WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:07.960 Oh ye is bot it's showtime. 2 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:10.560 People say, good money to see this movie. 3 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:13.080 When they go out to a theater, they want cold 4 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:15.919 sodas with a hot popcorn and no monsters. 5 00:00:16.079 --> 00:00:19.160 In the protection booth, everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring. 6 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:20.879 Don it off. 7 00:00:42.640 --> 00:00:53.479 We said, I can't believe Grandpa's dead. 8 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:54.880 That's what's hard. 9 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:57.479 Yeah, sometimes I think life is harder. 10 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:10.159 When I was a teenager, a trickster demon and terrorized 11 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:13.079 our entire family and tried to force me to marry him. 12 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:18.760 I believed he was gone. 13 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:20.879 Forever until you found this in the attic. 14 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:23.040 He's beetle Juice. 15 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:26.280 I don't ever say that name. 16 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:27.040 Beetlejuice. 17 00:01:28.280 --> 00:01:29.959 Oh I am serious. 18 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:36.319 If you say the same three times, he will appear Beetlejuice. 19 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:39.200 The juice is loose. 20 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:43.120 I am going to make you so happy. 21 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:59.040 The living the dead can they coexist? That's what we're 22 00:01:59.079 --> 00:01:59.840 here to find out. 23 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:13.439 Whereas choice, why Beto Juice. 24 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:26.599 Beatle check feel afraid to express yourself? Don't be afraid 25 00:02:26.800 --> 00:02:29.919 you're a figment of my imagination? Really is this a 26 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:31.080 figment of your imagination? 27 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:44.560 Hm hmm. 28 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:53.960 Welcome to the Projection Booth and the culture cast and 29 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:58.159 midnight viewing. We're doing it all, all three of our shows. 30 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:00.759 I am your host, Mike White. Joining me is my 31 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:02.599 other host, Chris Tashue. 32 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:04.639 Nice fucking model. 33 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:11.759 Also joining us is my other host father Alone. Beetlejuice, Okay, whatever, 34 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:16.800 we are back thirty six years after the original. We're 35 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:19.719 back with Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice, and you know what, that third 36 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:21.560 one is going to be called, and they're probably gonna 37 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:24.000 make a third one because this has had a pretty 38 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:28.319 good box office opening. We're back with the sequel to Beetlejuice. 39 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:31.400 It's not Beetlejuice Goes Hawaii or some of the other 40 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:34.240 Beetle Juice movies that had been kicked around over the years. 41 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:37.120 It's not even a feature version of the cartoon. Because 42 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:38.560 they had a cartoon of this. 43 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:39.879 They did it was amazing. 44 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:43.280 Yeah, watch it on Saturday mornings. We are back with 45 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:47.319 some of the cast of the original film. We'll definitely 46 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:51.120 be talking about that. We have a family tragedy that 47 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:54.199 starts this off, and we are introduced to what's kind 48 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:59.159 of a combination of the Wednesday Show mixed with the 49 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:02.719 original Beatle Juice. We will be spoiling this movie as 50 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:05.599 we talk about it, though, I don't think there's a 51 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:08.520 whole lot you can spoil with this one unless you 52 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:11.759 are a huge Richard Harris fan. So we'll get there, 53 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:16.720 trust me. Until then, Chris, what did you think of Beetlejuice? Beetlejuice? 54 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:19.759 I went to Los Angeles earlier in the year and 55 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:23.199 I went to Universal Studios and they had as I 56 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:24.920 was walking out the door, they had a guy a 57 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:28.439 dressed up like Beetlejuice. Get your picture with Beetlejuice. 58 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:28.639 Look. 59 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:32.680 I find the original Beetle Juice probably to be my 60 00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:35.399 favorite Tim Burton movie. I would say it's probably in 61 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:37.560 my top ten or fifteen movies. I think the character 62 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:41.199 of Beetlejuice is one that I resonate with a lot, 63 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:43.560 as I think a lot of people do, because he's 64 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:45.920 a piece of shit, but he's a lovable piece of shit, 65 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:47.000 which makes him at least he. 66 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:47.759 Wasn't the original. 67 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:49.959 I think we'll have plenty to talk about when it 68 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:53.560 comes to this movie and Beetlejuice, But the original I 69 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:56.439 think is a seminal film for me. A lot of 70 00:04:56.480 --> 00:04:58.639 the bits from the first movie are things that like 71 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:01.040 the nice fucking model or that, hey, come here, got 72 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:03.279 some good for you? Come on with the fucking zagnutbar. 73 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:07.519 The original is a classic for a reason. Is this 74 00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:10.759 movie going to hold up to that in the long term? 75 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:13.759 Thirty five years from now, will we be talking about Beetlejuice? 76 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:17.160 Beetlejuice which give them credit? The title is clever, I don't. 77 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:19.240 It is just based on the premise alone of what 78 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:23.040 the framing device of Beetlejuice as a character is. The 79 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:25.399 title of the movie's great beal Juice Goheswainan is the 80 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:27.879 thing we all wanted, obviously for the longest time and 81 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:32.839 still do. But I think if we're talking legacy sequels, 82 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:37.399 which this very much is, I think it's one of 83 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:40.759 the better ones, if not up there with a good 84 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:42.319 example of how you can. 85 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:44.519 Do this, if you want to do this. And that's 86 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:48.759 the thing with this movie for me. Did we need 87 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:50.160 this No? 88 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:54.240 Did we need this earlier than twenty twenty four, Yes, 89 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:55.560 that's the problem. 90 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:56.560 Did we need it now? 91 00:05:56.759 --> 00:05:56.800 No? 92 00:05:57.040 --> 00:05:59.680 Did we need it twenty years ago? Yeah? 93 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:01.680 I kind of think so if we were going to 94 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:04.959 be doing a Beetlejuice movie thirty five fucking years later, 95 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:07.720 did people just wake up that Beetlejuice. 96 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:09.000 Was a character that we wanted to revisit. 97 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:11.839 No, I just I've never understood that the issue with 98 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:14.560 legacy sequels that it took the industry twenty years to 99 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:17.680 wisen up to we have all these things people like, 100 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:20.639 oh my god. Like, it doesn't take people going to 101 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:23.560 Spirit Halloween and buying Beetlejuice shit for you to realize 102 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:27.839 you have one of the more iconic characters that's been created, 103 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:31.199 at least in terms of eighties movies, And it took 104 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:33.959 thirty five years to get to this point for real, Like, 105 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:37.000 it shocks me that we're talking about a Beetlejuice movie 106 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:39.360 in twenty twenty four, not because I didn't think this 107 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:41.399 movie would have ever come out, but because I didn't 108 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:43.199 think it would have taken thirty five years to make 109 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:46.800 a movie about Beetlejuice. Again, given that there was a cartoon, 110 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:49.120 given that the original was so successful, given that we 111 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:52.079 are watching a second one thirty five years later. 112 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:56.920 Beetlejuice has multiple foreign parodies. Let's just put that out there. 113 00:06:57.040 --> 00:07:00.680 There are multiple it's been that long. Edward Penis Hands 114 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:05.800 came out so quickly after the original. Edward Scissorhands. Okay, 115 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:07.920 it makes sense to me that we're not really getting 116 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:10.120 a sequel for that, but maybe we will. Maybe we'll 117 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:13.720 get an Edward Scissorhands too, where we don't explain why 118 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:17.639 Johnny Depp is aged all these years or something. Yeah, 119 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:20.519 how about you, father Mallon, what did you think about Beetlejuice? 120 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:25.879 Beetlejuice. Here's a fun fact, gentlemen. When when Beetlejuice, the 121 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:29.720 original Beetle Juice came out, studios used to do preview nights. 122 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:31.519 They would do it like a week before the film 123 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:34.199 was scheduled to come out, usually on a Thursday, and 124 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:36.240 they would always partner it up with whatever was sort 125 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:39.519 of failing at the box office. In this case, Beetlejuice 126 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:43.800 was partnered up with Police Academy assignment to Miami Beach. 127 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:49.439 And so I attended this special screening of Beetlejuice with 128 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:54.839 HP fellow weirding Way Media mogul HP. That was the 129 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:57.160 first thing we ever went to the movies to see 130 00:07:57.199 --> 00:08:00.839 together as freshmen in high school. And I loved the 131 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:04.240 fucking movie. Obviously went out about the soundtrack, was obsessed 132 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:07.680 with it for years and years and was especially proud 133 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:10.839 because Michael McDowell lived in Medford, which was the town 134 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:14.439 over from my hometown, and wrote Beetlejuice because he hated 135 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.480 his neighbors and wanted to imagine a way to fucking 136 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:20.279 kill them all, and a bio exorcist seemed like a 137 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:24.240 good idea. So that movie hasn't diminished in any way 138 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:26.600 for me over the years. Every time I watch Beetle Juice, 139 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:28.759 it's just as good as when I first watched it. 140 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:31.279 I don't have any problems with that movie like at all. 141 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:34.960 So I wasn't surprised that they made another one, and 142 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:37.919 I'm not surprised it took them as long as they did. 143 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:41.159 The fact is the movie was never getting made unless 144 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:45.000 it was Burton and Keaton right. Neither was going to 145 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:47.399 make the movie without the other. I am surprised it 146 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:51.759 took as long as it did, and I suspect it 147 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:56.440 went into production finally because of Jenna or Tega. I 148 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:59.320 think once he figured that out and had Goff and 149 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:02.759 Miller retool the screenplay to have this daughter character, I 150 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:06.080 think that's why we got a movie. Here's the thing, though, 151 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:10.080 I think that's unfortunate because I think that character is 152 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:13.000 superfluous to the movie that we got. I agree with you, Chris, 153 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:15.120 I think this is the best of the Legacy sequels 154 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:17.960 that we've seen. I think there's more to recommend this 155 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:21.559 movie than not. I think the fan service sucks. I'm 156 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:24.600 sorry it's in here, because I think the innovative stuff 157 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:27.120 that they do in here is really fun. I like 158 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:29.279 all the stuff we spent, all the time we spend 159 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:34.440 in the fucking paranormal world, all the ghostly stuff is 160 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:36.759 all great. It's so great, in fact, that I wish 161 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:38.559 they had just done a reverse to the first film. 162 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:42.480 It spent the little time that we spend in the 163 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:45.080 human world as opposed to it should have taken place 164 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:48.919 entirely in the ghost world, is my point. But having 165 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:52.240 said that, and I do have even greater problems with it, 166 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:56.559 namely justin Thuru's character. I liked it overall. It was 167 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:59.639 a good time. It's when I saw the early trailers 168 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:03.639 I was really scared because it seemed like whatever takes 169 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:06.120 they were using of Michael Keaton, he seemed really tired, 170 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:08.240 and I was worried that this was just going to 171 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:12.240 be sad, and it's that was not the case at all. 172 00:10:12.759 --> 00:10:15.480 There's more of him in this movie than the first film, 173 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:18.039 and it's welcome. I wish there was more of it. 174 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:21.639 That's my take on Beetlejuice, Beetle Chips. What about you, Mike. 175 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:23.960 I don't think I liked it as much as you did. 176 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:26.559 I think I liked it, okay, but it just it 177 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:29.919 felt scattered. It didn't really feel like there was a 178 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:32.559 real clear through line to this. 179 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:33.440 Yeah. 180 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:36.519 I'm also a huge fan of the original, saw that 181 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:40.440 theatrically back in eighty eight, watched it a ton when 182 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:45.080 it was on cable and vahs and just really enjoyed it. 183 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.759 This one, it, this one almost felt more like a 184 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:51.759 Men in Black sequel than a Beetlejuice sequel, especially with 185 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:56.200 the Monica Belushi character, who just she gets like what 186 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:59.240 two lines maybe during this whole thing, And there were 187 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:01.600 times where I was looking at her going is that 188 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:06.679 Catherine Zeta Jones from Wednesday? Or is that did Tim 189 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:10.320 Burton finally make amends with Alisa Marie and get her back? 190 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:12.919 Because he certainly has a type and apparently he and 191 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:17.159 Monica Blucci are now dating, which okay, I guess that's 192 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:18.919 one of his rules, is that he has to date 193 00:11:19.159 --> 00:11:21.840 some of the cast members. I was, how and why 194 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:25.159 Helena Bonham Carter, who is a fucking fantastic actress, gets 195 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:27.639 in here and I love into his world. I should 196 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:30.279 say I love Monica Blucci, but she has nothing to 197 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:34.120 do in this movie other than walk around, and it 198 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:36.080 just felt like there was nothing going on with her, 199 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:38.000 and I was like, where is she in relation to 200 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:41.840 the rest of these characters. I thought Catherine O'Hara Delia 201 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:45.840 had mellowed incredibly over the years, and maybe that's just 202 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:48.799 the way that life works. And of course just the 203 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:52.679 introduction of the Jeffrey Jones character and that how that 204 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:56.279 becomes a thing throughout the whole movie, this corpse walking 205 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:58.919 around without a head and with a person doing at 206 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:01.480 Jeffrey Jones in person Nation's voice coming out of it. 207 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:04.159 Did we even need this? I thought it was nice 208 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:08.519 having the sharp shaped tombstone, and I thought the production 209 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:11.279 design of this was very good. I don't know if 210 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:13.559 we needed the musical act. I guess they were like, 211 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:15.799 we did Dio in the first one, so we have 212 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:19.080 to do MacArthur Park in this one, and I love 213 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:23.879 MacArthur Park, and so this one was perversely enjoyable in 214 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:28.159 that part, especially seeing all of the people lip syncing 215 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:31.279 MacArthur Park. But and it's such a ridiculous song that 216 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:35.399 I think that it fits this perfectly. But I missed 217 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:39.639 more of that Danny Elfman score. To your point, this 218 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:42.279 is one of his best scores, and I know he 219 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:45.919 did music for this, but it just wasn't as present 220 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:48.240 as it could have been. There are characters in here 221 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:50.879 that just drop in and drop out, like Wollem Dafoe, 222 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:53.639 and I just I was like, please, guys, just give 223 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:56.799 this another pass or two or three at the typewriter, 224 00:12:57.159 --> 00:12:59.919 because I think that it could have been way better. 225 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:04.000 But to both of your points, if you are here 226 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:09.759 or Beetlejuice, I think it satisfies in that regard, right, Yeah, 227 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:11.519 Beetlejuice is a tough character. 228 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:14.320 I don't know if you guys read those sequel scripts 229 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:18.120 to Beetlejuice, Like there were at least two out there, 230 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:21.000 and I know there's probably been more, but's it's a 231 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:23.840 tough thing because he's like the shark from Jaws, Like 232 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:27.120 you don't want him on screen too much, and it's 233 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:30.840 smart to keep him away from things here I am 234 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:33.960 complaining about Monica Balucci is too far away from things. 235 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:36.559 But I think they give us just the right amount 236 00:13:36.679 --> 00:13:40.399 of Beetlejuice because too much would have been way even 237 00:13:40.440 --> 00:13:41.600 more would have been way too much. 238 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:43.279 Can I disagree with that? 239 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:43.759 Actually? 240 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:47.919 Please? Because here's the thing. I honestly wish this had 241 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:50.879 been a movie beginning to end Beetlejuice and then he 242 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:53.159 has to come to our world to like fucking deal 243 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:56.279 with his Monica Balucci problem. Look, I did not in 244 00:13:56.399 --> 00:13:58.679 any let me deal with Michael Keaton first, because I 245 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:01.440 think I was worried too, and everyone keeps saying that 246 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:03.440 but little of them goes a long way, which is true. 247 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:06.440 And he's in that first movie only like twelve minutes. 248 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:10.480 It's the perfect amount, right. But the thing is, the 249 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:13.279 human stuff going on in that movie is so fucking 250 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:17.080 compelling that having this chaotic character show up every once 251 00:14:17.080 --> 00:14:19.879 in a while, it's just the right amount in this movie. 252 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:23.120 I don't give a fuck about Jenna Ortaegis character, or 253 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:27.720 her boyfriend or or anything else swirling around here. There's 254 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:29.799 a lot that I really like in the movie, but 255 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:32.320 it is, as you said, they needed another pass on 256 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:35.200 the screenplay. If this had been a even Okay, putting 257 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:37.480 aside my fucking fan fictioning that it should have been 258 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:40.519 from Beetlejuice's point of view, it seems to me, and 259 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:43.000 maybe I'm crazy, that this at one point was going 260 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:46.759 to be a love triangle movie between Lydia, her boyfriend, 261 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:50.559 and Beetlejuice. Doesn't it seem like it was constructed. 262 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:51.879 That way a little bit? 263 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:57.039 Yeah, and not the fucking stupid boob of a character 264 00:14:57.200 --> 00:15:00.480 that fucking justin Thurrose playing, which, by the way, when 265 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:02.559 you do that in a movie like this, you have 266 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:05.559 one of our lead characters, one of our most beloved characters, 267 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:09.320 fall in love with this fucking moron like it cheapens her, 268 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:12.919 Sorry everybody, but making her in love with this boob 269 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:16.000 does not aid her character in any way, shape or 270 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:19.080 for him. It's really it's hurtful. But if Lyddia had 271 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:21.840 been in love with a ghost and she's and this 272 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:24.000 other ghost is vying for attention, that could have been 273 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:27.200 fucking great. It would have streamlined everything. But no, we 274 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:29.279 have to have jan Or take in it because she's 275 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:32.720 she's his real new muse in the movie. 276 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:37.120 Well, no offense to the actor that played the ex 277 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:41.159 husband with all the piranhas on him. But who is he? 278 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:44.279 Because I was expecting somebody big to show up. I 279 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:46.480 was like, Oh, this guy's got to be at least 280 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:51.639 like Pedro Pascal level or something, or somebody who I knew, 281 00:15:51.879 --> 00:15:54.399 And then this guy shows up, I'm like, uh, okay. 282 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:57.360 Yeah, how about Ewan McGregor or somebody Tim Burton's worked with. 283 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:01.000 Danny DeVito was a fucking janitor for two second. Give 284 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:01.879 us some Johnny Depp. 285 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:07.480 Yes, I don't know what to say, Like it's twenty 286 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:09.600 twenty four, Give us some Johnny Depp for fuck's sake. 287 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:11.000 I don't know they work together enough. 288 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:12.320 They sure did. 289 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:15.039 And if you're worried about the optics that got rid 290 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:17.159 of Jeffrey Jones, I didn't know. 291 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:22.279 If they didn't they Here's the thing. Does a claimation 292 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:24.000 pedophile somehow. 293 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:26.039 Real pedophile? 294 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:26.600 Yeah? 295 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:29.000 It's all, But does it not? Does it take you 296 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:30.639 out of the movie because it took me out of 297 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:31.120 the movie. 298 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:32.879 Yeah, sure, there's a thing. 299 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:36.240 I loved the idea of a flashback being claimation. 300 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:37.320 I thought it was great. 301 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:41.000 Oh yeah, it really recalled Cabin Boy because it was 302 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:44.320 that same style of animation that was in Cabin Boy. 303 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:48.320 But it's just Jeffrey Jones. And I'm like, there's a 304 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:50.840 reason he's not in this movie. Guys, they didn't write 305 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:55.279 his character as dead for just dramatic purposes, because if 306 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:58.720 there had been no scandal, rest is sure Charles Deets 307 00:16:58.720 --> 00:16:59.960 would be in this movie. 308 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:03.320 Yeah, still acting weird thirty five years later. 309 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:06.240 Well, and she even gives a what's the name of 310 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:07.839 the guy that Robert Guley played? 311 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:10.200 Oh shit, Maxi Priest. 312 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:10.759 Yeah. 313 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:13.559 They She even says at one point during the funeral, oh, 314 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:14.559 was that Matchie Priest? 315 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:17.279 And I was like, oh, okay, the. 316 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:19.920 No I know that. 317 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:23.039 But also, isn't the character in the universe dead? He 318 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:25.279 got shot through the roof of the house. 319 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:26.400 Oh that's true. 320 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:27.480 Yeah, that is. 321 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:29.920 We tend not to think of what happened to him, 322 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:32.599 but he's most likely dead. He was launched through a 323 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:35.839 ceiling of a century old house. By the way, one 324 00:17:35.839 --> 00:17:38.119 of my favorite bits in the entire movie is after 325 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:41.599 Charles's funeral that the house itself is in mourning, that 326 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:46.000 they've draped the entire house in black gossamer. I thought 327 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:49.839 that was fucking hilarious. That actually made me laugh out loud. Also, 328 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:53.240 I wish the trailer had not ruined the child choir 329 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:57.519 singing the Banana Boat song because it being sung at 330 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:00.480 his funeral. That's the other that made me laugh really 331 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:01.119 hard as well. 332 00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:04.039 I was glad I hadn't seen the trailer. But there 333 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:07.680 were several times during the movie where I was like, Oh, 334 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:09.799 this has got to be a trailer shot. There's one 335 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:13.920 where like the camera's tracking across faces. It might be 336 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:16.079 at that funeral, and I was like, Oh, this is 337 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:18.359 a trailer shot. And then there's another one where it's 338 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:22.680 the City Model and they're inside of the attic and 339 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:25.359 somebody comes in and goes, oh wow or whatever. I'm like, oh, yeah, 340 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:27.160 this is totally from the trailer to it. 341 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:33.920 He has to be Yeah, you thought that he was gone. 342 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:36.160 All you have to do. 343 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:43.000 Name Beatles us Beatles. Yeah, pretty much. And we did 344 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:44.640 the fucking advertising for this. 345 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:50.160 This summer. Michael Keaton returns, Yeah, all right, we're good. 346 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:53.359 I'm the Blues with the most Babes, And he's the. 347 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:56.680 Best part of this movie other than the practical effects. 348 00:18:57.240 --> 00:18:59.720 Oh, the practical effects are off the charts, They're great. 349 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:02.839 That is the best part of this movie. Ultimately, what 350 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:04.960 you will about Beetlejuice as a character. Say what you 351 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:07.079 will about your my leg will vary with Beetlejuice, And 352 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:08.440 I agree with you, Father Malone. 353 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:09.960 Look the first movie. 354 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:11.960 It's not that they didn't know what they had, but 355 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:13.720 they knew what they had enough to keep beetle Juice 356 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:14.400 off the screen so that. 357 00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:15.319 He didn't get in the way. 358 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:18.680 Now I agree it would have benefited them if they 359 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:21.200 had just given us more goddamn Beetlejuice and less of 360 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:25.680 everything else. Because is it okay to say I don't 361 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:28.319 get I get it with Jenna Ortega, but it doesn't 362 00:19:28.359 --> 00:19:29.000 do anything for me. 363 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:31.720 Does that make sense? Can I say that? Is that 364 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:34.200 a thing to say it doesn't do anything for me? 365 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:37.599 I would rather watch Kieran Shipka because I think Kieran 366 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:40.880 Shipka is what I think Jenna Ortega for a lot 367 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:43.920 of people is, which is a very talented young person 368 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:46.799 who got their start acting on a TV show that 369 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:49.519 was on Netflix or is ostensibly known for it. And 370 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:53.119 Kieran Shipka played Sabrina, which much better show than Wednesday 371 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:55.319 in a lot of ways. It doesn't have Louis Guzman 372 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:57.759 in it, I get it, but I found Sabrina to 373 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:00.480 be a much more interesting show that's talking about the 374 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:02.880 same things, if not very similar things. 375 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:08.000 Look, I fundamentally think that that character should not be 376 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:11.119 in the movies for the Goths, baby, and and the 377 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:15.720 thing is like, the actual prototypical goth girl is Lydia 378 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:18.400 dats like that's where it all begin. The modern goth 379 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:21.240 starts with her. There's just no question about that. You've 380 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:25.079 got her. We don't need another her. I would have 381 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:29.119 appreciated something different. I don't need a little clone of 382 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:32.000 Winona Ryder, the sort of brooding team. 383 00:20:32.839 --> 00:20:34.680 No, it should have been if anything, her kids should 384 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:36.160 have been the complete one eighty of her. 385 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:36.440 Right. 386 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:39.319 She should have been like Wednesday's roommate. 387 00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:42.440 Whatever, Mom, okay, Mom, I like. 388 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:43.960 Would that have been a little on the nose, sir, 389 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:47.599 But I think what they did was equally on the nose, 390 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:50.680 if not, just as I don't know, I don't know. 391 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:54.119 I did not think that her character was needed in 392 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:56.119 this movie any more than you did, Father Malone. And again, 393 00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:59.079 I'm also just over the Jenna or take it of it, 394 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:01.160 Jenna or take of it all, because she is just 395 00:21:01.359 --> 00:21:04.599 everywhere now and I have only really seen her. 396 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:07.519 Used well in a handful of things. This is not 397 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:08.079 one of them. 398 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:11.079 She was good in Scream. She's great in Scream. Both 399 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:13.799 of those screen movies, she's pretty good. Even a second 400 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:15.440 one that's not as good as the first one, but 401 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:20.160