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<v Speaker 1>Baby, you're a Gamesteratu.

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<v Speaker 2>It takes a lot of tangle. You don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>mess with me.

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<v Speaker 3>Mess with me?

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<v Speaker 4>Baby, are a gangsta touch Baby, You're a game.

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<v Speaker 3>Statue for God warn This podcast is designed to take

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<v Speaker 3>you outside of your comfort zone and make you question reality.

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<v Speaker 3>Listening Discretion is a vibe. What the fellas?

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<v Speaker 5>This ain't my first time at the rodeo.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello, Conspiracy, Playtime and Cosmic Features. Welcome to another episode.

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<v Speaker 4>Today we are welcoming him back. William Ramsey my second

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<v Speaker 4>time and he was just done, so his face should

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<v Speaker 4>be familiar and Julia has worked with him as a.

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<v Speaker 6>Plethora of times. I think that's how I actually heard

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<v Speaker 6>William the first time.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're going to be covering something. William is binge

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<v Speaker 4>just put together. I've been listening to his presentations and

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<v Speaker 4>he says it just keeps getting better and we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to see where this goes.

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<v Speaker 6>Todavi with Cattri and the Rye. William, Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me. Great to be back with you.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like we just did our last show recently

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<v Speaker 2>take a week ago. Yeah, So like I said, that's recent,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty recent. Yeah, Julia and I have done shows on

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<v Speaker 2>weird scenes, ritual abuse in cinema, murders, a cult symbolism

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<v Speaker 2>of really nice light subjects, program killers. So we've done this.

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<v Speaker 2>It ties in with this show. And then also we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about the jfk assassination, which is very timely actually,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's probably another show to do. But uh done

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of.

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<v Speaker 5>Jiff with you, William.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like we're talking to you as well, working

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<v Speaker 2>with you as well. I'm following your stuff too. You're

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<v Speaker 2>like on a bunch of other my friend shows are

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<v Speaker 2>cult rejects, and so you've been busy. I can tell.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks. Yeah, well, you know, all work and no play

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<v Speaker 5>a psychopath. If I start reading Catcher.

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<v Speaker 2>In the Rye, yeah, you gotta be careful. I actually

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<v Speaker 2>made a post of funny. Well, I tried to be

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<v Speaker 2>funny on my social media, like if I become a

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<v Speaker 2>changed person, it's not the real me after I read

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<v Speaker 2>this book, because it seems like people have read this

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<v Speaker 2>book and like literally change their personalities have changed. So

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<v Speaker 2>and that'll be kind of the theme of the presentation

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<v Speaker 2>that I have. It's like, it's really weird and it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of came to my attention because I was actually

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<v Speaker 2>online with somebody else arguing, and I'm like, no, Chapman did.

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<v Speaker 2>The book was central to Chapman's rationale and reasoning and

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<v Speaker 2>the way his outlook was, and I did. So I

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<v Speaker 2>did a sh show. I was doing a series. I

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<v Speaker 2>had a fourteen part series called The d Hypno Program.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's the ideas of hypnosis and mind control and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. So I did a show about Chapman

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<v Speaker 2>and Catcher and the Rye and then it just developed again.

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<v Speaker 2>I did another show for Todd would of California, and

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<v Speaker 2>it just kind of expanded. Then I read the book

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like in my mind, like I had

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<v Speaker 2>read the book in high school, so you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know Dutaly like what I know today. And so

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<v Speaker 2>when I read it again, I'm like, Wow, there's really

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<v Speaker 2>dark themes in here. I could see why this is

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<v Speaker 2>a contentious book, Like it's contentious in the culture, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's for me and my kind of mindset and the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff I've learned. It's like, really shocking that this is

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<v Speaker 2>put in front of impressionable team people, Like it's really dark.

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<v Speaker 2>It has some really dark themes in it. If you

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<v Speaker 2>guys don't know how much of you've read through it

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<v Speaker 2>or look through it, or.

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<v Speaker 5>You've read it right, you read the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I need to read it again.

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<v Speaker 4>I also read it in high school and I I

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<v Speaker 4>remember not thinking it was that good.

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<v Speaker 2>Me too, I don't think I enjoyed reading it. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't understand it. And like what they tell you, this

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<v Speaker 2>is like a disaffected teen who's going through troubled times.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh and then like me reading as adult, like

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<v Speaker 2>there's nothing redeemable about this character holding call Field. They're

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<v Speaker 2>really to me, he is a very kind of scatterbrain, schizoid,

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous person with like this murder hat that they show

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<v Speaker 2>on the on the symbolism of capturing the riots, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wearing a murder hat. I kill people in the murdrat.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the look. And it has there's a repetitive phraseology

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<v Speaker 2>that you see in these other kind of like strange

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<v Speaker 2>people extra answer at which I show in the slides

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<v Speaker 2>that will get into you know, oh, like there's weird

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<v Speaker 2>repetitive I will, I will, I will. In the book,

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<v Speaker 2>which was written in nineteen fifty one, for people who

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, JD. Salinger ex military intelligence, he was part

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<v Speaker 2>of something called the counter Intelligence Commission during World War Two,

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<v Speaker 2>same unit that Kissinger very nefarious character was in, but

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<v Speaker 2>also had involved mind control because you're talking to people

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<v Speaker 2>to try to get to get information out of them.

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<v Speaker 2>So these themes I think are in his personal life.

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<v Speaker 2>And he went into a mental institution from shell shock.

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<v Speaker 2>We would call it post traumatic stress disorder now, but

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<v Speaker 2>he was in a mental institution. He also had like

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<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable relationships with fourteen fifteen year old girl that she

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<v Speaker 2>talks about it online on YouTube, and it ties into

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<v Speaker 2>this whole relationship between Holden Caufield and his sister who's

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<v Speaker 2>ten in the book, Phoebe, And it's almost like the

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<v Speaker 2>whole book starts with him at this Pency Prep and

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<v Speaker 2>he travels from Pency Prep, which is a fictitious school

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<v Speaker 2>by the way in Pennsylvania, to Manhattan to Central Park

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<v Speaker 2>to meet up with his sister, and he spends a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of time with his sister, and that's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>how it ends. And then the last chapter of the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six chapters, I think it's him in a mental

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<v Speaker 2>life institution with his brother. So there are themes of this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like it's not like a there's not like

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<v Speaker 2>a bow tie at the end of a coming of

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<v Speaker 2>age story of a young person who like gets through

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<v Speaker 2>all of his troubles and solves them all and then

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<v Speaker 2>everything's wine and roses. He ends up in a mental exccution.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what people are being exposed to. And there's

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<v Speaker 2>very subtle things in here that I know of, Like

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<v Speaker 2>he mentions al Pike. He mentions, like these people Albert Pike,

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<v Speaker 2>who's the head of the Masons, is in here. He

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<v Speaker 2>goes to the wicker Bar, which is like the wicker

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<v Speaker 2>Man where they do human sacrifices, like this very dark stuff. So,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's kind of a basic view of this book.

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<v Speaker 2>But sixty five million books of these of this book

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<v Speaker 2>have been sold. It's an incredible cultural event. And it

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<v Speaker 2>happened in the timeframe of like Kinsey published Sex and

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<v Speaker 2>the Man and forty eight and then Lolita, I think

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<v Speaker 2>came out of fifty three or fifty five, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's within that time that this post war refiguring

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<v Speaker 2>of kind of traditional values.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like it's like pre Laurel Canyon. Yeah, Like it's

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<v Speaker 5>like this setup for a Laurel Canyon.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it's really a culture change you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he was a culture change agent, and not

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<v Speaker 2>in a good way.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, Yeah, it sounds like it sounds like girl interrupted,

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<v Speaker 5>but not. He ends up in like a mental institution.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So he ends up in like a like not

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<v Speaker 2>in a good place. And he's like one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things about the book that's very Salinger supposed he wrote

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<v Speaker 2>it at thirty two. It's very sophisticated in its literary techniques,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's kind of psychological states, and it explains a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of things. There's a lot of like scatter brains,

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<v Speaker 2>getzoid behavior. By by holding call Field and he holding

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<v Speaker 2>call Field. It almost has almost every negative psychological trait imaginable.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a pyroal maniac. He's an inceell. He says

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<v Speaker 2>in his mind, he's a sex maniac. He also fights

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<v Speaker 2>people without provocation. He's in the care of a psychiatrist.

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<v Speaker 2>He breaks windows. He doesn't know why he did it.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's like, there isn't this kind of like solution

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<v Speaker 2>where like you have people I always have problems, but like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is how I'm solving it. He doesn't solve his problems.

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<v Speaker 2>He never solves his problems. And I mean he takes matches,

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<v Speaker 2>lights them and then they go down and they burn

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<v Speaker 2>his fingers. That's what he likes to do. He's a chainsmoker.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's almost like almost every kind of sexual like

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<v Speaker 2>deviancy is in this book too, So you've got themes

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<v Speaker 2>of homosexuality, pedophilia, voyeurism, prostitution.

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<v Speaker 5>His hit what's up like incest right?

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<v Speaker 2>Incest right? Good point. The he's been hit on by

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<v Speaker 2>like ten or twenty of his professors, So that he

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<v Speaker 2>goes to visit this guy Andelini, who tries to start

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<v Speaker 2>stroking his head while he's on Andelini's couch and he

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<v Speaker 2>gets up like this always makes me feel weird, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's happened to be ten or twenty times. But the

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<v Speaker 2>weird thing about Holding Callfield is he gets himself into

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<v Speaker 2>that situation. So Andelini may be taking different in their

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<v Speaker 2>suicide too in this movie. In this book, Andalini may

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<v Speaker 2>be taking kind of cues from Holding Calfield that Holding

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<v Speaker 2>Callfield doesn't understand. So this dissociation of like his consequence

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<v Speaker 2>which I show there's this whole theme of the ducks.

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<v Speaker 2>So he goes to Central Park and he doesn't understand

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<v Speaker 2>where the ducks go, whereas everybody by the time their

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<v Speaker 2>ten realizes the ducks Flyesyuth for the winner. But he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't understand this. So you get this impression that the

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<v Speaker 2>external world that comes into his brain isn't coming in

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<v Speaker 2>the right way. And I do believe he's dissociated. And

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<v Speaker 2>he also depersonalizes people. He's depersonalizing reality, and you'll see

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<v Speaker 2>that with these other kind of like Chapman and Hinckley,

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<v Speaker 2>there is this depersonalization. But like everybody's fake and phony, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so he doesn't see them as people trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>their you know, empathy. He doesn't have an empathetic sensibility

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<v Speaker 2>at all. He just sees these people's fake and phony

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody's fake. And so these are kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>themes I mean. And it starts the book starts out

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<v Speaker 2>with him at pency and he's on like he says,

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<v Speaker 2>it's cold as a witch's teat So actually the central

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<v Speaker 2>character holding Callfield, is sitting on kind of a witch's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, female anatomy. And it's like, wow, so this

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<v Speaker 2>is starting. One of the interesting things is this call

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's intentional, like a lot of these names

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<v Speaker 2>in this book are intentional. But a call when a

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<v Speaker 2>baby is born, it's like gives him second sight. Like

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<v Speaker 2>that's the kind of traditional lore is that this person

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<v Speaker 2>with a call on their head will be kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like a magician or a psychic or something. So holding

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<v Speaker 2>call field and then the field relates to this whole

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<v Speaker 2>concept of catcher in the rye and that catcher in

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<v Speaker 2>the rye. Even the name catcher in the Rye is

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of dissociation because Holden wants to be a

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<v Speaker 2>catcher of these little kids. So there's a fixation on

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<v Speaker 2>kids again, which is also weird. And he he's misinterpreting

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<v Speaker 2>a poem by Burns, which is somebody coming through the rye.

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<v Speaker 2>But he wants to be a catcher. But if the

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<v Speaker 2>Burns quote if a body catch a body coming through

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<v Speaker 2>the rye, right, so he it's he's like, wants to

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<v Speaker 2>be this catch of this thing. So he and there's

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<v Speaker 2>a famous quote and you'll see it kind of in

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<v Speaker 2>Like he just like everything's full of crooks and phonies.

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<v Speaker 4>Depressed because you mentioned there's like almost like kick driving

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<v Speaker 2>are very dark things. He's also meets this guy Loose,

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<v Speaker 2>think I've done them with Sean McCann, but like he now,

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<v Speaker 2>which he also never allowed third parties to verify. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's interesting Catcher and the Rye and Kinsey's work sync

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<v Speaker 2>half of merry guys are gay, which isn't true. Like

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<v Speaker 2>there's a small proportion that are bisexual or whatever, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not as common as these guys Allegen and Kinsey is.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, his connection to Crowley and all this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>is all verified, and Kenneth Anger too, of all people, do.

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<v Speaker 5>You think like this character, this holding character is just

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<v Speaker 2>It's a really good question because Salinger did grow up wealthy.

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<v Speaker 2>he is kind of an extension of holding Callfield's extension

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<v Speaker 2>of Salingers to a certain extent. So I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>a really good question. So, I mean the locales. There's

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's Mangione or Chapman, like the the Dakota's right

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<v Speaker 2>off Central Park two Sore where Chapman supposedly killed Lenon

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty. So I do think that that this

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<v Speaker 2>Catcher in the Rye was put out or released in

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<v Speaker 2>fifty one, like I said earlier, but he had done

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<v Speaker 2>five or six like smaller bits, and they were published

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<v Speaker 2>in Vanity Fair. So there was kind of like a

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<v Speaker 5>Did you have a question? I feel like I interrupted you.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>Earlier, I was just going to say yeah, sure, I

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<v Speaker 4>read this book. I was probably a junior in high school.

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<v Speaker 4>I just I kind of questioned why. And it wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>it was in the library, and the librarian said, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>this book's been banned before, but now certain high schools

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<v Speaker 4>and I was just blown away by the nihilism in

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<v Speaker 4>it and to be putting that until like kids' heads

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<v Speaker 4>when they're in that, you know, real kind of vulnerable stage,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you're pushing this book, which you're going to

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<v Speaker 4>of blurry in what happened and what went on, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think you and I probably think certain similar things

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<v Speaker 4>happened with Holden in the end of the book. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't really have a question. I would just kind

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's mysterious. It's mysterious, and he's interpreting things. He's

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<v Speaker 2>so happy with his Phoebe. They were gonna run away together.

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<v Speaker 2>She brought her luggage and stuff. A ten year old

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<v Speaker 2>which is complete nonsense, but that's like the pedophile mindset

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<v Speaker 2>is like, they're old enough. So she's portrayed as an adult.

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<v Speaker 2>She knows burns, she talks to him as an adult,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's driving her crazy. He's like, oh, she drives

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<v Speaker 2>It takes place in her bedroom, and then they go

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<v Speaker 2>to the carousel, and then she disappears. He's in a

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<v Speaker 2>there's a vagary and then he breaks the fourth wall.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think he starts off like talking to the reader,

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<v Speaker 2>but then he's like, you're doing this internal dialogue, which

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<v Speaker 2>is very strange because when you read that, you're really

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of cross osmosis I think going on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he says, I don't know why I did it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just telling you this real story. So he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>He does he calls a prostitute, but it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>it's like an insult. He doesn't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 2>He panics, so he's afraid of women. He's sixteen at

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<v Speaker 2>the time. So yeah, it's just it's not a positive

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<v Speaker 2>book at all, Like after reading it, it's just like

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<v Speaker 2>off the charts. But he's always blaming other things. People.

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<v Speaker 2>People are ruining things for you. But yeah, if maybe

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<v Speaker 2>in the common culture. Like there is a conspiracy theory

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<v Speaker 2>movie where the mel Gibson's carrying catching the Ryot. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a sequence in another mind control themed film, The Shining,

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<v Speaker 2>the same themes are in Shining, like there's an undercurrent

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<v Speaker 2>of pedophilia and abuse, and she's reading The Red Covered.

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<v Speaker 2>You know this book that's associated with death My god.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I have a picture of it in my slides.

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe we can watch Let's see if I can

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<v Speaker 6>There's something with her dress as well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the same color dress as what Phoebe was wearing

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<v Speaker 2>when she was when she was on the carousel. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>let's see if I get this way. Make sure you

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we get it.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, okay, kids, let's take our saints. There has been

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<v Speaker 7>a change in school policy, and so I'm assigning you

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<v Speaker 8>A book.

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<v Speaker 5>God, I hate those now.

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<v Speaker 7>Kids, this book is very controversial and has just been

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<v Speaker 6>Oh really sweet.

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<v Speaker 7>It's called Catcher in the Ride and it has some

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<v Speaker 7>very riskue parts, oh right, and strong vulgar language. And

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<v Speaker 7>in fact, many schools across the country still ban this

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<v Speaker 6>Oh man, I can't wait tonight.

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<v Speaker 7>I want you to read chapters one through five, and

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<v Speaker 7>tomorrow we'll discuss this.

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<v Speaker 5>Come on, let's read it now, mister Garrison. Didn't the

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<v Speaker 5>guy who shot John Lennon say it was because of

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<v Speaker 5>this book?

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, apparently John Lennon's killer said he was inspired by

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<v Speaker 7>Catcher in the Ride, but he was just a kug.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you're telling us this book is filthy, inappropriate and made.

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<v Speaker 7>A guy shoot the King of Hippies.

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<v Speaker 5>Can we please read this right now?

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<v Speaker 7>You will read it at home, and you will all

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<v Speaker 1>Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's just kind of a funny one. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>also another video here. Let's see if I can pull

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<v Speaker 2>it up. This is Butters with the book kill John

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<v Speaker 2>So just kind of like seeing it in the common

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<v Speaker 2>culture I think is interesting, Like it's clearly their people

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<v Speaker 2>kind of know the story. I don't they know. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if they know how deep it really goes.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's like crazy because it's like Chapman absorbed himself

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<v Speaker 2>and became the main character, so he became old in

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<v Speaker 5>But didn't he have like a weird thing with Kenneth Anger,

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<v Speaker 5>like in the in Dave McGowan's work that after or

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<v Speaker 2>The a bullet He said something to Anger about a bullet.

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<v Speaker 5>Added, William, because that's the first thing I thought of

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<v Speaker 5>when you mentioned the other connection to to Kenneth Anger,

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<v Speaker 5>the other guy, I was like, Kinsey Kinsey, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Chapman had a thing for Anger, didn't you. I'll have

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<v Speaker 2>to look into that. I know that there was a

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<v Speaker 2>a brief thing, but I didn't know what I know now,

416
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<v Speaker 2>but it is. There's a really kind of well in

417
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<v Speaker 2>my other in my book too and my section on

418
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<v Speaker 2>Anger in Kinsey have a picture of Anger and Kinsey

419
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<v Speaker 2>at Crowley's Abbey of Thelema, so they're hanging out together,

420
00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:10.359
<v Speaker 2>and there's videos of those two together. Anger was involved

421
00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:16.559
<v Speaker 2>in Kinsey's I mean a scientist well abuse abuse. I

422
00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:19.480
<v Speaker 2>call it abuse material now, but that used to be

423
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<v Speaker 2>called like experiments or Kinsey's experiments, which are really horrific

424
00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:27.359
<v Speaker 2>if you really look into them. They were like abusing

425
00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:28.920
<v Speaker 2>infants and stuff like really sick o.

426
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<v Speaker 5>Lord, they travel in small circles though.

427
00:24:32.359 --> 00:24:35.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, it's really bad. I mean. Anger is

428
00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:40.759
<v Speaker 2>another story because Anger is interesting because he ties to Kinsey,

429
00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:48.400
<v Speaker 2>to Chapman and to the Manson family, and Bobby Booseley

430
00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:52.359
<v Speaker 2>lived with him at the Russian Embassy off of Hate,

431
00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:53.079
<v Speaker 2>pretty close to.

432
00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:56.759
<v Speaker 4>Hate, and Vito and Vita Polikus and the Freaks also

433
00:24:56.839 --> 00:24:59.640
<v Speaker 4>had some kind of Anger thing because their son before

434
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<v Speaker 4>he he was going to originally play the role. I

435
00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:07.400
<v Speaker 4>think it was, Yeah, which is weird a little kid.

436
00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, I mean, and you can see the pictures.

437
00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:13.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, a lot of the over people who researched

438
00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:17.599
<v Speaker 2>Manson Kat conveniently overlook the connection between Bob boos Lay

439
00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:21.680
<v Speaker 2>and Anger. And it's a mistake because Busi Lay is

440
00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Lucifer I think, either not in Lucifer Rising, but my

441
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:28.079
<v Speaker 2>demon brother. And there's pictures of them going down the

442
00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:31.680
<v Speaker 2>stairs and ritual stuff and all the tattoos and stuff.

443
00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:33.839
<v Speaker 2>The mark of the Beast is there.

444
00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:37.119
<v Speaker 5>Those two had a big crush on each other, that's

445
00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:37.599
<v Speaker 5>for sure.

446
00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:43.319
<v Speaker 2>Anger is not straight. Anger likes I think I.

447
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:44.759
<v Speaker 5>Think there was a relationship.

448
00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, the I think it's like the older gay

449
00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:52.680
<v Speaker 2>guy and the younger good Like Boosla was a ladies man,

450
00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:54.880
<v Speaker 2>There's just no question about it. Like women liked him,

451
00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:58.839
<v Speaker 2>so I think that he was the I think there

452
00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:02.079
<v Speaker 2>was something going on between both them and the magical things.

453
00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:07.119
<v Speaker 2>Like Boosilet said he experienced intense spiritual events living with anger,

454
00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:11.160
<v Speaker 2>like he literally had supernatural events and stuff like that.

455
00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:13.960
<v Speaker 5>So they were opening each other's third eyes.

456
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:17.640
<v Speaker 2>I believe it. You don't want to see that happen,

457
00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:22.480
<v Speaker 2>but I believe the uh Boozila was part of a

458
00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:26.759
<v Speaker 2>band called the Magical Powerhouse of Oz and so OZ

459
00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:30.319
<v Speaker 2>if you know Crowley, o Z kind of corresponds to

460
00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:34.240
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven and liber Oz, which is Crowley's kind of

461
00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:39.680
<v Speaker 2>Huba tractate of human freedom, if you want to call

462
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<v Speaker 2>it that. But the Magical was spelled with a K too,

463
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:46.920
<v Speaker 2>right obviously, like with the K the power number eleven.

464
00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:49.279
<v Speaker 2>And they were playing around all this stuff in the hate.

465
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:53.160
<v Speaker 2>So that's kind. I mean, this, this whole environment of

466
00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:56.920
<v Speaker 2>the hate at that time was absolutely insane. Process manson

467
00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:01.160
<v Speaker 2>jolly jolly West all around there. I mean, it's really

468
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:05.359
<v Speaker 2>the clinic or whatever, the free clinic the so called

469
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:12.920
<v Speaker 2>free clinic anyway, So anger we go back to where

470
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:15.359
<v Speaker 2>do we leave off? I think we we can just

471
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:17.319
<v Speaker 2>go straight to the book. We watch those two videos.

472
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:22.599
<v Speaker 2>Are you seeing the slides on your end? Yeah? Okay,

473
00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:24.279
<v Speaker 2>do you want me to just go through them? This

474
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:26.079
<v Speaker 2>is the book? So you see the covers of these

475
00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:28.880
<v Speaker 2>books always the same. It's like red and gold for

476
00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:33.319
<v Speaker 2>some reason. And then the second one is the end

477
00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:36.240
<v Speaker 2>sequence of the book, which takes place at the carousel, right,

478
00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:39.079
<v Speaker 2>that's what it's referencing. So that's taking place at Central Park.

479
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:41.519
<v Speaker 2>And this third slide, you guys can see this with

480
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:44.680
<v Speaker 2>the murder hat right, So this is actually another cover

481
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:49.000
<v Speaker 2>from fifty one. That's chainsmoking Holden call Field with his

482
00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:53.079
<v Speaker 2>people hunting hat and dissociating about the ducks. Where do

483
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:56.759
<v Speaker 2>the ducks go? Right? Like it's really incredible. And then

484
00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:59.240
<v Speaker 2>this is kind of a thing showing sixty five million

485
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.640
<v Speaker 2>copies were sold. This is what JD. Salinger looked like.

486
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.079
<v Speaker 2>He literally landed it. I think Omaha Beach. So this

487
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.880
<v Speaker 2>may June nineteen forty four. He landed in France, and

488
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:15.960
<v Speaker 2>he knew he spoke fluent French and German, so he

489
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:19.440
<v Speaker 2>was definitely an intel asset, so he could he could

490
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:23.279
<v Speaker 2>really and their stories like apparently he's fairly close. I

491
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:25.359
<v Speaker 2>mean people who know the story of Werner von Braun

492
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:28.279
<v Speaker 2>and all this stuff like that. Apparently he was involved

493
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:30.359
<v Speaker 2>in that. I have to go back and confirm that

494
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:34.480
<v Speaker 2>involved in in debriefing a lot of German assets.

495
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:40.200
<v Speaker 5>Oh my god. Yeah, this little seventy seven on his hat, Yeah,

496
00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:41.079
<v Speaker 5>it's a strange number.

497
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:44.160
<v Speaker 2>I think it was the seventy seventh Infantry. He also

498
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:47.160
<v Speaker 2>had a short brief marriage with a German woman who

499
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:52.400
<v Speaker 2>hated Jews and he was Jewish, and so, I mean

500
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:56.079
<v Speaker 2>he had some pretty intense like connections during the war.

501
00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:58.200
<v Speaker 2>He said he I think he was at Dak Hour

502
00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:00.559
<v Speaker 2>or something like that. He said that this of human

503
00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.279
<v Speaker 2>bodies that can never get out of his nose. So

504
00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:07.599
<v Speaker 2>he had a really pretty horrible thing. So here's Chapman.

505
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:11.599
<v Speaker 2>He's got the finger to his head. Right. This is

506
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:14.599
<v Speaker 2>a I think it's a picture from People magazine. And

507
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:18.000
<v Speaker 2>there's Hinkley, same kind of same kind of weird visage,

508
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:20.920
<v Speaker 2>some kind of something pointing to his head. And you'll

509
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:23.000
<v Speaker 2>see the same kind of theme when we get to

510
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:28.680
<v Speaker 2>the film Taxi Driver, Right, The Taxi Driver ends with

511
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Robert de Niro, who plays Travis Pickell, doing that same

512
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:35.359
<v Speaker 2>motion of gun to his head. So we're gonna see

513
00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:40.480
<v Speaker 2>reality shape into fiction, fiction shapes back into reality, and

514
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:43.359
<v Speaker 2>it's it's kind of there's some kind of weird hypnotic thing,

515
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:48.119
<v Speaker 2>I think in taking place where these the blurred lines

516
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:51.839
<v Speaker 2>are clearly blurred between reality and fiction fiction being Catcher

517
00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:54.599
<v Speaker 2>in the Ryan, these guys reality literally trying to kill

518
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:57.480
<v Speaker 2>people or being Patsy's like I don't think Chapman actually

519
00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:03.000
<v Speaker 2>killed Lennon, but it's an the story still present. So

520
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:06.079
<v Speaker 2>even here, this is TMZ saying John Hankley Junior asked

521
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:08.480
<v Speaker 2>by ex users to assassinate Donald Trump, and we'll see

522
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:10.160
<v Speaker 2>this like there's I don't know how many times he's

523
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:14.160
<v Speaker 2>been assassinated or attempted, I know three off end. But

524
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:18.680
<v Speaker 2>there was also these other weird events Libelsburger where he

525
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:21.440
<v Speaker 2>went to Trump Tower on the first of twenty twenty five.

526
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:25.359
<v Speaker 2>If you remember that he blew up his Tesla truck.

527
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.799
<v Speaker 2>Supposedly Weir and these guys all are attached for Bragg,

528
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:31.000
<v Speaker 2>like go figure, and there's a lot of dark stuff

529
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:34.319
<v Speaker 2>at Fort Bragg. But you see Hinckley had an obsession

530
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:40.440
<v Speaker 2>with Jody Foster, whereas Hakafield had this obsession with Phoebe.

531
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:43.599
<v Speaker 2>So she's kind of mirroring this book. And you'll see.

532
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Hinckley had a catcher in the rye. He also associated

533
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:53.160
<v Speaker 2>with this guy, Travis Bickle. I think that The Taxi

534
00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:57.079
<v Speaker 2>Driver won Best Picture of Best Screenplay in nineteen seventy four,

535
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 2>so it was right around this time Bickle. It was

536
00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:04.480
<v Speaker 2>an inspiration from another guy, Bremer, who will see it

537
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:08.480
<v Speaker 2>just it's it's unbelievable. Bremer tried to kill George Wallace

538
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:12.079
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy two. Bickol's inspired by them, and then

539
00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Bickle inspires Hinckley. So here's I mean, these are cultural figures.

540
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:23.559
<v Speaker 2>This guy like DeNiro for sure, but also Travis Bickele

541
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:26.240
<v Speaker 2>with her. I guess Jodie Foster like was never the

542
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:29.559
<v Speaker 2>same after filming this movie or whatever. But anyway, this

543
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:34.640
<v Speaker 2>book The President has been shot. This is page nineteen

544
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:39.759
<v Speaker 2>The Assassin. Hinckley identified with Travis and began to act

545
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:42.960
<v Speaker 2>like him after he'd seen the film fifteen times crazy.

546
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:45.480
<v Speaker 2>He bought the same clothes, ate the same food strength,

547
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:47.799
<v Speaker 2>the same liquors, and invented a girlfriend, just said Bickle.

548
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:50.359
<v Speaker 2>In August nineteen seventy nine, he bought a thirty eight

549
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:53.400
<v Speaker 2>caliber pistol. In January eighty he bought a six point

550
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:57.200
<v Speaker 2>five caliber rifle. In China, July sixteenth, he purchased a

551
00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:01.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty two caliber rifle. If you've seen Taxi, there's a

552
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:05.319
<v Speaker 2>sequence where bickles in a hotel room buying weapons for

553
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:09.240
<v Speaker 2>the assassination. And one of the lesser known people we

554
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:14.240
<v Speaker 2>were talking about is Robert John Bardo, who looks absolutely

555
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:17.119
<v Speaker 2>deranged in this picture from nineteen eighty nine, and he

556
00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:20.359
<v Speaker 2>hunted down and killed this woman. Nobody really knows why

557
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:23.880
<v Speaker 2>he was obsessed with Rebecca Schaeffer, but she was an

558
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:26.880
<v Speaker 2>up and coming actress and went all the way I

559
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:30.200
<v Speaker 2>think he was in You'll see this other thing that's

560
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:33.240
<v Speaker 2>very consistent with like these killers, they're moving around a lot.

561
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:37.680
<v Speaker 2>It's very strange. Hinckley was moving towards DC. And you'll

562
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:39.240
<v Speaker 2>see this in the book when I show it. I'll

563
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:42.319
<v Speaker 2>show it in the presentation. But Chapman was in o

564
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:45.079
<v Speaker 2>Waho and you'll see this later, like who else was

565
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:48.839
<v Speaker 2>in a wah who recently we'll get to that. You'll

566
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:54.160
<v Speaker 2>see these weird overlaps, but direct evidence. Nineteen eighty nine,

567
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:56.279
<v Speaker 2>a red paperback copy of The Catcher in the Rye

568
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:58.759
<v Speaker 2>was found on the roof of the Beverly Pumps Rehabilitation

569
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.559
<v Speaker 2>Center Boulevard. He Bartow indicated he threw a red covered

570
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:05.200
<v Speaker 2>paperback book entitled The Catcher in the Rye in the

571
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:08.640
<v Speaker 2>alley while he was running, said his Skoto. The discovery

572
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:10.400
<v Speaker 2>of the book hark back to the nineteen eighty one

573
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:13.000
<v Speaker 2>shooting a former beadle John Lennon by one time mental

574
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:16.359
<v Speaker 2>patient Mark David Chapman in New York City. After the

575
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:18.880
<v Speaker 2>obsessed fan shot the rock singer, he calmly took out

576
00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:20.960
<v Speaker 2>a copy of J. D. Salager novel and was reading

577
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:24.640
<v Speaker 2>it when police arrived. True story, So this one is

578
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:29.039
<v Speaker 2>eight years after it actually happened in nineteen eighty. Whoever

579
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:31.319
<v Speaker 2>the journalist got the date ron not too bad off.

580
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:34.440
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, there's a lot of newspaper articles of these

581
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:37.839
<v Speaker 2>two guys together, Lenin and Hinckley. And if you read

582
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:39.680
<v Speaker 2>this in the center of this article, I forgot where

583
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:42.319
<v Speaker 2>I was from. It says Reed's Catcher in the Rye

584
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:46.920
<v Speaker 2>passage in court, which we'll get to Hinkley's defense not

585
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:51.440
<v Speaker 2>yet determined. Hinkley's dad counts his son's trip into a

586
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:54.119
<v Speaker 2>dark world of mental illness. He was actually at one

587
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:57.480
<v Speaker 2>point kind of a normal, promising young kid, is like

588
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:02.359
<v Speaker 2>what other people said. And then bart Oh Barto was

589
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:05.880
<v Speaker 2>not insane, which is really strange. He was not insane

590
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.480
<v Speaker 2>when he killed the actress, but suffered from a schizophrenic

591
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:12.119
<v Speaker 2>disorder notice splitting, which hampered his ability to form the

592
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:16.719
<v Speaker 2>intent for murder. Psychiatrist testified, this is park Elliott Diets

593
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:20.440
<v Speaker 2>who's on TV all the time, used to be. He

594
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:24.519
<v Speaker 2>said that Bartow identified closely with Mark David Chapman, Lenin's assassin,

595
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:27.719
<v Speaker 2>and knew that Chapman had the JD. Salinger book about

596
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:30.440
<v Speaker 2>a young Man's alienation with him when he shot Lenin.

597
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:36.239
<v Speaker 2>He's alienated, holding call Fields more than alienated. What's interesting

598
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:39.880
<v Speaker 2>about Bardow is that he was smart enough. He was calculated,

599
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:42.960
<v Speaker 2>supposedly to hire detectives to hunter down and find out

600
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:46.039
<v Speaker 2>where she was. It's so weird. Nineteen year old guy,

601
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:50.639
<v Speaker 2>a young guy she was on this show called my

602
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:56.559
<v Speaker 2>sister Sam. Just more things. Chapman and Hinckley together write

603
00:34:56.599 --> 00:35:00.000
<v Speaker 2>same news articles. That's a Schaeffer with their parents before

604
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.320
<v Speaker 2>before she was shot. And then the Catcher in the

605
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Rise linked to JFK. John Lennon, and we're back in Shaffer.

606
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Supposedly Oswald. One of his favorite books I haven't verified

607
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:11.719
<v Speaker 2>it yet was Catcher in the Rye and was in

608
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:16.599
<v Speaker 2>his library when he was in Dallas. But here's that

609
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:21.239
<v Speaker 2>sequence we were talking about earlier. This is the shining

610
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.400
<v Speaker 2>with Danny and she's reading a Catcher on the Rye

611
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:28.800
<v Speaker 2>and the same outfit that Phoebe's has on a blue

612
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:33.679
<v Speaker 2>dress when she was on the on the carousel in

613
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:37.440
<v Speaker 2>New York City in Central Park. And then there's the

614
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:41.119
<v Speaker 2>Catcher in the Rye. This is from the movie Conspiracy Theory.

615
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:43.280
<v Speaker 2>He's always asking, I'm a video of him too, I

616
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:45.920
<v Speaker 2>can say if I can find it. Another guy who's

617
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:50.559
<v Speaker 2>research Catcher in the Rye is Joe Atwell. And last

618
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:53.440
<v Speaker 2>sentence of this one the Freemason. The writer is freemason.

619
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:57.320
<v Speaker 2>I just mentioned Albert Albert Pike, right, he wrote Morals

620
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<v Speaker 2>and Dogma. It was very much involved in the formation

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<v Speaker 2>of the KKK. But this is it is alleged that

622
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<v Speaker 2>Lee Harvey Oswald had a copy in his apartment and

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<v Speaker 2>that it was one of his favorite books, although this

624
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<v Speaker 2>is disputed.

625
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<v Speaker 4>So.

626
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<v Speaker 2>I haven't confirmed that yet. This is like the repetitive phrase.

627
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:18.599
<v Speaker 2>This is the people shooting at I shoot people in

628
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:21.880
<v Speaker 2>this hat. And you can actually go get the audiobook

629
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<v Speaker 2>right now. This is the picture that they use on

630
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<v Speaker 2>the audiobook. Is him with his murder hat right. It's Callfield.

631
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<v Speaker 2>I've interviewed this guy, David Wheel and Mind Games. This

632
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:33.679
<v Speaker 2>is a recent book where he went through all of

633
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:38.679
<v Speaker 2>the John Lennon stuff and Chapman, and his conclusion is

634
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:41.280
<v Speaker 2>that there's no way Chapman could have killed Lenin. He

635
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:43.599
<v Speaker 2>wasn't in the right place at the right time, and

636
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:46.239
<v Speaker 2>Lennon's body was moved around. But Lennon had a very

637
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:52.000
<v Speaker 2>tight bullet thing. It wasn't like somebody casually shooting at

638
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.760
<v Speaker 2>thirty eight. Somebody got up close and shot him at

639
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:57.760
<v Speaker 2>the right spot, the left side of the chest, so

640
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:00.440
<v Speaker 2>that there's no way that he would have He was

641
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:02.800
<v Speaker 2>dead when he hit the ground, like somebody pro would

642
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:03.440
<v Speaker 2>do that to make it.

643
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:05.400
<v Speaker 6>Wasn't it like seven shots?

644
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, seven shots right to the chest in a very

645
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:11.599
<v Speaker 2>tight thing. So it's not some random guy. There's no

646
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:15.360
<v Speaker 2>evidence that Chapman was like really a gunsmith. He had guns,

647
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:18.079
<v Speaker 2>but so is Ketcher in.

648
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:20.880
<v Speaker 5>The I don't know. I'm just forming a theory and

649
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:25.239
<v Speaker 5>maybe you'll get to it. But it's like it signals

650
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:30.599
<v Speaker 5>maybe more Patsy type association than it does assassins.

651
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:36.159
<v Speaker 2>Exactly. It's precisely, it's about Patsy's it's not about the assassins.

652
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:38.400
<v Speaker 2>And you'll see that the same thing. I mean, we

653
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:41.599
<v Speaker 2>go into RFK sar answer and he's in the pantry,

654
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.360
<v Speaker 2>he's shooting guns. It's possibly a brant, So there's eleven bullets.

655
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:47.480
<v Speaker 2>There's like he had an eight shooter or something, so

656
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:51.800
<v Speaker 2>there's more bullets to be accounted of. And the medical

657
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:55.199
<v Speaker 2>examiner at the time was a Japanese guy who seemed

658
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:57.840
<v Speaker 2>to have a real independent streak, and he's on videos

659
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:00.519
<v Speaker 2>saying the killing of I mean, this is timely because

660
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:05.639
<v Speaker 2>RFJJ RFK juniors and this administration. But the bullet that

661
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:09.519
<v Speaker 2>came from behind that killed Robert F. Kennedy in sixty

662
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:13.119
<v Speaker 2>eight came about six inches behind his head and there's

663
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:15.599
<v Speaker 2>no evidence anymore. Nobody ever said Sir Ann was that

664
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:20.719
<v Speaker 2>close to him. So I mean, that's another show. He

665
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:26.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of does tie into this, but he didn't. There's

666
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:29.639
<v Speaker 2>not a real clear connection to There's clear connection to

667
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:33.280
<v Speaker 2>the driving language, but there's not connection to the book itself.

668
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:36.039
<v Speaker 2>But this is the kind of book I used as

669
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:39.519
<v Speaker 2>the background for by Chapman Inquiry, which is the murder

670
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:44.639
<v Speaker 2>of John Lennon Fenton bresla And here is this is

671
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.480
<v Speaker 2>the connection between Sir hanserm and Chapman. When you come

672
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:49.920
<v Speaker 2>to read in detail about how Mark Chapman behaved after

673
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:53.079
<v Speaker 2>Lennon's murder, you'll find a striking parallel between the days,

674
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:54.880
<v Speaker 2>as if in a trance like condition of the two

675
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:58.199
<v Speaker 2>men he's talking about. Sir Ansterram, Mark remembered more of

676
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:01.239
<v Speaker 2>the actual killing, but otherwise the reacts were almost identical.

677
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:05.960
<v Speaker 2>And remember what ex Lieutenant of Detectives, Arthur O'Connor said,

678
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:08.159
<v Speaker 2>I saw him the night of the murder. I studied

679
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:10.559
<v Speaker 2>him intensely. He looked at it as if he could

680
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:15.719
<v Speaker 2>have been programmed. And I know what you what use

681
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:20.039
<v Speaker 2>you're going to make of that word. So it's kind

682
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:22.360
<v Speaker 2>of an interesting art of this guy's very attuned Befent

683
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.920
<v Speaker 2>and breslaer to like Walter Bauert and hunt for the

684
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Manchurian candidate. But here's the connection between Sirhan, Sirhan and Chapman.

685
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:36.519
<v Speaker 2>This and he calls this money too to me because

686
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:38.880
<v Speaker 2>he calls it an odd footnote. But to me, this

687
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.280
<v Speaker 2>is central to the whole story, which is I'll quote it.

688
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:46.039
<v Speaker 2>There's an odd footnote to all this. The principal medical

689
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:49.199
<v Speaker 2>defense witness for Sirhan was doctor Bernard Diamond of the

690
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:52.800
<v Speaker 2>University of California, one of America's leading psychiatrists to use

691
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.760
<v Speaker 2>hypnosis in his work. Thirteen years later, he was to

692
00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:58.960
<v Speaker 2>be one of the defense psychiatrists in Mark's case. His

693
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:02.280
<v Speaker 2>diagnosis for the two men was the same paranoid schizophrenium,

694
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:05.519
<v Speaker 2>yet he seems not to have used hypnosis in either

695
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:08.199
<v Speaker 2>of the two interviews with Mark, although he hypnotized Sir

696
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:11.639
<v Speaker 2>Han on six of his eight visits to great effect.

697
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:14.880
<v Speaker 2>For instance, when mister doctor Diamond asked Sir Hand where

698
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:18.039
<v Speaker 2>he had concealed the gun while waiting for Kennedy, Sir Hand,

699
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:20.800
<v Speaker 2>in his trance, went for the inside of his belt

700
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:23.000
<v Speaker 2>on the left side, and the police at last knew

701
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:26.159
<v Speaker 2>where he carried the weapon, so he responded to like

702
00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:30.559
<v Speaker 2>hypnotic conditioning. But one of these striving languages that's reflected

703
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:32.800
<v Speaker 2>in the book, is reflected in this book and in

704
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:37.119
<v Speaker 2>Sir Han's actions, which is in fact, his notebooks were

705
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:39.880
<v Speaker 2>full of strange writings, often with words repeated three times

706
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:44.360
<v Speaker 2>or more. Right, and so it's so strange because in

707
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Capturing the Rye, Holden Callfield says I will, I will,

708
00:40:48.039 --> 00:40:51.079
<v Speaker 2>I will, So he's repeating stuff. Sir Hann said that

709
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:53.000
<v Speaker 2>he did not remember writing in the notebooks, but he

710
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:55.519
<v Speaker 2>agreed that he must have done so. At one point,

711
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:57.639
<v Speaker 2>doctor Diamond showed him a photocopy of one of the

712
00:40:57.679 --> 00:40:59.920
<v Speaker 2>bizarre entries and questioned him about it while he was

713
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:04.920
<v Speaker 2>still any epnotic trance. Is this crazy writing? Diamond asked, yes, yes, yes,

714
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Sir Hann wrote, are you crazy? No? No, well, why

715
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:12.119
<v Speaker 2>are you writing crazy? Practice? Practice? Practice practice for what?

716
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Mind control? Mind control? Mind control? Was the ritz in reply,

717
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:19.320
<v Speaker 2>and R. F. K.

718
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:23.400
<v Speaker 6>Junior was kind of pushing for a pardon.

719
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, I think certain parts of the family, of

720
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.039
<v Speaker 2>the Kennedy family believe that Sir Ann's innocent. I think

721
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:32.360
<v Speaker 2>they're correct. Yeah. You can go to page nineteen of

722
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Capturing the Rye and hear them say you will, you will,

723
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:37.960
<v Speaker 2>you will, so you see the same kind of reflection.

724
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Go to page nineteen. I think it's in there. Let

725
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:51.159
<v Speaker 2>me see if I can find my copy.

726
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:00.880
<v Speaker 6>Is it.

727
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:06.199
<v Speaker 2>Chapter No, I don't think so it's Let me see

728
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:06.800
<v Speaker 2>if I can find it.

729
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:14.880
<v Speaker 5>Wasn't the RFK stuff supposed to come out with all

730
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:16.719
<v Speaker 5>that Trump sign in business?

731
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:20.000
<v Speaker 4>Well, that's what they were saying initially. So far it's

732
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:23.800
<v Speaker 4>just been a half assed Epstein dump. And that's what

733
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:27.960
<v Speaker 4>I figured was, like, how many thousands of pages?

734
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a.

735
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:36.480
<v Speaker 5>Lot of If they released it and it said Catcher

736
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:39.320
<v Speaker 5>in the Ride, yeah it would.

737
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:42.119
<v Speaker 6>Nothing would surprise me at this point.

738
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:46.840
<v Speaker 2>No, here it is here. This is from I don't

739
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:49.480
<v Speaker 2>know what page this is. It's Verre at the beginning

740
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:51.639
<v Speaker 2>of the book. Let me see what chapter it is.

741
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:56.119
<v Speaker 2>This is where you talk about Egyptian chapter. It's chapter two.

742
00:42:56.920 --> 00:43:02.960
<v Speaker 2>It's after he talks to he's talking to old Spencer. Oh,

743
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:05.199
<v Speaker 2>I feel some concern for my future? All right, sure,

744
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:07.280
<v Speaker 2>sure I do. I thought about it for a minute,

745
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:09.639
<v Speaker 2>but not too much. I guess, not too much, I guess,

746
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:13.199
<v Speaker 2>he says. And then Spencer says, you will. Old Spencer said,

747
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:17.679
<v Speaker 2>you will, boy, you will. When it's too late. I

748
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:19.719
<v Speaker 2>didn't like him hearing say that. It made me sound

749
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.519
<v Speaker 2>dead or something. It was very depressing. I guess I will.

750
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:26.760
<v Speaker 2>So he like receives this repetitive message. And in my

751
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:32.639
<v Speaker 2>book it's chapter two, right before chapter three, so it's

752
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:34.119
<v Speaker 2>right at the end of chapter two. See if you

753
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:37.719
<v Speaker 2>can find it. He's talking to Spencer. Yeah, I got it.

754
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:40.159
<v Speaker 3>You will.

755
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:43.000
<v Speaker 6>Old Spencer said you will, boy, you will. When it's

756
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.679
<v Speaker 6>too late, you will, you will?

757
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:50.880
<v Speaker 2>You will yeah wow uh and then he responds back,

758
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:54.159
<v Speaker 2>So he's taking this call. And then he responds it back. Oh,

759
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:58.639
<v Speaker 2>I guess I will crazy. So that's right at the

760
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:02.719
<v Speaker 2>beginning too. So being exposed to these kind of repetitive phrases.

761
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:05.639
<v Speaker 6>And what character was this Spencer guy was this?

762
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:08.199
<v Speaker 2>I think he was his headmaster. I think he was

763
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:15.320
<v Speaker 2>his headmaster at PENCI. The second most popular misconception about

764
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Mark relates to J. D. Salader's famous and novel The Catcher.

765
00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:21.440
<v Speaker 2>In the Rye the Theories, he always identified himself with

766
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:24.639
<v Speaker 2>holding Callfield the book's phony hating sixteen year old hero

767
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:27.920
<v Speaker 2>ever since he first read Catcher. And then he says,

768
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:36.039
<v Speaker 2>I think he says it's not true. Um, he says

769
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:39.519
<v Speaker 2>after all, the book is named May's New York policeman

770
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:42.360
<v Speaker 2>found him quietly reading outside the Dakota when you throw

771
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:44.840
<v Speaker 2>down his gun immediately after killing Lenin, with the inscription

772
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:47.360
<v Speaker 2>inside the cover written by Mark, which I have in

773
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:51.800
<v Speaker 2>the I have the actual handwriting of Chapman to holding

774
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Callfield from holding Calfield. This is my statement. In his

775
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:57.599
<v Speaker 2>prison cell awaiting trial, he maintained the reason I killed

776
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:00.920
<v Speaker 2>John Lennon was to gain prominence to promote the reading

777
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:03.599
<v Speaker 2>of J. D. Salager's The Catcher and the Rye. I'm

778
00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:06.559
<v Speaker 2>not saying I'm a messiah or anything like that. If

779
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:08.440
<v Speaker 2>you read the book, and if you understand my past,

780
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:11.280
<v Speaker 2>you will see that I am indeed the Catcher in

781
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:15.119
<v Speaker 2>the Rye of this generation. So he's not he doesn't

782
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:17.880
<v Speaker 2>identify he is the Catcher in the Rye. He is

783
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:21.760
<v Speaker 2>holding Callfield. So this fictional book has captured his mind.

784
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:26.039
<v Speaker 2>Like it's incredible when you think about it, if you

785
00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:29.320
<v Speaker 2>think about how dark Callfield is and what he represents

786
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:35.760
<v Speaker 2>in this whole experience that he's having, and then goes

787
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:37.440
<v Speaker 2>on this is a book that he just picked up

788
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:40.119
<v Speaker 2>recently before, letting people say that he was always obsessed

789
00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:42.639
<v Speaker 2>with catchering the Rye, And according to Fenton Bressler, that

790
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:45.960
<v Speaker 2>is not true. It was clearly a difficult time for

791
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:48.760
<v Speaker 2>him this page one thirty nine. It's clearly a difficult

792
00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:50.760
<v Speaker 2>time for him. And now an ominous new factor came

793
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:53.039
<v Speaker 2>into his life. He became interested in The Catcher and

794
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:55.639
<v Speaker 2>the Rye. We do not know why. We do not

795
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:58.159
<v Speaker 2>know if anyone suggested it to him. If so, who

796
00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:00.960
<v Speaker 2>catchures a book that most people read once in their life,

797
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:03.760
<v Speaker 2>in their teens, And now that's it, and that's it.

798
00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Why on earth, seemingly out of the blue, did Mark

799
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:08.920
<v Speaker 2>suddenly get so involved in a book that, like most

800
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:11.320
<v Speaker 2>of his generation of young Americans, he had already read

801
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:18.320
<v Speaker 2>before at school nearly ten years earlier. So that's like one.

802
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:21.119
<v Speaker 2>Here's another one.

803
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:22.039
<v Speaker 4>Let's see.

804
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:26.599
<v Speaker 2>The imbalance of the psychological makeup of immature sixteen year

805
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:30.119
<v Speaker 2>old hold and callfield exactly suited the temperament of the bewildered,

806
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:33.320
<v Speaker 2>unhappy twenty five year old Mark Chapman. Nowhere is this

807
00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:36.920
<v Speaker 2>better exemplified than his beloved young visiting his beloved younger

808
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:40.599
<v Speaker 2>sister Phoebe school in an abortive attempt to talk to her,

809
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:43.079
<v Speaker 2>seize the words f you written on the wall. This

810
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:46.519
<v Speaker 2>is how violent the book is. Quote. It drove me

811
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:49.440
<v Speaker 2>damn near crazy. I thought how Phoebe and all the

812
00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:51.960
<v Speaker 2>other little kids would see it, and how they wonder

813
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.320
<v Speaker 2>what the hell it meant, and then finally some dirty

814
00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:57.159
<v Speaker 2>kid would tell them. I kept wanting to kill who'd

815
00:46:57.199 --> 00:46:59.960
<v Speaker 2>ever written it. I figured it was some perverty bomb

816
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.320
<v Speaker 2>that sneaked in the school late at night and then

817
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:04.519
<v Speaker 2>wrote it on the wall. So this is his trigger

818
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:08.559
<v Speaker 2>word as his F you. I kept picturing myself catching him,

819
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:12.159
<v Speaker 2>So there's the catch theme overlapping. I pictured myself catching

820
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:14.559
<v Speaker 2>him at it, and how I'd smash his head on

821
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:17.760
<v Speaker 2>the stone steps till he was good and goddamn dead

822
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:21.360
<v Speaker 2>and bloody. But knew I knew too that I didn't

823
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:24.039
<v Speaker 2>have the guts to do it. That made me more depressed.

824
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:27.039
<v Speaker 2>He's always getting more depressed. He only gets happy, I

825
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:30.159
<v Speaker 2>think when he sees Phoebe. But it just shows like

826
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:33.199
<v Speaker 2>this is violent language. This is aggressive language, Like if

827
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:36.039
<v Speaker 2>you stated that in a public place or at school

828
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:38.280
<v Speaker 2>or your job, people would like write you up like.

829
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:43.519
<v Speaker 5>It's intense smashing somebody's bloody head, yeah, till.

830
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:51.119
<v Speaker 2>They're goddamn dead right. Mark was clearly going through torment.

831
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:53.119
<v Speaker 2>He told his perplexed wife that he was thinking of

832
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:55.760
<v Speaker 2>changing his name to Holden Callfield. So he's changing his name.

833
00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:58.480
<v Speaker 2>On September tenth, he actually wrote to a school teacher

834
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:00.920
<v Speaker 2>friend named Linda Irish, who had move from Honolulu to

835
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:04.079
<v Speaker 2>New Mexico, quote, I'm going nuts unquote. He drew a

836
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:06.920
<v Speaker 2>picture of Diamond Head Mountain with the sun winding stars

837
00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:08.920
<v Speaker 2>above it and signed the letter the Catcher in the

838
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:13.079
<v Speaker 2>Rye Mark, So he's like twisting into the Catcher in

839
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:17.760
<v Speaker 2>the Rye. And this is on the day of the murder.

840
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:20.159
<v Speaker 2>As he walked the twenty blocks up to the Dakota

841
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:23.280
<v Speaker 2>on West seventy second Street, incongruous amid the lightly dressed

842
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:26.559
<v Speaker 2>New Yorkers with his heavy winter year, he realized he

843
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:29.000
<v Speaker 2>was missing a prop. He had with him, his Double

844
00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:32.239
<v Speaker 2>Fantasy album, but something was missing. He altered his progress

845
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:35.519
<v Speaker 2>toward lenin selected place of execution and dived into a

846
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:38.559
<v Speaker 2>bookshop to emerge with a red paperback copy of The

847
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:41.119
<v Speaker 2>Catcher and the Rye. On the title page, he wrote

848
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:44.800
<v Speaker 2>to Holding call Field from Holding call Field and below

849
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:47.880
<v Speaker 2>that this is my statement. So on the day of

850
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:52.760
<v Speaker 2>the killing. He actually goes there. It just goes on.

851
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:57.480
<v Speaker 2>It's just like the bookstore. Then he gets arrested, right,

852
00:48:57.559 --> 00:48:59.639
<v Speaker 2>so I think the murder tick takes place, or the

853
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:03.440
<v Speaker 2>death Lennon's December eighth, nineteen eighty. On February first, he

854
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:07.840
<v Speaker 2>decides to write a missive to The New York Times,

855
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:12.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, the paper of record. So on Sunday, February first,

856
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Mark sat down and wrote to The New York Times

857
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:16.800
<v Speaker 2>in Ballpoint capital as a statement, which the newspaper printed

858
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:20.559
<v Speaker 2>eight days later. Seldom could a booked that first appeared

859
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:23.400
<v Speaker 2>in paperbacks seventeen years earlier have had such a glowing

860
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:26.519
<v Speaker 2>sales boost. So he's like facilitating the sale of this

861
00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:30.400
<v Speaker 2>dark book. Quote. This is from Chavin. It is my

862
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:33.119
<v Speaker 2>sincere belief that presenting this written statement will not only

863
00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:35.440
<v Speaker 2>stimulate the reading of J. D. Salinger's The Catcher in

864
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:37.920
<v Speaker 2>the Rye, but will also help many to understand what

865
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:40.480
<v Speaker 2>has happened. If you are able to view the actual

866
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:43.280
<v Speaker 2>copy of The Catcher in the Rye that was taken

867
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:45.119
<v Speaker 2>from me on the night of December eighth, you would

868
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:47.719
<v Speaker 2>find in it the handwritten words this is my statement.

869
00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:51.079
<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately I was unable to continue this stance and have

870
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:54.119
<v Speaker 2>since spoken openly with the police, doctors and others involved.

871
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:58.039
<v Speaker 2>He had like six doctors, including that guy Diamond who

872
00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:01.079
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned earlier, others involved in this case. I now

873
00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:03.440
<v Speaker 2>fully realized that this should not have been done for

874
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:06.119
<v Speaker 2>remove the emphasis I wanted to place on the book.

875
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:08.480
<v Speaker 2>My wish is for all of you to someday read

876
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:10.719
<v Speaker 2>The Catcher in the Rye. All my efforts will now

877
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:14.159
<v Speaker 2>be devoted toward this goal. For this extraordinary book holds

878
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:16.920
<v Speaker 2>many answers. My true hope is that in wanting to

879
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:19.559
<v Speaker 2>find these answers, you will read The Catcher in the Rye.

880
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:21.159
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Mark, David Chapman.

881
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:27.840
<v Speaker 5>The Catcher in the Rye, well, he's not wrong. I

882
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:33.039
<v Speaker 5>mean people did sensationalize it after that, but it had

883
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:35.039
<v Speaker 5>help along the way. I mean, it was in the

884
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:38.760
<v Speaker 5>shining and there's a bunch of weirdo celebrity people who

885
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:42.119
<v Speaker 5>talk about it all the time. But he really did

886
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:43.280
<v Speaker 5>make it infamous.

887
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:47.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, including Lenona Ryder. Who else did the other celebrities

888
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:47.440
<v Speaker 2>that you know.

889
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:52.880
<v Speaker 5>Of, Jennifer Lawrence, James Franco I didn't know that. Yeah,

890
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:57.519
<v Speaker 5>they both say that it changed their lives literally.

891
00:50:57.519 --> 00:50:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Didn't no one.

892
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.559
<v Speaker 6>JH. W. Bush loves it. Bill Gates loves it.

893
00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:06.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have like the slides for those guys.

894
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you should look at what James Franco said. He's

895
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:11.280
<v Speaker 5>a real freaking weirdo.

896
00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:14.280
<v Speaker 2>That is weird. But Wenona Ryder said she's read the

897
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:15.400
<v Speaker 2>book twelve hundred times.

898
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:19.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well she's also a girl interrupted, so maybe that

899
00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:21.199
<v Speaker 5>just an extension of her.

900
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I think I have a slide. I haven't seen

901
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:24.280
<v Speaker 2>that movie. I gotta see it.

902
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:24.880
<v Speaker 6>We should.

903
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:27.519
<v Speaker 5>It's so good, so good.

904
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:30.000
<v Speaker 4>We should keep our eye on mine own and and anybody.

905
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:31.920
<v Speaker 4>She's in close proximity too.

906
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:35.000
<v Speaker 5>She was in that movie with Britney Murphy.

907
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:37.280
<v Speaker 6>Twelve hundred times. That's that's crazy.

908
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:44.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, her admission not mine, that's crazy. This is just like, yeah,

909
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:46.039
<v Speaker 2>it just goes on and on. He shows up in

910
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:48.320
<v Speaker 2>court on Monday. This is like court. So he goes

911
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:51.800
<v Speaker 2>to court on August, like eight months after the murder.

912
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:55.199
<v Speaker 2>On Monday twenty fourth, nineteen eighty one, Mark David Chapman

913
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:58.079
<v Speaker 2>his hair close crop from the incident when, with Greg

914
00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Krimin's help, he had totally shaved his head ed walked

915
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:04.360
<v Speaker 2>into justice Edwards Court under his usually heavily armed guard.

916
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:06.679
<v Speaker 2>He carried with him a copy of The Catcher in

917
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:09.679
<v Speaker 2>the Rye, so he's carrying it into court and then

918
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:14.039
<v Speaker 2>he quotes from it. I mean, it's just like crazy.

919
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.440
<v Speaker 2>What about Mark himself? He had spent several hours listening

920
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:19.119
<v Speaker 2>to other people talking about him. What did he have

921
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:21.599
<v Speaker 2>to say in his own defense? Asking if he had

922
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:24.079
<v Speaker 2>anything to say in court? Before the sentence was pronounced,

923
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Mark opened his copy of The Catcher in the Rye

924
00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:30.079
<v Speaker 2>and read an extract to the hushed part forty nine.

925
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:32.599
<v Speaker 2>He had worked it out carefully. If you want to

926
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:34.760
<v Speaker 2>check for yourself, can be found on page one seventy

927
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.960
<v Speaker 2>three of the Bantam paperback, the same edition that Mark

928
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:40.400
<v Speaker 2>n Court. See if it's in one page one seventy three,

929
00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Holden Callfield is talking to his young sister Phoebe the

930
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:46.280
<v Speaker 2>only person in the world whom he really loves, about

931
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:48.079
<v Speaker 2>what he wants to be when he grows up. She

932
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:50.679
<v Speaker 2>suggests a lawyer like their father, but Holding dismissed his

933
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:53.039
<v Speaker 2>lawyers as phonies. What he wants to be is a

934
00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Catcher in the Rye, and he explains what he means

935
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:57.679
<v Speaker 2>in this passage cited by Mark David Chapman on his

936
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:01.599
<v Speaker 2>day of judgment. Anyway, keep quote anyway. I keep picturing

937
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:03.800
<v Speaker 2>these little kids playing some game in the big field

938
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:06.840
<v Speaker 2>of rye and all thousands of little kids, and nobody

939
00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:10.119
<v Speaker 2>is around, nobody big, I mean, except me, And I'm

940
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:12.639
<v Speaker 2>standing on the edge of some craggy cliff. What have

941
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:15.000
<v Speaker 2>I to do? I have to catch everybody if they

942
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:17.559
<v Speaker 2>start going over the cliff. I mean, they are running

943
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:19.760
<v Speaker 2>and they don't look where they are going. I have

944
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:22.159
<v Speaker 2>to come out from somewhere and catch them. That's all

945
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I do all day. I just be the catcher in

946
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:27.119
<v Speaker 2>the literally quotes up, am I stupid?

947
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:29.480
<v Speaker 5>Or did you already explain this? But what the what

948
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:31.719
<v Speaker 5>is the rye? What is rye?

949
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:35.199
<v Speaker 2>Rye is like a wheat, like it's a grain, rye

950
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:36.119
<v Speaker 2>bread and things like that.

951
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:43.639
<v Speaker 6>So it's like a field or what, yeah, field, I

952
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:43.960
<v Speaker 6>don't know.

953
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:46.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean like a field of grain, like a field

954
00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:49.960
<v Speaker 2>of wheat. It's like a variant. That's why you go

955
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:52.840
<v Speaker 2>get rye bread. It's a different type of like Colonel.

956
00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:56.880
<v Speaker 5>So he wants to be the catcher in the wheat field.

957
00:53:57.559 --> 00:54:01.039
<v Speaker 2>Correct, So that's like a tie into his name, right,

958
00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:05.800
<v Speaker 2>call field, catcher in the Rye the field. So he's

959
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:08.679
<v Speaker 2>like tied to this these symbols and stuff, and you'll

960
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:12.280
<v Speaker 2>see how we can get kind of deeper into all

961
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:17.280
<v Speaker 2>this stuff. But like there are strange hypnotic things that

962
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:21.039
<v Speaker 2>they do where they confuse people and they have overlapping

963
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:28.679
<v Speaker 2>like symbols that that kind of you know, field like

964
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:30.960
<v Speaker 2>field and names and things like that. They're repetitive, but

965
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:33.440
<v Speaker 2>they kind of cause a kind of a confusion in

966
00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:35.679
<v Speaker 2>the mind because there's different things. So I think that

967
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:38.840
<v Speaker 2>that's part of this kind of overlapping, meaning the catcher

968
00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:40.880
<v Speaker 2>and the Rye and all them call field and some that.

969
00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:45.559
<v Speaker 2>But you can see that in like other people's like

970
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:48.400
<v Speaker 2>actually you see it in The Man Cheering Candidate a

971
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:54.639
<v Speaker 2>lot a movie, which that's all another show anyway. So

972
00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:57.599
<v Speaker 2>a switching book, So I go from Fenton barzel Bressler

973
00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:02.440
<v Speaker 2>to raw Hide down. Rawhide was Reagan's code name, right,

974
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:06.480
<v Speaker 2>his secret service code name. And you see this weird travel.

975
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:12.000
<v Speaker 2>So Chapman comes from a Wahoo to kill Lenin. This

976
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:15.639
<v Speaker 2>guy's traveling across the United States by bus. Hinklea is

977
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:18.800
<v Speaker 2>four day trip was a blur of fast, fluid and

978
00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:24.239
<v Speaker 2>brief stops Las Vegas, Cheyenne, Chicago, Cleveland, Pittsburgh. Traveling through Utah,

979
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:26.199
<v Speaker 2>he woke from a brief nap to find the bus

980
00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:29.239
<v Speaker 2>hurtling through a massive snowstorm. He spent much of the

981
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:32.159
<v Speaker 2>trip to slouch in a window seat, watching the scenery

982
00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:35.199
<v Speaker 2>stream by or reading The Catcher in the Rye. J. D.

983
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:39.039
<v Speaker 2>Salinger's novel of teenage anks an alienation. He identified with

984
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:41.960
<v Speaker 2>the story's main character, hold In Caulfield, but the book

985
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:43.800
<v Speaker 2>was also special to him because he knew that John

986
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:46.679
<v Speaker 2>Lennon's assassin had pulled it from his pocket and leafed

987
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:49.559
<v Speaker 2>through it moments after gunning down the rock and Roll

988
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:51.599
<v Speaker 2>Icon Lenin, who had been killed three and a half

989
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:55.519
<v Speaker 2>months earlier, was Hinkley's favorite musician. Even so, he sometimes

990
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:58.400
<v Speaker 2>felt that he identified more with Lenin's killer than with

991
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Lennon himself. Wow, and it's also strange too, because they

992
00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:08.719
<v Speaker 2>mentioned something here. These are all kind of weird things

993
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:11.400
<v Speaker 2>that tie into Catching the Rye. The suitcase held some

994
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:14.199
<v Speaker 2>of his poems and short stories, whereas several several of

995
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:17.039
<v Speaker 2>his favorite books. In addition to Catching the Rye, Hinckley

996
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:20.880
<v Speaker 2>had also brought along a copy of Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet,

997
00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:23.760
<v Speaker 2>the only Shakespeare mentioned in Catcher in the Rye. And

998
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:26.840
<v Speaker 2>then a book called Strawberry Fields wherever John Lennon remembered,

999
00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:30.079
<v Speaker 2>But Strawberry Fields forever. If you watch listen to that,

1000
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:33.559
<v Speaker 2>it has the same language in it as Catchering the Rye.

1001
00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:37.400
<v Speaker 2>I think I can like dissociate of language. It's really intense.

1002
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:41.599
<v Speaker 2>It's a very dark, actually, and it kind of ties

1003
00:56:41.679 --> 00:56:45.559
<v Speaker 2>in because after Lending got shot, they opened up like

1004
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:49.519
<v Speaker 2>a part of Central Park and called it strawberry Fields. Right,

1005
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:51.880
<v Speaker 2>but listen to lyrics of strawberry Fields. It's wild.

1006
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:55.719
<v Speaker 6>Didn't you also have some a book about Ted Bundy?

1007
00:56:56.199 --> 00:56:59.639
<v Speaker 5>Just said, go back up to that page right there,

1008
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:04.599
<v Speaker 5>Hinkley something evident in some items he carried with him

1009
00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:07.880
<v Speaker 5>to Washington. Another of the books in the plaid suitcase

1010
00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:13.000
<v Speaker 5>was Ted Bundy. They kill her next door? Wow, crazy, dude,

1011
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:18.000
<v Speaker 5>that's crazy. That's like Dave McGowan's stuff right there. That's

1012
00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:22.039
<v Speaker 5>like the program to kill stuff. And you know what

1013
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:24.320
<v Speaker 5>else if it's I don't know if you have another

1014
00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:28.280
<v Speaker 5>slide on it. But didn't they say like the automatic

1015
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:31.840
<v Speaker 5>writing in the shining, like all play.

1016
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:34.880
<v Speaker 2>And all work and makes Jack a doll boy.

1017
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:37.920
<v Speaker 5>Pack adull boy like he was doing that automated riding thing,

1018
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:40.119
<v Speaker 5>and she's like reading they Catcher in the Ride at

1019
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:42.519
<v Speaker 5>the beginning of the movie and stuff, and it's like

1020
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:46.400
<v Speaker 5>it made yeah, psychic driving stuff.

1021
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:51.280
<v Speaker 2>It's weird because the timing of the Shining that came

1022
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:54.039
<v Speaker 2>out before the assassinations is my understanding.

1023
00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:58.119
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it did. Yeah, And that was something that writer

1024
00:57:58.280 --> 00:57:59.760
<v Speaker 6>Lee and I talked about, how.

1025
00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:04.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, you always presaged it.

1026
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:05.960
<v Speaker 6>Crumbs.

1027
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:11.920
<v Speaker 5>I like that he's because he's got everything in it well.

1028
00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:15.119
<v Speaker 4>And then there's the Jack Jack Nicholson and Ted Bundy

1029
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:17.440
<v Speaker 4>connection with with the yellow bug.

1030
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:20.360
<v Speaker 6>They changed it from red to yellow intentionally.

1031
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:21.639
<v Speaker 2>Really, I didn't know that it was.

1032
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:24.719
<v Speaker 6>It was red and the Stephen King book was read wow.

1033
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:29.039
<v Speaker 4>And there's even a scene where you can see there's

1034
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:34.800
<v Speaker 4>a red bug in like a vehicle. Smasher's almost like, uh,

1035
00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:39.440
<v Speaker 4>Kubrick saying, you know, a little f you to King,

1036
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:43.719
<v Speaker 4>and but then he puts the yellow bug in there.

1037
00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:51.039
<v Speaker 5>With apparently some knowledge of it. He's over here reading

1038
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:53.840
<v Speaker 5>John Lyn and stuff and Ted Bundy books.

1039
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Incredible, incredible stuff. Man. I think King didn't like the

1040
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Shining too, you know, like he yeah, he had I

1041
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:04.440
<v Speaker 2>think it's a great movie, but he probably was jealous

1042
00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:07.880
<v Speaker 2>of it or whatever. It didn't I don't think Kobrick

1043
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:10.280
<v Speaker 2>held fast to any of the books that he optioned,

1044
00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:11.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, he didn't follow them.

1045
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:12.320
<v Speaker 6>Yep.

1046
00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:14.440
<v Speaker 5>But it would be one thing if if he like

1047
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:17.320
<v Speaker 5>didn't hold fast the books and made crappy movies. But

1048
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:20.800
<v Speaker 5>he didn't hold faster the books. It made amazing movies.

1049
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:22.719
<v Speaker 5>So it's like he can't be mad at him.

1050
00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:27.599
<v Speaker 2>Whoever did his set designing and his cultural stuff. I

1051
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:32.079
<v Speaker 2>don't whatever he was responsible for or what he ultimately

1052
00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:35.159
<v Speaker 2>made the final decisions, but the amount of research that

1053
00:59:35.280 --> 00:59:38.360
<v Speaker 2>went into those films is like like a real like

1054
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:41.360
<v Speaker 2>somebody who does research a lot. They have to tip

1055
00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:43.960
<v Speaker 2>their hat to it. Because his frame of reference is

1056
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:47.679
<v Speaker 2>off the extraordinary. He had to have known people wouldn't.

1057
00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:50.199
<v Speaker 2>He had to have anticipated that people wouldn't get it

1058
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:53.000
<v Speaker 2>at a first watch, and at sometime in the future

1059
00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:55.239
<v Speaker 2>they look through it and go, oh, I see what

1060
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:57.400
<v Speaker 2>he was trying to say. Originally I couldn't see it

1061
00:59:57.679 --> 00:59:59.480
<v Speaker 2>when I was in a theater because why don't you

1062
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:04.599
<v Speaker 2>take part like Guy's white shut or somebody these other ones,

1063
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.719
<v Speaker 2>it's just off the charts, or even like Clockwork Orange,

1064
01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:11.280
<v Speaker 2>which we'll get to. Actually the Clockwork Orange pops up,

1065
01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:14.840
<v Speaker 2>so you can't get away from Kubrick. But anyway, you

1066
01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:17.599
<v Speaker 2>guys mentioned Bush, This is Bush. He listens like you

1067
01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:21.320
<v Speaker 2>can see this online now. Nineteen ninety five, there was

1068
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:24.079
<v Speaker 2>a marvelous book by Salinger called Catcher in the Rise.

1069
01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:26.559
<v Speaker 2>And this guy's intel all the way from.

1070
01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:29.719
<v Speaker 5>World War two, like he's just he was inspired by Lincoln.

1071
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:35.199
<v Speaker 2>No, sorry, this is an interview he did Williams, Virginia.

1072
01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:37.519
<v Speaker 2>But if you go back, there's a question somebody asked him,

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01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:39.960
<v Speaker 2>was there a book that inspired you? And there's this

1074
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:43.199
<v Speaker 2>sentence down there that says, there was a marvelous book

1075
01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:44.639
<v Speaker 2>by Salinger called Catcher.

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01:00:44.440 --> 01:00:44.800
<v Speaker 4>On the Ruck.

1077
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:48.000
<v Speaker 5>Okay, who would.

1078
01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Have benefited if Reagan died? Yeah? The VP, the VP

1079
01:00:56.360 --> 01:01:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Georgie would have I mean her, you know, facilitated or

1080
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:06.719
<v Speaker 2>hurtled himself into power. This is another one, another monster

1081
01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:10.000
<v Speaker 2>literal Bill Gates. You may notice that there aren't many

1082
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:13.360
<v Speaker 2>novels in this my list this year. It's not that

1083
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:15.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't enjoy fiction. I've read The Catcher in the

1084
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:17.719
<v Speaker 2>Rye a bunch of times. It's one of my favorite

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01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:18.639
<v Speaker 2>books that ever I've sued.

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01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:21.280
<v Speaker 6>Is Yeah, but have you read it twelve hundred times?

1087
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Like why no, no, Bill, oh no, no, I don't

1088
01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:26.079
<v Speaker 2>even want to read it again, Like I'm afraid of

1089
01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:30.119
<v Speaker 2>it anyway. Ro Ryan Ruth, He's literally this guy is

1090
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:36.440
<v Speaker 2>the guy the second Trump assassin is. He was in

1091
01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:38.760
<v Speaker 2>a place in a Wahoo that was literally a mile

1092
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:41.800
<v Speaker 2>from where Chapman worked in the mental mental hospital.

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01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:46.960
<v Speaker 5>This guy has the right pardon this guy likes Ketcher

1094
01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:47.440
<v Speaker 5>in the Rye.

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01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:52.920
<v Speaker 2>No, but it's just his His locale is like MANNGEONI, Ruth,

1096
01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:57.119
<v Speaker 2>and Chapman are all on a Wahoo and they all travel.

1097
01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:01.920
<v Speaker 2>They all travel. They travel east, right, So Mangioni ends

1098
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:05.400
<v Speaker 2>up in Central Park or off Central Park, Chapman ends

1099
01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:08.000
<v Speaker 2>up in Central Park, and Ruth ends up supposedly at

1100
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:11.320
<v Speaker 2>mar A Lago in Florida. After traveling the world, he's

1101
01:02:11.719 --> 01:02:14.800
<v Speaker 2>he's pictured in Ukraine. He's all over the place. And

1102
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:19.119
<v Speaker 2>also somebody tracked his cell phone and he's in Fort Bragg,

1103
01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:23.599
<v Speaker 2>like twenty five times much Mike Leebelsberger and these other people, what.

1104
01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:25.119
<v Speaker 6>The awahu thing?

1105
01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:25.760
<v Speaker 2>You know?

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01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:28.719
<v Speaker 4>Just gets me ticking because you think about all the

1107
01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:31.119
<v Speaker 4>military intelligence on that island.

1108
01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Huge place for harbor, all that stuff. What you find

1109
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:37.400
<v Speaker 2>like when you like study as much as I have

1110
01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:41.239
<v Speaker 2>love these military bases, they have subsets and some things

1111
01:02:41.320 --> 01:02:45.880
<v Speaker 2>going on, and hospitals and treatment facilities and all kinds

1112
01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:49.440
<v Speaker 2>of stuff going on. So they're not just like pure

1113
01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:52.599
<v Speaker 2>military like you see guys and fatigues who are soldiers.

1114
01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:56.400
<v Speaker 2>They have all kinds of things going on happening in

1115
01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:59.599
<v Speaker 2>all kinds of these military bases. They're not and they're

1116
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:02.119
<v Speaker 2>not all above board. Fort Bragg is a story in

1117
01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:04.760
<v Speaker 2>itself because there's a lot. I mean, so many people

1118
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:07.920
<v Speaker 2>die there and go crazy and all kinds of stuff.

1119
01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:14.920
<v Speaker 2>This guy was in a a black rock video with Ruth,

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01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:17.719
<v Speaker 2>so they're in a black rock video together. I don't

1121
01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:20.920
<v Speaker 2>know if you guys have seen that, but here's another

1122
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:22.519
<v Speaker 2>reference to I was.

1123
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:25.719
<v Speaker 4>Hoping you would mention The Good Girl because it kept

1124
01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:28.440
<v Speaker 4>coming into my mind when you made your other presentations.

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01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:29.760
<v Speaker 6>Have you seen this movie?

1126
01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:31.360
<v Speaker 2>No? Yeah?

1127
01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:34.920
<v Speaker 4>The Jake Jillenhall character as a writer. She has an

1128
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:39.719
<v Speaker 4>affair with him Jennifer Aniston, and he's obsessed with Catcher

1129
01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:42.840
<v Speaker 4>in the Rye and he ends up taking his own life.

1130
01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:46.039
<v Speaker 6>Oh, in a hotel room at the end of the movie.

1131
01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:50.840
<v Speaker 6>Spoiler alert, this.

1132
01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:54.119
<v Speaker 2>Is this is an interesting movie. Jared Leedo plays Chapman,

1133
01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:58.400
<v Speaker 2>looks like Chapman. The dialogues all from the book and

1134
01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:01.800
<v Speaker 2>from Chapman's life, and it's chapter twenty seven. There's twenty

1135
01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:04.840
<v Speaker 2>six chapters in Caturing the Rye, right, so this is

1136
01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:08.440
<v Speaker 2>chapter twenty seven. I've watched. It's pretty interesting. I've got clips. Well,

1137
01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:10.519
<v Speaker 2>you can watch it on YouTube. One of the interesting

1138
01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:13.440
<v Speaker 2>things is Chapman had almost kind of like in his

1139
01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:18.039
<v Speaker 2>hotel rooms, almost like a ritual thing like laid out

1140
01:04:18.079 --> 01:04:19.880
<v Speaker 2>on his dressers, and one of them was the Wizard

1141
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:22.880
<v Speaker 2>of Oz, a known book they used to kind of

1142
01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:27.320
<v Speaker 2>like mind control people. I know, there's all kinds of references.

1143
01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:29.400
<v Speaker 2>It's worth the watch. But he's always carrying the book

1144
01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:31.800
<v Speaker 2>and acting strange. This is getting it.

1145
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:38.719
<v Speaker 5>Wait, there was a Wizard of Oz thing in Mark

1146
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:43.760
<v Speaker 5>David Chapman's room. Yes, that is so interesting to me

1147
01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:46.480
<v Speaker 5>because it's like you were saying about like like Crowley

1148
01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:47.519
<v Speaker 5>and the OZ thing.

1149
01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a it's a correspondence. Oz is in Jamatrius

1150
01:04:53.960 --> 01:04:56.760
<v Speaker 2>seventy seven and seventy seven is a huge number for Croley.

1151
01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:00.639
<v Speaker 2>Right nine eleven seventy flight seventy seven, I.

1152
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:03.719
<v Speaker 5>Covered a whole I did a whole episode on the

1153
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:07.239
<v Speaker 5>Wizard of Oz because there's so much like MK stuff

1154
01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:09.440
<v Speaker 5>in there. I think it was probably one of the

1155
01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:12.519
<v Speaker 5>original But if you think about that, it's like before

1156
01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:16.119
<v Speaker 5>catching the Rye, you had the Wizard of Oz, right,

1157
01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:18.000
<v Speaker 5>I think mccult themes.

1158
01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:24.639
<v Speaker 2>I think you're right. I think you're absolutely right. Also,

1159
01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:27.719
<v Speaker 2>like missing pieces of their personality too, right, so it

1160
01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:32.840
<v Speaker 2>goes into steeply into psychology, like there's archetypes and missing things,

1161
01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:40.119
<v Speaker 2>the red shoes and this association transfer, dissociation, alternate realms, right,

1162
01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:41.880
<v Speaker 2>so almost like they're in a dream state or a

1163
01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:44.559
<v Speaker 2>trance state, Like doesn't she wake up in her bed

1164
01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:46.760
<v Speaker 2>like and it was all a dream or something like that.

1165
01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:50.119
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well you know, William, I, you know

1166
01:05:50.239 --> 01:05:51.960
<v Speaker 5>this could be its own episode. But I just want

1167
01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:53.800
<v Speaker 5>to mention to you since we've already brought up the

1168
01:05:53.880 --> 01:05:57.079
<v Speaker 5>Shining a few times. I found so many Wizard of

1169
01:05:57.119 --> 01:06:02.599
<v Speaker 5>Oz references in the Shining, It's it's astronomical how many

1170
01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:05.519
<v Speaker 5>Wizard of Oz references are in the Shining. And then

1171
01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:07.880
<v Speaker 5>we're bringing The Catcher and the Rye into it too,

1172
01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:11.440
<v Speaker 5>and it's like that cannot be an accident that both

1173
01:06:11.559 --> 01:06:14.000
<v Speaker 5>of those books are referenced so much in that mode.

1174
01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:15.400
<v Speaker 2>No, no, I don't think so.

1175
01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:18.800
<v Speaker 5>I think that that dress that she's wearing that looks

1176
01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:22.880
<v Speaker 5>like Phoebe's dress, it also looks like Dorothy's dress because

1177
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:26.840
<v Speaker 5>it's got like the long sleeve under like the you know,

1178
01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:30.079
<v Speaker 5>weird jumper thing, just like what Dorothy had on. I

1179
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:35.960
<v Speaker 5>don't know, it's it's it's interesting the comparison between the two.

1180
01:06:37.719 --> 01:06:39.639
<v Speaker 2>The guy was a genius man. He was layering his

1181
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:42.679
<v Speaker 2>films with everything, like he was looking at it like

1182
01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:46.119
<v Speaker 2>a Renaissance artist, like I gotta get everything in this frame.

1183
01:06:46.840 --> 01:06:47.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1184
01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:50.320
<v Speaker 2>So and I mean the we know his meticulousness and

1185
01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:54.840
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff. So hold, you know, just like the

1186
01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:58.119
<v Speaker 2>names are interesting. The call, the call is the call

1187
01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:01.639
<v Speaker 2>was believed to bestow second sight, of ability to see

1188
01:07:01.639 --> 01:07:06.159
<v Speaker 2>into the future. So it's there's no question Holding Caulfield

1189
01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:09.960
<v Speaker 2>is important. This is ken Silva. JD. Cash lists he

1190
01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:12.119
<v Speaker 2>studied a lot of this Ruth guy and how strange

1191
01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:15.679
<v Speaker 2>he is. This is like a Chapman figure. I mean

1192
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:17.679
<v Speaker 2>it's really dark, like this is not long ago. I

1193
01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:20.400
<v Speaker 2>think he tried to kill Trump. And what June of

1194
01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:21.599
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four I forgot.

1195
01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:23.960
<v Speaker 6>No June was the first one. I think that that

1196
01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:26.599
<v Speaker 6>was Butler, Yeah, September.

1197
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:33.280
<v Speaker 2>Right, think right, this is interesting, Surge Sowthrope. This is Mangione.

1198
01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:36.480
<v Speaker 2>The NFPD cames and found the CEO of shooters backpack

1199
01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:40.280
<v Speaker 2>near the carousel in Central Park, exactly where the carousel

1200
01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:43.239
<v Speaker 2>catcha in the riot ends. He went into Central Park,

1201
01:07:43.880 --> 01:07:46.920
<v Speaker 2>so he traveled all the way from O Wahoo. Mangione

1202
01:07:47.719 --> 01:07:53.920
<v Speaker 2>traveled from O Wahoo for some strange reason, Uh kills

1203
01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:57.199
<v Speaker 2>this guy at seven am. Nobody knows really what I mean.

1204
01:07:57.239 --> 01:08:01.960
<v Speaker 2>He has it rational it's escapes into Central part missing

1205
01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:06.000
<v Speaker 2>right before his parents purported missing. Huge personality change. This

1206
01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:08.880
<v Speaker 2>guy was the top of his class, almost like Holden

1207
01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:12.679
<v Speaker 2>call Field out of prep school, right, and then he

1208
01:08:12.719 --> 01:08:15.280
<v Speaker 2>gets busted in Pennsylvania where the fake prep school is

1209
01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Like these sinks are really something else, Like you just

1210
01:08:18.039 --> 01:08:20.039
<v Speaker 2>kind of wonder somebody else writing this or what the

1211
01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:20.560
<v Speaker 2>heck's going on.

1212
01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:24.119
<v Speaker 4>It also makes me think of the Aurora shooting too,

1213
01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:27.960
<v Speaker 4>because he was very similar in his academics and then

1214
01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:30.720
<v Speaker 4>he did the thing that Chapman did. He just kind

1215
01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:33.079
<v Speaker 4>of sat down and waited for the police to get.

1216
01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:37.359
<v Speaker 5>There, because because it's like Manchurian candidate stuff. It's like

1217
01:08:37.439 --> 01:08:39.760
<v Speaker 5>you do your do and then you sit down and

1218
01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:40.279
<v Speaker 5>you wait for.

1219
01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:43.199
<v Speaker 2>The police to come get you because you're supposed to

1220
01:08:43.279 --> 01:08:45.600
<v Speaker 2>be Yeah, you're supposed to be the one that gets caught.

1221
01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:49.800
<v Speaker 2>These yeah, these are Patsy's. This is Patsy Creed. I

1222
01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:50.159
<v Speaker 2>don't think.

1223
01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:50.479
<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

1224
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:52.560
<v Speaker 2>I question how many of these people actually come into

1225
01:08:52.600 --> 01:08:56.199
<v Speaker 2>the crime. I think that BANNGEONI did seem.

1226
01:08:56.039 --> 01:08:56.279
<v Speaker 5>To do it.

1227
01:08:57.119 --> 01:09:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Travis Bickle, we mentioned him earlier as the inspiration to Hinckley.

1228
01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Who's the inspiration Arthur Bremer. We're gonna get to Bremer.

1229
01:09:04.720 --> 01:09:08.279
<v Speaker 2>Bremer attempted to assassinate about Alabama Governor George Walash in

1230
01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:11.079
<v Speaker 2>seventy two. He had a diary. We're gonna get to

1231
01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:14.319
<v Speaker 2>his diary because what does he do. Two weeks before

1232
01:09:14.840 --> 01:09:17.800
<v Speaker 2>he attempts to kill Bremer, He goes to a movie theater,

1233
01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:22.000
<v Speaker 2>walks and watches a clockwork orange and identifies with Alex

1234
01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:27.960
<v Speaker 2>de large stop it in his own diary crazy, which

1235
01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:29.880
<v Speaker 2>it's called the Assassin's Diary.

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01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:33.000
<v Speaker 6>You know that I learned that.

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<v Speaker 5>From William William you're killing me right here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, this is a crazy stuff. Yeah, So Schrader's

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01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:40.840
<v Speaker 2>influenced by him. And then this kind of writing style

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01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:43.840
<v Speaker 2>like to do it today our language is so intense

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01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:47.159
<v Speaker 2>and you know, but back then these were kind of

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01:09:47.319 --> 01:09:51.560
<v Speaker 2>like really scandalous stuff. Flitty give her the time, ne

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01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:55.800
<v Speaker 2>King Phony, Prince Rubber. Next knowing I found a reference

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<v Speaker 2>to the Cold War. This is the CAA in the

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01:09:57.520 --> 01:09:59.079
<v Speaker 2>Cold War. I was always trying to find some kind

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01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:04.199
<v Speaker 2>of intel. There's clearly intel, like Salinger's intel, like he's

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01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:08.600
<v Speaker 2>a military intelligence. But there is a like one section

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01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:11.520
<v Speaker 2>of this cultural quote where the CIA is influencing arts

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01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:14.279
<v Speaker 2>and letters. There is something here where this cutout the

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01:10:14.680 --> 01:10:19.439
<v Speaker 2>encounter says urging Spender to open a literary pages to

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01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:25.359
<v Speaker 2>a new generation of American writers like sal Bello, JD. Salinger, Truman, Capodi, Trulean, Grause.

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01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:29.479
<v Speaker 2>So they're letting their kind of curating these kind of

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01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:34.479
<v Speaker 2>new writers like Salinger. That's definitely CIA influenced. So this

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01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:37.720
<v Speaker 2>is Bremer, this is the guy who inspired Travis Brickell.

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01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:43.039
<v Speaker 2>He's taking a shot at George Wallace. I think he

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01:10:43.159 --> 01:10:47.039
<v Speaker 2>was a competitor for Nixon, if I remember correctly, on

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01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:50.520
<v Speaker 2>the second term. So, uh, there's an interest. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>like that scene that I showed at the very beginning,

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01:10:52.640 --> 01:10:55.479
<v Speaker 2>this kind of motif of the bullet to the head. Right,

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01:10:57.359 --> 01:11:00.479
<v Speaker 2>there's Bremer, Wallace is on the ground. This is a

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01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:05.720
<v Speaker 2>quote directly from Bremer's diary. Milwaukee saw clockwork orange and

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01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:09.319
<v Speaker 2>thought about getting Wallace all through the picture, fantasizing myself

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<v Speaker 2>as the Alex or Alec, but without my brothers, just

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01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:15.880
<v Speaker 2>a little of the old ultra violence. I've decided Wallace

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01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:17.600
<v Speaker 2>would have the honor of it. What would you call it?

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01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:22.439
<v Speaker 2>So he's watching Clark.

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<v Speaker 5>The use of the word ultra violence, no doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>So. Bremer's diary was a primary inspiration for screenwriter's Prostiators

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01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:40.279
<v Speaker 2>character Travis Pickell, played by Robert de Niro in seventy six.

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01:11:40.399 --> 01:11:43.680
<v Speaker 2>I got the dates from and then Taxi Driver in

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01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:46.920
<v Speaker 2>turn would be the inspiration for John Inkley. But there

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<v Speaker 2>is some kind of weird intelligence thing around Bremer, and

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01:11:50.319 --> 01:11:53.159
<v Speaker 2>that is in his memoir Howard Hunt, Who's all over

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01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:57.720
<v Speaker 2>the place. There was an idea that he went to Milwaukee,

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01:11:57.840 --> 01:12:01.279
<v Speaker 2>which Bremer was from, with playing hats to enter and plant.

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01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:08.720
<v Speaker 2>The campaign literature of Democratic contender George mccovery and Hunt

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01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:11.039
<v Speaker 2>recalls he was highly skeptical of a plan to the

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01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:13.840
<v Speaker 2>apartment being guarded by the FBI, but investigated the feasibility

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01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:17.960
<v Speaker 2>of it anyway. Jike Gordon Leedley also to details or

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01:12:18.039 --> 01:12:22.880
<v Speaker 2>discusses the plan in his memoir. So there's Mangione. He

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01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:29.800
<v Speaker 2>becomes kind of an hero. He has his own manifesto

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01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:33.880
<v Speaker 2>on one page. But who does he like? He admires

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01:12:34.079 --> 01:12:38.000
<v Speaker 2>un obamber ted Kaczinski. Right, he admires that he actually

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01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:45.279
<v Speaker 2>this is a real review of Kazinski's industrial society in

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01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:49.319
<v Speaker 2>its future. Right, So he says he was a violent individual,

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01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:53.039
<v Speaker 2>rightfully imprisoned who named innocent people. While these actions tend

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01:12:53.079 --> 01:12:56.279
<v Speaker 2>to be characterized as those of as a crazy ledite

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01:12:56.319 --> 01:13:01.039
<v Speaker 2>interesting use the words that's sophisticated vocabulary to actually know

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01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:03.800
<v Speaker 2>what a lud eye is. However, they are more accurately

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01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:07.680
<v Speaker 2>seen as tho as an extreme political revolutionary, a take

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01:13:07.760 --> 01:13:09.720
<v Speaker 2>I found online that I think is interesting. He had

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01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:12.359
<v Speaker 2>the balls to recognize that peaceful protest has gotten us

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01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:14.920
<v Speaker 2>absolutely nowhere, and at the end of the day, he's

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01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:18.239
<v Speaker 2>probably right. Oil barons haven't listened to any environmental the lists,

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01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:28.960
<v Speaker 2>but they feared him. Zinski right, we get into Kansiski

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01:13:29.079 --> 01:13:32.119
<v Speaker 2>Kazinski here in a minute. There's so much to the stir.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not being told he wasn't a customer of United Healthcare?

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01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:37.840
<v Speaker 2>So why what's his motivation to come out of some

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01:13:38.039 --> 01:13:42.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of weird like modern new age commune commune in

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01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:46.560
<v Speaker 2>Oahu and travel across the country and show up and

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<v Speaker 2>kill this guy formerly very successful, he was very sophisticated.

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01:13:50.319 --> 01:13:52.039
<v Speaker 2>I forgot where you. I think he went to UPenn

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01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:56.479
<v Speaker 2>like riv League, and then like came to the Bay

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01:13:56.600 --> 01:13:59.319
<v Speaker 2>Area to be like a VC guy, a venture capital

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01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:01.279
<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden he walks out and

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01:14:01.359 --> 01:14:03.560
<v Speaker 2>wants to ruin his life by killing a CEO.

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01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:08.239
<v Speaker 5>What and so he was not even a member of

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01:14:08.479 --> 01:14:09.439
<v Speaker 5>United Healthcare?

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01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:10.039
<v Speaker 2>Correct?

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01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:11.319
<v Speaker 3>So what was this?

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01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:12.039
<v Speaker 8>What was it?

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01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:15.079
<v Speaker 5>Can somebody find out if you have blue cross, blue

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01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:15.760
<v Speaker 5>shield or something?

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01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:16.439
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's weird.

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01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:18.199
<v Speaker 5>Did he go after this guy?

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01:14:18.479 --> 01:14:22.399
<v Speaker 4>This guy was supposedly debilitated by a back injury and

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01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:25.079
<v Speaker 4>his I think it was his landlord of all people

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01:14:25.159 --> 01:14:26.239
<v Speaker 4>said yeah, it was so bad.

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01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:28.960
<v Speaker 6>He couldn't even he couldn't even have a sex life.

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01:14:29.319 --> 01:14:32.039
<v Speaker 4>But then he sits on a greyhound bus with this

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01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:36.600
<v Speaker 4>bad back to get to where he's gone, and yeah,

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01:14:36.680 --> 01:14:40.239
<v Speaker 4>this is the story that he had a really bad

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01:14:40.359 --> 01:14:43.880
<v Speaker 4>back issue, and people tied it to like, I don't.

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01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:46.800
<v Speaker 5>Know, he's sitting at McDonald's so and doing all this

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01:14:46.960 --> 01:14:49.359
<v Speaker 5>other stuff supposed.

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<v Speaker 2>No, there's no doubt he had a back issue. There's

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01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:52.960
<v Speaker 2>X rays of his pins in his back.

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01:14:53.039 --> 01:14:56.520
<v Speaker 6>Yet special he had a surgery for a while.

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01:14:57.239 --> 01:14:58.800
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't know if they've taken his Twitter

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01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:02.880
<v Speaker 4>page down, but you could see the pins in fine.

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01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, it's it's it's real. This is his kind

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01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:13.720
<v Speaker 2>of like one page manifesto, which you can read. Somebody

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01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:18.079
<v Speaker 2>from four Chan wrote this pretty interesting called forty thousand

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01:15:18.119 --> 01:15:21.960
<v Speaker 2>a year private school, has a bachelor's and mattress master's degree,

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01:15:22.079 --> 01:15:27.600
<v Speaker 2>no criminal record, vacations, internships, AI like he's involved in

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01:15:27.720 --> 01:15:31.600
<v Speaker 2>AI in Northern California. Writes a good resview on ted Ka,

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01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:35.720
<v Speaker 2>joins the professional world, no signs of instability, disappears for

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01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:38.520
<v Speaker 2>three months, kills you hit CEO at seven am in

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01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:41.640
<v Speaker 2>the morning. Like that's what's weird about that shooting, too,

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01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:44.520
<v Speaker 2>is how did he know that that dude was walking

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01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:46.359
<v Speaker 2>out of his hotel at seven am to be there

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01:15:46.399 --> 01:15:50.560
<v Speaker 2>at the right spot. It is it like it's not credible.

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01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Just something doesn't make sense.

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01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:55.640
<v Speaker 6>Was it the School of Wharton you mentioned you Pen, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think that was it. Yeah, maybe that's where he got

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01:15:57.560 --> 01:15:58.159
<v Speaker 2>his masters.

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<v Speaker 4>You know the alumni record there. It's like, I think

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01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:05.119
<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump went there, and I think Elon Musk was

1349
01:16:05.199 --> 01:16:05.600
<v Speaker 4>there too.

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01:16:06.720 --> 01:16:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Good point, he was in Pani owned property there.

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01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:11.960
<v Speaker 6>I almost said Jimmy Buffett, Warren Buffett went there.

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01:16:13.439 --> 01:16:17.119
<v Speaker 2>They're relatives. So you're close Warren Buffen and Jimmy Buffet.

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01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:18.840
<v Speaker 6>Are they related?

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01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep. Anyway, this is a lovely guy. Goes back

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01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:27.680
<v Speaker 2>to World War Two as well. His name is Murray,

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01:16:28.239 --> 01:16:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Henry Murray, and Henry Murray has an interesting background. Nineteen

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01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:35.560
<v Speaker 2>thirty eight, Murray was recruited by the US government to

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01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:39.279
<v Speaker 2>create a psychological profile of Anol Fhitler. He left temporarily

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01:16:39.319 --> 01:16:41.319
<v Speaker 2>to serve in the US Army during the Second World War,

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01:16:41.720 --> 01:16:45.399
<v Speaker 2>working with American intelligence agencies to help to assess the

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01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:48.960
<v Speaker 2>psychological fitness. So he's working for the army. Salaingers working

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01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:51.840
<v Speaker 2>for the army during World War Two. They're overlapping. There's

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01:16:52.199 --> 01:16:55.439
<v Speaker 2>and you, and Cameron's there too. There's all these future

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01:16:55.600 --> 01:17:00.720
<v Speaker 2>psych people in World War two surrounding Salinger. I haven't

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01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:05.319
<v Speaker 2>made direct connections yet, but it's really crazy. So Murray's

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01:17:05.319 --> 01:17:08.079
<v Speaker 2>a big boy, and you can read his assessment of Hitler.

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01:17:08.119 --> 01:17:11.279
<v Speaker 2>It's called the Mind of Battlefielder. Now it formally was

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01:17:11.399 --> 01:17:17.159
<v Speaker 2>called the Langer Report. So here's the other kicker about

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01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:20.399
<v Speaker 2>this guy. He's in the OSS at Harvard, he read

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01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:25.640
<v Speaker 2>the Psychological Clinic, where he pursued ambitious studies blending psychoanalysis,

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01:17:25.720 --> 01:17:32.560
<v Speaker 2>experimental psychology, and behavioral observation. Murray's intellectual curiosity often pushed boundaries.

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<v Speaker 2>His most controversial work began in nineteen fifty nine with

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01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:39.920
<v Speaker 2>a study on stress responses involving twenty two Harvard undergraduates,

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01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:44.239
<v Speaker 2>including Kaczynski. The experiment was conducted over three years aim

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01:17:44.319 --> 01:17:48.399
<v Speaker 2>to understand how individuals with stand psychological pressure, a topic

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01:17:48.479 --> 01:17:52.920
<v Speaker 2>perhaps informed by Murray's wartime experience. This is probably mk

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01:17:53.079 --> 01:17:55.359
<v Speaker 2>ultur at large, like it's right around the right time

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01:17:55.439 --> 01:17:59.439
<v Speaker 2>fifty nine. The study often was like sixteen years old too,

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01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:04.760
<v Speaker 2>yeah one like one eighty one, IQ super smart. The

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01:18:04.840 --> 01:18:08.600
<v Speaker 2>study often dubbed a multiform assessment's personality development was deceptively

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01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:12.920
<v Speaker 2>framed to participants as a benign exploration of beliefs. Kasinsky,

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01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:15.239
<v Speaker 2>a brilliant but socially awkward sophomore when he joined in

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01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:18.439
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty nine, was one of the subjects. Participants were

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01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:22.000
<v Speaker 2>asked to write essays detailing their personal philosophies and values.

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01:18:22.439 --> 01:18:24.319
<v Speaker 2>They were then used against them in a series of

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01:18:24.399 --> 01:18:29.079
<v Speaker 2>grueling interrogations. So you see this interrogation concept of what

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01:18:29.279 --> 01:18:33.479
<v Speaker 2>Salinger knew, who was doing interrogations and Murray's in World

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01:18:33.560 --> 01:18:37.119
<v Speaker 2>War two doing interrogations of Kazinski, who becomes a hero

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01:18:37.359 --> 01:18:41.199
<v Speaker 2>of Mangione. He's literally in this Kazinsky assigned the code

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01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:44.239
<v Speaker 2>name Lawful. The experience was particularly intense. Over three years,

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01:18:44.680 --> 01:18:48.319
<v Speaker 2>he endured roughly two hundred hours of these sessions. Burge

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01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:52.199
<v Speaker 2>himself described the interrogations as venment, sweeping and personally abusive.

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01:18:52.720 --> 01:18:56.279
<v Speaker 2>The star contrast to the ethical norms emerging in psychological

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01:18:56.359 --> 01:19:00.720
<v Speaker 2>research at the time. Sorry, his IQ was one sixty seven.

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01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:01.039
<v Speaker 6>That was.

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01:19:02.640 --> 01:19:05.479
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, he was like subject. He came out of a

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01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Kazinski came out of mk Ultra like Murray's neck deep

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01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:12.520
<v Speaker 2>in this stuff and you can read about it here.

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01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:16.920
<v Speaker 2>And then Mangioni becomes like Hero Mangioni, like this guy

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01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:21.760
<v Speaker 2>who he doesn't make sense, Like his life arc doesn't

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01:19:21.800 --> 01:19:22.159
<v Speaker 2>make sense.

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01:19:22.359 --> 01:19:23.840
<v Speaker 5>He doesn't make sense at.

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01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:27.279
<v Speaker 2>All that he would throw it all away to kick kill. Okay.

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01:19:27.479 --> 01:19:29.439
<v Speaker 2>The other thing that's weird is like the reason they

1405
01:19:29.479 --> 01:19:32.319
<v Speaker 2>got him. He's flirting with some girl and he took

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01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:36.199
<v Speaker 2>down his mask and he's smiling, like these guys don't

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01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:38.880
<v Speaker 2>know the consequences of their action or something like he's

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01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:44.640
<v Speaker 2>not serious, but like he's become a cultural hero pre Luigi. Yeah,

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01:19:44.840 --> 01:19:50.039
<v Speaker 2>what goes Wilburry. Yeah, so that's it. I don't know

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01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:51.760
<v Speaker 2>how much longer you guys want to go on for,

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01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:54.600
<v Speaker 2>but that's that's that one.

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<v Speaker 5>Well I've said this a million times, but there are

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01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:02.239
<v Speaker 5>theory and I've looked into a couple of them, But

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01:20:03.319 --> 01:20:08.199
<v Speaker 5>that Ted Kaczynski was the Zodiac Killer, I've never heard that.

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01:20:09.760 --> 01:20:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Can you guys see that? Can you see that set

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01:20:12.920 --> 01:20:17.680
<v Speaker 2>of slides? Yeah? Yeah, there's Catching the Ride Wanona. I've

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01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:21.279
<v Speaker 2>read Catching the Ride twelve hundred times. There's never been

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01:20:21.319 --> 01:20:21.960
<v Speaker 2>anything like it.

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01:20:27.279 --> 01:20:31.159
<v Speaker 5>Her and her little boyfriend Johnny Depp.

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01:20:33.479 --> 01:20:35.279
<v Speaker 2>Ties to the West Memphis three. She was also a

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01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:36.760
<v Speaker 2>West Memphis three supporter too.

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01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:39.520
<v Speaker 5>I'm sure she loved it.

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01:20:41.479 --> 01:20:45.000
<v Speaker 2>This is her wearing a pency prep. This school doesn't exist,

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01:20:45.520 --> 01:20:47.920
<v Speaker 2>So this is like an inside kind of joke type thing.

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01:20:48.680 --> 01:20:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Frency pep that's a good scruf for boys. Yeah, and

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01:20:52.840 --> 01:20:56.840
<v Speaker 2>then she mentions it in this article Winona Forever, writer

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01:20:57.000 --> 01:21:00.479
<v Speaker 2>has been trapped. She's did this artless thing by Arroyo

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01:21:00.680 --> 01:21:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Roberts of twenty sixteen starts off with a quote from

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<v Speaker 2>Holden Callfield. So fiction comes into reality. The goddamn movies

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01:21:09.239 --> 01:21:10.920
<v Speaker 2>they can ruin you. I'm not kidding.

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<v Speaker 4>That Winona Forever is the tattoo that Johnny Depp had

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01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:20.279
<v Speaker 4>and then he had to make it Whino Forever when

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<v Speaker 4>they broke her father.

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01:21:22.399 --> 01:21:24.520
<v Speaker 2>In Last Tim Larry right there with the MK Ultra

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01:21:24.920 --> 01:21:29.840
<v Speaker 2>lsd CIA stuff. Look at the eyeballs here, the even

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01:21:29.880 --> 01:21:33.479
<v Speaker 2>the visuals are creepy on this At seventeen when NOA

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01:21:33.520 --> 01:21:36.000
<v Speaker 2>writer underlined those words by holding Callfield in one of

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01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:37.680
<v Speaker 2>her two copies of Catcher in the rite she was

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01:21:37.720 --> 01:21:40.520
<v Speaker 2>carrying with her. Me and Holden are like this team,

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01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:43.520
<v Speaker 2>she said. Writer has since referred more than once to

1442
01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:47.319
<v Speaker 2>date J. D. Salader's magnum and Augustus as her bible,

1443
01:21:48.159 --> 01:21:50.199
<v Speaker 2>and since mentioned more than once she has read it

1444
01:21:50.239 --> 01:21:52.119
<v Speaker 2>about fifty times. Well, that's not what you told be.

1445
01:21:54.560 --> 01:21:57.239
<v Speaker 2>And when she was nineteen, her boyfriend Johnny Deppit's Time,

1446
01:21:57.600 --> 01:22:00.880
<v Speaker 2>gave her an auction bought Christmas card with South's signature

1447
01:22:00.920 --> 01:22:03.840
<v Speaker 2>on it. At twenty, Riders still took Catcher in the

1448
01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:06.239
<v Speaker 2>Rye wherever she went as a kind of adult pacifier.

1449
01:22:06.479 --> 01:22:10.279
<v Speaker 4>Okay, that's like the character of Mel Gibson played in

1450
01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:12.279
<v Speaker 4>a conspiracy theory.

1451
01:22:12.640 --> 01:22:15.319
<v Speaker 6>He said he never read it, but he always had

1452
01:22:15.399 --> 01:22:15.840
<v Speaker 6>it with him.

1453
01:22:17.720 --> 01:22:20.239
<v Speaker 2>At age twenty seven, Writer was still praying at the

1454
01:22:20.319 --> 01:22:23.720
<v Speaker 2>altar of the Prep school Hero. That year, she showed

1455
01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Vogue magazine and Tiffany frame she had received it as

1456
01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:29.560
<v Speaker 2>a gift from a friend. One side held a picture

1457
01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:33.479
<v Speaker 2>of her in nineteen ninety to age nineteen, black clad sunglasses,

1458
01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:36.479
<v Speaker 2>slumped on a couch, giving the finger. The other held

1459
01:22:36.520 --> 01:22:38.960
<v Speaker 2>a page from Catchering the Rye, the one in which

1460
01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Holden sees fu on the wall. This is the trigger word,

1461
01:22:42.680 --> 01:22:44.079
<v Speaker 2>the F word on the wall of his ten year

1462
01:22:44.079 --> 01:22:49.279
<v Speaker 2>old sisters school quote. I think even if I ever

1463
01:22:49.359 --> 01:22:50.920
<v Speaker 2>die and they stick me in the cemetery and I

1464
01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:53.680
<v Speaker 2>have a tombstone and all it'll say, holding call field

1465
01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:55.760
<v Speaker 2>on it, then what year I was born and what

1466
01:22:55.920 --> 01:22:57.880
<v Speaker 2>year I died? And then right under it it'll say

1467
01:22:58.079 --> 01:23:02.079
<v Speaker 2>f you. The other thing. He's obsessed with death and violence.

1468
01:23:02.159 --> 01:23:08.199
<v Speaker 2>Like it's not a positive kid anyway. She's confessed to

1469
01:23:08.279 --> 01:23:14.439
<v Speaker 2>stealing interesting bio. Both assassins like Ruth and the crooks

1470
01:23:14.479 --> 01:23:17.880
<v Speaker 2>guy whoever? He was both in a black Rock commercial together.

1471
01:23:17.960 --> 01:23:21.119
<v Speaker 2>How what's the likeliest of that? Like, it just goes

1472
01:23:21.199 --> 01:23:23.399
<v Speaker 2>on and on them. There was a discussion on Rogan

1473
01:23:23.479 --> 01:23:27.840
<v Speaker 2>and Musk, like all these insane details. This is a former,

1474
01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:33.600
<v Speaker 2>former normally looking guy like button down Ryan Ruth won

1475
01:23:33.640 --> 01:23:37.399
<v Speaker 2>a law enforcement oscar for helping any police investigation. You know,

1476
01:23:38.479 --> 01:23:42.840
<v Speaker 2>this was him. And then this is like all kinds

1477
01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:44.600
<v Speaker 2>of ties. How does he get the money to travel

1478
01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:50.159
<v Speaker 2>around Ryan Ruth? Oh, he's at Fort Bragg. He has

1479
01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:54.039
<v Speaker 2>his own doctor. Who's his own doctor? This woman, doctor

1480
01:23:54.159 --> 01:24:00.279
<v Speaker 2>Sue Kim. What's her? What's her CV? We're looking for

1481
01:24:00.359 --> 01:24:03.880
<v Speaker 2>the Rand Corporation. She has a bachelor's in French from Yale,

1482
01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:07.199
<v Speaker 2>masters in the National Public Policy and is it was

1483
01:24:07.319 --> 01:24:10.720
<v Speaker 2>she's like a CIA handler. There were tens of thousands

1484
01:24:10.760 --> 01:24:14.399
<v Speaker 2>of messages between Ryan Ruth and doctor Sue Kim. Is

1485
01:24:14.479 --> 01:24:18.039
<v Speaker 2>this is Cia handler. Ryan, We've even followed doctor Kim

1486
01:24:18.119 --> 01:24:20.720
<v Speaker 2>and she followed back. In fact, she was the second

1487
01:24:20.800 --> 01:24:28.000
<v Speaker 2>person he followed. Doctor Yeah, right there. But Rand is

1488
01:24:28.079 --> 01:24:35.720
<v Speaker 2>researching about total like uh intel cutout type thing. These

1489
01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:37.720
<v Speaker 2>guys are all tied to Fort Bragg. So the two

1490
01:24:37.840 --> 01:24:41.439
<v Speaker 2>guys on top, I think it was Jabbar and Liveelsburger

1491
01:24:41.560 --> 01:24:46.399
<v Speaker 2>both had those suicide I mean killings. One Jabbar drove

1492
01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:51.520
<v Speaker 2>through Bourbon Street in New Orleans and this guy other

1493
01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:56.119
<v Speaker 2>guy was in in Las Vegas and there you have

1494
01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:01.960
<v Speaker 2>all before bu I forgot the name of This is

1495
01:25:02.039 --> 01:25:05.159
<v Speaker 2>Ruth with a famous chef h guy from Spain. I

1496
01:25:05.199 --> 01:25:11.159
<v Speaker 2>forgot his name, Brian. You know Fort Bragg, Livelsburger they

1497
01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:15.279
<v Speaker 2>luckily found like they found his id in this huge firestorm.

1498
01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:18.079
<v Speaker 2>There's questions about whether he was even alive at the time.

1499
01:25:18.960 --> 01:25:20.680
<v Speaker 2>But like, oh, I got all this stuff. I'm building

1500
01:25:20.800 --> 01:25:22.640
<v Speaker 2>drones like he's a drone. He's got all kinds of

1501
01:25:22.640 --> 01:25:27.279
<v Speaker 2>sophisticated stuff. There's emails from him. This guy like there's

1502
01:25:27.319 --> 01:25:31.000
<v Speaker 2>another Green Beret who like analyzed the whole stories Like

1503
01:25:31.760 --> 01:25:36.119
<v Speaker 2>this doesn't make any sense. I don't know if I

1504
01:25:36.199 --> 01:25:39.000
<v Speaker 2>have the time to read it, but like this guy old,

1505
01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm from Houston, Texas. I've been active in the Muslim

1506
01:25:42.039 --> 01:25:44.600
<v Speaker 2>community for years. Neither I nor anyone I know has

1507
01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:46.880
<v Speaker 2>ever seen or heard of the alleged Bourbon Street attacker.

1508
01:25:47.319 --> 01:25:51.640
<v Speaker 2>Sham said Deed Shabbar, like nobody knows this guy's This

1509
01:25:51.720 --> 01:25:54.000
<v Speaker 2>is extremely fishy sy op question mark.

1510
01:25:54.560 --> 01:25:58.760
<v Speaker 4>Is he the one where the reporter lady got access

1511
01:25:58.840 --> 01:26:01.680
<v Speaker 4>to the house and she walks around in there.

1512
01:26:02.399 --> 01:26:04.800
<v Speaker 2>They think that was crooks, but may be wrong.

1513
01:26:05.560 --> 01:26:07.800
<v Speaker 6>It was either the It was either the Vegas cyber

1514
01:26:07.880 --> 01:26:08.880
<v Speaker 6>truck guy or this guy.

1515
01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:10.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

1516
01:26:10.359 --> 01:26:12.319
<v Speaker 4>I think it was this guy because they had mentioned

1517
01:26:12.399 --> 01:26:15.239
<v Speaker 4>how he had kind of strayed from his religion, and

1518
01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:17.319
<v Speaker 4>then they go in there. He's got like an altar

1519
01:26:17.479 --> 01:26:20.840
<v Speaker 4>set up with the Quran opened up all his The

1520
01:26:21.039 --> 01:26:23.800
<v Speaker 4>FBI has supposedly already been there. All the bomb making

1521
01:26:23.920 --> 01:26:27.000
<v Speaker 4>chemicals are still spread out. His computer's still there, and

1522
01:26:27.159 --> 01:26:32.279
<v Speaker 4>this weird like valley girl esque reporter got the first

1523
01:26:32.399 --> 01:26:35.119
<v Speaker 4>access to it, and the video just looks so staged.

1524
01:26:37.359 --> 01:26:40.319
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be surprised. Here's a guy with like a

1525
01:26:41.399 --> 01:26:44.199
<v Speaker 2>ivy league education, wanting to do porn films or whatever.

1526
01:26:44.239 --> 01:26:48.840
<v Speaker 2>It's not believable. I guess Tony's soprano was obsessed with ducks,

1527
01:26:48.840 --> 01:26:51.960
<v Speaker 2>which makes sense. So it's like the theme of kind

1528
01:26:52.000 --> 01:26:53.560
<v Speaker 2>of dissociation.

1529
01:26:53.039 --> 01:26:56.079
<v Speaker 6>And he goes into impression when they leave his swimming pool.

1530
01:26:57.840 --> 01:26:59.960
<v Speaker 2>That's the tie. That's the tie. And it's about him

1531
01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:04.199
<v Speaker 2>with the psychiatrist, right, he's always getting you know, and

1532
01:27:04.520 --> 01:27:08.279
<v Speaker 2>analyzed or whatever. This is a very recent so Trump says,

1533
01:27:08.359 --> 01:27:10.199
<v Speaker 2>next week you will receive a report about both of

1534
01:27:10.279 --> 01:27:14.000
<v Speaker 2>his assassination attempts, which hasn't come out yet, but there's

1535
01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:16.479
<v Speaker 2>still support. Like Ruth and the other guy crooks, they're

1536
01:27:16.479 --> 01:27:18.399
<v Speaker 2>still kind of trying to track it down. There's been

1537
01:27:18.479 --> 01:27:22.199
<v Speaker 2>other assassinations. There was another one suicide man in the area.

1538
01:27:22.319 --> 01:27:24.880
<v Speaker 2>So all kinds of crazy stuff is going on. This

1539
01:27:25.039 --> 01:27:28.680
<v Speaker 2>guy manager sent something out in February about another dude

1540
01:27:28.680 --> 01:27:32.359
<v Speaker 2>who got close to the Capitol. But yeah, I mean

1541
01:27:35.039 --> 01:27:39.600
<v Speaker 2>it gets crazy. It's this is I'm scratching the surface, man,

1542
01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:42.600
<v Speaker 2>like this is this presentation would have been doue in

1543
01:27:42.680 --> 01:27:46.920
<v Speaker 2>ninety minutes. Like I can bring out some more like

1544
01:27:47.079 --> 01:27:48.680
<v Speaker 2>video or whatever. I don't know how much time you

1545
01:27:48.720 --> 01:27:51.880
<v Speaker 2>guys got here's here's trump. I mean you have to

1546
01:27:51.960 --> 01:27:56.000
<v Speaker 2>remember so, like the guy Bremer who's talking about this,

1547
01:27:56.239 --> 01:28:00.800
<v Speaker 2>like clockwork, Orange is about behavioral modification, right. They take

1548
01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Alex to Large as wild guy and put him through

1549
01:28:03.079 --> 01:28:07.079
<v Speaker 2>the Ludovic mac method to try to change his personality.

1550
01:28:07.720 --> 01:28:10.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean we even watch the sequence. It's really something else.

1551
01:28:10.680 --> 01:28:12.479
<v Speaker 2>I hope you're not on YouTube. They probably get all

1552
01:28:12.520 --> 01:28:13.000
<v Speaker 2>pissed off.

1553
01:28:13.319 --> 01:28:16.279
<v Speaker 6>That's all right, she's not and I'm just waiting to

1554
01:28:16.319 --> 01:28:16.880
<v Speaker 6>get the boot.

1555
01:28:18.880 --> 01:28:20.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm giving up. Let me see if I can

1556
01:28:20.760 --> 01:28:41.640
<v Speaker 2>figure this out. Go to tabs, new tab. I just

1557
01:28:41.760 --> 01:28:43.319
<v Speaker 2>don't understand about feelings.

1558
01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:51.800
<v Speaker 8>You have to be cured horrible. Yeah, violence is a

1559
01:28:51.960 --> 01:28:56.520
<v Speaker 8>very horrible thing. That's what you're learning now, your body's learning.

1560
01:28:57.600 --> 01:29:00.479
<v Speaker 2>I just don't understand about feeling sick way I did.

1561
01:29:00.640 --> 01:29:02.439
<v Speaker 2>I never used to feel sick before. I used to

1562
01:29:02.479 --> 01:29:04.960
<v Speaker 2>feel like they're very opposite. I mean, doing it or

1563
01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:06.800
<v Speaker 2>watching it. I used to feel real on the show.

1564
01:29:08.039 --> 01:29:12.000
<v Speaker 8>You felt ill this afternoon because you're getting better. You see,

1565
01:29:12.399 --> 01:29:14.680
<v Speaker 8>when we're healthy, we respond to the presence of the

1566
01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:18.680
<v Speaker 8>hateful with fear and nausea. You're becoming healthy, that's all.

1567
01:29:19.720 --> 01:29:22.000
<v Speaker 8>By this time tomorrow you will be healthier still.

1568
01:30:05.119 --> 01:30:08.199
<v Speaker 9>And I had truly done my best. It was the

1569
01:30:08.319 --> 01:30:11.880
<v Speaker 9>next day, brothers, and I had truly done my pest

1570
01:30:12.079 --> 01:30:14.960
<v Speaker 9>morning and afternoon to play it their way and sit

1571
01:30:15.199 --> 01:30:18.279
<v Speaker 9>like a horror show cooperative Malchik in the chair of

1572
01:30:18.399 --> 01:30:22.159
<v Speaker 9>torture while they flashed nasty bits of ultra violence on

1573
01:30:22.279 --> 01:30:26.239
<v Speaker 9>the screen, though not on the soundtrack my brothers, the

1574
01:30:26.359 --> 01:30:31.159
<v Speaker 9>only sound being music. Then I noticed, in all my

1575
01:30:31.399 --> 01:30:33.640
<v Speaker 9>pain and sickness, what music it was that.

1576
01:30:33.920 --> 01:30:41.119
<v Speaker 2>Like cracked and boomed. It was Ludwig fan ninth Symphony,

1577
01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:42.439
<v Speaker 2>fourth movement.

1578
01:31:00.039 --> 01:31:05.520
<v Speaker 6>It's not back, this is said, that's a sad This

1579
01:31:05.640 --> 01:31:11.000
<v Speaker 6>is sad sin.

1580
01:31:12.079 --> 01:31:13.119
<v Speaker 2>What's all this about?

1581
01:31:13.239 --> 01:31:13.439
<v Speaker 5>Sin?

1582
01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:16.520
<v Speaker 8>Using about big bad?

1583
01:31:17.439 --> 01:31:18.760
<v Speaker 2>You don't answer anymore.

1584
01:31:19.600 --> 01:31:24.000
<v Speaker 8>The tal just throw music. Are you referring to the

1585
01:31:24.119 --> 01:31:28.800
<v Speaker 8>background school, Yes, that they do before.

1586
01:31:29.880 --> 01:31:32.920
<v Speaker 6>Yes, so you're keen on music.

1587
01:31:34.039 --> 01:31:39.479
<v Speaker 1>Yes, can't be help.

1588
01:31:41.319 --> 01:31:46.359
<v Speaker 2>He is the punishment god, nor to be pleased.

1589
01:31:50.000 --> 01:31:50.520
<v Speaker 8>I'm sorry.

1590
01:31:52.199 --> 01:31:54.840
<v Speaker 2>This is where your around good left the bad.

1591
01:31:54.920 --> 01:31:55.760
<v Speaker 6>And that's for a while.

1592
01:31:57.439 --> 01:31:59.720
<v Speaker 2>It's stop fair, it's stop.

1593
01:32:00.159 --> 01:32:03.479
<v Speaker 4>I should feel ill here, loveling lovely, not with bad.

1594
01:32:04.880 --> 01:32:08.960
<v Speaker 4>You must take your chance, by the choice has been

1595
01:32:08.960 --> 01:32:09.439
<v Speaker 4>all your.

1596
01:32:11.680 --> 01:32:15.560
<v Speaker 9>You need to take any further, son, you prove to

1597
01:32:15.640 --> 01:32:17.880
<v Speaker 9>me the alls unto violence.

1598
01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:22.199
<v Speaker 6>And killing is wrong, wrong, and terribly wrong. I've loved

1599
01:32:22.239 --> 01:32:23.000
<v Speaker 6>my lesson, sir.

1600
01:32:23.600 --> 01:32:27.520
<v Speaker 2>I see no one I've never seen before. I'm cured.

1601
01:32:28.039 --> 01:32:28.920
<v Speaker 7>Praise God.

1602
01:32:30.079 --> 01:32:31.319
<v Speaker 3>You're not cured yet.

1603
01:32:31.560 --> 01:32:31.880
<v Speaker 5>Bye.

1604
01:32:33.359 --> 01:32:37.800
<v Speaker 4>But first, missus, I see that it's wrong.

1605
01:32:39.079 --> 01:32:42.159
<v Speaker 9>It's wrong because it's slight against society.

1606
01:32:43.239 --> 01:32:44.880
<v Speaker 2>It's wrong because everybody has the.

1607
01:32:44.960 --> 01:32:48.079
<v Speaker 9>Right to live, be happy without being to chop the night.

1608
01:32:49.359 --> 01:32:51.760
<v Speaker 2>No, no, boy, you really must leave it to us

1609
01:32:52.520 --> 01:32:55.840
<v Speaker 2>and be cheerful about it. Listening apart night now you

1610
01:32:55.880 --> 01:33:02.079
<v Speaker 2>will be a free man. And then that sequence he

1611
01:33:02.279 --> 01:33:05.239
<v Speaker 2>like basically starts licking boots and stuff like that. I

1612
01:33:05.239 --> 01:33:11.479
<v Speaker 2>don't know if you remember that, but strange days. Do

1613
01:33:11.520 --> 01:33:13.800
<v Speaker 2>you want to watch the one on Trump and his assassins.

1614
01:33:13.840 --> 01:33:16.279
<v Speaker 2>He's mentioning his assassins. I don't know how well how

1615
01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:21.000
<v Speaker 2>well informed Trump is, but he seems to want to

1616
01:33:21.079 --> 01:33:23.840
<v Speaker 2>get im gonna put this thing in the tap. He

1617
01:33:23.880 --> 01:33:25.680
<v Speaker 2>seems to want to get to the bottom of things.

1618
01:33:26.239 --> 01:33:37.680
<v Speaker 2>M let's see, sure.

1619
01:33:38.680 --> 01:33:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Trump, I think, and uh, they've got a screw loose.

1620
01:33:50.720 --> 01:33:51.800
<v Speaker 1>They've got a screw loose.

1621
01:33:51.880 --> 01:33:53.600
<v Speaker 10>About a month ago or so, you said they were

1622
01:33:53.640 --> 01:33:56.680
<v Speaker 10>going to brief you on what happened, what they know

1623
01:33:56.920 --> 01:33:59.920
<v Speaker 10>the investigation, has that happened, Is there anything you can

1624
01:34:00.079 --> 01:34:02.039
<v Speaker 10>share with us? And maybe there should be a commission,

1625
01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:03.239
<v Speaker 10>maybe there should be something else.

1626
01:34:03.399 --> 01:34:06.000
<v Speaker 1>So it is, it has happened, and they don't seem

1627
01:34:06.039 --> 01:34:09.920
<v Speaker 1>to think there was anything other than abnormal people. And

1628
01:34:11.520 --> 01:34:15.319
<v Speaker 1>I'll assume that's true. They do have a case coming up,

1629
01:34:15.760 --> 01:34:17.800
<v Speaker 1>the case that a lot of people don't talk about.

1630
01:34:17.880 --> 01:34:20.960
<v Speaker 1>But it's coming up really sort of a third case,

1631
01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:23.359
<v Speaker 1>I guess you'd say, And so we'll see how that

1632
01:34:23.439 --> 01:34:24.079
<v Speaker 1>one works out.

1633
01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:26.600
<v Speaker 2>But you know, it's a dangerous profession being president.

1634
01:34:26.720 --> 01:34:32.399
<v Speaker 1>If you look race car drivers one in one, think

1635
01:34:32.479 --> 01:34:35.640
<v Speaker 1>of this, one tenth of one percent, bull riders, one

1636
01:34:35.720 --> 01:34:38.960
<v Speaker 1>tenth of one percent. Presidents. I won't tell you the number,

1637
01:34:39.039 --> 01:34:39.600
<v Speaker 1>but it's big.

1638
01:34:40.279 --> 01:34:41.680
<v Speaker 2>It's a dangerous profession.

1639
01:34:41.760 --> 01:34:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Why didn't you tell me that? You could have told

1640
01:34:43.880 --> 01:34:47.560
<v Speaker 1>me this, please, This would be assassin crooks had.

1641
01:34:49.720 --> 01:34:53.039
<v Speaker 2>What's the actual number of presidents in the United States

1642
01:34:53.039 --> 01:34:57.319
<v Speaker 2>who've been assassinated? One out of four? One on eight?

1643
01:34:59.199 --> 01:35:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Is it that high? It's high, it's high, or attempt

1644
01:35:03.079 --> 01:35:06.479
<v Speaker 2>certainly attempted assassination. I think they all get attempted, but

1645
01:35:06.600 --> 01:35:13.439
<v Speaker 2>like McKinley Lincoln, I know that Roosevelt took a bullet

1646
01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:19.159
<v Speaker 2>but survived. Kennedy obviously attempted assassination on.

1647
01:35:19.279 --> 01:35:25.840
<v Speaker 5>Reagan Garfield Garfield, Garfield got shot at a train station

1648
01:35:26.199 --> 01:35:26.760
<v Speaker 5>or something like that.

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01:35:28.319 --> 01:35:32.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a rough job anyway. That's basically my presentation.

1650
01:35:32.640 --> 01:35:35.880
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot there, I mean, but there's the connections

1651
01:35:35.920 --> 01:35:38.039
<v Speaker 2>to this book are incredible, and I probably have to

1652
01:35:38.119 --> 01:35:41.760
<v Speaker 2>read it again and go wow, because I think there's

1653
01:35:41.880 --> 01:35:43.640
<v Speaker 2>just a lot more in there that I didn't notice.

1654
01:35:43.720 --> 01:35:47.800
<v Speaker 2>But like Joe Atwell goes into the pedophilia and the

1655
01:35:47.920 --> 01:35:50.960
<v Speaker 2>mason masonry right, which I mean, Pike is an obviously

1656
01:35:51.039 --> 01:35:56.560
<v Speaker 2>nod to masonry, but he goes down at the National

1657
01:35:56.680 --> 01:36:00.319
<v Speaker 2>History Museum holding call Field goes down and there's an

1658
01:36:00.359 --> 01:36:04.039
<v Speaker 2>Egyptian theme through the entire book, which is the direct

1659
01:36:04.119 --> 01:36:07.079
<v Speaker 2>tie to occultism in masonry and stuff like that.

1660
01:36:08.239 --> 01:36:11.000
<v Speaker 5>There was a few things I wanted to mention too.

1661
01:36:11.079 --> 01:36:13.199
<v Speaker 5>I wrote it down in my notes so I wouldn't forget.

1662
01:36:14.159 --> 01:36:16.920
<v Speaker 5>But I think I might have found the same guy

1663
01:36:17.000 --> 01:36:20.359
<v Speaker 5>you're talking about that talks about all the masonry and

1664
01:36:20.520 --> 01:36:25.880
<v Speaker 5>catcher in their eyes. I think it was him because

1665
01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:29.760
<v Speaker 5>he said that he uses the word phony thirty three

1666
01:36:29.920 --> 01:36:32.279
<v Speaker 5>times in the book.

1667
01:36:32.600 --> 01:36:35.439
<v Speaker 2>So there's numbers. God, I didn't notice that. Oh yeah.

1668
01:36:36.479 --> 01:36:41.159
<v Speaker 5>And then there's a character named Selma Thermer in the book,

1669
01:36:42.600 --> 01:36:49.039
<v Speaker 5>and there is a Masonic lodge named Selma, the same

1670
01:36:49.319 --> 01:36:52.640
<v Speaker 5>first name as the character. And there was a snippet

1671
01:36:52.680 --> 01:36:55.520
<v Speaker 5>that they put in there said July eighteen seventy six,

1672
01:36:55.600 --> 01:36:58.399
<v Speaker 5>it would it was agreed that the lower rooms of

1673
01:36:58.560 --> 01:37:02.960
<v Speaker 5>the lodge building be used for school purposes. Founded in

1674
01:37:03.000 --> 01:37:08.159
<v Speaker 5>the year eighteen eighty eight. Isn't that the same year

1675
01:37:08.600 --> 01:37:12.760
<v Speaker 5>that they founded the prep school, the one in the

1676
01:37:13.159 --> 01:37:13.399
<v Speaker 5>in the.

1677
01:37:13.399 --> 01:37:16.439
<v Speaker 2>Book, the fictional one. I can go back, didn't didn't

1678
01:37:16.800 --> 01:37:20.199
<v Speaker 2>wasn't there a picture of what's her face with the

1679
01:37:20.800 --> 01:37:22.479
<v Speaker 2>yea date? Boys?

1680
01:37:22.960 --> 01:37:25.199
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, I wrote it down. It is the name

1681
01:37:25.239 --> 01:37:27.520
<v Speaker 5>of a Masonic lodge that founded a school in July

1682
01:37:27.720 --> 01:37:30.119
<v Speaker 5>eighteen eighty eight. This happens to be the same year

1683
01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:33.520
<v Speaker 5>that the fictional school, Pency Prep was founded.

1684
01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right, that's right, Yeah, that's the name.

1685
01:37:36.800 --> 01:37:41.319
<v Speaker 5>Selma is literally a Masonic school that was founded in

1686
01:37:41.359 --> 01:37:45.319
<v Speaker 5>the same year Pency Prep was founded. It's also the

1687
01:37:45.439 --> 01:37:48.680
<v Speaker 5>same year. And I know this is like not related,

1688
01:37:48.800 --> 01:37:51.600
<v Speaker 5>but kind of. It's the same year that Jack the

1689
01:37:51.760 --> 01:37:56.439
<v Speaker 5>Ripper Murders began, eighteen eighty. Wow, No, I thought that

1690
01:37:56.720 --> 01:38:03.159
<v Speaker 5>was cool. And also her last name them Selma's the Thermer.

1691
01:38:04.479 --> 01:38:07.359
<v Speaker 5>It Thermer is some kind of a chisel tool that's

1692
01:38:07.520 --> 01:38:12.239
<v Speaker 5>used by bricklayers. Wow. So that last name was definitely

1693
01:38:12.439 --> 01:38:18.880
<v Speaker 5>not an accident. And there was something in there about

1694
01:38:19.319 --> 01:38:23.880
<v Speaker 5>when he was in the military. He knew these two

1695
01:38:24.000 --> 01:38:30.439
<v Speaker 5>guys that were working on Why didn't I put it

1696
01:38:30.520 --> 01:38:34.800
<v Speaker 5>in my notes? Oh, they were working on neuro linguistic

1697
01:38:35.039 --> 01:38:39.079
<v Speaker 5>programming and he was he had like a friendship with

1698
01:38:39.199 --> 01:38:41.560
<v Speaker 5>these guys in the military that we're working on this,

1699
01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:46.800
<v Speaker 5>and he himself was used for his language skills in

1700
01:38:47.039 --> 01:38:53.079
<v Speaker 5>interrogating prisoners. They speculate that he used this neuro linguistic

1701
01:38:53.239 --> 01:38:56.920
<v Speaker 5>programming when he wrote the book program or Program to

1702
01:38:57.000 --> 01:38:58.000
<v Speaker 5>Go Katherine.

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01:38:58.119 --> 01:39:02.199
<v Speaker 2>It's kind it should be maybe that's title, right, Yeah,

1704
01:39:02.960 --> 01:39:06.680
<v Speaker 2>that's interesting. They mentioned Thermer right at the very beginning

1705
01:39:06.680 --> 01:39:10.199
<v Speaker 2>of the book. It's literally within the first page and

1706
01:39:10.439 --> 01:39:14.000
<v Speaker 2>eighteen eighty eight. Since eighteen eighty eight, we have been

1707
01:39:14.079 --> 01:39:18.319
<v Speaker 2>molding boys into splendid, clearthinking young men. That's the irony

1708
01:39:18.960 --> 01:39:21.039
<v Speaker 2>is that he comes out of there. He's not splendid

1709
01:39:21.520 --> 01:39:23.000
<v Speaker 2>clear thinking at all.

1710
01:39:23.840 --> 01:39:26.239
<v Speaker 5>Right, Yeah, so those were just some things I threw

1711
01:39:26.319 --> 01:39:28.880
<v Speaker 5>in my notes because I think I found the same

1712
01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:31.039
<v Speaker 5>person that you were talking about that talks about all

1713
01:39:31.079 --> 01:39:32.359
<v Speaker 5>those Masonic ties.

1714
01:39:32.720 --> 01:39:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's out well.

1715
01:39:34.000 --> 01:39:37.079
<v Speaker 5>But it does make you wonder though, because of all

1716
01:39:37.159 --> 01:39:41.039
<v Speaker 5>the Laurel Canyon stuff and like their parents being military

1717
01:39:41.239 --> 01:39:44.760
<v Speaker 5>and stuff like that. Like this guy's military. He has

1718
01:39:44.920 --> 01:39:49.159
<v Speaker 5>friends who are working on this neuro linguistic programming, and

1719
01:39:49.239 --> 01:39:52.359
<v Speaker 5>then he writes this book while he's in a mental hospital.

1720
01:39:53.800 --> 01:39:57.520
<v Speaker 5>So I mean, basically, it's a book to get you

1721
01:39:57.720 --> 01:40:03.279
<v Speaker 5>in the state of someone who is a CIA neural

1722
01:40:03.439 --> 01:40:05.199
<v Speaker 5>linguistic mental basiit.

1723
01:40:05.880 --> 01:40:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think you're right. I think that's the dark

1724
01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:12.840
<v Speaker 2>subtext anything that's supported by George Bush, who knows all

1725
01:40:12.880 --> 01:40:16.239
<v Speaker 2>this culture creation CIA stuff. I think you got to

1726
01:40:16.399 --> 01:40:19.479
<v Speaker 2>you gotta know that there's some darkness intentional, like he

1727
01:40:19.640 --> 01:40:22.720
<v Speaker 2>was always pulling these stunts. He's a very malevolent figure.

1728
01:40:23.319 --> 01:40:25.479
<v Speaker 2>And I mean we added to Bill Gates and stuff

1729
01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:29.079
<v Speaker 2>like that. But yeah, I think that this is it's

1730
01:40:29.199 --> 01:40:31.640
<v Speaker 2>not I don't think you have to look at the

1731
01:40:31.680 --> 01:40:33.960
<v Speaker 2>cultural subtext of where this book came out of because

1732
01:40:33.960 --> 01:40:36.640
<v Speaker 2>it ties in to Kinsey, there's no question about it.

1733
01:40:38.840 --> 01:40:42.039
<v Speaker 4>I have a little theory about the end of the

1734
01:40:42.119 --> 01:40:47.439
<v Speaker 4>book because it almost just skips ahead from chapter twenty

1735
01:40:47.560 --> 01:40:50.279
<v Speaker 4>five to chapter twenty six, and a lot has happened

1736
01:40:50.359 --> 01:40:52.640
<v Speaker 4>that you don't know about. And I think it's because

1737
01:40:52.680 --> 01:40:55.319
<v Speaker 4>Holden hasn't really come to grips with the fact that

1738
01:40:55.439 --> 01:40:58.359
<v Speaker 4>he murdered his family. And I think that the ducks

1739
01:40:59.239 --> 01:41:02.680
<v Speaker 4>represent his family, like he can't understand why the ducks

1740
01:41:02.720 --> 01:41:05.479
<v Speaker 4>are gone. And in that's in your slides, you had

1741
01:41:05.560 --> 01:41:09.000
<v Speaker 4>the alternate cover. It's got him wearing his killing hat

1742
01:41:09.039 --> 01:41:11.159
<v Speaker 4>with a cigarette and you can see the smoke is

1743
01:41:11.199 --> 01:41:14.640
<v Speaker 4>in the shape of ducks. And I think that was

1744
01:41:14.760 --> 01:41:17.399
<v Speaker 4>just like they're trying to get him to remember he's

1745
01:41:17.439 --> 01:41:20.800
<v Speaker 4>talking to a psychoanalyst in chapter twenty six. Chapter twenty

1746
01:41:20.840 --> 01:41:23.279
<v Speaker 4>six is like two pages long, and one of the

1747
01:41:23.359 --> 01:41:31.279
<v Speaker 4>last lines of the book is don't ever tell anybody anything.

1748
01:41:31.560 --> 01:41:34.680
<v Speaker 4>If you do, you start missing everybody.

1749
01:41:35.439 --> 01:41:36.239
<v Speaker 6>And I think the.

1750
01:41:36.359 --> 01:41:41.960
<v Speaker 5>Last line of the book, yeah, what so he's got

1751
01:41:42.199 --> 01:41:46.760
<v Speaker 5>he's got missing time, like he's got venturing candidate stuff going.

1752
01:41:46.840 --> 01:41:48.840
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's what it seems like to me, Like.

1753
01:41:48.920 --> 01:41:51.800
<v Speaker 5>He murdered his family did forgot he did it, and then.

1754
01:41:51.800 --> 01:41:54.439
<v Speaker 6>Just yeah, like he had disassociated at that.

1755
01:41:54.760 --> 01:41:57.359
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, because in chapter twenty five is the

1756
01:41:57.439 --> 01:42:00.680
<v Speaker 4>carousel with Phoebe. But one of the last thing she

1757
01:42:00.840 --> 01:42:03.279
<v Speaker 4>does is he asks her if she wants to wear

1758
01:42:03.359 --> 01:42:06.199
<v Speaker 4>his hat, the killing hat, and he says no or

1759
01:42:06.319 --> 01:42:07.920
<v Speaker 4>she says no, and then he puts it on and

1760
01:42:08.079 --> 01:42:09.760
<v Speaker 4>just sits there in the rain. And then it goes

1761
01:42:09.840 --> 01:42:14.359
<v Speaker 4>forward and he's in somewhere talking to psychoanalyst who trained.

1762
01:42:14.399 --> 01:42:18.479
<v Speaker 2>In a place of long halways. Like it's it's two pages.

1763
01:42:18.760 --> 01:42:20.720
<v Speaker 2>You can read all of chapter twenty six. This is it.

1764
01:42:20.800 --> 01:42:23.479
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting because this is where he has no conclusions

1765
01:42:23.520 --> 01:42:27.000
<v Speaker 2>about the narrative. He just told you twenty six. That's

1766
01:42:27.239 --> 01:42:29.840
<v Speaker 2>all I'm going to tell about. I could probably tell

1767
01:42:29.840 --> 01:42:32.119
<v Speaker 2>you what I did after I went home, and how

1768
01:42:32.199 --> 01:42:34.520
<v Speaker 2>I got sick and all, and what school I'm supposed

1769
01:42:34.520 --> 01:42:36.720
<v Speaker 2>to go into next fall after I get out of here,

1770
01:42:36.760 --> 01:42:38.840
<v Speaker 2>But I don't feel like it. I really don't. That

1771
01:42:38.960 --> 01:42:41.760
<v Speaker 2>stuff doesn't interest me too much right now. A lot

1772
01:42:41.840 --> 01:42:45.479
<v Speaker 2>of people, especially this one psychoanalyst guy they have here,

1773
01:42:46.079 --> 01:42:48.359
<v Speaker 2>keeps asking me if I'm going to apply myself when

1774
01:42:48.399 --> 01:42:50.840
<v Speaker 2>I go back to school next September. It's such a

1775
01:42:50.880 --> 01:42:53.239
<v Speaker 2>stupid question, in my opinion. I mean, how do you

1776
01:42:53.359 --> 01:42:55.359
<v Speaker 2>know what you're gonna do till you do it? The

1777
01:42:55.439 --> 01:42:57.760
<v Speaker 2>answer is you don't. I think I am, But how

1778
01:42:57.800 --> 01:43:01.000
<v Speaker 2>do I know? I swear it's a stupid question. dB

1779
01:43:01.319 --> 01:43:02.720
<v Speaker 2>isn't as bad as the rest of them, but he

1780
01:43:02.840 --> 01:43:05.399
<v Speaker 2>keeps asking me a lot of questions too. He drove

1781
01:43:05.439 --> 01:43:08.319
<v Speaker 2>over last Saturday with his English babe that's in this

1782
01:43:08.479 --> 01:43:11.640
<v Speaker 2>new picture he's writing. She was pretty affected but very

1783
01:43:11.680 --> 01:43:14.039
<v Speaker 2>good looking. Anyway, one time when she went to the

1784
01:43:14.119 --> 01:43:17.279
<v Speaker 2>ladies room all the way the hell down in the

1785
01:43:17.359 --> 01:43:20.079
<v Speaker 2>other wing. DBI, that's his brother. Ask me what I

1786
01:43:20.159 --> 01:43:22.600
<v Speaker 2>thought about all the stuff I just finished telling you about.

1787
01:43:23.239 --> 01:43:25.359
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what the hell to say. If you

1788
01:43:25.399 --> 01:43:26.920
<v Speaker 2>want to know the truth, I don't know what to

1789
01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:29.720
<v Speaker 2>think about it. I'm sorry I told so many people

1790
01:43:29.760 --> 01:43:32.079
<v Speaker 2>about it. All I know is I sort of miss

1791
01:43:32.239 --> 01:43:35.199
<v Speaker 2>everybody I told about, even old Stratt later and Aclee

1792
01:43:35.279 --> 01:43:38.720
<v Speaker 2>for instance. I think I even missed that goddamn Maurice,

1793
01:43:38.760 --> 01:43:42.399
<v Speaker 2>that's the pimp. It's funny. Don't ever tell anybody anything.

1794
01:43:42.479 --> 01:43:47.880
<v Speaker 2>If you do, you start missing anybody. Everybody, so that's

1795
01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:52.520
<v Speaker 2>like I think he's saying he really doesn't miss him

1796
01:43:53.199 --> 01:43:56.760
<v Speaker 2>when he's with him, Like they're also just non they're

1797
01:43:56.840 --> 01:43:57.920
<v Speaker 2>not meaningful to him.

1798
01:43:58.199 --> 01:44:02.039
<v Speaker 5>That's Mike, like a true psychopath.

1799
01:44:03.800 --> 01:44:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Psycho.

1800
01:44:05.840 --> 01:44:09.600
<v Speaker 5>I remember people reading this book when I was in school,

1801
01:44:09.840 --> 01:44:12.520
<v Speaker 5>and I've always been more of like I wanted to

1802
01:44:12.560 --> 01:44:15.800
<v Speaker 5>read like Harry Potter and stuff, like I was like

1803
01:44:16.279 --> 01:44:20.239
<v Speaker 5>fantastical books. And somebody described this book to me and

1804
01:44:20.279 --> 01:44:21.920
<v Speaker 5>they were like, oh, you'll love it. It's about this

1805
01:44:22.079 --> 01:44:25.079
<v Speaker 5>and this, And I was like, that sounds horrible. I

1806
01:44:25.119 --> 01:44:29.520
<v Speaker 5>don't want to read that. It never interested me. I'm

1807
01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:32.840
<v Speaker 5>surprised you even liked it because I didn't like it. Oh,

1808
01:44:32.920 --> 01:44:34.520
<v Speaker 5>I was going to say, it just seems so.

1809
01:44:35.319 --> 01:44:37.439
<v Speaker 4>With all this fresh, I want to read it again

1810
01:44:37.479 --> 01:44:40.279
<v Speaker 4>because it is a quick read. But yeah, I don't

1811
01:44:40.319 --> 01:44:42.760
<v Speaker 4>remember thinking it was good and thinking it was weird

1812
01:44:42.840 --> 01:44:43.840
<v Speaker 4>that they pushed.

1813
01:44:43.600 --> 01:44:45.800
<v Speaker 6>This so much in high school mm hmm.

1814
01:44:47.159 --> 01:44:49.239
<v Speaker 5>And they push it through the pop culture, and they

1815
01:44:49.319 --> 01:44:53.319
<v Speaker 5>push it through the assassinations, and they push it through

1816
01:44:53.640 --> 01:44:56.359
<v Speaker 5>There's a reason they want people to read it, that's

1817
01:44:56.439 --> 01:44:56.840
<v Speaker 5>for sure.

1818
01:44:57.159 --> 01:44:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the book, it's a cat.

1819
01:45:00.039 --> 01:45:01.920
<v Speaker 6>You're in their eye. They're picking out all the people

1820
01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:03.680
<v Speaker 6>susceptible to MK programming.

1821
01:45:05.640 --> 01:45:09.600
<v Speaker 5>It's a tool that they can use. Well, William, I

1822
01:45:09.720 --> 01:45:16.159
<v Speaker 5>have a proposal for you. Okay, you should watch Girl Interrupted,

1823
01:45:16.319 --> 01:45:18.439
<v Speaker 5>and then we should all three team up and do

1824
01:45:18.760 --> 01:45:21.319
<v Speaker 5>some kind of like breakdown on that because with the

1825
01:45:21.439 --> 01:45:26.279
<v Speaker 5>Wanona connection and the mental hospital connection, there's also a

1826
01:45:26.399 --> 01:45:29.640
<v Speaker 5>bunch of references in that movie to the Wizard of Oz,

1827
01:45:30.800 --> 01:45:34.479
<v Speaker 5>and I think you will find it very fascinating. Now

1828
01:45:34.520 --> 01:45:37.159
<v Speaker 5>that we've covered this topic, maybe like in a couple

1829
01:45:37.199 --> 01:45:39.359
<v Speaker 5>of weeks, we can come back together and maybe all

1830
01:45:39.439 --> 01:45:39.720
<v Speaker 5>three of.

1831
01:45:39.800 --> 01:45:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Us do Yeah, let's do it. Sounds good, sounds good.

1832
01:45:44.680 --> 01:45:47.359
<v Speaker 2>But Britney Murphy's in there, that's like a suspicious Death

1833
01:45:47.399 --> 01:45:48.920
<v Speaker 2>to nineteen ninety nine film.

1834
01:45:50.079 --> 01:45:54.239
<v Speaker 5>Well you know who else is in there, Jared leto Wow,

1835
01:45:54.920 --> 01:45:59.760
<v Speaker 5>So it's got Winona, it's got Angelina, Jolie, Britney Murphy, Jared.

1836
01:46:00.640 --> 01:46:03.439
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I feel like this is an adjacent project

1837
01:46:03.520 --> 01:46:05.159
<v Speaker 5>to Catcher in the Rye.

1838
01:46:05.760 --> 01:46:06.039
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

1839
01:46:06.640 --> 01:46:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Crazy.

1840
01:46:08.199 --> 01:46:10.239
<v Speaker 5>You could have to check it out for you for

1841
01:46:10.399 --> 01:46:11.039
<v Speaker 5>your research.

1842
01:46:11.760 --> 01:46:14.239
<v Speaker 2>They said it's like it took place in filmed in

1843
01:46:14.359 --> 01:46:18.600
<v Speaker 2>some mental institution, state hospital. Is that right? I haven't

1844
01:46:18.600 --> 01:46:18.920
<v Speaker 2>seen it.

1845
01:46:19.760 --> 01:46:19.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1846
01:46:20.039 --> 01:46:22.479
<v Speaker 5>You I feel like if you if you get your

1847
01:46:22.600 --> 01:46:25.239
<v Speaker 5>notebook out, it'll be full by the time you're done watching.

1848
01:46:25.680 --> 01:46:26.439
<v Speaker 2>I'll have to check it out.

1849
01:46:26.479 --> 01:46:27.439
<v Speaker 5>It's a movie.

1850
01:46:28.000 --> 01:46:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, No, no, I want to check it out. Yeah,

1851
01:46:30.039 --> 01:46:35.159
<v Speaker 2>it sounds good. That's it. That's all I got. Guys,

1852
01:46:35.640 --> 01:46:37.520
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot there. I think I feel like I

1853
01:46:37.600 --> 01:46:40.039
<v Speaker 2>scratched a surface. There's a lot of other things you

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<v Speaker 2>can talk about, Sir and sur and some of these

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<v Speaker 2>other characters, but I think that these new batch of

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<v Speaker 2>very strange people kind of tie in, at least esthetically

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<v Speaker 2>to these catchers in the root for sure.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's an interesting phenomenon, for sure. I love your presentation.

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<v Speaker 5>By the way. Awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good. I'm glad you like it.

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<v Speaker 5>I was caught on a few things that you said

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<v Speaker 5>in mind Blown.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, yeah, it's pretty crazy. It's pretty pretty crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>It seems like it's just kind of spiraling out and

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<v Speaker 4>you're just going to keep adding more to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it gets it's important. According it just keeps

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<v Speaker 2>stretching out. There's no question about it. So there's there's

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<v Speaker 2>tons to learn and add. But like, it just shows

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<v Speaker 2>how this book has permeated our culture and assassinations and

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<v Speaker 2>like people's interested I mean, sixty five million books. That's

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<v Speaker 2>an industry. Think. I mean, if each book is ten

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<v Speaker 2>bucks a pop, or even five bucks a pop, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of money rolling around wherever it's going. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I gotta run, all right, Thanks, William, Send me,

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<v Speaker 2>send me the send me the audio video got till

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<v Speaker 2>next time, till the girl interrupted me. Yeah, the moving

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<v Speaker 2>and Seeing plan.

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<v Speaker 5>We cant in songs, the moon and sing.

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<v Speaker 3>We can in song.

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<v Speaker 4>We can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Him everything him st