Speaker 1: Oh boy, what's happening. You know, it's funny what am
Speaker 1: I supposed to do with all this new data from
Speaker 1: this Coffree scan project that's going around. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: just so much data, and I feel that I've only
Speaker 1: touched the surface of it. You know, we had our
Speaker 1: one program with our three guests, and I want to
Speaker 1: know more. I really want to get the three scientists
Speaker 1: on the program. Filipo Biondi is kind of the focal point,
Speaker 1: but we have Armando May. We've had Armando on the
Speaker 1: program before and we're going to have them again. But
Speaker 1: you know, I just there's so much to you to digest.
Speaker 1: It's almost overwhelming. And this is why I'm trying to
Speaker 1: find it. Hey, this is Cliff, your host of Earth Ancients.
Speaker 1: Hope you're doing well. Today. We are continuing with a
Speaker 1: part two of the scans that were done with JJ
Speaker 1: and Desiree her Talk, who have done extensive underground penetrating
Speaker 1: radar and they have also done other types of scans
Speaker 1: a couple of decades ago, and so they have done
Speaker 1: some really exemplary work and we want to have their
Speaker 1: point of view. But you know, more to the point
Speaker 1: on this scan that we are seeing, and I've been
Speaker 1: posting it on the Facebook page. It really is up
Speaker 1: to the technician to interpret it. And this is the
Speaker 1: big thing that we discovered twenty years ago when light
Speaker 1: Art came on the scene, that they do these intricate
Speaker 1: scans and it comes up with just megabytes of data
Speaker 1: and the technician is the one that has to arrange
Speaker 1: it in such a way that it makes sense. And
Speaker 1: that's where the money is, you know, you're talking about.
Speaker 1: In the old days, it was a million bucks to
Speaker 1: latch one of those scan camera scans onto a helicopter
Speaker 1: or a small plane. Today it's a third or even
Speaker 1: a quarter of expense is expensive one hundred gram and
Speaker 1: you can attach these cameras onto drones and you can
Speaker 1: have the drone fly into really tight little niche areas
Speaker 1: of a forest, of an open plane area of a
Speaker 1: ruined city. With permission, you can do that and you're
Speaker 1: getting great details. This is what's happening with the SAR scan.
Speaker 1: You're getting tons of data and it's looking interesting, but
Speaker 1: it's not being visual. Without the technician, you can't see it.
Speaker 1: What the heck's going on with the technician, And as
Speaker 1: we have heard from Robert Shock, and we heard from
Speaker 1: man who says, today you really have to be careful
Speaker 1: about your interpretation. And so when we see huge shafts
Speaker 1: in the Kaffree Pyramid, under the Kaffree Pyramid, we see
Speaker 1: what looks like buildings and we look like stairways and
Speaker 1: all kinds of strange things, we have something. We need
Speaker 1: to have something that validates that, and we're gonna get
Speaker 1: that today with the JJ Herdtalk. Doctor Herd Talk, who
Speaker 1: actually did scans close to the Caffrey Pyramid in the
Speaker 1: late nineteen nineties. I think he also did it in
Speaker 1: the early two thousand as well, but he did an
Speaker 1: association with Robert Shock. He did it in an association
Speaker 1: with other programs. This was a time when the Antiquities
Speaker 1: Department was much more flexible, and of course you had
Speaker 1: to pay them in some cases a great deal to
Speaker 1: scan and get a license to scan on the Giza plateau.
Speaker 1: But this is all changed. This is all changed. And
Speaker 1: you know, we haven't really heard from the archaeologists, the
Speaker 1: Egyptologists from the United States, from the European Union, from
Speaker 1: other countries as to what their interpretation is of these
Speaker 1: new scans of these Giza pyramids. We're only hearing it
Speaker 1: from Zaghi, who who is not credible anymore? My friends,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to say this. And as the number
Speaker 1: one Egyptologists in the world, Well, the guy is probably
Speaker 1: twenty to thirty years behind the times and is still
Speaker 1: digging into Sakara area. We were there about three four
Speaker 1: years ago and there's some interesting things, but it's it's
Speaker 1: just coffins, you know. Why aren't we seeing more about
Speaker 1: the underground canals and shafts and buildings that are underneath
Speaker 1: the Giza plateau. Why don't we learn more about the
Speaker 1: various shafts that are at the Dojor pyramid at Sakara?
Speaker 1: Why don't we Why don't they use ground penetrating radar?
Speaker 1: Why don't they use you know, it's funny they don't
Speaker 1: use late light ar. The most fundamental and the most
Speaker 1: revealing scan is light ar. And if they don't use it,
Speaker 1: what are we supposed to do. We're supposed to sit
Speaker 1: and wait for them to dig it out, find a
Speaker 1: place that's open. You know. It's just it's really a challenge.
Speaker 1: And I really love Egypt. I enjoy going there. Every
Speaker 1: year we give our tour dollars to the country support
Speaker 1: as much as we can, But just the way the
Speaker 1: academic area is run is sad. It really is sad.
Speaker 1: So but today's program is all about this continual discovery
Speaker 1: of the Caffree Pyramid, the third second Pyramid, and what
Speaker 1: is underneath it and what is in the middle is
Speaker 1: what has been revealed by this stone penetrating scan. Now,
Speaker 1: in the Great Pyramid, the Cufu Pyramid, there is a
Speaker 1: relieving chamber, a main relieving chamber that's above the King's room.
Speaker 1: In the Caffrey Pyramid, there's five relieving chambers. Now, this
Speaker 1: should be easy to identify. If someone could get in
Speaker 1: there and look at the body interior of the Kaffree Pyramid,
Speaker 1: they can justify and actually validate the five relieving chambers.
Speaker 1: It's very, very strange. It's almost like an optical illusion
Speaker 1: when you see these sorrow scans. Remember SAR stands for
Speaker 1: synthetic aperture radar. We're gonna hear the details of some
Speaker 1: more of the details of that today, and you know
Speaker 1: real quickly there's telling us that that that scan could
Speaker 1: go over a mile into the under the ground. If
Speaker 1: that's the case, If that if they can show that's
Speaker 1: actually true, and it does penetrate a mile under the
Speaker 1: under the ground. That is a revolutionary piece of equipment.
Speaker 1: That is amazing. That will not only will it revolutionize
Speaker 1: our understanding of geological formations underground, but it will also
Speaker 1: clarify and shine a light on archaeological ruins underground tunnel systems,
Speaker 1: and and and the like. And and this is what
Speaker 1: is so wonderful about what this is going on. If
Speaker 1: if twenty five percent of what they're showing us as
Speaker 1: actual structures under the surface, that for me is enough.
Speaker 1: If there's more than twenty five percent, we're having a revolution.
Speaker 1: We're having a We're having profound understandings of what these
Speaker 1: ancient buildings were all about. So we're gonna see exactly
Speaker 1: in the coming weeks what's going on now. I might
Speaker 1: mention that Armando may Philippe Beyondi and Malanga, they'll be
Speaker 1: joining us for an in depth interview of just what
Speaker 1: they're hoping to reveal. I think one of the big
Speaker 1: pluses of this is that it's kind of an open
Speaker 1: source scan, meaning that they are taking data from these
Speaker 1: geological satellites and reprocessing it and getting the data that
Speaker 1: they get what I really love about this is and
Speaker 1: if you remember from Manu Safetyday's statement, they're free to
Speaker 1: do this. It's over a mile above the surface. So
Speaker 1: the Antiquities Department, people like Zahi Juas they can raise
Speaker 1: how all they want. It's not in their hands anymore.
Speaker 1: And that's a good thing too. I think if you remember,
Speaker 1: the Scam Pyramid team came up with a ton of
Speaker 1: new data which was edited. They only released a portion
Speaker 1: of it, and that's because the Antiquities Department didn't feel
Speaker 1: they wanted to release the full spectrum of data. And
Speaker 1: that's sad because we were supposed to learn more about
Speaker 1: the void over the King's Chamber and the Cufu Pyramid,
Speaker 1: some lower voids underneath the causeways and underneath the actual pyramid.
Speaker 1: So we take it out of their hand, and I
Speaker 1: hope that we see if it shows that this star
Speaker 1: scanning technology is valid. I hope to see it around
Speaker 1: the world in the same manner that the technicians who
Speaker 1: are trained to use it collect the data in Mexico
Speaker 1: and South America, in China. Can you imagine having it
Speaker 1: in China those huge white pyramids, piercing those pyramids and
Speaker 1: collecting the data and the Chinese can't do anything about it.
Speaker 1: You know, that's not really being a great citizen. But
Speaker 1: you know what if they're going to cover it up
Speaker 1: and not show us, you know, this is our ancient past,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's just how I feel about it.
Speaker 1: I think this data should be available freely, without editing,
Speaker 1: without restrictions, and you know, the payment is the payment
Speaker 1: is recognition of this country. So housing these ancient ruins,
Speaker 1: so that puts you on the map and so forth
Speaker 1: and so on. Obviously, I'm not a politician, I'm not
Speaker 1: a statesman, and I'm speaking from an individual perspective who
Speaker 1: travels a great deal deal who does talk about ancient artifacts,
Speaker 1: cultures and their ruins. So anyhow, today's program is the
Speaker 1: Coffree Pyramid Project, Part two, and my guests are doctors
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Speaker 1: Jj and Desiree Hartog on the not only the SAR
Speaker 1: satellite design and their interpretation of it, but also their
Speaker 1: opinion of the goings on in the Giza Plateau because
Speaker 1: we just can't get a straight answer from people like
Speaker 1: Sahiro Hawas, who constantly, constantly is covering these things up.
Speaker 1: I've had Egyptologists on here, most notably doctor Jamie and
Speaker 1: down in La who believes that Egyptology has pretty much
Speaker 1: had it. It's really kind of a dead science, if
Speaker 1: you can call it a science. But the hard dogs
Speaker 1: are have been on the Giza Plateau for a number
Speaker 1: of years. They understand what's there, and not only do
Speaker 1: we want their interpretation, it's kind of nice to get
Speaker 1: a sense of what they're up to. So Jj and Desiree,
Speaker 1: good to see you and welcome back to Earth Ancients.
Speaker 1: How you guys doing.
Speaker 2: It's great to be with you and your audience. We
Speaker 2: want to commend you on the great speakers you've had
Speaker 2: recently regarding the shall we say, the New Egyptian hypothesis
Speaker 2: with Robert Schock.
Speaker 3: So I was exciting to hear him, we kind of
Speaker 3: agree with what he had said.
Speaker 2: We published papers with Robert Schak on Janaguni. We course
Speaker 2: have extensive backgrounds. Both of us are social scientists. I'm
Speaker 2: also a specialist in remote sensing, airborne radar and grun
Speaker 2: penetrating radar.
Speaker 3: Right in the nineteen eighties, actually doctor Jagret several papers
Speaker 3: on synthetic aperture radar or SAR. And of course what's
Speaker 3: coming out from our associates in Italy is that they're
Speaker 3: taking the data, but they're enhancing that data. That's what
Speaker 3: they're claiming as to how they can go that deep.
Speaker 2: I was a private consultant the JEFF Propulsion Lab. I
Speaker 2: worked with Tommy Thompson, who developed the state of the
Speaker 2: art its synthetic aperture radar. Charles Ilacchi, who was also
Speaker 2: in charge of the data collection from SI R B
Speaker 2: flights over Egypt.
Speaker 3: That's A and c B.
Speaker 2: Also deeply interested in looking for underground artifacts. At that time,
Speaker 2: we could only go down about two meters in dry sand,
Speaker 2: so what was interesting.
Speaker 3: Some of his papers are available in research.
Speaker 2: I work with John Ford, for example, on an environmental erosion,
Speaker 2: and we had the opportunity to work on some of
Speaker 2: the top levels with the top specialists in the world.
Speaker 3: And just to say one of the things that he
Speaker 3: did rite. But the four paper, unfortunately was in the eighties,
Speaker 3: so it is not available on the internet yet we're
Speaker 3: going to put it on our site because of all
Speaker 3: of this. But they looked at North Africa and they
Speaker 3: could see underground river and that confirms with what Shock
Speaker 3: was talking about Robert Shaw from literally almost Egypt or
Speaker 3: at least Central Africa all the way down.
Speaker 2: To Lake Chad and from Lake Chad to Nigeria.
Speaker 3: So they saw that, but it wasn't as deep and
Speaker 3: it's also not going through stone as much as it
Speaker 3: is going through sand. So you always have to look
Speaker 3: at how deep this technology can go and the data
Speaker 3: you're getting.
Speaker 1: What do you think of Beoni's recalibrating and reinterpreting the
Speaker 1: SAR data. I mean, this is a geological satellite that
Speaker 1: they are repurposing for scanning pyramids. If you remember, I
Speaker 1: think it was June of twenty twenty two, they scanned
Speaker 1: the Kufu Pyramid and the data that came back was
Speaker 1: so complex. They had new rooms, new shafts, new tunnels,
Speaker 1: and it was like, where is this coming from? We
Speaker 1: didn't get any kind of confirmation or background material on
Speaker 1: how stars could penetrate the body of the Kufa Pyramids.
Speaker 1: So what was your opinion of that scan?
Speaker 3: I think they did the right technik of trying to
Speaker 3: see if we can match what we already know, which
Speaker 3: is in the Great Pyramids, what you're talking about, and
Speaker 3: then if we can confirm that, then that's a sample
Speaker 3: of what exists then in the Jeff Pyramid, now the
Speaker 3: Middle Pyramid for those who are not so familiar. But
Speaker 3: as you said, some of it looked accurate because we
Speaker 3: do know there's a subterranean passageway which we've been into
Speaker 3: many times, and we also, you know, a.
Speaker 2: Sub tunnel system five mile or five six kilometer long
Speaker 2: connecting the pyramids that very few people have been in.
Speaker 2: In fact, there's a film out here on the internet
Speaker 2: where I'm walking in one of the tunnel systems from
Speaker 2: our research that we did in the nineteen eighties and nineties.
Speaker 3: Well let's go take it slower, though, doctor Jack. So basically,
Speaker 3: if they can show what's going on in the Great
Speaker 3: Pyramid matches what's going on in the Middle Pyramid, then
Speaker 3: I think they have something, but they don't show that
Speaker 3: much difference and certainly not that deep as they're claiming.
Speaker 3: So I think the main thing is I understand that
Speaker 3: he's taking the data bits, he's expounding on those in
Speaker 3: terms of figuring it out where, how and what it
Speaker 3: really looks like. But these are just literally data. I mean,
Speaker 3: there are little points on a screen. So you have
Speaker 3: to make sure you do it right and it has
Speaker 3: to be confirmed. And I think that's where Robert Schock
Speaker 3: was coming in. Let's go and confirm it now one
Speaker 3: of the things we want to and so until they
Speaker 3: really can confirm a little.
Speaker 2: Bit, we don't have to see more on his protocol.
Speaker 1: Did you guys actually see I mean my issue is
Speaker 1: that I think that the interpretation of the data and
Speaker 1: the final analysis is really up to the technician, and
Speaker 1: if he can confirm was there in the past, then
Speaker 1: we know about that because we know about the King's
Speaker 1: chamber and the Queen's chamber and the subterranean shaft and
Speaker 1: the Cufu Pyramid that I've seen all of this myself.
Speaker 1: I've been in there.
Speaker 2: We published it in our book.
Speaker 1: But but you remember the big question that the that
Speaker 1: the pyramids scan group, the Japanese, the friend the Egyptian
Speaker 1: group that use mom technology. They also confirmed a void
Speaker 1: above the King's chamber that we see in the Tsar scan.
Speaker 1: But you know everyone's saying not everyone, but the Egyptologies
Speaker 1: are saying. Egyptologists are saying, no, this is all bs
Speaker 1: most notably Zahilas is saying this is all invalid. Why
Speaker 1: would the Egyitologists so just summarily dismiss all this?
Speaker 3: Okay, well let's go back. So it's the neuon scan project.
Speaker 3: It's called the scan project using muons. It's like X rays.
Speaker 3: Neuons are constantly coming in through everything, I mean even
Speaker 3: where you're sitting right now, and they have like almost
Speaker 3: like an X ray sheet. It's a really square box
Speaker 3: that they're receiving it. Now, when you talk about the uh, yeah,
Speaker 3: the voids that they were confirming about, those are really
Speaker 3: high up in the pyramid. Some of them are above
Speaker 3: the Great Pyramid. There's a couple that's at a certain
Speaker 3: type of entrance towards the Great Pyramid. So those are
Speaker 3: the two voys that they see. Now, that's, as they said,
Speaker 3: above ground level. What did they show below ground level?
Speaker 3: That's the real question. And if they don't show really deep,
Speaker 3: which is what they're claiming in the Kaffern Pyramid, then
Speaker 3: I don't think that they can really claim that. I mean,
Speaker 3: we've done grown penetrating radar. I'll show you a picture
Speaker 3: of doctor Hrtak in our book Giesus Industrial Complex, because
Speaker 3: we agree that there's more underneath the ground than there
Speaker 3: is above the ground. So here's a picture of doctor
Speaker 3: Hirtak doing ground penetrating radar with associates right at one
Speaker 3: of the Queen's areas in the Giza Plata on the
Speaker 3: Giza Plateau. In addition to that, we are and this
Speaker 3: is brought up by actually Trevor and your last show,
Speaker 3: we were one of the founders of the Tomb of Osiris.
Speaker 2: Which is the finders of the Tomb of Cyrus.
Speaker 1: The shaft you go down the shaft.
Speaker 3: Not only yeah, but we were the first actually listen,
Speaker 3: there was yeah.
Speaker 2: And on the third level of down approximately one hundred
Speaker 2: to two hundred and ten feet, we were able because
Speaker 2: the nile was very shall at that time.
Speaker 3: The waterless.
Speaker 2: We dig lolled on the surface about four inches, removing
Speaker 2: the surface clay material, and there we found the lid
Speaker 2: which is illustrated in the book. We actually had movie
Speaker 2: cameras with us, so there's no doubt that we were
Speaker 2: the first team there in February of nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 2: two years before the news release that Ziahawas gave with
Speaker 2: Fox Television. You remember that special nineteen ninety nine. Of
Speaker 2: course we know we were there. In fact, zaiahwas was
Speaker 2: nice enough to say the news release, Oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: there was a team here two years before, and that
Speaker 2: was our research team, but doctor Joseph Shore, so it's.
Speaker 3: Called the Shore Expedition. And we were able to get
Speaker 3: down there, and as Trevor mentioned, there was you know,
Speaker 3: you could only see sand and dustin and dir whatever
Speaker 3: is at the bottom there. And because we were actually
Speaker 3: trying to do some radar, we had ground predatoring radar
Speaker 3: and we also had sonar because there's water down there,
Speaker 3: we were able to clear off an area and found
Speaker 3: the lid.
Speaker 2: Also, we were using musical technology to look at the
Speaker 2: acoustical possibilities off the quote unquote underground chambers. Oh, we
Speaker 2: were very fortunate, and again in the court of law,
Speaker 2: the younger generation of Egyptologists will recognize we were the
Speaker 2: first team. Really to score, define this, to film it,
Speaker 2: to document it before all of the other quote unquote
Speaker 2: claims were made much later.
Speaker 1: What did the stars scan reveal to you that was
Speaker 1: unique or different or new.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing is they're claiming that it's extremely deep,
Speaker 3: and of course we were one hundred feet down physically
Speaker 3: standing there, and we did some we'll say ground predatory
Speaker 3: radar on the walls, and we did see some cavities
Speaker 3: or what you call voids in the wall. So we
Speaker 3: do believe. Now where is the two of us? Okay,
Speaker 3: I'll just give you a kind of picture. You take
Speaker 3: one corner of the Cafrne Pyramid and go towards the Sphinx,
Speaker 3: and then you cross that with one of the corners
Speaker 3: of the Great Pyramid. You're pretty much where the tim
Speaker 3: of Osiris is. So it's almost not quite the center,
Speaker 3: but one could call it close to the center of
Speaker 3: the Giza plateau. Everyone who's done research there and even
Speaker 3: gone into some of the public tombs will say there's
Speaker 3: more under the ground of Egypt than above the ground.
Speaker 1: And we've had people on the show who have used
Speaker 1: ground penetrating radar, like William Brown and others who have
Speaker 1: verified this what's odd though, and I want you both
Speaker 1: of your opinions on this. Why is this not revealed
Speaker 1: by Egyptology. If there's an inter secting tunnel system, likely
Speaker 1: temples and other structures under the ground in the Giza plateau,
Speaker 1: why not talk about it.
Speaker 2: Well, there's the enormous wealth that is suspected to be
Speaker 2: in the subsurface area. Also, to take the Egyptian point
Speaker 2: of view, there is a military based thirty five miles
Speaker 2: south of Giza. So from the standpoint of surface measurements,
Speaker 2: at least with new techniques of scanning technology will be
Speaker 2: prohibitive to a lot outsiders to come in because you
Speaker 2: have very selective locations. Very few people are aware of this,
Speaker 2: but we had to go through an arm and a
Speaker 2: light back in the nineteen eighties and nineties to get
Speaker 2: the permission to bring in technology remote sensing technology. We
Speaker 2: had to be very patient and a lot of the
Speaker 2: people who are trying to do this, so we say
Speaker 2: wing it on their own, do not acknowledge the sensitivity
Speaker 2: of the historic cultural sites as well as the locations
Speaker 2: that are crucial for the situation in the Middle East,
Speaker 2: which they say the least is not a stable situation.
Speaker 3: And they're also just not going to start digging in
Speaker 3: and shock is right if you don't actually see it
Speaker 3: beyond just the you know, the graphs that are seen
Speaker 3: from synthetic capture radar, which are airborne and in some
Speaker 3: cases spaceborne, although these are data, so you know, and
Speaker 3: how deep does it really go? That's the thing. So
Speaker 3: when you can stand one hundred feet down on the plateau,
Speaker 3: which we did and other people can now do you know,
Speaker 3: you can see what's there, and you know what's there,
Speaker 3: but there's there's cavities if I could call the cavities
Speaker 3: all around the area, and many of them probably do
Speaker 3: go that deep.
Speaker 2: So we highly recommend this book Egypt's Industrial Complex because
Speaker 2: we look at the possibility that there were ground batteries
Speaker 2: that were used, and that would explain the so called
Speaker 2: illustration that the Italians have come with these so called
Speaker 2: towerlike smoke stack shafts figurations. Now in our book, on
Speaker 2: page ninety, actually I'm going to see one. Okay, we
Speaker 2: want to show a picture of of what we have
Speaker 2: here illustrated. It's the idea of the towers and arrangements
Speaker 2: of four units.
Speaker 1: Guys need to send me that photo will put a
Speaker 1: little gallery up on the Facebook page of a couple
Speaker 1: of I have that book, but I just moved, so
Speaker 1: it's buried in some box.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I just want to say we're showing gizus.
Speaker 3: This is not in Geezer. Sorry, We're showing the Hawara
Speaker 3: Pyramid and research that was done with permission from the
Speaker 3: government by the Polish team that we work with, and
Speaker 3: you can see some similar scenarios, although they're not claiming
Speaker 3: that far down that deep, but this is literally ground
Speaker 3: penetrating radar showing certain types of cavities underneath the Hawara Pyramid.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm going to ask you again before we
Speaker 1: go on to the Kaffree Pyramid. Why do you think
Speaker 1: that Egyptology, the Egyptians themselves are so hesitant to talk
Speaker 1: about underground cavities, buildings, structures, chefs.
Speaker 2: The paradigm of normative history, the Abrahamic tradition the Middle
Speaker 2: East that goes back in the classical sense six thousand
Speaker 2: years would be disrupted. So I would say that if
Speaker 2: you were a sociologist looking at the possibility that people
Speaker 2: could take this as a challenge to their theology or
Speaker 2: their cultural traditions, that this would be a sufficient reason
Speaker 2: to wait and have a teamate from what I would
Speaker 2: call international scholars, specialists and many disciplines come in to
Speaker 2: do this properly, not individuals, but making exordinary claims the cliffs.
Speaker 3: This takes place, as you know, in many places around
Speaker 3: the planet, and if you go to Mexico you find
Speaker 3: the same kind of logistics. You have to be careful.
Speaker 3: Even on the famous twenty twelve event, the Mayans wanted
Speaker 3: to do dancing around Chitsanitza. They finally got permission, but
Speaker 3: they weren't even allowed to dance for the most part
Speaker 3: in that area. And then they let them in about
Speaker 3: six o'clock in the morning, and then by the time
Speaker 3: the tourists came, they were trying to kick them out.
Speaker 3: So I mean, it's a struggle everywhere with the traditionalist.
Speaker 2: So it's a combination of Egyptology, of artifacts that they
Speaker 2: want to preserve and keep in a strata where the
Speaker 2: experts can look, the sociology, the cultural impact, the psychology,
Speaker 2: and the political science of instability in the Middle East,
Speaker 2: all of which tell us that one has to be
Speaker 2: very careful in opening up really the deeper depths. I
Speaker 2: call it the underground strata of what could be the
Speaker 2: origins of civilization for many cultural traditions in the Middle East.
Speaker 3: Well, let me say everywhere. If you go even to Skara,
Speaker 3: the Sacara Pyramid. I don't have a picture in front
Speaker 3: of me on that, but if you look at it,
Speaker 3: they recently have cleared a tomb that you overlook from
Speaker 3: the ground level and you really literally looked down of
Speaker 3: many ten of feet and you can see certain aspects
Speaker 3: of this. I just it's not the same place, but
Speaker 3: you can actually see many many things go down under
Speaker 3: the ground. So what are we saying with our associate
Speaker 3: James Brown who co wrote this book with us. It's
Speaker 3: available on Amazon and.
Speaker 2: Was looked at by Otto Shoden was one of the
Speaker 2: great Egyptologists, and doctor Klaus Barret from the University of
Speaker 2: Chicago and the agreed with our hypothesis there was another
Speaker 2: strata of Egyptian civilization.
Speaker 3: So that may take us back to either et civilizations
Speaker 3: or what we prefer is Atlantean data and information that
Speaker 3: was part of this global grid point. And that's that
Speaker 3: our book and The Keys of Enoch talk about that
Speaker 3: this was one of the main grid points. You know,
Speaker 3: people say it's in the center of the land masses
Speaker 3: on the Earth. It's a key location. There's if you
Speaker 3: draw a line, there's actually a type of mini Stonehenge
Speaker 3: at the south part of Egypt. Just on from there,
Speaker 3: you keep going down, you get to the Adams Calendar.
Speaker 3: So there's a whole alignment, and that's part of it.
Speaker 3: But let's go back to how can you get an
Speaker 3: industrial complex at Giza, and we claim there's water. There's
Speaker 3: water throughout this. It's very strange. Even if you go
Speaker 3: down to underneath the Great Pyramid, you'll find some evidences
Speaker 3: that at one point water had been there.
Speaker 2: So we believe water hydrugs was used. And a German
Speaker 2: Polish team some years ago put a film called chiaps
Speaker 2: Luga or the Lies of Chiops, showing that there is
Speaker 2: a much earlier understanding of how water technology was used
Speaker 2: quite successfully. Yeah the pre dynastic scientist.
Speaker 3: So we would claim that, and we did in our
Speaker 3: book that basically the water came into the subterranean chamber
Speaker 3: and you could see where those devices would fit in.
Speaker 3: Not that I'm saying what he's showing is correct, but
Speaker 3: we do believe that that's part of the complex. Then
Speaker 3: it goes up actually for us into the Grand Gallery
Speaker 3: where there's little edges on both sides that could have
Speaker 3: anodes and cathodes for those of people who understand hydrogen energy,
Speaker 3: which should be our latest and newest and greatest technology
Speaker 3: for our planet. And then it goes up with the
Speaker 3: hydrogen gas into the King's chamber. So a lot of
Speaker 3: things like the Dendero light bulb, which Eric von Donni
Speaker 3: can put together and show that gas could light up
Speaker 3: this light bulb, and that's available on YouTube just to
Speaker 3: look at that.
Speaker 2: But there's an interesting sociological anthropological side to the claims
Speaker 2: because that the massive underground cavities would suggest if this
Speaker 2: was being used by some form of intelligence, these would
Speaker 2: be giants like exemplified by these huge statues on the
Speaker 2: Giza Plateau, beings that are several meters high. And in
Speaker 2: our work, as you may or may not know, we
Speaker 2: were featured by experts it's working. When vond Anakin as
Speaker 2: having found the footprints in Africa a meter plus in
Speaker 2: length that matched the skeletual forms of a reconstructed giant
Speaker 2: that was found in Ecuador, and here I am being
Speaker 2: pictured between the giant footprints and the giant sculptural form.
Speaker 1: Rising need to send me that photograph for our Facebook page.
Speaker 2: So we know that the giants did exist, they would
Speaker 2: inhabit these so called underground sanctuaries. But the way the
Speaker 2: paper is put together, I would agree with doctor Shock.
Speaker 2: There's not enough information there to really be hopeful that
Speaker 2: there was this sizeable smokestack type of civilization.
Speaker 1: So do you guys believe that? I mean, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the Kaffrey Pyramid scan, which is what the big
Speaker 1: hullabaloo is all about. What's your feeling on the underground
Speaker 1: type of piercing and the depth of the star scan.
Speaker 1: It seems to be almost too much. It's a mile
Speaker 1: and a half.
Speaker 3: No, I mean that's the problem. Again. You could show
Speaker 3: the voids in the Great Pyramid, but what's underneath the
Speaker 3: Great Pyramid? What's blow the subterranean chamber? They weren't even
Speaker 3: talking about that, and it's the same thing. So we
Speaker 3: were one hundred feet down. That's very short of a mile,
Speaker 3: I mean, because I can climb it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but death it's crazy, I mean.
Speaker 3: It is. It's too much. It's that's why we don't
Speaker 3: agree with it. But you know, is there something underneath
Speaker 3: the ground of Giza. Absolutely, that's the whole people are
Speaker 3: trying to find actual evidence for. We can't say anything.
Speaker 3: Actually the ground penetrating radio radar we did on the walls,
Speaker 3: that tech, you know, information is gone at this point
Speaker 3: except for maybe people who were there that had been
Speaker 3: with us. Basically, to go that deep is probably not
Speaker 3: really logical with synthetic aperture radar. Again, doctor Hert I
Speaker 3: wrote three professional papers on that technology.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a short commercial break to allow our
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Speaker 1: guests today, doctors JJ and Desiree her Talk talking about
Speaker 1: this new scan known as the Caffrey Pyramid scan. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back with you. I guess today are doctors
Speaker 1: JJ and Desiree hard Talk. They have spent time on
Speaker 1: the Giza plateau, studying not only the Caffre and Kufu pyramids,
Speaker 1: but also using ground penetrating radar to discover chambers, shafts,
Speaker 1: and other anomalies that are underneath these ancient monuments. Is
Speaker 1: there a subterranean shaft level like Cufu and the Caffree Pyramid.
Speaker 1: I've never been in that pyramid.
Speaker 3: Well, there isn't that we know of, but there is
Speaker 3: some small you can really tell that most of the
Speaker 3: places with our theory is and here you can see
Speaker 3: the three pyramids. We think that that they were all
Speaker 3: connecting the nile. That's basically what they were doing, and
Speaker 3: that that energy technology, the water was down there. So
Speaker 3: he may be accurate. He may just be saying this
Speaker 3: is what's below the grape the cafe.
Speaker 1: So are you are you in agreement with shock where
Speaker 1: he's saying, we need to see more evidence of definitely
Speaker 1: what could be underneath the Kaffree Pyramid before we kind
Speaker 1: of go nuts and say there's four shafts and there's
Speaker 1: a whole. They're saying there's an underground city under the
Speaker 1: Kaffree Pyramid, which is like, what are you talking to him?
Speaker 2: Well, this graps headlines, tabloid headlines. I have worked with
Speaker 2: Robert Schock. I like him very much as a colleague.
Speaker 2: He's an expert and I would concur with his situation.
Speaker 2: Unless we see more scientific evidence, we would be cautious.
Speaker 2: I mean would be a thrill to see that this
Speaker 2: would be a real situation and Islamic history. Being know
Speaker 2: that there were artifacts placed in Giza. That was a
Speaker 2: very unique area crossroads of civilization from Middle East, from Africa,
Speaker 2: from Greece and Rome. But at the same time one
Speaker 2: has to be should we say, diligent in the scientific
Speaker 2: measurement before you make these claims.
Speaker 3: Right, and so just to say, like the Sakara Pyramid,
Speaker 3: which is just a short drived south of Giza. As
Speaker 3: you know, this isn't our book, and that we published
Speaker 3: this in really originally twenty twelve, but it came out
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen. You can see that there's much more
Speaker 3: underneath the ground of the car and now they've actually
Speaker 3: dug out a tomb that is like down here, but
Speaker 3: it's also something that you can just look down and see.
Speaker 3: So that's an amazing thing. There is much more. We
Speaker 3: don't feel these pyramids were for burial purposes. In fact,
Speaker 3: an ancient not Hamadi text for the Christians it said.
Speaker 2: The text of Asclepias, he's being given this information from
Speaker 2: a higher source we would call a divine source. Eachypt
Speaker 2: was once the schoolhouse of the gods.
Speaker 3: And now has become a place of tombs and corpses.
Speaker 2: So that's from the Scleppius. I went to Egypt as
Speaker 2: a young student, to learn a Coptic to work with
Speaker 2: the Knackamandy texts, to look at what we will call
Speaker 2: the mystical Judeo Christian tradition, the esoteric tradition. That's affirms
Speaker 2: the fact that there was a much larger layer of
Speaker 2: civilization in the Middle East, but it went all across
Speaker 2: North Africa into the Atlantic against the so we say
Speaker 2: mythology of Atlantis as being the dominant culture and Egypt
Speaker 2: being a secondary culture. I want to move on quickly
Speaker 2: to a book we just published called min Dynamics and
Speaker 2: Space and Time. This is all of the research that
Speaker 2: was done at Stanford Research Institute, the top think tank
Speaker 2: on the West Coast, with the physicists and mathematicians using
Speaker 2: what is called remote viewing the ability of the mind
Speaker 2: to use the consciousness to reach out through space and
Speaker 2: time and see artifacts without the use of technology. This
Speaker 2: information source, of course, was downplayed by the American intelligence
Speaker 2: community until nineteen ninety five when our associate Russell targ
Speaker 2: was able to get it upgraded and so we worked
Speaker 2: together behind the scenes with top experts including Dodger, Elizabeth Rauscher,
Speaker 2: and in this book, Mind Dynamics. We illustrate our ability
Speaker 2: of mind dynamics over a distance of five six thousand
Speaker 2: miles away from California and Arizona to look underneath Egypt
Speaker 2: and find the existence of rooms. And this book actually
Speaker 2: show us pictures of some of the expl Did.
Speaker 1: You guys made target Giza Pyramids?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I know, we were there, and Elizabeth Rauscher was
Speaker 3: in Phoenix actually and you can see actually she was
Speaker 3: picking up on the Sphinx, which exactly where we were.
Speaker 3: But I like to show you that also there are
Speaker 3: some side cavities of the Sphinx Because the Egyptians authorities
Speaker 3: are looking underneath the ground. They are doing some of
Speaker 3: the research themselves, not in the large scale that we
Speaker 3: would love to see, but people have been given permission
Speaker 3: for ground prenetrating radar in many places.
Speaker 2: So there are individuals that have mental sensitivity that can
Speaker 2: see things in remote viewing that then is matched by
Speaker 2: brown penetrating radar.
Speaker 1: Grown Yeah, we've had We've had Russell on the program
Speaker 1: and we've had others with the remote viewing. Can you
Speaker 1: divulge what was found underneath either the Cufu or the
Speaker 1: Catherine Pyramid with the remote viewing. Did they actually confirm
Speaker 1: anything that we know or find anything.
Speaker 2: There's a room with documents that will be found and
Speaker 2: located underneath the uh the Cufu Pyramids.
Speaker 3: Documents, well, some of the documents could really be in
Speaker 3: the form of mathematics, like a there were a Robert
Speaker 3: Grant talks about you know that whether there are books
Speaker 3: or but pyriate that's probably doesn't exists. But if it's
Speaker 3: geometry like you see this, or certain signs and seals
Speaker 3: on the walls, then as you see behind us, this
Speaker 3: is of course just an illustration that gives us the
Speaker 3: information that we're looking for.
Speaker 2: That is to say, the Great Pyramids a type of
Speaker 2: time capsule. Not only does it have the potential of energy,
Speaker 2: but also has the area of music acoustics. We illustrated
Speaker 2: this and experiments we did in the nineteen eighties and nineties.
Speaker 2: You can see here in a picture of golden lights
Speaker 2: in the Grand Gallery and the Grand Calorie. When I
Speaker 2: was doing certain music tests, the sounds were so strong
Speaker 2: and amplified by the walls and the geometry of the
Speaker 2: interior of the pyramid that standing Columner waves were created
Speaker 2: and through this process a light minute manifested for a
Speaker 2: few seconds which we were able to capture as you
Speaker 2: see here. So the Great Pyramid is really a combination
Speaker 2: of different energy processes that I believe has been left
Speaker 2: behind as a blueprint of evolution.
Speaker 1: And if you can.
Speaker 3: See, if you're into science at all, on both sides
Speaker 3: on equal exactly parallel to each other, there's these little
Speaker 3: crevices and they would be perfect to hold types of
Speaker 3: anode or cathode energy that with water could create this
Speaker 3: hydrogen gas.
Speaker 2: So Chris Dunn is on the right track. He is
Speaker 2: amplifying work from my colleague Boris Ie and I was
Speaker 2: his scientific consultant, and I passed on all of the
Speaker 2: music work of f Sharp to Boris who then pasted
Speaker 2: under Chris Dunn. Chris is not aware of the fact
Speaker 2: that we were doing the musicology test also with a
Speaker 2: man by the name of Allen Howorth who was a
Speaker 2: musical designer for Star Trek programs one to six. So
Speaker 2: he brought together the top geologist, archaeologist, musicologists, linguist, pramidologist,
Speaker 2: each of ptologists. You have to have a team action,
Speaker 2: and we felt that this was just the tip of
Speaker 2: an iceberg that below the basement complex of the Pyramid
Speaker 2: of Coup for the largest pyramid, there would be documents
Speaker 2: that would be found that we give us some sense
Speaker 2: of why this was really the wonder of the ancient world,
Speaker 2: revealing a much earlier history if you managed going back
Speaker 2: not ten thousand years, but possibly twenty maybe thirty thousand
Speaker 2: years we're present.
Speaker 3: So to summon up. We totally believe there's something underneath
Speaker 3: the Giza plateau. That we've been there, We've looked at
Speaker 3: the data. You know, our association for Sayid, who was
Speaker 3: with us also on the shore expedition, was there with
Speaker 3: shock when they looked and saw on ground penetrating radars
Speaker 3: something under the paw of the sinks. All this stuff
Speaker 3: is valid, but are they proving it by the new research?
Speaker 3: Not to our understanding yet. Let's see more of how
Speaker 3: it works.
Speaker 1: We need we need more data. It's my opinion. I'm
Speaker 1: a Mayanist. It's my opinion that the technology behind pyramids
Speaker 1: is not Pharonic. It's not Pharaohs. These guys just found it.
Speaker 1: They showed up and adapted it. And it's unfortunate that
Speaker 1: likely when they were into the Great Pyramid, Kufou and
Speaker 1: Cafrine and the other scar, the Dojor Pyramids and many others.
Speaker 1: They gutted it of the tech that was in there.
Speaker 1: It took the technology out of the well.
Speaker 3: You know, when they did the little I think it's
Speaker 3: called Ukuwat going up, they saw metal handles on one
Speaker 3: of the blockage like door blockages. Yeah, so there was
Speaker 3: no doubt metal whatever material that was in various parts
Speaker 3: and that is gone. In fact, let me just show.
Speaker 2: So when we talked to Gottenbrink, he was very disappointed
Speaker 2: that he was not able to press forward with his
Speaker 2: initial findings. Yeah, it's the rooms behind they still called
Speaker 2: sending chambers.
Speaker 1: Problem when you have to deal with the Egyptian authorities.
Speaker 1: You know, they've also stopped the scan Pyramid team from
Speaker 1: revealing the data on this void above the King's chamber
Speaker 1: everybody wants to know about and I have to let
Speaker 1: I mean you guys, we all have to laugh at
Speaker 1: the fact that this new team, the Star team, didn't
Speaker 1: ask permission to scan the pyramid. They just did it
Speaker 1: and they revealed the data and the Egyptians are having
Speaker 1: a cow about it because they can't control the release
Speaker 1: of the data.
Speaker 2: Again, this is a military area. This is not just
Speaker 2: an archaeological area. It's it's a very sensitive area in
Speaker 2: a should we say a destabilized Middle East, So you
Speaker 2: can see from their viewpoints, and I would say this
Speaker 2: is aihuas he has brought tens of millions of dollars
Speaker 2: to the poor Egyptian people by his way of Egyptology.
Speaker 2: So I can understand their situation because the Europeans of
Speaker 2: the nineteenth century took tons upon tons of documentation in
Speaker 2: all direct So if I was in their situation, I
Speaker 2: would be somewhat reluctant to the outsiders is coming and
Speaker 2: display with their technical tools.
Speaker 3: Looks so much. Even above the ground, there's tons of
Speaker 3: pyramids as well, and it's like Mexico. If you find
Speaker 3: another pyramid, they don't want to know about it because
Speaker 3: if they find something, they have to protect it, they
Speaker 3: have to manage it. They have to and they're making
Speaker 3: a lot of money. In fact, we were shocked last
Speaker 3: time we went back. You know that they got lines
Speaker 3: and everything to get your ticket to even go into
Speaker 3: the Great Pyramid. I want to say that one thing
Speaker 3: about pyramids, because you mentioned it. There's a legend and
Speaker 3: this goes back to Herodidus about the area of one
Speaker 3: of the lakes Lake Morris, just again by Hawara and
Speaker 3: by the Joseph Canal as they call it, and Heradidas
Speaker 3: said that these pyramids go down into the lake as
Speaker 3: far as they go up. Now these no longer exists,
Speaker 3: but there's legends about them. So that's our argument that
Speaker 3: the water was critical for the technology, and hydrogen being
Speaker 3: one aspect, but you can actually do a lot more.
Speaker 3: Of course, with more sophisticated technology and water.
Speaker 2: Usin would be the potential of underground engineering that was
Speaker 2: done by those of a different scientific period of time
Speaker 2: that had that ability.
Speaker 3: So I'll just read these words. This is from Herodotus
Speaker 3: and here people.
Speaker 2: Want to check it out, the great historian.
Speaker 3: It's called the History by Herodotus, where he says, in
Speaker 3: about the middle of the lake stand two pyramids that
Speaker 3: top the water. Each one is fifty phantoms. Each one
Speaker 3: is built as much again underwater, so you know, every
Speaker 3: single one of these, I think even we're even saying
Speaker 3: some of the mastabahs have underground structures. So you know,
Speaker 3: it's hard to deny any of that situation. But that's
Speaker 3: where you know we're as well.
Speaker 1: Does Heroditus hint at the fact that this seems to
Speaker 1: be beyond the capabilities of the pharaohs that he encountered
Speaker 1: or the people he encountered when he was touring Egypt.
Speaker 3: Well, let's go and take a look at one thing
Speaker 3: that we publish in my dynamics, which is our remote viewing,
Speaker 3: but our social remote view This is where I was diving.
Speaker 3: I wasn't with a total gear, it wasn't that deep.
Speaker 3: But this is Bimini. This is the Bimini Road. And really,
Speaker 3: when you look at it in a fuller, you know way,
Speaker 3: we've only done it very primitively, you can see that
Speaker 3: there was much more even around Bimini, which is we
Speaker 3: would consider the ancient Atlantis. Right now, we're doing research
Speaker 3: in the Azor area. We have we're looking at a
Speaker 3: sonar to look to see if there's pyramids under the
Speaker 3: area of the Azores, because if you go to one
Speaker 3: of the nearby islands from San Miguel, there's an island
Speaker 3: called Pico, and that's we're talking the middle practically actually
Speaker 3: right on the North Atlantic Ridge in the Atlantic Ocean.
Speaker 3: Peco has pyramids. So you have pyramids everywhere. You also
Speaker 3: have pyramids in the Grand Canary Islands, you have them
Speaker 3: in the Mauritius. You have them in many, many places.
Speaker 2: All the great ancient cultures hit pyramids. Pyramids were a
Speaker 2: stepping stone to the higher cosmos, and that those were
Speaker 2: the legendary and the scientific converge where the ancients were
Speaker 2: told men become gods and gods become men. But we're
Speaker 2: also told in the ancient Egyptian texts, why do the
Speaker 2: gods hide themselves? Well, that's part of the experiment of life.
Speaker 2: And in my book The Keys of Enoch, published in
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three, I show a picture of a world
Speaker 2: grid system where pyramid structures or unusual structures temple structures
Speaker 2: were used as connecting points with what was believed to
Speaker 2: be cosme civilization. This area shows a map of where
Speaker 2: we've been working in Indonesia, like on the island of Floris.
Speaker 2: We worked in South Africa finding these huge footprints exactly
Speaker 2: in the alignement with the Great Pyramid. We worked in South
Speaker 2: America finding city structures that go back thirty thousand years,
Speaker 2: and of course under Yanaguni, with our shock and others,
Speaker 2: looking at the way that later civilizations or societies would
Speaker 2: reinterpret and build natural phenomena into religious structures or pointers
Speaker 2: to the sky.
Speaker 3: And we know we doctor Chech was in something called
Speaker 3: the Temple of MoU because that was part of the
Speaker 3: work with Robert Shock. Although Shock does not feel that
Speaker 3: they were artificially made. There are stone structures near Yanaguni
Speaker 3: that look very much like the Peruvian stones that fit
Speaker 3: perfectly one to another, and of course Egypt has those
Speaker 3: same stones really close to the Sphinx that fit one
Speaker 3: to the other, so this is extremely important.
Speaker 1: They're funny because Robert won't acknowledge the Yana Goody feature
Speaker 1: under the water as an artificial structure, but on the
Speaker 1: island itself, there's a lot of anomalies that right does
Speaker 1: acknowledge as being artificial, which is strange.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so we would say that exactly, we would
Speaker 3: say that Yanaguni, what's underneath the water probably is no pyramids,
Speaker 3: but they do seem to be like platforms, maybe somethings,
Speaker 3: maybe a few steps.
Speaker 2: That are five different locations. Beside you have large stones
Speaker 2: that are placed very carefully on small platforms.
Speaker 3: So you can see this. Actually it's free now because
Speaker 3: it's been so long since this came out in two
Speaker 3: thousand and two, so it's free now.
Speaker 2: On the arcolage Iris DeMuro, who was crucial to this expedition.
Speaker 3: It's called the Temple of move and it's.
Speaker 2: I highly recommend it for those who are just becoming
Speaker 2: aware of the threads of information that connect the specific
Speaker 2: cultures with those dominant cultures in the West.
Speaker 3: So we honestly believe that one of the earliest cultures,
Speaker 3: and of course there's many that have gone before us,
Speaker 3: was the Lumerian or Mu was more the popular term,
Speaker 3: and of course Yanaguni is one aspect. You go almost
Speaker 3: straight down, especially in doctor hertax line, you hit the
Speaker 3: Isle of Flores, and Flores is where they found the
Speaker 3: Homo florencius. These are the hobbit.
Speaker 2: Beans, small beans going by some eight hundred thousand years
Speaker 2: as a proto humanity.
Speaker 3: And you keep going and you get to Gadong Padang
Speaker 3: I don't pronounce it right, and that is in western
Speaker 3: Java and that you're probably very familiar with is considered
Speaker 3: now a twenty seven thousand year old pyramid built in
Speaker 3: various stages. So this is of course controversial, but they
Speaker 3: did get some peer reviewed articles out there, and we
Speaker 3: believe this is showing that you know, people bill pyramids
Speaker 3: twenty seven thousand years ago again.
Speaker 2: Through the stepping stones to the Cosmos.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. I just got back from Easter
Speaker 1: Island and we saw not only the moi, the big sculptures,
Speaker 1: but the megalithic walls that they're built under all are
Speaker 1: reminiscent of Cusco of ancient Middle East. So there was
Speaker 1: seemed like like there might have been a mother culture
Speaker 1: or a blueprint for pyramid building and for wall building
Speaker 1: that was handed down over thousands of years. We don't
Speaker 1: talk about that.
Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly what's in the Temple of move So
Speaker 3: we are claiming, or especially doctor Hertech and others that
Speaker 3: were in there, is that the civilization was in the Pacific,
Speaker 3: And of course we do acknowledge the Aboriginal peoples in
Speaker 3: Australia is going back that many years. And then because
Speaker 3: of the we'll say the flood, which is not really
Speaker 3: a flight, it's really yes, while it is water rising
Speaker 3: because of the melting of the poles, that the cultures
Speaker 3: went and there was a yes, you.
Speaker 2: See this on the map how the Pacific Ocean rows.
Speaker 2: The land bridges that connect to Japan with China of
Speaker 2: course were erased, but Nonetheless, there was the diaspara across
Speaker 2: the Pacific.
Speaker 3: All the way to Easter Island.
Speaker 2: And beyond to South America.
Speaker 3: And that's we talk about that because we also do
Speaker 3: compare in the Temple of Mood that, as you said,
Speaker 3: those ancient walls, which are amazing.
Speaker 2: So for those who are interested this paper, the Riukian
Speaker 2: submerged landforms, that is to say, from the area of
Speaker 2: Janaguni are in our publication. Robert Shawk and I cooperated
Speaker 2: in this paper some twenty five years ago.
Speaker 3: I just feel they were man nte. They clearly were
Speaker 3: above ground at one point. He agrees with that.
Speaker 2: There's an anthropological spinoffs then that you can say, in
Speaker 2: spite of the geological changes, planetary change, the human guys
Speaker 2: have unique mythology of reinventing itself.
Speaker 1: Do you guys believe that Christum believes that the scientists
Speaker 1: that were behind the pyramid technology were gay As scientists,
Speaker 1: they were working on natural energies for human evolution, not
Speaker 1: the poisonous radiation that comes out of nuclear science, which
Speaker 1: is our big push. But he seems to think that
Speaker 1: the science was earth based, human positive energetics that were
Speaker 1: being pushed through these pyramids and through the technology.
Speaker 3: What do you say to that, Well, we were originally
Speaker 3: members of the American Hydrogen Energy Society. We think that
Speaker 3: all of the world should be using hydrogen energy. And
Speaker 3: there's various forms of making it. You don't have to
Speaker 3: use you know, other gases.
Speaker 2: En hydrogen, yellow hydrogen, blue hydrogen.
Speaker 3: So and that's exactly our proposal of what had happened
Speaker 3: in each So we agree. Couldn't agree more that using
Speaker 3: water and sun is all you need to gig gas
Speaker 3: that we can then drive our cars, run our houses,
Speaker 3: and dot dot dot.
Speaker 2: The bottom line, the Egyplier were able to build large
Speaker 2: earth based battery systems very inexpensively. They could be tapped
Speaker 2: and used and all along the Nile you have these
Speaker 2: small battery systems. So energy run by water, hydraulics and
Speaker 2: by the sun.
Speaker 3: And I have to add one other thing for hydrogen
Speaker 3: water and if you go google it, because we are
Speaker 3: also experts in HHO, which is connected with a certain
Speaker 3: way of doing technology, you can actually drink that and
Speaker 3: it's healthy. You can use it on plants and agriculture,
Speaker 3: and the Egyptians had plenty of that needed it of
Speaker 3: course for feeding the world during famines, then that works
Speaker 3: as well. So you know, we think hydrogen nowadays is
Speaker 3: just running your cars, run your airplanes. You can do
Speaker 3: many things. But it also is good for agriculture, and
Speaker 3: it's also good for our health, so you have many aspects,
Speaker 3: so I agree wholeheartedly.
Speaker 1: We can take a short break to allow our sponsors
Speaker 1: to identify themselves and we'll be right back with my guests,
Speaker 1: Doctors JJ and Desiree Hardtag talking about their work on
Speaker 1: the Gaza Plateau. Will rejoin you shortly. Doctors JJ and
Speaker 1: Desiree Hardtog are my guests today. We're trying to get
Speaker 1: more clarification on this Caffrey pyramid scan, getting details on
Speaker 1: just what we are seeing and if it is valid
Speaker 1: or not. So what should archaeologists, Egyptologists and other field
Speaker 1: researchers be looking for in ruins of this advanced civilization
Speaker 1: Because we're still uncovering places in Middle East like go
Speaker 1: Beckley Teppe. I was visiting Carahan Teppe. There seems to
Speaker 1: be some sophisticated t capital and columns that are uniquely carved.
Speaker 1: Is there something that we should be looking for that
Speaker 1: isn't a kind of a signpost to advanced tech.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, if you can go first, as
Speaker 2: you know, I go Becky Teppe, there are signs of
Speaker 2: the zodiac, but also signs of a different zodiac. So
Speaker 2: the symbols, the markers that would give us a concept
Speaker 2: of cosmology that would match our Earth based history would
Speaker 2: be very important. In other words, we're at the time
Speaker 2: of forbidden archaeology and forbidden cosmology coming together. The debates
Speaker 2: going on now in Washington, d C. Regarding what Beople
Speaker 2: called cosmic civilization are very real and if again, papers
Speaker 2: position papers are brought forth this year suggesting that we're
Speaker 2: not alone in the universe, suggesting extrasolar cultures did come
Speaker 2: to our planet at one time. This would explain the
Speaker 2: use of higher technology to make the underground sanctuaries or
Speaker 2: habitats that were necessary during times of solar flares or
Speaker 2: other situations.
Speaker 3: So we've been to Goebecky Tepley, and we've been able
Speaker 3: to also understand the fact that the reason they weren't
Speaker 3: not found until recent times is it was very systematically
Speaker 3: covered and so when they covered it, they probably removed
Speaker 3: any type of metallic or technology. As we all said
Speaker 3: before before they did that, So that they didn't want
Speaker 3: to have to destroy the stones, but they did move
Speaker 3: the technology.
Speaker 2: So also linguistically, you would be interesting to look for
Speaker 2: another language system besides the archaic Egyptian Semitic languages to
Speaker 2: see whether or not there are so called evidences of
Speaker 2: an Atlantean type culture and handwriting as symbols. So looking
Speaker 2: at the cosmology, looking at the new reinterpretation of history
Speaker 2: through science and symbols of a navigational culture would be
Speaker 2: very important. Tying Egypt and the Middle East into other
Speaker 2: cultures throughout the world will use the same mathematics, the
Speaker 2: same geology, science, the same understanding of where we are
Speaker 2: as a planetary society, removed third planet from the Sun.
Speaker 2: I'm fascinated though with the work that's going on. I
Speaker 2: think this is the greatest time to be alive, and
Speaker 2: I salute all of your colleagues that you've had on
Speaker 2: recently looking at the recalibration of synthetic apperture radar, looking
Speaker 2: at the new techniques I call it acoustical physics that
Speaker 2: will be used to hammer home of the fact that
Speaker 2: we're in a new page of scientific exploration and those
Speaker 2: who are looking in our direction with doctor Robert Schock
Speaker 2: and my colleague Russell Tark from Stanford Research Institute that
Speaker 2: there are mind dynamics the ability of paraphysical anthropology egyptology
Speaker 2: where some individuals can see these underground areas of information
Speaker 2: without having the use of technology as a primary source,
Speaker 2: but as a secondary source. So we are looking with
Speaker 2: both ends of the spectrum.
Speaker 1: I wish someone would do a a view of a
Speaker 1: remote scan, a remote tech scan of the underground part
Speaker 1: of the Caffree Pyramid, because all this tech, all this
Speaker 1: structural work that they're showing in these scans is a
Speaker 1: little too much to grasp.
Speaker 3: I think, right well, that's exactly, of course what Robert
Speaker 3: Schock did suggest, and they should allow for that. Although
Speaker 3: it's difficult to get the angle that would be needed
Speaker 3: to be able to see how much is underground, and
Speaker 3: people are requesting all the time.
Speaker 2: To Jozary and I have had to wait patiently with
Speaker 2: the Polish archaeological team out of Warsaw that we're connected
Speaker 2: with for permission to do the deeper probes that would
Speaker 2: be necessary.
Speaker 3: And that's not even on the gis of Latgal.
Speaker 2: We would need an international team of experts from directions
Speaker 2: to show that there's no cultural bias, there's no mythological
Speaker 2: symbolism that would be misinterpreted, so that this would be
Speaker 2: information for all humanity. The thrill of what we can
Speaker 2: do now with new scanning technology and a new doctor.
Speaker 2: Alvarez at Berkeley when he did the work in the
Speaker 2: careferent pyramide, and he was a hard no scientist, he said,
Speaker 2: I don't want to take all this romantic Egyptology as
Speaker 2: a source. I want to look with my own Nuwan
Speaker 2: penetration technology to see whether or not there is something
Speaker 2: that is there.
Speaker 1: You said one thing JJ about cosmology, and I think
Speaker 1: this is kind of a key that we're not paying
Speaker 1: attention to. Why were the Egyptians so interested in astrology? Why?
Speaker 1: Which is an energy based system? Right the planet's influencing
Speaker 1: the people on Earth. If you're a cosmologically based civilization,
Speaker 1: the subtle energy the Sun's putting out, the Moon's putting out,
Speaker 1: and these other planets are putting out, and their influence
Speaker 1: on the humans that live on Earth is extremely important.
Speaker 1: We don't talk about that right now, We don't even
Speaker 1: go there. And that's a huge, huge part of an
Speaker 1: advanced culture.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you say, yes, very much so, so there are
Speaker 2: areas of new information some individuals I've been working with
Speaker 2: and this has been my work with rem viewing of
Speaker 2: the pyramids on Mars is. The real story is the
Speaker 2: connection between the pyramids of Egypt and those on Mars.
Speaker 2: As you know the probes that were done in the
Speaker 2: nineteen sixties and seventies, particularly the Mariner nine showed in
Speaker 2: the elaisian Qua Triangle two data sets major minor pyramids
Speaker 2: does ratio in the picture Keys of Enoch That would suggest,
Speaker 2: if these are indeed artificial forms, that there were advanced
Speaker 2: civilizations probe in our solar system that could build garganguan
Speaker 2: structures hundreds of times larger than the pyramids in Egypt,
Speaker 2: which it would explain the mythology of giants that roamed
Speaker 2: the earth at one time that had to be upgraded
Speaker 2: very carefully over long periods of time, and this was
Speaker 2: done through the language of language of religion, mythology and
Speaker 2: new insights. I wanted to correct what I just said
Speaker 2: a few seconds ago, doctor Alvarez. It was not human technology,
Speaker 2: it was other scanning technology. But anyway, we're looking on
Speaker 2: a much larger picture of what was involved here and
Speaker 2: in our Keys at Enoch published in seventy three, you
Speaker 2: see the underground area underneath the Pyramids of Giza, that
Speaker 2: there are other structures, other tombs to be found.
Speaker 3: Well, what this picture also shows is it wasn't so
Speaker 3: much the sun the moon, but it's also the stars.
Speaker 3: And so doctor Hertak actually in his book in the
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy three before Robert baval though he would appreciate
Speaker 3: his work as well, that one of the star chafts
Speaker 3: and they've confirmed this, of course, and you see this
Speaker 3: now in many places points to Oriyan and the other
Speaker 3: to Alfred d'aconas. It's interesting because the connection of Osiris,
Speaker 3: who you can see right here in the back behind
Speaker 3: me with his lady friends, actually was considered to have
Speaker 3: a connection to the star system of Orian. And we
Speaker 3: personally feel that Orian is a star gate to other realities,
Speaker 3: to other universes. So it was like that they came
Speaker 3: from those places to the Earth to teach us.
Speaker 2: The inspire the great architects, the mathematicians of the ancient
Speaker 2: world to build these time capsules I call them prono
Speaker 2: monitors that would then would be understood in terms of
Speaker 2: a much larger posmos.
Speaker 3: And the other side of it points to as we said,
Speaker 3: draconis interesting enough, the Mayans also have a similar cosmology
Speaker 3: that you have those that are positive and those that
Speaker 3: are negative, and those are the influences that are affecting
Speaker 3: us on a regular basis. But one takes us to
Speaker 3: the highest eavens, the others takes us into the spiral
Speaker 3: or the spiral of the snake.
Speaker 2: So to apply it in the Middle East, we're looking
Speaker 2: now at those who would go with the way of
Speaker 2: the emissaries or the teachers coming from Orian from distant
Speaker 2: star systems to our planet, versus those they would come
Speaker 2: to help us a awkward way, take the wrong course
Speaker 2: of technological drift towards self destruction. And we see this
Speaker 2: being played out unfortunately in the Middle East, which means
Speaker 2: that the engineers, egyptologists, specialists have to wait in line
Speaker 2: really to get the proper paperwork so they can do
Speaker 2: the underground investigations. Nonetheless, great headways being made, and I'm
Speaker 2: really thrilled with the speakers you've had in recent times
Speaker 2: saying that we have wonderful possibilities of combining our technology
Speaker 2: and resources.
Speaker 3: So on a personal note, we really do feel that
Speaker 3: the grids around the world are being activated. You went
Speaker 3: to Easter Island. We actually, yeah, we're part of that
Speaker 3: was connected with our work at the Temple of MoU.
Speaker 3: We also believe that every single one of them Giza
Speaker 3: will say the places of Mexico, the places of all
Speaker 3: over the planet, and doctor Jack talks about these in
Speaker 3: his book Contact Areas for the Brotherhood. These areas are
Speaker 3: being activated at this time, and so more information will
Speaker 3: be coming out in everywhere and we'll start to see
Speaker 3: ourselves as really cosmic connectors, connecting to the heavens, but
Speaker 3: connecting to the sacred areas of the earth.
Speaker 2: And speaking about the heavens. I want to recommend a
Speaker 2: book by our late colleague and friend Gordon Cooper, whose
Speaker 2: book Lead of Faith suggests that the American government should
Speaker 2: come clean.
Speaker 1: You mean Gordon Cooper, the astronaut.
Speaker 2: That's right. We work with him on a book years ago.
Speaker 2: It was probably that book Thirty Languages written but the
Speaker 2: Sidney Sheldon, the famous novelist. Of course, it was a
Speaker 2: dramatization of contact. Contact but it suggests, in the words
Speaker 2: of Bernon Cooper, that we're not alone in the universe,
Speaker 2: and when we understand that we will see that the
Speaker 2: fingerprints and footprints of the Eloheim or higher intelligence has
Speaker 2: been have been recorded faithfully and placed in sanctuaries that
Speaker 2: we're now beginning to probe.
Speaker 3: And I want to emphasize this is not the nepheline
Speaker 3: who were the giants. We do believe that there were giants,
Speaker 3: the Volume and the Nephiline upon the Earth, but this
Speaker 3: was at a different time or crossing into this last
Speaker 3: six thousand years probably for some but ultimately we got
Speaker 3: control of the planet for various reasons, and this will
Speaker 3: we'll be waking up to the fact that we're not
Speaker 3: the only species in the universe.
Speaker 2: So the bottom line is we must be patient. We
Speaker 2: must have our steps towards perfection laid out very carefully
Speaker 2: by not only Egyptologists with some called romantic historians, but
Speaker 2: also geologists, those in remote viewing, remote sensing, and begin
Speaker 2: to understand in a sense of humility that we are
Speaker 2: coming into a realization and going way back in history,
Speaker 2: realizing that we had very advanced cultures in some way
Speaker 2: that were influenced by cosmic cultures, and at the same
Speaker 2: time we're beginning to develop through our technology, going back
Speaker 2: to Mars and going to other areas that there is
Speaker 2: the artifacts as we find on Mars or pyramids that
Speaker 2: would suggest that there was once a connection. This is
Speaker 2: why in Arabic the area of Chiro Egyptus called al Qahira,
Speaker 2: which means the space one or Mars. Why do we
Speaker 2: have these traditions in the esotery Coptic, in the Islamic traditions,
Speaker 2: in the Christian mystical traditions. Why do we have this
Speaker 2: because this is just the beginning of understanding the fuller
Speaker 2: blueprint of where we are as humans but also cosmic citizens.
Speaker 1: I appreciate what you are both saying, and it's always
Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you Jj and Desiree Her talk
Speaker 1: on the program. I want to just finish by asking
Speaker 1: your opinion of this star's technology. Currently archaeology archaeologists are
Speaker 1: using lightar to scan the surface in uncovering thousands, tens
Speaker 1: of thousands of unknown ruins and pyramids in the Mexico
Speaker 1: and Central and South America. Does it feel like SAR
Speaker 1: technology is almost in the same league? And hopefully the
Speaker 1: technology will be refined enough so that guys who are
Speaker 1: interpreting the data can give us a better look at
Speaker 1: the information.
Speaker 3: Well, it's the same principle as light ar, and yes,
Speaker 3: we're familiar with the work of National Geographic especially throughout
Speaker 3: all of the Guatemala and Mexico finding. Really they think
Speaker 3: that hundreds of thousands of people were living there, and
Speaker 3: we actually had research connected with that work. In doctor
Speaker 3: Hrzek's book, he came out with the Face on Mars,
Speaker 3: which shows these canals.
Speaker 2: That we find in beliefs through synthetic appertuadar over two
Speaker 2: hundred canals. It's almost unbelievable in jungle environment to find
Speaker 2: canals that could go more than a quarter of a mile.
Speaker 2: These are and they were connected canals.
Speaker 3: So yes, and SAAR, synthetic aperture radar and other aspects
Speaker 3: of it can show us similar data, but it does not.
Speaker 3: I mean they're using certain things for finding oil wells.
Speaker 3: That's the main thing. They want to go as deep
Speaker 3: as they can't to fine oil wells. But it depends
Speaker 3: on what they're doing. Now, if they had said they
Speaker 3: were looking under the sands of Giza too, and they
Speaker 3: sell chambers, that's more believable than saying they look through
Speaker 3: a ton of stone. Now, some people also say that
Speaker 3: the Great pyramid even itself is not solid stone, but
Speaker 3: certainly there's tons of blocks. Yeah, that's the difficulty in
Speaker 3: going down. If they said they were looking halfway up
Speaker 3: and they saw some interesting chambers, that's interesting. If they
Speaker 3: say they're going, as you said, a mile deep or
Speaker 3: even a half a mile deep under the rock itself
Speaker 3: of the Heffron Pyramid, that's difficult. Every government, every gas company,
Speaker 3: every oil company wants that same thing. So maybe they
Speaker 3: really will make money if they can prove it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: The home those your home Mexico as a gold mine.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The National Geographic people show that there was upwards they
Speaker 2: claim of ten to fifteen million people that's went through
Speaker 2: the population of Europe during the Middle Ages that lived there,
Speaker 2: over over sixty thousand artifacts of interest and curiosity. So
Speaker 2: we are indirectly involved with that research. Also in fact
Speaker 2: in the paper published by the ENA, which is like
Speaker 2: the Smithsonian Institute paper from nineteen excuse me, twenty seventeen
Speaker 2: looking at the pyramids in the Yucatan Peninsula, which re
Speaker 2: researched in very scientific terms with NASA technologists. So we
Speaker 2: have several papers available on the internet in Spanish, in Portuguese, German,
Speaker 2: the languages that would say that we are just beginning
Speaker 2: to scratch the surface of our human creation story. We
Speaker 2: are Homo universalis universal humanity?
Speaker 1: Excellent?
Speaker 3: Give us your website right and what we're doing also,
Speaker 3: so our website is really keys of dot org, although
Speaker 3: you can find one of the papers doctor attacked it
Speaker 3: at futurescience dot org as well. And I do want
Speaker 3: to say if people are interested in the pyramids, we're
Speaker 3: going to be at the Bosnian Pyramid. This is the
Speaker 3: second time we've gone there because it's so much fun actually,
Speaker 3: and it's in June fifteenth to the twenty second, twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five. It will be in Bosnia. It's almost as
Speaker 3: you can see a whole week there's you can't get
Speaker 3: into the pyramids and people are questioning whether they're valid
Speaker 3: or not. But what you can get into, as appropriate
Speaker 3: for what we're talking about is many tunnels. And doctor
Speaker 3: sam Oshmankovist feels that these tunnels will eventually take him
Speaker 3: closer and closer to the pyramids themselves.
Speaker 1: Are you going to have doctor sam Osmano Mitch with you, guys?
Speaker 1: I know this is his tour, well it's his tour, okay, not.
Speaker 3: Only are we there, but Michael Tillinger is there, Klaus
Speaker 3: Dona is there, and a few other friends. So you
Speaker 3: can find it if you google Bosian Pyramids, her Tech,
Speaker 3: h U R Tak and Klaus k l a U
Speaker 3: S Klouston. Yeah, Peo, who's the one that found the
Speaker 3: Bone of Ecuador. We're making that huge giant and he
Speaker 3: still does research everywhere. He'll be with us and you
Speaker 3: can find it again. June fifteenth to the twenty second.
Speaker 1: Wow our weapons.
Speaker 2: We know that our friend Robert Shock is very critical
Speaker 2: of this is considered nonsense, but we're looking at all possibilities.
Speaker 3: But the tunnels are fun of the other.
Speaker 2: Structures around the claimed pyramids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've had We've had doctor sam on a number
Speaker 1: of times and it's always of course, the Bosnian governments
Speaker 1: kind of shut his operation down a little bit, but
Speaker 1: to be able to get underneath those tunnels and see
Speaker 1: that with him would be wonderful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they also, I don't know if they'll do
Speaker 3: it this time, but last time they took us to
Speaker 3: one of these walls that actually looked just like you
Speaker 3: see in Yan and Goni, just like you see in Cusco.
Speaker 3: So you know those technologies are everywhere, and I do
Speaker 3: believe that there's pyramids all over the world that we
Speaker 3: don't identify, and not all of them have to be
Speaker 3: made of bricks and stones.
Speaker 2: But as the Russians have shown, Google, I've shown that
Speaker 2: you can use synthetic material and have the same effects. Right,
Speaker 2: So we are honorably please to be connected with all
Speaker 2: of the great guests that you've had. The story goes on,
Speaker 2: and I would say to those of you watching this program,
Speaker 2: just be positive. We're going into some major changes of
Speaker 2: recalibrating our historic persion.
Speaker 3: And just to talk about the pyramids one more time,
Speaker 3: you mentioned go Beckley Teppe. One of my favorite places
Speaker 3: is not Mount nim Root, which we've been there too,
Speaker 3: amazing fabulous and that's all made with nothing but gravel.
Speaker 3: But you can't move it because once you move it, it
Speaker 3: all collapses and just falls down and comes back. It
Speaker 3: would take like a mirror goal to be able to
Speaker 3: go underneath there. But they know that there is probably
Speaker 3: some sort of cavity inside as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish they would point the satellite at that
Speaker 1: area to see what was underneath that man made mound.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's only stones I mean little Britain stones,
Speaker 3: so you probably could get even more data. No, the
Speaker 3: technology is fabulous. Light our has been great. There's more
Speaker 3: technology that we can be used, and hopefully the new
Speaker 3: technology that of identifying what the points are saying from
Speaker 3: this gentleman professor in Italy will really show.
Speaker 2: More reforring to the keys at Enoch. When we solve
Speaker 2: the pyramids, as we go to the higher areas, when
Speaker 2: we realize that we are the capstone bringing all of
Speaker 2: this together and seeing the pyramid really as a type
Speaker 2: of measuring paradigm for many levels of science, then our
Speaker 2: cosmic counterparts will come back. They'll come back through assistance
Speaker 2: going to the next level of intelligence. Because the world
Speaker 2: is based upon the symbol of the pyramid, which isn't
Speaker 2: the carbon atom.
Speaker 3: And pyramid actually means fire in the middle. So we
Speaker 3: do believe that they could ignite not only the world
Speaker 3: with better technology.
Speaker 2: But we know knowledge.
Speaker 1: But you know, you guys, I go through this issue
Speaker 1: every single year. It's like are we ready for O
Speaker 1: for old brothers to come and say hello? Because I
Speaker 1: think we're just too crude. You know, we're militaristic. We
Speaker 1: shoot first, asked questions later, they don't want to deal
Speaker 1: with us right now, or do they.
Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly what they say. Supposedly when they were
Speaker 3: talking to Israeli general and he said, you know, people
Speaker 3: want to can we start releasing it? The et said, no,
Speaker 3: we're not ready. I don't know. I think we are,
Speaker 3: but we'll see where it goes. It's gonna happen, probably
Speaker 3: in our lifetime.
Speaker 2: So that's why we're thankful for you and your program.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate it. Hey, listen before I let you go.
Speaker 1: What US based conferences are you guys speaking at this year?
Speaker 3: Well, right, we're going to be doing Contact in the Desert.
Speaker 3: That's the main one, probably in the end of May.
Speaker 3: We also do conferences in Mexico and Europe and probably
Speaker 3: even South America this year as well. If anyone's listening
Speaker 3: from those places, we don't if it's in a different
Speaker 3: language like Spanish, look at clavesd Enoch or in German
Speaker 3: look at Enoch. These are areas places that talk about
Speaker 3: our work. We don't usually cross match, which is why
Speaker 3: the Bosnian tour is not yet on our website.
Speaker 2: But we keep an open mind and a compassionate heart.
Speaker 2: This is what inspired the great architects, the great singers,
Speaker 2: the great thinkers of the movements of thought throughout human history.
Speaker 2: And so if we can say two words at Ostra
Speaker 2: with the Greeks to the stars, stimulus of the great creation.
Speaker 1: Great to see you both, Great to have you on
Speaker 1: the program, and thanks for joining me.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Now, really what we can do is just wait for
Speaker 1: more confirmation on these obstacles, these these anomalies underneath the pyramids,
Speaker 1: and you know, until we can get verification, some proof,
Speaker 1: some other scientific testing, we really have trouble validating what
Speaker 1: what we're seeing, you know, what's being interpreted. So that's
Speaker 1: I mean hopefully either someone's going to use ground penetrating
Speaker 1: radar or I mean light aur is not going to work.
Speaker 1: Lighter is only good for a few feet under the ground.
Speaker 1: We need to have boots on the ground. Perhaps, and
Speaker 1: this is very very unlikely, but the Egyptian authorities say, hey,
Speaker 1: there are four relieving chambers in the Caffrey Pyramid. There
Speaker 1: are the beginnings of shafts. We can document that it
Speaker 1: will never happen, but it's nice to think about. We
Speaker 1: think about the Egyptian authorities agreeing and verifying that there
Speaker 1: are anomalies beneath these pyramids. But until we can get
Speaker 1: further data, we can only shake our heads and go,
Speaker 1: I hope, so, I hope. So it would be nice
Speaker 1: to see these underground shafts, these underground caverns, these underground anomalies,
Speaker 1: these structures. We would love to know more, but there's
Speaker 1: nothing more to see at this point unless there's another technology.
Speaker 1: I mean, really, you can't you know, short of digging,
Speaker 1: we can't verify any of this. So Baoni is going
Speaker 1: to have to, you know, convince us that these anomalies
Speaker 1: that he's showing us our actual phenomenon. So we can
Speaker 1: only hope. Nice to have the heart Togs on the program,
Speaker 1: I want to mention that I'm going to be hosting
Speaker 1: a panel discussion at the New Living Expo. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be May ninth, tenth, and eleventh. It's going to be
Speaker 1: held at the Marine Fairgrounds. For more information, go to
Speaker 1: New Livingexpo dot com and you'll see the entire program.
Speaker 1: You'll see the speakers. My panel discussion is on unknown
Speaker 1: technology in the Ancient passes pass and it includes Ben
Speaker 1: van Kirkwick, brad Olsen, Rick Rick, Mike Ricksecker will be
Speaker 1: there as well, and a couple other people that we're
Speaker 1: still adding. The show's been going on for like twenty years.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a small conference, but the panel's always
Speaker 1: fun to present and if you're in the audience, come
Speaker 1: up and say hi, I love to meet you and
Speaker 1: talk more about what's been going on. So the New
Speaker 1: Living Expo. For more information, go to New Livingexpo dot com.
Speaker 1: May ninth, tenth, and eleventh. That's Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.
Speaker 1: So if you're in Northern California or you're in Southern
Speaker 1: California in and you're in the area, stop on by
Speaker 1: and love to speak with you. All right, that's it
Speaker 1: for this program. I want I think my guest today
Speaker 1: doctors JJ and Desiree her Dog, coming to us from
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. As always, the team of Gail Tour, Mark
Speaker 1: Foster and everyone who makes this thing happen. You guys rock,
Speaker 1: all right, take care of we will and we will
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