Speaker 1: Welcome to episode five fifty two of Dive and Dive.
Speaker 1: It is Monday, June eighth. I am your host, Craig Goldstein,
Speaker 1: joined as usual by Patrick Dubuk and Jeffrey pattern Nostro.
Speaker 1: How was the weekend for everybody?
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time trying to remember which
Speaker 2: Germany World Cup is the best lowth our math house,
Speaker 2: much like Nucklebauman Love.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, this is the SETEA zero Ceroh sorry, I
Speaker 1: think the most successful I'm actually playing. I've I've basically
Speaker 1: given up on eighty two and oh yeah, I have
Speaker 1: not given up.
Speaker 2: On I'm annoyed because now they're doing like they've gone
Speaker 2: too far where like if you do the do the rundown,
Speaker 2: they do it minute by minute, just tell me the
Speaker 2: score and who's scored. Well, you can switch it, thankful,
Speaker 2: I haven't figured out you can.
Speaker 1: You can go to ultra fast or whatever or automatic.
Speaker 1: You don't even have to go to match my match.
Speaker 1: So it is. Yes, there are many.
Speaker 2: I like watching. I like watching it match by match,
Speaker 2: but I don't like the running clock, like.
Speaker 1: Go well, I think it'll do the running clock, but
Speaker 1: if you do it on.
Speaker 2: The ball manager running clock, Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: If you do it on Ultra, it's very fast. So
Speaker 1: I did. I did.
Speaker 2: I should say I did finally get the seventy and
Speaker 2: I got it without we didn't even go to penalties.
Speaker 2: That's time whenever you match straight out. Yeah, I'm very
Speaker 2: proud of having Eric Winalda in my front line too,
Speaker 2: because I had to pick somebody from the ninety four.
Speaker 1: I still I still haven't gotten it from memory because
Speaker 1: frankly I'm not.
Speaker 2: They've added They've added more crops now, they've added more
Speaker 2: cups now where.
Speaker 1: Every single time I get nineteen fifty I'm screwed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're like, there's a lot of Algerian teams.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. But I got to tell you this also,
Speaker 1: like even when I've done the normal, like not from memory,
Speaker 1: I'm losing a nineteen fifty two Scotland in the in
Speaker 1: the quarters or the round of sixteen or whatever, like constantly,
Speaker 1: I don't what is going on. When nineteen two I
Speaker 1: had to ask Bowman, I was like, was nineteen fifty
Speaker 1: two Scotland good? And he was like, no, Like they're
Speaker 1: never good.
Speaker 2: I think they've just had to add some They've added
Speaker 2: some teams where there's like not many good players to
Speaker 2: make it harder, but also just to get teams you
Speaker 2: can beat in the group stage, right, like they needed enough.
Speaker 1: It is absolutely killing me on from memory though, because
Speaker 1: I don't I'm building out my memory by playing it
Speaker 1: the regular way and.
Speaker 2: Left back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's right, and like, okay, that's a name
Speaker 1: I remember that was decent, Like I now have that
Speaker 1: logged in my bank. Yeah, that's basically.
Speaker 2: I was playing three four to three for a while,
Speaker 2: but I enjoy having a palom modinia left back too much,
Speaker 2: so I've gone back to four three three.
Speaker 1: I've been doing. Uh is it is it? Four three
Speaker 1: two one four two three one four.
Speaker 2: Two three one?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I like that. That's why I like playing
Speaker 1: in FIFA.
Speaker 2: Sure. I like having multiple striker options though, just so
Speaker 2: I can you know, there's too many good strikers I do,
Speaker 2: like I saw you showed me one of yours from
Speaker 2: last night, and uh they've added the sixty six Portugal
Speaker 2: team with Usabio. Yes, and Usabio being a ninety five
Speaker 2: is a joke, like he needs to be a ninety
Speaker 2: nine like he was. I know they didn't I know
Speaker 2: they lost in the semis, but like, come on, man,
Speaker 2: I messed World Cup performances of all time.
Speaker 1: I mentioned I was messaging with Dowmon. It was also
Speaker 1: Shocker Salmon, former VP editor, and he was also talking
Speaker 1: about some of the various ratings in there, like and
Speaker 1: they've they did like buff some of them when they
Speaker 1: added sure teams. They've they've made some changes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think one up from at some point.
Speaker 2: I think a couple of points too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Uh why am I the German goalie
Speaker 1: con Well Oliver? It depends on which which was like
Speaker 1: like like not he was like a ninety five instead
Speaker 1: of something and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, soccer was like this is nuts.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, I I'm I'm I still really enjoy it. It
Speaker 1: is fun, A good balance. Eleven guys is like the
Speaker 1: max you should have to pick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, soccer, I just don't. I don't care for it.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I did realize, Okay, I did realize that I I
Speaker 2: am going to a concert during the first World Cup
Speaker 2: game on Friday, which was poor not great planning on
Speaker 2: my part. But that's why it's US Paraguay. Like I'll live.
Speaker 2: There's me a lot of soccer over the next month.
Speaker 1: So that sure is Patrick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a it's like a second Olympics after
Speaker 3: the Olympics that I have to like.
Speaker 1: It's fine.
Speaker 3: I will accept this. It's a socond provice on my part,
Speaker 3: and I hope you guys appreciate it. Like you guys,
Speaker 3: like everyone everyone listening, I'm suffering right now just a
Speaker 3: little bit. Yeah, uh and for your joy, you know,
Speaker 3: I accept that this is.
Speaker 2: My second world cop out obviously in the winner. So
Speaker 2: I gotta figure out. I watched, I watched. I just
Speaker 2: watched much of the games at home. I will try
Speaker 2: to get out. I think one of the good breweries
Speaker 2: that I like is showing most of the games, so
Speaker 2: I'll try to pop out for some games. But again,
Speaker 2: I have a five year old, and they're like, because
Speaker 2: it is in you know, the us Cana in Mexico,
Speaker 2: they're all like what you would consider normal sports watching times,
Speaker 2: which are terrible for me. Yeah, I mean like the
Speaker 2: eleven AM games. I will say part.
Speaker 1: I got my now six year old, Yeah, not much
Speaker 1: different from your five year old. Very much into Argentina.
Speaker 1: I like Shell.
Speaker 2: She'll she likes soccer in the abstract, but will not
Speaker 2: actually sit down and watch soccer with me.
Speaker 1: He enjoyed it. He got into the World Cup, and
Speaker 1: so I'm hoping he gets into it again. We'll see
Speaker 1: about We'll see about the three year old though. That's
Speaker 1: that's gonna be I see. I will say, speaking of
Speaker 1: of having the games, like having the games on I
Speaker 1: this weekend, I took an annual trip to outback steakhouse
Speaker 1: that I do with my wife and a friend. I'm
Speaker 1: a huge app back then. Yeah, uh it was fantastic.
Speaker 1: But I walk in and the there was a wait.
Speaker 1: Was was great to see for me. I just I
Speaker 1: love seeing that. I love I love seeing an outback.
Speaker 2: Equity can't ruin everything.
Speaker 1: And uh so we waited at the at the bar.
Speaker 1: Two baseball games on. When we walk in. Baseball is
Speaker 1: doing great, folks. It was wonderful to see. Now, don't
Speaker 1: think further about the fact that there was absolutely nothing
Speaker 1: else that could possibly be on.
Speaker 2: Oh no, there's a there was the I got it.
Speaker 1: It was Saturday, so there was no there got about.
Speaker 1: There were no NBA finals, no professional tag.
Speaker 2: I got a push notification.
Speaker 1: I did say. I thought maybe the Lumberjack games or
Speaker 1: something would be on, Like who knows.
Speaker 2: I have I have Fox Sports push notification set up
Speaker 2: on my phone. I don't know why. Probably related to
Speaker 2: the last World Cup and just never took them off.
Speaker 2: But they want to let me know that the UFL
Speaker 2: semi final between Louisville and Saint Louis What is what
Speaker 2: is the uf That is the Spring Football League, which
Speaker 2: if used to believe, actually exists.
Speaker 1: Okay, football, got it?
Speaker 2: He getting notifications for it only from my Fox Sports ap.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm mmm, Patrick, anything for your weekend?
Speaker 3: Oh no, that I was very very pure intensive weekend.
Speaker 3: I got a lot of things, a lot of pruning
Speaker 3: this weekend. But I didn't stop at a garage sale
Speaker 3: on the way to a thing for my kid, and
Speaker 3: I got a baseball and uh, there this guy was
Speaker 3: selling two baseball He was.
Speaker 2: Not what is it a yellow baseball?
Speaker 3: No, it's not a yellow baseball. It was yellow wing.
Speaker 3: But this guy in two baseballs and he clearly did
Speaker 3: not know anything about baseball. He did not care about
Speaker 3: it baseball. He was selling them for someone else. They
Speaker 3: were autographed. The first one was Brett Boone and I
Speaker 3: was like, I'll pass. And then the second one just
Speaker 3: had a bunch of like it was it's much more
Speaker 3: weathered and fading and in bad shape. So I was like,
Speaker 3: can you take five bucks for it? Because this was
Speaker 3: day two his garagelle, and he said, fine. The signatures
Speaker 3: on it are a delight. I've decoded most of them,
Speaker 3: but I have a couple left.
Speaker 1: Can I ask like, what do you do with this ball?
Speaker 3: Because crag yeah, I have I have a case. I
Speaker 3: have a small glass case that fits nine baseballs, which
Speaker 3: now I get to replace a baseball that isn't as
Speaker 3: good right as this one?
Speaker 1: Okay, right? So what do you do with that ball?
Speaker 3: That ball of the ninth ball that now the tenth ball?
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I might don't know what happened to your people that
Speaker 2: you drop from the MySpace top six, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly? They just they just disappear. You never think
Speaker 3: about them again.
Speaker 1: Might not shot you. I was never on my oh man.
Speaker 3: So so the signatures on this baseball are kind of
Speaker 3: perfect for me. It's a very lookout landing mid twenty
Speaker 3: tens coded baseball. You've got let's see, let's see. You've
Speaker 3: got Julio Cruz, you got Dave Valley, you got Stephan Romero,
Speaker 3: you got Mike Zanino.
Speaker 1: Stephan Romero. Yeah, that really brings me back.
Speaker 3: You've got Dan Wilson whose signature is fading very very badly,
Speaker 3: like back in the future. Only only one, the only
Speaker 3: one that is baited out. All the other ones are
Speaker 3: perfectly fine. He just used a bad pen. Logan Morrison,
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: I forgot Logan Morrison was a he was bad with
Speaker 2: the Mariners. It was he was bad with the Mariners.
Speaker 2: Then had like the one bounce back with the Marlins,
Speaker 2: and with the Marlins like first he.
Speaker 3: Was okay like most Mariners of the year. He was
Speaker 3: okay for one year, and then they brought him back.
Speaker 2: And he was bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jack's forensic got an actual Jackson. You can't see
Speaker 3: in the light. So there are two signatures left that
Speaker 3: I have not to go to the other one Bradon
Speaker 3: Miller of course, of course. So I've got two signatures
Speaker 3: on here. I will see if.
Speaker 2: It's one of them. Nick Franklin, great question.
Speaker 1: That is the era we're talking.
Speaker 3: No, I checked, Nick Franklin. I've checked all of them.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we're thinking maybe it might be Blake Bevan.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're one of my one of the first annual comments.
Speaker 1: I remember tracing directly to you.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, well the first one I ever wrote, the
Speaker 3: very first annual comment I ever.
Speaker 1: Wrote, that would be very Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping like there were certainly a few names on
Speaker 3: there I was kind of hoping for and like getting
Speaker 3: kind of disappointed they were on there.
Speaker 2: Tom will Will hel Munson, No.
Speaker 3: Tom Wihompson No, justin smoke my wife affectionately nicknamed Jowels. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you know, Blake Bevan be great. I don't think
Speaker 3: this is Blake Bevan.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I think people are.
Speaker 2: Say I'd ask if one of them is Wade Miley,
Speaker 2: but I assume you can just identify his signature immediately.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I don't know. We'll have to find out,
Speaker 3: but we'll see. We'll see what people think. It'll be
Speaker 3: exciting to find out there. We're finding out in real time.
Speaker 3: Someone saying the middle one is James Paxton. I don't
Speaker 3: think that's true. I think that we're gonna check the
Speaker 3: James Paxton autograph resource and oh it might be James Paxton.
Speaker 1: N Actually, oh, well, rather be.
Speaker 3: James Paxton or Brad Miller. I mean, James Paxton's.
Speaker 2: Definitely James Paxton, but he's almost too good for Patrick.
Speaker 3: He's almost, yeah, he's almost.
Speaker 2: It needs to be like Patrick would be happier if
Speaker 2: it was Andrew Moore.
Speaker 3: Actually, I would be very much Andrew Moore. And uh,
Speaker 3: let's see every single catcher.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Clement, Clement. What was his first name, Clement, Jeff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, sadly Jeff Clement did not make it in
Speaker 3: his career until twenty fourteen. Yeah, yeah, that'll be exciting anyway.
Speaker 3: That's mine, that's my manager.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the first stegment of the show.
Speaker 1: Do you know how the West was won? We are
Speaker 1: looking at the Al West. We look at it too much,
Speaker 1: like to be looking at the Al West.
Speaker 2: It's like fascinating in a completely scientific and detached way.
Speaker 1: But you're saying it's it's I think, yeah, I get
Speaker 1: what you're saying. It's a little like a car crash, right,
Speaker 1: like you're looking at it, but but also like I
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to be looking at it.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it like it's also a speaking of
Speaker 2: car crashes, kind of like a Cronenberg film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have one team over five hundred. Yes, it
Speaker 1: is Patrick's Seattle Mariners.
Speaker 3: Well by the time we record this, it'll be a
Speaker 3: day later and they'll figure it out a way to
Speaker 3: lose two games.
Speaker 2: They have a lot sweat three or four.
Speaker 1: Now, yes, they've lost the car seven and three in
Speaker 1: their last ten because they won seven in a row, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then yeah they got mcgonagalld. I was watching
Speaker 3: this on game day on my phone.
Speaker 1: Why you don't have to watch anything involving in Kevin mcgonigald.
Speaker 1: We will get a chat.
Speaker 2: The thing is it was four one going into the ninth, right, yes,
Speaker 2: it was, so it was. It was not a good.
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, so like you know, watching on the
Speaker 3: time delayed.
Speaker 2: Dots, Yeah, and just like and like at back keeps
Speaker 2: getting worse where there's like it won't update for two
Speaker 2: minutes and then like four pitches happen, yes, and then.
Speaker 3: Sometimes the score will update before the event happens.
Speaker 2: Yes. And it tries to do like the like the
Speaker 2: little like Atari thirty two hundred, like top down view
Speaker 2: of where the ball is going and the runners are right.
Speaker 3: I think that's what's slowing everything down. Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 3: it's trying to it's trying to show all the fielders
Speaker 3: and I don't I don't care. I don't care this case.
Speaker 3: In this case, the fielders did tell what happened, because
Speaker 3: before the event showed, all the dots started walking off
Speaker 3: the field.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, but it was Kevin McGonagall.
Speaker 3: It's like, all right, well, I already knew that anyway, right,
Speaker 3: there was no way Kevin McGonagall was not going to
Speaker 3: walk that off. And he did.
Speaker 1: H Yeah, he specifically walked it off.
Speaker 3: Andres Munos, Yes, Andres Munos has had I'm gonna call
Speaker 3: it a trying.
Speaker 1: First few months of the season. Yeah, Patrick, this is
Speaker 1: where I was hoping you would step in.
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know, man, Like the peripherals aren't terrible,
Speaker 3: like he's he is giving up more home runs than
Speaker 3: usual in the sense that he is giving up like
Speaker 3: five times as many home runs as last year, but
Speaker 3: twice as much as his usual rate. He is walking
Speaker 3: about this.
Speaker 1: He has given up four home runs this season, which
Speaker 1: might not sound like a lot he give up to
Speaker 1: all of last year in.
Speaker 2: Forty I mean for by June eight, for any relieve
Speaker 2: or is not, No, it's.
Speaker 1: Not, it's it's basically he he has never given up
Speaker 1: more than six in a season.
Speaker 3: So and like the walk in strikeout rates are thermal. Yep,
Speaker 3: he is giving up twice as many hits as usual.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, before you just call it luck,
Speaker 3: I think he's just like he has no command.
Speaker 1: He has no.
Speaker 3: Command right now, and so he's getting himself in the
Speaker 3: hitters counts constantly.
Speaker 2: And so he got McGonagall came up with whatever guy's
Speaker 2: on the second and third and he threw I think
Speaker 2: was just a backup slider that wasn't close on the
Speaker 2: first patch, and then tried to come in with a
Speaker 2: fastball and like wa Keith thos hard and McGonagall was
Speaker 2: just like, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna pull this at
Speaker 2: the right field.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was the you know, even on like on game damn,
Speaker 3: like all right, this is the pitch in the world
Speaker 3: ahead and just like it's it's been like that for him.
Speaker 3: He is putting himself in these positions where he's constantly
Speaker 3: putting him you know, he's working from behind, and you
Speaker 3: know it's a reliever. He's a reliever, and relievers just
Speaker 3: lose their touch. And when they lose their touch, they
Speaker 3: don't lose it for three stars. They lose it for
Speaker 3: half a season. Because that's the same amount of time.
Speaker 3: And I don't I don't know. I don't think there's
Speaker 3: anything wrong with him. I also wouldn't blame him mariners
Speaker 3: if they took him out of the closer role for
Speaker 3: a while, because he's also like the other problem with
Speaker 3: him is that he's getting killed with the platoons. But
Speaker 3: let's see what's his what is his split right now?
Speaker 3: He's giving him a nine to twelve PST to lefties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at like his year over year numbers,
Speaker 2: and like.
Speaker 1: His his fastball is different, isn't it. I thought I
Speaker 1: saw he was like cutting his fastball that well, let's see.
Speaker 3: I'd have to look that up. He doesn't have a
Speaker 3: traditional career left right split, so this year's is a
Speaker 3: fun new wrinkle.
Speaker 1: So his four seam seen, I'm looking at just a
Speaker 1: year over year Brooks data. Yeah, and it's gone from
Speaker 1: like consistently minus six and a half to seven to
Speaker 1: minus four point five. So it's a couple of inches
Speaker 1: right of movement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gone from like thirteen eleven to thirteen eight basically.
Speaker 2: What I don't know, he's getting less arm side movement. Yes,
Speaker 2: he's I wouldn't say he's cutting it, but he's getting
Speaker 2: less arm side movement.
Speaker 1: Well relative to what it was I think was the idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I mean I think the main like they're
Speaker 2: just hitting his slider a little bit more like it's
Speaker 2: still running a fifty percent with rate, but you know,
Speaker 2: everything's up a little bit, like the twitter points of
Speaker 2: slugging on the slider, one hundred points of slugging on
Speaker 2: the force one who's having to give four home runs
Speaker 2: this early in the season. You know he's always been
Speaker 2: he's been more of a flyball pitcher this year.
Speaker 1: I like.
Speaker 2: The other thing is like is Patrick's point, like everything
Speaker 2: else is fine, Like closers can just have two months
Speaker 2: like this the Beauty of Believers.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, it is two hundred points of selling
Speaker 1: on the slider all the way up to three seventy three.
Speaker 2: I mean it matters is how much he throws that
Speaker 2: slider right like that it does.
Speaker 1: It does, but also the it's the fastball, right, I
Speaker 1: mean it is three sixty seven average and five sixty
Speaker 1: seven slot on the fastball.
Speaker 2: In the command Like there's a lot of red in
Speaker 2: the zone and he throws very hard, but that's not
Speaker 2: a great fastball. Shape as we've already run over even
Speaker 2: from his angle and extension and again, but this is
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, he said two months of giving up
Speaker 2: a couple extra home runs, right, I mean, yeah, yesterday
Speaker 2: was a full um blow up in a way that's
Speaker 2: not just like, okay, a bloop and a blast, But.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think the issue is it's not
Speaker 1: it's it's not just a couple of extra home runs, right,
Speaker 1: it's the extra home runs along with this other stuff. Right.
Speaker 2: And he's the guy that does he like the trivirals
Speaker 2: are about the same, but he does walk guys like
Speaker 2: is the command Like he's going to be a guy
Speaker 2: that walks four for nine, right, But he's going to
Speaker 2: put traving on. But he's usually going to strike out
Speaker 2: enough guys that's not going to matter, right.
Speaker 1: And if you're giving up, if you're gonna put guys
Speaker 1: on and then start giving up hits, and especially if
Speaker 1: those hits are home.
Speaker 2: Runs, like right, I would be I don't yeah, right.
Speaker 3: And the options right, like Edward Bizardo is still good.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say I'm like surprised by that,
Speaker 1: but they used him, so I'm not surprised. On a
Speaker 1: talent basis. I'm a surprised. I'm surprised. I'm like, just
Speaker 1: wear and tear that he's like come back as good
Speaker 1: as he has.
Speaker 3: Jose Ferre has been excellent. I wouldn't necessarily put him
Speaker 3: in the closer role, but you could.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lefty, I mean left the specialist. He's very good.
Speaker 3: He's very good, but you know, also ground balls, you know.
Speaker 2: Right a Gabe Spire, Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's been too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's yeah. I mean they they don't need like,
Speaker 3: they're not so desperate they need to ride him out
Speaker 3: on this that they want. If they want to give.
Speaker 2: Him a break, they give him a blow for a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks too. I guess, like.
Speaker 1: Again, they don't want to, they want me.
Speaker 3: I don't think Dan Wilson wants to. I don't think
Speaker 3: Dan Wilson. I think Dan Wilson likes to have a
Speaker 3: you know, make things a little using for himself in
Speaker 3: terms of like the owner of the bullpen, right, I
Speaker 3: don't think he is at the point where he is
Speaker 3: able to juggle them as much as maybe maximizing when
Speaker 3: called for.
Speaker 2: Right behind them, I do before before we move on,
Speaker 2: I because I had it open. I have a question
Speaker 2: for Patrick who made the most starts to the twenty
Speaker 2: seventeen Mariners twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: Uh, and so that's that's the era. When I stopped,
Speaker 3: I saw the name, like I have to ask you.
Speaker 3: That feels like a I mean, that's oh god, that's like,
Speaker 3: is that one of the years that James Paxton is healthy?
Speaker 2: Like it is, but it's not James Paxton.
Speaker 3: Oh, okayo made healthy?
Speaker 2: I should I mad? Like twenty five starts, that's.
Speaker 1: That's no idea.
Speaker 3: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Well, James Paxton's.
Speaker 2: Season, Yeah, I have no idea. James Paxton made the
Speaker 2: second most starts. He made twenty four starts.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: The most starts on that team was Ario Miranda.
Speaker 3: And that's team was not terrible.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I was sitting down.
Speaker 2: There's seventy eight one team. Here. Here are the Ario
Speaker 2: Miranda twenty nine starts, James Paxton twenty four, Giovanni Gallardo
Speaker 2: twenty two. Do not remember the Yovanni era. It's not good.
Speaker 2: Felix Hernandez sixteen.
Speaker 3: That was that was at the end.
Speaker 2: Uh. Sam Gavagilo made eleven. Nope, yep, and you remember
Speaker 2: this one, Craig eleven starts for Resmo Ramirez.
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, the fine eleven starts at that yea, yeah,
Speaker 3: sub for e r Although go down to go down
Speaker 3: the number seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have also Andrew Moore and Christian Bergman. Yeah,
Speaker 2: got a lot of people made it starts Marco Gonzale.
Speaker 2: Seven starts Mike Leek. Five starts the sashi Ya Kuma
Speaker 2: six stars chased DeJong. I haven't seen his name in
Speaker 2: a while.
Speaker 1: Four starts.
Speaker 3: All right, Dylan overs in one time.
Speaker 1: I'm moving us on. Yeah, a second place in the division.
Speaker 1: We will travel maybe, I guess in reverse.
Speaker 3: In some way shape from the Yovanni Guyardo career path.
Speaker 1: Another team he played for. Yeah, I do remember that,
Speaker 1: the Texas Rangers. They're like under five hundred place in
Speaker 1: this division. They are thirty two and thirty three. They
Speaker 1: are also seven and three in their last ten. There's
Speaker 1: getting more healthy, Jacob Duram, it's unfair.
Speaker 2: De gram is kind of having the Andrea's Moonio season
Speaker 2: where he's giving up too many home runs, but he
Speaker 2: doesn't walk anybody, so his areas in the low threes.
Speaker 2: But really it's been the lineup, like every time we
Speaker 2: do this segment, every time we talk about the Rangers,
Speaker 2: which is not that often, but it's been a few
Speaker 2: times this year. I checked to see if Josh Young
Speaker 2: is so healthy and he still is. He's played sixty
Speaker 2: games year. Has he guil durand still been good? Future
Speaker 2: All Star second baseman? Is he guild Duran? I?
Speaker 1: Well so, I mean Patriolla does this every year, right
Speaker 1: as the voting becomes available and he updates it.
Speaker 2: In all this, there's a lot of games to play
Speaker 2: until the All Star break.
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to shoot on Duran who has
Speaker 1: a one thirty five ops plus, but like the state
Speaker 1: of second base in the American League is dire. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think it is.
Speaker 2: And you know what I say to that, Craig never wrong,
Speaker 2: just early.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, he's having a great year, yea, he is.
Speaker 1: Essentially it feels like he has a mon star. Josh H.
Speaker 1: Smith is Josh Smith.
Speaker 2: That's one of those two where like I don't think
Speaker 2: people realize how dog shit a park that is the
Speaker 2: hidden It's yeah, like there he's at like an eights,
Speaker 2: Like he's been good, but that's like thirty five percent
Speaker 2: better than the gaverage because of the stadium he plays
Speaker 2: in his home game, right, but.
Speaker 3: We can can stop the Josh Smith, right, Josh, that's
Speaker 3: just what he is. No, I know it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying with you.
Speaker 3: I'm saying we all can just just Josh at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 3: fair enough, he's Yeah, he'll probably like at this point,
Speaker 3: does he played left?
Speaker 1: He's been hurt. He's hurt, but so it's also awful.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's the part of the monstring thing is it's not
Speaker 1: just that someone else's is like you, it's your shit
Speaker 1: doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Jack Peterson having.
Speaker 2: The having the Jack Peterson complimentary.
Speaker 1: This park, you know, you look at two thirty eight,
Speaker 1: three forty seven, four thirty nine doesn't seem so great,
Speaker 1: but it is a rough park. Wyatt Langford just came
Speaker 1: back off the I l like you say, it's the lineup,
Speaker 1: but the lineup.
Speaker 2: Is I mean, it's got Josh Young and Zekio Duran carry,
Speaker 2: which is not great but also the.
Speaker 3: Most still has decent seasonal numbers, but it's has been working.
Speaker 1: He got off a very strong start.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's under four hundred now.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: He's also banged up because he's always banged up this
Speaker 2: time of year, and like the ground, the pitching hasn't
Speaker 2: been like Kumar Rocker has been surprisingly their second best
Speaker 2: pitcher on like the basics by r process sure, like
Speaker 2: hasn't been great. Lighter hasn't had a really bad start
Speaker 2: to the year.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's generally been fine Lighter and Gore.
Speaker 1: It's just that it's it's amazing that, like they they
Speaker 1: got Mackenzie Gore, and it's just you've collected a left
Speaker 1: handed Jack Lighter. Yes, yeah, like I don't it's the
Speaker 1: process stuff is He's that's unfair.
Speaker 2: He's better than Lighter, but like better than Lighter, But
Speaker 2: given what they traded for him, you would hope for
Speaker 2: more better than a low four c R right at
Speaker 2: this Yeah, at this point, and I mean, like we
Speaker 2: are to be clear, we are describing what is basically
Speaker 2: a five hundred team. Yeah, as a five hundred I.
Speaker 3: Feel like they've had a lot of injuries.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is.
Speaker 3: Not a team where they've had everything go right to
Speaker 3: get to five hundred. They could have been more, they
Speaker 3: could be more. Yeah, but given the amount of like this,
Speaker 3: this seems fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like again, like the I know, last time we
Speaker 2: did this fairly recently. I think during the Marriors win streak,
Speaker 2: like they're just gonna run away with this division now,
Speaker 2: and they're kind of like they're still not again. It's
Speaker 2: only been a couple.
Speaker 1: Of weeks now, but I think they will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess. No, I don't know, man, we're
Speaker 2: getting clothed. Like in some ways, the Rangers have the
Speaker 2: easier roster fixes if they want to go on the
Speaker 2: trade market. They also don't have much to trade, and
Speaker 2: we know Jerry Depoto will be active because he just
Speaker 2: has to be. It's intrinsic part of being Jerry to
Speaker 2: Poto is wants to trade start happening. He's gotta he's
Speaker 2: got to get involved.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I get like the Mariners are the
Speaker 2: better team, right if you look at their and they.
Speaker 1: Have gotten yeah, twenty five innings of two point one nine.
Speaker 2: Jacob Lats chat from No from Quandrille.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, Jacob Latts. I think it's not this good,
Speaker 1: but I think it's fine.
Speaker 2: The Jacob's, the Jake Janis and the Jake.
Speaker 1: Jenis and Jake Jake Latts combo is absolutely deadly.
Speaker 2: My two Jakes exactly.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I I mean, I I just don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's enough here, and I don't think there's enough
Speaker 1: to draw, like they've already gone to Justin Foscue. They've gone,
Speaker 1: you know, like I.
Speaker 2: Don't, I mean, they're yeah, they've been a little bit
Speaker 2: about leavadage of the lineup just because Evan Carter and
Speaker 2: Seeger have been so bad and you already mentioned Josh Smith.
Speaker 2: The catching situation, I guess Skushi Oak has been fine,
Speaker 2: but like the catching situation isn't great either, And yeah
Speaker 2: you're like that, like, yeah, the pen's been quite good
Speaker 2: good frankly, yeah, yeah, but it's going to be allowed.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I don't like who am I
Speaker 2: to doubt Jake Junis, I guess, but like I don't, look,
Speaker 2: I don't know if Lats and Junis will do this,
Speaker 2: but like Tyler Alexander and Jalen Beaks are both fine
Speaker 2: and like they have guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think the better argument for this
Speaker 1: bullpen is that Chris Martin and Robert Garcia will be
Speaker 1: healthy at some point, I mean, I guess, and they're
Speaker 1: actually pretty decent.
Speaker 2: We keep saying the Mariners are going to eventually run
Speaker 2: away with this division. But they every week they don't
Speaker 2: kick it in the year, like it gives yeah, but
Speaker 2: a chance to yeah.
Speaker 1: But who Yeah, I don't think we'll just even if
Speaker 1: they don't run away, like they're gonna slowly pull away
Speaker 1: even through their own incompetence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd be mine to me. With the Rangers, I
Speaker 3: think what it is is that you have a lot
Speaker 3: of players with one twenty five ops pluses, with one
Speaker 3: oh five trc pluses, sure, and a lot of guys
Speaker 3: with like actually eighty five, Like DRC does not buy
Speaker 3: this offense at all, and like, to be fair, some
Speaker 3: of that is just the way that DRC feels about
Speaker 3: the way that Texas hits, like Ezekiel Durant is never
Speaker 3: gonna be beloved because he's a high contact Yeah, variants
Speaker 3: guide but like yeah, you like they've gotten here with
Speaker 3: you know, a one twenty six ops from from Justin Boscue,
Speaker 3: Like they've got they've gotten this with the Josh Young
Speaker 3: you know first.
Speaker 1: Half, Like what what happens when he.
Speaker 3: Heart Yeah, Evan Carter, you know, like well Evin Carter
Speaker 3: seven Carter, but John Peterson, you're getting a night Evan.
Speaker 1: Carter has an eighty two OPS plus and he's hitting
Speaker 1: one seventy two. Yeah yeah, like if he could hit
Speaker 1: at all, he'd be very good.
Speaker 2: Right yeah.
Speaker 3: I to me, it feels like with the injuries there's
Speaker 3: more negative regression. He's got Corey Seeker who is still
Speaker 3: hitting one eighty three himself, so you're gonna get some
Speaker 3: mouse back there. But uh, there's a lot of guys.
Speaker 3: It's crazy how many guys are hitting below two hundred
Speaker 3: and none of them are Jock Peters. Oh, which is weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that again, The argument today is like
Speaker 1: Corey Seeker is not going to hit one eighty three
Speaker 1: for the whole season, right Like, if he's healthy, he should.
Speaker 1: He's always been a incredible production when healthy guy, so
Speaker 1: you would generally assume that would. But it's not enough.
Speaker 1: It's not enough. I don't see it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do you want to go to the A's. Sure the
Speaker 1: A's can hit y. Pitching is another story.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny they actually have a better YA plus.
Speaker 2: I don't the S plus, which I would not have guessed.
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of that is the adjustment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the one year park factor on b
Speaker 2: f is one twenty, so yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Forty three run differential. I should note the Rangers are
Speaker 1: at plus fourteen, so they're they're doing okay.
Speaker 3: Uh, the athletics are not. Shaye Langeleiers is repeating his success.
Speaker 1: Again. Some of this is the park, but repeating his
Speaker 1: success the power is not surprising. Nick Kurtz is fine. Uh,
Speaker 1: he is striking out an unconsortable amount. He is walking
Speaker 1: an unconscionable.
Speaker 2: Amount sitting for more power. Yep, we're past the recently. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're past than I think we've gotten over the Nick
Speaker 2: Johnson line. At least the power is coming.
Speaker 3: He is.
Speaker 1: He is just shy of a five hundred slug at
Speaker 1: this point, which, again for that park, is not necessarily Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Carlos Cortes has a for eighty four slug,
Speaker 1: Nick yes has a ninety four.
Speaker 2: Are moving in opposite directions?
Speaker 1: Yes, sure, I'm just saying, well.
Speaker 2: I mean part of the like this is very much
Speaker 2: like a Stars and Scrubs lineup. Yeah, even on like
Speaker 2: I don't like, maybe I'm being mean to some of
Speaker 2: the scrubs, but like on performance right, like Jack McNeil
Speaker 2: is a sixty eight oh ps plus, Lawrence Butler's thirty seven.
Speaker 2: Brent Rooker is eighty four. You know, Brent Rooker is
Speaker 2: just hitting two six with two eighty four on base.
Speaker 1: Percentage, right, yeah, and Soda Strum is not so has
Speaker 1: been okay, like he's been fine, but like for them
Speaker 1: to not have soder Strum or Rooker.
Speaker 2: Hitting yeah, right, And then the pitching has had a
Speaker 2: lot of injuries.
Speaker 1: Severino is out out, yeah, Jacob Lopez off the Rosterali's out. Yeah.
Speaker 2: They called up gate Jump, who I think is good.
Speaker 1: Someone made a comment to us recently about how we
Speaker 1: say somebody is it is it is? It is? Okay,
Speaker 1: I've been saying, I said Saville at some.
Speaker 2: Point it's civil, civilly civil. The SIV is capitalized, so
Speaker 2: maybe it's maybe it's civilly.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know how I feel about that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's that's that's a struggle for me.
Speaker 3: Keep laughing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 1: Thought, we're not we're not getting better.
Speaker 2: JT Jin has been quite good. Yeah, I don't know that.
Speaker 2: I I mean he's a sinkerballer, which I guess helps.
Speaker 2: He's also, as Patrick will point out, uh, he has
Speaker 2: he has his hits for nine is in bold font. Yes,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: That's something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's six for nine, so that means it is
Speaker 2: the lowest qualified pictures of qualified pictures. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: He has a again I don't missing.
Speaker 1: I mean he's missing a decent amount of again someone who's.
Speaker 3: But he's also only getting so he's not even.
Speaker 2: Uh Yeah, Jeff Springs has been healthy and again like
Speaker 2: he has a four point three seven e R which
Speaker 2: is and that sounds about right. Yeah, so it's a
Speaker 2: slightly above hour so and their bullpen has been all
Speaker 2: right again considering the part context.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's you're saying JT Jim, but
Speaker 1: Gage Jump is probably the most interesting. Yeah pitcher. Now
Speaker 1: that he's here, yep, he's made three starts, eighteen innings,
Speaker 1: only thirteen strikeouts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I think the strikeouts will come.
Speaker 2: I'm not super worried about that. I just like they
Speaker 2: have some easy holes to fill that could help them
Speaker 2: a lot, and they just do not have the bullets
Speaker 2: to fire here. Yeah, Like I don't like Leo DeVries
Speaker 2: is still probably a year away, and then like past that,
Speaker 2: it get it's like they called up Henry Boltay, and
Speaker 2: he's been all right for you know, he is a
Speaker 2: obp over slugs, which is fine.
Speaker 1: Like they it's been a hit for Power.
Speaker 2: You're thinking of Power. But he's like a useful player.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Max Month's the other Max Month. He's hurt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he had been all right. Like they really
Speaker 2: need they really need like Brent Rooker to be Brent
Speaker 2: Brooker or Lawrence Butler to be better for this because
Speaker 2: they're pitching hasn't Like I think they're just going to
Speaker 2: run out of bullets. It's a it's a long hot
Speaker 2: summer in West Sacramento, and I think that pitch.
Speaker 1: We're just we're in are we in late early June
Speaker 1: or are we in early mid June?
Speaker 2: We are we're in late early or late early June.
Speaker 2: It's still a single digit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, that gives me so joy. That's good, it
Speaker 1: really does. I think that sums out it's going to
Speaker 1: come down to Rooker and to maybe a lesser extent
Speaker 1: from kind of McNeil.
Speaker 2: Like that group.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't believe in Butler, but sure like thirty
Speaker 1: seven ops plus like I can get come fair enough.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the astros.
Speaker 2: Yeah, We talked about them recently too, and it's kind
Speaker 2: of they are four and a half back, yeah, because
Speaker 2: they they have been slightly above five hundred the last
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, and.
Speaker 1: They and and only three back in the wildcard.
Speaker 2: Three back from the Rangers in the wildcard for the
Speaker 2: third wildcard spot. Ay, there can we just take a
Speaker 2: moment type out Jordan Alvarez, like, what's I mean, my god,
Speaker 2: getting like the full healthy season.
Speaker 1: The man is just sixteen. He feels the most six fifty.
Speaker 2: He feels almost somehow underrated still and I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: like again, this has been the.
Speaker 1: I mean he is I think I'm sure I've said
Speaker 1: this story. He's he's standos to me right, Like it's like, guy,
Speaker 1: you should not be able to hit yeah for that
Speaker 1: much power and swing and miss that little Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know how you get him out.
Speaker 2: I know he was like hurt last year and like
Speaker 2: if we're just say underrated, he got MVV votes in
Speaker 2: the previous three seasons.
Speaker 3: But how many seasons in his career I have I'm
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the ASTRO season page.
Speaker 1: How many seasons in his career has he had slugging
Speaker 1: over six hundred.
Speaker 2: This would full. I mean he came up in the
Speaker 2: half season twenty nineteen, was six fifty five, was six
Speaker 2: thirteen in his twenty twenty two and it's six fifteenth
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 3: It's that's still yeah, yees, yeah, I like that. Like
Speaker 3: so it's triple crown. You know, he is the closest
Speaker 3: thing we're gonna get to twitchriple Crown watch this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He is currently sixth's that's in the league. Let me
Speaker 3: let me look at like for the American League, he
Speaker 3: is a second in batting average behind yond Ds. He
Speaker 3: is leading the league in home runs and RBI. If
Speaker 3: you look at the slash line, he is leading in
Speaker 3: slugging percentage. Obviously, he is not leading OBP because he
Speaker 3: is percentage points behind Nick Kurtz. They're both at four
Speaker 3: thirty one. He could do it and the Astros could
Speaker 3: finished hundred five hundred.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just still doing it. Yeah, yeah, they seem it's
Speaker 2: again it's not a bad lineup. Again. They their outfield
Speaker 2: remains a huge issue, as it does pretty much every
Speaker 2: year recently. Their best outfielder by OPS plus is, of course,
Speaker 2: Taylor Tromal ninety seven three fifty seven three ninety one
Speaker 2: with a right Yeah, strike out right, and I should
Speaker 2: say anyha likes like Spencer Ragedy's not been great recently.
Speaker 2: They're getting he threw his first clutter, he threw his
Speaker 2: first clunkert he's been really he's walking five per nine.
Speaker 3: But he had a four run, four inning. Yeah start
Speaker 3: against the Pirates.
Speaker 2: They're getting Hunter Hunter Brown is probably making his last
Speaker 2: rehab start this each will have him back soon. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I guess they just have a spot because
Speaker 2: mccolors is on me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have a couple of spots they have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have spots. They can move kiway Tying back
Speaker 2: to the bullpen like Burrows is like, yeah they could just.
Speaker 3: He is leading and earn runs and home runs.
Speaker 2: You're gonna let Tom I keep working it out. I
Speaker 2: guess fine, Yeah they have break. Burrows could use a break. Yeah,
Speaker 2: uh yeah, I just yeah, we don't spend that much
Speaker 2: time on the astros. I feel like I want to
Speaker 2: talk about Jordan, So yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Lamont Waite Junior is here.
Speaker 2: Yeah he came up and yeah he had a good game,
Speaker 2: did they So I guess now that he's back healthy
Speaker 2: and hitting did they trade Pain yet the deadline? I mean,
Speaker 2: you make him available, like he's gonna be by far
Speaker 2: the best hit her to see that you get a
Speaker 2: season plus on the and that like the Braves could.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know Dubond's been fine and Jorge Mateo
Speaker 2: has been good, which we'll get to in a minute,
Speaker 2: but like I feel like I.
Speaker 3: Don't feel like they should but also I feel like
Speaker 3: they should have, ye know, like figured out the situation
Speaker 3: right now. Yeah, alto eight being kind of looking like
Speaker 3: he might be done, it's not helping, right because you know,
Speaker 3: it looks like the best lineup for the Astros going
Speaker 3: forward is paying it short praise at second and grade
Speaker 3: third when everybody's healthy.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I.
Speaker 3: Don't I don't see them doing it. Doesn't It doesn't
Speaker 3: feel like y're praying to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like they're not gonna They've been fairly clear
Speaker 2: they're not going to resign them, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, I just sit there and let them go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 3: I do it.
Speaker 2: You could do it, and you could do it in
Speaker 2: the season two, right, like there might be more here.
Speaker 1: Here's my question. If you're if you're gonna say, like, well,
Speaker 1: they trade Jeremy Painna, So what it's an acknowledgement they've
Speaker 1: refused to make. Yeah, and what does it say about
Speaker 1: the What does it say about what they think their
Speaker 1: next couple of years are?
Speaker 2: Its true, yes, but they do at some point here
Speaker 2: have to move an infielder they can't keep. I know,
Speaker 2: like a lot of these guys get hurt Painia and
Speaker 2: Korea included, but like they can't kind of keep and
Speaker 2: they're still playing camp sent in the outfield. Like I know,
Speaker 2: he's a pretty good outfielder at this point, but like
Speaker 2: it's a very unoptimized at this point.
Speaker 1: It's been so long since he.
Speaker 2: Played the infield, I know, since college.
Speaker 1: Basically, Yeah, I don't think I think he's an outfielder.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might just be.
Speaker 1: I just think it's not only that they haven't made
Speaker 1: the acknowledgment. But like then you then you have to trade.
Speaker 1: You have to trade Paradis, you have to trade walk.
Speaker 2: Again, Like again, what do you do?
Speaker 1: What are you doing with your Don Alvarez? Then? I mean,
Speaker 1: why did you sign Tsuya in mine? Why? I mean,
Speaker 1: and these are those were questions at the time, don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, But.
Speaker 2: You can to open up a spot, right, Like, it's
Speaker 2: not They're not trading.
Speaker 3: Your best infielder to open up a spot. Carlos is
Speaker 3: hurt for the so who are you opening a spot for?
Speaker 2: No, I mean just to like for the long for
Speaker 2: the medium term, not even long.
Speaker 1: He is the long term he should be.
Speaker 2: But they're not going to resign him and he has
Speaker 2: one more year of control after this. Yeah, Like that's
Speaker 2: the that's the thing. That's the thing.
Speaker 3: Like this, there are two things that the Astros won't
Speaker 3: do and they don't work well together.
Speaker 1: That's that's well, well said, I guess. So, uh we'll
Speaker 1: move on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry angels, Yeah, the angels.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, well next topic, we can go on to.
Speaker 2: Our next I did run down, Yes, do you want
Speaker 2: any thoughts? Do you have any thoughts on Sebastian Roberto
Speaker 2: apparently all hell?
Speaker 1: I was in and out of that game. I I
Speaker 1: saw some stat whereas like Dalton Rushing and he were
Speaker 1: both four for four at one point. I don't know
Speaker 1: how it ended, but they were four for four.
Speaker 2: Well, Berbero was five for five.
Speaker 1: So okay, I mean, incredible game. I don't know what
Speaker 1: else to where.
Speaker 3: Does it rank on the Austin wins scale is my question.
Speaker 2: This is like if you could distill the norm cash
Speaker 2: season into one game, this is what it would look like. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the way I would put it. We should note,
Speaker 2: because it is of interest with the pod that Joe
Speaker 2: Adelle had a four under and thirty three foot home
Speaker 2: run in this game as well, and went four for
Speaker 2: five himself. Still did not get the uh ops over
Speaker 2: seven hundred, but you know, it's to work in a progress. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Rivero five for five with a double six RBIs.
Speaker 1: Let's go to our second segment, Hot Lanta. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: have not talked about Atlanta as much.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like it's both boring because they just
Speaker 2: keep winning and it's also boring because they just keep
Speaker 2: winning while starting Bryce Elder.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like the story of the season for
Speaker 3: the Braves hasn't happened yet, right, the stories you have
Speaker 3: they managed to do it this long, yeah, which there
Speaker 3: could be longer, or the story is a falling apart,
Speaker 3: which hasn't fair given how last year went. Well, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: it's it's not fair and a lot of.
Speaker 1: People and a lot of people were like, well they
Speaker 1: were done last year and like not everyone's going to
Speaker 1: bounce back and blah blah blah, and they had a
Speaker 1: lot of pitching injuries and all this. It seems unfair
Speaker 1: to say, like this story, he hasn't happened yet. This
Speaker 1: is a story like they they.
Speaker 2: They get off, had them division by five games?
Speaker 1: How many had them in first place?
Speaker 2: The coda did.
Speaker 1: Did sure? And I think we were all kind of like.
Speaker 2: I mean, they've again, like they've they've gotten some significant
Speaker 2: bounce backs, right like lb Azzi Albis has turned back
Speaker 2: into Ozzi Alby's. Yeah, Michael Harris is having the best
Speaker 2: season of his career, like beyond just a bounce back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know he's hitting three oh six three forty five
Speaker 2: twenty three y.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Harris walked eleven times. I mean he he'sn't walking,
Speaker 3: but he's already halfway to his Like this is like
Speaker 3: most in the season is twenty five.
Speaker 2: Some of this is like the Miguel Vargus where he's
Speaker 2: like he's still chasing forty four. The process has not
Speaker 2: changed it here at all. Here, the outcome has.
Speaker 1: The thing with Harris is that he's slugging five twenty right,
Speaker 1: Like Harris is who Harris is in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: But he's slugging five to twenty and.
Speaker 3: That is it.
Speaker 2: He has bumped his average exits by three miles an hour,
Speaker 2: and he's hitting the ball in the air more.
Speaker 1: That's how you start.
Speaker 2: He's not swinging. He's always swung hard. He's swinging about
Speaker 2: as hard as he ever has. You know, he's still
Speaker 2: swinging and missing a fair amount. But again, doesn't matter
Speaker 2: when you're slugging five hundred. Yeah, he remains a good
Speaker 2: defensive center fielder. Like and again, like Matt Olsen, keeps
Speaker 2: staving off father time. By father time, I mean me
Speaker 2: predicting his swing.
Speaker 1: Years Pete Alonzo to electric.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then they've got they've got like they braves
Speaker 2: get some bullshit every year, right when they're good, and they've.
Speaker 1: Got Mauricio Dubon and Jorge Matteo and Dominic Smith and
Speaker 1: more dominics. You're right, it's Dominic Smith more than more
Speaker 1: than the other two.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Dominic Smith has a better ops than Ronald Acunya.
Speaker 1: By the way, I just want to give you a
Speaker 1: small update. Keet Alonso up to a one seventeen ops plus.
Speaker 1: We're closing in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was one nineteen the other day.
Speaker 1: So them oh am, I am I thinking of I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of Devers's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Colons has been.
Speaker 2: Improved, has been better recently.
Speaker 1: Is only one of four so stole aways together.
Speaker 2: And like then you look at the pitching and like, okay,
Speaker 2: Chris Sale again, Chris Sale is quietly well.
Speaker 1: Also this was also powered in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: just before we go to the pitching by the Drake
Speaker 1: Baldwin descendence and he's hurt now, but I mean an
Speaker 1: absolutely unreal season until until he got hurt, but go
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 2: Really should have kept Jonaheim. Yeah, yeah, Sale has been incredible.
Speaker 2: Like in most years he would be like an El
Speaker 2: Say young favorite, but he's like the fourth best pitcher
Speaker 2: the NL this year behind.
Speaker 3: It's kind of it's kind of a Chris Sale career.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, and like they've gotten like Martine Perez and
Speaker 2: Bryce Elder, Like I don't think this will continue because
Speaker 2: like it never does for these guys. But the winds
Speaker 2: are banked, you know, right, Glaciers is back to being
Speaker 2: one of the best closers in baseball. Robert Suarez has
Speaker 2: been better than Rachel Gracias.
Speaker 1: One thing. One thing, we didn't talk about just this.
Speaker 1: This came up on the subject. There was a there
Speaker 1: was a we didn't talk about this on the Angels
Speaker 1: because we understand just over them read debt Mars has
Speaker 1: been very good. Yeah, Fangrafts had an article. Ryan Blake,
Speaker 1: uh had an article all about debt mers and and
Speaker 1: I do want to note this he said, like he
Speaker 1: might be the best left hander in baseball. And I again,
Speaker 1: I like Ryan Blake and is a good article. You
Speaker 1: should read it. But I my immediate reaction to this was,
Speaker 1: did Chris saie die ye? Like I understand, you know,
Speaker 1: Garrett Crochet has had a.
Speaker 2: Bad year a couple of weeks, Like.
Speaker 1: There's stuff right, well, but he's hurt. I get that
Speaker 1: Chris Sale is here and looking like Chris Sale. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's not bury Chris Sale yet.
Speaker 2: And like Sales, And like any injury when you're a
Speaker 2: thirty six year old pitcher can be a problem, but
Speaker 2: like his injury is kind of a freak thing, right,
Speaker 2: Like he dove and broke a rib or something last year,
Speaker 2: fractured a rib and he's just come back picked up
Speaker 2: where he left off. Like it's kind of amazing. He's
Speaker 2: like he's been eerily consistent since uh the trade to Atlanta,
Speaker 2: like just on a ppheral level side of his face,
Speaker 2: like rib injuries.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had some like really terrible bat ball luck
Speaker 3: at the beginning of last year.
Speaker 2: Yaind of and he like he was also like out
Speaker 2: at the end of the very end of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Even he won the cy Young right like three hundred innings,
Speaker 2: but he missed the last a few starts in the
Speaker 2: playoffs for them. Uh yeah, Like.
Speaker 1: It's just Martine Perez is saying, if if Brice Elder
Speaker 1: can do it, why can't I. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: we're getting We're up to thirteen sorry, nine games started,
Speaker 1: so we're closing in on that tenth game. Guys, I
Speaker 1: think I.
Speaker 3: Think it's more reasonable to assume that because Paris is here,
Speaker 3: Bryce Elder's like taking some tips. Here's how I look,
Speaker 3: here's how to fake it. Keep be doing okay, But.
Speaker 1: He's up to fourteen Martin Martin Paris, the Pumpkin on
Speaker 1: mar Team Paris is ten games, about which he's at
Speaker 1: nine right starts, specifically, I want to be clear, So
Speaker 1: he's at nine. He has a three point zero two
Speaker 1: e er.
Speaker 2: Well, they do get the Mets offense this week, so
Speaker 2: that might continue.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, I don't know the pitching. Look, I think
Speaker 1: there's a bit of a regression coming, right, which isn't
Speaker 1: bold to say about.
Speaker 2: A team, a team that's not like one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifteen win pace.
Speaker 1: Now, Spencer Strider's been a little bit up and down.
Speaker 1: The fastball shape kind of keeps creeping towards I don't
Speaker 1: think he's getting back to what he was, but towards
Speaker 1: towards something that's workable. He's still striking out close to
Speaker 1: eleven per nine, walking too many batters. I think it's
Speaker 1: the bullpen.
Speaker 2: Though, Like yeah, look, I mean, right.
Speaker 1: Are extremely good, but they both have a sub one
Speaker 1: e r a Dylan Lee barely above that Dylan Dodd.
Speaker 2: Dylan Dodd is sixteen to two strike out to walk
Speaker 2: ratio in twelve and two thirds.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and it has a one point four two.
Speaker 2: D has been very good in the penent for them,
Speaker 2: which I mean, that's surprising.
Speaker 1: That's a great fit for him.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And so I don't want to say like this this
Speaker 1: they cut Aaron Bummer, who had been the weakest point
Speaker 1: in the pen. I don't want to say this pen
Speaker 1: is like due to regress badly. These are good pictures.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look's if worse comes worse and they you don't
Speaker 2: have issues depend down the stretch, like you know, there's
Speaker 2: always Craig Kimbrel.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean they're they're biggest problem, and it's not obvious.
Speaker 1: They don't have a lot of big problems. They've had
Speaker 1: really quality backfills like Hassan Kim as a negative nineteen
Speaker 1: oh ps. Plus, I don't know what they're gonna do.
Speaker 1: You know, they'll just I guess they're gonna keep keep
Speaker 1: playing Duban and Jorge Matteo. But yeahine will but will
Speaker 1: it be fine?
Speaker 3: Right? Like you want to capture these guys and and
Speaker 3: rotate off as you can to like you're more established guys.
Speaker 1: You you want Kim to figure it out and be
Speaker 1: there so those guys can not be over exposed as
Speaker 1: the season goes on. Yeah, I don't know what else,
Speaker 1: what else there's to say?
Speaker 2: I mean that, you know, I mean they're gonna win.
Speaker 3: That that's why we're not talking about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the last thing that our rundown are they
Speaker 1: better than the Dodgers? They've been better than the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're starting Bryce Elder in Game three right now.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's a great series. Yeah, Look,
Speaker 1: my default would be I think the Dodgers are the
Speaker 1: best team in baseball, So I guess no, but no,
Speaker 1: slight meant I think it would be. I think they're very.
Speaker 2: Close again because of the twenty twenty five Like, and
Speaker 2: I know the twenty twenty four season didn't end great
Speaker 2: for the Braves either, Like they're still like they're capable
Speaker 2: of winning the Pennant. They're capable being the Dodgers in
Speaker 2: the seven game series with this roster, Like it's not
Speaker 2: even beyond the like any team has a chance in
Speaker 2: a seven game series, is the Dodgers have proved over
Speaker 2: the years, Like, yeah, we'll see again, Like it's tough
Speaker 2: to know what this team will look like. They can
Speaker 2: hit October two.
Speaker 1: They can hit, they can field. Yeah, we probably haven't
Speaker 1: seen the best of Ronald Acuna this year. Yep, but
Speaker 1: they can hit, they can feel, they have a great bullpen,
Speaker 1: Like there's no reason. Yeah, I mean, look, I think
Speaker 1: if someone wanted to say they're better than the Dodgers,
Speaker 1: certainly right now, not just based on record, but based
Speaker 1: on the team composition. I don't think that's like insane.
Speaker 1: I think I think the Dodgers are the best team
Speaker 1: in baseball.
Speaker 2: I just yeah, there's the one until you like, until
Speaker 2: your ko the champ, right like the champs the champ right.
Speaker 1: As as Davis said, I guess right like yeah. I
Speaker 1: also I just think, like, do you believe in you know,
Speaker 1: the Dodgers have their own Bryce Elder and Justin Robleski. Sure,
Speaker 1: do you believe in? Okay Sales Sale the best pitcher
Speaker 1: between the two staffs.
Speaker 2: It's sling Yawamoto, Like you could pick either one, I think, frankly, like,
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 3: It's Shoheo Tani has a point seventy four e er.
Speaker 2: This right and again that's soft, but there's no thing
Speaker 2: as a hard point seven forty r a outside of
Speaker 2: like the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's had some starts where he's absolutely
Speaker 1: struggled with his command, but the.
Speaker 2: Stuff I think, Yeah, I think like Atlanta's lineup is
Speaker 2: arguably a little deeper.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean Will Smith has not been great obviously,
Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker has been.
Speaker 2: Yeah, made, Yeah, I don't like that lineup is just
Speaker 2: like a little it's a little meat. It's older than
Speaker 2: the Brave lineup. Even the Brave line is not young
Speaker 2: at this one.
Speaker 1: Dodgers lineup is older than everybody's up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, TONI somebody asked me, like, well, Tony's
Speaker 2: not hitting for as much power this year. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think some of that is just he's also pitching,
Speaker 2: like it's just harder, like it's harder.
Speaker 1: Toll on his offense. Also, he is a nine to forty.
Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah, it's like that.
Speaker 1: I think it's I do not And he went into
Speaker 1: an extended slum.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do not think at his age while pitching,
Speaker 2: you're going to see like the you're you're not getting
Speaker 2: You're not getting that kind of like three four six
Speaker 2: line from him yet, right.
Speaker 1: No, months, he's months, he's been incredible, turning it around.
Speaker 2: Before turning into one of the best position players in
Speaker 2: baseball right.
Speaker 1: And has bold and italic ink on his on his
Speaker 1: June Our War right now three point eight Yeah, this
Speaker 1: season already. And I don't think it's a joke.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's I guess he's legitimately a very
Speaker 2: good defensive center fielder. That is hitting for a lot
Speaker 2: of power.
Speaker 1: Like for a lot of power, right, I mean he's
Speaker 1: going to strike out, he's gonna chase, he's not gonna
Speaker 1: walk a ton, and he's hitting for power. This is
Speaker 1: in a lot of way. Look and they've basically been
Speaker 1: big brother, little brother, but this is Taoscar Hernandez with
Speaker 1: a good center field defense and a nice player, like
Speaker 1: the good version of Oskar. Yeah that's that's an incredible yep.
Speaker 3: But again, like Michael Harris is doing very soon stuff right,
Speaker 3: like they go toe to toe is basically my point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. I mean Mookie Betts is also going
Speaker 1: toe to toe with Hassan Kim and m uh yes,
Speaker 1: are they better?
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe a lot of baseball left.
Speaker 3: It's right now, it's looking very easy to say that
Speaker 3: the best series in baseball will not be the World Series,
Speaker 3: right right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, but you know, I also like not to
Speaker 1: steal I Obviously, the NBA Finals are going on, a
Speaker 1: lot of people said, like, okay, see San Antonio was
Speaker 1: the was the real NBA Finals? And you know, you
Speaker 1: never know, you never know who's.
Speaker 2: The Jalen Brunson of the American League And why is
Speaker 2: it funny. Why is it Brian Rokio, Oh, come on,
Speaker 2: you can't.
Speaker 1: It's it's uh, it's Jose Capaira.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because you got to take a New York team, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's true. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh, let's take a break. Let's take a break, and
Speaker 1: we'll come back with the rest of this show. Okay,
Speaker 1: welcome back to episode five hundred and fifty two of
Speaker 1: five and five. We're on segment three. We're going around
Speaker 1: the horn. Patrick, I'm gonna I'm gonna open the floor
Speaker 1: for you because it was.
Speaker 3: A big emotion week. Yes, a few days, I don't know,
Speaker 3: you wrote about several of them. Yeah, so I'm gonna
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you the floor. So yeah, a lot
Speaker 3: of guys who h A lot of guys who are
Speaker 3: picked a second of a good amount of money, are
Speaker 3: picking demoted, uh Brandon the diamonbacks.
Speaker 1: Like crucially, many of them a significant amount of money
Speaker 1: committed to several.
Speaker 3: Years ago, Yes, several years ago.
Speaker 1: Who are still we are finally given years in.
Speaker 3: The future, Like we're not. We're not the end of
Speaker 3: any of these deals, No, we are.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 3: So it's very funny to listen to the tone on
Speaker 3: some of these the Diamondbacks demoted Brandon Fought. Basically, the
Speaker 3: idea is that Fawn hasn't been starting for a while.
Speaker 3: He hasn't been good enough to start for the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty six Arizona Diamondbacks.
Speaker 1: They've had some weirdly decent pitching.
Speaker 3: Weird some but uh, very like I think Hazen was
Speaker 3: was like kind of down about it. I think, or
Speaker 3: maybe it was Labello, but like basically like they're like, man,
Speaker 3: this sucks. We we really wish we didn't have to
Speaker 3: do this. But essentially he is their sixth starter and
Speaker 3: he is not stretched out enough to start because there
Speaker 3: hasn't been enough work. So basically sending him down so
Speaker 3: that he can stay in the four five inning range
Speaker 3: so when somebody gets hurt, he can come back up
Speaker 3: and do it. Also, he has been bad, Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: just like lost command.
Speaker 2: Brandon Bhoot was not particularly good when they signed him
Speaker 2: to this contract.
Speaker 1: Well, so the perfect yeah, yeah, the second half of
Speaker 1: looking like they it was it was very like confirmation bias. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we think he he had he had always had better
Speaker 1: peripherals than top line stuff, and then he had a
Speaker 1: second half where he was I don't know why this
Speaker 1: is sticking in my head. But he was like a
Speaker 1: three point seven four e R and everyone was like,
Speaker 1: he's it's time time here, And I'm like, that's not
Speaker 1: even like, yeah, that's solid, right maybe bats that was
Speaker 1: like their playoff run. It was like coming off twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, right, so it's like their playoff run where
Speaker 1: he looked like one of their better pictures. But it
Speaker 1: still was yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: The Red Sox did not feel as bad about Bayou.
Speaker 3: There was a there was a postgame interview where someone
Speaker 3: asked him if they viewed him as a starter. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you guys saw this. BeO had a translator,
Speaker 3: and that translator earned his pay.
Speaker 2: Yeah I saw that.
Speaker 3: Because BeO was used it particularly strong said language about
Speaker 3: his opinion about that question, and the translator mitigated bo, Yes,
Speaker 3: it was. BeO is still a starter. He'll be a
Speaker 3: starter in triple A. He boy, I mean fat, like
Speaker 3: at least fought is like he's got a great slider,
Speaker 3: and he also has not reached to count where he
Speaker 3: can throw it. He's like throwing it seven percent of
Speaker 3: the time because he just basically.
Speaker 1: Never at least, I think these are so similar I
Speaker 1: don't know to projection the entire time.
Speaker 3: But but the like if from from a numbers standpoint, yes,
Speaker 3: from from like a stuff standpoint, Fat is more boring
Speaker 3: as far as his his profile goes. He's just a
Speaker 3: conventional four pitch starter with a fifth pitch that's better
Speaker 3: than his four pitches. But he can't throw it Bao,
Speaker 3: like does not have a fastball at all. No, he
Speaker 3: cannot throw a fastball.
Speaker 1: And like he got five last year was because Lucas
Speaker 1: Giolito was there to give him Grez Bryce Elder situation,
Speaker 1: but without a fastball.
Speaker 3: And he's basically been a sinkerballer that you know, like
Speaker 3: singer ballers can just do that, right, singer ballers can
Speaker 3: just get ground balls and just have the ballspit hit
Speaker 3: to a fielder and you get sick away with it.
Speaker 3: But they were. He was not getting away with it
Speaker 3: this year. He's not even getting ground balls on anymore.
Speaker 3: Like you know your sinker is bad when it's not
Speaker 3: even you can't even keep the guy keep the ball
Speaker 3: on the ground. Uh, and like there is no like
Speaker 3: there's no path forward for that. Uh. But also he
Speaker 3: can't like Bill can't hit a location right, like if
Speaker 3: you're gonna be that kind of picture, you gotta you
Speaker 3: gotta hit your spots. You've got to keep the ball down.
Speaker 3: You've got to like find a corner.
Speaker 1: Like you gotta.
Speaker 3: If you're gonna be Wade Miley, you've gotta be Wade Miley.
Speaker 3: And he was not pulling that off. He was leaving
Speaker 3: up into the middle way too much. He has to
Speaker 3: figure out how to throw a strike before he could
Speaker 3: be allowed back up. Jeff, you put jonahsong more eloquently
Speaker 3: than I could, so I'll let you describe that situation.
Speaker 3: He had been less of a less of a content
Speaker 3: as a.
Speaker 2: Bolt guy just because they need bolt guys and they're
Speaker 2: on again off again relationship with both David Peterson and
Speaker 2: Shaan and Ia was off for a few weeks.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: He came up two okay outings. His last outing was
Speaker 2: not good. He in that they lowered his arm angle
Speaker 2: little bit and he's shown flashes of like a sweepier,
Speaker 2: harder kind of slurve pitch and then just would not
Speaker 2: throw it in the majors and was leaning more on
Speaker 2: his shitty cutter along with the fastball and change. And
Speaker 2: at this point, like they need to as thrilled as
Speaker 2: I am to have him in the season fifty consideration. Again,
Speaker 2: they need to just get him in triple A throwing
Speaker 2: something east west before he comes back up again, and
Speaker 2: like Peterson and Manaya are in over the next couple
Speaker 2: of months, not likely to be any better or worse
Speaker 2: than Tongue. So for the long term planning here.
Speaker 3: Chacob Lopez, I got to uh, this is more just
Speaker 3: like a state of the Athletics. Savarino's on the IL,
Speaker 3: civil as on the ILE. I'm actually, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna drive harder Civilly.
Speaker 1: Just that.
Speaker 3: They are there. Their rotation right now is Springs, Jin Perkins,
Speaker 3: I like Perkins, I like Perkins, h Gage jump and
Speaker 3: then Kate Morris.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just called it another former Mets. Yeah, sort
Speaker 2: of pitching perspect Yeah fine, he's like a back end
Speaker 2: of the rotation, pitch di versification guy.
Speaker 3: Like it does not seem like he's probably not in
Speaker 3: that park.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I tried something, try a different Jacob Lopez.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, we need variety sometimes, uh. TJ Friedel got demotive,
Speaker 3: you got sent down for for a Newelvie Marte Again,
Speaker 3: the Reds.
Speaker 2: Time to turn it down at this point, it feels
Speaker 2: like he's been around forever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, he's only you think he's in first
Speaker 3: year ARB yeah or something. He was making like three
Speaker 3: and a half million. Uh yeah, the Reds. It's time
Speaker 3: for my step forward, for Noelvie Marte yeah, to come
Speaker 3: to fruition. And lastly, Stephen Mattz Yeah, got sent to
Speaker 3: the bullpen. Even though like the athletics, you're like, okay,
Speaker 3: but who's starting?
Speaker 2: Mason Englert Apparently Jeff was.
Speaker 1: You weren't on yet Patrick. Jeff was legitimately looking this.
Speaker 2: Up, well the level of Johnson, but it's the level.
Speaker 1: Of disgust when we got to Mason.
Speaker 2: Englerd like, I don't like, it's just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't know Mason Englert was on the race. So
Speaker 2: there was that realization and there was like the of
Speaker 2: course he is, and then there was the of course
Speaker 2: he is, and he's starting for the race. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: The same number of Walks's home runs allowed, which is
Speaker 3: half good.
Speaker 2: I mean, he might be pitching as an opener because
Speaker 2: he's but they might just they stretched out Griffin jack
Speaker 2: so who knows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Griffin Jackson is like, yeah, they don't. They don't
Speaker 3: have the bullpen to pull off openers for very long. Yeah, well,
Speaker 3: at least their bullpen at Stephen Matson in Yeah, Stephen
Speaker 3: Maats can be the book perfect. There's a Stephen Matt's
Speaker 3: size hole in this in this pitching staff, and Steven
Speaker 3: Matts is here to fill. I I don't think. I
Speaker 3: don't disagree with the move. I think Matts is better
Speaker 3: in the bullpen. You just have to have enough.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 2: We also knew that.
Speaker 3: I think knew that when you signed to be a starter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it never made right, it never made sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was these teams.
Speaker 3: They get so proud of themselves, like they they they's
Speaker 3: so there's so much faith, so much uneared confidence. People
Speaker 3: need to earn for the like and certainly with in
Speaker 3: this case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's fair. I think it's it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you've run into the immovable object that it's Stephen Matt's guys, like,
Speaker 1: it's it's you just have to be cognizant.
Speaker 2: That is again, you choose, you chose to get.
Speaker 3: The sun.
Speaker 2: It's like no, they like you're looking at it like
Speaker 2: this wasn't gonna fit in the doorframe. We try to
Speaker 2: get at home, but then we're gonna We're gonna do
Speaker 2: our best.
Speaker 3: Oryce Lewis uh slugged nine hundred a Yeah.
Speaker 1: He hit a home run every day, like.
Speaker 3: Ten home runs in fifteen games. Jesus, and they wasted it,
Speaker 3: Like Lee royce Lewis was feeling good that week and
Speaker 3: they just wasted it. He's coming back, He's he was
Speaker 3: playing second, was it was it? I heard rumors that
Speaker 3: he was moving around, like they've moved Berksley over the third.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure where they're playing. I mean, Louis
Speaker 3: who Luke Keisham has been playing second. I don't know if.
Speaker 1: Playing second is like, yeah, he attends, he attempts second face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a weird roster.
Speaker 2: It's a weird ta It is a very Yeah.
Speaker 1: Where's the hold on?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Hold on? We get the defensive lineups.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of platooning going on for no real game.
Speaker 1: Tristan Gray and Ryan Kridler and Orlando Orcia are the
Speaker 1: most recent shortstops.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Kler is garge somehow consistently.
Speaker 1: At third base.
Speaker 3: Roycelwis started at first base yesterday, sure, Uh, and second
Speaker 3: base the game before Cody fertility guy in they're they're
Speaker 3: just the utility.
Speaker 2: I mean, he can stretch and he's like Josh Bell
Speaker 2: has been really bad and like dhing, like they can
Speaker 2: just d h him to move Brooksley back to shortstop whatever.
Speaker 3: It doesn't Yeah, like weird that they don't just use
Speaker 3: Brooksley a short stop. I don't know, this team is
Speaker 3: not good enough to have this many and also does.
Speaker 2: Yeah also then feel like they're they've transitioned to like trying.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know Walker Jenkins is hurt and Emanuel
Speaker 2: Rodriguez is hurt, like but like as is there want
Speaker 2: and like but like it there's seven I know there
Speaker 2: are seven games on there, which is only three out
Speaker 2: of a wildcard spot. But they're not like they're not
Speaker 2: it's not going to happen for them.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe the thing with Royce Lewis is that like
Speaker 3: we got to figure out where to play him, Like
Speaker 3: I guess the bother he's just why spend all this
Speaker 3: energy on this when we're just gonna have to fix things?
Speaker 3: And again it's also not.
Speaker 1: That Brooksly is a great short stop, but like why
Speaker 1: are you like you can't hit? Yeah, so why is
Speaker 1: he your third basement?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Tristan Gray not. Can someone great push everyone
Speaker 3: out of the way for him?
Speaker 1: Can Byron Buxton?
Speaker 2: Free Byron Buckston, I trade cla.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, only tell them listen. I know, I
Speaker 1: said for life. But also.
Speaker 3: It's been Austin Martin by the way, in case you
Speaker 3: were wondering back down to two forty seven three what you.
Speaker 1: Said, yeah, it was. Yeah, and it's just the regular
Speaker 1: right fielder.
Speaker 2: Yes, too, but again because the manual Rodriguez and Walker Jenkinson, he.
Speaker 1: And Brooksley both have ninety one ops pluses and are
Speaker 1: just the regular third baseman and right fielder.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I forgot. They're just keeping short
Speaker 2: stop open for honing, right, Culpepper. It's Kayalen Culpepper, not
Speaker 2: Case Cunningham, who I looked at.
Speaker 1: I knew I was going to screw that up. I
Speaker 1: really did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kayleen Culpeper is hitting two sixty five through seventy one,
Speaker 2: four ninety one in Triple A with an not quite
Speaker 2: as good fourteen home runs in fifty six games. That's right,
Speaker 2: it's so pretty good.
Speaker 1: It's good.
Speaker 3: It's pretty good, though, it is pretty good. Patrick was
Speaker 3: this you did, probably mid Kepler Kepler.
Speaker 1: That's good. The Donalds Tunbacks have agreed to a deal
Speaker 1: with mid Kepler. The most bad part of this deal
Speaker 1: to me is and I saw this on a screenshot,
Speaker 1: so I'm not sure where it's from. I think it
Speaker 1: was from uh from MLB trade rumors, but I don't
Speaker 1: know for sure. I'm basing that off a font. I
Speaker 1: might not have it correct that MLB and and MLB
Speaker 1: worked out a deal with Kepler. And I'm guessing his
Speaker 1: representation that while he's suspended for performance enhancing drug right,
Speaker 1: I believe that's the eighty game suspension. M hm, he
Speaker 1: is serving that suspension despite not being associated with any team, right,
Speaker 1: which I don't still understand how this is suspension.
Speaker 3: I think it's I think he's just he is still
Speaker 3: a Philly in spirit, and I think that the Philadelphia
Speaker 3: a Phillies have had Max Kepler all year and they
Speaker 3: just didn't realize it. It was just part Just like
Speaker 3: Clupouse seems off. I mean, Max Keppler's not here, but
Speaker 3: there's something. There's like a Max Kepler hinge to the
Speaker 3: air his presence. You can't get it out for breeze.
Speaker 2: Like on one level, this like this was going to
Speaker 2: end his career because no team was going to pick
Speaker 2: him up.
Speaker 1: To the point, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know what the point is to make it look
Speaker 2: like they're doing something in terms of Hermit's enthancing drugs
Speaker 2: in the game.
Speaker 3: There have been guys.
Speaker 1: Does that not be like the head on the spike
Speaker 1: that says, don't do this?
Speaker 2: If you think that would be Henry Mahea, but he
Speaker 2: also got reinstated at one point.
Speaker 1: If you're but like, don't do this, if you're Max Kepler,
Speaker 1: is it is not worth it?
Speaker 2: I mean some of the it's just driving.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: He had been on a two year deal instead of
Speaker 2: a one year deal, right, like you would have Well, again,
Speaker 2: that's the that's.
Speaker 1: The point he arguably right, he took it to try
Speaker 1: and get the two year deal short and this is
Speaker 1: not and it's not worth it. It don't don't do that, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not trying to beat your cronian,
Speaker 1: but it does. It doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 3: I get that he's like served the suspension in that,
Speaker 3: like he hasn't played this season or whatever, but then
Speaker 3: I think you need to whatever.
Speaker 2: You're Yeah, I mean if he's not. He's technically not
Speaker 2: in the union right because he's not under contract with
Speaker 2: a major league.
Speaker 1: He just fully out of the union. That can't be right.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that he doesn't have.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the.
Speaker 2: Rules are as a free agent, but I.
Speaker 1: Just I think you gotta change like it needs to
Speaker 1: them be like you're not suspended, you just forced to
Speaker 1: miss games. I don't know, I don't know. It's weird.
Speaker 1: It's maybe that's a stupid distinction, I guess, but like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's very weird for me. And also
Speaker 1: I don't know, is Max step We're gonna.
Speaker 2: Help the Diamonds, well, not for another twenty games and
Speaker 2: maybe not for after that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's weird. I mean I understand like
Speaker 3: they have Corbyn Carroll and not much else in the
Speaker 3: in the outfield.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Ryan Walshman has been fine. They've
Speaker 1: been playing Tommy Troy out there. He's been fine. Uh,
Speaker 1: they did we we don't have this on here, Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: but they did right after you did a kind of
Speaker 1: catch all. These guys aren't getting call ups like call
Speaker 1: up articles, but they are. They deserve mentioned. They called
Speaker 1: up lou James Groover.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they need another infielder, like, where's he?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Well, Aldemar Vargas got absolutely trucked by Maxim Yes, and.
Speaker 2: Also made a bad decision.
Speaker 1: You need it, he should have made a business decision.
Speaker 2: So yeah, fair enough. Yeah, I like Groover a little bit.
Speaker 1: Primary DH this season, per Baseball Reference, has been Adrian
Speaker 1: del Castillo, who yeah, a fifty eight ops plus So
Speaker 1: they might just need a bat. Ye, they've been playing
Speaker 1: Jorge Barossa a lot. I don't know. Maybe you get Tommy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, Yeah, Tommy Troy peven
Speaker 1: Smith just came back to He's been awful.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 2: Has been better, even though the Diamondbacks can about him
Speaker 2: in the press.
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, man, I don't He is truly underrated.
Speaker 3: When it comes to when when a guy gets a
Speaker 3: hold of one.
Speaker 1: Holy ship, there is there is. Look, obviously we talked
Speaker 1: about we mentioned Otani and uh Al Jordan Alvarez this podcast. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarb or whatever.
Speaker 2: M and Arrow is one to.
Speaker 3: Kimano is absolutely absolutely one, but like for for a
Speaker 3: second baseman, especially when when Kateell Marte gets one. It
Speaker 3: is I mean detonation, Like he absolutely annihilated a Tanner
Speaker 3: Scott pitch.
Speaker 1: There's a walk off the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's an old like soccer cliche that he's not
Speaker 2: a he's not a great goal scorer, but he's a
Speaker 2: great scorer of goals, like the goals he scored like that.
Speaker 1: But he also is great, right, like to tell me
Speaker 1: home run, but yeah for home runs.
Speaker 2: Not a great home run here, but the home runs
Speaker 2: he hits are great.
Speaker 1: Right, it's a little I mean, there's some jazz jazz
Speaker 1: can do this too, but I he hits it so
Speaker 1: god damn it. I actually almost said, like you wouldn't
Speaker 1: necessarily expect it based on the numbers, but he just
Speaker 1: really But then I looked and it's like he maxes
Speaker 1: one seventeen one most yeries. He crushes the ball. Man,
Speaker 1: I I love.
Speaker 2: Max do not for don do not do not?
Speaker 1: But man, so yeah, Lujan screw would you have anything
Speaker 1: you want to Yeah, Like he's.
Speaker 2: A hit, it's not a ton of he doesn't hits
Speaker 2: the ball hard, but doesn't lift it a ton you know,
Speaker 2: but again interesting like a useful cornerbat.
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, in in Cubs news, Jameson Tyne removed
Speaker 3: in the second inning.
Speaker 1: Wasn't going that well? It was a.
Speaker 2: Hamstring, right, I think, yeah, hamstering hamstring injury.
Speaker 1: Look, in a lot of ways, this would be considered
Speaker 1: maybe a blessing in disguise. Jameson Tyne has been real
Speaker 1: bad the Cubs.
Speaker 2: I think you still need you need a body.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well look, yeah, who finally can like stay in
Speaker 3: one house for a week because I feel like he's
Speaker 3: been demoted and called up like seven or eight times
Speaker 3: already this year.
Speaker 1: Well, they can only do it five times in a season,
Speaker 1: feels like seven or eight times.
Speaker 3: I know, is Asad worse than Jameson ty maybe doesn't
Speaker 3: strike as many batters, but like I don't know. No, Well, okay, look,
Speaker 3: if you just want to go on, Javier Sad has
Speaker 3: a four point three seven fifth and Jameson Tian has
Speaker 3: a six point three one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 1: I don't think Jameson Tyne has allowed twenty home runs.
Speaker 1: Shota in Monaga has not allowed the most home runs
Speaker 1: in this rotation. Right, that's a problem.
Speaker 3: With an extra million innings to boot, right.
Speaker 1: Right, you have your side. I'm not saying is any
Speaker 1: great shakes here, sure, probably better than Jamison Tion, probably
Speaker 1: all the problem. Yeah, and like the bullpen has been
Speaker 1: a decent strength, but they keep pulling from the bullpen.
Speaker 1: Right Ben Brown is now starting, He's been very good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got a sinker.
Speaker 2: Now, might be time to make a Might be time
Speaker 2: to try to make a trade for a picture.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, The question is like, who's trading pictures right now?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: You know who?
Speaker 1: Who are you able to get at this? I meant,
Speaker 1: do you think the Angels are trading redetmvers right now?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: They might as well.
Speaker 1: Okay, what the Angels should do and we are doing,
Speaker 1: are right, never really aligned?
Speaker 2: Mister Beast would make this trade.
Speaker 1: Craig want to float the rumor?
Speaker 2: Then this is just a tweet some dude on Twitter
Speaker 2: to the room we're going around at a minor league
Speaker 2: game that mister Beast wants to buy the Angels.
Speaker 1: And has been wanting to for several years.
Speaker 2: Look, if there's any organization slash baseball team that fits
Speaker 2: the mister Beast millieu, it is the Los Angeles Angels
Speaker 2: and Anaheim.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I don't know. Again, I think this might
Speaker 1: end up being in that upgrade.
Speaker 2: It might be, it might not be.
Speaker 1: It's not enough though, Like you're still gonna have to
Speaker 1: figure out the bullpen after it, because it's again you're
Speaker 1: pulling guys out of there to what.
Speaker 2: Are they I can't even keep track there. And fourth
Speaker 2: right now they're behind the Pirates they are.
Speaker 1: And fourth they're tied.
Speaker 2: They're tired for the Pirates. The Cardinals had the seven.
Speaker 2: Cardinals took two of three. So now there're seven games
Speaker 2: over again or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: The Cardinals are seven games over.
Speaker 2: Again, and they're also playing the Mets this week, so
Speaker 2: that might go up.
Speaker 1: Please continue not looking at the Mets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine. You you do not want to watch
Speaker 2: the Mets. You don't want to watch It's like Dustin
Speaker 2: may Andre Payante and.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, speaking of pictures, you should.
Speaker 2: Stream Andrea and your fantasy league because always kills the Mets.
Speaker 1: But speaking of pictures, you might not want to look
Speaker 1: at directly. Kyle Frielan sets the Colorado Rockies innings pitched
Speaker 1: starting pitching.
Speaker 2: This both shocked me and then five seconds later made
Speaker 2: perfect sense.
Speaker 1: Yea, I go to say this is not surprising to me.
Speaker 3: No, you know who had the record before. Right, No,
Speaker 3: you don't, because I feel like like I have been
Speaker 3: surprised by the guys.
Speaker 2: Literally like they like John Gray. I guess he was
Speaker 2: hurt too much.
Speaker 3: No, no, John Gray was unfortunately hurt too much. It
Speaker 3: is Aaron Cook Cook, and it's just like, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: You hear Aaron Cook okay, and then and you're like, okay,
Speaker 3: Kyle Freelan, will be you reacting to Aaron Cook for
Speaker 3: the next ten years, right, well, I was.
Speaker 1: It was I was gonna say, like Ubaldo or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, although interestingly the only guy in the top twenty
Speaker 3: with any are able of four as a Rocky he's in.
Speaker 1: The top twenty.
Speaker 2: It was good how many or hey dayla Rossa and
Speaker 2: forty one?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was fourth. Well there's you know, there's a
Speaker 3: bunch of people think Jeff Francis is fifth.
Speaker 1: Jeff right again along with Aaron Cook.
Speaker 3: Just right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Rockies really have not. I might have been
Speaker 1: of Jeff Francis when you said Aaron.
Speaker 2: Jeff, I'll never find out and Aaron Cook. We're definitely
Speaker 2: comparing notes.
Speaker 3: The thing is like almost all almost all these guys
Speaker 3: at one point had some amount of shine either shine,
Speaker 3: real shine, or well he's.
Speaker 2: A Rocky, but you know, and then the Rockies just
Speaker 2: keep those guys first.
Speaker 3: Aaron Cook never, Aaron Cook was just like he is fine,
Speaker 3: over and over and over again, like and he did it.
Speaker 3: He lived, He survived that place for like what ten years.
Speaker 1: All right, listen, I'm gonna I'm gonna jump to our
Speaker 1: next segment, which is what to watch, and I want
Speaker 1: to jump straight into our last two segments on or less.
Speaker 1: Two sub heading's on around the Horn were the Rockies
Speaker 1: and the Cubs, which brings us to Sicicos.
Speaker 2: Jeff, this is yeah, yeah, man, yeah no. The way
Speaker 2: Greg put it and I think is accurate. Like, the
Speaker 2: Rockies win two games here, the Cubs.
Speaker 1: I still believe in the Cubs. But like I think,
Speaker 1: if the Rockies win to two games here, the Cubs
Speaker 1: are in trouble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think it's fair to.
Speaker 1: Say the Cubs are in trouble anyway.
Speaker 2: But like and from like the sis point of view,
Speaker 2: it's in Colorado and the Cubs can hit, obviously, right,
Speaker 2: these these might be well, they can hit, they can hit,
Speaker 2: don't recently they don't Colin Ray against Tommy Saganos. Let's
Speaker 2: start the fireworks early showed Managa, who who will give
Speaker 2: up a home runner too season against Michael Lorenzen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but honestly, how many of these Rockies pitchers will
Speaker 3: be Cubs pitchers?
Speaker 2: And yeah, and then I could see the last one,
Speaker 2: the best and also worst matchup of the three, Ryan
Speaker 2: Feltner against Edward Kerburer.
Speaker 3: It is absolutely the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan Feldner could be a future Cubs absolutely it does.
Speaker 3: It just feel like these guys all feel like August
Speaker 3: the Cubs.
Speaker 1: I think the Cubs could could pick up Feldner and
Speaker 1: and Lambert. Also you go to call Houston up for Lambert.
Speaker 2: Also that all these Cubs hitchers of a future Rockies
Speaker 2: as well. So that's true, It's just different.
Speaker 3: I think, like the water swirling in the stream.
Speaker 1: All right, elsewhere I want to watch, I'll I'll go.
Speaker 1: I took Philly and Toronto. I keep picking Toronto. I apologize,
Speaker 1: but you know it's I've said this before. Toronto and
Speaker 1: and Philly is some of my favorite like aesthetic matchups
Speaker 1: and a Toronto Yeah exactly, I think I think it
Speaker 1: should be a decent series. And on top of that,
Speaker 1: I did this is a phenomenalist uniform, like the way
Speaker 1: then they're very different obviously, and and I just I
Speaker 1: love both these uniforms. I like the presentation. I don't
Speaker 1: know Crup wasn't I tuned into a couple of Phillies
Speaker 1: uh broadcasts recently, and that that Padre series Cruck wasn't in.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping he'll be back. I love that. And also
Speaker 1: like Dan Schulman on the on the Toronto broadcast, So
Speaker 1: you're good anywhere you go. I did not look at
Speaker 1: the particular matchups to see a couple, but there's a couple.
Speaker 2: Of interesting ones.
Speaker 1: Uh you get let's see on Wizard overs TBD.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Jays Wheeler Verse TVD. The Jays uh are
Speaker 2: in flux and Liizard Overse, Zard Overse TBD, Wheeler Verse TBD.
Speaker 2: And I gonna I'm gonna guess, Oh yeah, because it's
Speaker 2: it's it's a weird inner League.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's today. It's it's uh today, Christopher Sanchez
Speaker 1: versus versus Pat Corbyn.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so the two best lefties in baseball going
Speaker 2: at it exactly.
Speaker 1: And by the time people listen to this, it'll it'll
Speaker 1: it'll be too late.
Speaker 3: But nevertheless, Patrick, all right, Well I went with Himbo
Speaker 3: baseball last time, and that resulted in uh Zach Lttel
Speaker 3: and Foster Griffin one running the Iam Max. Uh So
Speaker 3: this time I'm gonna go with a more traditional one.
Speaker 3: Then just do Brave White Sox. I mean, we've we
Speaker 3: all we you know, we've talked about the White Sox
Speaker 3: playing in the past. This is a good time to
Speaker 3: watch the Braves. They're good. It's it's they've been doing
Speaker 3: it long enough themis We'll just enjoy it.
Speaker 1: They're both over five hundred. Get Sam Antonacci into your life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. The pitching matchups should allow that
Speaker 3: offense to take place. You're gonna get your martin Paris.
Speaker 3: You're gonna get your grand homes. Grand homes will pitch
Speaker 3: and you will constantly be like, who's pitching?
Speaker 2: Well you I think you can recognize on sight, like.
Speaker 3: There, but it's like, you know, anytime there's episode down,
Speaker 3: what's happening here? So it should be good, solid games.
Speaker 2: Jeffrey, I went Dodgers Pirates to save Craig from picking pirates.
Speaker 1: Uh, it's a. It's a it's a bad set of
Speaker 1: games for this Friday.
Speaker 2: It is you do get a Tani against Jarry Jones
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, which should be a lot of fun, and.
Speaker 1: You get Skis versus lower Onto.
Speaker 2: It is a different kind of fun like the Pirate.
Speaker 2: I don't know Brandon lau Is, not that we didn't
Speaker 2: put this on the run down around the Horn, but
Speaker 2: it's going to miss like two months with a he
Speaker 2: fractured his knee hitting them.
Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't know that, but I also I just
Speaker 3: last podcast was like, Brandon laud does get hurt all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 2: And he has Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 1: He broke his knee.
Speaker 2: I think he fractured his knee.
Speaker 1: Cap Like, is it like the was it you said about?
Speaker 1: So it's the Christian Yelich situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of like that.
Speaker 1: Oh that sucks.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get the exact injury here. He I'm the
Speaker 2: last thing he avoided anything serious. Oh yeah, but they
Speaker 2: were worried initially because he suffered a fractured right It's
Speaker 2: what I was reading. He fractured his right potilla. So
Speaker 2: he fine, you'll see Brandon law probably Oh he navigate
Speaker 2: some soreness injuries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well but he still does get hurt all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he tested negative for a fracture.
Speaker 2: I guess the last time he did this, he fractured
Speaker 2: his name. Maybe that's what I saw.
Speaker 3: Well, good, that's I I guess there's a reason I
Speaker 3: missed that. Yeah, anyway, that takes us to our game.
Speaker 3: You know, I think it might be a Blake Bevian autograph.
Speaker 3: But the thing is, did Blake Bevin turn the ball
Speaker 3: upside down?
Speaker 1: He did he sign? The game?
Speaker 3: Is ken?
Speaker 1: We identified these?
Speaker 3: Did he sign it first? And then everyone else just
Speaker 3: signed the other way?
Speaker 1: Like Bevin looked weird? Honestly, I think everyone else signed
Speaker 1: it in Blake Bevan. You know who knows?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, all right, the
Speaker 3: game is AKA. It's been a while. I don't know
Speaker 3: how we're gonna do on this one. We'll see, because like,
Speaker 3: just because I don't always recognize everyone doesn't mean you won't,
Speaker 3: which is why I try to. I try to give
Speaker 3: you guys the benefit of the doubt. But you know,
Speaker 3: in my just go badly. I was also really having
Speaker 3: a hard time with sourcing on this one. Just a
Speaker 3: bunch of nicknames that I could not find any evidence
Speaker 3: as to why they were called that. So that doesn't
Speaker 3: make me feel super confident. All right, so our first one,
Speaker 3: slug O.
Speaker 2: I've definitely heard this one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say that the man's name, you would
Speaker 3: think that somebody named Slugo would not have a career
Speaker 3: four twelve slugging percentage.
Speaker 1: Just based on that. I had a name in mind,
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna go with it.
Speaker 2: Austin Slater No, okay, Uh, definitely heard this one before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard it too, but.
Speaker 2: I just keep going on.
Speaker 3: I will say one hundred and four ops plus higher
Speaker 3: than I thought it would be. Like I thought this
Speaker 3: guy was a bad offensive player. He was not a
Speaker 3: bad offensive player.
Speaker 2: And it's Don Slot Yeah, okay, okay, yeah he was.
Speaker 3: He was apparently a decent hitter for most of his career.
Speaker 3: Is just kind of a he was really like.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't have gotten there.
Speaker 3: No, personally, the part time catcher before part time catcher
Speaker 3: is really a thing. He would just was worth two
Speaker 3: wins a year every year because games is onslaught with
Speaker 3: a D in front of it. And somehow they're going,
Speaker 3: it's just a good name already. You don't need any name,
Speaker 3: Don Slought, He's just a full name every time, all right,
Speaker 3: next one country, this guy's all Hall of Famer Country
Speaker 3: Country nickname was not country anything, just country.
Speaker 1: Mhm h h.
Speaker 2: Boy, George Sisler.
Speaker 1: Good idea of Famer. We're at We're at s L
Speaker 1: so we're passed. Can I can?
Speaker 2: I thought it was an I wow the now ok,
Speaker 2: I'm uh good?
Speaker 3: Goods.
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know. I assume George Sisler of
Speaker 2: baseball players that era was born in the country.
Speaker 1: Do you have any other hints? No, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It was Eno Slaughter.
Speaker 1: You know, should should have been.
Speaker 3: There, honestly, because there, I mean right there. Well, Slaughter
Speaker 3: might be the most forgettable Hall of Famer embarrassing. I know.
Speaker 2: I always remember him because like I had a book
Speaker 2: of like some baseball it wasn't an encyclopedia like baseball stories,
Speaker 2: and there was one about like Eno Slaughter's mad dash
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that. I'm glad he has a mad dash.
Speaker 3: It feels like not that I like from.
Speaker 2: First on a single in the World Series, which is
Speaker 2: that he was running with the pitch, which is the
Speaker 2: thing that happens a few times.
Speaker 3: AG's cool. I dont feel like, you know, Slaughter has
Speaker 3: a lot of things attached to him. Yeah, so I'm
Speaker 3: glad he asked one, because I couldn't have named anything
Speaker 3: else that, you know, slaughter did.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Next one aircraft carrier. This one's a recent one, A
Speaker 3: car We're doing great.
Speaker 1: This, I like my brain is not clicking with anything.
Speaker 2: Like a aircraft carrier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is a he's a current player. His nickname
Speaker 3: was given him to him by his GM when describing
Speaker 3: him as talking about the state of the lineup. And
Speaker 3: it got it caught on.
Speaker 1: No, it didn't, it didn't.
Speaker 3: It was Wikipedia says it caught on. It is Cam Smith. No,
Speaker 3: Dan Brown described Cam Smith.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: Next one sloth bear mh alright, we your hint at
Speaker 3: this point. So this this is literally because of a
Speaker 3: Zoo t and because it and it was because it
Speaker 3: was a parody. Remember player on his own team.
Speaker 1: I remember this, This is this is the this has
Speaker 1: to be the Mets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, now remember now I remember with Smith Smith, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I remember there was Brown Bear, thun Bear JD. Davis
Speaker 2: with sun Bear. I thank you, okay, all right?
Speaker 3: Next one.
Speaker 2: Lot bear nickname in hindsight, little little questionable.
Speaker 3: Perhaps it's a zoot trip. Yeah, Craig now has a
Speaker 3: commanding one. Next one the wizard Smith. I got Craig first, right,
Speaker 3: next one we do all.
Speaker 2: That and then the wizards.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, Smith, I was like, ship smith
Speaker 1: is the last name in this smith?
Speaker 3: Sure a lot of smitties. Yeah, waiting rooms is to get.
Speaker 1: To studies.
Speaker 3: Because smitty is like, all right, So the I feel
Speaker 3: like the modern the modern hy ending nickname that is
Speaker 3: the one that people were just doing in the people
Speaker 3: have been why ing Smith for like the last one
Speaker 3: hundred and forty years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like news.
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, silver Fox? Oh, sorry, Jeff, oh, I
Speaker 3: don't know, all right, the silver Fox, Okay, all right.
Speaker 3: I thought that's the one where Jeff daking a glass
Speaker 3: of glass of tea would have been their fame. Also
Speaker 3: other nickname the Duke of Flatbush. Oh, duke I got
Speaker 3: that as a tie. Okay, yeah, silver Fox is his
Speaker 3: first name.
Speaker 1: I I don't know.
Speaker 3: I could not find You would think Duke Snyder's nicknames
Speaker 3: would be would have oorts stories. I could not find them.
Speaker 3: So maybe, well, you know that's just that is clearly
Speaker 3: just a newspaper one, right, But the silver Fox feels
Speaker 3: like it needs story, and I could not find a
Speaker 3: story behind silver Fox. All right, ready, Craig is here, Okay,
Speaker 3: nerd power.
Speaker 1: That feels like it's got him fair.
Speaker 3: Apparently recent yeah, not not not current, but fairly recent.
Speaker 3: It was given to him in the clubhouse when he
Speaker 3: was playing in Oakland.
Speaker 2: H Seth Smith.
Speaker 3: Good good guess.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Now I don't explain it.
Speaker 3: Oakland his the other HND why he is associated you're
Speaker 3: hold on, hold on if you're going to give another hint, Jeff,
Speaker 3: she gets to beat Guess again. I shouldn't get a hint. Whatever,
Speaker 3: you can guess again. If you get then the other
Speaker 3: hint he was at one point. This This nickname was
Speaker 3: perhaps cemented when he was nominated for the face.
Speaker 2: Of the game Eric oh So guard Yeah hip whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this one. I don't know if you're gonna get.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 3: El yo yo yo yo also also other nicknames El
Speaker 3: crudo so el yoyo in Spanish and Spanish for for
Speaker 3: the yo yo yes, wow, you know, and El crudo
Speaker 3: u basically is crude oil oil right, yeah, I have
Speaker 3: guests uh, no origins for these nicknames either. I'm guessing
Speaker 3: they have not. I don't know how well.
Speaker 1: J Jervis Slarte very good guess about that.
Speaker 3: I didn't think you guys would come.
Speaker 1: Up with him Hervey's I don't know what his nickname is. Uh.
Speaker 3: I think it was sexy time.
Speaker 2: Better than the oil.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the oil. Uh let's see, yes, uh el Ni, Petuchi,
Speaker 3: tutu or sexy time.
Speaker 2: Nicknames.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good nicknames. I didn't think you'd pull your
Speaker 3: from that. All right. No guesses on that one. That
Speaker 3: is Forge Hilaire.
Speaker 1: Oh all right. The last I almost had his last name.
Speaker 3: In second to last one. This one's a special case
Speaker 3: because this nickname has been disbanded. The player who had
Speaker 3: it decided he did not want to have anymore. Uh,
Speaker 3: it is the Executioner. Oh fucking sorry, Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah he did, I remember that because he disavout Mexico. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all right, So that quits Craig up four to two
Speaker 3: with one left, So congratulations to Craig. That means we
Speaker 3: don't have to have a fight over this last one.
Speaker 3: The last one is Lafierra, yeah, which it is long,
Speaker 3: So good job, Craig. You didn't have to go to
Speaker 3: Childish Membino, which was really.
Speaker 1: Would have been bad if I lost that one.
Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, Craig with an easy win.
Speaker 1: Yeah I might. I started have seeing Lafierra a lot
Speaker 1: when going to check my my own nickname status on
Speaker 1: a small reference or whatever, and and just had it implanted.
Speaker 1: Yeah I will, I will take it, and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: happy for the one. Thank you for the game. Patrick
Speaker 1: turned out okay, rough start.
Speaker 2: It was a real down slot of a game.
Speaker 1: A lot of down Smith in this podcast, and you
Speaker 1: know it'll it unlocked a few things. Yeah, maybe I'll
Speaker 1: have a wet burrito in his in his honor for lunch.
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