Speaker 1: Oh ye is bot it's showtime.
Speaker 2: People say, good money to see this movie.
Speaker 3: When they go out to a theater, they want cold
Speaker 3: sodas with a hot popcorn and no monsters.
Speaker 1: In the protection booth, everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring.
Speaker 2: Don it off.
Speaker 4: We said, I can't believe Grandpa's dead.
Speaker 5: That's what's hard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes I think life is harder.
Speaker 5: When I was a teenager, a trickster demon and terrorized
Speaker 5: our entire family and tried to force me to marry him.
Speaker 5: I believed he was gone.
Speaker 4: Forever until you found this in the attic.
Speaker 6: He's beetle Juice.
Speaker 1: I don't ever say that name.
Speaker 6: Beetlejuice.
Speaker 7: Oh I am serious.
Speaker 4: If you say the same three times, he will appear Beetlejuice.
Speaker 2: The juice is loose.
Speaker 7: I am going to make you so happy.
Speaker 6: The living the dead can they coexist? That's what we're
Speaker 6: here to find out.
Speaker 5: Whereas choice, why Beto Juice.
Speaker 7: Beatle check feel afraid to express yourself? Don't be afraid
Speaker 7: you're a figment of my imagination? Really is this a
Speaker 7: figment of your imagination?
Speaker 8: Hm hmm.
Speaker 5: Welcome to the Projection Booth and the culture cast and
Speaker 5: midnight viewing. We're doing it all, all three of our shows.
Speaker 5: I am your host, Mike White. Joining me is my
Speaker 5: other host, Chris Tashue.
Speaker 1: Nice fucking model.
Speaker 5: Also joining us is my other host father Alone. Beetlejuice, Okay, whatever,
Speaker 5: we are back thirty six years after the original. We're
Speaker 5: back with Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice, and you know what, that third
Speaker 5: one is going to be called, and they're probably gonna
Speaker 5: make a third one because this has had a pretty
Speaker 5: good box office opening. We're back with the sequel to Beetlejuice.
Speaker 5: It's not Beetlejuice Goes Hawaii or some of the other
Speaker 5: Beetle Juice movies that had been kicked around over the years.
Speaker 5: It's not even a feature version of the cartoon. Because
Speaker 5: they had a cartoon of this.
Speaker 1: They did it was amazing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, watch it on Saturday mornings. We are back with
Speaker 5: some of the cast of the original film. We'll definitely
Speaker 5: be talking about that. We have a family tragedy that
Speaker 5: starts this off, and we are introduced to what's kind
Speaker 5: of a combination of the Wednesday Show mixed with the
Speaker 5: original Beatle Juice. We will be spoiling this movie as
Speaker 5: we talk about it, though, I don't think there's a
Speaker 5: whole lot you can spoil with this one unless you
Speaker 5: are a huge Richard Harris fan. So we'll get there,
Speaker 5: trust me. Until then, Chris, what did you think of Beetlejuice? Beetlejuice?
Speaker 9: I went to Los Angeles earlier in the year and
Speaker 9: I went to Universal Studios and they had as I
Speaker 9: was walking out the door, they had a guy a
Speaker 9: dressed up like Beetlejuice. Get your picture with Beetlejuice.
Speaker 7: Look.
Speaker 9: I find the original Beetle Juice probably to be my
Speaker 9: favorite Tim Burton movie. I would say it's probably in
Speaker 9: my top ten or fifteen movies. I think the character
Speaker 9: of Beetlejuice is one that I resonate with a lot,
Speaker 9: as I think a lot of people do, because he's
Speaker 9: a piece of shit, but he's a lovable piece of shit,
Speaker 9: which makes him at least he.
Speaker 1: Wasn't the original.
Speaker 9: I think we'll have plenty to talk about when it
Speaker 9: comes to this movie and Beetlejuice, But the original I
Speaker 9: think is a seminal film for me. A lot of
Speaker 9: the bits from the first movie are things that like
Speaker 9: the nice fucking model or that, hey, come here, got
Speaker 9: some good for you? Come on with the fucking zagnutbar.
Speaker 9: The original is a classic for a reason. Is this
Speaker 9: movie going to hold up to that in the long term?
Speaker 9: Thirty five years from now, will we be talking about Beetlejuice?
Speaker 9: Beetlejuice which give them credit? The title is clever, I don't.
Speaker 9: It is just based on the premise alone of what
Speaker 9: the framing device of Beetlejuice as a character is. The
Speaker 9: title of the movie's great beal Juice Goheswainan is the
Speaker 9: thing we all wanted, obviously for the longest time and
Speaker 9: still do. But I think if we're talking legacy sequels,
Speaker 9: which this very much is, I think it's one of
Speaker 9: the better ones, if not up there with a good
Speaker 9: example of how you can.
Speaker 1: Do this, if you want to do this. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing with this movie for me. Did we need
Speaker 1: this No?
Speaker 9: Did we need this earlier than twenty twenty four, Yes,
Speaker 9: that's the problem.
Speaker 1: Did we need it now?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Did we need it twenty years ago? Yeah?
Speaker 9: I kind of think so if we were going to
Speaker 9: be doing a Beetlejuice movie thirty five fucking years later,
Speaker 9: did people just wake up that Beetlejuice.
Speaker 1: Was a character that we wanted to revisit.
Speaker 9: No, I just I've never understood that the issue with
Speaker 9: legacy sequels that it took the industry twenty years to
Speaker 9: wisen up to we have all these things people like,
Speaker 9: oh my god. Like, it doesn't take people going to
Speaker 9: Spirit Halloween and buying Beetlejuice shit for you to realize
Speaker 9: you have one of the more iconic characters that's been created,
Speaker 9: at least in terms of eighties movies, And it took
Speaker 9: thirty five years to get to this point for real, Like,
Speaker 9: it shocks me that we're talking about a Beetlejuice movie
Speaker 9: in twenty twenty four, not because I didn't think this
Speaker 9: movie would have ever come out, but because I didn't
Speaker 9: think it would have taken thirty five years to make
Speaker 9: a movie about Beetlejuice. Again, given that there was a cartoon,
Speaker 9: given that the original was so successful, given that we
Speaker 9: are watching a second one thirty five years later.
Speaker 5: Beetlejuice has multiple foreign parodies. Let's just put that out there.
Speaker 5: There are multiple it's been that long. Edward Penis Hands
Speaker 5: came out so quickly after the original. Edward Scissorhands. Okay,
Speaker 5: it makes sense to me that we're not really getting
Speaker 5: a sequel for that, but maybe we will. Maybe we'll
Speaker 5: get an Edward Scissorhands too, where we don't explain why
Speaker 5: Johnny Depp is aged all these years or something. Yeah,
Speaker 5: how about you, father Mallon, what did you think about Beetlejuice?
Speaker 7: Beetlejuice. Here's a fun fact, gentlemen. When when Beetlejuice, the
Speaker 7: original Beetle Juice came out, studios used to do preview nights.
Speaker 7: They would do it like a week before the film
Speaker 7: was scheduled to come out, usually on a Thursday, and
Speaker 7: they would always partner it up with whatever was sort
Speaker 7: of failing at the box office. In this case, Beetlejuice
Speaker 7: was partnered up with Police Academy assignment to Miami Beach.
Speaker 7: And so I attended this special screening of Beetlejuice with
Speaker 7: HP fellow weirding Way Media mogul HP. That was the
Speaker 7: first thing we ever went to the movies to see
Speaker 7: together as freshmen in high school. And I loved the
Speaker 7: fucking movie. Obviously went out about the soundtrack, was obsessed
Speaker 7: with it for years and years and was especially proud
Speaker 7: because Michael McDowell lived in Medford, which was the town
Speaker 7: over from my hometown, and wrote Beetlejuice because he hated
Speaker 7: his neighbors and wanted to imagine a way to fucking
Speaker 7: kill them all, and a bio exorcist seemed like a
Speaker 7: good idea. So that movie hasn't diminished in any way
Speaker 7: for me over the years. Every time I watch Beetle Juice,
Speaker 7: it's just as good as when I first watched it.
Speaker 7: I don't have any problems with that movie like at all.
Speaker 7: So I wasn't surprised that they made another one, and
Speaker 7: I'm not surprised it took them as long as they did.
Speaker 7: The fact is the movie was never getting made unless
Speaker 7: it was Burton and Keaton right. Neither was going to
Speaker 7: make the movie without the other. I am surprised it
Speaker 7: took as long as it did, and I suspect it
Speaker 7: went into production finally because of Jenna or Tega. I
Speaker 7: think once he figured that out and had Goff and
Speaker 7: Miller retool the screenplay to have this daughter character, I
Speaker 7: think that's why we got a movie. Here's the thing, though,
Speaker 7: I think that's unfortunate because I think that character is
Speaker 7: superfluous to the movie that we got. I agree with you, Chris,
Speaker 7: I think this is the best of the Legacy sequels
Speaker 7: that we've seen. I think there's more to recommend this
Speaker 7: movie than not. I think the fan service sucks. I'm
Speaker 7: sorry it's in here, because I think the innovative stuff
Speaker 7: that they do in here is really fun. I like
Speaker 7: all the stuff we spent, all the time we spend
Speaker 7: in the fucking paranormal world, all the ghostly stuff is
Speaker 7: all great. It's so great, in fact, that I wish
Speaker 7: they had just done a reverse to the first film.
Speaker 7: It spent the little time that we spend in the
Speaker 7: human world as opposed to it should have taken place
Speaker 7: entirely in the ghost world, is my point. But having
Speaker 7: said that, and I do have even greater problems with it,
Speaker 7: namely justin Thuru's character. I liked it overall. It was
Speaker 7: a good time. It's when I saw the early trailers
Speaker 7: I was really scared because it seemed like whatever takes
Speaker 7: they were using of Michael Keaton, he seemed really tired,
Speaker 7: and I was worried that this was just going to
Speaker 7: be sad, and it's that was not the case at all.
Speaker 7: There's more of him in this movie than the first film,
Speaker 7: and it's welcome. I wish there was more of it.
Speaker 7: That's my take on Beetlejuice, Beetle Chips. What about you, Mike.
Speaker 5: I don't think I liked it as much as you did.
Speaker 5: I think I liked it, okay, but it just it
Speaker 5: felt scattered. It didn't really feel like there was a
Speaker 5: real clear through line to this.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I'm also a huge fan of the original, saw that
Speaker 5: theatrically back in eighty eight, watched it a ton when
Speaker 5: it was on cable and vahs and just really enjoyed it.
Speaker 5: This one, it, this one almost felt more like a
Speaker 5: Men in Black sequel than a Beetlejuice sequel, especially with
Speaker 5: the Monica Belushi character, who just she gets like what
Speaker 5: two lines maybe during this whole thing, And there were
Speaker 5: times where I was looking at her going is that
Speaker 5: Catherine Zeta Jones from Wednesday? Or is that did Tim
Speaker 5: Burton finally make amends with Alisa Marie and get her back?
Speaker 5: Because he certainly has a type and apparently he and
Speaker 5: Monica Blucci are now dating, which okay, I guess that's
Speaker 5: one of his rules, is that he has to date
Speaker 5: some of the cast members. I was, how and why
Speaker 5: Helena Bonham Carter, who is a fucking fantastic actress, gets
Speaker 5: in here and I love into his world. I should
Speaker 5: say I love Monica Blucci, but she has nothing to
Speaker 5: do in this movie other than walk around, and it
Speaker 5: just felt like there was nothing going on with her,
Speaker 5: and I was like, where is she in relation to
Speaker 5: the rest of these characters. I thought Catherine O'Hara Delia
Speaker 5: had mellowed incredibly over the years, and maybe that's just
Speaker 5: the way that life works. And of course just the
Speaker 5: introduction of the Jeffrey Jones character and that how that
Speaker 5: becomes a thing throughout the whole movie, this corpse walking
Speaker 5: around without a head and with a person doing at
Speaker 5: Jeffrey Jones in person Nation's voice coming out of it.
Speaker 5: Did we even need this? I thought it was nice
Speaker 5: having the sharp shaped tombstone, and I thought the production
Speaker 5: design of this was very good. I don't know if
Speaker 5: we needed the musical act. I guess they were like,
Speaker 5: we did Dio in the first one, so we have
Speaker 5: to do MacArthur Park in this one, and I love
Speaker 5: MacArthur Park, and so this one was perversely enjoyable in
Speaker 5: that part, especially seeing all of the people lip syncing
Speaker 5: MacArthur Park. But and it's such a ridiculous song that
Speaker 5: I think that it fits this perfectly. But I missed
Speaker 5: more of that Danny Elfman score. To your point, this
Speaker 5: is one of his best scores, and I know he
Speaker 5: did music for this, but it just wasn't as present
Speaker 5: as it could have been. There are characters in here
Speaker 5: that just drop in and drop out, like Wollem Dafoe,
Speaker 5: and I just I was like, please, guys, just give
Speaker 5: this another pass or two or three at the typewriter,
Speaker 5: because I think that it could have been way better.
Speaker 9: But to both of your points, if you are here
Speaker 9: or Beetlejuice, I think it satisfies in that regard, right, Yeah,
Speaker 9: Beetlejuice is a tough character.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys read those sequel scripts
Speaker 5: to Beetlejuice, Like there were at least two out there,
Speaker 5: and I know there's probably been more, but's it's a
Speaker 5: tough thing because he's like the shark from Jaws, Like
Speaker 5: you don't want him on screen too much, and it's
Speaker 5: smart to keep him away from things here I am
Speaker 5: complaining about Monica Balucci is too far away from things.
Speaker 5: But I think they give us just the right amount
Speaker 5: of Beetlejuice because too much would have been way even
Speaker 5: more would have been way too much.
Speaker 7: Can I disagree with that?
Speaker 5: Actually?
Speaker 7: Please? Because here's the thing. I honestly wish this had
Speaker 7: been a movie beginning to end Beetlejuice and then he
Speaker 7: has to come to our world to like fucking deal
Speaker 7: with his Monica Balucci problem. Look, I did not in
Speaker 7: any let me deal with Michael Keaton first, because I
Speaker 7: think I was worried too, and everyone keeps saying that
Speaker 7: but little of them goes a long way, which is true.
Speaker 7: And he's in that first movie only like twelve minutes.
Speaker 7: It's the perfect amount, right. But the thing is, the
Speaker 7: human stuff going on in that movie is so fucking
Speaker 7: compelling that having this chaotic character show up every once
Speaker 7: in a while, it's just the right amount in this movie.
Speaker 7: I don't give a fuck about Jenna Ortaegis character, or
Speaker 7: her boyfriend or or anything else swirling around here. There's
Speaker 7: a lot that I really like in the movie, but
Speaker 7: it is, as you said, they needed another pass on
Speaker 7: the screenplay. If this had been a even Okay, putting
Speaker 7: aside my fucking fan fictioning that it should have been
Speaker 7: from Beetlejuice's point of view, it seems to me, and
Speaker 7: maybe I'm crazy, that this at one point was going
Speaker 7: to be a love triangle movie between Lydia, her boyfriend,
Speaker 7: and Beetlejuice. Doesn't it seem like it was constructed.
Speaker 5: That way a little bit?
Speaker 7: Yeah, and not the fucking stupid boob of a character
Speaker 7: that fucking justin Thurrose playing, which, by the way, when
Speaker 7: you do that in a movie like this, you have
Speaker 7: one of our lead characters, one of our most beloved characters,
Speaker 7: fall in love with this fucking moron like it cheapens her,
Speaker 7: Sorry everybody, but making her in love with this boob
Speaker 7: does not aid her character in any way, shape or
Speaker 7: for him. It's really it's hurtful. But if Lyddia had
Speaker 7: been in love with a ghost and she's and this
Speaker 7: other ghost is vying for attention, that could have been
Speaker 7: fucking great. It would have streamlined everything. But no, we
Speaker 7: have to have jan Or take in it because she's
Speaker 7: she's his real new muse in the movie.
Speaker 5: Well, no offense to the actor that played the ex
Speaker 5: husband with all the piranhas on him. But who is he?
Speaker 5: Because I was expecting somebody big to show up. I
Speaker 5: was like, Oh, this guy's got to be at least
Speaker 5: like Pedro Pascal level or something, or somebody who I knew,
Speaker 5: And then this guy shows up, I'm like, uh, okay.
Speaker 7: Yeah, how about Ewan McGregor or somebody Tim Burton's worked with.
Speaker 7: Danny DeVito was a fucking janitor for two second. Give
Speaker 7: us some Johnny Depp.
Speaker 9: Yes, I don't know what to say, Like it's twenty
Speaker 9: twenty four, Give us some Johnny Depp for fuck's sake.
Speaker 1: I don't know they work together enough.
Speaker 7: They sure did.
Speaker 5: And if you're worried about the optics that got rid
Speaker 5: of Jeffrey Jones, I didn't know.
Speaker 7: If they didn't they Here's the thing. Does a claimation
Speaker 7: pedophile somehow.
Speaker 1: Real pedophile?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 7: It's all, But does it not? Does it take you
Speaker 7: out of the movie because it took me out of
Speaker 7: the movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, there's a thing.
Speaker 7: I loved the idea of a flashback being claimation.
Speaker 1: I thought it was great.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it really recalled Cabin Boy because it was
Speaker 5: that same style of animation that was in Cabin Boy.
Speaker 7: But it's just Jeffrey Jones. And I'm like, there's a
Speaker 7: reason he's not in this movie. Guys, they didn't write
Speaker 7: his character as dead for just dramatic purposes, because if
Speaker 7: there had been no scandal, rest is sure Charles Deets
Speaker 7: would be in this movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, still acting weird thirty five years later.
Speaker 5: Well, and she even gives a what's the name of
Speaker 5: the guy that Robert Guley played?
Speaker 7: Oh shit, Maxi Priest.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: They She even says at one point during the funeral, oh,
Speaker 5: was that Matchie Priest?
Speaker 7: And I was like, oh, okay, the.
Speaker 2: No I know that.
Speaker 9: But also, isn't the character in the universe dead? He
Speaker 9: got shot through the roof of the house.
Speaker 7: Oh that's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is.
Speaker 7: We tend not to think of what happened to him,
Speaker 7: but he's most likely dead. He was launched through a
Speaker 7: ceiling of a century old house. By the way, one
Speaker 7: of my favorite bits in the entire movie is after
Speaker 7: Charles's funeral that the house itself is in mourning, that
Speaker 7: they've draped the entire house in black gossamer. I thought
Speaker 7: that was fucking hilarious. That actually made me laugh out loud. Also,
Speaker 7: I wish the trailer had not ruined the child choir
Speaker 7: singing the Banana Boat song because it being sung at
Speaker 7: his funeral. That's the other that made me laugh really
Speaker 7: hard as well.
Speaker 5: I was glad I hadn't seen the trailer. But there
Speaker 5: were several times during the movie where I was like, Oh,
Speaker 5: this has got to be a trailer shot. There's one
Speaker 5: where like the camera's tracking across faces. It might be
Speaker 5: at that funeral, and I was like, Oh, this is
Speaker 5: a trailer shot. And then there's another one where it's
Speaker 5: the City Model and they're inside of the attic and
Speaker 5: somebody comes in and goes, oh wow or whatever. I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: this is totally from the trailer to it.
Speaker 7: He has to be Yeah, you thought that he was gone.
Speaker 7: All you have to do.
Speaker 1: Name Beatles us Beatles. Yeah, pretty much. And we did
Speaker 1: the fucking advertising for this.
Speaker 7: This summer. Michael Keaton returns, Yeah, all right, we're good.
Speaker 5: I'm the Blues with the most Babes, And he's the.
Speaker 1: Best part of this movie other than the practical effects.
Speaker 9: Oh, the practical effects are off the charts, They're great.
Speaker 9: That is the best part of this movie. Ultimately, what
Speaker 9: you will about Beetlejuice as a character. Say what you
Speaker 9: will about your my leg will vary with Beetlejuice, And
Speaker 9: I agree with you, Father Malone.
Speaker 1: Look the first movie.
Speaker 9: It's not that they didn't know what they had, but
Speaker 9: they knew what they had enough to keep beetle Juice
Speaker 9: off the screen so that.
Speaker 1: He didn't get in the way.
Speaker 9: Now I agree it would have benefited them if they
Speaker 9: had just given us more goddamn Beetlejuice and less of
Speaker 9: everything else. Because is it okay to say I don't
Speaker 9: get I get it with Jenna Ortega, but it doesn't
Speaker 9: do anything for me.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Can I say that? Is that
Speaker 1: a thing to say it doesn't do anything for me?
Speaker 9: I would rather watch Kieran Shipka because I think Kieran
Speaker 9: Shipka is what I think Jenna Ortega for a lot
Speaker 9: of people is, which is a very talented young person
Speaker 9: who got their start acting on a TV show that
Speaker 9: was on Netflix or is ostensibly known for it. And
Speaker 9: Kieran Shipka played Sabrina, which much better show than Wednesday
Speaker 9: in a lot of ways. It doesn't have Louis Guzman
Speaker 9: in it, I get it, but I found Sabrina to
Speaker 9: be a much more interesting show that's talking about the
Speaker 9: same things, if not very similar things.
Speaker 7: Look, I fundamentally think that that character should not be
Speaker 7: in the movies for the Goths, baby, and and the
Speaker 7: thing is like, the actual prototypical goth girl is Lydia
Speaker 7: dats like that's where it all begin. The modern goth
Speaker 7: starts with her. There's just no question about that. You've
Speaker 7: got her. We don't need another her. I would have
Speaker 7: appreciated something different. I don't need a little clone of
Speaker 7: Winona Ryder, the sort of brooding team.
Speaker 9: No, it should have been if anything, her kids should
Speaker 9: have been the complete one eighty of her.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 5: She should have been like Wednesday's roommate.
Speaker 1: Whatever, Mom, okay, Mom, I like.
Speaker 9: Would that have been a little on the nose, sir,
Speaker 9: But I think what they did was equally on the nose,
Speaker 9: if not, just as I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 9: I did not think that her character was needed in
Speaker 9: this movie any more than you did, Father Malone. And again,
Speaker 9: I'm also just over the Jenna or take it of it,
Speaker 9: Jenna or take of it all, because she is just
Speaker 9: everywhere now and I have only really seen her.
Speaker 1: Used well in a handful of things. This is not
Speaker 1: one of them.
Speaker 9: She was good in Scream. She's great in Scream. Both
Speaker 9: of those screen movies, she's pretty good. Even a second
Speaker 9: one that's not as good as the first one, but
Speaker 9: she's great in it. But this is not that caliber.
Speaker 9: And again, to your point, it's what's the point of
Speaker 9: having just another version of Winona Ryder on screen that
Speaker 9: now they're competing with each other. That's a good idea, Like, no,
Speaker 9: like it would be like putting another Beetlejuice in the movie.
Speaker 1: Do we really need to do that?
Speaker 9: Do people really not realize how big of a deal
Speaker 9: Lydiadets is in this universe to so many people, like
Speaker 9: you said, Father Malone, like, she's as big of a
Speaker 9: character as Beatlejuice. She's the character that people probably resonate
Speaker 9: more with from these movies than Beatle Juice. Let's be
Speaker 9: honest here, it's the weirdos that like Beatlejuice. It's the
Speaker 9: less weirdos that like Lydia Deats because she's the likable,
Speaker 9: understandable quote unquote character in the first movie, and especially
Speaker 9: for people who were y'all age seeing it at the time.
Speaker 5: Winona Ryder, I don't know if she's trying to do
Speaker 5: an homage to that speech that was given at what
Speaker 5: was it where she had that confused look on her face,
Speaker 5: because that's what she's doing. Every time what's the guy's name, Rory,
Speaker 5: the justin Throw character speaks, she keeps doing that. What
Speaker 5: huh like totally confused.
Speaker 7: I was like, is that is this?
Speaker 5: Are we making a reference now to that? I guess
Speaker 5: that's what's happening. And then, really to your point with
Speaker 5: Jenna Ortega, so much of her story is taken up
Speaker 5: by this Jeremy character, the Arthur Kanti character, who you
Speaker 5: just see all of that stuff coming a mile away.
Speaker 5: As soon as they showed his parents and you didn't
Speaker 5: see their faces, I'm like, oh, okay, they're probably dead
Speaker 5: or their demons or something. And of course Jenna Artaga
Speaker 5: cancy spirits because she is the daughter of lead Lydia
Speaker 5: Dead's okay, I guess this makes sense. And this is
Speaker 5: all within the first few minutes of this character showing up.
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, yeah, no, I have this guy figured out,
Speaker 5: and he's going to be her entree into the underworld.
Speaker 5: I think it would have been better had she had
Speaker 5: a different entree into the underworld. Maybe if that tied
Speaker 5: into the Dolores story, the Monica Baluchi story, Baluchi story,
Speaker 5: there we go something. It just it didn't like I said,
Speaker 5: It just feels like a whole bunch of stuff all
Speaker 5: thrown together, even when it comes to Lydia Deets in
Speaker 5: her psychic program, show me more, give me a little
Speaker 5: bit more of that stuff rather than I'm assuming all
Speaker 5: kinds of stuff with that show. But I really would
Speaker 5: have liked to have seen it, and I would have
Speaker 5: liked to have seen much more of They cut us
Speaker 5: off from before we find out what's going on with
Speaker 5: the little dog and the family. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I want to see what is possessing this house, but no,
Speaker 5: we'll get away from that. I'm like, this could have
Speaker 5: been some high comedy in this area, but instead we
Speaker 5: have to hurry up and get away from it.
Speaker 9: Who would have thunk that this movie would steal from
Speaker 9: the best Ghostbusters sequel ever, Ghostbusters Too. It literally opens
Speaker 9: with hairless cats.
Speaker 6: Weird.
Speaker 9: It's literally that, which to me is this movie dates itself.
Speaker 9: These that's not a thing. This is not a thing anymore.
Speaker 9: Oh they're driving an electric vehicle. Okay, so it's twenty
Speaker 9: twenty four, but a lot of the sentimentality and sensibilities
Speaker 9: of this movie are trapped in nineteen eighty five, still
Speaker 9: in nineteen eighty seven, nineteen eighty nine, Like it feels
Speaker 9: like an eighties movie more so than a lot of
Speaker 9: legacy sequels do, which is fine. I'm not complaining about it,
Speaker 9: but if it's going to be made in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 9: there needs to be a pass for the twenty twenty
Speaker 9: four of it all or the modernity of it all,
Speaker 9: and it doesn't seem to be interested in doing that
Speaker 9: at all, which is fine, I get it. But this
Speaker 9: movie is set in the future, and they're juxtaposing it
Speaker 9: against a time and a place that time doesn't seem
Speaker 9: to exist in, and it just it's so strange to
Speaker 9: me that some of the choices that are made in
Speaker 9: this movie feel like straight out of other eighties movies
Speaker 9: and other eighties sequels that this movie, again is, in
Speaker 9: a lot of ways a comparative to This movie is
Speaker 9: a comparative to Ghostbusters too. Did it take a much
Speaker 9: longer time to come out, Yes, but it is technically
Speaker 9: a sequel to a very successful eighties movie, and it
Speaker 9: literally has a plotline from one of those movies, dragged
Speaker 9: out and thrown right on screen, almost identical to the
Speaker 9: way that that movie opens with one of its main characters.
Speaker 7: I think this is a better movie than Ghostbusters too.
Speaker 7: And as for Martin, but the sort of modern aspect
Speaker 7: of this movie, what are you talking about? The entire
Speaker 7: last third of the movie takes place as a giant
Speaker 7: joke for Soul Training.
Speaker 9: Oh god, yeah, man, I'm a hep cat and I
Speaker 9: can dig it, can't you?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 5: You know, it's wild? I was just like, how many
Speaker 5: of the kids watching this are getting this at all?
Speaker 5: How many as in this theater even know who Don
Speaker 5: Cornelius is.
Speaker 7: Burton obviously has a seventies fat like The Dark Shadows
Speaker 7: was also set in this oh yeah name sort of
Speaker 7: seventies universe. And here's the thing. Had this movie come
Speaker 7: out fucking twenty years ago or in nineteen ninety eight
Speaker 7: or something, then this would all be fantastic, Like it
Speaker 7: would be like groundbreaking in a way.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 7: It's just I loved it. I look, I love a
Speaker 7: soul Train joke. I love that there was a ghostly
Speaker 7: Don Cornelius there. That was all great as far as
Speaker 7: I can tell, but everything seems just a little too
Speaker 7: late to the game. Mike, you mentioned Monica Belu, She
Speaker 7: like she doesn't really get much to do here. I
Speaker 7: would say further, like this character Dolores, who is the
Speaker 7: antagonist of the piece, what we end up with is
Speaker 7: once again a fucking jilted girlfriend or wife, the sort
Speaker 7: of crazy ex girlfriend character, Like she's coming to fucking
Speaker 7: kill because she's a nutcase. But then we get a
Speaker 7: flashback here, so we get to see Beetlejuice before he died.
Speaker 7: We get to see how Beetlejuice died, and she's a murderer.
Speaker 7: She poisons him and kills him, and in turn, before
Speaker 7: he dies, he kills her. And now this movie she's
Speaker 7: out for revenge against him, but she killed him. Yeah, correct,
Speaker 7: So that's her only motivation. And you know, Mike you
Speaker 7: said about Tim Burton like constantly having a type and
Speaker 7: constant this is like this is more Titia mixed with Yeah,
Speaker 7: it's it's the patchwork Girl, but like a more goth version.
Speaker 7: Like when she went into a dry cleaners and started
Speaker 7: like picking off clothes and like turning them black by
Speaker 7: touching them. All I could think about is the sales
Speaker 7: and hot topic. Oh and speaking of that, I am
Speaker 7: very excited to get a lot of undead hot dog
Speaker 7: on a stick girls this Halloween. Very much looking forward
Speaker 7: to it. Thank you, Tim.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I also like you. I find the Afterlife to
Speaker 5: be the most interesting part and really would have liked
Speaker 5: to have had more there. I would have liked to
Speaker 5: have seen more of what Danny DeVito's up to as
Speaker 5: this Jaz character. But they also missed this whole idea,
Speaker 5: and this might have just moved the original movie along,
Speaker 5: the whole idea of when you're in the afterlife, time
Speaker 5: moves differently. There there's the whole thing of oh, you've
Speaker 5: been gone for three months. It's three months. I was
Speaker 5: just there for half an hour, And of course that
Speaker 5: makes it so that, oh, what have the beats is
Speaker 5: done to the house. But at the same time, it's
Speaker 5: come on, guys, and I don't know the the Maitlands
Speaker 5: were supposed to be there for one hundred and twenty
Speaker 5: five years, but we're not seeing them anymore. I guess
Speaker 5: they'll last. So that was odd too. If you stay
Speaker 5: away from the house, you don't have to worry about
Speaker 5: the Maitland part of it.
Speaker 7: But we got to go back to the house. We
Speaker 7: got to do this again. We gotta do that again.
Speaker 5: I'm surprised that they didn't get I know, we've moved
Speaker 5: down from Tony Cox as being the little person of
Speaker 5: choice for Tim Burton, but I'm surprised we didn't get
Speaker 5: deep Roy coming back as like that same little priest
Speaker 5: character from the first movie too, because again we end
Speaker 5: with the marriage. It's again, we're doing this. We're doing
Speaker 5: the marriage again.
Speaker 9: It's a legacy sequel, baby, and we got to do
Speaker 9: the things again. But yeah, where's Alec Baldwin and Geena
Speaker 9: Davis and all this. That's the real one of the
Speaker 9: real big questions I had here, because, like you mentioned,
Speaker 9: Father Malone. The first movie is ostensibly named Beetlejuice, but
Speaker 9: it has him in it as much as Jaws is
Speaker 9: in Jaws. His purpose is needed but not overdone. In
Speaker 9: this movie, they don't even are they even mentioned.
Speaker 5: They are mentioned at one point, okay, so it's just
Speaker 5: says they moved on. I'm like, oh, okay, So.
Speaker 9: In a world where the undead are the most important
Speaker 9: thing that we're talking about in the afterlife is this
Speaker 9: whole thing.
Speaker 1: But they just moved on.
Speaker 9: Okay, it's like they got mudded, like from Indiana Jones
Speaker 9: and Dial Destiny. They pucci themselves. They didn't make it
Speaker 9: back to their home plan and they died on the
Speaker 9: way home, like all right, whatever, fine Will Smith and
Speaker 9: Independence Day Resurgence. He just died off screen. This is
Speaker 9: his son Man legacy sequels. I don't think we should
Speaker 9: be making them if we can't get all the people involved.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 9: Seems like a thing that we should be taking under advisement.
Speaker 9: If we continue to make these, which at this point,
Speaker 9: are there any left to make?
Speaker 7: I guess there are.
Speaker 1: I guess there are.
Speaker 9: But in terms of eighties movies, I think they've run out.
Speaker 9: I think now it's going to be nineties in two thousand.
Speaker 9: But it's got to be because it's got.
Speaker 7: To start.
Speaker 5: Projects fair Speeders, Other Day Off.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Edward Scissor Hands and spoon Feet.
Speaker 5: Forty seven candles, what's the one they are already in?
Speaker 5: Pink Er, the next to last star Fighter. They are
Speaker 5: working at a last star Fighter as far as I know.
Speaker 1: Two pretty too.
Speaker 7: Pink Screeze every last drop of blood from every property
Speaker 7: that's already come before fucking kill them, destroy all the culture.
Speaker 9: So we have to start new, or we could just
Speaker 9: have it at world's end, just an emp grenade set
Speaker 9: off and just destroy all of this. So we have
Speaker 9: to start over and new, because yeah, we've we've really
Speaker 9: worked ourselves into a shoot here in the entertainment industry.
Speaker 9: Because again I mentioned the idea that it took them
Speaker 9: thirty years to realize they could do legacy sequels. We
Speaker 9: didn't need to wait this long for this, And you said,
Speaker 9: Father Billam like, I get where you were getting at.
Speaker 9: I know that they weren't waiting or whatever, and I
Speaker 9: know that Tim Burton and the Michael Keaton of it
Speaker 9: all make this a little bit different than everything else.
Speaker 9: But there was going to be a time where they
Speaker 9: were going to make this without Michael Keaton and Tim Burton.
Speaker 7: Well, that would have been a terrible idea.
Speaker 9: But look at how many sequels got made in the
Speaker 9: eighties and nineties without those primary people to begin with. Yeah,
Speaker 9: I think maybe this movie did benefit from waiting this
Speaker 9: long because now it's put on a pedestal. The spirit
Speaker 9: Halloween of it all does that, the universal studios of
Speaker 9: it all does that, The Beetlejuice is Halloween Review did
Speaker 9: that at Universal Studios. There was plenty of beetlejuice to
Speaker 9: be had in the last thirty five years. It's just
Speaker 9: there was no more beetlejuice to be had in the
Speaker 9: last thirty five years, and so we just drove around
Speaker 9: the same racetrack looking at the same things. Oh, Big
Speaker 9: Ben Parliament, we've seen it a million times. So now
Speaker 9: they're giving us more. I'm surprised that it is taking
Speaker 9: an industry who loves to give more this long to
Speaker 9: give us more of something that they clearly understood, for
Speaker 9: at least the last ten to fifteen years, was a
Speaker 9: thing that people really clearly wanted and were willing to
Speaker 9: spend money on. Because I don't know where you guys
Speaker 9: see the movies, but they had beetlejuice, fucking merch and
Speaker 9: all sorts of shit at the movie theater. I went
Speaker 9: to popcorn buckets and everything else, and by said, when
Speaker 9: I say they had nobody were sold out. They didn't
Speaker 9: have any because everybody bought them. So I don't think
Speaker 9: that this.
Speaker 7: Movie's hurting I nineteen eighty eight until now, the studio
Speaker 7: would have made this movie any year I believe that
Speaker 7: the actual holdouts here are Burton in which is a
Speaker 7: unique situation comparatively to a lot of them. It's your point, yeah,
Speaker 7: But mixed into that is the fact that because of
Speaker 7: this ip fucking madness, they've boxed everyone into fucking corners here.
Speaker 7: It's make this or don't make anything at all. So
Speaker 7: it makes making a Beetlejuice sequel a little more tantalizing.
Speaker 7: Maybe Tim Burton gets to make some other fucking cuckoo
Speaker 7: movie after this. Oh I don't think for me one
Speaker 7: for you type thing.
Speaker 5: I think what he's going to be doing is looking
Speaker 5: for his next maybe TV property to do, or other
Speaker 5: beloved film like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory or Planet
Speaker 5: of the Apes. What else can I ruin for people?
Speaker 1: Did he ruin Planet of the Apes? Or did Planet
Speaker 1: of the Apes ruin itself?
Speaker 5: He ruined Planet of the Apes? That movie is a
Speaker 5: piece of shit. I mean especially compare, yeah, compared to
Speaker 5: the Matt Reeves films, and you're.
Speaker 9: Like, wow, compared, But again that's compared to the Matt
Speaker 9: Reeves films I'm talking about. When it originally came out,
Speaker 9: it was disappointing, yes, but some of those later Planet
Speaker 9: of the Apes movies weren't great anyways, is also my point.
Speaker 5: It was only the fifth one for me was bad
Speaker 5: other than that fourth one, maybe second one, but I
Speaker 5: know some people love the second one. But the fourth
Speaker 5: Planet of the Apes movie is just as strong, if
Speaker 5: not stronger than the third, than the second, and maybe
Speaker 5: even the first.
Speaker 7: Maybe I should rewatch them then I don't remember enjoying
Speaker 7: them all. The Conquest to the Planet of the Apes
Speaker 7: is my favorite. It's like the fifth one in the series,
Speaker 7: or fourth one.
Speaker 5: No, Yeah, conquest is for battle for the Plan of
Speaker 5: the Apes is five. That's where the fifth face off
Speaker 5: against the mole Men. And that's got John Houston as
Speaker 5: the Longgiver and Paul Williams as Virgil. I think his
Speaker 5: name is wasted character.
Speaker 9: But hey, we got some good talk show, late night
Speaker 9: talk show with Paul Williams and Ape an ape outfit
Speaker 9: that showed.
Speaker 5: Show was great.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and hey we got a lot of Beetlejuice doing
Speaker 9: Michael Keaton doing the exact same thing here out of
Speaker 9: playing Beetlejuice and advertising and all sorts of stuff. It's
Speaker 9: for as much as dead Pool and Wolverine was the
Speaker 9: beginning of the summer. This is like the waning days
Speaker 9: of the summer in terms of the big ip. Right,
Speaker 9: Like you asked me what my experience was like in
Speaker 9: the theaters. I went this afternoon and it was fucking full.
Speaker 9: Fuck it, it was full the way Alien Romulus was full.
Speaker 9: And it was not surprised. But when I looked at
Speaker 9: the the ages of the people in there, there were
Speaker 9: children in the theater for this movie, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 9: I was like, wait in a second, here, Beatle Okay,
Speaker 9: it's the Halloween of it all.
Speaker 1: But not not a kids movie either, not really.
Speaker 9: I feel like a kid would watch this movie and
Speaker 9: be bored, because again, there's a lot going on, but
Speaker 9: I don't think it's necessarily a lot going on for
Speaker 9: someone who's seven or eight right now in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 9: and there were those age kids in the movie theater.
Speaker 9: It was where the parents were there. I get it,
Speaker 9: But I don't know. Beetlejuice has been such as been
Speaker 9: kitty kitty ified down to like it's a kiddy thing now.
Speaker 9: The original Beetlejuice never struck me as a kids thing.
Speaker 9: I guess I get where it is now.
Speaker 7: Chris there was cartoon, remember right.
Speaker 9: I don't know how many of the people that I
Speaker 9: know now are watching that cartoon with their kids.
Speaker 7: Though, is my point? All of them, what are you
Speaker 7: talking about?
Speaker 1: I don't know that for a fact, is my point.
Speaker 1: If you know that, it's perfectly fine.
Speaker 9: But when I talk to my friends about Beatle Juice,
Speaker 9: I've never heard them mention the cartoon. They just mentioned
Speaker 9: watching the original movie with their kids. And the original
Speaker 9: movie is again for me, didn't strike me as a
Speaker 9: kids movie. But maybe it is, and I just don't realize.
Speaker 7: It, just knowing the level of fear of Beatle Juice fans,
Speaker 7: just looking at their output on social media, They're watching
Speaker 7: that cartoon with their kids. They're consuming as much Beatle
Speaker 7: Juice as they can with their children. Should we call it?
Speaker 1: Do you?
Speaker 7: How many?
Speaker 9: How many of the kids watching this movie in the
Speaker 9: past weekend were named Lydia?
Speaker 7: You think a good A good lot of them? None
Speaker 7: named Beetlejuice, though I bet hopefully not.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I will be curious if this movie genuinely stands that
Speaker 9: test of time the way the original has. And I
Speaker 9: don't want to say it won't because that's to throw
Speaker 9: it out immediately, But does this have the staying power
Speaker 9: of the original Beatle Juice.
Speaker 7: I'm interested to watch it again. Honestly, I liked it
Speaker 7: that much. I had it sounds like I'm really down
Speaker 7: in this movie. I'm not. I had a really good
Speaker 7: time watching it. It's just that you're stacking it against
Speaker 7: one of the perfect films of the nineteen eighties, right,
Speaker 7: we have to that's the fuck. It's the way it is, Like,
Speaker 7: I really liked that prequel to the Thing, but it's
Speaker 7: nowhere near the league of the original film. Like, yeah,
Speaker 7: it's actually I was thinking about that yesterday. I was
Speaker 7: watching some YouTube videos about it. Was like, you should
Speaker 7: re watch that movie.
Speaker 1: It's not half bad.
Speaker 7: Oh, I like that movie a lot, But is it
Speaker 7: in the same caliber?
Speaker 9: No, we're dear Well, that becomes the question, right, like,
Speaker 9: is our expectation that it should be in the same
Speaker 9: caliber or should do something different?
Speaker 1: Or what's the expectation.
Speaker 7: Maybe five years later? I want it to be perfect.
Speaker 7: That's the thing. If this were ten years later, all
Speaker 7: the faults with that, I'd be like, God, they did
Speaker 7: a really fucking good job considering.
Speaker 9: Well, it's the alien three of it, all, right, Like
Speaker 9: we have fifteen months to make this movie. Why are
Speaker 9: you rushing?
Speaker 1: Why not wait?
Speaker 9: Let David Fincher make the movie, like make a movie here, like,
Speaker 9: don't rush? And yet here we are thirty five years
Speaker 9: later and we're now getting There have been how many
Speaker 9: sequels to Alien since? There have been one sequel to Beatlejuice?
Speaker 9: All of them, literally all of them. Think about that
Speaker 9: for just two fucking seconds. It took this long to
Speaker 9: get a second beal Juice movie. And we've had all
Speaker 9: of the Alien movies since essentially well other than Alien two.
Speaker 9: Other than Alien two. Literally that's it, everybody would agree,
Speaker 9: or the first two best ones that barely get ragged on.
Speaker 9: Everything else beyond that is where your mileage is going
Speaker 9: to vary. But yeah, it took that long to get
Speaker 9: anything else for this, and it's wow. I would put
Speaker 9: this up against all of those as better sequels.
Speaker 7: For the most part.
Speaker 5: I can't believe you guys have talked this long without
Speaker 5: discussing Bob and Question and James or whoever. These other
Speaker 5: guys are rich characters, so good. I guess that Headshrinker
Speaker 5: was very angry at Century twenty one representatives and shrank
Speaker 5: all these guys' heads that I'll have the same yellow jackets.
Speaker 5: What so, Beetlejuice is working in hell now and he
Speaker 5: has office workers. I thought that was an interesting twist.
Speaker 5: I don't know how successful it was. I guess Monica
Speaker 5: Blue she's pretty stupid since she thinks that Bob in
Speaker 5: the Beetlejuice costume is Beetlejuice. But yeah, that was a
Speaker 5: that was a choice too. That's one of those where
Speaker 5: I'm just like, Okay, we could have done something more
Speaker 5: with this, and we even end the film with all
Speaker 5: of the guys except for Bob out in the real world.
Speaker 5: I was really expecting a mid credit teaser or some
Speaker 5: sort of joke sequence with what these guys are up to.
Speaker 5: I thought that would have actually worked out.
Speaker 7: Well yeah, oh okay, well yeah, if that had happened
Speaker 7: like half way through the movie where they just started
Speaker 7: running amuck in the real world, like that could have
Speaker 7: been really really good. As it is now, it just
Speaker 7: feels like fan service, Like you like that fucking headshrinking
Speaker 7: guy right, like, well, here's a lot of them, Like
Speaker 7: what don't I don't need a lot of them.
Speaker 5: Well, apparently Beetlejuice got his head unshrunk, because that's how
Speaker 5: we last see him in the movie.
Speaker 7: I guess that's how you're promoted it in that particular department,
Speaker 7: I liked that. I liked that it was like a
Speaker 7: complaint department where everyone who was answering the phones had
Speaker 7: their mouths so and shut. I thought that was a
Speaker 7: nice metaphor in there. And again everything in the in
Speaker 7: the Afterlife, Like we haven't even mentioned that Willem Dafoe
Speaker 7: is a character in this movie. Is this like eighties
Speaker 7: action star who is often that he's investigating the Monica
Speaker 7: Ballucci character, like he's really going for it. Willem Dafoe
Speaker 7: has never been more excited to be in a movie
Speaker 7: than than this, Like you just I really liked his
Speaker 7: character here.
Speaker 5: The thing I liked the most about his character was
Speaker 5: his assistant who would show up and hand him the
Speaker 5: cup of coffee, and I noticed he crushed it at
Speaker 5: one point, threw it against the wall. And there's this
Speaker 5: whole basket of empty coffee cups that have been crushed,
Speaker 5: and I was hoping that would be a thing that
Speaker 5: he has to crush the cup. But at least she's there,
Speaker 5: and at least there are times where she just shows
Speaker 5: up out of nowhere and hands them a cup of coffee,
Speaker 5: and I really like that. I also really liked the
Speaker 5: use of the Pino Dinagio score at the end when
Speaker 5: it's almost like Wednesday, when it's asterid stream sequence, and
Speaker 5: as soon as that music starts up, I'm just like, Okay,
Speaker 5: so we're doing a carry homage. We're gonna have something
Speaker 5: horrible happen. But then it ends up being the end
Speaker 5: of the fly and I'm just like, oh, this is
Speaker 5: another Geena Davis performance. I'd much rather see than having
Speaker 5: the the baby from Trainspotting show up and crawl across
Speaker 5: the ceiling.
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh, okay, great.
Speaker 1: Little juice Baby. How we five minutes without talking about
Speaker 1: Beetlejuice Baby.
Speaker 5: I know we're gonna get beetlejuice Baby all over hot
Speaker 5: topic this year, and that's gonna be the new thing.
Speaker 5: It's going to crawl and its head will spin around
Speaker 5: and it'll make little noises. Maybe if you pull the string,
Speaker 5: it'll be like I'm the most with the most, babe,
Speaker 5: or something like that will come out of it.
Speaker 1: Do you know what?
Speaker 9: I realized The thing we haven't mentioned that is probably
Speaker 9: the bigger inroad to Beetlejuice Father Malone than even the
Speaker 9: animated cartoon has been for people. At this point, there
Speaker 9: was a musical, Oh my God, I forgot any award
Speaker 9: winning musical that the three of us all forgot about,
Speaker 9: And now we collectively have egg on our faces. Because
Speaker 9: that is why Beetlejuice is so popular now is because
Speaker 9: of it.
Speaker 7: It has toe. I disagree fundamentally it.
Speaker 9: It is a It is a well regarded musical just
Speaker 9: because we don't like it does it But the popularity
Speaker 9: of it makes it easier to stomach something like this.
Speaker 1: I don't ay. I'm not agreeing with it.
Speaker 9: I'm not giving it a pass, but I think it's
Speaker 9: weird how it reverse eats its own tail. It's we're
Speaker 9: going to make a movie that gets made into a
Speaker 9: TV show, that gets made into a musical, and now
Speaker 9: all those things are popular enough to go, Hey, let's
Speaker 9: start eating in reverse and get back to another movie,
Speaker 9: because that's where we are. I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 9: there's another Beetlejuice animated thing that comes out after this
Speaker 9: on Netflix or something, would you guys? At this point,
Speaker 9: we don't know how much money this movie is going
Speaker 9: to ultimately end up making and how successful it's going
Speaker 9: to be. On the other side of this, I know
Speaker 9: Tim Burton has joked that it took thirty five years
Speaker 9: to make Beetlejuice too, and it's going to take another
Speaker 9: hundred to make the next one.
Speaker 1: Lies, fucking lies. Don't lie to us. Don't lie.
Speaker 9: If this movie makes a ton of money, you're going
Speaker 9: to do the next one immediately, because why wouldn't you.
Speaker 9: At this point, I'm not saying this movie is set
Speaker 9: up a sequel, but it didn't leave it completely close
Speaker 9: off at the end. If anything, the ending of the
Speaker 9: movie is a little strange. It ends on a weird
Speaker 9: note with Beetlejuice and Lydia, which could be explored further
Speaker 9: down the road.
Speaker 7: Frankly, a couple of things. I saw an interview with
Speaker 7: win Oda Ryder who said, for all the years it
Speaker 7: took that she had been talking with Burton, whatever they
Speaker 7: would mention that this possibility of a sequel, she would
Speaker 7: always say that in her mind, Lydia should end up
Speaker 7: with Beetle Juice, right, And I completely agree with her.
Speaker 7: And when he woke up next to her in that dream,
Speaker 7: I went Oh my god, are they doing it? But
Speaker 7: they actually, that's great, And then she wakes up again.
Speaker 7: Oh no, it's another horrible dream, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 7: but that could have been interesting. That's something okay. And
Speaker 7: now I would also like to do fundamentally disagree with you, sir.
Speaker 7: A couple of years ago, my wife and I turned
Speaker 7: the front of our place into the Dante's inferner Room
Speaker 7: from the original Beetle Juice. Had nothing to do with
Speaker 7: that fucking musical. Ten years ago I worked at a
Speaker 7: haunted house, a year round haunted house. We did weddings there.
Speaker 7: You have no fucking idea how many Beetlejuice weddings I
Speaker 7: was witnessed to there. That was in twenty twelve. That
Speaker 7: musical is a flash in the pan. Bullshit. It is
Speaker 7: an addendum to be able. It is a product of
Speaker 7: its continued popularity amongst the people it is. It is
Speaker 7: influencing zero.
Speaker 9: I get where you're coming from, and we are at
Speaker 9: log your heads on this, but I think at the
Speaker 9: end of the day, to both of our points, Beetlejuice
Speaker 9: is still in the public conscience one way or another,
Speaker 9: regardless of what it is from. Because people having Beetlejuice
Speaker 9: weddings or again, the amount of stuff at Spirit that
Speaker 9: is Beatlejuice is more than I think anything else at
Speaker 9: Spirit in terms of branded merchandising for a singular movie.
Speaker 9: There are other horror things, but they're not getting as
Speaker 9: much stuff as Beetlejuice does. And I think it's I
Speaker 9: think it's like almost the de facto Halloween movie too
Speaker 9: in a lot of ways, Like it's part of that
Speaker 9: conversation in the what is the you know, we're going
Speaker 9: to talk about all kinds of those movies this year
Speaker 9: in October, But I think this is one of the ones,
Speaker 9: if not like the one clearly they're not. I guess
Speaker 9: the other is hocus Pocus. Really, that's the other thing
Speaker 9: that they have a lot of merchandise for. But that's
Speaker 9: one A and one B of the same coin in
Speaker 9: a lot of ways.
Speaker 5: I imagine if I ran over to hot topic right now,
Speaker 5: if I can find one that, I would find more
Speaker 5: Nightmare before Christmas stuff than I would Beetlejuice stuff.
Speaker 9: No, you would find more Beetle Juice than Night Member
Speaker 9: before Christmas. Night Before Christmas is past a now for
Speaker 9: people my age, it was nightmer Before Christmas. But now
Speaker 9: for younger people, I think Jenna Ortega is that inroad
Speaker 9: to Beetlejuice for them that Liken and ELM's Nightmer Before
Speaker 9: Christmas does not have because it's a it's characters being
Speaker 9: voiced by people, as opposed to oh look it's Wednesday
Speaker 9: Adams again doing that thing.
Speaker 7: There were actually children who grew up on Night Christmas.
Speaker 7: Now it's beneath them. We're looking for the next as
Speaker 7: the slaver, and this is it.
Speaker 9: I'm not sitting here talking about the quality of Beetlejuice
Speaker 9: the musical. I've listened to it. It's fine, it doesn't
Speaker 9: need any of our help. But I think the different
Speaker 9: thing is just like it opened up an avenue for
Speaker 9: Beetlejuice to be popular with a whole group of people.
Speaker 9: I'm not sure they even gave a shit about Beetlejuice. Frankly,
Speaker 9: the statement that it's influential at all is false.
Speaker 7: That's all. That's It's like your opinion, man.
Speaker 5: According to Beetlejuice Broadway dot Com, it's a screamingly funny musical.
Speaker 5: It is a dropping funhouse.
Speaker 1: I heard that it's the best thing you could get
Speaker 1: jerked off to in Denver in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 5: Holy shit, that's oh I missed connection.
Speaker 6: That's right.
Speaker 5: That's the only time I had ever heard of Beetlejuice
Speaker 5: the music right from that news story.
Speaker 1: Holy shit, it sure was for a lot of people.
Speaker 9: It also was Wow, there's a Beetlejuice musical and it's
Speaker 9: good enough for someone to get stroked to.
Speaker 5: So you're saying that we have this legacy sequel. We
Speaker 5: need to thank Lauren Bobert for.
Speaker 7: This, I hope.
Speaker 1: So Wow, there's a lot of black and white all
Speaker 1: over it. I'll accept that that I could get by
Speaker 1: all right, or in front of, or however.
Speaker 7: You want to interpret it.
Speaker 5: It looks like Beetlejuice the Musical is on tour. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: they're going nowhere near Michigan, but they are going to
Speaker 5: be in El Paso in November December. Chris, if you
Speaker 5: want to head down to that in Texas, because I'm
Speaker 5: sure Texas is very close wherever you're at. Actually, they're
Speaker 5: going to be in Toledo in February, so I might
Speaker 5: you know, I.
Speaker 9: Already have my tickets to the other movie based musical
Speaker 9: that's coming through Lincoln this year. Back to the Future
Speaker 9: the Musical the other thing that literally I'm going to
Speaker 9: see it. Of course, not what in God's name is
Speaker 9: wrong with you, but the fact that I had to
Speaker 9: the fact that every time I drive home from Omaha,
Speaker 9: I see a billboard saying check out Back to the
Speaker 9: Future the Musical this summer.
Speaker 1: It's Oh, I'm good, I'm real good.
Speaker 9: And I felt the same way about Beatle Juice. Like
Speaker 9: the opening song for Beetlejuice the Musical is pretty catchy,
Speaker 9: but beyond that, these movie musical things are a dime
Speaker 9: a dozen.
Speaker 1: They really There's.
Speaker 9: American Psycho the Musical, and it wasn't an opera, it
Speaker 9: was a musical musical.
Speaker 1: Wait stop, please get help. Like Michael Jordan.
Speaker 9: Said, I see chimps and that's the best one.
Speaker 1: I love you Doctor Zaias. That's the best one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we have the whole arc. He hates all the chimpanzees,
Speaker 5: but then by the end he loves doctor Sayas.
Speaker 7: That's true.
Speaker 9: I love yous. Been on Yeah, Selm of the Fish,
Speaker 9: great episode of that show. A fish named Selma as
Speaker 9: a fish nat that's right, ye, holy shit.
Speaker 5: Tickets for this musical in Toledo two hundred and ninety
Speaker 5: five dollars a person. I wasn't kidding, Go fuck yourself.
Speaker 7: That's instane DNA.
Speaker 6: That's the cheapest.
Speaker 1: Now you can go all the way after five hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty five.
Speaker 5: This is fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: Beatlejuice in the musical for six hundred dollars.
Speaker 5: Who would want to spend one thousand for two people
Speaker 5: that go see a musical.
Speaker 9: About a movie that you can watch undoubtedly on a
Speaker 9: streaming platform.
Speaker 5: God, this is crazy. Who are these people that buy
Speaker 5: these seats?
Speaker 9: But those are Hamilton prices for Beetlejuice musical quality?
Speaker 5: This is yeah, this is Toledo, man, this is fucking tele.
Speaker 1: It hit us with one might come on? What holy Toledo?
Speaker 7: Oh sorry God.
Speaker 9: I guess that is the ultimate question though with something
Speaker 9: like this, because we have seen legacy sequels take a
Speaker 9: while to come out, and then another movie has come
Speaker 9: out pretty quickly afterwards. We talked about a Ghostbusters sequel
Speaker 9: not being a thing for a long time, and now
Speaker 9: there have been two in the last decade.
Speaker 1: Do y'all think that there will be a third Beetlejuice movie?
Speaker 7: Two?
Speaker 5: I thought, Oh agree? Are you forgetting the all female.
Speaker 9: One talking about canonical one. We're talking about the ones
Speaker 9: that people want to acknowledge. Look, I know that there
Speaker 9: are some people that like that twenty sixteen Ghostbuster movie.
Speaker 9: Have at it.
Speaker 1: I was not talking about that movie, correct.
Speaker 7: I think that it's there's one hundred percent guarantee you
Speaker 7: we're gonna get a Beatle Juice, Beetle Juice, Beetlejuice. And
Speaker 7: if instead Tim Burton wants to give us a television
Speaker 7: series set in the paranormal world, I'm comfortable with that.
Speaker 5: I know that Sylvia Sydney has been gone for a
Speaker 5: long time, but I really would have liked to homage
Speaker 5: to you know, your caseworker. Yeah, it was sad for
Speaker 5: me to not get hurt. Yeah, I just have. I'm
Speaker 5: damning this movie with faint praise, and I do mean damning. Yeah.
Speaker 5: It was all right, but it just I'm not gonna
Speaker 5: be watching this like I watched the first one. I
Speaker 5: went back and rewatched the first one just earlier this week,
Speaker 5: and I still love it, absolutely love it. That joy
Speaker 5: at the end with the other Harry Balafonte song is
Speaker 5: so fun and with Lyddy up there floating in the
Speaker 5: air and all the football players showing up on the steps.
Speaker 5: Everything is so joyous in that movie, and I just
Speaker 5: didn't get the joy in this one, or even the frights.
Speaker 5: Even when Beatle just shows up as that giant snake
Speaker 5: and tries to scare everybody away, I thought that was
Speaker 5: really effective, and I didn't get any of that with
Speaker 5: this Is It because I'm so many years older. Maybe,
Speaker 5: but I just again I felt like it was just
Speaker 5: thrown together.
Speaker 9: Does this movie even attempt to do what that first
Speaker 9: movie does in terms of any horror beats?
Speaker 2: Not really.
Speaker 9: That is a pretty pretty successful horror beat in that
Speaker 9: first movie, The thing with Beetlejuice becoming the handrail on
Speaker 9: the stairwell and then the snake, that scene is pretty
Speaker 9: I remember that scene scaring me as a kid, like
Speaker 9: straight up, because I saw Beetle Juice the first one
Speaker 9: as a kid, and I remember that scene scaring me
Speaker 9: as a kid. I don't think there's anything in this
Speaker 9: that comes close, because again, I think to your point, Mike,
Speaker 9: you put it very aptly. And I think the more
Speaker 9: I've sat here and I've had it on in the
Speaker 9: background and I've just been thinking about it, like the
Speaker 9: Men in Black of it all is really shocking. And
Speaker 9: again I guess it's the whole bureauification of the undead
Speaker 9: experience that translates the one to one to the bureauification
Speaker 9: of the alien experience right with Men in Black. But
Speaker 9: I would spend more time in this world without Beetlejuice.
Speaker 9: It's like I would spend more time in the world
Speaker 9: of Men in Black without Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones.
Speaker 9: The world that they've created is almost more interesting than
Speaker 9: the character. I get that the Beetlejuice character is the
Speaker 9: center of all of this, but he doesn't have to
Speaker 9: be the next thing that they do. They could do
Speaker 9: something else in this world if Tim Burton wanted someone
Speaker 9: else to, because, like you said, botim alone. Tim Burton
Speaker 9: kind of controls the keys to the kingdom on this
Speaker 9: because this is this is like so many things for him,
Speaker 9: his baby clearly, So there you go.
Speaker 5: Please don't sticking to the other side of it, because
Speaker 5: it just so reminds me of I don't know, RIPD
Speaker 5: or some of the other ones where it's just like ah,
Speaker 5: and maybe that's where the Wulm Defoe character was rubbing
Speaker 5: me the wrong way, just that he was Wolf Jackson
Speaker 5: and you barely see the poster behind him. I'm just like,
Speaker 5: I really would have liked to have known more of
Speaker 5: Wolf Jackson and his movies and all these things, and
Speaker 5: just that he's a pompous asshole. Maybe cast somebody younger
Speaker 5: in that role, because I think that would have been
Speaker 5: cool to be like, oh, he's the hip young detective
Speaker 5: type of thing. But seemwol and Dafoe's I was great,
Speaker 5: and seeing has Green exposed was pretty darn cool as well.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it just there are so many bad ways
Speaker 5: that could have gone with this, and I'm glad they
Speaker 5: didn't go as fully bad, even though they had to
Speaker 5: cop out and use the sandworm to destroy the bad
Speaker 5: guy at the end of this, which I'm just like, Okay,
Speaker 5: we just saw that. We just saw that in the
Speaker 5: first movie back in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1: Come on, we need a bit of fans service.
Speaker 9: It's just a lot of fans. We didn't really talk
Speaker 9: about the fan service a whole lot, Father Malone. You
Speaker 9: alluded to it being not great, Like the fan service
Speaker 9: in this movie is fucking bad, like Poller Well, and
Speaker 9: what the question becomes when is fan service not? For
Speaker 9: the most part, I think the times it's not. Are
Speaker 9: the ones we're impressed by more than when they are?
Speaker 9: Because is this more or less intolerable than Ghostbusters Afterlife,
Speaker 9: which I found to be just as intolerable in terms
Speaker 9: of its fan service? Is this for y'all as intolerable
Speaker 9: because I found it to be.
Speaker 7: It's more intolerable in this movie for me because I
Speaker 7: was really enjoying every other as not every other aspect,
Speaker 7: but a lot of this movie. I enjoy ghost of
Speaker 7: it or more than the Ghostbusters movie. I like this movie.
Speaker 7: I'm going to watch this movie again.
Speaker 9: At least the fan service didn't factor into the overall
Speaker 9: conclusion of the movie entirely because having that Harold Ramus
Speaker 9: ghost thing show up at the end of that movie
Speaker 9: will never be a will never be a choice that
Speaker 9: I understand why they made, other than to just fan
Speaker 9: service your movie. Daveus X raymis style. Okay, thank god
Speaker 9: this movie didn't do that and have Jeffrey Jones show
Speaker 9: up as the headless corpse to do something. But the
Speaker 9: Sandworm is a close second.
Speaker 7: It really is.
Speaker 5: When you watch this again, please tell me if anything
Speaker 5: ever becomes of that. I guess he's Portuguese. The Tigre
Speaker 5: I believe it's the character name. He gets hit in
Speaker 5: the head, he dies, he's got the big nod on
Speaker 5: his head. We see him a few times in the
Speaker 5: End of the World, and then he just disappears, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, again, like the headshrink, guys, I'm like, where
Speaker 5: are these guys? I was hoping for more of him.
Speaker 5: I thought he might actually play a part in this,
Speaker 5: but instead, by having him in here several times, it
Speaker 5: draws attention to him, and I don't think we're supposed
Speaker 5: to be paying that much attention.
Speaker 7: To him now. I was going to ask you guys
Speaker 7: as well, if you saw him show up again, like
Speaker 7: maybe he was on the soul train at the very end,
Speaker 7: because it did seem like they were sitting him up
Speaker 7: for a more important character than he was, because he's
Speaker 7: featured a few times, Like I thought he was going
Speaker 7: to be some sort of bumbling character throughout he keeps
Speaker 7: coming up against the bureaucracy of the afterlife. But nope,
Speaker 7: if he's just going to be the way we get
Speaker 7: to the after life, which I thought was clever because
Speaker 7: he falls into an open manhole clever and dies and
Speaker 7: then suddenly we're in the fucking cuckoo all the angles
Speaker 7: and checkerboards world. But then like, well, why go back
Speaker 7: to him at all? If he figures into it, not
Speaker 7: a I wonder if he's if stuff cut out for time.
Speaker 9: I've got to assume that that's what it is, because
Speaker 9: I and again I think it's either cut out for
Speaker 9: time or again a ever changing script that has spent
Speaker 9: thirty five years being written, and who knows how much
Speaker 9: of it. They were like, we'll just leave that in.
Speaker 9: You can be wandering around in the background versus ken.
Speaker 9: We've got a whole sandworm segment where they're on the
Speaker 9: where they're on Jupiter, and here are the sandworms that
Speaker 9: we've seen this before? Is this doing cgi sandworms doesn't
Speaker 9: doesn't help anything here?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: When she gets there and she says, I must conquer
Speaker 5: the worm, I must conquer shi Halued, I was like,
Speaker 5: that's a little on the nose. Doesn't that talk about.
Speaker 1: Fans without rhythm walk without rhythm?
Speaker 7: Both Lydia and Astrid end up on Mars at a
Speaker 7: certain point with the sandworm, and then they come back
Speaker 7: and no time has changed at all, And even a
Speaker 7: moment in that world gave you a few hours of difference.
Speaker 7: Where was that all about? And what I was saying was,
Speaker 7: I'm very, very curious to read the Seth Graham Smith
Speaker 7: version of this script, like the script that they almost made,
Speaker 7: that they kept almost making and then Goff and Miller
Speaker 7: came in and rewrote.
Speaker 5: It for this final was that Beetlejuice in Love?
Speaker 7: Well, look, Seth Maraham Smith is still a creditive writer
Speaker 7: on this movie. So, like I said, I'm curious where
Speaker 7: what his draft was like before they rewrote it, because
Speaker 7: obviously there's enough of his left in it that they
Speaker 7: give him a credit.
Speaker 5: And here I was thinking when I saw Goff's name
Speaker 5: show up, I was just like, oh, he must be
Speaker 5: related to Michael Goff who was Alfred in those two
Speaker 5: Betman films.
Speaker 7: But no, he's not. He This guy was born in Baltimore. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I know. These are the guys who did Wednesday and
Speaker 7: Smallville and the fucking one of those those Jankie Chan
Speaker 7: movies with the Rush Hour Old West No, no, no,
Speaker 7: the Old West Ones, Shanghai Noon and Shanghai Knight. Yeah,
Speaker 7: they wrote those great films, a cinema classics, and then Beatlejuice.
Speaker 9: Yes, gim beetlejuice to these people, please, Yeah, they could
Speaker 9: have given it to Freeberg and Seltzer and did Yeah.
Speaker 7: Thank that for that.
Speaker 5: I want to thank my co host Chris and Father
Speaker 5: Malone for joining me on this episode as we talk
Speaker 5: about beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. But before we head out, Chris, what
Speaker 5: are you working on these days?
Speaker 7: Sir?
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