WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:12.640 Callarogus Shark Media. Hi there, I'm Johnny Mack. My guest 2 00:00:12.679 --> 00:00:15.279 today is Mike Chisholm. He's the host of the Letterman 3 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:18.839 podcast Now If You Arnists recently discussed the top ten 4 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:20.480 late night hosts. I mentioned at the end of that 5 00:00:20.519 --> 00:00:22.920 episode that I clipped it and split off a piece 6 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:25.000 of that conversation to be its own thing. That is 7 00:00:25.079 --> 00:00:28.199 this piece that you're hearing today. Mike asked me about 8 00:00:28.239 --> 00:00:31.120 my list of the top comedy specials of twenty twenty five, 9 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:32.240 and let's jump in. 10 00:00:32.799 --> 00:00:34.159 I want to talk to you about your Billboard list. 11 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:35.159 I don't know if we do that here, if we 12 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:40.320 do that somewhere else or not, but I appreciated the 13 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:42.399 fact I totally disagree with you, but you had a 14 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:45.200 little bit of indignation when Norm McDonald appeared on the 15 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:46.799 list and I was like, wait a second, of course 16 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:49.119 he needs to be on the list. Norm is like 17 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:53.960 to me, But that brings it back to what is 18 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:55.799 the purpose of the list and how do you get 19 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:59.000 on the list? Is it because if it's tickets sold, 20 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:02.439 like a guy like Adam Sandler probably deserves to be 21 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:05.959 on that list, but like, like, what's the criteria? Right, 22 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:09.040 if it's tickets sold, nor McDonald probably doesn't deserve to 23 00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:11.760 be on that list, right, So like, where where do 24 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:13.400 you draw the lines at what categories? 25 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:13.640 You know? 26 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:15.519 Do you emerge them all together and they become something? 27 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:19.439 All right? Boboard's top twenty five comedians of the twenty 28 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:23.400 first century so far? So you asked the right question 29 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:26.879 of so first of all, with any of these lists, 30 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:29.799 and I say this all the time. Yes, my list, here, list, 31 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:32.439 somebody else's list. They're all valid. Right. So if you 32 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:34.079 said to me, come back next week and give me 33 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:37.000 your top ten late night hosts of all time, I'm 34 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:39.400 probably gonna flip your top two. And you know, does 35 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:41.719 it really matter that I have Carson one and Letterman two? Like? 36 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:45.920 Is that really right? We're fighting over we're spiritually saying 37 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:49.040 the same thing. When I look at the Billboard list, 38 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:51.319 there were some names on there that I was like, yeah, okay, 39 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:53.480 of course that makes a lot of sense, And then 40 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:55.680 some people I struggled with. One of the names I 41 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:58.599 called out was John Stewart, who earlier in this conversation 42 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:01.560 I put in some sort of hall of fame and 43 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:04.120 said nothing but great things about him. Do I think 44 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:07.000 of him as one of the great stand ups. I 45 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:10.280 don't he's He's currently out on tour with Pete Davidson 46 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:14.319 and I haven't seen him live recently, so maybe he's awesome, 47 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:16.759 but I just don't think of him that way. And 48 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:20.280 Norm MacDonald, Now please understand, Norm MacDonald has a comedy 49 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:22.479 album with I don't know what the titles of the 50 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:24.680 tracks are called, but there's a bit about the Fantastic Four, 51 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:28.560 and one about Superman and one about the the Let's 52 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:30.919 break this apart? Okay, you got time? Got time? Yes, 53 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:34.400 so the Fantastic for a bit, I'll do the poor 54 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:37.199 man's version of it until loose spoil for it, spoiler 55 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:39.439 for everybody. And again I'm not telling it right. But 56 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:43.000 the setup is Norm is read Richard's and he's giving 57 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:45.800 everyone their nicknames, and he's like, well, Sue, you know 58 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:49.520 you're uh, you're invisible, so you'll be the invisible woman. Okay, great, 59 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:52.759 great great? And Johnny you're uh, you know you light 60 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:55.360 on fire. You'll be the uh, we'll call you the 61 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:57.759 human torch. Okay, yeah, I like that. And me, I'm 62 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:00.879 a I'm a mister fantastic And they're like, well you 63 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:03.199 shouldn't you be like mister stretchy Man or something. No, No, 64 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:06.719 I'm mister Fantastic And it's a great bit. And then 65 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:10.800 the album goes on to the Disease Gambler sportscaster. Right, 66 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:13.039 so I don't know if you know this bit, but 67 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:17.719 they're calling the Jets game and and I don't know 68 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:20.080 if it's Dan Patrick. It's like somebody legit is calling 69 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:21.879 the games, like, you know, the Jets will line up 70 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:24.240 here for you know, a third and five. They don't 71 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:26.199 make this, you know, they'll have to punt, and Norm's 72 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:28.400 characters going, well, actually, you know, if they're gonna win 73 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:30.039 by six and a half, they should go for it 74 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:33.039 like that kind of humor because he's clearly got money 75 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:35.439 on the game, and that's hilarious. And then there's a 76 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:42.719 Superman bit where where nobody believes that Clark Kent is Superman. 77 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:44.879 They think somebody else is Superman. But because he wants 78 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:46.840 to hook up with Lois Lane, he's trying to convince 79 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:48.840 everyone that he is Superman. And it's just it's a 80 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:51.960 wonderful album, but it's all sketches. It's one of my 81 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:55.840 favorite comedy albums. It's fantastic, yep, but it's not stand up. 82 00:03:56.280 --> 00:04:00.680 Norms stand up, especially the posthumous special, is really good. 83 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:04.039 But I don't think of him as as a stand up. 84 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:09.319 I picture him doing OJ jokes behind the desk. Now, 85 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:11.759 I'm not throwing tomatoes at the idea of Norm McDonald, 86 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:13.840 but just I just wouldn't think of him as a 87 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:14.800 as a stand up. 88 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:18.600 Well, it's funny because I put him on the list 89 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:20.680 for the same reason that you celebrated putting a tel 90 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:23.920 on the list. He's a stand up stand up you 91 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:27.519 know at tel is is I don't you know, you 92 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:31.759 get guys along the way, you know, prior Kinnison to 93 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:34.920 some hicks, you know, some of these people that do 94 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:37.759 become like they're the they're the revered ones by the 95 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:41.959 comedians themselves. I think Norm is certainly that guy to 96 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:45.120 a certain group, and I think atl is as well. 97 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:47.759 So that I put Norman for that reason. I give 98 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:50.040 him the intangible reason because he probably doesn't have the 99 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:52.439 box office that some of the some of these other 100 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:56.439 people do. But at the same time, so many people 101 00:04:56.439 --> 00:04:58.079 revere him like like there's a part in The New 102 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:02.600 Letterman with Adam where where Adam Adam Sadler's talking about 103 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:04.639 being on tour the last tour all we do that 104 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:07.000 with Norm, and you just see Dave go all like 105 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:10.680 he like he has a thrill emotional reaction just to 106 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:13.600 hearing the first name of Norm MacDonald and and it's 107 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:15.399 there's so many people out there who feel that way 108 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:17.600 about Norm and and so I think that that's why 109 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:20.680 I think Mitch Heedberg sort of has a similar uh 110 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:26.360 almost almost an infa It's not infamy, but it's it's 111 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:28.759 it's a reverence. And I think he's got a similar 112 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:30.680 one as well. I put I put those guys in 113 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:32.839 the same category. All right, let's talk about Mitch and 114 00:05:32.839 --> 00:05:34.560 then I'll come back to a tell for me. Sure, 115 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:38.800 I think one of the truths of Mitch's career. 116 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:40.360 Is that it's short. 117 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:45.040 And I've had Hedberg related guests on the show, and 118 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:50.079 I do wonder twenty years into that style would he 119 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:53.160 have had to evolve. Around the time of his death, 120 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:56.199 he was starting to work more quickly because the crowd 121 00:05:56.279 --> 00:06:01.639 wouldn't let him stay in the slower pace. You've got 122 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:03.920 the two albums on the posthumous album, and that's the 123 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:05.720 body of work, and a couple of Letterman appearances and 124 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:09.040 a few random things, and it's all great. But what 125 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:12.279 happens if you tag twenty more years onto that see 126 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:15.199 our earlier discussion about Dane Cook, who nobody talks about now. 127 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:21.399 So is Mitch a shooting star? And that helps our 128 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:26.639 memory of Mitch probably As for David's till Johnny MANX 129 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:29.560 show me the body of work, I can't. But I've 130 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:32.319 been in rooms where Dave Tel shows up and does 131 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:35.279 it's not even crowd work. I'll call it crowd surfing. 132 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:38.040 You know, hey, what's going on here? Everybody? And he's 133 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:41.240 just kind of riffing and you're having a good time. 134 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:44.279 And back to my three am nuclear test of I 135 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:46.360 got to wake up comedian out of bed and go, hey, 136 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:47.759 I got a room of eighty people in the other 137 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:49.839 room and I need somebody to do twenty minutes. 138 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:50.319 Can you do it? 139 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:53.079 Hell be a pretty safe bet. 140 00:06:52.839 --> 00:06:57.399 There, absolutely, yeah, Like see, there you go. 141 00:06:57.600 --> 00:06:59.959 You articulated the point that I was trying to get across, 142 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:03.639 like show me the body of work. Well, but at 143 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:06.720 the same time you talk to he like I was 144 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:08.839 listening to Roga the other day and somebody somebody said, 145 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:10.240 oh yeah, and then. 146 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:12.240 A Tel showed up and Joe went, oh, like like 147 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:13.279 it's the same kind of thing. 148 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:13.600 Like it. 149 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:16.480 They just have reverence for a Tel like a Tel 150 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:20.480 is just that he's that guy. But again, you know, 151 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:23.040 when you're comparing him to a Nate Barghassi, you know 152 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:25.519 who's selling out stadiums all over the place, and they're 153 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:27.040 talking about a theme park. 154 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:27.920 They're talking about. 155 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:31.920 Theme parker, That's that's not real, right, there's nothing that 156 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:33.279 I think is real. 157 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:35.319 He's thinking that. 158 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:39.040 No, he's serious about it, So Nate, So again, guy 159 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:41.560 and guy recording a podcast in his basement. Shut up? 160 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:43.439 What do you know you're you're talking to sure people? 161 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:44.639 Shut up? I get it. 162 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:46.839 Well, Nate's you know, playing the hockey arena. 163 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:47.600 I get it. 164 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:50.360 But back to the three am test. If I got 165 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:52.000 to wake somebody out of bed and go hey, Nate, 166 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:53.639 I get eighty people in the other room and need 167 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:56.920 you to just uh, you know, crush twenty minutes, and 168 00:07:56.959 --> 00:07:58.759 he's going to go into a room cold and do 169 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:01.439 his act. I'll take a tell in that scenario. 170 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:04.360 Okay, So now that we're talking, yeah, I would too. 171 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:05.120 I would too. 172 00:08:06.199 --> 00:08:08.079 Now we're talking about Nate and we're talking about mitch 173 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:11.040 Heedburg and and at the end of the day, both 174 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:12.279 of these guys are characters. 175 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:14.759 They're both you know, Steve Stephen Wright. 176 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:17.160 I mean, okay, so mitch Heedberg, he might be like 177 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:20.040 a Stephen Wright right now, uh where where where he's 178 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:23.319 still to be been around and stayed on on, you know, 179 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:28.240 in that style. When Nate hosted what did he was it? 180 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:33.720 The wasn't the Emmys Crownies, No, the Emmys. 181 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:35.919 It was EMMI. It was the Emmies. Yeah, yeah, yah, 182 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:37.279 where he did the timer thing and all that. 183 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:39.799 By the way, we don't even know is the point, 184 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:41.480 but go ahead, we sure don't know. 185 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:44.360 We'd he's the same guy. He's the character. Like I 186 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:45.159 love the character. 187 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:48.840 I love the dumb you know, slightly slightly dim, you know, 188 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:51.159 like like like like I love the character that he 189 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:53.440 is when he's on stage. It's fantastic. But to me, 190 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:56.159 it's a little one dimensional. If you put it and 191 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:59.720 present it in the wrong place, I think it's gonna 192 00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:01.799 fall f I don't understand how it would go for 193 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:03.320 a theme like I don't. I don't understand how a 194 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:06.799 theme park would work, like I don't. 195 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:08.399 Know Nate Land the Family, Yeah, Lee Nashville base You know, 196 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:11.919 you go on the I don't know Nate Coaster and 197 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:13.080 I don't know. 198 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:13.679 I I don't. 199 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:17.080 I don't get it. I think he's insane. I think 200 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:19.399 it's hey, Wan of Eat is to where hockey read 201 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:22.240 is and and and be the highest grossing comedian. I 202 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:23.799 don't know why he would want to get into to 203 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:27.519 the theme park business. I don't understand. It's interesting. It's 204 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:29.360 interesting to say the least. But did you see the 205 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:30.320 trailer for the movie? 206 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:32.519 I haven't yet. I still haven't. 207 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:34.240 It's on my list of things to Yeah, I know 208 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:35.600 I've heard, I've heard things. 209 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:38.480 I now Kevin James was sick that day, I'll put 210 00:09:38.519 --> 00:09:38.919 it that way. 211 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:43.679 But it's so funny how how like Like when you 212 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:47.159 talk about how you know comedy is, it's it's it's 213 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:49.799 one of those things where you know it's contextualized through 214 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:51.960 the eye of the beholder and what their opinion is. 215 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:55.639 Like Like I did not watch Happy Gilmour two for 216 00:09:55.759 --> 00:09:59.799 a month based on hearing people's reaction to it, and 217 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:01.679 the the reason that was the case is because I 218 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:04.039 have a special place in my heart for the original 219 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:07.159 Happy Gilmore. I was in that perfect you know, late teen, 220 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:09.519 early twenty kind of kind of place. And my friends 221 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:11.720 and I went on and saw Happy Gilmore on opening night, 222 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:13.840 and we thought it was funny as all get out, 223 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:16.639 like we were the demographic for that movie. And when 224 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:19.639 I when this movie, when when the sequel came out, 225 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:21.159 I was excited to watch it, but then I heard 226 00:10:21.159 --> 00:10:23.960 the reactions for it. I watched the movie. I really 227 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:25.840 liked it. I thought it was I thought it was funny. 228 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:28.440 I enjoy I you know, so it's always in the 229 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:31.279 eye of the beholder. But yeah, like that being said 230 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:33.799 a theme park, I don't know. I just I don't. 231 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:35.080 I don't. I don't get it. 232 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:38.120 Well, I mean, for Happy Gilmore, we know that all 233 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:40.159 your opinions are stupid. You don't even have Johnny Carson 234 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:41.679 number one, so you don't know what you're talking about. 235 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:45.000 But talking about good Adam Sandler movies, they just see 236 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:48.159 j Kelly, great dramatic at gra Adam Sandlor. He's so goodness, 237 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:48.639 so good. 238 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:52.360 I watched it, do that. Watch yep, yep, yep, yep. 239 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:55.440 They're talking about Oscar buzz already like and then. 240 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:56.279 Helpe he wins. 241 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:57.360 I hope he wins too. 242 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:00.759 We need to because they didn't reward him for uncut gems. 243 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:03.679 They need to reward him this time and be like, Adam, 244 00:11:04.039 --> 00:11:04.559 you're free. 245 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:06.240 You're free. Now go do this. 246 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:08.679 You're free. You're free. If every couple of years you 247 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:10.480 need to like buy another mansion and you want to 248 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:14.320 do a sixteen city arena tour and then some dumb songs, Okay, 249 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:16.960 it's fine, but you don't need to make happy Gilmore three. 250 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:18.159 You don't need it. 251 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:24.519 Just just do this. What sing your dumb songs? 252 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:27.240 His songs make me cry, like like like that's that's 253 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:29.600 that's the thing I will watch if I'm in the 254 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:33.600 if I'm in the exact right mood, where all of 255 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:36.080 you know, my hormones and and and and pheromones and 256 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:38.279 all the things are mixed in the exact right way, 257 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:40.799 and I had the right the right day at the 258 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:43.039 office or the wrong day at the office perhaps, and 259 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:47.600 you put on Adam Sandler singing his David Letterman song 260 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:51.639 four days before Dave left. I cry like a baby, 261 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:53.480 like that guy can make me cry. I listened to 262 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:57.679 I listen to his song about Chris Farley. I cry 263 00:11:57.720 --> 00:11:58.399 like a baby. 264 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:00.000 Oh my gosh, does that guy. 265 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:03.399 I know how to manipulate emotions, like like all of them. 266 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:05.440 You know, certain people he can make laugh. I know, 267 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:08.360 not you, but certain people he can make laugh. But 268 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:11.879 like as an actor. I mean, and this is where 269 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:14.559 I think you'll really enjoy watching the Letterman thing, because 270 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:16.120 he talks about going to NYU to study to be 271 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:18.519 an actor. It had nothing really to do. Yes, he 272 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:20.159 did do stand up and things like that, but he 273 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:21.440 actually studied to be an actor. 274 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:24.600 And boy does it show. J Kelly was phenomenal. It 275 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:26.159 was so good. I loved it. 276 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:28.879 It was just it was a movie movie in an 277 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:32.519 error where everything is shorthand the Avengers with fast cuts 278 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:35.039 and special effects and explosions, and I live on Old 279 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:37.879 Man Mountain and admit it fun. But this was a 280 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:41.440 movie movie with characters and a plot. And I don't 281 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:43.639 need three sequels. I don't need J. Kelly too to 282 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:45.399 find out what happened to him. Like, it's good, you 283 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:48.759 tell the story. We're out. And it was great. And Sandler, 284 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:51.279 the great dramatic actor, Adam Sandler is really good in it. 285 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:54.120 I hope he wins an Academy Award hosted by Codin O'Brien. 286 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:57.240 Oh wouldn't that be fun? 287 00:12:57.679 --> 00:12:57.879 Oh? 288 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:01.039 God, I didn't even think about that, like like like 289 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:04.399 let him even talk to Sandler about about the Mark 290 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:06.320 Twain Awards and and how cool it was. And I 291 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:08.240 liked Sandler on the on the twenty Awards. I thought 292 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:11.159 it was a clever bit that he did. But the 293 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:14.879 idea that they were on that stage, you know, a 294 00:13:14.919 --> 00:13:16.960 few months ago, and in a couple of months, they 295 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:20.320 could be on the stage together and and Sandler could 296 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:20.960 win an oscar. 297 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:23.879 That's that's captured. That's captured the whimsy. I love that. 298 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:25.600 I love that idea. That's a great style. 299 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:29.200 I'm starting to really respect a part of Saandlor because 300 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:32.559 I also liked to dress comfortable. So I like the 301 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:34.720 way he dresses and I understand it. And he's a 302 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:37.200 family guy and I'm a family guy, so I understand that. 303 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:41.000 And if Netflix offers you fifty million dollars to do 304 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:44.879 Happy Gilmore three, I kind of understand holding your nose 305 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:48.559 and doing it. I get it. But you know, hey, 306 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:51.519 traumatic chops, make some more of that in between the 307 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:52.080 dumb stuff? 308 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:52.639 Yeah? 309 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:55.480 Please do. I mean they even showed it. They showed 310 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:58.039 a clip of uncut gems in the in the the 311 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:00.559 My next guest, I looked at it and. 312 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:01.320 She went ool. 313 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:04.120 Adam Saylor is indeed a great dramatic actor. We'll take 314 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:05.879 the break here, come right back. We'll talk a little 315 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:11.080 more about Dave Chappelle with Mike Chisholm. Mike Chisholm is 316 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:13.759 the host of The Letterman podcast, and he wanted to 317 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:15.159 talk Dave Chappelle. 318 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:16.440 We need to talk about Chappelle. 319 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:21.720 I've watched this thing three times and uh, oh, well, 320 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:24.519 it just it was so masterful, like like I wanted 321 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:27.279 to hear him talk about Riod more than once. 322 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:29.080 Like, actually, that's what I when I watched it the 323 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:29.480 second time. 324 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:32.000 It's okay, I want to okay, because the closing bit 325 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:33.000 was phenomenal. 326 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:33.720 I don't know how. 327 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:36.320 Many threads he took and then tied them all together 328 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:38.120 in a beautiful bow at the end, maybe five or 329 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:40.840 six of them. That closer was amazing. But then I 330 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:42.600 wanted to go back and listen to him talk about 331 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:45.639 Riod again. And so here's my question for you when 332 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:49.000 you hear because you have a different perspective when it 333 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:52.200 comes to comics, like the blurring of the line of 334 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:57.919 a stand up act of making up ridiculous things because 335 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:00.159 it's funny and and and clearly these things are not 336 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.480 true versus this is autobiographical. I'm gonna go through some 337 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:05.559 of this stuff and then I'm gonna make jokes around it. 338 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:10.679 Right to me, Dave has done maybe the best job 339 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:12.919 of everybody of bloring those lines where you don't know 340 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:14.960 if he's being serious. You don't know if he's being ridiculous. 341 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:17.519 You don't know if it's satire or if it's just 342 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:21.519 complete horseshit. You know, you just don't know. I was 343 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:24.200 very curious as to what your reaction was when he 344 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:28.039 talked about Riod. Sure, so let me back it up 345 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:28.919 a level. 346 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:33.720 If when I was really involved being around comedy all 347 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:36.679 day my years, it's serious, especially when I was listening 348 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:39.519 to stand up eight ten hours a day, all the time, 349 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:42.679 just listening to everybody's best material in the version they 350 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:46.720 chose to release, I really was able to see and 351 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:49.600 hear the matrix. For those of us who are ancient 352 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:52.679 and in grade school, how to graph sentences, Remember that 353 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:54.840 underline the noun and all the circle the verb and 354 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:57.480 all that. Yep, So I was able to start to 355 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:01.759 really see, Okay, here's how how it goes. Here's a premise. 356 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:04.399 Now I'm going to here's a premise based in truth. 357 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:07.799 Now I'm going to slightly exaggerate it. Now I'm going 358 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:09.679 to add the third thing that didn't happen at all, 359 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:11.759 but it's funny. And now I'm going to circle back 360 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:14.159 to the original premise. And if you break apart of 361 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:17.720 a lot of stand up, it does follow that set up. 362 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:20.639 So there are a lot of times I can see 363 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:23.159 a punchline coming. I remember when I went to see 364 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:27.440 Craig Ferguson, he dropped a random name like twenty four 365 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:29.960 minutes into the set, and I'm like, one percent, that's 366 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.320 a callback, And I just sat there for the rest 367 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:35.840 of the show waiting for him to throw back to 368 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:38.240 the random celebrity. I won't spoil it because the special 369 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:40.799 is out, but I'm like, this is just going. 370 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:41.279 To come back. 371 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:47.799 So, you know, I I believe Dave when he says 372 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:52.799 what he says, and I'm sure he exaggerated some of 373 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:55.279 the jokes. Should we go spoilers here? People had? 374 00:16:57.279 --> 00:16:58.639 I know, I think, so, okay, we're going to talk 375 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:00.720 about Chabelle special. We're gonna break it down. 376 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:04.519 Wailers, everybody, uh the you know, the Falcon joke and 377 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:08.480 the falcon callback is the funniest thing in the whole thing. 378 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:13.559 And he uses the falcon joke and is defiant about 379 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:17.839 the blowback on some of his transgender material, and it's hilarious. 380 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:20.720 And here's a guy doing his craft and he's telling 381 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:22.960 us I heard you and I don't give a hoot 382 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:28.319 and getting laughs out of it. So, you know, I 383 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:32.519 I think it's reality exaggerated for comedic effect. You know, 384 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:34.519 I don't think. I don't think he's going home at 385 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:36.640 night going on. I shouldn't have done that, but right 386 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:38.839 I gotta come up with ten minutes of material. I 387 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:39.920 think it's all based in truth. 388 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:43.960 Yep, there you go. I love. I love. 389 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:45.799 Also, we'll go back to your show for a second 390 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:48.720 here whenever Riodd comes up. You know you've got a 391 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:52.319 bit kind of on that as well. Are you open 392 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:55.160 to talking about like like when Zoe was on here 393 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:57.799 a few weeks ago, I talked to her about about 394 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:00.599 real like like, do you actually have an opinion about 395 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:03.119 comedians going over there and and being part of that 396 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:06.000 or is it all you know, I'm just going to 397 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:09.039 talk about people blowing up about it, and I'm going 398 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:10.039 to make a little bit of fun of that. 399 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:13.759 I'll take you on my journey. Had you come to 400 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:16.079 me earlier in the year and said, Hey, there's a 401 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:17.960