Speaker 1: Ello, Ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the I forgot
Speaker 1: to put the title there, seven hundred and thirteenth episode
Speaker 1: of The Keek for his podcast, You're such an asshole, Kirkland,
Speaker 1: And we'll explain when Taylor comes on. If he comes on,
Speaker 1: I am the Trickster Trash. Now I'm joined.
Speaker 2: By I'm the pig Batser. My name is till Mus.
Speaker 1: We are here for another Yeah, just to three. That's it.
Speaker 1: We are here for another Christopher Nolan movie. I say
Speaker 1: it like they're often, but it's just like I think
Speaker 1: I'm saying that because it's really often. Yeah, retro. So
Speaker 1: we've talked about all of them, yes, and that's why
Speaker 1: usually I say, hey, give us your elevator pitch this time,
Speaker 1: because we haven't done since Alpenheimer. I put every single one,
Speaker 1: except for the Batman movies, every single every single Christopher
Speaker 1: Nolan movie that we exist, we have watched, we've reviewed.
Speaker 1: They're all the feeds right now. So if you like
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Speaker 1: do you think about Momento? What do you think about
Speaker 1: Session Oppenheimer. We're all on there, so all the episodes
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Speaker 1: every single episode we've done. We'll talk about a little
Speaker 1: bit later. First, we're gonna start off with the Aussie.
Speaker 1: As usual, we're gonna do non spoilers again. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a very very old story. But in case somebody,
Speaker 1: which I know many people may have not read the book,
Speaker 1: In case somebody has not read it, then we won't
Speaker 1: spoil anything. We'll just give our non spoils overall thoughts.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna start with the man that just walked
Speaker 1: in the room here, Taylor Field.
Speaker 3: Hello, I'm the dad Taylor Field, happy to be here.
Speaker 1: We didn't think you're gonna make it.
Speaker 3: I was confident I was gonna make it. You know,
Speaker 3: never any doubt.
Speaker 2: You're like Odysseus on your way to this cast.
Speaker 3: I was taking twenty years mini of them eating eating stuff.
Speaker 3: But holy smokes, yeah, what what an odyssey? My goodness, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I I it's always different for me seeing these movies
Speaker 3: that are earlier, like the earlier, like two o'clock showing
Speaker 3: as opposed to like the later. But like it was
Speaker 3: a full crowd in my theater and there were multiple applauses.
Speaker 3: There was one scene which again when we get into
Speaker 3: the spoilers, like, I feel like things are just like
Speaker 3: heating up, it's getting intense, and one moment happens and
Speaker 3: like people were like whoh, like cheering and super fucking
Speaker 3: stoked at this one sequence and it caught me off guard,
Speaker 3: but I was I was very satisfied with with it,
Speaker 3: just like the other people were too. But uh, this
Speaker 3: movie was just it was a it was a damn
Speaker 3: good time. I was engaged. I feel like there were
Speaker 3: certain vocalizations that happened in here that just totally like
Speaker 3: rock me to my core at times, and it was
Speaker 3: just such a such a wild ride and like to
Speaker 3: kind of pull myself out of this and just kind
Speaker 3: of touch base on where people were really kind of
Speaker 3: picking it apart and just feeling like, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: like the I can't I don't want to say historical
Speaker 3: accuracies because again, it's it's a tale. It's a legend, right,
Speaker 3: and this is Christopher Nolan's retelling of this legend, this story,
Speaker 3: so you have that exactly like the are really breaking
Speaker 3: people are breaking it down and just kind of nippicking
Speaker 3: it like, oh, you know this at this point in time,
Speaker 3: this and this and da da da dah dah. And
Speaker 3: I understand you want to nippick those things, fine, but
Speaker 3: when you're watching this movie, like maybe it's just comes
Speaker 3: down to the person, but all this stuff like it's
Speaker 3: just going over my head, Like I don't care. I'm
Speaker 3: not looking at the historical actresses this movie. I'm just
Speaker 3: so engaged with like Matt Damon, then Hathaway, like like
Speaker 3: again halfway, she's a fucking standout in this movie. Holy shit,
Speaker 3: she's incredible. I really just think she's just she's a
Speaker 3: great actress. And then Matt Damon was just fucking knocking
Speaker 3: out of the park in here. And Tom Holland loved
Speaker 3: Tom Holland in here, like he just absolutely like everyone
Speaker 3: just brought their a game. It really was just so wonderful,
Speaker 3: Like even me a goth, like just they're all they're
Speaker 3: all just popping in here. And uh and yeah, you
Speaker 3: got Robbie as well. I was just so sadis Robbie,
Speaker 3: Robbie my boy, Robbie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know Robbie, she played one of the.
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, I mean there's not much I can
Speaker 3: really highlight the non spoilers without kind of diving in
Speaker 3: because it's just there's so much going on in this story,
Speaker 3: and that's just it's a damn good time. And because
Speaker 3: when I was done and I was at my engagement
Speaker 3: after the movie, and uh, my friends were like, oh,
Speaker 3: what was uh? What was what do you thought? What
Speaker 3: was the movie like? And I was like, you know what,
Speaker 3: it's just like you really feel for Odysseus and the boys, man,
Speaker 3: like this is the tribulations that they're going through. It's
Speaker 3: some ship, and it really is just I know it's
Speaker 3: one thing obviously if you're reading the book and you're
Speaker 3: familiar with that story, but I was, I'm out of
Speaker 3: touch with what happens in this legend, so visually seeing
Speaker 3: the tribulations that unfold, it's like fuck, Like.
Speaker 1: It's like I want to do the twenty for our stream.
Speaker 1: You know, that's what if you want to know what
Speaker 1: it's like, I wouldn't run away. Yeah, that's I.
Speaker 2: Had a lot of step in the eye.
Speaker 1: Why we had three sixty frames per second.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's some ship. It'd be some ship. But
Speaker 3: I would definitely highly recommend this for a theatrical watch.
Speaker 3: And again, my buddy, he messaged me when I the
Speaker 3: the movie was just about to start. He's like, well,
Speaker 3: he messed. I checked my watch highlighted right when like
Speaker 3: the movie was starting. It's like, you buy tickets for
Speaker 3: the Odyssey yet, And I was like, I can't respond now,
Speaker 3: but I messaged me after. I'm like, yeah, I bought.
Speaker 3: I just got to the theater. And he's like, oh,
Speaker 3: what people have been saying it was boring and you
Speaker 3: know all that kind of stuff, Like, No, I didn't
Speaker 3: find it boring. I felt like there's it felt very
Speaker 3: like chapterized, where like, Okay, we're dealing with this and
Speaker 3: this and this problem, and I think it worked for it.
Speaker 3: But there was never a moment where I felt like
Speaker 3: I was bored or we're in a bit of a lull.
Speaker 3: It was very engaging, and I just I wanted to
Speaker 3: see what happens next after one tribulation and the next
Speaker 3: thing and the next thing and the next thing, and
Speaker 3: it just kind of culminates quite well. I was trying
Speaker 3: to kind of read like a potential foreshadow with how
Speaker 3: things started off at the beginning of the film, but
Speaker 3: I was wrong because I thought like there was I
Speaker 3: thought maybe there's gonna be like a Nolan kind of
Speaker 3: time kind of thing going on and I thought I
Speaker 3: was right when we got to a certain partner at
Speaker 3: the end, but I was I was wrong. So in
Speaker 3: that sense, it feels like a very uh I don't
Speaker 3: want to say basic because that sounds negative. But in
Speaker 3: terms of like Nolan always trying to do like it
Speaker 3: kind of like plot twist or spin, it didn't have
Speaker 3: like any kind of like whoa kind of factor like that,
Speaker 3: like it would like a tenant where it has some
Speaker 3: kind of like backwards kind of thing or or anything
Speaker 3: like that. It feels more like an Oppenheimer kind of
Speaker 3: story where it's just like, Okay, you got like just
Speaker 3: this this general narrative in this direction through going and
Speaker 3: you just get some crazy moments along the way. So
Speaker 3: if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's definitely still his time, Like if it's
Speaker 1: not doing that way, it's still like messing with time.
Speaker 1: You're like in three different timelines at the same time.
Speaker 1: In this Vivie you know, so he love You're never
Speaker 1: other than Batman. You're never gonna Knowlan making a movie
Speaker 1: from point to point B. It's never gonna happen. You
Speaker 1: can't pin that man down. But dyl Muss, were you
Speaker 1: pinned down? For you? Got to see an imax completely
Speaker 1: jealous over here.
Speaker 2: So oh you dog, yeah, you dog big time.
Speaker 4: Hey, you guys are welcome to come join me anytime
Speaker 4: you want.
Speaker 2: To come to the island.
Speaker 1: I thought about it, pict.
Speaker 4: Trip on down Yeah, I uh yeah, I guess for
Speaker 4: the Nole the like background of this, I mean, big
Speaker 4: Nolan guy. Of course, don't love all of his movies,
Speaker 4: but you know, enjoy them, appreciate them for what they are. Honestly,
Speaker 4: I don't know really anything about this. Is this a
Speaker 4: completely fresh story for me, and I really tried to
Speaker 4: avoid ingesting too much of it, like before this kind
Speaker 4: of wanted to go into this movie and experience it
Speaker 4: from this perspective.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: And even I feel like I didn't see many trailers either.
Speaker 4: So you know, I was talking to someone today. I
Speaker 4: was telling someone I was gonna go see this, and
Speaker 4: they're like, oh, Hathaways in that, and I'm like, I
Speaker 4: don't even, I don't know is she? And then I'm
Speaker 4: not exactly sure. And that was like the first like
Speaker 4: fifteen twenty minutes of this movie is like every scene
Speaker 4: is just some world class actor that popped in and
Speaker 4: sometimes they like say one line and then they're just gone,
Speaker 4: and it's like, oh yeah, I just I had very little,
Speaker 4: I guess, expectations for what to really expect, you other
Speaker 4: than it's Nolan doing something different than he's done before,
Speaker 4: and of course it saw has a lot of the
Speaker 4: Nolan isms. But my god, boys, what inexperienced this movie is.
Speaker 2: I absolutely loved it.
Speaker 4: You know, the first ten to fifteen minutes, I was like,
Speaker 4: I don't know what the f is going on. I
Speaker 4: don't want these character meames, I don't know what the
Speaker 4: story is. I don't even know what we're doing here.
Speaker 4: But then, you know, after I kind of get my
Speaker 4: bearings a little bit and it kind of picks up
Speaker 4: and starts with the more linear ish story. I really
Speaker 4: was just kind of rap I was rapper it the
Speaker 4: whole time. No no, no dull moments whatsoever. And honestly, like,
Speaker 4: it's been a while since I've seen a movie this
Speaker 4: good and this powerful and this epic. And it even
Speaker 4: carried to you know, movie concludes, I'm driving home. It's
Speaker 4: like raining outside. It's very atmosphere. It's kind of like
Speaker 4: light out still in like a weird way. It kind
Speaker 4: of has a weird energy out there. I get in
Speaker 4: my car, I put on one of my favorite songs,
Speaker 4: Stealing Nana His Home at Last, which I've always known
Speaker 4: is based on the Odyssey, but I don't know anything
Speaker 4: about the Odyssey. So I'm like, let me put on
Speaker 4: my one of my favorite songs of all time that
Speaker 4: I never have had the context for.
Speaker 2: I'm driving home.
Speaker 4: Lightning starts blaring on the right side of me, lightning
Speaker 4: on the left side of me, like behind me, there's
Speaker 4: all sorts of storms going on. At one point on
Speaker 4: my drive home, I go over and overpass and there
Speaker 4: was lightning I feel like, just right above my head
Speaker 4: and that kind of completely illuminated the overpass and like
Speaker 4: the most epic way possible. I was like, goddamn, what
Speaker 4: is happening. This is like a religious experience or something
Speaker 4: like that. Zeus and then I parked and then I
Speaker 4: saw in their discord shut that you guys needed like
Speaker 4: ten fifteen minutes before we started. So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna go for a little walk and still
Speaker 4: just lightning blasting in all directions. It's like it's still
Speaker 4: like going off out there.
Speaker 2: If I lose power at some point, it's probably.
Speaker 4: Because the lightning destroys the like it's going crazy out there,
Speaker 4: but it was extremely epic and fitting for like what.
Speaker 2: This movie is.
Speaker 4: I'm like, zeus up there just popping off. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I absolutely love this movie, love this story. I mean,
Speaker 4: there's certain sequences in here. I mean, I guess I
Speaker 4: could spoil things because people know the story, but I'm
Speaker 4: not going to all wait until the spoiler section here,
Speaker 4: but certain sequences where it's like twenty thirty minutes of
Speaker 4: just like us, a kind of isolated sequence, and I'm
Speaker 4: just totally glued into all this stuff. And I think
Speaker 4: you guys brought up some good points of you know,
Speaker 4: no one's always doing stuff with time. Sometimes it's really
Speaker 4: direct with like Tenet or incemption in terms of like
Speaker 4: actual time dilation or reversing order and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: And then sometimes it's just the way he edits, the
Speaker 4: way he like story tells, And I think this movie
Speaker 4: is such a great moment of that. There's like certain
Speaker 4: there's a certain moment that's kind of hinted at a
Speaker 4: few times, or you get a glimpse of it, but
Speaker 4: then the meaning of it kind of only comes together
Speaker 4: in the end. And I think it just does such
Speaker 4: a masterful job of that that just give you like
Speaker 4: a twenty minute what feels like a short story or
Speaker 4: a short film, kind of isolated from everything else, and
Speaker 4: then a little sequence in between that ties things together,
Speaker 4: builds up that meaning go into another one of those
Speaker 4: weird little sequences. Does that a bunch of times this
Speaker 4: movie feels like it's seven hours long in the best
Speaker 4: way possible, and then it kind of all culminates in
Speaker 4: the end in just such an epic fashion. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I absolutely love this movie. I mean, the soundtrack is
Speaker 4: unbelievably great, so so outstanding, and yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 4: I have to think where the Nolan ranking of it
Speaker 4: all is because it's still so fresh in my mind,
Speaker 4: of course, but I yeah, absolutely adore this movie.
Speaker 1: Fan. Yeah, which time, we should probably only a newscast
Speaker 1: do like a reranking, because I'm pretty sure when we
Speaker 1: did our ranking, the original retro was leading up to Dunkirk,
Speaker 1: and I think we foolishly, which I'll put on myself,
Speaker 1: we did the ranking episode always before the new movie,
Speaker 1: so I think we have dun Kirk, Oppenheimer and this
Speaker 1: to rank, and now it's like a whole big topic,
Speaker 1: like just like a side main topic on newscasts. I
Speaker 1: think we could revisit it, and I know it's in
Speaker 1: the feed somewhere, so I'd like to listen and see
Speaker 1: what's maybe changed or not change it all since then.
Speaker 1: So maybe we'll revisit in the July August time frame
Speaker 1: or even Helmet may maybe even do that on GV Day.
Speaker 1: That might be a good like if we're downtime just
Speaker 1: sitting around looking at our list, see what's going on?
Speaker 1: So who knows? Kirk Compatzer, do you know how you
Speaker 1: feel about this movie? Christopher Nolan?
Speaker 2: Uh, somewhat. I somewhat know how I feel about their
Speaker 2: Appenheimer's situations. Uh, maybe we'll see. Yeah. No, I was
Speaker 2: really excited for this flick. I didn't like know the well,
Speaker 2: I guess I did know the story. Uh, one of
Speaker 2: my favorite games of all time, age mythology. It it
Speaker 2: touches upon some aspects of this journey just because you
Speaker 2: deal with like Odysseus and like just some things in there.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll hold my tongue in case people really don't
Speaker 2: want to know what goes on in this adventure. But
Speaker 2: I knew the main hitting points and then a little
Speaker 2: while ago. I just went on YouTube and it was
Speaker 2: just like the story of the Odyssey, so like I
Speaker 2: got like the main like pillars of everything of what happened,
Speaker 2: and that really didn't affect my enjoyment whatsoever of this
Speaker 2: because I still was like fully gripped and engage in
Speaker 2: this adventure, although I like, I feel like I didn't
Speaker 2: really remember like what was going to be happening next,
Speaker 2: but I just I like, once we're in those situations,
Speaker 2: like to do how it unfolded. But yeah, it's just
Speaker 2: such an epically made tale and so well made across
Speaker 2: the board, Like casting is just insane. I feel like
Speaker 2: Tom Holland was like, like I do love Tom Holland
Speaker 2: as my spider Man, but he was just like so
Speaker 2: not like at like an interest level for me for
Speaker 2: this specific movie. It's like, Okay, he's Odysseus's son, it's
Speaker 2: gonna be Tom Holland. I'm sure I'll like him enough,
Speaker 2: But he was actually my standout for this film. I
Speaker 2: feel like I was blown away by Tom Holland in
Speaker 2: this movie. It's just a very different type of role
Speaker 2: than him doing Peter Parker, and like he was he
Speaker 2: was doing so well, like I'll save it till we
Speaker 2: get into the spoiler section, but he was amazing for
Speaker 2: me in this movie, and Telemacus is like it's a
Speaker 2: lot more of a main character role than I kind
Speaker 2: of was expecting it to be. I think going into
Speaker 2: this movie, the Great Hidalgo just powered through the novel,
Speaker 2: so he was telling me a little bit like his
Speaker 2: role in it that I was kind of surprised of
Speaker 2: just how much tel Macus is kind of in this story.
Speaker 2: But I think it, uh yeah, I think it's just
Speaker 2: an amazing telling of this tale. The score is like
Speaker 2: so on another level. I feel like the start of
Speaker 2: the movie, I'm like, I'm not getting anything much out
Speaker 2: of this score. But then there's like prolonged scenes where
Speaker 2: I just felt like I was in the woofer, like
Speaker 2: I was just getting blown back in like the best
Speaker 2: of ways. A terrible example of like way too loud
Speaker 2: of sound is Venom Too Let there be Carnage. That
Speaker 2: was like the loudest fucking screaming movie I've ever dealt
Speaker 2: with that. It just pissed me off. This was like
Speaker 2: it was so loud, but it was like totally necessary
Speaker 2: for I feel like for the scenes that were happening,
Speaker 2: and I felt like Oppenheimer kind of had that a
Speaker 2: little bit, especially like after the Trinity Test thing, like
Speaker 2: when there's that trippy scene of him just like seeing
Speaker 2: people in the gym that are like melting and it's
Speaker 2: just so loud and like visually just it's just like unsettling.
Speaker 2: I feel like there was a couple scenes like that
Speaker 2: in here, and it was just so well, yeah, just
Speaker 2: so executed, Like it just totally amplified the intense scenes
Speaker 2: that were happening on screen. And I was sweating in
Speaker 2: this movie. I was fully like tearing up in this movie,
Speaker 2: like like it totally gripped me emotionally. I was so
Speaker 2: mad at certain characters, like villainous characters that you should
Speaker 2: be mad at, Like there's just so much going on
Speaker 2: in this adventure, and like it just totally carries the
Speaker 2: title of E for epic, like this is an epic
Speaker 2: tale and they like, uh, Nola totally totally executed, just perfectly,
Speaker 2: And in my opinion that I thought it was a
Speaker 2: flawless movie. Maybe it's too extreme, but as of right now,
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a flawless movie. So like maybe
Speaker 2: on rewatch there'll be some things I have a little
Speaker 2: more grapes on, but yeah, really really really really fun.
Speaker 2: And yeah, John Bernenthal also, I just loved him as Metalais.
Speaker 2: I like he is. He is that caliber of an
Speaker 2: actor that it's just like I love him. But I
Speaker 2: just can't not see like the John Burnhal character as
Speaker 2: John Burnhal, like I'm waiting for that line to drop,
Speaker 2: the whole scene that he's like having this like emotional
Speaker 2: talk with another character, and I'm like, he's gonna say it,
Speaker 2: He's gonna say he's got something to say, and like
Speaker 2: just his mannerism, the way he's eating food and stuff,
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is just fucking this is this is
Speaker 2: John Burneth all right here. So I I like him
Speaker 2: a lot, and he was he was great addition in here.
Speaker 2: I don't really want to talk too much about any
Speaker 2: of the characters. I feel like there's a little bit
Speaker 2: spoilers in there. But yeah, what a thrill ride of
Speaker 2: three hours. It didn't feel like it. I feel like
Speaker 2: we zoomed right by. Yeah, go see this movie. If
Speaker 2: you have Imax, go see this movie. I can only
Speaker 2: imagine how intense some of those like loud sequences are
Speaker 2: in IMAX because in our theater. It was I was
Speaker 2: feeling it. I was feeling the epicness of just the
Speaker 2: visuals and the sound and everything and just picturing like
Speaker 2: some of the sets that they had to make to
Speaker 2: make this movie, Like it just feels so authentic, whether
Speaker 2: they're like way out and see it's like just terrifying
Speaker 2: nighttime like storms out on the sea, and it's just
Speaker 2: like I'm getting sweaty right now, which is just picturing
Speaker 2: that type of environment. And uh, yeah, I love all
Speaker 2: the cost you. Yeah, I feel I can go on
Speaker 2: and on about the stuff that I loved about this movie,
Speaker 2: but i'll uh, I'll pass along because we're gonna eventually
Speaker 2: want to get into some spoilers. I feel, as the.
Speaker 3: Question because because you were just you'r highlighting that that stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, just getting sweaty watching those scenes. I think
Speaker 3: that's the best part is getting that representation of humanity.
Speaker 3: And again I know it's a legend, but you know,
Speaker 3: the suits of armor and the ships and just the warfare,
Speaker 3: just getting that visually and just come and face to
Speaker 3: face with humanity all that long many years ago, just
Speaker 3: like fuck.
Speaker 2: How like.
Speaker 3: How do humanity just endure and go through that ship
Speaker 3: and now here we are like so many years later,
Speaker 3: Like I like the humans of today could not even
Speaker 3: stand to the humans of back then, Like there's totally
Speaker 3: different calibers like whole but.
Speaker 2: Like j yeah, he's not mapping, he's not mapping in
Speaker 2: I'll tell you something happened now, Yeah, like adding on
Speaker 2: to what you mentioned there, like how different life was
Speaker 2: back then. But there's still like so many like crazy
Speaker 2: moral conundrums in this movie that I'm like, humans haven't
Speaker 2: changed at all. We're still just so equally as right
Speaker 2: and like just horrible, Like you see the dark side
Speaker 2: of human nature in here. It's just like unfortunately, this
Speaker 2: is just such a timeless problem. Uh you know, just
Speaker 2: just greed and yeah, just symbolism in here. And I
Speaker 2: think that's probably why this tale has just stood the
Speaker 2: test of time. Like there's just so much unravel here
Speaker 2: as opposed to just an epic ride back home.
Speaker 3: That's right. And one thing too that's kind of funny
Speaker 3: is like the overarching kind of like looming fear of
Speaker 3: like you know, a guy will do something and then
Speaker 3: you know you could just be like, oh you know
Speaker 3: you might upset zeus. You know that guy could be
Speaker 3: Zeus and it's like you hear the thunder rumbling, and
Speaker 3: the people like, oh fuck. You know. But nowadays, you know,
Speaker 3: like Dylan, here's that thunder and he's like, I just
Speaker 3: gotta get home and do this.
Speaker 1: Review because the gods have left us. You know, we
Speaker 1: don't see these acts of the gods anymore.
Speaker 2: There's no all the time. When we're talking about a
Speaker 2: knock on your door, Sandia's right across the room just
Speaker 2: staring at me.
Speaker 1: That just means he needs therapy, just like like really
Speaker 1: that's what, like not big sports, but like you know, Odisse,
Speaker 1: he's just needed some good therapy. He suffered from massive PTSD, depressing,
Speaker 1: war sickness, survivor's guilt, but he doesn't have that. It's
Speaker 1: all he has is a boat and a dream and
Speaker 1: a little stick and you know whatever his wife gave
Speaker 1: a little golden lady. But yeah, I am. There was
Speaker 1: a point where with Christopher Nolan was always like, well,
Speaker 1: I can't say like he's the greatest director of all
Speaker 1: time right because he still knew he's only done like
Speaker 1: the Dark Knight trilogy and Prestige Inception. There's a couple,
Speaker 1: you know, other ones, but it's like, ah, you know,
Speaker 1: and then Oppenheimer, I think I dropped, but now I'm
Speaker 1: like especially right, like I don't care. He's been around
Speaker 1: long enough, and the amount of films this guy has
Speaker 1: done that have like defined you can say, like a
Speaker 1: decade but a generation of allwa going back from to
Speaker 1: Memento in the indie circuit to revolutionizing the com book
Speaker 1: for as with The Dark Knight and then Inception blowing
Speaker 1: things away like all those guy's not one hit wonder
Speaker 1: even though he had other movies, wasn't like, oh, the
Speaker 1: Dark Knight's gonna be his peak and that's it, right,
Speaker 1: then Exception happens and then Interstellar and then Appenheimer and
Speaker 1: there's other ones in there, right, Like I like all
Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan's movies. I got nothing that's a blow an eight.
Speaker 1: So for me, he's my favorite filmmaker, grace filmmaker, and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bury lead. Yeah, this was everything I
Speaker 1: was hoping for and more like I still was gonna
Speaker 1: be happy if it was also just an eight at
Speaker 1: ten and be okay. This is another because like there's
Speaker 1: dun Kirkintenet that you know aren't my favorite ones, but
Speaker 1: I still really enjoyed this. Yeah, man, this was everything
Speaker 1: I was hoping for. I got to because I've been
Speaker 1: going to the gym so much. I got to wear
Speaker 1: my shirt that I wore in two thousand and eight
Speaker 1: for the Dark Night. I got to rock that. So
Speaker 1: I gotta go full circle there, and.
Speaker 2: Uh, are you waiting right now?
Speaker 1: It's just fucking hot as shit outside right now. I'd
Speaker 1: be like i'd be like in the Trojan Detroy battle.
Speaker 1: I'll be like sweating and everything. But no, and just
Speaker 1: again like in two thousand and eight when I was
Speaker 1: sitting there, and that's like I loved movies, of course,
Speaker 1: but really made me love movies the whole, like, oh,
Speaker 1: they don't make movies like they used to. You can't
Speaker 1: say that with Christopher nole Man, Like you can't say that.
Speaker 1: And he's doing even better. It's so many times when
Speaker 1: we talk about and that I watched in preparation, I
Speaker 1: did read at Slash listen to the Odyssey, and then
Speaker 1: also I got some more that I want to watch.
Speaker 1: But I watched Troy this week and yeah, not a
Speaker 1: great movie. No, it's not a great movie. It's one
Speaker 1: of the rare movies where brad Pitt's really bad. But
Speaker 1: it was one of those things where it scored a
Speaker 1: little higher for me because like, oh, look at these
Speaker 1: sets and it's practical, and I was watching, like, man,
Speaker 1: I do miss so much of this stuff. I get it,
Speaker 1: we got the volume all cgi, and sure there's also
Speaker 1: effects in this movie, but it feels like a living,
Speaker 1: breathing movie. I never feel like I'm taking out. It's
Speaker 1: all working. Even the score, which is that sometimes feels
Speaker 1: like a little like modern all works. Again, none of
Speaker 1: that stuff, any of the stuff with the casting or
Speaker 1: historical stuff, doesn't bug me. And all those people just
Speaker 1: are fucking like, can't enjoy life. It's a fucking like
Speaker 1: a novel that could be potentially fake. Just do something
Speaker 1: else with here, And same thing with the anacuracies. As
Speaker 1: far as me, the music or people saying dad or mom,
Speaker 1: I don't care about any of that. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I was here for Christopher Nolans Odyssey and I got it.
Speaker 1: I won't hit it. But it was like with not
Speaker 1: even in the movie, just every twenty minutes, it's the
Speaker 1: fucking chills. There's something that happens, whether it's a performance,
Speaker 1: whether it is the score, in the Ludwig Man like
Speaker 1: he is. This guy's been killing it since Black Panther
Speaker 1: and on like he did like something happened like him
Speaker 1: and Ryan Coogler. They must have done some high octane drugs.
Speaker 1: And ever since then, these guys have been rolling because
Speaker 1: they just remember Black Panther like all. This guy's really good,
Speaker 1: like can't wait to see his queer and look at
Speaker 1: where he is now. He's already won like three or
Speaker 1: two Oscars. He's probably getna win one for this and
Speaker 1: he is a character in this movie just like everybody
Speaker 1: else's right, but he's just the music performances all around.
Speaker 1: I have multiple standouts. I don't think I have like
Speaker 1: the one. I think my triffect would probably be an
Speaker 1: Robert and Tom. But I'm not surprised by Tom because
Speaker 1: I feel like I say this all the time, I
Speaker 1: might be like one of the only hundred people that
Speaker 1: I've watched The Devil all the Time, which was a
Speaker 1: movie that he did with Robt Passon, and that was
Speaker 1: the first I saw Tom Holme, and oh he can
Speaker 1: actually act. He's not just Spider Boy and he gets
Speaker 1: to do that here. And Damon's great too, But Damon
Speaker 1: a lot of time has just be very stoic as Odysseus. Right,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of him reacting and stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and then oh yeah, he got in great shape for this.
Speaker 1: And the the thing I'll say is he he meaning Nolan.
Speaker 1: He teases like a few times in Batman, there's a
Speaker 1: few jump scares, but the first time he like showed
Speaker 1: some horror it to him wasn't Appenheimer where it's that
Speaker 1: scene where everyone when the people's faces are melting and
Speaker 1: it's silent and killing. Murphy's like having PTSD. I don't
Speaker 1: think Nolan's gonna ever make a full horror movie. But
Speaker 1: the horror fan or the horror ISM's or that horror
Speaker 1: bone that he has in body, he was flexing in
Speaker 1: this movie. There's three sequences, one specifically that we are
Speaker 1: watching like what we would think like an a twenty
Speaker 1: four weird horror movie, and it's from the book. It's
Speaker 1: not as graphic in the book, I'd say, but there's
Speaker 1: stuff for That's where I and I get it because
Speaker 1: we talked about this with Clay and Mike, and but
Speaker 1: Clay he's like, oh man, the Nolan actions always bugs me,
Speaker 1: and I go, I don't know if he's ever gonna
Speaker 1: change that. But what I appreciate Nolan with Appenheimer and this,
Speaker 1: I feel like he's doing new stuff all the time.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to do these things, but these sequences
Speaker 1: and segments that are like really fucked up and scary
Speaker 1: that doesn't fit with Nolan, Like from Memento to Dark
Speaker 1: Knight or even Interstellar and Dunkirk. There's intense sequences of course,
Speaker 1: but not stuff I'm like, oh, this would be fit
Speaker 1: right into any sort of deep horror movies. So yeah,
Speaker 1: this was a I can't throw the masterpiece ward around yet.
Speaker 1: I gotta settle with it. I'm sure there'll be discussions,
Speaker 1: but I is easily Like I loved Project Hail Mary.
Speaker 1: This is my easy bullet like movie of the year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a movie that when we get to that
Speaker 1: twenty the twenty twenties like year like decade and Golden
Speaker 1: yeeks like this will be up there, like I'll have
Speaker 1: to see what's come out from now to twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: But man, this is a It's just incredible and Nolan
Speaker 1: just surprises me every time, and it was just a
Speaker 1: work of art. I can say that if I can't
Speaker 1: say mass preciet, I can say a work of art,
Speaker 1: and I just can't again if this guy retired now,
Speaker 1: look at their careers at But I just can't always wait,
Speaker 1: like I just feel there's Don't get me wrong, I'm
Speaker 1: excited for Dune Project, Kill Mary was that, but no
Speaker 1: one for me just has it. I think for a
Speaker 1: lot of us too, But just like there's just something
Speaker 1: there's he's got something if you were tell me he
Speaker 1: made a deal with the devil to give his music,
Speaker 1: like his movies a little like extra hospub like okay
Speaker 1: that tracks because I can watch these other movies that
Speaker 1: are ten out of ten's are great, but there's just
Speaker 1: something when Nolan's going, Man, he he just has like
Speaker 1: a spell over me and I didn't and I hope.
Speaker 1: I definitely will see this again theaters before it's out.
Speaker 1: It's a long movie, but it's just because of the scope.
Speaker 1: I want to see it again. But yeah, man, this
Speaker 1: is uh. I can't wait. And it felt much like
Speaker 1: what you said Kirk with the Lord of the Rings movies.
Speaker 1: This felt like three hours, nothing move, like a clip
Speaker 1: like I was never like checking the watch worried. So yeah,
Speaker 1: highly recommend to if you like film, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: something in here for you. So anything else on sports?
Speaker 1: Before we start breaking things down.
Speaker 4: Should we just pack up Golden Gieks for the year
Speaker 4: and just call her done? Like, just give all the
Speaker 4: awards to the Odyssey and move on. Save ourselves A
Speaker 4: cast trying.
Speaker 1: To think, Oh, Reaperd's three is still coming out, and
Speaker 1: I've heard some really good things about that. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's now the it's the one to be,
Speaker 1: you know, we well, we got some other side characters
Speaker 1: to do and whatnot, so we'll see, but uh, we'll
Speaker 1: get into it. So for some reason, if you've not
Speaker 1: read the book, don't heard about the book, or of
Speaker 1: course you want to hear the changes, and you've not
Speaker 1: seen the movie, now's the time to bow out. We're
Speaker 1: gonna take an ad break and we'll be right back
Speaker 1: into the Odyssey. And we are back where do we
Speaker 1: want to start with the Odyssey? Because it's you know,
Speaker 1: lots of places, lots of people, lots of things.
Speaker 2: Taylor's got an idea. I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 3: I got an idea, I mean maybe a bold idea,
Speaker 3: but I'd love to just kind of dive into some
Speaker 3: of these like tribulations that the boys are doing. Come
Speaker 3: like on their way back, starting off with the Cyclops,
Speaker 3: the boys, the boys and the crew. Like when I
Speaker 3: was talking about the vocalizations, that just fucking terrifying, terrifying shit,
Speaker 3: Like when they get into that cave and they get
Speaker 3: trapped and then like the Cyclops like rolling around like
Speaker 3: he looked fucking fantastic, Like that was freaky shit, and
Speaker 3: like it.
Speaker 1: Just well, I just want to stop before I forget,
Speaker 1: because I will forget that shot. When they first see
Speaker 1: the Cyclops, he sees so what, but then he closes
Speaker 1: the rock and then it's completely black, can't see him anymore.
Speaker 1: That was another where oh my god, like what a great,
Speaker 1: great way to tease him, and then he's gone. He's
Speaker 1: in the shot. He don't worry he is. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think again too. That's that's one of
Speaker 3: my favorite tricks for not overcompensating and just relying on
Speaker 3: CGI is just kind of using your peripheral vision. And
Speaker 3: they did that like the whole time, Like when they
Speaker 3: were retreating out of the cave and they just kind
Speaker 3: of show the Cyclops out in the distance, like between
Speaker 3: the tree lines and whatnot. Obviously they show a little
Speaker 3: bit more when he's in the water, but still he's
Speaker 3: kind of hidden mostly by the water. It's just his
Speaker 3: head that's out, but in the cave where it's dark,
Speaker 3: and it's just like shushing the sheep in and out,
Speaker 3: and like some of the guys get out, some of
Speaker 3: them stay behind. And then just that howl he makes
Speaker 3: when they jab into its eye. It's like, oh, my god,
Speaker 3: nightmare stuff. And then like I'm with the boys, like
Speaker 3: why do why did Odysseus have to do that? When
Speaker 3: he's like they're all retreating out in the cyclops, just
Speaker 3: sitting in his little his doorway, and Odysseus is like,
Speaker 3: fuck you. I'm paraphrasing it shoots the arrow.
Speaker 1: What his h yeah changes yeahah, David full Boston accent,
Speaker 1: fuck you.
Speaker 3: It's how did you guys feel about the whole cyclopes
Speaker 3: and leading into the other tribulations?
Speaker 4: My god, I think that's my favorite sequence in the
Speaker 4: whole movie, Like I just love I don't know how
Speaker 4: long it was, twenty minutes, thirty minutes, I'm not sure
Speaker 4: how long it was, but man, just the whole journey
Speaker 4: of them being stuck in there, slowly devising plans, plans,
Speaker 4: changing the cyclopes, kind of surprising them in different ways.
Speaker 4: The horror of it, Like, yeah, when he closes the
Speaker 4: door and I kind of had like a perception of
Speaker 4: how big this creature was, and then when you actually
Speaker 4: see like the full size of it, and it's like
Speaker 4: four times as big as I thought, it would be
Speaker 4: just amazing stuff. The look like they don't make special
Speaker 4: effects like this, I didn't know. I didn't know if
Speaker 4: such thing as possible looks so good. The storted face
Speaker 4: and the way that yeah, the mouth and eye, the
Speaker 4: way they're kind of like twisted is just absolutely nasty.
Speaker 4: The like texture of the skin. It's one of those
Speaker 4: things I'd be so curious to see, like the making
Speaker 4: of Like I wouldn't be surprised if they have a
Speaker 4: huge hand practical effect that they use for some shots,
Speaker 4: because it looks so good and so authentic, which is
Speaker 4: crazy for like a giant fantasy creature like that. And
Speaker 4: I think, you know, often times of movies they do
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff in dark places because it's easier
Speaker 4: to hide some of that stuff. But you get a
Speaker 4: lot of big, full on shots of this thing, and
Speaker 4: then you even do get the full daytime shots as well,
Speaker 4: and so I just am amazed by how good those
Speaker 4: special effects. I was totally immersed. I'm like, how did
Speaker 4: they make a giant for this movie? It's crazy how
Speaker 4: good this thing looks.
Speaker 1: They had to have, I know, because they did do
Speaker 1: stuff practical, but like when you're telling then there's another
Speaker 1: moment to you when they're by the feet and looked
Speaker 1: so realistic, like they gotta have some big version of this.
Speaker 1: But yeah, shout out to Bill Irwin, who, like he's
Speaker 1: the guy you've seen. I think he actually plays like
Speaker 1: mister Noodle and Sesame Street, like he's like has like
Speaker 1: a career being a character actor. But he played the
Speaker 1: cyclopes and great body movements like oh, you're not much
Speaker 1: speaking lines or anything, but just makes you feel and
Speaker 1: I love the look. He's just rotten everything. I'm another Kirk.
Speaker 1: Do you feel about the cyclopes?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was terrifying. I think that totally blew me
Speaker 2: away because I was like, that was like the part
Speaker 2: of the adventure I like knew the most about, Like
Speaker 2: I knew how they got out, like like dressing up
Speaker 2: like sheep or like at least putting on the like
Speaker 2: the straw to mimic looking like shit, Like I pretty
Speaker 2: much knew that from start to finish, But like Dylan,
Speaker 2: I was honestly expecting to be so much smaller, Like
Speaker 2: I thought it'd be like twelve feet tall, which is
Speaker 2: like huge, but not this like literally attack on Titan
Speaker 2: type level of threat and just grabbing them when it's
Speaker 2: just like he's just looking at them and just eating
Speaker 2: like the heads off the soldier, Like it's just yeah,
Speaker 2: And like later on Odssey's even as a line, it's
Speaker 2: like like, well, like why don't you talk to us?
Speaker 2: It's like would you talk to ants? Like that's literally
Speaker 2: how he sees us. Like it's literally just you go
Speaker 2: with the cattle, you or you go with the sheep. Right,
Speaker 2: So it's just I thought all of that was really
Speaker 2: well done. The horrorse I was really good. Uh, And
Speaker 2: I I really really like the look. It's it's so
Speaker 2: different than how I've kind of seen Cyclopsis designed in
Speaker 2: the past. I really like just like the twisted nature
Speaker 2: that it is, just like it's just a it's just
Speaker 2: a freak, just a freak show of of a design.
Speaker 2: It has the humanoid iss right, like like it looks
Speaker 2: like it has the sockets of a regular human, but
Speaker 2: then it's like the noses twisted, the eyes twisted, uh
Speaker 2: really like like yeah, like the stone skin that it
Speaker 2: kind of had like that that was a good touch too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's just Bill. But just like, yeah, like all
Speaker 2: of it's hard to like break down everything because I
Speaker 2: just feel like everything was just so perfect, Like like
Speaker 2: like Odysseus' reaction to like, yeah, well, well it's light
Speaker 2: a fire, we'll welcome the homeowner's back. Like when they
Speaker 2: get he's eating his cheese like man like, and then
Speaker 2: and then he's just totally like in shock, like when
Speaker 2: he actually sees the threat, and yeah, just the way
Speaker 2: that it looks looks at them is so terrifying. But
Speaker 2: for me, it's like just totally the cherry on top
Speaker 2: is like the audio effect when he gets stabbed. It
Speaker 2: is so fucking loud from him wailing and also just
Speaker 2: like the score like supplementing that higher sequence, and it
Speaker 2: literally doesn't stop until they get off of the island,
Speaker 2: Like it's so persistent and it just adds such a
Speaker 2: level of like threat and danger and yeah, bold move
Speaker 2: shooting that last arrow off at your enemy. I respect
Speaker 2: it as an online PvP gamer, you know, I respect
Speaker 2: making the move, but holy fuck man, he could have
Speaker 2: saved a lot of his men if he if he
Speaker 2: didn't do that right, because the he wasn't even chasing them.
Speaker 2: He's like, okay, yeah, you guys are out of there.
Speaker 1: But there's always a chance he could have chased him
Speaker 1: and had better eyesight. Right, So, you don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: Odysseus he was already flying, but he could be even
Speaker 1: more blind if you shoot with an.
Speaker 2: Arrow pissed off.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he's a.
Speaker 3: Little more psight than being blind.
Speaker 1: Well, but just like John, like Guizamo, though, he's like,
Speaker 1: I can't see everything, so there's a chance that he
Speaker 1: could ue.
Speaker 3: I don't think he saw anything. He was full on ears.
Speaker 1: That's what he told us though.
Speaker 3: He he who always John John.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he even said I can't see everything. I
Speaker 1: can't see much, so he could still see it, like
Speaker 1: a little some saying the cyclops could have maybe saw something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's definitely just a play to like, hey, fuck you
Speaker 1: for killing our guys. But uh, he's going through some stuff,
Speaker 1: you know. And and then this is where because I
Speaker 1: want I didn't want to butt in, and I want
Speaker 1: to use his example where it'll be interesting for people
Speaker 1: that like live and die by this book and they
Speaker 1: don't like changes. For me that all the changes they
Speaker 1: do in here, that's why I'm always like I'm down
Speaker 1: for Christopher Nolans Odyssey in the book. This is like
Speaker 1: a very kind of like silly, more comedic scene how
Speaker 1: he how they do this is they get the giant
Speaker 1: drunk and then they fall asleep and then he pokes
Speaker 1: it and it's all about like the giant and they
Speaker 1: have full conations with him of like oh uh, because
Speaker 1: Odysseus lies and gives a different aim and then after
Speaker 1: they blind him, the Cyclops is like, oh, there was
Speaker 1: a fortune given to me that Odysseus was always gonna
Speaker 1: blind me, and you tricked me by giving me a
Speaker 1: fake name. If I knew you were Odysseus, I would
Speaker 1: never let it come the cave. And Odysseus is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you tell me, like you tell everybody, A fucking little
Speaker 1: man made you blind, and like so that's where for me,
Speaker 1: don't get wrong, this seems great in the book, but
Speaker 1: what Nolan did here, that's where it's like I want.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Nolan could make a fun, great scene of
Speaker 1: all we're gonna get the giant drunk. I don't want that.
Speaker 1: With what we got here, It's like, this is what
Speaker 1: That's why there's many versions. That's why adaption is great
Speaker 1: because I would take this horrifying, claustrophobic, scared for your
Speaker 1: life scene over. Oh yeah, like let's have some fun
Speaker 1: here and be a little comedic. So again, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be changes that are throughout, but I was I was
Speaker 1: very happy with this, and again that's why it's what
Speaker 1: I'm here for, right to see what Nolan's gonna do.
Speaker 1: And a very scary scene and like you said to you,
Speaker 1: they pretty much mask them up until the water and
Speaker 1: even that it's like small, which is good because Nolan
Speaker 1: said his inspiration for this was the shark from Jaws
Speaker 1: and the first alien from Alien. Then I think they
Speaker 1: achieved that type of vibe of you know, you see
Speaker 1: it a bunch, but it's also always hidden, like even
Speaker 1: if it was in the water, I felt you the
Speaker 1: justin because they they had this nice moment. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: gone and then these two guys are swimming back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we made they got swallowed up and man, just just horrifying.
Speaker 1: You're just looking back there and this thing's chasing you.
Speaker 1: So one of the many few like horrors of this movie.
Speaker 3: And it's a different kind of again, different era of
Speaker 3: men too, Like we just them all being in here.
Speaker 3: You know, they're they're brawn, they're fighting. But I really
Speaker 3: liked how they're like, oh no, instead of sending just
Speaker 3: two guys, let's do four, because it's two guys that
Speaker 3: this thing eats and then it goes to sleep. So
Speaker 3: we're gonna take advantage of that kind of component.
Speaker 2: So I like that.
Speaker 3: I like them kind of thinking on their feet and adapting.
Speaker 3: And I feel like in every tribulation it's them, some
Speaker 3: of them either caving and it's succumbing to the temptation
Speaker 3: or some of them kind of like getting tactical and
Speaker 3: figuring out how to work their way around these situations.
Speaker 3: And I feel like we the Cyclops was a big one,
Speaker 3: and I was confused first pit second when all the
Speaker 3: men were out, Odysseus is like turns around and it
Speaker 3: just jumps in the cave, like what the fuck are
Speaker 3: you doing? But like, oh, he's got buddies still in there,
Speaker 3: so that makes sense, so he's not leaving them behind,
Speaker 3: which which I like. But yeah, when when those two
Speaker 3: guys are swimming in the water there, that's just Yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel like there were many instances where the boats
Speaker 3: should not have been beached the way they were. They
Speaker 3: should have taken the little dinghies out. Don't beat your
Speaker 3: fucking boats on the land. Man.
Speaker 1: Well they might, but they might thought they might stay
Speaker 1: like longer. Right, there's a chance they stay overnight or
Speaker 1: for a couple of days. So but no, but they
Speaker 1: didn't know the fucking giants. But I'm just saying, like
Speaker 1: their point of view is they're thinking they don't know
Speaker 1: how long it could be. Right, you don't want to
Speaker 1: risk something happening where your boat's out there and it's
Speaker 1: damage or lost. Then you have what your little dinghies
Speaker 1: you're supposed to get back home.
Speaker 3: Like I had three boats, he had three, so he
Speaker 3: had you know, some muggle room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it. But I can see why they
Speaker 1: were why they did what they did. You know, it's
Speaker 1: their attack plan made sense to me of uh, you know,
Speaker 1: because they did that with on the Sun God planet. Right,
Speaker 1: they took the boats and they were there for days
Speaker 1: upon days, right.
Speaker 3: So they got beached.
Speaker 1: Right the win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they took the Dinghies and that would have been
Speaker 3: a different serve, but I guess they didn't have anchors
Speaker 3: back then.
Speaker 4: They took the Dinghies when they went and had the
Speaker 4: whole Circe sequence too, right, Just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because they because they were over it, because
Speaker 1: they all just and they get there, like, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: staying there, right that what you guys like, is it
Speaker 1: a mutiny? Uh, it doesn't have to be. But they're
Speaker 1: just insinuating like we're gonna stay the night, we're gonna eat,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna leave you here, and just brutal
Speaker 1: because I guess he's made some to them some questionable calls, right,
Speaker 1: but just to leave this guy who led you into battle, Troy,
Speaker 1: you were there for years, and you're like, you know what,
Speaker 1: now we're gonna we're gonna jack sparrow you and leave
Speaker 1: you here. It's like, man, this guy and then he
Speaker 1: saves their butts later on, So obviously I like that
Speaker 1: joke when he's like, oh, we leave in the morning
Speaker 1: and he's like, I can't remember his name, but the
Speaker 1: guy that Hamshed Patel plays, I'll pull it up here
Speaker 1: and but for them, but when he just kind of
Speaker 1: gives in the head and not like yeah, okay, you've
Speaker 1: you've made it back in but yeah, what did you
Speaker 1: guys think about the seriously sequence?
Speaker 2: My god man, Yeah, that was disturbing for sure. I
Speaker 2: was waiting for that scene and it did not go
Speaker 2: how I thought he was gonna go at all. It
Speaker 2: was very much like some body horror stuff. I feel
Speaker 2: it was very long sequence of her like actually turning
Speaker 2: them back or sorry, turning them into pigs. And then
Speaker 2: even turning back that was equally disturbing, just like she's
Speaker 2: rubbing them. It's like turn back into your disguise is
Speaker 2: turned back into she repeating this line every morning.
Speaker 1: That's witch.
Speaker 2: Your disguise. Witchcraft is fucking creepy when it's portrayed this way.
Speaker 1: Again, no one's never done you know like that like
Speaker 1: the body horder and that type of stuff, Like that's.
Speaker 2: A new substance level.
Speaker 1: Someone said that when we're walking out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I also thought they were gonna be pigs
Speaker 2: for like much longer.
Speaker 1: I think in the book they are a little I
Speaker 1: don't think it's as like I don't think he shows
Speaker 1: up like like right away and like, hey, what's going on?
Speaker 1: I think there is?
Speaker 2: It seem pretty little for him to be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: just turn them back, so okay, okay, And then I
Speaker 2: actually laughed out loud because like the next scene is
Speaker 2: like the men like putting on their their shit back
Speaker 2: in and they're just coming back into the house. They're
Speaker 2: just like what the fuck was that? Like that was
Speaker 2: like that was the most fucked up event of my
Speaker 2: entire life. Like I turned into a pig, literally, I
Speaker 2: was forced to eat. And now we're just back and
Speaker 2: and business as usual. We're not going to take any
Speaker 2: revenge on this lady. We're just gonna keep going about.
Speaker 2: It was just like the way that Buddy looked at
Speaker 2: Circe and then Odysseus, It's just like, what the fuck
Speaker 2: even was that? Like that was just so terrifying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny like that that sequence. I thought everything
Speaker 4: was going kind of normal at at first, and then
Speaker 4: when they go outside and like with their weapons aside,
Speaker 4: and there's just piles of weapons. That's when I was like, oh, okay, well,
Speaker 4: I'm say something's gon here. And the one guy who
Speaker 4: look like Pedro Pascal, but I don't think is, but
Speaker 4: I swear I was like, why is peedron this moving
Speaker 4: like doesn't have like a spoken line like what's going
Speaker 4: on here?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: He like looks over sees like this pile of stuff
Speaker 4: and like all these guys, these guys are cooked. And
Speaker 4: I thought it was just gonna be classic poison and
Speaker 4: they were just gonna drop dead. But I guess that
Speaker 4: obviously makes sense when they were hinting with all the
Speaker 4: like lions and tigers and things like that all the
Speaker 4: all the way up there. But yeah, that sequence just disgusting,
Speaker 4: like even whatever they're eating and just how long and stringing,
Speaker 4: how it looks like a tapeworm or something like that.
Speaker 4: Like it's just disgusting. But they just can't be stopped
Speaker 4: and they're just like, yeah, almost puking as they're eating
Speaker 4: all this stuff. That sequence was I like, I like
Speaker 4: you mentioned that Traves, it just feels like Nolan's never
Speaker 4: done something quite like that before. And then yeah, just
Speaker 4: like the really nasty zoom in shots and then we
Speaker 4: she's like molding them like clay. Uh uh, not our
Speaker 4: patron Clay, but like clay molding. It's really really gorgeous stuff.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, I just absolutely nasty sequel into
Speaker 4: the but I couldn't look away at the same time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and good if it's more brought the lion leopard.
Speaker 1: That was a great build up as far as they're
Speaker 1: walking past all these dangerous animals and they're just chilling
Speaker 1: do nothing. They're like, okay, like why like why wouldn't
Speaker 1: But maybe they're trained, well why didn't they flinched? But
Speaker 1: just the and obviously then and great reveal too, when
Speaker 1: Matt Damon shoots at the deer and then just a
Speaker 1: butt ass naked dude in the field and he's running back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he runs back to the boat guy Josh Stewart. He
Speaker 1: just takes all the stuff like you you just stay here.
Speaker 1: But that's right, even before the pig stuff, just even
Speaker 1: them eating the food and the way they had the
Speaker 1: actions in the food that was disturbing enough that was
Speaker 1: gross and like felt so off, Like every time she
Speaker 1: saw on Hamish Pattel and he's just like shits like
Speaker 1: and he just stuffed like even before she started tormenting
Speaker 1: their faces. I was like, Okay, this is super messed up,
Speaker 1: and uh, it's giving me the hev GE's. This was
Speaker 1: my favorite sequence of the movie just because it was
Speaker 1: I like, I just didn't think he was gonna go
Speaker 1: this far. And again, I'm very glad this movie was radar,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure in PG. Thirteen this couldn't happen. Very
Speaker 1: glad they're not like, yeah, yeah, that's kind of like, No, man,
Speaker 1: I just made Oppenheimer one, you best picture. You're gonna
Speaker 1: keep this pig scene's gonna stay in here, you know,
Speaker 1: And I loved it. That's a nightmare fuel type of scene,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: So the way Odysseus like talks her down and convinces her,
Speaker 4: you guys are right, maybe it is like a big
Speaker 4: brief I suppose, probably compared to the book at least.
Speaker 2: But I really love that.
Speaker 4: Obviously he does have some leverage there where he's got
Speaker 4: his hand around the neck of the bird who turns
Speaker 4: out as her sister. But yeah, I just love that
Speaker 4: that dialogue sequence there and how he wasn't ready to
Speaker 4: give up on his I mean, I didn't think she'd
Speaker 4: be able to turn them back.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 4: I just assume that, you know, especially if this bird
Speaker 4: is like important to her, then she would have turned
Speaker 4: this bird back obviously, because that was someone that was
Speaker 4: important to her. But yeah, I don't know that that
Speaker 4: was a really good sequence because I think obviously we
Speaker 4: saw a lot of that where violence and like rage
Speaker 4: is what fueled him early on. But I think he
Speaker 4: really tried to switch it up and sometimes you just
Speaker 4: got to fight through a whole sequence.
Speaker 2: We see that at the end as well.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I thought the dialogue there was was really
Speaker 4: well done.
Speaker 1: So now next time you're on island, you know, not
Speaker 1: to take the meats.
Speaker 2: You know, take the meats.
Speaker 3: Don't take Yeah, although I mean that first the food
Speaker 3: looked really good. I mean, she had tons of stuff
Speaker 3: cooking in there. I'm sure it smelled good and you
Speaker 3: go in there. But yeah, just when I don't think.
Speaker 1: It looked very good, I went doing it looked it
Speaker 1: looked as it looked like we have.
Speaker 2: Raman i've ever seen in my life there.
Speaker 1: Right now to be a pig has to come.
Speaker 3: In and take her down a not so she turns
Speaker 3: me back. But uh yeah, once it was going down
Speaker 3: their throats, they're like all choking on it and whatnot.
Speaker 3: That was a bit, uh, a bit gruesome. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just it's it's cool in retrospect because it's like, okay, well,
Speaker 3: now you know, all these big cats going up the valley,
Speaker 3: wy are all people that she's turned into animals for
Speaker 3: some specific reason. But yeah, she It was interesting because
Speaker 3: she was able to be reasoned with. And I don't
Speaker 3: know much about Circe, but yeah, it was just a
Speaker 3: disgusting scene, really disgusting just when she puts her hand
Speaker 3: on like the guy's jab, pulls it out and just
Speaker 3: just reshaping them and all that stuff. Oh, this is
Speaker 3: just gross and not something I was expecting. But good effects,
Speaker 3: good practical effects and all that stuff that they were
Speaker 3: employing here. So I really like that, but yeah, yucky.
Speaker 3: It was cool. She kind of like joins, not joins
Speaker 3: her side, but kind of like sets them up, like okay,
Speaker 3: well you want to go to this beach, you know,
Speaker 3: make a sacrifice and then you're going to talk to
Speaker 3: some ship.
Speaker 1: So yeah, go to Haites everything like that, and then great,
Speaker 1: great scene, good great. Uh I call them Harry James
Speaker 1: Ramar he's you know, and I knew that was James.
Speaker 2: I just liked sure, but I'm like, this sounds exactly
Speaker 2: like fucking Harry.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was Harry. I love that he's an old
Speaker 1: guy like he he always says these great scenes and offin.
Speaker 2: Was he I didn't even catch it.
Speaker 1: I can't remember.
Speaker 3: He's like mud man.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, trigging the blood trice.
Speaker 4: I thought was rolling for a second rolling. I could
Speaker 4: not tell who that was.
Speaker 1: But yeah, tire sees whatever. I'm not gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: butcher these names. But yeah, James, Yeah, he's an Oppenheimer.
Speaker 1: He had a great scene stealer when he made that
Speaker 1: terrible joke and Oppenheimer and then he's in here and
Speaker 1: like a very like like he did like if you
Speaker 1: were to say, like, hey, Dafoe's gonna do this type
Speaker 1: of role. But yeah, the photo is that weird stuff
Speaker 1: all the time. But like, I don't pick James is
Speaker 1: like doing the weird type of role guy, right, And
Speaker 1: that's why I like again, it was just like I've
Speaker 1: never the the weird stay saying James roond Do is
Speaker 1: like a whore anthology where he like made love to
Speaker 1: a gargoyle back in the day and that was like
Speaker 1: back in the eighties, so it's been a minute. So
Speaker 1: that whole sequence was great. The look of everybody of
Speaker 1: every man done. I was getting like Senya Blade, like
Speaker 1: what the hell is the full.
Speaker 4: Name of the games and was sacrificing?
Speaker 1: Yeah whatever, that the way they're looking all muddy and
Speaker 1: oily and stuff. As I getting that big vibe Page
Speaker 1: is greater, I had to laugh because Emily doesn't follow
Speaker 1: stuff as much anymore. So I'm sure we'll circle back
Speaker 1: to it. But when Elliott Page's well, first of all,
Speaker 1: the movie opens with Travis Scott Bold and then the
Speaker 1: next shot see Page and he's there, He's sitting there
Speaker 1: on the beach and that gets killed the arrows and
Speaker 1: they just laughed because she thought she had not seen it,
Speaker 1: because I knew Elliot Page was coming back and see
Speaker 1: you on like in in the mud and doing the
Speaker 1: whole prophecy thing, but she had not seen maybe just
Speaker 1: maybe one tease or something, so like God tip Page
Speaker 1: and then he just got killed right away. She's like,
Speaker 1: oh really, that's that's all like thirty seconds of screen
Speaker 1: time a yet. But then now he got some more stuff.
Speaker 1: But now this this was fit again all like this
Speaker 1: is gonna be a bit when we get to Golden Geeks.
Speaker 1: For it's that It's that this is that movie where
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, here's the ten scenes from Odyssey, what
Speaker 1: do we do with this? But everything the whole sequence
Speaker 1: just talking about just sacrifices and how like Odysseus thought
Speaker 1: he was doing a good thing for zion CeON, however,
Speaker 1: for I'm not. I'm gonna lie to him and not
Speaker 1: tell him the truth that we're in here because he's
Speaker 1: being noble and doing this right. But then he's like, well, no,
Speaker 1: you lie to me. So I just saw you kind
Speaker 1: of a band to me. I was on my own side.
Speaker 1: I questioned everything, I did everything about this battle. So
Speaker 1: like again, like Odysseus, many times this movie figures out,
Speaker 1: oh I was wrong to do this, but what.
Speaker 2: Is this his line too, he's like, I was right there.
Speaker 2: I heard you won the war.
Speaker 1: He won the war. But it's like that didn't that
Speaker 1: didn't help him and his journey, right, And that's where
Speaker 1: and again we get to that at the end with
Speaker 1: the Trojan horse everything. But he was so goal oriented
Speaker 1: on winning this and doing this, he didn't think about
Speaker 1: that stuff till after it was all over. And even
Speaker 1: then he hasn't thought of this until he has to
Speaker 1: see the ghost of this dude. Right, But great sequence, phenomenal.
Speaker 1: I got one nitpick in a second, But I'll wait
Speaker 1: till you guys circle around. There's another character that pops
Speaker 1: up that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, I think that the visuals of that sequence were unbelievable.
Speaker 4: I did have a question for you guys, because I
Speaker 4: feel like I classic Nolan. Sometimes you just can't hear
Speaker 4: things properly because of the sound mixing. I do think
Speaker 4: this was much better than Tennant, which had a ton
Speaker 4: of those issues.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, maybe.
Speaker 4: It's because I was in Imax. Bragg got to the
Speaker 4: audio balancing is much better there. But the guy who
Speaker 4: was like the really big guy with the kind of
Speaker 4: the black armor set, who was like married to Helen
Speaker 4: of Troy, Like what happened between them I totally missed,
Speaker 4: Like he betrayed her or took her daughter.
Speaker 2: I missed what happened there. I was gonna say, either wan,
Speaker 2: that's Agamemnon. He's like the king of the Greeks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: his brother was John Bernenthal Manelaeis and his wife was
Speaker 2: Helen and Troy. So when Helen and Troy got taken,
Speaker 2: Agamennon is like my bro, my bro, you know, we
Speaker 2: gotta we gotta go storm Troy and get your woman back,
Speaker 2: but in reality and egame, Moon wanted to just fuck
Speaker 2: up Troy because they're in charge of the trade routes, right,
Speaker 2: because they're in like a strategic location. But he's married
Speaker 2: to Helena, Troy's twin sister. I guess yes, so Lapita
Speaker 2: played the same same.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One part you forgot to mention though, is John
Speaker 1: Berthnall's wife. She did wasn't taken. She left Berthal for
Speaker 1: a different guy like this, So this happens in the
Speaker 1: Lily four the Odyssey. Yeah, you haven't seen the Troy
Speaker 1: Watch Troy is like a good prequel, but like I think,
Speaker 1: I think it's all covered in the Liliad too, and stuff,
Speaker 1: which I think I might read after because I think,
Speaker 1: like the Trojan Horse in the War of Troy is
Speaker 1: in the Odyssey, but it's not like it's just lots
Speaker 1: of time referred to, like it's like, oh, that happened,
Speaker 1: and we know this person from that. I think most
Speaker 1: that takes place in the Liliad because it's like all
Speaker 1: these characters and then aunt like Odysseus kind of spins off.
Speaker 1: But what happens is John Berthall's wife leaves him, so
Speaker 1: he goes to Benny Saftie, who's agamonomon, you know whatever,
Speaker 1: Darth Vader looking motherfucker, who was great. That's why I
Speaker 1: want to nitpick until he spoke. I wish he did
Speaker 1: something the exact same thing he start Vader and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is this, make sure you uh don't leave your
Speaker 1: wife and don't go home, and it's.
Speaker 2: Like Aora Maxine, like like when when they opened the
Speaker 2: gates of Troy and he's just standing there. Oh my Vader.
Speaker 2: I'm like like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when he walks, it vibrates. He had like he's
Speaker 1: so big, and then when he's and it's weird because
Speaker 1: Oppenheimer he has he does a deep voice in Oppenheimer,
Speaker 1: so I know he can do it. I think maybe
Speaker 1: he was trying to like maybe seem like in death
Speaker 1: now he's not scary, So if that's the purpose, I
Speaker 1: get it. But yeah, because we never see him again.
Speaker 4: I had such a different experience, like I since I
Speaker 4: didn't know a ton of the cast, or like I
Speaker 4: learned about these things and then forgot, like James Ramar
Speaker 4: and Safti, I didn't realize either of them were in this,
Speaker 4: and then I saw Safty in the credits, I was like.
Speaker 3: Who the fuck was Benny's safety in this movie?
Speaker 2: So for me, honestly, it worked.
Speaker 4: I I was tricked, I was deceived, So that.
Speaker 2: Worked for me. I wasn't taking out of it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, So like what Kirkland says, Birthlall's wife leaves him,
Speaker 1: that's all reapeda that's helling sure, And that's why she
Speaker 1: gets her face cut up, because it's like when he
Speaker 1: gets her back, that's her punishment is because she's so beautiful.
Speaker 1: That's why people would go to war for and fight.
Speaker 1: Let's mess up her face, right, So when he takes her,
Speaker 1: Benny Safty has always wanted to go fuck up Troy
Speaker 1: and invade it and destroy it. But they use this
Speaker 1: excuse of oh, well you stole my brother's wife. But
Speaker 1: really it has nothing. It has a little do with
Speaker 1: Helen Troy, but like it doesn't have like she's just
Speaker 1: like a straw man. So that and then but when
Speaker 1: he goes home, that's why Kirkan says, the sister fucks
Speaker 1: him up because he killed a bunch of people and
Speaker 1: ruined her twin sister's life. So when he's there getting
Speaker 1: ready to get late, he's like I have one took
Speaker 1: an over Troy, I got the trade route and then
Speaker 1: she kills him. It's like a family, like you hurt
Speaker 1: my sister and you did a bunch of other innocent people.
Speaker 2: The worst thing that he did was he literally sacrificed
Speaker 2: to her for better winds.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of things, Yeah, it's a lot of things.
Speaker 2: There. There was like a flashback cutscene to like her
Speaker 2: in tears when that moment happened. So I think that
Speaker 2: was very much the incitings.
Speaker 1: Probably the CROs but the other stuff didn't help. You know,
Speaker 1: the other stuff didn't help the winds.
Speaker 3: You know, he needed the winds on his side.
Speaker 2: You know, worked won on the war.
Speaker 1: He just didn't get to survive much after.
Speaker 2: You know, he didn't have what is right arguably he wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Or Achilles or anything like that, right.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he was mentioned in this.
Speaker 4: He died way before the horse, so Bingo game to
Speaker 4: play watching a new Nolan movie with like, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: this actor wasn't like this other Nolan movie. You know,
Speaker 4: Elliott Page hasn't been in something since inception. A bunch
Speaker 4: of these people were in Oppenheimer. So a lot of
Speaker 4: them are building up a little streak here, but in
Speaker 4: Matt Damon of course, like it's it's so much fun.
Speaker 4: And Hathaway, like all these people have like been in
Speaker 4: a movie at some point, maybe not for like ten
Speaker 4: fifteen years or something like that. It's it's really fun
Speaker 4: to kind of get the crew all back together in
Speaker 4: a way, and then just a million new like amazing
Speaker 4: actors who have never worked.
Speaker 1: With him, even the guy because I'm a fan of
Speaker 1: him from The Collector too. And so the guy who's
Speaker 1: like the bar who like holds like he's the ship
Speaker 1: guy that's always holding the thing like left or right.
Speaker 1: He's like Bain's number one henchman in the Dark Knight
Speaker 1: rises like he's just a guy that's a sniper and
Speaker 1: he's just like that's all he does. But he's in this.
Speaker 1: And we did this after once spent Onhile, Hollywood, we
Speaker 1: should do a Nolan draft before the next movie and
Speaker 1: do like a we all draft five actors and see
Speaker 1: who can get closest of getting them in there. Because
Speaker 1: and I like it, Like you said, it's like it's
Speaker 1: different eras you know, because Matt Damon and Hathaway are
Speaker 1: more of that like the tens Era, right, and then
Speaker 1: some of these people are the Oppenheimer and whatnot. I
Speaker 1: am still Wayne, Like I hope his next movie. I'm
Speaker 1: waiting for Bail will come back and waiting for Jack
Speaker 1: when it feels like he's not pulling from like or
Speaker 1: Joseph goryon Levitt, Like I could be wrong, but I
Speaker 1: feel like Elliott Page, unless it springs, his mind is
Speaker 1: the oldest one that he has connection to, Like, is
Speaker 1: there anyone past Inception in this cast?
Speaker 2: Well, isn't Ann Hathaway like older or.
Speaker 1: No, that's Interstellar though that's twenty twelve, so that's after
Speaker 1: inception and during.
Speaker 2: So okay darkness.
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, So I think like Elliot Page is like
Speaker 1: he is like the the the veteran of the group,
Speaker 1: Like I was trying to think of anybody else, And
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of new people.
Speaker 2: There's a couple other side characters I recognize that might
Speaker 2: have appeared in something beforehand, Like yeah, that was always
Speaker 2: wearing the fucking stirrups, that was making noise and then
Speaker 2: at the end he's like throwing weapons into the fighting arena.
Speaker 1: Logan Marshall Green, Yeah, like you're just confusing for Tom Hardy.
Speaker 2: I always do.
Speaker 1: Because he's like the lookalike.
Speaker 2: I swear I thought he was like a like a
Speaker 2: henchman in in the in the the Baine movie Dark
Speaker 2: Knight Rises, But I guess not.
Speaker 1: Am I even Josh Stewart again, you know, you know
Speaker 1: it's a.
Speaker 2: Good little side character, though I would love to see
Speaker 2: him more things has John? How do you print the
Speaker 2: last time? Le Gizmo? He feels like.
Speaker 1: The first time too, John, So you know, even Tras Scott,
Speaker 1: he's he's more a return leg zob because he was
Speaker 1: in an inner cellar or he's in ten it you know,
Speaker 1: and did this song for that. But okay, where were we?
Speaker 1: But oh yeah, Haiti seen anything else that on the
Speaker 1: the Haiti sequence here?
Speaker 2: Uh no, I I love that. I really was curious
Speaker 2: as to the visuals, like what the hades location would
Speaker 2: would look like? Uh not what I thought, but I
Speaker 2: really dug it. I like the silhouettes of the shades.
Speaker 2: That was terrifying. When they basically chase him out of there,
Speaker 2: that was terrifying. Uh, James Ramar, that was just cherry
Speaker 2: on top. Yeah. It also just felt like because Odiss
Speaker 2: is going down this hole like this this road. Now
Speaker 2: he's been told like this is basically what has to happen.
Speaker 2: You're like, all your men are gonna die. You're gonna
Speaker 2: be the one that makes it through. And he's like
Speaker 2: clearly like, well, I'm gonna go against the gods. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna do x y Z. I'm just waiting
Speaker 2: for terrible stuff to happen. And uh, of course it
Speaker 2: kind of end up happen, especially for his men later on,
Speaker 2: but in that moment, it just felt like everything that
Speaker 2: was coming up, I'm just nervous. I was just nervous.
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, he's he's bringing down the wrath of
Speaker 2: Zeus and Poseidon and all these other fucking Greek gods
Speaker 2: on everyone. He's got a you know, just tearing up
Speaker 2: every time she looks at him, just feeling so sad,
Speaker 2: like it's just bad times.
Speaker 3: But we had a good exile himself though, even though
Speaker 3: he lost his man. I mean, he's just shacking up
Speaker 3: with Charlie Staron and this island just him and this lady.
Speaker 6: And yeah, which in the book, like Davy Jones, Davy
Speaker 6: Jones were out this guy, yeah seven years just saying
Speaker 6: out with one of the hottest actress of all time.
Speaker 1: But like in the movie, they really did the full
Speaker 1: like he wasn't tricked because she was like nursing him
Speaker 1: back to health, but really like a I've been here,
Speaker 1: like sleeping with you this whole time. In the book,
Speaker 1: it is not like that. He's he's very much like
Speaker 1: he's cognizant of like he's cheating on his wife. It's
Speaker 1: a struggle. He cheats on his wife multiple times like
Speaker 1: another woman in the book. Like so in in the book,
Speaker 1: it's more like I do really want to go home,
Speaker 1: but I'm dealing with this war torn stuff. Can I
Speaker 1: go home? Right? And eventually she's so sick of it
Speaker 1: because he just keeps some of those wife and his son.
Speaker 1: She's like, you get out here, like go fack to
Speaker 1: your fucking like this is clearly and like what do
Speaker 1: you mean, Like yeah, like you clearly still love her.
Speaker 1: Go and he realized, oh, I do love her. But
Speaker 1: in the books it's he's much more a willing participant
Speaker 1: in the affair, where here it kind of felt like
Speaker 1: it was like a like a, yeah, I had a
Speaker 1: niche a sort of situation, right, but uh so they
Speaker 1: kind of took that and I think for the most part,
Speaker 1: they did make him kind of a uh, not a
Speaker 1: likable lead, like some questionable stuff I think in the books.
Speaker 1: So he is much more of a I won't say
Speaker 1: a complete piece of shit, but way more of a
Speaker 1: tougher to like where I've in the movies that kind
Speaker 1: of like down for him.
Speaker 4: In this I never waiver, Like it always felt like
Speaker 4: he his heart was in a good place and they
Speaker 4: had to like sacrifice people along the way, I guess,
Speaker 4: but it felt like it was for not just himself,
Speaker 4: but for like the most amount of lives to get
Speaker 4: back home. It seemed like he was making decisions in
Speaker 4: that way, even if he was a bit greedy sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still feel like they did a good job
Speaker 2: though at highlighting. I mean, like it's it's a struggle
Speaker 2: that he clearly showcases by the end, like when he
Speaker 2: has the flashbacks to the actual sacking of Troy and
Speaker 2: just like realizing it's almost like an Oppenheimer moment, right
Speaker 2: like when he does like I've become death, like destroy
Speaker 2: of world, It's like that's basically what he what happens.
Speaker 2: It's like this is the most extreme case of like
Speaker 2: breaking the law of Zeus right like literally gave like
Speaker 2: a sacred artifact to these people as like a like
Speaker 2: an offering of peace, and then we hid in it
Speaker 2: and then just slipped their throats in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night and it's just execute big as sin and
Speaker 2: then just like tying it into of like these the
Speaker 2: people that came from the sea like this this like Boogeyman.
Speaker 2: That's just like everyone is. Feel like there's just so
Speaker 2: many things, like like symbolisms I think that were kind
Speaker 2: of revealed in that final moment and it's like, oh wow,
Speaker 2: like I single hand and like this is when he's
Speaker 2: talking to Penelope too, and she's like, well, many men
Speaker 2: were obviously like at cause of this. It's like yeah,
Speaker 2: but it was one man's idea and like all of
Speaker 2: that weight kind of falls on his own shoulders. Again,
Speaker 2: very similar to like how Oppenheimer was was kind of
Speaker 2: going through all that out that was showcasing the movie.
Speaker 1: I feel like you can tell, you know, I could
Speaker 1: be wrong, could be reading into it, but I don't
Speaker 1: think so. I feel like you can tell the way
Speaker 1: that the world that Christopher Nolan feels about it with
Speaker 1: his last two movies, that they're so fucking bleak and
Speaker 1: just about how men betray each other and turning each
Speaker 1: other and how like the future is like I hope
Speaker 1: we figure it out, you know, like it's like the
Speaker 1: bomb of the end, like, well, what happens if someone
Speaker 1: does use this? And it's like, well, Oppenheimer, I hope
Speaker 1: you didn't screw us over right, And I think this
Speaker 1: one ends on a bit more of a bit more
Speaker 1: hopeful because it is that kind of you know, the
Speaker 1: whole you know, treat Stranger's kindnesscause he never really could
Speaker 1: be the gods in disguise, right, But still that whole
Speaker 1: third act is a lot of these men trying to
Speaker 1: take advantage of a situation, just like he did right
Speaker 1: with the Gift. They're not doing anything that he didn't do,
Speaker 1: Like it's still within the battles of war, and same
Speaker 1: thing here, like he is a guy that they're trying
Speaker 1: to take over and he's exiled and everything. So again,
Speaker 1: but it's the idea of you can do these things,
Speaker 1: but should you do these things? Same thing with Alben
Speaker 1: him or the bomb.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So I think the fact that his last two movies
Speaker 1: have been very I think worldly and about these big
Speaker 1: themes as far as the Pandora's Box and what you
Speaker 1: should do with it and the cost of life, I
Speaker 1: think is very telling, and you know, hopefully people pick
Speaker 1: up on that stuff. But you know, definitely a depressing
Speaker 1: double feature and long double feature, but a good one nonetheless,
Speaker 1: I think. So.
Speaker 2: The last thing I want to shout out that was
Speaker 2: kind of morally questionable too is when I think it's
Speaker 2: like the first island that they arrived to and they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I told you that we would land somewhere to get fitted. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they literally just get murder and like just burn
Speaker 2: the village right then and there. It's just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like why didn't you Why didn't you bring us
Speaker 2: in and feed us? It's like this starving village even
Speaker 2: though it's like another example, you guys are literally just
Speaker 2: the people from the sea, Like you literally just just
Speaker 2: just boted on in, came in murdered these people, burnt
Speaker 2: their their lands, took their food. Like these people are
Speaker 2: fucked now, Like like what if these are zeus in disguise?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, there's a couple. Like I feel like early
Speaker 2: on those moments are like really sprinkled in and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: he's doing for the greater goods. So it's it's a
Speaker 2: heroic type, like it's a necessary thing that he has
Speaker 2: to do. Then by the end, when he's having that Pts.
Speaker 2: Detroit moment seeing Athena being beheaded, like it's just okay,
Speaker 2: maybe I am the bad guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's one thing I think they did a
Speaker 1: good job because in the book it's like that you
Speaker 1: don't like. The reason why Idysseus can be like not
Speaker 1: a great main character as far as like you're rooting
Speaker 1: for all the time is because they are just combands
Speaker 1: of war and no one's like exactly right in the situation, right.
Speaker 1: I think another time when they nailed it is when
Speaker 1: Tom Holland is learning all this birth noll he's bonding
Speaker 1: with him and he's saying goodbye to him, and he says,
Speaker 1: by Helen Troy and he like wraps his arm around
Speaker 1: her hand neck and pulls her way and ray away.
Speaker 1: Tom Al's like, oh, there's a whole different side this
Speaker 1: guy I don't even know about. Right. So from his perspective,
Speaker 1: John Berthnell's character is like a good guy, helped him out,
Speaker 1: friend of his dad. Oh I loved your dad. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna train you, I'm gonna give you ideas to get
Speaker 1: your kingdom back, but really behind closed doors, he also
Speaker 1: destroyed his wife's face, you know. And that's where it's like,
Speaker 1: none of these people are They're all just killing people.
Speaker 1: It's like, you sick when they get this island and
Speaker 1: it cuts just all their houses are on fire. It's like,
Speaker 1: did you actually need to do that part two? Like
Speaker 1: I doubt you really had to ransack everything, right, So
Speaker 1: it's I think they did a good job of not
Speaker 1: losing that that he is our main protagonist character and
Speaker 1: that's a journey. But these aren't like heroes. They're not
Speaker 1: heroic people that won a war. They literally were vikings
Speaker 1: and destroyed everything, right, So m.
Speaker 4: M yeah, to skip to another tribulation, that's probably, you know,
Speaker 4: one of the lower tier ones, but it's still a
Speaker 4: really well done sequence. It's just another time they land
Speaker 4: ashore and then we I don't know what the name
Speaker 4: of these like giant silver guys.
Speaker 2: What is the holy fuck man? I I don't know
Speaker 2: what they're called. That was such an intense scene though,
Speaker 2: like can you imagine, Okay, you're you're you just survived
Speaker 2: Troy ten years long siege. Okay, now we're just gonna
Speaker 2: start just island hopping here. You know it's going somewhat okay,
Speaker 2: you're losing some men on the way. You land on
Speaker 2: this one island and you just see these just fucking
Speaker 2: eleven foot tall giants wearing full fucking plate armor. Listrigonians
Speaker 2: there you go.
Speaker 4: That's a word right there.
Speaker 2: And they just fuck you up like you can't even
Speaker 2: you can't even democracy with these guys. You know, you can't,
Speaker 2: can't you can't try in peace talk that Like they
Speaker 2: literally are just fucking you up. You have no chance.
Speaker 2: They're fast, they're chasing you in half.
Speaker 3: Well, the trees, you got the ns that are against
Speaker 3: you too. These fucking trees are moving around, just cages,
Speaker 3: just like fishing a barrel.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, terrifying.
Speaker 1: And my favorite sequence of that was when they get
Speaker 1: on the one boat and they pan out and they
Speaker 1: just see the giants like destroying the boat with their
Speaker 1: bare hands, flipping it over, and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're just hearing the cries of like fifty men.
Speaker 3: That was a lot of men that died, but that
Speaker 3: one the one that did pull me out. When they
Speaker 3: saw the first like giant infant like the boy and
Speaker 3: then like boy stood up and like turned around and
Speaker 3: like screamed. I was like, I'm getting like spoiled Brad
Speaker 3: vibes from this boy. Yeah, like like an iPad kid
Speaker 3: kind of vibe.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think it was in Homer's honesty,
Speaker 1: I don't listen. I only listened to it once and
Speaker 1: it took me like a month. I slowly listened to
Speaker 1: but I didn't catch any iPad kids in there, So
Speaker 1: maybe that's in a it's on the translation I I partook,
Speaker 1: and but.
Speaker 3: But I feel like things could have transpired.
Speaker 1: No, I mean they're cannibal. This is this is like,
Speaker 1: oh this is a week, this is maybe months worth
Speaker 1: of meals right here.
Speaker 3: But they're more prime like wild and like Primeval kind
Speaker 3: of I think in the actual like Homer's like telling
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think they actually have the armor. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are mad about that's like again,
Speaker 1: it's just like they look people like had problem with
Speaker 1: the Greeks arm, like the people that like are like history.
Speaker 1: Peel was like, no, I love the Greeks. Armor looked
Speaker 1: fucking cool, like those masks that had like the like
Speaker 1: the te's and stuff like, no, everybody same thing as agamonomon,
Speaker 1: Like he he looked great. That doesn't look fantastic. He
Speaker 1: didn't look like that. Like I'm all down for them
Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, let's make these giants have silver armor,
Speaker 1: and they just look like.
Speaker 2: They're so clean.
Speaker 4: It was a weird look in a way that I
Speaker 4: really enjoyed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I found it also just like a good
Speaker 2: trick to hide the CGI on them, right, like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: a little bit better. I like the idea. And like
Speaker 2: you said, Travis, I loved the costume design across the board.
Speaker 2: I love Penelope's outfits. I loved all the armor.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: This is just like such a nostalgic type of attire
Speaker 2: for me, because I truly love that movie, Troy. Uh,
Speaker 2: when I rewatch it nowadays, it's definitely cheeseball filled moments
Speaker 2: for sure. But like I loved that movie as a
Speaker 2: kid like that, playing age mythology, Age of Empires, just
Speaker 2: like the Bronze Age like that. I was eating that
Speaker 2: stuff up when I was first getting into our rts's
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: I will say this movie didn't make me laugh a
Speaker 4: whole lot, not a lot of big laughs one that
Speaker 4: we can talk about later. But one one of my
Speaker 4: laughs was later in the movie, just when when the
Speaker 4: whole final sequence and Pattison's.
Speaker 1: Like shields, shields.
Speaker 2: I was laughing at that part.
Speaker 4: But also when they show up and they start talking
Speaker 4: to that kid with the Last Premonial whatever those guys
Speaker 4: are called, and then Hamish like the backup guys.
Speaker 1: Like we just want food, give us some food.
Speaker 4: Like the way he was just like immediately yelling at
Speaker 4: this child gave me a good and how weird the
Speaker 4: kid looked to that.
Speaker 2: That got a chuckle out of me.
Speaker 4: And maybe I don't know if it was intentionally going
Speaker 4: for a laugh there, but those are the two points
Speaker 4: in this movie that gave me a little laugh.
Speaker 3: I feel like they could have taken on more of
Speaker 3: those giants, to be honest, because after they're all retreating,
Speaker 3: they just like get out of here. Yeah, run away.
Speaker 3: Because when you see that quick cut scene of them
Speaker 3: on the last boat and Odysseus fires that headshot and
Speaker 3: just like one hit Ko's that guy freeing or saving
Speaker 3: hey mesh, I just felt like, okay, well that just
Speaker 3: kind of settles it. Like these guys there were there
Speaker 3: was a lot of them, and more than enough that
Speaker 3: they could have definitely taken out more of these guys.
Speaker 3: One arrow to the head and that one.
Speaker 1: But that's because one arrow that giant's not looking at
Speaker 1: Damon specifically, and he has the high ground. I think
Speaker 1: that sequence Odysseus.
Speaker 2: I don't think he is like a full plethora of
Speaker 2: Odysseus's right, And.
Speaker 1: That's why I was gonna say, wuldn't that to me?
Speaker 1: The point of no return was Honestly, we'll get to
Speaker 1: the end of the movie when he just like takes
Speaker 1: on one v. Fifteen pretty much wins right in this
Speaker 1: situation when he tries to one v one one the
Speaker 1: giants does not go his way. So that's why it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy who's supposed to be, you know, after maybe
Speaker 1: Achilles is dead, one of the best generals out there
Speaker 1: war guys, and he's taking on all of these giants
Speaker 1: one on one and it's not going well. I think
Speaker 1: they're right to get the fuck out because I like
Speaker 1: Kirk and Sid's like, okay, sure, and eventually run out
Speaker 1: of arrows. There's not like I think they would have
Speaker 1: firing arrows.
Speaker 3: It looked like though, So I mean I feel like
Speaker 3: if you have a few guys in those boats fire
Speaker 3: and arrows, you're gonna they're not gonna take out a
Speaker 3: few of them.
Speaker 2: How many people fire arrows like Odysseus. Yeah, And also
Speaker 2: just like I feel like you're underestimating Taylor, Like the
Speaker 2: mental damage that this moment happens, Like like you're you're starving,
Speaker 2: You're you've been on the waters for who knows how long,
Speaker 2: and you just see these fucking eleven foot plate cladded
Speaker 2: men that just come in. They're moving the trees, They're
Speaker 2: fucking up all your friends. Like I wouldn't even be
Speaker 2: able to draw a bow let alone, like like, just
Speaker 2: take on these fucking giants, I would be right. And
Speaker 2: like the wind bulls eye, and and also like the
Speaker 2: fear in their eyes when this is like, yeah, just
Speaker 2: just circle the island. We're gonna find a spot that
Speaker 2: we can let the Like, are you fucking kid? What
Speaker 2: if they have boats? What if they have boats that
Speaker 2: they come after us? Like like the fear in their hearts?
Speaker 2: I think that's totally warranted. That's after what happened.
Speaker 1: That's why with UH, Like before they go to the UH,
Speaker 1: Circe's little island there when they docked, they're like, we're
Speaker 1: going in the morning. We're not like they've been through
Speaker 1: so much in that twenty four hours and there it's
Speaker 1: because Hana's just done to the other guy. It's all saying.
Speaker 1: David sees him and he's kind of like, oh what
Speaker 1: what And then obviously they're talking about mutiny at that
Speaker 1: point right still, but he can get the vibe when
Speaker 1: he's like, no, we're going in the morning. He's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the morning. But Day wants to go now, he wants
Speaker 1: you to go, and he wants to but he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we we best just like anchor here and hope for
Speaker 1: the best. And obviously another shit situation where they just
Speaker 1: get turned into pigs, you know. So it's it's and
Speaker 1: then like it's literally cyclops, the giants, pigs, hades and
Speaker 1: then the well they get a break because they go
Speaker 1: on that eye.
Speaker 4: A lot going on in that water sequence afterwards.
Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, and they get they get eighten right.
Speaker 1: By the thing is if they take a certain path,
Speaker 1: there's only six that dies. I did like that sequence.
Speaker 1: I thought that sequence to me was going to be
Speaker 1: potentially the best one. And I feel like out of
Speaker 1: all the situations they did as maybe the rank the lowest,
Speaker 1: which one like the sea or herman has a certain name.
Speaker 1: But with all the heads that was pulling them out
Speaker 1: of the boat, and it was the thing where after
Speaker 1: the world. Yeah yeah, like right at that whirlpool when
Speaker 1: they that was the thing where if they take a turn,
Speaker 1: Odysseus new like only six would die versus all of them.
Speaker 1: I thought the sequence was gonna be like a bit
Speaker 1: more intense. It was still like great, but I thought
Speaker 1: it would be more similar to the Cyclops because I
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like that's what I've seen the
Speaker 1: most in the honesty for artists always like the boat
Speaker 1: and like the sea creature over the boat and everything.
Speaker 1: So I think they're trying their best to also like
Speaker 1: not go to cgi heavy. So I feel like that's
Speaker 1: why they they did that, because I think no one
Speaker 1: didn't want to like have that going on. And then
Speaker 1: right after that is when to get to that island
Speaker 1: for a little bit, and then they're waiting and then
Speaker 1: of course like hey we can go there. You just
Speaker 1: can't eat the meat. Now we're not gonna eat mean, okay,
Speaker 1: swear you do what I mean you're not gonna eat it? Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: And then you know, a couple of nights later, he
Speaker 1: wakes up. They're all hunkered down in a hole somewhere.
Speaker 1: They eat the meat. And then that to me another sequens,
Speaker 1: this boat sequence that felt like a horror movie them
Speaker 1: on there. There was just that one shot of I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. I'm not a boat guy,
Speaker 1: but it's like it's like the big wood thing is
Speaker 1: all the way up the sky and it's just like
Speaker 1: shoot the mask and it's the sail is gone and
Speaker 1: it's just a shot of the sky, lightning, rain and
Speaker 1: just the mass and that's what it is. It just
Speaker 1: like that for ten seconds, but horrifying with the sound
Speaker 1: mix and everything going on. And then they're cutting these
Speaker 1: guys fighting for their lies. Their legs are getting broken
Speaker 1: just by the pure power. And then that boat cracks
Speaker 1: that one And talk about a loud sequence, which in
Speaker 1: a good way, that was a loud sequence I could feel.
Speaker 1: So again another Secrets, I absolutely loved here.
Speaker 4: So yeah, extremely overwhelming.
Speaker 2: That sequence was.
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Speaker 2: It's uh, you know, we'll in the white lotus or
Speaker 2: the lotus flower whatever it's called.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, give me more. She's like, can you
Speaker 1: just loved it? You just kept eating it and eating it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, what's your next?
Speaker 4: Well, I want to just issue a quick shout out
Speaker 4: to Hamish Patel who plays your your youroculus.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, that sounds why I've just been saying that Realtel.
Speaker 1: That's why I was like, I cannot get.
Speaker 2: It's a tricky one. But no, I thought he did great.
Speaker 4: I mean I was I think he had more screen
Speaker 4: time than Tom Holland in this He's He's in it
Speaker 4: a lot, and you know, I think for the crew,
Speaker 4: like Travis you mentioned this earlier, that heus kind of
Speaker 4: has to put up like that stoic faced a lot
Speaker 4: of time, and he obviously does have a ton of
Speaker 4: emotional sequences as well, usually when he's kind of away
Speaker 4: from the crew, but we do get a lot of
Speaker 4: these tribulations and stuff, and I feel like in those moments.
Speaker 2: He is pretty stoked.
Speaker 4: He's trying to keep on a strong face, and I
Speaker 4: feel like that is kind of the one character of
Speaker 4: the crew. He's kind of representing the emotions of everyone.
Speaker 4: And obviously when like they have the mutiny moment, like
Speaker 4: he's kind of the mouthpiece for that.
Speaker 2: And I also think he's.
Speaker 4: The one who's emoting through a lot of the things
Speaker 4: and the reactions to Odysseus and kind of being pissed
Speaker 4: off or just uh, I don't know, exhausted, all sorts
Speaker 4: of different things. I feel like he did a really
Speaker 4: really great job in this, in this role that I
Speaker 4: maybe wasn't expecting, but I think you kind of need.
Speaker 4: That's a big crew and some of the people get
Speaker 4: like a couple of little moments here or there, but
Speaker 4: really he's the kind of only one of the crew
Speaker 4: that I'll probably remember like a month from now, you know.
Speaker 4: And I think he did a really great job. So
Speaker 4: someone who doesn't have like an arc of his own,
Speaker 4: he's kind of just a guy. But I I thought
Speaker 4: he did a really great job in this movie, so
Speaker 4: shouted him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he was good. It felt like, although he's
Speaker 2: like a bit of a thorn in the side of
Speaker 2: Odysseus at times, I feel like they executed in a
Speaker 2: way that like felt very natural though, right, Like Odysseus
Speaker 2: is doing some some pretty uh skeptical calls for someone
Speaker 2: like that, Like they are just wanting to get home.
Speaker 2: They're so hungry, they're so they're so just yeah, exhausted.
Speaker 2: They literally went through this terrif like terrifying siege of Troy,
Speaker 2: they just barely made it through, and now they're just
Speaker 2: one terrifying event after the other, and it's like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: we we we maybe need to do something about this
Speaker 2: leader that's just taken us on this this wild goose chase.
Speaker 2: And yeah, like I couldn't really blame him, honestly, when
Speaker 2: Disseus is like sail right into the mailstrom. We're gonna
Speaker 2: we're gonna be able to just just just grind that
Speaker 2: psychology though, right, yeah, no, I totally works. You're You're
Speaker 2: totally right, Taylor. He is the just master strategists of Odysseus.
Speaker 2: But still like from their perspective, this guy especially, they're
Speaker 2: totally massive belief in their Greek gods at the time,
Speaker 2: Like this guy is like, uh, disrespecting the gods right,
Speaker 2: all these things, and like, yeah, he's probably the reason
Speaker 2: why there is maelstroms popping up there. He probably is
Speaker 2: the reason why we're lost. He probably is the reason
Speaker 2: why we keep getting these terrible storms.
Speaker 3: Listening to the sirens singing is orgasming on the mask
Speaker 3: and that.
Speaker 2: I actually laughed out loud in that scene because he's
Speaker 2: just like so fucking giddy, like this is his biggest
Speaker 2: kink in the world, like like time me up, time
Speaker 2: me up, time up to the mask, like like are
Speaker 2: you gonna use the wax too? It's like no, no,
Speaker 2: nobody else has heard it before. I can't wait to
Speaker 2: be the only one. And then the first like later on,
Speaker 2: you know he's in pain, but when they first show
Speaker 2: it to him. I swear to god, it's like pleasure
Speaker 2: sex faces that he's making, like like he's just after
Speaker 2: for sure. I was just laughing so hard about again,
Speaker 2: like like I feel like that scene was happening fast too,
Speaker 2: Like it's like, Okay, they get to the sirens and
Speaker 2: it's like right away like time. Oh my god, I
Speaker 2: can't I can't wait to hear them. It was. It
Speaker 2: was a little bit goofy for me.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then the one guy, you know, he was curious
Speaker 2: and you pop the wax out and he jumped to
Speaker 2: his death. He was breaststroking right to the sirens. Wonder
Speaker 2: whatever wrapped on that guy. Maybe he had a happy
Speaker 2: end life.
Speaker 3: You don't die on screen, so I mean he's still
Speaker 3: a live technically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, came back for part two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he became the King of the Sirens. You know,
Speaker 1: he just like Tom Holans the King now and he
Speaker 1: just sees like the sirens carrying this guy. I'm back,
Speaker 1: you know. Naw, he's he's gone, he's he's he's dead
Speaker 1: as a disco. So yeah, any sequences or should we
Speaker 1: talk about specific actors, performances, et cetera.
Speaker 3: When the boys are all in that horse I mean
Speaker 3: just drowned in the bottom. They got the little like
Speaker 3: the straw like breathe out of the water. Like, what
Speaker 3: a fucking perspective that was.
Speaker 2: I never thought of that event being that fucked up
Speaker 2: and horrible until like this movie, like like just the
Speaker 2: thought of them, like you gotta just wait for Troy
Speaker 2: to come collect it right when the tide comes in.
Speaker 2: They're drowning, guarantee at the bottom. It's just filled with shitting,
Speaker 2: pissed too. They said that drowning. Yeah, like it's it's
Speaker 2: such a horrifying like kind of surprised that they even
Speaker 2: had strength to really take Troy from the inside. Matt
Speaker 2: dam did a good job and kind of you know,
Speaker 2: we first got on the horse, his knees like a
Speaker 2: little stiff, Like how can you not you're just standing
Speaker 2: there for days? But uh yeah, that was That was
Speaker 2: honestly so claustrophobic, and that's what.
Speaker 3: I grew up thinking it was. You know, the total
Speaker 3: fuckers on wheels. Easy. They got toilets in there. It's easy.
Speaker 1: I think most of the time it is because no
Speaker 1: one talked about he had this idea.
Speaker 2: They're getting there. Fucking Instagram feeds in there.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Brad Pitt Troy movie, Nolan was originally
Speaker 1: supposed to direct that movie, and he said he had
Speaker 1: this idea for the Trojan Horse back then because he
Speaker 1: wanted to do something different and he didn't get to
Speaker 1: do it because the guy at the time, Wolfkin Pearson,
Speaker 1: was making a Batman for a Superman movie. It fell through.
Speaker 1: It's like, ah, we'll give you Troy. He got Troy,
Speaker 1: and then they went to Nolan and said, hey, do
Speaker 1: you want to do anything with Batman? And then it's
Speaker 1: funny that he did Batman. Then years later he gets this,
Speaker 1: but this was he said he had this idea back
Speaker 1: in like the early aughts of them with because most
Speaker 1: time the horse is not ready and no and Budgetarry
Speaker 1: wise would not have been ready either. But like the
Speaker 1: horses usually, I believe always, just like on the sand upright,
Speaker 1: he had the idea of like what if it's submerged
Speaker 1: in the water, kind of like off kilter and everything.
Speaker 1: So yeah, great, great seque was all right, and again
Speaker 1: they are weaker, but there their whole thing is they
Speaker 1: just gotta be sneaky and open the gate, right, So
Speaker 1: it's not like they got to take it over because
Speaker 1: even when we were watching Troy, me and him, I'm like, right,
Speaker 1: how does this go again? It's well, right because they
Speaker 1: got to do this, and which is a good moment
Speaker 1: too with when they're talking about the bow, right and
Speaker 1: he strings it before he kills that pig or it's
Speaker 1: not pig, what is it the wordthog? Right, yeah, and
Speaker 1: they go, oh, well, well why do you do that?
Speaker 1: And he talks about hunting versus killing. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: hunting is still killing, it's just doing it quietly. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of great. Then when you get to see
Speaker 1: the full you know, battle Troy two hours later, that's
Speaker 1: what he's doing. He's doing the hunting yet is killing.
Speaker 1: And I love that. We got three bow sequences here.
Speaker 1: There was the first one was I believe now I'm
Speaker 1: already forgetting the second one. Oh yeah. The first one
Speaker 1: was a Troy here when they open up the gates
Speaker 1: and it was him just taking all these guys. Super
Speaker 1: intense scene. That's where again I can't I'm completely fine
Speaker 1: with Christopher Nolan's action. Is it John Wick stuff? No,
Speaker 1: But the intensity, how it shot, the quick cuts everything,
Speaker 1: I'm down with that. But you get the boat scene
Speaker 1: there you get the bow scene at the Giants again
Speaker 1: when he's trying to save people. He does save Famous Pattel,
Speaker 1: and then he hit the bow scene again with him
Speaker 1: taking on all the suitors. So it's almost like an
Speaker 1: each We got a segment where Matt Damon is facing
Speaker 1: down a bunch of people with a bow and uh,
Speaker 1: he survives it all somehow, you know. But yeah, great,
Speaker 1: great intense sequence. And it was like they sprinkled the
Speaker 1: Trojan Horse throughout that movie a lot, and it it works.
Speaker 1: So even when when you got to the ending and
Speaker 1: they showed the full thing, it's still hit and powerful
Speaker 1: and just that it's not a wonder but just the
Speaker 1: sequence of Damon just walk around seeing just all these
Speaker 1: innocents people slaughtered, realizing of like, oh, I'm not on
Speaker 1: the right side on this at all. Like, you know,
Speaker 1: he had good motivations to go. He was worried for
Speaker 1: his son's life. But still it's like at what costs maybe,
Speaker 1: and hey, Hathaway is right and they just should have
Speaker 1: fucking skipped down, you know, and got out of there.
Speaker 3: But when Burnhalt was describing that story to Tom Holland
Speaker 3: and just the perspective of being inside again. You got
Speaker 3: the ship and all the starving and all that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff, but just that the sequence when they were
Speaker 3: dragging it into Troy and then you've got this, like
Speaker 3: the sword come down. I'm thinking, like, these guys are
Speaker 3: standing like, kneel down, kneel the fuck down. They're standing
Speaker 3: way too high up against the ceiling, and sure enough,
Speaker 3: Buddy just gets it right into his spine. And then
Speaker 3: as soon as like that happens, they cover his mouth
Speaker 3: and the sword's a belt to go up, but Buddy
Speaker 3: puts his hands on it and like slides the blood off.
Speaker 3: That was amazing response time. He saved all the boys.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, could you imagine that they just you pull
Speaker 1: this bloody blade out of the horse, you know, it
Speaker 1: would have been over for you. He had that one
Speaker 1: guy trying to escape too, which like half you're just
Speaker 1: gonna go out there and get slaughtered. I guess maybe
Speaker 1: he's hoping that if he was like to be the
Speaker 1: one to tell them everyone's in there. But nah, man,
Speaker 1: they're just gonna tear you to pieces. Like you're you're
Speaker 1: committed the second year in the horse, you gotta be committed.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's funny too, because they like they hold him down
Speaker 2: and he's like I'm good, I'm good, I'm good, and
Speaker 2: then they.
Speaker 1: Like he tries again. He tries like one more time,
Speaker 1: like a little one, but he still tries like push forward,
Speaker 1: like no, buddy, like you're in here, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: couldn't do that way too clear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like the people that are in the
Speaker 2: Horse should be the most loyal to this plan, and
Speaker 2: this guy's yeah, ready to fucking jump ship.
Speaker 1: I guess it's just because you, like, I guess the
Speaker 1: difference from again the pitch of the plan to hearing
Speaker 1: the plan and you being dragon just knowing like, oh,
Speaker 1: if they find us, we are we're done for, Like
Speaker 1: there's nothing they can do. But no, they they take
Speaker 1: down Troy that way and get everybody in and uh,
Speaker 1: the rest is unfortunate history.
Speaker 3: So that was a cool scene when they get to
Speaker 3: the top and he drops that torch and you see
Speaker 3: the fucking army just against the wall quietly. It's like, fuck, yeah.
Speaker 2: I was really surprised, honestly, with how much Troy stuff
Speaker 2: was in here, Like it makes sense because this is
Speaker 2: obviously following the events of Troy, and if you don't
Speaker 2: know anything about that, like, I feel like they have
Speaker 2: to kind of touch upon that obviously by the end,
Speaker 2: it's a very integral piece to the story of just
Speaker 2: like this PTSD that he's feeling and just yeah, like
Speaker 2: all these like innocent people in Troy were murdered, like
Speaker 2: ripped out of their homes in the middle of the
Speaker 2: night because of Odysseus. So it totally makes sense that
Speaker 2: they would show all that stuff. But yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know just going into it. I obviously saw the Trojan
Speaker 2: horse imagery all for the marketing. I knew that'd be
Speaker 2: touched upon, But to actually see the siege of Troy,
Speaker 2: I thought that was a nice addition because I just
Speaker 2: wasn't expecting and I thought it was great. We already
Speaker 2: talked about the scene when they fucking opened the gates
Speaker 2: and you have Benny Safti looking like Darth Vader. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Max Aura until he spoke, I completely agree with Travis
Speaker 2: in the same boat. Uh. He looked so good though,
Speaker 2: like in that armor, like with his like curly black hair.
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, like holy.
Speaker 1: He could see his face. He just saw like this
Speaker 1: guy a.
Speaker 2: Main villain roll somewhere like I don't I don't care
Speaker 2: what happens. And then he spoke and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: never mind. He did get the main villain role in Super.
Speaker 1: Mario and and in Happy Gilmore too.
Speaker 2: Never saw it in Mario? Is he that junior? Okay?
Speaker 3: I just like hugs Big Year for him every time
Speaker 3: he sees He just gives them a nice, little gentle hug.
Speaker 1: Oh but it feels like he'd break his neck at
Speaker 1: any moment.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: It's not like a warm hug. It's like you hugging
Speaker 1: that relative. You're like, I don't really like you, but
Speaker 1: it's a family reunion. But I didn't want to get
Speaker 1: to your point though. Kirkland, The Trojan Horse is actually
Speaker 1: the last Shawlesce movie of it on Fire. It's like
Speaker 1: it's all the marketing, but that's the last Shaw This
Speaker 1: movie is the Horse on Fire. Yeah, so, and it's
Speaker 1: a big thing. It's pretty much like if, like you,
Speaker 1: if you made a Star Wars movie but you didn't
Speaker 1: make New Hope, you still would have to talk about
Speaker 1: like the Death Star blowing up, and that's like what
Speaker 1: this is where it's like, well, we gotta we gotta show.
Speaker 1: I just didn't I thought it was gonna be almost
Speaker 1: like not a one and done. But I didn't think
Speaker 1: it would be sprinkled throughout. I thought we'd show it
Speaker 1: and then they'd build upon that, not like it's so like,
Speaker 1: this is how fucking good him and his team are.
Speaker 1: We know what happened to Battle Troy the whole movie,
Speaker 1: they talk about his PTSD and how they wanted it
Speaker 1: to do. They use that as the big like other
Speaker 1: than his Battle the Suitors, A big third act reveals that, oh,
Speaker 1: they won the war and killed a lot of people.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, we know this, but when you're watching
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like that feels like you're watching it
Speaker 1: for the first time, Like, oh man, yeah, they did
Speaker 1: do a lot of bad stuff here, you know, even
Speaker 1: the Athena thing, like it's just a statue, but I
Speaker 1: love the imagery of it's you know, it's in day
Speaker 1: being holed up and it's like a literal one. So yeah,
Speaker 1: good stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like the shots of Troy earlier on, I
Speaker 2: feel like they aren't like negative on like you know,
Speaker 2: it's just like, yeah, we conquered, we did it, we
Speaker 2: won the battle, and like just when they talk about
Speaker 2: it that really much is that like Odysseus was the
Speaker 2: person that made all these men be able to go
Speaker 2: home to their family, Like it's a very positive take.
Speaker 2: And then by the end when he's actually boots on
Speaker 2: the ground and he's just, oh, man, I fucked up.
Speaker 2: I fucked up big time.
Speaker 1: And plus because they only like insinuated a few times
Speaker 1: in this but again, the Battle of Troy is like,
Speaker 1: actually a battle that's not need. It's a battle out
Speaker 1: of greed if someone wanting to control more stuff. It's
Speaker 1: not like they've deemed wars on each other. So not
Speaker 1: only are you killing all those innocent people, this war
Speaker 1: didn't actually really have to happen, So it's like a
Speaker 1: double negative for Odysseus. But then he gave them the
Speaker 1: the I don't know, the winning play with the horse.
Speaker 2: So beautiful craftsmanship.
Speaker 1: It's good, like a horse, almost too good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, put it.
Speaker 1: It's like smooth, it's like three D printed. It's like,
Speaker 1: you guys have some really great people working down there.
Speaker 1: But it's fine.
Speaker 4: I mean the ship's looking great too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the wood the carpenters are unbelievable in this society.
Speaker 2: Absolutely how long ago that was, Uh didn't talk about
Speaker 2: my boy all cast pretty much, but fuck boys. Tom Holland,
Speaker 2: for me, he is my standout in this I I particular,
Speaker 2: I think there's like three scenes that will really shout out.
Speaker 2: I thought all of his scenes were really good at first.
Speaker 2: He just comes across of like, you know, the youthful
Speaker 2: like Odysseus's son. He's just he just wants to know
Speaker 2: what happened to his dad. He he he comes from
Speaker 2: a place of privilege, but like very powerless in this dynamic.
Speaker 2: What a terrible situation too. You just have your mom
Speaker 2: over there, who's like not even really talking to you,
Speaker 2: and you just have these fucking gross suitors trying to
Speaker 2: just just just sww your mom over and get basically
Speaker 2: sitting in your dad's position. Like it's just such a
Speaker 2: I think I feel like painful position. But like I
Speaker 2: was surprised with like how intelligent like of a character
Speaker 2: he actually is, Like like the scenes when he's when
Speaker 2: he's talking, like strategy of like what he wants to
Speaker 2: do when he's talking, Like especially with John Bernhal, like
Speaker 2: the mental la of scenes. I really like all that
Speaker 2: back and forth at the end when he comes back
Speaker 2: and he's seeing Odysseus, he I guess doesn't really know
Speaker 2: that he is Odysseus at this point in time. I'm
Speaker 2: sure he has some suspicions, but still he's like talking
Speaker 2: about this plan to Penelope and like like I feel
Speaker 2: like I would have expected him to be very giddy
Speaker 2: of this, like, yeah, this guy knows Odysseus and like
Speaker 2: really break the news to her that like he has
Speaker 2: a lot but like he he's totally keeping it composed.
Speaker 2: And Hathaway is killing it in that scene too. She's
Speaker 2: showing a lot of emotion, and I feel like he's
Speaker 2: showing just a lot of like control, like like he's
Speaker 2: controlling his emotions in here. He's very uh, I don't
Speaker 2: know if confident in the plan, but like he he's
Speaker 2: going with the plan and this is what we have
Speaker 2: to like the belief there. And like when he shows
Speaker 2: up to like the Ithaca capital capital like the palace,
Speaker 2: and he and he does what Odyssey has told him
Speaker 2: to do. He's walking there like a princey of gifts,
Speaker 2: Like he's well dressed, like he just has this charisma
Speaker 2: when he enters the room, and it seems like a
Speaker 2: guy that really went through a specific uh change, I
Speaker 2: think from the time that he left because he is
Speaker 2: just kind of defeated. I think, like, like when he
Speaker 2: does leave Ithica, he's fleeing Ithaca right at that time, Uh,
Speaker 2: he knows that that the suitors are after him. They
Speaker 2: could kill him at any point. Penelope mentions that to him,
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. It was also just a
Speaker 2: different performance than what I've seen in the past. Like
Speaker 2: I said, I love him as my Peter Parker, I
Speaker 2: love him as Spider Man, but this was just Okay.
Speaker 2: I definitely want to see Tom Holland more in uh
Speaker 2: in in in more movies and projects, and keep with Nolan,
Speaker 2: like I obviously obviously it worked with this pairing here.
Speaker 2: I'm sure Nolan can make you know, even even the
Speaker 2: actor that played the Hunter really really shine on screen.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, I thought Tom All was a big
Speaker 2: stand for me because I think also I just had
Speaker 2: low expectations for whatever reasons. But yeah, hope you guys,
Speaker 2: I yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I was. Uh.
Speaker 4: I feel like it seems like all you guys are
Speaker 4: pretty hot on him. I feel like I'm more neutral
Speaker 4: him actually, not that I think he's bad or anym
Speaker 4: but I think I was just I went into this
Speaker 4: expecting him to be the star of this, I think,
Speaker 4: And so maybe I was surprised that well he like
Speaker 4: pales and screen time compared to Matt Damon and really
Speaker 4: doesn't feel like the star in a lot of ways.
Speaker 4: But I feel like for me, the I was standing
Speaker 4: performances were elsewhere. Like I'm curious, what was like the
Speaker 4: scene or two that stuck out the most for you
Speaker 4: in terms of like just his performance. But I feel
Speaker 4: like I was much more blown away by Anne Hathaway,
Speaker 4: who I don't think I've really seen anything recently, so
Speaker 4: maybe that's part of it too, but she just freaking
Speaker 4: brought it. Pattison. I fucking love Pattison in this movie.
Speaker 4: He is just so good at playing this skivy kind
Speaker 4: of character. And yeah, so many other like smaller performances
Speaker 4: that really kind of stood out to me, like even
Speaker 4: Hamish Mattel I think really surprised me and did a
Speaker 4: really great job here. But yeah, I don't know, I
Speaker 4: think Tom All for me, he was like he's obviously
Speaker 4: a great actor, he did a good job here, but
Speaker 4: wasn't really a standout, Like I don't even know if
Speaker 4: I would fight for this guy in gold Geeks controversially,
Speaker 4: So see I mean I'll probably do on the outs
Speaker 4: of that sounds like he'll get his votes, but I'm
Speaker 4: just saying like I don't know, but I yeah, like
Speaker 4: what was was there like one scene in particular that
Speaker 4: he think he really just freaking brought it.
Speaker 2: The Penelope scene for sure, when he's inspired to talking
Speaker 2: to menelais at the at the table and he's just
Speaker 2: like telling him it was a trailer scene. So I
Speaker 2: had seen it before, but still like seeing it on
Speaker 2: the big screen. Burnhal just doing his Burnhal things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess for me, and both those scenes, like
Speaker 4: the person he's opposite, I'm much more pulled in by,
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 2: And then the other one that this is when the
Speaker 2: water works coming out for me, this this poor fucking
Speaker 2: dog that just wants to see Odyssy has come back
Speaker 2: and he's just just sentenced to die on this pile
Speaker 2: of shit. And like I'm already sensitive when dogs are
Speaker 2: like you know, showing in movies.
Speaker 3: Like though, but he's just throwing off the fucking cliff.
Speaker 2: Hey that's the way, I guess, right, But yeah, like
Speaker 2: like when he comes back there and obviously I'm like
Speaker 2: almost getting choked up by this guy seeing his dog
Speaker 2: finally the dog reaction. It was just I'm getting choked
Speaker 2: I thinking about now, but specifically like Telemachus, like Tom
Speaker 2: Holland's character, like he is realizing right now that this
Speaker 2: guy is Odysseus actually, and like he's showing that emotion.
Speaker 2: He doesn't really say anything in that scene, but I
Speaker 2: think it was just like the way that he reacted.
Speaker 1: You're him and he says that or something.
Speaker 2: But I think I was just so like emotionally comprosed
Speaker 2: by that point and just knowing that this is literally
Speaker 2: like the end of Odyssy as well. I guess it's
Speaker 2: not the end, but this is like he made it
Speaker 2: back to Ithaca. He's finally about to go into the
Speaker 2: throne room. They're doing this big trial to win Penelope's favorite.
Speaker 2: Of course he's gonna be in there. Like it's just
Speaker 2: like many factors. I think that was boosting that scene overall.
Speaker 2: But Tom Holland definitely was a positive force for me
Speaker 2: in that scene.
Speaker 4: I mean, he for sure brings it for me. It's
Speaker 4: the little the last little whimper from that dog. Oh amazing,
Speaker 4: no acting dog acting wherever that sound effect came from
Speaker 4: that like fa like final breath just that, but that
Speaker 4: excitement that you can hear when it when a dog is.
Speaker 2: Just like just popping off. My god. Yeah that that
Speaker 2: sent me as well.
Speaker 4: Ahead the waterworks are going on for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's bruttal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I thought I thought tall, I think what
Speaker 1: I like. But Hollanies just did a good job at
Speaker 1: the He was stoic but had a not him being
Speaker 1: believable as his character, but he had an optimism about him.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like a in your face sort of like, oh,
Speaker 1: my dad's gonna be coming back. Like it was just
Speaker 1: like when he's tall on the boat, he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: sure I can feel my bones, I can feel in
Speaker 1: the sea like he's out there. I think he was
Speaker 1: just a really good anchor. I did like that scene too,
Speaker 1: when when Damon's pretend to be the beggar and he's
Speaker 1: by Robert Passon and he's kind of getting beat up.
Speaker 1: The anger you can seeing Tom Holme well enough, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like, oh, they're gonna, they're gonna And honestly, he
Speaker 1: didn't know what his dad can actually do, right, but
Speaker 1: so my dad's all grizzled and now he's like beating
Speaker 1: them up and everything. So yeah, Hathaway was great. I
Speaker 1: think we kind of knew because I feel like they
Speaker 1: showed most of our best scenes in the trips or
Speaker 1: like snippets of it. But she can always deliver when
Speaker 1: you put in this. Her speeches were great with Tom.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Passing Man. He just such a good
Speaker 1: slime ball, Like if you make a list of top
Speaker 1: ten slime ball performances, this is there that whole Like,
Speaker 1: first of all, just the origin of the character, right,
Speaker 1: That's the only time I really laughed in the movie.
Speaker 1: Was just like, oh, you know, some of us wanted
Speaker 1: to go fighting Troy, but we were told to stay back,
Speaker 1: and he dropped that out four times in this way.
Speaker 1: I just like, any chance he yets, he's gonna lie
Speaker 1: and say like he was chosen for the battle, he
Speaker 1: volunteered to go, but I just said, no, you're not going.
Speaker 1: But that's my I think my favorite scene of his
Speaker 1: was the scene where he meets specifically with Anne Hathaway
Speaker 1: alone in her quarters, and just the way he's like
Speaker 1: he's still slimy, but then the way he's trying to
Speaker 1: get appeased tour of like, oh, well, you've had this
Speaker 1: bird for so long and you know what does it
Speaker 1: feel to like could you love once and love with
Speaker 1: someone else? Like, Oh, of course you've done your duty.
Speaker 1: I actually admire you for how much you love a
Speaker 1: diseas Like he's saying everything right until the kid. That's
Speaker 1: why I love his face acting when she goes, oh,
Speaker 1: what about your son, like, oh, of course he'd you know,
Speaker 1: he'd take the throne unless we had a kid, and
Speaker 1: she looks away and Passing just is like this little
Speaker 1: like flinch in his face, like, oh, I fucked up,
Speaker 1: Like I said the wrong thing. It's like in a game.
Speaker 1: It's like if you're playing La Noir and you just
Speaker 1: said the wrong thing. That's what he did. Oh And
Speaker 1: then she's dejected. So he was. He was fun all.
Speaker 1: He's probably my number one in this movie. He was
Speaker 1: so like, like in a good way, anti charismatic if
Speaker 1: you just want to fucking punch. I kind of wish
Speaker 1: his death was worse. And that scene when Damon's like,
Speaker 1: oh I got something for you, and he's like the
Speaker 1: title I said, He's like laughing everything, like what would
Speaker 1: you have for me? And he just throws like whatever
Speaker 1: that thing is that he's giving them, just that scene
Speaker 1: where he's getting worked up and like, you know, like
Speaker 1: this is not funny, like you can't walk away from me,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So yeah, Pasan was Miami, but he's
Speaker 1: he is one of the best actors today and I
Speaker 1: just fucked man, that's our Batman.
Speaker 4: And yeah, even when when when they're doing the test
Speaker 4: and halland Hallanden hands him the bow and then he
Speaker 4: immediately is like, doesn't even try at all, but he's
Speaker 4: just trying to you know, slim his way through it
Speaker 4: and like convince like talk his way out of it, uh,
Speaker 4: in a sweet talking way. Like God, he's just so
Speaker 4: he's he is a really smart, cunning guy.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's a new time.
Speaker 4: I was like, what what is it like second layer,
Speaker 4: second gear that he's about to go in here? It
Speaker 4: feels like he's always like a step or two ahead
Speaker 4: in a way that Yeah, I was totally drawn to him.
Speaker 4: And I love his look in this movie too. I
Speaker 4: mean he always just is a cool looking guy with
Speaker 4: that fucking jawline is.
Speaker 2: Just crushing into this movie.
Speaker 4: The way the way Nolan got awards his jawline insane.
Speaker 2: What a wonderfully looking person on screen.
Speaker 1: I hope those Adaya Kajema physiant rumors are true, and
Speaker 1: he's the he's the snake and the game I'd love
Speaker 1: to be playing with the like what we can do
Speaker 1: with norm ritas and desk strying and we can do
Speaker 1: the pass and that'd be great. But to mention that
Speaker 1: bo I forgot when he goes like, okay, you've made
Speaker 1: your point. None of us could be a distance and
Speaker 1: then he starts to do his whole speech. But but
Speaker 1: that's the point because we got a step up like
Speaker 1: he but he does it in such a way where
Speaker 1: he is like he seems like it is like we
Speaker 1: know he's bullshiting, right, but he portrays like yeah, we
Speaker 1: get it, like none of us could be him, and
Speaker 1: he's like trying to like go for the heart strings
Speaker 1: and even halfways she's not like buying it, but she's
Speaker 1: like hearing him out, Like you can see how far
Speaker 1: this character's gone. Because at the end that you mentioned
Speaker 1: is the joke deal. But still, why is everyone listening
Speaker 1: to him. He's just like a suitor like the rest
Speaker 1: of him. He's not like a king or anything. But
Speaker 1: they're listening to me, like you do this, Like he's
Speaker 1: directing traffic, so you can see that he's used his
Speaker 1: cunning and his like sliminess to really get ahead in
Speaker 1: life and money too because he paid off that family, right.
Speaker 1: But still just like he's done this before where he's
Speaker 1: gone his way by just kind of appealing to someone's
Speaker 1: better nature even though he doesn't have it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's even like even like the scene when
Speaker 2: they're like beaten on the dog, like in the in
Speaker 2: the dining room area, right, and then he's like coming
Speaker 2: from like a more you know air quote, Uh, what's
Speaker 2: the word I'm looking for, Like a instead of killing
Speaker 2: the dog right there, he's like, oh, I'll just take
Speaker 2: him outside and he's oh, yeah, lay in the pile
Speaker 2: of shit and wait for Odysseus to come back. Like
Speaker 2: it's okay, he's doing like a nice thing. I get,
Speaker 2: like a merciful merciful I guess that's the word I
Speaker 2: was looking for. Like this guy was gonna murder the
Speaker 2: dog right there. I thought that was actually gonna happen,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, God, damn, why do we have to
Speaker 2: just murder this poor dog right in here in this scene?
Speaker 2: But yeah, like like he's still a piece of shit,
Speaker 2: but he didn't murder Odysseus's dog right there in front
Speaker 2: of the whole family. So I guess in some ways
Speaker 2: that's kind of a better, better way to go about it.
Speaker 2: I guess. Uh No, he's phenomenal in this. I really
Speaker 2: didn't know that he was like a villainous type role
Speaker 2: going into this, Like I just didn't really know much
Speaker 2: about his character. So I am happy that that was
Speaker 2: the case because it's it's fun to see this type
Speaker 2: of role, especially because I don't know, like Mickey seventeen,
Speaker 2: I guess he has aspects of being kind of a
Speaker 2: shitty guy like with the other Mickey that he's.
Speaker 1: This it's more very different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like a fun, sleazy villain role that
Speaker 2: he can like just his laughs, like when he's like,
Speaker 2: like you said, just laughing at the bagger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And honestly, like we don't know this, but we
Speaker 1: talked about this last week with the Dune trailer, like
Speaker 1: always playing a big villain, He's two big movies. I
Speaker 1: have a feeling that Dune Villain's gonna be nothing like
Speaker 1: this character right from the few things we've seen of
Speaker 1: I don't know his name is like Slithe or Slith
Speaker 1: or something like that, but like, yeah, slit, I'm slit.
Speaker 1: I want to rackus, but no, like, I just feel like.
Speaker 5: He he He's just such a versatile actor that sometimes
Speaker 5: that can be a trap, right of playing a villain
Speaker 5: not only in big franchis, but now twice in one year.
Speaker 1: But I feel like they're gonna be completely nothing alike and.
Speaker 4: Even like I haven't seen ten in a while, but
Speaker 4: just like the comparison of oh yeah, what he can
Speaker 4: what Nolan can make this guy do is pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel like he's gotta I feel like
Speaker 1: he's gonna happen. Someone's gonna like uh or not someone.
Speaker 1: I feel like, one of these times, he's gonna give
Speaker 1: him the lead in these movies. I think he has
Speaker 1: like earn it, Like Kel Murphy and Matt Damon, they
Speaker 1: had to be in a few Nolan movies before they
Speaker 1: got the lead. But I guarantee you one day there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a no Olan movie where passes the lead.
Speaker 1: And I can't wait for that day.
Speaker 2: You know, so quite quite a streak right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, let's take probably from Outbreak and then we'll
Speaker 1: be right back. We are back. What else anything else
Speaker 1: to shout out before we end this off and found
Speaker 1: thoughts and ratings.
Speaker 4: I guess just quick we mentioned them a little bit.
Speaker 4: But Zenda and Charlie's Throne, like you know, the just
Speaker 4: always so good like Zend like goddamn what her eyes
Speaker 4: like she just conduced magical things with her eyes and
Speaker 4: movies which I always like to bring up in these reviews.
Speaker 4: But you know, it doesn't have a huge part in
Speaker 4: this movie, but is still able to like pull so
Speaker 4: much emotion out of that. I think it really highlights too.
Speaker 4: It kind of like breaks down a wall and Odysseus
Speaker 4: that I think is quite engaging. And yeah, all the
Speaker 4: stuff with calypso like those sequences I feel like could
Speaker 4: drag or like those are like the low points of
Speaker 4: between like these huge, big action epic set pieces, but
Speaker 4: I instead thinking, like those sequences are really great and
Speaker 4: they just break up the pacing in a nice way.
Speaker 4: And yeah, kind of going along with him, Like I
Speaker 4: think the storytelling is so interesting in this movie of
Speaker 4: like Tom Hollands going on his journey to find out
Speaker 4: what's happening, and he's like talking to Bernhal and then
Speaker 4: Burnhal's like referencing this thing of like Matt Damon and Matt.
Speaker 4: Damon's like having a conversation with Calypso, who then's like
Speaker 4: is pulling a memory out of him, and then we
Speaker 4: like go into that sequence. Like it's just kind of
Speaker 4: if you really charted out in the way we get
Speaker 4: to different sequences, it's pretty wild stuff. And again, it's
Speaker 4: like Nolan is such a master of just taking a
Speaker 4: movie and filming it one way and then like chopping
Speaker 4: it and editing it in such a way that totally
Speaker 4: changes the context and the pacing of it. And there
Speaker 4: isn't a slow moment, and so I think the Calypso
Speaker 4: scenes in particular are just so expertly placed in this
Speaker 4: movie that yeah, just a big shout out to her,
Speaker 4: And like those sequences in general, and.
Speaker 2: Just like the visuals.
Speaker 4: I love just the look of that more desert island
Speaker 4: area I think is really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know, like you said, there's no more
Speaker 1: I can actus just Nolan doing great thing. But it's
Speaker 1: when it introduced, Okay, we're gonna begin flashbacks of the
Speaker 1: Battle Troy. We got Tom Holland and Hathaway in our
Speaker 1: present day, and then we got Odysseus somewhere with Charlie's
Speaker 1: there on. They established in that first act, Okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna be bounced around a lot, and it never feels
Speaker 1: like that. It feels like it's all the through line,
Speaker 1: and that the book is like that too. The book
Speaker 1: is always going in and out of the different time periods.
Speaker 1: But in this movie, you go, Okay, he's got a
Speaker 1: lot of juggle here, and then just nah, it's effortless.
Speaker 1: It's like he's on autopilot. Yeah, I've done this so
Speaker 1: many times before, so yeah, yeah, have and some more.
Speaker 1: That was me a goth as Penelope's assistant, and I
Speaker 1: kind of forgot that she had that role of the
Speaker 1: turner to like work with pass and that I did
Speaker 1: get what happened was like classic a goth. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: up at that point I'm like, hey, listen, I get it.
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to be in an old movie, right, But
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is almost like egregious. This is like
Speaker 1: you couldn't give her anything else going on here? Uh.
Speaker 1: And then it's like, okay, she's a little like not know,
Speaker 1: it's like an aptize, but just some scene like great
Speaker 1: payoff of like no, queen, you need to be up there.
Speaker 1: And then later on the battles. I'm like, your place
Speaker 1: is down here, and they closed the door, and I
Speaker 1: guess I should shout him out to you. I completely
Speaker 1: forgot is this sequence of passing tux Dan hathaway. He
Speaker 1: runs and me a Gothas against a wall, and then
Speaker 1: they kiss, they have they walk away, and then they
Speaker 1: walk forward, and then John leg was almost also behind
Speaker 1: a wall listening to It's like that that meme of
Speaker 1: just like multiple people of the gun pointed at each
Speaker 1: other's back. It's like three layers of someone listening behind it.
Speaker 1: And I guess I should shut that out too, if
Speaker 1: I had a fourth in the Mount Rushmore. John Wick
Speaker 1: was almost was amazing in this fucking movie. And again
Speaker 1: not like too much screen time, but just so good.
Speaker 1: And I guess for my last point too, I guess
Speaker 1: we didn't really talk about too much, but I think
Speaker 1: we just kind of danced around it. Whatever you feel
Speaker 1: the action, who knows. But I loved the final fight
Speaker 1: scene just so intense, and again I can find all
Speaker 1: believable because yeah, they're suitors. They might have like fought
Speaker 1: here and there, but they're not like Odysseus who's been
Speaker 1: through the ship and he's just like built like a
Speaker 1: brick shit house, and that whole sequence of him doing
Speaker 1: the bow and everyone laughing, and then he hits the
Speaker 1: board and n Hathaway just like cox her hear a
Speaker 1: little bit and he hits the board again. She fully turns.
Speaker 1: But then they go to attack and they close everything
Speaker 1: and they moved the weapons up and they're running out
Speaker 1: of Tom holland he's getting his ass kicked. The battle's over,
Speaker 1: and John le Go was like, did he win?
Speaker 2: Did he?
Speaker 1: I what happened?
Speaker 4: But that whole people slowly bending the knee, Yes, that
Speaker 4: is fucking so cool.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: That was amazing. Yeah, it it had the it had
Speaker 1: the juice there.
Speaker 3: So for me is when he just does that string
Speaker 3: strung noise with his bow and then everyone just kind
Speaker 3: of like shot themselves a bit. And then I don't
Speaker 3: know what the character's name was in here, but he
Speaker 3: was like Robert's best buddy or whatever. It was stirring
Speaker 3: the pot and when everyone like it was silent and
Speaker 3: everyone was like oh, and then the guy's like, oh,
Speaker 3: you're it doesn't even finish the sentence in the air
Speaker 3: goes right into his neck and that's when people cheered
Speaker 3: in my theater, people were so stoked the.
Speaker 4: Way Disseuse makes a bow and arrow feel like a
Speaker 4: fucking cannon in the yes, it just the power of
Speaker 4: that bow is unbelievable.
Speaker 3: And he's hit firing the fucking thing in the room
Speaker 3: and he's getting headshots like goddamn.
Speaker 1: Like I said, they established in the movie, he's like
Speaker 1: he's on a that's his kill streak right when he
Speaker 1: gets that bow. And that's why I love that line
Speaker 1: when tom One's like, oh, you have no weapons and
Speaker 1: she's like, oh no, your mother, like she gave me
Speaker 1: the weapon by just doing it. Say it's gonna be
Speaker 1: the bow challenge, right, So he's like, oh, I got
Speaker 1: these mother efforts.
Speaker 4: Like he likes that thing more than his son, you know,
Speaker 4: like when he was reunited with the bow, he was
Speaker 4: a happy man.
Speaker 1: And he's not like, yeah, think it was he's not
Speaker 1: spending that much time in the sun because he's an exile.
Speaker 1: What is he handled with something like a week or
Speaker 1: two and then he's gone so like he never.
Speaker 2: I mean sometimes the time, it's.
Speaker 4: Hard to tell how long a sequence was, Like how
Speaker 4: long were they on the sun God Island?
Speaker 2: Was that? Was that a couple of days or was
Speaker 2: it like months?
Speaker 1: Like I think I think weeks to months. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say weeks. But but but I just make when they
Speaker 1: say bye and he's gonna be exiled because he kill
Speaker 1: those people, I imagine that would act kind of fast, right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, Tom Hohlone really never knows his dad that
Speaker 1: much in this He's he's gone, so he knows about him.
Speaker 1: You know, he's I'm sure go back over there for lunch.
Speaker 3: He just when when he first appears to to helped
Speaker 3: out Tom Hall, like at the Temple of Athena where
Speaker 3: it was all stage to get his his murder underway.
Speaker 3: But like every time you see Matt Damon and he's
Speaker 3: got like the long beard, but he's got the hood
Speaker 3: at his full inside the hood is all just you
Speaker 3: can't see his face. That's shadow. Every time that was
Speaker 3: that was just a sequence. It's just he looks so
Speaker 3: ominous and badass, like when he's like stoken Robert a
Speaker 3: little bit when he puts like I have something for you,
Speaker 3: puts the little tooden tote him in his hand and
Speaker 3: starts freaking out and he's like, yeah, it's just he's
Speaker 3: just eggsham on so good.
Speaker 1: When I'm fifty or six, I'm gonna do that at
Speaker 1: that Halloween cautume. But yeah, there is that one shot
Speaker 1: of all the suitors when they're trying, and it's just a
Speaker 1: shot of Matt Dame and the backgrounds in there, and
Speaker 1: like he looks like death because you can't see his
Speaker 1: face all it's complete shadow. And uh, yeah that was great.
Speaker 1: And yeah, anything else I I guess to say when
Speaker 1: anything else to say, because like, I like, we could
Speaker 1: go around the horn, but I think, like I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's gotta be a perfect forty right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's what I mean. If I've ever seen
Speaker 1: like I feel like at this point of review, no
Speaker 1: listeners like I wonder what they're given this this movie.
Speaker 1: You know, I think I'm pretty confident Kirtlin's thinking he's
Speaker 1: looking at the star, he's looking at the literal.
Speaker 2: Some things that kind of buged me. But I think
Speaker 2: it would just be like pacing things. Like I said,
Speaker 2: there's a couple of scenes that just seem like we
Speaker 2: just really went through them fast. But like that's not
Speaker 2: really a gripe. It's yeah, a big book to cover, right,
Speaker 2: how we fit a Massive Adventure into three hours, like yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: they definitely succeeded in many in that sense.
Speaker 1: And even then, technically the movie is under three hours
Speaker 1: because of the way they for dylanan Peel. It's on Imax.
Speaker 1: I guess Imax like the way it's played, it can't
Speaker 1: play over three hours. So there is stuff that they cut.
Speaker 1: No one said like you have to cut anything. It's
Speaker 1: like absolutely doesn't work, but like we have to find
Speaker 1: a way to you know, it doesn't want to cut anything.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they had to make sure it was under
Speaker 1: three because you can't play no Imax movie longer than that.
Speaker 1: So there is other stuff.
Speaker 4: They haven't figured that out.
Speaker 1: I think it's for a while, like it don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, then I'm probably misquoting, but I think for
Speaker 1: a while that was kind of like the idea of
Speaker 1: like on film and if you ever see those things
Speaker 1: when no one puts out a movie and it's like
Speaker 1: this big reel that they got to change over and stuff,
Speaker 1: I mean that was kind of dying. But I think
Speaker 1: like seventy millimeter is like kind of coming back for
Speaker 1: prestige viewing and everything. But I think for a while,
Speaker 1: theaters like it's just gonna go digital and we gotta
Speaker 1: worry about that. We don't got to fix that. Like
Speaker 1: even then too, they had like for the longest time,
Speaker 1: they could not shoot a whole movie in Imax some
Speaker 1: of these cameras that use on Odyssey. Tom tom Holmes
Speaker 1: told the story where he thought Nolan didn't like his
Speaker 1: acting because they're only doing takes in three minutes. He's okay,
Speaker 1: and he stopped right there. But the camera can only
Speaker 1: roll for three minutes. They got to cut and then
Speaker 1: switch over and then go again. It's fucking crazy. So
Speaker 1: this is the.
Speaker 2: First movie expensive also.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's why this movie costs two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars. The actors aren't getting paid huge amounts. And
Speaker 1: this is the first movie shot completely in Imax. That's
Speaker 1: why no one want to do this so many times,
Speaker 1: like with The Dark Knight and that meant but when
Speaker 1: you shoot an Imax the camera it's super loud, so
Speaker 1: you can't back Then you couldn't shoot dialogue scenes because
Speaker 1: it was so load. Now they create a new Imax thing.
Speaker 1: So that's why I think for a while they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is the peak, and then I think there's more
Speaker 1: filmmaker on tours like him or cooler Denie or like
Speaker 1: we kind of want to like shoot this whole thing
Speaker 1: in imax and figure it out. So it's expensive, but
Speaker 1: once you become top shit, you can do it.
Speaker 2: So true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kirkle On, you're breaking the forty.
Speaker 2: No, it's not gonna be a forty.
Speaker 1: You know, the highs elevate the potential small lows and everything,
Speaker 1: but they're pretty damn shallow lows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very very minor lows if anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So well there you go. Everyone's going ten, right, Taylor,
Speaker 1: you're not injecting over there's got a little looking.
Speaker 3: Tailor Yeah, I'm in that horse with you guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: Not a time for GV Day, but for actually if
Speaker 1: something got to find a way to get a horse
Speaker 1: and put us off.
Speaker 2: We're doing twenty four hour stream but in the horse Boys.
Speaker 1: Some segment or something. No, it's not like some joke
Speaker 1: or some sket or even even if that's the shirt,
Speaker 1: I don't know somehow, like I don't know how we're
Speaker 1: gonna get there, but it'll be.
Speaker 2: At the bottle of the horse like Willem Dafoe looking up.
Speaker 1: Well, there you go, everybody. That is our view of
Speaker 1: Christopher Nolans The Odyssey. I'm sure this is not the last,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about I'm sure with the patrons we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about I'm sure we're gonna be all you
Speaker 1: cause again that's one thing too. Getting out of theater
Speaker 1: and my theater is so rare was packed with all ages,
Speaker 1: you know, people that were in their eighties to like
Speaker 1: get like probably ten year olds and stuff run around, right,
Speaker 1: it was so nice when that theater left. It just
Speaker 1: seemed like everybody was super hyped. And I've had people
Speaker 1: in our real life talk about even how many people
Speaker 1: at work it's like, oh, like you're seeing the honysty
Speaker 1: like it's it's having that kind of like transcending vibe.
Speaker 1: So again, we're gonna talk about it on an After
Speaker 1: nine in the future, we're gonna talk about for sure
Speaker 1: for Golden Geeks. So we're not done talking about the Odyssey.
Speaker 1: But for now, this is the review. Thank you very
Speaker 1: much for you listening live or after the fact. I
Speaker 1: promise when you hear from us next it will not
Speaker 1: be boring.