WEBVTT 1 00:00:18.079 --> 00:00:21.800 Oh boy, what's happening. You know, it's funny what am 2 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:24.079 I supposed to do with all this new data from 3 00:00:24.120 --> 00:00:29.679 this Coffree scan project that's going around. I mean, there's 4 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:33.560 just so much data, and I feel that I've only 5 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:35.880 touched the surface of it. You know, we had our 6 00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:39.679 one program with our three guests, and I want to 7 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:43.840 know more. I really want to get the three scientists 8 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:48.960 on the program. Filipo Biondi is kind of the focal point, 9 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:52.159 but we have Armando May. We've had Armando on the 10 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:56.759 program before and we're going to have them again. But 11 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:02.880 you know, I just there's so much to you to digest. 12 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:05.159 It's almost overwhelming. And this is why I'm trying to 13 00:01:05.439 --> 00:01:07.799 find it. Hey, this is Cliff, your host of Earth Ancients. 14 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:11.000 Hope you're doing well. Today. We are continuing with a 15 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:16.760 part two of the scans that were done with JJ 16 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:21.680 and Desiree her Talk, who have done extensive underground penetrating 17 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:26.760 radar and they have also done other types of scans 18 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:30.680 a couple of decades ago, and so they have done 19 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:36.319 some really exemplary work and we want to have their 20 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:40.040 point of view. But you know, more to the point 21 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:44.079 on this scan that we are seeing, and I've been 22 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:47.159 posting it on the Facebook page. It really is up 23 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:49.519 to the technician to interpret it. And this is the 24 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:53.400 big thing that we discovered twenty years ago when light 25 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:57.799 Art came on the scene, that they do these intricate 26 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:03.040 scans and it comes up with just megabytes of data 27 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:09.280 and the technician is the one that has to arrange 28 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:13.199 it in such a way that it makes sense. And 29 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:15.639 that's where the money is, you know, you're talking about. 30 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:18.240 In the old days, it was a million bucks to 31 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:23.639 latch one of those scan camera scans onto a helicopter 32 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:28.360 or a small plane. Today it's a third or even 33 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:33.960 a quarter of expense is expensive one hundred gram and 34 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:39.680 you can attach these cameras onto drones and you can 35 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:42.919 have the drone fly into really tight little niche areas 36 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:47.879 of a forest, of an open plane area of a 37 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:51.800 ruined city. With permission, you can do that and you're 38 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:55.960 getting great details. This is what's happening with the SAR scan. 39 00:02:56.319 --> 00:03:02.360 You're getting tons of data and it's looking interesting, but 40 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:09.759 it's not being visual. Without the technician, you can't see it. 41 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:13.280 What the heck's going on with the technician, And as 42 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:15.759 we have heard from Robert Shock, and we heard from 43 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:20.199 man who says, today you really have to be careful 44 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:24.680 about your interpretation. And so when we see huge shafts 45 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:28.560 in the Kaffree Pyramid, under the Kaffree Pyramid, we see 46 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:32.000 what looks like buildings and we look like stairways and 47 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:34.680 all kinds of strange things, we have something. We need 48 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:37.960 to have something that validates that, and we're gonna get 49 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:42.560 that today with the JJ Herdtalk. Doctor Herd Talk, who 50 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:50.000 actually did scans close to the Caffrey Pyramid in the 51 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:52.599 late nineteen nineties. I think he also did it in 52 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:55.919 the early two thousand as well, but he did an 53 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:59.199 association with Robert Shock. He did it in an association 54 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:05.120 with other programs. This was a time when the Antiquities 55 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:10.120 Department was much more flexible, and of course you had 56 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:12.719 to pay them in some cases a great deal to 57 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:20.279 scan and get a license to scan on the Giza plateau. 58 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:24.360 But this is all changed. This is all changed. And 59 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:29.240 you know, we haven't really heard from the archaeologists, the 60 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:37.120 Egyptologists from the United States, from the European Union, from 61 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:41.079 other countries as to what their interpretation is of these 62 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:46.000 new scans of these Giza pyramids. We're only hearing it 63 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:49.160 from Zaghi, who who is not credible anymore? My friends, 64 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:53.399 I'm so sorry to say this. And as the number 65 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:56.160 one Egyptologists in the world, Well, the guy is probably 66 00:04:56.279 --> 00:04:59.240 twenty to thirty years behind the times and is still 67 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:06.079 digging into Sakara area. We were there about three four 68 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:09.199 years ago and there's some interesting things, but it's it's 69 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:13.000 just coffins, you know. Why aren't we seeing more about 70 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:19.879 the underground canals and shafts and buildings that are underneath 71 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:23.040 the Giza plateau. Why don't we learn more about the 72 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:27.199 various shafts that are at the Dojor pyramid at Sakara? 73 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:30.959 Why don't we Why don't they use ground penetrating radar? 74 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:32.959 Why don't they use you know, it's funny they don't 75 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:38.120 use late light ar. The most fundamental and the most 76 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:43.000 revealing scan is light ar. And if they don't use it, 77 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:45.319 what are we supposed to do. We're supposed to sit 78 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:48.079 and wait for them to dig it out, find a 79 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:51.399 place that's open. You know. It's just it's really a challenge. 80 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:55.040 And I really love Egypt. I enjoy going there. Every 81 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:58.759 year we give our tour dollars to the country support 82 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:02.399 as much as we can, But just the way the 83 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:08.120 academic area is run is sad. It really is sad. 84 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:15.519 So but today's program is all about this continual discovery 85 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:22.160 of the Caffree Pyramid, the third second Pyramid, and what 86 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:24.800 is underneath it and what is in the middle is 87 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:30.639 what has been revealed by this stone penetrating scan. Now, 88 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:34.040 in the Great Pyramid, the Cufu Pyramid, there is a 89 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:40.399 relieving chamber, a main relieving chamber that's above the King's room. 90 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:47.560 In the Caffrey Pyramid, there's five relieving chambers. Now, this 91 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:51.720 should be easy to identify. If someone could get in 92 00:06:51.800 --> 00:06:56.360 there and look at the body interior of the Kaffree Pyramid, 93 00:06:56.360 --> 00:07:00.439 they can justify and actually validate the five relieving chambers. 94 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.800 It's very, very strange. It's almost like an optical illusion 95 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:11.519 when you see these sorrow scans. Remember SAR stands for 96 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:15.399 synthetic aperture radar. We're gonna hear the details of some 97 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.439 more of the details of that today, and you know 98 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:22.639 real quickly there's telling us that that that scan could 99 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:25.959 go over a mile into the under the ground. If 100 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:28.120 that's the case, If that if they can show that's 101 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:32.360 actually true, and it does penetrate a mile under the 102 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:36.319 under the ground. That is a revolutionary piece of equipment. 103 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:41.800 That is amazing. That will not only will it revolutionize 104 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:47.120 our understanding of geological formations underground, but it will also 105 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:55.759 clarify and shine a light on archaeological ruins underground tunnel systems, 106 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:59.399 and and and the like. And and this is what 107 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:04.399 is so wonderful about what this is going on. If 108 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:07.560 if twenty five percent of what they're showing us as 109 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:12.720 actual structures under the surface, that for me is enough. 110 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:16.199 If there's more than twenty five percent, we're having a revolution. 111 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:22.519 We're having a We're having profound understandings of what these 112 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:28.560 ancient buildings were all about. So we're gonna see exactly 113 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:32.039 in the coming weeks what's going on now. I might 114 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:40.480 mention that Armando may Philippe Beyondi and Malanga, they'll be 115 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:43.919 joining us for an in depth interview of just what 116 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:48.799 they're hoping to reveal. I think one of the big 117 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:52.960 pluses of this is that it's kind of an open 118 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:58.440 source scan, meaning that they are taking data from these 119 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:04.840 geological satellites and reprocessing it and getting the data that 120 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:08.960 they get what I really love about this is and 121 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:14.200 if you remember from Manu Safetyday's statement, they're free to 122 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:17.399 do this. It's over a mile above the surface. So 123 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:21.559 the Antiquities Department, people like Zahi Juas they can raise 124 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:25.360 how all they want. It's not in their hands anymore. 125 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:29.080 And that's a good thing too. I think if you remember, 126 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:32.440 the Scam Pyramid team came up with a ton of 127 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:37.960 new data which was edited. They only released a portion 128 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:42.320 of it, and that's because the Antiquities Department didn't feel 129 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:46.360 they wanted to release the full spectrum of data. And 130 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:49.240 that's sad because we were supposed to learn more about 131 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:51.879 the void over the King's Chamber and the Cufu Pyramid, 132 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:58.200 some lower voids underneath the causeways and underneath the actual pyramid. 133 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:00.960 So we take it out of their hand, and I 134 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:04.320 hope that we see if it shows that this star 135 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:08.279 scanning technology is valid. I hope to see it around 136 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:13.039 the world in the same manner that the technicians who 137 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:17.159 are trained to use it collect the data in Mexico 138 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:21.000 and South America, in China. Can you imagine having it 139 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:26.879 in China those huge white pyramids, piercing those pyramids and 140 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:31.360 collecting the data and the Chinese can't do anything about it. 141 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:36.960 You know, that's not really being a great citizen. But 142 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:38.559 you know what if they're going to cover it up 143 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:41.159 and not show us, you know, this is our ancient past, 144 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:45.879 you know, And that's just how I feel about it. 145 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:49.960 I think this data should be available freely, without editing, 146 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:57.000 without restrictions, and you know, the payment is the payment 147 00:10:57.039 --> 00:11:02.240 is recognition of this country. So housing these ancient ruins, 148 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:04.480 so that puts you on the map and so forth 149 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:09.279 and so on. 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We wanted to check in with 181 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:57.799 Jj and Desiree Hartog on the not only the SAR 182 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:03.480 satellite design and their interpretation of it, but also their 183 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:08.399 opinion of the goings on in the Giza Plateau because 184 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:10.480 we just can't get a straight answer from people like 185 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:14.759 Sahiro Hawas, who constantly, constantly is covering these things up. 186 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:22.240 I've had Egyptologists on here, most notably doctor Jamie and 187 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:26.960 down in La who believes that Egyptology has pretty much 188 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:29.720 had it. It's really kind of a dead science, if 189 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:32.559 you can call it a science. But the hard dogs 190 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:35.960 are have been on the Giza Plateau for a number 191 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:39.720 of years. They understand what's there, and not only do 192 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:42.799 we want their interpretation, it's kind of nice to get 193 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:46.039 a sense of what they're up to. So Jj and Desiree, 194 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:49.440 good to see you and welcome back to Earth Ancients. 195 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:50.240 How you guys doing. 196 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:53.320 It's great to be with you and your audience. We 197 00:14:53.399 --> 00:14:55.919 want to commend you on the great speakers you've had 198 00:14:55.960 --> 00:15:03.600 recently regarding the shall we say, the New Egyptian hypothesis 199 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:04.559 with Robert Schock. 200 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:06.519 So I was exciting to hear him, we kind of 201 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:08.000 agree with what he had said. 202 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:11.679 We published papers with Robert Schak on Janaguni. We course 203 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:15.440 have extensive backgrounds. Both of us are social scientists. I'm 204 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:19.440 also a specialist in remote sensing, airborne radar and grun 205 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:20.480 penetrating radar. 206 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:24.159 Right in the nineteen eighties, actually doctor Jagret several papers 207 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:28.399 on synthetic aperture radar or SAR. And of course what's 208 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:32.240 coming out from our associates in Italy is that they're 209 00:15:32.279 --> 00:15:36.840 taking the data, but they're enhancing that data. That's what 210 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:39.879 they're claiming as to how they can go that deep. 211 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:43.480 I was a private consultant the JEFF Propulsion Lab. I 212 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:47.279 worked with Tommy Thompson, who developed the state of the 213 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:52.399 art its synthetic aperture radar. Charles Ilacchi, who was also 214 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:56.360 in charge of the data collection from SI R B 215 00:15:56.799 --> 00:15:58.000 flights over Egypt. 216 00:15:58.120 --> 00:15:59.320 That's A and c B. 217 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:04.279 Also deeply interested in looking for underground artifacts. At that time, 218 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:07.360 we could only go down about two meters in dry sand, 219 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:09.799 so what was interesting. 220 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:12.360 Some of his papers are available in research. 221 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:17.039 I work with John Ford, for example, on an environmental erosion, 222 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:20.320 and we had the opportunity to work on some of 223 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:23.000 the top levels with the top specialists in the world. 224 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:24.720 And just to say one of the things that he 225 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:28.519 did rite. But the four paper, unfortunately was in the eighties, 226 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:31.480 so it is not available on the internet yet we're 227 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:33.159 going to put it on our site because of all 228 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:37.159 of this. But they looked at North Africa and they 229 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:40.919 could see underground river and that confirms with what Shock 230 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:45.240 was talking about Robert Shaw from literally almost Egypt or 231 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:47.440 at least Central Africa all the way down. 232 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:50.600 To Lake Chad and from Lake Chad to Nigeria. 233 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:53.639 So they saw that, but it wasn't as deep and 234 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:56.440 it's also not going through stone as much as it 235 00:16:56.480 --> 00:16:58.519 is going through sand. So you always have to look 236 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:02.120 at how deep this technology can go and the data 237 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:02.759 you're getting. 238 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:07.359 What do you think of Beoni's recalibrating and reinterpreting the 239 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:11.640 SAR data. I mean, this is a geological satellite that 240 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:17.640 they are repurposing for scanning pyramids. If you remember, I 241 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:20.759 think it was June of twenty twenty two, they scanned 242 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:25.359 the Kufu Pyramid and the data that came back was 243 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:29.079 so complex. They had new rooms, new shafts, new tunnels, 244 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:32.000 and it was like, where is this coming from? We 245 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:38.400 didn't get any kind of confirmation or background material on 246 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:42.079 how stars could penetrate the body of the Kufa Pyramids. 247 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:44.279 So what was your opinion of that scan? 248 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:47.119 I think they did the right technik of trying to 249 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:50.400 see if we can match what we already know, which 250 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:53.279 is in the Great Pyramids, what you're talking about, and 251 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:56.359 then if we can confirm that, then that's a sample 252 00:17:57.079 --> 00:18:01.240 of what exists then in the Jeff Pyramid, now the 253 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:04.440 Middle Pyramid for those who are not so familiar. But 254 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:07.759 as you said, some of it looked accurate because we 255 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:10.920 do know there's a subterranean passageway which we've been into 256 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:14.200 many times, and we also, you know, a. 257 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:20.720 Sub tunnel system five mile or five six kilometer long 258 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:24.240 connecting the pyramids that very few people have been in. 259 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:26.000 In fact, there's a film out here on the internet 260 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:28.559 where I'm walking in one of the tunnel systems from 261 00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:31.559 our research that we did in the nineteen eighties and nineties. 262 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:36.000 Well let's go take it slower, though, doctor Jack. So basically, 263 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:38.599 if they can show what's going on in the Great 264 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:41.400 Pyramid matches what's going on in the Middle Pyramid, then 265 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:44.720 I think they have something, but they don't show that 266 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:49.119 much difference and certainly not that deep as they're claiming. 267 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:51.799 So I think the main thing is I understand that 268 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:55.720 he's taking the data bits, he's expounding on those in 269 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:59.200 terms of figuring it out where, how and what it 270 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:02.359 really looks like. But these are just literally data. I mean, 271 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:05.640 there are little points on a screen. So you have 272 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:08.400 to make sure you do it right and it has 273 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:12.039 to be confirmed. And I think that's where Robert Schock 274 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:16.200 was coming in. Let's go and confirm it now one 275 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:18.480 of the things we want to and so until they 276 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:19.920 really can confirm a little. 277 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:21.759 Bit, we don't have to see more on his protocol. 278 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:26.119 Did you guys actually see I mean my issue is 279 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:30.759 that I think that the interpretation of the data and 280 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:35.960 the final analysis is really up to the technician, and 281 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:40.480 if he can confirm was there in the past, then 282 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:43.000 we know about that because we know about the King's 283 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:46.920 chamber and the Queen's chamber and the subterranean shaft and 284 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:49.640 the Cufu Pyramid that I've seen all of this myself. 285 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:50.359 I've been in there. 286 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:51.880 We published it in our book. 287 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:56.400 But but you remember the big question that the that 288 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:01.880 the pyramids scan group, the Japanese, the friend the Egyptian 289 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:07.359 group that use mom technology. They also confirmed a void 290 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:11.319 above the King's chamber that we see in the Tsar scan. 291 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:15.519 But you know everyone's saying not everyone, but the Egyptologies 292 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:18.200 are saying. Egyptologists are saying, no, this is all bs 293 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:23.119 most notably Zahilas is saying this is all invalid. Why 294 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:27.240 would the Egyitologists so just summarily dismiss all this? 295 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:30.559 Okay, well let's go back. So it's the neuon scan project. 296 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:33.559 It's called the scan project using muons. It's like X rays. 297 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:37.359 Neuons are constantly coming in through everything, I mean even 298 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:39.480 where you're sitting right now, and they have like almost 299 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:42.920 like an X ray sheet. It's a really square box 300 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:46.920 that they're receiving it. Now, when you talk about the uh, yeah, 301 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:50.519 the voids that they were confirming about, those are really 302 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:53.119 high up in the pyramid. Some of them are above 303 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:55.599 the Great Pyramid. There's a couple that's at a certain 304 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:58.880 type of entrance towards the Great Pyramid. So those are 305 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:02.119 the two voys that they see. Now, that's, as they said, 306 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:07.160 above ground level. What did they show below ground level? 307 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:11.359 That's the real question. And if they don't show really deep, 308 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:13.480 which is what they're claiming in the Kaffern Pyramid, then 309 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:16.880 I don't think that they can really claim that. I mean, 310 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:19.960 we've done grown penetrating radar. I'll show you a picture 311 00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:23.880 of doctor Hrtak in our book Giesus Industrial Complex, because 312 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:26.839 we agree that there's more underneath the ground than there 313 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:29.079 is above the ground. So here's a picture of doctor 314 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:34.119 Hirtak doing ground penetrating radar with associates right at one 315 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:37.640 of the Queen's areas in the Giza Plata on the 316 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.680 Giza Plateau. In addition to that, we are and this 317 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:44.640 is brought up by actually Trevor and your last show, 318 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:50.359 we were one of the founders of the Tomb of Osiris. 319 00:21:50.119 --> 00:21:55.200 Which is the finders of the Tomb of Cyrus. 320 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:57.359 The shaft you go down the shaft. 321 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:00.440 Not only yeah, but we were the first actually listen, 322 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:02.359 there was yeah. 323 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:04.839 And on the third level of down approximately one hundred 324 00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:07.599 to two hundred and ten feet, we were able because 325 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:09.839 the nile was very shall at that time. 326 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:10.519 The waterless. 327 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:13.799 We dig lolled on the surface about four inches, removing 328 00:22:13.880 --> 00:22:16.759 the surface clay material, and there we found the lid 329 00:22:16.759 --> 00:22:18.960 which is illustrated in the book. We actually had movie 330 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:21.559 cameras with us, so there's no doubt that we were 331 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:27.160 the first team there in February of nineteen ninety seven, 332 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:31.000 two years before the news release that Ziahawas gave with 333 00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:35.160 Fox Television. You remember that special nineteen ninety nine. Of 334 00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:38.400 course we know we were there. In fact, zaiahwas was 335 00:22:38.519 --> 00:22:41.000 nice enough to say the news release, Oh, by the way, 336 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:43.039 there was a team here two years before, and that 337 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:46.720 was our research team, but doctor Joseph Shore, so it's. 338 00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:49.519 Called the Shore Expedition. And we were able to get 339 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:52.599 down there, and as Trevor mentioned, there was you know, 340 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:55.480 you could only see sand and dustin and dir whatever 341 00:22:55.640 --> 00:22:58.359 is at the bottom there. And because we were actually 342 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:01.599 trying to do some radar, we had ground predatoring radar 343 00:23:01.640 --> 00:23:04.079 and we also had sonar because there's water down there, 344 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:07.079 we were able to clear off an area and found 345 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:07.519 the lid. 346 00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:10.640 Also, we were using musical technology to look at the 347 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:16.319 acoustical possibilities off the quote unquote underground chambers. Oh, we 348 00:23:16.359 --> 00:23:19.599 were very fortunate, and again in the court of law, 349 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:23.839 the younger generation of Egyptologists will recognize we were the 350 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:27.400 first team. Really to score, define this, to film it, 351 00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:31.279 to document it before all of the other quote unquote 352 00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:32.960 claims were made much later. 353 00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:37.400 What did the stars scan reveal to you that was 354 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:39.480 unique or different or new. 355 00:23:39.799 --> 00:23:42.799 Well, the thing is they're claiming that it's extremely deep, 356 00:23:43.160 --> 00:23:45.759 and of course we were one hundred feet down physically 357 00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:50.519 standing there, and we did some we'll say ground predatory 358 00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:54.240 radar on the walls, and we did see some cavities 359 00:23:54.799 --> 00:23:57.960 or what you call voids in the wall. So we 360 00:23:58.039 --> 00:24:00.680 do believe. Now where is the two of us? Okay, 361 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:02.759 I'll just give you a kind of picture. You take 362 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:05.839 one corner of the Cafrne Pyramid and go towards the Sphinx, 363 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:09.240 and then you cross that with one of the corners 364 00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:12.240 of the Great Pyramid. You're pretty much where the tim 365 00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:14.839 of Osiris is. So it's almost not quite the center, 366 00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:17.440 but one could call it close to the center of 367 00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:21.440 the Giza plateau. Everyone who's done research there and even 368 00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:24.680 gone into some of the public tombs will say there's 369 00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:28.000 more under the ground of Egypt than above the ground. 370 00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:30.359 And we've had people on the show who have used 371 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:35.240 ground penetrating radar, like William Brown and others who have 372 00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:40.200 verified this what's odd though, and I want you both 373 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:43.039 of your opinions on this. Why is this not revealed 374 00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:49.440 by Egyptology. If there's an inter secting tunnel system, likely 375 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:53.920 temples and other structures under the ground in the Giza plateau, 376 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:55.200 why not talk about it. 377 00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:58.119 Well, there's the enormous wealth that is suspected to be 378 00:24:58.759 --> 00:25:02.640 in the subsurface area. Also, to take the Egyptian point 379 00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:05.079 of view, there is a military based thirty five miles 380 00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:10.079 south of Giza. So from the standpoint of surface measurements, 381 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:14.079 at least with new techniques of scanning technology will be 382 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:17.799 prohibitive to a lot outsiders to come in because you 383 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:22.559 have very selective locations. Very few people are aware of this, 384 00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:24.200 but we had to go through an arm and a 385 00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:27.880 light back in the nineteen eighties and nineties to get 386 00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:33.000 the permission to bring in technology remote sensing technology. We 387 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:36.559 had to be very patient and a lot of the 388 00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:40.000 people who are trying to do this, so we say 389 00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:43.599 wing it on their own, do not acknowledge the sensitivity 390 00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:48.240 of the historic cultural sites as well as the locations 391 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:51.279 that are crucial for the situation in the Middle East, 392 00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:54.359 which they say the least is not a stable situation. 393 00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:56.759 And they're also just not going to start digging in 394 00:25:56.920 --> 00:25:59.880 and shock is right if you don't actually see it 395 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.880 beyond just the you know, the graphs that are seen 396 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:07.960 from synthetic capture radar, which are airborne and in some 397 00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:13.039 cases spaceborne, although these are data, so you know, and 398 00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:15.799 how deep does it really go? That's the thing. So 399 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:19.400 when you can stand one hundred feet down on the plateau, 400 00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:22.960 which we did and other people can now do you know, 401 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:25.839