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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever really stopped to think about just how

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<v Speaker 1>huge the Internet actually is, the part you use every day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's well, it's way bigger and more layered than most

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<v Speaker 1>of us. Picture what you typically see, you know, what

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<v Speaker 1>Google shows you. That's really just the surface, a very

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<v Speaker 1>tip of this massive digital iceberg.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great way to put it. And today, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going beneath that surface, dive in deep Exactly. We're

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<v Speaker 2>doing a deep dive into the Internet's hidden layers and

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<v Speaker 2>the really complex, sometimes quite alarming world of cybercrime that

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<v Speaker 2>thrives in those shadows.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's the mission here?

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<v Speaker 2>Our mission is basically to pull back the curtain. We

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<v Speaker 2>want to look at digital criminal activity where it hides,

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<v Speaker 2>the sophisticated tricks attackers use, and the global efforts trying

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<v Speaker 2>to fight back. Okay, and we're drawing all this from

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<v Speaker 2>a really comprehensive source we've been digging into called the

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<v Speaker 2>Encyclopedia of Criminal Activities, and the Deep Web sounds thorough

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<v Speaker 2>it is the main goal here is to give you

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<v Speaker 2>the insights you need to stay well, not just aware,

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<v Speaker 2>but genuinely secure in this digital world that's always always changing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So let's really get into that iceberg idea. You

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned the tip. That's the surface web, right right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's everything the standard search engines like Google can easily

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<v Speaker 2>find an index your news, websites, online stores, social media feeds,

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<v Speaker 2>every day stuff, the every day stuff. But here's the kicker,

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<v Speaker 2>the part that's kind of mind bending. Our sources suggest

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<v Speaker 2>this accessible bit the surface web, it holds less than

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<v Speaker 2>twenty percent of all the information online.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, less than twenty percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really just the very very peak.

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<v Speaker 1>So what lies beneath?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so below that you get into the deep web. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't automatically shady or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I think people hear deep web and immediately think bad things.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, But it's mostly just content that needs, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a log in or a direct link. Stuff search engines

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<v Speaker 2>don't index because it's private. Think about your email inbox,

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<v Speaker 2>your online banking, cloud storage, your private accounts. Precisely, it's legitimate,

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<v Speaker 2>necessary information, kept secure, just not open for any web

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<v Speaker 2>crawler to find.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it. And then deeper still.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you reach the layer that yeah, sparks the most

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<v Speaker 2>curiosity and frankly the most concern, the dark web.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is where it gets really hidden.

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<v Speaker 2>This is where the digital shadows really get long. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an encrypted network. You mostly access it using special software.

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<v Speaker 2>The most famous one is probably Tour, the Onion router.

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<v Speaker 1>The Onion router what onion.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it wraps your Internet traffic in multiple layers of

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<v Speaker 2>encryption like an onion. It bounces your connection through a

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<v Speaker 2>whole series of volunteer relays around.

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<v Speaker 1>The world, ah making it hard to trace.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredibly difficult. It's like trying to follow a letter that's

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<v Speaker 2>been rerouted through a thousand different post offices, each putting

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<v Speaker 2>on a new anonymous label.

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<v Speaker 1>Clever is Tour the only way in not the only one.

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<v Speaker 2>There's another network called I two P, the Invisible Internet Project.

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<v Speaker 2>It uses slightly different methods like unidirectional tunnels to add

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<v Speaker 2>even more layers of anonymity, makes users almost like digital ghosts,

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<v Speaker 2>very hard to track down.

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<v Speaker 1>But these tools they're not just for criminals, are.

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<v Speaker 2>They Absolutely not? And that's the crucial point, the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of paradox here. These privacy networks have a dual use.

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<v Speaker 2>They're vital tools for people living under oppressive regimes, activists, journalists,

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<v Speaker 2>ordinary citizens, allowing them to communicate and access information without

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<v Speaker 2>being watched.

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<v Speaker 1>So essential for free speech in some places.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, But that same powerful anonymity, that cloak of invisibility, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it also makes these networks a perfect breeding ground for

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<v Speaker 2>illegal activities.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so what kind of illegal activities are we talking

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<v Speaker 1>about finding down there?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the sources we looked at paint a pretty grim

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<v Speaker 2>picture of a thriving black market. You could find all

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of illicit goods and services. Drugs obviously, people might

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<v Speaker 2>remember the Silk Road marketplace.

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<v Speaker 1>Fiasca now that made big news.

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<v Speaker 2>Big news, but also firearms, huge amounts of stolen confidential data,

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<v Speaker 2>credit card numbers, bank logins, even complete identity packages with

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<v Speaker 2>social security numbers. You can buy services that create fake receipts,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, tailored to look real for almost any online purchase.

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<v Speaker 1>Just unbelievable the scale.

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<v Speaker 2>Of it it is. But maybe the most disturbing thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and something we absolutely have to mention, is that our

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<v Speaker 2>sources report the production and sharing of child pornography is

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<v Speaker 2>well common on these protected networks. Oh that's awful. It's horrific.

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<v Speaker 2>The very anonymity designed to protect the vulnerable is tragically

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<v Speaker 2>twisted to facilitate some of the worst crimes. Imaginable.

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<v Speaker 1>That really is sobering. Okay, so we understand a bit

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<v Speaker 1>more about where this happens. Let's shift to the how

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<v Speaker 1>how do we define cybercrime broadly and what are the

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<v Speaker 1>common tactics these criminals use?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So cybercrime in general, it's any kind of online

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<v Speaker 2>threat targeting computer devices, networks, it systems. Usually, almost always,

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<v Speaker 2>it involves some kind of malicious software, malware viruses used

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<v Speaker 2>to getting where they shouldn't or to cause image and.

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<v Speaker 1>It covers a lot of ground, a huge.

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<v Speaker 2>Range, everything from stealing intellectual property like company secrets, to

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<v Speaker 2>damaging or wiping out critical data, stealing personal info, financial fraud,

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<v Speaker 2>identity theft, even causing serious harm to someone's reputation online.

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<v Speaker 2>The key goals are usually penetrating controlled systems, and crucially

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<v Speaker 2>for the criminal, staying untraceable.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes sense? And what's driving them? Is it always just

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<v Speaker 1>about making money?

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<v Speaker 2>Money is definitely a huge factor, right, probably the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>motivator we see, but it's not the only one. Revenge

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<v Speaker 2>is a powerful driver too. Revenge Like how think about

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<v Speaker 2>say an employee who got fired and feels wronged, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>publicly humiliated if they have insider knowledge of the company systems.

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<v Speaker 2>They might use it to cause damage, leak data, hurt

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<v Speaker 2>the company's reputation or finances.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, weaponizing their access exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there are other motives, sometimes purely emotional, like

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<v Speaker 2>hate crimes carried out online or driven by ideology.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, bottom line, and every cyber criminal has an

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<v Speaker 1>objective money, revenge, disruption, something.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's get into the tactics, the playbook, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do they often start. I guess social engineering like

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<v Speaker 2>phishing is pretty common. We've probably all seen those emails

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<v Speaker 2>that look a bit off.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh. Absolutely. Phishing is basically the art of deception online,

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<v Speaker 1>tricking you into giving up sensitive info credit card details,

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<v Speaker 1>bank logins, usually through fake websites or emails designed to

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<v Speaker 1>look exactly like the real thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Very convincing. Sometimes they can be incredibly convincing. Now there's

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<v Speaker 2>mass phishing, which is like casting a wide net hoping

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<v Speaker 2>to catch anyone. But then there's spearfishing.

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<v Speaker 1>Spearfishing sounds more targeted.

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<v Speaker 2>It is much more targeted and much more dangerous. Here,

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<v Speaker 2>the criminals research specific individuals, they find public information, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>from social media or company websites, and craft personalized emails,

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<v Speaker 2>often with malware hidden and attachments the email it's legitimate,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe like it's from a colleague or a known contact,

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<v Speaker 2>designed purely to build trust and get that one specific

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<v Speaker 2>person to click.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. That takes more effort.

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<v Speaker 2>It does require more human effort than automated mass fishing,

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<v Speaker 2>but the success rate can be alarmingly high because it

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<v Speaker 2>feels so personal and credible.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember those early four nineteen Nigerian scams. That was

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<v Speaker 1>pure deception, wasn't it a form of identity theft built

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<v Speaker 1>on a lie?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, a classic example of social engineering before it got

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<v Speaker 2>quite so technically sophisticated. But yeah, beyond trickery, malware itself

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<v Speaker 2>is a massive, constantly evolving threat.

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<v Speaker 1>Malware the malicious software umbrella.

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<v Speaker 2>What falls under that lots of things, but one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most notorious types is ransomware. I think petya want

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<v Speaker 2>to cry those big outbreak.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and I remember those they locked up computers, didn't they?

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<v Speaker 2>Precisely. Ransomware takes your data hostage. It encrypts your files

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<v Speaker 2>or locks your whole computer, and then demands a ransom payment,

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<v Speaker 2>usually in cryptocurrency, to give you access back.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's becoming more common.

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<v Speaker 2>Dramatically so our sources showed the frequency jumping from attacks

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<v Speaker 2>happening every forty seconds back in twenty seventeen to ever

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four seconds twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Every twenty four seconds. That's terrified.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a staggering acceleration. It means for a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people and businesses it's less a question of if they'll

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<v Speaker 2>get hit and more when, which really changes how you

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<v Speaker 2>have to think about defense. The impact just on healthcare

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<v Speaker 2>alone was projected to quadruple by twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Just devastating for critical services. Any other major malware types.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you also have computer worms. These are nasty because

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<v Speaker 2>they can copy themselves and spread across networks automatically, without

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<v Speaker 2>needing you to click anything specific. They just quietly infect

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<v Speaker 2>machine after machine. And interestingly, we're seeing a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a shift to away from purely automated malware towards attacks

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<v Speaker 2>where humans manually deploy the malware, making them more precise

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<v Speaker 2>and harder to detect initially.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what about attacks that don't necessarily steal data but

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<v Speaker 1>just disrupt things like denial of service? I think most

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<v Speaker 1>of us have experienced a website just not loading.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that frustration is often a denial of service or

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<v Speaker 2>DOS attack. It basically floods a server with so much

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<v Speaker 2>traffic that it gets overwhelmed and can't respond to legitimate users.

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<v Speaker 1>Just one attacker causing that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a basic DOS. But then you have didas distributed

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<v Speaker 2>denial of service that's way more powerful distributed.

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<v Speaker 1>How does that work?

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine instead of one person knocking on the door, you

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<v Speaker 2>have a huge mob, maybe millions of computers all hammering

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<v Speaker 2>the website at once. These are usually bots, computers that

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<v Speaker 2>have been secretly compromised and are controlled by the attacker.

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<v Speaker 2>They create this overwhelming flood of traffic that just forces

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<v Speaker 2>the site offline.

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<v Speaker 1>A digital mob.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty much, and the scale is increasing. DDoS attacks in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen were reportedly four times larger than just two

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<v Speaker 2>years earlier. These digital moms are getting bigger and more sophisticated.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's a newer one. You mentioned. Cryptojacking sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like something from science fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't, but it's very real. Cryptojacking is basically hijacking someone

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<v Speaker 2>else's computer processing power without their knowledge, to mind cryptocurrency, So.

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<v Speaker 1>My computer could be working for a criminal eventually.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they run mining scripts hidden on websites or delivered

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<v Speaker 2>via malware. It's stealthy, low risk for the criminal compared

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<v Speaker 2>to setting up their own mining rigs, and they target

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<v Speaker 2>anything with processing power. High traffic websites are prime targets.

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<v Speaker 2>There was one piece of malware some mom and rou

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<v Speaker 2>that compromised something like half a million machines just for crypto.

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<v Speaker 1>Mining, turning unsuspecting users into unwitting accomplices.

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<v Speaker 2>Essentially yes, using their electricity and computer resources.

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<v Speaker 1>The real world consequences of all this are just huge,

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<v Speaker 1>aren't they? And it's not just the big corporations or

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<v Speaker 1>governments getting hit.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's a key point from our sources. While big

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<v Speaker 2>breaches make headlines, the majority of cyber attacks actually target

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<v Speaker 2>small businesses.

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<v Speaker 1>Why them?

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<v Speaker 2>Often because they have fewer resources for robust cybersecurity defenses,

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<v Speaker 1>Makes sense. Are their stats on this?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? The FDI tracks something called Business Email compromise or

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<v Speaker 2>BC that's often targeted fishing, leading to fraudulent wire transfers.

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<v Speaker 2>The report showed losses exploding by thirteen hundred percent since

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<v Speaker 1>Three billion just from tricking people into sending money.

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<v Speaker 2>It's staggering, and it hits individuals too. Microsoft did a

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<v Speaker 1>The fake Microsoft support calls.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly or pop up saying your computer's infected. And behind

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<v Speaker 2>the scenes, cyber criminals are turning out something like one

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<v Speaker 2>point four million phishing websites, constantly trying to mimic legitimate

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<v Speaker 1>It really paints a picture of a constant, ongoing battle,

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<v Speaker 1>which leads us perfectly into the next part. Vulnerabilities, both

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<v Speaker 1>of this comes down to us, doesn't it our behavior online?

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<v Speaker 2>It absolutely does. Think about how much we willingly share

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<v Speaker 2>Precisely. Cyber criminals can easily gather this seemingly harmless info

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<v Speaker 1>Privacy fatigue. What's that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically where people just get tired of worrying about

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<v Speaker 2>online privacy all the time. There are so many data breaches,

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<v Speaker 2>so many complex settings, that they kind of give up

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<v Speaker 1>I can see that happening, just feeling overwhelmed exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That fatigue, that willingness to share it opens the door

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<v Speaker 1>for more direct exploitation, right like online harassment.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, things like cyber stocking where someone uses repeated online

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<v Speaker 2>messages or emails to frighten a harass a victim, or

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<v Speaker 2>cyber bullying using the internet to bully others, which can

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<v Speaker 2>even happen in the workplace, and cyber defamation spreading lies

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<v Speaker 1>It's weaponizing information and access, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And it can go to some really dark places. Our

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<v Speaker 1>That's deeply disturbing.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, And on a different note, technology also makes

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<v Speaker 2>things like academic cheating easier, or even document forgery, like

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<v Speaker 2>false pretenses. It's interesting too, how views on academic integrity

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<v Speaker 1>We've also seen these massive data breaches become almost routine news.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned Yahoo earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the twenty fourteen Yahoo breach was enormous, three billion

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<v Speaker 2>user accounts affected. That's set a terrifying record. Then Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not just tech companies.

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<v Speaker 2>Healthcare too, Absolutely critical sectors are prime targets. Singapore had

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<v Speaker 2>point five million patients, including their prime minister. The UK's

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<v Speaker 2>NHS has faced numerous data breaches. These aren't just technical glitches.

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<v Speaker 2>They seriously erode public trust.

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<v Speaker 1>And now we're seeing artificial intelligence enter the picture, making

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<v Speaker 2>Right. AI is becoming a powerful tool. Unfortunately for criminals too.

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<v Speaker 2>We're seeing AI used to create.

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<v Speaker 1>Deep fakes, those fake videos that look incredibly real.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly generating convincing but totally fabricated video and audio. There

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<v Speaker 2>are huge concerns about how this could be used for

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<v Speaker 2>political disinformation scams, or even horrifyingly, to create synthetic child pornography.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a nightmare scenario, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And researchers have even developed something called deep master prints.

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<v Speaker 2>These are AI generated sort of universal fingerprint templates that

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<v Speaker 2>can actually match a significant percentage of real fingerprints in

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<v Speaker 2>a database. One study showed they could match seventy seven

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<v Speaker 2>percent of users with only a one percent false match rate.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. So much for biometric security being foolproof.

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<v Speaker 2>It raises seria questions, and beyond that, AI is being

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<v Speaker 2>programmed to act as intelligent scanners, not just looking for

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<v Speaker 2>known security holes, but actively finding new undiscovered vulnerabilities in software.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like weaponizing AI's learning ability against our own defenses.

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<v Speaker 1>Which brings us straight to fake news and disinformation That

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<v Speaker 2>It certainly gained huge prominence then, and it's incredibly damaging.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just about spreading falsehoods. It's used to actively

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<v Speaker 2>undermine trust in institutions, fuel social tensions, and interfere directly

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<v Speaker 2>in political processes and.

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<v Speaker 1>Social media plays a big role.

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<v Speaker 2>A massive role. Social media often acts like an echo

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<v Speaker 2>chamber where you mainly see views you already agree with,

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<v Speaker 2>reinforcing your biases. And it's also an amplifier, spreading information

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<v Speaker 2>true or false incredibly quickly and widely. This combination really

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<v Speaker 2>fuels political polarization.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw documented cases of state actors getting involved too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the Russian state sponsored internet interference in the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six US election is a prime example of how disinformation

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<v Speaker 2>can be used as a tool in sort of hybrid warfare.

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<v Speaker 2>It's cheap, it's easy to spread via social media, and

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<v Speaker 2>it can be very effective.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe the most disturbing intersection of technology and crime

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<v Speaker 2>This is a truly devastating area. Traffickers exploit the Internet's

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<v Speaker 2>use social media, chat rooms, online classified ads like the

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<v Speaker 2>now defunct backpage dot com to find, lure, and sell

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerable people.

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<v Speaker 1>Are there numbers on how prevalent this is.

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<v Speaker 2>One INNGO Thorn reported that a shocking sixty three percent

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<v Speaker 2>of identified child victims were advertised online. Sixty three percent.

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<v Speaker 1>That's horrific. How do they manipulate victims online?

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<v Speaker 2>There's something called luring communication theory LCT. It outlines the

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<v Speaker 2>steps online predators often take. It usually starts with grooming,

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<v Speaker 2>building trust, making the victim feel special, isolating them. Then

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<v Speaker 2>they might move to communicative desensitization, gradually introducing inappropriate topics

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<v Speaker 2>and make them seem normal, and finally using verbal lead ins,

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<v Speaker 2>pushing boundaries with sexually suggestive language. It's a calculated, manipulative

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<v Speaker 2>process that's awful.

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<v Speaker 1>It's clear the threats are huge, constantly changing, and coming

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<v Speaker 1>from all angles. So face with all this, the big

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<v Speaker 2>It's a multi layered answer. Starting with individual actions, there

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<v Speaker 2>are some basic but absolutely crucial best practices.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what are the essentials?

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<v Speaker 2>First, be incredibly suspicious of unknown links or attachments in emails.

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<v Speaker 2>That's ground zero for phishing and malware. Don't click if

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<v Speaker 2>you're unsure. Second, keep your software updated, your operating system,

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<v Speaker 2>your browser, everything. Those updates often contain vital security patches

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<v Speaker 2>that fix known.

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<v Speaker 1>Holes, like digital vaccines exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Third, use a firewall. It acts like a filter, blocking

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<v Speaker 2>malicious traffic trying to get into your network. Fourth, passwords,

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<v Speaker 2>Please please use strong, unique passwords.

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<v Speaker 1>Not password one two three or one two, three, four, five, six.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely not think long at least ten maybe fifteen characters,

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<v Speaker 2>pass hraise a short, memorable sentence, and don't reuse passwords

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<v Speaker 2>across different sites.

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<v Speaker 1>Good advice anything else?

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<v Speaker 2>For individuals, Yes, backups Regularly backup your important data, photos, documents,

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<v Speaker 2>If ransomware hits, having a backup means you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's the individual level. What about organizations? They face

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<v Speaker 1>bigger threats, presumably need bigger defenses.

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<v Speaker 2>They absolutely do. For organizations, it's about continuous risk assessment

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<v Speaker 2>all hardware and software is updated, including antivirus is baseline.

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<v Speaker 1>Moving beyond just passwords too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, definitely using more complex authentication is key. Multi factor

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<v Speaker 2>authentication MFA should be standard wherever possible, combining something you

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<v Speaker 2>your phone or something you are like a fingerprint. There's

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<v Speaker 2>even advanced stuff like keystroke biometrics analyzing the unique rhythm

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, and specific industries like banking must have extra layers,

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<v Speaker 2>Debunking relies heavily on things like SSL certificates for encrypted connections,

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<v Speaker 2>strict security hitters, and systems like certificate transparency to constantly

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<v Speaker 2>verify website identities and prevents spoofing or man of the

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<v Speaker 1>Your connection and I guess AI is being used defensively too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Increasingly, deep learning and machine learning are powering advanced

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<v Speaker 2>anti fraud systems. They can analyze transaction patterns in real time,

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<v Speaker 2>spotting anomalies and suspicious behavior much faster than humans could.

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<v Speaker 1>What about things like blockchain and smart contracts? They have

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerabilities too, right they do.

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<v Speaker 2>Smart contract code needs rigorous auditing. Bugs can be catastrophic.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember that Ethereum contract flawback in twenty sixteen cost about

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<v Speaker 2>similar tools like capchas those prove your human tests are

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<v Speaker 1>Attacks, So lots of technical defenses. But you mentioned earlier

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<v Speaker 1>cybercrime ignores borders while laws are usually national. That sounds

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<v Speaker 2>It's a fundamental challenge. The borderless nature of cybercrime makes

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<v Speaker 2>international cooperation absolutely essential, but it's really difficult to achieve

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<v Speaker 2>effectively because legal systems, investigative powers, and even definitions of

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<v Speaker 2>crimes vary so much from country to country.

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<v Speaker 1>So what does the legal landscape actually look like? Is

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<v Speaker 2>Not really a single standard, more patchwork. You have major

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<v Speaker 2>efforts like the EU's General Data Protection Regulation GDPR, which

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<v Speaker 1>That made waves globally, it really did.

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<v Speaker 2>Then the UK you have the Computer Misuse Act, updated

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty fifteen to bring harsher penalties for serious cyber offenses.

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<v Speaker 2>Australia strengthened its laws in twenty twelve. Malaysia was actually

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<v Speaker 2>and the US has laws like the Patriot Act and

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<v Speaker 2>the Cloud Act, which controversially allow for searching data even

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<v Speaker 1>So a real mix of approaches and the goalposts keep

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<v Speaker 2>New challenges keep popping up. How do you effectively define

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<v Speaker 2>and regulate something like digital piracy? It's still debated. There's

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<v Speaker 2>the ongoing tension between protecting anonymous speech online which could

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<v Speaker 1>Enables difficult balances to strike very and.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a growing recognition that we need specific laws addressing

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<v Speaker 2>cyber violence against women and girls, Yeah, THEAWG not just

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<v Speaker 1>And the whole dark web. Ethical dilemma remains.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely How do you balance the legitimate need for privacy

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<v Speaker 2>and free expression that tools like tour provide against the

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<v Speaker 2>undeniable fact that criminals exploit that same technology. There are

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<v Speaker 2>no easy answers.

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<v Speaker 1>So thinking even bigger picture, maybe even the cyber warfare.

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<v Speaker 1>Are there international efforts to respond at that level?

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<v Speaker 2>There are initiatives. Google's Project Zero, for instance, is a

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<v Speaker 2>private sector effort, but it focuses on finding critical vulnerabilities

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<v Speaker 2>before attackers can exploit them, aiming to make the whole

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<v Speaker 2>ecosystem safer. There are also discussions about concepts like establishing

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<v Speaker 2>cyber buffer zones as part of international peacekeeping, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>highly theoretical right now. Getting global agreement and the necessary

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<v Speaker 2>technical expertise for something like that is incredibly challenging.

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<v Speaker 1>It really shows that securing cyberspace is this constant, complex,

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<v Speaker 1>global effort happening largely out of sight exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an ongoing battle on multiple fronts.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, we've covered so much ground today, from that visible

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<v Speaker 1>tip of the iceberg, the surface web, down into the

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<v Speaker 1>deep and dark webs, exploring the criminals tactics, the vulnerabilities

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<v Speaker 1>they exploit, and the ways we're trying to defend ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it's a world that's incredibly complex, constantly shifting,

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<v Speaker 1>and driven by the ingenuity of both the packers and

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<v Speaker 1>the defenders.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is, and it underlines how this dark side

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<v Speaker 2>isn't some far off abstract threat. It's deeply interwoven with

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<v Speaker 2>our technology, reflecting both human ingenuity and unfortunately, human flaws

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<v Speaker 2>and motivations. It shows how quickly that line between useful

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<v Speaker 2>innovation and dangerous exploitation can become blurred.

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<v Speaker 1>Which leaves us with a pretty challenging thought to end on,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't it. As technology gets more and more tangled up

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<v Speaker 1>in every part of our lives, our money, our relationships,

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<v Speaker 1>our health, our politics, are we maybe inadvertently trading away

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental values like privacy or security just for the sake

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<v Speaker 1>of digital convenience. And maybe more importantly, what's our shared responsibility?

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<v Speaker 1>Yours mine? Everyone listening in trying to build an online

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<v Speaker 1>future that's not just innovative, but also secure and well

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<v Speaker 1>ethical to
