WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:08.080 Ello, Ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the I forgot 2 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:11.320 to put the title there, seven hundred and thirteenth episode 3 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:15.519 of The Keek for his podcast, You're such an asshole, Kirkland, 4 00:00:15.720 --> 00:00:19.280 And we'll explain when Taylor comes on. If he comes on, 5 00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:22.879 I am the Trickster Trash. Now I'm joined. 6 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:27.399 By I'm the pig Batser. My name is till Mus. 7 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:31.960 We are here for another Yeah, just to three. That's it. 8 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:35.920 We are here for another Christopher Nolan movie. I say 9 00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:37.479 it like they're often, but it's just like I think 10 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:40.920 I'm saying that because it's really often. Yeah, retro. So 11 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:42.880 we've talked about all of them, yes, and that's why 12 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:44.960 usually I say, hey, give us your elevator pitch this time, 13 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:47.119 because we haven't done since Alpenheimer. I put every single one, 14 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:49.840 except for the Batman movies, every single every single Christopher 15 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:53.479 Nolan movie that we exist, we have watched, we've reviewed. 16 00:00:53.479 --> 00:00:55.039 They're all the feeds right now. So if you like 17 00:00:55.079 --> 00:00:56.640 this review you've never heard from us, go oh, what 18 00:00:56.679 --> 00:00:58.439 do you think about Momento? What do you think about 19 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:00.880 Session Oppenheimer. We're all on there, so all the episodes 20 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:03.079 in the feeds go check those out Patreon. You get 21 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:04.920 every single episode we've done. We'll talk about a little 22 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:07.000 bit later. First, we're gonna start off with the Aussie. 23 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:10.439 As usual, we're gonna do non spoilers again. You know, 24 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:13.239 it's a very very old story. But in case somebody, 25 00:01:13.280 --> 00:01:14.920 which I know many people may have not read the book, 26 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:17.519 In case somebody has not read it, then we won't 27 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:20.159 spoil anything. We'll just give our non spoils overall thoughts. 28 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:22.319 And I'm gonna start with the man that just walked 29 00:01:22.319 --> 00:01:25.000 in the room here, Taylor Field. 30 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:30.480 Hello, I'm the dad Taylor Field, happy to be here. 31 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:32.400 We didn't think you're gonna make it. 32 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:37.799 I was confident I was gonna make it. You know, 33 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:38.799 never any doubt. 34 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:41.200 You're like Odysseus on your way to this cast. 35 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:46.719 I was taking twenty years mini of them eating eating stuff. 36 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:53.120 But holy smokes, yeah, what what an odyssey? My goodness, Yeah, 37 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:56.599 I I it's always different for me seeing these movies 38 00:01:56.599 --> 00:01:59.000 that are earlier, like the earlier, like two o'clock showing 39 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:00.799 as opposed to like the later. But like it was 40 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:03.920 a full crowd in my theater and there were multiple applauses. 41 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:05.680 There was one scene which again when we get into 42 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:08.240 the spoilers, like, I feel like things are just like 43 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:12.639 heating up, it's getting intense, and one moment happens and 44 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:16.000 like people were like whoh, like cheering and super fucking 45 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:18.159 stoked at this one sequence and it caught me off guard, 46 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:20.960 but I was I was very satisfied with with it, 47 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:25.439 just like the other people were too. But uh, this 48 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:27.159 movie was just it was a it was a damn 49 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:29.680 good time. I was engaged. I feel like there were 50 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:33.280 certain vocalizations that happened in here that just totally like 51 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:38.039 rock me to my core at times, and it was 52 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:43.159 just such a such a wild ride and like to 53 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:45.879 kind of pull myself out of this and just kind 54 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:49.800 of touch base on where people were really kind of 55 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:51.840 picking it apart and just feeling like, oh, you know, 56 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:54.360 like the I can't I don't want to say historical 57 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:57.319 accuracies because again, it's it's a tale. It's a legend, right, 58 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:00.840 and this is Christopher Nolan's retelling of this legend, this story, 59 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:04.960 so you have that exactly like the are really breaking 60 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:08.439 people are breaking it down and just kind of nippicking 61 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:10.479 it like, oh, you know this at this point in time, 62 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:12.560 this and this and da da da dah dah. And 63 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:14.560 I understand you want to nippick those things, fine, but 64 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:18.840 when you're watching this movie, like maybe it's just comes 65 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:21.039 down to the person, but all this stuff like it's 66 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:22.800 just going over my head, Like I don't care. I'm 67 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:24.960 not looking at the historical actresses this movie. I'm just 68 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:27.680 so engaged with like Matt Damon, then Hathaway, like like 69 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:31.439 again halfway, she's a fucking standout in this movie. Holy shit, 70 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:34.159 she's incredible. I really just think she's just she's a 71 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:36.719 great actress. And then Matt Damon was just fucking knocking 72 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:39.400 out of the park in here. And Tom Holland loved 73 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:42.759 Tom Holland in here, like he just absolutely like everyone 74 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:46.599 just brought their a game. It really was just so wonderful, 75 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:50.639 Like even me a goth, like just they're all they're 76 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:53.199 all just popping in here. And uh and yeah, you 77 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:56.199 got Robbie as well. I was just so sadis Robbie, 78 00:03:56.719 --> 00:03:58.000 Robbie my boy, Robbie. 79 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:06.039 Yeah, you know Robbie, she played one of the. 80 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:11.240 But uh yeah, I mean there's not much I can 81 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:15.159 really highlight the non spoilers without kind of diving in 82 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:18.160 because it's just there's so much going on in this story, 83 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:20.759 and that's just it's a damn good time. And because 84 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:23.319 when I was done and I was at my engagement 85 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:25.560 after the movie, and uh, my friends were like, oh, 86 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:28.120 what was uh? What was what do you thought? What 87 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:29.879 was the movie like? And I was like, you know what, 88 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:33.160 it's just like you really feel for Odysseus and the boys, man, 89 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:35.360 like this is the tribulations that they're going through. It's 90 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:38.600 some ship, and it really is just I know it's 91 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:40.079 one thing obviously if you're reading the book and you're 92 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:42.160 familiar with that story, but I was, I'm out of 93 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:46.279 touch with what happens in this legend, so visually seeing 94 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:49.720 the tribulations that unfold, it's like fuck, Like. 95 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:52.920 It's like I want to do the twenty for our stream. 96 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:54.160 You know, that's what if you want to know what 97 00:04:54.199 --> 00:05:00.079 it's like, I wouldn't run away. Yeah, that's I. 98 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:01.399 Had a lot of step in the eye. 99 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:04.199 Why we had three sixty frames per second. 100 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:08.519 Yeah, it's it's some ship. It'd be some ship. But 101 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:12.759 I would definitely highly recommend this for a theatrical watch. 102 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.839 And again, my buddy, he messaged me when I the 103 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:21.600 the movie was just about to start. He's like, well, 104 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:24.839 he messed. I checked my watch highlighted right when like 105 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:27.040 the movie was starting. It's like, you buy tickets for 106 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:29.199 the Odyssey yet, And I was like, I can't respond now, 107 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:30.800 but I messaged me after. I'm like, yeah, I bought. 108 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:32.920 I just got to the theater. And he's like, oh, 109 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:34.720 what people have been saying it was boring and you 110 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:36.360 know all that kind of stuff, Like, No, I didn't 111 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:39.279 find it boring. I felt like there's it felt very 112 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:41.839 like chapterized, where like, Okay, we're dealing with this and 113 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:45.240 this and this problem, and I think it worked for it. 114 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:46.800 But there was never a moment where I felt like 115 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:49.920 I was bored or we're in a bit of a lull. 116 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:53.879 It was very engaging, and I just I wanted to 117 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:56.680 see what happens next after one tribulation and the next 118 00:05:56.720 --> 00:05:58.319 thing and the next thing and the next thing, and 119 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:01.920 it just kind of culminates quite well. I was trying 120 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:04.800 to kind of read like a potential foreshadow with how 121 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:06.560 things started off at the beginning of the film, but 122 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:09.560 I was wrong because I thought like there was I 123 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:11.639 thought maybe there's gonna be like a Nolan kind of 124 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:15.399 time kind of thing going on and I thought I 125 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:17.279 was right when we got to a certain partner at 126 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:21.240 the end, but I was I was wrong. So in 127 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:26.279 that sense, it feels like a very uh I don't 128 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:28.279 want to say basic because that sounds negative. But in 129 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:30.160 terms of like Nolan always trying to do like it 130 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:32.839 kind of like plot twist or spin, it didn't have 131 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:35.879 like any kind of like whoa kind of factor like that, 132 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:37.560 like it would like a tenant where it has some 133 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:41.160 kind of like backwards kind of thing or or anything 134 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:43.040 like that. It feels more like an Oppenheimer kind of 135 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:45.079 story where it's just like, Okay, you got like just 136 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:48.160 this this general narrative in this direction through going and 137 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:50.800 you just get some crazy moments along the way. So 138 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:51.759 if that makes sense. 139 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:54.160 But yeah, it's definitely still his time, Like if it's 140 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:55.800 not doing that way, it's still like messing with time. 141 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:58.360 You're like in three different timelines at the same time. 142 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:02.079 In this Vivie you know, so he love You're never 143 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:04.639 other than Batman. You're never gonna Knowlan making a movie 144 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:06.399 from point to point B. It's never gonna happen. You 145 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:09.319 can't pin that man down. But dyl Muss, were you 146 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:11.800 pinned down? For you? Got to see an imax completely 147 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:12.639 jealous over here. 148 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:15.839 So oh you dog, yeah, you dog big time. 149 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:18.079 Hey, you guys are welcome to come join me anytime 150 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:18.519 you want. 151 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:19.000 To come to the island. 152 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:20.160 I thought about it, pict. 153 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:23.240 Trip on down Yeah, I uh yeah, I guess for 154 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:26.160 the Nole the like background of this, I mean, big 155 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:28.360 Nolan guy. Of course, don't love all of his movies, 156 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:31.519 but you know, enjoy them, appreciate them for what they are. Honestly, 157 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:33.360 I don't know really anything about this. Is this a 158 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:35.720 completely fresh story for me, and I really tried to 159 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:38.240 avoid ingesting too much of it, like before this kind 160 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:39.920 of wanted to go into this movie and experience it 161 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:42.079 from this perspective. 162 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:42.759 Uh. 163 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:45.120 And even I feel like I didn't see many trailers either. 164 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:47.240 So you know, I was talking to someone today. I 165 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:48.920 was telling someone I was gonna go see this, and 166 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:51.199 they're like, oh, Hathaways in that, and I'm like, I 167 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:52.959 don't even, I don't know is she? And then I'm 168 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:55.519 not exactly sure. And that was like the first like 169 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:57.519 fifteen twenty minutes of this movie is like every scene 170 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:00.079 is just some world class actor that popped in and 171 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:02.399 sometimes they like say one line and then they're just gone, 172 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:04.759 and it's like, oh yeah, I just I had very little, 173 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:07.399 I guess, expectations for what to really expect, you other 174 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:10.560 than it's Nolan doing something different than he's done before, 175 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:11.639 and of course it saw has a lot of the 176 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:17.040 Nolan isms. But my god, boys, what inexperienced this movie is. 177 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:18.839 I absolutely loved it. 178 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:21.480 You know, the first ten to fifteen minutes, I was like, 179 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:22.800 I don't know what the f is going on. I 180 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:24.560 don't want these character meames, I don't know what the 181 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:26.720 story is. I don't even know what we're doing here. 182 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:28.839 But then, you know, after I kind of get my 183 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:30.639 bearings a little bit and it kind of picks up 184 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:34.320 and starts with the more linear ish story. I really 185 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:36.559 was just kind of rap I was rapper it the 186 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:41.039 whole time. No no, no dull moments whatsoever. And honestly, like, 187 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:43.639 it's been a while since I've seen a movie this 188 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:47.039 good and this powerful and this epic. And it even 189 00:08:47.080 --> 00:08:51.320 carried to you know, movie concludes, I'm driving home. It's 190 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:53.639 like raining outside. It's very atmosphere. It's kind of like 191 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:55.600 light out still in like a weird way. It kind 192 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:57.840 of has a weird energy out there. I get in 193 00:08:57.840 --> 00:08:59.840 my car, I put on one of my favorite songs, 194 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:02.279 Stealing Nana His Home at Last, which I've always known 195 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:04.000 is based on the Odyssey, but I don't know anything 196 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:05.879 about the Odyssey. So I'm like, let me put on 197 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:07.759 my one of my favorite songs of all time that 198 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:09.240 I never have had the context for. 199 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:10.639 I'm driving home. 200 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:14.559 Lightning starts blaring on the right side of me, lightning 201 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:17.000 on the left side of me, like behind me, there's 202 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:19.080 all sorts of storms going on. At one point on 203 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:21.879 my drive home, I go over and overpass and there 204 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:23.519 was lightning I feel like, just right above my head 205 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:26.360 and that kind of completely illuminated the overpass and like 206 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:29.480 the most epic way possible. I was like, goddamn, what 207 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:32.080 is happening. This is like a religious experience or something 208 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:35.039 like that. Zeus and then I parked and then I 209 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:36.759 saw in their discord shut that you guys needed like 210 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:38.440 ten fifteen minutes before we started. So I'm like, oh, 211 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:40.200 I'm just gonna go for a little walk and still 212 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:43.000 just lightning blasting in all directions. It's like it's still 213 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:43.919 like going off out there. 214 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:45.639 If I lose power at some point, it's probably. 215 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:48.480 Because the lightning destroys the like it's going crazy out there, 216 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.279 but it was extremely epic and fitting for like what. 217 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:51.799 This movie is. 218 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:54.720 I'm like, zeus up there just popping off. So yeah, 219 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:56.879 I absolutely love this movie, love this story. I mean, 220 00:09:56.919 --> 00:09:59.600 there's certain sequences in here. I mean, I guess I 221 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:02.039 could spoil things because people know the story, but I'm 222 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:04.000 not going to all wait until the spoiler section here, 223 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:06.559 but certain sequences where it's like twenty thirty minutes of 224 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:09.440 just like us, a kind of isolated sequence, and I'm 225 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:11.279 just totally glued into all this stuff. And I think 226 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:13.240 you guys brought up some good points of you know, 227 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:15.919 no one's always doing stuff with time. Sometimes it's really 228 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:18.000 direct with like Tenet or incemption in terms of like 229 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:21.039 actual time dilation or reversing order and stuff like that. 230 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:24.559 And then sometimes it's just the way he edits, the 231 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:27.720 way he like story tells, And I think this movie 232 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:29.240 is such a great moment of that. There's like certain 233 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:31.639 there's a certain moment that's kind of hinted at a 234 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:33.440 few times, or you get a glimpse of it, but 235 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:35.399 then the meaning of it kind of only comes together 236 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:37.399 in the end. And I think it just does such 237 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:39.360 a masterful job of that that just give you like 238 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:41.320 a twenty minute what feels like a short story or 239 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:43.799 a short film, kind of isolated from everything else, and 240 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:46.120 then a little sequence in between that ties things together, 241 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:48.759 builds up that meaning go into another one of those 242 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:51.080 weird little sequences. Does that a bunch of times this 243 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:52.919 movie feels like it's seven hours long in the best 244 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:55.039 way possible, and then it kind of all culminates in 245 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:58.039 the end in just such an epic fashion. So yeah, 246 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:01.159 I absolutely love this movie. I mean, the soundtrack is 247 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:05.759 unbelievably great, so so outstanding, and yeah, I don't know, 248 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:08.720 I have to think where the Nolan ranking of it 249 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:10.519 all is because it's still so fresh in my mind, 250 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:13.919 of course, but I yeah, absolutely adore this movie. 251 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:16.639 Fan. Yeah, which time, we should probably only a newscast 252 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:19.559 do like a reranking, because I'm pretty sure when we 253 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:23.799 did our ranking, the original retro was leading up to Dunkirk, 254 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:26.879 and I think we foolishly, which I'll put on myself, 255 00:11:26.879 --> 00:11:29.279 we did the ranking episode always before the new movie, 256 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:31.399 so I think we have dun Kirk, Oppenheimer and this 257 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:33.919 to rank, and now it's like a whole big topic, 258 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:36.080 like just like a side main topic on newscasts. I 259 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:38.120 think we could revisit it, and I know it's in 260 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:40.000 the feed somewhere, so I'd like to listen and see 261 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:42.480 what's maybe changed or not change it all since then. 262 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:46.000 So maybe we'll revisit in the July August time frame 263 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:48.600 or even Helmet may maybe even do that on GV Day. 264 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:50.240 That might be a good like if we're downtime just 265 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:52.159 sitting around looking at our list, see what's going on? 266 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:55.639 So who knows? Kirk Compatzer, do you know how you 267 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:57.759 feel about this movie? Christopher Nolan? 268 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:02.399 Uh, somewhat. I somewhat know how I feel about their 269 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:07.679 Appenheimer's situations. Uh, maybe we'll see. Yeah. No, I was 270 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:13.519 really excited for this flick. I didn't like know the well, 271 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:15.480 I guess I did know the story. Uh, one of 272 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:17.679 my favorite games of all time, age mythology. It it 273 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:23.240 touches upon some aspects of this journey just because you 274 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.360 deal with like Odysseus and like just some things in there. 275 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:28.440 Maybe I'll hold my tongue in case people really don't 276 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:30.039 want to know what goes on in this adventure. But 277 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:33.000 I knew the main hitting points and then a little 278 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:34.720 while ago. I just went on YouTube and it was 279 00:12:34.799 --> 00:12:36.360 just like the story of the Odyssey, so like I 280 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:41.200 got like the main like pillars of everything of what happened, 281 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:46.679 and that really didn't affect my enjoyment whatsoever of this 282 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:50.080 because I still was like fully gripped and engage in 283 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:54.679 this adventure, although I like, I feel like I didn't 284 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:57.679 really remember like what was going to be happening next, 285 00:12:57.679 --> 00:12:59.799 but I just I like, once we're in those situations, 286 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:02.600 like to do how it unfolded. But yeah, it's just 287 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:07.120 such an epically made tale and so well made across 288 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:11.360 the board, Like casting is just insane. I feel like 289 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:14.720 Tom Holland was like, like I do love Tom Holland 290 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:16.440 as my spider Man, but he was just like so 291 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:20.080 not like at like an interest level for me for 292 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:23.799 this specific movie. It's like, Okay, he's Odysseus's son, it's 293 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:25.639 gonna be Tom Holland. I'm sure I'll like him enough, 294 00:13:25.639 --> 00:13:27.759 But he was actually my standout for this film. I 295 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:29.759 feel like I was blown away by Tom Holland in 296 00:13:29.799 --> 00:13:32.559 this movie. It's just a very different type of role 297 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:36.080 than him doing Peter Parker, and like he was he 298 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:38.159 was doing so well, like I'll save it till we 299 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:40.639 get into the spoiler section, but he was amazing for 300 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:45.120 me in this movie, and Telemacus is like it's a 301 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:47.000 lot more of a main character role than I kind 302 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:49.519 of was expecting it to be. I think going into 303 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:52.919 this movie, the Great Hidalgo just powered through the novel, 304 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:55.960 so he was telling me a little bit like his 305 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:57.840 role in it that I was kind of surprised of 306 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:00.320 just how much tel Macus is kind of in this story. 307 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:03.320 But I think it, uh yeah, I think it's just 308 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:06.919 an amazing telling of this tale. The score is like 309 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:08.919 so on another level. I feel like the start of 310 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:11.919 the movie, I'm like, I'm not getting anything much out 311 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:14.879 of this score. But then there's like prolonged scenes where 312 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:16.960 I just felt like I was in the woofer, like 313 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:19.120 I was just getting blown back in like the best 314 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:22.519 of ways. A terrible example of like way too loud 315 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:26.440 of sound is Venom Too Let there be Carnage. That 316 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:29.240 was like the loudest fucking screaming movie I've ever dealt 317 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:31.639 with that. It just pissed me off. This was like 318 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:35.000 it was so loud, but it was like totally necessary 319 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:37.080 for I feel like for the scenes that were happening, 320 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:40.519 and I felt like Oppenheimer kind of had that a 321 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:43.039 little bit, especially like after the Trinity Test thing, like 322 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:45.039 when there's that trippy scene of him just like seeing 323 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:46.720 people in the gym that are like melting and it's 324 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:50.679 just so loud and like visually just it's just like unsettling. 325 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:52.480 I feel like there was a couple scenes like that 326 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:57.200 in here, and it was just so well, yeah, just 327 00:14:57.240 --> 00:15:01.360 so executed, Like it just totally amplified the intense scenes 328 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:04.440 that were happening on screen. And I was sweating in 329 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:07.879 this movie. I was fully like tearing up in this movie, 330 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:10.919 like like it totally gripped me emotionally. I was so 331 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:14.519 mad at certain characters, like villainous characters that you should 332 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:17.559 be mad at, Like there's just so much going on 333 00:15:17.639 --> 00:15:21.440 in this adventure, and like it just totally carries the 334 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:24.480 title of E for epic, like this is an epic 335 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:30.559 tale and they like, uh, Nola totally totally executed, just perfectly, 336 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:31.799 And in my opinion that I thought it was a 337 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:35.559 flawless movie. Maybe it's too extreme, but as of right now, 338 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:38.039 I feel like it's a flawless movie. So like maybe 339 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:39.679 on rewatch there'll be some things I have a little 340 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.399 more grapes on, but yeah, really really really really fun. 341 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:51.000 And yeah, John Bernenthal also, I just loved him as Metalais. 342 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:54.360 I like he is. He is that caliber of an 343 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:56.840 actor that it's just like I love him. But I 344 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:00.399 just can't not see like the John Burnhal character as 345 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:02.879 John Burnhal, like I'm waiting for that line to drop, 346 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:05.639 the whole scene that he's like having this like emotional 347 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:07.879 talk with another character, and I'm like, he's gonna say it, 348 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:09.919 He's gonna say he's got something to say, and like 349 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:12.159 just his mannerism, the way he's eating food and stuff, 350 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:14.399 I'm like, this is just fucking this is this is 351 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:18.679 John Burneth all right here. So I I like him 352 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:21.240 a lot, and he was he was great addition in here. 353 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:23.960 I don't really want to talk too much about any 354 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:25.360 of the characters. I feel like there's a little bit 355 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:28.240 spoilers in there. But yeah, what a thrill ride of 356 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:30.600 three hours. It didn't feel like it. I feel like 357 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:35.000 we zoomed right by. Yeah, go see this movie. If 358 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:37.039 you have Imax, go see this movie. I can only 359 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:40.200 imagine how intense some of those like loud sequences are 360 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:43.320 in IMAX because in our theater. It was I was 361 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:46.399 feeling it. I was feeling the epicness of just the 362 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:49.399 visuals and the sound and everything and just picturing like 363 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:51.120 some of the sets that they had to make to 364 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:53.639 make this movie, Like it just feels so authentic, whether 365 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:56.799 they're like way out and see it's like just terrifying 366 00:16:56.919 --> 00:16:59.440 nighttime like storms out on the sea, and it's just 367 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:02.279 like I'm getting sweaty right now, which is just picturing 368 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:05.319 that type of environment. And uh, yeah, I love all 369 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:07.839 the cost you. Yeah, I feel I can go on 370 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:09.799 and on about the stuff that I loved about this movie, 371 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:12.200 but i'll uh, I'll pass along because we're gonna eventually 372 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:14.680 want to get into some spoilers. I feel, as the. 373 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:17.519 Question because because you were just you'r highlighting that that stuff, 374 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:19.839 you know, just getting sweaty watching those scenes. I think 375 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:23.160 that's the best part is getting that representation of humanity. 376 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:25.319 And again I know it's a legend, but you know, 377 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:28.559 the suits of armor and the ships and just the warfare, 378 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:31.880 just getting that visually and just come and face to 379 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:36.160 face with humanity all that long many years ago, just 380 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:36.920 like fuck. 381 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:37.960 How like. 382 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:43.240 How do humanity just endure and go through that ship 383 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:46.119 and now here we are like so many years later, 384 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:50.400 Like I like the humans of today could not even 385 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:52.640 stand to the humans of back then, Like there's totally 386 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:55.000 different calibers like whole but. 387 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:58.880 Like j yeah, he's not mapping, he's not mapping in 388 00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:02.519 I'll tell you something happened now, Yeah, like adding on 389 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:04.759 to what you mentioned there, like how different life was 390 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:07.599 back then. But there's still like so many like crazy 391 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:10.279 moral conundrums in this movie that I'm like, humans haven't 392 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:13.240 changed at all. We're still just so equally as right 393 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:16.400 and like just horrible, Like you see the dark side 394 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:19.319 of human nature in here. It's just like unfortunately, this 395 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:22.519 is just such a timeless problem. Uh you know, just 396 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:25.720 just greed and yeah, just symbolism in here. And I 397 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:28.480 think that's probably why this tale has just stood the 398 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:31.200 test of time. Like there's just so much unravel here 399 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:34.319 as opposed to just an epic ride back home. 400 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:37.000 That's right. And one thing too that's kind of funny 401 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:40.240 is like the overarching kind of like looming fear of 402 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:42.240 like you know, a guy will do something and then 403 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:43.599 you know you could just be like, oh you know 404 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:45.720 you might upset zeus. You know that guy could be 405 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:47.640 Zeus and it's like you hear the thunder rumbling, and 406 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:50.720 the people like, oh fuck. You know. But nowadays, you know, 407 00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:52.799 like Dylan, here's that thunder and he's like, I just 408 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:53.759 gotta get home and do this. 409 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:56.799 Review because the gods have left us. You know, we 410 00:18:56.839 --> 00:18:58.799 don't see these acts of the gods anymore. 411 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:01.920 There's no all the time. When we're talking about a 412 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:04.319 knock on your door, Sandia's right across the room just 413 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:04.920 staring at me. 414 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:10.880 That just means he needs therapy, just like like really 415 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:14.079 that's what, like not big sports, but like you know, Odisse, 416 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:17.839 he's just needed some good therapy. He suffered from massive PTSD, depressing, 417 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:21.839 war sickness, survivor's guilt, but he doesn't have that. It's 418 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:24.160 all he has is a boat and a dream and 419 00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:26.599 a little stick and you know whatever his wife gave 420 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:30.079 a little golden lady. But yeah, I am. There was 421 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:32.880 a point where with Christopher Nolan was always like, well, 422 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:34.839 I can't say like he's the greatest director of all 423 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:37.400 time right because he still knew he's only done like 424 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:39.799 the Dark Knight trilogy and Prestige Inception. There's a couple, 425 00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:41.720 you know, other ones, but it's like, ah, you know, 426 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:44.000 and then Oppenheimer, I think I dropped, but now I'm 427 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:46.640 like especially right, like I don't care. He's been around 428 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:49.000 long enough, and the amount of films this guy has 429 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:52.079 done that have like defined you can say, like a 430 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:56.039 decade but a generation of allwa going back from to 431 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:59.839 Memento in the indie circuit to revolutionizing the com book 432 00:19:59.839 --> 00:20:02.240 for as with The Dark Knight and then Inception blowing 433 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:04.000 things away like all those guy's not one hit wonder 434 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:05.799 even though he had other movies, wasn't like, oh, the 435 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:07.559 Dark Knight's gonna be his peak and that's it, right, 436 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:11.200 then Exception happens and then Interstellar and then Appenheimer and 437 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:13.640 there's other ones in there, right, Like I like all 438 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:16.440 Christopher Nolan's movies. I got nothing that's a blow an eight. 439 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:20.200 So for me, he's my favorite filmmaker, grace filmmaker, and 440 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:22.960 I'm not gonna bury lead. Yeah, this was everything I 441 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:25.200 was hoping for and more like I still was gonna 442 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:26.920 be happy if it was also just an eight at 443 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:28.960 ten and be okay. This is another because like there's 444 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:31.480 dun Kirkintenet that you know aren't my favorite ones, but 445 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:35.200 I still really enjoyed this. Yeah, man, this was everything 446 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:37.720 I was hoping for. I got to because I've been 447 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:39.079 going to the gym so much. I got to wear 448 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:41.240 my shirt that I wore in two thousand and eight 449 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:43.799 for the Dark Night. I got to rock that. So 450 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:45.839 I gotta go full circle there, and. 451 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:46.920 Uh, are you waiting right now? 452 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:49.759 It's just fucking hot as shit outside right now. I'd 453 00:20:49.759 --> 00:20:52.480 be like i'd be like in the Trojan Detroy battle. 454 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:55.240 I'll be like sweating and everything. But no, and just 455 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:57.240 again like in two thousand and eight when I was 456 00:20:57.240 --> 00:20:59.440 sitting there, and that's like I loved movies, of course, 457 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:02.119 but really made me love movies the whole, like, oh, 458 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:04.400 they don't make movies like they used to. You can't 459 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:06.799 say that with Christopher nole Man, Like you can't say that. 460 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:09.119 And he's doing even better. It's so many times when 461 00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:11.559 we talk about and that I watched in preparation, I 462 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:14.400 did read at Slash listen to the Odyssey, and then 463 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:16.519 also I got some more that I want to watch. 464 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:19.319 But I watched Troy this week and yeah, not a 465 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:24.720 great movie. No, it's not a great movie. It's one 466 00:21:24.759 --> 00:21:27.119 of the rare movies where brad Pitt's really bad. But 467 00:21:27.319 --> 00:21:29.119 it was one of those things where it scored a 468 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:30.720 little higher for me because like, oh, look at these 469 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:33.039 sets and it's practical, and I was watching, like, man, 470 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:35.160 I do miss so much of this stuff. I get it, 471 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:37.720 we got the volume all cgi, and sure there's also 472 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:40.839 effects in this movie, but it feels like a living, 473 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:43.200 breathing movie. I never feel like I'm taking out. It's 474 00:21:43.240 --> 00:21:45.759 all working. Even the score, which is that sometimes feels 475 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:48.880 like a little like modern all works. Again, none of 476 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:51.000 that stuff, any of the stuff with the casting or 477 00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:53.480 historical stuff, doesn't bug me. And all those people just 478 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:56.480 are fucking like, can't enjoy life. It's a fucking like 479 00:21:56.519 --> 00:21:59.519 a novel that could be potentially fake. Just do something 480 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:01.839 else with here, And same thing with the anacuracies. As 481 00:22:01.839 --> 00:22:04.200 far as me, the music or people saying dad or mom, 482 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:05.960 I don't care about any of that. Like I said, 483 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:08.640 I was here for Christopher Nolans Odyssey and I got it. 484 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:11.039 I won't hit it. But it was like with not 485 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:14.119 even in the movie, just every twenty minutes, it's the 486 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:17.480 fucking chills. There's something that happens, whether it's a performance, 487 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:19.599 whether it is the score, in the Ludwig Man like 488 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:22.960 he is. This guy's been killing it since Black Panther 489 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:24.880 and on like he did like something happened like him 490 00:22:24.880 --> 00:22:27.880 and Ryan Coogler. They must have done some high octane drugs. 491 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:29.559 And ever since then, these guys have been rolling because 492 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:31.559 they just remember Black Panther like all. This guy's really good, 493 00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:33.240 like can't wait to see his queer and look at 494 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:35.359 where he is now. He's already won like three or 495 00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:37.720 two Oscars. He's probably getna win one for this and 496 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:40.720 he is a character in this movie just like everybody 497 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:43.640 else's right, but he's just the music performances all around. 498 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:45.480 I have multiple standouts. I don't think I have like 499 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:48.160 the one. I think my triffect would probably be an 500 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:51.440 Robert and Tom. But I'm not surprised by Tom because 501 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:53.400 I feel like I say this all the time, I 502 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:55.319 might be like one of the only hundred people that 503 00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:57.720 I've watched The Devil all the Time, which was a 504 00:22:57.759 --> 00:22:59.640 movie that he did with Robt Passon, and that was 505 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:01.440 the first I saw Tom Holme, and oh he can 506 00:23:01.480 --> 00:23:04.160 actually act. He's not just Spider Boy and he gets 507 00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:06.119 to do that here. And Damon's great too, But Damon 508 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:09.079 a lot of time has just be very stoic as Odysseus. Right, 509 00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:11.359 there's a lot of him reacting and stuff. But yeah, 510 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:14.319 and then oh yeah, he got in great shape for this. 511 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:18.279 And the the thing I'll say is he he meaning Nolan. 512 00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:20.880 He teases like a few times in Batman, there's a 513 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:23.799 few jump scares, but the first time he like showed 514 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:26.319 some horror it to him wasn't Appenheimer where it's that 515 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:28.839 scene where everyone when the people's faces are melting and 516 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:32.240 it's silent and killing. Murphy's like having PTSD. I don't 517 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:34.920 think Nolan's gonna ever make a full horror movie. But 518 00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:37.960 the horror fan or the horror ISM's or that horror 519 00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:41.319 bone that he has in body, he was flexing in 520 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:45.000 this movie. There's three sequences, one specifically that we are 521 00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:47.319 watching like what we would think like an a twenty 522 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:49.279 four weird horror movie, and it's from the book. It's 523 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:51.119 not as graphic in the book, I'd say, but there's 524 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:53.200 stuff for That's where I and I get it because 525 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:55.240 we talked about this with Clay and Mike, and but 526 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:57.920 Clay he's like, oh man, the Nolan actions always bugs me, 527 00:23:57.960 --> 00:23:59.240 and I go, I don't know if he's ever gonna 528 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:02.200 change that. But what I appreciate Nolan with Appenheimer and this, 529 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:05.160 I feel like he's doing new stuff all the time. 530 00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:07.960 He doesn't have to do these things, but these sequences 531 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:11.079 and segments that are like really fucked up and scary 532 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:15.079 that doesn't fit with Nolan, Like from Memento to Dark 533 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:19.079 Knight or even Interstellar and Dunkirk. There's intense sequences of course, 534 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:21.640 but not stuff I'm like, oh, this would be fit 535 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:24.400 right into any sort of deep horror movies. So yeah, 536 00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:27.240 this was a I can't throw the masterpiece ward around yet. 537 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:29.480 I gotta settle with it. I'm sure there'll be discussions, 538 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:32.319 but I is easily Like I loved Project Hail Mary. 539 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:36.200 This is my easy bullet like movie of the year. Yeah, 540 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:38.039 it's it's a movie that when we get to that 541 00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:41.440 twenty the twenty twenties like year like decade and Golden 542 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:43.759 yeeks like this will be up there, like I'll have 543 00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:46.279 to see what's come out from now to twenty twenty. 544 00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:48.640 But man, this is a It's just incredible and Nolan 545 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:51.920 just surprises me every time, and it was just a 546 00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:53.279 work of art. I can say that if I can't 547 00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:55.039 say mass preciet, I can say a work of art, 548 00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:57.480 and I just can't again if this guy retired now, 549 00:24:57.519 --> 00:24:59.319 look at their careers at But I just can't always wait, 550 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:01.599 like I just feel there's Don't get me wrong, I'm 551 00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:04.799 excited for Dune Project, Kill Mary was that, but no 552 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:06.720 one for me just has it. I think for a 553 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:09.039 lot of us too, But just like there's just something 554 00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:12.200 there's he's got something if you were tell me he 555 00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:14.119 made a deal with the devil to give his music, 556 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:16.720 like his movies a little like extra hospub like okay 557 00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:19.039 that tracks because I can watch these other movies that 558 00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:21.119 are ten out of ten's are great, but there's just 559 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:24.160 something when Nolan's going, Man, he he just has like 560 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:26.200 a spell over me and I didn't and I hope. 561 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:28.880 I definitely will see this again theaters before it's out. 562 00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:30.920 It's a long movie, but it's just because of the scope. 563 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:32.839 I want to see it again. But yeah, man, this 564 00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:35.000 is uh. I can't wait. And it felt much like 565 00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:36.640 what you said Kirk with the Lord of the Rings movies. 566 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:39.200 This felt like three hours, nothing move, like a clip 567 00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:42.359 like I was never like checking the watch worried. So yeah, 568 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:45.319 highly recommend to if you like film, there's gonna be 569 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:48.880 something in here for you. So anything else on sports? 570 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:50.440 Before we start breaking things down. 571 00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:52.640 Should we just pack up Golden Gieks for the year 572 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:54.559 and just call her done? Like, just give all the 573 00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:58.599 awards to the Odyssey and move on. Save ourselves A 574 00:25:58.599 --> 00:25:59.319 cast trying. 575 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:01.519 To think, Oh, Reaperd's three is still coming out, and 576 00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:04.119 I've heard some really good things about that. So but yeah, 577 00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:07.079 I think it's now the it's the one to be, 578 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:09.200 you know, we well, we got some other side characters 579 00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:12.640 to do and whatnot, so we'll see, but uh, we'll 580 00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:14.640 get into it. So for some reason, if you've not 581 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:16.440 read the book, don't heard about the book, or of 582 00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:18.160 course you want to hear the changes, and you've not 583 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:19.839 seen the movie, now's the time to bow out. We're 584 00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:21.599 gonna take an ad break and we'll be right back 585 00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:26.839 into the Odyssey. And we are back where do we 586 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:29.480 want to start with the Odyssey? Because it's you know, 587 00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:32.680 lots of places, lots of people, lots of things. 588 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:35.079 Taylor's got an idea. I don't want to hear it. 589 00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:37.559 I got an idea, I mean maybe a bold idea, 590 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:39.720 but I'd love to just kind of dive into some 591 00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:42.039 of these like tribulations that the boys are doing. Come 592 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:45.440 like on their way back, starting off with the Cyclops, 593 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:49.799 the boys, the boys and the crew. Like when I 594 00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:53.680 was talking about the vocalizations, that just fucking terrifying, terrifying shit, 595 00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:56.200 Like when they get into that cave and they get 596 00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:58.680 trapped and then like the Cyclops like rolling around like 597 00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:01.599 he looked fucking fantastic, Like that was freaky shit, and 598 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:01.839 like it. 599 00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:04.559 Just well, I just want to stop before I forget, 600 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:07.240 because I will forget that shot. When they first see 601 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:09.160 the Cyclops, he sees so what, but then he closes 602 00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:11.440 the rock and then it's completely black, can't see him anymore. 603 00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:14.400 That was another where oh my god, like what a great, 604 00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:16.599 great way to tease him, and then he's gone. He's 605 00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:18.000 in the shot. He don't worry he is. It's like, 606 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:18.880 oh my god. 607 00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:22.000 Yeah, and I think again too. That's that's one of 608 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:26.920 my favorite tricks for not overcompensating and just relying on 609 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:29.480 CGI is just kind of using your peripheral vision. And 610 00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:30.920 they did that like the whole time, Like when they 611 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:33.000 were retreating out of the cave and they just kind 612 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:35.279 of show the Cyclops out in the distance, like between 613 00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:37.319 the tree lines and whatnot. Obviously they show a little 614 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:38.920 bit more when he's in the water, but still he's 615 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:40.920 kind of hidden mostly by the water. It's just his 616 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:43.240 head that's out, but in the cave where it's dark, 617 00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:46.079 and it's just like shushing the sheep in and out, 618 00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:47.839 and like some of the guys get out, some of 619 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:51.319 them stay behind. And then just that howl he makes 620 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:55.319 when they jab into its eye. It's like, oh, my god, 621 00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:59.240 nightmare stuff. And then like I'm with the boys, like 622 00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:01.400 why do why did Odysseus have to do that? When 623 00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:04.079 he's like they're all retreating out in the cyclops, just 624 00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:06.759 sitting in his little his doorway, and Odysseus is like, 625 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:09.160 fuck you. I'm paraphrasing it shoots the arrow. 626 00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:14.200 What his h yeah changes yeahah, David full Boston accent, 627 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:15.039 fuck you. 628 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:18.279 It's how did you guys feel about the whole cyclopes 629 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:19.960 and leading into the other tribulations? 630 00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:22.559 My god, I think that's my favorite sequence in the 631 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:25.920 whole movie, Like I just love I don't know how 632 00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:28.240 long it was, twenty minutes, thirty minutes, I'm not sure 633 00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:30.359 how long it was, but man, just the whole journey 634 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:34.079 of them being stuck in there, slowly devising plans, plans, 635 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:37.680 changing the cyclopes, kind of surprising them in different ways. 636 00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:41.559 The horror of it, Like, yeah, when he closes the 637 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:44.400 door and I kind of had like a perception of 638 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:46.720 how big this creature was, and then when you actually 639 00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:48.440 see like the full size of it, and it's like 640 00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:50.200 four times as big as I thought, it would be 641 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:55.519 just amazing stuff. The look like they don't make special 642 00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:57.079 effects like this, I didn't know. I didn't know if 643 00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:01.079 such thing as possible looks so good. The storted face 644 00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:03.759 and the way that yeah, the mouth and eye, the 645 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:06.759 way they're kind of like twisted is just absolutely nasty. 646 00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:09.640 The like texture of the skin. It's one of those 647 00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:11.920 things I'd be so curious to see, like the making 648 00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:13.440 of Like I wouldn't be surprised if they have a 649 00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:16.759 huge hand practical effect that they use for some shots, 650 00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:20.359 because it looks so good and so authentic, which is 651 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:22.920 crazy for like a giant fantasy creature like that. And 652 00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:25.000 I think, you know, often times of movies they do 653 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.720 a lot of stuff in dark places because it's easier 654 00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:28.920 to hide some of that stuff. But you get a 655 00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:30.799 lot of big, full on shots of this thing, and 656 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:32.960 then you even do get the full daytime shots as well, 657 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:36.039 and so I just am amazed by how good those 658 00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:38.279 special effects. I was totally immersed. I'm like, how did 659 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:40.279 they make a giant for this movie? It's crazy how 660 00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:41.079 good this thing looks. 661 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:42.960 They had to have, I know, because they did do 662 00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:45.440 stuff practical, but like when you're telling then there's another 663 00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:47.720 moment to you when they're by the feet and looked 664 00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:50.720 so realistic, like they gotta have some big version of this. 665 00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:52.720 But yeah, shout out to Bill Irwin, who, like he's 666 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:54.200 the guy you've seen. I think he actually plays like 667 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:57.759 mister Noodle and Sesame Street, like he's like has like 668 00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:00.039 a career being a character actor. But he played the 669 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.000 cyclopes and great body movements like oh, you're not much 670 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:05.440 speaking lines or anything, but just makes you feel and 671 00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:10.319 I love the look. He's just rotten everything. I'm another Kirk. 672 00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:11.839 Do you feel about the cyclopes? 673 00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:13.599 Uh? 674 00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:17.880 Yeah, that was terrifying. I think that totally blew me 675 00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:20.920 away because I was like, that was like the part 676 00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:23.119 of the adventure I like knew the most about, Like 677 00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:25.400 I knew how they got out, like like dressing up 678 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:27.920 like sheep or like at least putting on the like 679 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:30.759 the straw to mimic looking like shit, Like I pretty 680 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.000 much knew that from start to finish, But like Dylan, 681 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:35.359 I was honestly expecting to be so much smaller, Like 682 00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:37.400 I thought it'd be like twelve feet tall, which is 683 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:41.680 like huge, but not this like literally attack on Titan 684 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.440 type level of threat and just grabbing them when it's 685 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:47.720 just like he's just looking at them and just eating 686 00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:50.839 like the heads off the soldier, Like it's just yeah, 687 00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:53.000 And like later on Odssey's even as a line, it's 688 00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:55.000 like like, well, like why don't you talk to us? 689 00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:57.119 It's like would you talk to ants? Like that's literally 690 00:30:57.160 --> 00:30:59.960 how he sees us. Like it's literally just you go 691 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.680 with the cattle, you or you go with the sheep. Right, 692 00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:05.039 So it's just I thought all of that was really 693 00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:08.160 well done. The horrorse I was really good. Uh, And 694 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:10.240 I I really really like the look. It's it's so 695 00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:13.319 different than how I've kind of seen Cyclopsis designed in 696 00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:16.440 the past. I really like just like the twisted nature 697 00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:19.400 that it is, just like it's just a it's just 698 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.599 a freak, just a freak show of of a design. 699 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:25.480 It has the humanoid iss right, like like it looks 700 00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:27.920 like it has the sockets of a regular human, but 701 00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:31.279 then it's like the noses twisted, the eyes twisted, uh 702 00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:33.680 really like like yeah, like the stone skin that it 703 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:38.319 kind of had like that that was a good touch too. Yeah, 704 00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:44.440 and that's just Bill. But just like, yeah, like all 705 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.480 of it's hard to like break down everything because I 706 00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:50.039 just feel like everything was just so perfect, Like like 707 00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:54.359 like Odysseus' reaction to like, yeah, well, well it's light 708 00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:57.920 a fire, we'll welcome the homeowner's back. Like when they 709 00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:04.960 get he's eating his cheese like man like, and then 710 00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:08.839 and then he's just totally like in shock, like when 711 00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:11.680 he actually sees the threat, and yeah, just the way 712 00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:14.200 that it looks looks at them is so terrifying. But 713 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.039 for me, it's like just totally the cherry on top 714 00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:19.799 is like the audio effect when he gets stabbed. It 715 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:24.160 is so fucking loud from him wailing and also just 716 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:27.319 like the score like supplementing that higher sequence, and it 717 00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:30.039 literally doesn't stop until they get off of the island, 718 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:32.599 Like it's so persistent and it just adds such a 719 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:37.279 level of like threat and danger and yeah, bold move 720 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.680 shooting that last arrow off at your enemy. I respect 721 00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:43.640 it as an online PvP gamer, you know, I respect 722 00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:46.519 making the move, but holy fuck man, he could have 723 00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:47.960 saved a lot of his men if he if he 724 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:50.400 didn't do that right, because the he wasn't even chasing them. 725 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.480 He's like, okay, yeah, you guys are out of there. 726 00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:55.200 But there's always a chance he could have chased him 727 00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:57.519 and had better eyesight. Right, So, you don't know, maybe 728 00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:00.559 Odysseus he was already flying, but he could be even 729 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:02.160 more blind if you shoot with an. 730 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:03.559 Arrow pissed off. 731 00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:04.920 Maybe maybe he's a. 732 00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:06.640 Little more psight than being blind. 733 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.680 Well, but just like John, like Guizamo, though, he's like, 734 00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:12.400 I can't see everything, so there's a chance that he 735 00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:12.960 could ue. 736 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.319 I don't think he saw anything. He was full on ears. 737 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:16.680 That's what he told us though. 738 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:20.519 He he who always John John. 739 00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:22.519 Yeah, but he even said I can't see everything. I 740 00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:23.960 can't see much, so he could still see it, like 741 00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:28.000 a little some saying the cyclops could have maybe saw something. Yeah, 742 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:29.759 it's definitely just a play to like, hey, fuck you 743 00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.519 for killing our guys. But uh, he's going through some stuff, 744 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:34.039 you know. And and then this is where because I 745 00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:35.680 want I didn't want to butt in, and I want 746 00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:38.200 to use his example where it'll be interesting for people 747 00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:40.680 that like live and die by this book and they 748 00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.200 don't like changes. For me that all the changes they 749 00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:45.400 do in here, that's why I'm always like I'm down 750 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:48.640 for Christopher Nolans Odyssey in the book. This is like 751 00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:52.880 a very kind of like silly, more comedic scene how 752 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.519 he how they do this is they get the giant 753 00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:57.680 drunk and then they fall asleep and then he pokes 754 00:33:57.680 --> 00:33:59.480 it and it's all about like the giant and they 755 00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:02.880 have full conations with him of like oh uh, because 756 00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:05.880 Odysseus lies and gives a different aim and then after 757 00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.440 they blind him, the Cyclops is like, oh, there was 758 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:10.920 a fortune given to me that Odysseus was always gonna 759 00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:12.800 blind me, and you tricked me by giving me a 760 00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:14.360 fake name. If I knew you were Odysseus, I would 761 00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:17.000 never let it come the cave. And Odysseus is like, yeah, 762 00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:19.360 you tell me, like you tell everybody, A fucking little 763 00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.800 man made you blind, and like so that's where for me, 764 00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:23.559 don't get wrong, this seems great in the book, but 765 00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:26.639 what Nolan did here, that's where it's like I want. 766 00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:29.320 I'm sure Nolan could make a fun, great scene of 767 00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:31.679 all we're gonna get the giant drunk. I don't want that. 768 00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:33.239 With what we got here, It's like, this is what 769 00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:35.880 That's why there's many versions. That's why adaption is great 770 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:40.239 because I would take this horrifying, claustrophobic, scared for your 771 00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:43.320 life scene over. Oh yeah, like let's have some fun 772 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:45.639 here and be a little comedic. So again, there's gonna 773 00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:49.199 be changes that are throughout, but I was I was 774 00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:51.440 very happy with this, and again that's why it's what 775 00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:53.320 I'm here for, right to see what Nolan's gonna do. 776 00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:54.920 And a very scary scene and like you said to you, 777 00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:58.039 they pretty much mask them up until the water and 778 00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:01.559 even that it's like small, which is good because Nolan 779 00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:04.599 said his inspiration for this was the shark from Jaws 780 00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.000 and the first alien from Alien. Then I think they 781 00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:09.000 achieved that type of vibe of you know, you see 782 00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:11.000 it a bunch, but it's also always hidden, like even 783 00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:12.280 if it was in the water, I felt you the 784 00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:15.079 justin because they they had this nice moment. Okay, it's 785 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:16.920 gone and then these two guys are swimming back. Yeah, 786 00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:21.639 we made they got swallowed up and man, just just horrifying. 787 00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:23.719 You're just looking back there and this thing's chasing you. 788 00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:26.559 So one of the many few like horrors of this movie. 789 00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:29.280 And it's a different kind of again, different era of 790 00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:31.559 men too, Like we just them all being in here. 791 00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:33.679 You know, they're they're brawn, they're fighting. But I really 792 00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:35.679 liked how they're like, oh no, instead of sending just 793 00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:37.800 two guys, let's do four, because it's two guys that 794 00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:39.440 this thing eats and then it goes to sleep. So 795 00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:41.599 we're gonna take advantage of that kind of component. 796 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:43.280 So I like that. 797 00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:45.159 I like them kind of thinking on their feet and adapting. 798 00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:49.960 And I feel like in every tribulation it's them, some 799 00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.320 of them either caving and it's succumbing to the temptation 800 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:54.840 or some of them kind of like getting tactical and 801 00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:58.960 figuring out how to work their way around these situations. 802 00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:01.159 And I feel like we the Cyclops was a big one, 803 00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:03.639 and I was confused first pit second when all the 804 00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:06.480 men were out, Odysseus is like turns around and it 805 00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:08.079 just jumps in the cave, like what the fuck are 806 00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:10.239 you doing? But like, oh, he's got buddies still in there, 807 00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:12.400 so that makes sense, so he's not leaving them behind, 808 00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:16.360 which which I like. But yeah, when when those two 809 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:20.119 guys are swimming in the water there, that's just Yeah. 810 00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:22.000 I feel like there were many instances where the boats 811 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:24.480 should not have been beached the way they were. They 812 00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:26.920 should have taken the little dinghies out. Don't beat your 813 00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:28.559 fucking boats on the land. Man. 814 00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:30.519 Well they might, but they might thought they might stay 815 00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.679 like longer. Right, there's a chance they stay overnight or 816 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:35.320 for a couple of days. So but no, but they 817 00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:37.000 didn't know the fucking giants. But I'm just saying, like 818 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:39.159 their point of view is they're thinking they don't know 819 00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:41.280 how long it could be. Right, you don't want to 820 00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:43.599 risk something happening where your boat's out there and it's 821 00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:46.280 damage or lost. Then you have what your little dinghies 822 00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:47.599 you're supposed to get back home. 823 00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:50.079 Like I had three boats, he had three, so he 824 00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:51.639 had you know, some muggle room. 825 00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:54.760 Yeah, I get it. But I can see why they 826 00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:58.079 were why they did what they did. You know, it's 827 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:01.320 their attack plan made sense to me of uh, you know, 828 00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:04.519 because they did that with on the Sun God planet. Right, 829 00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:06.719 they took the boats and they were there for days 830 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:07.840 upon days, right. 831 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:09.360 So they got beached. 832 00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:11.320 Right the win. 833 00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:12.800 Yeah, they took the Dinghies and that would have been 834 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:14.440 a different serve, but I guess they didn't have anchors 835 00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:14.800 back then. 836 00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:16.960 They took the Dinghies when they went and had the 837 00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:18.840 whole Circe sequence too, right, Just. 838 00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:21.880 Yeah, yeah, because they because they were over it, because 839 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:27.519 they all just and they get there, like, yeah, you're 840 00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:29.840 staying there, right that what you guys like, is it 841 00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:32.079 a mutiny? Uh, it doesn't have to be. But they're 842 00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:34.559 just insinuating like we're gonna stay the night, we're gonna eat, 843 00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:36.920 and then we're gonna leave you here, and just brutal 844 00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.840 because I guess he's made some to them some questionable calls, right, 845 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:42.440 but just to leave this guy who led you into battle, Troy, 846 00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:45.079 you were there for years, and you're like, you know what, 847 00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:47.360 now we're gonna we're gonna jack sparrow you and leave 848 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:49.039 you here. It's like, man, this guy and then he 849 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:51.920 saves their butts later on, So obviously I like that 850 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:53.920 joke when he's like, oh, we leave in the morning 851 00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:57.280 and he's like, I can't remember his name, but the 852 00:37:57.280 --> 00:37:59.440 guy that Hamshed Patel plays, I'll pull it up here 853 00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:01.679 and but for them, but when he just kind of 854 00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:03.039 gives in the head and not like yeah, okay, you've 855 00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:04.800 you've made it back in but yeah, what did you 856 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:06.840 guys think about the seriously sequence? 857 00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:13.639 My god man, Yeah, that was disturbing for sure. I 858 00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:15.960 was waiting for that scene and it did not go 859 00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:18.360 how I thought he was gonna go at all. It 860 00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:21.599 was very much like some body horror stuff. I feel 861 00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:25.920 it was very long sequence of her like actually turning 862 00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:28.719 them back or sorry, turning them into pigs. And then 863 00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:31.840 even turning back that was equally disturbing, just like she's 864 00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:34.119 rubbing them. It's like turn back into your disguise is 865 00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:39.039 turned back into she repeating this line every morning. 866 00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:39.920 That's witch. 867 00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:45.239 Your disguise. Witchcraft is fucking creepy when it's portrayed this way. 868 00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:50.119 Again, no one's never done you know like that like 869 00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:52.440 the body horder and that type of stuff, Like that's. 870 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:54.960 A new substance level. 871 00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:56.559 Someone said that when we're walking out. 872 00:38:56.679 --> 00:38:59.800 Yeah, yeah, I also thought they were gonna be pigs 873 00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:00.679 for like much longer. 874 00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:03.239 I think in the book they are a little I 875 00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:05.360 don't think it's as like I don't think he shows 876 00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:07.679 up like like right away and like, hey, what's going on? 877 00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:08.079 I think there is? 878 00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:10.079 It seem pretty little for him to be like, yeah, 879 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:12.920 just turn them back, so okay, okay, And then I 880 00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.519 actually laughed out loud because like the next scene is 881 00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:18.239 like the men like putting on their their shit back 882 00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:20.039 in and they're just coming back into the house. They're 883 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:22.119 just like what the fuck was that? Like that was 884 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:25.719 like that was the most fucked up event of my 885 00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:28.119 entire life. Like I turned into a pig, literally, I 886 00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:30.440 was forced to eat. And now we're just back and 887 00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:32.360 and business as usual. We're not going to take any 888 00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:34.760 revenge on this lady. We're just gonna keep going about. 889 00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:37.639 It was just like the way that Buddy looked at 890 00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:42.760 Circe and then Odysseus, It's just like, what the fuck 891 00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:44.880 even was that? Like that was just so terrifying. 892 00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:50.679 Yeah, it's funny like that that sequence. I thought everything 893 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:52.559 was going kind of normal at at first, and then 894 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.760 when they go outside and like with their weapons aside, 895 00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:58.440 and there's just piles of weapons. That's when I was like, oh, okay, well, 896 00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:01.840 I'm say something's gon here. And the one guy who 897 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:05.119 look like Pedro Pascal, but I don't think is, but 898 00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:07.679 I swear I was like, why is peedron this moving 899 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:09.239 like doesn't have like a spoken line like what's going 900 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:09.679 on here? 901 00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:10.199 Uh? 902 00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:12.559 He like looks over sees like this pile of stuff 903 00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:14.119 and like all these guys, these guys are cooked. And 904 00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:16.400 I thought it was just gonna be classic poison and 905 00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:18.760 they were just gonna drop dead. But I guess that 906 00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:20.559 obviously makes sense when they were hinting with all the 907 00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:22.639 like lions and tigers and things like that all the 908 00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:26.360 all the way up there. But yeah, that sequence just disgusting, 909 00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:29.639 like even whatever they're eating and just how long and stringing, 910 00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:31.800 how it looks like a tapeworm or something like that. 911 00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:35.119 Like it's just disgusting. But they just can't be stopped 912 00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:37.880 and they're just like, yeah, almost puking as they're eating 913 00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:40.360 all this stuff. That sequence was I like, I like 914 00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:42.440 you mentioned that Traves, it just feels like Nolan's never 915 00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:45.719 done something quite like that before. And then yeah, just 916 00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:48.280 like the really nasty zoom in shots and then we 917 00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:52.800 she's like molding them like clay. Uh uh, not our 918 00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:56.920 patron Clay, but like clay molding. It's really really gorgeous stuff. 919 00:40:56.920 --> 00:41:00.280 So I don't know, I just absolutely nasty sequel into 920 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:01.760 the but I couldn't look away at the same time. 921 00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:04.679 Yeah, and good if it's more brought the lion leopard. 922 00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:06.920 That was a great build up as far as they're 923 00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:09.119 walking past all these dangerous animals and they're just chilling 924 00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:12.800 do nothing. They're like, okay, like why like why wouldn't 925 00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:15.039 But maybe they're trained, well why didn't they flinched? But 926 00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:17.559 just the and obviously then and great reveal too, when 927 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:20.559 Matt Damon shoots at the deer and then just a 928 00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:25.280 butt ass naked dude in the field and he's running back. Yeah, 929 00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:27.719 he runs back to the boat guy Josh Stewart. He 930 00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:30.000 just takes all the stuff like you you just stay here. 931 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:32.599 But that's right, even before the pig stuff, just even 932 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:34.199 them eating the food and the way they had the 933 00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:36.400 actions in the food that was disturbing enough that was 934 00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:38.880 gross and like felt so off, Like every time she 935 00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:40.840 saw on Hamish Pattel and he's just like shits like 936 00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:44.000 and he just stuffed like even before she started tormenting 937 00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:46.280 their faces. I was like, Okay, this is super messed up, 938 00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:48.559 and uh, it's giving me the hev GE's. This was 939 00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:50.400 my favorite sequence of the movie just because it was 940 00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:54.000 I like, I just didn't think he was gonna go 941 00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:57.159 this far. And again, I'm very glad this movie was radar, 942 00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:59.679 because I'm sure in PG. Thirteen this couldn't happen. Very 943 00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:01.800 glad they're not like, yeah, yeah, that's kind of like, No, man, 944 00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:04.119 I just made Oppenheimer one, you best picture. You're gonna 945 00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.000 keep this pig scene's gonna stay in here, you know, 946 00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:09.960 And I loved it. That's a nightmare fuel type of scene, 947 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:10.159 you know. 948 00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:14.239 So the way Odysseus like talks her down and convinces her, 949 00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:16.719 you guys are right, maybe it is like a big 950 00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:19.760 brief I suppose, probably compared to the book at least. 951 00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:21.719 But I really love that. 952 00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:23.519 Obviously he does have some leverage there where he's got 953 00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:26.280 his hand around the neck of the bird who turns 954 00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:30.119 out as her sister. But yeah, I just love that 955 00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:32.239 that dialogue sequence there and how he wasn't ready to 956 00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:34.760 give up on his I mean, I didn't think she'd 957 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:35.559 be able to turn them back. 958 00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:36.039 I don't know why. 959 00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.760 I just assume that, you know, especially if this bird 960 00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:40.960 is like important to her, then she would have turned 961 00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:42.800 this bird back obviously, because that was someone that was 962 00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:45.400 important to her. But yeah, I don't know that that 963 00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:48.599 was a really good sequence because I think obviously we 964 00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:51.719 saw a lot of that where violence and like rage 965 00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:53.519 is what fueled him early on. But I think he 966 00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:55.480 really tried to switch it up and sometimes you just 967 00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:57.159 got to fight through a whole sequence. 968 00:42:57.199 --> 00:42:58.880 We see that at the end as well. 969 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:01.840 But yeah, I thought the dialogue there was was really 970 00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:03.400 well done. 971 00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:05.280 So now next time you're on island, you know, not 972 00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:06.480 to take the meats. 973 00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:07.440 You know, take the meats. 974 00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.199 Don't take Yeah, although I mean that first the food 975 00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:12.320 looked really good. I mean, she had tons of stuff 976 00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:13.880 cooking in there. I'm sure it smelled good and you 977 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:15.599 go in there. But yeah, just when I don't think. 978 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:17.679 It looked very good, I went doing it looked it 979 00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:19.199 looked as it looked like we have. 980 00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:23.119 Raman i've ever seen in my life there. 981 00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:27.320 Right now to be a pig has to come. 982 00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:29.239 In and take her down a not so she turns 983 00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.360 me back. But uh yeah, once it was going down 984 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:34.840 their throats, they're like all choking on it and whatnot. 985 00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:38.960 That was a bit, uh, a bit gruesome. But yeah, 986 00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:41.920 it's just it's it's cool in retrospect because it's like, okay, well, 987 00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:44.960 now you know, all these big cats going up the valley, 988 00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.840 wy are all people that she's turned into animals for 989 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:53.519 some specific reason. But yeah, she It was interesting because 990 00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:55.679 she was able to be reasoned with. And I don't 991 00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:59.159 know much about Circe, but yeah, it was just a 992 00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:02.039 disgusting scene, really disgusting just when she puts her hand 993 00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:04.719 on like the guy's jab, pulls it out and just 994 00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:07.320 just reshaping them and all that stuff. Oh, this is 995 00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:12.480 just gross and not something I was expecting. But good effects, 996 00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:15.400 good practical effects and all that stuff that they were 997 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:19.079 employing here. So I really like that, but yeah, yucky. 998 00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:21.320 It was cool. She kind of like joins, not joins 999 00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:23.039 her side, but kind of like sets them up, like okay, 1000 00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:24.320 well you want to go to this beach, you know, 1001 00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:26.320 make a sacrifice and then you're going to talk to 1002 00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:27.679 some ship. 1003 00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:31.920 So yeah, go to Haites everything like that, and then great, 1004 00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:35.639 great scene, good great. Uh I call them Harry James 1005 00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:40.239 Ramar he's you know, and I knew that was James. 1006 00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:43.480 I just liked sure, but I'm like, this sounds exactly 1007 00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:44.400 like fucking Harry. 1008 00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:46.920 Yeah it was Harry. I love that he's an old 1009 00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:50.119 guy like he he always says these great scenes and offin. 1010 00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:51.760 Was he I didn't even catch it. 1011 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:52.760 I can't remember. 1012 00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:54.079 He's like mud man. 1013 00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:57.960 He's like, yeah, trigging the blood trice. 1014 00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:02.719 I thought was rolling for a second rolling. I could 1015 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:03.800 not tell who that was. 1016 00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:07.480 But yeah, tire sees whatever. I'm not gonna I'm gonna 1017 00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:12.360 butcher these names. But yeah, James, Yeah, he's an Oppenheimer. 1018 00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:13.920 He had a great scene stealer when he made that 1019 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:15.840 terrible joke and Oppenheimer and then he's in here and 1020 00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:18.559 like a very like like he did like if you 1021 00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:20.800 were to say, like, hey, Dafoe's gonna do this type 1022 00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:22.239 of role. But yeah, the photo is that weird stuff 1023 00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:24.039 all the time. But like, I don't pick James is 1024 00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:25.920 like doing the weird type of role guy, right, And 1025 00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:27.719 that's why I like again, it was just like I've 1026 00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.360 never the the weird stay saying James roond Do is 1027 00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:32.719 like a whore anthology where he like made love to 1028 00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:34.480 a gargoyle back in the day and that was like 1029 00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:36.679 back in the eighties, so it's been a minute. So 1030 00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:41.280 that whole sequence was great. The look of everybody of 1031 00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:45.159 every man done. I was getting like Senya Blade, like 1032 00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:46.400 what the hell is the full. 1033 00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:48.599 Name of the games and was sacrificing? 1034 00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:51.360 Yeah whatever, that the way they're looking all muddy and 1035 00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:54.360 oily and stuff. As I getting that big vibe Page 1036 00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.599 is greater, I had to laugh because Emily doesn't follow 1037 00:45:56.599 --> 00:45:59.559 stuff as much anymore. So I'm sure we'll circle back 1038 00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:01.679 to it. But when Elliott Page's well, first of all, 1039 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:04.360 the movie opens with Travis Scott Bold and then the 1040 00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:06.440 next shot see Page and he's there, He's sitting there 1041 00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:07.800 on the beach and that gets killed the arrows and 1042 00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:11.239 they just laughed because she thought she had not seen it, 1043 00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:13.320 because I knew Elliot Page was coming back and see 1044 00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:15.280 you on like in in the mud and doing the 1045 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:17.920 whole prophecy thing, but she had not seen maybe just 1046 00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:21.079 maybe one tease or something, so like God tip Page 1047 00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:23.119 and then he just got killed right away. She's like, 1048 00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:25.480 oh really, that's that's all like thirty seconds of screen 1049 00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:27.440 time a yet. But then now he got some more stuff. 1050 00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.719 But now this this was fit again all like this 1051 00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:32.400 is gonna be a bit when we get to Golden Geeks. 1052 00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:35.079 For it's that It's that this is that movie where 1053 00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:37.440 it's like, hey, here's the ten scenes from Odyssey, what 1054 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:40.119 do we do with this? But everything the whole sequence 1055 00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:45.559 just talking about just sacrifices and how like Odysseus thought 1056 00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:49.480 he was doing a good thing for zion CeON, however, 1057 00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.800 for I'm not. I'm gonna lie to him and not 1058 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:54.840 tell him the truth that we're in here because he's 1059 00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:57.679 being noble and doing this right. But then he's like, well, no, 1060 00:46:58.280 --> 00:46:59.679 you lie to me. So I just saw you kind 1061 00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:01.239 of a band to me. I was on my own side. 1062 00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:04.360 I questioned everything, I did everything about this battle. So 1063 00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:07.559 like again, like Odysseus, many times this movie figures out, 1064 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:10.000 oh I was wrong to do this, but what. 1065 00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:12.000 Is this his line too, he's like, I was right there. 1066 00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:15.519 I heard you won the war. 1067 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:17.800 He won the war. But it's like that didn't that 1068 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:20.400 didn't help him and his journey, right, And that's where 1069 00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:22.159 and again we get to that at the end with 1070 00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:26.000 the Trojan horse everything. But he was so goal oriented 1071 00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:28.320 on winning this and doing this, he didn't think about 1072 00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:30.480 that stuff till after it was all over. And even 1073 00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:31.880 then he hasn't thought of this until he has to 1074 00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:35.559 see the ghost of this dude. Right, But great sequence, phenomenal. 1075 00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.400 I got one nitpick in a second, But I'll wait 1076 00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:41.320 till you guys circle around. There's another character that pops 1077 00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:42.400 up that. Yeah. 1078 00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:46.039 No, I think that the visuals of that sequence were unbelievable. 1079 00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:47.400 I did have a question for you guys, because I 1080 00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:49.639 feel like I classic Nolan. Sometimes you just can't hear 1081 00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:52.360 things properly because of the sound mixing. I do think 1082 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:54.480 this was much better than Tennant, which had a ton 1083 00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:55.119 of those issues. 1084 00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:56.840 Oh yeah, maybe. 1085 00:47:56.679 --> 00:47:59.440 It's because I was in Imax. Bragg got to the 1086 00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:03.239 audio balancing is much better there. But the guy who 1087 00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:05.639 was like the really big guy with the kind of 1088 00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:07.960 the black armor set, who was like married to Helen 1089 00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.559 of Troy, Like what happened between them I totally missed, 1090 00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:13.320 Like he betrayed her or took her daughter. 1091 00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:17.719 I missed what happened there. I was gonna say, either wan, 1092 00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:21.360 that's Agamemnon. He's like the king of the Greeks. Yeah, 1093 00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:25.719 his brother was John Bernenthal Manelaeis and his wife was 1094 00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:28.440 Helen and Troy. So when Helen and Troy got taken, 1095 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:32.320 Agamennon is like my bro, my bro, you know, we 1096 00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:34.440 gotta we gotta go storm Troy and get your woman back, 1097 00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.119 but in reality and egame, Moon wanted to just fuck 1098 00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.480 up Troy because they're in charge of the trade routes, right, 1099 00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:43.599 because they're in like a strategic location. But he's married 1100 00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:47.840 to Helena, Troy's twin sister. I guess yes, so Lapita 1101 00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:49.719 played the same same. 1102 00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:53.239 Yeah. One part you forgot to mention though, is John 1103 00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:57.000 Berthnall's wife. She did wasn't taken. She left Berthal for 1104 00:48:57.079 --> 00:48:59.239 a different guy like this, So this happens in the 1105 00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.760 Lily four the Odyssey. Yeah, you haven't seen the Troy 1106 00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:04.760 Watch Troy is like a good prequel, but like I think, 1107 00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:07.280 I think it's all covered in the Liliad too, and stuff, 1108 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.440 which I think I might read after because I think, 1109 00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:12.519 like the Trojan Horse in the War of Troy is 1110 00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:14.880 in the Odyssey, but it's not like it's just lots 1111 00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:17.159 of time referred to, like it's like, oh, that happened, 1112 00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:18.920 and we know this person from that. I think most 1113 00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:20.920 that takes place in the Liliad because it's like all 1114 00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:24.039 these characters and then aunt like Odysseus kind of spins off. 1115 00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:27.000 But what happens is John Berthall's wife leaves him, so 1116 00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:30.119 he goes to Benny Saftie, who's agamonomon, you know whatever, 1117 00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:32.639 Darth Vader looking motherfucker, who was great. That's why I 1118 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:36.199 want to nitpick until he spoke. I wish he did 1119 00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:42.000 something the exact same thing he start Vader and he's like, hey, 1120 00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:44.280 this is this, make sure you uh don't leave your 1121 00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:45.440 wife and don't go home, and it's. 1122 00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:48.159 Like Aora Maxine, like like when when they opened the 1123 00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:51.079 gates of Troy and he's just standing there. Oh my Vader. 1124 00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:52.280 I'm like like. 1125 00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.800 Yeah, when he walks, it vibrates. He had like he's 1126 00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:57.400 so big, and then when he's and it's weird because 1127 00:49:57.400 --> 00:49:59.840 Oppenheimer he has he does a deep voice in Oppenheimer, 1128 00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:01.840 so I know he can do it. I think maybe 1129 00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:04.760 he was trying to like maybe seem like in death 1130 00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:07.039 now he's not scary, So if that's the purpose, I 1131 00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:08.960 get it. But yeah, because we never see him again. 1132 00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:12.559 I had such a different experience, like I since I 1133 00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:14.400 didn't know a ton of the cast, or like I 1134 00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:16.960 learned about these things and then forgot, like James Ramar 1135 00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:19.519 and Safti, I didn't realize either of them were in this, 1136 00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:21.480 and then I saw Safty in the credits, I was like. 1137 00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:23.960 Who the fuck was Benny's safety in this movie? 1138 00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:25.639 So for me, honestly, it worked. 1139 00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:29.719 I I was tricked, I was deceived, So that. 1140 00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:31.400 Worked for me. I wasn't taking out of it. 1141 00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:34.280 But yeah, So like what Kirkland says, Birthlall's wife leaves him, 1142 00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:36.199 that's all reapeda that's helling sure, And that's why she 1143 00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:38.199 gets her face cut up, because it's like when he 1144 00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:40.960 gets her back, that's her punishment is because she's so beautiful. 1145 00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:43.199 That's why people would go to war for and fight. 1146 00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:46.239 Let's mess up her face, right, So when he takes her, 1147 00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:49.719 Benny Safty has always wanted to go fuck up Troy 1148 00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:52.480 and invade it and destroy it. But they use this 1149 00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:56.079 excuse of oh, well you stole my brother's wife. But 1150 00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:58.280 really it has nothing. It has a little do with 1151 00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.679 Helen Troy, but like it doesn't have like she's just 1152 00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:03.599 like a straw man. So that and then but when 1153 00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:06.039 he goes home, that's why Kirkan says, the sister fucks 1154 00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:08.760 him up because he killed a bunch of people and 1155 00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:12.119 ruined her twin sister's life. So when he's there getting 1156 00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:14.039 ready to get late, he's like I have one took 1157 00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:16.400 an over Troy, I got the trade route and then 1158 00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:19.079 she kills him. It's like a family, like you hurt 1159 00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:21.719 my sister and you did a bunch of other innocent people. 1160 00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:25.320 The worst thing that he did was he literally sacrificed 1161 00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:27.880 to her for better winds. 1162 00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:29.840 It's a lot of things, Yeah, it's a lot of things. 1163 00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:32.159 There. There was like a flashback cutscene to like her 1164 00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:34.519 in tears when that moment happened. So I think that 1165 00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:36.360 was very much the incitings. 1166 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:37.599 Probably the CROs but the other stuff didn't help. You know, 1167 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:39.360 the other stuff didn't help the winds. 1168 00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:40.960 You know, he needed the winds on his side. 1169 00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:43.239 You know, worked won on the war. 1170 00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:45.679 He just didn't get to survive much after. 1171 00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:48.719 You know, he didn't have what is right arguably he wouldn't. 1172 00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:51.039 Or Achilles or anything like that, right. 1173 00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:52.199 But yeah, he was mentioned in this. 1174 00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:57.159 He died way before the horse, so Bingo game to 1175 00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:00.559 play watching a new Nolan movie with like, oh yeah, 1176 00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:02.760 this actor wasn't like this other Nolan movie. You know, 1177 00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:05.480 Elliott Page hasn't been in something since inception. A bunch 1178 00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:07.199 of these people were in Oppenheimer. So a lot of 1179 00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:09.239 them are building up a little streak here, but in 1180 00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:11.239 Matt Damon of course, like it's it's so much fun. 1181 00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:13.679 And Hathaway, like all these people have like been in 1182 00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:15.960 a movie at some point, maybe not for like ten 1183 00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:18.559 fifteen years or something like that. It's it's really fun 1184 00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:20.519 to kind of get the crew all back together in 1185 00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:23.039 a way, and then just a million new like amazing 1186 00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:24.119 actors who have never worked. 1187 00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:25.360 With him, even the guy because I'm a fan of 1188 00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:27.280 him from The Collector too. And so the guy who's 1189 00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:29.239 like the bar who like holds like he's the ship 1190 00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:31.360 guy that's always holding the thing like left or right. 1191 00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:34.480 He's like Bain's number one henchman in the Dark Knight 1192 00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:36.480 rises like he's just a guy that's a sniper and 1193 00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:39.239 he's just like that's all he does. But he's in this. 1194 00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:42.199 And we did this after once spent Onhile, Hollywood, we 1195 00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:44.199 should do a Nolan draft before the next movie and 1196 00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:46.559 do like a we all draft five actors and see 1197 00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:48.880 who can get closest of getting them in there. Because 1198 00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:50.480 and I like it, Like you said, it's like it's 1199 00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:54.519 different eras you know, because Matt Damon and Hathaway are 1200 00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:56.880 more of that like the tens Era, right, and then 1201 00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:58.800 some of these people are the Oppenheimer and whatnot. I 1202 00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.159 am still Wayne, Like I hope his next movie. I'm 1203 00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:02.719 waiting for Bail will come back and waiting for Jack 1204 00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:04.480 when it feels like he's not pulling from like or 1205 00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:07.079 Joseph goryon Levitt, Like I could be wrong, but I 1206 00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:09.960 feel like Elliott Page, unless it springs, his mind is 1207 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:12.159 the oldest one that he has connection to, Like, is 1208 00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:15.559 there anyone past Inception in this cast? 1209 00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:18.239 Well, isn't Ann Hathaway like older or. 1210 00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:20.599 No, that's Interstellar though that's twenty twelve, so that's after 1211 00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:22.400 inception and during. 1212 00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:24.039 So okay darkness. 1213 00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:27.199 I'm yeah, So I think like Elliot Page is like 1214 00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:31.199 he is like the the the veteran of the group, 1215 00:53:31.239 --> 00:53:33.239 Like I was trying to think of anybody else, And 1216 00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:35.000 because there's a lot of new people. 1217 00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:37.559 There's a couple other side characters I recognize that might 1218 00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:41.079 have appeared in something beforehand, Like yeah, that was always 1219 00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:43.559 wearing the fucking stirrups, that was making noise and then 1220 00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:46.760 at the end he's like throwing weapons into the fighting arena. 1221 00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:52.559 Logan Marshall Green, Yeah, like you're just confusing for Tom Hardy. 1222 00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:53.920 I always do. 1223 00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:55.280 Because he's like the lookalike. 1224 00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.039 I swear I thought he was like a like a 1225 00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:01.119 henchman in in the in the the Baine movie Dark 1226 00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:02.440 Knight Rises, But I guess not. 1227 00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:04.400 Am I even Josh Stewart again, you know, you know 1228 00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:05.039 it's a. 1229 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:06.800 Good little side character, though I would love to see 1230 00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:11.239 him more things has John? How do you print the 1231 00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:14.320 last time? Le Gizmo? He feels like. 1232 00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:20.440 The first time too, John, So you know, even Tras Scott, 1233 00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:22.280 he's he's more a return leg zob because he was 1234 00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:23.920 in an inner cellar or he's in ten it you know, 1235 00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:27.719 and did this song for that. But okay, where were we? 1236 00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:30.840 But oh yeah, Haiti seen anything else that on the 1237 00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:31.960 the Haiti sequence here? 1238 00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:36.639 Uh no, I I love that. I really was curious 1239 00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:39.480 as to the visuals, like what the hades location would 1240 00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:42.639 would look like? Uh not what I thought, but I 1241 00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:44.920 really dug it. I like the silhouettes of the shades. 1242 00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:47.800 That was terrifying. When they basically chase him out of there, 1243 00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:52.239 that was terrifying. Uh, James Ramar, that was just cherry 1244 00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:58.159 on top. Yeah. It also just felt like because Odiss 1245 00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:00.840 is going down this hole like this this road. Now 1246 00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:04.280 he's been told like this is basically what has to happen. 1247 00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:06.159 You're like, all your men are gonna die. You're gonna 1248 00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:08.199 be the one that makes it through. And he's like 1249 00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:10.840 clearly like, well, I'm gonna go against the gods. I'm 1250 00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:13.280 gonna I'm gonna do x y Z. I'm just waiting 1251 00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:16.280 for terrible stuff to happen. And uh, of course it 1252 00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:20.000 kind of end up happen, especially for his men later on, 1253 00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:23.519 but in that moment, it just felt like everything that 1254 00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:26.840 was coming up, I'm just nervous. I was just nervous. 1255 00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:29.360 I'm like, man, he's he's bringing down the wrath of 1256 00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:32.400 Zeus and Poseidon and all these other fucking Greek gods 1257 00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:34.800 on everyone. He's got a you know, just tearing up 1258 00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:37.199 every time she looks at him, just feeling so sad, 1259 00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:38.800 like it's just bad times. 1260 00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:40.760 But we had a good exile himself though, even though 1261 00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:42.639 he lost his man. I mean, he's just shacking up 1262 00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:46.039 with Charlie Staron and this island just him and this lady. 1263 00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:50.400 And yeah, which in the book, like Davy Jones, Davy 1264 00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:55.960 Jones were out this guy, yeah seven years just saying 1265 00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:58.039 out with one of the hottest actress of all time. 1266 00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:00.960 But like in the movie, they really did the full 1267 00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:03.360 like he wasn't tricked because she was like nursing him 1268 00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:05.760 back to health, but really like a I've been here, 1269 00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:08.159 like sleeping with you this whole time. In the book, 1270 00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:10.199 it is not like that. He's he's very much like 1271 00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:12.760 he's cognizant of like he's cheating on his wife. It's 1272 00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:15.119 a struggle. He cheats on his wife multiple times like 1273 00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:18.000 another woman in the book. Like so in in the book, 1274 00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:19.719 it's more like I do really want to go home, 1275 00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:21.960 but I'm dealing with this war torn stuff. Can I 1276 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.679 go home? Right? And eventually she's so sick of it 1277 00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:27.079 because he just keeps some of those wife and his son. 1278 00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:29.039 She's like, you get out here, like go fack to 1279 00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:30.719 your fucking like this is clearly and like what do 1280 00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:32.880 you mean, Like yeah, like you clearly still love her. 1281 00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:34.840 Go and he realized, oh, I do love her. But 1282 00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:37.199 in the books it's he's much more a willing participant 1283 00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:38.639 in the affair, where here it kind of felt like 1284 00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:42.280 it was like a like a, yeah, I had a 1285 00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:45.480 niche a sort of situation, right, but uh so they 1286 00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:47.199 kind of took that and I think for the most part, 1287 00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:51.760 they did make him kind of a uh, not a 1288 00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:54.320 likable lead, like some questionable stuff I think in the books. 1289 00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:56.840 So he is much more of a I won't say 1290 00:56:56.880 --> 00:56:58.880 a complete piece of shit, but way more of a 1291 00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:00.760 tougher to like where I've in the movies that kind 1292 00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:02.920 of like down for him. 1293 00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:05.679 In this I never waiver, Like it always felt like 1294 00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:07.519 he his heart was in a good place and they 1295 00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:09.480 had to like sacrifice people along the way, I guess, 1296 00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:11.519 but it felt like it was for not just himself, 1297 00:57:11.519 --> 00:57:14.880 but for like the most amount of lives to get 1298 00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:16.719 back home. It seemed like he was making decisions in 1299 00:57:16.760 --> 00:57:18.519 that way, even if he was a bit greedy sometimes. 1300 00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:20.519 Yeah, I still feel like they did a good job 1301 00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:24.719 though at highlighting. I mean, like it's it's a struggle 1302 00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:27.320 that he clearly showcases by the end, like when he 1303 00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:31.119 has the flashbacks to the actual sacking of Troy and 1304 00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:34.559 just like realizing it's almost like an Oppenheimer moment, right 1305 00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:38.400 like when he does like I've become death, like destroy 1306 00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:41.159 of world, It's like that's basically what he what happens. 1307 00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:45.000 It's like this is the most extreme case of like 1308 00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:47.960 breaking the law of Zeus right like literally gave like 1309 00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:51.159 a sacred artifact to these people as like a like 1310 00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:53.440 an offering of peace, and then we hid in it 1311 00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:54.880 and then just slipped their throats in the middle of 1312 00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:57.280 the night and it's just execute big as sin and 1313 00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:00.199 then just like tying it into of like these the 1314 00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:03.400 people that came from the sea like this this like Boogeyman. 1315 00:58:03.519 --> 00:58:05.440 That's just like everyone is. Feel like there's just so 1316 00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:09.880 many things, like like symbolisms I think that were kind 1317 00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:12.440 of revealed in that final moment and it's like, oh wow, 1318 00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:15.119 like I single hand and like this is when he's 1319 00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:17.840 talking to Penelope too, and she's like, well, many men 1320 00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:20.119 were obviously like at cause of this. It's like yeah, 1321 00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:22.239 but it was one man's idea and like all of 1322 00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:24.320 that weight kind of falls on his own shoulders. Again, 1323 00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:26.960 very similar to like how Oppenheimer was was kind of 1324 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:29.239 going through all that out that was showcasing the movie. 1325 00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:31.719 I feel like you can tell, you know, I could 1326 00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:33.320 be wrong, could be reading into it, but I don't 1327 00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:35.079 think so. I feel like you can tell the way 1328 00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:37.760 that the world that Christopher Nolan feels about it with 1329 00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:40.519 his last two movies, that they're so fucking bleak and 1330 00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:44.239 just about how men betray each other and turning each 1331 00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:47.159 other and how like the future is like I hope 1332 00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:48.639 we figure it out, you know, like it's like the 1333 00:58:48.639 --> 00:58:50.400 bomb of the end, like, well, what happens if someone 1334 00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:52.840 does use this? And it's like, well, Oppenheimer, I hope 1335 00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:54.760 you didn't screw us over right, And I think this 1336 00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:57.800 one ends on a bit more of a bit more 1337 00:58:57.840 --> 00:58:59.559 hopeful because it is that kind of you know, the 1338 00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:02.039 whole you know, treat Stranger's kindnesscause he never really could 1339 00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:05.000 be the gods in disguise, right, But still that whole 1340 00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:06.840 third act is a lot of these men trying to 1341 00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:08.920 take advantage of a situation, just like he did right 1342 00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:11.880 with the Gift. They're not doing anything that he didn't do, 1343 00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:15.760 Like it's still within the battles of war, and same 1344 00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:18.239 thing here, like he is a guy that they're trying 1345 00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:21.519 to take over and he's exiled and everything. So again, 1346 00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:23.760 but it's the idea of you can do these things, 1347 00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:25.760 but should you do these things? Same thing with Alben 1348 00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:26.360 him or the bomb. 1349 00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:26.559 Right. 1350 00:59:26.599 --> 00:59:29.360 So I think the fact that his last two movies 1351 00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:33.119 have been very I think worldly and about these big 1352 00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:35.639 themes as far as the Pandora's Box and what you 1353 00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:37.920 should do with it and the cost of life, I 1354 00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:40.679 think is very telling, and you know, hopefully people pick 1355 00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:44.159 up on that stuff. But you know, definitely a depressing 1356 00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:47.159 double feature and long double feature, but a good one nonetheless, 1357 00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:48.360 I think. So. 1358 00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:50.199 The last thing I want to shout out that was 1359 00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:53.159 kind of morally questionable too is when I think it's 1360 00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:55.440 like the first island that they arrived to and they're like, oh, 1361 00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:57.639 I told you that we would land somewhere to get fitted. Yeah, 1362 00:59:57.639 --> 00:59:59.960 and they literally just get murder and like just burn 1363 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:01.920 the village right then and there. It's just like, yeah, 1364 01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:03.679 it's like why didn't you Why didn't you bring us 1365 01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:06.159 in and feed us? It's like this starving village even 1366 01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:09.800 though it's like another example, you guys are literally just 1367 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:12.280 the people from the sea, Like you literally just just 1368 01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:16.159 just boted on in, came in murdered these people, burnt 1369 01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:18.519 their their lands, took their food. Like these people are 1370 01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:22.679 fucked now, Like like what if these are zeus in disguise? 1371 01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:25.800 Like yeah, there's a couple. Like I feel like early 1372 01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:28.360 on those moments are like really sprinkled in and it's like, well, 1373 01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:30.159 he's doing for the greater goods. So it's it's a 1374 01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:33.480 heroic type, like it's a necessary thing that he has 1375 01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:36.159 to do. Then by the end, when he's having that Pts. 1376 01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:40.000 Detroit moment seeing Athena being beheaded, like it's just okay, 1377 01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:41.159 maybe I am the bad guy. 1378 01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:42.920 Yeah. And that's one thing I think they did a 1379 01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:44.760 good job because in the book it's like that you 1380 01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:47.159 don't like. The reason why Idysseus can be like not 1381 01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:49.199 a great main character as far as like you're rooting 1382 01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:51.800 for all the time is because they are just combands 1383 01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:54.599 of war and no one's like exactly right in the situation, right. 1384 01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:57.159 I think another time when they nailed it is when 1385 01:00:57.159 --> 01:00:59.960 Tom Holland is learning all this birth noll he's bonding 1386 01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:02.039 with him and he's saying goodbye to him, and he says, 1387 01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:05.000 by Helen Troy and he like wraps his arm around 1388 01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:07.280 her hand neck and pulls her way and ray away. 1389 01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:09.840 Tom Al's like, oh, there's a whole different side this 1390 01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:12.239 guy I don't even know about. Right. So from his perspective, 1391 01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:15.280 John Berthnell's character is like a good guy, helped him out, 1392 01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:16.840 friend of his dad. Oh I loved your dad. I'm 1393 01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:18.320 gonna train you, I'm gonna give you ideas to get 1394 01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:21.239 your kingdom back, but really behind closed doors, he also 1395 01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:23.760 destroyed his wife's face, you know. And that's where it's like, 1396 01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:26.400 none of these people are They're all just killing people. 1397 01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:27.840 It's like, you sick when they get this island and 1398 01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:30.239 it cuts just all their houses are on fire. It's like, 1399 01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:33.079 did you actually need to do that part two? Like 1400 01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:35.880 I doubt you really had to ransack everything, right, So 1401 01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:38.079 it's I think they did a good job of not 1402 01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:40.440 losing that that he is our main protagonist character and 1403 01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:43.360 that's a journey. But these aren't like heroes. They're not 1404 01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:46.559 heroic people that won a war. They literally were vikings 1405 01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:48.320 and destroyed everything, right, So m. 1406 01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:55.199 M yeah, to skip to another tribulation, that's probably, you know, 1407 01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:58.320 one of the lower tier ones, but it's still a 1408 01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:01.920 really well done sequence. It's just another time they land 1409 01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:04.800 ashore and then we I don't know what the name 1410 01:02:04.840 --> 01:02:06.800 of these like giant silver guys. 1411 01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.840 What is the holy fuck man? I I don't know 1412 01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:14.199 what they're called. That was such an intense scene though, 1413 01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:18.039 like can you imagine, Okay, you're you're you just survived 1414 01:02:18.079 --> 01:02:21.119 Troy ten years long siege. Okay, now we're just gonna 1415 01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:25.119 start just island hopping here. You know it's going somewhat okay, 1416 01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:27.039 you're losing some men on the way. You land on 1417 01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:29.719 this one island and you just see these just fucking 1418 01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:36.719 eleven foot tall giants wearing full fucking plate armor. Listrigonians 1419 01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:37.360 there you go. 1420 01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:39.440 That's a word right there. 1421 01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:42.800 And they just fuck you up like you can't even 1422 01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:46.519 you can't even democracy with these guys. You know, you can't, 1423 01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:49.840 can't you can't try in peace talk that Like they 1424 01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:52.199 literally are just fucking you up. You have no chance. 1425 01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:56.760 They're fast, they're chasing you in half. 1426 01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:00.559 Well, the trees, you got the ns that are against 1427 01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:03.280 you too. These fucking trees are moving around, just cages, 1428 01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:05.280 just like fishing a barrel. 1429 01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:06.960 Oh my god, terrifying. 1430 01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:10.239 And my favorite sequence of that was when they get 1431 01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:11.920 on the one boat and they pan out and they 1432 01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:14.239 just see the giants like destroying the boat with their 1433 01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:16.239 bare hands, flipping it over, and. 1434 01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:20.199 Yeah, you're just hearing the cries of like fifty men. 1435 01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:22.079 That was a lot of men that died, but that 1436 01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:24.800 one the one that did pull me out. When they 1437 01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:29.119 saw the first like giant infant like the boy and 1438 01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:31.599 then like boy stood up and like turned around and 1439 01:03:31.639 --> 01:03:36.000 like screamed. I was like, I'm getting like spoiled Brad 1440 01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:40.840 vibes from this boy. Yeah, like like an iPad kid 1441 01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:41.599 kind of vibe. 1442 01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:46.679 You know, I don't think it was in Homer's honesty, 1443 01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:50.039 I don't listen. I only listened to it once and 1444 01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:51.880 it took me like a month. I slowly listened to 1445 01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:53.840 but I didn't catch any iPad kids in there, So 1446 01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:57.360 maybe that's in a it's on the translation I I partook, 1447 01:03:57.400 --> 01:03:58.079 and but. 1448 01:03:57.840 --> 01:03:59.679 But I feel like things could have transpired. 1449 01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:04.159 No, I mean they're cannibal. This is this is like, 1450 01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:06.599 oh this is a week, this is maybe months worth 1451 01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:07.480 of meals right here. 1452 01:04:07.519 --> 01:04:12.519 But they're more prime like wild and like Primeval kind 1453 01:04:12.519 --> 01:04:16.079 of I think in the actual like Homer's like telling 1454 01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:16.440 of it. 1455 01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:19.480 Yeah, I don't think they actually have the armor. I 1456 01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:22.039 think a lot of people are mad about that's like again, 1457 01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:25.000 it's just like they look people like had problem with 1458 01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:27.039 the Greeks arm, like the people that like are like history. 1459 01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:28.840 Peel was like, no, I love the Greeks. Armor looked 1460 01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:31.800 fucking cool, like those masks that had like the like 1461 01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:35.719 the te's and stuff like, no, everybody same thing as agamonomon, 1462 01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:38.920 Like he he looked great. That doesn't look fantastic. He 1463 01:04:38.920 --> 01:04:41.039 didn't look like that. Like I'm all down for them 1464 01:04:41.079 --> 01:04:44.719 to be like, yeah, let's make these giants have silver armor, 1465 01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:45.719 and they just look like. 1466 01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:47.320 They're so clean. 1467 01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:49.840 It was a weird look in a way that I 1468 01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:50.599 really enjoyed. 1469 01:04:50.719 --> 01:04:52.960 Yeah, yeah, I found it also just like a good 1470 01:04:53.199 --> 01:04:56.480 trick to hide the CGI on them, right, like yeah, yeah, 1471 01:04:56.559 --> 01:05:00.320 a little bit better. I like the idea. And like 1472 01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:02.920 you said, Travis, I loved the costume design across the board. 1473 01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:05.440 I love Penelope's outfits. I loved all the armor. 1474 01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:06.199 Uh. 1475 01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:09.440 This is just like such a nostalgic type of attire 1476 01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:13.480 for me, because I truly love that movie, Troy. Uh, 1477 01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:17.199 when I rewatch it nowadays, it's definitely cheeseball filled moments 1478 01:05:17.239 --> 01:05:19.920 for sure. But like I loved that movie as a 1479 01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:23.840 kid like that, playing age mythology, Age of Empires, just 1480 01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:26.639 like the Bronze Age like that. I was eating that 1481 01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:29.239 stuff up when I was first getting into our rts's 1482 01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:30.679 and stuff like that. 1483 01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:33.880 I will say this movie didn't make me laugh a 1484 01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:36.840 whole lot, not a lot of big laughs one that 1485 01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:38.639 we can talk about later. But one one of my 1486 01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:41.440 laughs was later in the movie, just when when the 1487 01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:43.719 whole final sequence and Pattison's. 1488 01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:44.480 Like shields, shields. 1489 01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:46.760 I was laughing at that part. 1490 01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:49.159 But also when they show up and they start talking 1491 01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:52.360 to that kid with the Last Premonial whatever those guys 1492 01:05:52.360 --> 01:05:55.639 are called, and then Hamish like the backup guys. 1493 01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:57.400 Like we just want food, give us some food. 1494 01:05:57.880 --> 01:05:59.800 Like the way he was just like immediately yelling at 1495 01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:02.719 this child gave me a good and how weird the 1496 01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:04.480 kid looked to that. 1497 01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:05.840 That got a chuckle out of me. 1498 01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:07.960 And maybe I don't know if it was intentionally going 1499 01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:10.159 for a laugh there, but those are the two points 1500 01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:12.159 in this movie that gave me a little laugh. 1501 01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:15.039 I feel like they could have taken on more of 1502 01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:18.079 those giants, to be honest, because after they're all retreating, 1503 01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:20.519 they just like get out of here. Yeah, run away. 1504 01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:22.559 Because when you see that quick cut scene of them 1505 01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:25.280 on the last boat and Odysseus fires that headshot and 1506 01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:29.039 just like one hit Ko's that guy freeing or saving 1507 01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:33.039 hey mesh, I just felt like, okay, well that just 1508 01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:35.119 kind of settles it. Like these guys there were there 1509 01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:37.000 was a lot of them, and more than enough that 1510 01:06:37.039 --> 01:06:41.559 they could have definitely taken out more of these guys. 1511 01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:43.320 One arrow to the head and that one. 1512 01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:46.480 But that's because one arrow that giant's not looking at 1513 01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:49.280 Damon specifically, and he has the high ground. I think 1514 01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:50.639 that sequence Odysseus. 1515 01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:52.920 I don't think he is like a full plethora of 1516 01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:54.519 Odysseus's right, And. 1517 01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:55.880 That's why I was gonna say, wuldn't that to me? 1518 01:06:55.960 --> 01:06:58.599 The point of no return was Honestly, we'll get to 1519 01:06:58.679 --> 01:06:59.960 the end of the movie when he just like takes 1520 01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:02.639 on one v. Fifteen pretty much wins right in this 1521 01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:04.519 situation when he tries to one v one one the 1522 01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:07.119 giants does not go his way. So that's why it's like, Okay, 1523 01:07:07.159 --> 01:07:09.280 this guy who's supposed to be, you know, after maybe 1524 01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:11.639 Achilles is dead, one of the best generals out there 1525 01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:13.800 war guys, and he's taking on all of these giants 1526 01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:15.559 one on one and it's not going well. I think 1527 01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:17.480 they're right to get the fuck out because I like 1528 01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:20.280 Kirk and Sid's like, okay, sure, and eventually run out 1529 01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:22.599 of arrows. There's not like I think they would have 1530 01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:24.239 firing arrows. 1531 01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:25.960 It looked like though, So I mean I feel like 1532 01:07:25.960 --> 01:07:27.639 if you have a few guys in those boats fire 1533 01:07:27.639 --> 01:07:30.039 and arrows, you're gonna they're not gonna take out a 1534 01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:30.400 few of them. 1535 01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:35.039 How many people fire arrows like Odysseus. Yeah, And also 1536 01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:37.599 just like I feel like you're underestimating Taylor, Like the 1537 01:07:37.679 --> 01:07:41.719 mental damage that this moment happens, Like like you're you're starving, 1538 01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:45.119 You're you've been on the waters for who knows how long, 1539 01:07:45.159 --> 01:07:48.800 and you just see these fucking eleven foot plate cladded 1540 01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:51.679 men that just come in. They're moving the trees, They're 1541 01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:55.039 fucking up all your friends. Like I wouldn't even be 1542 01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:57.880 able to draw a bow let alone, like like, just 1543 01:07:57.960 --> 01:08:00.119 take on these fucking giants, I would be right. And 1544 01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:03.159 like the wind bulls eye, and and also like the 1545 01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:05.960 fear in their eyes when this is like, yeah, just 1546 01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:07.920 just circle the island. We're gonna find a spot that 1547 01:08:07.960 --> 01:08:10.320 we can let the Like, are you fucking kid? What 1548 01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:12.559 if they have boats? What if they have boats that 1549 01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:15.760 they come after us? Like like the fear in their hearts? 1550 01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:18.920 I think that's totally warranted. That's after what happened. 1551 01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:23.279 That's why with UH, Like before they go to the UH, 1552 01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:26.600 Circe's little island there when they docked, they're like, we're 1553 01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:28.359 going in the morning. We're not like they've been through 1554 01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:31.640 so much in that twenty four hours and there it's 1555 01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:33.600 because Hana's just done to the other guy. It's all saying. 1556 01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:35.319 David sees him and he's kind of like, oh what 1557 01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:36.960 what And then obviously they're talking about mutiny at that 1558 01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:39.479 point right still, but he can get the vibe when 1559 01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:41.600 he's like, no, we're going in the morning. He's like, yeah, yeah, 1560 01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:43.439 the morning. But Day wants to go now, he wants 1561 01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:45.000 you to go, and he wants to but he's like, yeah, 1562 01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:47.760 we we best just like anchor here and hope for 1563 01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:50.800 the best. And obviously another shit situation where they just 1564 01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:53.439 get turned into pigs, you know. So it's it's and 1565 01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:59.520 then like it's literally cyclops, the giants, pigs, hades and 1566 01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:01.920 then the well they get a break because they go 1567 01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:02.319 on that eye. 1568 01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:05.520 A lot going on in that water sequence afterwards. 1569 01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:08.039 Oh right, yeah, and they get they get eighten right. 1570 01:09:08.439 --> 01:09:10.079 By the thing is if they take a certain path, 1571 01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:12.880 there's only six that dies. I did like that sequence. 1572 01:09:12.920 --> 01:09:14.840 I thought that sequence to me was going to be 1573 01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:17.720 potentially the best one. And I feel like out of 1574 01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:21.000 all the situations they did as maybe the rank the lowest, 1575 01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:23.760 which one like the sea or herman has a certain name. 1576 01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:25.560 But with all the heads that was pulling them out 1577 01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:27.800 of the boat, and it was the thing where after 1578 01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:31.239 the world. Yeah yeah, like right at that whirlpool when 1579 01:09:31.239 --> 01:09:33.199 they that was the thing where if they take a turn, 1580 01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:35.960 Odysseus new like only six would die versus all of them. 1581 01:09:36.199 --> 01:09:37.720 I thought the sequence was gonna be like a bit 1582 01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:40.039 more intense. It was still like great, but I thought 1583 01:09:40.039 --> 01:09:42.399 it would be more similar to the Cyclops because I 1584 01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:44.720 feel like I feel like that's what I've seen the 1585 01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:47.760 most in the honesty for artists always like the boat 1586 01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:50.840 and like the sea creature over the boat and everything. 1587 01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:52.520 So I think they're trying their best to also like 1588 01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:54.960 not go to cgi heavy. So I feel like that's 1589 01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:56.800 why they they did that, because I think no one 1590 01:09:56.840 --> 01:09:58.520 didn't want to like have that going on. And then 1591 01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:00.840 right after that is when to get to that island 1592 01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:03.279 for a little bit, and then they're waiting and then 1593 01:10:03.319 --> 01:10:05.760 of course like hey we can go there. You just 1594 01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:07.680 can't eat the meat. Now we're not gonna eat mean, okay, 1595 01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:09.960 swear you do what I mean you're not gonna eat it? Yeah, sure, 1596 01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:11.800 And then you know, a couple of nights later, he 1597 01:10:11.840 --> 01:10:14.520 wakes up. They're all hunkered down in a hole somewhere. 1598 01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:16.960 They eat the meat. And then that to me another sequens, 1599 01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:19.479 this boat sequence that felt like a horror movie them 1600 01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:21.720 on there. There was just that one shot of I 1601 01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:23.119 don't know what it is. I'm not a boat guy, 1602 01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:26.399 but it's like it's like the big wood thing is 1603 01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:28.039 all the way up the sky and it's just like 1604 01:10:28.119 --> 01:10:31.920 shoot the mask and it's the sail is gone and 1605 01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:34.960 it's just a shot of the sky, lightning, rain and 1606 01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:36.800 just the mass and that's what it is. It just 1607 01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:39.359 like that for ten seconds, but horrifying with the sound 1608 01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:41.479 mix and everything going on. And then they're cutting these 1609 01:10:41.479 --> 01:10:44.319 guys fighting for their lies. Their legs are getting broken 1610 01:10:44.399 --> 01:10:46.600 just by the pure power. And then that boat cracks 1611 01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:49.800 that one And talk about a loud sequence, which in 1612 01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:52.079 a good way, that was a loud sequence I could feel. 1613 01:10:52.159 --> 01:10:54.600 So again another Secrets, I absolutely loved here. 1614 01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:56.960 So yeah, extremely overwhelming. 1615 01:10:57.159 --> 01:10:58.079 That sequence was. 1616 01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:04.960 Yeah, I couldn't I couldn't imagine. So let's sake, yeah, uh, 1617 01:11:05.039 --> 01:11:06.680 let's take a good I break and we'll be right 1618 01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:09.880 back and we're back. As I mentioned, we did re 1619 01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:12.680 release the retrospecta for Christopher no Holme. But if you going, hey, 1620 01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:14.399 those other retros that we've done that might not be 1621 01:11:14.439 --> 01:11:16.399 in the live feeds because they're years later. He's go 1622 01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:18.520 to Patron. 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I was gonna do 1642 01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:17.800 that and yeah, we very much appreciate that today where 1643 01:12:17.800 --> 01:12:19.920 if you want us to go longer, you join patroon 1644 01:12:20.079 --> 01:12:22.000 or send a super chat and we will go as 1645 01:12:22.039 --> 01:12:24.600 long as they keep coming in. Last year went over 1646 01:12:24.640 --> 01:12:27.199 four and a half hours and plans, so it should 1647 01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:27.880 be another good day. 1648 01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:30.239 It's uh, you know, we'll in the white lotus or 1649 01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:31.880 the lotus flower whatever it's called. 1650 01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:35.199 Oh yeah, yeah, give me more. She's like, can you 1651 01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:37.279 just loved it? You just kept eating it and eating it, 1652 01:12:37.319 --> 01:12:39.640 but yeah, what's your next? 1653 01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:42.640 Well, I want to just issue a quick shout out 1654 01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:47.399 to Hamish Patel who plays your your youroculus. 1655 01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:50.760 Maybe yeah, that sounds why I've just been saying that Realtel. 1656 01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:54.319 That's why I was like, I cannot get. 1657 01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:56.560 It's a tricky one. But no, I thought he did great. 1658 01:12:56.600 --> 01:12:58.319 I mean I was I think he had more screen 1659 01:12:58.319 --> 01:13:00.960 time than Tom Holland in this He's He's in it 1660 01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:03.079 a lot, and you know, I think for the crew, 1661 01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:06.039 like Travis you mentioned this earlier, that heus kind of 1662 01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:08.880 has to put up like that stoic faced a lot 1663 01:13:08.920 --> 01:13:10.479 of time, and he obviously does have a ton of 1664 01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:13.119 emotional sequences as well, usually when he's kind of away 1665 01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:14.680 from the crew, but we do get a lot of 1666 01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:17.319 these tribulations and stuff, and I feel like in those moments. 1667 01:13:17.239 --> 01:13:18.359 He is pretty stoked. 1668 01:13:18.399 --> 01:13:20.079 He's trying to keep on a strong face, and I 1669 01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:22.279 feel like that is kind of the one character of 1670 01:13:22.319 --> 01:13:25.119 the crew. He's kind of representing the emotions of everyone. 1671 01:13:25.159 --> 01:13:27.640 And obviously when like they have the mutiny moment, like 1672 01:13:27.680 --> 01:13:29.880 he's kind of the mouthpiece for that. 1673 01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:31.199 And I also think he's. 1674 01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:33.680 The one who's emoting through a lot of the things 1675 01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:36.520 and the reactions to Odysseus and kind of being pissed 1676 01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:40.560 off or just uh, I don't know, exhausted, all sorts 1677 01:13:40.600 --> 01:13:42.319 of different things. I feel like he did a really 1678 01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:45.119 really great job in this, in this role that I 1679 01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:47.880 maybe wasn't expecting, but I think you kind of need. 1680 01:13:48.199 --> 01:13:50.079 That's a big crew and some of the people get 1681 01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:52.039 like a couple of little moments here or there, but 1682 01:13:52.119 --> 01:13:53.840 really he's the kind of only one of the crew 1683 01:13:53.920 --> 01:13:56.279 that I'll probably remember like a month from now, you know. 1684 01:13:56.640 --> 01:13:58.520 And I think he did a really great job. So 1685 01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:00.279 someone who doesn't have like an arc of his own, 1686 01:14:00.279 --> 01:14:02.760 he's kind of just a guy. But I I thought 1687 01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:04.600 he did a really great job in this movie, so 1688 01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:07.239 shouted him. 1689 01:14:07.479 --> 01:14:11.760 Yeah, No, he was good. It felt like, although he's 1690 01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:14.520 like a bit of a thorn in the side of 1691 01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:18.159 Odysseus at times, I feel like they executed in a 1692 01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:21.479 way that like felt very natural though, right, Like Odysseus 1693 01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:27.279 is doing some some pretty uh skeptical calls for someone 1694 01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:29.760 like that, Like they are just wanting to get home. 1695 01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:33.760 They're so hungry, they're so they're so just yeah, exhausted. 1696 01:14:33.800 --> 01:14:37.039 They literally went through this terrif like terrifying siege of Troy, 1697 01:14:37.079 --> 01:14:38.800 they just barely made it through, and now they're just 1698 01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:43.359 one terrifying event after the other, and it's like, Okay, yeah, 1699 01:14:43.399 --> 01:14:45.520 we we we maybe need to do something about this 1700 01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:48.159 leader that's just taken us on this this wild goose chase. 1701 01:14:48.159 --> 01:14:51.800 And yeah, like I couldn't really blame him, honestly, when 1702 01:14:52.039 --> 01:14:55.039 Disseus is like sail right into the mailstrom. We're gonna 1703 01:14:55.079 --> 01:14:57.039 we're gonna be able to just just just grind that 1704 01:14:57.359 --> 01:15:01.319 psychology though, right, yeah, no, I totally works. You're You're 1705 01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:06.279 totally right, Taylor. He is the just master strategists of Odysseus. 1706 01:15:06.319 --> 01:15:10.359 But still like from their perspective, this guy especially, they're 1707 01:15:10.439 --> 01:15:14.159 totally massive belief in their Greek gods at the time, 1708 01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:18.479 Like this guy is like, uh, disrespecting the gods right, 1709 01:15:18.520 --> 01:15:21.880 all these things, and like, yeah, he's probably the reason 1710 01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:24.239 why there is maelstroms popping up there. He probably is 1711 01:15:24.279 --> 01:15:26.279 the reason why we're lost. He probably is the reason 1712 01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:28.479 why we keep getting these terrible storms. 1713 01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:32.279 Listening to the sirens singing is orgasming on the mask 1714 01:15:32.439 --> 01:15:33.039 and that. 1715 01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:36.000 I actually laughed out loud in that scene because he's 1716 01:15:36.079 --> 01:15:38.960 just like so fucking giddy, like this is his biggest 1717 01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:41.159 kink in the world, like like time me up, time 1718 01:15:41.159 --> 01:15:43.039 me up, time up to the mask, like like are 1719 01:15:43.079 --> 01:15:45.239 you gonna use the wax too? It's like no, no, 1720 01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:47.239 nobody else has heard it before. I can't wait to 1721 01:15:47.239 --> 01:15:50.079 be the only one. And then the first like later on, 1722 01:15:50.199 --> 01:15:51.920 you know he's in pain, but when they first show 1723 01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:54.960 it to him. I swear to god, it's like pleasure 1724 01:15:55.079 --> 01:15:58.680 sex faces that he's making, like like he's just after 1725 01:15:58.800 --> 01:16:03.039 for sure. I was just laughing so hard about again, 1726 01:16:03.119 --> 01:16:06.399 like like I feel like that scene was happening fast too, 1727 01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:08.560 Like it's like, Okay, they get to the sirens and 1728 01:16:08.600 --> 01:16:10.960 it's like right away like time. Oh my god, I 1729 01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:12.960 can't I can't wait to hear them. It was. It 1730 01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:14.159 was a little bit goofy for me. 1731 01:16:14.439 --> 01:16:14.560 Uh. 1732 01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:16.640 And then the one guy, you know, he was curious 1733 01:16:16.640 --> 01:16:20.399 and you pop the wax out and he jumped to 1734 01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:23.960 his death. He was breaststroking right to the sirens. Wonder 1735 01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:25.640 whatever wrapped on that guy. Maybe he had a happy 1736 01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:26.600 end life. 1737 01:16:26.640 --> 01:16:28.479 You don't die on screen, so I mean he's still 1738 01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:29.279 a live technically. 1739 01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:31.560 Yeah, came back for part two. 1740 01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:33.920 Yeah, he became the King of the Sirens. You know, 1741 01:16:35.159 --> 01:16:37.319 he just like Tom Holans the King now and he 1742 01:16:37.359 --> 01:16:40.359 just sees like the sirens carrying this guy. I'm back, 1743 01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:45.359 you know. Naw, he's he's gone, he's he's he's dead 1744 01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:52.560 as a disco. So yeah, any sequences or should we 1745 01:16:52.600 --> 01:16:56.079 talk about specific actors, performances, et cetera. 1746 01:16:58.119 --> 01:16:59.960 When the boys are all in that horse I mean 1747 01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:02.640 just drowned in the bottom. They got the little like 1748 01:17:02.680 --> 01:17:05.399 the straw like breathe out of the water. Like, what 1749 01:17:05.439 --> 01:17:07.319 a fucking perspective that was. 1750 01:17:08.079 --> 01:17:11.840 I never thought of that event being that fucked up 1751 01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:15.119 and horrible until like this movie, like like just the 1752 01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:18.640 thought of them, like you gotta just wait for Troy 1753 01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:21.840 to come collect it right when the tide comes in. 1754 01:17:22.359 --> 01:17:25.960 They're drowning, guarantee at the bottom. It's just filled with shitting, 1755 01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:29.960 pissed too. They said that drowning. Yeah, like it's it's 1756 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:33.079 such a horrifying like kind of surprised that they even 1757 01:17:33.119 --> 01:17:36.880 had strength to really take Troy from the inside. Matt 1758 01:17:36.920 --> 01:17:38.760 dam did a good job and kind of you know, 1759 01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:40.399 we first got on the horse, his knees like a 1760 01:17:40.439 --> 01:17:42.520 little stiff, Like how can you not you're just standing 1761 01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:46.039 there for days? But uh yeah, that was That was 1762 01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:48.359 honestly so claustrophobic, and that's what. 1763 01:17:48.359 --> 01:17:50.039 I grew up thinking it was. You know, the total 1764 01:17:50.119 --> 01:17:53.239 fuckers on wheels. Easy. They got toilets in there. It's easy. 1765 01:17:53.479 --> 01:17:55.479 I think most of the time it is because no 1766 01:17:55.560 --> 01:17:58.039 one talked about he had this idea. 1767 01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:01.880 They're getting there. Fucking Instagram feeds in there. 1768 01:18:02.600 --> 01:18:05.399 Speaking of the Brad Pitt Troy movie, Nolan was originally 1769 01:18:05.399 --> 01:18:07.880 supposed to direct that movie, and he said he had 1770 01:18:07.880 --> 01:18:11.279 this idea for the Trojan Horse back then because he 1771 01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:13.159 wanted to do something different and he didn't get to 1772 01:18:13.159 --> 01:18:15.600 do it because the guy at the time, Wolfkin Pearson, 1773 01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:18.000 was making a Batman for a Superman movie. It fell through. 1774 01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:21.079 It's like, ah, we'll give you Troy. He got Troy, 1775 01:18:21.119 --> 01:18:22.800 and then they went to Nolan and said, hey, do 1776 01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:24.760 you want to do anything with Batman? And then it's 1777 01:18:24.760 --> 01:18:27.199 funny that he did Batman. Then years later he gets this, 1778 01:18:27.319 --> 01:18:29.239 but this was he said he had this idea back 1779 01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:31.720 in like the early aughts of them with because most 1780 01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:35.840 time the horse is not ready and no and Budgetarry 1781 01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:37.720 wise would not have been ready either. But like the 1782 01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:41.039 horses usually, I believe always, just like on the sand upright, 1783 01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:43.760 he had the idea of like what if it's submerged 1784 01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:46.640 in the water, kind of like off kilter and everything. 1785 01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:50.000 So yeah, great, great seque was all right, and again 1786 01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:52.279 they are weaker, but there their whole thing is they 1787 01:18:52.319 --> 01:18:54.720 just gotta be sneaky and open the gate, right, So 1788 01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:56.079 it's not like they got to take it over because 1789 01:18:56.079 --> 01:18:58.600 even when we were watching Troy, me and him, I'm like, right, 1790 01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:00.760 how does this go again? It's well, right because they 1791 01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:02.760 got to do this, and which is a good moment 1792 01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:05.520 too with when they're talking about the bow, right and 1793 01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:08.600 he strings it before he kills that pig or it's 1794 01:19:08.640 --> 01:19:12.279 not pig, what is it the wordthog? Right, yeah, and 1795 01:19:12.319 --> 01:19:14.920 they go, oh, well, well why do you do that? 1796 01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:17.039 And he talks about hunting versus killing. It's like, well, 1797 01:19:17.119 --> 01:19:19.880 hunting is still killing, it's just doing it quietly. So 1798 01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:21.279 it's kind of great. Then when you get to see 1799 01:19:21.279 --> 01:19:24.000 the full you know, battle Troy two hours later, that's 1800 01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:26.840 what he's doing. He's doing the hunting yet is killing. 1801 01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:29.960 And I love that. We got three bow sequences here. 1802 01:19:30.039 --> 01:19:34.239 There was the first one was I believe now I'm 1803 01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:36.479 already forgetting the second one. Oh yeah. The first one 1804 01:19:36.520 --> 01:19:38.680 was a Troy here when they open up the gates 1805 01:19:38.680 --> 01:19:40.399 and it was him just taking all these guys. Super 1806 01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:43.319 intense scene. That's where again I can't I'm completely fine 1807 01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:45.760 with Christopher Nolan's action. Is it John Wick stuff? No, 1808 01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:48.720 But the intensity, how it shot, the quick cuts everything, 1809 01:19:48.760 --> 01:19:50.680 I'm down with that. But you get the boat scene 1810 01:19:50.720 --> 01:19:52.479 there you get the bow scene at the Giants again 1811 01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:55.119 when he's trying to save people. He does save Famous Pattel, 1812 01:19:55.439 --> 01:19:57.239 and then he hit the bow scene again with him 1813 01:19:57.319 --> 01:19:59.680 taking on all the suitors. So it's almost like an 1814 01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:02.640 each We got a segment where Matt Damon is facing 1815 01:20:02.640 --> 01:20:05.079 down a bunch of people with a bow and uh, 1816 01:20:05.119 --> 01:20:07.920 he survives it all somehow, you know. But yeah, great, 1817 01:20:08.039 --> 01:20:11.399 great intense sequence. And it was like they sprinkled the 1818 01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:14.319 Trojan Horse throughout that movie a lot, and it it works. 1819 01:20:14.319 --> 01:20:16.319 So even when when you got to the ending and 1820 01:20:16.359 --> 01:20:19.079 they showed the full thing, it's still hit and powerful 1821 01:20:19.119 --> 01:20:20.880 and just that it's not a wonder but just the 1822 01:20:20.880 --> 01:20:23.640 sequence of Damon just walk around seeing just all these 1823 01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:27.039 innocents people slaughtered, realizing of like, oh, I'm not on 1824 01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:29.479 the right side on this at all. Like, you know, 1825 01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:31.800 he had good motivations to go. He was worried for 1826 01:20:31.800 --> 01:20:34.920 his son's life. But still it's like at what costs maybe, 1827 01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:36.880 and hey, Hathaway is right and they just should have 1828 01:20:36.920 --> 01:20:39.319 fucking skipped down, you know, and got out of there. 1829 01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:42.720 But when Burnhalt was describing that story to Tom Holland 1830 01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:47.279 and just the perspective of being inside again. You got 1831 01:20:47.359 --> 01:20:49.079 the ship and all the starving and all that kind 1832 01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:50.640 of stuff, but just that the sequence when they were 1833 01:20:50.680 --> 01:20:54.520 dragging it into Troy and then you've got this, like 1834 01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:57.000 the sword come down. I'm thinking, like, these guys are 1835 01:20:57.000 --> 01:20:59.520 standing like, kneel down, kneel the fuck down. They're standing 1836 01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:01.800 way too high up against the ceiling, and sure enough, 1837 01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:04.359 Buddy just gets it right into his spine. And then 1838 01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:06.680 as soon as like that happens, they cover his mouth 1839 01:21:06.960 --> 01:21:08.960 and the sword's a belt to go up, but Buddy 1840 01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:11.880 puts his hands on it and like slides the blood off. 1841 01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:16.720 That was amazing response time. He saved all the boys. 1842 01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:20.359 Oh yeah, could you imagine that they just you pull 1843 01:21:20.439 --> 01:21:22.840 this bloody blade out of the horse, you know, it 1844 01:21:22.880 --> 01:21:24.319 would have been over for you. He had that one 1845 01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:29.159 guy trying to escape too, which like half you're just 1846 01:21:29.199 --> 01:21:31.039 gonna go out there and get slaughtered. I guess maybe 1847 01:21:31.039 --> 01:21:33.039 he's hoping that if he was like to be the 1848 01:21:33.079 --> 01:21:34.920 one to tell them everyone's in there. But nah, man, 1849 01:21:34.920 --> 01:21:37.399 they're just gonna tear you to pieces. Like you're you're 1850 01:21:37.439 --> 01:21:39.880 committed the second year in the horse, you gotta be committed. 1851 01:21:40.119 --> 01:21:40.239 You know. 1852 01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:42.479 It's funny too, because they like they hold him down 1853 01:21:42.479 --> 01:21:44.279 and he's like I'm good, I'm good, I'm good, and 1854 01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:45.239 then they. 1855 01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:47.359 Like he tries again. He tries like one more time, 1856 01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:49.640 like a little one, but he still tries like push forward, 1857 01:21:49.680 --> 01:21:52.279 like no, buddy, like you're in here, and yeah, I 1858 01:21:52.319 --> 01:21:53.359 couldn't do that way too clear. 1859 01:21:54.399 --> 01:21:55.680 Yeah, I feel like the people that are in the 1860 01:21:55.720 --> 01:21:57.760 Horse should be the most loyal to this plan, and 1861 01:21:57.800 --> 01:21:59.479 this guy's yeah, ready to fucking jump ship. 1862 01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:02.079 I guess it's just because you, like, I guess the 1863 01:22:02.079 --> 01:22:05.039 difference from again the pitch of the plan to hearing 1864 01:22:05.079 --> 01:22:07.119 the plan and you being dragon just knowing like, oh, 1865 01:22:07.119 --> 01:22:09.840 if they find us, we are we're done for, Like 1866 01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:13.039 there's nothing they can do. But no, they they take 1867 01:22:13.079 --> 01:22:15.720 down Troy that way and get everybody in and uh, 1868 01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:17.560 the rest is unfortunate history. 1869 01:22:17.640 --> 01:22:19.399 So that was a cool scene when they get to 1870 01:22:19.439 --> 01:22:21.479 the top and he drops that torch and you see 1871 01:22:21.479 --> 01:22:27.560 the fucking army just against the wall quietly. It's like, fuck, yeah. 1872 01:22:26.640 --> 01:22:29.239 I was really surprised, honestly, with how much Troy stuff 1873 01:22:29.279 --> 01:22:31.159 was in here, Like it makes sense because this is 1874 01:22:31.279 --> 01:22:33.239 obviously following the events of Troy, and if you don't 1875 01:22:33.279 --> 01:22:35.199 know anything about that, like, I feel like they have 1876 01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:37.600 to kind of touch upon that obviously by the end, 1877 01:22:37.640 --> 01:22:40.359 it's a very integral piece to the story of just 1878 01:22:40.399 --> 01:22:44.279 like this PTSD that he's feeling and just yeah, like 1879 01:22:44.359 --> 01:22:49.279 all these like innocent people in Troy were murdered, like 1880 01:22:49.399 --> 01:22:50.800 ripped out of their homes in the middle of the 1881 01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:53.119 night because of Odysseus. So it totally makes sense that 1882 01:22:53.119 --> 01:22:55.000 they would show all that stuff. But yeah, I don't 1883 01:22:55.000 --> 01:22:58.760 know just going into it. I obviously saw the Trojan 1884 01:22:58.800 --> 01:23:01.680 horse imagery all for the marketing. I knew that'd be 1885 01:23:01.720 --> 01:23:04.439 touched upon, But to actually see the siege of Troy, 1886 01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:08.600 I thought that was a nice addition because I just 1887 01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:10.640 wasn't expecting and I thought it was great. We already 1888 01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:12.640 talked about the scene when they fucking opened the gates 1889 01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:16.159 and you have Benny Safti looking like Darth Vader. Yeah, 1890 01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:19.880 Max Aura until he spoke, I completely agree with Travis 1891 01:23:20.560 --> 01:23:24.199 in the same boat. Uh. He looked so good though, 1892 01:23:24.279 --> 01:23:27.039 like in that armor, like with his like curly black hair. 1893 01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:28.880 I'm like, man, like holy. 1894 01:23:28.680 --> 01:23:31.039 He could see his face. He just saw like this 1895 01:23:31.119 --> 01:23:31.479 guy a. 1896 01:23:31.600 --> 01:23:33.760 Main villain roll somewhere like I don't I don't care 1897 01:23:33.800 --> 01:23:35.439 what happens. And then he spoke and I'm like, okay, 1898 01:23:35.600 --> 01:23:38.439 never mind. He did get the main villain role in Super. 1899 01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:41.439 Mario and and in Happy Gilmore too. 1900 01:23:42.640 --> 01:23:48.720 Never saw it in Mario? Is he that junior? Okay? 1901 01:23:49.079 --> 01:23:51.880 I just like hugs Big Year for him every time 1902 01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:54.199 he sees He just gives them a nice, little gentle hug. 1903 01:23:54.239 --> 01:23:55.840 Oh but it feels like he'd break his neck at 1904 01:23:55.880 --> 01:23:56.319 any moment. 1905 01:23:56.359 --> 01:23:56.479 Though. 1906 01:23:56.520 --> 01:23:58.319 It's not like a warm hug. It's like you hugging 1907 01:23:58.319 --> 01:23:59.760 that relative. You're like, I don't really like you, but 1908 01:23:59.840 --> 01:24:02.600 it's a family reunion. But I didn't want to get 1909 01:24:02.640 --> 01:24:04.840 to your point though. Kirkland, The Trojan Horse is actually 1910 01:24:04.840 --> 01:24:07.479 the last Shawlesce movie of it on Fire. It's like 1911 01:24:07.479 --> 01:24:09.119 it's all the marketing, but that's the last Shaw This 1912 01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:13.520 movie is the Horse on Fire. Yeah, so, and it's 1913 01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:15.600 a big thing. It's pretty much like if, like you, 1914 01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:18.920 if you made a Star Wars movie but you didn't 1915 01:24:18.920 --> 01:24:20.680 make New Hope, you still would have to talk about 1916 01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:22.399 like the Death Star blowing up, and that's like what 1917 01:24:22.439 --> 01:24:24.439 this is where it's like, well, we gotta we gotta show. 1918 01:24:24.479 --> 01:24:26.399 I just didn't I thought it was gonna be almost 1919 01:24:26.439 --> 01:24:28.359 like not a one and done. But I didn't think 1920 01:24:28.359 --> 01:24:30.199 it would be sprinkled throughout. I thought we'd show it 1921 01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:33.760 and then they'd build upon that, not like it's so like, 1922 01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:36.079 this is how fucking good him and his team are. 1923 01:24:36.520 --> 01:24:38.439 We know what happened to Battle Troy the whole movie, 1924 01:24:38.439 --> 01:24:40.319 they talk about his PTSD and how they wanted it 1925 01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:43.319 to do. They use that as the big like other 1926 01:24:43.359 --> 01:24:47.399 than his Battle the Suitors, A big third act reveals that, oh, 1927 01:24:47.439 --> 01:24:48.880 they won the war and killed a lot of people. 1928 01:24:48.920 --> 01:24:50.920 It's like, yeah, we know this, but when you're watching 1929 01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:52.479 it doesn't feel like that feels like you're watching it 1930 01:24:52.479 --> 01:24:54.319 for the first time, Like, oh man, yeah, they did 1931 01:24:54.319 --> 01:24:55.800 do a lot of bad stuff here, you know, even 1932 01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:58.000 the Athena thing, like it's just a statue, but I 1933 01:24:58.000 --> 01:24:59.960 love the imagery of it's you know, it's in day 1934 01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:03.159 being holed up and it's like a literal one. So yeah, 1935 01:25:03.319 --> 01:25:03.960 good stuff. 1936 01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:06.760 Yeah, And like the shots of Troy earlier on, I 1937 01:25:06.760 --> 01:25:10.199 feel like they aren't like negative on like you know, 1938 01:25:10.319 --> 01:25:12.279 it's just like, yeah, we conquered, we did it, we 1939 01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:14.640 won the battle, and like just when they talk about 1940 01:25:14.640 --> 01:25:18.199 it that really much is that like Odysseus was the 1941 01:25:18.199 --> 01:25:20.359 person that made all these men be able to go 1942 01:25:20.439 --> 01:25:23.119 home to their family, Like it's a very positive take. 1943 01:25:23.279 --> 01:25:25.720 And then by the end when he's actually boots on 1944 01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:28.399 the ground and he's just, oh, man, I fucked up. 1945 01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:29.479 I fucked up big time. 1946 01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:33.000 And plus because they only like insinuated a few times 1947 01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:34.800 in this but again, the Battle of Troy is like, 1948 01:25:35.119 --> 01:25:37.960 actually a battle that's not need. It's a battle out 1949 01:25:37.960 --> 01:25:40.000 of greed if someone wanting to control more stuff. It's 1950 01:25:40.039 --> 01:25:43.119 not like they've deemed wars on each other. So not 1951 01:25:43.199 --> 01:25:45.199 only are you killing all those innocent people, this war 1952 01:25:45.239 --> 01:25:47.640 didn't actually really have to happen, So it's like a 1953 01:25:47.680 --> 01:25:51.039 double negative for Odysseus. But then he gave them the 1954 01:25:51.039 --> 01:25:53.399 the I don't know, the winning play with the horse. 1955 01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:56.840 So beautiful craftsmanship. 1956 01:25:57.359 --> 01:26:01.199 It's good, like a horse, almost too good. 1957 01:26:03.279 --> 01:26:04.319 Yeah, put it. 1958 01:26:04.319 --> 01:26:07.239 It's like smooth, it's like three D printed. It's like, 1959 01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:10.800 you guys have some really great people working down there. 1960 01:26:10.840 --> 01:26:11.439 But it's fine. 1961 01:26:11.479 --> 01:26:12.960 I mean the ship's looking great too. 1962 01:26:13.079 --> 01:26:14.800 Yeah. 1963 01:26:13.399 --> 01:26:18.319 Yeah, the wood the carpenters are unbelievable in this society. 1964 01:26:18.359 --> 01:26:22.279 Absolutely how long ago that was, Uh didn't talk about 1965 01:26:22.319 --> 01:26:25.840 my boy all cast pretty much, but fuck boys. Tom Holland, 1966 01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:29.880 for me, he is my standout in this I I particular, 1967 01:26:31.079 --> 01:26:34.079 I think there's like three scenes that will really shout out. 1968 01:26:34.560 --> 01:26:36.840 I thought all of his scenes were really good at first. 1969 01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:39.640 He just comes across of like, you know, the youthful 1970 01:26:39.800 --> 01:26:42.159 like Odysseus's son. He's just he just wants to know 1971 01:26:42.159 --> 01:26:44.439 what happened to his dad. He he he comes from 1972 01:26:44.479 --> 01:26:48.000 a place of privilege, but like very powerless in this dynamic. 1973 01:26:48.680 --> 01:26:50.880 What a terrible situation too. You just have your mom 1974 01:26:50.920 --> 01:26:52.960 over there, who's like not even really talking to you, 1975 01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:55.359 and you just have these fucking gross suitors trying to 1976 01:26:55.399 --> 01:26:59.159 just just just sww your mom over and get basically 1977 01:26:59.199 --> 01:27:01.279 sitting in your dad's position. Like it's just such a 1978 01:27:01.880 --> 01:27:05.159 I think I feel like painful position. But like I 1979 01:27:05.239 --> 01:27:08.119 was surprised with like how intelligent like of a character 1980 01:27:08.159 --> 01:27:10.199 he actually is, Like like the scenes when he's when 1981 01:27:10.199 --> 01:27:13.079 he's talking, like strategy of like what he wants to 1982 01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:16.199 do when he's talking, Like especially with John Bernhal, like 1983 01:27:16.239 --> 01:27:18.399 the mental la of scenes. I really like all that 1984 01:27:18.439 --> 01:27:20.600 back and forth at the end when he comes back 1985 01:27:20.640 --> 01:27:23.920 and he's seeing Odysseus, he I guess doesn't really know 1986 01:27:24.319 --> 01:27:26.399 that he is Odysseus at this point in time. I'm 1987 01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:29.520 sure he has some suspicions, but still he's like talking 1988 01:27:29.560 --> 01:27:35.960 about this plan to Penelope and like like I feel 1989 01:27:35.960 --> 01:27:38.399 like I would have expected him to be very giddy 1990 01:27:38.479 --> 01:27:40.680 of this, like, yeah, this guy knows Odysseus and like 1991 01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:43.079 really break the news to her that like he has 1992 01:27:43.079 --> 01:27:46.520 a lot but like he he's totally keeping it composed. 1993 01:27:47.319 --> 01:27:49.439 And Hathaway is killing it in that scene too. She's 1994 01:27:49.439 --> 01:27:51.720 showing a lot of emotion, and I feel like he's 1995 01:27:51.720 --> 01:27:55.920 showing just a lot of like control, like like he's 1996 01:27:55.920 --> 01:28:00.359 controlling his emotions in here. He's very uh, I don't 1997 01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:02.560 know if confident in the plan, but like he he's 1998 01:28:02.640 --> 01:28:04.439 going with the plan and this is what we have 1999 01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:07.359 to like the belief there. And like when he shows 2000 01:28:07.479 --> 01:28:11.239 up to like the Ithaca capital capital like the palace, 2001 01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:13.800 and he and he does what Odyssey has told him 2002 01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:15.880 to do. He's walking there like a princey of gifts, 2003 01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:18.359 Like he's well dressed, like he just has this charisma 2004 01:28:18.399 --> 01:28:20.000 when he enters the room, and it seems like a 2005 01:28:20.039 --> 01:28:24.000 guy that really went through a specific uh change, I 2006 01:28:24.039 --> 01:28:25.720 think from the time that he left because he is 2007 01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:28.359 just kind of defeated. I think, like, like when he 2008 01:28:28.359 --> 01:28:31.640 does leave Ithica, he's fleeing Ithaca right at that time, Uh, 2009 01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:33.920 he knows that that the suitors are after him. They 2010 01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:38.079 could kill him at any point. Penelope mentions that to him, 2011 01:28:38.119 --> 01:28:39.840 But yeah, I don't know. It was also just a 2012 01:28:39.840 --> 01:28:42.239 different performance than what I've seen in the past. Like 2013 01:28:42.279 --> 01:28:44.039 I said, I love him as my Peter Parker, I 2014 01:28:44.039 --> 01:28:46.399 love him as Spider Man, but this was just Okay. 2015 01:28:46.439 --> 01:28:48.600 I definitely want to see Tom Holland more in uh 2016 01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:52.479 in in in more movies and projects, and keep with Nolan, 2017 01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:55.880 like I obviously obviously it worked with this pairing here. 2018 01:28:55.960 --> 01:28:58.680 I'm sure Nolan can make you know, even even the 2019 01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:01.119 actor that played the Hunter really really shine on screen. 2020 01:29:01.159 --> 01:29:04.319 But uh yeah, I thought Tom All was a big 2021 01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:06.119 stand for me because I think also I just had 2022 01:29:06.159 --> 01:29:12.760 low expectations for whatever reasons. But yeah, hope you guys, 2023 01:29:12.920 --> 01:29:13.720 I yeah, I was. 2024 01:29:13.800 --> 01:29:14.800 I was. Uh. 2025 01:29:15.560 --> 01:29:17.119 I feel like it seems like all you guys are 2026 01:29:17.119 --> 01:29:19.279 pretty hot on him. I feel like I'm more neutral 2027 01:29:19.399 --> 01:29:21.399 him actually, not that I think he's bad or anym 2028 01:29:21.399 --> 01:29:23.119 but I think I was just I went into this 2029 01:29:23.279 --> 01:29:26.439 expecting him to be the star of this, I think, 2030 01:29:26.479 --> 01:29:28.640 And so maybe I was surprised that well he like 2031 01:29:28.920 --> 01:29:32.199 pales and screen time compared to Matt Damon and really 2032 01:29:32.199 --> 01:29:33.720 doesn't feel like the star in a lot of ways. 2033 01:29:33.760 --> 01:29:36.199 But I feel like for me, the I was standing 2034 01:29:36.359 --> 01:29:41.439 performances were elsewhere. Like I'm curious, what was like the 2035 01:29:41.439 --> 01:29:43.439 scene or two that stuck out the most for you 2036 01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:45.920 in terms of like just his performance. But I feel 2037 01:29:45.960 --> 01:29:48.720 like I was much more blown away by Anne Hathaway, 2038 01:29:48.760 --> 01:29:50.520 who I don't think I've really seen anything recently, so 2039 01:29:50.560 --> 01:29:52.880 maybe that's part of it too, but she just freaking 2040 01:29:52.920 --> 01:29:55.800 brought it. Pattison. I fucking love Pattison in this movie. 2041 01:29:55.840 --> 01:29:58.720 He is just so good at playing this skivy kind 2042 01:29:58.720 --> 01:30:02.079 of character. And yeah, so many other like smaller performances 2043 01:30:02.079 --> 01:30:03.680 that really kind of stood out to me, like even 2044 01:30:03.880 --> 01:30:06.079 Hamish Mattel I think really surprised me and did a 2045 01:30:06.079 --> 01:30:08.159 really great job here. But yeah, I don't know, I 2046 01:30:08.359 --> 01:30:10.119 think Tom All for me, he was like he's obviously 2047 01:30:10.119 --> 01:30:12.239 a great actor, he did a good job here, but 2048 01:30:12.439 --> 01:30:14.319 wasn't really a standout, Like I don't even know if 2049 01:30:14.359 --> 01:30:18.119 I would fight for this guy in gold Geeks controversially, 2050 01:30:18.199 --> 01:30:20.479 So see I mean I'll probably do on the outs 2051 01:30:20.479 --> 01:30:22.319 of that sounds like he'll get his votes, but I'm 2052 01:30:22.359 --> 01:30:24.439 just saying like I don't know, but I yeah, like 2053 01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:26.800 what was was there like one scene in particular that 2054 01:30:26.840 --> 01:30:28.520 he think he really just freaking brought it. 2055 01:30:29.840 --> 01:30:33.600 The Penelope scene for sure, when he's inspired to talking 2056 01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:35.920 to menelais at the at the table and he's just 2057 01:30:35.960 --> 01:30:39.079 like telling him it was a trailer scene. So I 2058 01:30:39.119 --> 01:30:41.119 had seen it before, but still like seeing it on 2059 01:30:41.159 --> 01:30:43.960 the big screen. Burnhal just doing his Burnhal things. 2060 01:30:44.319 --> 01:30:45.920 Yeah, I guess for me, and both those scenes, like 2061 01:30:45.960 --> 01:30:49.119 the person he's opposite, I'm much more pulled in by, 2062 01:30:49.159 --> 01:30:49.560 I guess. 2063 01:30:49.680 --> 01:30:51.880 And then the other one that this is when the 2064 01:30:51.920 --> 01:30:54.640 water works coming out for me, this this poor fucking 2065 01:30:54.840 --> 01:30:56.880 dog that just wants to see Odyssy has come back 2066 01:30:56.960 --> 01:30:59.720 and he's just just sentenced to die on this pile 2067 01:30:59.760 --> 01:31:03.119 of shit. And like I'm already sensitive when dogs are 2068 01:31:03.199 --> 01:31:04.880 like you know, showing in movies. 2069 01:31:04.720 --> 01:31:07.279 Like though, but he's just throwing off the fucking cliff. 2070 01:31:07.760 --> 01:31:13.119 Hey that's the way, I guess, right, But yeah, like 2071 01:31:13.119 --> 01:31:15.600 like when he comes back there and obviously I'm like 2072 01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:17.840 almost getting choked up by this guy seeing his dog 2073 01:31:17.880 --> 01:31:20.720 finally the dog reaction. It was just I'm getting choked 2074 01:31:20.760 --> 01:31:26.239 I thinking about now, but specifically like Telemachus, like Tom 2075 01:31:26.279 --> 01:31:29.239 Holland's character, like he is realizing right now that this 2076 01:31:29.279 --> 01:31:31.760 guy is Odysseus actually, and like he's showing that emotion. 2077 01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:33.960 He doesn't really say anything in that scene, but I 2078 01:31:33.960 --> 01:31:37.119 think it was just like the way that he reacted. 2079 01:31:37.119 --> 01:31:40.199 You're him and he says that or something. 2080 01:31:40.319 --> 01:31:46.119 But I think I was just so like emotionally comprosed 2081 01:31:46.119 --> 01:31:48.760 by that point and just knowing that this is literally 2082 01:31:48.840 --> 01:31:51.039 like the end of Odyssy as well. I guess it's 2083 01:31:51.079 --> 01:31:53.359 not the end, but this is like he made it 2084 01:31:53.359 --> 01:31:55.239 back to Ithaca. He's finally about to go into the 2085 01:31:55.239 --> 01:31:57.960 throne room. They're doing this big trial to win Penelope's favorite. 2086 01:31:57.960 --> 01:31:59.800 Of course he's gonna be in there. Like it's just 2087 01:31:59.840 --> 01:32:02.960 like many factors. I think that was boosting that scene overall. 2088 01:32:03.039 --> 01:32:06.039 But Tom Holland definitely was a positive force for me 2089 01:32:06.079 --> 01:32:06.680 in that scene. 2090 01:32:06.880 --> 01:32:09.000 I mean, he for sure brings it for me. It's 2091 01:32:09.039 --> 01:32:14.960 the little the last little whimper from that dog. Oh amazing, 2092 01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:19.079 no acting dog acting wherever that sound effect came from 2093 01:32:19.439 --> 01:32:22.399 that like fa like final breath just that, but that 2094 01:32:22.520 --> 01:32:24.920 excitement that you can hear when it when a dog is. 2095 01:32:24.880 --> 01:32:28.319 Just like just popping off. My god. Yeah that that 2096 01:32:28.439 --> 01:32:29.079 sent me as well. 2097 01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:30.960 Ahead the waterworks are going on for sure. 2098 01:32:31.479 --> 01:32:33.119 Yeah that's bruttal. 2099 01:32:34.880 --> 01:32:37.760 Yeah, no, I thought I thought tall, I think what 2100 01:32:37.880 --> 01:32:40.920 I like. But Hollanies just did a good job at 2101 01:32:40.960 --> 01:32:47.119 the He was stoic but had a not him being 2102 01:32:47.119 --> 01:32:51.039 believable as his character, but he had an optimism about him. 2103 01:32:51.039 --> 01:32:53.199 But it wasn't like a in your face sort of like, oh, 2104 01:32:53.279 --> 01:32:55.279 my dad's gonna be coming back. Like it was just 2105 01:32:55.359 --> 01:32:57.159 like when he's tall on the boat, he's like, I'm 2106 01:32:57.159 --> 01:32:58.960 sure I can feel my bones, I can feel in 2107 01:32:59.000 --> 01:33:01.079 the sea like he's out there. I think he was 2108 01:33:01.119 --> 01:33:03.600 just a really good anchor. I did like that scene too, 2109 01:33:03.640 --> 01:33:07.279 when when Damon's pretend to be the beggar and he's 2110 01:33:07.359 --> 01:33:09.800 by Robert Passon and he's kind of getting beat up. 2111 01:33:10.039 --> 01:33:12.439 The anger you can seeing Tom Holme well enough, Yeah, 2112 01:33:12.560 --> 01:33:14.960 I like, oh, they're gonna, they're gonna And honestly, he 2113 01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:16.760 didn't know what his dad can actually do, right, but 2114 01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:19.359 so my dad's all grizzled and now he's like beating 2115 01:33:19.399 --> 01:33:21.520 them up and everything. So yeah, Hathaway was great. I 2116 01:33:21.560 --> 01:33:22.880 think we kind of knew because I feel like they 2117 01:33:23.359 --> 01:33:25.399 showed most of our best scenes in the trips or 2118 01:33:25.439 --> 01:33:27.760 like snippets of it. But she can always deliver when 2119 01:33:27.760 --> 01:33:29.680 you put in this. Her speeches were great with Tom. 2120 01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:34.039 But yeah, the Passing Man. He just such a good 2121 01:33:34.359 --> 01:33:36.760 slime ball, Like if you make a list of top 2122 01:33:36.800 --> 01:33:40.039 ten slime ball performances, this is there that whole Like, 2123 01:33:40.159 --> 01:33:41.960 first of all, just the origin of the character, right, 2124 01:33:42.159 --> 01:33:44.319 That's the only time I really laughed in the movie. 2125 01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:46.479 Was just like, oh, you know, some of us wanted 2126 01:33:46.479 --> 01:33:49.039 to go fighting Troy, but we were told to stay back, 2127 01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:51.359 and he dropped that out four times in this way. 2128 01:33:51.359 --> 01:33:53.600 I just like, any chance he yets, he's gonna lie 2129 01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:55.319 and say like he was chosen for the battle, he 2130 01:33:56.199 --> 01:33:58.640 volunteered to go, but I just said, no, you're not going. 2131 01:33:59.199 --> 01:34:01.279 But that's my I think my favorite scene of his 2132 01:34:01.600 --> 01:34:04.760 was the scene where he meets specifically with Anne Hathaway 2133 01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:07.439 alone in her quarters, and just the way he's like 2134 01:34:08.079 --> 01:34:10.399 he's still slimy, but then the way he's trying to 2135 01:34:10.680 --> 01:34:12.960 get appeased tour of like, oh, well, you've had this 2136 01:34:13.039 --> 01:34:15.319 bird for so long and you know what does it 2137 01:34:15.359 --> 01:34:17.279 feel to like could you love once and love with 2138 01:34:17.319 --> 01:34:19.279 someone else? Like, Oh, of course you've done your duty. 2139 01:34:19.840 --> 01:34:21.640 I actually admire you for how much you love a 2140 01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:24.159 diseas Like he's saying everything right until the kid. That's 2141 01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:26.119 why I love his face acting when she goes, oh, 2142 01:34:26.199 --> 01:34:28.159 what about your son, like, oh, of course he'd you know, 2143 01:34:28.199 --> 01:34:30.520 he'd take the throne unless we had a kid, and 2144 01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:32.920 she looks away and Passing just is like this little 2145 01:34:32.960 --> 01:34:34.840 like flinch in his face, like, oh, I fucked up, 2146 01:34:34.840 --> 01:34:36.319 Like I said the wrong thing. It's like in a game. 2147 01:34:36.359 --> 01:34:38.119 It's like if you're playing La Noir and you just 2148 01:34:38.159 --> 01:34:39.800 said the wrong thing. That's what he did. Oh And 2149 01:34:39.800 --> 01:34:44.239 then she's dejected. So he was. He was fun all. 2150 01:34:44.279 --> 01:34:46.359 He's probably my number one in this movie. He was 2151 01:34:46.439 --> 01:34:50.119 so like, like in a good way, anti charismatic if 2152 01:34:50.159 --> 01:34:52.159 you just want to fucking punch. I kind of wish 2153 01:34:52.239 --> 01:34:56.439 his death was worse. And that scene when Damon's like, 2154 01:34:56.439 --> 01:34:58.680 oh I got something for you, and he's like the 2155 01:34:59.239 --> 01:35:02.159 title I said, He's like laughing everything, like what would 2156 01:35:02.159 --> 01:35:04.079 you have for me? And he just throws like whatever 2157 01:35:04.119 --> 01:35:06.279 that thing is that he's giving them, just that scene 2158 01:35:06.319 --> 01:35:08.920 where he's getting worked up and like, you know, like 2159 01:35:08.960 --> 01:35:11.119 this is not funny, like you can't walk away from me, 2160 01:35:11.159 --> 01:35:13.479 all that stuff. So yeah, Pasan was Miami, but he's 2161 01:35:13.960 --> 01:35:16.720 he is one of the best actors today and I 2162 01:35:16.840 --> 01:35:18.479 just fucked man, that's our Batman. 2163 01:35:18.680 --> 01:35:22.920 And yeah, even when when when they're doing the test 2164 01:35:23.039 --> 01:35:26.039 and halland Hallanden hands him the bow and then he 2165 01:35:26.079 --> 01:35:28.399 immediately is like, doesn't even try at all, but he's 2166 01:35:28.439 --> 01:35:30.720 just trying to you know, slim his way through it 2167 01:35:30.800 --> 01:35:33.479 and like convince like talk his way out of it, uh, 2168 01:35:33.520 --> 01:35:36.479 in a sweet talking way. Like God, he's just so 2169 01:35:37.159 --> 01:35:39.720 he's he is a really smart, cunning guy. 2170 01:35:40.039 --> 01:35:41.840 And yeah, it's a new time. 2171 01:35:41.880 --> 01:35:44.119 I was like, what what is it like second layer, 2172 01:35:44.199 --> 01:35:45.800 second gear that he's about to go in here? It 2173 01:35:45.800 --> 01:35:48.279 feels like he's always like a step or two ahead 2174 01:35:48.680 --> 01:35:51.920 in a way that Yeah, I was totally drawn to him. 2175 01:35:51.920 --> 01:35:54.039 And I love his look in this movie too. I 2176 01:35:54.039 --> 01:35:55.640 mean he always just is a cool looking guy with 2177 01:35:55.720 --> 01:35:56.960 that fucking jawline is. 2178 01:35:56.960 --> 01:35:58.399 Just crushing into this movie. 2179 01:35:58.479 --> 01:36:02.520 The way the way Nolan got awards his jawline insane. 2180 01:36:02.960 --> 01:36:05.159 What a wonderfully looking person on screen. 2181 01:36:05.359 --> 01:36:07.920 I hope those Adaya Kajema physiant rumors are true, and 2182 01:36:07.960 --> 01:36:10.439 he's the he's the snake and the game I'd love 2183 01:36:10.479 --> 01:36:11.840 to be playing with the like what we can do 2184 01:36:11.880 --> 01:36:13.439 with norm ritas and desk strying and we can do 2185 01:36:13.520 --> 01:36:16.720 the pass and that'd be great. But to mention that 2186 01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:19.239 bo I forgot when he goes like, okay, you've made 2187 01:36:19.239 --> 01:36:21.199 your point. None of us could be a distance and 2188 01:36:21.199 --> 01:36:22.800 then he starts to do his whole speech. But but 2189 01:36:22.880 --> 01:36:24.960 that's the point because we got a step up like 2190 01:36:25.159 --> 01:36:26.680 he but he does it in such a way where 2191 01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:28.880 he is like he seems like it is like we 2192 01:36:28.960 --> 01:36:31.399 know he's bullshiting, right, but he portrays like yeah, we 2193 01:36:31.439 --> 01:36:33.960 get it, like none of us could be him, and 2194 01:36:34.039 --> 01:36:36.680 he's like trying to like go for the heart strings 2195 01:36:36.680 --> 01:36:38.760 and even halfways she's not like buying it, but she's 2196 01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:40.880 like hearing him out, Like you can see how far 2197 01:36:40.920 --> 01:36:43.560 this character's gone. Because at the end that you mentioned 2198 01:36:43.560 --> 01:36:46.159 is the joke deal. But still, why is everyone listening 2199 01:36:46.199 --> 01:36:47.920 to him. He's just like a suitor like the rest 2200 01:36:47.960 --> 01:36:50.079 of him. He's not like a king or anything. But 2201 01:36:50.119 --> 01:36:52.000 they're listening to me, like you do this, Like he's 2202 01:36:52.000 --> 01:36:54.640 directing traffic, so you can see that he's used his 2203 01:36:54.720 --> 01:36:58.840 cunning and his like sliminess to really get ahead in 2204 01:36:58.960 --> 01:37:00.840 life and money too because he paid off that family, right. 2205 01:37:00.880 --> 01:37:03.159 But still just like he's done this before where he's 2206 01:37:03.199 --> 01:37:05.159 gone his way by just kind of appealing to someone's 2207 01:37:05.520 --> 01:37:07.880 better nature even though he doesn't have it. 2208 01:37:07.960 --> 01:37:13.159 So yeah, he's even like even like the scene when 2209 01:37:13.159 --> 01:37:15.479 they're like beaten on the dog, like in the in 2210 01:37:15.560 --> 01:37:18.159 the dining room area, right, and then he's like coming 2211 01:37:18.199 --> 01:37:21.960 from like a more you know air quote, Uh, what's 2212 01:37:22.000 --> 01:37:25.720 the word I'm looking for, Like a instead of killing 2213 01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:27.680 the dog right there, he's like, oh, I'll just take 2214 01:37:27.720 --> 01:37:30.000 him outside and he's oh, yeah, lay in the pile 2215 01:37:30.039 --> 01:37:31.880 of shit and wait for Odysseus to come back. Like 2216 01:37:31.920 --> 01:37:35.399 it's okay, he's doing like a nice thing. I get, 2217 01:37:35.399 --> 01:37:37.239 like a merciful merciful I guess that's the word I 2218 01:37:37.239 --> 01:37:39.199 was looking for. Like this guy was gonna murder the 2219 01:37:39.199 --> 01:37:41.199 dog right there. I thought that was actually gonna happen, 2220 01:37:41.239 --> 01:37:42.880 and I'm like, God, damn, why do we have to 2221 01:37:43.000 --> 01:37:45.479 just murder this poor dog right in here in this scene? 2222 01:37:47.439 --> 01:37:49.760 But yeah, like like he's still a piece of shit, 2223 01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:53.279 but he didn't murder Odysseus's dog right there in front 2224 01:37:53.319 --> 01:37:55.439 of the whole family. So I guess in some ways 2225 01:37:55.479 --> 01:37:58.800 that's kind of a better, better way to go about it. 2226 01:37:58.840 --> 01:38:04.119 I guess. Uh No, he's phenomenal in this. I really 2227 01:38:04.119 --> 01:38:06.439 didn't know that he was like a villainous type role 2228 01:38:06.560 --> 01:38:08.199 going into this, Like I just didn't really know much 2229 01:38:08.199 --> 01:38:10.479 about his character. So I am happy that that was 2230 01:38:10.520 --> 01:38:12.479 the case because it's it's fun to see this type 2231 01:38:12.520 --> 01:38:16.239 of role, especially because I don't know, like Mickey seventeen, 2232 01:38:16.760 --> 01:38:20.000 I guess he has aspects of being kind of a 2233 01:38:20.680 --> 01:38:24.000 shitty guy like with the other Mickey that he's. 2234 01:38:24.279 --> 01:38:25.720 This it's more very different. 2235 01:38:25.920 --> 01:38:29.399 Yeah, this is like a fun, sleazy villain role that 2236 01:38:29.439 --> 01:38:31.720 he can like just his laughs, like when he's like, 2237 01:38:31.720 --> 01:38:33.479 like you said, just laughing at the bagger. 2238 01:38:33.720 --> 01:38:36.199 Yeah, And honestly, like we don't know this, but we 2239 01:38:36.239 --> 01:38:38.520 talked about this last week with the Dune trailer, like 2240 01:38:38.600 --> 01:38:41.520 always playing a big villain, He's two big movies. I 2241 01:38:41.520 --> 01:38:43.720 have a feeling that Dune Villain's gonna be nothing like 2242 01:38:43.760 --> 01:38:45.880 this character right from the few things we've seen of 2243 01:38:46.479 --> 01:38:48.279 I don't know his name is like Slithe or Slith 2244 01:38:48.359 --> 01:38:52.680 or something like that, but like, yeah, slit, I'm slit. 2245 01:38:54.920 --> 01:38:57.760 I want to rackus, but no, like, I just feel like. 2246 01:38:57.760 --> 01:39:02.760 He he He's just such a versatile actor that sometimes 2247 01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:05.000 that can be a trap, right of playing a villain 2248 01:39:05.640 --> 01:39:07.920 not only in big franchis, but now twice in one year. 2249 01:39:07.960 --> 01:39:10.319 But I feel like they're gonna be completely nothing alike and. 2250 01:39:10.239 --> 01:39:12.239 Even like I haven't seen ten in a while, but 2251 01:39:12.399 --> 01:39:14.760 just like the comparison of oh yeah, what he can 2252 01:39:14.840 --> 01:39:17.239 what Nolan can make this guy do is pretty cool. 2253 01:39:17.560 --> 01:39:21.720 Yeah, yeah, I feel like he's gotta I feel like 2254 01:39:21.720 --> 01:39:24.560 he's gonna happen. Someone's gonna like uh or not someone. 2255 01:39:24.600 --> 01:39:26.399 I feel like, one of these times, he's gonna give 2256 01:39:26.479 --> 01:39:28.119 him the lead in these movies. I think he has 2257 01:39:28.199 --> 01:39:30.560 like earn it, Like Kel Murphy and Matt Damon, they 2258 01:39:30.600 --> 01:39:32.000 had to be in a few Nolan movies before they 2259 01:39:32.039 --> 01:39:34.239 got the lead. But I guarantee you one day there's 2260 01:39:34.239 --> 01:39:36.319 gonna be a no Olan movie where passes the lead. 2261 01:39:36.359 --> 01:39:37.920 And I can't wait for that day. 2262 01:39:38.039 --> 01:39:40.920 You know, so quite quite a streak right now. 2263 01:39:41.199 --> 01:39:44.359 Yeah yeah, let's take probably from Outbreak and then we'll 2264 01:39:44.399 --> 01:39:48.439 be right back. We are back. What else anything else 2265 01:39:48.520 --> 01:39:51.039 to shout out before we end this off and found 2266 01:39:51.079 --> 01:39:52.560 thoughts and ratings. 2267 01:39:53.640 --> 01:39:55.960 I guess just quick we mentioned them a little bit. 2268 01:39:56.000 --> 01:40:00.319 But Zenda and Charlie's Throne, like you know, the just 2269 01:40:00.399 --> 01:40:04.319 always so good like Zend like goddamn what her eyes 2270 01:40:04.600 --> 01:40:07.159 like she just conduced magical things with her eyes and 2271 01:40:07.199 --> 01:40:09.680 movies which I always like to bring up in these reviews. 2272 01:40:09.720 --> 01:40:11.359 But you know, it doesn't have a huge part in 2273 01:40:11.359 --> 01:40:13.840 this movie, but is still able to like pull so 2274 01:40:13.960 --> 01:40:18.239 much emotion out of that. I think it really highlights too. 2275 01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:21.000 It kind of like breaks down a wall and Odysseus 2276 01:40:21.039 --> 01:40:23.720 that I think is quite engaging. And yeah, all the 2277 01:40:23.720 --> 01:40:27.319 stuff with calypso like those sequences I feel like could 2278 01:40:27.560 --> 01:40:29.560 drag or like those are like the low points of 2279 01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:32.880 between like these huge, big action epic set pieces, but 2280 01:40:32.920 --> 01:40:35.399 I instead thinking, like those sequences are really great and 2281 01:40:35.399 --> 01:40:37.279 they just break up the pacing in a nice way. 2282 01:40:37.640 --> 01:40:40.039 And yeah, kind of going along with him, Like I 2283 01:40:40.079 --> 01:40:42.920 think the storytelling is so interesting in this movie of 2284 01:40:43.359 --> 01:40:45.199 like Tom Hollands going on his journey to find out 2285 01:40:45.199 --> 01:40:47.880 what's happening, and he's like talking to Bernhal and then 2286 01:40:48.000 --> 01:40:51.199 Burnhal's like referencing this thing of like Matt Damon and Matt. 2287 01:40:51.239 --> 01:40:53.920 Damon's like having a conversation with Calypso, who then's like 2288 01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:56.039 is pulling a memory out of him, and then we 2289 01:40:56.119 --> 01:40:58.159 like go into that sequence. Like it's just kind of 2290 01:40:58.359 --> 01:41:00.199 if you really charted out in the way we get 2291 01:41:00.199 --> 01:41:03.199 to different sequences, it's pretty wild stuff. And again, it's 2292 01:41:03.239 --> 01:41:06.520 like Nolan is such a master of just taking a 2293 01:41:06.560 --> 01:41:08.840 movie and filming it one way and then like chopping 2294 01:41:08.840 --> 01:41:11.239 it and editing it in such a way that totally 2295 01:41:11.279 --> 01:41:13.079 changes the context and the pacing of it. And there 2296 01:41:13.079 --> 01:41:16.359 isn't a slow moment, and so I think the Calypso 2297 01:41:16.520 --> 01:41:19.680 scenes in particular are just so expertly placed in this 2298 01:41:19.840 --> 01:41:23.319 movie that yeah, just a big shout out to her, 2299 01:41:23.439 --> 01:41:24.800 And like those sequences in general, and. 2300 01:41:24.880 --> 01:41:25.720 Just like the visuals. 2301 01:41:26.520 --> 01:41:30.000 I love just the look of that more desert island 2302 01:41:30.319 --> 01:41:31.880 area I think is really cool. 2303 01:41:32.119 --> 01:41:34.000 Yeah, yeah, I know, like you said, there's no more 2304 01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:36.039 I can actus just Nolan doing great thing. But it's 2305 01:41:36.279 --> 01:41:39.039 when it introduced, Okay, we're gonna begin flashbacks of the 2306 01:41:39.319 --> 01:41:41.880 Battle Troy. We got Tom Holland and Hathaway in our 2307 01:41:41.880 --> 01:41:46.239 present day, and then we got Odysseus somewhere with Charlie's 2308 01:41:46.239 --> 01:41:48.520 there on. They established in that first act, Okay, we're 2309 01:41:48.520 --> 01:41:50.159 gonna be bounced around a lot, and it never feels 2310 01:41:50.159 --> 01:41:52.479 like that. It feels like it's all the through line, 2311 01:41:52.479 --> 01:41:53.960 and that the book is like that too. The book 2312 01:41:54.000 --> 01:41:55.760 is always going in and out of the different time periods. 2313 01:41:55.800 --> 01:41:58.239 But in this movie, you go, Okay, he's got a 2314 01:41:58.239 --> 01:42:01.479 lot of juggle here, and then just nah, it's effortless. 2315 01:42:01.479 --> 01:42:04.000 It's like he's on autopilot. Yeah, I've done this so 2316 01:42:04.000 --> 01:42:07.039 many times before, so yeah, yeah, have and some more. 2317 01:42:07.079 --> 01:42:09.920 That was me a goth as Penelope's assistant, and I 2318 01:42:10.000 --> 01:42:12.319 kind of forgot that she had that role of the 2319 01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:15.920 turner to like work with pass and that I did 2320 01:42:16.039 --> 01:42:20.000 get what happened was like classic a goth. Yeah, because 2321 01:42:20.079 --> 01:42:22.079 up at that point I'm like, hey, listen, I get it. 2322 01:42:22.159 --> 01:42:23.880 Everyone wants to be in an old movie, right, But 2323 01:42:23.920 --> 01:42:25.920 I'm like, this is almost like egregious. This is like 2324 01:42:25.920 --> 01:42:28.880 you couldn't give her anything else going on here? Uh. 2325 01:42:28.920 --> 01:42:31.039 And then it's like, okay, she's a little like not know, 2326 01:42:31.119 --> 01:42:33.199 it's like an aptize, but just some scene like great 2327 01:42:33.239 --> 01:42:35.760 payoff of like no, queen, you need to be up there. 2328 01:42:35.800 --> 01:42:37.760 And then later on the battles. I'm like, your place 2329 01:42:37.840 --> 01:42:40.079 is down here, and they closed the door, and I 2330 01:42:40.079 --> 01:42:41.840 guess I should shout him out to you. I completely 2331 01:42:41.840 --> 01:42:44.880 forgot is this sequence of passing tux Dan hathaway. He 2332 01:42:44.960 --> 01:42:47.159 runs and me a Gothas against a wall, and then 2333 01:42:47.159 --> 01:42:49.199 they kiss, they have they walk away, and then they 2334 01:42:49.239 --> 01:42:51.760 walk forward, and then John leg was almost also behind 2335 01:42:51.760 --> 01:42:54.920 a wall listening to It's like that that meme of 2336 01:42:55.000 --> 01:42:56.800 just like multiple people of the gun pointed at each 2337 01:42:56.800 --> 01:43:00.000 other's back. It's like three layers of someone listening behind it. 2338 01:43:00.359 --> 01:43:02.119 And I guess I should shut that out too, if 2339 01:43:02.159 --> 01:43:03.880 I had a fourth in the Mount Rushmore. John Wick 2340 01:43:04.000 --> 01:43:07.279 was almost was amazing in this fucking movie. And again 2341 01:43:07.640 --> 01:43:10.640 not like too much screen time, but just so good. 2342 01:43:10.680 --> 01:43:12.399 And I guess for my last point too, I guess 2343 01:43:12.640 --> 01:43:14.319 we didn't really talk about too much, but I think 2344 01:43:14.319 --> 01:43:17.640 we just kind of danced around it. Whatever you feel 2345 01:43:17.680 --> 01:43:20.520 the action, who knows. But I loved the final fight 2346 01:43:20.560 --> 01:43:23.279 scene just so intense, and again I can find all 2347 01:43:23.319 --> 01:43:26.239 believable because yeah, they're suitors. They might have like fought 2348 01:43:26.239 --> 01:43:28.920 here and there, but they're not like Odysseus who's been 2349 01:43:28.960 --> 01:43:31.000 through the ship and he's just like built like a 2350 01:43:31.039 --> 01:43:34.159 brick shit house, and that whole sequence of him doing 2351 01:43:34.199 --> 01:43:36.960 the bow and everyone laughing, and then he hits the 2352 01:43:37.000 --> 01:43:39.159 board and n Hathaway just like cox her hear a 2353 01:43:39.199 --> 01:43:41.119 little bit and he hits the board again. She fully turns. 2354 01:43:41.279 --> 01:43:43.119 But then they go to attack and they close everything 2355 01:43:43.119 --> 01:43:45.039 and they moved the weapons up and they're running out 2356 01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:48.640 of Tom holland he's getting his ass kicked. The battle's over, 2357 01:43:48.680 --> 01:43:50.479 and John le Go was like, did he win? 2358 01:43:50.800 --> 01:43:51.039 Did he? 2359 01:43:51.159 --> 01:43:52.199 I what happened? 2360 01:43:52.399 --> 01:43:56.239 But that whole people slowly bending the knee, Yes, that 2361 01:43:56.359 --> 01:43:57.720 is fucking so cool. 2362 01:43:57.760 --> 01:43:59.039 I love it. 2363 01:43:59.199 --> 01:44:02.800 That was amazing. Yeah, it it had the it had 2364 01:44:02.800 --> 01:44:03.399 the juice there. 2365 01:44:03.479 --> 01:44:05.560 So for me is when he just does that string 2366 01:44:06.000 --> 01:44:08.319 strung noise with his bow and then everyone just kind 2367 01:44:08.319 --> 01:44:10.760 of like shot themselves a bit. And then I don't 2368 01:44:10.800 --> 01:44:12.439 know what the character's name was in here, but he 2369 01:44:12.520 --> 01:44:15.359 was like Robert's best buddy or whatever. It was stirring 2370 01:44:15.359 --> 01:44:18.560 the pot and when everyone like it was silent and 2371 01:44:18.560 --> 01:44:21.319 everyone was like oh, and then the guy's like, oh, 2372 01:44:21.359 --> 01:44:23.640 you're it doesn't even finish the sentence in the air 2373 01:44:23.720 --> 01:44:25.359 goes right into his neck and that's when people cheered 2374 01:44:25.359 --> 01:44:28.199 in my theater, people were so stoked the. 2375 01:44:28.159 --> 01:44:30.439 Way Disseuse makes a bow and arrow feel like a 2376 01:44:30.520 --> 01:44:34.159 fucking cannon in the yes, it just the power of 2377 01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:35.880 that bow is unbelievable. 2378 01:44:36.439 --> 01:44:38.479 And he's hit firing the fucking thing in the room 2379 01:44:38.479 --> 01:44:40.640 and he's getting headshots like goddamn. 2380 01:44:40.760 --> 01:44:42.720 Like I said, they established in the movie, he's like 2381 01:44:43.079 --> 01:44:45.159 he's on a that's his kill streak right when he 2382 01:44:45.159 --> 01:44:47.159 gets that bow. And that's why I love that line 2383 01:44:47.159 --> 01:44:49.239 when tom One's like, oh, you have no weapons and 2384 01:44:49.279 --> 01:44:51.600 she's like, oh no, your mother, like she gave me 2385 01:44:51.640 --> 01:44:53.279 the weapon by just doing it. Say it's gonna be 2386 01:44:53.319 --> 01:44:55.640 the bow challenge, right, So he's like, oh, I got 2387 01:44:55.680 --> 01:44:56.720 these mother efforts. 2388 01:44:56.720 --> 01:44:58.560 Like he likes that thing more than his son, you know, 2389 01:44:58.600 --> 01:45:00.600 like when he was reunited with the bow, he was 2390 01:45:00.640 --> 01:45:01.439 a happy man. 2391 01:45:01.439 --> 01:45:03.039 And he's not like, yeah, think it was he's not 2392 01:45:03.079 --> 01:45:04.840 spending that much time in the sun because he's an exile. 2393 01:45:05.600 --> 01:45:07.159 What is he handled with something like a week or 2394 01:45:07.159 --> 01:45:10.239 two and then he's gone so like he never. 2395 01:45:10.039 --> 01:45:12.479 I mean sometimes the time, it's. 2396 01:45:12.279 --> 01:45:14.359 Hard to tell how long a sequence was, Like how 2397 01:45:14.399 --> 01:45:16.520 long were they on the sun God Island? 2398 01:45:16.680 --> 01:45:18.720 Was that? Was that a couple of days or was 2399 01:45:18.720 --> 01:45:19.319 it like months? 2400 01:45:19.359 --> 01:45:21.680 Like I think I think weeks to months. I'm gonna 2401 01:45:21.680 --> 01:45:23.760 say weeks. But but but I just make when they 2402 01:45:23.840 --> 01:45:26.199 say bye and he's gonna be exiled because he kill 2403 01:45:26.199 --> 01:45:28.760 those people, I imagine that would act kind of fast, right, 2404 01:45:28.840 --> 01:45:31.479 So yeah, Tom Hohlone really never knows his dad that 2405 01:45:31.600 --> 01:45:34.600 much in this He's he's gone, so he knows about him. 2406 01:45:34.680 --> 01:45:41.039 You know, he's I'm sure go back over there for lunch. 2407 01:45:42.079 --> 01:45:44.239 He just when when he first appears to to helped 2408 01:45:44.279 --> 01:45:47.079 out Tom Hall, like at the Temple of Athena where 2409 01:45:47.119 --> 01:45:50.680 it was all stage to get his his murder underway. 2410 01:45:50.720 --> 01:45:53.159 But like every time you see Matt Damon and he's 2411 01:45:53.159 --> 01:45:54.960 got like the long beard, but he's got the hood 2412 01:45:55.000 --> 01:45:56.920 at his full inside the hood is all just you 2413 01:45:56.920 --> 01:45:59.720 can't see his face. That's shadow. Every time that was 2414 01:46:00.079 --> 01:46:02.600 that was just a sequence. It's just he looks so 2415 01:46:02.760 --> 01:46:06.239 ominous and badass, like when he's like stoken Robert a 2416 01:46:06.239 --> 01:46:08.560 little bit when he puts like I have something for you, 2417 01:46:08.640 --> 01:46:10.800 puts the little tooden tote him in his hand and 2418 01:46:11.000 --> 01:46:13.960 starts freaking out and he's like, yeah, it's just he's 2419 01:46:14.000 --> 01:46:15.239 just eggsham on so good. 2420 01:46:15.399 --> 01:46:17.239 When I'm fifty or six, I'm gonna do that at 2421 01:46:17.279 --> 01:46:19.560 that Halloween cautume. But yeah, there is that one shot 2422 01:46:19.560 --> 01:46:21.319 of all the suitors when they're trying, and it's just a 2423 01:46:21.319 --> 01:46:23.399 shot of Matt Dame and the backgrounds in there, and 2424 01:46:23.439 --> 01:46:25.119 like he looks like death because you can't see his 2425 01:46:25.119 --> 01:46:28.760 face all it's complete shadow. And uh, yeah that was great. 2426 01:46:28.800 --> 01:46:36.520 And yeah, anything else I I guess to say when 2427 01:46:36.680 --> 01:46:39.920 anything else to say, because like, I like, we could 2428 01:46:39.920 --> 01:46:41.840 go around the horn, but I think, like I don't know. 2429 01:46:41.760 --> 01:46:43.319 It's gotta be a perfect forty right. 2430 01:46:44.279 --> 01:46:46.199 Yeah, Like that's what I mean. If I've ever seen 2431 01:46:46.560 --> 01:46:47.920 like I feel like at this point of review, no 2432 01:46:48.159 --> 01:46:51.239 listeners like I wonder what they're given this this movie. 2433 01:46:51.319 --> 01:46:53.479 You know, I think I'm pretty confident Kirtlin's thinking he's 2434 01:46:53.479 --> 01:46:55.159 looking at the star, he's looking at the literal. 2435 01:46:55.319 --> 01:46:58.680 Some things that kind of buged me. But I think 2436 01:46:58.720 --> 01:47:00.680 it would just be like pacing things. Like I said, 2437 01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:02.159 there's a couple of scenes that just seem like we 2438 01:47:02.359 --> 01:47:05.439 just really went through them fast. But like that's not 2439 01:47:05.520 --> 01:47:08.119 really a gripe. It's yeah, a big book to cover, right, 2440 01:47:08.239 --> 01:47:11.760 how we fit a Massive Adventure into three hours, like yeah, okay, yeah, 2441 01:47:11.760 --> 01:47:14.680 they definitely succeeded in many in that sense. 2442 01:47:14.840 --> 01:47:17.399 And even then, technically the movie is under three hours 2443 01:47:17.439 --> 01:47:20.239 because of the way they for dylanan Peel. It's on Imax. 2444 01:47:20.279 --> 01:47:22.239 I guess Imax like the way it's played, it can't 2445 01:47:22.239 --> 01:47:24.680 play over three hours. So there is stuff that they cut. 2446 01:47:24.920 --> 01:47:26.720 No one said like you have to cut anything. It's 2447 01:47:26.760 --> 01:47:30.000 like absolutely doesn't work, but like we have to find 2448 01:47:30.000 --> 01:47:32.079 a way to you know, it doesn't want to cut anything. 2449 01:47:32.079 --> 01:47:33.600 But yeah, they had to make sure it was under 2450 01:47:33.600 --> 01:47:37.359 three because you can't play no Imax movie longer than that. 2451 01:47:37.439 --> 01:47:38.359 So there is other stuff. 2452 01:47:38.960 --> 01:47:40.720 They haven't figured that out. 2453 01:47:41.000 --> 01:47:42.640 I think it's for a while, like it don't get 2454 01:47:42.680 --> 01:47:44.520 me wrong, then I'm probably misquoting, but I think for 2455 01:47:44.560 --> 01:47:46.079 a while that was kind of like the idea of 2456 01:47:46.119 --> 01:47:48.119 like on film and if you ever see those things 2457 01:47:48.159 --> 01:47:49.640 when no one puts out a movie and it's like 2458 01:47:49.640 --> 01:47:51.600 this big reel that they got to change over and stuff, 2459 01:47:51.720 --> 01:47:53.079 I mean that was kind of dying. But I think 2460 01:47:53.119 --> 01:47:55.600 like seventy millimeter is like kind of coming back for 2461 01:47:56.039 --> 01:47:58.079 prestige viewing and everything. But I think for a while, 2462 01:47:58.119 --> 01:48:00.359 theaters like it's just gonna go digital and we gotta 2463 01:48:00.359 --> 01:48:01.880 worry about that. We don't got to fix that. Like 2464 01:48:01.920 --> 01:48:04.560 even then too, they had like for the longest time, 2465 01:48:04.720 --> 01:48:06.840 they could not shoot a whole movie in Imax some 2466 01:48:06.880 --> 01:48:10.039 of these cameras that use on Odyssey. Tom tom Holmes 2467 01:48:10.039 --> 01:48:12.159 told the story where he thought Nolan didn't like his 2468 01:48:12.239 --> 01:48:14.960 acting because they're only doing takes in three minutes. He's okay, 2469 01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:17.159 and he stopped right there. But the camera can only 2470 01:48:17.239 --> 01:48:18.800 roll for three minutes. They got to cut and then 2471 01:48:18.840 --> 01:48:21.880 switch over and then go again. It's fucking crazy. So 2472 01:48:22.039 --> 01:48:22.399 this is the. 2473 01:48:22.399 --> 01:48:25.159 First movie expensive also. 2474 01:48:24.840 --> 01:48:27.199 Absolutely, that's why this movie costs two hundred and fifty 2475 01:48:27.199 --> 01:48:29.880 million dollars. The actors aren't getting paid huge amounts. And 2476 01:48:30.039 --> 01:48:32.279 this is the first movie shot completely in Imax. That's 2477 01:48:32.319 --> 01:48:35.000 why no one want to do this so many times, 2478 01:48:35.039 --> 01:48:36.760 like with The Dark Knight and that meant but when 2479 01:48:36.760 --> 01:48:39.920 you shoot an Imax the camera it's super loud, so 2480 01:48:39.960 --> 01:48:43.199 you can't back Then you couldn't shoot dialogue scenes because 2481 01:48:43.199 --> 01:48:44.960 it was so load. Now they create a new Imax thing. 2482 01:48:44.960 --> 01:48:46.920 So that's why I think for a while they're like, oh, 2483 01:48:46.920 --> 01:48:48.439 this is the peak, and then I think there's more 2484 01:48:48.479 --> 01:48:51.399 filmmaker on tours like him or cooler Denie or like 2485 01:48:51.520 --> 01:48:53.560 we kind of want to like shoot this whole thing 2486 01:48:53.560 --> 01:48:56.159 in imax and figure it out. So it's expensive, but 2487 01:48:56.199 --> 01:48:57.840 once you become top shit, you can do it. 2488 01:48:57.920 --> 01:48:58.840 So true. 2489 01:48:59.000 --> 01:49:02.159 Yeah, kirkle On, you're breaking the forty. 2490 01:49:04.279 --> 01:49:06.000 No, it's not gonna be a forty. 2491 01:49:06.199 --> 01:49:10.600 You know, the highs elevate the potential small lows and everything, 2492 01:49:10.640 --> 01:49:12.680 but they're pretty damn shallow lows. 2493 01:49:12.720 --> 01:49:15.600 Yeah, they're very very minor lows if anything. 2494 01:49:16.079 --> 01:49:19.119 Yeah, So well there you go. Everyone's going ten, right, Taylor, 2495 01:49:19.119 --> 01:49:22.680 you're not injecting over there's got a little looking. 2496 01:49:24.960 --> 01:49:28.880 Tailor Yeah, I'm in that horse with you guys. 2497 01:49:31.960 --> 01:49:33.359 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to do. 2498 01:49:34.399 --> 01:49:36.199 Not a time for GV Day, but for actually if 2499 01:49:36.199 --> 01:49:38.039 something got to find a way to get a horse 2500 01:49:38.119 --> 01:49:38.720 and put us off. 2501 01:49:39.319 --> 01:49:41.720 We're doing twenty four hour stream but in the horse Boys. 2502 01:49:41.560 --> 01:49:44.319 Some segment or something. No, it's not like some joke 2503 01:49:44.479 --> 01:49:46.720 or some sket or even even if that's the shirt, 2504 01:49:46.800 --> 01:49:48.640 I don't know somehow, like I don't know how we're 2505 01:49:48.640 --> 01:49:49.800 gonna get there, but it'll be. 2506 01:49:49.800 --> 01:49:52.439 At the bottle of the horse like Willem Dafoe looking up. 2507 01:49:55.039 --> 01:49:57.520 Well, there you go, everybody. That is our view of 2508 01:49:57.600 --> 01:49:59.960 Christopher Nolans The Odyssey. I'm sure this is not the last, 2509 01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:01.640 and we'll talk about I'm sure with the patrons we're 2510 01:50:01.640 --> 01:50:03.159 gonna talk about I'm sure we're gonna be all you 2511 01:50:03.199 --> 01:50:05.479 cause again that's one thing too. Getting out of theater 2512 01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:09.000 and my theater is so rare was packed with all ages, 2513 01:50:09.039 --> 01:50:11.159 you know, people that were in their eighties to like 2514 01:50:11.239 --> 01:50:13.880 get like probably ten year olds and stuff run around, right, 2515 01:50:14.880 --> 01:50:16.800 it was so nice when that theater left. It just 2516 01:50:16.840 --> 01:50:19.000 seemed like everybody was super hyped. And I've had people 2517 01:50:19.079 --> 01:50:20.720 in our real life talk about even how many people 2518 01:50:20.720 --> 01:50:22.800 at work it's like, oh, like you're seeing the honysty 2519 01:50:22.880 --> 01:50:26.640 like it's it's having that kind of like transcending vibe. 2520 01:50:26.640 --> 01:50:28.520 So again, we're gonna talk about it on an After 2521 01:50:28.560 --> 01:50:30.359 nine in the future, we're gonna talk about for sure 2522 01:50:30.399 --> 01:50:33.079 for Golden Geeks. So we're not done talking about the Odyssey. 2523 01:50:33.159 --> 01:50:35.199 But for now, this is the review. Thank you very 2524 01:50:35.279 --> 01:50:37.560 much for you listening live or after the fact. I 2525 01:50:37.560 --> 01:50:39.560 promise when you hear from us next it will not 2526 01:50:40.000 --> 01:50:40.920 be boring.