LJ were dating
three games into the season and then SI popped off.
You have to be ready because running back is so
brutal in college football that look, I don't want to
see the reigning offensive player of the year get dinged up.
I don't want to see an they had back to
back seasons. But if it wo to be in a
game of attrition. If that's the case, Devon, Eck and
Preston need to be ready because their numbers will be
called just like they were last year.
Speaker 5: Yes, Indeed, wide receiver one has been a topic a conversation.
Speaker 4: Recently.
Speaker 5: A Rod was asked a question about the talent in
his wide receiver tight end room, and he said, we
will have plenty, We'll have plenty of options. He mentioned
this in his particular commentary have been really high on
Jojo Phillips, Kyler Casper. He went out of his way
to say kind of things about Tay Nakua, the youngest
Nakua out of the crew. And so do we know
what do we know about our wide receiver room right now.
Speaker 4: We know that.
Speaker 5: A lot of them are are are big, strong and fast. Uh,
you got some speedsters and Cody Hagen who could be
vary intrigued legend glasgar another speedster dynamic can take the
top off. And you have two really good receiving tight ends.
And Roger Salia Paga and Walker Lyons who will steal
some of the reps from some of those that like
the Tertiar the third wide receiver out of the group. Remember,
if you're going twelve personnel, you ain't take an LJ
off the football field. So if Walker and Roger and
LJ are gonna be on the field a lot, that
means there's only two for the tango at the wide
receiver spot.
Speaker 4: Do we know who the top two are right now?
Ronald the three man weaver.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think we have two.
Speaker 12: I if I had to take a guess wide receiver
one and two just off the top, I'm gonna go Kylie, Casper,
Jojo Phillips. I think those of the guys right off
the bat from Kyler making plays and having to come
in and be proven right because he hasn't proven it
being yet. You guys proved that yesterday. You know with
Jared Bletzo Can he hasn't proven it as a wide
receiver one with team being on the P four level
being healthy, right, because he's been dinged up. But he's
been doing that in the springball against this elite defense,
so you have to take that into account.
Speaker 8: Now he does have to go do it on the field.
Speaker 12: But then Jojo, you've heard it constantly, Josiah Phillips is
in rhythm. Yeah, him playing that bowl game, in the
Pop Tarts Bowl game a lot of confidence. He needed
that to come back. So to me, Ben, those are
my two. And then if you want me to go
after that, did I think I'll go this between wide
receiver three.
Speaker 8: I'll leave it to a pool.
Speaker 12: Reggie Fishneck's in that conversation, Legend Glasters in that conversation,
and then take Nicole is in that conversation. All of
those names have been mentioned by the coaching staff, by Kilani,
by a Rod So yeah, for me, those are That's
why I'm taking at the top, and then we can
have the debate about who the final three are later.
Speaker 4: There you go, that's.
Speaker 5: Some of the insider knowledge that we can provide for you.
I think with the other things that we know are
that Pockey Fee now is going to be your left tackle.
I think Andrew Jamesry is going to be your right tackle,
Bruce maketrol Officer your center. And then there's a competition
brewing at the guard spots with a number of tenured,
talented returners and newcomers.
Speaker 4: Something to watch.