Speaker 1: I have a plethora of topics that I'd like to
Speaker 1: have your opinion on the other night, as many people
Speaker 1: were told in legacy media. And I got a little
Speaker 1: bit of a problem when I say this, because the
Speaker 1: way it was reported. I don't know if you would
Speaker 1: agree with this. Rod, many people heard about a SpaceX
Speaker 1: booster rocket hitting the moon, but they never in my opinion,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm splitting hairs. Tell me I should calm down
Speaker 1: if you want to, or maybe not. That it seemed
Speaker 1: to be in so many of these reports. Is if
Speaker 1: it was something that people could look up into the
Speaker 1: sky and say, it is a gigantic beacon or big blue,
Speaker 1: big plume of material around the moon. Tell us what
Speaker 1: really happened if you have any updates on this. I
Speaker 1: was out with the telescope three hundred power in a
Speaker 1: monsoonish partly cloudy sky. The left limb of the moon
Speaker 1: was visible. I waited. I watched other YouTube feeds with
Speaker 1: other telescopes. I saw nothing. Rod Polell tell us.
Speaker 2: More well, and you knew where to look right exactly.
Speaker 2: So the media portrayed this as depending which venue you
Speaker 2: were looking at, Oh, the sky is falling at the
Speaker 2: end of human civilizations we know it, or at least
Speaker 2: the other one that of course gets me is, oh
Speaker 2: my god, we're trashing the moon now. Look, humans have
Speaker 2: been throwing crap at the Moon since nineteen fifty nine.
Speaker 2: The first human thing to hit the Moon was Luna
Speaker 2: to which is basically a metal sphere filled with little
Speaker 2: medallions with the flag of the Soviet Union on it.
Speaker 2: It could claim lunar property before we had a treaty,
Speaker 2: so that spread all over the place, probably vape rize,
Speaker 2: but some of them have survived. Since then, We've had
Speaker 2: four upper stages some Saturn, five rockets impact for seismic studies,
Speaker 2: four lunar module ascent stages. The decent stages were left
Speaker 2: there as a launch platform, but the accent stages were
Speaker 2: crashed back in the surface. Russia's crashed a total of
Speaker 2: thirteen probes of one kind or another, and America seventeen.
Speaker 2: Largely the Rangers, if you recall, were sent. They were
Speaker 2: suicide missions. You know, they just took pictures as they
Speaker 2: got closer and closer and closer and then impacted the
Speaker 2: lunar surface and that's how they got the extreme close ups.
Speaker 2: So that's nothing new, but you know, most of this
Speaker 2: stuff stace crafted very light. They have to be to
Speaker 2: be launched and flown in space to get theirs is critical.
Speaker 2: So when they hit the surface, they either vaporize or
Speaker 2: at least fragment into tiny metal bits. And the Moon's
Speaker 2: a big place. So what really has done a number
Speaker 2: on the Moon was the great bombardment way back billions
Speaker 2: of years ago, which is why when you look at
Speaker 2: the backside, I don't need to tell you this. You know,
Speaker 2: you look at the backside of the Moon and it
Speaker 2: looks completely devastated compared to the near side because it
Speaker 2: was catching all the incoming flak and protecting the Earth
Speaker 2: to some extent. That really made the Moon into a
Speaker 2: lousy neighborhood. So, you know, compared to that, we've done
Speaker 2: very little as far as seeing it goes as you
Speaker 2: pointed out as the upper west limb. And I guess
Speaker 2: one telescope in Spain did upload a video that I
Speaker 2: saw that showed a tiny bit of e jecta material.
Speaker 2: It's a few frames worth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And you know a rocket, it's an eighty eight hundred
Speaker 2: stage eighty eight hundred pound upper stage of a SpaceX
Speaker 2: rocket which gradually got there because it had dropped off
Speaker 2: a couple of probes that tried to land on the Moon.
Speaker 2: But compared to the kind of impacts you can see
Speaker 2: flashes from which are you know, tens or hundreds of
Speaker 2: tons of these rocks smacked me into the moon. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised we didn't see much.
Speaker 1: No, it's incredible because if you go back in the
Speaker 1: annals of history, and not to continue on this theme,
Speaker 1: because there's many other topics. According to Canterbury monks around
Speaker 1: the year I think it was eleven to seventy eight
Speaker 1: a d. They wrote in their rather prosaic way back then,
Speaker 1: not like you're saying and I are speaking here. They
Speaker 1: wrote it in a different way, even though it was English.
Speaker 1: We think they noticed something on the left edge of
Speaker 1: the moon that looked like it was a big plume
Speaker 1: of fire coming out. They describe it as if the
Speaker 1: head of the large dragon. Now, that may very well
Speaker 1: have happened, now if the media got it right. Not
Speaker 1: everybody in the media, okay, But the exaggeration that I
Speaker 1: hear because a lot of people don't do the homework
Speaker 1: about this, and they're just talking about it because they
Speaker 1: don't have the experience that you would have as a writer.
Speaker 1: So it's very interesting whatever might have happened in the past.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine one of the giant lunar craters at
Speaker 1: the south, the crater Tycho, sixty miles in diameter. As
Speaker 1: people may not know, but if you do look at
Speaker 1: the Moon through a telescope or just go out and
Speaker 1: google a picture, you'll see what looks like these big
Speaker 1: long lines coming out of that. Now, I'm pretty confident
Speaker 1: that that would have been seen from the Earth way
Speaker 1: back when. But that was millions of years ago. Well
Speaker 1: there you go.
Speaker 2: Or if, as we had been planning in the nineteen fifties,
Speaker 2: both the US and the Soviet Union were planning to
Speaker 2: detonate nuclear warheads up there as a show of power, Well,
Speaker 2: unfortunately we finally decided not to because aar rockets kept
Speaker 2: blowing up and b As it turned out, Russians would
Speaker 2: have actually delivered a much larger warhead with a larger
Speaker 2: flash and a larger rejective plume, So we decided it
Speaker 2: wasn't worth going toe to toe with them. But that
Speaker 2: would have been a show.
Speaker 1: I would have nukes. The moon is not a great thing.