Speaker 1: Callarogus Shark Media. Hi there, I'm Johnny Mack. My guest
Speaker 1: today is Mike Chisholm. He's the host of the Letterman
Speaker 1: podcast Now If You Arnists recently discussed the top ten
Speaker 1: late night hosts. I mentioned at the end of that
Speaker 1: episode that I clipped it and split off a piece
Speaker 1: of that conversation to be its own thing. That is
Speaker 1: this piece that you're hearing today. Mike asked me about
Speaker 1: my list of the top comedy specials of twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: and let's jump in.
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about your Billboard list.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we do that here, if we
Speaker 2: do that somewhere else or not, but I appreciated the
Speaker 2: fact I totally disagree with you, but you had a
Speaker 2: little bit of indignation when Norm McDonald appeared on the
Speaker 2: list and I was like, wait a second, of course
Speaker 2: he needs to be on the list. Norm is like
Speaker 2: to me, But that brings it back to what is
Speaker 2: the purpose of the list and how do you get
Speaker 2: on the list? Is it because if it's tickets sold,
Speaker 2: like a guy like Adam Sandler probably deserves to be
Speaker 2: on that list, but like, like, what's the criteria? Right,
Speaker 2: if it's tickets sold, nor McDonald probably doesn't deserve to
Speaker 2: be on that list, right, So like, where where do
Speaker 2: you draw the lines at what categories?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Do you emerge them all together and they become something?
Speaker 1: All right? Boboard's top twenty five comedians of the twenty
Speaker 1: first century so far? So you asked the right question
Speaker 1: of so first of all, with any of these lists,
Speaker 1: and I say this all the time. Yes, my list, here, list,
Speaker 1: somebody else's list. They're all valid. Right. So if you
Speaker 1: said to me, come back next week and give me
Speaker 1: your top ten late night hosts of all time, I'm
Speaker 1: probably gonna flip your top two. And you know, does
Speaker 1: it really matter that I have Carson one and Letterman two? Like?
Speaker 1: Is that really right? We're fighting over we're spiritually saying
Speaker 1: the same thing. When I look at the Billboard list,
Speaker 1: there were some names on there that I was like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: of course that makes a lot of sense, And then
Speaker 1: some people I struggled with. One of the names I
Speaker 1: called out was John Stewart, who earlier in this conversation
Speaker 1: I put in some sort of hall of fame and
Speaker 1: said nothing but great things about him. Do I think
Speaker 1: of him as one of the great stand ups. I
Speaker 1: don't he's He's currently out on tour with Pete Davidson
Speaker 1: and I haven't seen him live recently, so maybe he's awesome,
Speaker 1: but I just don't think of him that way. And
Speaker 1: Norm MacDonald, Now please understand, Norm MacDonald has a comedy
Speaker 1: album with I don't know what the titles of the
Speaker 1: tracks are called, but there's a bit about the Fantastic Four,
Speaker 1: and one about Superman and one about the the Let's
Speaker 1: break this apart? Okay, you got time? Got time? Yes,
Speaker 1: so the Fantastic for a bit, I'll do the poor
Speaker 1: man's version of it until loose spoil for it, spoiler
Speaker 1: for everybody. And again I'm not telling it right. But
Speaker 1: the setup is Norm is read Richard's and he's giving
Speaker 1: everyone their nicknames, and he's like, well, Sue, you know
Speaker 1: you're uh, you're invisible, so you'll be the invisible woman. Okay, great,
Speaker 1: great great? And Johnny you're uh, you know you light
Speaker 1: on fire. You'll be the uh, we'll call you the
Speaker 1: human torch. Okay, yeah, I like that. And me, I'm
Speaker 1: a I'm a mister fantastic And they're like, well you
Speaker 1: shouldn't you be like mister stretchy Man or something. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm mister Fantastic And it's a great bit. And then
Speaker 1: the album goes on to the Disease Gambler sportscaster. Right,
Speaker 1: so I don't know if you know this bit, but
Speaker 1: they're calling the Jets game and and I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's Dan Patrick. It's like somebody legit is calling
Speaker 1: the games, like, you know, the Jets will line up
Speaker 1: here for you know, a third and five. They don't
Speaker 1: make this, you know, they'll have to punt, and Norm's
Speaker 1: characters going, well, actually, you know, if they're gonna win
Speaker 1: by six and a half, they should go for it
Speaker 1: like that kind of humor because he's clearly got money
Speaker 1: on the game, and that's hilarious. And then there's a
Speaker 1: Superman bit where where nobody believes that Clark Kent is Superman.
Speaker 1: They think somebody else is Superman. But because he wants
Speaker 1: to hook up with Lois Lane, he's trying to convince
Speaker 1: everyone that he is Superman. And it's just it's a
Speaker 1: wonderful album, but it's all sketches. It's one of my
Speaker 1: favorite comedy albums. It's fantastic, yep, but it's not stand up.
Speaker 1: Norms stand up, especially the posthumous special, is really good.
Speaker 1: But I don't think of him as as a stand up.
Speaker 1: I picture him doing OJ jokes behind the desk. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not throwing tomatoes at the idea of Norm McDonald,
Speaker 1: but just I just wouldn't think of him as a
Speaker 1: as a stand up.
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because I put him on the list
Speaker 2: for the same reason that you celebrated putting a tel
Speaker 2: on the list. He's a stand up stand up you
Speaker 2: know at tel is is I don't you know, you
Speaker 2: get guys along the way, you know, prior Kinnison to
Speaker 2: some hicks, you know, some of these people that do
Speaker 2: become like they're the they're the revered ones by the
Speaker 2: comedians themselves. I think Norm is certainly that guy to
Speaker 2: a certain group, and I think atl is as well.
Speaker 2: So that I put Norman for that reason. I give
Speaker 2: him the intangible reason because he probably doesn't have the
Speaker 2: box office that some of the some of these other
Speaker 2: people do. But at the same time, so many people
Speaker 2: revere him like like there's a part in The New
Speaker 2: Letterman with Adam where where Adam Adam Sadler's talking about
Speaker 2: being on tour the last tour all we do that
Speaker 2: with Norm, and you just see Dave go all like
Speaker 2: he like he has a thrill emotional reaction just to
Speaker 2: hearing the first name of Norm MacDonald and and it's
Speaker 2: there's so many people out there who feel that way
Speaker 2: about Norm and and so I think that that's why
Speaker 2: I think Mitch Heedberg sort of has a similar uh
Speaker 2: almost almost an infa It's not infamy, but it's it's
Speaker 2: it's a reverence. And I think he's got a similar
Speaker 2: one as well. I put I put those guys in
Speaker 2: the same category. All right, let's talk about Mitch and
Speaker 2: then I'll come back to a tell for me. Sure,
Speaker 2: I think one of the truths of Mitch's career.
Speaker 3: Is that it's short.
Speaker 1: And I've had Hedberg related guests on the show, and
Speaker 1: I do wonder twenty years into that style would he
Speaker 1: have had to evolve. Around the time of his death,
Speaker 1: he was starting to work more quickly because the crowd
Speaker 1: wouldn't let him stay in the slower pace. You've got
Speaker 1: the two albums on the posthumous album, and that's the
Speaker 1: body of work, and a couple of Letterman appearances and
Speaker 1: a few random things, and it's all great. But what
Speaker 1: happens if you tag twenty more years onto that see
Speaker 1: our earlier discussion about Dane Cook, who nobody talks about now.
Speaker 1: So is Mitch a shooting star? And that helps our
Speaker 1: memory of Mitch probably As for David's till Johnny MANX
Speaker 1: show me the body of work, I can't. But I've
Speaker 1: been in rooms where Dave Tel shows up and does
Speaker 1: it's not even crowd work. I'll call it crowd surfing.
Speaker 1: You know, hey, what's going on here? Everybody? And he's
Speaker 1: just kind of riffing and you're having a good time.
Speaker 1: And back to my three am nuclear test of I
Speaker 1: got to wake up comedian out of bed and go, hey,
Speaker 1: I got a room of eighty people in the other
Speaker 1: room and I need somebody to do twenty minutes.
Speaker 3: Can you do it?
Speaker 1: Hell be a pretty safe bet.
Speaker 3: There, absolutely, yeah, Like see, there you go.
Speaker 2: You articulated the point that I was trying to get across,
Speaker 2: like show me the body of work. Well, but at
Speaker 2: the same time you talk to he like I was
Speaker 2: listening to Roga the other day and somebody somebody said,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, and then.
Speaker 3: A Tel showed up and Joe went, oh, like like
Speaker 3: it's the same kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Like it.
Speaker 2: They just have reverence for a Tel like a Tel
Speaker 2: is just that he's that guy. But again, you know,
Speaker 2: when you're comparing him to a Nate Barghassi, you know
Speaker 2: who's selling out stadiums all over the place, and they're
Speaker 2: talking about a theme park.
Speaker 3: They're talking about.
Speaker 2: Theme parker, That's that's not real, right, there's nothing that
Speaker 2: I think is real.
Speaker 3: He's thinking that.
Speaker 1: No, he's serious about it, So Nate, So again, guy
Speaker 1: and guy recording a podcast in his basement. Shut up?
Speaker 1: What do you know you're you're talking to sure people?
Speaker 3: Shut up? I get it.
Speaker 1: Well, Nate's you know, playing the hockey arena.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 1: But back to the three am test. If I got
Speaker 1: to wake somebody out of bed and go hey, Nate,
Speaker 1: I get eighty people in the other room and need
Speaker 1: you to just uh, you know, crush twenty minutes, and
Speaker 1: he's going to go into a room cold and do
Speaker 1: his act. I'll take a tell in that scenario.
Speaker 3: Okay, So now that we're talking, yeah, I would too.
Speaker 3: I would too.
Speaker 2: Now we're talking about Nate and we're talking about mitch
Speaker 2: Heedburg and and at the end of the day, both
Speaker 2: of these guys are characters.
Speaker 3: They're both you know, Steve Stephen Wright.
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, so mitch Heedberg, he might be like
Speaker 2: a Stephen Wright right now, uh where where where he's
Speaker 2: still to be been around and stayed on on, you know,
Speaker 2: in that style. When Nate hosted what did he was it?
Speaker 1: The wasn't the Emmys Crownies, No, the Emmys.
Speaker 3: It was EMMI. It was the Emmies. Yeah, yeah, yah,
Speaker 3: where he did the timer thing and all that.
Speaker 1: By the way, we don't even know is the point,
Speaker 1: but go ahead, we sure don't know.
Speaker 3: We'd he's the same guy. He's the character. Like I
Speaker 3: love the character.
Speaker 2: I love the dumb you know, slightly slightly dim, you know,
Speaker 2: like like like like I love the character that he
Speaker 2: is when he's on stage. It's fantastic. But to me,
Speaker 2: it's a little one dimensional. If you put it and
Speaker 2: present it in the wrong place, I think it's gonna
Speaker 2: fall f I don't understand how it would go for
Speaker 2: a theme like I don't. I don't understand how a
Speaker 2: theme park would work, like I don't.
Speaker 1: Know Nate Land the Family, Yeah, Lee Nashville base You know,
Speaker 1: you go on the I don't know Nate Coaster and
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I think he's insane. I think
Speaker 1: it's hey, Wan of Eat is to where hockey read
Speaker 1: is and and and be the highest grossing comedian. I
Speaker 1: don't know why he would want to get into to
Speaker 1: the theme park business. I don't understand. It's interesting. It's
Speaker 1: interesting to say the least. But did you see the
Speaker 1: trailer for the movie?
Speaker 3: I haven't yet. I still haven't.
Speaker 2: It's on my list of things to Yeah, I know
Speaker 2: I've heard, I've heard things.
Speaker 1: I now Kevin James was sick that day, I'll put
Speaker 1: it that way.
Speaker 2: But it's so funny how how like Like when you
Speaker 2: talk about how you know comedy is, it's it's it's
Speaker 2: one of those things where you know it's contextualized through
Speaker 2: the eye of the beholder and what their opinion is.
Speaker 2: Like Like I did not watch Happy Gilmour two for
Speaker 2: a month based on hearing people's reaction to it, and
Speaker 2: the the reason that was the case is because I
Speaker 2: have a special place in my heart for the original
Speaker 2: Happy Gilmore. I was in that perfect you know, late teen,
Speaker 2: early twenty kind of kind of place. And my friends
Speaker 2: and I went on and saw Happy Gilmore on opening night,
Speaker 2: and we thought it was funny as all get out,
Speaker 2: like we were the demographic for that movie. And when
Speaker 2: I when this movie, when when the sequel came out,
Speaker 2: I was excited to watch it, but then I heard
Speaker 2: the reactions for it. I watched the movie. I really
Speaker 2: liked it. I thought it was I thought it was funny.
Speaker 2: I enjoy I you know, so it's always in the
Speaker 2: eye of the beholder. But yeah, like that being said
Speaker 2: a theme park, I don't know. I just I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, for Happy Gilmore, we know that all
Speaker 1: your opinions are stupid. You don't even have Johnny Carson
Speaker 1: number one, so you don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: But talking about good Adam Sandler movies, they just see
Speaker 1: j Kelly, great dramatic at gra Adam Sandlor. He's so goodness,
Speaker 1: so good.
Speaker 3: I watched it, do that. Watch yep, yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 3: They're talking about Oscar buzz already like and then.
Speaker 1: Helpe he wins.
Speaker 3: I hope he wins too.
Speaker 1: We need to because they didn't reward him for uncut gems.
Speaker 1: They need to reward him this time and be like, Adam,
Speaker 1: you're free.
Speaker 3: You're free. Now go do this.
Speaker 1: You're free. You're free. If every couple of years you
Speaker 1: need to like buy another mansion and you want to
Speaker 1: do a sixteen city arena tour and then some dumb songs, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's fine, but you don't need to make happy Gilmore three.
Speaker 1: You don't need it.
Speaker 3: Just just do this. What sing your dumb songs?
Speaker 2: His songs make me cry, like like like that's that's
Speaker 2: that's the thing I will watch if I'm in the
Speaker 2: if I'm in the exact right mood, where all of
Speaker 2: you know, my hormones and and and and pheromones and
Speaker 2: all the things are mixed in the exact right way,
Speaker 2: and I had the right the right day at the
Speaker 2: office or the wrong day at the office perhaps, and
Speaker 2: you put on Adam Sandler singing his David Letterman song
Speaker 2: four days before Dave left. I cry like a baby,
Speaker 2: like that guy can make me cry. I listened to
Speaker 2: I listen to his song about Chris Farley. I cry
Speaker 2: like a baby.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, does that guy.
Speaker 2: I know how to manipulate emotions, like like all of them.
Speaker 2: You know, certain people he can make laugh. I know,
Speaker 2: not you, but certain people he can make laugh. But
Speaker 2: like as an actor. I mean, and this is where
Speaker 2: I think you'll really enjoy watching the Letterman thing, because
Speaker 2: he talks about going to NYU to study to be
Speaker 2: an actor. It had nothing really to do. Yes, he
Speaker 2: did do stand up and things like that, but he
Speaker 2: actually studied to be an actor.
Speaker 3: And boy does it show. J Kelly was phenomenal. It
Speaker 3: was so good. I loved it.
Speaker 1: It was just it was a movie movie in an
Speaker 1: error where everything is shorthand the Avengers with fast cuts
Speaker 1: and special effects and explosions, and I live on Old
Speaker 1: Man Mountain and admit it fun. But this was a
Speaker 1: movie movie with characters and a plot. And I don't
Speaker 1: need three sequels. I don't need J. Kelly too to
Speaker 1: find out what happened to him. Like, it's good, you
Speaker 1: tell the story. We're out. And it was great. And Sandler,
Speaker 1: the great dramatic actor, Adam Sandler is really good in it.
Speaker 1: I hope he wins an Academy Award hosted by Codin O'Brien.
Speaker 3: Oh wouldn't that be fun?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: God, I didn't even think about that, like like like
Speaker 2: let him even talk to Sandler about about the Mark
Speaker 2: Twain Awards and and how cool it was. And I
Speaker 2: liked Sandler on the on the twenty Awards. I thought
Speaker 2: it was a clever bit that he did. But the
Speaker 2: idea that they were on that stage, you know, a
Speaker 2: few months ago, and in a couple of months, they
Speaker 2: could be on the stage together and and Sandler could
Speaker 2: win an oscar.
Speaker 3: That's that's captured. That's captured the whimsy. I love that.
Speaker 3: I love that idea. That's a great style.
Speaker 1: I'm starting to really respect a part of Saandlor because
Speaker 1: I also liked to dress comfortable. So I like the
Speaker 1: way he dresses and I understand it. And he's a
Speaker 1: family guy and I'm a family guy, so I understand that.
Speaker 1: And if Netflix offers you fifty million dollars to do
Speaker 1: Happy Gilmore three, I kind of understand holding your nose
Speaker 1: and doing it. I get it. But you know, hey,
Speaker 1: traumatic chops, make some more of that in between the
Speaker 1: dumb stuff?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Please do. I mean they even showed it. They showed
Speaker 2: a clip of uncut gems in the in the the
Speaker 2: My next guest, I looked at it and.
Speaker 3: She went ool.
Speaker 1: Adam Saylor is indeed a great dramatic actor. We'll take
Speaker 1: the break here, come right back. We'll talk a little
Speaker 1: more about Dave Chappelle with Mike Chisholm. Mike Chisholm is
Speaker 1: the host of The Letterman podcast, and he wanted to
Speaker 1: talk Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 3: We need to talk about Chappelle.
Speaker 2: I've watched this thing three times and uh, oh, well,
Speaker 2: it just it was so masterful, like like I wanted
Speaker 2: to hear him talk about Riod more than once.
Speaker 3: Like, actually, that's what I when I watched it the
Speaker 3: second time.
Speaker 2: It's okay, I want to okay, because the closing bit
Speaker 2: was phenomenal.
Speaker 3: I don't know how.
Speaker 2: Many threads he took and then tied them all together
Speaker 2: in a beautiful bow at the end, maybe five or
Speaker 2: six of them. That closer was amazing. But then I
Speaker 2: wanted to go back and listen to him talk about
Speaker 2: Riod again. And so here's my question for you when
Speaker 2: you hear because you have a different perspective when it
Speaker 2: comes to comics, like the blurring of the line of
Speaker 2: a stand up act of making up ridiculous things because
Speaker 2: it's funny and and and clearly these things are not
Speaker 2: true versus this is autobiographical. I'm gonna go through some
Speaker 2: of this stuff and then I'm gonna make jokes around it.
Speaker 2: Right to me, Dave has done maybe the best job
Speaker 2: of everybody of bloring those lines where you don't know
Speaker 2: if he's being serious. You don't know if he's being ridiculous.
Speaker 2: You don't know if it's satire or if it's just
Speaker 2: complete horseshit. You know, you just don't know. I was
Speaker 2: very curious as to what your reaction was when he
Speaker 2: talked about Riod. Sure, so let me back it up
Speaker 2: a level.
Speaker 1: If when I was really involved being around comedy all
Speaker 1: day my years, it's serious, especially when I was listening
Speaker 1: to stand up eight ten hours a day, all the time,
Speaker 1: just listening to everybody's best material in the version they
Speaker 1: chose to release, I really was able to see and
Speaker 1: hear the matrix. For those of us who are ancient
Speaker 1: and in grade school, how to graph sentences, Remember that
Speaker 1: underline the noun and all the circle the verb and
Speaker 1: all that. Yep, So I was able to start to
Speaker 1: really see, Okay, here's how how it goes. Here's a premise.
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to here's a premise based in truth.
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to slightly exaggerate it. Now I'm going
Speaker 1: to add the third thing that didn't happen at all,
Speaker 1: but it's funny. And now I'm going to circle back
Speaker 1: to the original premise. And if you break apart of
Speaker 1: a lot of stand up, it does follow that set up.
Speaker 1: So there are a lot of times I can see
Speaker 1: a punchline coming. I remember when I went to see
Speaker 1: Craig Ferguson, he dropped a random name like twenty four
Speaker 1: minutes into the set, and I'm like, one percent, that's
Speaker 1: a callback, And I just sat there for the rest
Speaker 1: of the show waiting for him to throw back to
Speaker 1: the random celebrity. I won't spoil it because the special
Speaker 1: is out, but I'm like, this is just going.
Speaker 3: To come back.
Speaker 1: So, you know, I I believe Dave when he says
Speaker 1: what he says, and I'm sure he exaggerated some of
Speaker 1: the jokes. Should we go spoilers here? People had?
Speaker 3: I know, I think, so, okay, we're going to talk
Speaker 3: about Chabelle special. We're gonna break it down.
Speaker 1: Wailers, everybody, uh the you know, the Falcon joke and
Speaker 1: the falcon callback is the funniest thing in the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And he uses the falcon joke and is defiant about
Speaker 1: the blowback on some of his transgender material, and it's hilarious.
Speaker 1: And here's a guy doing his craft and he's telling
Speaker 1: us I heard you and I don't give a hoot
Speaker 1: and getting laughs out of it. So, you know, I
Speaker 1: I think it's reality exaggerated for comedic effect. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think he's going home at
Speaker 1: night going on. I shouldn't have done that, but right
Speaker 1: I gotta come up with ten minutes of material. I
Speaker 1: think it's all based in truth.
Speaker 3: Yep, there you go. I love. I love.
Speaker 2: Also, we'll go back to your show for a second
Speaker 2: here whenever Riodd comes up. You know you've got a
Speaker 2: bit kind of on that as well. Are you open
Speaker 2: to talking about like like when Zoe was on here
Speaker 2: a few weeks ago, I talked to her about about
Speaker 2: real like like, do you actually have an opinion about
Speaker 2: comedians going over there and and being part of that
Speaker 2: or is it all you know, I'm just going to
Speaker 2: talk about people blowing up about it, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to make a little bit of fun of that.
Speaker 1: I'll take you on my journey. Had you come to
Speaker 1: me earlier in the year and said, Hey, there's a
Speaker 1: real comedy festival. I hear you do the show. It's
Speaker 1: called Daily Comedy News. Do you want to come and
Speaker 1: cover it? I say yes, I would. I will. Oh wow.
Speaker 1: I get to go to Riot and they're paying for it,
Speaker 1: and I'm staying at this cool hotel and I to
Speaker 1: get Chappelle backstage, and I get time with Bill Burrn.
Speaker 1: I'm getting all this great content. Yep, sign me up,
Speaker 1: no problem. So I don't want to be a hypocrite
Speaker 1: with that. As we got closer to it and it
Speaker 1: became more of an issue and I thought more about it,
Speaker 1: it just seemed a little weird. I kind of have
Speaker 1: landed on. I respect Pete Davidson going they paid well.
Speaker 1: I don't know at all relate to Pete Davidson and
Speaker 1: the nine to eleven can ation to this whole story
Speaker 1: and Pete Pete just being like they paid well whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, Like, I think my father passed away of cancer.
Speaker 1: So I think if Lucky Strike Cigarettes wanted to sponsor
Speaker 1: Daily Comedy News, I just wouldn't do it. It would
Speaker 1: just feel weird to me, right, so so I just
Speaker 1: wouldn't take their money. But again, hey, John, it's one
Speaker 1: hundred billion dollars. That's generational wealth. You sure you don't
Speaker 1: want to say Daily Comedy is brought to you by
Speaker 1: Lucky Strike for twelve months and it's a fucking podcast
Speaker 1: and who cares? You know, Sorry, Chris, but maybe, but
Speaker 1: maybe I maybe I get there, So I don't want
Speaker 1: to be too holier than now. So the Pete Davidson
Speaker 1: part of it of just hey paid really well, okay,
Speaker 1: Kevin Hart took another paycheck. He you know, clearly Kevin
Speaker 1: Hart likes paychecks, and we'll take a paycheck for everything.
Speaker 1: He has the second best special of the year, by
Speaker 1: the way, he's hilarious.
Speaker 3: Very good. It's very good.
Speaker 1: But okay, but then when you get into Burr and
Speaker 1: Bill Burr, you know they're just like, I guess they
Speaker 1: got a Chipotle, Like what what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Like it was like he needed to like retrofit his
Speaker 1: defense of why he went there or as if if
Speaker 1: if classic Bill Burger just went you know what, they
Speaker 1: maaybe three out of fifty grand f you yeah, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so I think I've landed on that. So and there's
Speaker 1: been zero, zero blowback on anyone's career. No one, anyone
Speaker 1: who played there is doing just as well. So they
Speaker 1: all got there, they all got their paycheck. Is there?
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a point too, We have to start these
Speaker 1: conversations somewhere, So Jessica Kerson doing her thing maybe opens
Speaker 1: up some sort of small door. Only time will tell
Speaker 1: if that is true or not. If there's a ri
Speaker 1: Odd Comedy Festival twenty twenty six and the twelve names
Speaker 1: come out of it, I don't think it'll be such
Speaker 1: a big thing. You know, we we we you talk
Speaker 1: about the bit, I do so so much like everything
Speaker 1: we've talked about, it's based in reality. Now. I do
Speaker 1: play things up on the show. There were recurring jokes.
Speaker 1: If the Golden Globes comes up, I go into you know,
Speaker 1: and one time Joe coy tild this horrible meme joke
Speaker 1: about Taylor Swift and I play that it's just a bit,
Speaker 1: and the audience I think knows where I'm heading for
Speaker 1: the bit, and then sometimes I go but we don't
Speaker 1: have time for that right now, and I don't turn
Speaker 1: a bit, which is differently funny, I hope.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So if somebody were playing Riod in twenty six, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know I do. Oh and you know Joe schmol
Speaker 1: is playing the Odd Comedy Festal, I'd probably continue to
Speaker 1: do my little side dig. But now, as I'm talking,
Speaker 1: as I think, if Riod reaches out to me in
Speaker 1: twenty six and says, hey, you know you want to
Speaker 1: come and stay at the hotel and we'll we'll get
Speaker 1: your backstage and get tim it's with you know whatever
Speaker 1: comedians are playing it, boy, that that's you know, Mike,
Speaker 1: that's a really interesting question. Do I go for all
Speaker 1: the content now? Honestly because of being really now I'm
Speaker 1: really talking, because of the stuff I've said in the podcast,
Speaker 1: I probably i'd probably be actually afraid to go. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's so you know what, I'm going to just tide
Speaker 1: out here in the basement and not go get ten
Speaker 1: minutes with Dave Chappelle. So so these are all these
Speaker 1: are all difficult conversations to have, But I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody's done damage to their career.
Speaker 3: I don't think they have either.
Speaker 2: And in fact, I think some of the controversy I
Speaker 2: think is even manufactured a little bit and amplified in
Speaker 2: ways that you know, isn't isn't isn't real. I think
Speaker 2: that's one of the things that I love about Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 2: You know, this wasn't an a special but but after
Speaker 2: he was quote unquote canceled, you know, he went to
Speaker 2: a full areada and looked around and said, am I canceled?
Speaker 2: Like the idea of perception and reality and and and
Speaker 2: how far away from each other they can be. Sometimes
Speaker 2: I thought back to, like I remember in ninety one
Speaker 2: when Metallica played Moscow, and I remember the feeling of
Speaker 2: you know, obviously, in ninety one, the communication, you know,
Speaker 2: was was drastically different than it is now. All we
Speaker 2: got was what we saw in the newspapers or saw
Speaker 2: in the news or saw on CNN. The internet was
Speaker 2: in its infancy and and and and and so communication
Speaker 2: was a lot slower. But I think back to when
Speaker 2: Metallica played there, and and the feeling of Okay, so
Speaker 2: now we have connection. We have connection with this thing
Speaker 2: that I grew up fearing. I grew up fearing Russia
Speaker 2: and everything about in the Cold War and all that,
Speaker 2: and then suddenly you have, you know, the most badass
Speaker 2: rock and roll band on our side, going and playing
Speaker 2: in front of I forget how many people, hundred thousd people, hudred,
Speaker 2: twenty thousand people, whatever it was. And I remember that
Speaker 2: feeling and it was like, Oh, that's cool because it's connection,
Speaker 2: and it's it's it's patriotism too.
Speaker 3: You know, they're embracing our ways. This is what we want,
Speaker 3: rah rah.
Speaker 2: But it was also this feeling of connection. It was
Speaker 2: it was it was a cool feeling. And I look
Speaker 2: back and look at now this generation who's in the
Speaker 2: you know, in the eighteen to twenty five demo or
Speaker 2: eighteen to thirty five demo, and how they react to
Speaker 2: something that could be viewed as similar. You know, you've
Speaker 2: got Americana. I mean, America's what I would consider probably
Speaker 2: premiere homegrown art form, and it's going to the other
Speaker 2: side of the world to talk to places that are
Speaker 2: slower into discovering some of the truths that we have discovered.
Speaker 2: To me, that's an instacol unless like when you come
Speaker 2: back and you start saying, oh, but I'm gonna take
Speaker 2: it and donate it to this and I'm gonna do that,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna and now I'm dancing on the hot
Speaker 2: seat because of this. To me, it's like, no, go there,
Speaker 2: do your art and and and and shine your light
Speaker 2: because it'll help make the world a little bit less
Speaker 2: dark to me is the argument for.
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 2: But that's also because I got Metallica in my head
Speaker 2: from all those years ago, and perhaps that's where that
Speaker 2: perspective comes from.
Speaker 1: And you have to separate the audience from whatever might
Speaker 1: bother you about a particular government. I mean, I can
Speaker 1: tell you in the last ten years, I travel and
Speaker 1: I tell people the country I'm from, and I don't
Speaker 1: get the reaction I used to get, and you know,
Speaker 1: I wind up saying things that we're not all like that,
Speaker 1: and you know, the days of it, I'm from America
Speaker 1: and people in other countries going, oh cool, that's not
Speaker 1: a right right now. But please don't boycat my podcast
Speaker 1: because you know I openly don't support fascism. Right I
Speaker 1: go get the scrubs DVDs. I walk up, So for
Speaker 1: your audience. When when when they took Kimmel off the air,
Speaker 1: I went into a bit about don't think I'm in
Speaker 1: the basement just pushing that green button. On my Roku
Speaker 1: and watching Scrubs on Hulu. I go upstairs and I
Speaker 1: get the DVDs out of the closet. I'm a man
Speaker 1: of integrity, and I walk three flights of stairs and
Speaker 1: load the DVDs to the PlayStation five. I don't just
Speaker 1: push that green button. I do not support fascism, because
Speaker 1: you gotta have the courage of your convictions. Mike, he's
Speaker 1: my Chisholm. He hosts The Letterman Podcast. Check it out
Speaker 1: wherever you get your shows. If you want to see
Speaker 1: how boring it is to watch me talking to microphone.
Speaker 1: There's a video version of the Letterman Podcast. I'm the
Speaker 1: guest on a few episodes, including one recently where we
Speaker 1: talked about the all time a late night host. So
Speaker 1: you can check out the Letterman Podcast wherever you get
Speaker 1: your shows. Meets you back here tomorrow.